Kashimashi Episode 5 Discussion/Poll [Archive]

Catgirls

2006-02-08, 11:56

Welcome to this week's Episode of Kashimashi ~Girl Meets Girl~.

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Hazumu and Yasuna are both men.

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Hazumu and Yasuna are both men.

Sinestra

2006-02-08, 19:05

I really liked this ep i felt a lot of emotion coming from the charcters and when the mom puts the dad in the boston crab and then snapped his neck like a twig i was laughing so hard i thought i was going to piss my self i very intrested in which way the series is going to go. i mean how comfortable would you be waking up a girl one day

monster

2006-02-08, 19:17

i mean how comfortable would you be waking up a girl one dayNot comfortable at all, I wouldn't want to deal with their monthly cycles. How will Hazumu deal with that? I guess she'll adapt comfortably as usual.

stevency

2006-02-08, 19:43

Finally they did it, they paced it up to the max tearbring episode of this storyline yet. :)

A confession from Yasuna to Hasumu, though much detailed than comic.
The outdoor sketching is the 1st close catfight bewteen Tomari and Yasuna in ep5.

Yasuna's confession at the last emtional scene nearly made my cry.

Next we'll have Hasumu and Tomari "confess".

Overall, ep5 get 10 out of 10 of my book.

tun

2006-02-08, 20:05

Yasuna's confession at the last emtional scene nearly made my cry.

Really? I just finished watching it and it really didn't move me at all. :( Kinda weird that they would start this series with that scene and then have it come relatively soon. I think doing that made the scene lose any kind of impactual value. And they showed Tomari trying to kiss Hazumu in the preview but it looks like Hazumu will stop her.

zalas

2006-02-08, 21:02

I think having this scene later, like the second to last episode, might require more explicit statement that the whole thing's a flashback. The way they have it now, the scene before episode one seemed more like a sneak peak. And it looks like this episode finishes off the manga volume 1.* Seeing as how there's 8 months between releases of the tankoubon, the amount of material they need for this pace is approximately 3/5 of volume 3. 8*3/5=4.8 months. 5 months + 9/27 = 2/27. So it looks like they'll have just enough manga material by the time the season ends.

*It's a pity they didn't put in the Yumeria parody...

stevency

2006-02-08, 21:21

Really? I just finished watching it and it really didn't move me at all. :( Kinda weird that they would start this series with that scene and then have it come relatively soon. I think doing that made the scene lose any kind of impactual value. And they showed Tomari trying to kiss Hazumu in the preview but it looks like Hazumu will stop her.

For some people who's under heavy pressures from whatever(lack of something for a prolonged period, you name it) like me, it nearly gets me, or maybe there were some sand in my eyes at that moment. :heh:

The story arch in ep 5 were meant to be tear bringer, as I said, they paced it too fast, some will have problem to get along with the story mood.

I forgot to say, the ED ep 5 lyrics used were the second half, which smartly hide the 3 main names inside it, were quite match that theme.

ranchan13

2006-02-09, 05:06

I mean how comfortable would you be waking up a girl one dayNot comfortable at all, I wouldn't want to deal with their monthly cycles. How will Hazumu deal with that? I guess she'll adapt comfortably as usual.
I think I'd find myself overjoyed in all honesty. Then again, I can see myself in Hazumu's shoes, cause I suffer from Gender Dysphoria. I don't live my life as a woman, nor do I have plans of going through all the effort to become one (though if given the chance to get hit by a spaceship and then wake up later to find I'm a perfectly complete woman, I'll dive my ass in front of the ship), However I do often portray myself as female online, since that's my only escape from my harsh reality.

Now then, for the discussion on episode 5, I see a lot of people complaining that it moved a bit fast. Seriously though, it's moving no faster then the manga, and it's going into a lot more detail. The first manga was 7 chapters long, and here we are episode 5 and just finishing the first book. Anime like Naruto and Bleach use 2-3 chapters per episode, so when you watch the anime it seems like less detail then if you read the manga. Personally I like the pace of Kashimashi, barely more then a chapter per episode.

