View Full Version : Soul Society is ghetto
sarugetyou
2006-01-21, 20:08
when i was watching the eariler episodes, they describe soul society as 'heaven' and gives an impression that it's really awesome and happy place to live.
then we get to see the actual soul society and it's like freaking ethiopia.
if i was a ghost, i would try to avoid the 'soul burial' at all cost so i don't get to live in that place.
actaully, even becoming a hollow would be better than going to that ghetto.
Why are you ragging on Ethiopia? Theres people there that could buy 100 of your home and not feel the pinch in their wallet.
dude i thought the same thing when i first saw SS. specially after seeing the story for rukia and renji. poor districts in heaven? damn i would run and hide from shinigamis lol. having to steal food and crap in heaven isnt where i wanna spend my eternal after life.
one more thing when u see the "map" of SS you see that "court of pure souls" is pretty big and has a good % out of all SS. thin in entire SS there are about 6billion souls. say the court is 30% thats huge how did ichigo run to the middle in, what 14 days? also how many shinigamis is there if the court takes up such a big part of ss lol
Soul burial or become a Hollow ;)
Meh I like SS since its not the typical heaven of angels with hearts, clouds and your hearts desire is just a thought away. Its quite interesting to walk through its like a fudal Japan with some exceptitions.
yeah it's cool but not heaven. when you think of heaven that is not it lol. i wouldnt wanna go there when i died especially not to the pood parts. it's just not a nice place and it is like the thread says a gettho
sarugetyou
2006-01-21, 22:09
yeah and you are starving and have to steal food to survive.
just try that in real life for just 1 month and see if you can still say it's interesting.
Komataguri
2006-01-21, 23:41
yeah and you are starving and have to steal food to survive.
just try that in real life for just 1 month and see if you can still say it's interesting.
They don't starve in soul society.
They only need water to survive because they are spirits.
Food is just a, for lack of a better term, habbit.
That is, if I recall correctly.
They don't starve in soul society.
They only need water to survive because they are spirits.
Food is just a, for lack of a better term, habbit.
That is, if I recall correctly.
no, you need food if you use your spirit power. otherwise you don't
Sarugetyou I think you are missing the fact this is a show...
I just found it interesting that he took a different route to the whole afterlife thing.
I dont know your past or what you experienced in the past. But here on forums you gota serperate the two factual and fanctical.
My post wasnt a stab at needy people or starving people. I was just commenting that hey what an orginal Idea (at least its the first time I've seen heaven portrayed this way).
Komataguri
2006-01-21, 23:58
no, you need food if you use your spirit power. otherwise you don't
We're talking about the average people in Rukongai
not the shinigami o_O;;
I think I remember some of the kids eating candy in a flash back of Rukia's past. Yea so i think its just a habbit since they love the taste of it.
Komataguri
2006-01-22, 00:04
I think I remember some of the kids eating candy in a flash back of Rukia's past. Yea so i think its just a habbit since they love the taste of it.
Exactly, So people arn't exactly starving. Its just a habbit to eat. Except for the people who use spirtual powers, but they are a minority outside of the Shinigami or special families like Ganju's
I agree, doesn't seem very "heaven-like" but then again bleach doesn't exactly take the Christian stance on heaven/hell.
I think for the sake of this story the way SS was portrayed was cool. Souls that go there grow older and eventually are reincarnated or become shinigami.
Aizen says no one was standing in Heaven, not even God, and he will stand in Heaven
The other thing is that there are various levels/districts to the Soul Society. Renji and Rukia lived in one of the slums, one of the lowest levels in Soul Society. Hence why it was probably such a big place to be. I doubt if some of the higher levels would have the same problems (needing to steal to eat, etc).
With that being said, one wonders how they determine who goes to what level/district..
Goldsplinter
2006-01-22, 01:29
The other thing is that there are various levels/districts to the Soul Society. Renji and Rukia lived in one of the slums, one of the lowest levels in Soul Society. Hence why it was probably such a big place to be. I doubt if some of the higher levels would have the same problems (needing to steal to eat, etc).
With that being said, one wonders how they determine who goes to what level/district..
Karma. Well it's the best theory so far!!
