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First Some facts about Ninja Combat.
1)Ninja are fast. They rely on speed to attack, and even Genjutsus specialist Jounins are able to effortlessly blitz a Taijutau specialist Genin. Kakashi felt highly threatened because of Itachi's jutsu speed. Speed helped Rock Lee humiliate Sasuke. Speed Kills.
2)Ninja are good at avoiding attacks. Besides just regular dodging, any time a ninja is hit with something, half the time it turns out to be a Bunshin of some type, or a Kawamari. This happens even to very skilled ninja like Orochimaru. Hence, there is no good way to make sure that any given hit will connect with your target.
3)Ninja are not especially tough. Sure there are exceptions like Jiroubou or Orochimaru, but most ninja would be toast really quickly if they decided to tank the enemy attacks. Some of them hare good damage soaks, but most of them rely on getting out of the way in a hurry, or using some other jutsu to block them.
From these facts, we can extrapolate on what the ideal jutsu should be.
1)It should be fast, both fast to aim and fast to execute. Otherwise, the opponent would have already pulled out his attack.
2)It shouldn't put everything into a few attacks. It's embarrassing to pump a massive amount of chakra into an attack, only to find out you wasted it on a Bunshin.
3)It should affect a large area. That makes it harder for the enemy to dodge.
4)Ideally, one should have the option to focus the attack on a small area, so that people with high defense levels can be hurt.
In this new contexts, moves like the Rasengan and Chidori don't look so good anymore. They drain too much power, and have too short a range. While they're pretty good against a high defense enemy like Gaara, they suck against pretty much everyone else. Kabuto's chakra scalpels and the Jyuuken are better, since it damages over a longer period of time. High level Katon jutsus can affect a large area and can be launched quickly, but they pale in comparison to the truly massive attacks like the Kirikiri Mai and the Chouji Squash.
In short, what are supposed to be the ultimate attacks in Naruto really aren't that useful.
Mr. Johnny 5
2006-03-06, 18:12
I think Oodama Rasengan would do the trick..
Fast, Large Area damage, instant kill
Illuyankas
2006-03-06, 18:12
That's because, in all honesty Naruto is not about ninjas. Yes, they call themselves ninjas, but they're not, they're just mercenaries with a theatrical bent. The 'super' jutsus are indeed good attacks - for a simple brawl. I know why they did it, a historically accurate ninja series wouldn't be this entertaining, but it's all for dramatic purposes, so it's pretty reasonable considering the storied background.
Where was I going with this again?
Mr. Johnny 5
2006-03-06, 18:19
The best character that would define a ninja would be...either Gaara or Itachi.
They speak not much...are fast and deadly. The other characters make too much jokes and talk too much.
Lee is probably best choice since he uses real tools shurikens, kunai's and taijutsu.
He can be very fast and deadly..
I tend to agree with your points exept for the #3.
Not for technical reason but because shonen wise the large one usually aren't those working.
Tsunade's superstrenght makes a good job except for the #3.
MS jutsu lack the #2
Chouji Squash also lack #1 & 2 for the moment
I kind of doubt that the Kirikiri Mai doesn't use a vast amount of Chakra, in fact this jutsu being a diviance of Kimi's bloodline due to the CS lvl 2 it had to use a shitload of it so lack #2.
Ero-Senn1n
2006-03-06, 18:48
You should categorize it on the base of who is/are the opponent(s).
For the ultimate power I think there are two categories:
1, the mass destruction jutsu masters who can take on entire villages and armies of ninja.
2, the 1on1 masters.
As we saw the sannins are in the 1st category, they all had huge summons and powerful attacks against masses of ninja. Others like Sasori and Kisame are like that.
The 2nd category is the one of the sharingan, more exactly the 1on1 god Itachi. I think Itachi can take out all of the sannins individually but he would loose against big ninja armies that a sannin could take out.
And the two main heroes will be like that I think: Naruto the loud hero, the one who already has the power of Kyuubi for mas destruction. And Sasuke the smart one who will have the ultimate 1on1 ability: the MS. I think they could be the ultimate fighting duo, something like currently Itachi and Kisame but in a stronger version.
