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Catgirls
2006-03-01, 17:40
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Hyosuke575
2006-03-01, 19:51
Okay next episode from the previews it looks like we finally get to see Mikoto. Whether Mikoto is the cat or not we don't know but after everything that happens wouldn't be surprised. It also looks like the contract between Arika and Mashiro is going to become more official because you know the contract at first was just to save their hides and little by little we saw Arika acting more like her otome but nothing was official yet so that should be interesting. Finally, it looks like we will get more information about Shizuru and Tomoe in the next episode, hopefully. Although Sunrise could be the people they are and not reveal anything at all and just leave us hanging because their good at that too. Anyways can't wait for next episode.
Timeless Enigma
2006-03-01, 22:46
I don't expect much from episode 21, I was never a Mikoto fan so her appearance won't factor in on my enjoyment, but hopefully with Mikoto's appearance, Mai's arrival will be soon at hand.
I wonder when Sergay's gonna discover who the new Shinso is. I also wonder what he'll do about it once he finds out. The final betrayal of the North Hound? :heh:
I'm hoping this Mikoto would not have the same personality MH Mikoto has throughout most of the series.
ArchDragon
2006-03-01, 23:35
I don't expect much from episode 21, I was never a Mikoto fan so her appearance won't factor in on my enjoyment, but hopefully with Mikoto's appearance, Mai's arrival will be soon at hand.
I wonder when Sergay's gonna discover who the new Shinso is. I also wonder what he'll do about it once he finds out. The final betrayal of the North Hound? :heh:
He certainly won't be happy once he find out, and he eventually will.
But I doubt he'll switch sides just because of that, Rena is already dead anyway.
It'll be a different case if they're experimenting on a still living Rena.
A better question, however, is what he will do once Nagi send him out with the Valkyries (and most likely Nina too) to capture Mashiro and Arika.
Fishbait
2006-03-02, 00:06
I am eagerly waiting for the explanation for the toys lying around near the bed as shown in the preview.....
Hyosuke575
2006-03-02, 01:07
I am eagerly waiting for the explanation for the toys lying around near the bed as shown in the preview.....
Yeah...... pretty sure those are stuffed animals and things for a baby. Definitely not what you are thinking. (shudders) :twitch:
Xellos-_^
2006-03-02, 01:10
Yeah...... pretty sure those are stuffed animals and things for a baby. Definitely not what you are thinking. (shudders) :twitch:
Well there is that rocking horse :eyebrow: Maybe someone like paying horsie :uhoh:
Hyosuke575
2006-03-02, 02:13
Well there is that rocking horse :eyebrow: Maybe someone like paying horsie :uhoh:
True we don't know what kind of tastes Shizuru has or Tomoe for that matter, but I don't think thats something Sunrise will dwelve into.
Anime Adoru
2006-03-02, 05:07
Well, Doremi says the title for next episode is "white princess, moment of awakening". If the white princess is Mashiro, from the preview it looks like she might grow further (and tremendously) and this time has Arika enter the master/otome bond for real. So that might be the main step forward: a Mashiro that takes action and becomes a real force for the remaining episode.
Ronin Aquila
2006-03-02, 06:11
Strong possibility that Episode 21 is about Mashiro's Emotional Matruition, considering the word Mashiro literally means Pure White in Japanese. ;)
Well, since the anime is approaching its climax, I was sort of wondering when we'll get to see the rest of the 5 pillars and Mai in action...plus Arika's new uniform.
Anyway, I'm not expecting much from ep 21. We'll most prob get to see some Nina vs Mikoto action.
Well, Doremi says the title for next episode is "white princess, moment of awakening". If the white princess is Mashiro, from the preview it looks like she might grow further (and tremendously) and this time has Arika enter the master/otome bond for real. So that might be the main step forward: a Mashiro that takes action and becomes a real force for the remaining episode.
One of the preview screens for episode 21st has Arika kneeling before Mashiro and kissing her right hand; also could be that Arika is kissing the ring on Mashiro's finger. By doing so, both officially seal the Otome-Master contract.
Well, Doremi says the title for next episode is "white princess, moment of awakening". If the white princess is Mashiro, from the preview it looks like she might grow further (and tremendously) and this time has Arika enter the master/otome bond for real. So that might be the main step forward: a Mashiro that takes action and becomes a real force for the remaining episode.
Maybe Mashiro somehow gets The Mashiro this ep ... I mean Arika has the Blue Sky Saphire, Nina has the Ultimate Black Dimond ... it's only fair :p
... that harmonium thing is so confusing (colored circles) ... it almost looks like they intended for them to have those colors but eventualy changed they're minds but kept the initial color idea for the harmonium ... little bastardz :D ... don't make it too confusing ... anyway looks like more thing's about the harmonium are going to be revealed :rolleyes: ... hope they don't make it like the "First district" thing in MH :( ... or did I miss something :confused:
Souten no Seigyoku
2006-03-02, 11:11
Id just like to remind everyone that there are 6 episodes left and we still havent seen any massive fights. Considering theres supposed to be a war brewing, I find this odd and annoying.
Its always the same thing. They get interupted, or theres an explosing and cut to the aftermath (arika v nina, fia), etc. There doesnt look to be any fighting in this upcoming episode so they really got 5 eps to show us a tad of fighting.
So it looks like I was right when I posted a little 'timeline' of how things would turn out. I said we'd be lucky if they started the fighting in earnest by ep20. Theyd probably start in ep 24-26. Well we are not lucky.
Wait a minute....could it be? Could I be trying to say "I told you so?" Oh my the arrogance. The audacity of me to count my eggs before their hatched. Fighting by eps 24-26. Ha! We should consider ourselves lucky if there's a slap fight.
"Id just like to remind everyone that there are 6 episodes left and we still havent seen any massive fights. Considering theres supposed to be a war brewing, I find this odd and annoying.
Its always the same thing. They get interupted, or theres an explosing and cut to the aftermath (arika v nina, fia), etc. There doesnt look to be any fighting in this upcoming episode so they really got 5 eps to show us a tad of fighting.
So it looks like I was right when I posted a little 'timeline' of how things would turn out. I said we'd be lucky if they started the fighting in earnest by ep20. Theyd probably start in ep 24-26. Well we are not lucky.
Wait a minute....could it be? Could I be trying to say "I told you so?" Oh my the arrogance. The audacity of me to count my eggs before their hatched. Fighting by eps 24-26. Ha! We should consider ourselves lucky if there's a slap fight."
Its not all about fighting.
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2369953.htm
Images Arrived
Mikoto Sword, Wow, Miroku? O_o
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/8986/11413170880342c380xm.jpg
EnseiSong
2006-03-02, 11:33
http://nov.2chan.net/24/res/300981.htm
there you go...
Souten no Seigyoku
2006-03-02, 11:45
Enough with the "its not all about fighting" line. Marriage isnt all about S E X either, but even Al Bundy expected some play. We are getting nothing that qualifies as such.
As for the spoiler:
I knew this series had some tie-in with Mai-Hime.
So once again: I told you so.
Nagi reading Nina's profile.
A report on an investigation of Nina Wang
September 7, A.R.325
She was protected by First Lieutenant Sergey Wang at the base of resistance, plotting treason.
It is unknown hers birthplace and career before she was protected.
It is presumed that she was brought to the organization __________ or human traffic.
I cannot discern more on what's written on the report, but it could quite cement the 50/50 that....
Nina is either the princess 50%
Rena's daughter 50%
Jet_Maeden
2006-03-02, 11:48
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2369953.htm
Images Arrived
Mikoto Sword, Wow, Miroku? O_o
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/8986/11413170880342c380xm.jpg
THX for the link!
Ok...can someone explain this?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2236/11413178876956d1c1zd.jpg
WoW O_o XD
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2434/1141318041185a85f2qd.jpg
Well Maria looks Satisfy of what... Will She Materiliaze soon?
Damn...
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2434/1141318041185a85f2qd.jpg
They Kill Mimi...
allexiel
2006-03-02, 11:54
Well Maria looks Satisfy of what... Will She Materiliaze soon?
what do you mean? :)
nice bacground
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2855/1141318018520sss8cz.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1141318018520sss8cz.jpg)
great expression
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8898/11413181237331567nnn8ml.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413181237331567nnn8ml.jpg)
what do you mean? :)
This
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4576/11413179695661f167hk.jpg
Xellos-_^
2006-03-02, 11:58
nice bacground
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2855/1141318018520sss8cz.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1141318018520sss8cz.jpg)
great expression
Wondering what Shizuru used that toy for :D :eyebrow: :cool:
Jet_Maeden
2006-03-02, 11:59
nice bacground
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2855/1141318018520sss8cz.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1141318018520sss8cz.jpg)
great expression
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8898/11413181237331567nnn8ml.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413181237331567nnn8ml.jpg)
LOl...Pazu we think alike!! check out the image thread and what I posted a min. before you. :)
EnseiSong
2006-03-02, 11:59
THX for the link!
Ok...can someone explain this?
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/757/11413178876956d1c0id.jpg
the people at 2chan is saying that's Aoi
and Mai is going to show up next ep.... 舞衣...あれは武器？:heh:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6521/11413187080205xr.jpg
Jet_Maeden
2006-03-02, 12:01
the people at 2chan is saying that's Aoi
Yeah...that's shady though....could she really be alive?
PS: LOL...so we wait months for Mai to show up...and what do we get?
Housewife Mai with cooking utencils!! HARRRR
the people at 2chan is saying that's Aoi
and Mai going to show up next ep.... 武器？
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6521/11413187080205xr.jpg
Wow, explain the Reverse lol
Maybe Aoi is alive whereas Mimi is going to Die... To Late... She Died... Farewell Mimi
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-02, 12:04
the people at 2chan is saying that's Aoi
and Mai going to show up next ep.... 武器？
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6521/11413187080205xr.jpg
Interesting....assuming it's not fake Mai is materialized? Looks like she has another source for her power or she has a master.
LOl...Pazu we think alike!! check out the image thread and what I posted a min. before you. :)
haha indeed:)
(I wish I was everywhere)
sorry
so do you want post this?:D
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8261/1141318530059776dttt2hy.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1141318530059776dttt2hy.jpg)
asthalanthil
2006-03-02, 12:04
Went absolutely BUG-EYED looking at the screencaps.
...Oh my goodness! Shizuru! What the hell are you doing??? With the toys! With Tomoe!
With the toys! With Tomoe! With the toys!! With Tomoe!! With the toys!!! With Tomoe!!! With the toys!!!!!!!! With Tomoe!!!!!!!!!
@_@ Need.... Raw... Need... Raw.... Must not jump to panicked/ sick conclusions...
Catgirls
2006-03-02, 12:05
Damn...
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2434/1141318041185a85f2qd.jpg
They Kill Mimi... I'm sorry. Can you fix the image link to that. I messed up when I was moving it to ImageShack. I replaced it with the wrong image. Sorry about that.
Thanks Catgirls:)
For EnseiSong :
Finally She's back! Maybe she's cooking Tokiha Soup :)
EnseiSong
2006-03-02, 12:15
For EnseiSong :
Finally She's back! Maybe she's cooking Tokiha Soup :)
Maybe.... (2chan people said she's cooking Chinese food...) some people on 2chan think Mai's master is Mikoto, lol!!!! So maybe she is cooking for Mikoto.
wow.... I waited for Mikoto's "big" fight with Nina....and this is what I get?! Not even 3 mins and they killed it by changed to the scene to Arika-tachi.....
COME ON NEXT EPISODE, MIKOTO & MAI!!!!
Could anyone please explain me why Shizuru is holding a pacifier on his right hand?
<Refraining from freaking out:twitch: >
Moreover, Shiho went broke and loose nuts. If those Lillie and Yayoi buzzing flies are the outcome of Shiho's voodoo magic on the poor girls or just uzumaki-maki manufactured toys to screw the viewers around?
For those who see Enseisong last picture
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/316/1141319926262d8361jb.jpg
A Better Mai :)
Yep, our wishes will finally become true in the next episode.
Mai Returns... !
EnseiSong
2006-03-02, 12:27
For those who see Enseisong last picture
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/316/1141319926262d8361jb.jpg
A Better Mai :)
LOL!!!! I guess they didn't fire the person who did this to Mikoto in Mai Hime.... haha!!!!!!!!!!!! Since this time... it's Mai's turn?! :heh: :heh:
Thanks for the pictrues! I'm too lazy to putted up....
Mai is wearing her robe, so, she must have a master...
Will Tate make a cameo, or will it be another person?
Xellos-_^
2006-03-02, 12:31
For those who see Enseisong last picture
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/316/1141319926262d8361jb.jpg
A Better Mai :)
And we were right she was working in diner somewhere. The questions is as a waitress or a cook :eyebrow: :D
Catgirls
2006-03-02, 12:34
And we were right she was working in diner somewhere. The questions is as a waitress or a cook :eyebrow: :DIron Chef Mai !! :heh:
Xellos-_^
2006-03-02, 12:38
Iron Chef Mai !! :heh:
Good call.
And Shiho is really bugging me :D :p I really feel sorry for the two coral struck with her :heh: :twitch:
I'm sorry Catgirls
Promise, next time, i use Imageslack to post the Image
Catgirls
2006-03-02, 12:45
Oh and don't freak out if you notice that I've edited your post. I'm just moving the images off 2chan and onto ImageShack.us (http://www.imageshack.us/). The 2chan links tend to expire taking the images with them. I upload them to ImageShack just to save the images for future generations. No other content was edited...just the link to the image.
Catgirls
2006-03-02, 12:46
I'm sorry Catgirls
Promise, next time, i use Imageslack to post the ImageIt's no problem. :)
floatingbrain
2006-03-02, 12:51
sorry didn't see it >___>
http://nov.2chan.net/24/res/300981.htm
another 2chan link
That link is already posted on page 1 I believe.
Catgirls: did you just doubleposted?:)
floatingbrain
2006-03-02, 13:13
theory on where mai is:
she is in the same world as mikoto. or she is in the Schwarz base. or she is at the hospital where aoi is at?
http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/1066/11413173847867gl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
mashiro-chan, kawaii!
also, why did they attack mimi???
friendshipz
2006-03-02, 13:22
arrr.. i thought mai will return to kick some butts..but of all she became a cook -_-
let me guess.. she materialize "JUST" because to start up the fire -_-" fire rudy gem after all...
from the pic itself.. its very darky at the background..so can assume that she is a penniless :heh:
mikoto human and mai scene seems to be compatible so its pausible for 2chan ppl to presume mikoto is mai master or mai can materialize by itself..
they are getting plot from mai hime to mai otome unexpectedly...so for the next 5 esp we might wan to consider speculating some action for MO from MH...
anyway..i just don like shizuru pretending to be ignorant or went lunatic....for MH they started to trigger the story shizxnat between esp 22-25 so i can presume they plotting it again on MO ^ ^so...----->*kicking tomoe away
makimaki once again XD!!!this time sunrise went too far for MH and transfrom them into bees-tachi and using the snail to do conspiracy....-_-" filler are gd but not lolicon in MO...
so finally mashiro and midori make a friendly term and join forces , battles going to start at 23...
one big enquiry..is mikoto and mai manipulating the harmonium?!?!?!?!seems to me like they are taking control over it..
So Mai will return next episode? I was hoping it would be a surprise.
Full Screencaps
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8286/104fi.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2497/204nb.jpg
So Mai will return next episode? I was hoping it would be a surprise.
Yeah, I wonder.....I'm a bit underwhelmed by the screencaps. I'm trying not to judge yet....but is this really ep 21? It's just beginning to make me laugh now - just when we think we've built up to the 'really meaty' conflict it never happens. I'm not even asking for mass global fighting, just 'shocks' or something with a tangible ''big'' change. And no I'm sorry I don't care about Mimi dying.
Next episode, yes, that's when it will all ''really'' start mmmmm. I won't be surprised if Mai doesn't show up next episode, and if she does it will be in the last 10 seconds. Just you watch. And even if she does, I'm intrigued to wonder how Mai will suddenly kick the show up about 15 notches - just like Natsuki materialising did....:rolleyes: . *sigh*
This was a bit weird though:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4828/chie3mv.jpg
What's happening to Chie :( ?
