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Village Idiot
2006-03-12, 15:36
From the looks of the advance previews for the next several episodes:
１１話「鮮血神殿（ブラッド・フォート・アンドロメダ）」
凛は鍛錬を積んできた士郎を見て彼の魔術の本質を知る。
午前中はセイバーと稽古午後からは凛に魔術を教わり戦いに備える日々を送る士郎。
そんな士郎に慎二は電話をかけ「どうしても話しておきたいことがあるから一人で学校へ来い」と 告げる。
Ep 11. The Temple Of Blood (Blood Fort Adromeda)
Shirou spends his days by practising Swords play with Saber in the morning and mastering Magic with Rin in the afternoon. Through Rin's trainings, Shiro learnt the essence of Magic.Then Shinji called, saying he wish to speak with Shirou alone in the school.
１２話「空を裂く」
これ以上慎二に人を傷つけさせたくない士郎はライダーを倒し聖杯戦争から離脱させる決意を固め る。
そして士郎とセイバーは慎二を探し新都へと赴く。
Ep12. Splitting The Sky.
Shirou, who does not want to hurt Shinji, makes the decison to kill Rider to pull shinji out of the Grail War. So he and Saber headed for Shinjuku to search for Shinji.
１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。
Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.
１４話「無限の剣製（アンリミテッド・ブレイド・ワークス）」
イリヤに捕らわれてしまった士郎を救い出すためアインツベルン城を目指すセイバー達。
イリヤの不在時に城に潜入し士郎を連れ脱出しようとするが…。
Ep 14. Unlimited Blade Works
Shirou's captured by Illya. Saber and the rest, after planning a resue mission, headed for Castle Einzbern when Illya's not around to rescue Shirou.
What do you guys think of the direction the anime is headed to?
So far, it's definitely the Fate scenerio, yet Archer's cryptic comment at the end of Ep10 hints that it'll also be heading down the UBW scenerio (or he still lacks his memory and is just providing cryptic advice like he did in the Fate scenerio).
However, they're doing the whole "Shirou gets captured by Ilya" part of the Fate scenerio, and we all know what'll happen there.
Will it be changed so that Archer is merely injured in his fight and regains his memories when Shirou uses his true ability?
Is this also the end of Rider? As from the previews, it mentioned Saber beating her.
But what about Caster? Is she going to be doing what she did in the UBW scenerio with Saber?
My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).
My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).
With that in mind, one would think the show would at least get a OAV at the end of the series.. maybe two, but i believe Fate's not gonna be like that - so far the anime has covered all the information needed to make it a stable anime series.. even though they'll probably leave out info' that people are going to wanna know.
Also..
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3711/bscap0001hw.th.jpg (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap0001hw.jpg)
Ilya's father.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5246/bscap0014da.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap0014da.jpg)
Shirou's stepfather.
I wonder if anymore information shall be given.. or if people are going to notice Shirou & Ilya's connection.
demon_god04
2006-03-12, 16:15
So far, it's definitely the Fate scenerio, yet Archer's cryptic comment at the end of Ep10 hints that it'll also be heading down the UBW scenerio (or he still lacks his memory and is just providing cryptic advice like he did in the Fate scenerio).
However, they're doing the whole "Shirou gets captured by Ilya" part of the Fate scenerio, and we all know what'll happen there.
Will it be changed so that Archer is merely injured in his fight and regains his memories when Shirou uses his true ability?
Is this also the end of Rider? As from the previews, it mentioned Saber beating her.
But what about Caster? Is she going to be doing what she did in the UBW scenerio with Saber?
My main concern is how rushed the last half will be, since they're devoting three whole episodes to the whole Shinji Arc, and the Ilya Arc will take at least 2-3 Episodes, same with a possible Caster/Archer Arc, and then find enough time to put all the pieces together for the final battle(s).
In my opinion Archer and Shirou's story from UBW is just too good to miss, problem is as you have said with Shinji taking up 3 eps would they be able to pull off the ending with a Caster/Archer arc. and then theres also Sakura and Rin's story that they dropped a few hints here and there even though HF seems unlikely at this point they might explore that connection somehow.
Thats kinda why I was hoping the previews were fake since the pacing seems to be too slow to show all the things I personally want them to in the anime:heh:
As it stands right now it certainly does look like Fate with MAYBE some UBW
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3711/bscap0001hw.th.jpg (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap0001hw.jpg)
Ilya's father.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5246/bscap0014da.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap0014da.jpg)
Shirou's stepfather.
