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-Finally the chapter comes out, as we were waiting for since last 2 weeks
- in the chapter, i saw there is Tatsuki, i think she is spying the battle between Grimjaw and Tousen
-Tousen is BACK by the look of the soul slayer
- looks like hollow ichigo begins to take over ichigo body
- we can see how ichigo struggle his inner- hollow, and process of hollow modifcation[/QUOTE]
I would be dissapointed if tousen came to grab away grimmjaw for what he has done. But he might hold tatsuki a POW. I didnt expect her to pop out of this chapter and ichigo you dult! you need your hollow to win. Thinks he can win by himself :rolleyes: .
the chapter looks pretty exciting
I think I haven't seen ichigo and rukia for a month already lol
can't wait to see the whole thing
Nightengale
2006-01-19, 02:09
I hope Tousen sensed Tatsuki, stabbed her, and left.
Then, Ichigo will go to her and......Tatsuki has turned into a Shinigami.
SuperKnuckles
2006-01-19, 04:09
I somewhat expect Tousen to be there just to restrain Grimjaw then leave..
After all these chapters of fights, there has to be a break soon. I don't think Tousen will mingle for long.
Tousen doesn't need to be alone, and he taking back GrimJaw would explain why Ichigo would be left to train :D but it can be another Espada :P
I think that Tatsuki will only see the action if it's Tousen (the way of less bloodshead and justice)
I wanted to see Hirako here but...
The funny thing is Grimjaw is stronger than Tousen, unless Tousen used Houyroku on himself and becomes a blinded demon... :heh:
well, ichigo must control his inner demon first in order to fight tousen or Grimjaw or whoever they are... it looks like ichigo try to make an agreement to his hollow... well, i guess Zangetsu will help ichigo, since he wants his inner- world to be peace
ooh-zoo-mah-kee
2006-01-19, 18:28
yea i think GrimJaw would be much stronger than Toussen when he was just a shinigami but i think its pretty much certain that he is now a Vizard.. i mean why wouldnt he? thats the reason why he teamed up with Aizen and co. right? and thats what Aizen wanted. He pretyt much reached the limit of a shinigami's strenght and wanted to expand so he wanted to turn himself into a hollow to become stronger.. and it only makes sense that Aizen would make his subordinates stronger. Toussen as a vizard, imo, will be much stronger than the arrancar Grimjaw.
yea i think GrimJaw would be much stronger than Toussen when he was just a shinigami but i think its pretty much certain that he is now a Vizard.. i mean why wouldnt he? thats the reason why he teamed up with Aizen and co. right? and thats what Aizen wanted. He pretyt much reached the limit of a shinigami's strenght and wanted to expand so he wanted to turn himself into a hollow to become stronger.. and it only makes sense that Aizen would make his subordinates stronger. Toussen as a vizard, imo, will be much stronger than the arrancar Grimjaw.
Technically, he isnt a vizard because he didnt use the forbidden techniques but theres no doubt in my mind he has a hollow in him. The reason why he joined aizen is because he wanted the side with least blood shed, and he thinks aizen has least blood shed. And his justice crap. Tousen might be tatsukis friend she mentioned that died (i forget which chapter). I wouldnt be surprised if that happen. Theres no proof of that if tousen is stronger than grimmjow or vice versa until something happens. This 3 week wait better pack a punch..
Morisato
2006-01-20, 00:43
I would be dissapointed if tousen came to grab away grimmjaw for what he has done. But he might hold tatsuki a POW. I didnt expect her to pop out of this chapter and ichigo you dult! you need your hollow to win. Thinks he can win by himself :rolleyes: .
If he lets him take over, he's already loss.
Technically, he isnt a vizard because he didnt use the forbidden techniques but theres no doubt in my mind he has a hollow in him.
A Vizard is by the book's definition a Shinigami who has sought and gained the powers of a hollow... through any means...
let's make this easier to understand
shinigami turned hybrid = Vizard
Hollow turned hybrid = arrancar
IF Tousen has a hollow in him.. he is a Vizard...
Kubo should stop teasing us by inserting Tatsuki in there, every time giving us hope she would gain power one way or another but yet it hasn't happen. :frustrated:
Ichimaru
2006-01-20, 02:55
shinigame captain > hallow
hallow perfect aranka = shinigami captain??
vizard > rest?
Thewanderer
2006-01-20, 03:41
Take out "giving us hope" and replace it by "letting us fear". ;)
Tatsuki > Orihime:D
A Vizard is by the book's definition a Shinigami who has sought and gained the powers of a hollow... through any means...
let's make this easier to understand
shinigami turned hybrid = Vizard
Hollow turned hybrid = arrancar
IF Tousen has a hollow in him.. he is a Vizard...
Your missing my point. Im saying techincally HE isnt a vizard because the hougyoku is not a forbidden technique.