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4828/chie3mv.jpg
What's happening to Chie :( ?
Maybe...
when she saw Aoi in the Bed, she will looking Mad after that
I have a feeling that this weeks show will make me very happy.
I'm looking forward to many aspects of it, two being firefly Shiho and the preview.
This just screams,
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1440/11413180378138go.th.jpg (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413180378138go.jpg)
FOOD!!!!
duster_Fukku
2006-03-02, 14:36
Raw's out!:)
SpeedRcrX
2006-03-02, 15:08
Good news that the raw is out.
I'm really wondering what's going on with Shizuru...
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7797/11413179971394cw.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413179971394cw.jpg)
But I'm not so worried about her when she has that type of expression....
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7472/11413180154668zg.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413180154668zg.jpg)
Shihio is really the best ! Join the makimaki religion !!!
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5951/11413180589060b1b2ak.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11413180589060b1b2ak.jpg)
Tempest35
2006-03-02, 17:04
Y'know, I think everyone's more interested in the next ep than this one. ^^; And for good reason, we FINALLY see Mai...!!!
But I have to wonder about the circumstances surrounding Mimi's untimely demise...I mean seriously, 3 deaths around these two girls just to give them the necessary will to fight? No points in my book for that...
Negative points for not showing Mikoto vs Nina. ;_;
but I have to wonder...Does Mai's red eyes have anything to do with Mikoto...is Mikoto going to possess Mai and offer up some yummy arse-kicking? :D
Anime Adoru
2006-03-02, 17:43
More screenshots here: http://www.adoru.com/mai-otome/ep21.html
You can thumb through the whole episode starting with the first picture: http://www.adoru.com/mai-otome/ep21pic01.html
I believe that everyone will believe me if I say that I _want_ to like the show. I really really do.
However, eps 19-21 were more or less wasted, storywise. The bohoo-rebound-arc very very much failed IMHO. Sorry. Mashiro had a strong showing in 21, but I hope that we can finally put the disturbed little kid issues aside and get back to business. Prettyplease? ^_^;
The best scene went to Nao - once more. "Hitchhiking again?" was a classic.
At least the preview looked fine. So I hope that we'll somehow be able to conclude this decently in the remaining 5 eps. I'm growing a bit apprehensive however...
kari-no-sugata
2006-03-02, 18:11
I gave this ep a 9 - had some nice character development, and plot progress. Not much real action though. But things are definitely looking up.
Let's see...
Minor scenes for Shizuru (going along with Tomoe for now), Natsuki and Nao (about to head elsewhere with some help this time). After Nina sliced through Mikoto's shadow, the real (?) Mikoto wakes up somewhere. Nagi's figured out Nina got to Artai in that golden pod - since he doesn't care about Arika anymore (who he previously thought was the real princess), I suspect Nagi thinks Nina is the real princess (almost certainly making Arika Rena's daughter). Chie has joined up with the other Corals as part of Nagi/Smith's new model goon squad (the GEMs for which have a loyalty circuit btw, like the Slave stuff), and looking over someone in a hospital bed - most likely candidate being Aoi. Sergay volunteers to go to the Black Valley to get Mashiro (for the song) though is kinda edgy about a few things - he also mentions he's been an Artai soldier since birth. Nina wanted to go, but has to stay and protect Nagi. Meanwhile, Miss Maria is praying to the founder and recalls the words Arika said in the crypt about fighting / not-fighting. The maki-maki crew are starting to have weird dreams :D
Most of the action is with Arika and particularly Mashiro. Things heat up when the refugee civilians From Wind Bloom happen to go near the valley. Standing orders are to drive away such people. Arika wants to help them right from the start, but Mashiro is torn - Mimi helped her, and Mashiro wants to become a better queen, but the group also caused Aoi's death (?). When a rock monster turns up and knocks Mimi flying, Mashiro jumps to action and sends Arika to save the group (which takes hardly any time at all). Midori compliments Arika's battle skills btw - she's also preparing to get some revenge on Caldia (for taking the REM data etc). Midori asked Arika for help on that early on in the ep but Arika refused.
Later, Mashiro asks Midori to help (or at least not throw out) the Wind Bloom civilians and after Mimi dies swears to help Midori get the technology she needs in return. So they have a deal. And Mashiro has managed to turn the hearts of the people. Not bad going. Arika is still dead set on being an Otome and starts to take being Mashiro's Otome more seriously/formally. As Midori and co leave on their Slaves, Sergay and the 5 ex Garderobe students are watching for that and they're preparing to attack.
In the preview, Arika has to deal with some new-model weapons it seems. Also confronts Sergay I think. Looks like Miyu has made it to the Black Valley - meets Mikoto the cat anyway. Midori attacks Caldia. And Mai in Otome robe holding kitchen utensils? If this is not some weird dream, that'll be interesting. So where is she - I'd doubt she's in Wind Bloom, hard to imagine Natsuki meeting up with her. So maybe Mai is in the Black Valley? Ooh, Sergay is going to have a surprise if so, muhaha.
Anyway, the previous two eps felt kinda a drag but things are definitely picking up!
Tremalkinger
2006-03-02, 19:03
I really enjoyed this episode... the scene with Mashiro regaining her people's trust was especially thrilling, and the rest of the episode was good build up. Only five episodes left :heh: I'm optimistic.
Timeless Enigma
2006-03-02, 19:14
I believe that everyone will believe me if I say that I _want_ to like the show. I really really do.
However, eps 19-21 were more or less wasted, storywise. The bohoo-rebound-arc very very much failed IMHO. Sorry. Mashiro had a strong showing in 21, but I hope that we can finally put the disturbed little kid issues aside and get back to business. Prettyplease? ^_^;
The best scene went to Nao - once more. "Hitchhiking again?" was a classic.
At least the preview looked fine. So I hope that we'll somehow be able to conclude this decently in the remaining 5 eps. I'm growing a bit apprehensive however...
I've got to agree with you there. Once again we were treated to more Mashiro angst. I didn't really expect Mimi to die, but when she did and the waterworks hit, I kind of rolled my eyes waited for the scene change. While things seem to be coming together, I still feel like these past few episodes haven't resulted in much.
Aoi lives huh? That's what it looks like to me. Well I suppose after the impact of the scene wore off of me, it made more sense that she would survive like that.
The preview for 22 shows some potential. She should be Iron Chef Ruby instead of Fire String Ruby Mai Tokiha :heh:
Seems like Mai and Mikoto were living together these past few years. Will we finally get something to prove/debunk Mai x Sergay? Will Sergay be treated to a fine meal, or a "Mai Kick"?
Hmm.....I was reading Omni's temporary summary when the picture of Mai in the preview appears. I was just wondering....is Mai cooking or something at that time? Or don't tell me the wok she's holding is her element?:heh:
Now its interesting that Nagi thinks that Nina is the real princess just from the Harmonium. Did he forget that the Harmonium also opens when Arika and Mashiro were there? Now if Nina is really the princess, does that mean the baby that Rena saved was actually her own daughter?
And if Mai is with Mikoto all this times, then.....what happened to her lover (Tate?)?
I vote 10/10, because:
1. I see Mikoto (only the back though.. but anyway....)
2. Mashiro-chan become mature (finally for god sake...!)
3. Arika kissing Mashiro's ring is cool! At last she wants to fight.
4. I see Mai in the next preview episode.
Just watch the raw and....this episode is extremely touching. At least we get to see Mashiro and Arika renew their faith. Now, when will I get to see Arika in her Meister uniform:mad:
Oh yeah....regarding the 'Maki Maki' group.....anyone other than me is feeling sorry for the poor snail?:heh:
ArchDragon
2006-03-02, 20:33
After reading some reviews, I concluded that Midori is an airhead afterall.
I thought after what happened recently, she would know better than to leave the village virtually undefended.
Yet, she asked Arika to attack Cardair together with her company.
So if another Meister, or Schwars, shows up, who will defend the Aswad village?
They don't have allies to call upon in times of emergency, nor do they have a standing army to buy them some time.
I'm honestly dumbfounded by her ignorance, despite being portrayed as a capable leader.
Cardair, on the other hand, did all the right things except for openly betraying the Aswad.
By spreading news about Mashiro and Arika's whereabouts, as well as the location of the Aswad's village, they made sure that the Aswad won't be left alone by others long enough to launch a proper strike.
And Nagi, I thought he'd know better than to draw such a conclusion in haste.
But since Mashiro is connected to Arika, at least he should know that he can't kill Arika either.
At any rate, I'm curious how the next ep. will turn out.
Each Valkyrie is supposedly equal to (or at least close to) a Meister in power.
And there's 5 of them against Arika alone.
And then there's Mai's long awaited appearance.
Hopefully, we'll finally get to see the more interesting eps.
wombatlord
2006-03-02, 20:50
Oh yeah....regarding the 'Maki Maki' group.....anyone other than me is feeling sorry for the poor snail?:heh:
That was one of the freakiest things I have ever seen.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6341/mashiro7uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I was just looking at this pic for the next episode, and it quite catches my attention.
Looks like Mashiro is being hold of hostage probably by one of the Valkyries and about to be flown away back to Windbloom.
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Iron Maw
2006-03-02, 22:05
After reading some reviews, I concluded that Midori is an airhead afterall.
I thought after what happened recently, she would know better than to leave the village virtually undefended.
Yet, she asked Arika to attack Cardair together with her company.
So if another Meister, or Schwars, shows up, who will defend the Aswad village?
They don't have allies to call upon in times of emergency, nor do they have a standing army to buy them some time.
I'm honestly dumbfounded by her ignorance, despite being portrayed as a capable leader.
But, Midori doesn't even know that Cardair told everyone about Mashiro's whereabouts and probably believes that Cardair's attack was isolated incident.
Besides, Arika and Mashiro are in the village anyway and according to Omni (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/), Midori is impressed with Arika's fighting ablities, and she likely left the safety of the village to them.
ArchDragon
2006-03-02, 22:30
But, Midori doesn't even know that Cardair told everyone about Mashiro's whereabouts and probably believes that Cardair's attack was isolated incident.
She doesn't, but she should've expected Cardair to take some precautionary measures to prevent her from retaliating right away.
She was too eager to carry out her revenge that she forgot to consider the bigger picture.
Besides, Arika and Mashiro are in the village anyway and according to Omni (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/), Midori is impressed with Arika's fighting ablities, and she likely left the safety of the village to them.
In the end, she left them guarding the village.
But in the beginning, she asked them to join her to attack Cardair.
Had Arika and Mashiro agreed, there wouldn't be anyone with superhuman powers left to guard the village.
Hyosuke575
2006-03-02, 22:40
Wondering what Shizuru used that toy for :D :eyebrow: :cool:
Not that again!
Iron Maw
2006-03-02, 22:46
She doesn't, but she should've expected Cardair to take some precautionary measures to prevent her from retaliating right away.
She was too eager to carry out her revenge that she forgot to consider the bigger picture.
I somewhat agree with you here, however that REM deivce is extremely important to the Aswald as well as Midori, and could have pretty bad effects on their village, if isn't returned soon.
In the end, she left them guarding the village.
But in the beginning, she asked them to join her to attack Cardair.
Had Arika and Mashiro agreed, there wouldn't be anyone with superhuman powers left to guard the village.
I think she just wanted Arika and Mashiro to go with her, since a Meister's power should be more sufficient, there is no need for the whole gang to go. Look at the fight in episode 17 when it was just Natsuki and Shizuru against all 5 of them without breaking a sweat, for example.
Catgirls
2006-03-02, 23:12
Mai Otome 21 (SHIHO RLY?) LQ RAW TEASER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cz0ekx2mD0)Sweet! Thanks...
I just finished watching this episode. It's pretty good, very dramatic and serves as good build-up. However, I doubt that the series will end nicely. I mean it's just starting to wrap up, or should I say, begin. If it wasn't for the tons of filler episodes in the beginning of the series, they could've pushed back all these build-up stories and still have some time for a nice ending. No?
Anyway, there were tons of "shiver-in-spine" moments in this episode. Tons of music have been remixed and combined I noticed. It sounds so fitting for the scenes. :)
I'm looking forward to the next episode. Even though the preview shows lots of promised action, I really hope it won't be just a few seconds like what Sunrise loves to pull on us. :mad:
Edit:
Once more, I feel a bit sorry for Tomoe. She finally gets #1 position in something but is once again beaten and pushed to #2, this time by Chie. :heh:
KiraDouji
2006-03-02, 23:22
Short and simple? I enjoyed this episode.
Now, I have to admit when I'm out of my league, and Yuri is certainly out of my league, so can some please explain to me just what the heck all those toys and the vieled commentary is supposed to be hinting at between Shizuru and Tomoe? :twitch:
- Kira
Kenji_Chaos
2006-03-02, 23:24
i will give a 9/10 as well..
looks good..
darn i relli hope that they would just tell us who is the really princess!!
Short and simple? I enjoyed this episode.
Now, I have to admit when I'm out of my league, and Yuri is certainly out of my league, so can some please explain to me just what the heck all those toys and the vieled commentary is supposed to be hinting at between Shizuru and Tomoe? :twitch:
- Kira
Shizuru's having a baby! :heh: Nah, I dunno.
Is anyone else just a tad bit annoyed by Arika's reused footage for her Meister thingy. :(
Is anyone else just a tad bit annoyed by Arika's reused footage for her Meister thingy. :( Haven't seen it yet but I can safely say I won't be annoyed. I'm too familiar with reused footage.
ArchDragon
2006-03-02, 23:34
I somewhat agree with you here, however that REM deivce is extremely important to the Aswald as well as Midori, and could have pretty bad effects on their village, if isn't returned soon.
I don't think that's her top priority, at least no review mention it thus far.
Besides, if that's her objective, shouldn't she scout around first before coming in full force?
Just like when Rad tried to find the hidden passage underneath Fuuka castle.
There was only him and Midori around, and they're riding on camels instead of Childs.
I think she just wanted Arika and Mashiro to go with her, since a Meister's power should be more sufficient, there is no need for the whole gang to go. Look at the fight in episode 17 when it was just Natsuki and Shizuru against all 5 of them without breaking a sweat, for example.
That's a possibility, but again, it seems like Midori simply wants to attack with as much force as possible.
She really need to learn about balance.
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-03, 00:53
I don't know about you guys but for some reason I feel satisifed watching Mimi get axed off like that.
I just hated that girl, I dunno why.
Lackadaisical
2006-03-03, 03:11
I don't see Midori as having much of a choice in this regard.
Aswald, as mentioned, has no allies. It also was not at war within any nations in truth up until now.
Cardair is probably one of the most powerful nations. Aswald is, in effect, five otome level cyborgs and a handful of outcasts. We aren't exactly talking about a nation that can survive a long and hard fight with Cardair.
Aswald, although it is not actively at war with anyone, is likely to have a lot of enemies if they have a habit of going to other countries, searching for lost technology without regard to the countries' rights or opinions, and then leaving. Imagine if Aswald was a group on Earth going around taking nuclear technology as they wished. Aswald wouldn't have many friends even if people didn't spend all their time seeking them out.
If Aswald stays at the village it is effectively stalemated by Cardair. Aswald can't leave the village so long as Cardair might attack. By staying at the village they can protect it, but by staying at the village they Cardair has all the time in the world to implement REM technology. If Midori thinks she needs all four cyborgs with her to defeat Cardair's Otome then what chance does Midori have against Fia and a army of cyborgs?
If they wait at the village, Cardair will become absurdly stronger. Their only choice is to launch a all out assualt against Cardair to bring the war to the end before Cardair can bring to bear its vastly superior resources and now equal technological level. Aswald is essentially destroyed if Cardair imploys REM.
It may seem foolish to abandon defense in favor of attack but Aswald has no choice at this point. If they wait Cardair will grow to strong to be opposed. Even if Cardair decides not to use the new army with the REM data against Aswald, Aswald will never be able to fight Cardair. As such, while Cardair could attack Garderobe and take the technolgy, Aswald would never be able to because Cardair will now be superior because of equal technology and superior numbers.
