Fate/stay night Q&A

[Xellos-_^]

I don't think it's that so much as that Rin is more aggressive, and won't hesitate to fight back ... whereas Sakura ... well, we all know how she is :)

I don't know.

Ep18 has Sakura in a leather outfit which suggest Sakura has a side none of us has seen it. :D :p :naughty:

[PhantomX]

I think she's still under Caster's influence there, but we shall see ...

[iamandragon]

There's something I did not grasp well about Caster commenting on Tohsaka.

Almost at the end of episode sixteen, Caster reviews her potential sacrifices for the Holy Grail picking Sakura over Rin.

Caster acknowledges that Rin has the skills and wisdom for sorcery, as well as a tremendous amount of mana and a stainless pedigree as a magician in her bloodline, however, she discards Rin because berates that Tohsaka is tomboyish.

I don't see fit to Casters' remarks on Rin being tomboyish. Everywhere and always throughout each episode, Tohsaka has displayed her skills with the most graceful manners, and if I beg everyone's pardon her sensuality.

Even in the following episode, an ashamed Saber confessed to Shirou that her body is no near feminine as Rin's.

So, Caster sees of Rin as a tomboy based on what?
Or is it that Caster has her own, predefined set of guidelines as to how a lady must behave?

Tohsaka has skill, but compared to Sakura, who is completely corroded by magic circuits, Sakura has much higher mana capacity. If you put the mana count into statistics, Rin's mana count would be around 300, Saber's around 1000 while Sakura has a 100,000,000.(Figures quoted from Heaven's Feel)

[Flare_Dragon]

...
Rin?! What happened to rin?!!

[iamandragon]

She will survive, don't worry. The director still wants to live...at least up till now.

[Demongod86]

Sakura in leather...I hope she's trying to emulate a certain Servant she's trying to get.

[PhantomX]

Demon ... I want Rider back as much as you ... but enough repeating it -___-

[Guido]

For Sakura, episode 18.


How come chibi-Sakura had the same hair and eye-color as Rin, but the current Sakura has both her hair and color dyed purple?

[MakubeX2]

For Sakura, episode 18.


How come chibi-Sakura had the same hair and eye-color as Rin, but the current Sakura has both her hair and color dyed purple?


Same reason behind Shiro to Archer.

[Alu]

For Sakura, episode 18.


How come chibi-Sakura had the same hair and eye-color as Rin, but the current Sakura has both her hair and color dyed purple?


imamandragon had already answered this question in the episode 18 discussion thread; about 3 times too I think.. :p
And since she is getting a bit tired of doing it.., I'd better just quote her :)

So.., here is the answer :


Sakura's hair was originally black like Tohsaka's since they're sisters. It turned purple when she got filled up with magic circuits. The purple is a sign of corrosion.

[iamandragon]

imamandragon had already answered this question in the episode 18 discussion thread; about 3 times too I think.. :p
And since she is getting a bit tired of doing it.., I'd better just quote her :)

So.., here is the answer :

Thanks a lot Alu...*kiss*

[iamandragon]

An interview with the director of Fate/Stay Night, Yuji Yamaguchi

Q: First impression of the game?

Yuji: Very interesting! However, it's really hard to animate this game. A large amount of content have to be included from all three scenarios, and it did kill a lot of my brain cells trying to unite them.

Q: The most exciting part?

Yuji: Ug~There is no way to conclude this in one sentence. If I must say so, the whole idea of Fate is very stunning. All the staffs and viewers are exited by different sections of the anime. Someo said it's the battle scene which turned them on; while some are touched by Archer's idealism and his selfishness about his relation with Rin. Basically, Mister Nasu is such a charming person that people of all ages will be deeply touched by his production.

Q: During the making of the animation, have you exchanged information with Type-Moon?

Yuji: A lot of trivial question about the visual parts. I have asked so many questions that I think they get annoyed sometimes. I feel like someone asking for their money back: 'Please answer!'(smile) I think some parts that aren't explained in the game should be exhibited in the anime, and some other things I'm interested. Based on their information I was about to make this amazing anime!

Q: How did you try to show the coolness of the original game when animating it?

Yuuji: The game is not still pictures like other visual novels, they are moving! I hope to express that my way. The animation did not detour from the game itself, so I hope those who played the game will think 'Ahh~That's something I've been waiting for!' when watching the anime. That's my target. And also to attract the attention of those who watched the anime without playing the game itself. To make the gamers feel more excited I also put some minor add-ons. I really hope this anime will be liked by the majority who watched it.

Q: Let's talk about the characters in the story, about Shirou?

Yuuji: A 17 years old school boy. Sometimes stubborn and immature, but sometimes very roused. A complicated character that's hard to describe in one word. A really charming character! I sometimes see myself inside Shirou

Q: about Saber?

Yuuji: A cold beauty, a knight. But her ladiness is where her charm lies. I think girls will think her great at first sight. A type of person who is strict and hard to socialize with. However this personality of hers makes her a real, for the viewers to feel her existance.

Q: about Rin?

Yuuji: The one who told Shirou about magic and the Holy Grail War. She acts like a guide in the story. Rin's appearance is quite cool also. A little devil who likes to play with others apart from birthdays and Christmas.

Q: Archer?

Yuuji: A boy with great vision. His cool look is really attractive, and therefore he got all those girl fans. Voiced by Mister 诹访部(I'm sorry...I just can't translate names...), it's a thing the girls are looking forward to. Don't you think Mister 诹访部 is a lucky person? However Archer is a realitism, so it might get a bit hard to get a long with him...

Q: Sakura?

Yuuji: I bet everyone want a girlfriend like her! The staffs all say Sakura is a really good girl, easilly standing up to girls Saber and Rin. I was touched when Shirou took Sakura to somewhere famous for a date while Sakura told him 'I'm fine with the Rammen Shop next doors as long as I'm with Senpai' I really admire girls like Sakura.(smile)

Q: What's the seeling point of the whole story?

Yuuji: This is almost like a manga. Always new enemies with lots of battle scenes is the biggest hit for this product. I think this is a perfect blend of Shonen and Shoujo, so pleas all fans look forward to it!

Q: Anything else you want to say to the fans out there?

Yuuji: Either you have played the game or not, this animation will never disappoint you, so please look forward to it!


　　对原作游戏的第一印象是什么？

　　山口：非常有意思啊！但是，这部作品动画化起来却是有点难啊。因为故事容量大，整个故事分为三条线索展 开，怎样把故事变得统一紧凑确实煞费脑筋。

Q特别精彩之处在哪里呢？

　　山口：呃~这恐怕没法用一句话来概括吧（笑）。如果要说的话，我觉得象那种跨越时空的大型历史剧一样的 宏伟气派会让人赏心悦目。STAFF和观众们都说很精彩，但是，对于究竟哪个地方精彩却是众说纷纭意见不一 。有的人认为是少年漫画性的极尽华丽与热血的战斗场面最有意思，也有的人认为是 Archer的唯美、对凛的自私的关系描述。基本上，因为有进行原作剧本创作的奈须先生的魅力，所以，不论 哪个年龄阶层的人都被难免被深深打动吧。

在制作的时候，与原作Type-Moon进行了怎样的交流呢？

　　山口： 都是问一些视觉部分的细小问题。我的问题那么多，对方也许都要烦了（笑）。象讨债的人一样追问 着"请回答！"（笑）。我想对于游戏里没有描述的部分最好描述一下，还有那些想知道的问题，以这些为基础，这就是使作品变 得精彩的理念！


　　动画化时打算怎样体现原作的魅力呢？

　　山口： 游戏不是静止的画面，它是会动的！我希望把它变成我想要表现的形式。作品基本上没有偏离原作的精神，我想让 玩过这个游戏的人在看动画版时会不由自主地觉得，啊~让人期待已久的作品终于出来了！我正是以此为目标而努 力的。从动画版第一次接触这个故事的人当然会喜欢的，为了使玩过游戏的人觉得更过瘾我们还增加了一些东西。 并且，希望看过的人都会说很精彩，因此心里总想着增添多一些引发兴趣的因素。


　　关于剧中角色有什么看法呢？首先请谈谈士郎吧？

　　山口：无论长多大都感觉还是孩子的17岁男生。有时很固执，有时会有不太成熟的烦恼、有时又热血澎湃， 总之性格复杂很难用一句话概括。真的是一个极富魅力的角色哦！看的人似乎总可以在他身上找到自 己的影子。


　　那再谈谈Saber吧？

　　山口：一个冷艳美女，属于骑士，但是她的女性风采可以说是她的魅力所在吧。女孩子看了应该会觉得她很棒 。其性格属于一板一眼，端端正正，不容易通融的那一类型。但是，正是因为这种类型，不会给人虚假的感觉，很 有意思的。


　　那么凛是一个怎样的人？

　　山口：告诉士郎魔术和圣杯战争的人，在故事里起着指引的作用。凛的出演也是十分精彩的。我觉得她是个似 乎除了生日、圣诞前夕不会，经常喜欢恶作剧的小恶魔。（笑）

　　Archer是一个怎样的人呢？

　　山口：很有抱负的男孩子。酷酷的样子很吸引人，似乎深受女孩子们的欢迎，因为配音是诹访部先生，这对女 孩子们来说是相当期待的。诹访部先生作为演员是不是很幸运呢？但是，Archer是个现实主义者，和他一起 共事似乎有点难哦。

　　樱是一个怎样的人？

　　山口：一定希望她成为女朋友吧！（笑）。系列构成的佐藤先生和其他的STAFF成员也说樱是个很好的女 孩子，和Saber、凛这样的女孩子在一起看起来就会更辛苦。一说到要带樱去那些有名的约会场 所，可是她说"只要能和前辈在一起，到附近的拉面馆就好了"。我很欣赏樱那样的女孩子！（笑）。
整个故事的看点是什么呢？

　　山口：这是充满少年漫画性质的，有着不断出现的新敌人和战争场面的气派宏伟是整部作品的看点。我认为整 部作品是少年漫画和少女漫画的完美结合，所以请FANS们密切关注！


　　还要对FANS们说点什么吗？

　　山口：不管对于玩过这个游戏的也好，还是初次接触动画版的也好，都一定不会令你们失望的，所以请大家一 定关注！


translated and edited by iamandragon

[gammaoh]

Dood, you're just great, let me KISS YA!

More seriously, you've done a very good job and I'm sure it was no fun to translate this article. Thanks again!

On a side note, the director seems clearly on Saber's side... Or I'm maybe getting biaised 'cause that's what I want to see.

[iamandragon]

Don't worry...I'm doing languages in university, so doing this is just like revision to me...

P.S. Yes you can kiss me, on my cheek only.

[Demongod86]

I'm just wondering how they're going to set up for Fate Hollow Ataraxia if half of the Servants are dead.

[PhantomX]

Not even the actual game sets up for Hollow Ataraxia in any of the scenarios ... it just happens that everyone is alive ... I don't know if they explain it later ... b/c I haven't found any translations.

[aldeayeah]

A question about the game...

When I read the stats of the Servants in Moonlit World, there was one thing that left me puzzled - all those funky-named Skills. Does anybody know what's the deal with them?

Some of them are kinda self-explaining, like "Divinity" or "Charisma", but, for example, what's the meaning of Caster's "Golden Fleece"? A powerful artifact, maybe?

I know about the myth of the Argonauts and the Golden Fleece, but I was wondering what's its meaning in the context of the game...

Same question about other exotic Skills like Gil's "Golden Rule", Lancer's "Rune"...

[iamandragon]

Lancer's Rune...I've seen data somewhere in Chinese...lemme find and translate it for you...

[Demongod86]

Not even the actual game sets up for Hollow Ataraxia in any of the scenarios ... it just happens that everyone is alive ... I don't know if they explain it later ... b/c I haven't found any translations.

I guess then it'd be a mix of the best parts of all endings? That is, Saber survives and never turns evil, Rider survives because of the HF scenario, Caster, uhhh...revivomatic? I still think HFA would make quite a ratings splash. Coming off of something so serious as FSN and then having a complete harem anime in HFA :heh:. 24 episodes of sheer kick-back-and-smile comedy, like Saber cleaning out the cupboards a bit too often, Rider instead being READER, you get the idea =P.

I'm still wondering what HFA could be on since nobody's after each other's throats anymore :heh:

[PhantomX]

I guess then it'd be a mix of the best parts of all endings? That is, Saber survives and never turns evil, Rider survives because of the HF scenario, Caster, uhhh...revivomatic? I still think HFA would make quite a ratings splash. Coming off of something so serious as FSN and then having a complete harem anime in HFA :heh:. 24 episodes of sheer kick-back-and-smile comedy, like Saber cleaning out the cupboards a bit too often, Rider instead being READER, you get the idea =P.

I'm still wondering what HFA could be on since nobody's after each other's throats anymore :heh:

It has a lot of fanservices stuff (like Caster trying to learn how to cook) ... and yes, Rider DID join the harem.