As for this being the tear-bringing episode, I did tear up a bit on Yasuna's confession and the first kiss, but I see the setup for Episode 6 and Tomari's confession to grab at more tears. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Take out the entirety of the aliens and leave Hazumu as a post-op Transexual, and this series would be the most realistic series I've watched.

zalas

2006-02-10, 12:08

Catgirls

2006-02-10, 13:49

Considering the fact that Hazumu is trying to get along with both Tomari and Yasuna, it would be funny if someone made a 4koma where Tomari and Yasuna both get tired of Hazumu and instead get together themselves :pInterestingly enough, something "like" that must happen anyway because it seems obvious to me that Hazumu will never choose one or the other. There's just no way. Hazumu is not that strong (or so it seems so far). I believe Tomari would be the key to that little scenario, but there needs to be an episode where Tomari & Yasuna spend the day together and "something" happens (either mental break through or physical attraction between the two).

It’s pretty obvious that both Tomari & Yasuna have very strong feelings for Hazumu yet Hazumu wants both of them, but do Tomari & Yasuna want each other?

Akuma-sama

2006-02-10, 14:10

It’s pretty obvious that both Tomari & Yasuna have very strong feelings for Hazumu yet Hazumu wants both of them, but do Tomari & Yasuna want each other?

I've been thinking something along the same lines; the closing line of the latest manga chapter...
Ayuki: "...Perhaps this is... a step forward"
REALLY makes me think the author is aiming for a Tomari/Hazumu/Yasuna full triangle. As an author (of fanfics, admittedly), I know you don't just throw suggestive scenes around like that.

Now if Akahori-sensei (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/manga.php?id=5834) manages to do it right, since most triangle endings I've read were poor at best... and there's no telling if the anime will follow the same path.

Either way, we're in for an interesting trip :D

Tatiana Razajev

2006-02-10, 20:12

Next we'll have Hasumu and Tomari "confess"

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that scene as soon as possible. In any case it was nice to see the "scene" from episode 1 finally come in to play in episode 5. This was definitely a pivotal episode. At least as far as I can tell.

Millenia

2006-02-11, 10:50

My heart beats loud
My feeling run true
What is this feeling I hold for you? (Hazumu)

~Kimochi~

Yasuna-chan - Ganbatte!
Kisu~ Kisu~ Kisu~

Tomari confess next?
Who next... Asuta?

*cries* I have to wait another week :(

stevency

2006-02-11, 18:28

Now then, for the discussion on episode 5, I see a lot of people complaining that it moved a bit fast. Seriously though, it's moving no faster then the manga, and it's going into a lot more detail. The first manga was 7 chapters long, and here we are episode 5 and just finishing the first book. Anime like Naruto and Bleach use 2-3 chapters per episode, so when you watch the anime it seems like less detail then if you read the manga. Personally I like the pace of Kashimashi, barely more then a chapter per episode.

Come to rethink about it, you have a point on that.
Maybe I'm just overflowed with the MUCH detailed story, so it is a illusion for me at least that make one feel it's paced fast.

As for this being the tear-bringing episode, I did tear up a bit on Yasuna's confession and the first kiss, but I see the setup for Episode 6 and Tomari's confession to grab at more tears. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Take out the entirety of the aliens and leave Hazumu as a post-op Transexual, and this series would be the most realistic series I've watched.

That's what a good drama really means.:D

Kaoru Chujo

2006-02-12, 17:09

...a Tomari/Hazumu/Yasuna full triangle.... Futakoi Alternative may have started a trend.

Great episode. The emotions sure worked for me. Horie Yui (Yasuna) got her chance to shine in this episode, and did bring tears to my eyes.

I think the pacing of the episode and the quick appearance of the big scene show how well the director is pacing this series, so that the emotional action never lags. Having read the manga, I'm really looking forward to next week. What happens next week is one of my favorite parts of the manga.

