Claymore - Manga Discussion Thread

[GundamZZ]

Claymore is the recent manga I read. It's Shounen Jump's answer to Berserk. In addition, it also has feel from PC game Diablo.

As usual, Europe of Dark Age is overrun by man hunting monsters. Some monsters are as large as skyscrapers. The only solution on the continent is to fight dark force with dark force. You get to see beautiful skinny blond young girls chopping monsters with big swords(claymore). Overall, it's one of the must read for sword action manga fans.

[sukreih]

I have only read Angel Densetsu by the same artist, I liked his pictures. Also heard Claymore is okay,should give it a try.

[NoSanninWa]

Claymore is the recent manga I read. It's Shounen Jump's answer to Berserk. In addition, it also has feel from PC game Diablo.

As usual, Europe of Dark Age is overrun by man hunting monsters. Some monsters are as large as skyscrapers. The only solution on the continent is to fight dark force with dark force. You get to see beautiful skinny blond young girls chopping monsters with big swords(claymore). Overall, it's one of the must read for sword action manga fans.
Sounds much more like Bastard, than Berserk. The difference is that in Bastard, while most humans may be miserably inadequate, there are a few who can kick monster ass in a big way.

[GundamZZ]

I have only read Angel Densetsu by the same artist, I liked his pictures. Also heard Claymore is okay,should give it a try.
In the beginning, the story seems ok. Lately, it is becoming more exciting. To fight the fallen comrads, the heroines are gathered in the northern town. The warrior number 8 and warrior number 9 seem to be more interesting later on.

Sounds much more like Bastard, than Berserk. The difference is that in Bastard, while most humans may be miserably inadequate, there are a few who can kick monster ass in a big way.
Hmm.. I don't think my description sound like Bastard, since Bastard is about apocalypse world. On the other hand, I may not give it enough description. In the world of Claymore, there are no GODS so far. Only two beings exist, humans and demons. Demons disguised as humans and lived among the humans. An mecenary group comes up an idea. They integrate demon flesh into their warriors. So, those warriors can search and kill real demons. All men warriors become demons after they release their demon power. So, the organization only create woman warriors. Those warriors have higher success rate to restrain their demon power. All of them have dark past, since it's easier for the organization to recruit warriors from orphan girls. Those girls become orphan because their families were whipped out by demons. It's how the story goes. There's high fantacy magic like Bastard and Record of Lodoss War. Every battle is fought in slash and hack way.

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[Xellos-_^]

Sounds much more like Bastard, than Berserk. The difference is that in Bastard, while most humans may be miserably inadequate, there are a few who can kick monster ass in a big way.

It is more Berserk then Bastard. Less fanservice (close to nil), darker storyline and very low lvl of magic.

[zorroc2001]

In the beginning, the story seems ok. Lately, it is becoming more exciting. To fight the fallen comrads, the heroines are gathered in the northern town. The warrior number 8 and warrior number 9 seem to be more interesting later on.

By chapter 57, with the exception of number 6, all the team leaders appear to died. However the story is getting more and more exciting.

[GundamZZ]

I read that part, too. So sad. There was no chance for Flora-chan(number 8) to come back.

I found the ranking rather amusing. Some lower rank silver eye witches may have stronger power.

Silver witches ranking for the current generation
1. Alicia(nickname: black)
2. Beth
3.Galatea(skill: hypnosis)
4.Ophelia
5.Raphelia(skill: stealth)
6.Melia(nickname:phantom, skill: running speed)
7.Eva
8.Flora(nickname:wind cutter, skill: sword weilding speed)
9.Jean
11.Undine(skill: strength)
13.Veronica
14.Cynthia
15.Denver(skill: recovery?)
22. Helen(skill:stretch arms?)
47. Claire(protagonist)

Silver witches ranking from the previous generation
1.Teresa(nickname:smile, skill:sense)
2.Priscilla(skill: stealth)
3.Irene(nickname: high speed sword, skill: sword weilding speed)
4.Sophia(nick name: arm power, skill: strength)
5.Noel(nickname: fast wind, skill: running speed)

The combat skills include:
1.Sense(detecting demon power)
2.Stealth(hiding demon power)
3.Running speed
4.Sword weilding skill
5.Strength
6.Recovery(regenerate body part)

Jean(number 9) has an unusual skill. She uses grinding attack. Before each attack, she winds her arms several times(ouch!don't do it at home). There might be more unusual skills out there.

[shaselai]

anyone here know more about the series? I read up to latest in manga... too bad its monthly only though. I think the manga is a bit high-paced. some chars introduced then die like next storyarc... At least Melia and Lucky are still alive. Lucky is actually trying to be stronger being trained by the enemy(?). I hope mangaka continues this manga for a long time

[Drytchnath]

Just started reading Claymore this month, got up to volume 3 and im loving it. This series has the potential to be one hell of a good anime as well.

[mohdgame]

Atlast , After a long searching for such manga has the same or smiliar story as berserk , That talks about Medival Europe. The happiness that filled my heart and soul , I already smell the enjoyment and the ink from its glorious pages! I already feel the excitment of turning every each page!

I enjoyed berserk till volume 31 , And i refuse to read it in chapters , I read it volume by volume. But berserk need 3 months for every volume. And my heart cannot wait that long!

I hope that you tell me if its downable via the internet , If its not i will have to go to buy it! ClayMore , I will get you even if your hidden inside the mountain inside the heat of hell! I shall win you!

I miss the nights when i had 3 volumes of berserk , Loads of coke and stuff. and i sit hours reading it with passionate and the joy of turning each page , And explore what hidden within its priceless pages.

Sorry i wrote too long! But I am already excited.

( I know , I might be little weird , But a nice guy when get to know of )

If any one knows where can i get. Please do not HESITATE contacting me via Email or messenger.

Mohdweb@hotmail.com

Thanks for the good news.

[mohdgame]

I was disappointment , Though its a good manga , But i liked the "Hero fantasy" manga's. A strong man with his friends and he protects them and stuff. Just like guts in berserk :)

[Drytchnath]

I was disappointment , Though its a good manga , But i liked the "Hero fantasy" manga's. A strong man with his friends and he protects them and stuff. Just like guts in berserk :)

Sorry to hear it didn't sit as well with you as it did with me and some of the other posters here. I never really thought of Claymore as a Berserk clone, but i did like the dark and at times bloody storyline so it does have a few similarities to Berserk-which I've only seen the anime. Clare is a likeable protagonist as well, which helps draw you in. I do find it a little odd that this is a shonen manga that has a strong, confident female lead. Is that unusual for stuff shown in Shonen Jump?
I don't generally read manga or even novels nowadays but I saw this while browsing Borders and it piqued my curiousity. So I mentioned it as a Christmas present and now I'm hooked. If you remotely enjoyed Berserk and like swordplay and man-eating demon slaying then Claymore might be just what you're looking for. Highly recomended.

[lommm]

is the tone of the manga anything like d. gray-man? because your description of humans and demons, plus demons disguised as humans and humans who merged with demons to become ultimate demon hunters sounds a lot like the premise of d. gray-man. only difference being the swords/medievil setting. i understand it's a lot more graphic (hence the berserk comparisons) but your description still sounds similar. oh well, i found some scans of the first 5 volumes so i will look through for myself.

[Bandersnatch]

I read the first volume awhile back, thought it was good but didn't get hooked. Guess I need to read more to develop the story more. Have read Angel Densetsu, hes come a long way with his art in Claymore.

[Drytchnath]

I read the first volume awhile back, thought it was good but didn't get hooked. Guess I need to read more to develop the story more. Have read Angel Densetsu, hes come a long way with his art in Claymore.

The 1st 2 volumes set things up and explains some important things about the workings of the world/setting in Claymore. Volume 3+ is were things start to get really interesting and 5 is a cliffhanger atm b/c the 6th volume isn't out till Feb. I think.
As for the D-Gray Man comparisons...I'ts not too similar. I've only seen the 1st ep. of the D-Gray Man anime, haven't read the manga. From the way they described the monsters in that, it seemed like they put souls of the dearly departed in machines that twisted and warped them into demons. I think the demon/Yoma slayers in Claymore actually have demon/Yoma organs and flesh transplanted into them physically at a young age in order to fight them(the demons).

[nadare]

Hm... D. Gray man and Claymore are entirely different. I view D. Gray Man as "light" action(not much angst). While I view Claymore as one of the "Darker" action(blood, head arms cut off, angst etc.).

While the first two volumes werent that interesting. You should wait till you read the third volume of the first "long" arc. Volume 4(half) - volume 5(half) is about Teressa.

[Aristophanes]

By chapter 57, with the exception of number 6, all the team leaders appear to died. However the story is getting more and more exciting.

Woah could you do me the courtesy of putting that in spoiler bars dude, i only have the first volume.

Edit by Mod: I'll add those tags and penalize the perpetrator. Everyone should use spoiler tags as a matter of courtesy especially when those chapters aren't released in English.

[Super Ska Master]

I can't stand the art and character design.

[ccardoso]

In volume 7...

When Claire parts ways from the young boy is that a final goodbye or a temporary one?

[Nightengale]

In volume 7...

When Claire parts ways from the young boy is that a final goodbye or a temporary one?


I'm not so sure how to clearly say it...

In Claire's view, she's pretty much made that time with Raki her final goodbye to him. She probably doesn't even think she could survive anymore. Anyhow, she didn't make any effort to find him after the whole thing's over though since it was probably her final goodbye.

The boy's still looking for her though.

[ccardoso]

Can I hope in

Seeing that guy trasformed in some kind of hybrid?
I know that male hybrids have been banned because they always ended up in failure, but it would be cool to see that boy saving her beloved Claire from a deadly situation! :D

[Nightengale]

Can I hope in

Seeing that guy trasformed in some kind of hybrid?
I know that male hybrids have been banned because they always ended up in failure, but it would be cool to see that boy saving her beloved Claire from a deadly situation! :D




OH YES YOU CAN!

Of course, the little bugger's still human, but considering the events that transpired on to him following his separation with Claire, I'm not going to be surprised at that possibility.

After all, vol.9/10 had him personally meeting one of the most powerful Awakened in the Claymore universe...on friendly terms. Of course, he doesn't know he's an Awakened. And that Awaken's lover (( also one )) seems mildly attached to him...



Hehehehehehe....

[ccardoso]

OH YES YOU CAN!

Of course, the little bugger's still human, but considering the events that transpired on to him following his separation with Claire, I'm not going to be surprised at that possibility.

After all, vol.9/10 had him personally meeting one of the most powerful Awakened in the Claymore universe...on friendly terms. Of course, he doesn't know he's an Awakened. And that Awaken's lover (( also one )) seems mildly attached to him...



Hehehehehehe....

Ah so the guy was shown after his separation from Claire?
I read the raws but I don't understand japanese so I only watched the panels and it was quite hard to understand the story. I only got that she was getting owned by the fourth claymore, then she got saved by another claymore (third?) and trained. Then she met again the fourth (awakened this time) claymore and Claire owned her. After that I lost track of the plot because the story is quite complex and I can't understand it by mere drawings, not to mention that most claymores look like each other so it's even more confusing! :D
Can you point me to a site with the summaries of each volume of claymore, especially volume 7,8,9,10 and 11?

Thanks

[masama]

Ah so the guy was shown after his separation from Claire?
I read the raws but I don't understand japanese so I only watched the panels and it was quite hard to understand the story. I only got that she was getting owned by the fourth claymore, then she got saved by another claymore (third?) and trained. Then she met again the fourth (awakened this time) claymore and Claire owned her. After that I lost track of the plot because the story is quite complex and I can't understand it by mere drawings, not to mention that most claymores look like each other so it's even more confusing! :D
Can you point me to a site with the summaries of each volume of claymore, especially volume 7,8,9,10 and 11?

Thanks

I guess I can try to give you a mini summary since I'm kind of bored atm.
Clare told Raki that they had to go separate way but Raki refused. She kissed him and promised him that she wouldn't die and they will meet again. During the fight with Ofelia, it first appeared that Clare lost her arm and fell to her death, but in actual fact it was her plan to run away from the crazy Ofelia. However Ofelia was far from being fooled and found Clare near the lake. She told Clare that it would have been more believable if she had only forsaken her severed arm. The reason why Clare didn't was because of the nature of the offensive type and she could only reattached her body parts, not regenerating them like Deneve, a defensive type.
anyway back to the story, Ofelia didn't give Clare a chance to reattach the right arm and completely destroyed it. Clare tried to regenerate her arm but no success, only to be caught up by Ofelia. At the moment before Ofelia delivered the finishing blow, she was interrupted by someone who wielded a great sword at lighting speed. Clare recognized her to be the person who we once believed to be dead back in vol4... Irene, the ex-claymore #3 responsible for the assassination of Teresa.
Back at Irene's hiding place, Clare introduced herself and Irene remembered her to be the little girl who was following Teresa at that time. She explained how she managed to hide from the organization by depressing her yoma power and lived in a secluded area. She decided to teach Clare the light speed sword technique.
On the other hand, we have Ofelia losing control of her yoma power and became awoken.
Days past Clare learned the basic of the light speed sword technique, though Irene mentioned that she made a mistake teaching her this technique because the key was to remain calm and composed, and she once believed Clare was suitable but in actual fact deep inside Clare was quite hot-tempered. Irene also mentioned that Clare was only capable of using this technique for 1 minute and its power and speed were only a tenth of hers. Irene then chopped off the remaining section of Clare's arm (surely she could have told her beforehand) and her own arm, and gave it to Clare as a farewell present. Clare at first declined the offer but was later agreed to borrow the arm for now. After Clare left, Irene was discovered by Rafaela, the current claymore #5, who was sent to assassinate her. Irene made a mistake from using the light speed sword technique which resulted her releasing traces of yoma power.
As Clare was making her way in the forest, she came across Ofelia. At this point Ofelia still didn't realised she had became the awoken but she knew she really wanted to eat some meat, preferably internal organs. The fight continued and Ofelia found it strange that Clare had improved in terms of speed and power.
This volume ended with Ofelia discovered she had became awoken and mentioned that her brother was killed by a single horned yoma (could be Priscilla, IIRC she was also single horned). This volume began with Clare having an upper hand over Ofelia. At some point she lost control of the sword and realized she had yet to fully control Irene’s arm. Ofelia noticed the arm’s issue and why Clare suddenly became more powerful after such short period of time. Ofelia teased Clare by transferring her only human parts to the tail and challenged Clare to reach her by destroying the rest of the yoma body. Clare accepted the challenge but Ofelia teased her further saying that Clare was stubborn and all she had to do attack the tail where the human part was. All these reminded Ofelia of her brother who died protecting her. At some point Ofelia encouraged Clare to carry on and she wondered to herself why she did it. Having destroyed the rest of the yoma body and reached Ofelia, Ofelia urged Clare to hurry up and kill her before she regenerated, and Clare did. (the dead Ofelia with her hair down is kind of cute imo).
At the organization, they are discussing how Clare had gone missing for 3 months. The bodies of the awoken(mission) and awoken Ofelia were found but they believed it would be impossible for a #47 to defeat them all on her own. However they mentioned how Clare was a special case mixed with Teresa’s remains, and they believed there were still unknown factors regarding #47.
Here we have Clare disguised herself as a normal swordman, by dressing like one and taking those pills that suppressed yoma power, whilst searching for Raki. At the inn, the inn keeper mentioned that there was a group of 4 claymores currently at town and Clare wondered if it could be an awoken they were after.
Next day, Clare continued her search for Raki, and this couple caught her attention by mentioning the name of the twin goddess statue - ‘Teresa and Clare’. The woman mentioned there was an injured guy she met who held great interest in the goddess Clare. Clare asked if they know about his whereabouts but unfortunately they didn’t. Clare mentioned how he was a very important person to her and she promised to meet again.
A severely wounded claymore arrived at town and requested for assistance from the organization. She died shortly after. Although Clare was trying to hide from the organization, she could not abandon her comrades. Clare declared herself claymore #47 and made her way to the ruin.
Some yoma ass whooping by Clare and we switched to 2 captured claymores being tortured by Daf and Riful, both awoken. Their aim was to force the claymores to become awoken and they succeeded with one. However she was found to be too weak so she got minced by Daf. :heh:
Clare arrived and she was greeted by a few yoma and eventually Daf. Clare was thought to be weak at first because of her low yoma power, but Riful was surprised that Clare was better than she thought. Clare used the light speed sword technique on Daf but she was shocked that it was ineffective. Again in the crucial moment a new claymore arrived, Galatea, claymore #3, who was given the mission to bring Clare back to the organization. Galatea easily overcame Daf since Daf was unable to hit her. Riful appeared and suggested to Daf that he should attack at full power. Daf did and finally managed to land a hit on Galatea. Riful explained what Galatea did was to match her yoma level with her components and as a result she was able to control them (it’s a lot more complicated than that but this is how it works in general). However this technique didn’t work when they attack at full power.
There’s quite a lot of information here so to simplify
- Clare used too much of her yoma power in order to recover, but recovered before awoken. Riful and Galatea were surprised.
- We found out that Riful was the first female claymore #1, the youngest to be #1 and the youngest to be awoken, who currently had control over the western territory.
- We also learned that Priscilla, the one who was responsible for Teresa death, was defeated by some man in the northern territory, and had amnesia. Also this man had fallen in love with Priscilla.
This volume ended with Clare declaring to kill Priscilla.Writing summary is actually a lot more fun and longer than I thought, I'll finish the rest of volumes later. (I bet a scanlated vol7 is gonna be released shortly I posted this... :heh: )

[ccardoso]

Thank you for the summaries masama, I liked them very much! :)

[masama]

From here on all I got them in chapters following from Vol8.
Riful was surprised to find out that Clare knew Priscilla.
Riful agreed to tell Clare Priscilla’s whereabouts if her sword managed to hurt her.
A raged Clare was stopped by Galatea before she turned awoken
Galatea mentioned they needed the power of #9 Jean who was currently held captured below to defeat Daf.
Clare left to save Jean, while Galatea released her yoma power to fight Daf.
Clare was shocked to find an awoken Jean who still retained her own human consciousness.
Jean asked Clare to kill her but Clare told her not to give up and recover.
Chapter ended.Jean had returned to her human form, and she vowed to follow Clare since she saved her life.
Clare and Jean returned to see a wounded Galatea.
Galatea came up with a plan, with Clare and Galatea keeping Daf occupied to buy time for Jean to prepare her technique (by twisting her arms 15 times).
Jean released her technique but it was blocked by Daf, though Daf lost his hand in the process.
Chapter ended with Clare and Jean prepared for another attack.Clare kept Daf at bay with high speed movement.
Jean twisted her arm 21 times.
Clare told Jean to believe her and Jean released the attack.
Riful was surprised how Clare managed to control her light speed sword technique without hitting Jean.
Chapter ended with Jean executed the technique.Jean went right through Daf’s throat and was about to deliver the finishing blow, but was stopped by Riful.
Riful released her power.
Riful mentioned that Jean, Galatea and Clare were not worth awakening yet, she decided to wait until they became stronger.
Since Clare did manage to hit Riful with the sword, Riful told her the man who defeated and fell in love with Priscilla was Easley, the ruler of the Northern territory.
Riful and Daf disappeared.
Galatea declared to bring Clare back to the organization as this was her mission in the first place. Jean defended Clare.
Galatea gave in and decided to report Clare and Jean were killed by the awakens.
A glimpse of current #1 Alicia, it was mentioned that she was the strongest claymore in history.
Chapter ended.Beginning of the northern campaign.
Jean continued to follow Clare to re-pay her, but Clare mentioned she already had. Clare used to think that the light speed sword technique was impossible to aim precisely because of the speed, but she was able to learn to do so using willpower in the last battle with Jean's help.
They were found by Rafaela.
Galatea’s lie about Clare and Jean was exposed.
Clare and Jean were given the option to atone for what they did by joining the campaign against multiple awakens in the north.
The man dressed in black mentioned that Raki was kidnapped by someone and sold to the north.
Now in the northern territory, Clare met some old comrades Deneve and Helen.
It was funny when Helen was trying to brag about her rank, only to be surprised when found out Jean was #9 :heh:
Another high rank claymore - #8 Flora
Chapter ended with the return of Miria, the leader of this operation.Miria explained why so many claymores (24!) gathered. There were multiple awakens acting together and a group of claymore with #7 as the leader was completely annihilated.
Another more important claymore was #11 Undine who used 2 claymores.
Flora showed off her skill to stop the arguing, she used high speed sword as well similar to Clares.
Basically they are separated into 5 groups of 4-5 members, with the top 5 ranked claymores being each group’s leader. So each group should be capable of taking on an awaken.
The old comrades met at night, Miria, Helen, Deneve and Clare. Since it’s for the ones whose had half-awoken so Clare also invited Jean. They were surprised to hear about how Jean managed to retain her human consciousness in an awoken state, and being able to survive after an encounter with Riful.
Miria mentioned the chances of winning this campaign is zero, since the awakens were led by Easley. She also mentioned that the organization sent them here in order to buy them time, knowing they have no chance of success.
Chapter ended with 3 awakens preparing to attack.The awakens were impressed that the claymores managed to remain calm after being ambushed, though there were claymores whose had no experience fighting awakens.
The awaken the Flora’s group fighting had similar ability to Galatea, to control the opponents movements by matching the yoma power.
Clare saved the day with the arm she got from Irene.
On the other hand, Jean was busy helping her group and got wounded.
So to summarise,
- #6 Miria’s group taking on the first awaken
- #8 Flora’s group taking on the turtle look-a-like
- #9 Jean’s group taking on the wasp
Chapter ended with #13 Veronica’s group (Helen) assisting Jean’s Group, and #11 Undine’s group (Deneve) assisting Flora’s group.Undine tried to take on the awaken on her own, but her yoma power backfired because the awaken was able to increase her yoma power without a change of appearance, and it was too late by the time she realised.
Deneve kicked Undine out of the way.
Back to the wasp like awaken, he appeared to be too strong for both Veronica and Jean’s group, most people have suffered damage one way or another. However it was actually a plan to distract him to allow Jean to build up her technique once again, that twisting arm thing. He got owned.
Chapter ended with Clare and Deneve taking on the turtle awaken.Clare showed off her high speed sword to disrupt the awaken’s ability to control yoma power.
Deneve showed off her high regeneration rate.
Undine gave Deneve a helping hand to decapitate the awaken’s head.
Even with only its head, he tried to raise two of the claymore’s yoma level so they became awoken, but he was minced by Clare and Flora.
Someone mentioned how Clare managed to chop into smaller pieces than Flora.
Miria also took out the other awaken.
Undine complained how most people here had no experience fighting awakens.
Flora replied since no one died, they all have the experience now.
Miria mentioned some other people were starting to realise that they have little chance of success in this campaign.
We get to see the true Undine.
Chapter ended with Flora challenging Clare for a duel.Flora asked Clare why was she not using full power, Clare said this was her full power, she was only borrowing power from her right arm during the last battle. Flora wanted to see the combined power of Clare.
Undine used to be weak and relied on a close friend. Her close friend died because of her incompetent, thus she decided to become as strong as possible so she could protect her comrades and they wouldn’t suffer what she had to go through. Her second claymore was of her deceased close friend. Undine was also constantly in the release state to show off her muscles to prove she was the strongest.
As for Deneve, her family was killed in front of her, vowed to kill yoma, saved by Helen when she was at her lowest… something quite cliché.
As for Clare and Flora’s duel, Clare had speed, but Flora had the edge in terms of power and precision.
Raki is back, apparently he was locked in the basement so he missed the yoma invasion. He met some girl who was quite fixated at him and another man… yup they are Easley and Priscilla.
Chapter ended.Not much in this chapter, Raki’s going to learn how to use the sword from Easley and Priscilla reminded him of Clare.
Easley’s sending a total of 27 awakens to assault the town claymores were guarding, with Ligardes taking the lead.
Miria realised the quality and quantity this time were different from before, she wondered how many could survived this battle.
Chapter ended.Clare and co were doing very well at first, Ligardes acknowledged their ability and decided to end the battle himself. He aimed primarily at the leaders of each group and took down Veronica, Undine, Jean and Flora in a flash.
Chaptered ended with a raged Clare, Helen, Deneve defending Miria against Ligardes.This time their opponent power was too much for them, Deneve was severely injured and grieving for unable to protect Undine. Ligardes was able to match Miria's speed and Clare was having trouble just to catch up with them.
Not matter how much they tried they were outmatched, in order to stop Ligardes from dealing the finishing blow something happened to Clare.
Chapter ended.Clare had awoken her leg.
It appeared that Ligardes is offensive type and tried to retrieve his arm, however Helen noticed his intention and got hold of his severed arm.
Clare continued to evolve different parts of her body.
Chapter ended with Ligardes in pieces.Clare mentioned she no longer could recover her body and asked Helen to kill her while she could halt the movements of her awoken arms and legs.
Jean stopped Helen and approached Clare. Jean was impaled severely since Clare now had no control over her awoken bodies. Jean asked Clare to match the yoma power level with her so she could help Clare to recover to the human state. Clare refused and said Jean should use her yoma power to recover her injuries. However since Jean was an offensive type she could not heal the massive wound she suffered in her stomach. She wanted to finally re-pay Clare for saving her.
Clare returned to normal with Jean’s dead. :(
Deneve picked up Undine’s sword and turned 2 sworded.
Miria mentioned she could only feel the yoma power of 6 comrades including her.
Chapter ended with the situation looking rather bleak.Miria mentioned this would be their final battle.
Switched back to the organization, something about Alicia still hadn’t reached 95%, Galatea complained about extra works due to missing 24 claymores, and more trash talk from the folks in the organization.
After training, Easley asked Raki to look for Priscilla. He found a naked Priscilla (woo fan service). Priscilla mentioned things were disappearing, and only 6 lights left.
More struggle from Clare and co.
Chapter ended with Priscilla saying all the lights had disappeared…That will do for me tonight, that should cover up til the end of the northern campaign. I'll finish the rest tomorrow.
Thank you for the summaries masama, I liked them very much! :)no problems at all. Besides I only read claymore once, wouldn't mind reading it again :).
I really like Claymore myself I do hope other people can enjoy it as much as I do.