And Dark Saber shows up ... but only if they pull the little hair that sticks out on her head :P

[Demongod86]

Caster: hmmmm...just add a little bit of heat like so *fireballs the chicken*...crap. >.<

ROFL @ Dark Saber...

Rider: *yanks hair*

Saber: *turns to Dark Saber* RAWR!!!!!!!!!!! O:<

[Rich]

is Saber or Shirou in love with either one?
(just bored out on another typical sunday afternoon)

[Demongod86]

When you have as many girls around as Shirou does, I think it's tough to make a choice. Between Rin, Saber, Sakura, and even Rider later...so many choices!

[Alu]

When you have as many girls around as Shirou does, I think it's tough to make a choice. Between Rin, Saber, Sakura, and even Rider later...so many choices!

You forgot Shirou has Ilya aswell.., and Taiga..
Yes.., he truly has a Harem.. :p

[Demongod86]

Forget Lolli and tiger. Who doesn't want a hott purple haired nerd as a girlfriend? That is, unless she's not reserved by Sakura...

[iamandragon]

When you have as many girls around as Shirou does, I think it's tough to make a choice. Between Rin, Saber, Sakura, and even Rider later...so many choices!

Thought it'll be funny if I do this Q&A...>.<

The 'who in Fate as wife' Q&A!

Saber:
-To be with Saber will get boring soon, since Saber is not a person with much interests.
-Saber was a part of the royal family(and the top of it, too), so don't bother thinking that she could help you in the house chorus at all. Aside from that, you will have to make living easy for her, from breakfast to lucn to dinner. AND you can't just cook junk food for her 'cause she won't approve of it. On top of that you have to do the washing up, floor mopping, window cleaning, shopping...Didn't Shirou gave you a good example?
-Only advantage of Saber is that you don't need to spend too much money on her since she's not into anything at all.

Rin:
-You won't get bord with Rin---ever. Rin's the little devil she is that you life will never be the way it was.
-Can help with the house chorus, since she used to live alone anyways.
-Big sister power! You will always be protected by Rin whenever you're in trouble--Rin will never let those who bully you get away.
-Only problem is that living with Rin costs quite a lot. The Tohsaka family is well known for being poor for spending a ton of money on magic--in other words, gems...You will be working 25 hours a day to earn the upkeep for Rin...(yes, 25 hours a day, you have to figure out the extra hour by yourself)

Caster:
-Please don't betray her, you will die a horrible death.
-Elegant, graceful, smart(not everyone can cheat in the holy grail war like that...)
-I'm pretty sure Caster can manage everything in the house--the only chorus you have to do is to feed pretty much loving to her.
-Dominatrix! Lots of fun if you're into it...(look at episode 18!)
-Just make sure you don't betray her at all
-Oh, and, don't taste Caster's cooking. Order take-away

Rider:
-B88/56/84
-Even though she look grim she's actually quite kind and loyal
-Just watchout for her eyes okay?

Illya:
-to all Lolicons, warning. Illya is even older than Rin, despite her looks...
-A comfortable life guarenteed if you're with her. Short on money? "let's go back to my castle and get another box of gold!"

Sakura:
-B85/56/87
-Sakura understands you
-Sakura cares about you
-Sakura is kind-hearted
-Sakura will listens to you no matter what.
-Sakura always put you on first priority
-Sakura can do all the house chorus for you(yes!)
-Sakura can cook
-Sakura has lots of money(from the Matou family, since she's the heir...)
-Sakura has no disadvantages.

-Sakura is very initiative at sex, very initiative.

-Only disadvantage is that Sakura can turn dark when unstable, attracting another group of fans.

[stormy001_M1A2]

actually Caster has to swallow her pride and asked Shirou how to cook food in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia.

[iamandragon]

Ahh...forgot...a princess can't cook...made a bit of alteration to it.

[Shikimori Kazuki]

Q. Anyone know the name and artist of the ending song in episode 14? the ending song for Archer.

[iamandragon]

Name: Hikari
Artist: Jyukai

[Demongod86]

Ehhh, that's all for Rider? What about the fact that she's super-intelligent and will read every last word in the house? And with her 1337 Ninja skills, odds are Rider will know how to use magic to have every little chore done...cuz she's that smart. And her eyes don't turn you to stone...they slow and stun.

Caster...hahahahahaha. I think you're giving her more credit than she's worth...get her pissed off and you're dead.

Saber: ehhh, she does her share of cleaning/helping with chores...she helps wash dishes and clean up. But mostly she's asleep and has an appetite of a super saiyan. (Maybe cuz she is one :p)

Sakura: no, I'd rather have someone more nerdy and hotter. Namely Rider.

[Alu]

Ehhh, that's all for Rider? What about the fact that she's super-intelligent and will read every last word in the house? And with her 1337 Ninja skills, odds are Rider will know how to use magic to have every little chore done...cuz she's that smart. And her eyes don't turn you to stone...they slow and stun..

..Sakura: no, I'd rather have someone more nerdy and hotter. Namely Rider.

Your WAY too addicted to Rider... :rolleyes:

[PhantomX]

IMO, the wifeliness goes in this order:

Sakura > Rin (she offered to cook once :P) > Rider > Caster (just don't get her jealous XD) > Illya > Saber or Taiga (lol, they'ld eat you out of house and home :heh:)

[iamandragon]

Ehhh, that's all for Rider? What about the fact that she's super-intelligent and will read every last word in the house? And with her 1337 Ninja skills, odds are Rider will know how to use magic to have every little chore done...cuz she's that smart. And her eyes don't turn you to stone...they slow and stun.

Caster...hahahahahaha. I think you're giving her more credit than she's worth...get her pissed off and you're dead.

Saber: ehhh, she does her share of cleaning/helping with chores...she helps wash dishes and clean up. But mostly she's asleep and has an appetite of a super saiyan. (Maybe cuz she is one :p)

Sakura: no, I'd rather have someone more nerdy and hotter. Namely Rider.

I didn't say they turn you into stone. Just told you to watch out.

The only way to piss Caster off is:
a) you betray her
b) someone piss you off(provided you're her love)

IMO, the wifeliness goes in this order:

Sakura > Rin (she offered to cook once :P) > Rider > Caster (just don't get her jealous XD) > Illya > Saber or Taiga (lol, they'ld eat you out of house and home :heh:)

Rin is actually quite good at cooking, especially western cuisines.(even Shirou admitted it)
And rin cooked more than once in the games/novel/manga(wait, I'm uncertain about the manga bit...)

[iamandragon]

Fate/Stay Night gag FAQ2:

Who's got the biggest breast in Fate/Stay Night?
Beserker...

[iamandragon]

I just thought about this...

Many people were asking why Saber's sword was visible since episode 17...here's my version of theory to it...

Saber's sword is invisible because of a wind enchantment casted on it right? Before, Saber kept the enchantment on her sword so the others would not recognize it as it's too darned famous. But after Beserker is defeated there's only Caster, Lancer and Assassin left. Caster is always voyeur so it's easy for her to know who Saber is. Assassin is with Caster so he knows. Lancer is considered nothing because she have already beat Lancer already--and that's when Lancer used his Noble Phantasm. So Saber sees no need to conceal her identity anymore(since everyone either know who she is or she don't care about them). That's why her sword is not invisible anymore--she don't want to waste mana to cast another enchantment on it before going to battle.

[Xellos-_^]

How about Fate/Stay Nigh School Rumble Hollow Axteria as a sequel :heh:

Rider = Mikoto
Caster = Akira
Rin/Sakura = yakumo/Tenma
Sabre = Eri

[gammaoh]

Thought it'll be funny if I do this Q&A...>.<

The 'who in Fate as wife' Q&A!

Saber:
-To be with Saber will get boring soon, since Saber is not a person with much interests.
-Saber was a part of the royal family(and the top of it, too), so don't bother thinking that she could help you in the house chorus at all. Aside from that, you will have to make living easy for her, from breakfast to lucn to dinner. AND you can't just cook junk food for her 'cause she won't approve of it. On top of that you have to do the washing up, floor mopping, window cleaning, shopping...Didn't Shirou gave you a good example?
-Only advantage of Saber is that you don't need to spend too much money on her since she's not into anything at all.

Rin:
-You won't get bord with Rin---ever. Rin's the little devil she is that you life will never be the way it was.
-Can help with the house chorus, since she used to live alone anyways.
-Big sister power! You will always be protected by Rin whenever you're in trouble--Rin will never let those who bully you get away.
-Only problem is that living with Rin costs quite a lot. The Tohsaka family is well known for being poor for spending a ton of money on magic--in other words, gems...You will be working 25 hours a day to earn the upkeep for Rin...(yes, 25 hours a day, you have to figure out the extra hour by yourself)

Caster:
-Please don't betray her, you will die a horrible death.
-Elegant, graceful, smart(not everyone can cheat in the holy grail war like that...)
-I'm pretty sure Caster can manage everything in the house--the only chorus you have to do is to feed pretty much loving to her.
-Dominatrix! Lots of fun if you're into it...(look at episode 18!)
-Just make sure you don't betray her at all
-Oh, and, don't taste Caster's cooking. Order take-away

Rider:
-B88/56/84
-Even though she look grim she's actually quite kind and loyal
-Just watchout for her eyes okay?

Illya:
-to all Lolicons, warning. Illya is even older than Rin, despite her looks...
-A comfortable life guarenteed if you're with her. Short on money? "let's go back to my castle and get another box of gold!"

Sakura:
-B85/56/87
-Sakura understands you
-Sakura cares about you
-Sakura is kind-hearted
-Sakura will listens to you no matter what.
-Sakura always put you on first priority
-Sakura can do all the house chorus for you(yes!)
-Sakura can cook
-Sakura has lots of money(from the Matou family, since she's the heir...)
-Sakura has no disadvantages.

-Sakura is very initiative at sex, very initiative.

-Only disadvantage is that Sakura can turn dark when unstable, attracting another group of fans.

Well, Sakura would be soooo boring IMO. I'd better have a go with Saber or Rin, and royalty just suits me LOL.

[Xellos-_^]

Well, Sakura would be soooo boring IMO. I'd better have a go with Saber or Rin, and royalty just suits me LOL.

How would Sakura be consider boring with her intrest in leather :eyebrow: :heh: :D

[Shiroth]

At the end of the day its not down to a chart - its upto a persons interests and what female they're into from Fate/Stay Night.

[iamandragon]

I'll pick whoever does the most housework for me...and naturally Sakura...I don't mind being in bed with Sakura occationally, though...

[PhantomX]

Really, can I just have them all? I don't need to decide, I'll become polygamous, I'm willing to make a 'sacrifice' :P

[aldeayeah]

Everybody forgets about poor Ayako! Rin & Ayako forever!

I just thought about this...

Many people were asking why Saber's sword was visible since episode 17...here's my version of theory to it...

Saber's sword is invisible because of a wind enchantment casted on it right? Before, Saber kept the enchantment on her sword so the others would not recognize it as it's too darned famous. But after Beserker is defeated there's only Caster, Lancer and Assassin left. Caster is always voyeur so it's easy for her to know who Saber is. Assassin is with Caster so he knows. Lancer is considered nothing because she have already beat Lancer already--and that's when Lancer used his Noble Phantasm. So Saber sees no need to conceal her identity anymore(since everyone either know who she is or she don't care about them). That's why her sword is not invisible anymore--she don't want to waste mana to cast another enchantment on it before going to battle.

Maybe it's a side effect of being stabbed with Rule Breaker... although, considering that Assassin lectured her the last time she used the wind sheath, it's understandable that she doesn't use it against him anymore.

And I don't think Saber would agree about Lancer not being a threat. She didn't manage to even scratch him back in the day, although she made him use his NP (which she resisted out of pure luck) and reveal his identity. So in that sense, he was certainly defeated. But it's not like he can be brushed off that easily.

(I have to defend the honor of my avatar, after all!)

If Kirei wasn't such a jerk, we could have seen a nice fight after that. Of course, we all know Lancer would have ended as a fashionable blood stain on the walls of Shirou's house, via Excalibur, but it would have been fun to see nonetheless.

[Shiroth]

Ayako really has been left out of the anime.. and to think how much you get of her in F/HA. <3

[iamandragon]

Everybody forgets about poor Ayako! Rin & Ayako forever!



Maybe it's a side effect of being stabbed with Rule Breaker... although, considering that Assassin lectured her the last time she used the wind sheath, it's understandable that she doesn't use it against him anymore.

And I don't think Saber would agree about Lancer not being a threat. She didn't manage to even scratch him back in the day, although she made him use his NP (which she resisted out of pure luck) and reveal his identity. So in that sense, he was certainly defeated. But it's not like he can be brushed off that easily.

(I have to defend the honor of my avatar, after all!)

If Kirei wasn't such a jerk, we could have seen a nice fight after that. Of course, we all know Lancer would have ended as a fashionable blood stain on the walls of Shirou's house, via Excalibur, but it would have been fun to see nonetheless.

