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Catgirls
2006-01-03, 00:02
Welcome to this week's Episode discussion thread!
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Poll
The poll is fairly self explanatory, but just in case:
(*) = Heinous, (**) = Below Average, (***) = Average, (****) = Above Average, (*****) = Outstanding!
I'm more interested in who is the daring fellow that can give our Shizuru onee-san a bad hair day. A hell lots of speculation but no conclusion, yet.
And also, I think it's time for the story to take a darker turn.
Akuma-sama
2006-01-03, 01:39
Arika is really a hermaphrodite.
Eh, I hope not :heh:
Something people seem to not have noticed from the (important scenes of the) previews;
We have:
Arika in robes, protecting a downed Kazuya from an incoming attack
Akane in her robes, flying with a "If you see this face, you're fuked" look on her face, with in the back, Arika in her work clothes, Shizuru in her Meister dress and Kazuya.
Shizuru in her Meister Robes with her hair getting damaged (the fact that we don't see a projectile means whatever did it is fast, most likely a bullet of some kind).
When you consider this, the only way it makes sense is if Akane goes flying first, and then we have either Shizuru's Split Ends from Hell or Arika VS the Big Flying Anvil.
So, any guesses as to what it is? Since it makes Akane react the way she does (and doesn't immediately threaten Kazuya, apparently), it's probably a Slave, most likely Shwartz (as Aswald would have no reason to be so close to Guarder---
Hey, wait a sec, it's not even Guarderobe! Look in the back of Akane's flying shot, Guarderobe dosn't have a cliff like that :twitch:
Some kind of Pearl-graduating tournament or something? That would explain why Shizuru and Arika aren't at her sides to help out...
USCPharmacist
2006-01-03, 02:12
And if you notice the building has two stars on it, one red and one blue, I wonder what's the significant of that? BTW is it possible that the preview is shown out of sequence, that some scenes actaully happened after the proceeding scene? That would make predicting the events even more impossible.
I have a feeling that Akane won't die though, I think something happen to Kazu kun instead (just like what happened in Mai Hime). That's why you see a bitter meister Akane at the last scene. And I think a bitter Akane will spell trouble later on as we all know emo characters are bad news :).
As to who hurt Shizuru's hair, maybe Sunrise is throwing a curve ball this time. What if it is a new character that does that? Someone must be really strong to cause a surprise looks on Shizuru's face like that. I don't think it is Akane because she would be kicked out of school and not be a meister otome at the end. I don't think is Natsuki because there is no reason for her to attack Shizuru. If Natsuki wants Shizuru to do something all she needs is to yell, Shizuru, thunderbolk attack NOW!!! eheheh. What if one of the Pillar appear and due to some differences in opinion, fire a warning shot at Shizuru. For example, Shizuru wants to help Akane to do something that other Otomes will be flawned on. Then again maybe Natsuki is practicing her gun and Shizuru just happen to experience her excellence skill first hand while standing behide Natsuki ehehe
Anyway, what I want to know is why Nina wear a pair of glasses in the preview, it makes her looks like an old maid.
BTW is it possible that the preview is shown out of sequence, that some scenes actaully happened after the proceeding scene? That would make predicting the events even more impossible.
Yeah.....they tend to do that.....seeing how long the time span is I wouldn't be surprised if they cut out some of the scenes completly (like they did in ep3):(
I have a feeling that Akane won't die though, I think something happen to Kazu kun instead (just like what happened in Mai Hime). That's why you see a bitter meister Akane at the last scene. And I think a bitter Akane will spell trouble later on as we all know emo characters are bad news .
If Kuzu-kun dies and Akane is a Master then she will die also.........it could be that's not the last scene.......actualy Akane's clothes don't seem to be those of a maester more like a pearl robe.
As to who hurt Shizuru's hair, maybe Sunrise is throwing a curve ball this time. What if it is a new character that does that?
All my bets are on Mai. :cool:
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-03, 04:12
If Kuzu-kun dies and Akane is a Master then she will die also.........it could be that's not the last scene.......actualy Akane's clothes don't seem to be those of a maester more like a pearl robe.
Since Akane is from a rival nation to Kazu, something REALLY crazy must happen for her to become his Otome. Anyway, she wants to be his lover, not Otome. Regardless, insane things are afoot.
All my bets are on Mai.
I have a feeling you will lose your bet, though...
Why? Because if it was Mai, Shizuru's hair would be burning.;)
Kazu's Otome = No sex, no fun...
Kazu's lover = Sex, wasting of Mr. and Mrs. Soir's money...
Why? Because if it was Mai, Shizuru's hair would be burning.;)
Haha.. good point. That is, if Shizuru had a head afterwards.. ;)
Seems this is going to be an interesting episode.. damn, its only Tuesday.. and my holiday ends on Thursday damn it. Won't give me enough time to catch the raw before going back to work. :(
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-03, 04:41
Kazu's Otome = No sex, no fun...
Kazu's lover = Sex, wasting of Mr. and Mrs. Soir's money...
That depends. If only Kazu was from their own country rather than from a rival nation, there are plenty of Otome parents who won't mind their daughter take advantage of her Otome status in order to grab a husband in a more prestigious social circle. An Otome is ranked with royalty and aristocrats, and it won't be the first time ambitious families use their daughters this way.
On that note, Miya Clochette, Tomoe's minion, was sent to Gardrobe specifically for the above purpose. (official website said so.)
In fact, since Gardrobe just happens to be possibly the single most respected school a girl can possibly attend in their world, those who can afford it (including royalty) would likely send their daughter to the school purely for educational purposes rather than making a soldier out of her.
(Sergay's nation is a little different though... They are a little desperate for Otomes, and might not be willing to lose graduates just because the girls want to have a family.)
That depends. If only Kazu was from their own country rather than from a rival nation, there are plenty of Otome parents who won't mind their daughter take advantage of her Otome status in order to grab a husband in a more prestigious social circle. An Otome is ranked with royalty and aristocrats, and it won't be the first time ambitious families use their daughters this way.
On that note, Miya Clochette, Tomoe's minion, was sent to Gardrobe specifically for the above purpose. (official website said so.)
In fact, since Gardrobe just happens to be possibly the single most respected school a girl can possibly attend in their world, those who can afford it (including royalty) would likely send their daughter to the school purely for educational purposes rather than making a soldier out of her.
(Sergay's nation is a little different though... They are a little desperate for Otomes, and might not be willing to lose graduates just because the girls want to have a family.)
One note: Gardrobe really isn't a school to create soldiers. All they do by graduating is signing and invisible contract agreeing that if their country goes to war, they can be conscripted as a special kind of soldier. The school doesn't turn them into a soldier, it turns them into mainly a bodyguard. A bodyguard with very valuable skills on the battle field. Therefore, a country just implements the standard method of conscription. We know full well who the soldiers are in the Otome world, since we have already seen a military base, and the standard military of Wind Bloom. The Otomes are not part of them. More a group of people that can be forced to go to war if things start going bad. Even if that wasn't enough, it would be very inefficent to run a 'school' that is supposed to churn out soldiers, and run it the way Gardrobe is.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-03, 05:04
One note: Gardrobe really isn't a school for soldiers. All they do by graduating is signing and invisible contract agreeing that if their country goes to war, they can be conscripted as a special kind of soldier. The school doesn't turn them into a soldier, it turns them into mainly a bodyguard. A bodyguard with very valuable skills on the battle field. Therefore, a country just implements the standard method of conscription. We know full well who the soldiers are in the Otome world, since we have already seen a military base, and the standard military of Wind Bloom. The Otomes are not part of them. More a group of people that can be forced to go to war if things start going bad.
We also know from conversations, that Otomes are the only military force that matters (outside of other nanomachine weapons like Slaves and whatever Aswarld uses, of course). Standard troops don't actually count should real war break out.
As for what does Otomes do when they become Meisters?
Well, that's actually quite a big info gap there. We don't yet know how many Meisters graduate a year, and how would they receive their Master? (by choice? or government-controlled?)
We don't even know how the Meister GEMs are produced... Do each Meister get a GEM unique to her, or do they get passed down from past Otomes? (This is important, as this determines how may Otomes can there be with their present technology level.)
We know, at least, that in Arika's case her GEM was inherited. However since Mai was named by her GEM, I do believe it is very likely most GEMs are unique to each person in a personal way. We don't know if a GEM can survive the death of the Otome, or if GEMs can only be inherited by another if the original owner retires alive...
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Either way, other than what would likely be a sad day for Akane, the episode coming up would almost certainly be informative to us. We will finally see how a normal Meister get her GEM, and likely the Master selection process. (Arika is outside the system, it seems...:heh: )
We also know from conversations, that Otomes are the only military force that matters (outside of other nanomachine weapons like Slaves and whatever Aswarld uses, of course). Standard troops don't actually count should real war break out.
They count as much as real troops would in the real world should a nuclear war break out. Countries are carefully with their Otomes, as careful as countries in the real world are with their WMDs. A balance is found and maintained, should Otomes be brought into a war, it will step it up all those many levels, just as bringing WMDs in a war would step that up a good many notches. I'm sure the Otome world hasn't been in permanant peace since the last Otome war, just Otomes did not take part. Human nature assures that there will be at least one moderately sized conflict going on somewhere in the world.
Standard troops still count, most certainly. Was infantry thrown out when fighter jets, military helicopters, tanks, biological or nuclear weapons were invented? No, they most certinely were not. Why? They are easy to train, cheap enough to equip and in ready supply. That is why man invented the AA and AP rocket launchers. All that must be done now in the Otome world is for an AO weapon to be invented. With the other groups that have been brought into play, I'm sure one of them will find a way to exploit one weakness of an Otome (no, not necessarily- ). Suddenly bringing conventional infantry back into the picture. Sure, it might take a huge amount of fatalities to bring down the average Otome with one of these weapons, but it balances. There are far more infantry than there are Otomes.
It might also be in the best interest of a conflict to keep Otomes out of conflicts. And Otome isn't much use if you want instantly useable land, they bomb the hell out of it and all you get is some charred ground, corpses and ruins. Not much good if you are going in pursuit of new land.
Of course, this all depends on the path Sunrise wants to take the series. Otomes are the main part, so Sunrise will probably stick to just them should a war break out, and we wont see much of the military. Its just that infantry could be made to make a difference, however improbable it is.
However, this doesn't answer the question of Otomes being trained soldiers or not. I strongly believe they are not, and can support my argument.
Tempest35
2006-01-03, 06:23
Well, how about this: The Otome are not trained with the intent of being soldiers, they are just viewed that way by everyone else outside of Guaderobe and a few individuals (ie. Sergey and others). It's sad that the first thing people think of when it comes to power is how well you can fight with it or something along those lines.
As for Akane, she's being 'recruited' (for lack of a better term at 6 AM @_@) by a rival nation from Kazuya's right? I think that alone would depress her enough. He might get someone else to be his Otome and she'd have to fight her. Being as skilled as she is, she stands a good chance of knocking off anyone other than a previous Meister in terms of battle. Kinda like the Mai/Shiho fight in MH, and the circumstances surrounding that fight was just....ugh, bad. ^^;;;
Same wild conversation, different thread. Sheesh can't we get PAST this Otome military stuff and move on?? :eyebrow:
Obsidian penguin
2006-01-03, 08:27
Akane is from Florins (SP?) and the last image of the preview has her in a Florins (Meister ?) uniform.
Kazu-kun is from Caldea (SP?).
In the episode 8, when Miss Maria comments on the past war, the two conflicting nations we see sending their Otomes to the battle are Florins and Caldea.
Is it to say that Akane and Kazu's love was doomed from the start ?
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-03, 09:07
Is it to say that Akane and Kazu's love was doomed from the start ?
Well, the love they had for each other isn't doomed to anything, as they love each other very much (unless Kazu-kun is an evil spy sent to "disable" an Otome of his nation's enemy, but I doubt Sunrise is going there.).
What is doomed is themselves. Akane will never get a break, it seems.
Anyway, it will depend on if Akane will get a master of her home country to serve against kazu or not. The spoilers have said Akane will become a Meister this episode, but we don't know if that means she would get her master or even her GEM this episode.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-03, 09:16
If you're going to try and derive anything from the previews, its important to look at the pictures themselves, and totally ignore the sequence. In fact, looking at the sequence is more detremental than helpful. Just go back and watch previews for Mai Hime, or the previous episodes of Otome. Sunrise's previews are quite unhelpful for anything more than rampant speculation.
Speaking of which, my money is on Akane attacking Shizuru. Why else would she have such a shocked expression? Shizuru doesn't get shocked by enemies attacks, not even if they're much more powerful than she expects (see Midori). The only thing that could cause such shock, IMHO, is betrayal.
If you're going to try and derive anything from the previews, its important to look at the pictures themselves, and totally ignore the sequence. In fact, looking at the sequence is more detremental than helpful. Just go back and watch previews for Mai Hime, or the previous episodes of Otome. Sunrise's previews are quite unhelpful for anything more than rampant speculation.
Speaking of which, my money is on Akane attacking Shizuru. Why else would she have such a shocked expression? Shizuru doesn't get shocked by enemies attacks, not even if they're much more powerful than she expects (see Midori). The only thing that could cause such shock, IMHO, is betrayal.
Yeah, I agree with you...That was what I first thought when seeing shizuru shock expression (Getting her hair shot by something). A high chance of betrayal by akane. Like what you have said, shizuru seldom show her shock or expression even going into hand to hand combat with a strong/stronger enemy. These are things she least expected because Akane always admire and envy shizuru and even called her "Onee Chan". It is like a loyal pawn turning on its master.
If we wanna relate this a little, GSD has one scene like this...at episode 50. Rey who shot Dullandil was the least expected event that would happen. Even after getting shot the dying Dullandil asked if Captain Glayds was the person who shot him. To which she answer that Rey was responsible for doing this and there was a moment of shock in his eyes. So I would bet too on akane attacking Shizuru as something she would least expect.
Speaking of which, my money is on Akane attacking Shizuru.
Very unlikly since :
1. Sunrise wants us to think that
2. When Akane is charging Sizuru is in the background with Arika and Kuzu so she's defenetly after something else.
PastPrime
2006-01-03, 14:03
Very unlikly since :
1. Sunrise wants us to think that
2. When Akane is charging Sizuru is in the background with Arika and Kuzu so she's defenetly after something else.
Perhaps Akane just got taken out and the shot continued on thru Shizuru's hair, or she just witnessed Arika do a second transformation and it was a deflected shot.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-03, 14:44
Not exactly related to Ep 13 stuff but since the earlier Episode threads are gone i am not sure where to put this.
This is form Watching the SS version of Episode 8:
At the beginning of the Ep when Natuski was discussing Arika and her contract with Shizuru and Shizuru ask if Natuski wants her to null the contract.
If the translations are correct there are ways to nullfiy a contract and it seems only people at the school knows about it.
Just something intresting I thought people might be intrested in knowing.
Anime Adoru
2006-01-03, 15:10
Not exactly related to Ep 13 stuff but since the earlier Episode threads are gone i am not sure where to put this.
This is form Watching the SS version of Episode 8:
At the beginning of the Ep when Natuski was discussing the Arika and her contract with Shizuru and Shizuru ask if Natuski wants her to null the contract.
If the translations are correct there are ways to nullfiy a contract and it seems only people at the school knows about it.
Just something intresting I thought people might be intrested in knowing.
I think that is correct. Miyu points towards the school and says only "it" can take care of it. However, it hasn't happened (yet), has it?
There is a related issue: Do we know where the earpieces are? Where they put back into the gem?
Tempest35
2006-01-03, 15:16
We haven't seen the Blue Jewel of Heaven in a while (since that ep really) so there's no way we can tell. They didn't even show it in ep 10 where Arika was 'naked'. If they did, I missed it. ^^;
Perhaps Akane just got taken out and the shot continued on thru Shizuru's hair, or she just witnessed Arika do a second transformation and it was a deflected shot.
yes, it could be Arika
Things get rough, Arika wants to help, she materialises her Meister robe somehow without her Master and uses her element in a wrong way...damaging Shizuru's hair.
Shizuru: 'Impossible'
Arika" "Shippai, shippai hehe'
....
scary...
;)
Xellos-_^
2006-01-03, 17:11
yes, it could be Arika
Things get rough, Arika wants to help, she materialises her Meister robe somehow without her Master and uses her element in a wrong way...damaging Shizuru's hair.
Shizuru: 'Impossible'
Arika" "Shippai, shippai hehe'
....
scary...
;)
I can actually see Arika doing this.