[Nightengale]

Nice summary. Most of the later chapters in the North Campaign are battles, so the short summaries work well.

Though, I have a question about the arc following the campaign...

How long was the time-skip btw? I only have one chapter of manga post-NC, and it doesn't help that all of the renegade Claymores look the same as they are in the past.

[ccardoso]

Oh wonderful summaries, thank you again!
But I'm quite surprised because

Raki is with Priscilla, Claire deadly enemy!
I mean: is he aware that Easly and Priscilla are Yoma? Why does he stay with them? Whose side will he take when Claire will arrive to Priscilla?

Aside from that is the story ending? It seems that the story is reaching harder and harder battle levels... ending that with the two final bosses.
I hope not, I hoped for Claymore to be the next Berserk.

[Nightengale]

Oh wonderful summaries, thank you again!
But I'm quite surprised because

Raki is with Priscilla, Claire deadly enemy!
I mean: is he aware that Easly and Priscilla are Yoma? Why does he stay with them? Whose side will he take when Claire will arrive to Priscilla?

Aside from that is the story ending? It seems that the story is reaching harder and harder battle levels... ending that with the two final bosses.
I hope not, I hoped for Claymore to be the next Berserk.




I believe he's aware that Easley's a Claymore (( not too sure though since we never really learned Easley's hair colour )), but he's not aware that both of them are first-rate Awakened. He doesn't even know the shady things Easley's subordinate is doing to Claire and co.

Well, he sparred with Easley a little bit. You can say he's learning how to fight a little bit from him. As to why Easley's bothered...Priscilla is strangely smitten to Raki after all. The last pre-timeskip chapter I read had Easley fighting with another Awakened, both at their full-powered form...I'm not so sure on Easley's fate, but it does look like Raki's stuck with Priscilla. I think we're in for some serious drama when Priscilla does meet Claire though. I would presume that Raki by then would've been with Priscilla MUCH longer than he is with Claire.

And no, the story isn't near ending yet, there's still...

-The Claymore Organization's HUGE secret.
-That Awakened Girl with his huge ugly Awakened Man-beast.
- Priscilla and Raki...possibly Easley too.
-Top-ranked Claymores.

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Ragi is a plot device. He's going to be killed and thus, providing more drama between Clare and Priscilla. Because we all love angry face contortions and rage.

In fact, he had it coming for a while.

Learning to grow stronger so he can fight alongside with her? That's called a death flag, especially in manga that doesn't hold back in killing its characters. Who does he think he is? some self insert character?

But fret not, just like Theresa, Irene, Jean, and Sophia.. his death will make Clare stronger.

That's how she grows in power

[Xion Valkyrie]

Oooo, finally got my account set up! I couldn't find anywhere else where people discussed this manga >.<
Nightengale: The post timeskip is 7 years later.

Awesome summaries masama, but I hope you don't mind me adding a few details you missed:


Volume 8: The reason Riful is here trying to gather new awakened ones is because after Priscilla joined Easley, Easley has been very aggresive and has been starting fights along the borders, which causes Riful to want more companions in orer to defeat Easley. Riful also admires the companionship and trust the Claymores show to each other, and wants to have awakened ones she can call her own companions.

Chapter 46: When releasing her Youma power, Galatea mentions how out of all the current Claymores, her Youma limit (?) when releasing is the most.

Chapter 49: Alicia was actually shown observing the battle with another one of the organization's hooded men, and when the man asks her what she thinks of Riful, Alicia responds that at her current level, when she is able to bring Riful's life to about 50%, she herself would alreay be dead. The man then says that they must increase Alicia's power by another 30%. Also, throughout this entire arc, Riful makes fun of Daf a lot, so you can see who wears the pants in this relationship lol. When Riful saves Daf from being finished by Jean, she mentions that despite the fact Daf is a big idiot and a disgrace for getting so damaged, he's still her man, and she'd miss him if he died lol.


Chapter 50: They were also threatened to be killed by Rafaela if they did not go to the North, and the man mentions that they have absolutely no chance against her.

Chapter 52: The awakened one that can influence youma flow was unable to influence Claire's arm because it was on a whole different level than everyone else there. Irene was Claymore #2/3 during Teresa's class.

Chapter 54: At the end of chapter 53, the awakened one tried to raise the youma level in Claire and Deneve, but in chapter 54, he raises them past their limit, but sees no change in them, which surprises Undine and Flora (I think).

Chapter 55: Raki saves Priscilla from a falling piece of a building, and Priscilla immediately takes a liking to him. When Easely shows up, Priscilla says Raki has a sweet smell, and Easley notes that that must be because he's from the south (?) and Priscilla misses that smell.

Chapter 56: Raki wakes up in the same bed as Priscilla (with his face in her boobs!) He is reminded of Claire.


Chapter 58: Throughtout the entire chapter, Claire was asking her self why she can't keep up, and tells herself that if she just had a little bit more power, she could save everyone.

Chapter 59: Claire partially awakes her legs, which allows her to cut off Ligardo's arm before he kills Miria. Ligardo remarks that her speed has surpassed even his ability to sense it. However, soon Ligardo realizes that Claire is unable to control her new speed, and thus can only move in straight lines, which is easy to predict. Ligardo dodges one of Claire's lunges, and then attempts to kill Miria, however, Claire suddenly lunges at him again from point blank range. He then realizes that Claire has also awakened her arm, and used her arm as a pivot so she could stop and attack him again. Soon afterwards, she awakes Irene's arm and all these chain blades appear over her body. Before she chops Ligardo to pieces, Ligardo thinks to himself how incredibly strong she is.

Chapter 61: This is a really important chapter, as we get more information on how evil the organization is. They admit to Galatea that the 24 Claymores were sent on a suicide mission to stall for time so they can get Alicia to to completion. They basically treat them as disposable pawns. Galatea seems annoyed at the fact, but the organization tells her that they're training the next generation's version of the "eye", so she will no longer be crucial, and will lose her special status. After Galatea leaves, one organization member remarks to himself that the best Claymore is a claymore that is disposed of once they've outlived their usefulness.



And I hope you don't mind me doing the spoilers for the rest of the chapters;

The organization is on the outskirts, and Galatea is here along with the money collector guy. We're finally introdued to Alicia, and Galatea is surprised she's wearing a black outfit. Suddenly, another Alicia appears, and Galatea is bewildered. She then realizes that the 2nd Alicia is actually Beth, Claymore #2, and Alicia and Beth are twins. A huge number of awakened ones appear, and Galatea notices how a few of them are quite strong, and asks the mysterious man whether it is wise for only Alicia to take them on. The awakened ones laugh at how the organization only sends 3 Claymores, and is ready to play around with them when Alicia suddenly awakens, and starts killing them. Next we switch to a bunch of awakened ones who meets Daf. Daf is surprised Ligardo and these awakened ones went to work for Easley, since he remembers Ligardo as a person who will never submit to anyone else. The awakened ones tell Daf that he made the wrong choice in who to follow, only to get sliced apart by Riful, who tells them that they're the ones who chose the wrong person to follow, and she and Daf proceed to destroy the awakened ones. We finally see Easley admiring the sky, when Lucera shows up, and says how he's so heartless in sending his awakened ones to suicide just as a test. She then proclaims that she will take over this territory.



We see the aftermath of what appears to be the opening hits between the battle of Lucera and Easley. Easley is damaged on his forhead, and he has his bow out, with the battlefield littered with large arrows. We then see Lucera with 2 really gross tentacles (they have mouths on them) sticking out from behind her dress. Easley decides to go full awakened form, and shoots a torrent to arrows that Lucera tries to block, but they rip right through her tentacles. However, she laughs, and goes full awakened form too, and we see that the arrows which have pierced her body are now being eaten by mouths that appeared where they hit. Easley turns his bow into a lance, and says he'll run her through, and Lucera replies that she's going to enjoy eating him (???). Galatea notices them, but doesn't seem to say anything about it to the mysterious man. Alicia finishes off the awakened ones and returns to her human form. Galatea is surprised that Alicia is able to maintain her mind after awakening, and then sees that Beth is in a trance. She realizes that Beth must have somehow transfered Alicia's consciouness into herself, and thus maintains their mind separate from the Youma body, allowing her to awaken but keep complete control. This is why Alicia is the most powerful Claymore in the organization's history. The mysterious man talks about how this is only possible because the twins have no sense of self. In the past, they tried it with sisters, but it failed (hints at Rafaela and Lucera). We then see Rafaela observing the battle between Easley and Lucera.



We flash back to what appears to be when Lucera and Rafaela were doing the test of what Alicia and Beth were doing in the previous chapter. We see that Lucera has gone out of control, and Rafaela sits with a gash in her eye. She tries to bring her sister back, but is unable to. In the aftermath, Rafaela wakes up bandaged in bed, and the mysterious man visits her, saying how they lost all the men and the claymores that were in the region, and that her sister has ran to the north. Rafaela wonders if she'll be punished, but the man says that they'll just exile(?) her. I can't really fully understand the exact conditions as to why they're not killing her, but basically, she's stripped of her rank. Later, it looks like she's wondering through the woods, and she meets a claymore in training. The claymore says she noticed Rafaela's youma power, but as soon as she got near, her youma level disappeared, making her think Rafaela was a normal person. Her trainer appears and hits her and derides her for running off again, and thinks Rafaela is a normal person, and threatens to kill her, when he realizes that she's Rafaela. He wonders why she's here, and she says she'll be on her way. Before she leaves, she asks the little claymore in training girl what her name is, and she replies that she's Teresa. Later, she's sitting in a cave somewhere in a remote area and the mysterious man shows up again. She says she realizes why awakened ones stay in this area, because there's so much youma power, it's hard to find anyone here. The mysterious man wants to reinstate her as a Claymore #, and tells her that Teresa along with #3-5 have been slain, as well as #2 having been awakened. They're short on people, so they need her reinstated, since her power was comparable to Lucera. In return, they'll offer her information on Lucera's whereabouts, so she can finish what she wanted to do before, which is to kill Lucera. Back to the present, we see lots of Lucera's tentacles laying around, with an Easley that has part of his face ripped off. He thinks to himself he just needed one more moment. We then see Lucera running through the forest, cursing Easley. She returns to her human form because she used up too much of her Youma power. At this moment, Rafaela shows up, and Lucera is extremely happy to see her, so much that she sheds tears and stretches out her arms. At the sight of this, Rafaela drops her Claymore and embraces Lucera. Lucera mentions how she's so happy to finally see Rafaela again, and she doesn't blame Rafaela for what happened when Rafaela cries that she's sorry for failing Lucera. Lucera says it is all Easley's fault, and she wants Rafaela to awaken so they can defeat Easley, and with their combined power, they can take over everything. Rafaela doesn't reply, and instead breaks Lucera's back. In the end, she says that she'll always love Lucera.




Timeskip!

We're in the north, following a hooded claymore who comes across this completely destroyed town. She mentions how this is the remnants of the battle that happened 7 years ago, where the 24 claymores perished. She goes into a building and meets up with 3 other claymores, and it is revealed they're here to kill an awakened one. Their leader is Claymore #9, Nina. They tell the hooded Claymore that she's late (similar to Claire's first meeting with Miria and Denev lol) and ask her why she's wearing a cloak. She reveals that she can't stand the temperature very well and they ask her what her rank is,which she replies is Clarice, #47! They're shocked that they'd send a #47 here to kill an awakened one, and thinks she's a completely weakling. Nina tells Clarice to take off her hood, and when she does, they're shocked that Clarice has mostly normaly colored hair. So they go out and the other Claymores tell Clarice to not get in the way, and in fact, it's better if she doesn't come at all. They meet the awakened one, and he basically just blows Clarice away in one hit (she doesnt' seem seriously hurt though). Nina uses her special skill Shadow Chaser, allowing her sword to track the Awakened one even though she's slower. This allows her and the 2 other Claymores to chop off his arms. Just when Nina is about to finish him off, she gets shot through the chest, and so do the other Claymores. We then see two more awakened ones show up, and laugh at how the organization still thinks awakened ones will not party up. They declare that ever since 7 years ago when the organization actively started hunting for awakened ones, it's all out war now (or something to that extent). They see Clarice, and think the organization is really running short on people, and decide to have some fun + eat her since she looks like she's barely a Claymore. However, before they can do that, they are killed in a flash. Clarice wakes up seeing that all her teamates are alive, and sees blood everwhere. She goes over the hill, and comes across 17 Claymores stuck into the ground as a memorial site.



We then see Miria, Helen, and one of the other girls (I can't remember who >.<) looking at Clarice. Helen is annoyed that Clarice is counting the Claymores, and thinks that this will reveal to the organization that there's still 7 Claymores alive and in hiding. She wants to kill Clarice to silence her up, but Miria says that they have to help those in need, and they'll just have to move. Helen then wonders where Claire is, and we see Claire walking in the snow followed by Yuma(? or Tabatha, one of them). Yuma wants Claire to slow down, but Claire says that she wasn't the one who requested Yuma to follow her. Yuma says that she's very thankful to Miria and everyone else for coming up with the plan to allow even a low ranked Claymore like her to live. We flashback to the night before Ligardo's attack, where Miria gathers all the Claymores and tells them of her plan. She takes out the pill that supresses Youma power, and chops it in half, and says that for tommorrow, they'll all need to eat it before the battle. With only half the pill, their youma power will not be supressed until they lose consciousness, thus, a form of faking death when they're knocked out. This is the only way she can give them a greater than 0% chance of any of them surviving. She feels bad that she has to use such a tactic, and that it'd cause them to be considered traitors to the organization, but since the organization treats them as disposable pawns, she has to do this. Undine supports her in this decision, saying how this would be a fair way, since it doesn't matter if you're weak or strong, you all have a equal chance of surviving, and that they're still going to give it their all before they lose consciousness. The other captains all support Miria. This is how they survived even though Priscilla detected that there were no Youma presence remaining 7 years ago. In the present, Claire then comes across a ruined city, and she goes in. She then goes into the basement, and realizes that Raki was here.



We see Claire looking on the wall, and she sees a picture of the twin goddesses etched into the wall, and on the side, the names Teresa + Claire are written. We then return to the hideout where all the 7 remaining claymores gather, and Miria talks about how their existence might be exposed, and they'll head west(? sorry, my directions in Chinese are really messed up, so I can't really tell which direction it is) where the Organization will definately not look for them. Claire however, wants to go North(? or South, or wherever Easley + Priscilla was headed). She reasons this because she's found evidence that Raki is alive, and there's a good chance he made it out alive, and if he were alive, he'd go that direction. Miria then tells Claire to fight her, and Claire understands that Miria is trying to show her that she needs to be able to overcome Miria if she has any chance of surviving alone. They start fighting and Miria uses her new technique, which she has been working on these past 7 years, that allows her to constantly move incredibly fast without using Youma power (I didn't quite understand the explanation of her new power). Claire in turn, has mastered Flora's cutting technique, and combined with her light speed sword, allows her to draw her sword from her back in a flash, increasing her destructive power. After the battle, Miria says that at Claire's current level, she'd not survive against the awakened ones, or even the top ranked Claymores from the organization. She asks her if she has any other reason to go North other than Raki, and Claire replies that she does. Miria then declares that they're going to disband, and everyone can go wherever they want. She however, will follow Claire to the North to avenger their fallen comrades from 7 years ago. Helen and Denev also volunteer to go, saying that their training these 7 years would go to waste if they just went into hiding. The other 2 Claymores agree and Yuma says that even though she might get int the way, she feels she has to go with them too. It ends with all 7 of them heading north to avenge their friends.



I don't quite remember where one chapter ends and the other starts, and I don't have the chapters with me, so I'm just going to do all 3 together. Clarice is back at Organization headquarters reporting on what happened. She tells them how they were attacked by 3 awakened ones, and when she came to, they were all dispatched, and how she found the gravesite for the 24 Claymores that perished 7 years earlier, but there were only 17 of them. The counil members ask if she's suggesting there are 7 Claymores that survived and are in hiding, which they discuss amongst themselves about and conclude that even if they did survive, they'd be dead by now as they can't sense any youma power emanating from there. They tell her that she doesn't have to return to go fight awakened ones, instead, they want her to go partner up with #4, Miata, who has the potential to become #1 (What happened to Alicia? lol). However, she has mental problems, so they hope Clarice can help her socialize with normal people. The mysterious man also mentions that since Rafaela died, no one is able to surpass her (again, what happened to Alicia? lol). Clarice goes and meets Miata in a room, but as soon as she enters, Miata attaks her and pins her to the ground. She asks Clarice if she's the one who killed her parents, and Clarice cries that she isn't. Miata then rips Clarice's shirt, and Clarice thinks she's gonna rape her (O_o lol, that's the impression I get. Clarice is so girly compared to someone like Teresa who made a joke out of a similar situation lol). Instead, Miata starts breast feeding on Clarice's breast and calls for her mom, making Clarice realize Miata is just a child, and what exactly the Organization have been doing to the Claymores.

We're not back with the 7 survivors, and they're now in the much warmer region. Helen comments on how nice it is to finally see the clear sky and feel the warm climate. Tabatha seems to have simlar powers to Galatea, and starts sensing around them to scout the area after Miria orders her to. She reports that she senses 12 Claymores with 4 Claymores heading their way, 2 of which are significantly stronger than the others. Miria comments that the organization is the same as always, if these 12 are sent towards the North, they'd get slaughtered by the awakened ones. Suddenly, Tabatha senses the appearance of an immense youma presence, and Claire realizes that it's Riful.

Riful appears before the 4 Claymore group in her fully awakened form, and greets the group, and want's the Claymores to introduce themselves, now matter if they're highly ranked or n00bs (in the Chinese translation, they're called vegetable birds? lol) One of the Claymores looks very manly with short hair, and she's very rude to Riful, basically asking her who the hell she is, and why did she show up in front of them all yammering on, which surprises Riful. Another Claymore who looks very elegant, tells her to be quiet, saying that even though they're enemies, Riful is still one of their older sisters, and they should show proper respect. She apologizes for the rudeness of her partner, and introduces her friend as Rachel, Claymore #5, and herself as Audrey, Claymore #3. Riful is really happy that they're so highly ranked, and says that it's so nice children these days know proper respect, however, Rachel remarks that Riful doesn't seem very impressive at all. Audrey tells Rachel to not be so blunt, even though it's the truth. Riful is again surprised by their boldness, as Rachel says that the era has changed, and that she doesn't want to listen to the ramblings of some old person. Rachel sticks her sword into the ground, and Riful remarks how that's an odd stance, and how is she going to use her sword if it's stuck to the ground. Riful says she'll instruct these children on how to treat their elders, and attacks Rachel with her Tentacles. Rachel pulls out her sword in a flash, destroying all of Riful's attacking tentacles. Riful is surprised that Rachel is able to destroy her tentacles, and remarks that Rachel must use the extra leverage of the ground to swing her sword at a higher power than normal (like how samurai's draw their sheathed swords). Audrey appears behind her head and attacks her, but is unable to harm Riful, and Riful remarks how Audrey doesn't have the power to hurt her body, and sends her tentacles at Audrey. Audrey deflects all her tentacles, and surprisingly, Riful's Tentacles hit herself instead, doing some damage.

All this time, the 7 survivors have been observing the battle, and Yuma comments that it's so impressive that these two Claymores are able to fight against Riful evenly. However, Miria seems worried, and finally shouts out for Claire, Helen, and Deneve to go with her to assist them. Yuma is kind of disappointed that she can't go, but Tabatha/Cynthia replies that they need to be fast for this operation, since most likely it'd involve a stealth attack when nobody is expecting it, so that's why they need to stay behind. On their way there, Helen comments on who they're going to help, Riful or the Claymores, and Deneve asks her if she's joking. Riful is very impressed at both of them, and commends them on a really great combination, but says that even though they're very good, they are unable to defeat her, since Rachel is unable to get close to Riful to do critical damage, and Audrey while able to get close, is unable to severely damage her. At this remark, Rachel basically says bullshit, and calls Riful an old hag who can't understand the changing times (poor Riful >.<).

Rachel and Audrey do a joined attack against Riful. Audrey deflects Riful's incoming attacks and then uses her sword to pull back Rachel's sword (similar to a sheath) allowing Rachel to do her special attack right at Riful's Body. Rachel is able to create a large gash through Riful's torso, surprising Riful. Now Riful is telling them to stop, as another hit will finish her. Rachel taunts Riful some more, and prepares a 2nd hit, however, this time Riful dodges, and remarks that the same attack will not work twice. Riful says how Rachel's move is easy to see coming, and that they should have something else prepared, since they shouldn't have used up their hidden ace already, which greatly pisses off Rachel, who flails at Riful but doesn't do any damage. Audrey tries to pierce Riful through the wound Rachel gave earlier, but notices that she can't. Riful comments it was a good idea, but her insides are just as strong as her outer armor. However, while Riful was distracted, Rachel slices right through her head.

Rachel comments that she's won, but then suddenly freezes, as Riful splits the rest of her head and body. Audrey suddenly realizes Riful was not cut at all, and Riful remarks that she didn't mean to trick them at the beginning, but this was how her body originally is (made up of many strands of flat tentacles). She is disappointed the two of them didn't see through her trick, unlike two Claymores she fought 7 years ago, who saw through it immediately, but then again they were really good at sensing youma power flow (talking about Claire and Galatea). Audrey realizes that Riful was hiding her real youma power this entire time, and now that Riful has revealed her true strength, she's on another level entirely. Audrey is completely frozen and starts shaking, while Rachel gets really pissed, yelling at how Audrey is #3, and tries to attack Riful, only to get pierced by Riful's tentacles. Riful says that to fight ontop of her body is to put themselves in a position where she can instantly obliterate them. Riful wraps Audrey around in her tentacles Audrey starts crying. Riful tells Audrey not to be afraid, as that defeats the purpose of her hiding her true powers. However, she is disappointed that they didn't figure out her deception right off the bat, and was hoping to get more of a fight (basically yeah, #3 and #5 are pretty week compared to previous generations lol). She kind of wants to keep them by herside, even though they can't detect youma powers very well. Since Rachel fainted already, she'll start with Audrey. She tells her to make a decision quickly, since she'll be torturing her to awaken her. If she wants to awaken, she should do so quikly, otherwise, she can ask Riful to kill her. The two Claymores in hiding panicks, and one of them wants to help, but the other one tries to stop her, saying how they can't do a thing, and it's best for them to report this and return with backup. However, the one who wants to help runs towards Riful anways, but suddenly notices the other one is knocked out. She turns around only to get knocked out by Helen/Deneve.

Riful notices that she can't sense the two Claymores in hiding anymore, and then she sees Miria, who takes Rachel and disappears in an instant. Helen also users Jean's attack (arm twist thingy) and pierces the tentacles holding Audrey, escaping from her. Audrey tries to get out of Helen's grasp, asking who the hell are they, only to get knocked out by Deneve, who tells Helen they're easier to deal with if you knock them out first lol. Riful shouts at them to stop taking her prey, and attacks Helen and Deneve, only to have her tentacles deflected by Claire. Riful asks who are they, but all 4 of them dash off, holding one of the knocked out Claymores. Riful tells them to come back, and one of them does. It's Claire, and she says she has something to ask Riful. End of chapter!!!

[masama]

Oooo, finally got my account set up! I couldn't find anywhere else where people discussed this manga >.<

Awesome summaries masama, but I hope you don't mind me adding a few details you missed:
no I don't mind at all, I was only going to write a few lines for each chapter but ended up going into too much details in some places.
Besides your summaries made mines look like crap :heh:
It's nice to have someone to fill in the gaps for me.

But I'm quite surprised because

Raki is with Priscilla, Claire deadly enemy!
I mean: is he aware that Easly and Priscilla are Yoma? Why does he stay with them? Whose side will he take when Claire will arrive to Priscilla?

Aside from that is the story ending? It seems that the story is reaching harder and harder battle levels... ending that with the two final bosses.
I hope not, I hoped for Claymore to be the next Berserk.
just had a look at ch56 again it didn't seem like Raki is aware that Easley and Priscilla are yoma or awokens. When Raki first saw Easley wielding his sword he asked if he was a famous swordman. Easley said he did learned how to use a sword before but gave up soon after. Raki asked Easley to teach him to use a sword because he wants to stay with someone, he wants to be stronger so he wouldn't be a hindrance to her. And if possible he wants to have the strength to help her.
I think the story is far from ending, it feels to me this is the second arc with the powered up Clare and the rest.

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we're at chp.70 right now

the newbie gang is fighting Riful

[masama]

Thanks for finishing off the summaries Xion, yours are what I called summary and mines are bullet points :heh:

now that we are kind of up-to-date with Claymore we can actually have some discussions.
we're at chp.70 right now

the newbie gang is fighting Riful
by newbie gang you mean Audrey and Rachel right? well yeh they got owned pretty bad, considering they are #3 and #5 you'd think they'll do better.

What do people think about Clare vs Riful? I doubt Clare can take Riful on her own, but with Miria, Helen and Deneve I think they stand a pretty good chance.
Taken from the Claymore anime thread
I wonder what the manga series is gonna do...

