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Maybe soulcest?
Soulcest sounds about as good as anything I could think of. :heh:
Now the real question becomes what do you call it if they pull off what they clearly want and get a three-way with Shirou? :p Insoulcest?
That sounds a bit like what you'd call two shoes having sex.
Xellos-_^
2011-01-27, 16:05
Maybe soulcest?
i ask that question a long time ago
If Kikyou and Kagome had sex would it be consider
1. Incest
2. Masturbation
3. Yuri
4. Necrophilia
5. Any combo of above.
Bonus Question: If Inuyasha had married Kagome than had sex with Kikyou, would it be consider cheating?
Kuroi Hadou
2011-01-27, 17:09
Okaaaaaay. We are now completely off topic.
RadiantBeam
2011-01-27, 17:12
Okaaaaaay. We are now completely off topic.
Sorry. :heh:
I guess I'm just curious. Especially since recent chapters have indicated that the whole thing of Ilya kissing Kuro to provide her with mana will become a regularly occurring thing so Kuro doesn't fade away into nothingness.
And on the other side of the coin, we still know nothing about Miyu!
Xellos-_^
2011-01-28, 00:17
Okaaaaaay. We are now completely off topic.
Off-Topic but neverless a very important question.
Kuroi Hadou
2011-01-28, 00:19
Off-Topic but neverless a very important question.
Oh it's definitely an important question. This just isn't the place to be discussing it.:eyespin:
Whoo-hoo! Got an e-mail early this morning from Barnes and Noble saying my pre-order of Volume Ten has shipped! :D
Kuroi Hadou
2011-01-31, 10:28
Whoo-hoo! Got an e-mail early this morning from Barnes and Noble saying my pre-order of Volume Ten has shipped! :D
Ugh. You lucky bastard. I'm still waiting on my e-mail to that effect. :sad:
It's cool. When I get it I'll put my reactions in spoiler tags and all that, I'm used to getting the new manga releases first (Not a lot of people on here seem to read it, and of those most are at college and don't have as easy access as I do). :heh:
Kuroi Hadou
2011-01-31, 10:40
It's cool. When I get it I'll put my reactions in spoiler tags and all that, I'm used to getting the new manga releases first (Not a lot of people on here seem to read it, and of those most are at college and don't have as easy access as I do). :heh:
I have easy access to it; I do work study with the school, and intern over the summers, so I have a little bit of money to throw around. The problem is that I haven't got the e-mail telling me it's shipped yet.:bash:
Not a lot of people on here seem to read it
Even though what I've read of it is awesome, I'm weary of it until it proves it's not going to cop-out and go back to Fate.
Therefore, spoilers are very welcome until a conclusion is reached!
Even though what I've read of it is awesome, I'm weary of it until it proves it's not going to cop-out and go back to Fate.
Therefore, spoilers are very welcome until a conclusion is reached!
I fear this as well. I don't see how it could go back to Fate, so much has changed, but... ugh. It wouldn't be the first time a manga has disappointed after a strong beginning.
RadiantBeam
2011-01-31, 23:10
Dang, I forgot that the tenth volume comes up this month. I have to check and see when it comes out in stores, since I'll be going home for the Super Bowl this weekend.
Volume Ten firmly in hand, y'all! The UPS man interrupted dinner but I don't even care. :D
Thoughts:
All in all, very well done. A faithful recreation of the Caster fight from UBW for the most part, and it was very nice to see all those moments drawn out. Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias, Rin's epic Magus duel with Caster capped off with her bitchin' kung fu skills... all very nice.
And the divergences were all worth it, as usual. Among other things, the most tearjerking version of Caster's defeat I think I have ever seen. It actually shows Kuzuki's backstory, and his search for a meaning to his life, and how Caster became that for him... and... geez. I don't want to say any more, even in spoiler tags. Damn.
And of course, things were altered a little bit to screw over Shirou. But we're used to that.
Overall? Very favorable impressions!
Kuroi Hadou
2011-02-02, 19:57
Overall? Very favorable impressions!
Agreed wholeheartedly.:love: Probably my favorite volume so far, and definitely worth the damn frustration of waiting for it.:D
RadiantBeam
2011-02-03, 21:35
Volume Ten firmly in hand, y'all! The UPS man interrupted dinner but I don't even care. :D
Thoughts:
All in all, very well done. A faithful recreation of the Caster fight from UBW for the most part, and it was very nice to see all those moments drawn out. Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias, Rin's epic Magus duel with Caster capped off with her bitchin' kung fu skills... all very nice.
And the divergences were all worth it, as usual. Among other things, the most tearjerking version of Caster's defeat I think I have ever seen. It actually shows Kuzuki's backstory, and his search for a meaning to his life, and how Caster became that for him... and... geez. I don't want to say any more, even in spoiler tags. Damn.
And of course, things were altered a little bit to screw over Shirou. But we're used to that.
Overall? Very favorable impressions!
.....
Volume ten. I must buy it. Like immediately. Because this summary, even as short as it is, is just too awesome for words.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-02-04, 05:56
Bazett kicked ass and takes names. Illya faces off with her in a cliffhanger.
I know Illya is the protagonist but it is times like this that Shirou should be aware of what is going on in the family.
... ...
Damn, mood whiplash.
Though yes, Bazett is impossibly awesome.