At this point, Midori has no choice but to put her villagers at risk and attack. If she waits they will either be killed by Cardair or forever stopped from gaining Garderobe's technology unless they kneel to Cardair.
Tiberium Wolf
2006-03-03, 03:18
I still dont get it!
Why does Mai have the robe on with the cooking tools in preview! Was she saving gas or whatever they use to heat up things? :D
I still dont get it!
Why does Mai have the robe on with the cooking tools in preview! Was she saving gas or whatever they use to heat up things? :D I think they're revealing Mai's secret fetish and why she hasn't appeared in the series up to this point. You'll notice she's pissed off because she's been caught in front of the camera.
Tiberium Wolf
2006-03-03, 03:39
Fetish? LOL
Anyway I was talking about Mai using her fire abilities to do some savings! :D
Last_Hope
2006-03-03, 03:44
Fetish? LOL
Anyway I was talking about Mai using her fire abilities to do some savings! :D
Well judging from the OP I wonder if her fire attack is good to use when cooking? :heh:
ArchDragon
2006-03-03, 04:07
I don't see Midori as having much of a choice in this regard.
Aswald, as mentioned, has no allies. It also was not at war within any nations in truth up until now.
Cardair is probably one of the most powerful nations. Aswald is, in effect, five otome level cyborgs and a handful of outcasts. We aren't exactly talking about a nation that can survive a long and hard fight with Cardair.
Aswald, although it is not actively at war with anyone, is likely to have a lot of enemies if they have a habit of going to other countries, searching for lost technology without regard to the countries' rights or opinions, and then leaving. Imagine if Aswald was a group on Earth going around taking nuclear technology as they wished. Aswald wouldn't have many friends even if people didn't spend all their time seeking them out.
If Aswald stays at the village it is effectively stalemated by Cardair. Aswald can't leave the village so long as Cardair might attack. By staying at the village they can protect it, but by staying at the village they Cardair has all the time in the world to implement REM technology. If Midori thinks she needs all four cyborgs with her to defeat Cardair's Otome then what chance does Midori have against Fia and a army of cyborgs?
If they wait at the village, Cardair will become absurdly stronger. Their only choice is to launch a all out assualt against Cardair to bring the war to the end before Cardair can bring to bear its vastly superior resources and now equal technological level. Aswald is essentially destroyed if Cardair imploys REM.
It may seem foolish to abandon defense in favor of attack but Aswald has no choice at this point. If they wait Cardair will grow to strong to be opposed. Even if Cardair decides not to use the new army with the REM data against Aswald, Aswald will never be able to fight Cardair. As such, while Cardair could attack Garderobe and take the technolgy, Aswald would never be able to because Cardair will now be superior because of equal technology and superior numbers.
At this point, Midori has no choice but to put her villagers at risk and attack. If she waits they will either be killed by Cardair or forever stopped from gaining Garderobe's technology unless they kneel to Cardair.
This is where I think she lacks strategic planning.
Midori's REM only lasts 300 seconds, not enough time to take down a Meister.
Especially if you take into account the fact that none of them can fly, while Meisters excell in airborne combat.
And except for Gal, which seems to be the weakest among them, none of them has effective long range weapons.
Now their childs can fly, but it's like trying to ram speed boats with battleships.
Once Midori's REM breaks, she becomes a sitting duck.
They'll have to either retreat or risk losing Midori, their leader.
This is why Midori wants Arika's help, she needs someone to knock Fia out of the air so the Aswad can finish her off quickly.
IMO, their current situation calls for a covert operation.
Similar to what Rad tried to do early on under the Fuuka castle.
A headlong strike might fit the Aswad better, but it's certainly NOT their best option.
Mai's back. The tides of battle has turned! That's all I can say about this one. Either way it will go ill for Nagi and Shwartz anyway....
Now let's see how these poor girls will react when my beloved Mai comes along....
GO MAI! KICK SLAVE BUTT WITH A WOK!
Tempest35
2006-03-03, 06:39
Mai's back. The tides of battle has turned! That's all I can say about this one. Either way it will go ill for Nagi and Shwartz anyway....
Now let's see how these poor girls will react when my beloved Mai comes along....
GO MAI! KICK SLAVE BUTT WITH A WOK!
The wok and ladle are just her training items. :D
And if she is indeed cooking for Mikoto of all people, she'd need all the stoves and fire she could get to keep her fed - only a Meister could do that. :)
Well judging from the OP I wonder if her fire attack is good to use when cooking? :heh:
Just remember not to ask for your meat to be serve half rare or sushi ... Best to ask for a fully cook barbecue ... Im sure it'll be fine :D
:heh:
:topicoff: @ L_H : Got trashed by Ireland???
ShinigamiRukia
2006-03-03, 07:28
I don't know about you guys but for some reason I feel satisifed watching Mimi get axed off like that.
I just hated that girl, I dunno why.
She kinda got on my bad side also, cuz of the way she was when aoi threw herself, but i couldent help but nearly die laughing wjen she went flying onto the air. it just looked so funny. Also i think mashiro should just keep being the queen anyone else agree?
Last_Hope
2006-03-03, 07:56
Just remember not to ask for your meat to be serve half rare or sushi ... Best to ask for a fully cook barbecue ... Im sure it'll be fine :D
:heh:
:topicoff: @ L_H : Got trashed by Ireland???
Ah, I actually preferr my stake rare or medium-rare. Guess I´ll have to go with chicken then. I suppose the birdflu virus will die when she´s done with the course... :heh:
I haven´t seen the episode yet but is that Aoi lying in the bed with Chie watching?
:topicoff:
Yeah we really were and here is the reason why.
Petter Hansson, Kim Källström, Tobias Linderoth (the central line against Ireland) and Alexander Östlund. These players are always worthless in the national team but they still get picked every single time... I want Lars Lagerbäck (the manager) to get fired! We could have had a chance to go really far in the World Cup but with him as the manager... We won´t make it past the group stage! We have the players but with a coach unable to do changes midgame to change the game to our favour...:frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:
First, it was a rather nice episode. Somehow the whole thing was a "turning-" and "startpoint" for the final of Otome.
I don't have a problem with the reuse of footage for Arika since she only finished some random grunt enemy.
The thing I do have a little problem with is the lack of real Otome fights. Not that I would be such an action fanatic, but it would be nice to see some real Otome action at least once. The only interesting fights fights in my point of view were the very short Rado vs Shizuru and Arika vs Nina (first one with the coral robes).
Why is Mai wearing a robe?
Since the bad guys EMPed the academy and all the other pillars can't use their robes right now, how come she can do it?
What was that scene supposed to tell us where Shizuru is sitting on the bed with all that toys? I don't get it...
What was that scene where Nina attacks Mikoto and we see that statue being cut in half supposed to mean or show?
Those cat figures most probably represent Mikoto's clone or something. Thats the best I can come up with. And the cat Mikoto and the human Mikoto...they're either related or they're the same person. I'm sure another of the cat figure will just break if the cat Mikoto were to die or something.
KiraDouji
2006-03-03, 10:07
Why is Mai wearing a robe?
Since the bad guys EMPed the academy and all the other pillars can't use their robes right now, how come she can do it?
What was that scene supposed to tell us where Shizuru is sitting on the bed with all that toys? I don't get it...
What was that scene where Nina attacks Mikoto and we see that statue being cut in
half supposed to mean or show?
1. Mai can wear her robe because she's not connected to Shinso. It's the same reason Arika, Fia, Haruka, and Nina can wear their robes: they are connected through their individual GEMs to a master still fully functioning. All the teachers and pillars were connected to Shinso as if Shinso were their master, thus when Shinso was "short circuited" they can no longer acquire "permission" to materialize. The other caveat to this, of course, is that Mai found some way to activate the robe without acquiring a master.
2. I have no CLUE about the toys. Believe me, I asked too.
3. My guess is that "shadow mikoto" is linked with every cat statue shown there. Probably something along the lines of: when every statue is broken, Mikoto will show up. Just my guess though.:heh:
- Kira
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-03, 11:23
She kinda got on my bad side also, cuz of the way she was when aoi threw herself, but i couldent help but nearly die laughing wjen she went flying onto the air. it just looked so funny. Also i think mashiro should just keep being the queen anyone else agree?
Maybe, but I think it's something else, maybe her attitude.
I think by the end of the series despite whether or not Mashiro is the queen she'll end up being the queen anyways. She's now on the path to being a good leader.
But I have to wonder about the circumstances surrounding Mimi's untimely demise...I mean seriously, 3 deaths around these two girls just to give them the necessary will to fight? No points in my book for that...
Aoi is so not dead (I bet Chie was visiting her in the hospital in this episode) but you are basically right. It was a plot device after a plot device just in order for Sunrise to boast with their "incredible" character development. And I still find Mahiro very annoying, just a bit less so than few episodes ago. Not a good enough reson to waste these episodes on her development but what do I know, I am just a simple troll. :heh:
Anyway, this episode wasn't too bad. Not that this is a difficult thing to achieve after the previous one but still. Some more comments:
Why the hell the fight between Mikoto and Nina was barely shown?
Everyone seems to come to the secret village of Aswad these days, it's about time Midori and co to realise that it's not that hidden anymore. ;)
So someone kept the picture that showed the capsule in the room where Nina was found and Nagi happened to see it just now? Yeah, right, that sounds very plausible indeed...
Shiho is such a waste of time.
Nao, Natsuki and Haruka as usual are on the verge of doing something but never get around to actually doing it. Talk about deja-vu.
This Jabal creature (the same from before or a new one?) appears again just when the characters were in doubt about what to do. Seems that I was right to name it a plot device creature.
How the hell Mashiro pushed Rad and got to Arika in order to allow her to materialise? That was so unbelievable that I laughed out loud.
Anyway, I have been saying for quite a long time that the ending will be rushed and the little plot development in this episode seems to confirm my prediction.
For those who see Enseisong last picture
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/316/1141319926262d8361jb.jpg
A Better Mai :)
You know I have to sort of laugh at this pic. Moreso because it's so odd. Not only that, it's weird that this shot popped up about a couple of weeks after a certain Japanese fansite did a joke strip based on 'Mai' and 'Aoi'.
For those that were wondering what happened to 'Aoi' when she fell off the cliff. According to his joke strip 'Mai' happens to show up and rescues 'Aoi' in her mouth while holding a pair of chopsticks. Meanwhile 'Aoi' comments that she's not "gyoza".
Now we have this shot of 'Mai' holding a cooking utensil. And that 'Aoi' might be alive but not because of the above reasons. As I said this strip was done 2 weeks beforehand. What did the artist know? Was it an odd coincidence? :hmm:
As for 'Mai', as the saying goes "saving the best for last".
Personally, I have to honestly say that 'Mai-Otome' is the most awkward of the series as far as story goes. I think 'Sunrise' really rushed this one. But I'm sure they'll pull something spectacular out of their butts soon. I think this instalment is best viewed back to back. Having to wait for the episodes each week, with them having nothing to show on various episodes is making me have that dreadful feeling "why am I watching this again?" It shows that 'MH' is the stronger of both series.
friendshipz
2006-03-03, 12:09
as for speculation, aoi was recused by the solider(cant be chie) than bring back to windbloom , than chie heard the news of aoi being captured,( cant remember which esp but the scene was where chie followed tomoe-tachi and overheard something from the solider when she was hiding behind the tree)
btw it cant be mai who recuse aoi ...if not the person that chie visit cant be aoi...
mai definately is related to mikoto, just like i had said before , they are bring plots from MH to MO at a different angle, just like from this esp , midori and mashiro join forces, and from MH, mashiro entrust the keys to midori. they are two different plots but both are linked in common to each other indirect ways.
so its plausible that mai materialize just to cook some food for mikoto while mikoto is still slping.. mai dunno the ancient version of making up fire by stone and rocks so the most high tech things is to use her own fire..
funny part..natsuki said: "lets go back to gardorode" and this is wat nao said: are u going to hich -hiking again..." Lolz..
As for 'Mai', as the saying goes "saving the best for last".
*Raises eyebrows* That would be a matter of opinion.. Natsuki was always my favourite..
Those cat figures most probably represent Mikoto's clone or something. Thats the best I can come up with. And the cat Mikoto and the human Mikoto...they're either related or they're the same person. I'm sure another of the cat figure will just break if the cat Mikoto were to die or something.
My Theory is, Those Cat Figure was surely her lives...
I'm thinking about this because if Nina slash her Dark Mikoto of The Harmonium Out, One of 7 of Figures cut... Maybe her(The Mikoto who awake up) and Mikoto(The cat) are 2 last life and 7+2= 9 lifes...
A Cat has 9 lives? Mikoto has 9 Lives:heh:
Hmm...
Natsuki: Still useless.
Arika: Still stupid.
Mashiro: Forced character development with yet another minor character death that had very little relavence to the plot as a whole. LAME!
Chie: Watching over a mostly dead Aoi. LAME!
Mimi: Dead... so now what?
The Maki Maki Squad: ...I'm gonna have nightmares about that...
Shizuru: Whipped.
Mikoto: Most likely hungry...somewhere.
Midori: Hungry for blood, though somewhat foolishly leaving her home to a stupid main character and powerless queen... I mean, Rado could take on and possibly defeat a Pillar, why not just send him alone?
Rado: Ok... let me get this straight... he let a stick figure of a fourteen year old toss him off balance when he could have won against a Pillar of Shinsou? What's wrong here?!
Sergei: Leading the Evil Grrl Squad!
Nagi: Still an evil little snot.
Nina: Still an emo little snot.
Mai: IT'S ABOUT FRICKING TIME!! Now start burning stuff and make the pain of enduring all the wank in this series go away, please!
Sunrise writers: You suck. Why not try to write one whole cohesive story instead of wasting all this time with filler.
End Result:
Below Average, but only because I'm partly delirious from the fact we're going to see the title character return next week.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-03, 13:47
Rado: Ok... let me get this straight... he let a stick figure of a fourteen year old toss him off balance when he could have won against a Pillar of Shinsou? What's wrong here?!
Watch it again, Midori signal to him to let Mashiro and Arika get away with it.
Watch it again, Midori signal to him to let Mashiro and Arika get away with it.
That's not the point, the point is that Mashiro pushed this very strong cyborg with ease and got past him before the signal from Midori.
That's not the point, the point is that Mashiro pushed this very strong cyborg with ease and got past him before the signal from Midori.
Be fair. Mashiro was plot driven.
I mean come on.
Imagine the scene in a "realistic" way:
Mashiro jumps to hit him in order to activate Arikas robe because she finally starts feeling like a queen (in terms of being responsible for her people). Rodo, completely unimpressed, gives her straight punch in the abdomen out of pure reflexes. Mashiro is knocked out, all the people down there die...
You get the idea, right?
Imagine the scene in a "realistic" way:
Mashiro jumps to hit him in order to activate Arikas robe because she finally starts feeling like a queen (in terms of being responsible for her people). Rodo, completely unimpressed, gives her straight punch in the abdomen out of pure reflexes. Mashiro is knocked out, all the people down there die...
That would have been an awesome scene. I am perfectly serious.
Of course Mashiro's action were plot driven. That doesn't make the scene any less pathetic, though.
Ok, I watched it. Thanks to a fast DL. Though I watched it RAW didn't do it without help. Thank you to those who are studying Japanese and blogging it raw. Sunrise you're really trying hard with this one. It's almost like I'm waiting for them to drop the script. I still love the series but I gave up trying to understand the tidbits. The only thing that is pretty straightforeward is the whole "quest for power" deal. As for who the princess is...well, it's so hard to tell because even if you managed to figure it out you still have one extra person. Someone found 'Mashiro' and handed her over. Nobody questioned it. Someone found 'Arika' only difference is that she's got the 'Sapphire of the Azure Sky', the only possible proof I could think of that would identify the true heir. Then we have 'Nina'. If she's the princess then someone switched something. Could be 'Rena's daugther. That's my thoughts. Don't know if anyone else thought this. But it always seems that the last place you look is under your nose. But we'll see.
As for 'Shiho', hoo boy. And 'Shizuru'? Hoo boy. And Tomoe, she just graduated from evil to pure evil. I never trusted 'Cartylea' in the mix. And the whole allegiance thing between 'Mashiro' and Midori' moved me.