Wrong. If Saber uses Excalibur Lancer would not end up on the walls of Shirou's house. There will be no house left for Lancer to lean on.

[Alu]

Maybe it's a side effect of being stabbed with Rule Breaker... although, considering that Assassin lectured her the last time she used the wind sheath, it's understandable that she doesn't use it against him anymore.


I actualy posted the same question on the episode 18 discussion thread; taking a few words of mine from there I speculate that..

In the past fights vs Caster and Kuzuki, Saber did not choose to conceal her sword (ExCalibur) because Caster surely already knew her true identity, for she had been observing all the events (except 1 - Gil) since the begining of the story.

Plus, she had fought Assassin before, and when she did, even using ExCalibur invisible, Assassin had figured out the length of it just by contact with his own blade, thus again, rendering it invisible a bit useless.

I am still wondering on what the "true" effect the Rule Breaker had on Saber.., since she during episode 18 uses ExCalibur continuasly..; it has been posted by someone that perhaps the effect it had was making it impossible for Saber to use ExCalibur's full power (like when she did vs Rider); which.., is a possibility.

As for it beeing the reason why ExCalibur is no longer concealed, its out of the question; Saber had chosen NOT to conceal her sword in the begining of episode's 17 Caster & Kuzuki fight as I just previously mencioned, so, since this happened before she got stabbed with Rule Breaker, I take it it is purely by her own decision that the sword is visible.

Altough it does sound a bit careless, specialy considering the fact that vs Kuzuki if she had her sword concealed she would probably had had a much Larger advantage during the fight.

[PhantomX]

I think I read somewhere that Invisible Air is an enchantment which not only conceals her sword, but makes it more powerful as well. I'm not sure if they changed the affect of Rule Breaker in the show or not to nullyfing magic (including contracts). If we assume both these to bet true, the Rule Breaker would disable Invisible Air, thus nerfing excalibur's power.

[Demongod86]

Rule Breaker I think just disables the ultimate. Meaning no pressing the blow-up-the-world button for Saber (not like she has the mana to do it again anyway).

[Spectrum]

Ayako really has been left out of the anime.. and to think how much you get of her in F/HA. <3
Yeah, it's a shame. I think it's assumed she's just convalescing somewhere (maybe in the hospital) after her brief cameo during the Shinji and Rider arc.

(I'll go on record stating that my favorite crack pairing is Rin/Ayako. Both with no rumors of relationships and don't interact with other people well! Of course, they're constantly competing with each other, but that's why it's crack.)

[PhantomX]

Rule Breaker I think just disables the ultimate. Meaning no pressing the blow-up-the-world button for Saber (not like she has the mana to do it again anyway).

That's not what it does at all. In the game, it nullifies contracts ... i'm just not sure if it nullifies magic as well :\

[Hemisphere]

I think I read somewhere that Invisible Air is an enchantment which not only conceals her sword, but makes it more powerful as well. I'm not sure if they changed the affect of Rule Breaker in the show or not to nullyfing magic (including contracts). If we assume both these to bet true, the Rule Breaker would disable Invisible Air, thus nerfing excalibur's power.
Something about the wind effect adding to the gashes that it would supposedly inflict when it causes wounds was what increases Excalibur's damaging potential. Or something like that.

IMO, Rule Breaker just disabled Saber's ability to use Excalibur as ZA WARUDO breaking beam. As if it did much...Shirou doesn't have enough mana to supply her with so Saber can use it again. -___________________-

That's not what it does at all. In the game, it nullifies contracts ... i'm just not sure if it nullifies magic as well :\

Maybe you can put it in these terms, then...Caster used Rule Breaker to "disrupt" Saber's magical aptitude with Excalibur?

[Spectrum]

That's not what it does at all. In the game, it nullifies contracts ... i'm just not sure if it nullifies magic as well :\
A dagger that disables all kinds of sorcery. It's the ultimate anti-sorcery Noble Phantasm that returns an object that is enhanced with magical energy, relationship that is bonded by a contract, and life that is created by magical energy, to a state before its creation. A magical equipment that realized the divinity of the Witch of Betrayal. But just as it looks, the actual offensive power is very low like a normal knife.
*shrug* Meh.

[PhantomX]

Lol, i'm forgetful ... so sue me :)

[stormy001_M1A2]

Ayako really has been left out of the anime.. and to think how much you get of her in F/HA. <3

She is more interested in Lancer but got freaked out by Rider's attention.

[roan]

*shrug* Meh.
should add this too:

が、限界は当然であり、どれほど低ランクであろうと宝具を初期化する事はできない。 - sidematerial

"but there's a limit to this. it is not possible to reset noble phantasms, no matter how low the rank."

[iamandragon]

How could Noble Phantasm be resetted? They're literally a piece of weapon itself not a magic contract?

[Mirtual]

Do the fate games only exist as jap versions or is there an english version of the game?

[gammaoh]

Japanese only. Otherwise, there would be so many players... yet, they are an endangered species...

[Spectrum]

How could Noble Phantasm be resetted? They're literally a piece of weapon itself not a magic contract?
I *think* what this is referring to is that there are certain Noble Phantasm's that are only usable once per war. IIRC, Saber's Invisible Air can be burned out as a one-shot projectile, so this could be what that line is referring to.

Someone want to correct/verify me here?

[Blizzer]

Something about the wind effect adding to the gashes that it would supposedly inflict when it causes wounds was what increases Excalibur's damaging potential. Or something like that.

IMO, Rule Breaker just disabled Saber's ability to use Excalibur as ZA WARUDO breaking beam. As if it did much...Shirou doesn't have enough mana to supply her with so Saber can use it again. -___________________-



Maybe you can put it in these terms, then...Caster used Rule Breaker to "disrupt" Saber's magical aptitude with Excalibur?

Im quite sure rule breaker was supposed to stop Saber using Excalibur completely,
was this another mistake like Heracles being killed 13 times?

btw spectrum wat animes your avatar from?

[iamandragon]

btw spectrum wat animes your avatar from?

Full metal Alchemist...woops Full Metal Panic the second raid.

[PastPrime]

Im quite sure rule breaker was supposed to stop Saber using Excalibur completely,
was this another mistake like Heracles being killed 13 times?

btw spectrum wat animes your avatar from?
If he could be revived 12 times then he would revive the 12th time you killed him so 13 was not a mistake.

[hoshino_crimsonwings]

btw spectrum wat animes your avatar from?


I think it's from Full metal panic second raid, one of the pretty chinese sisters (smaller one). Scene was when she was fighting with Mao, if I didn't forget.

Back to topic, Saber only killed Berserker 7 times? Since archer did it 5 times. Can someone verify this? thanks.

[Spectrum]

Back to topic, Saber only killed Berserker 7 times? Since archer did it 5 times. Can someone verify this? thanks.
Saber pressed all four regular attack buttons and just IK'd him with Caliburn cheese (qcf, qcf + HS). ;)

Caliburn's powerful enough to just snuff him out, regardless of how many lives he had left.

How *many* lives were instantly snuffed depends on your interpretation of God Body. What I've read game-wise is that it gives 11 extra lives, meaning he must be defeated 12 times in total. Ilya then says in ep14 that "it was 5 times for one servant", so I think the commonly accepted interpretation will be that he has 6 extras + his last left, so Caliburn offs him 7 times.

(I guess the twelve labors of God Body redeem his first life then give him 12 extra is how it works?)

[Blizzer]

I think it's from Full metal panic second raid, one of the pretty chinese sisters (smaller one). Scene was when she was fighting with Mao, if I didn't forget.

Back to topic, Saber only killed Berserker 7 times? Since archer did it 5 times. Can someone verify this? thanks.

Saber+Shirou killed him 7 times
Rin killed him 1 time
Archer killed him 5 times

Add it up and you get 13 times

[Spectrum]

Oh, right. Forgot about Rin's contribution.

Right, so in the game, Berserker has 1 life + 11 respawns (right?), whereas in the anime it's 1 life + 12 respawns.

[Blizzer]

Oh, right. Forgot about Rin's contribution.

Right, so in the game, Berserker has 1 life + 11 respawns (right?), whereas in the anime it's 1 life + 12 respawns.

dunno about 1 life +12 respawns
I really think they made a mistake and forgot about one of the deaths probably the one Rin did.

[Spectrum]

Well, yes, that's the point. Because they forgot and added an extra one somewhere, he has an extra respawn.

[monster]

The way I see it, the anime gives two possibilities:

Either Ilya is saying Rin needs to kill Berserker 7 times in total, or she's saying Rin needs to kill him 7 times after that initial kill with the gems.

If it's the first, then Berserker has 1 life and 11 respawns. If it's the second, then Berserker has 1 life and 12 respawns.

Either way, Archer killed him 5 times, Rin killed him once, and Saber ended his remaining lives.

By the way, what's the guy's first name? Shirou or Emiya?

[iamandragon]

Or maybe, Beserker's life regenerates over time?

Or it's simply an over kill.

I personally prefer the 12 revives 13 lives theory.

Shirou is his first name. His full name is Shirou Emiya, though most Japanese(actually most asians) have their first name in front.

[monster]

Shirou is his first name.Thanks for the clear up. His full name is Shirou Emiya, though most Japanese(actually most asians) have their first name in front. But now I'm confused, first you write Shirou Emiya, then you appear to contrast it by saying "though most Japanese have their first name in front". This make it seem as if you put his first name in the back when you write "Shirou Emiya"

Guess I'm thinking too much.

[iamandragon]

The translations put his name Emiya Shirou so people will know Shirou is his first name(due to western methods of arranging name) But if you're to call out Shirou formally in his full name you'll say Shirou Emiya.

Western way: First name in back.
Eastern way: First name in front.

I personally prefer the eastern way, since I'm eastern myself. Though sometimes it raises confusion. Unless I'm specifically explaining his name I'll go the western way and say Emiya Shirou.(in western forums only, of course)

[gammaoh]

You are confusing for those who don't know a thing actually...

So, to clear up:

Eastern way: Emiya Shirou - Family name then first name.
Western way: Shirou Emiya - First name then family name.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Western way: First name in back.
Eastern way: First name in front.



Ignore dragon-cham she's just drunk. :rolleyes:


Oriental way: Surname first.
Western Way: Forename first.

left to right/Top to bottom

I.e.

Emiya Shirou <- oriental way
Shirou Emiya <-Western way

[iamandragon]

Woops! My bad for mixing up first name with family name! lol...

[aldeayeah]

By the way, back to Saber using openly Excalibur (the sword itself , not the noble phantasm death cannon) - doing it doesn't really expose her identity, does it? For what all the other people know, it's just a sword. They can't recognize it so easily.

The same happened with Lancer - he uses Gae Bolg all the time (it's his only weapon, the crimson spear he wields all the time), but it won't reveal his identity unless he calls it by its true name to unleash the noble phantasm.

[Demongod86]

The sword itself is Caliburn apparently. Excalibur is the beam cannon.

[PhantomX]

They are actually two different swords. Caliburn was pulled from the sword, Excalibur was given by the lady of the lake (think of Caliburn as the insta-win sword).

And there IS a difference ... honestly, I had NEVER heard of Cu Challain before this show ... whereas EVERYONE knows about King Arthur (there's a difference in how famous they are ... so I guess that correlates to warriors being able to recognize a famous person's weaponry?)

[Xellos-_^]

And there IS a difference ... honestly, I had NEVER heard of Cu Challain before this show ...

I recognize him and not form garyole either.

[Demongod86]

I remember this show WAY back in the day being about King Arthur and the Knights of Justice and Arthur said

"I am King Arthur" and they responded
"And we are the Knights of Justice" and they had their corny little catchphrase before transforming into these cool armored peeps...of course, that's a kiddied down version of it, because in the real version, gwen's a slut and cheats with Lancelot...but then turns that thing on its ass because in this case, the king wasn't a he, but a SHE, so didn't Gwen notice when they had sex that her husband has no you know what and has breasts? Well, that'd certainly fit a plausible explanation, but what about the fact that Arthur dies because he committed incest with his sister who then gave birth to Mordred?

I think FSN waaaaaaaaaaaay deviates from the legend of king arthur by making Saber a she...(not like I'm complaining though, she's HAWT!)

[PhantomX]

Merlin could quite easily have made everyone else believe she's a he (remember everyone refers to her as a guy ... it's my theory this is Merlin's doing), so who's to say he can't 'help' in other areas?

[Xellos-_^]

I remember this show WAY back in the day being about King Arthur and the Knights of Justice and Arthur said

"I am King Arthur" and they responded
"And we are the Knights of Justice" and they had their corny little catchphrase before transforming into these cool armored peeps...of course, that's a kiddied down version of it, because in the real version, gwen's a slut and cheats with Lancelot...but then turns that thing on its ass because in this case, the king wasn't a he, but a SHE, so didn't Gwen notice when they had sex that her husband has no you know what and has breasts? Well, that'd certainly fit a plausible explanation, but what about the fact that Arthur dies because he committed incest with his sister who then gave birth to Mordred?

