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who do you guys think is the strongest character introduced so far? my thought is that even though guys like whitebeard, shanks, and the Shichibukai are really strong, I really can't imagine Eneru being beaten by anyone not having the power of rubber. Lightning is just too powerful. I had respect for the Shichibukai until the skypea arc...after seeing eneru's power, well lets just say that it'll be pretty hard to make a future enemy more powerful than Eneru
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-15, 01:28
who do you guys think is the strongest character introduced so far? my thought is that even though guys like whitebeard, shanks, and the Shichibukai are really strong, I really can't imagine Eneru being beaten by anyone not having the power of rubber. Lightning is just too powerful. I had respect for the Shichibukai until the skypea arc...after seeing eneru's power, well lets just say that it'll be pretty hard to make a future enemy more powerful than Eneru
of course because electricty cant shock smoke or sand. Plus no matter how strong the fruit, there is a way to beat it. ^^ think about it, everything has a weakness
I never like having an opinion on strongest characters and stuff. :P With all strength comes a weakness.
El Diablo
2003-12-15, 07:10
You know what i find funny, people always go on about how eneru kicks ass because of his fruit, he's still incredibly strong without it, as he showed with luffy. He can not only manipulate his attacks to hurt luffy, but he also has his mantra, which allows him to avoid attacks.
Dragon Flame
2003-12-15, 07:34
too hard of a decision
Uh... too early to ask that.
So far, it's Eneru.
But Shanks and White Beard ownz all, by the simple fact the government don't dare send the Shichibukai to capture them :D
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-15, 11:10
You know what i find funny, people always go on about how eneru kicks ass because of his fruit, he's still incredibly strong without it, as he showed with luffy. He can not only manipulate his attacks to hurt luffy, but he also has his mantra, which allows him to avoid attacks.
the ppl that we've seen with the fruits are generally not strong. Look at crocodile, once his weakness was found Luffy bounced him around till he started using the drying sand thing. Buggy is just weak. Luffy and Ace seems to be the only ones to prove that they are strong without it. Luffy wouldve died without his fruit tho, he wouldve been crushed several times.
Hey, I just notice in the anime that there was these wanted poster with some of the same dude in it. Like in Eps 46 when luffy talk to the old dude, in the background there was fews post and the one that I could clearly see was Shu Peal. Then in eps 67 there were those same poster again, Shu Peal. I start reading the manga ch 200 and up but not close to being uptodate. Went to Null and couldn't find those earlier ch. So anyone know if that Shu Peal person is any significant or was it added in by the anime?
shiznitty
2003-12-15, 19:48
question: i dont really know the extent of eneru's power, as i havent read the manga, just only heard about his lightning technique. If he uses lightning, isnt luffy invunerable to it? since rubber doesnt conduct electricity?
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-15, 19:49
question: i dont really know the extent of eneru's power, as i havent read the manga, just only heard about his lightning technique. If he uses lightning, isnt luffy invunerable to it? since rubber doesnt conduct electricity?
only in anime world. In real world lighting would melt rubber.
shiznitty
2003-12-16, 02:12
wait, do you mean that luffy is entirely resistent to it? or what?
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-16, 11:05
wait, do you mean that luffy is entirely resistent to it? or what?
i havent got there yet myself, but i heard he is resistant. IRC is being a pain in the ass!
Nine Devil
2004-01-24, 07:07
well i read till chapter 307 translated
Eneru is beaten(but where in the fuck did he go?He was flying away or something to the see's.I really hope something liek this happens he encounters Shanks or Whitebeard.He want's to fight Shanks's or Whitebeard,who he encounters,then he got killed with one punch that would goddamnit own!!!!!
Well back to topic hmm Strongest is Shanks or Whitebeard one of these two.
Ah i forgot Luffy said that there were more stronger people than Eneru in the sea's (meaning the pirates :D)
whatever123
2004-01-24, 07:20
i bleieve the strongest to be le chuck
CAPTAIN USOPP!!
2004-01-24, 09:40
i think it's pretty obvious that Usopp is the most powerful character in One Piece =P
DarkNtity
2004-01-24, 15:17
well i read till chapter 307 translated
Eneru is beaten(but where in the fuck did he go?He was flying away or something to the see's.I really hope something liek this happens he encounters Shanks or Whitebeard.He want's to fight Shanks's or Whitebeard,who he encounters,then he got killed with one punch that would goddamnit own!!!!!
Well back to topic hmm Strongest is Shanks or Whitebeard one of these two.
Ah i forgot Naruto said that there were more stronger people than Eneru in the sea's (meaning the pirates :D)
Ener went mad after his defeat. So he headed to the (New) Fairy Vearth, which happens to be the moon.
Strongest character so far, personally I'd say Mihawk.
Nine Devil
2004-01-24, 16:57
Darknitiy thnx for the info but Mihawk is not the strongest it is either Shanks or Whitebeard.
DarkNtity
2004-01-24, 18:09
Darknitiy thnx for the info but Mihawk is not the strongest it is either Shanks or Whitebeard.
Ok, do you mind telling me why what you said should be taken as fact?
Facts: Neither Luffy or Zoro were able to lay a finger on Mihawk when they met him.
Mihawk sails the Grand Line on a freaking raft, that's akin to the Marine's
top dog Admiral Ao Kiji sailing the Grandline on a bicycle.
Skanks was Mihawks sparring buddy, but Mihawk doesn't want spar
no more since Shanks lost an arm. (That's the only info about Shanks's
strength/abilities).
WhiteBeard was once the only man who could match Roger, but that
was two decades ago and the dude looks like he's
on life support at the moment and nothing is known about his abilities.
(He is actually the strongest since Oda said so).
Then there are also a whole bunch of other potentials. Luffy, Smoker (who can whoop Luffy on a daily basis), Ace (who nullifies Smoker's attacks but is answers to WhiteBeard) BlackBeard who killed one of WhiteBeard's men and lives to tell the tale. Admiral Ao Kiji who is #1 of the Marines and strolls the GL alone (could be a basis for his strenght) and Mihawk who also strolls the GL alone and seems untouchable thus far. So right or wrong, I picked Mihawk.
So tell me why I'm wrong again?
Nine Devil
2004-01-24, 21:27
well it's staited in the mnaga that even the Marine doesn't want to fight with the 2 pirates(Shanks and whitebeard)Cuz they know that these two would kill all all of the Shichibukai.So they are the strongest.Plus Mihawk didn't want to fight Shanks it was just a excuse plus he wasn't his sparring partner.Shanks just said that like do you ant to fight me?And we clearly saw Mihawk was scared(actually two times When shanks said i can't leave you so quick now)Plus at the meeting we saw that there were stronger people than him(in the shichibukai)
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-25, 01:47
there are so many hints to SHanks being the strongest of them all. If you cant catch these clues, u must take some classes in plot development. Oda is a surprising one tho, very unorthodox.
DarkNtity
2004-01-25, 08:19
No, it's stated in the manga, that the marines don't want Shanks and Whitebeard meeting eachother. And the Shichibukai aren't really servants of the Marines. They both have equal power and look at how many of them turned up when they were sent for? It would have been two, if Mihawk hadn't met the Straw- Hat pirates. If the marines were to declare war on Shanks and Whitebeard, they could only hope for the Shichibukai to help. They don't own them squat except for a periodic tax (bribe money).
And where is it said or shown that Kuma and/or DoFlamingo are stronger than Mihawk?
Like Zoro said. Oda is unorthodox. The reason the Marines don't want these two great forces to meet might not be because of the strength these two Pirate Captains and their crew posses, but rather the ideology that might come to be if they were to join forces. Shanks has great charisma, he could be a great politician (the Martin Luther King of the seas). That might be what his " strength" is. Strength in numbers and a good speaker to boot who isn't keen on the marines. More pirates join The WhiteBread/Mihawk ideology and I'll be damned if that doesn't spell trouble for the marines.
It's stated right in either The Red/Blue Grand data file books that Shanks and Mihawk were rivals and sparring buddies when Shanks had both arms. So when a former, now handicapped sparring buddy asks for a fight, how do you react, if not surprised? What you think I'm talking outta my ass like..... ahem.
And Zoro, since there are so many clues of Shanks's strength, would you mind tossing me two or three? A glare of death to a Sea King withstanding.
Nine Devil
2004-01-25, 14:48
Mate you got it all wrong They are feared The strongest is Shanks or Whitebeard i stated why if you don't want to listen can't say a thing but its a fact that they are the kings now.
El Diablo
2004-01-25, 16:38
Yes, but theres no REAL proof that shanks himself is strong, just that his crew is the most feared/second most feared on the Grand Line. It does say that Whitebeard is currently the strongest pirate though, when it shows his character thing in the manga.
Also, its never known that Mihawk is weaker than the other 2 shichibukai members whos names i can't be bothered to remember. Since out of all of the known current shichibukai Mihawk is the only person who hasn't had their bounty revealed.
I personally feel that Ao Kiji is stronger than any of the shichibukai, simply because he rides the grand line on a bike, a damned BIKE. HOW COOL IS THAT? He also rides it by himself, without any other marines. Not even smoker travels alone on the grand line. He also looks pretty cool, and being the marines strongest fighter, he has to be damned good.
My favourite fighter at the minute is Ace, but simply because he hands smoker his ass. I don't think he's the strongest, even if he was capable of beating luffy in a fight even before he ate the mera mera no mi.
Jinbei also hasn't been revealed, all thats known about him is he's a member of the shichibukai, and that arlong was one of his former crew members.
At the minute, i think that the strongest character is either Ao kiji or Shanks if he can fight/whitebeard. Remember, whitebeard might be old, but hes HUGE, and shanks only has 1 arm. Doesn't this show you something about them, the fact that somebody who could be luffy's grandad and a one armed man are the 2 most feared pirates on grandline.
