View Full Version : So, we are in an "original story" arc now.
viperlance
2006-01-18, 18:00
What is the definition of filler?? I thought filler is just one or two episodes that has nothing to do with the main story, which are ussually created by a different team form the main team that create the main story.
But episode 64th doesn's seems to be a filler to me due to the fact that is has a solid story.
NoSanninWa
2006-01-18, 18:01
Yes. This is filler. It has nothing to do with the main story and it is created by a different team from the main story. It was not in the manga. You are absolutely correct with your definition of filler.
Perhaps Bleach is going to prove that filler can also have a solid story. We haven't seen enough to be sure that the story is solid, but it does look very promising. You only believe that filler has to be bad because you've never seen any well written filler.
The Stig
2006-01-19, 11:40
Yea its too early to be making a judgement on the filler arc yet. 64 did have some manga elements implemented into it however. Those that follow both will know what I'm talking about. The animation looks second level to me but thats relatively minor because it is a filler arc. There's some funny elements to this past episode that made me smile a bit, so I'm hopeful for the remainder of the arc. But yes the new ending is disturbing.
I have it downloaded on my hdd, but I'm going scan now :D
it's still nice to have "filler arc" with Renji and Ichigo (maybe Chad and somebody else) instead of Kurakura's team (or whatever)... maybe kids were fun and refreshing after some tenshion, but whole arc about them would work worse than all Naruto's fillers :D
form preview that I saw in 1h special, and screencap, It might be something cool, but I wonder how they'll explain it all (did they go to hell, or new dimention) if evilg guys aren't shinigami or hollows (or anything like that) than they being Chad/Inoue super humans with powers would be nice to prove that something like that happens :D
Circular Logic
2006-01-20, 14:39
It may be illogical, but I'm not downloading 1 more bleach episode until we're back on to the normal manga storyline. I may be being unfair towards the filler, but I've had Naruto ruined for me, so I'm refusing to watch any bleach filler. Anyone with me?
I will, Give Bleach Filler a Chance, I got a couple of Anime that have a entire arc made only by filler, and it was enjoyable, The one that comes to mind right away is Full Metal Alchemist.
Naruto on the other hand, I saw it coming that the Animation team was not that good in making stories, hence we have a current load of Stories that are really bad.
In the case of Bleach, I have not seen the recent Episode, but many people comment that the Story quality is good, and that the filler sequence show promise.
acidflower
2006-01-20, 16:27
It may be illogical, but I'm not downloading 1 more bleach episode until we're back on to the normal manga storyline. I may be being unfair towards the filler, but I've had Naruto ruined for me, so I'm refusing to watch any bleach filler. Anyone with me?
Nope. NARUTO AND BLEACH ARE NOT DIRECTED BY THE SAME PERSON. :D
But hey, I have a question. If one anime ruined your entire impression on anime, I suppose you wouldn't watch another anime ever again? Right?
Haha, but anyways, its your loss. =P
Oh yes, another question would be, if you had one bad experience with a soccer ball, I suppose you'll never touch or go near a soccer ball again (meaning you'll never play soccer again).
wingdarkness
2006-01-20, 16:34
It just gets on my nerves with manga freaks have to perpetuate the fact that we are watching filler...What many of them gloss over or forget is that nearly every anime series (accept the 26 and under, but even them sometimes) have filler episodes...It doesn't matter...All that matters is that it is good...If it is good, it's just an episode of Bleach...
Naruto's filler isn't that good, but that doesn't mean everytime a filler arc comes up we have to get this condesending pattern started of doubting or feeling bad about filler...Get over it guys (including manga-heads)...Fillers are just new episodes of BLEACH and if they are good new episodes then that's just what it is nothing more...For the longest I thought SS arc could be filler with how slow and methodical it had become, but it got great down the stretch..If this current arc does the same I'll feel no different about it than I did about the last...N00bz get clouded when they here it's filler arc, feeling it isn't worth watching (I read n00bz all the time asking should I skip so and so cause it's filler)...I just wish we could kill this stereotype...Fillers are just (episodics) episodes of the show...If manga doesn't exist to you it's even more than that...
scorpio516
2006-01-20, 17:17
Filler is only one episode and stand alone (unless its a bebop-like series with all the episodes episodic).