Tiresias
2011-02-04, 12:25
Not bad for a woman who got shank'd before the beginning of the original game story :heh:
I'm starting to think that the reason Shirou became a butt monkey is because everybody else sucked the GAR out of him, present and future version :p
Not bad for a woman who got shank'd before the beginning of the original game story :heh:
I'm starting to think that the reason Shirou became a butt monkey is because everybody else sucked the GAR out of him, present and future version :p
Prisma Ilya Dr3i: Ilya's quest to get her onii-chan his GAR back.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-04, 13:12
The cliffhanger at the end of this latest chapter is just cruel. I don't know if I can wait a full month to see what happened to Rin and Luvia.
Tiresias
2011-02-04, 13:45
Prisma Ilya Dr3i: Ilya's quest to get her onii-chan his GAR back.
Pretty much doomed to fail, since his GAR is related to his unique use of Projection Magic, which was in turn influenced by how the great fire triggered his chronic hero syndrome. And since his background is considerably happier here...
ReddyRedWolf
2011-02-04, 13:55
Not bad for a woman who got shank'd before the beginning of the original game story :heh:
I'm starting to think that the reason Shirou became a butt monkey is because everybody else sucked the GAR out of him, present and future version :p
That or he's a lolicon here as Sella said.:heh:
That or he's a lolicon here as Sella said.:heh:
He's an H-game protagonist. They're ALL lolicons.
DezoPenguin
2011-02-04, 17:54
Volume Ten firmly in hand, y'all! The UPS man interrupted dinner but I don't even care. :D
Thoughts:
All in all, very well done. A faithful recreation of the Caster fight from UBW for the most part, and it was very nice to see all those moments drawn out. Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias, Rin's epic Magus duel with Caster capped off with her bitchin' kung fu skills... all very nice.
And the divergences were all worth it, as usual. Among other things, the most tearjerking version of Caster's defeat I think I have ever seen. It actually shows Kuzuki's backstory, and his search for a meaning to his life, and how Caster became that for him... and... geez. I don't want to say any more, even in spoiler tags. Damn.
And of course, things were altered a little bit to screw over Shirou. But we're used to that.
Overall? Very favorable impressions!
Mine just came today, and I consumed it immediately. And share your favorable impressions. But possibly this is because I'm an Archer fanboy and this volume had at least 33% Archer-being-awesome content. And I share your opinions of the other parts, too.
And Shirou got impaled again. That's always fun. :p
RadiantBeam
2011-02-04, 23:13
Mine just came today, and I consumed it immediately. And share your favorable impressions. But possibly this is because I'm an Archer fanboy and this volume had at least 33% Archer-being-awesome content. And I share your opinions of the other parts, too.
And Shirou got impaled again. That's always fun. :p
...
I need to buy volume 10 this weekend. It is something I must do, bad weather be damned.
Kuroi Hadou
2011-02-04, 23:14
...
I need to buy volume 10 this weekend. It is something I must do, bad weather be damned.
Yes, I highly recommend it. I shall leave you with this:
:love::love::love: Archer vs. Lancer :love::love::love:
ReddyRedWolf
2011-02-05, 06:43
He's an H-game protagonist. They're ALL lolicons.
Point is there is no Illya route. Here Illya unlocked the Miya route.:heh:
RadiantBeam
2011-02-05, 11:09
Point is there is no Illya route. Here Illya unlocked the Miya route.:heh:
....
So does that make Ilya the H-game protagonist of the manga? :heh: It seems that her two main options (Kuro and Miyu) are both women, not counting Shirou, but she doesn't seem too bothered by that, frankly...
DezoPenguin
2011-02-08, 13:56
....
So does that make Ilya the H-game protagonist of the manga? :heh: It seems that her two main options (Kuro and Miyu) are both women, not counting Shirou, but she doesn't seem too bothered by that, frankly...
Oh, absolutely she is; the in-jokes about that have been running since the first series.
But can we still call her lolicon when she, herself, is a loli and therefore her attractions are age-appropriate? :heh:
RadiantBeam
2011-02-08, 14:02
Oh, absolutely she is; the in-jokes about that have been running since the first series.
But can we still call her lolicon when she, herself, is a loli and therefore her attractions are age-appropriate? :heh:
Technically, I think she gets off the hook by virtue of the fact that both of her main love interests are her age. :heh: I mean, if we want to be technical, one could even argue Kuro is younger than Ilya, since she only started existing in her own body recently.
Technically, I think she gets off the hook by virtue of the fact that both of her main love interests are her age. :heh: I mean, if we want to be technical, one could even argue Kuro is younger than Ilya, since she only started existing in her own body recently.
If we're judging by Kuro's physical age, then wouldn't it still be a crime? She's only like two weeks old. :heh:
RadiantBeam
2011-02-08, 14:35
If we're judging by Kuro's physical age, then wouldn't it still be a crime? She's only like two weeks old. :heh:
Well... technically, Kuro's physical age is the appearance of her being the same age as Miyu and Ilya. :heh: And mentally speaking, she's already pretty mature in her own way. So I guess it only becomes a problem if one thinks about it too long and too hard.
I still insist that Kuro/Ilya is some kind of incest. It just has to be.
Well... technically, Kuro's physical age is the appearance of her being the same age as Miyu and Ilya. :heh: And mentally speaking, she's already pretty mature in her own way. So I guess it only becomes a problem if one thinks about it too long and too hard.
I still insist that Kuro/Ilya is some kind of incest. It just has to be.