Millenia

2006-02-13, 02:44

What happens next week is one of my favorite parts of the manga.
Would this be some light hentai? :heh:

You can think up lots of different scenarios from where episode 5 left off, Im dying to see which 1 will come true :P

Catgirls

2006-02-13, 19:18

Episode 5 sub is out now.

- http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29068

:)

Maceart

2006-02-13, 20:04

Wow. Just wow.

Oh well.

Episode 5 was great, although it could've done with a kick ass insert song from euphonius.

Jaden

2006-02-14, 07:10

Nice episode, except it left a strange mood. It feels like everything is settled now and they could end the series here. :p
Because with this, Tomari is pretty much eliminated. How she's always dropping in and ruining scenes when it's getting good certainly doesn't make Hazumu like her more.

knusbits

2006-02-14, 07:53

cool episode 5 is already subbed - thanks osu!

i have to say i enjoy this series very much. and the popularity here just seems testament to its universal appeal. it seems to have something for everybody :)

on a pure technical note, having watched the episodes so far from various groups i think osu's encoding is very nice - just a bit more crisp and colorful than the others.

keep up the good work

Abbott

2006-02-14, 10:32

I enjoyed episode 5.

Now that we get to hear what Hazumu and Yasuna were saying and what Hazumu was thinking in "that" scene, things seem a lot more clearer. I gained the impression that Hazumu for the most part accepted Yasuna's kiss so that Yasuna wouldn't get hurt (judging by what he thought at the time), not because he wanted to kiss her. I have to say that Yasuna came across as very selfish in this episode, and I really don't think Hazumu will get over her refusing him in the past, and I doubt he'd think too fondly of her selfish reasons for doing so. At the same time however, I really can't see Hazumu going for Tomari, because the childhood friends turning into lovers just doesn't seem feasible in this series. At the moment I'm thinking all three character will end up single at the end of the series. Yasuna has a lot to do to get back Hazumu's trust, especially after explaining her selfish reasons and after Hazumu pities her and accepts the kiss, and Tomari just seems like a giant outsider.

Tatiana Razajev

2006-02-14, 10:59

Now granted I still have yet to see episode 5 subbed, but I'm not ready to write off either girl yet. There is still a chance for Hazumu to pick either one, but then again it could be like several series and end with absolutely no choice at all. However until then I'm going to continue rooting for Tomari while preparing to accept Yasuna.

Pellissier

2006-02-14, 15:16

Episode 5 was subbed by almost a day as it's now, so I guess it's ok to write outside spoiler tags.

I would be tempted to give a full 10 to this episode, which was marvellous and even superior, imho, than the previous one. But I'll restrain myself because I feel Kashimashi could give even more to the attendance, I'll keep my full rating for then. In the poll mine would be marked as a 9, but I write here: it's actually a 9,5 more close to ten than to nine.
Basically it's just SO great the way this show is realized. The character development is done marvellously, hence we could really feel close to these characters' feelings.
That ending scene was just... fantastic.
It's difficult to add something, I'm quite speechless because I'm realizing to be probably dealing with one of the best romance anime I have ever seen, and after only 5 episodes!
I may add how wonderful the 3 seiyuus were (especially Tamura Yukari because I've never seen her in a role close to this before), but it's a sentence that is getting overused, since it has to be stated at each episode.

A couple of considerations:

- It's admittedly kinda rare for a romance, but I can't absolutely find a girl I prefere among another one. Yasuna and Tomari are perfectly even. Usually you get to root for someone over someone else. I think in Kashimashi this would be pretty difficult. At least for me it is. And while I was very happy at the end of episode 5 for Hazumu and Yasuna, I couldn't help but being truly sad for Tomari. I'd rather see a triangle solution, at this point, instead of a choice or something else.

- This show goes very fast. While we use to call a lot of anime "slow paced" and "slice of life", Kashimashi is introducing new labels as "fast paced" and "running life". I mean, what they showed in 5 episodes could have been easily filled a 12 ep. series. I don't know whether having a longer development would have been better or worse than this. I just know that so we won't get much to stay with the protagonists. And seen the greatness of these protagonists, it's a real pity.