Hopefully, next week's episode won't be a teaser.
Ronin Aquila
2006-03-03, 16:48
If Mai ONLY shows up as a shilouette and ONLY at the END of the Next Episode:
1) Fukuda's Wife has been at the script-typewriter again. :mad:
2) The Director REALLY needs to be strangled with Barb-Wire. :) :p :D
Tempest35
2006-03-03, 17:37
Ok, I watched it. Thanks to a fast DL. Though I watched it RAW didn't do it without help. Thank you to those who are studying Japanese and blogging it raw. Sunrise you're really trying hard with this one. It's almost like I'm waiting for them to drop the script. I still love the series but I gave up trying to understand the tidbits. The only thing that is pretty straightforeward is the whole "quest for power" deal. As for who the princess is...well, it's so hard to tell because even if you managed to figure it out you still have one extra person. Someone found 'Mashiro' and handed her over. Nobody questioned it. Someone found 'Arika' only difference is that she's got the 'Sapphire of the Azure Sky', the only possible proof I could think of that would identify the true heir. Then we have 'Nina'. If she's the princess then someone switched something. Could be 'Rena's daugther. That's my thoughts. Don't know if anyone else thought this. But it always seems that the last place you look is under your nose. But we'll see.
Okay, quick one sentence re-cap of what the old dying oba-san told Sergay...Rena put the Princess into the capsule along with the Azure Sky Sapphire.
Now as for her own child, could she have also been put into a similar capsule as well? If we were to find that there were two capsules, then as it stands, Arika would be the Princess and Nina would be Rena's daugther. The possibility of a switch-up is still strong since what happened in the 3-5 years right after the Windbloom invasion's not clear. But after this ep, Nina's looking more and more like Rena's real daughter than anyone else.
Now, how does Mikoto and Mai figure into this...was Mai leaving Garderobe pre-ordained? Her leaving didn't seem like fate but that's 'destiny' for ya. Sleeping Mikoto needed a guardian while she protected the Harmonium and who better than a top-ranked potential Pillar? I'm thinking that MIYU would be much better for the job unless MIYU found Mai and 'recruited' her for the job while she went on an extended vacation. :heh:
Winchester
2006-03-03, 18:49
If Mai ONLY shows up as a shilouette and ONLY at the END of the Next Episode:
1) Fukuda's Wife has been at the script-typewriter again. :mad:
2) The Director REALLY needs to be strangled with Barb-Wire. :) :p :D
Notice the red eyes in the screenshot? She is one seriously unhappy lady in that pic... I get the feeling she's just walked in on an unwelcome intruder in her kitchen or something. (Mikoto? Or someone more sinister?)
Episode comments in general: I have no Japanese skills to speak of - I recognize common exclamations, but that's about it. Still, this episode looked neat - too bad the opening teaser remained just that, a teaser.
Hope Tomoe gets an attack of the sparklies in the next episode - I'd feel very cheated if they actually manage to abduct Mashiro... Trying that, on top of directing *four* attempts on Arika (that I remember, anyway), is hopefully enough to piss Ariuka off to the point where she permanently deals with the little bitch. Depends on Chie turning coat again, though...
SP
ArchDragon
2006-03-03, 19:12
Hope Tomoe gets an attack of the sparklies in the next episode - I'd feel very cheated if they actually manage to abduct Mashiro... Trying that, on top of directing *four* attempts on Arika (that I remember, anyway), is hopefully enough to piss Ariuka off to the point where she permanently deals with the little bitch. Depends on Chie turning coat again, though...
SP
Barring yet another lame miracle, there's no way the Valkyrie squad can fail.
It's 5 against 1.
So even if Arika is stronger than any of them, they can always send one out to search and knock out Mashiro (and Arika with her) while the rest kept Arika busy.
And if the reviews are correct, there's a "loyalty" function built-in into the Valkyrie GEMs, so Chie can't just betray Sergay right off the bat.
Plus Aoi is in Artai's hands, so Chie has absolutely NO choice atm. but to follow orders.
But, it's Sunrise, so anything can happen.
I gave up trying to make sense of the events in MO already.
I'll just patiently wait and see if I can enjoy the series nevertheless.
wombatlord
2006-03-03, 19:27
Barring yet another lame miracle, there's no way the Valkyrie squad can fail.
It's 5 against 1.
So even if Arika is stronger than any of them, they can always send one out to search and knock out Mashiro (and Arika with her) while the rest kept Arika busy.
The thing about Otomes is that they don't seem to have any training in group tactics, given they are normally solo operators.
But what i think is going to be the decisive factor is that Miyu is going to show up (we see her facing Mikoto-cat in the next ep. preview).
Question...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5931/hk6gq.jpg whos this Girl?? Aoi?? 0_0
ArchDragon
2006-03-03, 20:34
Question...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5931/hk6gq.jpg whos this Girl?? Aoi?? 0_0
That's the most common assumption right now.
To be honest, noone knows for sure.
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The thing about Otomes is that they don't seem to have any training in group tactics, given they are normally solo operators.
But what i think is going to be the decisive factor is that Miyu is going to show up (we see her facing Mikoto-cat in the next ep. preview).
That's why Sergay went with them, instead of just giving them instructions from afar.
He's supposed to give them strategic guidance.
And Miyu would have to be ridiculously powerful to keep FIVE Valkyries at bay.
Just saw the raw, I was just randomly thinking on no basis whatsoever that Mikoto the cat could be Mai in disguise.:heh: Miyu shows up, the cat blocks her way and suddenly turns into Mai. Later on she goes to the kitchen to make food for herself. Mikoto is always hungry.
brightman
2006-03-03, 21:35
If Mai ONLY shows up as a shilouette and ONLY at the END of the Next Episode:
1) Fukuda's Wife has been at the script-typewriter again. :mad:
Uh... No. If she was, then Mai would have came back in Ep 3 and became a boring character who steals the main character spot from Arika in Ep 15.
Which is why I don't understand why people want her back so much... Do they really want another GSD?
imperialmog
2006-03-03, 21:49
What is the deal with Shiho's scenes? It looked like someone must of been very stoned or something. I do get the feeling whoever is directing those scenes must have some real fun doing them. That and throw some more lighthearted scenes at this point can be a help in preventing things from getting too dark.
Uh... No. If she was, then Mai would have came back in Ep 3 and became a boring character who steals the main character spot from Arika in Ep 15.
Which is why I don't understand why people want her back so much... Do they really want another GSD?
Well, frankly with all the over-used "teasers" and red herring(sp?), MO is very well on its way to becoming just as bad as GSD.
How many times were we told that Arika/Nina is the real princess? Ever since episode 1...I'd say about at least 5 times. It gets tiring.
Of course, things seem to be improving (this episode especially) judging from the screencaps and blogs alone. But its far from a "great" rating...
brightman
2006-03-03, 22:57
Well, frankly with all the over-used "teasers" and red herring(sp?), MO is very well on its way to becoming just as bad as GSD.
How many times were we told that Arika/Nina is the real princess? Ever since episode 1...I'd say about at least 5 times. It gets tiring.
Really? When? I remember that Arika was "revealed" to be the real princess once... And now the Nina thing comes up. When else? I don't seem to get this "tiring" feeling that you're getting, that's for sure.
Really, the red herrings are supposed to give you a sense of mystery and doubt (though I admit that its a bit obvious now). They are meant to cloud the pasts of the characters so that the people who actually care (you don't seem to be one of them, I suppose) will speculate about it. They aren't there for no reason, like many of the things GSD were, and you do get the sense that this is actually something that will be resolved and isn't just out of the blue, unlike the GSD stuff.
Really? When? I remember that Arika was "revealed" to be the real princess once... And now the Nina thing comes up. When else? I don't seem to get this "tiring" feeling that you're getting, that's for sure.
Really, the red herrings are supposed to give you a sense of mystery and doubt (though I admit that its a bit obvious now). They are meant to cloud the pasts of the characters so that the people who actually care (you don't seem to be one of them, I suppose) will speculate about it. They aren't there for no reason, like many of the things GSD were, and you do get the sense that this is actually something that will be resolved and isn't just out of the blue, unlike the GSD stuff.
Um, ok, not really princess then, rather being hinted as Rena's daughter AND who the princess is, combined.
You see, from episode 1, people started to speculate on who Rena's daughter is, who the real princess is, and who Mashiro is. 20 episodes later, and we're even being further confused by the showing of the escape capsule (at Nina's flash back), the old lady who claims the baby with the pendent is the real princess, Arika looking ridiculously like Rena in terms of face alike-ness.
And like I said, after 20 episodes, we STILL dont know who is who. 20 episodes of shrouding the past of characters? Thats a bit too much, for a 26 episode anime. I know that red herrings are serving their purpose of putting up a "mystery" about character's past. but when they do that for 20 episodes, the sense of mystery becomes confusion.
Oh yes, of course MO is different from GSD: infact, it is doing everything directly opposite of GSD, but they still have something in common: over-usage. How many times have we seen Arika question her reason for becoming an Otome? plenty. How many times do we see Mashiro getting depressed that she isnt a good queen? plenty as well. And, how many battle scenes have been cut so far? 3. The 2 Meisters from the 2 border countries (starting with R), Nina vs Arika (both in Meister robes, but the battle never really started, and ended with a big explosion), and Nina vs the shadow that looks like Mikoto (recent episode).
Schneizel
2006-03-03, 23:50
Okay, quick one sentence re-cap of what the old dying oba-san told Sergay...Rena put the Princess into the capsule along with the Azure Sky Sapphire.
Haven't your read Good Omens? Baby switching is very easy. ; )
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-03, 23:58
You see, from episode 1, people started to speculate on who Rena's daughter is, who the real princess is, and who Mashiro is. 20 episodes later, and we're even being further confused by the showing of the escape capsule (at Nina's flash back), the old lady who claims the baby with the pendent is the real princess, Arika looking ridiculously like Rena in terms of face alike-ness.
....I think that was the whole point. To keep viewers guessing and guessing like mad.
brightman
2006-03-04, 00:00
How many times have we seen Arika question her reason for becoming an Otome? plenty. How many times do we see Mashiro getting depressed that she isnt a good queen? plenty as well.
Funny... The two examples you've given have only been happening since, like, two episodes ago? :heh:
Well, Mashiro's been depressed for a while, but we didn't see much of her until three eps ago anyway. So, uh, plenty? Not really.
As for the real princess thing... Its pretty obvious that they wouldn't reveal that thing outright, since it always seemed to have something to do with the main plot. So I don't see this as a storyline being dragged on. Its more like a underlying mystery that the plot is constantly trying to solve... I mean, 26 episodes isn't much, actually. There are shows where the identity of a certain character is opened to speculation for hundreds of episodes.
So like I said, I'm not getting your feelings of repetition.
....I think that was the whole point. To keep viewers guessing and guessing like mad.
Ditto.
And, how many battle scenes have been cut so far? 3. The 2 Meisters from the 2 border countries (starting with R), Nina vs Arika (both in Meister robes, but the battle never really started, and ended with a big explosion), and Nina vs the shadow that looks like Mikoto (recent episode).
Um, that sort of thing happened in MH aswell. They never showed the battles with Fumi (Midori vs Fumi, Mikoto vs Fumi) and Yukino vs Shizuru never really started at all, Yukino just tryed to have Diana attack and she just got defeated in an instant.
That's why Sergay went with them, instead of just giving them instructions from afar.
He's supposed to give them strategic guidance.
And Miyu would have to be ridiculously powerful to keep FIVE Valkyries at bay.
Of course she's ridiculously powerful. The only difference between her and Shizuru is the fetish they're made for. Unless, with any hope, that she's been seriously nerfed this time around, which I doubt.
ArchDragon
2006-03-04, 01:01
Of course she's ridiculously powerful. The only difference between her and Shizuru is the fetish they're made for. Unless, with any hope, that she's been seriously nerfed this time around, which I doubt.
She wasn't ridiculously overpowered in MH.
Mai cs. drove her back when they rescued Natsuki.
Powered up Mikoto drove her back from attacking the Kokuyougo.
She only looked overpowered because of Akane's weakness, and the fact that the HiMEs are still growing.
philip72
2006-03-04, 01:36
The only difference between her and Shizuru is the fetish they're made for.
I understand what you're talking about in regards to Shizuru, but what do you mean in regards to Miyu?:confused:
I understand what you're talking about in regards to Shizuru, but what do you mean in regards to Miyu?:confused:
Fetish for protecting Alyssa and doing what she can to help her?
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-04, 02:11
Well she's an android programmed to protect Alyssa. Describing it as fetish is a little extreme don't you think?
Well she's an android programmed to protect Alyssa. Describing it as fetish is a little extreme don't you think?
While it is not extreem enough to be called one, she sure as hell is going out of her way to protect Alyssa and showing her so much affecton.
Winchester
2006-03-04, 07:29
*Viewer*, not character fetishes. Miyu is the "Android protector" - compare her to Chachamaru of Negima, just to point out the most obvious recent example I could come up with. Shizuru is the "Flirty lesbian", at least in MO - in MH, she was an "Insane stalker" (there was a whole lot of that going on in MH...)
ANYWAY... Arika kissed Mashiro's ring, and both gems sparkled. Mikoto looked like someone had just served her a bathtub full of cream.... I'm pretty certain that this did *something* but I'm not sure what. One guess is that Miyu won't be able to remove the gems anymore, but I don't see that being tested again. I'm not holding my breath for a new robe, even if that would be nice... Did they unlock more power(s)?
SP
....I think that was the whole point. To keep viewers guessing and guessing like mad.
Keeping viewers guessing is great, I love guessing plot twists. But the whole "Who is the real princess?" ended up being interesting many episodes ago - too many twists, too contrived situation, IMHO. And it's still very much not clear why who the real princess should be such an important issue to Nagi.
Oh yes, of course MO is different from GSD: infact, it is doing everything directly opposite of GSD, but they still have something in common: over-usage. How many times have we seen Arika question her reason for becoming an Otome? plenty. How many times do we see Mashiro getting depressed that she isnt a good queen? plenty as well.
Exactly. The Otome script writers try way too hard to have some development of the main characters but they totally overdo things. Instead of having Mashiro doubt her abilities as a queen once in a while she does it all the time, Arika is always either ridiculoulsy cheerful or absurdly angsty and depressed and Nina is freaking crazy. How many times we have seen Tomoe being jealous of Arika (or maybe hating her for some unknown reason :)) and plotting against her? Too many. Can we move on to the actual plot, please, rather than witness basically the same events happening again and again? I guess in the next episode Tomoe will try to harm Arika for an umpteenth time and will fail yet again, Mashiro will again ponder on her future as a queen, while Arika is going to be very depressed because she will kill one or more enemies and will spend the next episode thinking whether the Otomes are good or bad. :) I so hope I am wrong.
K-Sight[3]
2006-03-04, 13:56
sry if i'm posting in the wrong section but where r u guys getting these episodes? static has only gone to 19 >.<
']sry if i'm posting in the wrong section but where r u guys getting these episodes? static has only gone to 19 >.<
Doremi-Fansubs ;)
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-04, 15:48
Keeping viewers guessing is great, I love guessing plot twists. But the whole "Who is the real princess?" ended up being interesting many episodes ago - too many twists, too contrived situation, IMHO. And it's still very much not clear why who the real princess should be such an important issue to Nagi.
"whoever controls the real princess rules the world."
-Nagi, I can't remember where he stated that but he did say it to Sergay.
That and the princess is needed to activate the harmonium as well which apparently will release the technology back into the world according to Nagi which he says is his dream.
So there are two reasons why this is important to him, I cannot see how you missed that. It's obvious that unlocking the Harmonium is gonna be serious and on a massive scale so it's obviously saved up for the climax.
It's obviously clear that finding the real princess is a very serious matter.
This series is still better than GSD because it lacks over 20 reused scenes per episode. Well, there's around 3-4 nowadays, but that's still loads better. I actually liked this episode, for the beginning, the Rado getting hit by Mashiro, and the ending. Other than that this episode was just a set up for the end of the "Hero's Journey".
"whoever controls the real princess rules the world."