Nine Devil
2004-01-25, 16:57
No i think Luffy is related to Gold Roger if you read the chapter where Robin finds a artifact who is been written by Gold roger
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-25, 17:03
No, it's stated in the manga, that the marines don't want Shanks and Whitebeard meeting eachother. And the Shichibukai aren't really servants of the Marines. They both have equal power and look at how many of them turned up when they were sent for? It would have been two, if Mihawk hadn't met the Straw- Hat pirates. If the marines were to declare war on Shanks and Whitebeard, they could only hope for the Shichibukai to help. They don't own them squat except for a periodic tax (bribe money).
And where is it said or shown that Kuma and/or DoFlamingo are stronger than Mihawk?
Like Zoro said. Oda is unorthodox. The reason the Marines don't want these two great forces to meet might not be because of the strength these two Pirate Captains and their crew posses, but rather the ideology that might come to be if they were to join forces. Shanks has great charisma, he could be a great politician (the Martin Luther King of the seas). That might be what his " strength" is. Strength in numbers and a good speaker to boot who isn't keen on the marines. More pirates join The WhiteBread/Mihawk ideology and I'll be damned if that doesn't spell trouble for the marines.
It's stated right in either The Red/Blue Grand data file books that Shanks and Mihawk were rivals and sparring buddies when Shanks had both arms. So when a former, now handicapped sparring buddy asks for a fight, how do you react, if not surprised? What you think I'm talking outta my ass like..... ahem.
And Zoro, since there are so many clues of Shanks's strength, would you mind tossing me two or three? A glare of death to a Sea King withstanding.
the clues?? well lets see....
frst off the meeting of Shanks and White Beard. Its true that they may be afraid of Shanks's revolutinary "charisma" or wat not. BUt wat would he do with politics?? HES A PIRATE! Not everyone respects pirates as we have seen. The Marines do not call the Schibukais for small reasons. I mean if France and ENgland as at war and Italy wanted to meet France to discuss the war, u think England will call upon USA and Russia?? However if England and USA was fighting, and China wanted to speak to USA, even if its just about economy, England will run around the world looking for its allies, anywhere they can find one.
Rockstar, a messenger of SHanks pirates. (wait wat?? Thats right, the messenger) is worth 90 million. basically one of the men that SHanks has can join the Shichibukai... and is feared more than Crocodile. In One Piece, its been shown that pirate captain can defeat their entire crew by himself. (excluding the officers... sometimes even them)
White Beard actually wants to meet Shanks.
Shanks is Luffy's hero in the beginning of the anime/manga. He gives Luffy the hat, Shanks is the reason that Luffy is a pirate. LIke many animes/manga/movies/tv shows/books. Luffy will want to overcome and become greater than SHanks (he even said himself he will) With tat said, its ovbious that Oda at least thought about having Shanks as a final obstacle for Luffy becomming Pirate King.
Nine Devil
2004-01-25, 17:05
well everything is right zoro but one thing is wrong that messenger is still being tested :D he is not even a junior member.
edit:Btw which chapter we saw whitebeard?I forgot and want to read it again plus that admiral on the bike we alone see him in the further right not in close?
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-25, 17:06
well everything is right zoro but one thing is wrong that messenger is still being tested :D he is not even a junior member.
supports my argument more than!
i think Shanks or whitebeard is the strongest.
White beard may be weaker now since he is older but his reputation is still the strongest.
Shanks how ever can prove he is strong. During the arlong Arc (i think) they talk about the eyesof a sea king. They said once they become red the sea king can not be stopped until the prey is destroyed. Back when luffy was saved in the water the sea kings eyes were red. and Shanks stared it down he made the sea king run away scared. Plus he did not even show any pain for losing his arm.
DarkNtity
2004-01-25, 20:43
1. Nine Devil, there's not one lick of a thing you've said towards me that is indeed fact with the exception of WhiteBeard being the Strongest. I'm not getting into this with you anymore because of one these reasons: you don't know how to argue
or you don't know how to argue, take your pick. All the things you've been making up are headache inducing.
2. El Diablo, I'm kinda dissapointed you failed to see the potential Mihawk has of being the strongest. You nominated Ao Kiji as potential strongest because he rides the GrandLine on a bike. And rightfully so, I say. I don't know of any other character that sails that ocean without a crew, a partner, or a devil fruit powered vehicle except for Mihawk. A raft, not even man powered. It just goes where the wind takes it. Two of the most hardcore characters
C'mon man, you don't see where I'm coming from?
3. Zoro, Your Country analogy threw me off. I don't see the point of country A or B not calling country C,D and E to check where they stand, war always makes people paranoid to begin with.
And what I meant with the Shanks being a politician was that, if those two legendary figures were to meet and join forces with Shanks spreading the word to overthrow the government. That could result in other pirates taking Whitebeard/Shanks example on and also taking on that ideology. Which won't really favour the marines. Cooperation between Pirate crews to do away with the government.
The Belli bounty system is flawed. This isn't DBZ whereby the person with the highest # is the strongest. If Mr. 3 almost succeded in taking down Dorry and Brogy, together worth 200 000 000 belli, then I believe Mr. 0 could have singlehandedly killed them both without a scratch on him. Oh, yeah and he was worth a mere 81 000 000. I bet the 20 000 000 worth Arlong could beat the crap out of 55 000 000 worth Bellamy. Lots of things come into play when a Bounty sum is being set for someone. The clues are littered all over the manga.
To conclude this, you've made my work too easy for me. The most crucial bit of info always seems to be neglected and I keep bringing it up. Shanks and Mihawk were rivals/sparring buddies before Shanks lost his arm. Sparring buddies tend to have equal power or power so close to eachother, it's too hard to tell who's stronger.
You seem to think Shanks is the strongest in the series, but.......Who constantly goes out seeking challenges to hone his skill? Who turned to booze? Who lost an arm? Who refuses to fight a handicapped man?What do you think they used while they were sparring? Who holds the title of strongest/best swordsman in the world? :twitch:
Damn, If Shanks is the strongest and Mihawk is stronger than Shanks then Shanks is the strongest. Awesome logic!!!!
Unless some new points are brought up that hasn't been discussed already, I'm stepping out of this thread.
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-25, 22:36
1. Nine Devil, there's not one lick of a thing you've said towards me that is indeed fact with the exception of WhiteBeard being the Strongest. I'm not getting into this with you anymore because of one these reasons: you don't know how to argue
or you don't know how to argue, take your pick. All the things you've been making up are headache inducing.
2. El Diablo, I'm kinda dissapointed you failed to see the potential Mihawk has of being the strongest. You nominated Ao Kiji as potential strongest because he rides the GrandLine on a bike. And rightfully so, I say. I don't know of any other character that sails that ocean without a crew, a partner, or a devil fruit powered vehicle except for Mihawk. A raft, not even man powered. It just goes where the wind takes it. Two of the most hardcore characters
C'mon man, you don't see where I'm coming from?
3. Zoro, Your Country analogy threw me off. I don't see the point of country A or B not calling country C,D and E to check where they stand, war always makes people paranoid to begin with.
And what I meant with the Shanks being a politician was that, if those two legendary figures were to meet and join forces with Shanks spreading the word to overthrow the government. That could result in other pirates taking Whitebeard/Shanks example on and also taking on that ideology. Which won't really favour the marines. Cooperation between Pirate crews to do away with the government.
The Belli bounty system is flawed. This isn't DBZ whereby the person with the highest # is the strongest. If Mr. 3 almost succeded in taking down Dorry and Brogy, together worth 200 000 000 belli, then I believe Mr. 0 could have singlehandedly killed them both without a scratch on him. Oh, yeah and he was worth a mere 81 000 000. I bet the 20 000 000 worth Arlong could beat the crap out of 55 000 000 worth Bellamy. Lots of things come into play when a Bounty sum is being set for someone. The clues are littered all over the manga.
To conclude this, you've made my work too easy for me. The most crucial bit of info always seems to be neglected and I keep bringing it up. Shanks and Mihawk were rivals/sparring buddies before Shanks lost his arm. Sparring buddies tend to have equal power or power so close to eachother, it's too hard to tell who's stronger.
You seem to think Shanks is the strongest in the series, but.......Who constantly goes out seeking challenges to hone his skill? Who turned to booze? Who lost an arm? Who refuses to fight a handicapped man?What do you think they used while they were sparring? Who holds the title of strongest/best swordsman in the world? :twitch:
Damn, If Shanks is the strongest and Mihawk is stronger than Shanks then Shanks is the strongest. Awesome logic!!!!
Unless some new points are brought up that hasn't been discussed already, I'm stepping out of this thread.
where did u get the idea that Shank and Mihawk was sparring buddies?? Wat makes u think Bellamy would lose to Arlong?? Youre saying we're only speculating, but u have less proof of wat you say.
id say more, but i have to for now.
Nine Devil
2004-01-26, 05:29
Mihawk is not the only one who sails alone what about Ace.Its clearly stated in the manga when they Showed Whitebeard it said that he was the strongest plus Buggy said it too.Well Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world but One Piece is not a real pirate life many strong Characters don't even use sword.Well Usop's father Yassop can easily own Mihawk's ass cuz he has a pistol.Well you get the picture Shanks is for nothing the boss of the red hat pirates(it means he is the strongest.)What about Ao Kiji he is the boss of the shichibukai.And about beli bounty system Doflamingo killed bellamy without even moving.but if you ask me i think bellamy looks stronger that that wimp and lets say Mihawk can beat Shanks why in the hell doesn't the Five Elder Stars send the Shichibukai to kill Shanks?The most feared pirate that there is with Whitebeard.Hup kill Shanks and there goes the problems.You talk about facts and etc. but wtf are you saying only damn assuptions and trying to show it as facts and where in the hell did they say Mihawk and Shanks was sparring budies?Again a assumption of yours?Plus i can argue but why should i reply to a guy that doesn't want to see the facts.
The Strongest:Whitebeard and Shanks,Ao Kiji(maybe?)
DarkNtity
2004-01-26, 09:57
where did u get the idea that Shank and Mihawk was sparring buddies?? Wat makes u think Bellamy would lose to Arlong?? Youre saying we're only speculating, but u have less proof of wat you say.
id say more, but i have to for now.