Enemy fires a shot at her friends
Arika steps in fornt materialze her meister robe
Defelcts shot.
Deflect shot destory city
So, Maria wasted her entire life...
I can actually see Arika doing this.
Enemy fires a shot at her friends
Arika steps in fornt materialze her meister robe
Defelcts shot.
Deflect shot destory city
yeah I agree, arika's that much of a scatterbrain.
Arika: Ah Shizuru nee-sama i'll save you! Materialize~!
Shizuru: impossible
Arika:KYAAA!
(deflects shot hits shizuru's hair and then blows up windbloom)
Natsuki:.....:twitch:
Arika: Oh...my bad:p
yeah I agree, arika's that much of a scatterbrain.
Arika: Ah Shizuru nee-sama i'll save you! Materialize~!
Shizuru: impossible
Arika:KYAAA!
(deflects shot hits shizuru's hair and then blows up windbloom)
Natsuki:.....:twitch:
Arika: Oh...my bad:p
Hilarious. This should happen. But sadly, nothing that bad will ever come of Arika's actions. Her position in the school is reinforced.
yeah I agree, arika's that much of a scatterbrain.
Arika: Ah Shizuru nee-sama i'll save you! Materialize~!
Shizuru: impossible
Arika:KYAAA!
(deflects shot hits shizuru's hair and then blows up windbloom)
Natsuki:.....:twitch:
Arika: Oh...my bad:p
LMAO!! :heh:
Hilarious. This should happen. But sadly, nothing that bad will ever come of Arika's actions. Her position in the school is reinforced.
yeah the irony of it all
As for Shizuru's bad hair day, like people said, it looks like it can only be made with a bullet. And someone who has a bullet might be John Smith? :confused: I can't wait.
As for Shizuru's bad hair day, like people said, it looks like it can only be made with a bullet. And someone who has a bullet might be John Smith? :confused: I can't wait.
John Smith is too good of a shot to have missed Shizuru...
If he was able to hit the strap connecting the container to Midori's hip (WITHOUT WOUNDING HER!), then he would've hit Shizuru.
Can an Otome even deflect a bullet without using their weapons?
EnseiSong
2006-01-03, 21:59
I got a question. Since I haven't got a chance to download the episode to watch it. But I remember there was one picture with Akane dressed in the clothes samliar to what Shizuru is wearing... was that picture PS in 2chan or was it in the preview?
I got a question. Since I haven't got a chance to download the episode to watch it. But I remember there was one picture with Akane dressed in the clothes samliar to what Shizuru is wearing... was that picture PS in 2chan or was it in the preview?
It's from the preview. It seems she's going to be graduating into a Meister.
MattAlchemy
2006-01-03, 22:44
At least we're mostly sure Akane wouldn't do that to Shizuru. Why must "it" kill Shizuru's hair, she's my favorite character... kill Tomoe's hair instead. One sides longer than the other. :heh:
When can we expect the raws to pop up btw, I forgot when it was supposed to be aired?
Catgirls
2006-01-03, 22:49
When can we expect the raws to pop up btw, I forgot when it was supposed to be aired?It airs Friday 1:30AM (TV Tokyo)...which, if I remember, is around 11:30 AM - EST (Thursday). Showtime and a link to convert for your timezone are in the My Otome FAQ Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26284) (bottom of first post).
Another handy showtime page is Mahou's: http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/
lone_wolf
2006-01-03, 22:57
It airs Friday 1:30AM (TV Tokyo)...which, if I remember, is around 11:30 AM - EST (Thursday). Showtime and a link to convert for your timezone are in the My Otome FAQ Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26284) (bottom of first post).
Another handy showtime page is Mahou's: http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/
Actually a month ago they moved it an hour which is now 2:30am. Not sure what the exact reasoning was though...I believe it may have been to accomodate another show.
--Lone Wolf
Catgirls
2006-01-03, 23:01
Actually a month ago they moved it an hour which is now 2:30am. Not sure what the exact reasoning was though...I believe it may have been to accomodate another show.Excellent. Thank you for the updated information. :)
lone_wolf
2006-01-03, 23:05
Excellent. Thank you for the updated information. :)
No prob.:)
--Lone Wolf
As for Shizuru's bad hair day, like people said, it looks like it can only be made with a bullet. And someone who has a bullet might be John Smith? I can't wait.
It’s funny that most of the anticipation is over who has messed with Shizuru’s hair and not concern over Akane/Kazuya kicking the bucket. Have we strange priorities!?
Nah I can see why, a shocked Shizuru is quite an occasion.
It's from the preview. It seems she's going to be graduating into a Meister.
I bet it's a bleedin dream sequence, of what Akane could have achieved....had she lived.
:)
The 'light' does remind me of that though.
When can we expect the raws to pop up btw, I forgot when it was supposed to be aired?
The raw for the last episode came out quite a bit earlier than the ones before (but I'm not sure on the precise times because of the hour differences...)
When can we expect the raws to pop up btw, I forgot when it was supposed to be aired?
The raw pops up around 3PM EST...
I get a TL-worthy raw around 3:30PM, encode-worthy after 6PM
I up RAW Scans: As the RAW airs.
I up a RAW Teaser that I make: 4PM-6PM
MattAlchemy
2006-01-04, 01:00
Shizuru was probably not prepared yet. Like I heard before(Can never happen but would be funny) "Natsuki says"Die Shizuru!" *Shoots with MH guns* That would be funny.:heh:
It's from the preview. It seems she's going to be graduating into a Meister.
What an irony that would be if she wanted to be a Meister for Windbloom, tried to make a contract with Mashiro and realized that it wasn't possible. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/heh.gif
That would spin an interesting twist...
What an irony that would be if she wanted to be a Meister for Windbloom, tried to make a contract with Mashiro and realized that it wasn't possible. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/heh.gif
That would spin an interesting twist...
That would suck... Plus, it could make Akane go ape shit...
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-04, 04:11
That would suck... Plus, it could make Akane go ape-shit...
There is 50/50 chance Akane is going to become clinically insane regardless, so that won't change the odds much. The other 50% is that she would be sparkled and have her own crystal headstone at the Otome Crypt, or be 6-feet under if she died without powers.
If the Mai-franchise expands in the future, Akane may become like Kenny from SouthPark. People will wonder what wonderfully painful way to suffer is in store for her in each new series...:heh:
There is 50/50 chance Akane is going to become clinically insane regardless, so that's won't change the odds much. The other 50% is that she would be sparkled and have her own crystal headstone at the Otome Crypt, or be 6-feet under if she died without powers.
If the Mai-franchise expands in the future, Akane may become like Kenny from SouthPark. People will wonder what wonderfully painful way to suffer is in store for her in each new series...:heh:
I wonder what would happen if Akane was a narcisist... Would she be her own Most Important Person?
Tempest35
2006-01-04, 15:30
As long as they don't make her fat, I'll live.
I wonder how many ways they can mess up these girls' lives if they keep on doing multiple series... I have only one request - Keep Sergey!
PuRpLe CryStaL
2006-01-05, 00:37
Perhaps there could be a twist for Akane this time round? Instead of Akane becoming insane after knowing something terrible has happened to Kazu, she will become revengeful (in this series) & hated Garderobe to the core. Thereafter in the later part of the series, she will participate in the war representing Florence to fight against Windbloom. This is just one possibility because if Akane is truly the one who attacked Shizuru & damaged her hair, then she can be someone who is highly destructive when her loved ones are hurt before her eyes.
nobody damages shizuru's hair and gets away with it.
there is always a price, and this time its death.
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 01:03
Okay...the first one to get that 2chan Ep. #13 synopsis thread link up tomorrow wins a prize.
MattAlchemy
2006-01-05, 02:19
Okay...the first one to get that 2chan Ep. #13 synopsis thread link up tomorrow wins a prize.
What's 2chan by the way?:D
What's 2chan by the way?:D
It's this Japanese image board thing that usually has ecchi material. :uhoh:
Okay...the first one to get that 2chan Ep. #13 synopsis thread link up tomorrow wins a prize.
Ehh?? You mean the this one
Otome 13 Discussion Pt 1: http://live22x.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/livetx/1136359340/
That's the thread where the pictures and discussion will be posted as the ep airs...
MattAlchemy
2006-01-05, 02:53
It's this Japanese image board thing that usually has ecchi material. :uhoh:
Ah, thanks. I'm not going to really understand the link that Starks gave. Maybe I will never understand what it will mostly be about.:heh:
Ah, thanks. I'm not going to really understand the link that Starks gave. Maybe I will never understand what it will mostly be about.:heh:
You're in good company... I barely understand it. I have to use a Firefox extension called Rikaichan to do translations as I highlight.
2ch is like Playboy... I only like it for the images.
Maybe Catgirls means http://www.2chan.net, and this is known as "futaba channel" in Japan.
If one says "2ch" or "ni chan" or "ni channel", it usually means http://www.2ch.net.
In this case I think that the first one to get the Ep. #13 synopsis thread link in "futaba channel(http://www.2chan.net)" wins a prize.
"Otome 13 play-by-play" coming up in a few minutes!
"Otome 13 play-by-play" coming up in a few minutes!
This is BAD when I squeal out loud at work....OMFG...HURRYYYYYY!!:)
The opening's still the same this week, so I guess the new one'll have to be next week then......
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 11:38
*wags his tentalces like a eager puppy
Hurry hurry hurry
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2076827.htm
DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK ANYMORE! IT'LL EXPIRE SOON.
The other one : http://nov.2chan.net/24/res/120856.htm
Tremalkinger
2006-01-05, 11:47
What are the chances this is Tate, instead of Sergey? Augh, must watch episode.
Mai & Tate 1 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1136479196095eb0b.jpg)
Mai & Tate 2 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/11364792057993aeb.jpg)
Edit: I fail at links. Fixed.
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-05, 11:53
Woah. I'm going to have to take back everything I said about Tate and Sergey being the same person.
Mai & Tate 1 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1136479196095eb0b.jpg)
Mai & Tate 2 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/11364792057993aeb.jpg)
Edit: I fail at links. Fixed.
I don't see how that proves anything...
btw, probably a good idea to copy the images since 2chan ones will fail after a while (or turn into porn).
Talking of Sergay, Arika only has to worry about him when she's in danger and alone. With Shizuru, she has to worry in broad daylight in public! :D
http://tinypic.com/jr6y6g
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 11:56
What are the chances this is Tate, instead of Sergey? Augh, must watch episode.
Mai & Tate 1 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1136479196095eb0b.jpg)
Mai & Tate 2 (http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/11364792057993aeb.jpg)
Edit: I fail at links. Fixed.
*must kill Tate
*forms KKT club (Kill Kill Tate)
That does look like Mai and probably is her as you can see on the bottom of the page it said legend of the Fire Stiring Ruby
Not enough to tell if that is Tate or Sergy on the rest.
I don't see how that proves anything...
btw, probably a good idea to copy the images since 2chan ones will fail after a while (or turn into porn).
Talking of Sergay, Arika only has to worry about him when she's in danger and alone. With Shizuru, she has to worry in broad daylight in public! :D
http://tinypic.com/jr6y6g
RFOL @ Shizuru....that particular still frame though....is so odd. Re: positioning of shizuru's arm...like she's double jointed.
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-05, 12:03
Hmm. Looks like right at the end of the ep, something really bad happens. (unrelated to Kazu/Akane).
Poll is closed, I see. :p I'm giving this a 5... Can I give it a 6 for moving both plot and story along instead? Akane and Shizuru... Bliss. I have to get this episode on DVD now. The meister binding ceremony is so much like a wedding, though, that it's scary...
The seiyuu cast in Mai-HiME reprised their role voices for their same characters now reused in Mai-Otome.
However, the first exception happened among Tate & Sergey.
Tate was voiced by Tomokazu Seki while Sergey is voiced by Katsuyuki Konishi.
Although I could assume that Sergey's character design is a spin-off from Tate's, his integral personality is whole different from Tate's.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 12:07
That was cheesey :D They did the graduate thing :p
Can't blame Akane through, her new master is ugly :mad: ewww
PuRpLe CryStaL
2006-01-05, 12:07
So indeed Akane was asked to form a contract during her Graduation and Kazu appeared to stop her from doing it
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/BuBBLeStaRz/My%20HiME/Akane.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/BuBBLeStaRz/My%20HiME/Kazu.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/BuBBLeStaRz/My%20HiME/Kazu1.jpg
The picture [http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/BuBBLeStaRz/My%20HiME/Blast.jpg] reminds me of what has happened in Mai HiME Episode 13 when Alyssa's Child send a warning blast targetted at the bridge. But since it appears in Mai ZHiME once again, could this be the result from the data that Shibarasu is holding on to it? Interesting :uhoh:
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-05, 12:12
Minor warning - From next ep preview:
http://tinypic.com/jr75uc
Maybe Tomoe's saying something like "The episode title could fit on your forehead"...
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 12:13
The picture [http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/BuBBLeStaRz/My%20HiME/Blast.jpg] reminds me of what has happened in Mai HiME Episode 13 when Alyssa's Child send a warning blast targetted at the bridge. But since it appears in Mai ZHiME once again, could this be the result from the data that Shibarasu is holding on to it? Interesting :uhoh:
Considering it is a shot form something in the sky, anyone wanna bet it has somethig to do witht he Blue Star :eyebrow:
Edit: i don't conser that a spoiler since i belieeved that is form the preview for Ep14.
coefficientX
2006-01-05, 12:13
Wow madame maria looks sooooo much more better in this meister clothing than her nun dress.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7262/113647989052804cd7hj.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113647989052804cd7hj.jpg)
And why is Tomoe blushing?!?! Some unwanted confession? :uhoh:
I wanna know whhhhhy!
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/663/1136479560589c1cb9ys.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1136479560589c1cb9ys.jpg)
*dancing around ShizNat campfire*
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9417/1136480117454162c4mu.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1136480117454162c4mu.jpg)
Somehow this pic looks funny...:heh:
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6417/11364803096427d8e5uu.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364803096427d8e5uu.jpg)
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 12:18
Wow madame maria looks sooooo much more better in this meister clothing than her nun dress.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7262/113647989052804cd7hj.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113647989052804cd7hj.jpg)
So coefficient likes older women :p
And why is Tomoe blushing?!?! Some unwanted confession? :uhoh:
I wanna know whhhhhy!
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/663/1136479560589c1cb9ys.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1136479560589c1cb9ys.jpg)
I believed that has to do with Shizuru drapping herslef all over Arika :naughty:
Somehow this pic looks funny...:heh:
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6417/11364803096427d8e5uu.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364803096427d8e5uu.jpg)
Now wheres Tomeo's other hand :eyebrow:
That was cheesey :D They did the graduate thing :p
Can't blame Akane through, her new master is ugly :mad: ewww He looked and sounded like he was almost drooling at the thought of having a pretty girl like Akane as his otome. Ugh. Nasty.
The only odd bit was how Akane flew off after her fight with the slave (and deciding to be an otome), and Kazu looking like he accepted the decision. And then he interrupts the ceremony at the end! And she goes off with him without any hesitation... Missed the decision-making...
coefficientX
2006-01-05, 12:22
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7262/113647989052804cd7hj.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113647989052804cd7hj.jpg)
So coefficient likes older women :p
You almost made me choke on my chocolate muffin. :bash:
And i am faithful to my Shizuru-oneesama only!!! :love:
I believed that has to do with Shizuru drapping herslef all over Arika :naughty:
And we ShizNat fans, lets slap Xellos upside down! :heh:
Natsuki in her official uniform
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6665/uniform6mm.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uniform6mm.jpg)
MASSIVE MULT-IMAGE SPOILERS!
IMAGE SPOILERS!
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480293948.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480245888.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480191947.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480087071.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480055061.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480015172.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479933333.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479883961.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479851323.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479777041.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479615319.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479569021.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479539196.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479455119.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136479417762.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480545023.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480539202.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480512651.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480481233.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/1136480446206.jpg
I believed that has to do with Shizuru drapping herslef all over Arika :naughty: LOL. She was trying to confess to Shizuru before she left, and no, I don't know for what or whom. :) I'm too tired *cough* lazy *cough* to go rewind and listen now also. :D
And would rather go look at Arika blushing like crazy around Sergey anyway. Nina wearing glasses is cute, though, especially after she got tickled by Arika.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-05, 12:51
MASSIVE MULT-IMAGE SPOILERS!
Many thanks :D
Much obliged to the uploads all - now...we collectively demand a translation of what's goin' on! :p Esp., what's up with the whole Shizuru-hole-in-the-hair thingy? And the Mai story-book-thingy?