Yondaime and Sandaime were somewhat an exception, they had both mass destruction and 1on1 powers. Sandaime had his fire and earth mass destruction jutsu, but his boss summon was a small one which is much better in 1on1. For Yondaime we all know he had a boss summon, he had his special jutsu to take out an entire army. And finally the death god jutsu which makes him invincible in 1on1 if he accepts to give up his life. Of course such a suicidal jutsu is not so good but from the viewpoint of the bad guys it's a godlike jutsu. The evil guy knows that Yondaime will use the death god jutsu if he has to, so he will not attack Yondaime, it's like the nuclear weapons, something that destroys both sides so guys like Itachi would not attack him even if Itachi could maybe win against Yondaime in 1on1.
If we look at what a ninja is supposed to be: a fighter who has to do missions secretly, so do it fast and quitely, that the answer clearly is Itachi with his MS jutsu or Yondaime with his transportation->instant kill jutsu. They can take out anybody in a second, it's the power of the real ninja.
s-class uchiha
2006-03-06, 21:01
I will agree w/ Ero-Sennin that yes those are the 2 main destructive/offensive type jutsu and expand a bit
that what's best depends on the situation like a massive destructive are crazy 1 on 1 offensive strike wouldn't help against Narutos kamehameha:heh: You would need a defensive type jutsu
Like at the chuunin exam if you wanted everyone asleep at the same time to get the Hokage, a chidori to your neighbors face or gamabunta aint gonna help too much.
Qs for ero-sennin:
You mean that Yondaime and Itachi's natural style is "stealthy" right? Not that the san-nin can't be nor that Itachi couldn't be a WMD!
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-06, 21:02
If there was such a thing as an "Ultimate Jutsu" then there would be no need for other skills or people, just those who know that U.J. I think that what you should ask instead is what would be the "Best Team", "Best Combo", or better yet "Best Strategy" for a particular situation. Remember everything has a weak point, it is the law of the mortal realm. If something is considered perfect, without faults, then it would have to be God (Godly). (Note: This is what Descatres claims).
Let me give you an example of a technique that I created.
Jutsu: "Ninpou: Kage Kerai" (lit: Ninja Arts, Shadow Servant).
Effect: The user creates a single clone from his shadow and then the user switches places into the cone's own shadow. The clone has 1/5 the power of the user and will not disperse as long as the user feeds it chakra. While inside the shadow the user cannot be hurt by normal means until the jutsu is dispeled.
This is what you might call a great technique. It make the user seemingly invincible except for 1 thing, the high chakra cost and the jutsu's constant draining of it. As such, only a person with a high chakra capacity (i.e: Naruto) could best use this technique. See my point. The jutsu are only as good as the ninja that use them.
Well, Yogi, Those conditions make its hard to come up with the ultimate jutsu...;)
I have seen that the Jutsus that covers a large area of Destructions, or are very powerful use a huge amount of Chakra, I think that in order to have a ultimate Jutsu, it should consume a above average amount of Chakra, but I was thinking on Shikamaru’s last Shadow Jutsu, is fast, Covers a decent area, he can change the volume of his Shadow, and if this Jutsu can pierce Human skin, then is deadly, And it seems that it doesn't consume to much chakra!
We are throwing names in this thread, and this does not even have a Manga Tag.
I was actually thinking of Gaara's sand as the ultimate in jutsus, but the thing Uchiha_Rurik mensioned is also good, especially if it can hide in other shadows or extend their range.
Even when fighting one on one, area of effect rules. For example, Kakashi charges a Chidori and charges an opponent. The opponent counters with a Katon jutsu. Kakashi can't easily dodge a mass of fire, nor can he block it with his forearm. He'd have to break off his charge to Kawamari or make a long detour around the fire. Compare this to someone who counters with a Rasengan. It's as rasy to dodge a Rasengan as it is to dodge a punch, so Kakashi can just avoid the attack if he's feeling lucky. Someone who counters with a longsword would actually be even more effective, as the sword swing covers a larger area than the Rasengan.