Monthly Shonen Jump is ending publication (!!!) with the July 2007 issue released on 6/6.
Anyone has any idea what's going to happen to Claymore? if 6/6 is the last issue then we'll only get 2 more chapters... I hope it won't cause any delays :(

[Xion Valkyrie]

Hmm, Claire definately should not be able to take down Riful, but she should be able to hold her own for a bit, at least impress Riful enough to get her questions answered, then scram lol. Riful does seem to like Claire a bit, so she'll probably play around with her a bit more and see how much she's improved.

One thing I'm still wondering about is how Claire and co are able to completely supress their youma presence (no use of Youma powers) yet still be able to do their special moves (Miria with her improved speed, Claire's Flower Cutter Speed Sword, and Helen with her spiral thrust). That'd mean if they do release their youma power, they'd be pretty ownage? lol.

Also, it seems like Rafaela is dead, I'm guessing she killed herself after Lucera died? Too bad Lucera gets introduced for like 2 chapters and then gets killed off =/ I mean, she is one of the three strongest Awakened ones, I was hoping to get more on her.

Also, what happened to Galatea, Alicia, and Bell? If there's a new #3, then that means Galatea is either dead, retired, or missing. Alicia is definately stronger than Rafaela, but why does the mysterious man say that since Rafaela's death, no Claymore has surpassed her?



As for the end of Shounen Jump Monthly, hopefully the author will find another monthly magazine to join. I mean it is popular enough to get an anime.

Btw, when's next chapter coming out XD

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I don't want..

Riful to die yet. I like her.

I consider her a lesser evil and necessary if Clare wants to take down Easley and Priscilla

Second, the organization has a tendency to rank claymores based on youma power alone. But as we know already, it's not quite that simple. For all we know Claris could have a uber hack ability like Clare

[Xion Valkyrie]

I don't want..

Riful to die yet. I like her.

I consider her a lesser evil and necessary if Clare wants to take down Easley and Priscilla

Second, the organization has a tendency to rank claymores based on youma power alone. But as we know already, it's not quite that simple. For all we know Claris could have a uber hack ability like Clare



I like Riful too, she's cute ^^ Well, at least in her human form >.> Also, she doesn't seem too bad compared to the other Awakened ones, like, she said that before Easley started stirring up the peace, she was just sleeping and eating in her corner of the world, so it's mostly Easley's fault for getting her to come and start killing things.



Also, who do you guys think is the most powerful Claymore? I think it's Teresa:
Teresa seems to be obscenely powerful, I mean, she basically whupped a partially awakened Priscilla using only 10% of her Youma power. Priscilla is probably close to the level of Riful/Lucera/Easley in terms of power as an awakened one. I mean a partially awakened Claire basically raped Ligardo, and an unawakened Claire is still probably weaker than an unawakened Priscilla.

[masama]

Hmm, Claire definately should not be able to take down Riful, but she should be able to hold her own for a bit, at least impress Riful enough to get her questions answered, then scram lol. Riful does seem to like Claire a bit, so she'll probably play around with her a bit more and see how much she's improved.

One thing I'm still wondering about is how Claire and co are able to completely supress their youma presence (no use of Youma powers) yet still be able to do their special moves (Miria with her improved speed, Claire's Flower Cutter Speed Sword, and Helen with her spiral thrust). That'd mean if they do release their youma power, they'd be pretty ownage? lol.

Also, it seems like Rafaela is dead, I'm guessing she killed herself after Lucera died? Too bad Lucera gets introduced for like 2 chapters and then gets killed off =/ I mean, she is one of the three strongest Awakened ones, I was hoping to get more on her.

Also, what happened to Galatea, Alicia, and Bell? If there's a new #3, then that means Galatea is either dead, retired, or missing. Alicia is definately stronger than Rafaela, but why does the mysterious man say that since Rafaela's death, no Claymore has surpassed her?

It really doesn't make sense how they can execute all these techniques without yoma power does it. Personally I think they learned how to use their yoma power while suppressing yoma presence. Regardless how, it does give them an edge over those rely on sensing yoma presence to fight.

We only know the current #3, #4, and #5 so far right? So I'm guessing Alicia and Beth are still #1 and #2, surely they couldn't be done with after all these efforts the organisation spent on them. I reckon we'll still see some more Galatea, she did say she was disgusted (or along those lines) at what the organisation has done to Alicia and Beth, so she could be in hiding.

About the mysterious man referring to no Claymore has surpassed Rafaela since her death, I think they meant her ability to hide yoma presence. During the meeting they said there couldn't be any survivors else they could have sensed them. They didn't think anyone else apart from Rafaela could hide their yoma presense, but we all know Clare and co now can.

Also, who do you guys think is the most powerful Claymore? I think it's Teresa:Teresa seems to be obscenely powerful, I mean, she basically whupped a partially awakened Priscilla using only 10% of her Youma power. Priscilla is probably close to the level of Riful/Lucera/Easley in terms of power as an awakened one. I mean a partially awakened Claire basically raped Ligardo, and an unawakened Claire is still probably weaker than an unawakened Priscilla. second Teresa She hesitated and taken by surprise. I reckon if she was at 80% (think that is the maximum Claymore can go before becoming awoken), she could take the awoken Priscilla on with ease. There's definitely a lot more to Clare than what we know, after all part of her is Teresa. IIRC the organisation did mention there are still some unknown factors with Clare a long time ago, probably before the Northern campaign.

I don't want..

Riful to die yet. I like her.

I consider her a lesser evil and necessary if Clare wants to take down Easley and Priscilla

Second, the organization has a tendency to rank claymores based on youma power alone. But as we know already, it's not quite that simple. For all we know Claris could have a uber hack ability like Clare


yeh I think Riful is kind of cute as well, in her human form that is. Personally I dig Helen the most. The way she talks, her expressions and personalities, oh and she owns in recent chapters :heh: .

I'd like to see more of Claris as well. When she first appears after the time skip and introduces herself, Claris #47, I really thought Claymore was going to start anew with new casts, it was even more believable knowing that she's quite unique (her hair colour that is). But I'm glad I was wrong :D
Oh and btw, Claymore releases on the 6th each month.

[Xellos-_^]

anyone want to speculate on what those monk-like guys in the organizations are.


Some of them look less human then some of the awaken ones.

[shaselai]

how come priscilla looks much younger than in the beginning? Is it because she "awakened"? And I am wondering if Raki is still with them... I mean he will probably find out about them being monsters in those years.
But regardless of Raki's training i doubt he will make much of an impact in a claymore battle since they have inhuman speed, power etc.

[TrueAlchemist]

anyone want to speculate on what those monk-like guys in the organizations are.


Some of them look less human then some of the awaken ones.

My wild guess is that they are all claymores (half demon/half man).
In the earlier, all the claymores were male, but the organization decided to use female over male. I think they are all very earlier generation of Claymore.

To be honest, Claymores are very close to monster, and if those guys are simple human, they probably have trouble keeping their underings.

[nadare]

My wild guess is that they are all claymores (half demon/half man).
In the earlier, all the claymores were male, but the organization decided to use female over male. I think they are all very earlier generation of Claymore.

The organization didnt choose female over male... It was like they were forced to. Male turning into a Claymore has a high chance of turning into an awakened being right after they are turned into a claymore... Thats what I have read.

To be honest, Claymores are very close to monster, and if those guys are simple human, they probably have trouble keeping their underings.

Claymores are already monsters, because they also have monster blood. It might be rude to say that since they defend human race from monsters. I think its their human blood that causes them to protect humans. When their monster blood awakens(awakened being) they transform fully into a monster.

[masama]

sometimes I wonder what's the reluctant in becoming awaken?

It seems to me the awakens are pretty sane... well strictly speaking the more powerful ones. I think at the end of the day whether eating the guts of human or not depends on the person himself or herself.

The stuff those monk-like guys in the organization do and the way they treated the Claymores are pretty inhumane to be honest.

[ickem]

I figure that one of the things preventing them from just awaking is that they want to stay "human" and don't want to be known as monsters. After all, Claymores were once human and have been raised by the organization to despise awakened beings almost all their lives.

The chapter is almost entirely talking. Riful finally remembers who Clare was and asks what happened to the other two. She's a little disappointed to hear of their fates since she was really interested in them, especially Galatea. The thing that Clare want to ask is about what happened with the awakened beings 7 years ago. Riful says she'll tell her if Clare becomes her comrade and Clare relies that she'll think about it. Riful really wants someone who can read youma energy really well so as long as Clare becomes her comrade, she'll let the other Claymores in the vicinity go. She also reminds her of what she said before, that the biggest shortcut to her revenge is to become Riful's comrade. Riful then tells her that Easrey, or however you're supposed to spell his name, split his forces to the east and west and went south himself. Both groups were simply throwaway pawns and were easily destroyed. Clare understands how the group in the west was so easily destroyed because of Riful, but is shocked that the organization was able to destroy the other group. Riful replies by saying that the organization hasn't been idle either and created a warrior capable of fighting the Shinen no Mono(no idea how to translate this into something that doesn't sound lame, something like Beings of Despair or something). In other words they've created a new Shinen no Mono so there was no imbalance of power even with the death of Rushiela. Clare then asks whether Rufil thought about going for Easrey when he fought Rushiela. Riful says that of course she went since with Easrey fighting another Shinen no Mono, even though he won, he was still close to death. Riful was basically feeling really good about the situation until she met "that." When she went to see Easrey Priscilla was there and Easrey told her that it's too late to do anything. He told her that no matter how strong an awakened being she gathers and no matter how strong a warrior the oranization created it was already too late, no one can kill Priscilla. Riful got really angry and told Duf they were leaving and Duf said why since she could take Easrey pretty easily then. Riful's words were "You've got to be kidding, that woman is much, much stronger than us." Easrey created the story about how he deafed her. He became her general when he realized that he couldn't beat her. The only way that anyone had a chance of beating her was if a power greater than the Shinen no Mono arose, in other words if Riful and Rushiela used all their power to try to beat her. So he though up this plan to destroy that very small chance before anyone realized Priscilla's power. He knew that Riful couldn't work together with the organization so he went after Rushiela. Now it seems that he really fallen for Priscilla. Things have now calmed down since no one has a chance of defeating Priscilla, but they have the power to easily take all the other lands. Clare asks why Riful wants her as a comrade when compared to her, Easrey and Priscilla, she is really weak and Riful tells her that she found has something really interesting. That's why she wants someone who can read youma energy well, in other words she wants someone with even the slightest chance of controlling that youma energy. Clare tells her that she's been thinking about whether to become Riful's comrade all the time they've been talking and says it's impossible. She tells Riful that even though she isn't strong enough to beat her, she can still get away. Anyways, she runs off and Riful is really mad and tells her that payback's a bitch.

It had always bothered me that Priscilla wasn't at least as powerful as the Shinen no Mono since she was supposed to have more latent talent than Teresa. That plus how truly shocked Rafaela was at Teresa's abilities when she met her was a little confusing, especially since Rafaela was just as powerful as Rushiela. So the Priscilla>Teresa>Rafaela=Rushiella equation was thrown off when we found out that Priscilla was weaken the Shinen no Mono, even if only a little weaker. At least we finally find out why she was supposed to be weaker.

As for what Riful has, I'm guessing that she got her hands on Alicia or maybe Rafaela and wants Clare to control them.

[sazan fan]

Priscilla>Teresa>Rafaela=Rushiella

Well, that equation is not entirely accurate, since we never saw Teresa in her full power. She always fights keeping her yoma power at the lowest, since she is so good at sensing the"yoma flow". An awaken being is suppose to be stronger than a non-awaken claymore, so you can't compare an awaken Priscilla and an regular Teresa. Besides, when Priscilla was still just a claymore, she was completely defeated by Teresa even though she tried to power up as much as she could. People always "say" that Priscilla is stronger than Teresa, but as far as I am concerned, Teresa won the fight against Priscilla. Priscilla killed Teresa after admitting defeat, which was a really cheap shot. So, the real order should be:
Teresa>Priscilla>Rafaela=Rushiella

[ickem]

Well, that equation is not entirely accurate, since we never saw Teresa in her full power. She always fights keeping her yoma power at the lowest, since she is so good at sensing the"yoma flow". An awaken being is suppose to be stronger than a non-awaken claymore, so you can't compare an awaken Priscilla and an regular Teresa. Besides, when Priscilla was still just a claymore, she was completely defeated by Teresa even though she tried to power up as much as she could. People always "say" that Priscilla is stronger than Teresa, but as far as I am concerned, Teresa won the fight against Priscilla. Priscilla killed Teresa after admitting defeat, which was a really cheap shot. So, the real order should be:
Teresa>Priscilla>Rafaela=Rushiella

Actually I didn't mean Priscilla as an awakened being was more powerful than Teresa was, obviously she is, but that everyone, including Teresa herself, felt that Priscilla's latent talent as a Claymore was higher than hers. All the time she was fighting Priscilla she was thinking that though she could win that first fight and maybe a the ones after it, Priscilla would eventually be good enough to beat her. If I remember right, one of the watchers of the organization said that Priscilla had released all her latent powers upon awakening. I'm not trying to denigrate Teresa in the least since she is by far my favorite character, but I can't really deny what everyone else has said.

[Nightengale]

Well, the general argument is latent potential. What makes Theresa so capable was her ability to feel the youma flow, and if we make an argument that Priscilla can do the same, then Priscilla should be stronger. It's been said that her latent strength is greater than Theresa's, but that doesn't neccesarily make her stronger especially if she can't do things like predicting movements and all the l33t stuff Theresa does. Assuming both of them awakens to the extent where they fight irrationally without Theresa reading flows, then Priscilla should be the victor in that situation.

Easley lives!!

Needs moar Riful.

Where's Raki? :(

[nadare]

He's currently with Priscilla

[sazan fan]

First off, to ickem, if I sounded like I was directly attacking you in my previous post, I apologize, it was not my intention. By people I meant the people in the manga. (the organization, other claymores etc) That is what really annoys me. Talk is cheap. And just because they say so does not necessary make it true. Think about it this way, people (fans, even some sports analysts) thought that Carter was going to be the next Michael Jordan, and look how that turned out.

By the way I just dug this up, since I am rereading the manga after seeing the anime:

Volume 5 Chapter 2 (Chapter 23 overall)

"I don't believe it! Teresa repelled Priscilla's massive strength... using just enough yoma power for her eyes color to change. That's the true nature... of Teresa's strength."

You can interpret the quote however you want, but to me this showed that the other claymores (or at least the individual who I can't identify since they all look alike) finally realized just how strong Teresa truly was. The talk about Priscilla having the talent of becoming stronger than is just all hype. They think that way because Teresa has never needed to release her true strength, even against Priscilla who is pushing her yoma limits.

[ickem]

Don't worry I didn't think that you were attacking me, I just wanted to say that I'm not anti-Teresa. I've always thought that if Teresa were to have awakened, she would have been more powerful than Priscilla, but as a Claymore Priscilla was the worst possible opponent she could have. Remember that Teresa was so great because she was able to basically read the future, but Priscilla didn't release any youma power for Teresa to read. So I think people felt that Priscilla's assets i.e. swordsmanship etc would surpass Teresa's. There was also the fact the Priscilla really lost it after she and the others got their asses kicked. Her inability to think probably contributed to how easily Teresa was able to fend her off when she was in that monstrous form.

[sazan fan]

True, but the important thing to remember is that Teresa is the real winner. On another note, I honestly think Teresa and Clare would have made a better protagonist as oppose to the Clare and Raki pairing.

[Key Board]

Shien no Mono is what Riful, Easley and Lucetia was IIRC

It refers to the strongest of the awakens

[ickem]

True, but the important thing to remember is that Teresa is the real winner. On another note, I honestly think Teresa and Clare would have made a better protagonist as oppose to the Clare and Raki pairing.

I feel the same way. Raki has always gotten on my nerves for some reason. I understand how Clare getting him as a companion is supposed to parallel how Teresa got Clare, but Clare hasn't really changed since she's been with him unlike what happened with Teresa.

I'm interested in seeing how much better Clare has gotten at using Teresa's ability to read the flow of youma energy. She was decent at it before, but after suppressing her youma energy. for so long, she should have improved a lot.

[shaselai]

How come Priscilla look so much different than her in early chapters? Does being an awakened turn the person younger or they can decide what they look like?

[ickem]

How come Priscilla look so much different than her in early chapters? Does being an awakened turn the person younger or they can decide what they look like?

It's probably just due to the evolution of the art in the manga. All the other characters look somewhat different to how they were in the earlier manga as well.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Nuuu, despite the fact that we found out a lot, I can't believe we have to wait another month for 72 >.<

Also, loli attracts readers =P

[Crystal_Method]

I was just scavenging amazon and it seems that volume 7 came out on April 3. Thought I'd tell those like me who forget these things.

[coba]

I guess most of you guys watched the first episode of the anime too right ? So who is the awaken one shown near the end of the OP ?

[Nightengale]

I guess most of you guys watched the first episode of the anime too right ? So who is the awaken one shown near the end of the OP ?

Priscilla.

The one before in the non-awakened form is Riful.

[GundamZZ]

The true story behind chapter 71 is..

Riful: Rao(裸王)!
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4397/angrylolinh0.jpg


and


Isley: uuuhuuu
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/914/uuuhuuuubc0.jpg


By the way, Shien means the deep pit. Mono means the thing.

Some chapter summaries are not correct. Anyone minds to make those correction.

[ickem]

The true story behind chapter 71 is..

By the way, Shien means the deep pit. Mono means the thing.

Some chapter summaries are not correct. Anyone minds to make those correction.

Yeah Shinen no Mono is something like beings or creatures of the abyss. For some reason I keep seeing it as despair since I keep associating it with creatures of depths of despair or something. Either way they're badasses.


At least they were badasses until the truth about Priscilla came out. Well they are still badasses, just not as much anymore.

[shaselai]

do you guys think there is a chance that Priscilla ditches Easly and goes with Raki?

[ccardoso]

Can someone make a summary of what is happening in chapter 71? There are a lot of "!!!" in this chapter so I guess something big was revealed. I suspect there is a love traingle among Easly-Priscilla-Riful, but I didn't get more than that (given it's right... :heh:).

[Xellos-_^]

The true story behind chapter 71 is..

Riful: Rao(裸王)!
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4397/angrylolinh0.jpg


and


Isley: uuuhuuu
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/914/uuuhuuuubc0.jpg


By the way, Shien means the deep pit. Mono means the thing.

Some chapter summaries are not correct. Anyone minds to make those correction.


Riful needs a new boy friend. That guy looks pitful.


This has been on my mind for a bit. Why is it that hybirds like the awaken ones are more powerful then regular demons? Where are the really powerful regular or is it they don't exist at all?

[Anh_Minh]

Maybe it's because the weak hybrids don't live to awaken? (Maybe they're killed by youmas early in their career. Maybe they're killed by other Claymores, or sent on suicide missions, when they come close to awakening.) So the only Awakened Ones you see are the toughest Claymores, which themselves needed to be the toughest hybrids to survive training?

[Xellos-_^]

Maybe it's because the weak hybrids don't live to awaken? (Maybe they're killed by youmas early in their career. Maybe they're killed by other Claymores, or sent on suicide missions, when they come close to awakening.) So the only Awakened Ones you see are the toughest Claymores, which themselves needed to be the toughest hybrids to survive training?

That still doesn't explain where the more powerful Full demons are.

[Anh_Minh]

True, but it does explain part of the Awakened Ones' strength.

As for the full demons... Maybe, as a full demon becomes stronger, he becomes hungrier, like the Voracious Eater of Darkness in paradise. And before he can truly come into his full strength, something is done about him because he can't go unnoticed? I got the impression that most youmas traveled around, trying not to stay in one place long enough for the people to call Claymores down on them. Maybe, strong youmas don't have that option and are dispatched.

[cajunman380]

In one of the earlier volumes (i believe it was the arc called the slashers) The priest guy (the one with glasses) mentions to claire that the demon she slayed in that church was just an ordinary one who needed to eat a lot because he disguised himself as a shriveled up corpse. Gnerally IMHO most demons dont travel around but stay at a spot especially places where they can hide themselves easily from claymores. The only reason a claymore would come to hunt them is because they were hired by the town to do so. SO if the town cant get the claymore. the town is basically screwed (nice economic policy there for ya)

As for the whole demon, awakened being thing. At this point i dont think they have revealed enough info to go into such detail (heck we dont even know where the dam demons come from). Whjat i can guess is that the reason why the awakened ones are so much stronger is because its basically a fusion of human flesh and demon flesh realised to its full potential. It may have something to do with how claymores are made (would explain the ranking). I believe that depending on the host involved and the amount of demon flesh used (and the type). The awakened being can be either a weak one (which would probably die easily) or a really strong top tier one (notice that RItful, Daft, Easly, Priscilla, and ligados were all single digit claymores before awakening). As to wheter there are more powerful "pure blood demons". I would say its possible, they could be dormant, hiding away or simply be slightly more powerful than the regualrs.

To sum it up in order to fully answer this question we need to know the details of the process involved in making claymores.



1 question as i have been reading the manga... what keeps the men in cloaks safe. Why dont some of the claymores just kill them if they treat them like disposable pawns, are they really powerful?


ANd im sorry to add but does anyone know a place that has a text translation of the latest chapter. I would really like to know the dialogue and not just the summary (which is truly appreciated, thank you to the individual who posted it). Any resons helps.

[Anh_Minh]

Gnerally IMHO most demons dont travel around but stay at a spot especially places where they can hide themselves easily from claymores. The only reason a claymore would come to hunt them is because they were hired by the town to do so. SO if the town cant get the claymore. the town is basically screwed (nice economic policy there for ya)


It's manga, so anything's possible, but it's unlikely. Why? Because even small villages can afford Claymores (not easily, but if it's that or be eaten by a youma...) So any town can easily afford their services. And if it's a small village that really can't pay for a Claymore and if a youma stuck around... He'd either end up eating everyone (even if he doesn't eat that much, a small village can't afford that kind of mortality rate), or, more realistically, the survivors would just run away and disperse before that happens. In both cases, the village would disappear and the youma would have to move on anyway - after raising a big stink, making it more likely that the neighbouring villages will be desperate enough to call a Claymore fast, no matter the cost.

If I was a youma, I'd travel around, never staying long enough to eat more than two or three people. And if I saw a Claymore, I wouldn't try to fight her or to have one last meal - I'd just do my best to escape. They'd never catch me!

[cajunman380]

It's manga, so anything's possible, but it's unlikely. Why? Because even small villages can afford Claymores (not easily, but if it's that or be eaten by a youma...) So any town can easily afford their services.

i have to disagree, or else why would demon hunting requests for a demon at a particular town came from another town? I find it hard to believe that there arent villages that simply cant afford it (but like you said its manga) or better yet, a village that failed to pay claymores in the past (in the manga its explicitly stted by teresa that if a village doesnt pay then the org wont bother with them anymore, in other words they are screwed)


And if it's a small village that really can't pay for a Claymore and if a youma stuck around... He'd either end up eating everyone (even if he doesn't eat that much, a small village can't afford that kind of mortality rate), or, more realistically, the survivors would just run away and disperse before that happens. In both cases, the village would disappear and the youma would have to move on anyway - after raising a big stink, making it more likely that the neighbouring villages will be desperate enough to call a Claymore fast, no matter the cost.

i agree, though i would think that the villagers from a village infested by a demon would come under scrutiny from otrher villages because they may believe that the villagers themselves are demons. but yeah.



If I was a youma, I'd travel around, never staying long enough to eat more than two or three people. And if I saw a Claymore, I wouldn't try to fight her or to have one last meal - I'd just do my best to escape. They'd never catch me!


If i were a demon i would make sur ethat the village i assualt would have no chance in hell of getting a claymore period. I would use a fall guy and take the money so they cant pay for a claymore and thus they are screwed. If i ran into a claymore and i was just a regular demon, i would pray that its a lower digit cuz otherwise im screwed (especialy the singles, forget about it). In therms of overall ability they would surpass me so it would be pointless to run. I fi was an awakened being however, my chances would be better (just hope it isnt a bunch of single didgits or im a top tier awakened then its ok)

[ccardoso]

I was thinking one thing: I noticed that the organization managers are all males who doesn't seem very human to me... what if they're all awakened ones that are fighting other youma/awakened ones who don't want to subdue to the organization? If that's true then there will be no "good side" or "bad side" anymore.

[Anh_Minh]

I
i have to disagree, or else why would demon hunting requests for a demon at a particular town came from another town?
Because they weren't aware they had a youma in their midst. It only ate from neighboring villages, not the one it lived in.

I find it hard to believe that there arent villages that simply cant afford it (but like you said its manga) or better yet, a village that failed to pay claymores in the past (in the manga its explicitly stted by teresa that if a village doesnt pay then the org wont bother with them anymore, in other words they are screwed)
Yeah, but I think those are rare and that, as I explained, no single village can support a youma.


i agree, though i would think that the villagers from a village infested by a demon would come under scrutiny from otrher villages because they may believe that the villagers themselves are demons. but yeah.

Oh, they may be refused entry and die out in the wilderness. It hardly matters.


If i were a demon i would make sur ethat the village i assualt would have no chance in hell of getting a claymore period. I would use a fall guy and take the money so they cant pay for a claymore and thus they are screwed.
And then they'd disappear. It's like overgrazing - not smart. Besides, there's no guarantee they can't work out a deal with neighboring villages for a loan.

If i ran into a claymore and i was just a regular demon, i would pray that its a lower digit cuz otherwise im screwed (especialy the singles, forget about it). In therms of overall ability they would surpass me so it would be pointless to run.
Why? Even Clare said that if a Youma hid, it was difficult to find. If a demon runs away as soon as it hears about a Claymore being on its way, it should be safe. Even for a face to face meeting... It might have to be better than average at hiding its energy, but it sounds doable.