Wow, a raw has already appeared...
mintyfresh
2006-01-05, 13:03
Somehow this pic looks funny...:heh:
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6417/11364803096427d8e5uu.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364803096427d8e5uu.jpg)
hot.
I can't wait for one of those two to finally lose it and pull a Kaede.
Nina gets angsty with the glasses...
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/bscap0103.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/bscap0102.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/LLStarks/Otome13/bscap0104.jpg
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-05, 13:21
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6417/11364803096427d8e5uu.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364803096427d8e5uu.jpg)
Won't it be ironic, if Sunrise pushed the Shoujo-ai angle as far as it gets, explores all angles, and showed an abusive relationship?
I always wondered why Miya took all that physical and mental abuse yet never complained, or betrayed her... Perhaps Tomoe knows Miya is in love with her, so she took advantage of that fact by treating her like a puppet-on-a-string?
Any kind of relationship between two people, regardless of their respective genders, can go wrong in any hundreds of ways. (Mind you, this theory is based on only a single photo, and would likely be debunked the second the subs come out.)
EDIT: Just as an added note, it's because Akane's relationship with "Kazu-kun" is so idealistic and dream like, that I believe a nightmarish relationship where the abusee refuse to leave her own hell, should be a good way to balance the story... Or maybe not?:heh:
SpeedRcrX
2006-01-05, 13:43
Rhaaaaa I can't wait to see this Raw.
I wonder what's going on with Tomoe (Rejection from Shizuru ?)
And I'm STILL wondering about the shot through Shizuru's hair
But when you see Akane going berserk... we can guess what happen to Shizuru's hair ^^
Edit :
Some of my fav Shots
Someone will be jealous
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/237/11364795815807io.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364795815807io.jpg)
Someone will DEFINITELY going to be jealous
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2808/11364796366243rf.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364796366243rf.jpg)
Finally an Happy Ending for Akane !
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5711/11364804659770lg.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364804659770lg.jpg)
From the preview !
I wonder why Natsuki blush (heheheh)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8575/11364803480246hl.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364803480246hl.jpg)
HOLY ****! The return of Artemis' Golden Millenium...
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9101/bscap01059eh.jpg
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 13:58
Just to reiterate for some of the newer people:
- Do NOT ask when the next episode will be released! (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=324) (Please read this if you have not done so.)
- Please do not ask for or tell people where they can download RAWs.
- Please read the first post of this thread.
- Tell me my avatar looks cool.
If you have any questions, drop me a PM. Cheers. :)
:topicoff:
Your avatar looks cool!
On Topic
Makes me wonder if Shizuru dwindles between 'just' lesbian and loli-lesbian?
In Mai-HiME Shizuru could had been considered the 'psycho' lesbian, now in Mai-Otome in firmly believe in my gut that Tomoe will surpass and exceed the 'psycho' lesbian standards.
MattAlchemy
2006-01-05, 14:13
Minor warning - From next ep preview:
http://tinypic.com/jr75uc
Maybe Tomoe's saying something like "The episode title could fit on your forehead"...
Reminds me of Chie and Aoi and how you get to finally see them talk together.
There's so many blushings. Also wonder why they're crying.:D
Your avatar looks great. Fiery!
Raw teaser: Akane's struggle.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/7834467863041426/mai_otome_13_akanes_struggle_raw_teaser/
Quality is a little low cause I'm not using putfile...
EnseiSong
2006-01-05, 14:26
Ok, this is like the fourth or the fifth time that a random person recived the black letter. Then after they summon the slave, their eyes change to gold/yellow, which I think every one know is the eyes color of the Kokuyou no Kimi. Would the bad guys somehow samiler to Kokuyou no Kimi?
Yay for Akane!!!! They didn't kill her, I'm happy!!
....... humm..... so Tate will show up?!
MattAlchemy
2006-01-05, 14:27
Ok, this is like the fourth or the fifth time that a random person recived the black letter. Then after they summon the slave, their eyes change to gold/yellow, which I think every one know is the eyes color of the Kokuyou no Kimi. Would the bad guys somehow samiler to Kokuyou no Kimi?
Yay for Akane!!!! They didn't kill her, I'm happy!!
....... humm..... so Tate will show up?!
I can image Tate as the younger brother of Sergey.:D
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 14:40
Raw teaser: Akane's struggle.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/7834467863041426/mai_otome_13_akanes_struggle_raw_teaser/
NICE!!! Ahh....very cool. Thanks for the teaser.
EnseiSong
2006-01-05, 14:41
I can image Tate as the younger brother of Sergey.
I don't know.... there are many points in past eps that showed me, Sergay might be a orphan. But that's just me.
Raw teaser: Akane's struggle.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/7834467863041426/mai_otome_13_akanes_struggle_raw_teaser/
Ahh, I knew I shouldn't have looked, now I have to suffer the wait. :(
alangaruku
2006-01-05, 14:43
Since noone so far said anything about the
new opening I guess it's not in ep. 13.
Maybe in 14 or 15.
I can imagen Tate dead...
That or he's Sergey who grew up XD Older Brother... maybe.
This episode rocked so much it's not even funny!
Akane kicks ass, Great character development, and best of all... AKANE GETS A HAPPY ENDING FINALLY!!!!
I'm very happy with how this turned out, I was afraid it was going to be a Shizuru vs. Akane!
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 15:10
I can imagen Tate dead...
That or he's Sergey who grew up XD Older Brother... maybe.
This episode rocked so much it's not even funny!
Akane kicks ass, Great character development, and best of all... AKANE GETS A HAPPY ENDING FINALLY!!!!
I'm very happy with how this turned out, I was afraid it was going to be a Shizuru vs. Akane!
So Akane survive Ep13
Now wherer does that leave Erstin :eyebrow: I think one of the preview for 15 mention Arika crying and Erstin form the preview seems to have a lot of screen in the Ep14.
Notice that a servant of the Black Valley is videotaping the Slave/Otome battle. Kind of like viewing play films during football season to check out your opponent's strengths, weaknesses and strategies.
Good to hear that Akane gets a happy ending for once. I can't wait till I get home. Actually, I can't wait until several hours later when screenshots will go up at Random Curiosity. :D
Good to hear that Akane gets a happy ending for once.
Hear hear.
I hope nobody is going to go after them and make them pay. She deserves a happy ending after two seasons of sorrow. :)
Akuma-sama
2006-01-05, 15:51
Minor warning - From next ep preview:
http://tinypic.com/jr75uc
Maybe Tomoe's saying something like "The episode title could fit on your forehead"...
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2409/odekochinmiyaotomenosos6oq.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odekochinmiyaotomenosos6oq.jpg)
Maybe she did. :heh:
If you're looking for me, I'll be bouncing in my seat in anticipation for this episode. That Artemis-type Blast looks lovably ominous...
I guess the big Blast From The Sky is the Mai- signal for things to start going "omgwtfbbq!!" :)
imperialmog
2006-01-05, 15:51
Glad that Akane did get a happy ending. Though they could be evil enough to then rip everything apart in a later episode.
Now I worry something will happen with Erstin, espcially since it seems her parents are jerks by what is implied.
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 15:56
Notice that a servant of the Black Valley is videotaping the Slave/Otome battle. Kind of like viewing play films during football season to check out your opponent's strengths, weaknesses and strategies.Hmmm...good catch. I missed that the first time through. Too jacked up watching the fight. ^^;
coefficientX
2006-01-05, 16:34
Natsuki in her official uniform
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6665/uniform6mm.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uniform6mm.jpg)
Wow... Natsuki looks nice! :cool:
http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/5299/11364794177622vv.th.jpg (http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11364794177622vv.jpg)
So... "enju no kougyoku" = "Fire String Ruby" :eyespin:
ZeusIrae
2006-01-05, 17:07
Akane?Happy ending?No way,
Trust them to pull something nasty.
I didn't see the ep yet,but some parts of my brain are screaming"that book of legends is our link with Mai-Hime".
Oh well,it seems we still have to wait a few eps before the Hime slaughter can begin:D (smell the devine scent of blood in the distance)
I can image Tate as the younger brother of Sergey.:D
i was thinking the same thing
Tempest35
2006-01-05, 17:35
Whoooo~ Looks like things are gonna start heating up from here on in.
- I feel as though I can put Nagi on with Schwarz for the time being. He's at least gonna ride the horse until he's had enough and jumps off. ^^
- I know that the guy with Mai in the Book of Legends IS Sergey. ^^ Why? Well, would the Tate we know wear such an overcoat that looks like a dress??? Only royals put up with that mess. :p And something else - All Tate has to do to look like Sergey is COMB HIS HAIR. I know, I know, it's just spec for now. ^_^ v
- Anyone else thinking that Tomoe is now putting Arika's case in #1 on her 'Hit List'? I can see an Arika vs Tomoe 'Performance' coming up soon. Will Nina interfere or laugh at Tomoe as she will have bitten off more than she can chew in fighting Arika. :D
Ah finally :) Now I really can't wait for Ep14 >.> Seeing the preview seems to confirm it'll be a good point for them to put in OP2 too. Poor natsuki getting interrupted in the middle of the night :heh:
Anyway, question now I've seen the raw:
- Was the guy that summoned the Slave going to say something to Shizuru? It seems odd to shoot him when they'd seen him anyway, and he had no reason to speak because he was dying anyway... haven't got a clue who that guy was.
Anyone else thinking that Tomoe is now putting Arika's case in #1 on her 'Hit List'?
Yes xD Her timing was just too perfect, and Shizuru seemed a bit happier to see Arika than she did Tomoe.
I liked Arika's reaction to Akane's runaway at the end though. Nina seemed pretty resolved about becoming an Otome, while Arika ended up thinking too hard. Good development for her if that's the case... I might have understood it wrongly.
Anyway, really good episode. I'm only going to give it 4 though simply because later ones have the potential to be a whole lot better ;) No 4.5s?
ShinigamiRukia
2006-01-05, 18:30
i have a questions that ive been wondering of, can maria activate robes too or.. not?
I'm so glad akane gets a happy ending! And she's a meister? That's even greater! Now the only thing i hope for in this series is that french bread head is somehow knocked off(unlikely since she's just a side side character, but one can hope!) and that chie gets akanes mai hime tonfas!
I'm so glad akane gets a happy ending! And she's a meister? That's even greater! Now the only thing i hope for in this series is that french bread head is somehow knocked off(unlikely since she's just a side side character, but one can hope!) and that chie gets akanes mai hime tonfas!
Well no, she WAS going to be a Meister, then ran away, giving her the happy ending with Kazu ;)
Obsidian penguin
2006-01-05, 19:10
So Akane eloped with Kazu-kun.
Did she lost her otome status ?
If she is no more pearl number one, we have the new Trias : Chie, Shio and... Nao
Poor Nao, she has now two choices : becoming an exemplary otome (ew...) or losing one rank (explanations for Sergai and Nagi...)
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-05, 19:24
So Akane eloped with Kazu-kun.
Did she lost her otome status ?
If she is no more pearl number one, we have the new Trias : Chie, Shio and... Nao
Poor Nao, she has now two choices : becoming an exemplary otome (ew...) or losing one rank (explanations for Sergai and Nagi...)
Well, with the way it's going, she would end up graduating soon too. Since Arika came into the story somewhere in the middle of the semester, we don't know how much time before the Coral-Pearl-Meister shuffle is due. The fact that Akane was to graduate may mean the others are not far behind. Perhaps the top Pearls are still around because their new masters are still pending ?
bluegarden
2006-01-05, 19:29
i really think that the guy in this picture is tate
look at his hair
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8903/11364792057993aeb4vs.jpg
now look at tate's hair
http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/my-hime/web/character/index.html
now look at sergey's hair
http://www.my-zhime.net/
It's the same hair as tate.
Mod Edit: Switch 2chan link for ImageShack.us link so image wouldn't time out.
Can anyone translate the part when they are talking about Mai in the book? That left me very curious...
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-05, 19:35
i really think that the guy in this picture is tate
look at his hair
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8903/11364792057993aeb4vs.jpg
now look at tate's hair
http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/my-hime/web/character/index.html
now look at sergey's hair
http://www.my-zhime.net/
It's the same hair as tate.
Well, it isn't such a bad idea to have Tate in a non-speaking role. We are short on male characters as it is, and Sergay is in danger of becoming the focus of a harem anime unless other characters get introduced and gave him a breather. Otherwise you might find Sergay to have fathered more than two kids with different women, had 3 or more Ex-lovers, and still get into a love polygon in the present time. And that's even though most female characters have shoujo-ai subtext/tendencies.
/Mod Edit: Switch 2chan link for ImageShack.us link so image wouldn't time out.
Can anyone translate the part when they are talking about Mai in the book? That left me very curious...
I'm not quite sure because I don't know Japanese very well. But AFAIK, Mai was a great otome, but she trapped between love and dedication (or something). Just like Akane's case now.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 19:49
Well, it isn't such a bad idea to have Tate in a non-speaking role. We are short on male characters as it is, and Sergay is in danger of becoming the focus of a harem anime unless other characters get introduced and gave him a breather. Otherwise you might find Sergay to have fathered more than two kids with different women, had 3 or more Ex-lovers,
And he did all that when he was only 10 :p
i have a questions that ive been wondering of, can maria activate robes too or.. not?
I think one of the episodes showed Maria with an earring. I'm too lazy to go through them now to check it out, but I think the images was very clear... if my memory serves me correctly.
If I'm from Mars, anyone let me know?
I think one of the episodes showed Maria with an earring. I'm too lazy to go through them now to check it out, but I think the images was very clear... if my memory serves me correctly.
If I'm from Mars, anyone let me know?
it was ep.8 when they were in the graveyard of otomes
Timeless Enigma
2006-01-05, 20:00
HOLY ****
Those two weeks of pain were worth it!!
This has to be the best episode so far for me, and it looks like it's been confirmed that Arika is in love... with an older man almost twice her age. *Twighlight Zone music plays*
So Akane survives another episode huh? But for how long? I doubt they will leave it like that, I'm betting there will be pursuit.
My eyes went :twitch::eyespin: when I saw the shot of Mai and her lover. The first thing that came to my mind was "Hey, doesn't that look like Tate?" Hm... but there's still a possibility it could be Sergay, but I think it would be better for Tate to have at least some role in this show. But the animation seemed to suggest that Mai's lover was no longer alive... so if it was indeed Tate... :(I still liked you in HiME man:(
Mai's becoming more and more of a wildcard now. She's most likely alive, she most likely still has her powers, but is she mentally and emotionally stable? Well, she doesn't necessarily have to be insane/disturbed to be an antagonist, but who knows.
*Rates this episode 6 out of 5*
himalayan
2006-01-05, 20:06
--
hmm
what exactly did arika ask shizuru? something about shizuru's lovelife - or the lack thereof? XD
Chuongfantasy
2006-01-05, 20:28
Is that just me or Akane master look like that man with otome in episode 3 at about 13:20, and the otome's uniform also look like Akane graduation uniform too, I wonder if they made an animation mistake.
scribbly
2006-01-05, 20:42
Is that just me or Akane master look like that man with otome in episode 3 at about 13:20, and the otome's uniform also look like Akane graduation uniform too, I wonder if they made an animation mistake.
In the episode it is stated that Akane's country's otome is retiring to get married. (I think, many "kekkon"s in there) ... which I suppose made akane think a lot about love and marriage in addition to otome duty.
Kazu better marry her, or else.
That looks like Tate. His hair is a lot more messy, and it can't be Sergay because of the time difference (he'll be shorter than Mai around 3 years ago).
Anyways, Akane kicks ass this episode, Kazu finally got some balls, and a cool new insert song from Yuki Kajuira!
Tempest35
2006-01-05, 20:58
Eh, are we sure on the time difference here? Because that would make Natsuki, Mai, and their whole group already in the Coral class by the time the Windbloom incident took place...
I mean, it occured far enough in the past that it was put into a 'Legends' book and unless they make annual changes to it like a yearbook, I'm thinking this must have happened further back.
I'll blow a fuse if there's Sergay has a runaway little brother named Yuuichi. #_#
Well, if Akane got a 'happy ending' from choosing Kazuya over her 'duty as an Otome', I wonder how much different the circumstances were when it was Mai's turn to make the fateful desicion.
Yes, I'm home. :p How was the action in this episode? And what was it that gave Shizuru a bad hair day?
They count as much as real troops would in the real world should a nuclear war break out. Countries are carefully with their Otomes, as careful as countries in the real world are with their WMDs. A balance is found and maintained, should Otomes be brought into a war, it will step it up all those many levels, just as bringing WMDs in a war would step that up a good many notches. I'm sure the Otome world hasn't been in permanant peace since the last Otome war, just Otomes did not take part. Human nature assures that there will be at least one moderately sized conflict going on somewhere in the world.