And really, it's probably best not to think too hard about whether Kuro counts as a ten-year-old or an infant. The answers are probably best left unknown. :heh:
And you like that, don't you. Perv. :p
RadiantBeam
2011-02-08, 22:29
And really, it's probably best not to think too hard about whether Kuro counts as a ten-year-old or an infant. The answers are probably best left unknown. :heh:
And you like that, don't you. Perv. :p
Well, technically she's eight months old, being the sealed memories of young Ilya before Kiritsugu and Irie took her away from the Einzbern mansion, so that's... something, at least? :heh:
I like my Les Yay wide and varied.
Well, technically she's eight months old, being the sealed memories of young Ilya before Kiritsugu and Irie took her away from the Einzbern mansion, so that's... something, at least? :heh:
I like my Les Yay wide and varied.
... ... ... ... ... not something good, but yes. Something.
That's good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards overcoming addiction.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-08, 22:48
... ... ... ... ... not something good, but yes. Something.
That's good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards overcoming addiction.
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...
Ilya started it! She's the one who has to take responsibility for whatever happens from this point on!
. . . . . . And here I was thinking this was the fate/stay night Manga discussion.
jk, jk.
Kaleid is pretty well done if I must say. What's really killing me is how Miyu relates to Shirou, she's mostly likely his biological sister, but I think that's what a majority of the fans already think so there's room for a plot twist somewhere I suppose
RadiantBeam
2011-02-16, 10:05
Well, it's also possible that Miyu is only a copy or physical recreation of Shirou's little sister, since as stated earlier in the thread, if she is his little sister, the ages don't seem to match up very well. And it's been implied several times throughout the course of the series that Miyu is more than human, and very similar to Kuro. We just have no clue how yet, or what exactly she is compared to Ilya and Kuro.
Kuroi Hadou
2011-02-16, 12:00
I found this review of the manga over on MAL and decided to post it for us to laugh at.
If you loved the visual novel or the anime... you won't like this manga. This does not follow either one very well, and a fan of the anime/VN will wonder what the hell is going on and how some of these situations cropped up.
I love both but this manga had me scratching my head at the inconsistencies in the story. The only positive thing I can say about it is that the art is still high quality, but fans of the original VN will not be impressed.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-16, 21:38
I found this review of the manga over on MAL and decided to post it for us to laugh at.
Really?
How odd. I like both the manga and the anime, but I felt the manga did a better job of fleshing out the story and characters at certain points than the anime did.
DezoPenguin
2011-02-16, 22:06
Really?
How odd. I like both the manga and the anime, but I felt the manga did a better job of fleshing out the story and characters at certain all points than the anime did.
Fixed that for you. :)
(Seriously, I can see why someone might say that the manga has less detail than the VN...to which I say, "duh, of course it provides less detail; it has two fewer routes and no room for oodles of side-notes." But to say that there's less than in the anime? :confused:)
RadiantBeam
2011-02-16, 22:09
Fixed that for you. :)
Thanks for that. :D
Fixed that for you. :)
(Seriously, I can see why someone might say that the manga has less detail than the VN...to which I say, "duh, of course it provides less detail; it has two fewer routes and no room for oodles of side-notes." But to say that there's less than in the anime? :confused:)
Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... I'm going to go right ahead and leap on the growing bandwagon by saying that I find the manga superior to the anime in pretty much every way at this point. It goes deeper into the plotlines, does interesting things with the characters, goes it's own direction and does it well...
Cherry_Lover
2011-02-16, 22:46
Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... I'm going to go right ahead and leap on the growing bandwagon by saying that I find the manga superior to the anime in pretty much every way at this point. It goes deeper into the plotlines, does interesting things with the characters, goes it's own direction and does it well...
I have to disagree entirely with this. At least the anime (mostly) sticks to canon, particularly in regards to the characters. The manga characterisation of Sakura is awful (given the total mangling of her backstory, I mean), and the way they get her to save Shinji is nothing more than a Deus Ex Machina. Plus, from what I can see of it, the plot is basically just Fate with some of UBW tacked on, just like the anime, only with the UBW portion a bit bigger.
MainCharacter
2011-02-16, 22:54
Has Gilgamesh shown up in this yet? I'm just curious how they adapt him.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-16, 23:07
Has Gilgamesh shown up in this yet? I'm just curious how they adapt him.
Not yet, no. As far as I know (haven't read the volume myself yet), the latest volume concluded the Caster arc of the manga.
MainCharacter
2011-02-16, 23:16
But Gilgamesh should have shown up by then. He showed up before Caster's end in both Fate and UBW. Is this manga really doing it's own thing THAT much?
What's the status of Berserker?
But Gilgamesh should have shown up by then. He showed up before Caster's end in both Fate and UBW. Is this manga really doing it's own thing THAT much?
What's the status of Berserker?
It is doing it's own thing that much.
Berserker and Ilya are still very much alive.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-16, 23:26
But Gilgamesh should have shown up by then. He showed up before Caster's end in both Fate and UBW. Is this manga really doing it's own thing THAT much?
What's the status of Berserker?
As of... volume eight, currently, the status of Berserker is unknown. We know that he attacked the temple and destroyed Caster's base, but otherwise for the moment had and Ilya have disappeared from the story. They might return now that the Caster arc has concluded.
EDIT: Damn your ninja skills, Moczo.
As of Volume Ten... Ilya and Berserker still haven't appeared since Volume Eight. :heh:
But Gilgamesh should have shown up by then. He showed up before Caster's end in both Fate and UBW. Is this manga really doing it's own thing THAT much?