I think FSN waaaaaaaaaaaay deviates from the legend of king arthur by making Saber a she...(not like I'm complaining though, she's HAWT!)

Gwen could be bi. A very simple solution to a simple problem :D :p :heh:

[PhantomX]

Every female is lesbian in your world Xell, or at least bi XD

[Xellos-_^]

Every female is lesbian in your world Xell, or at least bi XD

And whats wrong with wishing the world is full of women who are bi :eyebrow: :heh: :D

[Demongod86]

And whats wrong with wishing the world is full of women who are bi :eyebrow: :heh: :D

Who says there is? :heh: :D :p ;)

[iamandragon]

Who says there is? :heh: :D :p ;)

There's nothing wrong of being bi!

[Spectrum]

And whats wrong with wishing the world is full of women who are bi :eyebrow: :heh: :D
They still wouldn't want to have anything to do with you, even if that were the case.

(Oh, burn!)

J/K J/K J/K <3

[Xellos-_^]

They still wouldn't want to have anything to do with you, even if that were the case.

(Oh, burn!)

J/K J/K J/K <3

*place a call to the Hinamizawa Loli Death Squad to take care of Spectrum.

[aldeayeah]

The sword itself is Caliburn apparently. Excalibur is the beam cannon.

I didn't understand it like that. What I thought was:

-> Both Excalibur and Caliburn are swords. It's been said before in this thread - they look more or less the same. Caliburn is a little more ornate. The one Saber uses in ep. 18 is Excalibur, that I'm sure about.

-> They have different powers - Excalibur can unleash the Big Ass Blast Of Death, and Caliburn has (apparently) massive pwnage capabilities when in the hands of its rigthful owner, like being able to kill Berserker several times with a single blow.

Question: What would be the ranking of such an attack be? EX, maybe? How could Shirou could trace -or imagine, I'm not too sure- such a powerful thing?

-> The sword Saber uses all the time is Excalibur, and she usually conceals it with an invisible wind sheath. She doesn't in episode 18, though. Possible reasons: her identity exposed, useless against Assassin, magical disruption due to Rule Breaker.

-> Caliburn is "lost forever" (broken, according to the legend), so it's only available via tracing.

Can anyone clarify this? This was what I understood, but maybe it's not accurate.

And how would people recognize Saber? Who would think that a lovely girl could be the King Arthur? I'm sure 99% of the unspoiled viewers/gamers went "WTF" when they heard/read for the first time "EKUSU... KARIBAA~!!"... Probably, the Servants felt the same way.

I wouldn't mind two or three bi girls around me, either. We could do a lot of fun stuff all together, like "recharging mana" and "exchanging magical circuits" :D

[iamandragon]

There are different versions of Caliburn and Excalibur. Some say they're two swords, some say they're the same, and we don't know which one F/SN is referencing on.

The ranking of Caliburn's attack is A++ when being traced. Shirou's tracing ability has a flaw that every weapon he trace will suffer a degrade in one level. So the 'original' Caliburn is Ex while the traced Caliburn is A++.

Excalibur can turn into a beam cannon because it's Saber's Noble Phantasm. If it wasn't it's just another powerful weapon.

I like the idea of wind sheath disabled 'cause of magical disruption due to Rule Breaker. Sadly this theory has flaws since there's no wind sheath when fighting Caster BEFORE she's stabbed by Rule Breaker. But still a possibility.

Just how many golden swords are there in history? I have no idea...the only one I know is Excalibur...(about king arthur being a girl...its reference has been pointed out somewhere...let me find it and put a link later on)

*Pretends she didn't see the last paragraph*

EDIT: found it. Go to top of this page and read Xellos' post.

[hoshino_crimsonwings]

Aside from the "The story won't be as interesting" factor, since Archer remembers Illya and Shirou (Apparently he remembers the past); why doesn't he just summon the Excal? If Shirou could I'm pretty sure Archer could.

[Alu]

Complications, complications..; to give a more simple answer.. :

I didn't understand it like that. What I thought was:

-> Both Excalibur and Caliburn are swords. It's been said before in this thread - they look more or less the same. Caliburn is a little more ornate. The one Saber uses in ep. 18 is Excalibur, that I'm sure about.

-> They have different powers - Excalibur can unleash the Big Ass Blast Of Death, and Caliburn has (apparently) massive pwnage capabilities when in the hands of its rigthful owner, like being able to kill Berserker several times with a single blow.
This is 100% correct.

Question: What would be the ranking of such an attack be? EX, maybe? How could Shirou could trace -or imagine, I'm not too sure- such a powerful thing?
From what I speculate you will only see 2 weapons ranked EX in the anime; Shirou will only be able to trace it because of a reason I cannot say.
It is a major spoiler..

-> The sword Saber uses all the time is Excalibur, and she usually conceals it with an invisible wind sheath. She doesn't in episode 18, though. Possible reasons: her identity exposed, useless against Assassin, magical disruption due to Rule Breaker.

-> Caliburn is "lost forever" (broken, according to the legend), so it's only available via tracing.
Can anyone clarify this? This was what I understood, but maybe it's not accurate.
Caliburn beeing lost forever is 100% correct.
As for the other part.., I belive we are still not compleatly aware of what the "true" effects of the Rule Breaker had in Saber; so many possibilities can be speculated.
I still supose that she had chosen NOT to conceal her sword during the last fights.., and like some have previously mencioned - The Rule Breaker only affected her "special attack".

And how would people recognize Saber? Who would think that a lovely girl could be the King Arthur? I'm sure 99% of the unspoiled viewers/gamers went "WTF" when they heard/read for the first time "EKUSU... KARIBAA~!!"... Probably, the Servants felt the same way.

Its all about the sword.., from the moment someone see's such a Magnificent sword, what is the first image of a sword that pop's into the mind.. ? -
"ExCalibur"
Thus, specialy for a group of "magicians" like F/S Night presents us, specialy Rin; it would pretty easy to catch up from that on Saber's true identity.

[aldeayeah]

Well, maybe Rin would see something else, but I think Excalibur looks like a perfectly normal European styled sword. There are lots of legendary knights who could have wielded weapons like that, and saying it's Excalibur would be a wild guess IMO.

since Archer remembers Illya and Shirou (Apparently he remembers the past); why doesn't he just summon the Excal? If Shirou could I'm pretty sure Archer could
Actually, perhaps Archer DID summon it. While using UBW, with his memories back, he must have pulled off some nice tricks to be able to kill Berserker. Maybe Excalibur was one of them.

Why he didn't do it before? Possible answers: not needed, lack of memories, or lack of mana (Archer doesn't have as much as Saber does... so it would be very exhausting for him to use Excalibur).

And I think that Shirou "cheated", when he traced Caliburn. Can't say much more, since I'm not sure, and it would involve revealing a big spoiler.

QUESTION: Alu, is the reason why Shirou was able to trace Caliburn the same "reason" you're talking about, or would he have been able to pull that off under normal circumstances?

[iamandragon]

Well, maybe Rin would see something else, but I think Excalibur looks like a perfectly normal European styled sword. There are lots of legendary knights who could have wielded weapons like that, and saying it's Excalibur would be a wild guess IMO.


Actually, perhaps Archer DID summon it. While using UBW, with his memories back, he must have pulled off some nice tricks to be able to kill Berserker. Maybe Excalibur was one of them.

Why he didn't do it before? Possible answers: not needed, lack of memories, or lack of mana (Archer doesn't have as much as Saber does... so it would be very exhausting for him to use Excalibur).

And I think that Shirou "cheated", when he traced Caliburn. Can't say much more, since I'm not sure, and it would involve revealing a big spoiler.

QUESTION: Alu, is the reason why Shirou was able to trace Caliburn the same "reason" you're talking about, or would he have been able to pull that off under normal circumstances?

Archer and Shirou's tracing is different, idspite they're the same person.

For Shirou to trace an object, he need to know the designs of the object--to be precise, the Engineering Drawing. (Explained in game/novel day 1 when Shirou's 'training')
For Archer to trace an object, he need to see it with his own eyes. Note that even Shiroul might become Archer, Archer and Shirou are completely differnt persons, and Archer havn't seen Caliburn or Excalibur yet.

Archer is the only hero who can keep the memories of all the holy grail wars he fought, thanks to his reality marble.

Correct me if I'm wrong, these informations are very vague memories from long ago when I was reading some random posts.

[Alu]

QUESTION: Alu, is the reason why Shirou was able to trace Caliburn the same "reason" you're talking about, or would he have been able to pull that off under normal circumstances?

I unfortunaly might not be the best person for you to ask this..; I only know "a few" things on F/S night.., hence.. I can only mostely speculate here and there.

The reason why Shirou is able to trace a EX weapon later on is unique, this meaning, he is ONLY able to trace it due to that reason and that reason alone.
I'm afraid I cannot say anything more regarding this.

I belive the reason why he was able to trace Caliburn is not the same..; altough I cannot give the actual reason why he was able to do so in the first place.., I speculate that it was due to some sort of connection he had with Saber.., and also probably "partial" connection to the other reason mencioned above.

At the begining of the anime, right in the first episodes we do see Shirou imagining Caliburn, altough in alot of blur.
Thus I conclude the "image" was already in his head, the connection with Saber and his awakening of skills later on probably made it possible for him then to trace it.

[Blizzer]

I got some questions :mad:
how many more times does Shirou have to summon Kanshu and Bakuya before anyone notices a similarity?

Does Rin know but she's shutting up about it?

As a result of tracing Shirous hair might turn white and get a tan, so in the period between will Shirous hair be pink??? XD

[Alu]

I got some questions :mad:
how many more times does Shirou have to summon Kanshu and Bakuya before anyone notices a similarity? (1)

Does Rin know but she's shutting up about it? (2)

As a result of tracing Shirous hair might turn white and get a tan, so in the period between will Shirous hair be pink??? (3) XD

1) I also sometimes wonder about that...; I'm begining to think Rin is dumber then Haruhi..
2) I doubt it..
3) I hope we never get to see that :p

[iamandragon]

Shirou's hair turned white in 1 go when he realized his ideals are false as Archer

[DarthAndy]

uhh dude...im pretty sure Shirou's hair turned white through his continuous use of tracing/imaging :twitch:

[Shiroth]

uhh dude...im pretty sure Shirou's hair turned white through his continuous use of tracing/imaging :twitch:

Thats the right reason.

[Xellos-_^]

uhh dude...im pretty sure Shirou's hair turned white through his continuous use of tracing/imaging :twitch:


Nope it turn white when he saw food bill for his Harem :heh: :p

[demon_god04]

Saber and Taiga alone are enough to eat him out of house and home....... well we all know Shirou's a hard worker maybe hes working like 10 differance part time jobs or something -.-:heh:

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Not all Americans are prudes. I think a bunch of us would have been perfectly happy with a few hot springs and bath house episodes, a more literal representation of Saber's "recharging," and lots and lots more Rider. :)

Also, that body stocking Sakura was wearing under her leather bikini during the last episode was a little weird. It looked uncomfortable too. I was pleased with the rest of her outfit, however. She looked very nice.

[gammaoh]

But you can't deny that this is pure fanservice... and overused as well.

[DarthAndy]

Caster likes seeing young girls in dominatrix outfits.

[Alu]

Caster likes seeing young girls in dominatrix outfits.
Pfff.. lies.. :p

[Shiroth]

But you can't deny that this is pure fanservice... and overused as well.
Give me Sakura in her everyday pink top, and i'm happy - not some leather costume to lure in fanservice.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I hear you angelsama, I hear you

[Guido]

Does the Golden King, a.k.a. Eighth Servant, has a crush on Saber?

Or he sees her as object of his twisted desires?, or are there any ulterior motives for him being obsessed with Saber?

[iamandragon]

I hear it...the summoning of the spoiler queen...I hear you...
Gil wanted Saber to be his possession, nothing more.
haha must be disappointed aren't you?

[gammaoh]

Gil just wants what he does not have since he claims everything as his possession.

Just like Ilya: "Saber, become my belonging" :heh:

[iamandragon]

I thought she said 'Shirou, become my belonging'?

Hee hee...I want to say something like that in the future...(*starts fantasy mode like Kahera from Shuffle!*)

[gammaoh]

She said that, I was just changing some words to express Gil's sentence Ilya way. XD

Lol, I would have said that myself to Saber if I could ^^

[iamandragon]

Question:
Which other forums do you go for fate/stay night discussion?

[Tekkaman Zero]

Question:
Which other forums do you go for fate/stay night discussion?

Beast's Lair

[iamandragon]

Another question:
Does anyone know when and where does Saber's dress designs are from when she's wearing her armor?