Or Battleships ala WWI-II.
I'm willing to bet that any kind of battle involving Otomes on both sides isn't a Trafalgar-style "decisive battle" of British/Japanese fame at all, but rather a Jutland-type engagement. You can easily make parallel between Otomes and Battleships because of the latter's enormous cost in resources and the former's connection with their ruler means that it would be a disaster if one is lost. That means that nations are NOT going to use Otomes unless in the most dire of situations, and will be extremely timid in their use even if they do.
Even if Otomes weren't connected to their ruler, there is the problem of strategic flexibility. Otomes have gigantic force multiplying capabilities, but it would be incredibly foolish for nations to eschew regular militaries in favor of a small number of Otomes. Although it's probably far cheaper to maintain and supply(because professionals study logistics)a force of Otomes in place of thousands of regular troops, serious problems are going to arise in certain situations where Otomes aren't going to be the best thing to use, such as occupation forces to name one.
And what was it that gave Shizuru a bad hair day?
http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/whoshot.jpg
Who is it? Your guess is as good as anyone's :)
http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/whoshot.jpg
Who is it? Your guess is as good as anyone's :)
Looks to me like members of the Black Valley are setting things into motion faster than either Schwarz or Garderobe parties have planned. A sniper gets the dude with the Slave and uses the battle to create a "training video" for their Black Valley people to learn more about how the nanomachines work and how to summon/control the robes (like Shizuru mentioned in Ep 11, I think).
coefficientX
2006-01-05, 21:47
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Hmmm seems like Shizuru knows that Tomoe likes her in a special way. :uhoh:
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Hehe, seriously Natsuki doesn't look bad in that batman cape at all. :cool:
In fact I think she looks rather nice.
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Natsuki's helpless expressions are always so cute! :heh:
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Wow next episode is gonna be nice!
The Lutecia otomes are fighting against each other... Wonder what country conflicts...
And oh yah, Kazu-kun did make a very flashy entrance to snatch Akane-chan back. The only thing missing is a Rock Lee smile. :heh:
As for the 5 Pillars, so far we can confirm 3:
- Mai
- Natsuki
- Shizuru
I'm willing to bet that the roman numerals on the meister dress, is the indicator of Pillar dress.
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Wow next episode is gonna be nice!
The Lutecia otomes are fighting against each other... Wonder what country conflicts...
Wow, they're starting finally! It's about time. Looks like it's a Friend VS Friend situation there and they do look intense and are ignoring any emotions and friendship. I can't imagine having Arika fight against her classmates. They look so....friendly! :(
ArchDragon
2006-01-05, 21:57
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Wow next episode is gonna be nice!
The Lutecia otomes are fighting against each other... Wonder what country conflicts...
My money's on the one with short hair, she was a trias member.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-05, 22:06
My money's on the one with short hair, she was a trias member.
But they're at most five years older than in Natsuki's picture. Yet Natsuki is ten or more years older than in the picture. So those have to be more flashbacks, unless I'm badly mistaken.
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 22:08
Wow, they're starting finally! It's about time. Looks like it's a Friend VS Friend situation there and they do look intense and are ignoring any emotions and friendship. I can't imagine having Arika fight against her classmates. They look so....friendly! :(I think that's the point of this show though.
First you build the core group of friends that all viewers love and want to see interact more. Then, you add mid-Season suspicion...allusions to backstabbing. Next, full out "friend vs. friend" battles and tear the viewers' hearts out as friends kill each other. One person, lost in a battle, finds a missing sage…a former warrior who validates & solidifies the lost person’s core beliefs.
Finally, that one person, having returned from eating a dinner out of a soup can with the lost sage, steps up and says, "Enough. I won't kill my friend." but it's too late because the friend kills her.
The remaining friend, who killed the story’s protagonist, is changed and vows to live to the rest of her life to see the dreams of her dead friend to fruition.
But that leaves out WAY too much considering what we’ve seen so far. At some point, we’re going to see our girls fight each other to a death…even if for a little bit before they toss out the archaic Otome dogma and band together to fight a common foe.
I think some of them have to fight each other because they believe that that's what defines a good Otome...battling your friends. That’s why they’re at that school.
ArchDragon
2006-01-05, 22:11
But they're at most five years older than in Natsuki's picture. Yet Natsuki is ten or more years older than in the picture. So those have to be more flashbacks, unless I'm badly mistaken.
It can't be a flashback, there hasn't been any Otome vs. Otome battle ever since the Dragon King War.
alangaruku
2006-01-05, 22:16
I just saw the raw.
Ever though I only know
little bit of Japanese,
I could tell that ep. 13
is the best Mai Otome
ep. so far. The nest ep.
looks good to! ^_^
bluegarden
2006-01-05, 22:22
crack. The young sergey had the same hair as the boy in the picture with mai, so in conclussion: sergey is a player
first rena
then mai
and now arika and/or nina
and his victims keep getting younger and younger..:p
So, is Nao gonna a member of the Trias...
As of Otome 13:
#1 Pearl: Chie
#2 Pearl: Shiho
#3 Pearl: Nao
Omniscient
2006-01-05, 22:25
Episode 13 Screencaps and Long Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/01/05/mai-otome-13/)
I really thought Kazuya was going to die or Akane was going to fight Shizuru or something. So I'm rather glad that Akane and Kazuya got a happy ending (for now). They did a great job paralleling Mai's story (should be pretty safe to call it Mai's story now) with Akane's own decision. I am a bit concerned about how they're setting Arika up to like Sergay, but we'll see where that goes.Can anyone translate the part when they are talking about Mai in the book? That left me very curious...This isn't 100% correct, but it should be pretty close to what was said (taken from my own summary):
Nina tells the story of the girl who was set to succeed the Fire String Ruby after she graduated. However, this girl fell in love, and the girl who had decided to become an Otome became troubled by her love or her dream. It had been decided that this girl would be one of the five pillars and usually these Otome who have no master serve the founder (Fumi-sama). For this girl, however, that was the most painful sentence. She who worried about her fate went into the forest of a god who could predict the future. But in the end, she never came back out.
lone_wolf
2006-01-05, 22:32
My money's on the one with short hair, she was a trias member.
Hmmm...when was that mentioned? Looks to me (according to the nostalgic image), that she was a coral. The trias in that image was Shizuru, Haruka and some short, *dark* haired gal.
--Lone Wolf
So is it safe to say that Enju no Kougyoku = Fire String Ruby? Because that story looks more like a fairy tale. But if it's actually a non-fiction book, then Mai is one lucky person to have a book that talks about her. :uhoh:
It's understandable for Arika to kind of have a "crush" on Sergay but if Sergay even remotely returns her romantic feelings, I may just take a bomb to Sunrise. She's a kid and kids get crushes, but for adults who know better to take advantage of them? I could never forgive that. :mad:
About the slave from what I could understand plus my own guess:
The slave this time was a product of Smith. He said to Nagi that because of the data in the thing he stole from Midori he was able to create that crystal. Nagi asked him if that would work and he said Nagi would soon see its power. So I guess that guy videotaping what was happening was Smith doing that to show Nagi. Shizuru even said this time the slave was different from before when she was trying to get the vendor guy to talk.
Catgirls
2006-01-05, 22:47
It's understandable for Arika to kind of have a "crush" on Sergay but if Sergay even remotely returns her romantic feelings, I may just take a bomb to Sunrise. She's a kid and kids get crushes, but for adults who know better to take advantage of them? I could never forgive that. :mad:I totally agree. I will be there with you, bomb in hand as well, as we level Sunrise world headquarters. :mad: That would just ruin this show. :mad:
It's understandable for Arika to kind of have a "crush" on Sergay but if Sergay even remotely returns her romantic feelings, I may just take a bomb to Sunrise. She's a kid and kids get crushes, but for adults who know better to take advantage of them? I could never forgive that. :mad:
Nah I don't think it'll happen that way :) More likely it'll be used to create hostile feelings between Nina and Arika. Arika's naive, obviously has little to no experience with love and has come to associate her affection towards Sergay as romantic, while Nina's... well, obsessed. Arika's not likely to drop back, Nina's not likely to let anyone else have her daddy... bam. We have ourselves a nasty little scuffle. Sergay's reactions to her (like the little smile during the cave scene in Episode 10) didn't really say love to me. Of course, I could be proved wrong... and if I am I'll be joining the cause.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-05, 22:48
I totally agree. I will be there with you, bomb in hand as well, as we level Sunrise world headquarters. :mad: That would just ruin this show. :mad:
*digs out his old bomb making manul
ready when u guys are :heh:
EnseiSong
2006-01-05, 22:51
Join in also!
OMG!! The affection from Arika came out of nowhere!! What the hell?! I mean, there aren't anything BIG... or even medium made her have this kinda of affection for Sergay... How the heck she's not even sure of should she become Otome anymore.... This is so werid :heh:
USCPharmacist
2006-01-05, 22:55
And bombing innocent artists is ok hehehe j/k
For someone to name Sirgay Wang, Sirgay really has a hard time living up to his name heheeh
Tempest35
2006-01-05, 22:55
Hey, it would be a repeat of what happened with him and Rena wouldn't it? What comes around, goes around...^^ Poor guy though...Sergay's gonna be feeling very awkward around his two favorite Coral girls for a few eps.
Besides, even if he did do anything, he'd have to answer to Shizuru for 'stealing'. XP...and to Natsuki who'd introduce him to any and all possible terms of 'freeze dry'...and (possibly) Mai who will do likewise as Natsuki but to the other extreme of 'flame-broiled'.
All hail Chie, the new #1 Pearl in Garderobe!
Tempest35
2006-01-05, 23:02
But they're at most five years older than in Natsuki's picture. Yet Natsuki is ten or more years older than in the picture. So those have to be more flashbacks, unless I'm badly mistaken.
Eh...well the standard for Corals age-wise is 14-15. The battles are happening now - those two Otome are the ones that caused the explosion at the end of ep 13. Natsuki's old classmates are fighting each other and you can bet she's gonna want to know why.
I can't wait to see Chie in the white Robe...
I'll royally shoot myself if Arika really moves in on those sergay feelings....grrr. this is sooooooooo wrong on soooooo many levels!!
Tremalkinger
2006-01-05, 23:03
It's understandable for Arika to kind of have a "crush" on Sergay but if Sergay even remotely returns her romantic feelings, I may just take a bomb to Sunrise. She's a kid and kids get crushes, but for adults who know better to take advantage of them? I could never forgive that. :mad:
He's already been shown to be a latent pedo. I'm getting pretty worried. But I'll reserve my judgement until I've watched the raw.
But if these 'feelings' for Sergey are as strong as everyone is making them sound... what? They came out of absolutely nowhere. It makes ZERO sense.
Poor Sergay, no-one has any faith in him whatsoever :heh:
Because that story looks more like a fairy tale. But if it's actually a non-fiction book, then Mai is one lucky person to have a book that talks about her.
Well the book looks like it documents a whole lot of Otome, and Mai's down as number 109. If she was a Pillar that mysteriously disappeared due to internal conflicts it wouldn't be surprising she'd be documented and a fair few people would know her story. It looks like the facts are true (Mai became Pillar, Mai became torn between love and her dream, Mai disappeared) although the whole tale does have a fairytale quality to it, especially with the whole 'forest of a god who could predict the future' concept. Perhaps that was just added later to fill the gap, at least the first parts seem to concur with what Takumi said and the picture is almost unmistakably Mai, so...
Anyone want to speculate on what Carteya and Florence will do when the war gets under way?
...wait a minute.
Mai went to a "God of the Forest?" That's what the name Aswald/Oswald means!
darkwing
2006-01-05, 23:52
...wait a minute.
Mai went to a "God of the Forest?" That's what the name Aswald/Oswald means!
you mean Ase + Wald = Aswald?
EDIT: Hm... looked up Oswald and the meaning is NOT something like god of the forest...
wissen.de says:
Oswald
[altnordisch áss, angelsächsisch ós, germanisch ans, "Ase, Gottheit", und althochdeutsch waltan, "herrschen"]
männlicher Vorname.
rough translation: name is composed of áss/ós/ans, meaning god and waltan meaning to rule/reign
other sites say Oswald means something like ruler who is animated by the gods
Looks to me like members of the Black Valley are setting things into motion faster than either Schwarz or Garderobe parties have planned. A sniper gets the dude with the Slave and uses the battle to create a "training video" for their Black Valley people to learn more about how the nanomachines work and how to summon/control the robes (like Shizuru mentioned in Ep 11, I think).
So...they're Al Qaeda/Taliban-ish now? :D
Lackadaisical
2006-01-06, 00:17
If Akane isn't going to be the new Otome, does that make it likely Chie will become the newest Otome?
I wonder how much weight an Otome gets deciding who they serve? Obviously, what country they come from would matter, as no country would want one of their Otomes serving another country. Given this I would assume the ruler would remain Otomeless until another Otome from his country becomes ready to graduate unless Chie is also from the same country Akane is from.
Has it been mentioned if any of the Coral Otome we have been introduced to are from the same country as Akane? If they are and a war breaks out, it might be likely that that Coral Otome would have to head to the front lines in the place of Akane.
I don't see this ending happily for Akane. Either she will be get stricken about some younger Otome getting killed in her place or she'll lose her abilities and die unable to defend Kazuya in an attack aimed against the nobles of the nation Kazuya is from.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-06, 00:25
Okay... I really really hope I'm missing something important in the dialog. I've got a moderate knoweldge of japanese, but there were a fair number of exchanges that I couldn't follow, so I'm trying to leave some room here. But so much of this episode made no sense at all.
What happened there with Akane? She declares that she can't give up her dream of being an Otome, and breaks up with Kazu. Then she uses her Otome powers to save his life. Then he runs up to her during her 'wedding', and declares that he loves her, and she runs off with him into the sunset? What? What is going on here? Why does Akane reverse her decision? Why is she suddenly willing to give up her dream, after declaring she isn't, when the only event that occurs between the two is an affirmation that her Otome power saves Kazu's life? Is there anything at all in the dialog that I missed which indicates some sort of reasoning? Because this whole section really left me wondering what the heck is going on in the script writers heads. :eyebrow:
Complaint number two. Arika has now randomly fallen in love with Sergey. For no reason. I'm seriously hoping that this is somehow explained by some sort of outside influence, as cheesy as that would be, because human beings do not work like this, at all. I was literally stunned by the ending sequence with Arika. Even she doesn't understand why she likes him.
Two massive blows to my enjoyment of the series. I'm not trying to be appocolyptic or anything, but I seriously hope there is some explanations in either (a) dialog that I missed or (b) future episodes. And they had better be some good ones.
lilith1013
2006-01-06, 00:47
*waves* Hi, I'm a long time lurker, first time poster.
Can anyone translate the conversation that transpired between Tomoe and Shizuru ? Also Arika mentions something about the principal and Shizuru in the library, what was she talking about?
Thanks! :)
Anyone want to speculate on what Carteya and Florence will do when the war gets under way?
What people do in all wars
Kill the others and try to stay alive.:heh:
Seriously, I predict that the entire war will become so convluted everyone is struggling to decide whom to kill.
you mean Ase + Wald = Aswald?
EDIT: Hm... looked up Oswald and the meaning is NOT something like god of the forest...
wissen.de says:
rough translation: name is composed of áss/ós/ans, meaning god and waltan meaning to rule/reign
other sites say Oswald means something like ruler who is animated by the gods
Oh, "Oswald" has many different meanings. But I got my info from...
http://www.babynames.com/Names/O/
https://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/oswald/
www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=o&p=7
Os = God but only in personal names. For example, Osmond means "God's Protection". Oscar means "God's Spear."
Wald = Wood. Forest. Also derived from german 'wald' Schwarzwald, for example, in german means "Black Forest." Another example, the Waldorf from Waldorf Astoria means "Forest Village."
Has it been mentioned if any of the Coral Otome we have been introduced to are from the same country as Akane? If they are and a war breaks out, it might be likely that that Coral Otome would have to head to the front lines in the place of Akane.
Akane was the only Florincian student in the main cast.
But there is two pupils in the main cast without info on their origin: Lilie and Tomoe.
Catgirls
2006-01-06, 01:08
you mean Ase + Wald = Aswald?