Ep 64 definatly is not filler as it seems like the start of atleast a mini arc.
IMHO
Filler is only one episode and stand alone (unless its a bebop-like series with all the episodes episodic).
Not all the time. I mean...the last like 30+ (I think) episodes of Naruto has been filler. Filler is basically just a term to describe an "original" concept that was placed into an anime that was not present in the manga. It doesn't necessarily have to be just one episode, nor does it being filler automatically make it bad (general statement, not directed towards anyone).
primalmx
2006-01-20, 23:02
Haven't seen 64 yet... but as long as they dont do episodes about "what happened up to now" I coudl care less :) As for Naruto... I saw 10 ps of it.... lol... that series is too long :P
~prime
I think there are 2 types of fillers:
1) 1-3 episodes that have nothing to do with the story, just to fill some gaps before continuing the story.
2) mini arcs, like the one Bleach is starting now, and Naruto ones.
For me, PoT did a great job at their fillers(1-2 episodes stuff). They were suppose to be funny, and they were.
Even the entire episode 130-178(all of which was different/not shown in the manga) were well done, no sudden mockery like the ones in Naruto (especially the part about the bug hunt....ug).
Does the Bleach filler arc have a potential? Yes, specific 3 villians that dont look silly is pretty much good enough for me.
i totally agree with you darkness. im getting tierd of ppl not even giving this a chanse. this filler actually seems interesting. for the ppl who dont read the manga we dont really know the difference anyway so...
i will admit some of the naruto mfillers have been CRAP but others have been ok. just because it doesent help the main manga story doesent mean it cant be cool. hell even the non fillers ep suck from time to time. maybe we will get more happy with bleach filler then naruto ones. not even looking at the first ep cuz "it might get ruined" if you dont like it after watching the first one and it doesent apeal to you then dont download until it starts with manga story again...
i might be coming of a bit harsh here and i dont mean to just some of these manga readers doesent even give it a chanse. just my 2 cents
Komataguri
2006-01-21, 00:36
I'm suprised at the number of manga aspects they put into this episode.
Well, as long as they aren't on some scooby-doo adventure that give little to no entertainment value, i dont mind filler arcs.
The anime has been almost dead on to the manga up till now, so I think i can handle some new stuff.
Manga follower just pissed over filler arc because they lost their crystal ball advantage to their anime only viewer counterpart :heh:
If, for example, you've never even read the manga .. do you even know that this arc is a filler? Do you enjoy it? Just keep these question in mind .. If it do, does it matter if its filler or not?
wingdarkness
2006-01-21, 03:31
^I think you hit it right on the head even if you were kidding K_R...Now that manga-heads don't have that pseudo-superiority and can't bask in the glory of knowing more than anime-only viewers they scream "FILLER-ARC!!!":eek: Well time to see how the other guy lives...Is the grass greener on this side I wonder?
Anyways this normal episode of BLEACH was pretty good and I'm excited to see where these normal episodes go...
Meh, I can usually tell if something is a filler arc or not based on the character designs for the arc characters. It's pointless to assert this in hindsight, but I believe that the new characters for this arc are sufficiently different that I would think this was filler, even if I hadn't read the manga. In this case, costume design mostly.
Not that fillers are always bad, but they usually stick out.
i don't understand why people would bitch or rave about this filler arc.. we're only one episode into it!
for those who are looking for something meaningful in all this should just turn away, but for us mere mortals.. we just want something for laughs and keep our minds off the real world.
@wingdarkness.. i prefer you being very colourful instead of trying too hard to be eloquent
wingdarkness
2006-01-21, 04:19
^Sorry 1.0.7., but in addition to being arrogant, I'm colorful and eloquent :p ...
You'll just have to like one-side and ignore the other I guess...I pretty much concur with what you just said, but I think "so-called" filler eps can have as much if not more meaning than it's counterpart...It's all up to the viewer...Once again if manga doesn't exist this whole conversation would be void...If I didn't have Roadrunner high speed internet the same would be true...You wouldn't know what these new eps were...