[Xebek]

I have a couple of questions related to the connection between the anime and the games. I know that there are three games, or at least three parts to the games. I read the synopis and summary of the three parts to the games but what I'm wondering is if this anime is based on just one of the parts, like the first one or a combination of them in a new storyline. I know that the first part dosen't really deal with Berserker and the second part does so already the anime is a little bit of a combination of the first two games but does anyone know:

If this anime is just a new story that combines aspects from all of the pats or like the first two parts with a new ending and such

Or is it the same story as the first two/three parts combined?

[PhantomX]

I have a couple of questions related to the connection between the anime and the games. I know that there are three games, or at least three parts to the games. I read the synopis and summary of the three parts to the games but what I'm wondering is if this anime is based on just one of the parts, like the first one or a combination of them in a new storyline. I know that the first part dosen't really deal with Berserker and the second part does so already the anime is a little bit of a combination of the first two games but does anyone know:

If this anime is just a new story that combines aspects from all of the pats or like the first two parts with a new ending and such

Or is it the same story as the first two/three parts combined?

This anime is mostly based over the first scenario, which has Archer die at Berserker's hands and Saber defeat him. However, they have mixed in certain things here and there from other scenarios (such as the divulgence through hints of Shirou's identity). But as it seems now, the anime will probably continue with the first scenarios story for the most part

[Xebek]

Anyone know if I can hope for a differnt ending to the anime then that of the first part of the game? Did the creators announce anything or has anyone heard anything about the anime following it exactly or perhaps differing?

[PhantomX]

Lol, I don't think they've announced anything ... but a LOT of people hope that the ending is a bit 'kinder' (lol, trying not to spoil)

[Blizzer]

Another question:
Does anyone know when and where does Saber's dress designs are from when she's wearing her armor?

Not sure what you mean, but they sure as hell don't look celtic like they're supposed to.
They are probably entirely created for the purpose of making Saber's dress look old but also making her look cool at the same time, and her armours a bit of a joke to stop critical hits you would want to be as fully armoured as possible, but she probably wouldn't look as impressive if they did.

[gammaoh]

Well, this dress is really English or French style. So, as Blizzer said, it's really not Celtic. But Arthur was supposed to be Arturus at the very beginning IIRC, so a Roman.

But now, since Arthur has become Arturia, everything is possible. And since this legend is from England (well, actually the roots are in Scandinavia but the character is from or in England), it is logical for her to wear an English-style dress.

[Blizzer]

Well, this dress is really English or French style. So, as Blizzer said, it's really not Celtic. But Arthur was supposed to be Arturus at the very beginning IIRC, so a Roman.

But now, since Arthur has become Arturia, everything is possible. And since this legend is from England (well, actually the roots are in Scandinavia but the character is from or in England), it is logical for her to wear an English-style dress.

yeah it seems they've gone for a variation on english medieval clothing
also Sabers dress looks laced at the waist so its probably supposed to be, but its a really unusual dress so I cant really find out

[Rider_from_stay_nigh]

Does anyone know were I can but the games and the anime?

[iamandragon]

where you can buy the anime...anime store of course
And if you're looking for the game you'll have a tough time. I heard the games are limited editions(200 copies for F/HA, though I don't know about F/SN). Try getting a link from those who lives in Japan(I know some of us in the forum lives in Japan...it's those who replies FIRST and talk about it when the episode have JUST aired...)

[gammaoh]

Click on the followings: www.himeyashop.com

Order.

Be patient.

Enjoy.

[Mirtual]

where you can buy the anime...anime store of course
And if you're looking for the game you'll have a tough time. I heard the games are limited editions(200 copies for F/HA, though I don't know about F/SN). Try getting a link from those who lives in Japan(I know some of us in the forum lives in Japan...it's those who replies FIRST and talk about it when the episode have JUST aired...)
Then again there is the possibility of downloading those games on certain sites, but the remaining problem is that you have to be able to read japanese to play them.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Then again there is the possibility of downloading those games on certain sites, but the remaining problem is that you have to be able to read japanese to play them.


Not to mention the Japanese author used is damn funky, he loves old Japanese words. Even native Japanese speaker find it hard to read sometimes.

[iamandragon]

Old words are not a problem as long as you think hard enough...I'm not good with Japanese either(truth to be told, very crap at it) though for words you don't understand, just read the sentence over and over again and it'll start to make sense.
And becareful not to leak any sites for download in public...it's against the forum rules...

[iKumdo]

Who is true Assasin? How does he appear?

[stormy001_M1A2]

He is Servant of Zouken Matou, a very talented magus who is grandfather of Shinji. His real name is Hassan al Sabah, founder of Assassin clan during Crusades.

[PhantomX]

Meaning you wont' get to see him in the show :(

[Deathkillz]

it would be nice to see the HF storyline...maybe they would make a seperate series on that storyline?? then you can see all the new servents...dark saber ftw ^^

[Demongod86]

Except Dark Saber would be good Fate/Hollow Ataraxia style. Because someone yanked her antenna out.

[ZaZukeS]

Hey how many episodes of Fate/Stay Night are there? And after those episodes will they continue the anime?

[SailorMoon4ever]

I have a good question thats been driving me nuts... is
Archer = Shiro?????

[aldeayeah]

The answer is...
Yes. He's a likely future version of Shirou (depending on what he does with the rest of his life...), who's turned bitter and cynical due to the loss of his ideals.
What happens to a Master who loses their Servant but somehow manages to survive the Grail War with some of his command seals intact? (e.g. : Rin) Do that command seals remain forever?

When it's the time of the next War, is making a contract with someone else's Servant the only way for them to join the War? Or will the Grail grant them the chance to summon a new Servant?

[iamandragon]

Hey how many episodes of Fate/Stay Night are there? And after those episodes will they continue the anime?

24 episodes in total. It's pretty easy to work it out--just visit any random anime site and read the describtion and it'll tell you it's 24. (easy compared to Suzumiya Haruhi, which has either 13 episodes, or 14 episodes, or 15000+ episodes(according to the site)
Hopefully they will continue the anime--we need more Rin action

[Shiroth]

24 episodes in total. It's pretty easy to work it out--just visit any random anime site and read the describtion and it'll tell you it's 24.
& this is a question & answer thread to do with F/SN, whats wrong with asking?

[Mandrake]

Caliburn was broken during battle at some point, excalibur was created by the lady of the lake from caliburns pieces, wasen't it?

[gammaoh]

Caliburn was broken during battle at some point, excalibur was created by the lady of the lake from caliburns pieces, wasen't it?

It really depends on the version of the arthurian legend.

IIRC, it is either:

-Caliburn being broken and rebuilt by the Lady of the Lake
-Arthur wanting to get rid of the sword, he throws it in the Lake but the Lady comes at the right moment and give him back a "enhanced" EXcalibur.
-Caliburn and Excalibur being one and the same sword.

But my knowledge of the arthurian legend is not so good. Andiyar may be a better source of knowledge.

[ZaZukeS]

Oh i see so theres 24... I hope they continue it.. i think its a great anime.. is it only up to episode 20 right now? I can't seem to find 21 22 23 24 anywhere :/

[Dionysus]

yeah episode 20 is the current release

[Shiroth]

I can't seem to find 21 22 23 24 anywhere :/
Because they haven't even aired yet...

[ZaZukeS]

It would be great if they continued...

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well, anime costs $$$ to make, and there is reason why Fate anime reuse stock animation.

Unless you have a lot of money to sponsor continuation of Fate, it is difficult to see any reason they want to do it.

[stormy001_M1A2]

it would be nice to see the HF storyline...maybe they would make a seperate series on that storyline?? then you can see all the new servents...dark saber ftw ^^

All you need is $$$$ and they will do it.

[iamandragon]

It really depends on the version of the arthurian legend.

IIRC, it is either:

-Caliburn being broken and rebuilt by the Lady of the Lake
-Arthur wanting to get rid of the sword, he throws it in the Lake but the Lady comes at the right moment and give him back a "enhanced" EXcalibur.
-Caliburn and Excalibur being one and the same sword.

But my knowledge of the arthurian legend is not so good. Andiyar may be a better source of knowledge.

IMO, Fate/Stay Night uses the first version. In episode 15 when Shirou traced Caliburn Saber said it's the sword she had 'long lost'. If it's the same sword then it can't be lost. This elimates the possibility of last version.
And the second version is impossible for F/SN. Caliburn is way way stronger than excalibur here...which is the other way round it should be.

[Rider_from_stay_nigh]

Can you play as dark saber and shadow sakura in the games?

[ctrl-z]

Can you play as dark saber and shadow sakura in the games?

F/Sn is a visual novel, so the answer is no, since it is read from Shirou's PoV.

I don't recall Dark Saber appearing in the doujin fight games Fatal Fake or Sword Dance, and Sakura is not a playable character at all.


Hey anyone know when episode 21 is gonna be out?

The episode has already aired; don't ask for releases.

[iamandragon]

Can you play as dark saber and shadow sakura in the games?
Sure. Make a own game of yours. Fate/Dark Night or Fate/Sakura Night sounds good...

Does anyone know at what time F/SN is aired? GMT time if possible please.

[gammaoh]

Iirc, 16:30 Gmt

[iamandragon]

what's Iirc?

[gammaoh]

"If I Remember Correctly", the editor changed caps into small letters.

[Alu]

I dunno if this has been posted before.., but I have a doubt regarding something..

Because I see a little of both and never always a certain one.., I'd like to ask if..
Is Ilya written as :
"Illya" with 2 LL's or is it "Ilya" with one ?

I went to do a little search on Wiki and I came out with this :

Illyasviel von Einzbern, often referred to as Ilya

A young German aristocrat, she traveled to Japan to participate in the Holy Grail War as a Master. Illyasviel has an angelic appearance and an unsurpassed degree of magical power. She lives in a castle on the outskirts of Fuyuki City, accompanied only by her servant and two maids. Illyasviel asks those she feels comfortable around to simply call her "Ilya".

So I take it,
When using the Diminuitive form, it is written "Ilya" with one L; but when using the Full Name it is written Illyasviel with the 2 LL's ?

Could I get some confirmation on this.., because.., I kind of need it ^^
Many thanks :)

[Blizzer]

I got a question!
What would Rin/Ilya/Sakura wish for if they actually got the grail?

The only things I can think of are:
Rin-lifetime supply pyramid teabags
Ilya-snow thats warm! 24/7
Sakura-a hug from Shirou

Are you told in the game what they would have wished for?

I think Shirou speculated that Rin would have wished for world domination, but Saber said no she wouldn't.

[iamandragon]

Rin's favourite tea is Chinese red tea picked in spring----not teabag!
Sakura already got more than a hug from Shirou...oh wait we're talking about the anime...but still...just a hug is not enough...if I'm Sakura I'd want Shirou to become my maid.
Illya can't have a wish if she wins the war...poor girl...

Question:
As many answers as possible. How would you explain a reality marble?

[gammaoh]

What do you mean, "how would you explain"?

[Deathkillz]

Rin's favourite tea is Chinese red tea picked in spring----not teabag!
Sakura already got more than a hug from Shirou...oh wait we're talking about the anime...but still...just a hug is not enough...if I'm Sakura I'd want Shirou to become my maid.
Illya can't have a wish if she wins the war...poor girl...

Question:
As many answers as possible. How would you explain a reality marble?

from wiki
A Reality Marble, also known as an Innate Bounded Field, is an extremely rare high-class type of sorcery that creates an enclosed separate reality that is a physical representation of a user's soul. With it, a user is able to bypass the laws of nature; for Archer, it is the creation of an ideal battlefield. Although not a Noble Phantasm, Unlimited Blade Works is treated as one.

Archer's version of a Reality Marble is known as "Unlimited Blade Works"; the marble manifests as an open, barren field, littered with countless weapons Archer has encountered. Within Unlimited Blade Works exist all the raw materials and magic required to facilitate imaging, allowing him to duplicate any bladed weapon simply by seeing it. Furthermore, Archer's imaging allows him to copy the combat skills of those who previously used his weapon, granting him instant proficiency with whatever he imagines. However, the quality of enchantment on each weapon will be degraded by one rank, never equalling the original. Swords, spears, and halberds are favored, but shields are also replicable at a substantially greater Mana cost. Many of the weapons seen in Unlimited Blade Works are copies of legendary weapons traced by Shirō during his final battle with Gilgamesh.


i have a question thats been bugging me for ages...is excaliber+avalon=caliburn??? some say they are both the same swords but some say they are different...and wht is avalon anyway?? is it just a sword holder for excaliber?? so wheres does the name caliburn pop up from?? im soo confused :confused:

[iamandragon]

What do you mean, "how would you explain"?

Any answers to the following to fit the criteria
-How does reality marble work?
-What is a reality marble?
-What's the requirment to summon a reality marble?
-What's the effect of a reality marble?
Basically just spill everything you know about reality marble.

From my sources, I only know a reality marble is 'fantasy invading up reality'. To cover up a portion of reality with the image of a mage. A magic to twist reality, or to be precise, to alter reality according to the will of a mage.