EDIT: Hm... looked up Oswald and the meaning is NOT something like god of the forest...
wissen.de says:
rough translation: name is composed of áss/ós/ans, meaning god and waltan meaning to rule/reign
other sites say Oswald means something like ruler who is animated by the gods
Oh, "Oswald" has many different meanings. But I got my info from...
http://www.babynames.com/Names/O/
https://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/oswald/
www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=o&p=7
Os = God but only in personal names. For example, Osmond means "God's Protection". Oscar means "God's Spear."
Wald = Wood. Forest. Also derived from german 'wald' Schwarzwald, for example, in german means "Black Forest." Another example, the Waldorf from Waldorf Astoria means "Forest Village."
Oswald was also an assassin’s name.
/circa 1963 Americana and might be too much of a stretch
I finally finished got this episode and watched it. It was pretty good. Nice new music here and there. I think Akane will be my next favorite character so far.
By the way, why did Akane have a red gem? Shouldn't pearls be white? :uhoh:
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-06, 01:23
Hey, it would be a repeat of what happened with him and Rena wouldn't it? What comes around, goes around...^^ Poor guy though...Sergay's gonna be feeling very awkward around his two favorite Coral girls for a few eps.
Besides, even if he did do anything, he'd have to answer to Shizuru for 'stealing'. XP...and to Natsuki who'd introduce him to any and all possible terms of 'freeze dry'...and (possibly) Mai who will do likewise as Natsuki but to the other extreme of 'flame-broiled'.
All hail Chie, the new #1 Pearl in Garderobe!
I think most people on this board knew about my crack theory concerning Rena and Sergay by now...
Regardless, it is true Sergay once loved a woman who was much older than him. Though there is no reason from him to accept love from anyone unless he felt right and ready, it would be hypocritical of him to reject a girl purely due to the age difference. If Rena didn't reject him... (she might have, who knows...) who was he to judge others?
By the way, why did Akane have a red gem? Shouldn't pearls be white?
The GEM of Otome students are all identical. The "pearl" name is just a title, not a gem.
darkwing
2006-01-06, 01:28
Wald = Wood. Forest. Also derived from german 'wald' Schwarzwald, for example, in german means "Black Forest." Another example, the Waldorf from Waldorf Astoria means "Forest Village."
Yes, Wald is forest, but the wald (or just ald) in "old" German names always seems to come from waltan, not Wald. So I think the Oswald = god of the forest thing is wrong.
(And I somehow doubt that Waldorf means forest village, but that is irrelevant here.)
Black_Sharingan
2006-01-06, 01:34
Complaint number two. Arika has now randomly fallen in love with Sergey.
Uh, no, she hasn't. She has had a crush on him ever since that episode where the two were attacked by the monster. And why wouldn't she? He's cool, kind despite his sarcastic comments, good looking, and older. You should see it from the perspective of a 14/15 year old.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-01-06, 01:40
Uh, no, she hasn't. She has had a crush on him ever since that episode where the two were attacked by the monster. And why wouldn't she? He's cool, kind despite his sarcastic comments, good looking, and older. You should see it from the perspective of a 14/15 year old.
And shoujo-ai options aside, he is the only eligible male character whom she had any contact with in the boarding-school. Further more, as Sharingan pointed out, Sergay really didn't have any bad points to complain about. Other than age (and if Mashiro could get married at 15, why can't her?), and the desire from the fanbase to force Arika to pair up with a female, what's the issue here?:confused:
I think the Corals are going to be the perverbial "redshirts" in the war... They're somewhat expendable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character)
Sergay is also the only male character in touch with the "school of virgins", so technically Otome is a harem anime. But you can also say that with Athrun's harem in GSD.
Schwarz is really cutting things up aren't they?
Tremalkinger
2006-01-06, 02:09
And shoujo-ai options aside, he is the only eligible male character whom she had any contact with in the boarding-school. Further more, as Sharingan pointed out, Sergay really didn't have any bad points to complain about. Other than age (and if Mashiro could get married at 15, why can't her?), and the desire from the fanbase to force Arika to pair up with a female, what's the issue here?:confused:
There just simply isn't any justification for her to suddenly have these feelings in a way that even she doesn't understand. Take Nina's feelings for Sergey, for example. There is an established behavior between the two of them which builds a justification for Nina having feelings for Sergey. I never once felt like it was a stretch for Nina to have them... they made perfect sense.
Now look at Arika. She's known him for a few months, and bickered with him a bit. Never once was there any evidence of er looking at him in any way other than an older guy who teases her. Then she finds out about Nina's feelings, her heart goes 'doki doki', and she looks confused. That's what I call 'spontanious love generation'.
I certainly didn't see any behavior indicating a crush during the whole shipwreck sequence, or after either for that matter. She varied between angry to embarassed, before finally back to normal. Nothing in her reaction indicated to me any level of attraction for Sergey, but rather understandable embarassment at waking up naked next to him.
It's not a matter of me wanting to pair Arika up with anyone (because trust me, I don't). It's not even the age difference that bothers me, either. My complaint is that Arika gaining these feelings does not make sense. She can be straight as an arrow, but that doesn't mean she'll fall in love with the first guy she meets. People don't work that way.
You should see it from the perspective of a 14/15 year old.
Yes, young people (god I feel old saying that) do make silly decisions. But has Arika really shown a tendency to randomly switch her opinion about people in the past in this show? This feels pretty out of character for her, is my point.
Mysticmidnightmaiden
2006-01-06, 02:11
Ok, I just finished watching the raw and I have a couple of crack theories/predictions:
1) Erstin will betray all of Garderobe by giving away all of its secrets. Well, at least Arika's trust when she tell Nina that she has a true rival for her beloved Otou-sama's affections. (She was the only one who noticed Arika's last glance...)
2) Since I didn't see Akane give back her Meister's Master ring, I will assume that she still has it. Thus, I also will assume that Kazu-kun is her master. This stated, Akane and Kasu will join Mai and Tate (DIE BASTARD!!! AND STAY DEAD THIS TIME!!! ehem...) to try to destroy the Otome system. Natsuki, in a moment of tense drama, will also join them. Shizuru won't. Natsuki/Mai tag-team vs. Shinzuru fight.
3) Youko will face off against Midori and reveal her hiden Pillar status.
4) Arika vs. Erstin fight for Final Exam. Arika will win and jump to the last place available for Pearls. Erstin will snap. Period.
5) Tate will appear next week as the cousin of Sergey. His loli pimp business will expand farther, but Mai will fry him Kagutsuchi style. Well done with BBQ sause.
5.5) Tate will die or already is dead.
6) Mai is (presently) an Otome of Oswald. Thus, she either morphed into Midori from using the GEMs too much or is their secret weapon. Like Mikoto and Alissa, Kagutsuchi is trapped in a kawaii animal-like state until war breaks out.
Whew! That was fun... I was wondering, did anyone notice Akane's protests during the begining of the episode? Manga reference, anyone? Also, in the OP, I don't think Mai is the one frying the slaves. Pause at 02:22 and slowly move foreward... I believe the silloette is of a wolf, ne? How about Duran maybe? As for Arinko's "sickness"? Maybe it's a need for a father/brother figure and not a sugar daddy... Actually, the more I think about it, the more I still want to bumb Sunrise for that implyment (Unless it's a red herring). I hope Tate gets some screentime in MO (Even though I wanted him to stay dead in MH), otherwise Mai's triumphant return to the screen many be a dark one (Hopefully...).
I'd better stop before I fall asleep...
This episode made me both reel in horror and roll on the floor in laughter...
First, you gotta love how Shizuru pulled a Rosa Gigantea XD
Second, Kazu's and Akane's eloping was what sent me to the floor in choking laughter, So steretypical, SO sap, SO -them-. Let's hope Akane doesn't disappear completely from the story yet, but if this is her happy ending, then I'm glad XD. Nao is on the Trias, omg.
Last, while Arika's realization process was hilarious, I'm really like many here NOT fond of the idea of the Arika/Sergey pair up. And if Sergey goes with it, then my respect for him will drop from present relative high to zip. Seriously, would you sleep with the daughter of your childhood supercrush with a clear conscience?
I'm holding my thumbs for Sergey/Mai, it would work agewise, explain some this far unsolved issues (like the letter sent to Sergey from Takumi) AND put my mind to a rest.
Poor Mashirogot no screentime XD and Natsuki's formal gear looked better than I hoped for.
Did anyone but me notice that Nina also has a sauce fetish? It looked like tabasco or something XD
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 02:28
Couple of points on this great ep:
I'm pretty sure Akane being made a Meister (without graduating) that way is not normal - "first time in the school's history". I wonder if most Meisters quit to marry? I wouldn't be surprised (probably why you don't see any old ones).
When Arika faints, Nina carries her to the infirmary, thinking that Arika's nanomachines might have gone strange. Youko confirms that Arika's nanomachines are fine but that she's "sick" and even God can't cure her. Arika wonders if she's going to die, and Youko says she'll probably suffer more than dying. No wonder Arika looks so depressed :D
Nina clearly says that the "Enju no Kougyoku" incident happened only "several years ago". I'd bet the guy we see is a 16-18 year old Sergay - this probably happened before he met Nina 6 years ago. This would also explain why Takumi would write a letter to Sergay. From what Nina says, pillars are chosen by the founder (Fumi-sama) and supposed to protect the very existance of Otome instead of having a normal master. When Nina mentions the 5 Pillars, Arika says "like the gakuenchou-san or Shizuru-san?" (gakuenchou = school headmaster, ie Natsuki). Given that she has the title, is Mai actually a Pillar? Or is she simply refered to as the "Enju no Kougyoku" for convenience, and her spot as one of the 5 Pillars is being kept open?
At the end, Arika compares her reactions to Sergay to what Akane said, which basically means she's fallen for Sergay and she can't believe it. (Well, who said love was logical). That "thump" of her heart in ep 11 seeing Sergay hug Nina was almost certainly a stab of jealousy.
lone_wolf
2006-01-06, 02:36
Couple of points on this great ep:
I'm pretty sure Akane being made a Meister (without graduating) that way is not normal - "first time in the school's history". I wonder if most Meisters quit to marry? I wouldn't be surprised (probably why you don't see any old ones).
The former Otome Rosaria (whom Akane was to take over for), retired because of marriage.
--Lone Wolf
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 02:51
The former Otome Rosaria (whom Akane was to take over for), retired because of marriage.
Yes, that's what I was refering to.
Clearly most/all Meistar Otome are young. Since there's been no wars in the last 50 years (until this ep), either most Meister retire when still relatively young, or something else - I doubt it's because all their Masters are dying of old age, and I doubt that the nanomachines give eternal youth. Maybe some Otome retire because they don't like their masters, but I doubt this'd be a common reason. So I figure the reason most Meistars retire is to marry.
Yes, that's what I was refering to.
Clearly most/all Meistar Otome are young. Since there's been no wars in the last 50 years (until this ep), either most Meister retire when still relatively young, or something else - I doubt it's because all their Masters are dying of old age, and I doubt that the nanomachines give eternal youth. Maybe some Otome retire because they don't like their masters, but I doubt this'd be a common reason. So I figure the reason most Meistars retire is to marry.
I'd say they retire because of raging sex drives...
Did anyone get what Youko says in the end to Natsuki on the phone? What the hell is happening? from the preview, it looks like if the two meister otomes from Natsuki's classphoto is fighting, or they could be fighting a common enemy.
And what is Natsuki blushing about in the preview? :D
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 03:11
Did anyone get what Youko says in the end to Natsuki on the phone? What the hell is happening? from the preview, it looks like if the two meister otomes from Natsuki's classphoto is fighting, or they could be fighting a common enemy.
I can't quite figure out all the words, but Youko says something like "in the region of Shizuru-san's location signal, in the countries of Romulus and Remus..." and Natsuki ends with "Otome are fighting each other!?"
The line on Youko's screen is probably the path of the transport Shizuru is on, with the flashing light probably Shizuru's current location.
And what is Natsuki blushing about in the preview? :D
No idea. I also wonder why some characters are getting what looks like stage make-up...
lone_wolf
2006-01-06, 03:13
And what is Natsuki blushing about in the preview? :D
I can only hope it's Shizuru-related :D
--Lone Wolf
Aaah, the otome battles are on then. I see a huge amount of Natsuki-related headaches incoming.
I can only hope it's Shizuru-related
Maybe Arika asked Natsuki whatever she asked Shizuru in this episode? :D
Gaaah, I gotta learn japanese, did someone get what Shizuru said to Tomoe?
And do anyone but me get the feeling of that Shizuru is quite aware of how Tomoe feels about her, but of course, its Shizuru we're talkng here :p
No idea. I also wonder why some characters are getting what looks like stage make-up...
Well, learning how to apply and use make-up is a quite valuable social skill, among females that is. :D
No time to post.. just caught up on 6 pages of posts.. seen the raw.. excellent episode.. will posts again later in detail.. and..
It's understandable for Arika to kind of have a "crush" on Sergay but if Sergay even remotely returns her romantic feelings, I may just take a bomb to Sunrise. She's a kid and kids get crushes, but for adults who know better to take advantage of them? I could never forgive that. :mad:
I'm with you. I've got more to say on this subject but no time..
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 03:47
Aaah, the otome battles are on then. I see a huge amount of Natsuki-related headaches incoming.
One thing I've been wondering about for a while is how Mai will be re-introduced to the story - since she appears in the OP (more or less), I assume it'll happen. Since she's probably not in Wind Bloom, the most likely scenario is for some major character to happen to come across her. Shizuru just happens to be out and about...
Maybe Arika asked Natsuki whatever she asked Shizuru in this episode? :D
Arika asked Shizuru if she had ever been in love ;) I can't figure out what Shizuru says in reply though...
Gaaah, I gotta learn japanese, did someone get what Shizuru said to Tomoe?
Do well in your studies kinda thing, it'll soon be time for Corals to move up to Pearls.
And do anyone but me get the feeling of that Shizuru is quite aware of how Tomoe feels about her, but of course, its Shizuru we're talkng here :p
I'm pretty sure she does know. However, I don't think she likes Tomoe. If Shizuru simply wanted physical pleasure, I'm sure she knows she could get it from Tomoe.
Well, learning how to apply and use make-up is a quite valuable social skill, among females that is. :D
That doesn't look like normal make-up though. Well, you may be right in that they're simply practicing...
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 04:01
btw, listening to the bit about the "Enju no Kougyoku" again... I think Nina says something like: There was an incredibly talented Otome and it was decided that her 'sign' on graduating would be the "Enju no Kougyoku"...
It's only towards the end that Nina says that Fumi-sama decided she'd be one of the 5 Pillars. I don't get everything said here, but seems to suggest that a Meistar's "sign" (I think Nina says sign) is determined before someone can be made a Pillar. ie it's not like the 5 Pillars have fixed names.
Tempest35
2006-01-06, 05:52
Well, the names of their GEMS are decided on their raising to a Meister so I imagine that to become a Pillar, you need to be to have the 'requirements' before you get raised to a Meister or else, you're 'stuck'.
Anime Adoru
2006-01-06, 06:04
I certainly didn't see any behavior indicating a crush during the whole shipwreck sequence, or after either for that matter. She varied between angry to embarassed, before finally back to normal.
If you look closely again at the shipwreck scene, I'd say Arika's final expression goes from confused to smiling as if for the first time she is thinking to herself "oh it wouldn't be too bad with this person".
Still, I'd be surprised to see Arika and Sergey go romantic. Regarding the scene in episode 13, I want to maintain a minority opinion that it was not about first confusing feelings of love but rather that Arika realized something about her relationship with Sergey. It didn't seem important for the rest of the episode so it didn't show up again (as far as I can gather from the RAW :))
The hint I'm taking this from is how she points to her forehead at the end of the scene before she faints. I've previously said that Sunrise wants to give us some hints about a hidden Arika/Sergey relationship with Sergey's "scar" on the forehead and how the blood runs down in Arika's and Sergey's faces. (Flashback by Nina in episode 3.)
If you look closely again at the shipwreck scene, I'd say Arika's final expression goes from confused to smiling as if for the first time she is thinking to herself "oh it wouldn't be too bad with this person".
That is SUCH a ridiculous stretch in logic that it's just not funny. Again, I agree that Arika's spontaneous desire for Sergay is so random that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel for supposed "proof" of her romantic intent towards a man almost twice her age.
The hint I'm taking this from is how she points to her forehead at the end of the scene before she faints. I've previously said that Sunrise wants to give us some hints about a hidden Arika/Sergey relationship with Sergey's "scar" on the forehead and how the blood runs down in Arika's and Sergey's faces. (Flashback by Nina in episode 3.)
Now THAT theory, I can buy.