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-07, 11:35
I was actually thinking of Gaara's sand as the ultimate in jutsus, but the thing Uchiha_Rurik mensioned is also good, especially if it can hide in other shadows or extend their range.
Even when fighting one on one, area of effect rules. For example, Kakashi charges a Chidori and charges an opponent. The opponent counters with a Katon jutsu. Kakashi can't easily dodge a mass of fire, nor can he block it with his forearm. He'd have to break off his charge to Kawamari or make a long detour around the fire. Compare this to someone who counters with a Rasengan. It's as rasy to dodge a Rasengan as it is to dodge a punch, so Kakashi can just avoid the attack if he's feeling lucky. Someone who counters with a longsword would actually be even more effective, as the sword swing covers a larger area than the Rasengan.
Gaara's jutsu, altough very effective at almost any situation, are very costly in terms of chakra even by Jinchuuriki standards. Then with Shikamaru's jutsu there's a fixed area where the shadows can strike. Again, limits have to be placed otherwise everything is just too cheap.
With Kakashi, he almost never uses the Chidori unless the oponent is disabled in terms of movement (Sasuke is the only one that uses it on moving targets). And doesn't Naruto know the new verison of Rasengan, the Oodama Rasengan, which cowers a rather large area even if it misses the target?
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-07, 11:35
I was actually thinking of Gaara's sand as the ultimate in jutsus, but the thing Uchiha_Rurik mensioned is also good, especially if it can hide in other shadows or extend their range.
Even when fighting one on one, area of effect rules. For example, Kakashi charges a Chidori and charges an opponent. The opponent counters with a Katon jutsu. Kakashi can't easily dodge a mass of fire, nor can he block it with his forearm. He'd have to break off his charge to Kawamari or make a long detour around the fire. Compare this to someone who counters with a Rasengan. It's as rasy to dodge a Rasengan as it is to dodge a punch, so Kakashi can just avoid the attack if he's feeling lucky. Someone who counters with a longsword would actually be even more effective, as the sword swing covers a larger area than the Rasengan.
Gaara's jutsu, altough very effective at almost any situation, are very costly in terms of chakra even by Jinchuuriki standards. Then with Shikamaru's jutsu there's a fixed area where the shadows can strike. Again, limits have to be placed otherwise everything is just too cheap.
With Kakashi, he almost never uses the Chidori unless the oponent is disabled in terms of movement (Sasuke is the only one that uses it on moving targets). And doesn't Naruto know the new verison of Rasengan, the Oodama Rasengan, which cowers a rather large area even if it misses the target?
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-07, 11:36
I was actually thinking of Gaara's sand as the ultimate in jutsus, but the thing Uchiha_Rurik mensioned is also good, especially if it can hide in other shadows or extend their range.
Even when fighting one on one, area of effect rules. For example, Kakashi charges a Chidori and charges an opponent. The opponent counters with a Katon jutsu. Kakashi can't easily dodge a mass of fire, nor can he block it with his forearm. He'd have to break off his charge to Kawamari or make a long detour around the fire. Compare this to someone who counters with a Rasengan. It's as rasy to dodge a Rasengan as it is to dodge a punch, so Kakashi can just avoid the attack if he's feeling lucky. Someone who counters with a longsword would actually be even more effective, as the sword swing covers a larger area than the Rasengan.
Gaara's jutsu, altough very effective at almost any situation, are very costly in terms of chakra even by Jinchuuriki standards. Then with Shikamaru's jutsu there's a fixed area where the shadows can strike. Again, limits have to be placed otherwise everything is just too cheap.
With Kakashi, he almost never uses the Chidori unless the oponent is disabled in terms of movement (Sasuke is the only one that uses it on moving targets). And doesn't Naruto know the new verison of Rasengan, the Oodama Rasengan, which cowers a rather large area even if it misses the target?
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-07, 11:38
Sorry about the repeat post, something srewed up the computer here. I don't know how to remove the other post, can someone help me with that?