It's stated right in either The One Piece Red/Blue Grand data file books that Shanks and Mihawk were rivals and sparring buddies when Shanks had both arms. So something Oda himself said is speculation? It would be nice if posts weren't skimmed through, I posted that a while ago.
True, the Bellamy vs Arlong is pure speculation, but how long and hard did Luffy have to fight to take down Arlong? And what did a single punch from Luffy do to Bellamy? (And Luffy hasn't gotten physically stronger, he's the same dude he was when he first met Coby. Just has mucho willpower and creativity)
Same thing with Croc vs Dorry and Brogy, he could slaugther them before they knew what hit them. Common sense, if you bring into play what each of those characters can do. This I tried to use as an example that the bounty system is flawed.
Whether you thwart a corrupt marine's plan, whether the marines need help from certain pirates, what a pirate does that the marines know about, whhat a pirate does that the marines don't know about, whether the marines consider you a threat because you're a good or bad pirate.
What do you mean to the marines, that's what decides the bounty sum you get.
Mihawk is not the only one who sails alone what about Ace.Its clearly stated in the manga when they Showed Whitebeard it said that he was the strongest plus Buggy said it too.Well Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world but One Piece is not a real pirate life many strong Characters don't even use sword.Well Usop's father Yassop can easily own Mihawk's ass cuz he has a pistol.Well you get the picture Shanks is for nothing the boss of the red hat pirates(it means he is the strongest.)What about Ao Kiji he is the boss of the shichibukai.And about beli bounty system Doflamingo killed bellamy without even moving.but if you ask me i think bellamy looks stronger that that wimp and lets say Mihawk can beat Shanks why in the hell doesn't the Five Elder Stars send the Shichibukai to kill Shanks?The most feared pirate that there is with Whitebeard.Hup kill Shanks and there goes the problems.You talk about facts and etc. but wtf are you saying only damn assuptions and trying to show it as facts and where in the hell did they say Mihawk and Shanks was sparring budies?Again a assumption of yours?Plus i can argue but why should i reply to a guy that doesn't want to see the facts.
The Strongest:Whitebeard and Shanks,Ao Kiji(maybe?)
Indeed.
Mihawk remains unscratched so far, it's true. But it's true that Eneru could easily beat Mihawk too. Remember: metals conduct electricty, so Eneru would easily fuse with Mihawk's sword and then stab him. No way a sword user could beat Eneru. It's not a matter of who's stronger, but who has advantage against who. Eneru could beat Mihawk. Luffy beat Eneru, but Mihawk would easily beat him.
DarkNtity-san, we have to remember that when Zoro fight Mihawk, it was during the Don Krieg arc. About 20 books before. He got much stronger and skilled now. Of course, he still can't beat Mihawk, but his chances have increased highly enough.
Ao Kiji seems to be the strongest so far. Heck, he's the strongest warrior of the Marine. Stronger than Smoker (who maybe could beat Mihawk too; swords can't hit smoke) and any Marine dude we've seen so far. Looks like he'll be the next villain though. Anyways, he's not the boss of the Shichibukai lol He's an admiral of the Marine, the Shichibukai is formed by pirates chosen by the Marine.
About Mihawk being buddies with Shanks, we see this clearly in book 11 after Luffy gets his 30 milion beli first bounty. Even though I still believe there may be stronger people than them.
White Beard was the strongest. He's still strong, yes. But he's old now, so there may be stronger people than him. Shanks, maybe. We don't know yet.
However, I'd like to make a side note here. We're forgeting about the man moswt feared by the Marine right now: the revolutionary Dragon. For 10 years he has been searched, an no one knows his whereabouts yet. Who knows he's the strongest so far?
It's true the Marine fears Shanks' and White Beard's encounter because of their ideology. Besides, they fear their strength too. If not, they could easily send Ao Kiji to capture them, if he's really up to the most feared pirates in the Grand Line.
The Shichibukai is a Marine group. Their job is to policy the Grand Line- even though they don't do that really. They remains unarrested because of the tax they pay to the Marine. The Shichibukai is more like a way-to-call someone, since they do everything on their own and alone, as far as we've seen. Anyways, if the Marine called them for a job, I'm almost sure they would obey.
Well, summing up my post: we have yet to see who's the strongest. Saying is Mihawk, Shanks, White Beard or Ao Kiji is just making assumptions. We have to see their full power yet. But it remains true that Eneru's still the strongest so far. And saying again, he could easily beat Mihawk.
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-26, 11:25
So something Oda himself said is speculation? It would be nice if posts weren't skimmed through, I posted that a while ago.
True, the Bellamy vs Arlong is pure speculation, but how long and hard did Luffy have to fight to take down Arlong? And what did a single punch from Luffy do to Bellamy? (And Luffy hasn't gotten physically stronger, he's the same dude he was when he first met Coby. Just has mucho willpower and creativity)
Same thing with Croc vs Dorry and Brogy, he could slaugther them before they knew what hit them. Common sense, if you bring into play what each of those characters can do. This I tried to use as an example that the bounty system is flawed.
Whether you thwart a corrupt marine's plan, whether the marines need help from certain pirates, what a pirate does that the marines know about, whhat a pirate does that the marines don't know about, whether the marines consider you a threat because you're a good or bad pirate.
What do you mean to the marines, that's what decides the bounty sum you get.
im at school so i ll make it short. Luffy vs Arlong took longer than Luffy vs Bellamy so Arlong is natrually stronger...... BULL SHIT. People get stronger... u think Luffy remains the same strength as he was when he started out? I guess Buggy is stronger than Bellamy too, wait dont forget Morgan took more than one punch from luffy. Hell Alvida even got a hit on Luffy (tho it didnt hurt him) u also forget Coby manged to hit him and took more than one punch from Luffy. Brogy and Dorry's bounty are 100 yrs old, stronger ppl come out as time flows.
SHanks and MIhawk were sparring buddies.... ok so? Buggy was SHank's rookie partner before... does this make Buggy just as strong or stronger than Shanks? You continually forget the magical force called "time" and "training" This isnt an american cartoon where time stands still and batman is 30 yrs old for 45 yrs, then they make a new series to make him 20 yrs older.
remember time flows, ppl change.
about the country argument earlier: u ovbiously dont know the potential of each of these countries in war. Well ill have to explain that some other time.
DarkNtity
2004-01-26, 15:30
This was my original post. "Strongest character so far, personally I'd say Mihawk." See that's an opinion. An opinion I'm trying to prove with facts that we've seen and known.
This was the post that followed mine. "Darknitiy thnx for the info but Mihawk is not the strongest it is either Shanks or Whitebeard." That is also an opinion, but it's been treated as fact instead.
That's what started this whole thing that I've just grown tired of.
Ener being the strongest is the only point in your post that I disagree with, Vicious.
I know Mihawk really isn't the strongest , no character is. Ener is not the strongest character either. Crocodile could take him, but that's besides the point. Both have been whooped by Luffy, who can be whooped by character C, who can be whooped by character D, who can be whooped by character E, etc.
The strength of the characters in One Piece has a rock, paper, sciccors concept. (damn, I forgotten how to spell it.) No one character can choose bazooka in this game.
But when people go around saying Shanks is the strongest and completly neglect Mihawk. Then i'll come and put both characters under the right light. I've already said WhiteBeard is the strongest since it's been said in the manga, in my second post. That alone should tell anyone reading this thread that I don't believe Mihawk is the strongest character in the OP world. But telling me Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, nah, I won't buy that till Oda says so or someone is actually able to backup their claim.
"im at school so i ll make it short. Luffy vs Arlong took longer than Luffy vs Bellamy so Arlong is natrually stronger...... BULL SHIT. People get stronger... u think Luffy remains the same strength as he was when he started out? I guess Buggy is stronger than Bellamy too, wait dont forget Morgan took more than one punch from luffy. Hell Alvida even got a hit on Luffy (tho it didnt hurt him) u also forget Coby manged to hit him and took more than one punch from Luffy. Brogy and Dorry's bounty are 100 yrs old, stronger ppl come out as time flows."
No, Zoro, No, Zoro, Bad, Bad, Bad, Zoro. Luffy hasn't become stronger. Not an ounce. Luffy is all about creativity with his Akuma no mi powers and his willpower. That's it!
Zoro on the other hand has become physically stronger. Both of these points have been shown.
That whole post was to illustrate the bounty system being flawed. Whether you believe Arlong is stronger than Bellamy is purely opinion. I believe he is, you don't. But the juicy part was the last section of your reponse. Didn't you say that because RockStar is worth 94 million belli, his boss would be worth more and thus that proves how strong he is, right?? But now it seems you're agreeing with me that Crocodile could kill the Giants easily even though he's worth less than them. Time flowing or not, you said the greater the reward, the stronger the character, right?
Contradiction is so much fun.
"SHanks and MIhawk were sparring buddies.... ok so? Buggy was SHank's rookie partner before... does this make Buggy just as strong or stronger than Shanks? You continually forget the magical force called "time" and "training" This isnt an american cartoon where time stands still and batman is 30 yrs old for 45 yrs, then they make a new series to make him 20 yrs older.
remember time flows, ppl change.
about the country argument earlier: u ovbiously dont know the potential of each of these countries in war. Well ill have to explain that some other time."
Oda says they are sparring buddies/rivals means Goku/Uub, Ryu/Ken, Ban/Genji, Spike Spiegel/Vicious, Naruto/Sasuke. If you can't grasp that idea, good for you.
Telling me Buggy was Shank's rookie partner is equal to telling me Usopp is Luffy's pirate partner, so?
You know what time and training has done for Shanks and Mihawk? One has turned to booze and the other is the best Swordsman in the world, those are the only facts we know about them.
I really don't care about the country analogy but I lack a cyrstal ball to predict the future for any worse case scenarios for countries that are about to go to war. This includes any secret weapons of mass destruction, financial, or political pull they may have.
I've been blamed of only speculating when all I've been doing is proving my opinion with facts. It's so hard being the underdog. Peace, I'm out!