I fi was an awakened being however, my chances would be better (just hope it isnt a bunch of single didgits or im a top tier awakened then its ok)

Meh. The point is to not fight them at all. Too much effort, too little meat.

[cajunman380]

Why? Even Clare said that if a Youma hid, it was difficult to find. If a demon runs away as soon as it hears about a Claymore being on its way, it should be safe. Even for a face to face meeting... It might have to be better than average at hiding its energy, but it sounds doable.

Ill concede to most of the other points except this one. Keep in mind who is saying this. Clare who at the time was ranked number 47 (the weakest). Furthermore we dont know how much experiece she has. COmpare her to someone like teresa or galatea for example (who has a long distance sesor range) and you will see a big difference. Regular demons are coannon fodder to them and i do beleve theyar enot hard to find but rather claymores dont bother seeking them out unles theres a job involved. But the point is not hiding, its when theres a face to face encounter. If your an average demon and you encounter someone say like ophelia (who had no toruble catching up to clare after clobbering an awakened one). WHat chances do you actually have of being able even to turn your back and run before you get disembowed, decapitated or what not. There is a reason theres a ranking system and unless your a demon gifted with godly speed your not gonna escape. (and i havent even mentioned other demons who would pissibley try to kill you for various reasons)

[Anh_Minh]

Clare may be weak in terms of fighting power, but she is supposed to be good at sensing youma energy.

And I doubt they'll bother a single digit for a standard youma with a normal appetite. I'm not saying "run when the game's up and the Claymore already knows you're a youma". I'm saying "skip town when they start talking about hiring a Claymore". And if you meet one anyway, keep your cool, don't flex your muscles, and walk away discreetly.

[pushpaka]

Riful needs a new boy friend. That guy looks pitful.


This has been on my mind for a bit. Why is it that hybirds like the awaken ones are more powerful then regular demons? Where are the really powerful regular or is it they don't exist at all?




This is my guess and pure speculation. Hybrids probably are way, way more powerful than a pure-strain bar none. Even a weakling like Clare can steam-roller the Yoma. The reason I guess, would be because they're hybrid.

Why do Yoma eat human intestines? Why couldn't they just go eat chitlins from pigs or cows? For that matter, Yoma seem to eat alot more than the Claymores. A quick nibble on a lizard leg, was enough to fill Clare whereas Yomas just gobble down all the intestines they can get.

So maybe Claymore human parts act to supercharge their Yoma tissue above what the Yoma can do? The Awakened are probably so strong because they still have enough humanity in them and combine that with boosted Yoma powers.

[cajunman380]

Clare may be weak in terms of fighting power, but she is supposed to be good at sensing youma energy.

You are correct. However at the time she made such a comment that ability of hers was not made known. Plus we discover from Mirias observation that the stronger the yoma power the easier it is for her(clare) to sense it. When she was dueling clare, she had trouble sensing mirias energy becuase she kept it surpressed. All im saying is that we cant take clares word at the time at 100 percent because there are some aspects of her that we didnt know yet and she didnt know as well. Heck she didnt even know about the offensive and defensive type claymores which is something i think every claymore should have at least known (information discrimination)


And I doubt they'll bother a single digit for a standard youma with a normal appetite. I'm not saying "run when the game's up and the Claymore already knows you're a youma". I'm saying "skip town when they start talking about hiring a Claymore". And if you meet one anyway, keep your cool, don't flex your muscles, and walk away discreetly.


incorrect. as Helen stated in the slashers arc, each claymore is assigned a different region of the ocntinent. SO if a demon falls in a certain claymores juresdiction then its that claymores job totake it out (unless its a special mission). We saw teresa (the number one claymore) deal with regular yoma probably because the requests fell into her district.

Also, Claymores are called in because they can identify a demon even when its disguised. If a demon tries to alk past a claymore then the claymore will know its a demon. Naturally there are tactics and the claymores rank comes into play, but if you run into a claymore then generally your screwed unless special circumstance comes into play.


This is my guess and pure speculation. Hybrids probably are way, way more powerful than a pure-strain bar none. Even a weakling like Clare can steam-roller the Yoma. The reason I guess, would be because they're hybrid.

I think it aslo has do do with how well human energy can synchronize with that of a demon. Also depends on the demon used

Why do Yoma eat human intestines? Why couldn't they just go eat chitlins from pigs or cows? For that matter, Yoma seem to eat alot more than the Claymores. A quick nibble on a lizard leg, was enough to fill Clare whereas Yomas just gobble down all the intestines they can get.

Actuallly no. I believe it was stated by clare that yoma tend to eat once every two weeks (there are exceptions of course). Its only the awakened ones that tend to eat more. (they ar emore pwerful). As for why human intestines, could be a preference, who knows? we wont know until we learn more about demon origins


So maybe Claymore human parts act to supercharge their Yoma tissue above what the Yoma can do? The Awakened are probably so strong because they still have enough humanity in them and combine that with boosted Yoma powers.

When one says a claymores awakened, it means that the human side is supposedly gone and the demon portion takes complete control.

[Xellos-_^]

When one says a claymores awakened, it means that the human side is supposedly gone and the demon portion takes complete control.



Looking at Easliy (sp?) Riful and some of the more powerful awakening ones. I would say it is more of a total merge of the human part of the mind with the demon part of the mind. Rather then a complete takeover of the demon mind.

I was thinking one thing: I noticed that the organization managers are all males who doesn't seem very human to me... what if they're all awakened ones that are fighting other youma/awakened ones who don't want to subdue to the organization? If that's true then there will be no "good side" or "bad side" anymore.

I don't think that is very likely, as Galatea was in their presence before and considering how good she is at sense Yoma energy, i think she would have sense if the monks are awakening ones.

Edit: just thought of something, it is possible the monks are awakening ones if they are using those pills that suppress yoma powers. That would explain why galatea wouldn't be able to sense them but that still wouldn't explain thier motivation.

[ccardoso]

Edit: just thought of something, it is possible the monks are awakening ones if they are using those pills that suppress yoma powers. That would explain why galatea wouldn't be able to sense them but that still wouldn't explain thier motivation.
World domination, the crappiest one...

[Defiled one]

I have to disagree.

The order does not seem interested in that since we all know how the payment works. Yomas are killed and someone after, comes to collect the money. Not abiding to these rules would make the town powerless andAs Theresa said, more Yomas would appear, in a larger number.

I really doubt the order is after that, world domination is at their hands yet...They possess an grudge agains`t awakenings.

I don`t know how the order makes hybrids but I know they use different methods...Candidates are forced to turn Claymores, obey strict laws of conduct and, in case of awakening...kill itself

But as the manga progresses the order intentions and the whole deal of Awakened, which the order says you turn in to a mindless monsterturned to be a lie


Which brings us to the all questioning of what exactly the order fears about awakened. Reputation? Fear? Or something else?

Clare may be the lowest of the rank but, even the order whispered there and there. Of how Clare process was different since she was fused with Theresa blood

So, my veredict about the order is simple....They experimented too much and they fear something worse than the awakened...either they plan to control it or destroy it I don`t know. But I really doubt those skinny men lack power, especially knowing they incite fear in the Claymores, which are more powerfull than they.

[cajunman380]

I have to disagree.

The order does not seem interested in that since we all know how the payment works. Yomas are killed and someone after, comes to collect the money. Not abiding to these rules would make the town powerless and
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As Theresa said, more Yomas would appear, in a larger number.

Theresas statement at that time was more of a bad joke if anything else. For me its wide open to interpretation, from the wade she made those comments and as the man pointed out, she seemed to imply that the order actually sent the demons to the town which would not be far off. I mean, where do these demons come from? where does the order ge tthe spare parts from? Plus i have to wonder what use the order would have for money of such extent (claymores obviously have very little if any use for it at all)

I really doubt the order is after that, world domination is at their hands yet...They possess an grudge agains`t awakenings.

There isnt exactly much of a world to dominate from whatr weve have seen. Now there could be more unkown areas the author hasnt shown, but all it would take would be the 10 ten and bam. Im not even sure why the oder does what it does.



I don`t know how the order makes hybrids but I know they use different methods...
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Candidates are forced to turn Claymores, obey strict laws of conduct and, in case of awakening...kill itself


Th eexact process was never made clear although there seems to be implications that direct fusion or surgury is involved. Possibly sorcery? We wont know until the exact details are sorted out. AS for candidates, basically theyre people who are technically trash or have no place else to go or have been sold to them as gimmypigs. The only exception is clare. As for the laws, i agree that the order does give the claymores a sense of fear about becoming demons so they put these rules in place to ensure that doesnt happen. But as we have been seeing in th emanga, not all of what the order says or thinks is correct (claymores who have awakened and yet retain their human side?)





But as the manga progresses the order intentions and the whole deal of Awakened, which the order says you turn in to a mindless monster
Spoiler for 1:
turned to be a lie


Among many that we are beginning to see

Which brings us to the all questioning of what exactly the order fears about awakened. Reputation? Fear? Or something else?


Possibly all, or that they just consider them an unecessary hassle. The priest guy basically said it. If theres a request for an awakened to be killed, then they send a team to deal with it, otherwise they dont bother. Its like a scientist who ikes to experiment but doesnt want to deal with the hassle of failed experiments bugging him.


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Clare may be the lowest of the rank but, even the order whispered there and there. Of how Clare process was different since she was fused with Theresa blood


Exactly, clare is different for many reasons, she joined of her own will and instead of being half demon, shes only 1/4 it. Having the flesh and blood of theresa, arguably the strongest claymore kown. I get the feeling the priest dude knows this for a fact and has been somewhat testing her on that.


So, my veredict about the order is simple....They experimented too much and they fear something worse than the awakened...either they plan to control it or destroy it I don`t know. But I really doubt those skinny men lack power, especially knowing they incite fear in the Claymores, which are more powerfull than they.
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You kno wwhat, why dont we see any claymore killing these guys. I mean galatea could have easily wiped them all out after hearing that she was gonna be replaced and that claymores were disposable pawns. I dont think they experimented to much but rather they didnt experiment enough. It definately has something to do with mirias knowlege anout the organizations secret and it may have to do with demon origins. Im itching to find out

[Defiled one]

Of course...There also much more things to tell about Claymores especially regarding their lack of fear for the defilation of their own body.
Theresa willingly offered her body to the thieves, who were highly disgusted by the appearence of it yet, later..One actually tried to rape her but, she seemed rather uncaring for his actions Which made me think of their past education. Claymores lack fear or interest :eyebrow: Their raising must have been the most cruel of the world.

But, this is what`s been bothering me.....:nono:
The order firstly used males, but they couldn`t hold it and then used females. Why not breed them? My doubt resides of they can`t breed for being hybrids or...the order tried that and..it ended very badly:argue:

As stated before by some comrades in here, Theresa origins were never truly explained when they began to doubt of Ophelia death by Clare. Yomas don`t appear out of nowhere nor awakened have feelings for humans as Priscilla and Raki....:twitch: This is getting to much tension.

[Xellos-_^]

I am hoping Miria will begin to explain what she learn about the Organization's secret. It has been 7 years, she should have told somebody by now.

[dutchman]

Finally received volume 7 by overseas mail :-) This series really got me hooked. To bad I have to wait for another few months for part 8 grrr. :upset:

Oh wel maybe the animated series will catch up by that time hehe.

[Defiled one]

I am hoping Miria will begin to explain what she learn about the Organization's secret. It has been 7 years, she should have told somebody by now.

:eyebrow: Not if...She wishes to be hunted down and killed :nono:

Don`t you think?

[Xellos-_^]

:eyebrow: Not if...She wishes to be hunted down and killed :nono:

Don`t you think?

They are being hunted now anyway, so what does it matter :eyebrow:

[shaselai]

You know, i always wondered what was so terrifying when Teresa showed the bandit's her body. Maybe it has a demon's head in the middle? Or horribly deformed?

[Xellos-_^]

You know, i always wondered what was so terrifying when Teresa showed the bandit's her body. Maybe it has a demon's head in the middle? Or horribly deformed?

They weren't terrify more like revolted. My guess it is scars form her battles with the demons.

[Defiled one]

They are being hunted now anyway, so what does it matter :eyebrow:


I have my theories that..if she reveals the secret...It might affect certain persons, if you know what I mean.

[coba]

I just finished reading volume 6. It is kinda curious who does Miria refer to when she said she hates being awoken by "her" ?

[cajunman380]

I am hoping Miria will begin to explain what she learn about the Organization's secret. It has been 7 years, she should have told somebody by now.

Im surprised she hasnt. I mean why wouldnt she? Theyve been left for dead nd if they return they may just get the ax for whatever reason. Plus as we have seen from galatea, they will probably be replaced anyways. Besides i cant see how the truth would cause such great distress considering a) they are already awakened, b) they are facing powerful enemies that my eviscerate them c)their already uncertain future (not that as claymores it was any different). We wont know till more info is shed on it.



They weren't terrify more like revolted. My guess it is scars form her battles with the demons.


I think its the result of demon fusion. In her case it was gruesome apparently. As for the one armed guy, well he felt that he just wanted to humiliate her except she really didnt give a dam. She didnt even consider herself as much of a human at the time till clare stepped in.

I just finished reading volume 6. It is kinda curious who does Miria refer to when she said she hates being awoken by "her" ?
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The person she is referring to is Ophellia or as i would say, the hot, sadistic bitch.

[Xellos-_^]

The person she is referring to is Ophellia or as i would say, the hot, sadistic bitch.

She also does one heck of a "oniichan" :p:heh::uhoh:

[Defiled one]

Aren`t we forgeting... About Raki?:eyebrow: The poor dude is..well unaware of two awakened and Priscilla is having the "hotsy botsy" for him while Easly behaves a little weird near Raki :twitch: causing a love triangle. As for Clare, she`s still trying to find Easly while Riful, is also having the "hotsy botsy" for Clare and her peers for possible candidates...and sudenly stuff happens:twitch: between Claris and Miata?! OH MY LORD! This plot is boiling me with anxiety!!

[cajunman380]

I hope that Raki does not wind up as a usless plot device. It will be nice to see where his feeligs lie between priscilla and Claire. I would like to see if he could possibly become the first successful male claymore. that would be nice instead of just killing him off which is what we all could probably see coming from far away. As for easly, I see him and raki having a fight somewhere down th eline. Clare and priscilla will defiately have their showdown. At this point im not sure what clarises role in the story is (i hope not another priscilla)

BTW question. Is there something wrong with priscilla, because from the way she talks its as though somethings wrong with her mind (aside from the fac tthat shes a gut eating demonic bitch)



BTW Defiled one where did you get your sig? its nice.

[Defiled one]

Well I agree with you but...

Priscilla is not faking, she knows what she is but...After a fight with Easly when they first met. Priscilla ended up with ammesia of prior happenings. She doesn`t know Clare nor does she know she killed Theresa. Priscilla is not that bad, what caused her to be like this was the order. She was always apologizing. If she does recover her memory she will try to take Raki away from Clare and probably fight her...but with things like this. I think Clare will not kill her...The enemy is something else. For example. How do you think Asley and Priscilla eat? They have to eat something and Im sure its not human entrails due to their location.
Nor do I blame Priscilla for the happenings...regarding Theresa death. She was not in control as any other Claymore. Clare also suffered that. But I dont know...

What? My picture?

[Xellos-_^]

I hope that Raki does not wind up as a usless plot device. It will be nice to see where his feeligs lie between priscilla and Claire. I would like to see if he could possibly become the first successful male claymore. that would be nice instead of just killing him off which is what we all could probably see coming from far away. As for easly, I see him and raki having a fight somewhere down th eline. Clare and priscilla will defiately have their showdown. At this point im not sure what clarises role in the story is (i hope not another priscilla)

BTW question. Is there something wrong with priscilla, because from the way she talks its as though somethings wrong with her mind (aside from the fac tthat shes a gut eating demonic bitch)



BTW Defiled one where did you get your sig? its nice.

I don't think Raki turn into a claymore is a good idea. It is basically a question of when not if a claymore will turns into a Awakening One. Other then a few rare cases, once you go beyond the limit, there is no going back. It would ruin the show if Raki manage to drag himself back form the limit becuase of his love for Claire or something equally cheese.

[cajunman380]

Priscilla is not faking, she knows what she is but...After a fight with Easly when they first met. Priscilla ended up with ammesia of prior happenings. She doesn`t know Clare nor does she know she killed Theresa. Priscilla is not that bad, what caused her to be like this was the order. She was always apologizing. If she does recover her memory she will try to take Raki away from Clare and probably fight her...but with things like this. I think Clare will not kill her...The enemy is something else. For example. How do you think Asley and Priscilla eat? They have to eat something and Im sure its not human entrails due to their location.
Nor do I blame Priscilla for the happenings...regarding Theresa death. She was not in control as any other Claymore. Clare also suffered that. But I dont know...

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I must disagree, I hold priscilla responsible for the teresa incident. Yes she was messed up by the order and they will probably fry in the future for it, but hey so did every other claymore, teresa included. It was Priscialls own arrogance and the need to win that made her awaken. Teresa who had a great opportunity to end her life decides to spare her and even tells her that she can come and challenge her nytime. and what does she do, she rushes after her nearing the awakening state. teresa and the number 3 claymore even warn her about awakening, but she does not listen. As a result she becomes an awakened one and in the process, kills teresa and her comrades. How is she not at least partly at fault for her actons? Yes she didnt understand teresas ideology at the time but still that doesnt mean that blame should be lifted from her. Teresa didnt know and yet she learned. Priscilla could have learned as well. She had no reason to go batshit like that.

As for claire. I think depending on the cicumstanc eshe may or may not kill her. It depends on Raki and his fate and wheter Priscilla shows repentance. Who knows.

As for food. Well Easly has been an awakened for nearly hundreds of years, he could have found an alternate food source (i dont think demons need to eart human flesh, just a preference). Or he could have set up an established system that gives him a rady food supply. Raki is smart but not near the level of experience of easly so i dont doubt easly could be doing stuff without his knowledge




I don't think Raki turn into a claymore is a good idea. It is basically a question of when not if a claymore will turns into a Awakening One. Other then a few rare cases, once you go beyond the limit, there is no going back. It would ruin the show if Raki manage to drag himself back form the limit becuase of his love for Claire or something equally cheese.


Well keep in mind much of what the order has said and what was believed by claymores in the past has been prioven false to a degree. We have witnesses several claymores who have been able to awaken and turn back (Claire, Heck she did it twice, Jean, Deneve, Helen, and Miria). Supposedly they have awakend and yet they still retain their humanity. I think there may be ways around it so I will dare say that theres a chance they can fully awaken and still retain their human side ala alicia anf beth.

As for raki being a claymore, honestly i was just throwing the idea out there. it sure beats him being another measy sacrificial lamb for claire (poor woman has lost enough people as is) I was just saying so that he wouldnt continue to be useless. Heck raki doesnt even need to be a claymore. He could have a weapn say forged from demon parts as an example.


What? My picture?

yup

[Xellos-_^]

Anyone want to explain why Rubel kept calling claymores claymores even though he's part of the organization? I don't why, but it kind of annoys considering claymores don't like being called claymores.

Also I was wondering, even though claymores are only half youma, do they ever get any kind of urges to eat humans? After seeing the change from human to youma in Clare she seemed like she was going to eat a human.

And yes I know the rule, I'm asking despite the fact they aren't allowed because they will get killed if they do.

Rubel and the organization don't really see the claymores as anything other disposable pawns. In thier opinion claymores are just things.


As for for your 2nd questions, Claymores don't have the urge to eat humans. Not unless they Awaken and become a awkening one.

[Crystal_Method]

Rubel and the organization don't really see the claymores as anything other disposable pawns. In thier opinion claymores are just things.


As for for your 2nd questions, Claymores don't have the urge to eat humans. Not unless they Awaken and become a awakening one.

That makes sense, the organization always treated claymores like shit, so I guess they don't really care what they they call them.

I think the story would be more interesting if claymores sometimes had the urge to eat humans. Well I guess the awakened claymores makes up for that.

I seriously need to buy volume 7...

[GundamZZ]

yup

Some people are camera shy. You can get the pictures from the JPN website.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4914/miliavsofiliazj3.jpg

The main plot is Clare's story. Killing monster of the month plot is getting old. Priscilla is created to be her arch nemesis. The secret of the syndicate belongs to Miria's storyline. It's no big deal. It's most likely they use child labor. When Clare first appears in volume 1, she's sixteen. In another word, all living claymores are teenagers. The syndicate doesn't want to raise the wage, so they state the best claymore doesn't live long. :)

[Grey]

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I must disagree, I hold priscilla responsible for the teresa incident. Yes she was messed up by the order and they will probably fry in the future for it, but hey so did every other claymore, teresa included. It was Priscialls own arrogance and the need to win that made her awaken. Teresa who had a great opportunity to end her life decides to spare her and even tells her that she can come and challenge her nytime. and what does she do, she rushes after her nearing the awakening state. teresa and the number 3 claymore even warn her about awakening, but she does not listen. As a result she becomes an awakened one and in the process, kills teresa and her comrades. How is she not at least partly at fault for her actons? Yes she didnt understand teresas ideology at the time but still that doesnt mean that blame should be lifted from her. Teresa didnt know and yet she learned. Priscilla could have learned as well. She had no reason to go batshit like that.

The fact that she had not apparent 'reason' to 'go batshit' is perhaps the best indicator that she was mentally unstable. As Priscilla's companions said, she was still a child--and it's hardly surprising that people with childhoods like the Claymores are not going to be perfectly calm and stable, especially early on.

If by saying "Priscilla's at fault" one means "Priscilla killed her comrades and Teresa", then that's obviously true.
If by saying "Priscilla's at fault" one means "Priscilla could have done otherwise", then this is not at all obvious. The philosophical debates on such matters are ugly, and there's hardly any final verdict from the sciences on whether there's "freedom to do otherwise".

So, all we really know is that Priscilla did go nuts, passed her limits, awakened, and killed people. The question really simply becomes, "can we sympathize with the fact that Priscilla went nuts?" For me it's a simple "sure". People handle different kinds of pressure and stress differently, and some people snap sooner than others.

[Defiled one]

I agree with Grey....

Youmas only kill because they need to feed. It`s rare to find a villains like this these days. Nowadays what we get is monster killing because they like to kill or they put a lame excuse like, I was born to kill humans. No, we don`t have these type of monsters:eyebrow: . But thats not the point here... Priscilla went nuts, she had reasons in her point of view, of doing what she did. She also killed humans for feeding and attacked her fellow Claymores in defense..that was a fact. Why she didnt killed Clare that time still remains unknown to me...Only Clare point of view told us the reasons. Priscilla remains docile and seems to be happy. Yet, if she does recover her memory...What will happen? For example, why Riful wants to awaken Clare and the others is not because they will obey her, but because if they awaken..they have no one to protect them with the exception of other awakened plus, Riful wants to kill Easly more than anything. Its kinda hard to blame everybody in here since all have vallid reasons..except the order who I still to understand. Priscilla might want the same thing to have company

[ickem]

Priscilla didn't kill Clare because she couldn't see her. Little girls just don't register in her brain so can't see them to kill them. We haven't found out why she can't see them, but it's probably because she was a little girl when she had to kill her father so it's like every young girl is herself.

[Key Board]

bah, if Raki gains any kind of power I will stop reading

That would be equivalent to Tate from Mai Hime suddenly getting a Child and kicking ass. Completely juvenile

no, I think his purpose will be

a chink in Priscilla's HAX armor

[shaselai]

bah, if Raki gains any kind of power I will stop reading

That would be equivalent to Tate from Mai Hime suddenly getting a Child and kicking ass. Completely juvenile

no, I think his purpose will be

a chink in Priscilla's HAX armor

I dont think Raki will be any more than a "skilled swordsMAN". He MAY become a claymore if its to save clare- i can see that happening and its not too cheesey.

[Key Board]

you probably have a higher tolerance for cheese then

That or we're not on the same chapter (I'm at chapter 71)

Anyway, this is what my crystal ball tells me

Clare manages to off Priscilla because Raki distracts her.

However, Raki is not very happy about it. After all he did live with Pris for 7 years among other things

Raki decides to avenge Pris. He becomes an awaken by taking Priscilla's flesh into himself

more claymores die. screaming. drama. wow

Clare goes MIA

Claris and gang become the new lead for now

[Nightengale]

Hmm...

Shouldn't Raki turn into a Claymore if he consumes Priscilla's flesh though? Granted, males has the awakening tendecy, but Awakens shouldn't too much different from youmas, other than being way more powerful.

However, if Raki ever turns into an Awakened, I think it will signal the end of the manga, especially if the Claymore organization's secret is already revealed and done with.

Both of them turning awakened, fighting and dying...doesn't seem too bad.

I hope Raki turns out for the better in terms of character after the timeskip though. It was fine when he's still a kid, but not after 7 years you don't. Hope he picks up from Easley a little.

[ccardoso]

Hmm...

Shouldn't Raki turn into a Claymore if he consumes Priscilla's flesh though? Granted, males has the awakening tendecy, but Awakens shouldn't too much different from youmas, other than being way more powerful.

However, if Raki ever turns into an Awakened, I think it will signal the end of the manga, especially if the Claymore organization's secret is already revealed and done with.

Both of them turning awakened, fighting and dying...doesn't seem too bad.

I hope Raki turns out for the better in terms of character after the timeskip though. It was fine when he's still a kid, but not after 7 years you don't. Hope he picks up from Easley a little.
Raki is the woman of the story so what do you except from him? :D

[Xellos-_^]

Just thought of something, the money collecting guy Rubel. Is he the same guy form Therese's arc and back further to when Lucera and Rafala were still Claymore.