I wonder if anymore information shall be given.. or if people are going to notice Shirou & Ilya's connection.
I was thinking about that, but then I dismissed it.
I was thinking about that, but then I dismissed it.
Indeed i know people are gonna be doing that, but this is probably the smallest link we'll see to Shirou & Ilya's connection.
Village Idiot
2006-03-12, 18:00
In my opinion Archer and Shirou's story from UBW is just too good to miss, problem is as you have said with Shinji taking up 3 eps would they be able to pull off the ending with a Caster/Archer arc. and then theres also Sakura and Rin's story that they dropped a few hints here and there even though HF seems unlikely at this point they might explore that connection somehow.
Thats kinda why I was hoping the previews were fake since the pacing seems to be too slow to show all the things I personally want them to in the anime:heh:
As it stands right now it certainly does look like Fate with MAYBE some UBW
Agreed.
I just cannot see a Fate/stay night anime that at the very least does not incorporate Archer's story of the UBW storyline.
Some of the preview translations are oddly off, so I'm going to redo them here.
１２話「空を裂く」
これ以上慎二に人を傷つけさせたくない士郎はライダーを倒し聖杯戦争から離脱させる決意を固め る。
そして士郎とセイバーは慎二を探し新都へと赴く。
Ep12. Tearing the Sky.
Not willing to let Shinji hurt any more people, Shirou reinforces his decision to remove him from the Holy Grail War by defeating Rider. And so, Shirou and Saber proceeds onto Shinto in search for Shinji.
１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。
Ep 13. Castle of Winter
Releasing her noble phantasm during her intense battle against Rider, Saber exhausts her magic powers and collapses. Knowing that Saber will disappear at this rate if nothing is done to replenish her magic powers, Shirou becomes depressed at himself for not being able to do anything.
１４話「無限の剣製（アンリミテッド・ブレイド・ワークス）」
イリヤに捕らわれてしまった士郎を救い出すためアインツベルン城を目指すセイバー達。
イリヤの不在時に城に潜入し士郎を連れ脱出しようとするが…。
Ep 14. Unlimited Blade Works
Saber and the others head towards the Einzbern castle in order to rescue Shirou, who was captured by Ilya. They try to infiltrate the castle while Ilya is away and escape with Shirou, but...
As for the direction, it's clear enough from all these previews that it's going towards:
Fate route. But the title for episode 14, Unlimited Blade Works, suggests that something from that scenario will appear here.
Maybe rather than Archer killing Berserker 6 times before dying like he did in Fate, Archer will use his UBW here and pwn Berserker?
I don't doubt for a moment that Archer is the Archer from UBW, all those "hints" towards Shirou suggests he never had any memory loss.
As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-03-12, 19:22
i think Rider, of course will from the previews that she will die, if she don't die, than this story will drag on a few episodes, and they will have to rush and skip all other details. So far, i think Archer will die, while using UBW? you know they are mixing FATE/UBW together so it can be possible that Archer dies trying to kill Berserker with UBW, but this is how i look at it. This is all i speculate for now, need to watch more to see where it will take us
i think Rider, of course will from the previews that she will die, if she don't die, than this story will drag on a few episodes, and they will have to rush and skip all other details. So far, i think Archer will die, while using UBW? you know they are mixing FATE/UBW together so it can be possible that Archer dies trying to kill Berserker with UBW, but this is how i look at it. This is all i speculate for now, need to watch more to see where it will take us
I don't think Archer's going to end up dieing, like in Fate. I think he'll reveal his Noble Phantasm and own Berserker with it. Killing him off then will just put all those hints that Archer left go to waste. The Archer/Shirou deal is a part I don't think they're going to leave out.
And don't feel bad about Saber's lack of mana Shirou! You do have a way to replenish it! The question is, will they leave it in and make me very happy? Or will they just skip it? As that moments seems to be coming up in either episode 12 or 13.
As for Rider... :(
The Archer/Shirou deal is a part I don't think they're going to leave out.
I very much agree, what with how much they've been pushing to it & leaving hints here and there.. the shock when i found out was pretty amazing, so i wanna at least be able to feel that again.. even though i know. ^^;
MakubeX2
2006-03-12, 22:56
Some of the preview translations are oddly off, so I'm going to redo them here.
Given that I learnt all my Japanese from Anime, Dorama, J-Pop and Ero-Games, I hope my translation isn't that off to the point that people will be misled.