With Kakashi, he almost never uses the Chidori unless the oponent is disabled in terms of movement (Sasuke is the only one that uses it on moving targets). And doesn't Naruto know the new verison of Rasengan, the Oodama Rasengan, which cowers a rather large area even if it misses the target?
I will throw my opinion in a couple of thing here,
The first thing, I don’t think Kakashi only uses Chidory when his opponent is unable to move, the Zabuza was an exception because the Dogs where used mostly for Finding Zabuza, also I think Kakashi immobilized Zabuza in order to avoid another mist concealment Jutsu.
Second The Chidory and Sharingan Combo its supposed to help Kakashi with the problem of Attacks that can be directed at him, In other words it could be possible that Kakashi can create the Chidory runs towards the opponent, and even if the opponent does the Katon Jutsu, he can adjust the path of his attack and still having a successful hit with the Chidory.
Then Your part where I tag with Spoiler The Odoma Ransegan is just a more powerful version of the Rasengan, the area which this Jutsu covers it is still small compared to Jutsus like the Gokakyu made by Itachi
Gaara's jutsu, altough very effective at almost any situation, are very costly in terms of chakra even by Jinchuuriki standards. Then with Shikamaru's jutsu there's a fixed area where the shadows can strike. Again, limits have to be placed otherwise everything is just too cheap.We don' know how much the jutsus cost, since Gaara just casually tosses around massive amoutns of sand. Even as a child he could toss around sand.
With Kakashi, he almost never uses the Chidori unless the oponent is disabled in terms of movement (Sasuke is the only one that uses it on moving targets).Well if you got your opponet immobalized, then you shouldn't need a technique like the Chidori anyway, just slit his throat with a Kunai. If you can immobalize your opponent, you've pretty much won anyway.
Besides, Kakashi was going to try it against Orochimaru. Under that circumstance Kakashi probably thought the Chidori was his best shot.
Second The Chidory and Sharingan Combo its supposed to help Kakashi with the problem of Attacks that can be directed at him, In other words it could be possible that Kakashi can create the Chidory runs towards the opponent, and even if the opponent does the Katon Jutsu, he can adjust the path of his attack and still having a successful hit with the Chidory.True, but that's not the power of the Chidori, but the power of the Sharingan to avoid counterattacks. The ability to avoid and dodge attacks is the same, whether you're using the Chidori, the Rasengan, a Katon jutsu, or a knife.
Ero-Senn1n
2006-03-07, 16:24
You mean that Yondaime and Itachi's natural style is "stealthy" right? Not that the san-nin can't be nor that Itachi couldn't be a WMD!
All the top level ninja can be stealthy but it seems that Itachi and Yondaime have some ultimate jutsu.
Yondaime could
simply teleport behind someone and stab him with a kunai so that he died in an instant not even having time to scream, and after that teleport to another location far away before others notice.
As for Itachi he just looks at somebody with hi MS jutsu and the guy dies in an instant, after that he can disappear. Also just two things about his stealthyness:
- in every situation when somebody aproached him or was hiding he was the first to notice, it seems like he cannot be surprised
- he could infiltrate Konoha quite easily, being a genjutsu master he can make people fall asleep, he can make people think they are in love ( the girl with Jiraiya) or anything he wants.
Others are also great but I think these two stand out a little bit.
True, but that's not the power of the Chidori, but the power of the Sharingan to avoid counterattacks. The ability to avoid and dodge attacks is the same, whether you're using the Chidori, the Rasengan, a Katon jutsu, or a knife.
Ok I got you there, Just forgot for a moment there, that we are talking just about the Jutsu itself, But then we should exclude any Jutsu that requires Byakugan to be performed...Don't you think?
We don' know how much the jutsus cost, since Gaara just casually tosses around massive amoutns of sand. Even as a child he could toss around sand.
Not really casually, when Gaara got serious against Kimimaro and started to use really impressive jutsu like the Sand avalanche he tired quite fast despite being a jinchuuriki.
And it was the same against Deidara even if the amount of Sand he was using was incredibly superior.