Nine Devil
2004-01-26, 15:55
Well here is a good fact.The dream of Zoro is to become the strongest swordsman and that is Mihawk now.Luffy's dream is the find the One Piece and become the pirate king aka the strongest of all.Well lets say both have achieved their dreams but Zoro is stronger than Luffy now cuz he defeated the strongest character?(Wasn't that a job for the main character?)
You are really baka if you say luffy didn't grow at all?!So what the hell how can he surpass others?Just by will power that really sounds childish.
Plus why didn't you answered or discussed about this?I said Yassop would own Mihawk cuz he is the best with Firearms and A sword is no match for a sword.
edit:Btw The bounty stops and get rejected whenever someone enters the Shichibukai,So crocodile is maybe a member for 10 years?You get the picture.
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-26, 20:21
Telling me Buggy was Shank's rookie partner is equal to telling me Usopp is Luffy's pirate partner, so?
.... i guess u dont know wat a "captain" and a "crew" is.... Plus both SHanks and Buggy was put at the SAME LEVEL. Grunts, janitors, cleaners. call it wat u will, but they were the same level. Luffy is the pirate captain, ussop is the pirate crew.
Oda says they are sparring buddies/rivals means Goku/Uub, Ryu/Ken, Ban/Genji, Spike Spiegel/Vicious, Naruto/Sasuke. If you can't grasp that idea, good for you.
they ARE??? I thought u said they WERE ? I dont know, they havent said anything about them being sparring buddies at all. You're using the data books like its the manga. There is a reason why Oda put those info in those data books, cuz its not HARD proof. He can change it ANYTIME because its not part of the manga.
You know what time and training has done for Shanks and Mihawk? One has turned to booze and the other is the best Swordsman in the world, those are the only facts we know about them.
they both drink. Youve seen Shanks get drunk once, and now he must be an alchoholic. Was this info in ur data books as well?
No, Zoro, No, Zoro, Bad, Bad, Bad, Zoro. Luffy hasn't become stronger. Not an ounce. Luffy is all about creativity with his Akuma no mi powers and his willpower. That's it!
Zoro on the other hand has become physically stronger. Both of these points have been shown.
DONT TELL ME! You got this info from the data books as well. !!! HOW CAN YOU SAY LUFFY HASNT GOTTEN STRONGER AT ALL!! Are you telling me Buggy, Kuro, Don Krieg and Arlong are all near the same level of strength? Are you saying Crocodile wouldve struggled agaisnt Buggy in a fight? are you saying Luffy's bounty of 100,000,000 as the same value as his previous 30 mil?
That whole post was to illustrate the bounty system being flawed. Whether you believe Arlong is stronger than Bellamy is purely opinion. I believe he is, you don't. But the juicy part was the last section of your reponse. Didn't you say that because RockStar is worth 94 million belli, his boss would be worth more and thus that proves how strong he is, right?? But now it seems you're agreeing with me that Crocodile could kill the Giants easily even though he's worth less than them. Time flowing or not, you said the greater the reward, the stronger the character, right?
lol wait... did i say that crocodile can take these guys apart easily? Im sorry if i said that cuz i didnt mean to. Oh wait, that was just you putting words in my mouth.
I guess you dont understand time very well. How many characters in this anime are over 100 yrs old? Now tell me, when was the last time these giants did ANYTHING besides fight each other? Mr. 3 was only able to take out these giants because of the 100 yr fight they had. You keep forgetting this 100 yrs of time that passed.
This was my original post. "Strongest character so far, personally I'd say Mihawk." See that's an opinion. An opinion I'm trying to prove with facts that we've seen and known.
This was the post that followed mine. "Darknitiy thnx for the info but Mihawk is not the strongest it is either Shanks or Whitebeard." That is also an opinion, but it's been treated as fact instead.
Im sorry..... when was the last time you respected Nine Devil's opinion? He treats it like a fact, (as i do) cuz thats our opinion and we stand by it no matter WHAT you say. The whole time uve been treating ur opinion as facts too, uve only said "personally" to make it look like u cared about our opinions. The only facts u came up with so far are the databooks, we're using the manga. The manga is more hard proof than those data books. If Oda wanted it to be 100% pure fact, he wouldve put that in the manga somewhere.
I really don't care about the country analogy but I lack a cyrstal ball to predict the future for any worse case scenarios for countries that are about to go to war. This includes any secret weapons of mass destruction, financial, or political pull they may have.
Let me explain: France and Italy: Horrible army.
China, Russia, USA: Massive power houses
England: Powerful, but not as much as China, Russia, or USA.
I've been blamed of only speculating when all I've been doing is proving my opinion with facts. It's so hard being the underdog. Peace, I'm out!
So have we num nuts. Everytime we pull out a proof you tend to say "Tats it?? well blah blah, whine whine, bullshit bullshit" Besides the only PROOF you have is "Mihawk and Shanks fought against each other as rivals....." Thats the only proof u have, and its only been stated in a book tats subject to change. Besides, wat if Shanks's weakness has to do with swords? ur argument of a Triangle Power Balance can show that Shanks is generally stronger, but has a weakness to swords. so dont
whine about bein an underdog, u only have 1 proof.
Eneru is POwERFUL, but ony because his Fruit. Other than that, his mantra is great, but someone like Mihawk might be able to beat mantra. even if u can predict, if u cant respond... wat good is it? HOwever, on the sea level, Eneru's electric can rule the seas. Taking over land might be a bit more complicated for him. Luffy seems to his only weakness thus far.
DarkNtity
2004-01-26, 22:32
Vicious-san could you do me a favour? You seem like a poster with good insight in the OP world and intelligence. So could you browse my posts and tell me what untruths I've told? Aside possible scenarios and opinions, of course. Just so I can feel at ease. I'd be really grateful. :)
This was my original post. "Strongest character so far, personally I'd say Mihawk." See that's an opinion. An opinion I'm trying to prove with facts that we've seen and known.
This was the post that followed mine. "Darknitiy thnx for the info but Mihawk is not the strongest it is either Shanks or Whitebeard." That is also an opinion, but it's been treated as fact instead.
Im sorry..... when was the last time you respected Nine Devil's opinion? He treats it like a fact, (as i do) cuz thats our opinion and we stand by it no matter WHAT you say. The whole time uve been treating ur opinion as facts too, uve only said "personally" to make it look like u cared about our opinions. The only facts u came up with so far are the databooks, we're using the manga. The manga is more hard proof than those data books. If Oda wanted it to be 100% pure fact, he wouldve put that in the manga somewhere.
What the hell do you care if I respect Nine Devil's opinions or not. Vicious was mainly adressing me, so I was telling him why I was doing this. There's a reason why everything you said is in bold and in the second section.
I only said personally to make it look like I care about your opinions? Are you blind or something. That was my first post and unedited to boot. Check it! What is your problem anyway? Did I kill your rabbit? Piss on your bed? Poo on your lawn or something? I adress someone else and you barge in, I bring up something that involves Nine Devil and you take it to heart. Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder where Nine Devil is one personality and you're the other?
I've been treating my opinion as fact? Check my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc post and pull up when I said my opinion = fact. I said I'm proving my opinion based on facts. And that's what I've mostly been doing. In my second post I even admit WhiteBeard is the strongest since it's stated in the manga. Do you know only how to selectivly read or something?
Aside the hypothetical scenarios and opinions, what have I posted that isn't fact? Some of the things I posted are even in line with what Vicious and El-Diablo said. But, no sirre, only one proof from me. I'm being ganged up on and I'm whining about being the underdog? Don't misunderstand, I like being the underdog since I tend to find them cool.
Are/Were. Small grammatical mistake. But your grammatic skills seem to be flawless, Professor.
The Grand data file books are not hard proof. Oda-sama writes fan-fiction? :heh:
I needed proof that you were an OP rookie. Thanks. Where else would you find everything that's taken place in the manga to be documented as well as trivial things like the age of the characters, additional backstory to certain characters and the men's quarters on the Going Merry having an emergency quarters to the women's cabin.
And you actually resorted to personally insulting me. :hmm: ....well a desperate person has got to do what they can to win an argument, right?
And I'm also not going to bother with you anymore as well. Like you said "He treats it like a fact, (as i do) cuz thats our opinion and we stand by it no matter WHAT you say. Oh, you should have posted that a long time ago, at least then I wouldn't feel like I've been conversing with a bunch .... nevermind that. To put this in a more civil way, "Never argue with......" No that's not it either.
I got it. It's like trying to convince KKK members that negros aren't inferior human beings when they have already made their minds up.
I ban myself from this thread till Vicious takes on my request.
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-26, 23:37
What the hell do you care if I respect Nine Devil's opinions or not. Vicious was mainly adressing me, so I was telling him why I was doing this. There's a reason why everything you said is in bold and in the second section.
I only said personally to make it look like I care about your opinions? Are you blind or something. That was my first post and unedited to boot. Check it! What is your problem anyway? Did I kill your rabbit? Piss on your bed? Poo on your lawn or something? I adress someone else and you barge in, I bring up something that involves Nine Devil and you take it to heart. Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder where Nine Devil is one personality and you're the other?
What do i care? Let me see, Nine Devil and i have had lots of discussions on this forum and on other forums as well. He was amongst the frst to join in this rather empty forum and made it better. YOU disrespecting someone i respect is something i care about. Its like, if i spat on ur friend, ud probably sock me. If you quote me and respond to me, thats called a reply... u dont quote me and say "yea vicious this is my opinion" You also forget Nine Devil's and my opinions are almost the same, so u call his opinion shit, wat do u think ure gonna say if i told u mine. hmmm let see.....
I've been treating my opinion as fact? Check my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc post and pull up when I said my opinion = fact. I said I'm proving my opinion based on facts. And that's what I've mostly been doing. In my second post I even admit WhiteBeard is the strongest since it's stated in the manga. Do you know only how to selectivly read or something?