Kinny Riddle
2006-01-20, 13:47
After the battle, Hitsugaya collapses with blood all over (again!? :( ) and Renji's Zabimaru falls apart, Renji himself barely able to stand.
Renji believes even if they were to start the battle without their limiters on, they would not be sure of winning. It was down to luck, the Arrancars were shaken upon hearing that Renji and co's powers have now gone up 5 times and fled at once, leaving a fatal opening in which Renji and co didn't hesitate to take, it was their only chance to kill those Arrancars.
Had the Arrancars kept their cool and not fled, things would turn for the worse. Renji knows Ichigo is in big trouble. (That's KT's justification/excuse for the Arrancars getting pwned so quickly for those that complained last chapter. )
Ichigo battles Grimjow in Bankai mode, he throws out Getsuga Tensou at Grimjow. Grimjow wonders why Ulqiora didn't mention this and sorts of compliments Ichigo. Ichigo accepts the compliment, but secretly he is struggling to hold back his Hollow self. Seems like Wichigo (the unofficial name for Hollow-Ichigo, it sounds silly, but I like it) is getting more and more eager to show off everytime Ichigo throws out stronger moves.
Tatsuki, what can she do? Maybe she'll be saved by Tousen of all people, if that's Tousen at the end. (Just wondering, how come people know that's Tousen? Is it the hilt shape of his blade?)
[QUOTE=Tatsuki, what can she do? Maybe she'll be saved by Tousen of all people, if that's Tousen at the end. (Just wondering, how come people know that's Tousen? Is it the hilt shape of his blade?)[/QUOTE]
Yes that is Tousens Soul Slayer Suzumushi. Yes the hilt and guard are his. Tatsuki i really dont know but she was no#2 strongest karate girl something in japan. (I think shes number one now cause the 1st girl died in a car accident?). If yourichi trains tatsuki, that would be a sight to see.
Morisato
2006-01-20, 17:37
No, if he has a hollow in him, he is a vaizard. Do you know what Vaizard means? It means mask (well Vizard does but same thing) so if he's half hollow, he's got a mask, so he's a vaizard. Arrancar means to remove mask or remove/tear off in spanish.
Your missing my point. Im saying techincally HE isnt a vizard because the hougyoku is not a forbidden technique.
if Hougyoku isn't a forbidden technique that's mean that everybody around is turing vizard now :D even Hanatarou can beat Aizen and co :D
back to reality... Rangiku kicked her enemy without him turrining shikai (it's better than to say realising :D ) he might be funny :D
so Arrancar are still better than Capitan, that's kinda cool to know that anybody who will come can win (for those that want real deaths in bleach)
why would Tousen be Vizored already? he still might be not alone, and how said that Grimjaw won't listean to orders :D
I think Aizen might start vizoring tests from Tousen, but wouldn't he tried with some kidnaped shinigami or something?
Aizen knew Ichigo had bankai, and he didn't say that he's weak or anything...
anybody from Aizen and co really don't know what capable of is Ichigo :D
Your missing my point. Im saying TECHINICALLY HE isnt a vizard because the hougyoku is not a FORBIDDEN technique.
Please re-read what i said. You might misread what i said.
Kinny Riddle
2006-01-20, 23:22
Yes that is Tousens Soul Slayer Suzumushi. Yes the hilt and guard are his. Tatsuki i really dont know but she was no#2 strongest karate girl something in japan. (I think shes number one now cause the 1st girl died in a car accident?). If yourichi trains tatsuki, that would be a sight to see.
No, the national karate champion didn't die or anything. The reason Tatsuki ended up as the national karate runners-up was because she used too much force in the semis and injured herself, thus she had to forfeit the final, otherwise, she'll be the undisputed national champion. :D
And, people, Hougyoku is an ITEM, NOT A TECHNIQUE. Think of it as the Philosopher's Stone of the Bleach world.
brightredglow
2006-01-21, 01:48
No, the national karate champion didn't die or anything. The reason Tatsuki ended up as the national karate runners-up was because she used too much force in the semis and injured herself, thus she had to forfeit the final, otherwise, she'll be the undisputed national champion. :D
Tatsuki got runner-up in Nationals because she was injured prior to the semi-finals. She went to get a drink and a car hit her. She got through the semis using her left hand but she lost in the finals to a "monster".
It is in the chapter called "Last Summer Vacation".
how do you if an anime character has changed? he finally gets a change of outfit!!
i can't believe you guys are speculating what tousen has become (if it is him) because we've only seen the hilt of the sword and his hand..
the other thing is..would it really be tousen? suzumushi wasn't his to begin with, it is the sword of his fallen shinigami friend..
then again, he is wearing a new outfit..he must've become more powerful.
And, people, Hougyoku is an ITEM, NOT A TECHNIQUE. Think of it as the Philosopher's Stone of the Bleach world.