If he is how old is he? And what is he?

If someone came look into the manga and check if they are the same guy then we got our first absolute proof the people in charge of the organization is not Human.

[Defiled one]

He apparently is immortal, meaning he doesn`t age or get sick, but he can die if someone cuts his head off, I think. :eyebrow:
The only beings that stop aging are the awakened ones. When a Claymore is awakened its stops aging. Either Rubel is an awakened working for the order or something else. Youmas existed as the same time as humans..I wouldn`t be suprised if the order, were just the descendents of the natural crossing of Youmas and Humans...As Clare suffered with the horny Youma :dots: Which made me think.
When Clare saw her wounds..and murmured "Doesnt it hurt?!" all over, made me wonder if Theresa had an encounter with an Youma as a child. Since Theresa was sold and all, she is the key of the plot in my opinion.

Raki is, well the woman...And he must have pheromones for all I know, that makes awakened atempt getting in to his pants!:heh: :bow:Life saviour I tell you.

[Xellos-_^]

He apparently is immortal, meaning he doesn`t age or get sick, but he can die if someone cuts his head off, I think. :eyebrow:
The only beings that stop aging are the awakened ones. When a Claymore is awakened its stops aging.


Actually all Claymores do not age. Irene pretty much said to Clare that if Theresa is still alive she would not look a day older then she did when she first meet Clare. So not just the Awaken Ones don't age, all Claymores don't age.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Claymores don't show any physical signs of aging, but they will die of old age though, at least that's what I get from what Elena said to Claire.

[Tsukiyomi]

The council Elders of the organiziation doping on those suppresant pills is a good idea. I also think that the Elders creation Claymores and researching in Demon-Human fusion is for personal gain. They use Claymores to kill demons and make money for them to continue their scientific research in demon DNA and to find some way to create Immortality?

So why do the Elders all look inhuman in a way is probably because they have injected themselves with Demon blood, but not the flesh. So they have prolonged life, but they just keep aging and look like crap because they haven't perfected the method of creating a 100% demonfied human who can retain their consciousness.

[wuabel]

is there a way we can request a board for claymore subcatagory in the "current anime" board?

Sorry if this is the wrong board to ask.

[cajunman380]

The fact that she had not apparent 'reason' to 'go batshit' is perhaps the best indicator that she was mentally unstable. As Priscilla's companions said, she was still a child--and it's hardly surprising that people with childhoods like the Claymores are not going to be perfectly calm and stable, especially early on.

If by saying "Priscilla's at fault" one means "Priscilla killed her comrades and Teresa", then that's obviously true.
If by saying "Priscilla's at fault" one means "Priscilla could have done otherwise", then this is not at all obvious. The philosophical debates on such matters are ugly, and there's hardly any final verdict from the sciences on whether there's "freedom to do otherwise".

So, all we really know is that Priscilla did go nuts, passed her limits, awakened, and killed people. The question really simply becomes, "can we sympathize with the fact that Priscilla went nuts?" For me it's a simple "sure". People handle different kinds of pressure and stress differently, and some people snap sooner than others.

I agree with several of your points. I should probably clarify my position on the matter. Do i give a greater portion of the blame to priscialla. In my opinion I do. The organization is to blame certainly (but they got enough crap on themselves so the point is moot to say the least), Theresa can have some of th eblame as well as the claymore sthat accompanied her, but i put heavy emphasis on prscilla becaus eshe is supposedly trained for this sort of situation. SHe was warned about the dangers of awakening and the fact that she was facing the #1 claymore who was the best of the best should have given her some idea that she may hve been outmatched. Was her reaction reasonable, well for me it was to a certain extent. It felt to me like she was trying to be a perfect claymore an dwhen her ideals were threatened she just got all angry. I dunno i just feel that compared to other claymores (especially those who became claymores as a result of priscillay actions, im looking at you clare and ophellia). Priscilla doesnt really have as much reason. Weve seen claymores who were torured to be awakened, awakened becaus of extremem emotional stress or they exceeded their limits ina battle for their life or during experimentation gone wrong. Priscilla wasnt exactly in any danger of losing her life nor did she lose a fried right before. It also doesnt help that i dont know much of priscillas backstory and until she at least shows some remorse i cant say i symphathize. Just my opinion but you bring up valid points.

Youmas only kill because they need to feed. It`s rare to find a villains like this these days. Nowadays what we get is monster killing because they like to kill or they put a lame excuse like, I was born to kill humans. No, we don`t have these type of monsters . But thats not the point here... Priscilla went nuts, she had reasons in her point of view, of doing what she did. She also killed humans for feeding and attacked her fellow Claymores in defense..that was a fact. Why she didnt killed Clare that time still remains unknown to me...Only Clare point of view told us the reasons. Priscilla remains docile and seems to be happy. Yet, if she does recover her memory...What will happen? For example, why Riful wants to awaken Clare and the others is not because they will obey her, but because if they awaken..they have no one to protect them with the exception of other awakened plus, Riful wants to kill Easly more than anything. Its kinda hard to blame everybody in here since all have vallid reasons..except the order who I still to understand. Priscilla might want the same thing to have company



Actually that sort of information about youmas can be taken with some grain of salt. Most of clares information comes from the organization and weve seen how wrong they have been in the past. I believe they dont need to feed on em but they just prefer it. (like vampires who dont need to feed on humas for blood but do so out of preference). As for why priscilla didnt seem to care about clare. clare at the time was the rugh equivalent to an ant in the road and priscilla just killed a bunch of trexes. She was on a power trip an dshes not gonna really care about someone who doesnt even seem to register. Priscilla is a walking time bomb and i cant honestly form an opinion of her until she reagians her memory and she how her personality is.

As for ritful, you know she could have very easily made clare and her fellow claymores a svaluable allies except she seems to feel that they have to be like her in order for them to join her demon club and she has no qualms about how to go about it (torture etc). Plus we dont know if ritfuls motives can change. Until i see these demons capable of showing a variety of emotions i cant form an accuarate statement. Ritful from what i can gather seems to respect clare an dher group to a certain extent though (she does need to get rid of daf though). As for easly, once prscilla gains her memory and picks raki, bye bye.



bah, if Raki gains any kind of power I will stop reading

That would be equivalent to Tate from Mai Hime suddenly getting a Child and kicking ass. Completely juvenile


except the tate in the mai hime manga was pretty dam important in order for the Himes to use their childs. He wasnt powerful but he helped out. Thats all im saying. Maybe have a sword made out of demon parts (vary the kinds of weapons used)


Ill post more later on.........

[Key Board]

The Mai Hime manga was painful

Let's put it directly

Tate was god darn Mary Sue character. :spit:

[flick]

OMG ... just finished reading volume 5... to put it mildly my mind is fluttering all over the place! I feel really upset about what happened to Teresa but thankfully it was all over quickly. I haven't been such an avid manga reader for a while but this series has gripped me.

I like Raki... I hope he really turns out to be a great guy, although as a human its evident even the best warriors cannot equal a Claymore, so potentially he may well become one? Although from my current understanding its supposed to take a while to train and get used to it all?

[Xellos-_^]

OMG ... just finished reading volume 5... to put it mildly my mind is fluttering all over the place! I feel really upset about what happened to Teresa but thankfully it was all over quickly. I haven't been such an avid manga reader for a while but this series has gripped me.

I like Raki... I hope he really turns out to be a great guy, although as a human its evident even the best warriors cannot equal a Claymore, so potentially he may well become one? Although from my current understanding its supposed to take a while to train and get used to it all?

Years,

Claire was a little girl when she went up the organization to voluntary to become a claymore and we see at the start of vol1 that she is in her late teens/early 20s. We also know that since Claymore's don't show any sign of aging, it probalby took Claire 10+ years of surgery and training become what she is today.

[ccardoso]

I like Raki... I hope he really turns out to be a great guy, although as a human its evident even the best warriors cannot equal a Claymore, so potentially he may well become one? Although from my current understanding its supposed to take a while to train and get used to it all?
Raki is the woman of the series... so don't put any hope in him. He's one of the worse losers I've seen in a manga.

[Defiled one]

Well, Raki is a nice guy but thats just it. He does what he can but, lets face it. He is a human.

Anyway I have a doubt, more of like a rumur that been haunting me since yesterday.

Okay, I heard that Theresa was going to be ressurrected. I don`t know if this is true or not so, Im asking if this is just a rumor or is it real?:twitch: Cause Im sure excited if this turns out to be true. But I have seen the 11 volumes and some parts of the 12..although I dont have the 12 in my hands I wanted to know if this was true or not

[cajunman380]

Okay, I heard that Theresa was going to be ressurrected. I don`t know if this is true or not so, Im asking if this is just a rumor or is it real? Cause Im sure excited if this turns out to be true. But I have seen the 11 volumes and some parts of the 12..although I dont have the 12 in my hands I wanted to know if this was true or not

My theory


I believe its just a rumor though its actually plausible for her to come back. remember clair has teresas flesh and blood inside her. More like her head. We know demons can retain memories of human hosts and that they regenerate. My theory is that if clare actually awakens, then instead of the demon portion taking dominance, theresas persona will take over. Its an interesting concept and given what clare is, would make a whole lot of sense. Plus theresa is pretty popular and they fab 4 need to find ways to power up to take on the big shots.

[flick]

LOL 10+ years of surgery hehe :D

Having just finished reading volume 6, I couldn't help but think 4-musketeers. ^^ However, if I've correctly read some of the spoilers for later chapters


Raki ends up with Priscilla?!?! I mean.. WHAT?! Talk about Clare being heart broken grr ness. Poor girl has already lost Teresa (well, she's still in there somewhere) and now Raki as well. If thats the case Raki is the new Shinji (Evangelion) or something and its better if Clare ends up with Galk. At least he's a true hero of a man, who even comes with his patent/trademark scar!

[flick]

I've now finished reading up to volume 12... talk about highs and lows! Its quite exciting seeing all the new techniques but
Raki hasn't made an appearance yet

Also one thing that bugs me:

The 'new generation' third and fifth seeds annoy me ... very very much

There are alot of loose threads hanging!

And we still don't see whats so scary about the stomachy area of a Claymore? It seems the high end claymores can revert back to looking human?
Finally: Easley is phraw! :D I'm impressed that they thought of a centaur/sagittarius as his awakened being look.

[ickem]

I've now finished reading up to volume 12... talk about highs and lows! Its quite exciting seeing all the new techniques but
Raki hasn't made an appearance yet

Also one thing that bugs me:

The 'new generation' third and fifth seeds annoy me ... very very much

There are alot of loose threads hanging!

And we still don't see whats so scary about the stomachy area of a Claymore? It seems the high end claymores can revert back to looking human?
Finally: Easley is phraw! :D I'm impressed that they thought of a centaur/sagittarius as his awakened being look.

From we've seen, the new generation as a whole are pretty annoying. I guess it happens when a lot of the strong awakened ones have been purged by the previous generation. All of the single digits that we've seen, other than that Miata girl because we haven't seen much of her, have been pretty full of themselves. Audrey and Rachel are exceptional in that they are so arrogant yet aren't even good enough to realize the Riful was doing her best to suppress her youma aura. I really liked the rude awakening she game them though.

I want to find out what Riful found that would give her a chance against Priscilla though. After thinking about it, I'm beginning to think that she found Rushiela's corpse. Afterall, it was still completely intact since Rafaela only broke her back.

It'll be interesting to see if Raki found out what Easrey and Priscilla really are after these seven years. He'd have to be pretty dense to not notice that villages get destroyed wherever they go. And he's probably a pretty damned good swordsman after all this time.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Volume 12 is out in Japan? Any chance I could get a link to it? :p

Over the topic of Raki, unless something completely out there happens Raki will probably be staying human. He seems to be the human anchor of the series, considering all other major characters are 1/2 Yoma or Awakened

just my 2 cents

[flick]

From we've seen, the new generation as a whole are pretty annoying. I guess it happens when a lot of the strong awakened ones have been purged by the previous generation. All of the single digits that we've seen, other than that Miata girl because we haven't seen much of her, have been pretty full of themselves. Audrey and Rachel are exceptional in that they are so arrogant yet aren't even good enough to realize the Riful was doing her best to suppress her youma aura. I really liked the rude awakening she game them though.

I want to find out what Riful found that would give her a chance against Priscilla though. After thinking about it, I'm beginning to think that she found Rushiela's corpse. Afterall, it was still completely intact since Rafaela only broke her back.

It'll be interesting to see if Raki found out what Easrey and Priscilla really are after these seven years. He'd have to be pretty dense to not notice that villages get destroyed wherever they go. And he's probably a pretty damned good swordsman after all this time.

You're so right about that

If I've understood it at least one of them should be in the footsteps of Galatea, but she doesn't even have half of her ability if she couldn't even sense the surpressed youma aura! It was quite a shocking thing for them (respect your elders is the take home message :p) - I was quite on Riful's side for most of that combat session hehe.

I must have missed something because I didn't see Riful with 'her man' (as she puts it) and she's in her 'awakened' rather than child form in that last chapter) I must re-read that part as I hadn't realised she had 'found' something to beat the two. I'm also confused about the relationship between Easrey/Easley and Priscilla - he seems to like her but she is more expressive of her fondness for Raki?

Agreed re: Raki -> swordsman. After all that practice. I would be extremely surprised if Raki was dim enough (as you say) not to notice that he was living with awakened beings after all this time... seeing as they rarely eat and especially as he did see one when Ophelia was beating the cr*p out of him very early on as an innocent looking girl. Perhaps he's forgotten this? Plus, after 7 years, Priscilla won't have changed in looks (they don't, if I remember correct) so its bound to seem a little fishy because she should have grown into a woman?

[ickem]

You're so right about that

If I've understood it at least one of them should be in the footsteps of Galatea, but she doesn't even have half of her ability if she couldn't even sense the surpressed youma aura! It was quite a shocking thing for them (respect your elders is the take home message :p) - I was quite on Riful's side for most of that combat session hehe.

I must have missed something because I didn't see Riful with 'her man' (as she puts it) and she's in her 'awakened' rather than child form in that last chapter) I must re-read that part as I hadn't realised she had 'found' something to beat the two. I'm also confused about the relationship between Easrey/Easley and Priscilla - he seems to like her but she is more expressive of her fondness for Raki?

Agreed re: Raki -> swordsman. After all that practice. I would be extremely surprised if Raki was dim enough (as you say) not to notice that he was living with awakened beings after all this time... seeing as they rarely eat and especially as he did see one when Ophelia was beating the cr*p out of him very early on as an innocent looking girl. Perhaps he's forgotten this? Plus, after 7 years, Priscilla won't have changed in looks (they don't, if I remember correct) so its bound to seem a little fishy because she should have grown into a woman?

Well, the organization has a new "eye," I forget her name, but she can't be ranked higher than 6 since we already know numbers 5 through 3 and 1 and 2 have to be Beth and Alicia. As for why Priscilla is so attached to Raki, I think she just likes him because she subconsciously sees him as a link to her lost humanity. Remember that she was very much on the side that sees Claymores as protecting humans and would still be so if it weren't for her metal instability. We have constantly been shown that humans in the Claymore world are usually selfish and prejudiced so Raki seems like an example of what humans can be if they didn't give into their baser instincts. He is like the only human that has been able to view Claymores without bias. So despite how annoying he was as a sidekick before the time skip, I do have an appreciation for what he represents.

Riful tells Clare that she found something interesting after Clare asks why Riful wants her as a comrade since she is so weak when compared to both Riful and Priscilla. She needs someone that is good as sensing youma auras because if they're good at sensing them, the person has a chance of being able to control youma auras i.e. how Galatea and that awakened one in the Pieta could.

[GundamZZ]

Rene is different. Rubel could find Raphaelia with ease because he had EYE to look for him. It means EYE can still find Claymore even they hide all their yoki. The organization doesn't use EYE because they are used to chick out from issues. They have history to underestimate the power of past number 1s. They can also underestimate the survivors.

[ickem]

Rene is different. Rubel could find Raphaelia with ease because he had EYE to look for him. It means EYE can still find Claymore even they hide all their yoki. The organization doesn't use EYE because they are used to chick out from issues. They have history to underestimate the power of past number 1s. They can also underestimate the survivors.

Actually Rubel didn't find Rafaela due to the eye, but because his instincts were good enough for him to guess where she would be.

He did say that even if he were able to read youki, it would be impossible to find her anyway, the same way he said that no one would be able to find Miria and company now that Rafaela was dead. So the only people that can find someone that has completely suppresses their youki for so long is someone else who has suppressed it. I guess Elene was different in that she found herself a great place to hide. Anyway, overall it seems the new generation of Claymores is quite a bit inferior to the previous generation. Actually I'm thinking that Galatea is probably still alive considering she smart enough to realize that her days in the organization were numbered. Plus, she didn't seem like the type of person to just let the organization send her to her death once they found a new eye and they probably didn't have anyone good enough to be able to find her if she deserted.

[dutchman]

Hello I hope someone can answer my question.

Last week I received and finished vol. 7. But after that clifhanger I couldn't restrain myself anymore and I downloaded and read (ahum watched pictures lol) the raws of volume 8 to 11 +.

With the help of this forum and wikipedia I somehow managed to get the gist of the story. However this is my question Since Clare during the N. campaign managed to hold of nr.8 Flora in a duel. And later on managed to kill an uber-awakened who effordlessly killed 4 high ranking other claymores.

How high is exactly her current (post N-campaign) rank??? I mean it can't be nr. 47 anymore right? I feel that she at least should be an single digit by now. She can even match skills with 'Phantom' Miria (nr.6) by now.

I really hope someone knows.

Regards,

Dutchman

[cajunman380]

How high is exactly her current (post N-campaign) rank??? I mean it can't be nr. 47 anymore right? I feel that she at least should be an single digit by now. She can even match skills with 'Phantom' Miria (nr.6) by now.

Hope this can help


As phantom Miria commented during the end of the slashers arc. Claire, Helen, Deneve, And Miria have already Awakened so they are technically a m,atch for the lower single digits. This is before the timeskip. In claires case in particular i believe she was definately around the rank 6-8 range. Post time skip i would imagine her to maybe be in the top 5. (with the newer generation she would definately be in the top 3 assuming the Alice sisters are still in there). To answer your question she is definately a single digit but it just so happenes that she faces enemies who are La creme de la creme. Or the big boys (namely,, Ritful, Easly and priscilla. I dont count daft because the four claymores (or the fab 4) could probably kick his ass). Unltimately, she isnt number 47 anymore and she hasnt been for a while.

Rene is different. Rubel could find Raphaelia with ease because he had EYE to look for him. It means EYE can still find Claymore even they hide all their yoki. The organization doesn't use EYE because they are used to chick out from issues. They have history to underestimate the power of past number 1s. They can also underestimate the survivors.



Question. What exactly is the EYE? and has Galateas or Raphaelas demise ultimately been confirmed?

[Defiled one]

Since Clare during the N. campaign managed to hold of nr.8 Flora in a duel. And later on managed to kill an uber-awakened who effordlessly killed 4 high ranking other claymores.

How high is exactly her current (post N-campaign) rank??? I mean it can't be nr. 47 anymore right? I feel that she at least should be an single digit by now. She can even match skills with 'Phantom' Miria (nr.6) by now.



Well, I doubt she has a rank:uhoh: now. Considering these 7 years in hideout and training I might think that Clare and the other were casted out. The order wants to kill them, that is a fact due to their half-awakened state, thus they always send them in suicide missions. If not killing them directly, kill them indirectly:rolleyes: Now Clare is without a doubt, a higher one. Killing Ophelia proved that. Even though she has to train alot, their power is still unknown. It´s like this, they are in the pinacle of their halfbreed capacities and the only way to evolve is to awaken, something that Riful wants at all costs. Clare has Theresa flesh and powers so...Im guessing a one or 4 between them

[ickem]

The eye just refers to the warrior that is designated by the organization to be its "eye."
In other words it is the warrior who is created specifically to be good at sensing youki and can act as the organization's intelligence gathering machine. Galatea was the previous eye, but she was getting too rebellious so they planned to get rid of her once the new eye was ready for service. The present eye is Rene and she is like ranked from somewhere from 6 to 9.

As for the fab four's ranking as of the time skip, they are definitely good enough to be ranked between 5 and 1. Miria and Clare specifically are probably good enough to be 1 or 2, although not as powerful as Alicia when transformed. Clare probably also has a way to go before being as good as Teresa was since shounen manga law dictates that she can only surpass Teresa while on screen and not during a time skip. Helen and Deneb at likely at least good enough to be ranked 3rd in this generation considering how they handled themselves when dealing with Riful. Clare will have to become at least as good at reading youki as Teresa was if she wants to have a chance at beating Priscilla though.

Rafaela is almost certainly dead since Rubel said that she was, plus the fact that her only reason for living was to kill Rushiella. Galatea is a different matter though, since, like Miria, she didn't seem like the type to let the organization get rid of her so easily. She was also easily good enough and powerful enough to desert the organization and stay undetected for 7 years. My guess is that she is alive somewhere.

[Fenrir_valindri]

All this talk of volume 12 is realy making me wish i had the RAW for it :P, anyone got a link? or know where i could find a working one? :(

Sorry for breaking into the conversastion.

[dutchman]

Cajunman380, Defiled one thank you for both your answers. This confirmed indeed what I myself was already suspecting.

(Beware mega mega long spoiler you were warned…)

Namely that both Clare and her 3 other (half?)awakened companions are currently among the high-ranking claymores.

Still it makes me wonder about a few things. At the end of the slasher’s arc Miria told them to be a match against all other claymores equal or below her rank (6). But she also mentioned that they would stand no chance against rank 5 and higher.

1. In the Ophelia arc this statement was confirmed. Clare stood in her normal and (half) awakened form absolute no chance against Ophelia who was constantly taunting her about being weak. (this means that the power gap must be indeed very large).

2. However when Clare learned the quick sword technique and got the arm of Ilena she basically got an upgrade of ½ the speed and power of the former rank 2. (Clare’s speed was originally 1/10 compared to that of Ilena before receiving Ilena’s arm)

This combined with Clare’s excellent yoma sense (inherited from Theresa) enabled Clare to kill quite easily the awakened Ophelia!! This feels is a bit weird cause since Ophelia was awakened her power should have grown even more powerful then she already was (although before she got owned bad in non awakened form by Ilena...)

So this was the first time I was wondering where to put Clare’s power.

I presume the synergy effect of having excellent yoma sense (which helps predicting enemy movements) combined with the added speed from Ilena (lets presume she has a speed of 6/10 on the Ilena scale hehe) is enough to have her ranking around 9-4 at that time. (I don’t think Clare was/is stronger then Rafaela since I suspect that Rafaela was stronger then her actual rank displayed)

3. While battling Rifu and Daft together with Jean a Galatea it showed that Clare’s skills and control over both her Yoma power and Ilena’s quick sword technique had improved drastically.

4. During the N-Campaign she fought the nr.8 Flora to a draw (which is weird since I feel Clare by that time should be able to best the nr.8… based on her previous (defeating nr4 ..) achievements.

5. Clare almost fully awakens during the final stage of the N-Campaign and managed to kill Ligurd(?) the uber awakened commander who himself had killed high-ranking Claymores like they were nothing.

So in summary (finally lol) I do agree with Cajunman330 / Defiled one that Clare currently definitely belongs in the current top 3-4.

Sadly her current strength is still not near enough to take on Priscilla so I guess she has a lot more powering up to do hehe:-)

Regards,

Dutchman

PS lets hope MadHouse has enough budget available to animate all the upcoming action sequences…

[Key Board]

Actually...


Sophia didn't care about Clare's strength. She already acknowledged that Clare's right arm was way beyond her.

What she wanted to test was her Flash Sword skill. Sophia is a rather unique Claymore in which she has a warrior's pride instead of just being a professional demon butcher / just trying to survive.

The conclusion of that clash showed that Clare's flash sword was faster, but Sophia's flash sword hits harder.

It is mildly implied that Clare's new post time jump flash sword has been improved by taking what she learned from Sophia's skill.

Overall rank wise I would say


SSS rank
Awakened Priscilla

SS rank
Riful (Strongest among the 3 lords. Feared by Easley before he acquired Pris)
Easley
Lucetia
Alicia and Beth (anti lord weapon)

S rank
Theresa
Priscilla

AAA rank
Ricardo
Clare w/ 4 awakened limbs
Daf

AA rank
Rafaela
Irene

A+ rank
2nd era Milia
2nd era Clare
Galatea
Ophelia

A rank
2nd era Helen
2nd era Deneb
1st era Milia
Clare w/ the arm!

B rank
1st era Helen
1st era Deneb

C rank
1st era Clare half awakened (overall value. she gains several ranks when facing awakened beings)

D rank
1st era Clare unmodded

E rank
Claris

[Defiled one]

The new ranks are very strong but arrogant. The number one digits are ranked because of their ability of control the awakened, those sisters know that. The new rank 47, called Claris is the only one that has, her feet in to the ground in a sense. Clare and her team are only fighting because they want revenge. After that, they won`t go for the order because. Let´s face it, they spent 7 years in hideout for a reason and it wasn`t because of the awakened. The order wants their head. And I agree, Clare won`t be able to fight Priscilla, not even if Clare gets awakened. If Clare and her team really want to improve and fight, they must acept the offer Riful gave to them. Rifull needs someone to neutralize Priscilla abilities. Clare and priscilla are the oposites of their power. One can hide their youma, the other can sense Youma.