I don't think there is an ultimate jutsu in every reguard for the moment. The most powerful jutsu are usually double edged or at least use much chakra because if that wasn't the case their user would be godlike.
I mean for example, imagine an Amaterasu with a really huge area of effect like all what Itachi sees if he wants to, no chakra cost and working at short to long distance. Or Kakashi's jutsu with easy aims and infinite shots. Or Baika no jutsu without side effect neither size's limits.
That just becomes way too ridiculously powerful.
Well, obviously there won't be a jutsu that hits ALL the points. However, my point i that what are supposed to be the super moves (Rasengan, Chidori, the Mangekyou Sharingan moves) only fit one or two categories while other "lesser" moves are more effective.
Ok I got you there, Just forgot for a moment there, that we are talking just about the Jutsu itself, But then we should exclude any Jutsu that requires Byakugan to be performed...Don't you think?Good point. Personally, I see the moves of the Jyuuken to be dependant on the Byakugan, so that they become virtually impossible to perform without the Byakugan. You could do it, but you'd have to guess the location of your opponent's chakra pathways and inner coils.
The Chidori is made more effective by the Sharingan. However, even without the Sharingan, it still makes your hand glow with so much power that stuff around it disintegrates. Just use it to punch your opponent and it'll turn a near miss into a deadly attack. At it's heart its just another Put Chakra In Hand --> Hand Does More Damage technique, like the Rasengan. If we're going to make Sharingan/Chidori a specific combo, we'd also have to make Sharingan/Rasengan, Sharingan/Knife, Sharingan/100 years of pain etc. etc. special moves as well, since they're all enhanced by the Sharingan while the Byakugan only enhances a small set of moves collectively called Jyuuken.
Mr. Johnny 5
2006-03-08, 06:30
If you think about the common ways that ninja's use to kill an enemy (think about Splinter Cell) then i havent see that once...
Conceal yourself...sneak behind him...shut his mouth....and slice the neck....cruel but swift, stealth and deadly. Yondaime did this but...he didnt shut his mouth..so he could still scream for help actually.
The srongest Jutsu, the ultimate Jutsu, there can be no doubt.
It is Thousand Years of Pain.
The Jutsu is fast and deadly. It attacks from a blind spot and will paralyse your opponent in most cases. It will ALWAYS have the moment of surprise since no ninja could predict such a move neither would anyone know it. It even damaged Gaara in his Semi-Demon form, that should tell us of it's true potential.
I hope we get to see Naruto using Oodama thousand years of pain. There is a large chance that this will be "that" jutsu Jiraiya was talking about. It makes perfect sense.
This Jutsu is directly followed by Harem no Jutsu. I would have said that Harem no Jutsu is the ultimate Jutsu, but it is limited since it does only work on male ninja. So I have to rate it second place, but I want to mention it since it is really close and in a fight against a male ninja (and we all know around 85% of the ninja in the narutoverse are male) it would be the strongest.
Whenever we saw the Jutsu it had maximum effectivity. It is a powered up version of Orioke no Jutsu, and that one was already enough to effect Sandaime (hokage), Ebisu (elite teacher) and Jiraiya (Sanin). So if only one transformed bunshin has such an effect, just imagine what harem no jutsu would have done to them. First the opponents are off balance and completely distracted, and the immense blood loss (nose bleed) will effect them heavily.
It could as well be used against mass ninja attacks.
Now imagine the possibilities. Harem no Jutsu clones are based on kage bunshin, wich means they all have real bodies. So i.E. Sasoris 100 puppets would be nothing against them. Or Itachi. Assuming he is gay, and the jutsu would have no effect on him, all his Mangekyou jutsus would be useless. He can't Amaterasu them all. and he can't Tsukiyumi in a 360 degree, so he would have to use his ultimates over and over again, wich is not possible for him because his stamina is limited, etc...
Maybe this is the reason why Orochimaru gathers only gay ninja around him. He must know of the true dangers of the Harem no Jutsu.
Well, if Naruto can transform into Sasuke wearning tight leather, it could affect the female/gay ninja as well.