Aside the hypothetical scenarios and opinions, what have I posted that isn't fact? Some of the things I posted are even in line with what Vicious and El-Diablo said. But, no sirre, only one proof from me. I'm being ganged up on and I'm whining about being the underdog? Don't misunderstand, I like being the underdog since I tend to find them cool.
you cant "proove" an opinion.... then it becomes a fact. Your support for your argument that Shanks is nothing higher than Mihawk is that "They were sparring buddies" Thats why im saying ure treating ur opinions as fact. You also have to notice none of us actually said "ITS A FACT! ITS IN THE MANGA!" We're not going to say "Well he may be the strongest because of this this" We're just going to say "Well he IS the strongest because of this this." Ive never seen a debate where ppl say "well... maybe" Thats weak debating.
Are/Were. Small grammatical mistake. But your grammatic skills seem to be flawless, Professor.
that wasnt an attack on ur grammar. I dont care about grammar, as u can tell. I personally dont choose to use proper grammar on forums or IMs. Besides most ppl here arent from the US. I said "Are/were" to point out WERE is a past tense.... and pointing to u my "time" argument.
The Grand data file books are not hard proof. Oda-sama writes fan-fiction? :heh:
I needed proof that you were an OP rookie. Thanks. Where else would you find everything that's taken place in the manga to be documented as well as trivial things like the age of the characters, additional backstory to certain characters and the men's quarters on the Going Merry having an emergency quarters to the women's cabin.
uve noticed that none of these facts are very important to the manga/anime. They can change anytime. The age are set sure, but who is to say the Going Merry will look the same all the time? We can end up seeing the going merry blasted in half and rebuild. Or you may notice that the inside looks a bit different starting on a certain chapter. In the end, these information are not important in the manga, and watever info doesnt come out in the manga will not effect the story so much....if at all.
And you actually resorted to personally insulting me. :hmm: ....well a desperate person has got to do what they can to win an argument, right?
im sorry u actually found "num nuts" offensive? I guess uve never been into high school. Its just regular talking, be glad i dont call u a fscking cock sucking whore slapper... (corny) like some of my friends do. Its all in good humour, im sure if u have friends (im sure u do) you would know this. Besides its not like u havent disrespected anyone in here.
And I'm also not going to bother with you anymore as well. Like you said "He treats it like a fact, (as i do) cuz thats our opinion and we stand by it no matter WHAT you say. Oh, you should have posted that a long time ago, at least then I wouldn't feel like I've been conversing with a bunch .... nevermind that. To put this in a more civil way, "Never argue with......" No that's not it either.
I got it. It's like trying to convince KKK members that negros aren't inferior human beings when they have already made their minds up.
im sorry... so i guess im a nazi for my opinions with MY facts while ure the good black man being prosecuted because i said i like my opinion better than urs. In the end, u seem to lack debating skill, not in showing proofs and supports, but in respect.
heres another good one! Blacks are not inferior, thats a FACT. Your comparing ur opinion to blacks are not inferior and our opinion to the KKK's opinion... wat does that tell u.... hmmm let see oh yea! u must being saying ure the person who is right and we're the assholes who hang ppl like u who know better! So basically ure saying we're evil ppl lynching you for ur FACTS, and we dont like these FACTS.
I ban myself from this thread till Vicious takes on my request.
thats just another proof of poor debate skill. I go and prove u wrong, or present my opinion that seems plausible and u run out saying "they're the kkk, i dont like talking to them im gonna run" its also an invitation for Vicious to call on you so u'll feel better about urself. heh.
the ppl at the KF thread also had this same debate. By the way you post, im guessing ur from that forum? I went there posted my opinion with support of Shank's strength being on par with White Beard. I got responses that said "Why are you saying this so strongly? We have opinions too you know" I responded with "its called a debate, im SUPPOSED to make it seem like im pushing my opinions on to you, then ur supposed to push ur opinions on to me. If u cant handle that, dont post" Some of the lesser pussies responded with their opinions without talking about pooing on ppl's lawns. We had the occasional "numnut" "dimshit" etc etc. Then the pussies returned with bunch of flames. One on my side and one on his side. Our debate crumbled because ppl like you seem to not take in these things too well.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=2634
final scene prediction. Why dont u make a prediction then?
OK, I'll attend your wish, DarkNtity-san. But I won't quote all your posts, there are too many of them :D
First, I'd like to say that the Special Books are and should be taken as facts. Everything that's written onto them is a fact, and nobody can change this.
Like I said before, saying Mihawk's the strongest is wrong. Of course, you have your opinion. I have mine too. Like you said, it's stated that Shanks' was Mihawk's buddy, and they fought before. Even though Mihawk remains unscratched; White Beard, Ao Kiji, Shanks (despite his arm he lost saving Luffy), Bartholomew Bear, Donquixote Lofulamingo and even Ace remain unscratched so far (even though Ace wouldn't be the strongest, of course). Even though it was never stated they were true rivals. Mihawk seems just a friend of Shanks who eventually fought him back then. Again, I have to say: remember, when he fought Zoro, he was much weaker than today. Zoro has increased his strength extremely. We can't tell about Mihawk's strength just because he easily beat a weak Zoro back then and he travels alone (Ace does the same, and I bet the other members of the Shichibukai do the same). The only fact we have is that his strength may be at the same level or even higher than Shanks'. THough we don't know Shanks' strength yet.
All character in One Piece has its advantages/disadvantages. I only disagree at you saying Crocodile could beat Eneru. Eneru's not that stupid, you know. He would find a way to wet Crocodile, and then hit Croc with a huge thunderbolt. Water + lighting = Crocodile's done.
I disagree with one point in your posts: that Luffy hasn't become stronger. Of course he has. Learning and getting your techniques better, raising your Fruit's power to its maximum, isn't becoming stronger? Of course it is. Luffy couldn't fight the same way he does now like he did when he fought Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong. Even though, the enemy which gave the hardest time to Luffy so far was Croc. By the simple fact Luffy had to think of a strategy to beat him; he had a high advantge against Eneru, so he beat him "easier". Luffy has grown his mind power and become more apt to making strategies. He has also improved his Fruit powers, like I said before. Thus, he become stronger. People who ate Devil Fruits don't have the necessity of becoming physsicaly stronger. For what? They have an awesome Fruit power, why would they want to have physical power? They have to train their Fruit powers, that's it.
Tell me, is there anyone who could beat the majority of the people with Devil Fruit's power that we've seen? No, unless they use a Sea Stone. So far, the strongest fruit is the Thunder Fruit, thus Eneru's the one who has the strongest powers; personally, I'd say he's the strongest so far. He could beat Croc (using water), Smoker, Buggy, Alvida, Mihawk- anyone but Luffy and Ace. I say that because we have yet to see Shanks' and all Shichibukai member's strength.
Even though, even if White Beard's old, he still kicks major ass. He was the only man as strong as Gold Roger back then. Ao Kiji too. Being the Marine's strongest warrior isn't an easy task. Heck, it's the Marine. They rule the world, there's billions and trillions of Marine soldies, admirals, generals- whatever. And of these trillions, Ao Kiji is the number #1.
What about Dragon? I like to think he'll be the last big villain of the series. He's a revolutionary- even if his greatest power remains in his mind, he apparently has a Devil Fruit power too. A power that remains unknown. But I like to think he'll kick some ass later.
Furthermore, I'd like to say I'm not siding with anyone here. I say that Eneru is the strongest so far; and the strongest character is Shanks, White Beard, Mihawk or any unknow character. I'm just telling what's right and what's wrong. And assuming Mihawk is the strongest, Shanks is the strongest and even White Beard is the strongest is wrong after all. We have yet to see their full strength, we have yet to see other characters. But so far, the strongest is Eneru. Because he has the most powerful Fruit powers so far, and because; by the big villains hierarchy in Shonen manga, the next villain is always stronger than the villain before :D
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-27, 00:16
OK, I'll attend your wish, DarkNtity-san. But I won't quote all your posts, there are too many of them :D
First, I'd like to say that the Special Books are and should be taken as facts. Everything that's written onto them is a fact, and nobody can change this.
Like I said before, saying Mihawk's the strongest is wrong. Of course, you have your opinion. I have mine too. Like you said, it's stated that Shanks' was Mihawk's buddy, and they fought before. Even though Mihawk remains unscratched; White Beard, Ao Kiji, Shanks (despite his arm he lost saving Luffy), Bartholomew Bear, Donquixote Lofulamingo and even Ace remain unscratched so far (even though Ace wouldn't be the strongest, of course). Even though it was never stated they were true rivals. Mihawk seems just a friend of Shanks who eventually fought him back then. Again, I have to say: remember, when he fought Zoro, he was much weaker than today. Zoro has increased his strength extremely. We can't tell about Mihawk's strength just because he easily beat a weak Zoro back then and he travels alone (Ace does the same, and I bet the other members of the Shichibukai do the same). The only fact we have is that his strength may be at the same level or even higher than Shanks'. THough we don't know Shanks' strength yet.
All character in One Piece has its advantages/disadvantages. I only disagree at you saying Crocodile could beat Eneru. Eneru's not that stupid, you know. He would find a way to wet Crocodile, and then hit Croc with a huge thunderbolt. Water + lighting = Crocodile's done.
I disagree with one point in your posts: that Luffy hasn't become stronger. Of course he has. Learning and getting your techniques better, raising your Fruit's power to its maximum, isn't becoming stronger? Of course it is. Luffy couldn't fight the same way he does now like he did when he fought Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong. Even though, the enemy which gave the hardest time to Luffy so far was Croc. By the simple fact Luffy had to think of a strategy to beat him; he had a high advantge against Eneru, so he beat him "easier". Luffy has grown his mind power and become more apt to making strategies. He has also improved his Fruit powers, like I said before. Thus, he become stronger. People who ate Devil Fruits don't have the necessity of becoming physsicaly stronger. For what? They have an awesome Fruit power, why would they want to have physical power? They have to train their Fruit powers, that's it.