However it is very vague, so I'd like more information to make up a full defination of it.

from wiki


i have a question thats been bugging me for ages...is excaliber+avalon=caliburn??? some say they are both the same swords but some say they are different...and wht is avalon anyway?? is it just a sword holder for excaliber?? so wheres does the name caliburn pop up from?? im soo confused :confused:

Incorrect mathematically. Excaliber+avalon=e^2xc^2a^2l^2i^2b^2r^2un
just joking.
Just go to the top of the page to find the answer.

Anyways that's quite a fast answer...even before I can re-state my answer.
thanks for offering the help, but I've visited wiki before and it doesn't satisfy me.

[iamandragon]

crap double post plz delete this mod/admin

[Alu]

Incorrect mathematically. Excaliber+avalon=e^2xc^2a^2l^2i^2b^2r^2un
What on earth are you talking about anyway...
Couldn't you just haved given a simple answer.., its a simple question.. ^^


i have a question thats been bugging me for ages...is excaliber+avalon=caliburn??? some say they are both the same swords but some say they are different...and wht is avalon anyway?? is it just a sword holder for excaliber?? so wheres does the name caliburn pop up from?? im soo confused :confused:

As you know Deathkillz, there are several diferent versions of the story / myth that was King Arthur, thus the same applies to the sword(s) that in these tales where made famous.

To put it simple, in one version ExCalibur is both the Sword in the Stone, and also the one given / returned to King Arthur by the Lady of the Lake.
Thus in this version of the Myth, Caliburn never existed.

On another, other which is the one Fate-Stay follows, Caliburn is One sword.., and ExCalibur is Another diferent sword :

Caliburn is the Sword in the Stone, which Arthur was able to pull out, thus making him King.
But eventualy this sword was then lost..,
He then gained ExCalibur (a diferent sword) from the Lady of the Lake.

Regarding Avalon;
Avalon is the name that is given to the Sheath (Scabbbard) of ExCalibur; so in other words.., its just ExCalibur's Sheath.
In the Myth, Avalon had been stolen from King Arthur, in the F/SN story well.., I will not go any further due to spoilers :)

[Deathkillz]

What on earth are you talking about anyway...
Couldn't you just haved given a simple answer.., its a simple question.. ^^


Excaliber+avalon=e^2xc^2a^2l^2i^2b^2r^2un means excaliburn x by itself 7 times in an maths equation which = uberness :p lol i only just got that

anyway...if avalon was lost then how the hell was shriou able to trace it if he hasnt seen it before...not even in saber's dreams for all i know...if it was by chance he must be the luckiest guy in the world...

[Alu]

anyway...if avalon was lost then how the hell was shriou able to trace it if he hasnt seen it before...not even in saber's dreams for all i know...if it was by chance he must be the luckiest guy in the world...

That is the reason why I didn't went any further.., it would be a MAJOR spoiler if I or anyone where to writte down the answer to that..
So.. you'll just have to wait for the anime to reveal it :)

[gammaoh]

Excaliber+avalon=e^2xc^2a^2l^2i^2b^2r^2un means excaliburn x by itself 7 times in an maths equation which = uberness :p lol i only just got that

anyway...if avalon was lost then how the hell was shriou able to trace it if he hasnt seen it before...not even in saber's dreams for all i know...if it was by chance he must be the luckiest guy in the world...

Don't ask for too much spoilers there. People can be easily tempted :D.

It's gonna be said one or two episodes hence.

[Deathkillz]

ill try and retain myself then and wait...*cries* for those guys who already played the game...i guess you already know the answer/ending of the 3 different routes then (FN, UBW HF)...i wish i had the game :(

[gammaoh]

Yes we do, and some of us would like to see a different ending than the one from Fate route.

No need to mention I'm advocating for a new ending, do I? :D

[Alu]

No need to mention I'm advocating for a new ending, do I? :D

Shirou making his UBW ? please please, Please let it happen ! :D

[Deathkillz]

Shirou making his UBW ? please please, Please let it happen ! :D

i keep saying this...it will happen unless the fat lady sings *kills all fat ladies* :D

[Demongod86]

They need this to end with the nonexistent "good" Fate ending. The one in which Saber stays and smiles for herself, becomes happy, and if anyone is doing anything fishy, well, *BASH*.

[PhantomX]

I'm also hoping that Shirou finishes someone off with UBW ... however, from the scene they show in the previews of next episode ... it seems unlikely that they will deviate that much from the Fate scenario (in battles and ending) ... not to mention they still have to explain how Shirou was able to trace Avalon.

[iamandragon]

Woops seems like I did my mathematics wrong, as my friend has reminded me...Excaliber+avalon=/=e^2xc^2a^2l^2i^2b^2r^2un that's the answer to excalibur*avalon...
The correct mathematic answer for excalibur+avalon = 2ex2c2c2l2i2b2run. (I can't believe I'm doing simple algebra wrong...)

Ya I actually mean that as a gag so you can forget about it...

[FireDetei]

what is UBW? Ive only recently just started watching F/SN like 4-5 days ago so not too sure whats what and quite a few people mentioning it. What does it stand for and what is it? lol

Be kind :P

[iamandragon]

UBW, short for Unlimited Blade Works. A socery used by Archer and another person(can't mention his name yet, spoilers spoilers!). If you want to know the details from the source welcome to pre-order Fate/UBW, it's free~

Okay back on topic.

Unlimited Blade Works is a socery, an example of a reality marble. The initiation is the chant 'I am the bone of my sword...'
Upon initiation, Unlimited Blade Works creates a reality marble, putting the participants of the battle into a world of Archer's imagination, the Unlimited Blade Works. It is can be seen visually as a desolated barren land with lots of blades sticking on the ground. Within the reality marble, Archer(and the other person) can use tracing socery to his maximum potential---blades can be simply 'summoned' instead of traced. The 7 process of tracing: Concept, Design, Structure, Material Composition Analysis, Forging Techniques, Experiences on Weapon(forgot the last one) can be ignored.

UBW can be intepreted as a warehouse of weapons. Even in real life, Archer's weapons are not being 'traced', but rather, he takes weapons out from within it through the 'leakage' of weapons.
If you want to see UBW in its action, go watch episode 14, skip the first part and watch the second half. Dont care about the story there just watch the action.

[monster]

anyway...if avalon was lost then how the hell was shriou able to trace it if he hasnt seen it before...not even in saber's dreams for all i know...if it was by chance he must be the luckiest guy in the world... I believe he saw it several times in his dreams.

[PhantomX]

I believe he saw it several times in his dreams.

At least anime wise we can't vouch for this, because Saber has had her sword unsheathed for all the dreams. It's good speculation though :)

[iamandragon]

I think it's quite obvious even with spoilers...though I ought to use the tags once in a while...
'I am the bone of my sword' Avalon is a scabbard, a tool to protect swords. What's more important, the sword or the scabbard? While the sword kills others, the scabbard protects the sword, keeping it sharp and in condition--that's exactly what's been protecting Shirou's life from all those fatal injuries before. Avalon is already inside Shirou. That's why Saber is summoned with such ease, that's why Saber appeared when he approached the summoning circle. Shirou does not only have the possession of an artifact of Auturia, he and avalon is one. Saber has been Shirou's servent long before the war--but let's put that aside for now...

Remember in episode 13 when Shirou's magic circuit turned gold when trying to escape from Illya's grip? That's a symbol for Shirou's magic circuit going 'beserk' and out of control due to improper usage(tracing is to create not to destroy)(at least that's what I think) This again, happened in this episode. Up till now, Shirou's socery is still stuck at 'tracing', where he has to image and analyze weapons he create. But back in this episode he was not thinking of any weapons at all. He had no 'target' to trace, yet he activated his tracing socery. What will happen if you summon something but you're not thinking of summoning anything? Not to mention that Shirou's pushing his power beyond his limit. This causes his magic circuit to go beserk and tried to force something out of nothing. When there's nothing to be traced, avalon, which is inside Shirou, is being forced out. That's why Saber in the end said 'You're my scabbard' when holding Shirou.

[Demongod86]

And hence why without Shirou, Saber can't be anywhere near as efficient.

[iamandragon]

But funny thing is, with Shirou, Saber can't be anywhere near as efficient as well. (since Shirou is not a full magician...)

[PhantomX]

I think it's quite obvious even with spoilers...though I ought to use the tags once in a while...
'I am the bone of my sword' Avalon is a scabbard, a tool to protect swords. What's more important, the sword or the scabbard? While the sword kills others, the scabbard protects the sword, keeping it sharp and in condition--that's exactly what's been protecting Shirou's life from all those fatal injuries before. Avalon is already inside Shirou. That's why Saber is summoned with such ease, that's why Saber appeared when he approached the summoning circle. Shirou does not only have the possession of an artifact of Auturia, he and avalon is one. Saber has been Shirou's servent long before the war--but let's put that aside for now...

Remember in episode 13 when Shirou's magic circuit turned gold when trying to escape from Illya's grip? That's a symbol for Shirou's magic circuit going 'beserk' and out of control due to improper usage(tracing is to create not to destroy)(at least that's what I think) This again, happened in this episode. Up till now, Shirou's socery is still stuck at 'tracing', where he has to image and analyze weapons he create. But back in this episode he was not thinking of any weapons at all. He had no 'target' to trace, yet he activated his tracing socery. What will happen if you summon something but you're not thinking of summoning anything? Not to mention that Shirou's pushing his power beyond his limit. This causes his magic circuit to go beserk and tried to force something out of nothing. When there's nothing to be traced, avalon, which is inside Shirou, is being forced out. That's why Saber in the end said 'You're my scabbard' when holding Shirou.


I don't agree with this. I don't believe he forced Avalon out of himself, or it wouldn't have been neglected like that after the battle. Some kind of comment would have been made as to what it is and where it came from. I think Saber just says Shirou is her scabbard because she realizes that she needs him more than she originally thought. I mean, they beat Gil here and Berserker before only because of his tracing ability.
I think what he did here was more imaging, as was mentioned by Archer, which would explain why he needed to use more magic circuits than when he is tracing. I also think that this 'weapon' designed to help him win took the shape of Avalon BECAUSE it's inside of him.
Imaging is Shirou's true strength imo, not tracing (Archer agrees XD) :)

[Demongod86]

Does it matter when their tagteam omnipwns anybody? Yes, Saber alone and Shiro alone both come up short. That's why they tagteam and Shiro always manages to trace/create something right when it's needed most. Cuz he's uber-possessive of his Saber-chan ^-^. (That's why she needs to stick around in the present and live happily ever after.).

The thing is, all other magicians just cower behind their servants (aside from Kuzuki, but king pikachu owned them both handily enough) while Shiro, underdog and in-love guy that he is, will go completely nuts over defending Saber, which leads to him always pulling through for her.

So I'd say whatever she loses in straight stats Saber gains in lots of teamwork.

[iamandragon]

I don't agree with this. I don't believe he forced Avalon out of himself, or it wouldn't have been neglected like that after the battle. Some kind of comment would have been made as to what it is and where it came from. I think Saber just says Shirou is her scabbard because she realizes that she needs him more than she originally thought. I mean, they beat Gil here and Berserker before only because of his tracing ability.
I think what he did here was more imaging, as was mentioned by Archer, which would explain why he needed to use more magic circuits than when he is tracing. I also think that this 'weapon' designed to help him win took the shape of Avalon BECAUSE it's inside of him.
Imaging is Shirou's true strength imo, not tracing (Archer agrees XD) :)



I half agree. It's imaging that's Shirou's strength, but he still havn't realized it and still called it 'tracing', so I think it's better to stick to the term 'tracing' instead of 'imaging' to avoid bigger spoilers(the admins are already after my life for all the spoiler I've done...)
Your synopsis makes more sense than me...but then, how did Shirou managed to trace avalon? Saber knows Shirou and avalon is one, as far as I'm concerned. She was always surprised that Shirou heals so quick after every battle in the past---we spectators all know it's the side effect of avalon, though in this episode, Saber's not surprised anymore. The only reason is that she knows Shirou has avalon within him.
And again 'imaging' or 'tracing', you still need a target before they can be created--imagine a wish machine and it asks you what you want. You can't say I want something I can win with--machines can't think, nor does magic. Therefore your theory of Shirou creating avalon is half true. He did create avalon, though he did not know about avalon. (talk about being bad at history, go to school Shirou!)

Does it matter when their tagteam omnipwns anybody? Yes, Saber alone and Shiro alone both come up short. That's why they tagteam and Shiro always manages to trace/create something right when it's needed most. Cuz he's uber-possessive of his Saber-chan ^-^. (That's why she needs to stick around in the present and live happily ever after.).

The thing is, all other magicians just cower behind their servants (aside from Kuzuki, but king pikachu owned them both handily enough) while Shiro, underdog and in-love guy that he is, will go completely nuts over defending Saber, which leads to him always pulling through for her.

So I'd say whatever she loses in straight stats Saber gains in lots of teamwork.