I bet the real Heaven is ... the dissipation of your soul. Only then would eternal rest/peace be guaranteed. :D
I bet the real Heaven is ... the dissipation of your soul. Only then would eternal rest/peace be guaranteed. :D
Personally, I think that's the extinction of your soul. Of course, you wont go through the hell in SS or on earth anymore...
If ur in close to Center u won't have problems as everybody is ur family or something,
but think about ppl like Ikkaku and Ken-chan that just love to fight and they can have all slashing they want in futher areas, I just love that :D
Morisato
2006-01-22, 05:30
It is better to go to SS if you're a soul.
You see, if you're in the real world, you'll get hunted by hollows then turn into a mindless zombie and either be hunted by shinigami or get sucked into one of the giant Menos. Other 2 options are hell and SS, hell would be torture for all eternity.
What map? :confused:
And Ichigo basically only needed about one and a half day, to reach the center... however they didn't start at he outer border.
Actually, I think he meant the "bird's eye view" part at the beginning of the SS arc when they arrived there. There are some instances of this I believe (ie. when Ikkaku's sister is explaining about using the cannon to get into the central area).
Not too sure about the naming part though, nor how much of a "map" it was.
Komataguri
2006-01-22, 12:31
The other thing is that there are various levels/districts to the Soul Society. Renji and Rukia lived in one of the slums, one of the lowest levels in Soul Society. Hence why it was probably such a big place to be. I doubt if some of the higher levels would have the same problems (needing to steal to eat, etc).
With that being said, one wonders how they determine who goes to what level/district..
They don't *need* to eat.
Unless they have spiritual powers, which the vast majority of Rukongai does not have.
All they need is water.
They don't *need* to eat.
Unless they have spiritual powers, which the vast majority of Rukongai does not have.
All they need is water.
I know, they don't need to eat. When I used the word needing, I meant it in such a way that it seemed that many individuals had to resort to stealing just to be able to eat. Somewhat like "they needed to steal in order to eat", not "they stole because they needed to eat." Furthermore, it was in reference to an earlier post talking about people needing to steal to eat (it's likely the poster did it in reference to that episode about Rukia and Renji back when they were kids, but that's just an assumption on my part). However, just because they don't need to doesn't mean they don't want to. Again, citing the Rukia/Renji childhood episode...the group of kids that Renji "led" didn't really show they had much spiritual powers at all, if any. Yet, they still wanted to eat candy.
yeah i was talking about te birds eye view and also ganju's drawing, im guessing it was about right:D but yeah if the court is such a big part and if the wholesoul sirculation thing is true then there must be about 6billion souls in ss. thats still a far ass way to run even when pretty close. i dont think the size of it portrayed right at all. just kinda annoying when u start taking in details:D
I would say Soul Society isnt necessarily a good place to be either, there doesnt seem to be any significant benefit to be there at all. I would rather stay right here on earth, but that may because I plan to live forever.
Komataguri
2006-01-22, 18:34
Souls that linger on earth eventually become hollows, Tho.
Unless it a hollow eats it, first.
in Soul Society, you are safe, and can lead a pleasent (After) life.
Didnt Rukia and Renji's "group of friends" die or something? Not that I would call that pleasent...
Well its safe to say they were born again in the human world.
So you cant say they died ;)
Well its save to say they were born again in the human world.
So you cant say they died ;)
And that bring about the irony of the world of Bleach....dying doesn't really mean much, technically, does it?:eyebrow:
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 00:10
And that bring about the irony of the world of Bleach....dying doesn't really mean much, technically, does it?:eyebrow:
Well, its not like you keep the memories of everything you did before you went to soul society, and its not like you keep your memories in soul society when you are reincarnated on earth.
Well, its not like you keep the memories of everything you did before you went to soul society, and its not like you keep your memories in soul society when you are reincarnated on earth.
Well ok, but for people who are sick and tired of living their lives, death might not be such a bad idea...
NoSanninWa
2006-01-23, 01:28
I agree, doesn't seem very "heaven-like" but then again bleach doesn't exactly take the Christian stance on heaven/hell.
I think for the sake of this story the way SS was portrayed was cool. Souls that go there grow older and eventually are reincarnated or become shinigami.
Aizen says no one was standing in Heaven, not even God, and he will stand in Heaven
Personally, I think that Aizen was speaking metaphorically when he mentioned Heaven. I doubt it is an actual place.