Hougyoku is an item, but using it must be some kind of technique, or else Rukia would turned thousens of shinigami and hollows in to vizards and arrancars just by having it :P
how do you if an anime character has changed? he finally gets a change of outfit!!
i can't believe you guys are speculating what tousen has become (if it is him) because we've only seen the hilt of the sword and his hand..
the other thing is..would it really be tousen? suzumushi wasn't his to begin with, it is the sword of his fallen shinigami friend..
then again, he is wearing a new outfit..he must've become more powerful.
Aizen designed (or some1 from his new team) a new outfit, and that's a modern cape for Arrancars (and Espadas) and 3 Capitans (Aizen is wearing one), so Thousen's change of clothes wouldn't be anything suprising :D
kitezero
2006-01-21, 07:10
this was a great chapter i wonder why everytime Ichigo uses his bankai his hollow half starts to take over. but i think it's look scary when a part of his eye starts to turn black as his hollow half slowly starts to take over. i wonder in the next chapter will "he" make an appearance or will Ichigo be able to keep him from completely taking over?
Tatsuki would have eventually found it and in a way it's good she is so close to Ichigo because it looked like she was one of the targets to begin with. yet i wonder how her spiritaul awareness increased so much when they got back she could see spiritual items and even see Ichigo in his shinigami uniform. Tousen looks like he is there but does he have a partial hollow mask on? he might look the same because Aizen never had a partial mask on when he re-appeared.
i have a feeling grimjaw's gonna get owned if not beaten up by ichigo. funny also how ichigo seems to react calmly now when his inner hollow tries to awaken. and also anybody know his knew move, "Gekka Gatensho" means? pretty awesome!
Kinny Riddle
2006-01-21, 10:37
Hougyoku is an item, but using it must be some kind of technique, or else Rukia would turned thousens of shinigami and hollows in to vizards and arrancars just by having it :P
The thing is, ONLY Urahara, Yoruichic, Aizen, Ichimaru and Tousen knew the Hougyoku is hidden inside Rukia. So yes, just possessing the Hogyouku isn't enough, one needs to know how to use it. Just wanted to point out that the name of the forbidden item and forbidden technique shouldn't be confused. IMHO :D
Here's an example:
Item: Philosopher's Stone / Hougyoku
Technique: Human transmutation / Transcending Hollow/Shinigami boundaries
U<3Anime
2006-01-21, 12:13
Hmmm i think aizen has already made himself a vizard or still developing it before using it on himself....I think hes strong enough to own the arcannars right now, even without being a vizard. However i imagine the final battle would be like hollow aizen vs SSJ level 3 ichigo or something.....:)
Komataguri
2006-01-21, 18:02
I want to see hollow ichigo take over and rape Grimjaw with the wild acrobatics and fever pitched attacks he used against Byaky
Actually, I'm more interested in their expressions when they realise that Ichigo has a hollow side in him:rolleyes:
Actually, I'm more interested in their expressions when they realise that Ichigo has a hollow side in him:rolleyes:
Whose expressions exactly? Quite a few characters at least suspect that he does. In fact, lets face it. Some characters know for sure.
evil mirror
2006-01-22, 09:11
Every time hollow ichi makes his appearence, ichigo blindly copies his moves. Drives me crazy sometimes. Be stronger, Rukia says...lol.
When will ichigo grow 4 tails.........uhmmm.....i mean, why can't he keep some sort of a balance between him and hollow.....bothers me a lot for a past 10 chaptes.
ps: sorry for my english....been learning for 2 months only
Whose expressions exactly? Quite a few characters at least suspect that he does. In fact, lets face it. Some characters know for sure.
The arrancars' expression definitely :D
I believe Byakuya is the only one who had ever seen Ichigo getting possessed by his inner hollow. At least Urahara, Isshin and Yoruichi might knew that Ichigo is a vaizard, but as far as the story goes, they haven't seen Ichigo got taken over by his hollow yet.
Ichimaru
2006-01-22, 12:03
Yes that is Tousens Soul Slayer Suzumushi. Yes the hilt and guard are his. Tatsuki i really dont know but she was no#2 strongest karate girl something in japan. (I think shes number one now cause the 1st girl died in a car accident?). If yourichi trains tatsuki, that would be a sight to see.
If she gets saved by tousen, then how is yourichi is goin to train tatsuki?...i would rather prefer yourichi had picked tatsuki instead of ori...
Ichimaru
2006-01-22, 12:13
Hmmm i think aizen has already made himself a vizard or still developing it before using it on himself....I think hes strong enough to own the arcannars right now, even without being a vizard. However i imagine the final battle would be like hollow aizen vs SSJ level 3 ichigo or something.....:)
Something i also like to mention...aizen/gin are probaly strong enough against the current group in the real world. I dont know why they have to go n be vizards for. The only ppl that can pose a threat to them is probaly ryujin, duo of ukitat n shunsui/kuchiki/yourichi/uruhawa/kenpachi.