Yes, I know that but why exactly the princess is that important? One'd think that with all the hints about who the princess is they should have included a few things about why should we actually care for other reason than to test our guessing skills. I don't think the reason is just the fact that she is one fo the three who unlock the harmonium. And I don't think I am missing anything about the Harmonium itsel, I keep sayng that it will be the ultimate plot device in the end. :heh: In the end people find this mystery fascinating, I find it boring, let's just agree to disagree.
Iron Maw
2006-03-04, 17:36
Exactly. The Otome script writers try way too hard to have some development of the main characters but they totally overdo things. Instead of having Mashiro doubt her abilities as a queen once in a while she does it all the time, Arika is always either ridiculoulsy cheerful or absurdly angsty and depressed and Nina is freaking crazy.
She has only doubted her abilities as Queen twice through out the entire show and with good reason. Mashiro for the first time met someone who actually criticized her dorectly by looking at her ruling of country and the state of it's people.
Second is when she lost her entire Kingdom and learned the harsh cold truth of her actions and how her people really view her which lead to Aoi's death.
Arika is normally happy and she only been depressed twice and again, with good reason. The first one was because she was faced with a choice that all Otome go to through, one that forced Mai to exile herself and Akane to run-off with Kazu. The second was her inability to change what happened back in episode 17 resulting in the death of Erstin's and her severed friendship with Nina.
Arika isn't in her humble country anymore where she got her outlook of life from. She in a much complicated world now.
It's hardly been repetitive.
How many times we have seen Tomoe being jealous of Arika (or maybe hating her for some unknown reason :)) and plotting against her? Too many. Can we move on to the actual plot, please, rather than witness basically the same events happening again and again?.
Most of Tomoe actions against have all happen within the plot. Arika and Erstin's dangerous situation with Lumen Episode 9 for instance was the due Tomoe as well as Arika nearly getting raped and Miya leaving.
I guess in the next episode Tomoe will try to harm Arika for an umpteenth time and will fail yet again, .
Ofcourse Tomoe will try to kill Arika and she now has to power to do it and no longer needs to hiding that fact. Her hatred hasn't disappeared.
Mashiro will again ponder on her future as a queen,
I don't see how that's going to happen with Mashiro since she's made her resolution and is finally on the right to becoming a decent Queen, through her own hands. She lived in the real world and has opened her eyes, which why the episode is called "the White Princess Awakens"
while Arika is going to be very depressed because she will kill one or more enemies and will spend the next episode thinking whether the Otomes are good or bad. :) I so hope I am wrong.
I don't see this happening either unless she discovers who the Valkyries really are and even then she likely get over it after a bit of time. Their aren't as close to her as Erstin was nor does shun her powers anymore now that she made her own vow to Mashiro as her choice. The path of a Otome will always involve bloodshed, so she can't shy away from that.
The path of a Otome will always involve bloodshed, so she can't shy away from that.
Just wait and see. The path may involve bloodshed but I don't recall Arika killing someone so far, hence when that happens she will have a new opportunity to get depressed while waiting for a new plot device to get her out of her depression.
Most of Tomoe actions against have all happen within the plot. Arika and Erstin's dangerous situation with Lumen Episode 9 for instance was the due Tomoe as well as Arika nearly getting raped and Miya leaving.
What do you mean happen within the plot? I thought everything that happened by default was part of the plot.:) The question is whether the main plot could live without some of these "I want to get Arika expelled or killed" sub-plots. I think we could have done without a few of Tomoe's attempts to harm Arika once it was established clearly that she hated her. It was repetitive.
She has only doubted her abilities as Queen twice through out the entire show and with good reason. Mashiro for the first time met someone who actually criticized her dorectly by looking at her ruling of country and the state of it's people.
Second is when she lost her entire Kingdom and learned the harsh cold truth of her actions and how her people really view her which lead to Aoi's death.
The first of the two occasions started the process of doubt in episode 11 which hopefully ended in episode 21. So maybe not all the time, just half of the series. You have a point here. :) But I also meant that ever since she was very young and overheard the people saying she wasn't the real princess Mashiro herself had doubts about that and that was one of the reasons she was so annoying and had an attitude as if the whole world was against her. It's all "Am I good queen?" when it's not "Am I the real queen?". Everyone could see the whole "Mashiro finally sees her mistakes and is now ready to be a Great Queen (tm)" plotline coming a mile away.
It's hardly been repetitive.
I didn't say it was repetitive, I said it was a bit extreme. Arika is either extremely cheerful or so depressed that it seems as if she is going to kill herself this instant. Nothing in between. Nothing subtle about her character development.
Okay, quick one sentence re-cap of what the old dying oba-san told Sergay...Rena put the Princess into the capsule along with the Azure Sky Sapphire.
Now as for her own child, could she have also been put into a similar capsule as well? If we were to find that there were two capsules, then as it stands, Arika would be the Princess and Nina would be Rena's daugther. The possibility of a switch-up is still strong since what happened in the 3-5 years right after the Windbloom invasion's not clear. But after this ep, Nina's looking more and more like Rena's real daughter than anyone else.
Oh, I know all that. I never forgot it. She also said that even if the princess was a "fake" if she has the potential of ruling 'Windbloom' that would be ok too. Mashiro is the only person that was handed over without any proof. Many us weren't sure we could accept 'Mashiro' being 'Rena's daughter because she didn't look much like 'Rena' and the fact that we wanted 'Arika' to be 'Rena's daughter. Hell, how do you think 'Arika' is feeling about all this mumbo jumbo? But as we go on we get a little more info. That's when I started piecing together my own thoughts about 'Nina'.
Remember we never knew that there was another child that was being saved beside the princess. Rena handed her child over to some royal servants. Now some viewers asked "why would 'Rena' leave her child behind?" Well, it's not that she wanted to. When you have "royal" obligations (which she carried out despite being retired in her position as an otome) your life comes last. The last heir to 'Windbloom' could NOT be lost. In the meantime she made sure that her child was safe before she carried out that mission. And we all know what happen to 'Rena' afterwards. The gem was placed on the princess as "proof". Windbloom's otome, and Windbloom's princess. Now if 'Arika' is the princess then she ended up in the right hands. If her adopted grandma knew that what she harbored was a otome's gem then imagine how many other people might have known that as well. 'Arika' could have ended up in anyone's hands. As for the other child who was shipped off, we NEVER saw what it looked like. Considering that 'Nina' had no past history. But from what we now know she ended up being part of a group that recruits children for turning them into assassins. This is one part of her past that she remembers but chooses not to. But she does have a past memory. Surely, we didn't forget the vision of 'Rena' she had while drowning in the pool. If I had to take a guess that was probably 'Rena's final goodbye. Then there's the capsule. Well, we had to put the babies into something. can't very well send them up river in a "blanky". And that capsule also ended up in the group's bunker. So chances are 'Nina' may or may not have ended up making it to an orphanage. But we can assume that she was found. Also, here's the bigger irony. 'Nina' has been lovesick over sweet papa 'Sergay'. Sergay is still lovesick over a woman who was not only way over his age range and status, but DEAD! He causes enough trouble by secretly supporting a girl that he believed was 'Rena's daughter. Let alone finding a little orphan girl. And if you noticed most of 'Nina's pain was competing with 'Rena'. The one person who has daddy's attention like a moth to a flame. I said, y'know it would be really ironic if the woman that 'Nina' had so much dislike for and trying so hard to compete against was her mother. And in the meantime, 'Sergay' has his nose so hard to the grindstone that he probably doesn't realized that he treated 'Rena's daughter so bad. Want to add more insult to injury? If 'Rena' is 'Nina's mother then she would be an heir for the 'Sapphire of the Azure' sky. Damn, 'Arika' took that too! And believe me based on 'Nagi's findings her's even more giddy about it. It's just TOOO RICH!!! Afterall the irony and the tragedy of this whole series is between 'Arika' and 'Nina'. That's all revealed in the 2nd OP. Now as to what role 'Mashiro' will play is anyone's guess. I had some thoughts that she might have been a "pawn" from 'Cartylea'. I only say this because the person that brought her in as a baby had robes similar to those of 'Cartylea's kingdom. But I could be wrong. But what we do know is that all 3 of them are needed to activate that DAMN 'Harmonium'. If 'Nina' and 'Arika' know the damn song it's because someone very close to both of them sang it to them. As to why 'Mashiro' knows it, who knows. Will, we ever know what that shadowy figure is in the first OP?
Now, how does Mikoto and Mai figure into this...was Mai leaving Garderobe pre-ordained? Her leaving didn't seem like fate but that's 'destiny' for ya. Sleeping Mikoto needed a guardian while she protected the Harmonium and who better than a top-ranked potential Pillar? I'm thinking that MIYU would be much better for the job unless MIYU found Mai and 'recruited' her for the job while she went on an extended vacation. :heh:
Hey, maybe Mai's pissed off because 'Mikoto' never came back to eat her cooking. Hey, I'm still wondering about the damn soup spoon. Someone at Sunrise was smoking some serious stuff. :p They messed up on the continuuity, putting the flame on her belt. That's what happens when you're pulling stuff together. Well, it does work on the belt. Hoo boy.
I hope that that 'Mai' shows up. YOU HEAR ME SUNRISE!!! :mad:
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-04, 20:15
Just wait and see. The path may involve bloodshed but I don't recall Arika killing someone so far, hence when that happens she will have a new opportunity to get depressed while waiting for a new plot device to get her out of her depression.
Uh Arika did kill someone.
Yes, I know that but why exactly the princess is that important?
Because whoever controls the princess controls the world? I just said that. Nagi never gave us the details but that's the case.
One'd think that with all the hints about who the princess is they should have included a few things about why should we actually care for other reason than to test our guessing skills. I don't think the reason is just the fact that she is one fo the three who unlock the harmonium. And I don't think I am missing anything about the Harmonium itsel, I keep sayng that it will be the ultimate plot device in the end. In the end people find this mystery fascinating, I find it boring, let's just agree to disagree..
No it's just your opinion (Your practically against everything in this series which makes me wonder why you even bother if you find it boring and still watch it anyways), even if they did release all of the info right now there'd be people complaining about how all that suspence went away and such.
I don't find it fascinating at all but that's how the show does it. It was obvious when the harmonium was first revealed that it has something really big to it.
Because whoever controls the princess controls the world?
Again - I know that. But why is the princess the key to controlling the world? I really hope the reason is worth all the twists and guessing.
Uh Arika did kill someone
Who? The guy who summoned the Slave in episode 7? Well, IIRC, it never occured to her that she had killed someone, so that can hardly count as a cause for depression. :) Or maybe someone whom I for some reason have forgotten?
No it's just your opinion
You don't say... :) Of course, it's just my opinion, it's not the hidden truth about the universe or something.
Tempest35
2006-03-05, 00:34
Remember we never knew that there was another child that was being saved beside the princess. Rena handed her child over to some royal servants. Now some viewers asked "why would 'Rena' leave her child behind?" Well, it's not that she wanted to. When you have "royal" obligations (which she carried out despite being retired in her position as an otome) your life comes last. The last heir to 'Windbloom' could NOT be lost. In the meantime she made sure that her child was safe before she carried out that mission. And we all know what happen to 'Rena' afterwards. The gem was placed on the princess as "proof". Windbloom's otome, and Windbloom's princess. Now if 'Arika' is the princess then she ended up in the right hands. If her adopted grandma knew that what she harbored was a otome's gem then imagine how many other people might have known that as well. 'Arika' could have ended up in anyone's hands. As for the other child who was shipped off, we NEVER saw what it looked like. Considering that 'Nina' had no past history. But from what we now know she ended up being part of a group that recruits children for turning them into assassins. This is one part of her past that she remembers but chooses not to. But she does have a past memory. Surely, we didn't forget the vision of 'Rena' she had while drowning in the pool. If I had to take a guess that was probably 'Rena's final goodbye. Then there's the capsule. Well, we had to put the babies into something. can't very well send them up river in a "blanky". And that capsule also ended up in the group's bunker. So chances are 'Nina' may or may not have ended up making it to an orphanage. But we can assume that she was found. Also, here's the bigger irony. 'Nina' has been lovesick over sweet papa 'Sergay'. Sergay is still lovesick over a woman who was not only way over his age range and status, but DEAD! He causes enough trouble by secretly supporting a girl that he believed was 'Rena's daughter. Let alone finding a little orphan girl. And if you noticed most of 'Nina's pain was competing with 'Rena'. The one person who has daddy's attention like a moth to a flame. I said, y'know it would be really ironic if the woman that 'Nina' had so much dislike for and trying so hard to compete against was her mother. And in the meantime, 'Sergay' has his nose so hard to the grindstone that he probably doesn't realized that he treated 'Rena's daughter so bad. Want to add more insult to injury? If 'Rena' is 'Nina's mother then she would be an heir for the 'Sapphire of the Azure' sky. Damn, 'Arika' took that too! And believe me based on 'Nagi's findings her's even more giddy about it. It's just TOOO RICH!!! Afterall the irony and the tragedy of this whole series is between 'Arika' and 'Nina'. That's all revealed in the 2nd OP. Now as to what role 'Mashiro' will play is anyone's guess. I had some thoughts that she might have been a "pawn" from 'Cartylea'. I only say this because the person that brought her in as a baby had robes similar to those of 'Cartylea's kingdom. But I could be wrong. But what we do know is that all 3 of them are needed to activate that DAMN 'Harmonium'. If 'Nina' and 'Arika' know the damn song it's because someone very close to both of them sang it to them. As to why 'Mashiro' knows it, who knows. Will, we ever know what that shadowy figure is in the first OP?
If Sergay does live to the end of Otome, he'd probably adopt Arika as well. :D Now THAT would piss off Nina more than anything at this point but Nina needs a sister - someone to throw that 'Daddy Love' off kilter.
As for the Shadow Otome...it's someone with short hair and even less 'proportions', so Tomoe is out of the running. :p She'd have to be Coral-age though. Those are the clues I got from staring at the screenshots for nearly an hour.
friendshipz
2006-03-05, 00:45
........
now u see, we don have any prove of seeing rena carrying 2 capsule to safety all we had saw is she carried "1" capsule and flow it away to the river while doing so she said " please live"
than comes to op2 we saw that part where sergei looks up and background scene wif rena laying on a pool of blood, so this is 1 prove that rena is dead.
now lets go back to esp 1 and relate both together , we will get when rena was killed the blue gem glown while flooding away wif the baby(and this now proven), than comes to another esp when arika is facing danger and without her "master" the gem helps her to acquire a temp otome power and the power was released.
so comes to this point, a master are the person to be protected and a otome as their guardian and i will presume here arika is definately not the princess as i don think a princess is a otome itself... but all we have here is a devious sunrise, just like wat they did to MH, 11 pillar are needed to open the gate but 1 of the hime is a fake but wif enough power to get a hold of that position.
we don even know "HOW" many capsule existed and we still have no idea who is arika oba-san. we have nina here wif few flash back wif nina, than ppl presume her as rena daughter , than we have nagi recently found the capsule behind the queen and king, and ppl presume she is the princess.. than here comes another she had some hidden memory for the harmonium.....everything just tangle together for nina, if she is a princess she will be a otome herself and changed the whole plot of a master and otome, if she is rena daughter, she had became evil and acquired a new gem and become the otome for the black diamond..
but this had comes to my mind,while nina is in danger i don see the blue azure sapphire gem has ever glow spontaneously before
btw , ppl had told me its not necessarily for gem to pass down by generation.
Yes, I know that but why exactly the princess is that important?
Ah guess in the black from me....
Shes the code key, for the secret Database in the catacobe?
And of course for the old Wisdom from the earth?
Rethink, when Arika touched the floor the Database appears.
Perhaps this was the "Entry Code" sequenze from the Databank.
My brainstorm:
Perhaps, the Song that all three knows, are more then only for the "activation" of Harmonium. Perhaps for the Database too.
How knows.
Well, all Keyscenes (Mashiro and Arika found Harmonium. Arika and Nina in the secret Catacomb, Nina and Harmonium)
, happend to be that one or two was missing. to complet the "Key".
The path of a Otome will always involve bloodshed, so she can't shy away from that.