Like Bahamut89 I can tell when a anime shifts from episodes or the atmosphere of the series changes (which is an indication of filler)..The difference is it doesn't matter to me as long as it's good...Sometimes filler exist for the soul purpose of giving you more character interaction without having to progress the overall plot...Think about how many characters BLEACH has...Is it really that bad to cut half of them out right now and put more focus on the main cast? A filler arc can serve the purpose of giving characters more depth, something that is ridiculously missing in the Soul Society arc were there are far too many characters given screentime (for development that is, the little 2 minute side-stories of each character isn't enuff)...Hopefully these new eps will serve the purpose I'm getting at...
Sometimes filler exist for the soul purpose of giving you more character interaction without having to progress the overall plot...Think about how many characters BLEACH has...Is it really that bad to cut half of them out right now and put more focus on the main cast? A filler arc can serve the purpose of giving characters more depth, something that is ridiculously missing in the Soul Society arc were there are far too many characters given screentime (for development that is, the little 2 minute side-stories of each character isn't enuff)...Hopefully these new eps will serve the purpose I'm getting at...
Thats true. But I guess people are more concerned about the story of these "fillers" rather than character development.
Naruto's fillers for example, was mostly focusing on char development. Just that the story wasn't....good enough. Also, people feel that these char developments in the fillers cant be taken as canon(I guess that means official) information.
Bleach seems to be on the char development path though, with episode 64 having more involvement with Ishida, Chado and Inoue.
Personally I wouldn't mind filler arcs IF they still have the ambience of the manga. I hate it when they deviate so far out that it's almost as though they're undermining the canon universe.
Filler arcs, if done well, gives Bleach fans an added bonus when watching the anime. As a manga reader, anything new added to the anime without spoiling the story is like having an extra christmas gift =D.
Thewanderer
2006-01-21, 08:39
Meh, I can usually tell if something is a filler arc or not based on the character designs for the arc characters. It's pointless to assert this in hindsight, but I believe that the new characters for this arc are sufficiently different that I would think this was filler, even if I hadn't read the manga. In this case, costume design mostly.
Not that fillers are always bad, but they usually stick out.
Costume design? I didn't see any difference in their clothing from, say, the "Prologue" arc.
Like Bahamut89 I can tell when a anime shifts from episodes or the atmosphere of the series changes (which is an indication of filler)..The difference is it doesn't matter to me as long as it's good...Sometimes filler exist for the soul purpose of giving you more character interaction without having to progress the overall plot...Think about how many characters BLEACH has...Is it really that bad to cut half of them out right now and put more focus on the main cast? A filler arc can serve the purpose of giving characters more depth, something that is ridiculously missing in the Soul Society arc were there are far too many characters given screentime (for development that is, the little 2 minute side-stories of each character isn't enuff)...Hopefully these new eps will serve the purpose I'm getting at...
Please, tell us how the atmosphere is supposed to feel like when the characters are back on Earth if it can be the same as the last arc.
Personally I wouldn't mind filler arcs IF they still have the ambience of the manga. I hate it when they deviate so far out that it's almost as though they're undermining the canon universe.
I have no idea how a show like this would even lose it's normal "ambience". I haven't watched the Naruto "filler" arc, but I do recall that the Garlic Jr arc in DBZ was a filler(or so I heard) and it seemed pretty normal to me. And I don't see how arcs like this aren't canon.
Take it from me, a non-manga reader. This arc is about as normal as Bleach gets.
as for now there isn't anything missing that would make manga's continuation imposible :D if filler's character won't turn into normal souls at the end or something than they still can be shown like too weak to help than :D
ANOTHER 1-hr special coming soon:
Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4240&page=25)
2006-01-24. 65. Creeping Terror, the Second Victim
Shinobi yoru kyoufu, 2 banme no giseisha 「忍び寄る恐怖、2番目の犠牲者」
2006-01-31. 66. Break Through! The Trap Hidden in the Labyrinth
Toppa seyo! Meikyuu ni hisomu wana 「突破せよ!迷宮に潜む罠」
2006-02-07. 67. Death Game! The Missing Classmate
Shi no GEEMU! Kieru KURASUMEITO 「死のゲーム!消えるクラスメイト」
2006-02-14. 68. True Identity of the Devil, the Secret which is Revealed
Akuma no shotai, akasareta himitsu 「悪魔の正体、明かされた秘密」
1-hr special
Possibly the end of the filler arc?