What's the status of Berserker?
I'm sure that once they rehash Fate's fight with Berserker, whereby both Berserker and Archer will be gone, Gilgamesh will show up. I'm not sure if Assassin is still around, though I doubt it, so that'd leave just the 3 like at the end of Fate.
If you can't tell, I have about 0 faith that the manga won't forcefully shift itself back to the Fate route.
I'm sure that once they rehash Fate's fight with Berserker, whereby both Berserker and Archer will be gone, Gilgamesh will show up. I'm not sure if Assassin is still around, though I doubt it, so that'd leave just the 3 like at the end of Fate.
If you can't tell, I have about 0 faith that the manga won't forcefully shift itself back to the Fate route.
Hmmmm... I won't deny the possibility, and that would indeed be a bad shock (though I guess if they did Fate well I would keep reading). But... I mean, the Archer we've seen so far in this series has been played quite a bit like his UBW self. More loyal to Rin, but that hostile attitude toward Shirou is there in full. Would he be willing to make that last stand?
MainCharacter
2011-02-17, 12:20
Are we going by the American releases here? Anyone know how far ahead the manga is in Japan? Maybe he showed up there. XD
Are we going by the American releases here? Anyone know how far ahead the manga is in Japan? Maybe he showed up there. XD
Not a clue, nor have I seen any scanlations; at least none that are further than the American release.
RadiantBeam
2011-02-17, 12:39
If I remember right, I think the scans may actually be behind the American release, but it's been awhile since I checked.
Are we going by the American releases here? Anyone know how far ahead the manga is in Japan? Maybe he showed up there. XD
America's up to vol10, Japan's up to vol14. And yes, the scans are stuck on vol8, I think.
I skimmed the bookjacket summaries of vol11-14, but I'm waiting until the vol15 bookjacket summary before making any conclusions about what it may mean for an ending route.
DezoPenguin
2011-02-17, 22:14
If I remember right, I think the scans may actually be behind the American release, but it's been awhile since I checked.
This gives me the warm fuzzies for some reason. :)
(now, if the scanlators would focus their Nasuverse energies on the last two volumes of Tsukihime that went away when Dr. Master died, that would be good).
RadiantBeam
2011-02-17, 22:42
(now, if the scanlators would focus their Nasuverse energies on the last two volumes of Tsukihime that went away when Dr. Master died, that would be good).
Wait, Dr. Master died? As in the company that was translating the Tsukihime manga into English and selling them?
DezoPenguin
2011-02-18, 00:00
Wait, Dr. Master died? As in the company that was translating the Tsukihime manga into English and selling them?
Yeah; their last release of anything was a couple of years ago or so. They've basically ceased to exist. :(
MainCharacter
2011-02-18, 01:42
I wasn't asking for scanlations. I just want to see if Gilgamesh has shown up or not. I'll look at it in Japanese. XD
Aaaannnd, yeah, Dr Master died. But then their website went live again, so that could be good news!
RadiantBeam
2011-02-18, 13:22
Aaaannnd, yeah, Dr Master died. But then their website went live again, so that could be good news!
I was going to say. :heh: Because I ordered volume six of Tsukihime from them last year, and I think they were beginning to work on volume seven, unless they went inactive shortly after that.
Tiresias
2011-03-14, 05:06
*cough*Prisma Ilya *cough* 2wei chapter 14 *cough* is up *cough*
ReddyRedWolf
2011-03-14, 09:34
*cough*Prisma Ilya *cough* 2wei chapter 14 *cough* is up *cough*
Bazett is treating them like utter rookies.
... ... and the awesome just keeps right on coming! Seriously, considering how tough Bazette is and how inexperienced our gals are, they're doing great. And that last panel... oooooooh, I must see next chapter. Immediately. Someone go get it from the future, I'm sure someone on this forum has a time machine.
GlancingReverse
2011-03-14, 18:22
Using a card will give either a very good result or a very bad result when against Bazette. Hopefully, the trio gets the good result.
RadiantBeam
2011-03-30, 19:50
So, not sure if I should ask here or in the image thread, but does anyone have any decent pictures of Miyu? I can't seem to find any images of her.
So, hope no one expected to see the end of the Fate/Stay Night manga in an official American release:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-15/tokyopop-to-close-north-american-publishing-division
Kuroi Hadou
2011-04-15, 21:06
So, hope no one expected to see the end of the Fate/Stay Night manga in an official American release:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-15/tokyopop-to-close-north-american-publishing-division
#&%*$&%*#&%*#&%*&%$*%&*#&%$*& :frustrated:
Cherry_Lover
2011-04-16, 10:20
Well, at least that (hopefully) means that someone will pick up the translation again....
RadiantBeam
2011-04-16, 16:07
So, hope no one expected to see the end of the Fate/Stay Night manga in an official American release:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-15/tokyopop-to-close-north-american-publishing-division
Well, that sucks. :upset:
GlancingReverse
2011-04-27, 01:44
2wei 15 is out.
And, just as expected, Miyu gets a Fragarach given to her.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-04-27, 03:49
Hmm... Miyu as Loli Rider. The mantle is taken since Lutecia isn't a loli anymore.
*Reads chapter*
OH WHAT THE FUCK YES.
*Cough*
I mean... that chapter was rather exciting, I do say. Smashingly exuberant. Got the blood pumping. Pip pip and all that.