Tell me, is there anyone who could beat the majority of the people with Devil Fruit's power that we've seen? No, unless they use a Sea Stone. So far, the strongest fruit is the Thunder Fruit, thus Eneru's the one who has the strongest powers; personally, I'd say he's the strongest so far. He could beat Croc (using water), Smoker, Buggy, Alvida, Mihawk- anyone but Luffy and Ace. I say that because we have yet to see Shanks' and all Shichibukai member's strength.
Even though, even if White Beard's old, he still kicks major ass. He was the only man as strong as Gold Roger back then. Ao Kiji too. Being the Marine's strongest warrior isn't an easy task. Heck, it's the Marine. They rule the world, there's billions and trillions of Marine soldies, admirals, generals- whatever. And of these trillions, Ao Kiji is the number #1.
What about Dragon? I like to think he'll be the last big villain of the series. He's a revolutionary- even if his greatest power remains in his mind, he apparently has a Devil Fruit power too. A power that remains unknown. But I like to think he'll kick some ass later.
Furthermore, I'd like to say I'm not siding with anyone here. I say that Eneru is the strongest so far; and the strongest character is Shanks, White Beard, Mihawk or any unknow character. I'm just telling what's right and what's wrong. And assuming Mihawk is the strongest, Shanks is the strongest and even White Beard is the strongest is wrong after all. We have yet to see their full strength, we have yet to see other characters. But so far, the strongest is Eneru. Because he has the most powerful Fruit powers so far, and because; by the big villains hierarchy in Shonen manga, the next villain is always stronger than the villain before :D
frst of all i have to apologize about my posts. I noticed i was a bit more offensive than i normally am (even tho im still pretty arrogant). But u guys are gonna have to deal with it for about a month or so. Be glad i dont lash out and start searching for ur ip addresses.(although i dont know how lol) Why do u have to deal with it? LOL im prone to be more sensitive for awhile.... i had my first face off with death. A close friend of mine died on friday.... so expect a bit of sensitivity from me for a while. Just letting you know.
About eneru vs croc. You forgot an IMPORTANT fact Vicious. Lighting melts sand to glass. Yup, the heat of lighting is like 4 times hotter than the center of the sun and it will melt sand. Sand melts, hardens in like 3 seconds to become glass... and we know glass is flexible.
frst of all i have to apologize about my posts. I noticed i was a bit more offensive than i normally am (even tho im still pretty arrogant). But u guys are gonna have to deal with it for about a month or so. Be glad i dont lash out and start searching for ur ip addresses.(although i dont know how lol) Why do u have to deal with it? LOL im prone to be more sensitive for awhile.... i had my first face off with death. A close friend of mine died on friday.... so expect a bit of sensitivity from me for a while. Just letting you know.
It must hurt really hard, to lose some near friend :(
I- thanks god- haven't lose anyone near me so far. But I know the pain must be really hard. Even though I hope you get better soon. But life goes on! :D
About eneru vs croc. You forgot an IMPORTANT fact Vicious. Lighting melts sand to glass. Yup, the heat of lighting is like 4 times hotter than the center of the sun and it will melt sand. Sand melts, hardens in like 3 seconds to become glass... and we know glass is flexible.
Back to the topic:
That supports my argument even better. Other proof that tell us Eneru would beat Croc. Even if glass is flexible, Croc wouldn't be able to move himself if he was turned into glass. We know the sand solidifies, so there :D
Mr. Bushido
2004-01-27, 00:32
It must hurt really hard, to lose some near friend :(
I- thanks god- haven't lose anyone near me so far. But I know the pain must be really hard. Even though I hope you get better soon. But life goes on! :D
Back to the topic:
That supports my argument even better. Other proof that tell us Eneru would beat Croc. Even if glass is flexible, Croc wouldn't be able to move himself if he was turned into glass. We know the sand solidifies, so there :D
yup yup.. glass is bad to work with in a fight. (unless u plan to cut him)
i wonder if there is a magnet fruit. So u can absorb Eneru's lighting and just make urself more powerful. Rock also is a pretty good insulator.
When is the main character not the strongest?
Luffy wins by default.
i am of the opinion an 'unknown' is the strongest. However, the one with the most advantages was definitely Eneru, however, Luffy had a huge advantage against him.
For overall strength that i've seen, i'd either tack that label to Mihawk or Eneru. Both beat people that were thought to be quite tough with little to no effort. Although it's shown that Luffy is pretty dam strong as well, he has beaten all the major powers.
as for people who's strength i haven't seen, I'd probably go with Whitebeard for the time being, until i see something stating otherwise. One doesn't earn the title of 'world's most powerful pirate' for being weak.
DarkNtity
2004-01-27, 06:34
Hey, my crocodile comment was hypothetical, you weren't supposed to go into that. :p
Anyway:
Like I said before, saying Mihawk's the strongest is wrong. Of course, you have your opinion. I have mine too. Like you said, it's stated that Shanks' was Mihawk's buddy, and they fought before. Even though Mihawk remains unscratched; White Beard, Ao Kiji, Shanks (despite his arm he lost saving Luffy), Bartholomew Bear, Donquixote Lofulamingo and even Ace remain unscratched so far (even though Ace wouldn't be the strongest, of course). Even though it was never stated they were true rivals. Mihawk seems just a friend of Shanks who eventually fought him back then. Again, I have to say: remember, when he fought Zoro, he was much weaker than today. Zoro has increased his strength extremely. We can't tell about Mihawk's strength just because he easily beat a weak Zoro back then and he travels alone (Ace does the same, and I bet the other members of the Shichibukai do the same). The only fact we have is that his strength may be at the same level or even higher than Shanks'. THough we don't know Shanks' strength yet.
I know Mihawk really isn't the strongest , no character is. Ener is not the strongest character either. Crocodile could take him, but that's besides the point (It's debatetable, just don't debate me on it). Both have been whooped by Luffy, who can be whooped by character C, who can be whooped by character D, who can be whooped by character E, etc.
The strength of the characters in One Piece has a rock, paper, sciccors concept. (damn, I forgotten how to spell it.) No one character can choose bazooka in this game.
But when people go around saying Shanks is the strongest and completly neglect Mihawk. Then i'll come and put both characters under the right light. I've already said WhiteBeard is the strongest since it's been said in the manga, in my second post.(A fact no one but Oda can dispute) That alone should tell anyone reading this thread that I don't believe Mihawk is the strongest character in the OP world. But telling me Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, nah, I won't buy that till Oda says so or someone is actually able to backup their claim.
True, but them travelling alone on the GrandLine is a great symbollic message.
I disagree with one point in your posts: that Luffy hasn't become stronger. Of course he has. Learning and getting your techniques better, raising your Fruit's power to its maximum, isn't becoming stronger? Of course it is. Luffy couldn't fight the same way he does now like he did when he fought Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong. Even though, the enemy which gave the hardest time to Luffy so far was Croc. By the simple fact Luffy had to think of a strategy to beat him; he had a high advantge against Eneru, so he beat him "easier". Luffy has grown his mind power and become more apt to making strategies. He has also improved his Fruit powers, like I said before. Thus, he become stronger. People who ate Devil Fruits don't have the necessity of becoming physsicaly stronger. For what? They have an awesome Fruit power, why would they want to have physical power? They have to train their Fruit powers, that's it.
(And Luffy hasn't gotten physically stronger, he's the same dude he was when he first met Coby. Just has mucho willpower and creativity)
Luffy hasn't become stronger. Not an ounce. Luffy is all about creativity with his Akuma no mi powers and his willpower. That's it!
Zoro on the other hand has become physically stronger. Both of these points have been shown.
How can you disagree when what I said is basically the same as yours. The context in which Luffy's strength was being presented to me before my explanation was that he gets stronger ala Saiyans going through Super Saiyan status. (Thus Luffy's opponents have different physical strength, so he has being getting physically stronger to be able to beat them.)
A better way to word it would be, Luffy hasn't gotten stronger but rather evolved.
You fulfilling my request has calmed my mind. Thanks a whole bunch for the effort.
Nine Devil
2004-01-27, 08:56
Well thnx Zoro-san and sorry for the lost of your good friend.:( But life goes on.
Darknity-san thats the most stupid reply you ever made on this forum.Saiyans don't get stronger?You nuts goku's power at the start of dbz is 800 at the end 550.000.000 wow he didn't get stronger :twitch:
I agree that whitebeard is the strongest if the manga states it. I don't like people that continue to argue when you have the facts right there in their face. Not to bring Dbz up or anything but there is this dumb fuck in a Dbz forum and the fag is trying to argue with me. He posts a thread saying who is the legendary super saiyan so I write brolly is and this fag is arguing how Brolly isn't even close to being the super saiyan but doesn't the movie say brolly is the legendary` didn't the author of Dbz Akira Toriyama make that movie, get my point. Whitebeard is the strongest whether I agree or anybody agrees that he isn't it says it in the manga that Oda the author of One Piece made.
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-15, 20:23
I agree that whitebeard is the strongest if the manga states it. I don't like people that continue to argue when you have the facts right there in their face. Not to bring Dbz up or anything but there is this dumb fuck in a Dbz forum and the fag is trying to argue with me. He posts a thread saying who is the legendary super saiyan so I write brolly is and this fag is arguing how Brolly isn't even close to being the super saiyan but doesn't the movie say brolly is the legendary` didn't the author of Dbz Akira Toriyama make that movie, get my point. Whitebeard is the strongest whether I agree or anybody agrees that he isn't it says it in the manga that Oda the author of One Piece made.
he also said Don Kreig was the strongest in East Blue.. .than they said Arlong is the strongest.... that was only like 3-4 episodes later too.
I think what they meant was Don controlling 50fleets or so of pirates. That was why krieg and his crew as a whole was consider a powerful group of pirate. As for Arlong, he had a higher bounty on him b/c he was a servant of the Shi. So, thinking that 30 merman vs 50fleets each with at least 100 men then yea Kreig pirate is stronger. Too bad I didn't read the manga for this part. Maybe V would be able to point out that the anime had made a mistake or something.