NoSanninWa
2006-01-23, 01:42
ANOTHER 1-hr special coming soon:
Possibly the end of the filler arc?
Even if that is the end of this particular story arc, I doubt that it is the end of the filler. That isn't likely to be enough episodes to give the manga enough of a head start. Besides, I suspect from manga information that we need more filler. Kubo Tito really did a great job of setting up the filler. It is more as if this "filler" was excised from the manga, than added to the anime. When reading the manga it really felt as if something was left out. Manga readers can see the shape of that hole.
Here's my evidence if you don't mind a very little bit of manga spoiling. (It's quite minor.)
In the manga, a number of shinigami suddenly showed up at Ichigo's school. Renji was just one of that crowd. I doubt that they are going to end the filler until every single one of that crowd has appeared in the filler. I suspect that they are each going to get to guest star in the spotlight for at least a single episode.
Until all of them have appeared, there isn't any way that the filler is over. I'd rather not list their names because that would be a serious spoiler, but there are quite a few.
FullMetalKid
2006-01-23, 02:48
The filler ep so far is actually good. Compared to most this is watchable and has at least a 60 to 70 percent of not turning for the worse.
ZippyDSM
2006-01-23, 03:00
the only way I can tell its a filler is if half the new eps are off *L*
Bleach seems to have better quilty controll anyway *L* I dont mind fillers but meh they rarely are better than main arc eps.....
I enjoy every episode and just take it as if its BLEACH. Not
BLEACH ARC 1
BLEACH ARC 2
BLEACH FILLER
And afterwards compare them saying Bleach has no quality control :x ?
Bleach is Bleach for me.
( I bet that made no sense : / )
I enjoy every episode and just take it as if its BLEACH.
amen, brother!
ZippyDSM
2006-01-23, 18:45
true Bleachs rewites the filler rule :P
at least the one were all fillers are bad :P
NoSanninWa
2006-01-23, 22:21
true Bleachs rewites the filler rule :P
at least the one were all fillers are bad :P
You've only seen a single episode so far. That is hardly good enough to prove that the original story is going to be good. At least wait until we find out what the plot is before you say this. It might be the lamest thing you've ever seen in your life.
I'm hopeful that it is good, but let's not throw our hats into the air yet.
Edit: This is an original story arc, so lets not use that insulting word. At least let's not use the f-word unless it seems to be worth insulting.
wingdarkness
2006-01-23, 22:40
How bout we begin by not saying the word filler...
Lets see how long we can go using more creative or mundane terms...
NoSanninWa
2006-01-23, 22:49
How bout we begin by not saying the word filler...
Lets see how long we can go using more creative or mundane terms...
How about calling it an "original story" :) Original does sound much better, doesn't it?
We're now in an original story arc!! :D
PS. I like this idea enough that I'll go back and edit my last post. I'm going to stop throwing around the f-word unless it turns out to be garbage.
Orchunter226
2006-01-23, 22:58
I'm kind of looking forward to a filler. It seems to have a story line coming on. I will like to see how this developes.
Not all fillers are bad. Sometimes you come accross those Diamonds in the rough.
How about calling it an "original story" :) Original does sound much better, doesn't it?
We're now in an original story arc!! :D
PS. I like this idea enough that I'll go back and edit my last post. I'm going to stop throwing around the f-word unless it turns out to be garbage.
How about editing the thread title as well?:)
NoSanninWa
2006-01-24, 01:36
Goal for today: Make wingdarkness happy. ;)
How about editing the thread title as well?:)
I think your suggestion should make today's goal a cinch. And maybe it will help dispell some of the bad publicity around the f-word. Of course, if this original story sucks, I'm switching back to the f-word in a hurry.