Well, i dont think so. Look the Opening... When Arika fly in the skys, you see all Meister Otomes (even the Gardarobe ones)
in the background there (even Fia).
And you noticed? Her and Ninas Element wapons are not "Online". I think this will be a clash under "Friends"
But, Opening has not mutch to do, with the Story. They must only look cool .... (*Hint* Black Shadow Mai *Hint*) and the Black "Super" Otome. Stays in the secret till now. I think that was the Prototype for the Meister robe of Nina. But, thats my guessing.
Mfg,
Seska
Why are Mai in her Meister Robe at the end?
I have 3 options:
1:
She can only now Materiaze, cause Mikoto aweakens from a deep sleep?
(Nina cuts the Mikoto shadow in the Harmonium)
2:
Her Belt, looks unique so far.
Perhaps thats her Key, why shes can be in her Meister Robe. And her Brother has the same "Symbol" on his Vest...
3:
Perhaps, MH comes trough.
In MH at the end she has the Emotion for her Boyfriend. Even if he was allready dead, she can summon her Child at the end. ( i think that was a plothole.)
Perhaps here, its the same. Her Master are her emotions for a death master. Or for protect the people of the world. It was a option in MH too. (When she runs in the beam from the Space child). Shes was the only one in MH that changed her Masters... from her brother, protect people of the school to Tate at the end.
Well back to MO, i have two Master for her.
Mikoto or his Brother. Akira dont looks, that she/he has a contract with her brother. Or did you see a Gem on her/his ear?. And perhaps the "Battle robe" of her, was a secret Ninja power suit *g.
Mfg,
Seska
Uh... No. If she was, then Mai would have came back in Ep 3 and became a boring character who steals the main character spot from Arika in Ep 15.
Which is why I don't understand why people want her back so much... Do they really want another GSD?
No we want another Z/ZZ/R.O.D. TV and any other show that handles previous characters correctly... No wait remove ZZ, Bright chasing chickens is not what I call "handled correctly". Besides its a bit too late for Mai taking over the show ;)
brightman
2006-03-05, 11:04
No we want another Z/ZZ/R.O.D. TV and any other show that handles previous characters correctly... No wait remove ZZ, Bright chasing chickens is not what I call "handled correctly". Besides its a bit too late for Mai taking over the show ;)
Gah, ROD TV was equally bad... After the returning characters came back, the new characters were relegated to be a bunch of fakes, sacrificing much of their early developments... And the old characters still turned out to be super weapons of PWN.
And Zeta? That did it well... But in order for that to work, Mai needed to appear early and disappear just as quickly. So really, we have more failures than success (the whole Nemu mess in DCSS too), and I am not looking forward to another failure.
...
Good points. But it still comes back to the same old questions, who's the princess, who's 'Rena's daughter and who is the third person? We have 3 individuals who need to fit the role somewhere. My theory is that 'Sunrise' is really **** with people's mind. Chances are they'll get it resolved so that everyone is properly placed. But before we even got this far, I had wondered if 'Nagi' really knew more than he let on. But it seems that he's learning more and more. Whatever the case, hopefully 'Sunrise' will have a good explanation considering that the series is almost over.
Like I said I've given up trying to figure out where things go. Speculations until proof is given. But I'll stick it out toward the end.
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-05, 12:10
Alright finally took a look at the episode. Not too bad, everything with Arika and Mashiro has been settled. More cards are moving now since Nagi has a better idea of who he needs to activate the harmonium.
As for Shizuru....I would've gone for that Shizuru stopped Tomoe when she kissed her and suggested they play baby but when she said she'll allow her to do as she pleased that theory went down the drain :heh: Her last comments on how "but today was fun" was a little disturbing.
Seems like Shiho is gonna play a bigger part later on.
BTW, ending song....needs to go. It really kills the show.
kuro_neko
2006-03-05, 12:31
really random thoughts on the episode
concerning the bed Chie was looking over.....I have heard Aoi more than once and for a bit I was like yeah, Aoi, but imagine if it was Mai? How screwed up would that be? It shows her standing in front of something covered in white cloth, so......I think it would be interesting if she showed up being tooled around by the Schwartz (although that is never going to happen)....Arika hasn't had anything crappy happen to her yet, so I'm just waiting for it to happen ;;makes up more things in my mind;;
In any case, to sum up why I'm starting to have a bad feel around MO, is that it is starting to lose its interesting aspect, for episodes 19/20 to say the very least.
Lets face it: episode 18/17 thread had about 12 pages of discussion by 24 hours after the episode airs in Japan, and about 20-30 total pages of discussion after the sub comes out.
Look at it now: 3 days after the episode aired, and its barely at page 8. Oh, dont give rubbish reasonings like Asuki members having sudden revalations that they should get a life and work hard, nor something ridiculous like "Asuki members who posted in episode 1-18 thread discussions of MO were hunted by a bunch of anti-MO assasins who killed them just to tone down on the number of posts in the subforum,"
It simply means that MO is losing its edge, whether you like how it has lesser fanservice and that it has alot of "plot development".
BTW, ending song....needs to go. It really kills the show.
My opinion: I enjoyed the ED, alot more then the way episodes 19/20 developed the story. It was like, "yea, good job! you're developing the plot, Sunrise. But it feels so Bleh!".
Like Simon Cowell would say: It is losing its X-factor.
But I would say this much: Things are starting to improve (this episode, by screencaps and summary alone, was pretty good)
brightman
2006-03-05, 13:22
Lets face it: episode 18/17 thread had about 12 pages of discussion by 24 hours after the episode airs in Japan, and about 20-30 total pages of discussion after the sub comes out.
Look at it now: 3 days after the episode aired, and its barely at page 8.
lol. If you compare anything with those two episodes, its always going to lag behind. Some episodes just promote more discussions than others, whether its major events or controversies, and you seemed to have picked the two that had the most.
So post count really has nothing to do with the quality of the episode. You should have just mentioned the polls instead.
Does anyone else get the feeling that the Shadowed Mikoto is nothing but some kind of shadow self of Mikoto that she made in order to guard the Harmonium(spelling)? Same thing with the cat Mikoto, I get the impression that Mikoto is some kind of magican (perhaps Taoist? I just get that feeling whenever I've seen her), and has created several copies of herself to watch over diffrent things, such as the Harmonium and Mashiro. When Nina beat the shadow self it 'awakened' the real Mikoto (you noticed the one clay doll broke when the shadow was defeated).
Last_Hope
2006-03-05, 15:34
A good episode but it was hard to focus on the episode. I had to "rewind" all the time since I was mostly thinking about what is going to happen in the next episode. :D
As for Shizuru....I would've gone for that Shizuru stopped Tomoe when she kissed her and suggested they play baby but when she said she'll allow her to do as she pleased that theory went down the drain :heh: Her last comments on how "but today was fun" was a little disturbing.
Now that is disturbing. But hey this is Shizuru we're talking about. I guess she's saying in her mind, "at least I know in this world that I can make someone else happy. Poor thing." I think 'Urayo' had some really twisted thoughts on that whole baby thing. Like a pair of scissors! I'm a little worried that 'Shizuru's cracking up being away from 'Natsuki'. Maybe she never had a "binki" before. Or 'Tomoe' never had the honor of being treated like a baby. I don't want to even think about what happen in there.
Shizuru: "Natsuki, get me the hell OUT OF HERE!!!"
The writers are really killing me.
Seems like Shiho is gonna play a bigger part later on.
I hope so. That whole deal had me in stitches. I guess the writers needed to get her some screen time.
BTW, ending song....needs to go. It really kills the show.
Oh come now how could you hate that song? It so lightens the mood. Of course it always baffles me when it comes out at the most troublesome time. It's almost humorous. :D
JanthraX^
2006-03-05, 15:48
best part was Rado at the end,
Stretch!, Stretch!, Stretch!
he is a legend =D
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-05, 16:01
Now that is disturbing. But hey this is Shizuru we're talking about. I guess she's saying in her mind, "at least I know in this world that I can make someone else happy. Poor thing." I think 'Urayo' had some really twisted thoughts on that whole baby thing. Like a pair of scissors! I'm a little worried that 'Shizuru's cracking up being away from 'Natsuki'. Maybe she never had a "binki" before. Or 'Tomoe' never had the honor of being treated like a baby. I don't want to even think about what happen in there.
Shizuru: "Natsuki, get me the hell OUT OF HERE!!!"
The writers are really killing me.
There was a picture in the pic thread I think showing Shizuru toying with tomoe (With tomoe at the baby) and I'm starting to think it's not that far off.
Oh come now how could you hate that song? It so lightens the mood. Of course it always baffles me when it comes out at the most troublesome time. It's almost humorous.
No it was good in the first half but things started getting serious it kinda destroys it.
Like when Erstin died and then Arika and Nina go at it, song comes in and it like...doesn't really fit.
There was a picture in the pic thread I think showing Shizuru toying with tomoe (With tomoe at the baby) and I'm starting to think it's not that far off.
And the doujins aren't that far off either. Yes, folks we took some of the craziness from 'MH' Shizuru' and we put it in another more sick and twisted character. We added some love and adoration for flavor. :P
No it was good in the first half but things started getting serious it kinda destroys it.
Like when Erstin died and then Arika and Nina go at it, song comes in and it like...doesn't really fit.
EXACTLY!!! Hahahahahaha!! That's why it's so head shaking. And at one time I hated that song. Well, that was pretty bad. Takes me back to the old days of BGC, OVA ep. 2. When they showed the gravesite of Lina's friend that got killed by the female "boomers", they just break into this upbeat tune. Too me, it was always pretty ****ed up. I still laugh about it today. :p
pokemon123
2006-03-05, 17:25
best part was Rado at the end,
Stretch!, Stretch!, Stretch!
he is a legend =D
Hahaha!!! I loved that part as well!!! I'm gonna share it with all my friends!!!:heh: :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh:
Rado was the star of this episode...
Mashiro pwns him and Arika gets to touch his horn...
What the hell was with this episode O_O
"Holds binkey and rattle" Although, today WAS fun....
What the heck?! Funny stuff though :)
"Wow! Its soft!" "Stretch Stretch Stretch"
Hahahahaha. That was pretty damn funny.
lol. If you compare anything with those two episodes, its always going to lag behind. Some episodes just promote more discussions than others, whether its major events or controversies, and you seemed to have picked the two that had the most.
So post count really has nothing to do with the quality of the episode. You should have just mentioned the polls instead.
Of course post count doesn't affect the quality of the episode....its the animation studio, no?
But it does indicate the popularity/hype of the episode, which right now, is considerably low.
Edit: Since you think its unfair to compare with those 2 episodes. how about these 2 then.
Episode 15 thread post count: 377 (19 pages).
Episode 14 thread post count: 479 (24 pages)
Hyosuke575
2006-03-05, 21:04
Okay, this episode was interesting and also disturbing at a part.
First off we get another wrench thrown into the mix about who is the queen who is Renas daughter. Nagi looks at a picture and notices the capsule is the same in both picture. Later he tells Sergey that Arika is no longer needed but they still need Mashiros song. Now here is what Nagi says doesn't make sense because if you back to episode 7 when Mashiro and Arika first find the harmonium and activate it 2 lights light up and then when Nina activates it all 3 lights light up. Which means Arika would have to be important somehow so why did he say she is no longer needed. Also to confuse us even more Mikoto says to Nina if she is the player or the protector, so I'm probably even more confused than I was before about who is the queen and who is Renas daughter.
Mashiro really grows up in the episode and shows that she has the potential to be a great queen and seems like Arika will be her otome through it all. Which means not only has Mashiro grown up but so has Arika as well.
Sadly Mimi dies and yet another character is added to the killed off list but now Aoi is questionable if she is dead or not because we see Chie look at someone on a hospital bed who is probable Aoi.
Okay they brought Shiho back but even crazier with the Maki Maki thing (you know your obsessed when you have dreams about it) and I'm curious what Chie is going to tell Shiho.
Well it seems like everything that happened between Tomoe and Shizuru did in fact happen and that Shizuru is just letting Tomoe do as she wish. Also about the toys in the bedroom someone said something about that and I pretty much told them it was sick to think that because they look like toys for a baby.... well I take that back because that pretty much what they were implying! Thats just a little disturbing.
Finally last but not least Mai is coming back next episode! As well as Mikoto.
Future episodes may reveal that Tomoe has a fetish for re-enacting her infant days.
This episode was okay I guess, but so far stuff aren't moving as quickly as I would like it to, and its killing me. :(
At least Arika and Mashiro are back on track. But Nina and Sergey are still messed up, hope they will be resolved soon..
Edit//// Okay.. I just found out that Infantilism is a real-life medical disorder, so in the interests of an unprejudiced-internet, I'm gonna delete some things I said.
PastPrime
2006-03-05, 21:25
First off we get another wrench thrown into the mix about who is the queen who is Renas daughter. Nagi looks at a picture and notices the capsule is the same in both picture. Later he tells Sergey that Arika is no longer needed but they still need Mashiros song. Now here is what Nagi says doesn't make sense because if you back to episode 7 when Mashiro and Arika first find the harmonium and activate it 2 lights light up and then when Nina activates it all 3 lights light up. Which means Arika would have to be important somehow so why did he say she is no longer needed.
Nagi was not there in episode 7, so he does not know what we know. If he does get Mashiro and finds out that he still cannot operate the Harmonium then he will have to send someone back to get Arika.
Hyosuke575
2006-03-05, 21:44
Nagi was not there in episode 7, so he does not know what we know. If he does get Mashiro and finds out that he still cannot operate the Harmonium then he will have to send someone back to get Arika.
Yeah thats true when I think about it. I kinda feel dumb for saying it but what I'm trying to say is that it just doesn't add up who is Renas daughter and who is the real queen. I'm positive Sunrise is screwing with us because every time they give us more information they find a way to confuse us too. Well I'm still sticking with Nina is the real queen and Arika is Renas daughter but I'm not positive about it at all.
I think their is a light for each one and since Mashiro and Arika have already come in contact with it, it only required Nena to complete the opening.. Requires 3 evidently the Queen, Arika, and the Player. Seems tho that what or who was inside does not know yet which is which. Who is the protector and who is the player? But what I want to know what is the significance of each one? What part do they play in the instrument? Since it required 3 to open it and their is 3 chairs I would think that it's going to require all 3 to activate it and Mashiro will not be enough.
Mysticmidnightmaiden
2006-03-05, 22:57
Finally got to watch the Raw (Yes, I've been busy). I'm pretty happy with the pace of the series so far. I feel like I'm the only person on these forums who simply watches Mai Otome for plain pleasure anymore, but here's my play by play:
Give me more Shadow Miko-chin!!! Damn Cat Statues...
So, because of these pictures, I'm supposed to believe that Nina is the princess? The hell? I'll still stick with my prediction of Mashiro as ojou-sama. Although, Nina-ojou as Artai's Otome would be hilarious to think about... Keep up the evilness, Nagi! You're the reason why half the viewers are watching...
I'll say it once: this OP sucks. The song is alright, but it doesn't give me that tingly feeling the first OP, or hell, HiME's OP did. Visually, I don't need to be bombarded with pictures of Meisters and the Pillars anymore. Actually, the Pillars are useless right now because they can't Materialize. I bet Nao hates her luck now.
Mashiro's working hard! At least she know how a good leader is supposed to act. Poor Meister Fia! It would suck having to follow orders from a bald dude...
W00t! The people who basically killed Aoi are here. Payback will be a biotch...
Double w00t! Another rock monster! To kill Mimi! Damn emo-lolis need to die...
Triple w00t! Arika does a rock jumping Materalization! (Unlike Haruka for the camping episode...) People may whine at the reused scenes, but how many ways can you animate a Materalization? Half the fun is from watching the same transformation scene because it feels like a Mahou Shoujo anime. Actually, If you combine Mai Otome and Futari wa Pretty Cure, I think you'll have a good Mahou Shoujo anime. (Oh yeah, 4Kids liscenced Pretty Cure. There go my hopes of it seeing a decent DVD release...)
ZOMG! Mashiro feels bad for the emo-loli? WTH?