[herbert]

Overall rank wise I would say


SSS rank
Awakened Priscilla

SS rank
Riful (Strongest among the 3 lords. Feared by Easley before he acquired Pris)
Easley
Lucetia
Alicia and Beth (anti lord weapon)

S rank
Theresa
Priscilla

AAA rank
Ricardo
Clare w/ 4 awakened limbs
Daf

AA rank
Rafaela
Irene

A+ rank
2nd era Milia
2nd era Clare
Galatea
Ophelia

A rank
2nd era Helen
2nd era Deneb
1st era Milia
Clare w/ the arm!

B rank
1st era Helen
1st era Deneb

C rank
1st era Clare half awakened (overall value. she gains several ranks when facing awakened beings)

D rank
1st era Clare unmodded

E rank
Claris

IMO, you shouldn't put Teresa and un-awaken Priscilla in same rank. Priscilla can beat Priscilla who is already at her limit (80% IIRC0 just with the power of changing eye-color (10%-20% IIRC). Priscilla can kill Teresa becasue she is awaken and catches Teresa off-guard.

[liujeffqi]

Actually...


It is mildly implied that Clare's new post time jump flash sword has been improved by taking what she learned from Sophia's skill.


Clare can't use her quick/flash sword anymore because it require use yoki so she stop using it and learned the wind cutter (Pophia's skill)

Irene got killed because she used the skill and got track down by Rafaela

Cajunman380, Defiled one thank you for both your answers. This confirmed indeed what I myself was already suspecting.

(Beware mega mega long spoiler you were warned…)

Namely that both Clare and her 3 other (half?)awakened companions are currently among the high-ranking claymores.

Still it makes me wonder about a few things. At the end of the slasher’s arc Miria told them to be a match against all other claymores equal or below her rank (6). But she also mentioned that they would stand no chance against rank 5 and higher.

1. In the Ophelia arc this statement was confirmed. Clare stood in her normal and (half) awakened form absolute no chance against Ophelia who was constantly taunting her about being weak. (this means that the power gap must be indeed very large).

2. However when Clare learned the quick sword technique and got the arm of Ilena she basically got an upgrade of ½ the speed and power of the former rank 2. (Clare’s speed was originally 1/10 compared to that of Ilena before receiving Ilena’s arm)

This combined with Clare’s excellent yoma sense (inherited from Theresa) enabled Clare to kill quite easily the awakened Ophelia!! This feels is a bit weird cause since Ophelia was awakened her power should have grown even more powerful then she already was (although before she got owned bad in non awakened form by Ilena...)

So this was the first time I was wondering where to put Clare’s power.

I presume the synergy effect of having excellent yoma sense (which helps predicting enemy movements) combined with the added speed from Ilena (lets presume she has a speed of 6/10 on the Ilena scale hehe) is enough to have her ranking around 9-4 at that time. (I don’t think Clare was/is stronger then Rafaela since I suspect that Rafaela was stronger then her actual rank displayed)

3. While battling Rifu and Daft together with Jean a Galatea it showed that Clare’s skills and control over both her Yoma power and Ilena’s quick sword technique had improved drastically.

4. During the N-Campaign she fought the nr.8 Flora to a draw (which is weird since I feel Clare by that time should be able to best the nr.8… based on her previous (defeating nr4 ..) achievements.

5. Clare almost fully awakens during the final stage of the N-Campaign and managed to kill Ligurd(?) the uber awakened commander who himself had killed high-ranking Claymores like they were nothing.

So in summary (finally lol) I do agree with Cajunman330 / Defiled one that Clare currently definitely belongs in the current top 3-4.





1. i won't count that fight since Ophelia was actually helping Clare to able to get use to her new arm and last longer using the new ability. (before that fight her quick sword can only last 1 min. Therefore Ophelia is going easy on Clare and trying to help her because she want to die after she realize she is awaken

2. By that time i say Clair still only able to match lower single digits. because when she using the quick sword technique she is not controlling the sword... it is like just let it go berserk so her yoki sense ability is useless at that time so i say she stay at same spot. the reason Galatea doing bad in that fight is because she is the eye not for fighting purpose also she is defense type nothing much she can do so don't compare her with Clair.

3. that part she increased her aiming but not damage so i say she still staying with lower single digit. because i still don't think she able to beat down the old Ophelia yet (before she awaken)

4. it is a draw but actually i say Clare lose the dual since she fall down first, if u look at chapter u see she is on the floor first but i still say she is no. 7 power since that is a dual and she didn't try to go over her limit to beat down no. 8 (there is no need to try so hard. So Clare actually hold back in that dual

5. Clair kill the lion king because that guy totally ignore all non-leader claymore therefore give the Clair the only and time to awaken and kill him. he want to wipe out everyone. Clair could be dead already. but he is a dumb ass only focus on the leader, so Clair got lucky but that awaken also cost the life of Jean (she could have recover and survived if she go over her limit instead saving Clair)

as the current time in manga Clair and all her party members can be amount the top numbers except no 1 and 2 since rank 3 are pretty weak as we see also i believe Raphaelia and Galatea are either dead or hiding some where but for sure they are not with the organization since there is new no 5 and eye. so the organization are pretty weak now except the number 1 and 2 however there is one more girl the organization has who could be the next no 1. we don't know how strong she is yet but might another good card the organization holding. other than that Claire and her friends could totally kick rest Claymore's *** pretty bad.

let's hope our goddess getting stronger and stronger (reason i call Clair goddess because she got both name of the twin goddess, her name is one and Theresa is inside her. so she will be god like in the end for sure, also she is 1/4 yoma 3/4 human is that mean she can add another piece of yoma or 2 more piece of other claymore inside her to become 3/4 yoma and 1/4 human??? if that is true she has alot room to power up)


i heard the anime will be 50 eps but right now it is disappointing me alot i just hope they do a good job at Theresa part because that is a very important part in the story since everything happening is around that event.

[ickem]

1. i won't count that fight since Ophelia was actually helping Clare to able to get use to her new arm and last longer using the new ability. (before that fight her quick sword can only last 1 min. Therefore Ophelia is going easy on Clare and trying to help her because she want to die after she realize she is awaken

2. By that time i say Clair still only able to match lower single digits. because when she using the quick sword technique she is not controlling the sword... it is like just let it go berserk so her yoki sense ability is useless at that time so i say she stay at same spot. the reason Galatea doing bad in that fight is because she is the eye not for fighting purpose also she is defense type nothing much she can do so don't compare her with Clair.

3. that part she increased her aiming but not damage so i say she still staying with lower single digit. because i still don't think she able to beat down the old Ophelia yet (before she awaken)

4. it is a draw but actually i say Clare lose the dual since she fall down first, if u look at chapter u see she is on the floor first but i still say she is no. 7 power since that is a dual and she didn't try to go over her limit to beat down no. 8 (there is no need to try so hard. So Clare actually hold back in that dual

5. Clair kill the lion king because that guy totally ignore all non-leader claymore therefore give the Clair the only and time to awaken and kill him. he want to wipe out everyone. Clair could be dead already. but he is a dumb ass only focus on the leader, so Clair got lucky but that awaken also cost the life of Jean (she could have recover and survived if she go over her limit instead saving Clair)

as the current time in manga Clair and all her party members can be amount the top numbers except no 1 and 2 since rank 3 are pretty weak as we see also i believe Raphaelia and Galatea are either dead or hiding some where but for sure they are not with the organization since there is new no 5 and eye. so the organization are pretty weak now except the number 1 and 2 however there is one more girl the organization has who could be the next no 1. we don't know how strong she is yet but might another good card the organization holding. other than that Claire and her friends could totally kick rest Claymore's *** pretty bad.

let's hope our goddess getting stronger and stronger (reason i call Clair goddess because she got both name of the twin goddess, her name is one and Theresa is inside her. so she will be god like in the end for sure, also she is 1/4 yoma 3/4 human is that mean she can add another piece of yoma or 2 more piece of other claymore inside her to become 3/4 yoma and 1/4 human??? if that is true she has alot room to power up)


i heard the anime will be 50 eps but right now it is disappointing me alot i just hope they do a good job at Theresa part because that is a very important part in the story since everything happening is around that event.

Actually, while Ophelia did help Clare fuse with her new arm, she was mainly testing to she if she was worthy of going after Priscilla. And the one minute time limit referred to when Clare was using her own left arm using the Kousoku Ken. Also, after Clare got Elaine's arm, her Kousoku Ken became half as fast and power as Elaine's was. So I'm of the opinion that Clare could have taken out non-awakened Ophelia without too much trouble.

As for Galatea, I don't think she was a defensive type since she had the highest proportional increase in power out of all the warriors once she released her youma power. Galatea was doing bad in the fight not because she was weak, but because Daf was damned strong. He was number 3 before he awakened, so even if he is pretty stupid, he was only behind Rigard and Easrey in power.

Rigard's plan was actually pretty good and he really shouldn't be faulted for dismissing Clare. She was, after all, pretty insignificant before she transformed and she was unable to turn back without Jean's help. Had Clare not transformed all 4 limbs, everyone would have died. So overall, Rigard didn't really do anything wrong since he couldn't have foreseen that someone could go beyond their limits and still keep enough of their will to be a threat to him, not to mention being able to return.

The "fight" against Flora didn't really tell us anything except that Clare's version of the Kousoku Ken and the Windcutter are basically equal in power. The likely reason for Clare falling first is that it was just one of those storytelling tricks that try to throw the reader off balance. Notice that Flora started bleeding second too.

I feel that the anime is done pretty well if you overlook the questionable choices in music and sound effects. That cheesy sound that played when Clare cuts the youma in the very beginning of episode 2 really got on my nerves...The first volume of the manga was a little slow too so I don't think it's entirely the fault of the anime.

[cajunman380]

Actually, while Ophelia did help Clare fuse with her new arm, she was mainly testing to she if she was worthy of going after Priscilla. And the one minute time limit referred to when Clare was using her own left arm using the Kousoku Ken. Also, after Clare got Elaine's arm, her Kousoku Ken became half as fast and power as Elaine's was. So I'm of the opinion that Clare could have taken out non-awakened Ophelia without too much trouble.

I agree, If the entrance Elaine showed meant anything, it was that Ophellia couldnt do squat against the quicksword technique. Even her snake sword had no effect so it was the perfect move for claire to counter ophellia with. Plus ophellia had no clue she had the move in the first place and by the time she had pretty much lost two of her limbs. She was just a big log waiting to be grinded. Add to that the fact that her purpose to find her brothers killer went down the drain the moment she awakened and we pretty much have a person with a death wish. The conditions were favorable to clare this time around



As for Galatea, I don't think she was a defensive type since she had the highest proportional increase in power out of all the warriors once she released her youma power. Galatea was doing bad in the fight not because she was weak, but because Daf was damned strong. He was number 3 before he awakened, so even if he is pretty stupid, he was only behind Rigard and Easrey in power

I cnat say for certain sinc ei only have the raws to go by, but i believe its a combination of both Galatea being the organizations eye and the fact that daf is a powerhouse. Lets face it, the dude isnt the brightest but his body is built like an armored tank and he has hundreds of years of experience as well. I dont think the power ranking is meaningful because we dont know if there were other experimental awakened beings or if there were demons that went up in the power ranks. Heck for all we know the orgs satndards for measuring power were way different back then.


Rigard's plan was actually pretty good and he really shouldn't be faulted for dismissing Clare. She was, after all, pretty insignificant before she transformed and she was unable to turn back without Jean's help. Had Clare not transformed all 4 limbs, everyone would have died. So overall, Rigard didn't really do anything wrong since he couldn't have foreseen that someone could go beyond their limits and still keep enough of their will to be a threat to him, not to mention being able to return.

Sadly Ligardes shared the same mentality as most of the single digit claymores(the upper rank ones) and the org guys. He went for the leaders because by the numbering system they were the strongest. This was probably the first time he saw a low digit number begin to match him in terms of power and spped and by the time he realized what he was dealing with he got owned bad, and clare had not even fully awakened yet. It also didnt help that he inderectly caused it by pissing clare off. Suffice to say it was a satisfying ownage



The "fight" against Flora didn't really tell us anything except that Clare's version of the Kousoku Ken and the Windcutter are basically equal in power. The likely reason for Clare falling first is that it was just one of those storytelling tricks that try to throw the reader off balance. Notice that Flora started bleeding second too.

My take on it is that fora was simply the more experience fighter, thats all. But still that showed how much progress clare had made. Bumping up from 47 to the single digits, thats nice

Irene got killed because she used the skill and got track down by Rafaela

Was her death truly confirmed though? i mean we didnt exactly see a death scene in that.

[ickem]

Well, considering that she had no arms and Rafaela has no qualms about following the organization's orders, I'm pretty sure she's dead. Clare even felt something in the right arm right when Rafaela was about to kill her.

[Fate_Archer]

Hi everyone...finally get my acount here, there was nowhere else i could post my opinions about it, so here i am... =]

Well, im very excited about this whole plot, i had been seeing all the chapters and i read the sumaries too (i can't understand japanese yet)...can't wait to see chapter 72... (next month unfortunelly i guess)

Following the topic now...

About Galatea:


She is far away one of my favourite Claymores, and im really hoping that she will appear again and maybe join with the rebel Claymores...she is a master at controling Youki, so that i bet she is hiding herself somewhere just observing...she doesn't looks like the type of Claymore that just obey the orders of the organization without questioning so i think she still alive somewhere...

While Irene...


Is probably dead, since Rafaela has found her unarmed and defenseless...Rafaela was obeying the organization's orders and would not let it pass like Galatea did, so...i have bad perspectives about her...

New generation Claymores:


The new generation seens to be weaker than the prior one, just comparing Audrey and Galatea...Daf would probably get killed by Galatea if Riful didn't said anything about attacking with all his power, where Galatea's Youki control cannot be used efficiently...Audrey and Rachel were very confident about their abilities, but when Riful showed that she was holding her Youki they started to panic and got realy Owned...so...well, don't know if Galatea and Rafaela together could win Riful, but they are definitevely stronger than their new conrades (i shouldn't use Rafaela as an example, she was probably number 2 of her era with Lucera...anymay, she is very powerfull too)
I won't compare Claris with Clare for obvious reasons...
And about the new number 2 and 1 in this new generation...i don't think its Alicia and Beth, i guess all the generations have their own single ranks, so i believe there's a new 2 and 1 too...and there is that disturbed Claymore named Miata who is with Claris, she can be the new 1 as the organization says... (maybe im wrong and there isn't 2 and 1 in this generation yet)
Don't know if its true but it looks like the organization makes new generations of Claymores every seven years... (the time that the North campaign last)


A thought about Alicia and Beth:


Alicia is considered the strongest Claymore of history, but why is that? Just because she can transform herself in the awaken form and get back without problem because of Beth's mind control over the Yoma's part?
Or is she a powerfull Claymore too, that have a good technic at combat, good sense/control of Youki or even Stealth abilities?

Well, don't know her combat skills, but there's a reason to make the Claymore's rank that seens to be defined by the power/quantity of Youki that the Claymore has. So i believe she is very strong too, even without transforming into the awaken form.

About Beth:

She is the one who is battling aganist the will to awake while Alicia is slicing her oponents, that's why she was so tired when the combat finished last time...but i was questioning myself...
Could Alicia control the yoma's part while Beth is awaken??? Of course, the one who will fight aganist the enemys is Alicia who is stronger, but could she control Beth's will to awake while she (Beth) is at the awaken form too???

It would be interesting if possible...


Clare's evolution...


Clare evolved a lot, she was merely rank 47 because she had only 1/4 of yoma blood, but after almost awake and keep training her sense/control of youki in the slasher's arc, she defintly got an upgrad there...
After that, when she almost died aganist Ophelia, saved by Irene who trained her at the Light Sword skill, since that her level increased a lot, at the point to kill an awakened Ophelia that was suposed to be stronger than her regular form (she was very surprised by discover that she was awaken, and that in fact made the diference too)...
After the north campaign, all the survivors got experience and evolved too, this include Miria (who is a lot stronger too with her new speed technic), Helen (who has learned Jean's destructive technic), Deneb (using two Claymores now) and even Tabitha, Cynthia and Yuma (they had survived in the north campaign and are along with the rebel team).
Clare showed an incredible power while on her awaken form when she turned Ligardes(Rigardo, whatever) into pieces...
Not to surprise, if we think, we'll find out that she is realy Uber in that form, she has Teresa's blood inside her and also Irene's arm, so she praticaly awake with a fractionary power of two of the most powerfull Claymore's (Teresa and Irene)...
She definitevely can't be underestimated anymore...
I would say that she could be number 3 now...


Well, guess i spoke too much... ^^'
Give your opinions about it...
That's it for now and sorry for the long post...

[liujeffqi]

as for Galatea i reread the manga a bit and confirm that she is defense type (she said herself unless my jap is too bad) there is the part Clare ask Galatea is she ok during the battle of the thick armor guy (forget the name for a sec) Galatea reply "don't worry about me and i recover pretty fast because i am defense type.

as for the new no 1 and 2... i do agree they might be new ones because one of the head of the organization said good solider should die within certain amount of time. so they might killed off the twin sisters already.

[Astral100]

Hi everyone.
Just finished reading chapter 71, so I wanted to join in the the discussion as well.

About new generation claymores:
I don't think organization changes the top 5 that much. At least not willingly. And 7 years seems a bit too little for a cycle. Just the growing and training takes tens of years. If we look at the time when Rafaela met young Teresa - the next number 1 after Lucetia - it certainly took many years for Teresa to fully mature. (I mean in her grown claymore form she looks about 10-15 years older then in her child form) Also if we take a look at the fact that the next 1st after Teresa is Alicia (and Beth), just trainig them took like 20 years or something. I mean they were just born at the time of Teresa's death. And they do look in their twenties now. Not to mention that Claymores don't age. So in reality it could be a lot more then that. Same with time passed between Lucetia and Teresa. For all we know it could be 50 years or something.

Hmmm, now thinking back though, if Clare was a young girl at the time of Teresa's death anf Alicia was just born, Clare must be like 10 years older then Alicia. So that means that Clare has about 10 years of experience of being a Claymore, before she met Raki and started to change.

Now continuing with the thought, I don't think organization would willingly dispose of their most powerful claymores ever (the first that could even rival Shinen no Mono) and that took tens of years to train and raise just because of the cycle thing. I mean the only reason for them change claymores is because they start to know too much and becoming uncontrollable. In that regard, Alicia and Beth are perfect 1st and 2nd, because they almost do not have their own will. All they can think about is fighting.

About Rafaela:
At one point Ruble guy mentioned that her power is equal to that of Lucetia, and that she was second only because her sister was older (and had more important task - transformation) as seems to be the case with Alicia nad Beth. So it is safe to say that her power is equal to number 1. Even if Irene had both hands intact, I don't think she would stand a chance against Rafaela. As for her death - I don't think she is dead, at least until I see some more evidence from the manga about that. I mean in the eyes of organization Clare&Co are dead, Irene was also considered dead, so it would not be the first for the organization to think someone is dead when they really aren't.

About Romance:
Everybody seems to build some kind of trangles here and all, but in my opinion this manga is as far from romance as possible. We don't see anything even rometely romantic in the manga aside from the fact that they say about each other - when they mention things like my man, or fall in love. However they don't back it up anywhere. The only scene that could be considered romantic is a kiss between Clare and Raki, which I consider a bit weird, because I certainly don't see them that way. Especially considering the fact that in the eyes of Clare he is just a kid. So building some unrealistic triangles is overthinking in my opinion.
For example, the only reason Priscilla is attracted to Raki is his SMELL. Which I personally think simple reminds her of her younger brother that she tried to avange as a claymore. So that is what she sees Raki as - a nostalgic feeling of having a brother and thus a family. Since her memories are gone, this is what she craves unconciously. And while Easrey is said to fall in love with Priscilla - neither he nor she shows it in any way during the time we see them around Raki.

About Clare&Co after 7 years:
It doen't seem to me that they are much stronger now then they were before the Northern battle. As I understood from the manga - the whole point of their training for 7 years was to RETRAIN in their use of their abilities WITHOUT using yoki power. So yeah, they are stronger now, but not by very much, because they basically use the same techiniques as other claymores but without yoki. Obviously if Clare&Co would release their yoki they would become extremely powerfull, but that would defeat the whole purpose of going into stealth mode. So the way they are now - they are just a bit better than they were before, but if they release their yoki, that would be a different matter altogether. In that regard I think they are getting close to Teresa - where she could destroy anything without using her yoki, and when she did actually released a little bit, she became a lot more powerfull. They way I see it, Clare&Co's main improvement is in speed and endurance, whichi makes sense after all the years of training, and in replacing existing techniques that were using yoki power with the stronger alternatives that do not use yoki.

[liujeffqi]

reread a bit of claymore last night... i realize the eye of Clare's group is not Clare but Tabitha is that mean that girl is better than Clare at yoki sensing?

[Key Board]

it just means that her radar range is a lot wider

[cajunman380]

About new generation claymores:
I don't think organization changes the top 5 that much. At least not willingly. And 7 years seems a bit too little for a cycle. Just the growing and training takes tens of years. If we look at the time when Rafaela met young Teresa - the next number 1 after Lucetia - it certainly took many years for Teresa to fully mature. (I mean in her grown claymore form she looks about 10-15 years older then in her child form) Also if we take a look at the fact that the next 1st after Teresa is Alicia (and Beth), just trainig them took like 20 years or something. I mean they were just born at the time of Teresa's death. And they do look in their twenties now. Not to mention that Claymores don't age. So in reality it could be a lot more then that. Same with time passed between Lucetia and Teresa. For all we know it could be 50 years or something.

My thought on this is that they first develop the claymores skills as humans. They train their bodies in all forms of combat and handle certain forms of conversation. In a sense they try to kill the human side of them before they decide to implant the demon flesh into their bodies (that doesnt seem to work though). At least thats how i would see it

Also keep im mind that the organization doesnt really care about the claymores as long as they do what they are supposed to do effectively. Its like haveing a computer that you keep changing every 3 years to ensure you have the most up to date technology. you may retain older models for other purposes or fopr backup but for the most part they wouldnt have any primary use. Thats sort of how the organization sees them




Hmmm, now thinking back though, if Clare was a young girl at the time of Teresa's death anf Alicia was just born, Clare must be like 10 years older then Alicia. So that means that Clare has about 10 years of experience of being a Claymore, before she met Raki and started to change.

I doubt that. we dont know the age factor at all and until a timeline or data book is released we wont know for sure. I dont believe that clare has been a claymore for 10 years or else she wouldnt be as reckless (and still be alive). Her being a rank 47 and not having done anything to improve? a woman witha strong desire to kill someone hasnt managed to improve at all in ten years prior to the start of the series. I cant believe that unless raki really ha dthat much of a huge impact on her. I would say at least 1(1/2) years of being a claymore at the most.



About Rafaela:
At one point Ruble guy mentioned that her power is equal to that of Lucetia, and that she was second only because her sister was older (and had more important task - transformation) as seems to be the case with Alicia nad Beth. So it is safe to say that her power is equal to number 1. Even if Irene had both hands intact, I don't think she would stand a chance against Rafaela. As for her death - I don't think she is dead, at least until I see some more evidence from the manga about that. I mean in the eyes of organization Clare&Co are dead, Irene was also considered dead, so it would not be the first for the organization to think someone is dead when they really aren't.

the thing is we dont know if Lucetia was more powerful than teresa or what techniques she utilized. Im assuming in non awakened form. Irenes quicksword is a very powerful weapon and only a few claymores can actually counter it. Teresa in particular duie to her ypoma sensing ability. I would agree that Irene could be alive. She did make a promise to clare and it doesnt make sense not to show her death. As for rafaela. Honestly i dont know, her sister is dead and she has no other purose unless she found one. Only time will tell on that matter....




About Romance:
Everybody seems to build some kind of trangles here and all, but in my opinion this manga is as far from romance as possible. We don't see anything even rometely romantic in the manga aside from the fact that they say about each other - when they mention things like my man, or fall in love. However they don't back it up anywhere. The only scene that could be considered romantic is a kiss between Clare and Raki, which I consider a bit weird, because I certainly don't see them that way. Especially considering the fact that in the eyes of Clare he is just a kid. So building some unrealistic triangles is overthinking in my opinion.
For example, the only reason Priscilla is attracted to Raki is his SMELL. Which I personally think simple reminds her of her younger brother that she tried to avange as a claymore. So that is what she sees Raki as - a nostalgic feeling of having a brother and thus a family. Since her memories are gone, this is what she craves unconciously. And while Easrey is said to fall in love with Priscilla - neither he nor she shows it in any way during the time we see them around Raki.

All i can say is that you are correct but one of the things I have seen in manga such as this is that certain concepts change. In the beginning of claymore we got the sense that a claymores life was solitary and doomed to a stagnat existence of slaying demons until they ar ekilled themselves. Then we are introduced to the fact that claymores are capable of emotions. Then we ar eintroduced to the fact that its possible for a claymore to go back from an awakening as opposed ti simply being killed. Throughout the manga we have seen claymores at first form bittr rivalries n dthen strong bonds of friendship. Heck helen who looked down on clare on their fist encounter was crying when she had to kill he rin her awakened form. Thats development. Right now the love concept isnt really shown but it may be shown in the future depending on what new elements ar eintroduced.


About Clare&Co after 7 years:
It doen't seem to me that they are much stronger now then they were before the Northern battle. As I understood from the manga - the whole point of their training for 7 years was to RETRAIN in their use of their abilities WITHOUT using yoki power. So yeah, they are stronger now, but not by very much, because they basically use the same techiniques as other claymores but without yoki. Obviously if Clare&Co would release their yoki they would become extremely powerfull, but that would defeat the whole purpose of going into stealth mode. So the way they are now - they are just a bit better than they were before, but if they release their yoki, that would be a different matter altogether. In that regard I think they are getting close to Teresa - where she could destroy anything without using her yoki, and when she did actually released a little bit, she became a lot more powerfull. They way I see it, Clare&Co's main improvement is in speed and endurance, whichi makes sense after all the years of training, and in replacing existing techniques that were using yoki power with the stronger alternatives that do not use yoki.