As for the ghetto-ness of SS... I have to agree. It shocked me how run-down Soul Society looks after Rukia said that SS was so much better than earth. I suppose that Soul Society doesn't have starvation which was a terrible problem for most of the world when Rukia was alive, but other than that it seems rather brutal and uncomfortable.
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 10:52
After you're reborn, you probably start from zero, however, those who died and were sent to SS still had their memories.
However we don't know, if this also applies to cleansed hollows, and those who got there without the help of a Shinigami.
Where does it state that they keep their memories?
Because I recall hearing or reading somewhere that the reasons those families in soul society exist as nothing more than groups of people that adpoted one another, is because they can not recall their previous life and don't know if they have any real family in Soul Society.
Komataguri
2006-01-23, 13:11
Well, the boy, who was the parakeet, completely remembered the events in his life before he came to soul society.
You should rewatch this episode. They explained, that the reason is, that Soul Society is too big, and it's nearly imposible to find the "real" family between all those souls, which also implies, that they indeed remember their former families.
I appologize, now that you mention the parakeet boy I remember that part now.
Can't be right all the time ;)
isnt it possible that souls know as much about death in Soul Society as humans know about death in the living world? AKA not at all? and of course not knowing about death is precisely what makes it so scary
Mica-chan
2009-04-23, 06:20
So,what exactly happens after someone dies in Soul Society? I mean,Soul Society IS the afterlife. Where do you go from there? :confused:
So,what exactly happens after someone dies in Soul Society? I mean,Soul Society IS the afterlife. Where do you go from there? :confused:
They disappear forever.
kitten320
2009-04-23, 07:29
Lol I understand you there! I reallyt wouldn't like to go there!
Only if they would make me Shinigami :heh:
Concerned discussion
* Birth, Aging and Death In Soul Society (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29171)
So,what exactly happens after someone dies in Soul Society? I mean,Soul Society IS the afterlife. Where do you go from there? :confused:
When normal souls die they are reborn as humans in the real world . When a Shinigami dies anywhere according to chapter 268
http://thumbnails.imajr.com/Bleach-Ch268-14-1424759.jpg (http://imajr.com/Bleach-Ch268-14-1424759)
Mica-chan
2009-04-23, 09:32
Thank you! That's been bothering me for quite some time. :D
Appurukami
2009-04-25, 08:20
Why are you ragging on Ethiopia? Theres people there that could buy 100 of your home and not feel the pinch in their wallet.
Yeah and those people are a tiny minority who got so much by stepping on the poor.
It is better to go to SS if you're a soul.
You see, if you're in the real world, you'll get hunted by hollows then turn into a mindless zombie and either be hunted by shinigami or get sucked into one of the giant Menos. Other 2 options are hell and SS, hell would be torture for all eternity.
I agree. Soul Society is far from perfect but its a lot better the other options.
HayashiTakara
2009-04-25, 09:16
So technically speaking its better to be "normal" and be constantly reincarnated than to be super special and turn into the bricks that builds S.S., cause you may never know that toilet seat that Yamamoto uses is probably the remains of Kaien's soul :heh:
Intranetusa
2009-04-27, 17:29
Ethopia isn't THAT bad actually.
Countries like Somalia, Chad, Cambodia, Nepal, or Sudan...now that's bad!
Alchemist007
2009-04-28, 02:43
Everytime I see this thread title I laugh.
Endrance
2009-04-28, 03:00
Now that you think of it Hueco Mundo does seem alot more cozzy compared to parts of the soul society i mean look at los noches
Mica-chan
2009-05-08, 09:55
So technically speaking its better to be "normal" and be constantly reincarnated than to be super special and turn into the bricks that builds S.S., cause you may never know that toilet seat that Yamamoto uses is probably the remains of Kaien's soul :heh:
that's true XD
So technically speaking its better to be "normal" and be constantly reincarnated than to be super special and turn into the bricks that builds S.S., cause you may never know that toilet seat that Yamamoto uses is probably the remains of Kaien's soul :heh:
Too bad the reamins of his soul were absorbed into an arrancar...... but I do fear the toilet that old man uses xD
Hs Vi Germania
2009-05-08, 16:23
A ghetto? Ehm ... sure? :O
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