As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.
Looking at my previous episode previews for :-
Ep 2-4 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=436729#post436729)
Ep 7-10 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=474322#post474322)
Which are from the same source quoting from Animage, I have no doubt that those are legit synopsis. So.....
Xellos-_^
2006-03-12, 23:35
As for Rider, she's had her moments, but if episode 12 is true, then we can kiss goodbye to Heavens Feel.
It would depend on HOW Rider "die," look at Aoi form MO. Ep13 could show Rider "dying" then bring her back a few episode later for a HF ending.
it all come sdown to who would make a better Villan :eyebrow: The priest or the housewife.
The previews are just that previews. it doesn't tell us everything.
Hopefully we get a HF ending with good sabre still around.
I like Seed Mode Sakura even through she scares the hell out of me :heh:
demon_god04
2006-03-12, 23:49
The problem is will they have enough eps to properly direct the plot to a HF ending especially with the previews showing what they are. It looks like its going to be heavily Fate with some Archer goodness, with the number of eps those events seem to eat up, and the direction the anime is going, it doesnt look like HF is eve remotely possible in a 24 - 26 ep anime.
on a side note I dont mean to be a backseat mod but we need to label the spoiler tags otherwise it would be pointless to have them in the first place -.-
Please make sure you use spoiler tags when making posts concerning the second and third topics above! Also provide where the source of such speculation come from if at all possible (i.e. "Animeage", or "Game") and identify any spoiler tags with the use of the subject title (see the paragraph below how to do this). Untagged spoilers are risking a ban for the poster, please use the Report button http://forums.animesuki.com/images/buttons/report.gif if you see any unmarked spoilers.
MakubeX2
2006-03-12, 23:52
It would depend on HOW Rider "die," look at Aoi form MO. Ep13 could show Rider "dying" then bring her back a few episode later for a HF ending.
To survive a direct blow from Excalibur ? That will just make Saber look underpower. Besides, it was never explictly stated that the same Servant can be revive for the same war. Game purist might not like that.
Of course, there's a need to see if Shinji survive his Fate Fate. There's a lack of a punch without Sakura poping his head after her back story is revealed should they go for HF for the last 3/4 of the anime.
So really no chance for HF route? :sad:
From the preview.. I cant wait how Shirou handle his dilemma in ep 13/14 :naughty:
btw.. thanks ojisan ^^
EvoSpace
2006-03-13, 00:19
１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。
Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.
As Sushi-Y said, there's a translation error here! It never says Rider was defeated. It just says, after a fierce battle with Rider, Saber released her Noble Phantasm, and that causes her to collapse from exhaust of mana.
So there's still a slight chance Rider will come back... Because I'm sure they will be revealing Sakura's past and it'll be great to have Rider in there!
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-03-13, 00:40
１３話「冬の城」
ライダーとの激しい戦いで宝具を解放し魔力を使い果たしてしまい倒れるセイバー。
このまま魔力を回復できなければセイバーは消えてしまうと知るが何も出来ない自分に落ち込む士 郎。
Ep 13. Winter's Castle.
Saber manage to defeat Rider after an intense fight by unleasing her Noble Phantasm and exhaust all her mana in the process. Shirou, who does not know how to replenish Saber's mana, gets worried when he knew Saber would disappear if thing carries on.
I see a translation error here! It never says Rider was defeated. It just says, after a fierce battle with Rider, Saber released her Noble Phantasm, and that causes her to collapse from exhaust of mana.
So there's still a chance Rider will come back. Because I'm sure they will be revealing Sakura's past and it'll be great to have Rider in there!
Saber...depletion of mana, i WONDER what Shirou and Rin will do...MUHAHAH,ahahah *nosebleeed* oooops...
zouken's results in the polls.
■きのコメント■
３６位はこの人。昨年行われた“『hollow』で出番がなかった大会”で見事準優勝となったご老人だー っ！
また、来年開催予定の“アニメで出番がなかった大会”でもかなりの順位が予想されております 。ほろり。
hf elements without zouken? （´・ω・） ｶﾜｲｿｽ
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-13, 01:50
Rider vs Saber scene on top of building should be epic fight.
MakubeX2
2006-03-13, 01:59
You heard it from the Mushroom Master himself.
No Zouken in Anime therefore No HF.
But there might be elements of HF from what I see.
Sakura being adopted into Maitou Family. Suffer abuse at the hands of Shinji. Jealous of Rin. Hatred of Rin. All revealed somehow later in the show.