Actually theya re stronger. in addition to being able to surpress their youki to the point wher eeven the organization cant detect them they also refined certain moves. Clare has perfected floras attack and aslo has the quickdraw. Helen has jeans arm twist attack. deneve can use two claymores and miria has improved her flash technique and she can do it continuously without was ting enery. I imagine the other claymores must have improved somewhat as well. Look how easily three of themm killed the awakend beings at the start of the timeskip. And how they managed to evade ritful. A top tier demon.

[Defiled one]

^ I agree but....

Clare:eyebrow: ... "Creation" is a little different from average. Think with me, why would the order create "Clare" with Theresa blood? Knowing very well she would be a much weaker than the average Claymore? I mean, they could use a Youma for that matter but instead, they acepted Clare offer and used Theresa flesh and blood. Which brings us to the all point of the plot...Who was Theresa? Who sold Theresa? Who betrayed Theresa? What exactly was Theresa before being a Claymore?

Some, including me, are speculating the idea of Theresa being an hybrid. Not the Claymore hybrid but a Youma human offspring....What may be the big secret? The order is using humans, forcibly breeding them with Youmas in order to have better soldiers. :eyebrow: We already know that Youmas, have sexual urges. Clare as a child, was attacked by one...but until I get more volumes I don`t know....

[LCeh]

Hey guys, I just finished reading up to chapter 71 of the manga, and I gotta say that it's the best shounen manga out there today imo. (I have read Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Prince of Tennis, and Tsubasa, of the current ongoing shounen series)

Anyway, chapter 71 was great. Chapter 70 was also really good. Watching Rifel own those 2 cocky claymores was quite entertaining, and they were number 3 and 5? Makes me think that the current generation claymore are quite weak compared to before, well, ignoring the no.4 who is said to have the potential to surpass no. 1 and the current no. 1 and 2. But in general, they seem a lot weaker.

This is a monthly released manga right? That makes me really sad. :(

EDIT: I got a question about chapter 71:

I remember when we first saw Rifel, she mentioned that the girl Easley met were at the same level as the 3 lords, but now she says Priscilla is way beyond her level. What happened in between?

[Tiamat's Disciple]

I just read the first 7 vols of claymore, and all i can say is OH MY GOD!!!

The anime didnt really do much for me, didnt grab me at all. Out of curiosity i dled the manga and before i knew it i'd devoured all 7 vols. The artwork fits the manga story so well. I was a bit thrown when it shifted suddenly to giving Clare's back story, i thought that was in the wrong place a buit. But even so, i was hooked. After reading that though its easy to see why she took Raki along with her.

While i agree that there wont be much romance in this, i disagree with the comment above about the kiss Clare give Raki. Given the events that had just happened, i doubt she sees him just as a kid anymore, though she probably still wants to go out of her way to protect him. The kiss may be nothing more than a kiss between friends, or a sister giving her fave bro a kiss. Or just to shut him up so he'll leave her to her fight.

I've just ordered all 8 currently available vols from amazon, suprised at how cheap they were aswell. Any one know if its still on going or if its over?

Guess ive another reason for trying the anime again, want to see if it can live up to the manga :)

[flick]

I'm back! :D Am glad episode 3 is out because now I can watch it even though the manga is so far ahead - its like catch up but like a reinforcement of the previous story.

[GundamZZ]

I always about the roof battle. It's no problem for Clare to running around on the roof, but it's too good for those human knights. Especially they wear heavy armor and weild swords(paper swords?), and they can still run around like cats. In addition, this Holy City(Constantine, Rome, Jeusalem, or Nazareth whatever it might be) must have sturdy roofs.


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[ickem]

Hey guys, I just finished reading up to chapter 71 of the manga, and I gotta say that it's the best shounen manga out there today imo. (I have read Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Prince of Tennis, and Tsubasa, of the current ongoing shounen series)


EDIT: I got a question about chapter 71:

I remember when we first saw Rifel, she mentioned that the girl Easley met were at the same level as the 3 lords, but now she says Priscilla is way beyond her level. What happened in between?

That was what Riful thought before because it was the story that Easley spread around. He said that Priscilla was almost as powerful as the Shinen no Mono and that he beat her, but didn't kill her because he became fond of her. In truth, though, he realized that he had absolutely no chance of beating her when he first saw her so just became her general. He spread around the story about her being powerful, but not powerful enough to be a real threat to Riful or Rushiela so that they wouldn't move in concert to try and get rid of her. The thing is, though, that even had they both pooled their powers and tried to kill her, it was still not a sure thing that they could have done it. All of Easley's maneuvering was to erase that small chance of succeeding.

[LCeh]

That was what Riful thought before because it was the story that Easley spread around. He said that Priscilla was almost as powerful as the Shinen no Mono and that he beat her, but didn't kill her because he became fond of her. In truth, though, he realized that he had absolutely no chance of beating her when he first saw her so just became her general. He spread around the story about her being powerful, but not powerful enough to be a real threat to Riful or Rushiela so that they wouldn't move in concert to try and get rid of her. The thing is, though, that even had they both pooled their powers and tried to kill her, it was still not a sure thing that they could have done it. All of Easley's maneuvering was to erase that small chance of succeeding.

That's a great answer. That's makes perfect sense. I guess the question now remains, what happened to Priscilla that made her lose her memory? And her hair turned back to normal right? I wonder what that means?

Wouldn't it be interesting if Raki and Priscilla developed an intimate relationship during these 7 years? Personally I think Easley treats Priscilla more like a father to daughter, or brother to sister kind of way, so I don't think he would be against it. I think we would be in for some crazy drama if that happened and they meet up with Clare.

[liujeffqi]

That's a great answer. That's makes perfect sense. I guess the question now remains, what happened to Priscilla that made her lose her memory? And her hair turned back to normal right? I wonder what that means?

Wouldn't it be interesting if Raki and Priscilla developed an intimate relationship during these 7 years? Personally I think Easley treats Priscilla more like a father to daughter, or brother to sister kind of way, so I don't think he would be against it. I think we would be in for some crazy drama if that happened and they meet up with Clare.



Clare will go berserk for sure, just think about it Priscilla killed Teresa who was everything for Clare. And Priscilla take Raki from Clare too. Priscilla basically took everything Clare try to hold on too.. that is very sad for out main character. so i hope it will not happen ;) at least i don't want see Raki and Clare meet under that condition

[Fate_Archer]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Raki and Priscilla developed an intimate relationship during these 7 years? Personally I think Easley treats Priscilla more like a father to daughter, or brother to sister kind of way, so I don't think he would be against it. I think we would be in for some crazy drama if that happened and they meet up with Clare.

Yeap


It would be very interesting, and that's the way the history and the plot have been taking...as some may say, Priscila is attracted to Raki just because of his smell that makes she feel a nostalgic feeling, maybe about her dead brother, but it doesn't mean she can't develop some kind of relationship beyond that and form some kind of bond with Raki...
And at the moment Clare realize that Raki was all this time with Priscila...don't know exactly how will she react...
Based on what we all know that is how she really hates Priscila, the results would be catastrophic...

These are my speculations...


And now a question:


Rafaela (Rushiela) and Lucera (Lucetia) were like Alicia and Beth are in this actual era, though, they failed at the mind control phase, so Lucera had turned into an awoken definetively...
Now, the organization is using all its resorts for buying some time to train Alicia and Beth, making them stronger to finally rivalize aganist the Shinen no Mono (Lords of Abyss).

Now here is the question:

The fact that Lucera actually is a Shinen no mono means that she is stronger than Alicia is now?
(Alicia is constantly training, so she is at ascendant step, then make this comparison using Lucera when she was alive and Alicia at now...)

[LCeh]

And now a question:


Rafaela (Rushiela) and Lucera (Lucetia) were like Alicia and Beth are in this actual era, though, they failed at the mind control phase, so Lucera had turned into an awoken definetively...
Now, the organization is using all its resorts for buying some time to train Alicia and Beth, making them stronger to finally rivalize aganist the Shinen no Mono (Lords of Abyss).

Now here is the question:

The fact that Lucera actually is a Shinen no mono means that she is stronger than Alicia is now?
(Alicia is constantly training, so she is at ascendant step, then make this comparison using Lucera when she was alive and Alicia at now...)



By now, do you mean after 7 years? I believe that Alicia was probably at Lucetia's level 7 years ago, since the 3 shinen no mono were about equal in power. I don't think Alicia has been mentioned yet after the timeskip. In fact, we don't know who is the no. 1 and 2 Claymore in the organization after the timeskip.

[flick]

That was what Riful thought before because it was the story that Easley spread around. He said that Priscilla was almost as powerful as the Shinen no Mono and that he beat her, but didn't kill her because he became fond of her. In truth, though, he realized that he had absolutely no chance of beating her when he first saw her so just became her general. He spread around the story about her being powerful, but not powerful enough to be a real threat to Riful or Rushiela so that they wouldn't move in concert to try and get rid of her. The thing is, though, that even had they both pooled their powers and tried to kill her, it was still not a sure thing that they could have done it. All of Easley's maneuvering was to erase that small chance of succeeding.

Wow this is a brilliant analysis... thanks :D I can see that happening definitely!

[ickem]

Wow this is a brilliant analysis... thanks :D I can see that happening definitely!

Actually that wasn't so much an analysis as it was a translation of what Riful told Clare.

[Astral100]

To answer cajunman380:


My thought on this is that they first develop the claymores skills as humans. They train their bodies in all forms of combat and handle certain forms of conversation. In a sense they try to kill the human side of them before they decide to implant the demon flesh into their bodies (that doesnt seem to work though). At least thats how i would see it


Could be. At the moment we know absolutely nothing about the claymore's training process.


Also keep im mind that the organization doesnt really care about the claymores as long as they do what they are supposed to do effectively. Its like haveing a computer that you keep changing every 3 years to ensure you have the most up to date technology. you may retain older models for other purposes or fopr backup but for the most part they wouldnt have any primary use. Thats sort of how the organization sees them


I think that applies mostly to lower level claymores due to the simple fact that it is harder to raise high ranking claymores. You can actually see that from the fact that among the 24 sacrificial lambs there were no one from 5 and up although number 3 Galatea was obviously too cocky for her own good.


I doubt that. we dont know the age factor at all and until a timeline or data book is released we wont know for sure. I dont believe that clare has been a claymore for 10 years or else she wouldnt be as reckless (and still be alive). Her being a rank 47 and not having done anything to improve? a woman witha strong desire to kill someone hasnt managed to improve at all in ten years prior to the start of the series. I cant believe that unless raki really ha dthat much of a huge impact on her. I would say at least 1(1/2) years of being a claymore at the most.


Now I mostly agree with you here. It does seem a bit weird for Clare to have many years under her belt at the start of the series. However you can't deny the following facts (all can be proved):
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Clare looks about 10 years old
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Alicia and Beth - just born
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Clare looks about 20 years old
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Alicia and Beth - look about 20 years old.
How is that possible?
I believe Clare went through claymore transformation quite some time ago. About 10 years. But yeah, that is based on looks mostly so I could be off by some years. Personally I think this is just a small miss on the part of mangaka. After all you can't foresee each and every small detail that comes into play in such an intricate story.


the thing is we dont know if Lucetia was more powerful than teresa or what techniques she utilized. Im assuming in non awakened form. Irenes quicksword is a very powerful weapon and only a few claymores can actually counter it. Teresa in particular duie to her ypoma sensing ability. I would agree that Irene could be alive. She did make a promise to clare and it doesnt make sense not to show her death. As for rafaela. Honestly i dont know, her sister is dead and she has no other purose unless she found one. Only time will tell on that matter....


You have a point here. We don't know if healthy Irene would be a match for Rafaela. So right now we can only specualte.


Right now the love concept isnt really shown but it may be shown in the future depending on what new elements ar eintroduced.


Yes, it could happen in the future. Looking at the direction this is going with Raki and Priscilla it seems quite likely to happen (IN THE FUTURE). However at the moment any love speculation is just a wishfull thinking.


Actually theya re stronger. in addition to being able to surpress their youki to the point wher eeven the organization cant detect them they also refined certain moves. Clare has perfected floras attack and aslo has the quickdraw. Helen has jeans arm twist attack. deneve can use two claymores and miria has improved her flash technique and she can do it continuously without was ting enery. I imagine the other claymores must have improved somewhat as well. Look how easily three of themm killed the awakend beings at the start of the timeskip. And how they managed to evade ritful. A top tier demon.


Still I am not convinced. Ability to suppress youki is not directly related to strenght in battle so it dosn't count as becoming stronger. Clare's Wind Cutting sword (Flora's technique) is about equal in terms of strength with her previous Lighting Speed sword as seen from her battle with Flora. So I can't imagine her being much stronger in that regard. Helen - yes. She definately became stronger with that arm twisting attack. Perhaps the single best improvement out of them all. Deneve - I am yet to see how much the second sword can improve her overall strength but comparing with Helen's new technique it doesn't seem all that big of an improvement. Miria - some improvement. An upgrade of her Phantom technique. However again - I don't think all that much of it, because speed-wise it remained the same, and honestly, just additinal endurance doesn't merit much. Most of the time things are settled faster than she can tire out.
The Clare&Co running speed - is a definite improvement and seeing how they can run away from Shinen no Mono I can say this is their best asset now. Repeating myself fromthe previous post - " They way I see it, Clare&Co's main improvement is in speed and endurance". However judjing from all said above I still stand at my point - strengthwise they didn't improve much. In terms of levelups I think they have leveled up from Level 5 to 6 + gained stealth mode.

To answer Taliesin:


While i agree that there wont be much romance in this, i disagree with the comment above about the kiss Clare give Raki. Given the events that had just happened, i doubt she sees him just as a kid anymore, though she probably still wants to go out of her way to protect him. The kiss may be nothing more than a kiss between friends, or a sister giving her fave bro a kiss. Or just to shut him up so he'll leave her to her fight.


Well, it depends on everybody's own perception of events I guess. The way I see it the most correct reason for a kiss would be "just to shut him up so he'll leave her to her fight.".

And to answer Fate_Archer:

I agree with LCeh: Lucera is probably on the same level as Alicia. Lucera is an awakened number 1. Alicia in battle is also fully awakaned number 1. Judging from that their battle power before 7 years should be the same. After 7 years - we will see.

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Actually that wasn't so much an analysis as it was a translation of what Riful told Clare.

Hehe, sorry I had only read up to 70 when I posted the reply. Now that I've read 71 I see what you mean :) Still ... very well put! thanks ^^

[GundamZZ]

To answer cajunman380:

Now I mostly agree with you here. It does seem a bit weird for Clare to have many years under her belt at the start of the series. However you can't deny the following facts (all can be proved):
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Clare looks about 10 years old
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Alicia and Beth - just born
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Clare looks about 20 years old
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Alicia and Beth - look about 20 years old.
How is that possible?


That's it. I'm going to point out those errornous summaries in this thread, since no one bothers to make the correction. First of all, read chapter 64. Raphalia goes to the town and overheard the organization adopted new born twin sisters. Afterward, she went back to the forest. She is followed by a ten years old Claymore trainee. That trainee is not Clare, repeat, not Clare. orz

[LCeh]

That's it. I'm going to point out those errornous summaries in this thread, since no one bothers to make the correction. First of all, read chapter 64. Raphalia goes to the town and overheard the organization adopted new born twin sisters. Afterward, she went back to the forest. She is followed by a ten years old Claymore trainee. That trainee is not Clare, repeat, not Clare. orz

Hmm... but that's not what he said though. He said when Teresa died, which was clearly shown in the manga, Clare looked around 10.

But I do have a question. Where did it say that when Teresa died, Alicia and Beth were just born?

[cajunman380]

That was what Riful thought before because it was the story that Easley spread around. He said that Priscilla was almost as powerful as the Shinen no Mono and that he beat her, but didn't kill her because he became fond of her. In truth, though, he realized that he had absolutely no chance of beating her when he first saw her so just became her general. He spread around the story about her being powerful, but not powerful enough to be a real threat to Riful or Rushiela so that they wouldn't move in concert to try and get rid of her. The thing is, though, that even had they both pooled their powers and tried to kill her, it was still not a sure thing that they could have done it. All of Easley's maneuvering was to erase that small chance of succeeding.

Yeah i pretty much agree. Easly is quite the strategist in this regard. He made sure to elimate any chance his ultimate weapon would be harmed no matter how small. He obviously doesnt take into account the fact that priscilla will regain her memory and maybe turn against him. Its like walking with an active nuke. Yeah your nigh untouchable but your also in grave danger yourself. Well at the moment easly has got the upper hand. I wonder if there are other demons of the abyss? maybe ones that these guys havent heard of?


I think that applies mostly to lower level claymores due to the simple fact that it is harder to raise high ranking claymores. You can actually see that from the fact that among the 24 sacrificial lambs there were no one from 5 and up although number 3 Galatea was obviously too cocky for her own good.

I can answer this... there is no evidenc ethat has been shown that it is harder to raise a high ranled claymore. How many single digits have the orginization mad eup to this point? lots. The claymores are ranked according to yoma power and proficency in its use. Thats why priscilla was no 2. cuz she had a lot of yoma power to throw around and the proficency to use it. Irence had the quicksword but she had a shitload of yoma power at her disposal. Hell we see this fact again and again. its the organizations way of thinking which is being phased out by our heroes. as for the northern campaign. Lets see..

Alicia/Beth.... they wer ethe REASON why the claymores were there in the fist place. They were there to stall the demons till these two were ready.

Galatea.... yeah shes strong but at the moment she was the orgs eye and we all know they hate being blind. (though she was gonna be replaced) besides if she was there she would be dead so noooo.........

Ophellia.... Psycho bitch... yeah smart put someone who will only giv ethe group a sligtly better chance and who has a tendency to attack her comrades...smart. oh plus shes dead (after she awoke)

Raphaela..... Plausible, but then she wouldnt exactly help. most claymores are wary of her, clare in particular, plus she had her own agenda, and plus she is suited for covert op missions.

I honestly think that Miria was the best choice there. given what they had to work with she really was able ot make the most of it and i honesly think rubel had clare sent there becaus ehe may have suspected that she could pull something (she did and took out a no 2 claymore from easlys era) incidentally rubel is somewhat respnsible for the groups current survival ironically..

sorry for the sarcasm. i sometimes try to spice up my posts. no offence meant in any way.


Now I mostly agree with you here. It does seem a bit weird for Clare to have many years under her belt at the start of the series. However you can't deny the following facts (all can be proved):
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Clare looks about 10 years old
The fact: At the time of Teresa's death - Alicia and Beth - just born
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Clare looks about 20 years old
The fact: At the time of Northern battle - Alicia and Beth - look about 20 years old.
How is that possible?
I believe Clare went through claymore transformation quite some time ago. About 10 years. But yeah, that is based on looks mostly so I could be off by some years. Personally I think this is just a small miss on the part of mangaka. After all you can't foresee each and every small detail that comes into play in such an intricate story.



clares age in thresas flashback is debateable. to mee she look slike shes in her teens. until we know her precise age we can debate this till no tommorow. Alicia and beths birth i wont argue until the story says something concrete. Clares current age i wont argue as well. however I must remind you of something. we dont know how the process works. we know there are physical changes but we dont know if the org has some sort of age accelerating process to make adult claymores qucker. hell alica and beth could look 20 but have only ten years of life especially if they wre trained since birth to be human weapons (their looks are of any indication) until we learn more (which we will) we can only specualte. this manga has a tendacy to answer its own questions through quick commentary.


Yes, it could happen in the future. Looking at the direction this is going with Raki and Priscilla it seems quite likely to happen (IN THE FUTURE). However at the moment any love speculation is just a wishfull thinking.

I hope not in this way. I would hate priscilla even more and it would completely stain rakis character. I mean clare told him that she would search for him and he ups and goes to bed with the demon she wants dead the most. That would be fucked up big time!!!!!


Still I am not convinced. Ability to suppress youki is not directly related to strenght in battle so it dosn't count as becoming stronger.

That depends on the tactics used. Thats why thresa was so deadly she could surpress her youki which enabled her to sense the youki of others and thus predict their movements. Plus theres the notion of surprise attacks that have been shown. In the seven year skip the three demons were axed instantly yet they didnt know wtf happened. and ritfuls little tactic against the no 3 and 5 claymores. sometimes surpressing your youki has its advantages. it just depend son the sensing abilities of the enemy. The fact that they are able to mask themselves to the point of non detection even by the org is a feat that few have been able to do (namely top ranked)


Clare's Wind Cutting sword (Flora's technique) is about equal in terms of strength with her previous Lighting Speed sword as seen from her battle with Flora. So I can't imagine her being much stronger in that regard.

not stronger. we dont know the differenc ein power and she probably worked on this move as a memento to flora and the fact that she doesnt have to use yoma power which would alert unwanted parties (Irenes mistake). Did you see how she parrie dmillias attacks. Heck back when they met she barely held up to her and now she fights woth her on even ground. plus clar enow had two sword techniques in her arsenal (and who knows what else). Until we se eher in a fight we wont know. all we know is that she cant fight TOP claymores and the big boys (easly, priscilla, Ritful) and that says a lot about how far shes come.



Helen - yes. She definately became stronger with that arm twisting attack. Perhaps the single best improvement out of them all. Deneve - I am yet to see how much the second sword can improve her overall strength but comparing with Helen's new technique it doesn't seem all that big of an improvement.

No argument here, but just becaus eshe learned the move doesnt make all that great unless she can use it as well as jean. Plus with her abilty to stretch you could say it was the most logical move fo rher to learn


Miria - some improvement. An upgrade of her Phantom technique. However again - I don't think all that much of it, because speed-wise it remained the same, and honestly, just additinal endurance doesn't merit much. Most of the time things are settled faster than she can tire out.
The Clare&Co running speed - is a definite improvement and seeing how they can run away from Shinen no Mono I can say this is their best asset now. Repeating myself fromthe previous post - " They way I see it, Clare&Co's main improvement is in speed and endurance". However judjing from all said above I still stand at my point - strengthwise they didn't improve much. In terms of levelups I think they have leveled up from Level 5 to 6 + gained stealth mode.

All i will say for this is i disagree. they did grow stronger by learning and refining techniques. until we see them at full power we can only speculate. however i must disagree at this time

[dee32]

I have a question maybe some one can answer? Is Clare still considered to be only 1/4 yoma instead of 1/2 yoma? I mean she was implanted with Theresa's flesh made her 1/4 yoma, but now she has Irene's right arm? So that the 1/4 from Teresa + Irene's arm = 1/2 yoma.


Also is it Irene or Ilena?

[liujeffqi]

i will say Clare still 1/4 yoma because Irene's harm only effective itself which means Clare's rest body still 1/4 yoma, only her right arm is on a different level. which doesn't effect the agi of Clare and str that much. after all Clare's right arm(Irene's) only have 1/2 power compare when it is on Irene's body.

[dutchman]

Hello all,

I guess you will all agree that unlike most action animes/manga currently existing. That the mortality rate in Claymore is quite high for both the major and minor characters in this series.

Unlike for for example bleach (I like watching this show, I am just taking it as benchmark) people don't drop down splattering blood everywhere after suffering a (near) mortal blow. And stand up a few minutes later uttering the words ' it was only a minor flesh wound' (ok they don't say this exactly lol).

In this series everyone is fair game and they can die quite quick and sometimes quite unexpected.

So who else is worried that some or possible most of our current favourite claymores Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen will die before this series end?

I fear (I hope I am wrong) that in the near future the following favourites will die:


1. Deneve = This calm and composed claymore is a defensive type but also prone to take a lot of (calculated) risks in her fights , as seen in the N-campaign where she intentionally let herself be hit to get an opening on a awakened being.

2. Helen = This passionate claymore will be upset by her best friend (Deneve's)dead and will probably go berserk which in return will cost her her live.

3. Miria = This excellent tactician and leader of the rebel claymores will probably last almost to the end of the series but she probably will die also close to the final which will have of course a major impact on Clare who will lose the last of her sworn comrade in arms ( the pact they made in volume 5/6). Lets hope before she expires she has time enough to reveal the ' organisations biggest secret':heh:


Of course I could be entirely wrong, actually I hope I am. Instead of what I decribed it could also end that Clare finishes Pricilla and she Raki and all others will live long and happily after.

But somehow this kind of ending doesn't fit with the nature of this series.

So what do you guys foresee in the near future (post volume 12) ?

Happy times.. or not so happy times?

[liujeffqi]

Hello all,

I guess you will all agree that unlike most action animes/manga currently existing. That the mortality rate in Claymore is quite high for both the major and minor characters in this series.

Unlike for for example bleach (I like watching this show, I am just taking it as benchmark) people don't drop down splattering blood everywhere after suffering a (near) mortal blow. And stand up a few minutes later uttering the words ' it was only a minor flesh wound' (ok they don't say this exactly lol).

In this series everyone is fair game and they can die quite quick and sometimes quite unexpected.

So who else is worried that some or possible most of our current favourite claymores Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen will die before this series end?

I fear (I hope I am wrong) that in the near future the following favourites will die:


1. Deneve = This calm and composed claymore is a defensive type but also prone to take a lot of (calculated) risks in her fights , as seen in the N-campaign where she intentionally let herself be hit to get an opening on a awakened being.

2. Helen = This passionate claymore will be upset by her best friend (Deneve's)dead and will probably go berserk which in return will cost her her live.