There just simply isn't any justification for her to suddenly have these feelings in a way that even she doesn't understand. Take Nina's feelings for Sergey, for example. There is an established behavior between the two of them which builds a justification for Nina having feelings for Sergey. I never once felt like it was a stretch for Nina to have them... they made perfect sense.
Now look at Arika. She's known him for a few months, and bickered with him a bit. Never once was there any evidence of er looking at him in any way other than an older guy who teases her. Then she finds out about Nina's feelings, her heart goes 'doki doki', and she looks confused. That's what I call 'spontanious love generation'.
I certainly didn't see any behavior indicating a crush during the whole shipwreck sequence, or after either for that matter. She varied between angry to embarassed, before finally back to normal. Nothing in her reaction indicated to me any level of attraction for Sergey, but rather understandable embarassment at waking up naked next to him.
It's not a matter of me wanting to pair Arika up with anyone (because trust me, I don't). It's not even the age difference that bothers me, either. My complaint is that Arika gaining these feelings does not make sense. She can be straight as an arrow, but that doesn't mean she'll fall in love with the first guy she meets. People don't work that way.
Yes, young people (god I feel old saying that) do make silly decisions. But has Arika really shown a tendency to randomly switch her opinion about people in the past in this show? This feels pretty out of character for her, is my point.
I'm not sure I agree that Arika's feelings should be fixed in stone. She has a right to change them. She's a wild teenager, after all. But this is not a crush! I would take it more from the angle that because of her lack of male companionship and seeing others cuddle, hug, and kiss, that she is slightly embarassed at the fact that she was naked next to Sergey. She may also let the imagination run wild - normal, since she has been sheltered. Perhaps she's even advanced to the abstract level of cognitive thinking and realizes what might have passed through Sergey's mind at the time.
So what may appear as a crush may be only intrigue and a new fascination with the opposite sex, looking at them from an angle never before seen.
That is all I think it is. I am not convinced that she has a crush on Sergey. It's just that he was physically the closest any male has been to her. It's not easily forgotten, as she may realize. Hence the blushing...
Tempest35
2006-01-06, 06:32
...and all it takes for him to 'end' it is to grab that book, open to the part about the "Enju no Kougyoku", point to the picture and say, 'that's me'. :D
I highly doubt that they (SUNRISE) will have Sergay return anything romantic-wise for Arika consciously. By that I mean, his way of doing things, teasing her, things like that can be easily misunderstood if she's unsure of how to interpet them as him just being friendly.
He probably sees her as being similar to himself in some ways, especially when they both fight. He likes to prod a woman's 'mental' buttons, getting her upset to a point before giving her a gift or something else - sending mixed messages. I'm willing to bet that this is how he got his crush on Rena in the first place - she was all happy, genki, and probably flirted with him a bit just out of fun. She was at least 18 at the time, and I have to say that some girls like messing with younger guys' heads sometimes. ^^;
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 06:38
I'm not sure if it's official, but "enju no kougyoku" is probably written as 炎綬の紅玉 in Japanese.
"kougyoku" = ruby.
The "enju" is a bit weird - the "en" part (honoo) means "flames", and "ju" part (himo) means string/cord. I thought 炎綬 might be a name of some kind, but I can't find any other references to it.
Anyway, that's where "Fire String Ruby" in the book/magazine comes from.
What the hell 炎綬 is really supposed to mean I've no idea.
EDIT
According to this official page:
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/maiotome/episodes/episodes01/index.html
It is written "炎授の紅玉"
So the "ju" part is 授 (impart; instruct; grant; confer) instead of 綬 (string, cord). But how it became "Fire String", I've no idea. I'm not sure of a good way to translate "炎授" either
himalayan
2006-01-06, 07:19
Nah I don't think it'll happen that way :) More likely it'll be used to create hostile feelings between Nina and Arika. Arika's naive, obviously has little to no experience with love and has come to associate her affection towards Sergay as romantic, while Nina's... well, obsessed. Arika's not likely to drop back, Nina's not likely to let anyone else have her daddy... bam. We have ourselves a nasty little scuffle. Sergay's reactions to her (like the little smile during the cave scene in Episode 10) didn't really say love to me. Of course, I could be proved wrong... and if I am I'll be joining the cause.
that made me feel better. much better. if arika and sergei get it on, i am dropping this series. except maybe if something shiznat happens. XD
If you look closely again at the shipwreck scene, I'd say Arika's final expression goes from confused to smiling as if for the first time she is thinking to herself "oh it wouldn't be too bad with this person"
eh? i think she was pretty much thinking 'wow, this jerk is actually nice?' XD
Qbi Sannin
2006-01-06, 07:40
I'm a bit confused. What was so special about Akane's graduation? Was it just a regular graduation to be an Otome? If so, WHY weren't the other pearls graduating beside her? If this was a graduation for her to become a Meister Otome...then WHY would she need to be assigned a Master? I thought Meisters didn't need to have Masters to serve (ie: Shizuru)
Can someone explain? I would appreciate it. Thanks.
I don't like this sudden Sergei obsession. Otome is doing the same thing Mai HiME started doing. (and the Otome manga did.) IE, suddenly making female desires for a guy the driving force.
...stop that, Sunrise. He's far more likable than Tate, but what made Tate so damn irritating was the writer demanding that we like Tate because hey look, every dang female likes Tate, and loving Tate makes the world go round.
This is one of the reasons the anime of HiME was better than the manga. And why people cheered when it looked like Tate was not going to be in Otome.
If this turns out to be the same bait and switch where Sunrise goes "Hey look, lesbians! Ha ha, now that I got your attention, I bet what you'd REALLY want is girls basing their entire self-worth on a guy!" I'm going to be very upset.
Anime Adoru
2006-01-06, 09:03
That is SUCH a ridiculous stretch in logic that it's just not funny. Again, I agree that Arika's spontaneous desire for Sergay is so random that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel for supposed "proof" of her romantic intent towards a man almost twice her age.
Certainly nothing conscious. Nice, or cute, or some romantic feelings---somewhere in that space. At her age, I think this is all pretty much mixed up. And then, after all, I'm pretty sure this is Sunrise just teasing us.
Rakshasa
2006-01-06, 09:12
...stop that, Sunrise. He's far more likable than Tate, but what made Tate so damn irritating was the writer demanding that we like Tate because hey look, every dang female likes Tate, and loving Tate makes the world go round.
I thought it was two females liking Tate, not all which you seem to suggest. His indecisiveness was what made him more human, the whole humanitiy in flaws thing. Both Mai and Tate were 'dutiful' out of guilt, I don't see people complaining about Mai?
I highly doubt that they (SUNRISE) will have Sergay return anything romantic-wise for Arika consciously. By that I mean, his way of doing things, teasing her, things like that can be easily misunderstood if she's unsure of how to interpet them as him just being friendly.
Sergey did have some naughty thoughts during his intimate time with Arika. Although that would propably happen with most males in such a situation, it still makes a connection in his mind for future use.
There just simply isn't any justification for her to suddenly have these feelings in a way that even she doesn't understand. Take Nina's feelings for Sergey, for example. There is an established behavior between the two of them which builds a justification for Nina having feelings for Sergey. I never once felt like it was a stretch for Nina to have them... they made perfect sense.
I wasn't aware love required justifications, rather I thought it was good at creating them. ;)
In any case, if you watch the anime carefully you'll notice that Arika behaves quite differently towards Sergey than any of the other characters. Except perhaps some similarities with her relationship with Mashiro-sama. And that has been going on from the first moment they met.
kari-no-sugata
2006-01-06, 09:18
I'm a bit confused. What was so special about Akane's graduation? Was it just a regular graduation to be an Otome? If so, WHY weren't the other pearls graduating beside her? If this was a graduation for her to become a Meister Otome...then WHY would she need to be assigned a Master? I thought Meisters didn't need to have Masters to serve (ie: Shizuru)
Akane's situation was a special case. After the attack ~15 years ago on Wind Bloom castle (just after Rena retired), maybe national rulers aren't too keen to be without an Otome. Either way, since the guy's current Otome was retiring (to marry), a special case was made for Akane - she's basically considered certain to graduate as a Meister, so they brought it forwards. The ceremony was for her doing a formal contract with a master, not her graduating (I'm pretty sure anyway).
From what Shizuru said to Tomoe, the school year end is coming up soon anyway - ie the Pearls will be graduating soon (some to Meisters) and so the top 25 Corals will become Pearls.
IIn any case, if you watch the anime carefully you'll notice that Arika behaves quite differently towards Sergey than any of the other characters. Except perhaps some similarities with her relationship with Mashiro-sama. And that has been going on from the first moment they met.
So by your assessment, Arika should also get the same feelings, reactions, what-have-you, when dealing with Mashiro as well. To that extent, I wouldn't call her feelings love but rather something else. Arika's behaviour towards Sergay is almost like how one would treat an annoying friend but a friend nonetheless. NOT a lover, potential suitor or the like.
And shoujo-ai options aside, he is the only eligible male character whom she had any contact with in the boarding-school. Further more, as Sharingan pointed out, Sergay really didn't have any bad points to complain about. Other than age (and if Mashiro could get married at 15, why can't her?), and the desire from the fanbase to force Arika to pair up with a female, what's the issue here?:confused:
*after watching ep. 13*
To force Arika?? have you ever seen the promo of the series?
I agree with most people of here.. this is turning SO much like My Hiime manga( yes, My hime, not My otome).. so PREDICTABLE!!! C´MON SUNRISE!!! you said YURI LESBIAN SHOUJO AI!!! why do you want to trick us??!! :frustrated:
Yeah,... i think i will stop watching the series if sergeyxArika ever happens... damn...
and Mashiro didnt get screentime.. AGAIN?:bash: *kills sunrise* Isn´t she one of the 3 main charachters?? why is she not having screen time??!! that is SO unfair!!!:frustrated: so many nonsense stuff lately.. and as the series go farther my anger goes farther too...
I want TO SEE MASHIRO, DAMN IT!!! What about the connection between her an Arika?? why are they skipping that?? the manga explained how strong the bond was... why the anime has not done anyhting about it? that is suppoused to be an importan part of the story and it seems that they are very enterteined with love affairs right now!! :mad:
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 10:55
I'm a bit confused. What was so special about Akane's graduation? Was it just a regular graduation to be an Otome? If so, WHY weren't the other pearls graduating beside her? If this was a graduation for her to become a Meister Otome...then WHY would she need to be assigned a Master? I thought Meisters didn't need to have Masters to serve (ie: Shizuru)
Can someone explain? I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Shizuru is a MEISTER and a PILLER. The piller support the school directly and does not have masters. Regular meisters do have masters. There is still debate on wheather Pillers are the strongest of the Meisters.
Confirm Pillers:
Natuski
Shizuru
Most Likely but unconfirm:
Mai
Yukariko
Miss Maria
I wonder if the other difference between a Pillar is that unlike other meisters they can't retire? it would explain Miss Maria and why Mai had to chose between being a Otome and her love.
PuRpLe CryStaL
2006-01-06, 10:59
Finally get to watch Episode 13 & the fighting/war between the Otomes seems to be hinting that we'll be seeing a repeat of what has happened during the Dragon King War (50 yrs ago) coming really soon. Why will the sound of the "organ" bring about fears and suspicions among the rulers in the western countries? The Kings became "power thirsty" to conquer more lands after the sound of Harmonium? Though it is a good ending for Akane & Kazu, but will Florence (Akane's country) use that as a reason to attack Cadhir (or how do you spell it)? So much politics are coming into picture now as I watched on. I believe it is only temporary for Arika to behave this way bcoz of her crush for Sergay. She'll find her purpose for being an Otome soon (probably when the war broke out) and she has to start thinking what is it that she is fighting for. Ohh...Tomoe smells and spells real evil this time :heh:
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 11:19
That is SUCH a ridiculous stretch in logic that it's just not funny. Again, I agree that Arika's spontaneous desire for Sergay is so random that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel for supposed "proof" of her romantic intent towards a man almost twice her age.
Now THAT theory, I can buy.
We are talking about a childhood crush, not True Love. Around that age my sister was totally in love with several different rock stars. Crushes are not logical. They happen quickly and end quickly. I am sure that Sergey will set her straight when he realizes what is happening. Her crush on Sergey makes more sense to me than Mai's feelings for Tate in MH.
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 11:25
Yes, that's what I was refering to.
Clearly most/all Meistar Otome are young. Since there's been no wars in the last 50 years (until this ep), either most Meister retire when still relatively young, or something else - I doubt it's because all their Masters are dying of old age, and I doubt that the nanomachines give eternal youth. Maybe some Otome retire because they don't like their masters, but I doubt this'd be a common reason. So I figure the reason most Meistars retire is to marry.
I don't know how much faith you can put in the fact that there have been no wars in 50 years. Technically the last war that the USA fought in ended in 1945. But to the soldiers who faught in them the "Police Actions" and such were no diffierent from declared wars.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-06, 11:32
We are talking about a childhood crush, not True Love. Around that age my sister was totally in love with several different rock stars. Crushes are not logical. They happen quickly and end quickly. I am sure that Sergey will set her straight when he realizes what is happening. Her crush on Sergey makes more sense to me than Mai's feelings for Tate in MH.
Young girls having crushes on rock stars is perfectly normal, dispite the age differences, because the rock stars are a safe, unobtainable target that seems like a 'perfect' male, since they don't know the rock star beyond what they see on stage and hear on CDs.
Girls get crushes on actors, they get crushes on rock stars... they do NOT get crushes on their roommate's dad. Arika knows Sergey personally, and the entierty of her interactions with him consist of bickering.
The worst part of this all is there is a very simple way that Sunrise could have made these feelings believable. If Arika had somehow found out that Sergey is her mysterious benefactor, I could swallow all this. But as it stands, a majority of their intractions have petty arguments.
In any case, I'm actually looking forward to seeing how the whole Arika / Nina love triangle thing works out. I just wish it had been introduced in a mildly believable and well written manner. Arika lost a whole ton of respect in this episode, while Nina gained a ton. Nina acted like a human being, was nice in the few scenes she was in, and was very cute and indignant in glasses.
Catgirls
2006-01-06, 11:36
In any case, I'm actually looking forward to seeing how the whole Arika / Nina love triangle thing works out. I just wish it had been introduced in a mildly believable and well written manner. Arika lost a whole ton of respect in this episode, while Nina gained a ton. Nina acted like a human being, was nice in the few scenes she was in, and was very cute and indignant in glasses.I have to agree about Nina. She really rose up a couple notches in my eyes in this episode. I still have hope for Arika and think this "crush" is merely a scripting device to cause tension among the three of them, but...we'll see. I think injecting these feelings just gives Nina another reason to want to fight and kill Arika. Those two will have their day and I'm sure these feelings will factor into Nina's future behavior.
Which, I must say, is a pretty cheap card to play on the part of Sunrise.
And here I was hoping Nina would get whacked in this Ep and she turns out to be the one I liked the most. Go figure.
I don't know how much faith you can put in the fact that there have been no wars in 50 years. Technically the last war that the USA fought in ended in 1945. But to the soldiers who faught in them the "Police Actions" and such were no diffierent from declared wars.
Incorrect. The Gulf War and Iraq War are more than mere "police actions".....those would be military involvements such as we were involved in Grenada, Panama, and Somalia. Our presidents (both Bushes) declared war on them. A signed declaration makes it so...police actions need no such declaration and war powers are not invoked to my knowledge. Now if you're meaning world wars then no, the US has not been in one of those since 1945. The Otome Wars, however, seem like a free for all, where every country is against another in order to gain power, with precious few allies.
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 11:44
Girls get crushes on actors, they get crushes on rock stars... they do NOT get crushes on their roommate's dad. Arika knows Sergey personally, and the entierty of her interactions with him consist of bickering.
For Arika's interactions with Sergey, I noticed a change several episodes ago when he called her Antsy and she didn't object. As for the 14 and 15 year olds, how many do you know that live at a bording school and have roommate's with unmarried fathers who look as young as Sergey. Do you even know any. I know of a case locally where an 18 year old not only got a crush on her stepfather, but she married him after he divorced her mother, who was somewhat older than him.
I'm a bit surprised about all these "OMFG Arika's mad, undying, "I'll destructinate the world for Sergay" L-O-V-E came out of the blue with no hints whatsoever. And while we're at it, let's fetch the pitchforks and torches, because we have undeniable proof that Sergay can't wait to get out of his pants and into her's" comments. Let's see how her last few encounters with Sergay went:
Ep10: He saves her from certain death by drowning, getting injured in the process and then tends to her while she suffers from hypothermia.