Tiresias
2011-04-27, 10:10
This chapter makes me sad. Really sad. Heart-wrenching "why must this awesome manga be a monthly release" and "I'm gonna pretend the new chapter hadn't came out yet since the cliffhanger disturbs my sleep" sad. :uhoh:
Is it just me or did RB just got more wrinkles older more mature?
RadiantBeam
2011-04-27, 10:10
About time Rider got some love, considering how quickly she was nerfed in the story. :D
I'm still quite intrigued, though. Hints about Miyu were quite heavy this time around compared to the last few chapters, and it looks like we might see more of Ilya's power before this fight is over.
About time Rider got some love, considering how quickly she was nerfed in the story. :D
I'm still quite intrigued, though. Hints about Miyu were quite heavy this time around compared to the last few chapters, and it looks like we might see more of Ilya's power before this fight is over.
... that was love? She did some stuff that looked impressive, then got one-shotted without really hurting Bazett at all. :heh:
I will admit to equal interest in Ilya's oddities, however. Particularly since, if you think about it, the ultimate counter to Bazett's abilities would be an overwhelming assault that was not a Noble Phantasm, something Ilya has done before...
Endscape
2011-04-27, 10:44
Be fair, it's Fragarach, even Saber would have died. It's miraculous that she's still alive after that.
Still, awesome chapter. Miyu was great, and her pissed off face was truly interesting, The hints about her were also interesting
RadiantBeam
2011-04-27, 10:45
... that was love? She did some stuff that looked impressive, then got one-shotted without really hurting Bazett at all. :heh:
I will admit to equal interest in Ilya's oddities, however. Particularly since, if you think about it, the ultimate counter to her abilities would be an overwhelming assault that was not a Noble Phantasm, something Ilya has done before...
.... Okay yeah, no, that's pretty par of the course for poor Rider until HF comes along. :heh: But Miyu gets points for trying, and I suppose they wanted to explain what happened to the Rider card from the early chapters.
The problem seems to be that in order for Ilya to even have a prayer against Bazett, she would need to go into a similar state of mind that she was in when she used the Archer card in season one. The problem there is that apparently, that whole bit with Archer was actually Kuro, at least from Ilya's point of view. So either Ilya digs up some untouched potential, or she and Kuro need to grit their teeth and work together.
.... Okay yeah, no, that's pretty par of the course for poor Rider until HF comes along. :heh: But Miyu gets points for trying, and I suppose they wanted to explain what happened to the Rider card from the early chapters.
The problem seems to be that in order for Ilya to even have a prayer against Bazett, she would need to go into a similar state of mind that she was in when she used the Archer card in season one. The problem there is that apparently, that whole bit with Archer was actually Kuro, at least from Ilya's point of view. So either Ilya digs up some untouched potential, or she and Kuro need to grit their teeth and work together.
And hey, she did do better than everyone else. At least she forced Bazett to fight seriously before she... got crushed. :heh:
... hmmm. Good point. A Noble Phantasm would just get Fragarach'd, so she needs to pull off the kind of trick she used on the Assassin Card, just a full-scale magical doomblast, and she was not in her right mind while doing that. Still, her state of mind seems to be rapidly flying toward 'desperate' as this chapter progresses...
Tiresias
2011-04-27, 17:42
And hey, she did do better than everyone else. At least she forced Bazett to fight seriously before she... got crushed. :heh:
... hmmm. Good point. A Noble Phantasm would just get Fragarach'd, so she needs to pull off the kind of trick she used on the Assassin Card, just a full-scale magical doomblast, and she was not in her right mind while doing that. Still, her state of mind seems to be rapidly flying toward 'desperate' as this chapter progresses...
Wait, if the doomblast is not "officially" considered a Noble Phantasm but is equal in power to one, can Fragra counter that too?
RadiantBeam
2011-04-28, 11:44
Wait, if the doomblast is not "officially" considered a Noble Phantasm but is equal in power to one, can Fragra counter that too?
I think in that scenario it comes down to "who hits the hardest". And we already know from past mentions of it that Ilya has quite a bit of unlocked potential just waiting to come out. Considering that she's rapidly approaching the same mindset that made her go Archer on Assassin, and Rin herself states at the very end of the chapter that Ilya is the key, it all comes down to if she can pull that kind of feat off again.
Random Wanderer
2011-04-28, 21:16
But does Illya even have that power anymore? It seemed to be said that the part of her that did that was her sealed self: the part of her that split off and became Kuro. And we have seen that ever since Kuro and Illya split, Illya's magical output even with Ruby has gone WAY down. I don't think Illya CAN pull out the "lyrical-grade" magical blasts any more.
And since Kuro's energy doesn't seem to regenerate on its own, if SHE does it she could very well kill herself. And that's assuming Bazette's game-breaker doesn't do it first.
How DID Miyu survive? Fragarach or however that's spelled is supposed to be unavoidable. Then again, Gae Bolg is too, and Saber survived it. Perhaps Miyu has an inhumanly high luck-stat. But the two are unavoidable for different reasons... These folks really like to tease us by pretending to give clues about Miyu without actually revealing anything.
RadiantBeam
2011-04-29, 14:51
How DID Miyu survive? Fragarach or however that's spelled is supposed to be unavoidable. Then again, Gae Bolg is too, and Saber survived it. Perhaps Miyu has an inhumanly high luck-stat. But the two are unavoidable for different reasons... These folks really like to tease us by pretending to give clues about Miyu without actually revealing anything.