Well, obviously there won't be a jutsu that hits ALL the points. However, my point i that what are supposed to be the super moves (Rasengan, Chidori, the Mangekyou Sharingan moves) only fit one or two categories while other "lesser" moves are more effective.
True, Gaara's fighting style though obviously requiring much chakra is very complete. Effective for both offence and defence during large scale fighting or duel with basically each blow as killing moves.
The Chidori and the Rasengan are very good jutsu but they're overused even when the situation doesn't really require such moves.
The MS moves are a little particular because what they lack in effect zone and chakra cost they make up by the difficulty to avoid them.
Illuyankas
2006-03-08, 12:34
Wasn't the Chidori originally meant to be an assassination jutsu? Considering it needs an extensive charge-up time, a fifty foot run up and is extremely noisy, how does it fit it's original purpose?
Illuyankas
2006-03-08, 12:34
Stupid repeat posts.
Illuyankas
2006-03-08, 12:34
Stupid repeat posts.
Illuyankas
2006-03-08, 12:34
Stupid repeat posts.
Every repost is repost repost.
Seriously, what's going on? I did this what, three times? And it posts all these.
Mr. Johnny 5
2006-03-08, 13:49
Dont post buddy!! :p...i have this aswell once in a while..annoying indeed...i dont know how to fix it...so you'll have to wait i guess...
YakuMoFan~
2006-03-08, 19:38
I didnt take the time to read every single post.. so sorry if anyone has mentioned this but.. im not sure if its a spoiler
Later on Gaara needs to use chakra manually to control his sand .. as a defensive , and this may be off the topic but.. Kimimaro [ forgot how to spell ] im not sure he has skills, but with him made out of bones... and the ability to control where his bones are .. There is a site that shows an episode of Gaara,Naruto,Rocklee [ DRUNKEN FISTS ] fighting Kimimaro and their getting powned.. but i doesnt show the ending.. which i really want to see... who wins? Yes.. Even with Narutos Mass shadow Replication.. those bones are like.. Gaaras sand cept sharper and it doesnt cover his whole body.
Fukitsu Naruto
2006-03-08, 22:41
I didnt take the time to read every single post.. so sorry if anyone has mentioned this but.. im not sure if its a spoiler
Later on Gaara needs to use chakra manually to control his sand .. as a defensive , and this may be off the topic but.. Kimimaro [ forgot how to spell ] im not sure he has skills, but with him made out of bones... and the ability to control where his bones are .. There is a site that shows an episode of Gaara,Naruto,Rocklee [ DRUNKEN FISTS ] fighting Kimimaro and their getting powned.. but i doesnt show the ending.. which i really want to see... who wins? Yes.. Even with Narutos Mass shadow Replication.. those bones are like.. Gaaras sand cept sharper and it doesnt cover his whole body.
Kimimaro dies of his unknown disease mere moments before he impales Gaara and Lee with his bone spear (this was located on his left arm I believe).
On Topic: Don't take this the wrong way but I believe that there is no such thing as an "ultimate" anything. Kyuubi was considered the "ultimate" biju of his time before he was sealed by Yondaime. Even the best jutsu will be surpassed by another, as long as certain amount of time passes. If I had to consider the current "ultimate" jutsu I would have to go with Yondaime's "Death God Sealing" (sorry don't know the Japanese translation).
Death god jutsu beat the strongest thing in the naruto-verse, its a obvious choice.
The problem of the Shiki Fuujin without even speaking of the fact it sacrifices your own soul for eternity is that if you miss you die for nothing.
KatonMakai you take assassination as stealthy murder, the Chidori is simply a jutsu whose sole purpose is killing the opponent, that is all.
doton yomi numa is the most powerful jutsu we ve seen till now. It changes the earth ito mud and its unescapable. TYou can defeat 1000 of shinobis at onmce even huge summons. You only hjave to form two seals while hiranshin and other jutsus need kunai and shit and take longer. Get it?