Ep11: On their short encounter in the park, she gets to see his caring side towards Nina, something she hasn't seen before, followed by her heart thump of doom.
Ep12: She meets him for a brief time during the state procession on the same day as ep11 occured. She gets teased by Sergay again, as he usually does.
Now we're in ep13 some unspecified time later and Arika starts to feel qeasy about some unknown condition she hasn't experienced before. Keep in mind that throughout the series she's pictured as the epitome of the pure-minded country bumpkin archetype, without the jaded, hard boiled worldview someone might have who grew up in our society. The first time she had cause to reflect on how her feelings towards Sergay may be was on the day eps11&12 took place, when Nina confronted her about that day at the beach. At this point in time, he was already her life saviour and as far as Arika was portrayed in previous episodes, I found it to be in character for her (clueless self) that she didn't think any further about Sergay before that questioning. Even though I was at first a bit surprised by her "lovestruck" behaviour at the beginning of ep13, upon reflecting on it for a bit I came to the conclusion that it's all within normal bounds of how things could happen for her.
That said, keep in mind that we don't know how strong her "interest" is supposed to be. As far as we know this could be a simple yearning for someone close now that her grandmother had died or a schoolgirl crush. I'm leaning towards the latter, because of all the blushing. From Arika's POV of course she's now led to belive that she may be "IN LOVE (tm)" with Sergay, since she hasn't any experience to discern between the various degrees of affection ranging from a little crush to full fledged love and can only go by what others in this episode have said or shown to her (namely Youko, Akane and the legend).
As for Sergay the pre-convicted pedophile, he hasn't done anything wrong so far and I doubt that anything definite will come out of this while Arika is still 15. There's of course the parallels to Daddy Longlegs, which some have mentioned before (a wonderful little story btw with an equally enjoyable anime series based on it) and it may head into this direction, but as far as actual results are concerned, I think it'll be more like laying the groundwork within the series and then something may develop later on after the series has finished. And in 10 years time, the age difference wouldn't be all that big of a problem any more.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 11:52
For Arika's interactions with Sergey, I noticed a change several episodes ago when he called her Antsy and she didn't object. As for the 14 and 15 year olds, how many do you know that live at a bording school and have roommate's with unmarried fathers who look as young as Sergey. Do you even know any. I know of a case locally where an 18 year old not only got a crush on her stepfather, but she married him after he divorced her mother, who was somewhat older than him.
*cough*Woody Allen*cough*
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 11:53
Incorrect. The Gulf War and Iraq War are more than mere "police actions".....those would be military involvements such as we were involved in Grenada, Panama, and Somalia. Our presidents (both Bushes) declared war on them. A signed declaration makes it so...police actions need no such declaration and war powers are not invoked to my knowledge. Now if you're meaning world wars then no, the US has not been in one of those since 1945. The Otome Wars, however, seem like a free for all, where every country is against another in order to gain power, with precious few allies.
I hate to destroy your knowledge, but, while the President can commit troops, only the Congress can declare "WAR". And while they authorized the use of force and gave the troops most of the benifits of being in a declared war, THEY DID NOT DECLARE WAR, so technically those were not wars. In a real war a country commits all it's resources to winning and that hasn't happened since WWII. And I think it probable in Mai Otome that there would have been many border clashes since the last major war, but no full scale hostilities.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-06, 12:06
I'm a bit surprised about all these "OMFG Arika's mad, undying, "I'll destructinate the world for Sergay" L-O-V-E came out of the blue with no hints whatsoever. And while we're at it, let's fetch the pitchforks and torches, because we have undeniable proof that Sergay can't wait to get out of his pants and into her's" comments. Let's see how her last few encounters with Sergay went:
Ep10: He saves her from certain death by drowning, getting injured in the process and then tends to her while she suffers from hypothermia.
Ep11: On their short encounter in the park, she gets to see his caring side towards Nina, something she hasn't seen before, followed by her heart thump of doom.
Ep12: She meets him for a brief time during the state procession on the same day as ep11 occured. She gets teased by Sergay again, as he usually does.
Now we're in ep13 some unspecified time later and Arika starts to feel qeasy about some unknown condition she hasn't experienced before. Keep in mind that throughout the series she's pictured as the epitome of the pure-minded country bumpkin archetype, without the jaded, hard boiled worldview someone might have who grew up in our society. The first time she had cause to reflect on how her feelings towards Sergay may be was on the day eps11&12 took place, when Nina confronted her about that day at the beach. At this point in time, he was already her life saviour and as far as Arika was portrayed in previous episodes, I found it to be in character for her (clueless self) that she didn't think any further about Sergay before that questioning. Even though I was at first a bit surprised by her "lovestruck" behaviour at the beginning of ep13, upon reflecting on it for a bit I came to the conclusion that it's all within normal bounds of how things could happen for her.
That said, keep in mind that we don't know how strong her "interest" is supposed to be. As far as we know this could be a simple yearning for someone close now that her grandmother had died or a schoolgirl crush. I'm leaning towards the latter, because of all the blushing. From Arika's POV of course she's now led to belive that she may be "IN LOVE (tm)" with Sergay, since she hasn't any experience to discern between the various degrees of affection ranging from a little crush to full fledged love and can only go by what others in this episode have said or shown to her (namely Youko, Akane and the legend).
As for Sergay the pre-convicted pedophile, he hasn't done anything wrong so far and I doubt that anything definite will come out of this while Arika is still 15. There's of course the parallels to Daddy Longlegs, which some have mentioned before (a wonderful little story btw with an equally enjoyable anime series based on it) and it may head into this direction, but as far as actual results are concerned, I think it'll be more like laying the groundwork within the series and then something may develop later on after the series has finished. And in 10 years time, the age difference wouldn't be all that big of a problem any more.
I don't think anyone's really made QUITE that dire of comments (and yes, I am aware of hyperbole :heh:, but I just wanted to clarify). To clarify, I feel that Arika is exhibiting feelings above and beyond what is reasonable for her to at this point in the series. There hasn't been, IMHO, enough positive interaction between her and Sergey to justify having what appear to be uncontrollable feelings towards him.
You say its a schoolgirl crush, or a yearning for someone to be close, but crushes are fun, warm, fuzzy, pleasureable things. They don't make people go into random panics, grabbing at their friends and screaming "Uso! Uso! Uso te itaaaa~" ["Its a lie! Its a lie! I'm telling you its a lie!"].
As far as Sergey goes, I was actually kidding about calling him a pedo (maybe that was unclear? If so, sorry.). If anything, I'm banking all of my love of Mai Otome on him, because I'm fairly certain he wouldn't exploit either of the girls like that. Come on Sergey, don't let me down.
Edit: And an excellent post, Oberon. Gave me quite a few things to mull over while crafting a response. Maybe not change my mind, but I'm seeing more of how its at least vaguely plausable to assign these feelings to her. A lot of it banks on next episode, when we see how she interacts with Sergey now that she's accnowledge these feelings.
Double Edit: Anyone else notice he calls her Arinko-kun this time?
I hate to destroy your knowledge, but, while the President can commit troops, only the Congress can declare "WAR". And while they authorized the use of force and gave the troops most of the benifits of being in a declared war, THEY DID NOT DECLARE WAR, so technically those were not wars.
I beg to differ (http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar2.html). On January 12, 1991, Congress authorized the use of force, entering the US into the Gulf War (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/, http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html).
Just because a formal declaration was not made, does not mean they are not wars. The others I mentioned (Grenada, Somalia and Panama) were merely police actions as I said in my previous post. In no way was I saying that those were wars. However, in ALL cases that I mention, Congress specifically gave the President authorization under the War Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States). Today, very few true declarations of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war) still exist (it is not even really used anymore as nations often opt to have military engagements and skirmishes rather than going through the trouble of formal declarations):
As of 2005, a few declarations of war remain in effect, though they are largely ignored and retained for only political purposes.
* North and South Korea have remained legally at war since the Korean War.
* Israel has been at war with Lebanon and Syria since the Yom Kippur War.
* Russia and Japan technically never ended their state of war following World War II. The Kuril Islands dispute is the current obstacle to the signing of a peace treaty.
* The Netherlands has never signed a peace treaty with Portugal after a conflict in 1567; thus, the two are supposedly technically still at war with each other.
* On December 23, 2005 Chad declared a "state of belligerency" ("état de belligérance") with Sudan.
In a real war a country commits all it's resources to winning and that hasn't happened since WWII. And I think it probable in Mai Otome that there would have been many border clashes since the last major war, but no full scale hostilities.
In a real war, depending on the location, a country may or may not commit ALL of its resources to winning. As a major war hasn't been fought on American soil since the Civil War, it would be impractical for us to commit all of our resources to winning a war overseas. We didn't even do that for WWII.
That may have been possible for Otome but I would think that it would have been mentioned throughout the series.
I beg to differ (http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar2.html). On January 12, 1991, Congress authorized the use of force, entering the US into the Gulf War (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/, http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html).
Just because a formal declaration was not made, does not mean they are not wars. The others I mentioned (Grenada, Somalia and Panama) were merely police actions as I said in my previous post. In no way was I saying that those were wars. However, in ALL cases that I mention, Congress specifically gave the President authorization under the War Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States). Today, very few true declarations of war still exist (it is not even really used anymore as nations often opt to have military engagements and skirmishes rather than going through the trouble of formal declarations):
In a real war, depending on the location, a country may or may not commit ALL of its resources to winning. As a major war hasn't been fought on American soil since the Civil War, it would be impractical for us to commit all of our resources to winning a war overseas. We didn't even do that for WWII.
That may have been possible for Otome but I would think that it would have been mentioned throughout the series.
Mm interesting.... who would have thought that one would be able to learn about war politics and history at one My Otome ep. topic?
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 12:16
Mm interesting.... who would have thought that one would be able to learn about war politics and history at one My Otome ep. topic?
There was a whole series of post on various political systems with the pro and cons in one of the earlier threads.
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 12:21
I beg to differ (http://www.historyguy.com/GulfWar2.html). On January 12, 1991, Congress authorized the use of force, entering the US into the Gulf War (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/cron/, http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html).
Just because a formal declaration was not made, does not mean they are not wars. The others I mentioned (Grenada, Somalia and Panama) were merely police actions as I said in my previous post. In no way was I saying that those were wars. However, in ALL cases that I mention, Congress specifically gave the President authorization under the War Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States).
In a real war, depending on the location, a country may or may not commit ALL of its resources to winning. As a major war hasn't been fought on American soil since the Civil War, it would be impractical for us to commit all of our resources to winning a war overseas. We didn't even do that for WWII.
That may have been possible for Otome but I would think that it would have been mentioned throughout the series.
I said that Congress gave the President the authority to act, but they did not declare war so they were technically not wars. If you check you will find that Korea was also a police action and it was a lot more like a war than anything you mentioned. And Vietnam was a campaign. But, as the point I was trying to make, just because the last major war in Mai Otome was 50 years ago it does not mean that the last battle was 50 years ago. I find it hard to believe that they could go 50 years without some border disputes and clashes. And the dead and wounded in border clashes and undeclared wars are no different from those in declared wars.
There was a whole series of post on various political systems with the pro and cons in one of the earlier threads.
:heh: i was not being sarcastic... i mean that is truly interesting.
Maybe a Wat tactics Otome thread would be interesting also? like wondering how the war will move and the political stuff :D
I said that Congress gave the President the authority to act, but they did not declare war so they were technically not wars.
That is also not true. If you had read the link I provided, you would know that.
If you check you will find that Korea was also a police action and it was a lot more like a war than anything you mentioned.
I never said that Korea wasn't a war. As a matter of fact, in my quote I specifically note the following:
As of 2005, a few declarations of war remain in effect, though they are largely ignored and retained for only political purposes.
* North and South Korea have remained legally at war since the Korean War.
There are MANY on-going wars that are termed such but have not been "declared" for one reason or another:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_wars
* 1949- Chinese Civil War (formally continuing, but de facto ended)
* 1950- Korean War (formally continuing, but de facto ended)
* 1964- Colombian Armed Conflict (aka Colombian Civil War, Colombian Conflict)
* Late 1960s Islamic Insurgency, Southern Philippines
* 1983- Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka
* 1984- Free Papua Movement, Western New Guinea, Indonesia
* Circa 1987- Conflict in northern Uganda
* 1988- Casamance Conflict in Senegal
* 1988- Somalian Civil War
* 1990- War of Transnistria (cease-fire agreement signed 1992, unrecognized state)
* 1991- Nagorno-Karabakh (unofficial cease-fire signed between Armenia and Azerbaijan)
* 1994- Zapatista Rebellion in Mexico
* 1996- Nepal Civil War
* 1998- Second Congo War: the bloodiest ongoing war, with an estimated 3.8 million dead
* 1999- Ituri Conflict (Democratic Republic of Congo)
* 1999- Second Chechen War (Russia)
* 2001- Civil War in Côte d'Ivoire
* 2001- South Thailand insurgency
* 2003- Darfur conflict, Sudan
* 2003- Insurgent rebellion, Iraq
* 2004- Haiti rebellion
* 2005- Chad-Sudan conflict
* 2005- Western Sahara Independence Intifada
Not all of these are democratic nations and thus do not have the same constitutional declaration of war policies that the US has.
But, as the point I was trying to make, just because the last major war in Mai Otome was 50 years ago it does not mean that the last battle was 50 years ago. I find it hard to believe that they could go 50 years without some border disputes and clashes. And the dead and wounded in border clashes and undeclared wars are no different from those in declared wars.
It could be possible...but that would involve some sort of enlightenment on the part of mankind and that is hard to imagine. But since this isn't real life, I suppose anything is possible.
imperialmog
2006-01-06, 12:32
I was thinking that any feelings dealing with Arika and Sergay is going to be used as a means to drive any conflicts between Arika and Nina. This is being set up so any clash between the two won't seem out of left field.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 12:38
Guys enough with the real life stuff. I thought we got all that out of our system with the political system posts. If you guys want to continue then pm each other. Otherwise just get back to topic.
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Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 12:52
And you are a mod since when? :eyebrow:
Do I have to be a mod to say that this whole "real life" stuff is getting out of hand :eyebrow: And that since this is a discussion thread for Episode 13 of Mai-Otome that maybe we stick to the topic because this thread is getting hijack like the last one.
Do I have to be a mod to say that this whole "real life" stuff is getting out of hand :eyebrow: And that since this is a discussion thread for Episode 13 of Mai-Otome that maybe we stick to the topic because this thread is getting hijack like the last one.
I support this person, it is an anime! no physical-reasonable laws apply from time to time :eyebrow:
Do I have to be a mod to say that this whole "real life" stuff is getting out of hand :eyebrow: And that since this is a discussion thread for Episode 13 of Mai-Otome that maybe we stick to the topic because this thread is getting hijack like the last one.
Actually much of this is very on topic. If you're going to use real life criteria in order to dissect this anime episode in the political implications it would have, what's going to happen next if a possible Otome war were to happen, these things would be discussed. This is not a random discussion. It is a debate, more or less, concerning the episode at hand. And even a few things are to be learned, as a few others have noted.
it is an anime! no physical-reasonable laws apply from time to time.
That is true but that doesn't mean that at least some of these laws wouldn't apply.
Keep it on-topic and discuss the episode at hand. (Catgirls says a little prayer.)
Sorry Catgirls God or Budha weren't loged in.:rolleyes:
PastPrime
2006-01-06, 13:48
That is also not true. If you had read the link I provided, you would know that.
I never said that Korea wasn't a war. As a matter of fact, in my quote I specifically note the following:
There are MANY on-going wars that are termed such but have not been "declared" for one reason or another:
Not all of these are democratic nations and thus do not have the same constitutional declaration of war policies that the US has.
It could be possible...but that would involve some sort of enlightenment on the part of mankind and that is hard to imagine. But since this isn't real life, I suppose anything is possible.
There is no point in arguing about terminology. Let me make, WHAT WAS MY POINT, another way. 60 years ago, on Earth, a major war ended, just as on Earl 50 years ago a major war ended. But, in those 60 years on Earth there has probably not been a single year without smaller wars and conflicts, but it has always been possible to keep them from growing. I see no reason for there not to have been smaller wars and conflicts on Earl too, just not involving Windbloom. Shizuru's job is likely trying to prevent, stop, or keep these conflicts under control.
There is no point in arguing about terminology. Let me make, WHAT WAS MY POINT, another way. 60 years ago, on Earth, a major war ended, just as on Earl 50 years ago a major war ended. But, in those 60 years on Earth there has probably not been a single year without smaller wars and conflicts, but it has always been possible to keep them from growing. I see no reason for there not to have been smaller wars and conflicts on Earl too, just not involving Windbloom. Shizuru's job is likely trying to prevent, stop, or keep these conflicts under control.