3. Miria = This excellent tactician and leader of the rebel claymores will probably last almost to the end of the series but she probably will die also close to the final which will have of course a major impact on Clare who will lose the last of her sworn comrade in arms ( the pact they made in volume 5/6). Lets hope before she expires she has time enough to reveal the ' organisations biggest secret':heh:


Of course I could be entirely wrong, actually I hope I am. Instead of what I decribed it could also end that Clare finishes Pricilla and she Raki and all others will live long and happily after.

But somehow this kind of ending doesn't fit with the nature of this series.

So what do you guys foresee in the near future (post volume 12) ?

Happy times.. or not so happy times?

hmm i think ur right about ppl dying at this manga i won't be surprise even Clare and Raki die in the end. after all this manga is covering a dark story line. second u felt things getting better it only getting worst than before. there is no break (well a little break here and there) between the dangers in their journey. so i think the chance having a happy ending is very tiny....

[Defiled one]

My personnel end

Clare becomes the next awakened and ruler of a land. Clare doesn`t seem to be a quitter. "Oh I got my revenge now I can die in peace thing" No. Clare in my opinion is not that like them. And since this manga is a cliché buster, Clare will either become one of the most powerfull awakened to exist. You know, the whole dark side thing. Unless the next volumes introduce a cute little orphan that makes Clare heart melt like it did with Theresa. I doubt she will "love" yes love, anyone besides feeling friendship towards Raki and her companions. Besides Clare is one of the few that has a "reversed Odepius complex":heh: I know, I shouldn`t make fun of Clare love.

[Xellos-_^]

My personnel end

Clare becomes the next awakened and ruler of a land. Clare doesn`t seem to be a quitter. "Oh I got my revenge now I can die in peace thing" No. Clare in my opinion is not that like them. And since this manga is a cliché buster, Clare will either become one of the most powerfull awakened to exist. You know, the whole dark side thing. Unless the next volumes introduce a cute little orphan that makes Clare heart melt like it did with Theresa. I doubt she will "love" yes love, anyone besides feeling friendship towards Raki and her companions. Besides Clare is one of the few that has a "reversed Odepius complex":heh: I know, I shouldn`t make fun of Clare love.


I think the more likely ending will have Clare giving the black card to Raki to cut her head off. I really don't see Clare surviving pass the ending.

[cajunman380]

to dutchman

Im not going to speculate the ending because for all we know the ending could be something different. One of the reasons why i got into this story because it reminded me of berserk (which is a darker bloodier version of claymore) but it also has a medievel setting. One of the primary things that makes me enjoy berserk is the constant evolution of characters and conceopts. At first you could say that it was dark and even now it still is, but it also has its moments of humor and there is slowly tht sense of hope that shows up> In claymore its the same. The first chapters and the black card were to show a claymores old fate and how they were treated for centuries and we were lead to believe that clare would meet the same end. what happened...raki. because of him he gave clare a second chance and he became something clar enever dreamed of having. a companion to care for and who wasnt afraid of her. We have seen claymores disrespect an dbe competetive. especially helen and deneve and what have we seen. Evolution. Helen who once looked down on clare becomes a companion to her. Clare who was once a loner is now surrounded by people who joined up with her of their own free will. Nout out of obligation, but choice. Im not going to speculate on the ending but if clare does indeed die, it will probably be in a heroic fashion, contrasting the regular fate of claymores and pissibly breaking the cycle. There is still much of the story to be told.

As for your fears of the fab 4 getting axed. I wouldnt worry. Hell look at konjiki no gash bell. You have a plethora of characters who have gotten off in the past 200 chapters yet there remains a constant group that stays alive and will do so till the end. Besides lets face it. All the characters who have died have either served one stationary purpose, had an ambiguous debatable death, was just nameless cannon fodder or was there to serve a single purpose. ANd theres the flashback deaths plus demons.This is not just clares story of revenge but it is also a story of reganing humanity, of breaking the norms and cycles that have been in place and thats why im liking it. Those four are there to stay and if the author wanted them axed earlier, it would have been done. But they are under clares protection and we know what happenes when clares peeps are in danger (mr lion man i love you and hate you but yous till got royally owned for messing with the peeps)

plus....... we have a whole new generation of claymores to be offed plus the org guys who undoubtadly have had it coming for ages. i cant wait .......oh plus nameless humans

[ickem]

I've always felt that the manga is heading towards a bittersweet ending. Clare's only reason for living before meeting Raki was to get revenge for Teresa, and while I know that being with Raki has changed her, I don't think she has changed enough. She gave up her humanity to become capable of getting that revenge and that is still her overriding goal. The Clare/Raki dynamic has always seemed to be Teresa/Clare version 2 to me. So I think Clare will die along with Priscilla. That leaves Raki alive to be the sole proof of Clare's existence in the same way that Clare was to Teresa. I see the last panel of the manga os one showing Teresa and Clare overlaid onto the statue of the twins with Raki in the foreground.

Remember that the goal of Clare and the others is not to kill Claymores, but to get revenge on the bosses for what they have done. Unless the warriors leave them no choice, they won't kill them. I have a feeling that the organization will survive as a whole, but the order givers will be purged.


On the anime, all I have to say is Next time, Bishou no Teresa! Although I'm not particularly looking forward to Romu Paku doing her voice. I always imagined Teresa with a strong, but still pretty feminine voice.

[Astral100]

To answer GundamZZ:


That's it. I'm going to point out those errornous summaries in this thread, since no one bothers to make the correction. First of all, read chapter 64. Raphalia goes to the town and overheard the organization adopted new born twin sisters. Afterward, she went back to the forest. She is followed by a ten years old Claymore trainee. That trainee is not Clare, repeat, not Clare. orz


Damn, you are right! How could I confuse them? Alicia and Beth were born at the time of Lucetia's death, not Teresa's. Teresa was a small girl at the time. While precise timeline is still not available, at least now it is obvious how Alicia and Beth could look the same age as Clare. And yeah, that means that there is no way that Clare has many more years of experience than Alicia/Beth. Now it makes sense that by the start of the story she has just a year or two under her belt. Thank you for pointing this out. I stand corrected.


To answer cajunman380:


I can answer this... there is no evidenc ethat has been shown that it is harder to raise a high ranled claymore. How many single digits have the orginization mad eup to this point? lots. The claymores are ranked according to yoma power and proficency in its use. Thats why priscilla was no 2. cuz she had a lot of yoma power to throw around and the proficency to use it. Irence had the quicksword but she had a shitload of yoma power at her disposal. Hell we see this fact again and again. its the organizations way of thinking which is being phased out by our heroes. as for the northern campaign. Lets see..

Alicia/Beth.... they wer ethe REASON why the claymores were there in the fist place. They were there to stall the demons till these two were ready.

Galatea.... yeah shes strong but at the moment she was the orgs eye and we all know they hate being blind. (though she was gonna be replaced) besides if she was there she would be dead so noooo.........

Ophellia.... Psycho bitch... yeah smart put someone who will only giv ethe group a sligtly better chance and who has a tendency to attack her comrades...smart. oh plus shes dead (after she awoke)

Raphaela..... Plausible, but then she wouldnt exactly help. most claymores are wary of her, clare in particular, plus she had her own agenda, and plus she is suited for covert op missions.

I honestly think that Miria was the best choice there. given what they had to work with she really was able ot make the most of it and i honesly think rubel had clare sent there becaus ehe may have suspected that she could pull something (she did and took out a no 2 claymore from easlys era) incidentally rubel is somewhat respnsible for the groups current survival ironically.


Good point. I didn't think of it this way. But now that you mention it, indeed the reason 5 and ups were not sent is not because of their value, but more because of the circumstances. It could very well be like that. Although I personally don't believe Rubel sent Claire there with some kind of backthought. She was just one more of the rebellious claymores that organization could do without. That's why he said they would forgive all her sins if she completes this mission. As there was zero possibility.


I hope not in this way. I would hate priscilla even more and it would completely stain rakis character. I mean clare told him that she would search for him and he ups and goes to bed with the demon she wants dead the most. That would be fucked up big time!!!!!


Yeah, that certainly would suck. However one of the best points of this manga is that we can't predict how it is going to turn out. Personally I think it could go into the direction of forgiveness. IMO Raki is there to spare Priscilla from death by Clare's hand. Actually the fact that Raki is with Priscilla now could lead to the endless interesting possibilities. Can't wait to see what's going to happen ^^


That depends on the tactics used. Thats why thresa was so deadly she could surpress her youki which enabled her to sense the youki of others and thus predict their movements. Plus theres the notion of surprise attacks that have been shown. In the seven year skip the three demons were axed instantly yet they didnt know wtf happened. and ritfuls little tactic against the no 3 and 5 claymores. sometimes surpressing your youki has its advantages. it just depend son the sensing abilities of the enemy. The fact that they are able to mask themselves to the point of non detection even by the org is a feat that few have been able to do (namely top ranked)


Indeed it does depend on the tactics. Certainly as a surprise attack yoki suppresion is as good as it gets. And for lower class awakened beings and claymores this will work wery well. However what I meant was the strength of the actual combat where sudden surprises like that are not possible. The main reason why they went into stealth mode was not to strengthen themselves but to hide from the eyes of organization.


not stronger. we dont know the differenc ein power and she probably worked on this move as a memento to flora and the fact that she doesnt have to use yoma power which would alert unwanted parties (Irenes mistake). Did you see how she parrie dmillias attacks. Heck back when they met she barely held up to her and now she fights woth her on even ground. plus clar enow had two sword techniques in her arsenal (and who knows what else). Until we se eher in a fight we wont know. all we know is that she cant fight TOP claymores and the big boys (easly, priscilla, Ritful) and that says a lot about how far shes come.


About Miria fighting on equal grounds with Clare - it is not surprising. Before the training they were on a completely different level. Remember, if not for Irene's hand Clare would still be in the lower forties (ok maybe thirties) in comparision with number 6 Miria (as they both half awakened, the fact that Clare became as storng as a single digit doesn't count here because Miria also was affected by this).
However since they both had to start from zero after suppressing their yoki, and spent the same amount of time training it is only to be expected that they now are about equal in terms of strengths. Where Clare has grown a lot stronger by herself (mostly compensating for Irenes hand) Miria in comparision didn't grow that much. But yeah, I agree that we have to see them in a real fight before we can understand how strong they really are. At the moment all of that is just speculation.

To answer dee32:


I have a question maybe some one can answer? Is Clare still considered to be only 1/4 yoma instead of 1/2 yoma? I mean she was implanted with Theresa's flesh made her 1/4 yoma, but now she has Irene's right arm? So that the 1/4 from Teresa + Irene's arm = 1/2 yoma.


Considering that the weght of the hand is about 1/50 of the weight of the body (taken from the head) if we calculate the body as: 49/50 as 1/4 yoma and 1/50 as 1/2 yoma, then Claire now is about 0.255 part yoma. Or if you like it more 51/200 yoma ^_^

To answer dutchman:

I don't think author is going to kill off any of the main characters anytime soon. Maybe at the very end, but I doubt it. Because that would be cliche ^^
As for the foreseeing - I don't want to do that, because that would be overhyping yourself for nothing. I am completely satisfied with how mangaka handles things so I don't see the need to speculate on the future events. IMO.

Oh and by the way, one of my favourite moments in the recent chapters for me was when number 3 was "put to sleep" because this way "it is faster to deal with them". You just gotta love the previous number 15 treating current number 3 this way ^_^

EDIT: Just read the cajunman380's comment 2 posts back, and I have to say I completely agree with that. I couldn't have said it better. Oh and ickem? Your thoughts have a merit but I hope you are wrong. Nothing personal ^^ I like good things, ending included.

[Key Board]

Clare kills Pris
Raki gobbles up Pris becomes an awaken and kills Clare
Claris gobbles ups Clare, becomes her successor and hunts for Raki

[liujeffqi]

errr Raki can't awaken... since he is human as far as we know :rolleyes: i don't think he have any chance to become a male Claymore...:heh: :heh:

[Key Board]

That's why I propose he put Priscilla's remains in him for REVENGE!!!

all he needs is someone to approach him with the offer. any faction would do

[liujeffqi]

i don't think any one will approach to raki at all with that kind offer i mean.
1st of all organization doesn't want male claymore
2nd no one else except organization knows how to combine yoma with human. if any other ppl know such as Riful, then Riful won't try so hard look for clamore to awaken them, they could just simply grab some human and make them claymore type and let them awaken to gain pawns.

so Raki have no possible way to become one unless the author somehow come out a way of doing it

[zato_1one]

Talking about combine human body with yoma flesh and blood. I suspect where did organization take them from? I means from chapter1 to 71 we didn't even see any pure yoma which we could call it powerful yet. Yoma in Rabona may looked strong but not quite. I wonder the organization just catch those ordinary yoma and make Claymore from them . If so then how could they do it? Because even ordinary yoma is strong and sly enough to not be catched by human easily. Also their speed is incredible faster than human. Or else the organization may just collect yoma corpse just like little Clare did. But I still can't believe that an amazing Claymore just like Teresa was made from those ordinary yoma which she could chop them as if they were nothing. I think the organization may breed yoma itself. This will also support what Teresa had said in the past too. And what will happen to those who receives flesh and blood from the Awakened? May be the dead of Lucera is not meaningless. Her corpse could be useful for the organization. She is one of Lord of Abyss after all.

[Defiled one]

It has been speculated that Youmas have "urges" human urges besides eating, So they can easily get one. Remember that Claymores are artificial halfbreeds, which doesn`t mean that halfbreeds, real ones, dont exist.

Of course Im speculating.

[LCeh]

I have a question about something from previous chapters:

I remember it was explained somewhere why the male hybrids awakened a lot faster than the females, and I remember the explanation had something to do with
sex drive or something? What exactly was the reason?

[Defiled one]

When using yoma power, the Claymore get sexual satisfaction, men reach orgasm rather quickly than females who possess a more time to control it. That is why they can`t control it.

[LCeh]

When using yoma power, the Claymore get sexual satisfaction, men reach orgasm rather quickly than females who possess a more time to control it. That is why they can`t control it.

That's kind of what I thought. Thanks a lot for the answer.

Sorry, I have another question. When was it shown that Alicia and Beth were born around the time of Teresa's death?

[Astral100]

Where did it say that when Teresa died, Alicia and Beth were just born?

Oh, that was my mistake. I made this statement earlier and it probably confused you. As corrected by GundamZZ, Alicia and Beth were born at the time of Lucetia's death, not Teresa's. Please refer to my previous post for explanation.

[LCeh]

Oh, that was my mistake. I made this statement earlier and it probably confused you. As corrected by GundamZZ, Alicia and Beth were born at the time of Lucetia's death, not Teresa's. Please refer to my previous post for explanation.

Ahhh I see. But that wasn't when Lucetia died though, wasn't that just when she awakened and left the organization?

And since I am at it, I have one more question. :heh:

The reason the black cards exist is because once a claymore awakens, they become like a monster, have the desire to eat flesh, becomes uncontrollable and cannot go back to human form right? In that case, was it explained why the Shien no Mono seem to be exceptions, where they can seemingly go back to human form at will, and doesn't lose their consciousness when they awaken?

[Xellos-_^]

Ahhh I see. But that wasn't when Lucetia died though, wasn't that just when she awakened and left the organization?

And since I am at it, I have one more question. :heh:

The reason the black cards exist is because once a claymore awakens, they become like a monster, have the desire to eat flesh, becomes uncontrollable and cannot go back to human form right? In that case, was it explained why the Shien no Mono seem to be exceptions, where they can seemingly go back to human form at will, and doesn't lose their consciousness when they awaken?

2 possible explantion:

1. The Shien No Mono has more will power then the normal awkens and they are more powerful.

2. The organization is lying to the Claymores.

[Astral100]

Ahhh I see. But that wasn't when Lucetia died though, wasn't that just when she awakened and left the organization?


Damn, something is wrong with me recently. Of course you are right it was the time of awakening :heh:


The reason the black cards exist is because once a claymore awakens, they become like a monster, have the desire to eat flesh, becomes uncontrollable and cannot go back to human form right? In that case, was it explained why the Shien no Mono seem to be exceptions, where they can seemingly go back to human form at will, and doesn't lose their consciousness when they awaken?


That was also confusing to me, however as I understand it after awakening they lose their humanity. As is seen from the scene with Lucetia and Rafaella, even reunited with her sister all Lucetia cared for was taking down her enemy (Easrey) and dividng the territory. The joy she felt IMO was not because of seeing her sister again but because Lucetia thought she would be saved from certain death by Easrey. Another reason is, from what we can see awakened beings think nothing of killing others. (Aside perhops from Rufia only - the oldest and so to say the mellowiest Shonen no Mono. She is in fact my second favourite character in the manga now)

Besides it looks like even those Awakened beings that have been able to return to their human form, first go through a stage of uncontrollable rampage and violence (Priscilla destroyed towns, Lucetia almost destroyed organization, Clare was about to kill everyone around) so obviously it is not wise to let claymores turn into awakened beings even if later they might return back into their human shape. Which is nothing more than a shape - their thought processes change completely.

[Defiled one]

I know that, at least the most powerfull awakened have a period of irrational actions like they were in some sort of drunken state. Since the flood gives them pleasure, they will only stop when it burns out. After that, they seem to be normal and sociable...And very pissed at the order for no apparent reason...:uhoh:

[Key Board]

What I think:

When someone awakens their yoma side takes over

however, since the body is shared between both sides, the awakened being also inherits the human memories and personalities of the body

The stronger the original personality is the less irrational the awakened being becomes.

Age is probably a factor too. Newly awakened being are probably instinct driven and as they grow older they learn to control it and think more rationally

Hmm..

I think it's possible that Clare might fully awaken one day

[Mandrake]

regarding issue 12...
When Clare dueled in issue 12 with her fellow band of sisters, what was roughly said just before the initiation of the duel and during (plus the surprise outbursts from their comrades?

[Astral100]

If you look in this thread you will find that all japanese chapters have already been summarized by kind people here. Some of them almost translated line by line. If you look and still cannot find the answer then be a bit more precise. Like what chapter and what pages are you interested in.

[Negativedark]

Considering the first two Awakeneds that we see, not counting Prisilla in the flashback, both showed up first in their human forms, I'd say it's a safe bet that most Awakened Ones can assume their original human forms.

If we ever do see Claire's fully awakened form, I'm hoping for black eyes and hair.

[Xellos-_^]

Considering the first two Awakeneds that we see, not counting Prisilla in the flashback, both showed up first in their human forms, I'd say it's a safe bet that most Awakened Ones can assume their original human forms.

If we ever do see Claire's fully awakened form, I'm hoping for black eyes and hair.

I already seen it :)

and you will it in a few years when the manga release catch up.:D

[dieseltrain]

what ever happened to kid that became the main character cook?

[Xellos-_^]

what ever happened to kid that became the main character cook?


He ran off with a loli and is now on the run form claire :D

[LCeh]

what ever happened to kid that became the main character cook?

What do you mean? You gotta be more specific with the question. :heh:

[Negativedark]

I already seen it :)

and you will it in a few years when the manga release catch up.:D

From the spoilers that were posted it sounded like only her limbs had awoken. Anyways I did see a picture of it online.

[Zu Ra]

Not the right thread to post but dont want to spoil any anyone in [Anime Only] discussion thread so posting here .

Why was Teressa the numero Uno of Claymores sent to take care of a few minor Yomas . Wouldnt the the top 10 or even top 05 be sent for specialized job like hunting awakened ones ?

[Xellos-_^]

Not the right thread to post but dont want to spoil any anyone in [Anime Only] discussion thread so posting here .

Why was Teressa the numero Uno of Claymores sent to take care of a few minor Yomas . Wouldnt the the top 10 or even top 05 be sent for specialized job like hunting awakened ones ?


Each Claymore are assign to a specific region to patrol. If a request came form that region then it goes to the Claymore assign to that region. There is total of 47 regions, with a total of 47 claymores.

[Zu Ra]

Each Claymore are assign to a specific region to patrol. If a request came form that region then it goes to the Claymore assign to that region. There is total of 47 regions, with a total of 47 claymores.

Yeah I know that and Clare is 47 . My question let me rephrase it ( I have read only till Vol 7 )

Would it not be demeaning for the number one Claymore to go hunting around Yoma . ? Seeing the level of skill Teressa posses even a dozen yoma are canon foodder for her .

[LCeh]

Would it not be demeaning for the number one Claymore to go hunting around Yoma . ? Seeing the level of skill Teressa posses even a dozen yoma are canon foodder for her .

Well, from what I have seen so far, claymores work alone unless there is a need to make a team. The first time Clare teamed up with someone as far as I remember, was when she fought her first awakener.

So in a sense, no, since it's her job to protect her assigned area.

[Xellos-_^]

Yeah I know that and Clare is 47 . My question let me rephrase it ( I have read only till Vol 7 )

Would it not be demeaning for the number one Claymore to go hunting around Yoma . ? Seeing the level of skill Teressa posses even a dozen yoma are canon foodder for her .

you are forgetting the order attitude toward claymores. A claymore is nothing more then a tool. A higher level claymore is just a sharper tool no different from a sharper saw.

[Astral100]

Besides, it's not like there are awakened beings available for slaying all the time. Awakened beings are pretty rare happenings, so most of the claymore's duty consists of slaying normal yomas found around their region. Besides even if organization knows about an awakened being it doesn't do anything about it unless it receives a specific order from some village to kill it. And as we know it, most of the awakened beings are either smart enough to avoid being reported or strong enough to kill any potential reporters/witnesses or both. So taking all of that into account it seems pretty normal that most of the time Teresa was hunting normal yomas and not awakened beings.

[Key Board]

what ever happened to kid that became the main character cook?

1) He's not the main character
2) He's living with another character at the moment

[liujeffqi]

what ever happened to kid that became the main character cook?

so far we don't know much about him in the new arc since he haven't show up yet. however he is not main character so we could careless about him until he show up. all we know by now is He was last seen living with the girl Clare want to kill most.

[Mandrake]

I wonder if Raki will become a new generation Galk after these 7 years :O

[Fenrir_valindri]

What ever happened to kid that became the main character's cook?

Fixed because it seems alot of people misunderstood the sentance.

[Enara]

ok i know i sound supid but where can i find Claymore chapters online in eng. i have been looking forever:heh: help me plez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Enara]

i have read vols. 1 through 7 just so u people know:p

[herbert]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=925822&postcount=744

This is a post from anime thread by Guido. I wanted to reply there but feared doing spoiler so I post my response here.Only thing I wanta say is, it is remarkable for a non-manga-reader come up all these ideas based on only 4 eps' info. He/she is at least right at two things: Clare will be sent to an impossile mission and organization DOES keep an Eye on Claymores.

[LCeh]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=925822&postcount=744

This is a post from anime thread by Guido. I wanted to reply there but feared doing spoiler so I post my response here.Only thing I wanta say is, it is remarkable for a non-manga-reader come up all these ideas based on only 4 eps' info. He/she is at least right at two things: Clare will be sent to an impossile mission and organization DOES keep an Eye on Claymores.

Seconded.

I was amazed by his post, but like you said, replying to it would just be a huge spoiler, so I decided not to say anything. Good job Guido! :D

And to reply to Enara, since volume 7 is how far the english scanslation has gone, you will have to wait for more.

[Xellos-_^]

ok i know i sound supid but where can i find Claymore chapters online in eng. i have been looking forever:heh: help me plez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only vol 1-7 has been release.

If you read chinese there are couple of chinese sites. But no English site. I don't believed Clyamore was ever pickup by any scanlation group before it was license and i don't see any group picking it up now that it has been license.

[alanmh]

Only vol 1-7 has been release.

If you read chinese there are couple of chinese sites. But no English site. I don't believed Clyamore was ever pickup by any scanlation group before it was license and i don't see any group picking it up now that it has been license.

Actually Inane had begun scanlating Claymore to English, but dropped it once it was licensed by Viz Media. Unless a scanlation group starts scanlating the as-of-yet unpublished volumes 9-12, we'll have to wait until Viz releases volume 8 in June, volume 9 in August, etc. :(

[TinyRedLeaf]

Good grief, 40 over pages already in this thread. I'm late to the game as usual. :heh: I've long noticed the Claymore manga at local stores, but never took it up. The cover art appealed to me, but I reigned in the temptation to buy on impulse (I make that mistake all the time, especially when it comes to "glossy" magazines :heh:).

So far? I actually find myself liking this series, just from watching the five episodes so far. The character designs, strangely enough, remind me of Twelve Kingdoms (especially the prominent upper lip that some have pointed out. I seem to recall seeing similar designs in Twelve Kingdoms as well; whatever the case, I happen to find it attractive :rolleyes: ). And is it just me, or do the Youmas remind anyone of the chiroptera from Blood+? As for the music, meh, I don't like as much, but that's just my opinion.

Regarding criticisms about this being your stereotypical story of an ultra-tough but good-looking, sword wielding heroine with a dark past....well yes, they are valid criticisms, lol. However, I for one don't mind cliched premises as long as the characters and story are presented well, and hopefully from an original angle.

After all, if you think about it, what else is there out there that hasn't already been done before? Everything is cliche. Even Shakespeare was guilty of re-interpreting popular material for his plays, but in doing so, he made the material his own. From what I've seen so far, I think this series has potential. I'll be watching it closely. :)

[NoSanninWa]

I'm sure that this will be troublesome for a few people, but it should be helpful for many more folks. I'm going to end this thread and replace it with two new ones.

Unfortunately there are two separate discussions going on in this one thread and sometimes they overlap in spoilerific ways. One discussion is about the English translation of the manga which is up to volume 7. The other discussion is about the original Japanese manga which is up to volume 12. The new threads can be found here:

Claymore Manga - English Translated Version

Claymore Manga - Raw Japanese Version