Shirou and Kuzuki are both out of their mind...and Shirou just happen to be the main character so he's invincible(and even if he dies he'll be revived, recainated, re-summoned and recycled). If Illya(anyone for this idea?) is the main character Shirou would have died in episode 2.

I like the Shirou's confession this episode...wish I'm Saber now...

[Demongod86]

Actually Shirou is invincible because of what he just summoned. He IS avalon (or so Saber said) therefore unknown to him, he's a complete tank. So he protects Saber like any knight should defend his lady. Even if his lady dishes out major pwnage.

[iamandragon]

No. His father stuck avalon in Shirou(don't ask me how...too hot)

Question: How does gil get the nickname 'Pikachu'?

[Alu]

[spoiler]....[/spoiker]

Question: How does gil get the nickname 'Pikachu'?

eh..., " /spoiKer " ^^ ? It would be best if you fixed that.., specialy because it is a Major.. spoiler..

[iamandragon]

Thanks. fixed it.
No one able to answer my question?

[monster]

He's yellow, and as episode 21 has shown, he's got sparks.:heh:

I don't know, ask Demongod86 or whoever said it first.

[Shiroth]

How does gil get the nickname 'Pikachu'?
Seriously.. do you really need to ask that?

You say you know about the game, and don't even know something so obvious?

[aldeayeah]

Question:
As many answers as possible. How would you explain a reality marble?

Not having played Tsukihime nor Fate, I have to believe what The Moonlit World says in the section Tsukihime->Encyclopedia->Vampires. In bold, my own comments/interpretations/doubts:

固有結界 koyuu kekkai
Innate Bounded Field, also known as Reality Marble

High level ability to create an unique bounded space of their own (I guess he means "around oneself"), outside the law of nature, and perform something spectacular. However, it requires a great amount of concentration and energy to maintain it because the world itself will try to crush an alternate world created within itself (is that the reason why there's a "fire wall" surrounding UBW when it's summoned? is that fire the clash between reality and the Reality Marble?). It was originally a type of power exclusive to creatures known as demons, but many beings today are able to use it (magic users, I guess, because of the originally demonic nature of majutsu). At least, all the Dead Apostle Ancestors have this ability. It is also one of the goal for the mages to achieve this ability (so it looks like it's something that can be achieved through training/research).

What's different from Marble Phantasm (for those who don't know, Marble Phantasm is the ultimate reality-shaping ability that Arcueid has in Tsukihime) is that the user can't freely choose its shape (according to what it says afterwards, I'd say "nature", not "shape"...). Since it's the user's inner surface that's taking shape (so it's a reflection of the user's soul), the user can't add anything to that shape by will. But on the other hand, it has the power to influence things that aren't part of nature, and it may have an advantage over Marble Phantasm. In other words, Marble Phantasm can do anything if it's within nature while Reality Marble can only do one thing unique to the user (for example, in the case of Archer, he's limited to creating infinite swords), but it's not limited to nature (so it's truly an alternate universe).

That's what I understood. I probably got it all wrong, but whatever.

[iamandragon]

Seriously.. do you really need to ask that?

You say you know about the game, and don't even know something so obvious?

I know the game, but not every single details...

Not having played Tsukihime nor Fate, I have to believe what The Moonlit World says in the section Tsukihime->Encyclopedia->Vampires. In bold, my own comments/interpretations/doubts:



That's what I understood. I probably got it all wrong, but whatever.

Well of course I've read up on that...just asking for more knowledge...

[Shiroth]

I know the game, but not every single details...
I hope you know Gil' having the nickname Pikachu as nothing to do with the game.

Ok, likes look into this:

Both gold/yellow, and have the same style of thunder affect - make sense?

[iamandragon]

So who started the nick name 'pikachu'?

[Deathkillz]

So who started the nick name 'pikachu'?
someone who was obviously really bored...i didnt understand the first time i saw it either :p

[Shiroth]

So who started the nick name 'pikachu'?
You really think someone knows the right person who did?

[Alu]

Is realy any of this to any relevance to the Story ?

@imamandragon : I didn't asnwer the question when I pointed out your mistake on the "spoiker" ^^ earlier simply because..., it seemed and still does in fact like a Pointless question..

I mean.., there is absolutly no importance who started to use that nickname on him.., people also use others like before he made his appearence in the anime; as to not give out any spoilers regarding him.., I saw many adress him as "Our Golden Clad friend". (which I in fact did aswell)

Its just something people do.., he does have some 'resemblences' to Pikachu so.. :p

Though all of this is complealy irrelevant in my eyes.., both to the Story and this Thread..

[Shiroth]

Is realy any of this to any relevance to the Story ?
The Question & Answer thread is about Fate/Stay Night, not just the story.

Though all of this is complealy irrelevant in my eyes.., both to the Story and this Thread..
Like i just said, anything can be asked - i don't see anything wrong with wondering about a nickname.

[iamandragon]

I just wanted to know...it's an interesting fact that forum members in China, Korea and Russia all address Gil as 'pikachu' as well...in different manners...

[Incoan]

...and Russia all address Gil as 'pikachu' as well...in different manners...
What? :) Never heard anyone in Russia adressing Gilgamesh as pikachu...

[Alu]

Like i just said, anything can be asked - i don't see anything wrong with wondering about a nickname.

Wondering about a nickname, as in, who does it refer too, or even why is it used, is one thing..; but in THIS CASE wondering who came up with it ? That's like finding a needle in a haystack to say the least..

Judging by the fact that most of these are made up through common sence, specialy in this case, since both the characters share resemblences.., from the moment that someone uses the resemblence to identify the character (in this case), it becomes compleatly known; thus rendering what I previously said.., asking who started this compleatly irrelevant.

My choice of words may have not been the best in the last post, for my main language is not english.., never the less I emphasise the fact that all what I said is regarding THIS question, regarding THIS nickname.

[iamandragon]

The question has been answered by Demongod, thanks everyone for your sincere help.

Case closed.

[stormy001_M1A2]

So who started the nick name 'pikachu'?

Rin Tohsaka is the one who uses this insulting nickname for Gilgamesh.

[iamandragon]

Rin Tohsaka is the one who uses this insulting nickname for Gilgamesh.

Didn't I say: case closed? I've already found the answer...

[Shiroth]

Didn't I say: case closed? I've already found the answer...
But without you mentioning the name, you could have easily just said that 'cause you didn't know the name.

[iamandragon]

But without you mentioning the name, you could have easily just said that 'cause you didn't know the name.

???
don't get you...

[Shiroth]

???
don't get you...
Forget it.

Its true what Stormy said, after that the nickname was used all around the world.

[LCeh]

I am sorry, this is a really noob question, but I tried searching and couldn't find an answer.

When we talk about Noble Phantasm, is it referring to the servant's weapon, or is it referring to the "move", or "ability" that the particular servant can pull off?

[gammaoh]

The Noble Phantasm is actually the weapon itself (or sometimes a spell/beast) but used as in the legend.

To fully use a Noble Phantasm, you have to call out its name, thus revealing your identity.

[iamandragon]

Noble Phantasm is quite a bad translation...If you know Japanese and translate it the two characters will mean 'treasure' and 'item' and thus Noble Phantasm is 'treasured item' or 'item with great value'. gammaoh is 100% right it's the weapon. (kinda weird that you've to call out its name...well Japanese all like to scream at their top of their voice when fighting guess this is another excuse for them to scream...)

[gammaoh]

Noble Phantasm is quite a bad translation...If you know Japanese and translate it the two characters will mean 'treasure' and 'item' and thus Noble Phantasm is 'treasured item' or 'item with great value'. gammaoh is 100% right it's the weapon. (kinda weird that you've to call out its name...well Japanese all like to scream at their top of their voice when fighting guess this is another excuse for them to scream...)

Shounen manga imperatives :D

Can you imagine Dragon Ball without Songoku screaming KAMEHAMEHA? ;)

[ReinhartX]

when will the vcd of FSN be released?? or manga if theres any

[iamandragon]

Shounen manga imperatives :D

Can you imagine Dragon Ball without Songoku screaming KAMEHAMEHA? ;)

It'll be much more realistic :P
No really, being a martial artist myself, I'm always annoyed when the characters in a movie/drama/anime scream, talk, complain and debate while fighting--that's really, really unrealistic.

when will the vcd of FSN be released?? or manga if theres any
:Information corrected by Angelsama--check beneth for the truth:
ADD: Oh, but vcd will never be released.

[Shiroth]

DVD will be realeseaed when the anime is completely shown. Manga is out--two chapters are out.
Volumes one, two & just about three are around R2 - the anime hasen't been annoucened yet for a R1 release.

Know what you're saying before saying anything.

[gammaoh]

But it's a Japanese R2 right?

We European could read it on our DVD players but it'd still amount to watching a raw, not that I care so much but it's problematic if I want to lend it to someone who doesn't understand Japanese...

Think I'll wait for R1 or European R2.

[Shiroth]

I'm getting the R2 Japanese at the moment, but still iamandragon should have at least talked about them.

[Hemisphere]

Here's some questions, since I might have forgotten all about it.

Lancer's Master is Kotomine.
Gilgamesh's Master is Kotomine.

So isn't the mana source between them split into half, affecting their stats? Or is that what should regularly happen, but with Gilgamesh affected by the mana from the destroyed Holy Grail, does it make him retain not only a human form but also his stats?

Also, Lancer's original Master is Bazette, and Kotomine "stole" Lancer from her. How did Kotomine get to summon Lancer in this Holy Grail War?

Thanks for the time! :D

[iamandragon]

Here's some questions, since I might have forgotten all about it.

Lancer's Master is Kotomine.
Gilgamesh's Master is Kotomine.

So isn't the mana source between them split into half, affecting their stats? Or is that what should regularly happen, but with Gilgamesh affected by the mana from the destroyed Holy Grail, does it make him retain not only a human form but also his stats?

Also, Lancer's original Master is Bazette, and Kotomine "stole" Lancer from her. How did Kotomine get to summon Lancer in this Holy Grail War?

Thanks for the time! :D

Nope. Kotomine's mana is only supporting Lancer. Gilgamesh is from the last war and his mana supply comes from him hunting other people+the mana in the holy grail from the last war, which was spilled onto him when Saber destroyed it.
Kotomine 'robbed' Lancer from her, not stole. He took her command lines. Of course, we'll bypass this problem in the anime and just say Kotome is the master.

[Hemisphere]

So if I remember correctly, then

Gilgamesh's mana source comes from the children in Kotomine's "cellar" as well as from the grail, so he needs little to no support from Kotomine. Yeah, I forgot that, the second case of my question holds true then.

Here's another question.

"The child cannot defeat the parent" is the standing rule in Hougus/Noble Phantasms. However, what of Gae bolg's case? Since I remember, somehow, that Gae Bolg was the standing exception to this rule. I can't remember how I came upon that piece of information, though.

[Darkside]

How do a male master and male servant rejuvinate mana?

[iamandragon]

So if I remember correctly, then

Gilgamesh's mana source comes from the children in Kotomine's "cellar" as well as from the grail, so he needs little to no support from Kotomine. Yeah, I forgot that, the second case of my question holds true then.

Here's another question.

"The child cannot defeat the parent" is the standing rule in Hougus/Noble Phantasms. However, what of Gae bolg's case? Since I remember, somehow, that Gae Bolg was the standing exception to this rule. I can't remember how I came upon that piece of information, though.

Here's a hint:
The child cannot defeat the parent, though the child can go for the master of the parent...

How do a male master and male servant rejuvinate mana?

Ooooo! Good one! If that happens I'll buy the game!

[Hemisphere]

That's...somehow disappointing. I was expecting more of an answer within the context of the weapons itself.

Okay, yet another question!

In the previous War, these were all the Servants IIRC:
Rider: Alexander
Saber: Arturia
Archer: Gilgamesh
Lancer: Cu Chulain (his name is -___-;)
Avenger: Angra Mainyu

So does anybody have an idea of who the two remaining Servants might be, or what their Servant classes are? I'm pretty sure one from the line of Caster, Berserker or Assassin is missing, since only Seven Servants are allowed per Holy Grail battle.

[iamandragon]

That's...somehow disappointing. I was expecting more of an answer within the context of the weapons itself.

Okay, yet another question!

In the previous War, these were all the Servants IIRC:
Rider: Alexander
Saber: Arturia
Archer: Gilgamesh
Lancer: Cu Chulain (his name is -___-;)
Avenger: Angra Mainyu

So does anybody have an idea of who the two remaining Servants might be, or what their Servant classes are? I'm pretty sure one from the line of Caster, Berserker or Assassin is missing, since only Seven Servants are allowed per Holy Grail battle.

Whoa--how do you get that information?

[stormy001_M1A2]

Fate/Hollow Ataraxia.

The writer never reveal more Servants from past Wars, so I only knew Alexnader the Great ( in game he was called Iskandar Zulkarnian, Arabic version of his name) and Angra Mariyu, Avenger class.