Zoro is the strongest -.- :p :D -.-
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-16, 00:25
I think what they meant was Don controlling 50fleets or so of pirates. That was why krieg and his crew as a whole was consider a powerful group of pirate. As for Arlong, he had a higher bounty on him b/c he was a servant of the Shi. So, thinking that 30 merman vs 50fleets each with at least 100 men then yea Kreig pirate is stronger. Too bad I didn't read the manga for this part. Maybe V would be able to point out that the anime had made a mistake or something.
ure forgetting the fact that the mermen can all just jump in the water and swim faster than ships. hammer + merman underwater = Krieg's ships with holes in them = 50 sunken ships = water battle where mermen rules. you cant say they're powerful just because they have more boats.
Lst2touchdasky
2004-02-16, 00:41
Wasnt Don krieg just claiming that hes the strongest man in east blue? it was more an arrogant opinion in his case. Also if arlong was the strongest in east blue before don krieg got his assed wooped by both the GL and luffy, then he was afterwords.
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-16, 00:45
Wasnt Don krieg just claiming that hes the strongest man in east blue? it was more an arrogant opinion in his case. Also if arlong was the strongest in east blue before don krieg got his assed wooped by both the GL and luffy, then he was afterwords.
don krieg was known as the strongest. arlong isnt a east blue pirate. He only got there 8 yrs ago.....
Lst2touchdasky
2004-02-16, 01:05
8 years is a long time! thats like half my life!
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-16, 01:55
8 years is a long time! thats like half my life!
considering Krieg has been terrorizing the east blue like 20 yrs.. 8 yrs is a new member. and they didnt really move from that one village.
When is the main character not the strongest?
Well...warning this is a spoiler for another anime/manga series which you may be reading/watching at the moment. So don't read if you dare to find out and get spoiled.
Hikaru of HikaruNoGo wasn't the strongest. He lost all his major matches twice. Although by strongest I refer to skill.
Zoro is the strongest
Sure why not. I'm getting tired of hearing "Shanks this" or "Mihawk that"
;)
Actually, if Zoro ever got himself a hold of a sea stone katana then he'd be almost invincible against devil fruit users. But it still wouldn't gaurentee him being the strongest.
I have no real opinion as to who is the strongest even though that's the topic but as to who isn't the strongest...
Anyway actually in my personal opinion I think Whitebeard isn't the strongest at all. I say he was the strongest, and that's about it. The guy's an antique now even though they say he's the strongest it's hard to believe that when you see the guy on life support or something.
Edit: wnkryo. Your wish shall come true.
;)
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 17:44
Well duh its anime Dranz-san he tied and lived trough a fight against Gold D. Roger.None of the pirates can do that now not even shanks i think.
Dranz the last paragraph needs spoiler tags ;)
Edit: :)
Well duh its anime Dranz-san he tied and lived trough a fight against Gold D. Roger.None of the pirates can do that now not even shanks i think.
he tied and lived
That's past tense. I'm pretty sure he's still strong now. But definitely not as strong as he once was.
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 18:05
That's past tense. I'm pretty sure he's still strong now. But definitely not as strong as he once was.
well i think its this way :D
Gold D. Roger(ultimate power ownage)>Vieuw Whitebeard survived nice(awesome power too but nothing compared Gold D. Roger)>Old age Whitebeard(still owns everybody just not Shanks)>All the other pirates.
well i think its this way :D
Gold D. Roger(ultimate power ownage)>Vieuw Whitebeard survived nice(awesome power too but nothing compared Gold D. Roger)>Old age Whitebeard(still owns everybody just not Shanks)>All the other pirates.
All other pirates except maybe just Shanks?!
C'mon, Nine-Devil you and me both know you can come up with a better equation then that.
;)
IMO
It's
Gold roger >= Whitebeard
Most Pirates < Old Whitebeard < Exceptional People (Shanks, Mihawk, Ao Koji, Chopper? (lol))
Sigh~~ with the spoilers.
Although, I do have a question. Is it me or Hawks, who is profoundly strong (based on the anime so for), seems to be intimidated by Shanks even when he only has one arm? How strong can some one be with 1 arm less....
Sigh~~ with the spoilers.
Although, I do have a question. Is it me or Hawks, who is profoundly strong (based on the anime so for), seems to be intimidated by Shanks even when he only has one arm? How strong can some one be with 1 arm less....
LOL, you shpuld've came into this thread earlier because the previous posts already are spoileriffic. You can thanks Dark and Zoro for that.
:)
Although, I do have a question. Is it me or Hawks, who is profoundly strong (based on the anime so for), seems to be intimidated by Shanks even when he only has one arm? How strong can some one be with 1 arm less....
Intimidation? I found it more along the lines of "Blah, it's not a challenge to fight someone with no arm and who's already hammered so bad."
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 18:13
All other pirates except maybe just Shanks?!
C'mon, Nine-Devil you and me both know you can come up with a better equation then that.
;)
IMO
It's
Gold roger >= Whitebeard
Most Pirates < Old Whitebeard < Exceptional People (Shanks, Mihawk, Ao Koji, Chopper? (lol))
Well i know im a bit wrong but you too.
Gold D. Roger>Whitebeard(definatly)---->We don't know why he survived maybe cuz Roger forgive him ;).
Btw Mihawk no way.Just because he owned Zoro badly doesn't make him equal to Shanks or others.I think Yassop is stronger than him.Yeah forgot Ao Koji(riding on a bycycle trough grandline thats woot :D ) offcourse the almighty chopper ;) :D
Intimidation? I found it more along the lines of "Blah, it's not a challenge to fight someone with no arm and who's already hammered so bad."
Read the manga ;)
Just because he owned Oro badly doesn't make him equal to Shanks or others
Wrong Anime there, buddy (Yeah I know you meant Zoro but I couldn't resist).
;)
Well I said Gold Roger is greater or equal to Whitebeard. Just like in computer programming.
Also from what I've seen Mihawk is damn strong and haven't seen any real weaknesses yet. So from what I've see it's not far-fetched for me to believe Mihawk can match an old timer. Of course we don't know what Whitebeard powers/strengths are yet though.
Read the manga
Well I haven't read all the manga. But I watched the Anime Version of that part. If the Anime version is exactly like the Manga version then it doesn't seem to me that Mihawk was scared at all.
Wrong Anime there, buddy (Yeah I know you meant Zoro but I couldn't resist).
;)
Well I said Gold Roger is greater or equal to Whitebeard. Just like in computer programming.
Also from what I've seen Mihawk is damn strong and haven't seen any real weaknesses yet. So from what I've see it's not far-fetched for me to believe Mihawk can match an old timer. Of course we don't know what Whitebeard powers/strengths are yet though.
Well I haven't read all the manga. But I watched the Anime Version of that part. If the Anime version is exactly like the Manga version then it doesn't seem to me that Mihawk was scared at all.
LoL, I actually thought he meant Orochimaru from Naruto :D.
Actually I thought Shanks looked like he could of handled Mihawk even with one arm, when Mihawk gave him Luffy's wanted poster.
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 18:30
In the manga its different
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/devilvicious-16.jpg
Wrong Anime there, buddy (Yeah I know you meant Zoro but I couldn't resist).
Yeah a reaction btw when did you edit that :D
He still doesn't look intimidated to me.
;)
"I have given up thinking about fighting the one armed man like you for a long time".....
So he is trying to say he was always scared of shanks so he never could of fought him, but now that he is one armed, he was thinking maby he could defeat Shanks?
Nine Devil-san, I have to say Dranz-san is definetely correct. I've read the last posts, and I'll give my opinion.
White Beard really isn't as strong as he used to be. Now, like Dranz-san said, he needs people to treat his health, otherwise he'll die. Almost all that he got left is his fearsome fame. Also, we can asume White Beard was equally strong to Gold Roger back then, by the simple fact Buggy (was it him? Don't remember) said that old gezeer White Beard was the only one who tied in a battle against Gold Roger. Anyways, I'd like to point out that I'm not saying White Beard is weaker than any pirate now- just that he's weaker than he was 20 years ago, obviously.
Now, we can't assume who's stronger now, like I said many times in this thread. We have candidates- Shanks, Mihawk, Bear, DoFlamingo, Major Blue Pheasant (Ao Kiji), White Beard, Jinbei, even Dragon. For the time, the strongest enemy seems to be DoFlamingo- at least his powers, which are almost unbeatable. Blue Pheasant seems ubberly strong too. Just by being the Marine's strongest member, and also understimating Gold Roger himself- when he said "... Monkey D. Luffy? Looks like the D. family is full of troublemakers."
Lol, no, Mihawk wasn't intimidated by Shanks. He just didn't want to fight him, maybe just because he didn't want to waste time with an "armless pirate". He really wasn't intimidated at all. At least he doesn't look like so.
Gold Roger was the most famous pirate ever. But who can say he was the strongest? Strength is different from fame. We have yet to see who will be the strongest character in One Piece.
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 18:36
well the ultimate proof
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/devilvicious-16.1.JPG
well the ultimate proof
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/devilvicious-16.1.JPG
LOL don't know how, but I knew you were going to do this...
Gold Roger was the most famous pirate ever. But who can say he was the strongest? Strength is different from fame. We have yet to see who will be the strongest character in One Piece.
He was also the richest pirate in the world. If I'm correct, you have to be pretty strong be able gain all that richs, and not only that, but be able to keep all the richs also.
Nine Devil
2004-02-17, 18:41
LOL don't know how, but I knew you were going to do this...
everything for defeating Dranz-san :p
edit:Gold D. Roger was en is still the strongest ever please don't touch that man and please don't use Null tanslation's its not as correct as kaizoku-ou is.
edit: Well no one said anything about that i say Yassop would own Mihawk's ass.
k2djspike
2004-02-18, 02:09
everything for defeating Dranz-san :p
edit:Gold D. Roger was en is still the strongest ever please don't touch that man and please don't use Null tanslation's its not as correct as kaizoku-ou is.
edit: Well no one said anything about that i say Yassop would own Mihawk's ass.