I was well aware of your point, even with the series of random statements that you made I felt you needed to clarify. And I still disagree to some extent.
This was the post that started it all:
I don't know how much faith you can put in the fact that there have been no wars in 50 years. Technically the last war that the USA fought in ended in 1945. But to the soldiers who faught in them the "Police Actions" and such were no diffierent from declared wars.
Thus I didn't just randomly interject this argument. I merely felt this was an inaccurate statement and addressed it accordingly. You should have expected that....especially since you stated it as fact.
But...giving it up, as requested.
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 15:06
*trying to steer conservation back to topic and away form politics.
Considering kazu just ran away with the meister form another country and Kaze is the son of one of three most important familiy in his country and most likely also in-line for the throne as well. Would thier happy ending help add fuel to the fire that is starting to heat up? And would Sunrise be mean enough to have kazu and Akane get married then kill Kazu off leaving Akane without her love and dream :upset:
Side Speculation: considering how much signs we are seeing of Mai in recent Eps. Whats everyone opinion of when she will be back? And alsowho is that god in the forrest that mai supposly went to see? Miyu? Katgustuchi? Obsedient Lord?
ZeusIrae
2006-01-06, 15:16
The Oswald=god of the forrest theory is not proven but I find the mere existence of this theory to be a suspicious coincidence.So perhaps Mai is on the other side,the major problem with this idea is that I don't see how it happened.
For Akane and Kazu,I can't believe their story is finished.Sunrise will do something nasty,I am sure.(yes,I want blood :D )
Shizuru-chan
2006-01-06, 16:25
Episode 13 sure surprised me :twitch: but in a good way. It was good to see Akane survived in the ep, however i have a feeling Sunrise has some pretty nasty trick up their sleeve. Well she got the man and the man got the girl..lol
Tomoe's last expression, when Arika and Shizuru started walking off..was evil...mixed with umm..angst? sadness? despair? :uhoh: Creepy
All in all it was an excellent ep in my opinion:D
Cheerio:eyespin:
Rakshasa
2006-01-06, 17:21
Dunno if this has been mentioned, but will Akane return the gem she just got? Since she eloped, she propably forgot all about it...
Tempest35
2006-01-06, 17:28
I don't think anyone's really made QUITE that dire of comments (and yes, I am aware of hyperbole :heh:, but I just wanted to clarify). To clarify, I feel that Arika is exhibiting feelings above and beyond what is reasonable for her to at this point in the series. There hasn't been, IMHO, enough positive interaction between her and Sergey to justify having what appear to be uncontrollable feelings towards him.
You say its a schoolgirl crush, or a yearning for someone to be close, but crushes are fun, warm, fuzzy, pleasureable things. They don't make people go into random panics, grabbing at their friends and screaming "Uso! Uso! Uso te itaaaa~" ["Its a lie! Its a lie! I'm telling you its a lie!"].
As far as Sergey goes, I was actually kidding about calling him a pedo (maybe that was unclear? If so, sorry.). If anything, I'm banking all of my love of Mai Otome on him, because I'm fairly certain he wouldn't exploit either of the girls like that. Come on Sergey, don't let me down.
Edit: And an excellent post, Oberon. Gave me quite a few things to mull over while crafting a response. Maybe not change my mind, but I'm seeing more of how its at least vaguely plausable to assign these feelings to her. A lot of it banks on next episode, when we see how she interacts with Sergey now that she's accnowledge these feelings.
*applauds Oberon* :bow: One of the best posts I've seen. ^_^ b and to Tremalkinger, an excellent reply back. No tension, just a pure exchange... ^__^
Back to Arika's feelings, I agree with Oberon 100%. She's most likely new to this entire 'romantic love' thing herself. She's from the rural areas and most of her companionship was taken up with her Obaa-chan, occasionally Miyu, and the local wildlife so her perspective is pretty unique to the usual people who attend Garderobe.
Personally, I see Sergay-Arika as being an uncle-niece or even older bro-younger sis kind of relationship (later on of course). Informal, somewhat argumentive yet close, but no romance in the works. She just has to get to that point. ^^v For now, I say let Sergay sweat it out - he can handle it and it's not as if he is a stranger to 'crushes'. Him dealing with Arika's crush will be a LOT easier than dealing with Nina's at any rate so why all the fuss over Arinko having a crush, even if it was 'illogical'? Would it be easier to swallow if she was crushing on Shizuru? Or even Nina? Is it really 'logical' to have a crush on a young woman destined to remain pure in order to fullfill her duty as an Otome, at any age? (Sergay/Rena) On the flip side, is it 'logical' for a young woman trying to become an Otome to form a relationship of a romantic type with a male? (Akane/Kazuya)Hey, stuff happens and 'crushes' and 'love' are just two of them. That's why there is an Otome drop-out rate.
Now, whether or not the crush morally right or wrong doesn't really matter. Crushes are nearly always one-sided until the other party learns of it - only then can a relationship be formed or none begun at all. There's nothing wrong with having a crush - it just means that you are a human. It's when they get to 'Tomoe-obsessive' that they become problematic, as we shall see in later eps I'm sure. There's still the Natsuki/Shizuru thing to be fully resolved too.
I'd like to think that everyone who was making noise about this earlier was doing so out of the fear that there might be a romantic relationship formed so quickly but this is all still one-sided - it's all in her head still. Sergay might be flattered but I don't think he's gonna wait around 3-4 MORE years for her to turn legal. As everyone knows from Ep 1, Sergey likes his women 'developed', smart and at least in their late teens, early 20's. Even from a young age, this was apparent. :P
Yes, ep. 13 surprised me too. Unfortunatly in a bad way. I fully agree with Tremalkinger in his criticism against this episode. And a part from those things... Well, the few good things I remember was... Nina in Irina's glasses and... well, I guess Akanes fight was kind of cool.
It felt much like a sort of filler episode. I mean, it's ok to have an episode focused on Akane if she was actually an important character. But I get the feeling this more or less was all that we're going to see of her. (Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong. Not that I care much about Akane as a character, but I do adore her voice actor. :p)
I do understand Akane's story is supposedly important for the main plot since the whole "choosing between being an otome and your loved one" is made a theme. I'd much rather hear Mai's story about that though. And I only need to hear it once. I understand that's one of the main flaws of the otome system, and I don't need to get that beaten into my head for 5 episodes, in 5 diffrent ways.
Next episode desperatly needs more Aswald/Midori. Or the Harmonium/Mikoto. Or Miyu. Or Mashiro. Or perhaps MAI (And I'm not talking 'obvious references that tries to look hidden but are painfully obvious' about Mai, I'm talking about her IN PERSON.) If possible, all of the alternatives. If Sunrise wants to make the next ep into yet another filler episode, they better at least make it about Shizuru and Natsuki.
I'm curious as to Arika's lack of energy. Something about the nanomachines acting up, is what I gather, but the true meaning (due to my lack of Japanese) escapes me. But then nobody made any comments about it, is seems.
Although it seems that SUNRISE tried to put the incidence into the background, I think it very much matters.
The questions I have about this incidence are as follows:
Are the nanomachines changing and becoming stronger?
Does the absence of the Meister saphires affect the nanomachines?
Will Arika be forced to use the blue stones in order to function normally?
There's more, but for now I am overwhelmed with curiosity as to what kind of change is Arika undergoing? Or is this just some kind of filler without any long-term effects?
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 18:38
I'm curious as to Arika's lack of energy. Something about the nanomachines acting up, is what I gather, but the true meaning (due to my lack of Japanese) escapes me. But then nobody made any comments about it, is seems.
Although it seems that SUNRISE tried to put the incidence into the background, I think it very much matters.
The questions I have about this incidence are as follows:
Are the nanomachines changing and becoming stronger?
Does the absence of the Meister saphires affect the nanomachines?
Will Arika be forced to use the blue stones in order to function normally?There's more, but for now I am overwhelmed with curiosity as to what kind of change is Arika undergoing? Or is this just some kind of filler without any long-term effects?
What if Arika is the Dark Otome we see in the opening :twitch: Her nanos could be changing due to contract with Mashiro.
Do you guys think we will a Dark Arika :eyespin: Sunrise did gave us a very angry Mai in MH :eyebrow:
scribbly
2006-01-06, 19:08
What if Arika is the Dark Otome we see in the opening :twitch: Her nanos could be changing due to contract with Mashiro.
Do you guys think we will a Dark Arika :eyespin: Sunrise did gave us a very angry Mai in MH :eyebrow:
Isn't the dark otome in the beginning mai? the only otome to thus far be a silouette in her adult form the entire series (except in the pearl poster).
Regarding pillers:
Someone already wondered/stated/somethined about whether or not pillers could retire. It strikes me as very odd that Shizura, Natsuki, and Mai became piller meister otome around the same time. (this is an assumption, yes) I should say, 3 vacancies opened up in the pillars around the time for Mai and Natsuki and Shizura (though a year earlier) to become pillars. Did the pillers retire? It seems like an incredible security concern to let a pillar go off and retire after having access to the information the school harbors. Did they die? I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this.
I also can't understand why they'd decide to make mai into a piller knowing how she felt about love vs duty. To me that seems like the worst type of person to be "masterless". Unless fumi does reside in the all... :eyebrow: then we start getting that whole destiny fate thing...
Speaking of Fumi, I thought it was a wonderful effect to show her smiling portrait during Akane's ceremony, and especially when she runs to Kazu. It was as if Fumi was blessing her.
What else... it was also very interesting that no rulers went to the ceremony but all of the ones we know of sent representatives on their behalf. As opposed to Mashiro's ceremony where they all went with the otome. Not surprising, just interesting. I love seeing Aoi in her formal getup.
Sergey, Tate, and etc... I would agree with anyone who thinks sergey is somehow connected to Mai. Maybe there is a tate, maybe there isn't. But sergey is extremely considerate of otome and their love interests. At least of Akane and Kazu. I like to think this is not due to his experience with Rena, but with some knowledge of Mai. oh yes! and Nina seemed to know Mai's story awfully well. Maybe a bedtime story from Sergey?
I had other comments... that I cannot remember anymore
Xellos-_^
2006-01-06, 19:18
Isn't the dark otome in the beginning mai? the only otome to thus far be a silouette in her adult form the entire series (except in the pearl poster).
Mai was confirm as the one in the shadow with the fire all around her.
No has confirm who the Dark otome is with moon in the backdrop and a big sword in hand
Regarding pillers:
Someone already wondered/stated/somethined about whether or not pillers could retire.
I speculate that a few pages back, althought i am not sure if i was the first.
It strikes me as very odd that Shizura, Natsuki, and Mai became piller meister otome around the same time. (this is an assumption, yes) I should say, 3 vacancies opened up in the pillars around the time for Mai and Natsuki and Shizura (though a year earlier) to become pillars.
We don't know if they became pillers a the same time. Since we know the school has the knowledge to nullfiied a contract. Maybe the Regular meister first then when a opening came up they were made a offer to being Pillars.
Did the pillers retire? It seems like an incredible security concern to let a pillar go off and retire after having access to the information the school harbors. Did they die? I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this.
Considering how old Miss Maria, i am guess they can't retire like normal Meisters. Most likely they stay in office till death. it would explain Mai's reluctance to being a pillar. Since a normal Meister could choose to retire after a certain number of years.
I also can't understand why they'd decide to make mai into a piller knowing how she felt about love vs duty. To me that seems like the worst type of person to be "masterless". Unless fumi does reside in the all... :eyebrow: then we start getting that whole destiny fate thing...
Maybe they didn't know.
What else... it was also very interesting that no rulers went to the ceremony but all of the ones we know of sent representatives on their behalf. As opposed to Mashiro's ceremony where they all went with the otome. Not surprising, just interesting.
the rulers are all probably plotting against each.
No comments on Srgy/Tate till we know more but i am re-reading my bomb making handbook just in case i need it :heh:
I wonder why no one has notice these similiarities:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/kisu2.jpghttp://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/11364796366243rf.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/_A-Source_Lililicious__Maria-sama_g.jpg= http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/Mai-Otome20-201320-2016.jpg
Shizuru-san becoming like Satou Sei(Marimite) & Arika like Yumi
Sorry for the random picture sizes.Still a noob
scribbly
2006-01-06, 20:24
Mai was confirm as the one in the shadow with the fire all around her.
No has confirm who the Dark otome is with moon in the backdrop and a big sword in hand
oh THAT woman. I always took her to be Shizura but that's obviously not the case. For that one, I find it difficult to believe Arika would give up the azure sapphire, and even more difficult to believe it would become like that... so it would be super crazy if it turned out to be Arika.
Glass Cannon
2006-01-06, 21:13
I wonder why no one has notice these similiarities:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/kisu2.jpghttp://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/11364796366243rf.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/_A-Source_Lililicious__Maria-sama_g.jpg= http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/vroom_tech/Mai-Otome20-201320-2016.jpg
Shizuru-san becoming like Satou Sei(Marimite) & Arika like Yumi
Sorry for the random picture sizes.Still a noob
Actually, someone said Shizuru had pulled a Rosa Gigantea a page or two back (can't remember who, lone wolf maybe?) ^_^ But always love seeing more Sei~~
I have to say, Arika's reactions cracked me up...."No way!" :heh: I think she's just as petrified that her sickness might have something to do with Sergay. Nina's reaction was priceless...("Huh?!" *surprised look*). It seems that Nina is finally starting to warm up to Arika when this silliness (the possibility of a Sergay/Arika pairing) crops up. Shizuru has definitely taken a shine to Arika. I've never seen her be so affectionate to anyone but Natsuki.
That being said, I think one of the reasons why Shizuru is so attached to Arika is for her earnestness and her innocent rapport. Arika does a bit of hero worship of Shizuru but not to the sickening lengths most of the students tend to go to. Arika sees her as someone to emulate but treats her more as a person than as an unattainable object or idol. Shizuru and Arika have natural, relaxed conversations, as if they'd known each other forever. What a feat for an unknown student! Tomoe could use a few lessons from Arika in that regard. That type of behaviour seems to make Shizuru close in on herself and become distant. Arika managed to touch Shizuru's humanity and that's no small feat. Like I said before, the only other person that seems to have been able to do that is Natsuki.
Tremalkinger
2006-01-06, 22:58
Yes, ep. 13 surprised me too. Unfortunatly in a bad way. I fully agree with Tremalkinger in her criticism against this episode. And a part from those things... Well, the few good things I remember was... Nina in Irina's glasses and... well, I guess Akanes fight was kind of cool.
Fixed it for ya. No worries. But its nice to know someone agrees with me.
Anyway... I don't really feel as bad about it as I did before. If you had asked me the night after I watched the episode... I was pretty doom and gloom about the future of Mai Otome. But there's plenty of room to recover here, and I'm going to put faith in Sunrise. But we've got precious few episodes left. A few things I'm really hoping for:
1) More Shizuru / Natsuki development, hopefully some drama. Not between them, but them fighting together against something.
2) Natsuki materializing.
3) Mai! An explanation of her backstory. And give her some time with Takumi.
4) Speaking of which... give Takumi / Akira some more screentime before they die again.
5) The star of my avatar could use some more screentime... but
6) ...most of all, Erstin! Oh god, give this poor girl some more development before you kill her. I know you're going to Sunrise, and I'll hate you for it, but I'm prepared. But let me love her some more before you crush me.
6) ...most of all, Erstin! Oh god, give this poor girl some more development before you kill her. I know you're going to Sunrise, and I'll hate you for it, but I'm prepared. But let me love her some more before you crush me.
Hear hear! It'll so traumatise the both the fandom and cast alike but you know it's going to happen :( Poor Erstin, she'll never get to do the yuri...
Interesting thoughts on Arika/Shizuru too Kieli, that seems to be right on. Tomoe should've noticed how Shizuru changed between talking to her and Arika :)
Hear hear! It'll so traumatise the both the fandom and cast alike but you know it's going to happen :( Poor Erstin, she'll never get to do the yuri...
I know I know! I'll die if they hurt Erstin :(
Interesting thoughts on Arika/Shizuru too Kieli, that seems to be right on. Tomoe should've noticed how Shizuru changed between talking to her and Arika :)
You'd have thought...but she DID notice just in all the wrong ways. Can we say Psycho Tomoe? That's not good either!
bluegarden
2006-01-06, 23:45
3) Mai! An explanation of her backstory. And give her some time with Takumi.
in which episode is this going to happen?? or are you just assuming?
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