And now, it's Tomari's turn to have the main spotlight on. Looking forward to it.

CelesAurivern

2006-02-14, 19:24

Personally, I'm rooting for an Hazumu x Asuta ending :D

monster

2006-02-14, 21:16

Personally, I'm rooting for an Hazumu x Asuta ending :D In some ways, I am rooting for them too. The poor guy needs some attention.

stevency

2006-02-14, 21:59

In some ways, I am rooting for them too. The poor guy needs some attention.

I'd root Ayuki(witch) and Atsuta(witch's slave) pair.:p

Catgirls

2006-02-14, 22:03

I'd root Ayuki(witch) and Atsuta(witch's slave) pair.:pI'd go for this, but a Hazumu x Asuta is out of the question for me. I'll set fire to my computer if that happens.

monster

2006-02-14, 22:07

I'd go for this, but a Hazumu x Asuta is out of the question for me. I'll set fire to my computer if that happens. Why? what do you have against this pairing?

P.S. Would burning your computer be considered a more drastic or a less drastic action than burning your bra (Mai Otome forum, I believe)?

Akuma-sama

2006-02-15, 10:15

Why? what do you have against this pairing?

P.S. Would burning your computer be considered a more drastic or a less drastic action than burning your bra (Mai Otome forum, I believe)?
I think you got the wrong gender (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=32249) here :heh:

Catgirls, despite his name, is a guy. :p

Edit for a small misplaced word...

Catgirls

2006-02-15, 12:05

P.S. Would burning your computer be considered a more drastic or a less drastic action than burning your bra (Mai Otome forum, I believe)?
Catgirls, despite his name, is a guy. :pYes, you'll find that I regularly use "burning" as a metaphoric expression of angry futility. Bras, computers, cats...just part of my poetic side.

monster

2006-02-15, 15:07

Ah, forgive my error. You're the third/fourth guy in AS I thought to be a girl.

Johan_the_Monster

2006-02-15, 22:46

Akuma-sama

2006-02-15, 23:46

Or am I thinking too much into this?
We have a winner! :heh:

Seriously, this is an Anime. Screw that, this is an Anime that involves aliens crashing into a little person standing on a mountain and reforming him into a girl. Who ends up being in a girl triangle.

They had to have some way to push Yasuna onto girls... ;)

Plus, thinking physics or any real-life science in a non-serious anime (or even serious ones) kills catgirls. Be kind to the nicest mod around, please ;)
</suckup mode> :p

phrozen

2006-02-16, 09:40

when I watch osu's sub, the anime plays much MUCH faster than the audio. Other animes that I download are fine and I've tried playing it with Winamp and Media Classic Player and there's no difference :( Other than that (maybe something to do with my own settings?), I think the the overall subbing is great!

hmm..as for the love triangle, ...i DON't knoW who to root for!! No matter who Hazumu chooses, the animators better have a 'happy' ending for the third party planned out well enough or I'm gonna go after them and wreak havoc! Though 'happy' here is relative. :P

lavielove

2006-02-16, 12:23

Okay, something confused me about this episode...

Why is that Yasuna couldn't see guys? She mentioned that it was because of something her father did, but did it eventually develop as a psychological problem and it's all in her head? Or is like someone who is color-blind and something genetic? Or am I thinking too much into this?
There is also one thing, suprisingly enough, in the end of this series

Yasuna's sex and dna will changed and she will became a complete(perfect) dude.Another alien ship landing will come forth.Atsuna will be left broken-hearted
and ended up with Tomori-chan.

:heh:

niwasatou

2006-02-16, 12:24

when I watch osu's sub, the anime plays much MUCH faster than the audio. Other animes that I download are fine and I've tried playing it with Winamp and Media Classic Player and there's no difference :( Other than that (maybe something to do with my own settings?), I think the the overall subbing is great!

Same here. >_<

Hmm, I still am rooting for Tomari/Hazumu; I don't know why but I still don't like Yasuna..
Whatever, the episode was good.