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maybe in real life a gun is better then a sword but this is a anime =)
not saying Yassop will lose or win... just saying you never know... thats a pretty big sword hehe bullet might not go thru it if he used it to block the bullet
oh yea i just went over the anime and watched it again =) remember right b4 zoro and mihawk fight that one guy shots him and he just bounced the bullet away
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oh yea i just went over the anime and watched it again =) remember right b4 zoro and mihawk fight that one guy shots him and he just bounced the bullet away
Well, then we have to say that was a nobody. So, Mihawk could easily bounce it off. However, if it was umm...Usopp's father shooting at Mihawk. That might change everything since Usopp's Father suppose to be quite a shooter.
Nine Devil
2004-02-18, 11:37
Well, then we have to say that was a nobody. So, Mihawk could easily bounce it off. However, if it was umm...Usopp's father shooting at Mihawk. That might change everything since Usopp's Father suppose to be quite a shooter.
True he is the best shooter alive.So he can shoot a bullet where Mihawk can't stop it with his sword. Bam dead.
Well, then we have to say that was a nobody. So, Mihawk could easily bounce it off. However, if it was umm...Usopp's father shooting at Mihawk. That might change everything since Usopp's Father suppose to be quite a shooter.
I don't think it would change much i mean a gun is a gun no matter how you shoot or who shoots, it remains the same no?
True he is the best shooter alive.So he can shoot a bullet where Mihawk can't stop it with his sword. Bam dead.
Even if by some way he would have that chance in a fight with Mihawk at the speed Mihawk moves it wouldn't count much, personally i think Mihawk would clean the floor with Yassop but who knows. :)
Also about WhiteBeard no one knows exactly why he has all that medical stuff on him and i do agree that he is weaker than 20 Years ago however if he wasn't such a badass he wouldn't have been introduced has the Strongest Man in the world and we would have seen is Bounty by now(the only ones they did not show was WhiteBeard, Shanks, Mihawk) and the marines wouldn't be all scared about him meeting Shanks. From all this i think we can say that both Shanks and WhiteBeard are the most feared and dangerous pirates we know(at least in the current point of the manga).
Also a random ideia but since Oda was an assistant to Kenshin maker Nobuhiro Watsuki perhaps he made WhiteBeard just like Shishio was, in that he can only fight to is fullest for a certain amount of time due to some injury or health problem.
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-19, 23:40
new forum style... assimilation is always annoying...lol
anyways sorry for all the spoilers in this thread, i noticed, and Dranz pointed out, i happened to be the biggest contributior of spoilers in this thread lol.
I don't think it would change much i mean a gun is a gun no matter how you shoot or who shoots, it remains the same no?
Remember that this is an anime. A good gunmen seem to be able to shoot "faster" Plus seeing the way Yossop fight, it seems that Yassop can devise a plan to fight mihawk. Im not saying he'll win tho.
Whitebeard may or may not be weakened, all we know is that he tied with Gold Rogers.
Mihawk does kinda look intimidated.... then again those lines can mean that he's mad. Oda did darken his face for a reason.
in the end, Zoro will be the strongest lol.
Nine Devil
2004-02-20, 07:35
Nope luffy, Zoro is just a wuss working under him(Real zoro forgive me :( )
I don't think it would change much i mean a gun is a gun no matter how you shoot or who shoots, it remains the same no?
Even if by some way he would have that chance in a fight with Mihawk at the speed Mihawk moves it wouldn't count much, personally i think Mihawk would clean the floor with Yassop but who knows. :)
Well, I agree that Mihawk would defeat Yassop since Mihawk is weapon is more destructive. However, it won't be easy.
A gun is a gun but what make it so dangerous would be the person using it. I mean a 3yr old kid holding a gun to shoot at an apple on someone head who is about 100 ft away. The chance of hitting is very low. A skilled grown up would have a very high chance of hitting. That just to compare the level between Yassop and Krieg pirate.
Btw, it seem like everyone in Shanks crews don't have devil power. Now that I would consider power.
DarkNtity
2004-02-20, 20:03
Darknity-san thats the most stupid reply you ever made on this forum.Saiyans don't get stronger?You nuts goku's power at the start of dbz is 800 at the end 550.000.000 wow he didn't get stronger
:thinker: Someday, you'll find out that certain issues are context sensitive. :heh:
LOL, you shpuld've came into this thread earlier because the previous posts already are spoileriffic. You can thanks Dark and Zoro for that.
:sad: An apology the distance of Fuscia Village to Raftel to all those who didn't want to see that info and read through all the grueling arguing that I contributed to. :sad:
:hmm: A word to the wise.
:nono: defend the suave, mysterious, gothic fellow who shall remain nameless. For putting the suave, mysterious, gothic fellow who shall remain nameless in a positive light will bring out the anti, :mad: suave, mysterious, gothic fellow who shall remain nameless brigade. This will result in :argue:. The :argue: will get :frustrated:, become :confused:, go :topicoff: and end with :fingers:
The suave, mysterious, gothic fellow shall and will not offer any theraputic :help: or amounts of belli as compensation if above scenario takes place again.
Most powerful character in OP?
Eiichiro Oda
Nine Devil
2004-02-20, 20:33
its ''his'' avatar.
Most powerful character in OP?
Eiichiro Oda
That's the best post in this thread.
No one can contradict you about that :D
Most powerful character in OP?
Eiichiro Oda
I have to agree with Vicious that one gives No Chance i was thinking in the lines of the ones who pay for one piece but that would be a "Crew" and not a "Character" well we might has well close the Thread :bow:
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-21, 00:27
er...
remember echiro oda from movie 3 special? his penalty kick was blocked by Coby... manga-ka often put themselves in the anime as comical characters... often weak or dumb /sarcasm
Sanji is the top martial artist in One PIece so far. Name some one that can beat him. WHo were the villains in movie 4 cause they may be the strongest did they fuck Luffy and the crew up at all.
Sanji is the top martial artist in One PIece so far. Name some one that can beat him. WHo were the villains in movie 4 cause they may be the strongest did they fuck Luffy and the crew up at all.
Luffy is one such opponent whom Sanji will not be able to defeat as none of Sanji's kicks are going to be effective.
As for movie four, there's a devil fruit powered villian (can't remember the name) who is impervious
to physical attacks. There's one scene in which Luffy had a close shave when the villians' righthand swordsman slithered up to Luffy.
Mr. Bushido
2004-02-22, 20:34
Sanji is the top martial artist in One PIece so far. Name some one that can beat him. WHo were the villains in movie 4 cause they may be the strongest did they fuck Luffy and the crew up at all.
Zoro can beat him :)
remember that kenjutsu is a martial arts.
I could name someone that could beat both Sanji and Zoro eneru or that electric dude in eps 140+
Mr. Bushido
2004-03-09, 11:37
I could name someone that could beat both Sanji and Zoro eneru or that electric dude in eps 140+
he does, so wat? he got lucky or something
Gold D rogers is the strongest. whose to say he really died? He's faking his death. Yes that's it...
Sanji couldn't beat that guy on his restuarant boat. What's his name.... his first rival after number 2.
sanji can't even beat his master. the peg leg guy.
Yiou mean Gin? He couldn't beat Gin because Sanji was already badly wounded before he fought Gin. He took several heavy BLOWS to the face, which isn't that easy to recover from. So his reflexes suffered from it which is why he got hit by Gin. And getting hit by Gin seems to be as tough as Luffy's punch. I mean, he destroyed Pearl with one hit.
Mr. Bushido
2004-03-09, 23:19
Yiou mean Gin? He couldn't beat Gin because Sanji was already badly wounded before he fought Gin. He took several heavy BLOWS to the face, which isn't that easy to recover from. So his reflexes suffered from it which is why he got hit by Gin. And getting hit by Gin seems to be as tough as Luffy's punch. I mean, he destroyed Pearl with one hit.
yup exactly. remember the entire Don Krieg's crew left Grand Line under 7 days, while Luffy's crew is still going. U can say crap about "because Don met Mihawk right away" but Luffy with only 5 ppl (later added Chopper than Robin) lasted quite awhile., even after an encounter with Crocodile, Ener, Smoker, a mini meeting with Black beard.
Yeah I mean Don Krieg stuck out like a sore thumb. With over 50 ships with him anyone of the three powers would go after them sooner or later. It just so happened that Mihawk was there and EXTREMELY bored too.
Even if Luffy met Mihawk as soon as they got to the GrandLine, I doubt he'd care about one tiny little ship. Luffy's ship doesn't look scary in the slightest bit. Mihaw would probably just be amused.
Well Don Krieg really had the worst luck ever, i mean meeting one of the Shichibukai(perhaps the strongest) 7 days after entering Grand Line and worst of all he was Bored so he wanted to kill some time, almost everyone would lose there.
If Luffy met Mihawk like Don Krieg did Zoro would fight him and Mihawk would have his fun like he did in Baratie
By the way we know there are 3 Main Powers in Grand Line, we also know 1 of them is Shichibukai and the other is the Marines, however what is the 3 one?
Nine Devil
2004-03-10, 10:51
euhm Shanks, Whitebeard mate they are number uno!
hmmm, but Shanks and WhiteBeard aren't even a team so they would have to be considered 2 powers, besides these 3 powers are the reason why Grand Line is called the Pirate Graveyard right? so how can someone that his a pirate and doesn't hunt or kill pirates without being provoked be amongst those powers?
Nine Devil
2004-03-10, 11:26
Shanks and Whitebeard kill mate, the first time we saw Shanks he didn't want to fight for a reason and stuff but later he killed them all.
I think the reason for Shank and Whitebeard not killing is when you that powerful you wouldn't even want to waste your time with small fry. Not going to prove anything or gain anything. See if someone that Shank consider to be on the same level then he would fight them. For ex., calling on Mihawk. I guess they have some pride in being a pirate. You steal you take but you don't overdo it.
Nine Devil you misunderstood my post, i said that they don't kill without being provoked but if they are provoked they kill without having problems :D
So i don't really see Shanks and WhiteBeard be the 3 Power.
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