More Nagi pretending-to-be-naive evilness. Sweet. Speaking of emo-lolis, Nina can stuff her emo up hers. Sergei, YOU IZ DA MAN! It's awesome that you'll ironically die soon by Arika's hands next episode because you volunteered for the job. (lol)
ZOMG WTF?! Aoi's not dead? I wouldn't want to be one of those refugees in Chie's hands in a few episodes...
Poor Yurikiko and Miss Maria. I actually believe that they are the last two Pillars, mostly becasue thay can't Materalize (We haven't seen proof to deny this claim yet), but also because I don't think Sunrise has the balls to bring forth not one, but TWO new important secondary characters as the Pillars. If they do, I feel sorry for the dark one. The Black Otome has a Robin Mask (TM), so that's cool. The darker skinned one has cleavage. She's got to compete with Mai (when she returns), Haruka, Midori, and Shizuru for the Largest Rack Character Award.
w00tw00tw00tw00t! Aftermath of ShizTom scene! I bet Shizuru finally understands the term "karma" now... Go kick some Meister butt, Tomoe, and reap more rewards later...
Shiho is officially on the same crack Bobobo-Bobobobo is on. Do you see the smoking spiral? That's one big drag, if you catch my drift...
More w00tness! Haruka and Yukino and Nao, oh my! Natsuki hasn't done anything in the series that counts for anything and STILL she gets more love than those three put together. She's just blatent fanservice, fanboys (and fangirls). Hell, Shizuru has done more stuff in the series than her. Natsuki so far has basically talked and gotten pwned by Midori/M.I.Y.U./Nao [the pantsing]. But enough with my ranting, back to the show...
What I learned from Yukino: Democracy sucks. You can't do anything without the "will of the counsel" approval, and when they do give the O.K., it's too late. I almost feel sorry for President Bush right now. Almost.
DIE EMO-LOLI, DIE!!! You Gotta Fight.. For Your Right... To PART-err, Protect Your People! I have a feeling that because Mashiro is finally getting some character development, something of equivolent value must be exchanged. This episode, it's Mimi. Last episode, it was Asward's technology. Next episode, Sergei's head. I don't have anything against the man, but he's going down harder than Gennai in Mai HiME.
We haven't quite had the "ANGRY Mai" look on Arinko yet, but Erstin's sacrifice almost pulled it out. Then again, the majority thought Aoi was dead, and look where she is. Ers-chan may not be as sparkly green as we thought she was...
Mashiro is a Rozen Maiden. Arika kissed her ring and the Blue Version of the HiME star shined, so I guess they're Officially Contracted (C). I'm just waiting for the random clown doll to show up so Arika can tear it to shreads with a Sapphire Shard Attack. (Tears From the Blue Countdown: III... II... I...). Of course, Fearless Sentai Leader Midori has to extract some pwnage and leave the village virtually defenseless (Arika doesn't really count, 'cause we don't know if she'll ACTUALLY protect the people like a Meister Otome should...), and guess who's behind Tank Number One? Yep, it's Sergei. And Tome. AND Chie. Half Evil-Chie. I expect Arinko to be toast/"defeated" next episode.
"NO NO NO!" Don't change the ED song! I love it to bits. Its "DO[ING ITS] BEST" to keep reminding me that this is a happy anime, like the OP of Mai HiME did. I remember when people were complaining that the OP of HiME was too perky to complement the show and look what happened. A reset. Guess what'll happen this time if people complain enough? Another reset. HiME's reset was needed. A war in present-day Japan between super-powered princesses to deturmine the bride of one man? A bit too heavy to watch. It wasn't marketed (in the begining) as such, so why should it end as such? Mai Otome, on the other hand, has the perfect setting for war. The unsteady balance of power between the nations, Otomes and their duties to their country/Masters/loved ones: it's perfect for people (characters) to die and drop off the series like flies like in HiME. Unfortunately, they killed Aoi's death by having her be gravely injured instead of dead, but this gives us an Angsty Chie to watch.
In the next episode, it seems that the Valkyries will cream Arinko and Mashiro will be captured. I can't tell by whom, though, but it could be that Batman Otome in the OP that everyone is raving to be a Pillar. It could even be Mai, but I think she was feeding (the real) Mikoto. Angrily feeding the real Mikoto. M.I.Y.U. seems to come to Arika's aide, but I think it will be too late to save Mashiro. SOMEBODY'S gotta die next episode from the title: Horobi no Uta (in katakana, to emphasize). I think the translation is "Song of Sorrow" or something close to it.
... I need to sleep. I've got three tests tomorrow and two presentations. I've missed the Acadamy Awards typing my reports that are due tomorrow. High school sucks. Nina's a whiny brat. Yumemiya Arika is to Kazuma Azuma like Otome is to bread. I need to sleep.
philip72
2006-03-06, 00:06
DIE EMO-LOLI, DIE!!!
Gee, your just chock full of mercy and forgiveness.;)
I spent the afternoon re-watching the older Mai Otome episodes, before finally watching episode 21. I decide to, when I realized I had forgotten large parts of what had occurred before episode 14. It was a good refresher and allowed me to see the continuity that I had been missing. This show is of course a serial, but I had been judging each episode lately as a standalone. I'm glad I did the review as I am back to liking this series again.
Chie is a character I never paid much attention to, but she is quickly becoming one of my favorites.
There seems to be a great deal of loyalty and nobility in her character.
She has a genuine concern for those around her, including Tomoe who she knows has been being wicked.
For the last few episodes I was feeling sorry for Tomoe, I had forgotten about the sheer malevolence she exudes and had simply relegated her to being a misbehaving teenager in love.
When I watched the earlier episodes today, I saw her try to set up a rape, manipulate and abuse a girl who was devastated that her country was going to war, and attempt to murder someone with an acid attack.
In this episode I saw a look of hate cross her face when Chie stepped in front to represent the Valkyries as their leader (Tomoe is going to try to kill her).
This girl craves power and is without any possible redeeming features.
I no longer have empathy for this character, but I do like the Tomoe concept in a way, she's a great villain to boo.
Shizuru really disappointed me, I don't really know what else to say.
I'm what TWH would call a Shiznat loser fanboy.
I hoped after the last episode that Shizuru had stopped her after the kiss, but it looks like I was wrong.
"It was fun" what was that?
I guess I had placed her still in Mai HiME mode, hopelessly in love and devoted to Natsuki, but this is a different character I suppose.
She's just someone who likes to sleep around with all the kiddies I guess.
I really hope Sunrise proves me wrong, but I doubt it.
Shigan can have her Shiznat High Priestess title back now, 'cause I don't want it anymore.
Glad to see resolution for Mashiro and Arika.
I enjoyed this episode and it looks like the next one might really pick up on action.
Sigh, don't say that people didn't warn you Philly. I kinda suspected that the TomoeShizuru thing would go in this direction and I got what I thought. I don't think its very out of character for Viola, she still had the "All and Everything for Natsuki" all over her, even if it means screwing other girls, and I think it kinda suits the character I've been potraited.
Fujino is actually not even a factor here, since this isn't her.
Althou I am mighty freaked about all the baby toys, I mean, wtf? I'm glad she had fun but what was it with the pacifier???
I'm High priestress again, w00t, will you be offended if I -don't- wear that... hat thing?
philip72
2006-03-06, 04:17
Althou I am mighty freaked about all the baby toys, I mean, wtf? I'm glad she had fun but what was it with the pacifier????
I'm hoping they just happened to be in the room.
But hey, it's Japan, they never fail to shock.
will you be offended if I -don't- wear that... hat thing?
No, not at all. (sotto voce) well maybe a little, I thought it was neato, I wore it to work. Even the guy that doesn't like me said I look cool and should always wear it.
Finally got around to watching the fansub.
Overall nice ep ... love the way Sunrise is seting up the battles , because Mashiro has sworn alliegence to Aswardo and Arika has officialy accepted her as master, we can expect ArikaVsNatsuki or better ArikaVsShizuru, that should be intresting ... I knew there was more than Mashiro's caracter development to these ep :D ...
Mashiro promisess to never cry again ... actually her line "Please... just for a moment... lend me your chest... " was kinda uhh ... FREAKY ... mostly because Mashiro seems to keep a straight face all the time ... at least now she has here balls back :p ... can't wait for the MashiroVsNagi deplomatic negotiations :p ... obviosly she looses ... since Nagi activates the harmonium
Miyu finally comes back ... we have a MiyuVsMikoto(cat) battle ... :D wheee
I don't think Miyu arrives in time to make a difrence in Arika's fight ... hope Arika dosen't get trashed again ... althow I'm suspection she will ... hmmm ... maybe now she can activate her robe without Mashiro's direct permision or at least keep it on ... it will be intresting to see weather Sunrise actually allows Mashiro to be captured ... that scene might just be a little fake ... who knows ... in the past there have been scenes from the next ep preview that never appeared in the actual ep or were modifed
Almost forgot Midore get's her ass kicked by Fia :mad:
I don't see how they could stick any more plot development into the next ep without a serios fight ... well at least the name is promisingSong of Destruction
Poor Yurikiko and Miss Maria. I actually believe that they are the last two Pillars, mostly becasue thay can't Materalize (We haven't seen proof to deny this claim yet), but also because I don't think Sunrise has the balls to bring forth not one, but TWO new important secondary characters as the Pillars. If they do, I feel sorry for the dark one. The Black Otome has a Robin Mask (TM), so that's cool. The darker skinned one has cleavage. She's got to compete with Mai (when she returns), Haruka, Midori, and Shizuru for the Largest Rack Character Award.
I have a theory ... maybe this is just the begining of the series ... maybe this is just like in MH for the first 13 ep ... only they made it a 26 part this time ... remember there was a mistary looming around about the hime (just like there is about the princess in MO) and we never had enought info to know why they were fighting (MO -> why the princess is so important) and also there were caracters that didn't exist until the second half, as hime at least (Shiho, Kira, Shizuru) ... maybe it's the same case in MO ... maybe that's why Mai wasn't introduced up till now (ok she's not here yet :p ) maybe this isn't a 26 ep series ... just my random thought's
Of course post count doesn't affect the quality of the episode....its the animation studio, no?
But it does indicate the popularity/hype of the episode, which right now, is considerably low.
Edit: Since you think its unfair to compare with those 2 episodes. how about these 2 then.
Episode 15 thread post count: 377 (19 pages).
Episode 14 thread post count: 479 (24 pages)
C'mon this thread isn't that important ... or intresting for that matter ... besides if you think this thread can reach 19 pages then please post ... I'm curios what's so special about this weeks ep ... You k'now one reason why people haven't been posting is because they are curently praying at the ShizXNat shrine for answears ...
Q: Tell me if you compare post count's do you find your results acurate ... I mean ... just what are the most intresting ep so far ?
C'mon this thread isn't that important ... or intresting for that matter ... besides if you think this thread can reach 19 pages then please post ... I'm curios what's so special about this weeks ep ... You k'now one reason why people haven't been posting is because they are curently praying at the ShizXNat shrine for answears ...
Q: Tell me if you compare post count's do you find your results acurate ... I mean ... just what are the most intresting ep so far ?
You know, Im dumbfounded. You are stating the point I was trying to make in the first place: That the recent episodes lacked something interesting to discuss about. They didnt feel special.
Since when have I said anything about this episode being interesting?:eyebrow:
You know, Im dumbfounded. You are stating the point I was trying to make in the first place: That the recent episodes lacked something interesting to discuss about. They didnt feel special.
Since when have I said anything about this episode being interesting?:eyebrow:
upsss ... seems I only read your first post and part of your second ... sorry about that :p
friendshipz
2006-03-06, 12:48
Finally got around to watching the fansub.
Overall nice ep ... love the way Sunrise is seting up the battles , because Mashiro has sworn alliegence to Aswardo and Arika has officialy accepted her as master, we can expect ArikaVsNatsuki or better ArikaVsShizuru, that should be intresting ... I knew there was more than Mashiro's caracter development to these ep :D ...
....?? to me its impossible for that to happen...arika VS natsuki/shizuru...they are alliance and tied together.. but it is still possible for shizuru to go further and harass arika ~ ~"
anyway i just don like the scenario where arika keeps having this flash of sergei in her mind..make me thinks of mai having those flash of tate in MH( i felt disgusted about it)
hopefully for this MO mai , she wont get any sentiment feeling for anyone except for mikoto ^^
its all gd for an maiXmikoto
philip72
2006-03-06, 12:55
You know, Im dumbfounded. You are stating the point I was trying to make in the first place: That the recent episodes lacked something interesting to discuss about. They didnt feel special:
Maybe the reason that these episodes don't feel as special is because we are currently in a large story arc.
Some of the earlier episodes had standalone ability, but the current ones are simply installments of a larger story.
We cannot see the whole story yet and it's a bit confusing, so we don't have much to say until we understand or can at least surmise where this is heading.
....?? to me its impossible for that to happen...arika VS natsuki/shizuru...they are alliance and tied together.. but it is still possible for shizuru to go further and harass arika ~ ~"
That's my point ... they're no longer allied ... because Mashiro swore to Midori to help her atain Guarderob's thechnology, war with Guarderobe is inevitable ... of course Arika could never hurt Shizuru/Natsuki ;) ... but a battle ... uhh ... confrontation with either of them wouldn't be all hugs and kisses :( ... ohh and I don't see how they are "tied togheter", the only person with whom Arika is "tied" is Mashiro ... did you mean to say that they are "friends" :eyebrow:
hopefully for this MO mai , she wont get any sentiment feeling for anyone except for mikoto ^^
Hehe ... my sentiments exactly :D
That's my point ... they're no longer allied ... because Mashiro swore to Midori to help her atain Guarderob's thechnology, war with Guarderobe is inevitable ...
The war is inevitable? I don't think so. I think Aswad and Garderobe will unite against Nagi. The simplest reason being there is no time to show both the struggle against Nagi and the Garderobe - Aswad conflict.
The war is inevitable? I don't think so. I think Aswad and Garderobe will unite against Nagi. The simplest reason being there is no time to show both the struggle against Nagi and the Garderobe - Aswad conflict.
Mashiro said that she will help Midori in her quest after she takes back control of Windbloom ... since Natsuki knows that they had a short visit to Aswardo, like I said "there won't be any hugs and kisses" when they meet.
'Unite against Nagi' ... that's obvios :rolleyes: ,of course they'll unite, but not under friendly terms ... it would be intresting if they hesitate ... and Nagi isn't the only threat you know, even if they completely defeat Nagi we're still left with a 3 sided conflict (Carteya, Guarderobe, Aswardo-Wind) ... in the next ep it should become obvios what kind of forces Carterya has
Aswad and Garderobe will probably be reluctant allies but there will be no war between them, I am pretty sure about that. They are so obviously meant to crush Nagi plus some other threats like Carlteya (who will probably be defeated in the next few episodes leaving Nagi as the final villain) and then work out their differences in the end. Plus, Natsuki cannot do anything against Aswad now - do you see her turning against them if they help her recover Garderobe? I sure don't.
Not that I would mind Aswad kicking some major Otome butts. :)
Tempest35
2006-03-06, 17:04
It won't be much of a 'war'...most likely it will be Natsuki stuttering how something like this shouldn't have happened on her term as Principal. Of course Miss Maria will have a heart attack at the thought of Aswald having free reign of Garderobe's technology. :)
Most likely Yohko will keep their 'free reign' limited to what they need in order to cure their sickness for the time being.
If I were Natsuki, I'd have 'controlled leaks' of tech each 2-3 years on an interval time schedule. The Pillars themselves will hand the information over to the heads of state and have them checked and re-checked in the view of everyone to insure that the distribution is fair and equal.
If anyone tries to make some new type of weapon or something like that, BOOM, send in the Otome Sentai led by Arika, Midori, and Mai :D and let them have their access to the next info leak interval cancelled. Of course, they can still use/steal Schwartz lil 'make every girl an Otome' idea and lower tuition rates since more girls will be able to apply. Just dumb down the power in the GEMS bit by bit but keep the Pillar GEMS at max. This way - everyone knows that there is always an indpendent third party smackdown awaiting anyone who tries anything 'funny'.
philip72
2006-03-06, 17:37
If I were Natsuki, I'd have 'controlled leaks' of tech each 2-3 years on an interval time schedule. The Pillars themselves will hand the information over to the heads of state and have them checked and re-checked in the view of everyone to insure that the distribution is fair and equal.