If what they've been hinting about Miyu is true and she has some kind of connection to Shirou, it's possible that she has the same endurance/regeneration power that he has, or perhaps some kind of variation of it. Personally, I'm glad to see hints being dropped about her again. It's been a few chapters since they touched on the fact that she isn't human.
I watched this anime a long ago, but decided to read the last chapter of the manga just now. I'm confused. o_O
Is the manga sorta different from the anime?
RadiantBeam
2011-05-05, 12:37
It is. The manga is more of a mix of UBW and Fate, while the anime was a little bit of UBW, Fate, and HF.
Random Wanderer
2011-05-06, 19:46
Hmm... it occurs to me that a potential way for the girls to at least defeat Bazette's trump card is for one of them to use Berserker. From what I read, Fragarach has limited uses, so Berserker's 12 lives would likely be enough to outlast her.
On the other hand, I don't think I would want to see one of the girls transform into an over-muscled monster like that...
DezoPenguin
2011-05-06, 22:28
Heck, since Fragarach just counters Noble Phantasms, Berserker would be perfect because it would give the raw power/speed/CON bonuses to stay in the fight with Bazett's crazy fighting skills. Except, of course, that Bazett has six cards now, presumably including Berserker, so that's out.
Random Wanderer
2011-05-06, 23:16
Heck, since Fragarach just counters Noble Phantasms, Berserker would be perfect because it would give the raw power/speed/CON bonuses to stay in the fight with Bazett's crazy fighting skills. Except, of course, that Bazett has six cards now, presumably including Berserker, so that's out.
According to the wiki article I read about it, Fragarach is actually capable of working against any attack, it is just most effective when used against an enemy's most powerful strike. Apparently when used against a lesser attack, its retalitory strike may not be lethal. It states that using it against Berserker would cost him one of his lives unconditionally, but that's no big threat to him.
As for getting the card, it's true that Bazette has it at the moment, but Illya made specific note of where she put them, so I suspect she isn't going to keep them for long. And the seventh card she's missing is obviously Archer, because it's part of Kuro. I'm not sure Kuro can even survive if the card is removed, and it's not something I'm anxious to have tested.
GlancingReverse
2011-05-07, 03:01
Fragarach just takes the force of the opposing strike and sends it back at them faster, or something like that.
The missing card is definitely Archer, which leads to the question of just what Illya could do that would actually work.
Cherry_Lover
2011-05-07, 06:46
It is. The manga is more of a mix of UBW and Fate, while the anime was a little bit of UBW, Fate, and HF.
No, the anime was not a "little bit of UBW, Fate and HF", the anime is 90% Fate, 7% UBW and 3% some horrible bastardisation which is supposed to be based on HF but which actually has absolutely none of what makes HF so great and which makes precisely fuck-all sense.
Hmm... it occurs to me that a potential way for the girls to at least defeat Bazette's trump card is for one of them to use Berserker. From what I read, Fragarach has limited uses, so Berserker's 12 lives would likely be enough to outlast her.
On the other hand, I don't think I would want to see one of the girls transform into an over-muscled monster like that...
Actually, it's even better than that, because God Hand means that Fragarach will only work on him once. Indeed, this actually happens in canon, when Bazett fights Berserker in Hollow Ataraxia.
Fragarach just takes the force of the opposing strike and sends it back at them faster, or something like that.
Not true. Fragarach only works against the opponents trump card, but it doesn't use the force of that attack against the enemy, it merely kills them before they can even make said attack.
The missing card is definitely Archer, which leads to the question of just what Illya could do that would actually work.
Well, Archer has a lot of things which are powerful but don't count as "trump cards", so....
No, the anime was not a "little bit of UBW, Fate and HF", the anime is 90% Fate, 7% UBW and 3% some horrible bastardisation which is supposed to be based on HF but which actually has absolutely none of what makes HF so great and which makes precisely fuck-all sense.
Lol. In the spirit of Tsukihime, I will now announce that there was no HF in the FSN anime. ;)
SalvadorLida
2011-05-07, 07:10
Yazılanlar çok değişik - ilgimi cekti, okumaya devam edecegim..
Kuroi Hadou
2011-05-07, 07:10
Lol. In the spirit of Tsukihime, I will now announce that there was no HF in the FSN anime. ;)
I was half-expecting you to say: "There was no FSN anime". :heh:
Random Wanderer
2011-05-07, 08:16
Actually, it's even better than that, because God Hand means that Fragarach will only work on him once. Indeed, this actually happens in canon, when Bazett fights Berserker in Hollow Ataraxia.
Sounds like that's their best chance, then. But perhaps the author has some other idea for how to get them out of this. I just hope something is done before the Archer card is taken, because I really am afraid Kuro will die without it.
Cherry_Lover
2011-05-07, 16:13
Lol. In the spirit of Tsukihime, I will now announce that there was no HF in the FSN anime. ;)
Well, there actually isn't. None of the plot points of HF are actually mentioned in any real detail (even Rin's relationship with Sakura isn't made clear), and the similarities between the battle scenes are entirely superficial.
RadiantBeam
2011-05-08, 19:16
Sounds like that's their best chance, then. But perhaps the author has some other idea for how to get them out of this. I just hope something is done before the Archer card is taken, because I really am afraid Kuro will die without it.
Unless as a last resort, Kuro decides to merge with Ilya and return to her for safety, at least until the worst of the danger passes. Considering what they've been hinting with Ilya though in the past few chapters, I doubt anyone will be dying if she has a say in it.