I think your suggestion should make today's goal a cinch. And maybe it will help dispell some of the bad publicity around the f-word. Of course, if this original story sucks, I'm switching back to the f-word in a hurry.
Rofl. You make the f-word sound much worst than it actually is.:heh:
NoSanninWa
2006-01-24, 04:20
Rofl. You make the f-word sound much worst than it actually is.:heh:
Blame wingdarkness. It is his pet peeve, not mine. I'm just having fun with his crusade.
How bout we begin by not saying the word filler...
Lets see how long we can go using more creative or mundane terms...
You mean euphemisms.
wingdarkness
2006-01-24, 08:06
Blame wingdarkness It is his pet peeve, not mine. I'm just having fun with his crusade...
Hmmm...Is this crusade really beneath me?
Nah...Because atleast it's something...
You mean euphemisms.
Heh...You should've red-worded that...
ZippyDSM
2006-01-24, 08:10
NoSanninWa but but but I cant wait :P
*L*but you have a point *L*
chidzuyo
2006-01-25, 05:23
It may be illogical, but I'm not downloading 1 more bleach episode until we're back on to the normal manga storyline. I may be being unfair towards the filler, but I've had Naruto ruined for me, so I'm refusing to watch any bleach filler. Anyone with me?
That's sad and silly at the same time. Don't put the same judgement on everything. You never know what you're going to get!
Even if that is the end of this particular story arc, I doubt that it is the end of the filler. That isn't likely to be enough episodes to give the manga enough of a head start. Besides, I suspect from manga information that we need more filler. Kubo Tito really did a great job of setting up the filler. It is more as if this "filler" was excised from the manga, than added to the anime. When reading the manga it really felt as if something was left out. Manga readers can see the shape of that hole.
Here's my evidence if you don't mind a very little bit of manga spoiling. (It's quite minor.)
In the manga, a number of shinigami suddenly showed up at Ichigo's school. Renji was just one of that crowd. I doubt that they are going to end the filler until every single one of that crowd has appeared in the filler. I suspect that they are each going to get to guest star in the spotlight for at least a single episode.
Until all of them have appeared, there isn't any way that the filler is over. I'd rather not list their names because that would be a serious spoiler, but there are quite a few.
You make a good point and I definitely agree that it felt like there was just too much missing in the transition of arcs. After watching 65, it looks like they're slowing transitioning through the "original story" arc so as to make it less "filler" like.
It seems as though 70 (not 68) will be the end of the "filler." I actually wish they would have done what you suggested with having more focus on the individual characters and extending it more, but it seems as though they're going back to the manga soon.
Thewanderer
2006-01-26, 02:33
You make a good point and I definitely agree that it felt like there was just too much missing in the transition of arcs. After watching 65, it looks like they're slowing transitioning through the "original story" arc so as to make it less "filler" like.
It seems as though 70 (not 68) will be the end of the "filler." I actually wish they would have done what you suggested with having more focus on the individual characters and extending it more, but it seems as though they're going back to the manga soon.
I see it more as a group of transition episodes till the next arc more than a 'filler' arc. Especially if they keep adding random manga elements to delute the anime-only parts like they have been...
I just started watching Bleach and I'm at episode 23 now. Can anyone tell me where this 'original arc' starts of and how many episodes it will be?
NoSanninWa
2006-01-26, 06:47
I just started watching Bleach and I'm at episode 23 now. Can anyone tell me where this 'original arc' starts of and how many episodes it will be?
It started at episode 64. That was just 2 episodes ago and we have no idea on how long it might be. We're pretty sure that it will run until at least episode 70, but after that is a complete lack of knowlege.
I were just wondering, how come that bleach already take a filler break already?
There are 210 manga chapters right? and we have 63 bleach episodes that follow the manga, also correct?
Compared to Naruto about 290 chapters, and the series is now 169 eps long. Still there are only about 30 filler eps in total.
So my point is why is this filler break needed right now?
Shinji103
2006-01-30, 17:11
I were just wondering, how come that bleach already take a filler break already?
There are 210 manga chapters right? and we have 63 bleach episodes that follow the manga, also correct?