Actually the most powerfull things make the best jutsus. For mere destructive power Explosions work the best. They cover a large area, and don't require much on site chakra (it appeared that Diedra made them before hand). Pluss you could take out and entire ninja village with one big enough. THE ULTIMATE NASTY.:bash:
Second would probably be poison or gara's sand/shino's bugs. If you attack with an overwhelming amount of something from multiple different angles than you can pretty much kick some serious ass. Case in point -landscape of sand/ chakra eating bugs from all directions/ poison bombs and 1000 puppets w/ poison weapons- tend to do the trick.
Finally just plain physical superiority. Limit break moves like Lotus gates, 9 tails chakra, curse seal, curry pills. . . ect. make for a boost in strength that so far have been unrivaled (4 the most part) during the series.
Also the Zanku cutter was cool, but the character died off before I could make a proper analysis of it's usefullness+ Temari's version was better.
In the end thou I think it's more about how u use the jutsu insted of it's power. Shikamaru tango'd with 3 deadly chicks who all had much better jutsu then he did, but still did a pretty good job of runnin train.
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-21, 10:43
Remeber "that jutsu" oro stoped sasuke from using agianst naruto, sai, sakura, and yamato in sasukes first appearence in part 2? Could that jutsu possibly be just as strong or stronger that Narutos FSR?
Hentai Guy
2007-03-22, 02:10
However, even without the Sharingan, it still makes your hand glow with so much power that stuff around it disintegrates. Just use it to punch your opponent and it'll turn a near miss into a deadly attack.
I don't think it would be nearly as effective as you make it sound. Yeah, it would probably hurt...but the power isn't generated by just the chakra, it's the speed of thrust that gives it its real power (hense, the running). If you're fast enough to run in a straight line and still hit your opponent without getting hit, then it would work just fine...problem is, it's very very difficult to do (why Kakshi couldn't do it before the Sharingan).
amOKchen
2007-03-22, 03:03
The ultimate move must be: Thousand Years of Pain Rasengan Phase2.
Naruto inputs his two fat long fingers in sasukes ass and start making rasengan, creating a big anal tickling/explosion that will make sasuke cry in happyness.
I don't think it would be nearly as effective as you make it sound. Yeah, it would probably hurt...but the power isn't generated by just the chakra, it's the speed of thrust that gives it its real power (hense, the running). If you're fast enough to run in a straight line and still hit your opponent without getting hit, then it would work just fine...problem is, it's very very difficult to do (why Kakshi couldn't do it before the Sharingan).
Except we have seen several times now Sasuke and Kakashi using the Chidori at point blanck without running and they still pierced through people like butter.
Remeber "that jutsu" oro stoped sasuke from using agianst naruto, sai, sakura, and yamato in sasukes first appearence in part 2? Could that jutsu possibly be just as strong or stronger that Narutos FSR?
Yeah I'm pretty sure this move of Sasuke's is stronger than FRS. Even Orochimaru didn't want Sasuke to use it because he thought it would kill them. If Orochimaru says its dangerous you've got to believe its dangerous.
Maybe this move is like a chidori fused with rasengan and mixed with genjutsu to multiply the jutsu to hit on all sides thus killing the opponent.
Remeber "that jutsu" oro stoped sasuke from using agianst naruto, sai, sakura, and yamato in sasukes first appearence in part 2? Could that jutsu possibly be just as strong or stronger that Narutos FSR?
they way it seems, sasuke lifted his hand and storm clouds would appear and strike naruto with thunder and lightning. that would be so cool, that would be a susano move i guess
they way it seems, sasuke lifted his hand and storm clouds would appear and strike naruto with thunder and lightning. that would be so cool, that would be a susano move i guess
Yeah it would be cool but wouldn't Sasuke need MS to pull it off. If he doesn't then Sasuke truly has more potential than Itachi and may become even cooler than him.
Hentai Guy
2007-04-24, 08:06
Except we have seen several times now Sasuke and Kakashi using the Chidori at point blanck without running and they still pierced through people like butter.
Which directly contradicts what has been stated about the technique both in the series and in the databooks...I can't recall any specific instances of either of them using the Chidori like that, but if they do it's a mistake...one way or the other.