If anyone tries to make some new type of weapon or something like that, BOOM, send in the Otome Sentai led by Arika, Midori, and Mai
No, because that would make far to much sense.
Tempest35
2006-03-06, 18:54
No, because that would make far to much sense.
*opens mouth to say something, but nothing comes out*
... *confuzzled* :(
feels odd...to be disagreed with only because the suggesttion makes sense. I must say, I don't get to feel this way often enough. :heh: :p
philip72
2006-03-06, 19:07
*opens mouth to say something, but nothing comes out*
... *confuzzled* :(
feels odd...to be disagreed with only because the suggesttion makes sense. I must say, I don't get to feel this way often enough. :heh: :p
:(Sorry, I used a local colloquialism from the part of the world I inhabit.
Basically it's a sarcastic way of saying; “Of course that's the way it should be done, but the people involved are to unintelligent to reach the logical conclusion.”
Sorry for the confizzle :)
I was agreeing wholeheartedly with you.
This way - everyone knows that there is always an indpendent third party smackdown awaiting anyone who tries anything 'funny'.
Of course, in that situation, who would protect everyone else if the Third party became evil? Who would watch the watchwomen?
The pillars are chosen by Fumi, however, there's still the possibility of one of them becoming evil after being chosen. After all, power corrupts. And, using your system, they'd be the most powerful in the entire planet, making the chance of an eventual corruption even bigger.
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-06, 19:53
Their master, Fumi, watches over them. Should any of the pillars fall out of line they could probably get their Gem disabled by Fumi herself. That's what I think because it's the link between the master and the otome that ensures the otome's loyalty.
I don't think Fumi is that anymore different.
Tempest35
2006-03-06, 20:05
To elaborate on that, Garderobe has that 'darn Council' to deal with all the time. Besides, one Pillar goes to the 'Dark Side', we still have 4-to-1 odds. What would a Pillar have to gain from becoming 'evil' in that kind of environment? The most she could hope for was to take control of a country or something like that...and any attempt to control the source of the other Pillars' powers would be to cut her own power as well.
In my 'system', they'll just serve in a more or less ceremonial capacity - a physical reminder so to speak. That and to ensure that none of the countries recieving the technology at the appointed time tries anything funny.
And like any good plan, it does have a date when it expires or ceases to remain 'functional' due to 'unforeseeable changes' that will occur due to the gradual leak/release of technology back into the world. There's also the type of technology that should be released first - foremost amongst them should be technology to help bring back the planet from this post-nuclear wasteland to the green planet it once was.
and to phillip72...heh, I knew what you were saying but I was just messing around. :D Like I said, I don't get to feel that way often so I was 'basking' in the glory of it all.
Their master, Fumi, watches over them. Should any of the pillars fall out of line they could probably get their Gem disabled by Fumi herself. That's what I think because it's the link between the master and the otome that ensures the otome's loyalty.
I don't think Fumi is that anymore different.
I don't think Fumi is comepletely aware of everything that hapens at Guarderobe ... remember that Natsuki needed to deploy her master comunication antena to relay the situation to Fumi so that she could authorize everybody ... I don't think this is a plot hole ... the way I see it, Yukariko sensei and all the other pillars report periodacly to Fumi the situation and with this info Fumi decides who becomes this and who becomes that ...
GEM's link the life of the master and the otome ... not they're souls :rolleyes:
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-07, 09:38
I don't think Fumi is comepletely aware of everything that hapens at Guarderobe ... remember that Natsuki needed to deploy her master comunication antena to relay the situation to Fumi so that she could authorize everybody ... I don't think this is a plot hole ... the way I see it, Yukariko sensei and all the other pillars report periodacly to Fumi the situation and with this info Fumi decides who becomes this and who becomes that ...
GEM's link the life of the master and the otome ... not they're souls :rolleyes:
This is what I meant.
If one pillar goes out of line, Natsuki, as headmaster, should be able to inform Fumi of the situation and ask her to disable that pillar's gem. Considering they have a safety to release the corals robes, I'm pretty sure they have other uses as well.
BTW I never said anything about souls, don't put words in people's mouths. I thought it was self-explanatory when I said link and by link I meant their life. Hence, when Arika was asking why Fia was doing it. :rolleyes:
well~! From what I have watched from 1 to 21,
I think they will still have some loops that will keep us guessing...
Questions:
1. Shizuru's Toys?
she either be the next person who is getting pregnant or be the womb to make a powerful gem
she is all powerful person, great to get a new genaration of new gem.
since midori said u need a womb to make a gem so I guess the toys are for the baby or babies?
2. Nina? Arika? or Mashiro?
We still have 5 more ep. left but I am pretty sure they will still giving us some loops too think who will be the princess
I am thinking
25% Mashiro
25% Nina
25% Arika
25% We will not know, "Who is the real princess?"
To make it fair,
I put 25% for we will not kno who is the real princess
they can be tossing our minds about it or argue but yet they can leave that also
First, the granny next to Mimi said who has the (forshort) Great Blue Gem is the real princess we can think this point to Arika
Second, Nagi found out the princess cage are with nina so we still can think it is Nina
Third, They said Mashiro are raised by the queen, so we can also think it is Mashiro
so I want to be fair 25 25 25 25% to all
3. Daddy?
Is Sergary Evil or just a good guys need to act evil?
his action a bit confused me cuz he said one thing and act others
do he really care bout Nina?
do he really care bout Arika?
Im sure he care for both,
but can he help the GOODS to piss EVILs off?
or having unclear feeling bout helpin EVILs?
he is having a hard choice.
4. Ms Maria?
Ok~! She always seems to be the one who is incharges of everything
if she kno one of these days, this will happen.
Why dun she say or do something?
if she have a Meistor Gem cant she just like Shizuru Materalize herself to save some trouble?
5. Nagi and Mashiro?
DUDE till ep 21... do u think they are bit spoil.... <-- joke
BUT
Seriously after 21 Nagi kept on thinking about the piano and around the piano are all broken down and Mashiro don't even know that place when she is there,
I need to ask, there are 1 ep. Nagi said that Mashiro know apart of the songs cuz she is raise by the queen, Well we know the queen is dead so how can that be true?
Sorry, my English are bad and is 1 am need to sleep nite nite
PS. Post your feelings not comment or anything bad.....~!
This is what I meant.
If one pillar goes out of line, Natsuki, as headmaster, should be able to inform Fumi of the situation and ask her to disable that pillar's gem. Considering they have a safety to release the corals robes, I'm pretty sure they have other uses as well.
Let's presume the headmaster goes evil and informs Fumi that the others are evil and Fumi belives her ... what then :confused:
If that senario isn't plausible then what if Natsuki and Shizuru become simpathethic of Aswardo's cause and decide to share all of Guarderob's technology ... all they have to do to disable the other pillars is to simply call them traitors ... in that situation what would Fumi do ... flip a coin :(
You are correct if anyone else goes evil without Natsuki then there shouldn't be a problem
This just occurd to me ... all we saw was Natsuki requesting permision from Fumi to release all safty, and then some clips of the giant ball authorizing them ... for all we know Fumi's decision might not even factor in ... I mean if it were so then wouldn't Rena have some influence on the obsidion GEMs ... maybe Fumi wakes up once in a while and sleeps most of the time
What would a Pillar have to gain from becoming 'evil' in that kind of environment?
How about legendary status, you know like Mai or Rena :
Miss Maria : Ok class I will now tell you the story of 'The Legendary Ultra Sexy Evil Bitch of Guarderobe' :joke:
BTW I never said anything about souls, don't put words in people's mouths. I thought it was self-explanatory when I said link and by link I meant their life. Hence, when Arika was asking why Fia was doing it. :rolleyes:
I see ... sorry about that :p ... I tend to get caried away and presume too mutch
Tempest35
2006-03-07, 16:03
Let's presume the headmaster goes evil and informs Fumi that the others are evil and Fumi belives her ... what then :confused:
If that senario isn't plausible then what if Natsuki and Shizuru become simpathethic of Aswardo's cause and decide to share all of Guarderob's technology ... all they have to do to disable the other pillars is to simply call them traitors ... in that situation what would Fumi do ... flip a coin :(
I would think that it would be a 'modus operandi' situation - Fumi follows what she believes to be the best course if something with a moral conscequence comes up. Fumi is basically Garderobe's main operating system - with preset protocols and things like that that mirror Fumi's own actions and decisions in life.
Well, since the entire system needs a reboot anyway (That's what you get for using Microsoft XP OS, Garderobe :p)...I'd think that if a Pillar goes to the 'Dark Side' for lack of a better term, that the other Pillars can have her GEM disabled by doing a verification of themselves and doing the 'majority vote' thing. If it were four Pillars gone 'dark' and they tried to vote off the fifth one, I think that Fumi's 'modus operandi' would kick in then.
...and if THAT doesn't work...there's always MIYU. :D
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-07, 17:36
Let's presume the headmaster goes evil and informs Fumi that the others are evil and Fumi belives her ... what then :confused:
If that senario isn't plausible then what if Natsuki and Shizuru become simpathethic of Aswardo's cause and decide to share all of Guarderob's technology ... all they have to do to disable the other pillars is to simply call them traitors ... in that situation what would Fumi do ... flip a coin :(
You are correct if anyone else goes evil without Natsuki then there shouldn't be a problem
This just occurd to me ... all we saw was Natsuki requesting permision from Fumi to release all safty, and then some clips of the giant ball authorizing them ... for all we know Fumi's decision might not even factor in ... I mean if it were so then wouldn't Rena have some influence on the obsidion GEMs ... maybe Fumi wakes up once in a while and sleeps most of the time
You do assume too much. There are three reasons.
1. It's anime, nough said, there are things that don't need explaining;)
2. Since it's Fumi that's doing the choosing, she probably does a pretty good examination to select them. She knows that they won't betray her.
3. I'm beginning to think either Pillar has the authority to contact Fumi since Natsuki is II. Eitherway, I'm pretty sure that Fumi installed safeties for such events but they'll never happen anyways.
ArchDragon
2006-03-07, 23:42
You do assume too much. There are three reasons.
1. It's anime, nough said, there are things that don't need explaining;)
2. Since it's Fumi that's doing the choosing, she probably does a pretty good examination to select them. She knows that they won't betray her.
3. I'm beginning to think either Pillar has the authority to contact Fumi since Natsuki is II. Eitherway, I'm pretty sure that Fumi installed safeties for such events but they'll never happen anyways.
All of which will go down the drain when Fumi herself went evil.
Maybe the reason that these episodes don't feel as special is because we are currently in a large story arc.
Some of the earlier episodes had standalone ability, but the current ones are simply installments of a larger story.
We cannot see the whole story yet and it's a bit confusing, so we don't have much to say until we understand or can at least surmise where this is heading.
Hence, another reason why watching an anime series in 1 shot compared to waiting by the week is better.:)
In anycase, this episode proves to be much better than the previous. But what I dont get is, what happened to the Jabal(sp?) after the "bolt from the blue" attack? Teleported into another dimension?:twitch:
Owaranai Destiny
2006-03-08, 00:06
In anycase, this episode proves to be much better than the previous. But what I dont get is, what happened to the Jabal(sp?) after the "bolt from the blue" attack? Teleported into another dimension?:twitch:
Uh...obiliterated? the Bolt from the Blue is a powerful attack, after all, as we've seen on more than one occasion.
SoldierOfDarkness
2006-03-08, 00:12
All of which will go down the drain when Fumi herself went evil.
That my friend is where #1 comes in;) Because she'll never turn evil.
Hence, another reason why watching an anime series in 1 shot compared to waiting by the week is better.:)
In anycase, this episode proves to be much better than the previous. But what I dont get is, what happened to the Jabal(sp?) after the "bolt from the blue" attack? Teleported into another dimension?:twitch:
For this Anime, yes... wish I could Travel a few weeks into the future to watch the completed 26 episodes Mai Otome. :uhoh: Then teleport back with massive spoilers WUHAHAHA... :p But for others, watching in one shot not so good for me. :heh: And yeah I did enjoy this episode a little more, still needs to increase its pace tho.
Hmmm... I think it imploded on itself... serves it right, poor mimi...
ArchDragon
2006-03-08, 01:08
That my friend is where #1 comes in;) Because she'll never turn evil.
Well, WE know that, but none of the countries in the Otome world does.
Remember, this is a world where no country is willing to trust/care about each other.
So obviously, they're NOT going to trust Shinso either.
That's why many (if not all) of them end up trying to secretly increase their own military power in their own way.
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Just to see the last post...
/stabs forums
Meh, I was about to edit it with a proper reply, but you beat me to it...
What I could likely suggest from this episode that Nagi has discarded Sergey, as he sees fit that Major Wong is no longer of use to him anymore and let's not forget that Nagi still reminds Sergey to had betrayed him.
Probably, he intends for Sergey to be disposed of by the Artai Valkyries in the mission to retrieve Mashiro back to Windbloom, and employ the news of his death as a scapegoat to lure Nina's will into his complete dominion.
Sinestra
2006-03-08, 16:30
Good Ep Mashiro forging ahead to become a better a queen and making a deal with aswald shows great potential, plus Arika is offically her Otome now i think Arika is finally get a sense of what she needs to do i cant to see her in Windbloom uniform, I would suspect that there are a couple of important fights coming up. I hope is with Tomoe and Arika and I hope Arika kicks the piss out of her. In terms of combat ability i dont think Tomoe cant beat Arika. I dont think an Arika vs Shizuru is going to happen but a fight with Nina has to be in the works. Nagi is a moron just because he noticed something in the pictures does not mean that Arika is not needed anymore it obvious that three are needed for that that big piano think underground they said so in Episode 7, now what role they all will play well to see. Also, i think that Nagi is going to try and have Sergey killed on this mission. Plus i am really curious to see what Chie is up too she is going to be one of the new Otome but from they said the new ones can not disobey so will she end up fight against her friends? The next one looks good i want to see who the other pillers are and what in gods name was up with that whole baby set up thing with Tomoe and Shizuru and Shinzuru saying that today was fun. I was hoping that nothing happen between these 2 but after Shizuru saying ill let her do as she pleases for now we can all guess what happen. SO if anyone knows whats up with scene let me know the only thing i can guess is about the making on new gems and needing a womb and nagi using Shizuru but in some ways that doesnt make sense either.
I said it before and ill say it again get rid of that DAMN ENDING it ruins the show.
MattAlchemy
2006-03-08, 19:45
I could have sworn that the mountain at the end and the preview with monsters attacking looks alot like the beginning of the opening! This is starting to make sense.
Mysticmidnightmaiden
2006-03-08, 21:31
I could have sworn that the mountain at the end and the preview with monsters attacking looks alot like the beginning of the opening! This is starting to make sense.
W00t for you! (Someone needs a cookie...) All I can say is "Let the bodies hit the floor..." Mai can stay home and cook her special Tokiha 'Shrooms for Mikoto and Tate. LET'S GET READY TO RRRUMBLE!! If I don't see someone getting beat up, I will be dissapointed. (Damn Bleach episode got me riled up wanting blood this week...)
gameoffreak8
2006-03-09, 02:11
Ep.21 was alright....
I have a question: Mikoto fight against Nina. What is her role of place? Guardian of that Harmonium?
I hope Ep.22 have a nice battles.
Hmm.....I was reading Omni's temporary summary when the picture of Mai in the preview appears. I was just wondering....is Mai cooking or something at that time? Or don't tell me the wok she's holding is her element?:heh:
Now its interesting that Nagi thinks that Nina is the real princess just from the Harmonium. Did he forget that the Harmonium also opens when Arika and Mashiro were there? Now if Nina is really the princess, does that mean the baby that Rena saved was actually her own daughter?
And if Mai is with Mikoto all this times, then.....what happened to her lover (Tate?)?
He turned into Sergay.
I said it before and ill say it again get rid of that DAMN ENDING it ruins the show.
I concur. Verily so. It forms about 80% of the reason why I don't like Otome that much.
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