Compared to Naruto about 290 chapters, and the series is now 169 eps long. Still there are only about 30 filler eps in total.
So my point is why is this filler break needed right now?Because it would be a lot harder to make a filler in the middle of what seems to be the final arc of the Bleach story. Instead, they're putting fillers into the time between the end of the Soul Society arc and the beginning of the Arankall arc, which makes more sense and is easier to do, too.
NoSanninWa
2006-01-30, 18:04
The filler is also now because while each episode of Bleach covers approximately 3 manga chapters, each episode of Naruto covers only 2 manga chapters. That means that Bleach catches up a LOT faster. The manga is only a little bit ahead of the anime right now. If we didn't have any filler at this point, it would catch up in less than a year.
Ok thanks you guys, that made things alot clearer to me.
According to the information I researched on Wikipedia about Bleach, the filler arc has been tentatively named as Agents from Hell.
killing the dream
2006-02-12, 15:38
I know there are certain elements that make the fillers humorous and what not, but I hate the fact that there are villains envolved in the fillers because to me it just cheapens Ichigo's strength. IMO those new villlains are just lame.
So what this does (for me anyways) is it goes from this huge build up and shows how strong Ichigo has become by the end of the SS Arc, and now he can't even deal with these lame villains.
Lastly, I know fillers have to happen, to let the manga advance enough, I just wish they didn't cheapen the value of the characters strength by tring to introduce new villains.
Fumoffu aired at late night (otaku hour). Bleach is a shounen anime with a prime time airing time with over 50 episodes. The animation budget was different from those two.
AnimePlus
2006-02-12, 19:44
Yeah, I don't see that happening it would take too much work for the animators, they don't like that.
Bleach fillers vs. FMP Fumoffu isn't a fair comparison because the stories for FMP, FMP Fumoffu, and FMP TSR are written by the same author. Kj1980 wrote a detailed faq on the show in the FMP forum that can be read by following this url (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26478).
Yeah, I don't see that happening it would take too much work for the animators, they don't like that. If the animators get enough time and yen then they definitely won't mind working "too much." ;) It's not the lack of enthusiasm that is troubling Bleach's filler arc, rather, it's most likely has to do with the lack of time, money, and a good story. Series like FMP took break that spanned years between each installment of the show, and as a result, we saw great execution of story and fantastic animation. As Maceart already pointed out, Bleach, being a shounen series, doesn't have those kind of luxury.
Cragnous
2006-02-15, 16:31
So are these episodes from the mango or are they filler arc?
It's a fller arc. It does have a little manga sprinkled in though.
Expect the fillers to last a long time....If they went straight to the manga, it would be over in 10 episodes lol
Cragnous
2006-02-15, 16:48
Ya well i'm gonna skip the filler arc. Just like Naruto... I guess i'll continue with other animes and when this filler gets over with i'll get right back on it... just like Naruto...
physics223
2006-02-15, 16:49
I don't mind having a filler arc, actually. For me it is better, because Bleach becomes more diverse and can develop its characters more before they get back to the manga. I myself am enjoying it (a lot, actually) as compared to Naruto because instead of disparate fillers of stupidity we get fillers of thought and development. That alone is good enough for me.
Cragnous
2006-02-15, 17:09
Well i watched until episode 67(not included) and i found it wuite boring.
I made this thread to see if i should watch 67-69 but iono...
NoSanninWa
2006-02-15, 18:00
Well i watched until episode 67(not included) and i found it wuite boring.
I made this thread to see if i should watch 67-69 but iono...
Personally, I'd recommend that you keep watching until episode 69 before you make up your mind. This arc is getting rather interesting to me now, and perhaps you might feel the same way. On the other hand, if you are so jaded by Naruto that you can't stand the idea, then feel free to quit.
It's only anime, so its just a matter of if you think you'll consider it is time wasted, or well spent.
Cragnous
2006-02-15, 19:23
Yeah that's what i wanted to hear.
Well alright, i'll watch them
Wow i can be moved like that?
What a weird forum... i can't have my own topic on the same subject, guess i can't steal a topic... this isn't LUE...
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