And those hybrid arankuras i dont even think they are stronger then captains. We all know hallows are inferior to captains and certain number of vice captains. Then hallows becomin arankuras is like captains lvl. So imo, i think hybrid aranks are on the level or superior to vice captains.
Probably a stupid question, but are you guys sure its Tousen? Did'nt he have like a little ring on the hilt of his Zanpakto, I didn't see it in that picture so I'm just wondering...
And I'm still wondering what's happening with Isshin, since he's become a shinigami again, you'd think he'd be playing abit more of a practical role huh?
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 10:28
Probably a stupid question, but are you guys sure its Tousen? Did'nt he have like a little ring on the hilt of his Zanpakto, I didn't see it in that picture so I'm just wondering...
And I'm still wondering what's happening with Isshin, since he's become a shinigami again, you'd think he'd be playing abit more of a practical role huh?
He did, but maybe it got cropped out of the image.
EDIT
Looking at a side by side between the manga and the only other image if Tousens sword I could find, the anime.
That is not Tousens sword...unless it has changed..
Tousens sword was very squared off in the images I could find, and the image out of the manga the guard is very smooth and rounded.
If she gets saved by tousen, then how is yourichi is goin to train tatsuki?...i would rather prefer yourichi had picked tatsuki instead of ori...
I dont know about that, but thats a possibility.Well atleast orihime has a use now (her "time" healing). I wonder why tousen is wearing arrancar clothes. Guess he wants to be ready for the fall catalog :heh: .
The arrancars' expression definitely :D
I believe Byakuya is the only one who had ever seen Ichigo getting possessed by his inner hollow. At least Urahara, Isshin and Yoruichi might knew that Ichigo is a vaizard, but as far as the story goes, they haven't seen Ichigo got taken over by his hollow yet.
For some reason I was under the impression that Aizen also knew, which would have led me to believe that the Arrancars definitely would... now you've said that, though, I'm not sure.
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 19:14
For some reason I was under the impression that Aizen also knew, which would have led me to believe that the Arrancars definitely would... now you've said that, though, I'm not sure.
Wans't Byak's second stage Bankai a big black dome that sealed them off from the outside world, with all teh swords spinning around them?
So, if its true, No one could have seen inside?
So byak would be the only one to know Ichigo's secret.
nah, your description is halfway between tousen and byakuya's bankai :)
byakuya's bankai doesn't seal anythin, just many rows of swords. Tousen's the big black dome
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 19:52
nah, your description is halfway between tousen and byakuya's bankai :)
byakuya's bankai doesn't seal anythin, just many rows of swords. Tousen's the big black dome
Must have just been an anime thing for dramatics, then?
Cause I distinctly remember seeing a big black dome encompasing the area, Not confusing with tousen.
Only started reading manga since the end of soul society :p
Novarain
2006-01-24, 02:29
Actually i'm wondering what if Ichigo somehow comes to an alliance/understanding with his hollow side, ie. whenever he has to fight, he can just release his hollow side and own the enemy... rather than fighting against each other the whole time, i think it'll be way cooler if the two somehow manage to work together and take down Grimjaw...
M4rauder
2006-01-24, 18:44
Maybe Tousen will take Tatsuki for some of Aizen's experiments...
Thewanderer
2006-01-25, 00:31
Maybe Tousen will take Tatsuki for some of Aizen's experiments...
Nooooooooooooo!
(then again, that might turn out for the better...)
imho, even though tousen may well now be a vizard, the foundation and goal of his character are shaky. Probably the only reason why he got to join Aizen up there in huikomundo was probably his blind conditon that forced aizen less he be revealed.
But, still seeing tousen as a formidable foe, i wouldn't be surprised if he interrupts GrimJawVSIchigo fight and kills GrimJaw after for disobedience. Maybe for aizen, this is an opportunity to show the other arancars ( and the shinigamis ) that Aizen is not some1 who you could mess around with..
imho, even though tousen may well now be a vizard, the foundation and goal of his character are shaky. Probably the only reason why he got to join Aizen up there in huikomundo was probably his blind conditon that forced aizen less he be revealed.
But, still seeing tousen as a formidable foe, i wouldn't be surprised if he interrupts GrimJawVSIchigo fight and kills GrimJaw after for disobedience. Maybe for aizen, this is an opportunity to show the other arancars ( and the shinigamis ) that Aizen is not some1 who you could mess around with..
but why Aizen would like to kill off some of his 10 best warrior's before creating better ones? he might don't care about 11+ but 10 should be important for now, If SS know where he is, he'd have trouble if not having his best yet creation :D
current Fi... Anime only arc has a good point of why Urahara didn't wanted to see Renji when he was Capitan :D
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