Which directly contradicts what has been stated about the technique both in the series and in the databooks...I can't recall any specific instances of either of them using the Chidori like that, but if they do it's a mistake...one way or the other.
Sasuke used it to pierce through Naruto's chest while holding him with the other hand. Can't hardly make a slower thrust.
Which directly contradicts what has been stated about the technique both in the series and in the databooks...I can't recall any specific instances of either of them using the Chidori like that, but if they do it's a mistake...one way or the other.
Sasuke piercing Naruto at point blank, Kakashi killing the last of the 3 Rock nin still at close contact, Kakashi piercing through Kakuzu whereas there was a big tree right behind him and finishing him off with another Chidori while he was on the ground or Sasuke using it in middle air to counter the Rasengan on the hospital's roof and piercing though the water tank whereas he was merely threw away by Kakashi. You can add to that Sasuke's first shown Chidori digging into the arena's wall before he started running
The Kusanagi fueled with Chidori also cut through metal with just the speed of Sasuke's wrist and the Chidori-sword cut through the door and Oro's arms with the lightning chakra speed before piercing the wall whereas Sasuke was merely walking.
The speed might give the Chidori an additional neccessary thrust power against "ultimate" defense and the like but against mere flesh/stone/wood/metal it seems to work just fine with only the sheer destructive power of lightning.
Now the simple truth is that the Chidori, like the Rasengan, as signature moves of the heroe and his rival aren't consistant depending of what Kishimoto wants to show both in term of use and after effect.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-25, 14:46
There are certain kinds of jutsu's which seem rather impossible to defend against. Most people here like to argue about who is stronger or weaker but what actually can be done against these jutsu's that i will mention:
1# Temari - Kuchi yose Kirikiri mai (Spinning Whirl)
Once she starts this jutsu it seems to me rather impossible to defend against.
Unless you are someone like Kimimaro or Gaara it seems not possible to survive this. Thoughts on this?
2# Uchiha Itachi - Tsukyomi
What can be done actually once your inside it? Isnt it already game over then even if you posses the same kind of MS? Thoughts on this?
3# Gaara - Sabaku Kyu (Desert Coffin) // Sabaku Sousou (Desert Funeral) // Sabaku Rou (Desert Prison)
Gaara floats in the air and starts attacking (just like recently in the anime or manga) with a massive amount of Sand like he did against Deidara or Kimimaro.
Obviously the ammounts of bombs a person can have are limited like Deidara but what can other shinobi besides Deidara do when Sand comes at you at the size of huge beasts like Gamabunta? What can be done against these jutsu's?
I am sure there are other kinds of jutsu's aswell for example Neji's 64 Tenketsu and so far these kinds of jutsu's (except Itachi's & Temari's) were miraculously evade/blocked or countered because they suddenly faced there mortal enemy.
There are certain kinds of jutsu's which seem rather impossible to defend against. Most people here like to argue about who is stronger or weaker but what actually can be done against these jutsu's that i will mention:
These are questions to be asked in their own thread or somewhere else... they don't really belong in Q&A
Q&A thread is for questions that CAN be answered with solid facts(as opposed to speculation)
I mean, unless we actually see someone deal with those jutsu in the series then we can't be certain as to how to deal with them, we can only speculate
Those questions are subject to major speculation and may warrent discussion, we maybe able to dabate endlessly about those; and Q&A thread wasn't meant for debates, just straight up questions and answers... there is no definate answer
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-26, 04:50
These are questions to be asked in their own thread or somewhere else... they don't really belong in Q&A
Q&A thread is for questions that CAN be answered with solid facts(as opposed to speculation)
I mean, unless we actually see someone deal with those jutsu in the series then we can't be certain as to how to deal with them, we can only speculate
Those questions are subject to major speculation and may warrent discussion, we maybe able to dabate endlessly about those; and Q&A thread wasn't meant for debates, just straight up questions and answers... there is no definate answer
I wasnt really asking for a debate but more or less straight and simple answers for the old veterans here :p answers for my questions..
Besides i didnt feel like creating a thread where my answers could be answered in 1 post.
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