Random Wanderer
2011-05-08, 23:11
Unless as a last resort, Kuro decides to merge with Ilya and return to her for safety, at least until the worst of the danger passes.
I'm not sure they could merge and remain separate individuals capable of splitting again.
We shall have to count on Illya and Rin's ingenuity.
RadiantBeam
2011-05-09, 23:01
I'm not sure they could merge and remain separate individuals capable of splitting again.
We shall have to count on Illya and Rin's ingenuity.
Blah, yeah, I forgot about that. I just remember having a conversation with Moczo over the possibility of Kuro merging with Ilya again at some point.
Still, it pretty much is up to Ilya at this point. Rin definitely seems to think she can win, so we'll have to see what she does in the next chapter.
Tiresias
2011-06-19, 20:54
*cough*2wei 16 is up*cough*
8th card?! Wonder whether it'll be Avenger or Gilgamesh...
RadiantBeam
2011-06-20, 21:14
I'm going to say it now. I'm totally calling it.
The eighth card is somehow linked to Miyu. It's a card that shouldn't exist, she's a presence that shouldn't exist. There's a connection.
Tiresias
2011-06-20, 21:30
I'm going to say it now. I'm totally calling it.
The eighth card is somehow linked to Miyu. It's a card that shouldn't exist, she's a presence that shouldn't exist. There's a connection.
*GASP* Miyu is Avenger? :heh:
ReddyRedWolf
2011-06-20, 21:50
Great now Bazett is connected in pain with Illya and Kuro. They better not slip to mom and dad about this.
Makes me wonder if Shirou will finally be involved. Four of cast have love arrows pointed to him.
Bazett is incredibly badass in this manga. Probably my favorite chapters so far. It was cool how there were close calls for both sides.
I should re-read the first series.
RadiantBeam
2011-06-22, 10:13
*GASP* Miyu is Avenger? :heh:
Heck, why not. :heh:
*GASP* Miyu is Avenger? :heh:
Heck, why not. :heh:
... ... you know, in HA I think Avenger has some kind of odd connection to Shirou, and Miyu has been hinted to have, well, some kind of odd connection to Shirou... it's tenuous, but this is kinda plausible!
Miyu was Ilya's darker counterpart before Kuro. So she must be the vessel for the Grail created by Zouken.
I would laugh if that were true. And then rage, because Zouken.
RadiantBeam
2011-06-23, 21:35
Miyu was Ilya's darker counterpart before Kuro. So she must be the vessel for the Grail created by Zouken.
I would laugh if that were true. And then rage, because Zouken.
Why would Zouken create Miyu, though? If he wanted a vessel for the Grail, he would just use Sakura to create it like he did in HF instead of going through the trouble of producing another vessel.
Why would Zouken create Miyu, though? If he wanted a vessel for the Grail, he would just use Sakura to create it like he did in HF instead of going through the trouble of producing another vessel.Who knows? This world is different in so many ways. It was just a silly idea.
Now I'm wondering how Kotomine fits into this world. His daughter has a cameo, so he probably existed somewhere but.... Kotomine and Zouken are too dark for this story. And Kiritsugu is still alive.
Tiresias
2011-07-04, 07:46
A 2wei extra chapter is out. Damn, that homework is a riot! :heh:
ReddyRedWolf
2011-07-04, 07:48
Laughing my ass off at chapter 16.5. :heh:
Taiga you've ruined any guy wanting to have Illya, Kuro and Miyu wanting to be their boyfriend or husband.
For that matter you've ruined any childhood dream of them becoming a bride.
Tiresias
2011-07-04, 09:39
One thing bugs me though. Mr. K is obviously Kiritsugu, and Ms. T is Taiga, but who's Ms. N? :heh:
Hahaha, way to go, Taiga.
One thing bugs me though. Mr. K is obviously Kiritsugu, and Ms. T is Taiga, but who's Ms. N? :heh:Well, the woman is drawn as taller than Kiritsugu and with her hair tied back. I don't know much about F/HA, but Hotaruzuka's nickname is Neko and her hair looks tied back. Taller though? Dunno.
The other guess, from the art, is Rider/Medusa. Not really an N name but....
RadiantBeam
2011-07-04, 20:40
One thing bugs me though. Mr. K is obviously Kiritsugu, and Ms. T is Taiga, but who's Ms. N? :heh:
Might be Shirou's boss. Her nickname is Neko, I think.
Tiresias
2011-07-04, 22:45
...I didn't even know they named her :heh:
But still, why N? Why not Irisviel? Too obvious for the kids? :p
ReddyRedWolf
2011-07-05, 03:55
...I didn't even know they named her :heh:
But still, why N? Why not Irisviel? Too obvious for the kids? :p
Irisviel EiNsbern?
...I didn't even know they named her :heh:
But still, why N? Why not Irisviel? Too obvious for the kids? :pMaybe Taiga likes Irisviel and not Neko. Ms. N does end up having an affair with Ms. T's husband after all.
Also: I just re-read chapter 16. The part where Kuro uses Archer's Kanshou and Bakuya skill from HF was some nice fanservice.
Can't wait to see if the 8th card is Avenger or another Archer card. Or another twist entirely.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-07-06, 20:35
I don't think Taiga was ever married. She just injected her fantasy into the curriculum.
Hell Kuro stole her first kiss I think.
How old is Taiga?
RadiantBeam
2011-07-07, 09:26
How old is Taiga?