TheFluff

2006-02-16, 16:46

To the people with playback troubles: You need to either
1. Get and install the CCCP ( http://cccp-project.net ), or
2. Follow Anime-Suki's playback guide to install and use Haali's media splitter properly.
The episode uses variable framerate (VFR), and if your player/splitter doesn't support that, you will get the problem you both have.

niwasatou

2006-02-16, 17:28

BBOvenGuy

2006-02-16, 18:25

Yasuna's sex and dna will changed and she will became a complete(perfect) dude. Another alien ship landing will come forth. Atsuna will be left broken-hearted and end up with Tomori-chan.
:heh:

Egads, I hope that's not what happens. I'd lose my lunch. :upset:

iamtetsuo

2006-02-17, 02:01

Wow this series is SO amazing! I'm hooked!
I think the pacing is good. I like animes that move along and don't sit around and drag out scenes that could be just as effectively played out on a faster scale. Having the flashback scene from episode one reapear so suddenly is kinda weird, but it goes with the shows fast pace.
Father joke is still funny, however english teacher falling down gag is getting kind of old. This is even noted somewhat internally as all the students just walk away after she falls.
I think Hazumu is going to go for Yasuna, as she is making all the right moves while Tomari is acting like a brat. However Hazumu might be turned off by Yasuna as she is trying to assume the male role in the relationship: "But if you're a girl, this time it's my turn to court you"

Side note just for Osu!'s sub:
Was the karaoke really neccesary for Jan-Pu's song? :heh: Pu pu pu!
Also I like the fact that you assume that your audience doesn't need lines in english subtitled. Keep up the good work!

KaneDragon

2006-02-24, 14:04

Excellent episode all around. Yasuna has completely redeemed herself, we finally get the Ep 1 kiss scene, and even a teaser for a Hazumu x Tomari kiss (whether or not that will happen being besides the point). "I don't want to have any more regrets" FTW! I'm not *entirely* sure about Hazumu's mental reply, though ("I have to accept this kiss because she has already been hurt so much"--not really romantic?), but I can't complain. :)

03:54 - Come on, Sora's being a little unfair. It's not *really* yuri from Hazumu's perspective, since he used to be a guy (with the same crush) before, right? Though from outside perspective, it's yuri... Or something. But this has been discussed before. In any case, it's Sora's fault that Hazumu's in this situation in the first place.

08:09 - Bwahaha, tentacle rape meets sunflowers! xD And with Asuta (karma?)! But what's this? Is Ayuki falling for Sora, too? Another love triangle approaches! :0

17:02 - I have a question about Yasuna's condition, though: Whenever we see boys from Yasuna's perspective, they're fuzzy black/white images. She describes it as just being able to sense their presence however--like she sees less than that. Is that right? At 17:02, she's sitting at the table and seems to just ignore her dad(?). Was it that he was silently gesturing, and she couldn't even see that?

Too bad Hazumu needed a little help from the space man to figure out Yasumu's secret. This reminds me of Suzuka, when Yamato was getting chewed out by that popstar for not really knowing anything about his 'girlfriend'.

I still have to root for Yasuna. She needs Hazumu more. Tomari didn't 'realize' Hazumu was still Hazumu until he was in trouble again (with the reporters) and needed her to protect him. Besides, Tomari has her own fangirl club (My prince! I'm also attracted to you! FTW!! XD )--she shouldn't be so selfish. :p

Sorrow-K

2006-02-28, 05:28

Not expecting this series to end up being particularly deep, I was pleasantly surprised by this episode. Yasuna's backstory was really well done, I thought. Admittedly, YURIVISION™ is still a plot device, but at least it's an interesting one now. But I thought the most interesting thing about this episode was Hazumu's reaction whenYasuna went to kiss her: ie, oh, she's had it tough, so I'll just accept thisTwo things that could be: plot device to keep Tomari in the picture, or backlash from Yasuna's rejection of Hazumu. Either way this is really starting to turn into an interesting love triangle, and a better series than I was originally anticipating.

Eclipze

2006-02-28, 07:07