In 3rd War, there supposed to be 2 Sabers. But I don't know how it works too.

[gammaoh]

The two Saber is a duo, hence they are considered as only one Servant.

As for Assassin, it is Hassan Sabbah, the one summoned by Matou Zouken in HF path.

Berserker class Servants are never mentionned since all Masters, except Ilya, have failed to control mad enhancement.

[Archer]

How do a male master and male servant rejuvinate mana?

Obviously from stealing mana from other people, a la Rider.

[Xebek]

Don't even need to do that, just a Master being a good and complete magician mana will transfer to the Servant without them doing any special things, only reason Shirou had to do special things is because he sucks as far as being a magician is concerned, or at least at that moment he was.

[Village Idiot]

Normally, a Master would automatically transfer a portion of their mana regeneration to their Servant.

[Deathkillz]

mana is leaked to the servant via the master subconciously...its just that shirou either a) has crappy mana stock or b) his body circuit isnt fully connected/working therefore his mana cnt leak out to saber or c) saber was summoned half assed and the connection between them is somewat weak...

[aldeayeah]

Lots, lots, lots of questions that can be summarized as: What is exactly the Grail?

Also some Tsukihime-related stuff. Actually, this is more about the cosmogony of the Nasuverse.

I'd love it if you corrected all the misconceptions and stuff that you find down there (based on game facts), and I'd be happy to hear other people's interpretations too (based on speculation).

Be warned, it's a veeery long post.

After spoiling myself to exhaustion, I got a vague idea, which is:

The Grail/War of the Grail is an artifact/ritual of the highest rank created/devised by powerful sorcerers which consists basically of a gate to the "source of souls", hence the source of life. Taming its power would allow a sorcerer to perform things like true immortality, true resurrection and true reincarnation (unlike its vampiric counterparts that steal it from living things), all of which are acts of "True Magic" (mahou). It's said that the Grail is the gate to the Third Magic.

The original Grail, created by the Einzberns, Tohsaka and Makiri (under the supervision of the omnipresent -pun intended- Zelretch) was "pure" and gave access only to human or divine (gods created by humanity) souls (that's why originally all Servants where either human or demi-godly). Then it was "tainted" (I think of it as if somebody, namely the Einzbern, "forced the door open" to summon a demonic spirit) and became a gate for all sorts of inhuman spirits (demonic beings like Medusa, Angra, etc)

QUESTION : Is the Grail the only possible gate to the Third Magic?
Or is it just the only one that they could come up with?

QUESTION [Tsukihime related] : Is that "source of souls" related to/the same as the "source of existence" that Shiki Nanaya perceives as the "death of things"? (my guess is "no")
Is it related to Shiki Tohno's perception of the "life of things"? (my guess is "yes")
Is it the source of "Odo" that all living things (particularly sorcerers) are connected to?

QUESTION: The Grail is described as having several "parts". What are the "parts" of the Grail? What's the meaning of each one of them?

QUESTION: What is the content/water of the Grail? (my guess: it's pure "Odo" (life energy), that's why it allows Gilgamesh to stay in the world)

QUESTION: Is the "source of souls" also the "place" where all souls go back after Death? Or only the souls of Servants?

QUESTION: Is the soul of an "ultimately destroyed" entity (for example, somebody whose "existence dot" was pierced by Shiki Tohno) destroyed, or can they be resurrected? In other words, have the souls of Roa/Nero returned to the source, or have they been annihilated?

QUESTION [Tsukihime related] : Could we summon a Dead Apostle from the tainted Grail? Or would their soul revert to their original human state? And what about summoning True Ancestors that have been killed? They'd come in handy as Servants...

QUESTION [Tsukihime related] : Is an Earth spirit and a Demonic spirit the same thing? (primeval spirits, unrelated to humanity, created by the planet itself)

QUESTION [Tsukihime related] : In different places, I've seen all of the following described as "Counter Forces":

- True Ancestors
- Servants
- Demon Hunters
- Earth spirits / Demonic spirits

What is exactly a Counter Force in the Nasuverse?
I really need to learn to read Japanese better...

[Demongod86]

How do a male master and male servant rejuvinate mana?

Backdooring.

[iamandragon]

Backdooring.

mana is leaked to the servant via the master subconciously...its just that shirou either a) has crappy mana stock or b) his body circuit isnt fully connected/working therefore his mana cnt leak out to saber or c) saber was summoned half assed and the connection between them is somewat weak...

Deathkillz have explained it pretty well before--no need to make guesses~

[Village Idiot]

QUESTION: What is the content/water of the Grail? (my guess: it's pure "Odo" (life energy), that's why it allows Gilgamesh to stay in the world)

IIRC, pure life magics.

QUESTION: Is the soul of an "ultimately destroyed" entity (for example, somebody whose "existence dot" was pierced by Shiki Tohno) destroyed, or can they be resurrected? In other words, have the souls of Roa/Nero returned to the source, or have they been annihilated?

Not sure on this, someone please correct me, but IIRC, things pierced by the dot are erased from existence.

QUESTION [Tsukihime related] : In different places, I've seen all of the following described as "Counter Forces":

- True Ancestors
- Servants
- Demon Hunters
- Earth spirits / Demonic spirits

What is exactly a Counter Force in the Nasuverse?

IIRC, someone who is not Divine/Worshipped.

[Hemisphere]

Things pierced by Shiki Tohno's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception aren't just killed off - their existence is completely erased.

[iamandragon]

Things pierced by Shiki Tohno's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception aren't just killed off - their existence is completely erased.

Which is weird--he killed Arcuid with his eyes of death though she came back to life...

[Village Idiot]

Shiki cut the lines, not pierce the dot in terms of Arcurid.

Cutting the lines just kills the object, not erase their existence like piercing the dot would.

[aldeayeah]

This is from the images thread, but I thought it'd be interesting to post it here to keep on topic:

- What happens if two fundamentally different Reality Marbles (that is: not Shirou's and Archer's) are summoned at the same time, or if one is summoned inside the other? Will they both have effect, or will they clash, eventually one of them (probably the one controlled by the most skilled user / the one with most mana) cancelling the other? Has this happened before in the Nasuverse?

- Is Marble Phantasm fully operative inside a Reality Marble? (Did Arcueid use it when inside Nero's? I didn't play Tsukihime so I don't know the answer...)

[iamandragon]

Dangit, I was abou to move this question here.
I think they will clash, they will start repelling each other, either pushing both users away or have two reality marbles that's deformed in shape.(Imagine when you have jelly and push them against each other(without smashing them--that's what I think will happen.)

[Deathkillz]

i think that when 2 are summoned at the same time...the stronger one will retain its original strangth/power etc while the weaker one will become deformed and even more weak...
how do you determaine wheather a reality marble is stronger or weker? well my guess would be it depends on the spirit of the one who uses the reality marble...do you have a big enough heart like shirou who never gives up? i think thats wht is important...

[Hemisphere]

This is from the images thread, but I thought it'd be interesting to post it here to keep on topic:

- What happens if two fundamentally different Reality Marbles (that is: not Shirou's and Archer's) are summoned at the same time, or if one is summoned inside the other? Will they both have effect, or will they clash, eventually one of them (probably the one controlled by the most skilled user / the one with most mana) cancelling the other? Has this happened before in the Nasuverse?

- Is Marble Phantasm fully operative inside a Reality Marble? (Did Arcueid use it when inside Nero's? I didn't play Tsukihime so I don't know the answer...)
If I recall correctly...

Reality Marbles are simply "imaginary worlds" - temporary worlds, if you would call it, that projects themselves in real space or in our world to allow its user the capabilities of bending the natural order of things to suit its purpose.

If you put it that way, then it depends on who has the stronger control over their Reality Marble. Since reality is always trying to crush Reality Marbles the moment they are created, those who have the ability to control their Reality Marbles, aswell as keep it functional with their Mana, will be the one who will have their Reality Marble standing.

Just my speciulation, though.

[Village Idiot]

- What happens if two fundamentally different Reality Marbles (that is: not Shirou's and Archer's) are summoned at the same time, or if one is summoned inside the other? Will they both have effect, or will they clash, eventually one of them (probably the one controlled by the most skilled user / the one with most mana) cancelling the other? Has this happened before in the Nasuverse?

Pure speculation on my part, but I would think the person with stronger willpower can force their Reality Marble to overpower the other.

- Is Marble Phantasm fully operative inside a Reality Marble? (Did Arcueid use it when inside Nero's? I didn't play Tsukihime so I don't know the answer...)

Depends on the laws inside the Realty Marble.

Because a Reality Marble breaks the laws of nature, and Marble Phantasm must follow the laws of nature, in theory, it should be possible for a specific Reality Marble to make Marble Phantasms not work.

But you cannot choose the abilities of a Reality Marble, its abilities depends on the current state of one's soul, so a Reality Marble that specifically cancels out a Marble Phantasm will probably be very rare, or non-existent.

[monster]

But you cannot choose the abilities of a Reality Marble, its abilities depends on the current state of one's soul, so a Reality Marble that specifically cancels out a Marble Phantasm will probably be very rare, or non-existent. Does that mean someone could actually have different reality marbles at different times of his/her life if the state of the soul changes? And I don't mean like Shirou/Archer, but could Shirou actually have a reality marble other than UBW, if the state of his soul really changed?

[gammaoh]

Does that mean someone could actually have different reality marbles at different times of his/her life if the state of the soul changes? And I don't mean like Shirou/Archer, but could Shirou actually have a reality marble other than UBW, if the state of his soul really changed?

Usually, people don't change much in their lives. I mean, their inner self usually don't change at all. People can appear different, but they remain the same IMO.

So having something completely different than UBW for Shirou is off the point for me. It's just my personal opinion though.

[iamandragon]

Usually, people don't change much in their lives. I mean, their inner self usually don't change at all. People can appear different, but they remain the same IMO.

So having something completely different than UBW for Shirou is off the point for me. It's just my personal opinion though.

Go out and kill a lot of people and your inner self would change.
You've got it right, people don't change much, but there're always little changes here and there over time--any change is enough to lead to a possibility clash of their UBW.

[Mirtual]

I have a question again. I hope it has not been asked before, but as always I am too lazy to go through the 38 pages to make sure ...

How is the game like? I mean is it some kind of text adventure? Or is it RPG like? Do you have something like items? So, what kind of games are the fate games?

[iamandragon]

The game is like reading a book with pictures that moves, flashes and makes sound--and you get to make choices at some point of the game.
It's a 'visual novel'

[gammaoh]

I have a question again. I hope it has not been asked before, but as always I am too lazy to go through the 38 pages to make sure ...

How is the game like? I mean is it some kind of text adventure? Or is it RPG like? Do you have something like items? So, what kind of games are the fate games?

It's an interactive novel. Actually, it's almost like reading a story with some background musics and some choices to make from time to time.

[aldeayeah]

Because a Reality Marble breaks the laws of nature, and Marble Phantasm must follow the laws of nature, in theory, it should be possible for a specific Reality Marble to make Marble Phantasms not work.
Then... Marble Phantasms would still work inside a Reality Marble, but they would only affect those aspects of reality that haven't been changed by the Reality Marble. Is it like that?

The Nasuverse is indeed complex. Ahhh, I want to play it all on my own... :heh:

[gammaoh]

Then... Marble Phantasms would still work inside a Reality Marble, but they would only affect those aspects of reality that haven't been changed by the Reality Marble. Is it like that?

The Nasuverse is indeed complex. Ahhh, I want to play it all on my own... :heh:

Not really. If a Marble Phantasm can work in a RM, it will have to follow the new rules set by the RM.

But that's pure speculation.

[Mirtual]

After rewatching episode 14 a question came to my mind.
Did Archer knew he was going to die there? I mean IF Archer is Shirou from the future, then he should have the memory of the current Shirou and thus know that he would die in this war and even that it would be in his fight with Berserker.
Somehow this is odd.

[Hemisphere]

After rewatching episode 14 a question came to my mind.
Did Archer knew he was going to die there? I mean IF Archer is Shirou from the future, then he should have the memory of the current Shirou and thus know that he would die in this war and even that it would be in his fight with Berserker.
Somehow this is odd.
Archer knew he was going to die simply because of this.

Due to his weakened state, his only chance at winning his fight against Berserker, was to kill Ilya.

But could Shirou ever do that? No. So he took the "valiant" way out. Activate UBW and, as he promised, buy time for Rin and the others to escape.

[gammaoh]

You have to dissociate Shirou from Archer.

Archer doesn't have exactly the same memories as Shirou. Time paradox is a very hard concept to grasp.

At the beginning, he thought he could win against Berserker but he was left behind and alone. He quickly realized he was going to bite it in this fight.

And yes, his only way out would have been to kill Ilya which would have been morally impossible for him to do. He could have won if Rin was there to assist him and provide him with extra mana. But she wasn't. His mana pool dried up and Archer disappeared.