Um... I don't think we're ever given a definite age, though I know she was a teenager when Shirou was still a kid, though. I'd guess she's maybe mid to late twenties, at the most.
Cherry_Lover
2011-07-07, 14:25
I think she's supposed to be mid-twenties (I'm sure I remember something about her being 25, but I have no hard evidence for that).
ReddyRedWolf
2011-07-27, 16:30
New interlude chap is out.
LOL at Rin and Ludvia's "Friendship".
Irisviel is truly scary. Shirou better not be a lolicon.
Tiresias
2011-08-31, 20:26
Apparently there's a Fate/Zero manga, but something bugs me: the summoning of Saber occurred in an Einzbern chapel, so how did the summoning circle got moved to the Emiya workshop at the beginning of Fate/Stay Night?
Endscape
2011-08-31, 20:29
Apparently there's a Fate/Zero manga, but something bugs me: the summoning of Saber occurred in an Einzbern chapel, so how did the summoning circle got moved to the Emiya workshop at the beginning of Fate/Stay Night?
Irisviel drew a circle in the shed so Saber could heal up.
Tiresias
2011-09-01, 02:27
Irisviel drew a circle in the shed so Saber could heal up.
Ah, I see. Thank goodness, I was afraid this was going to be another loose adaptation.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-10-03, 05:15
Illya Prisma Chap 17
Oh my goodness! Can't help but think of a certain route in Fate/Stay Night.
Kissing is one way of refilling prana but there is another... Having sex
Which Kuro whispers to Illya.
Xellos-_^
2011-10-03, 12:47
to those who still care
chapter 59
caster is dead, Gil appears. All Hail the Fate Route
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-09, 03:34
Re-reading Fate/Kaleid Prisma Illya Zwei! again I noticed Rin mentioning she's half Japanese on her father's side.
Now in Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Rin is a full Japanese with her parents Tokiomi and Aoi.
Sakura also exist in Fate/Kaleid but seems not Rin's sister.
It could mean Rin has her father Tokiomi and a different mother. While Sakura is born from Aoi who probably married Kariya Matou.
Either that or Tokiomi and Aoi divorced taking a daughter each and Rin having her memory altered.
As far as we now the alliance of Einsbern, Tosaka and Matou did not occur hence no holy grail war. But the Einsberns tried to start one 10 years before which Kiritsugu and Irisviel may have rebelled to save Illya.
As for Miyu I have a suspicion Luvia summoned her from a parallel reality. Namely the Fate/Stay reality. So Miyu could be telling the truth that F/K Shirou resembled her brother, F/S Shirou.
Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg himself summoned Neco-Arc from a parallel universe. Multi-Dimensional Refraction Phenomenon is part of second magic that Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg is capable of. The Jewel Sword and Kaleido Sticks are artifacts of such.
Oh man, Gil is broken even in Prisma Ilya. :heh:
Also, Caren isn't judge a nurse cameo side-character? Surprising! I love her intro.
Just read the latest translated chapter.. I don't like what they're doing at all. The way the mangaka changed Archer's character so much is horrible. Shirou saving Rin was a pretty cool moment, the way he jumped off the cliff with Rin was pretty GAR.
Knowing this is going to follow the Fate route though, the ShirouxRin moment shoudn't be here.
For that who read raws or manga in original- is that chance for RinxShirou ending? And how big this chance is?
For that who read raws or manga in original- is that chance for RinxShirou ending? And how big this chance is?
I don't think that's an option right now. From what I see they've been developing SaberxShirou more than ShirouxRin. The Rin moments are more friendship/comrade bonding than romantic.
As for Archer's changes, I haven't played the game but to me he feels like a more fleshed out version of the anime Archer. Definitely not the UBW anime archer.
GeostigmataShi
2011-11-24, 00:24
I don't think that's an option right now. From what I see they've been developing SaberxShirou more than ShirouxRin. The Rin moments are more friendship/comrade bonding than romantic.
As for Archer's changes, I haven't played the game but to me he feels like a more fleshed out version of the anime Archer. Definitely not the UBW anime archer.
I read the RAW
and there's zero chance if you ask me ...
since the scene where shirou said that he realize he love saber is already there
RAGE... RAGE... CURSE...
I read the RAW
and there's zero chance if you ask me ...
since the scene where shirou said that he realize he love saber is already there
RAGE... RAGE... CURSE...
Well there are plenty of doujins to fulfill your RinxShirou moments ;), plenty of mana transferring.
I read the RAW
and there's zero chance if you ask me ...
since the scene where shirou said that he realize he love saber is already there
RAGE... RAGE... CURSE...
lol I don't think the mangaka understand that people are sick of the fate route.
Kyrissaean
2012-04-24, 15:51
The manga has potential to still include heaven feel route since most of the servants are still around. It could be a better conclusion to the" sparks liner high" ending in the visual novel. For example a certain someone left behind and forgotten at the temple would be a perfect sacrifice and the only reason shiro ended up and that end counts as bad is that his magic circuit was developed but since this manga follow UBW and fate somewhat shiro's magic circuit should be more developed then this no training in and simply attach archer's arm for quick boost. Also rider died could be a lie sakura made to shinji since after all in heaven feel rider got excalibured but unlike fate she somehow came back just like archer did in UBW after they supposed died is due to maybe one of the stories plot hole...
Xellos-_^
2012-04-24, 15:52
if you just reading the Eng Scans, it just hasn't caught up.
It is 99% Fate ending.
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