Saber...depletion of mana, i WONDER what Shirou and Rin will do...MUHAHAH,ahahah *nosebleeed* oooops...
Given what the previews that have been posted here say, that scene ought to appear in episode 15. I wonder how they will handle it? Will they just imply it, or will they replace it with some other mana transfer method? For example, maybe Rin could conduct some kind of ritual or special spell in order to do the mana transfer.
So there's still a slight chance Rider will come back... Because I'm sure they will be revealing Sakura's past and it'll be great to have Rider in there!
Hmm, i'm not sure if they're gonna talk about Sakura's past - it would help out the story a lot, and for people new to the story. to understand her character.. but if they do plan, then Rider is needed. I know that in the game she dies from Saber's atttack.. but i have a strange feeling that it'll be different.
Rider vs Saber scene on top of building should be epic fight.
I agree, thats looking to be my fav' part of the series.. i just hope it goes all well, which i know it shall. ^^
tragicsmile
2006-03-13, 08:35
If Rider is to survive, what I see most likely happening is that Sakura recalls her/turns her back into a spirit before Saber's Excalibur hits, leaving both Shirou and Shinji confused. Shinji realizes what happens, gets back to his house fuming, tries to rape Sakura and she pops his head like a balloon. However, does Sakura have any power over Rider now that Shinji is the temporary master?
However, does Sakura have any power over Rider now that Shinji is the temporary master?
I would think she would, being the original master of Rider and all - but does that actually mean anything when Shinji has control of her?
Xellos-_^
2006-03-13, 10:20
I would think she would, being the original master of Rider and all - but does that actually mean anything when Shinji has control of her?
As the original Master, Sakura would have the command seals and be able to override any command form Shinji.
If FSN has the HF ending, it would mean Shirou ends living with Sabre, Rin, Sakura, Rider and Loli :twitch: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :eyespin: :naughty: thats one lucky #*$^%&#&* :frustrated:
Wonders what Fuji-nee will think of it all
demon_god04
2006-03-13, 10:33
As the original Master, Sakura would have the command seals and be able to override any command form Shinji.
If FSN has the HF ending, it would mean Shirou ends living with Sabre, Rin, Sakura, Rider and Loli :twitch: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :eyespin: :naughty: thats one lucky #*$^%&#&* :frustrated:
Wonders what Fuji-nee will think of it all
Saber aside the Loli doesnt survive the "good" ending of HF.
Maybe its just me but I really dont see Rider surviving the fight, I dunno it doesnt have the kick if one of the combatants walked away, yet again I might add
tragicsmile
2006-03-13, 10:38
Agreed - I have no real qualms about it; we're just trying to see how they might fit Heaven's Feel into it, no matter how unlikely that is.
demon_god04
2006-03-13, 10:46
Well a whole HF scenario is pretty much out the window but...
I think they will probly add in Sakura being adopted, being abused and blaming Rin like MakubeX2 mentioned.
Maybe I just want Sakura to pop Shinji's head after all that is revealed...:heh: oh well the Fate way is just as good....:heh:
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-03-14, 21:26
You should know something about Nasu.
He LIKES to lie and say things to confuse you
ie: Satsuki arc, Tsukhime 2, Neco-Arc the movie, ect...
evil|plushie
2006-03-14, 21:46
Hmm, there's also another way these events could play out. If Saber is running low on mana, Caster could technically use rule-breaker on her and then replenish Sabers mana couldn't she? At which point, they could easily bring in UBW Archer.
Village Idiot
2006-03-14, 22:57
Well a whole HF scenario is pretty much out the window but...
I think they will probly add in Sakura being adopted, being abused and blaming Rin like MakubeX2 mentioned.
Maybe I just want Sakura to pop Shinji's head after all that is revealed...:heh: oh well the Fate way is just as good....:heh:
But I find HF's end for Shinji for more satisfying, and a sense of poetic justice.
demon_god04
2006-03-15, 00:10
But I find HF's end for Shinji for more satisfying, and a sense of poetic justice.
Agreed, but as long as he doesnt live I dont have much to complain about. Im pretty easy to please when it comes to characters I dislike, ofcourse im hoping Sakura gets to do it but if its the loli and her monster pet I wont say anything agaisnt it :p...:heh:
Just so long as a certain pony tail mini skirt girl doesnt go and ruin it *Glares at said girl* :heh: :heh:
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-15, 06:17
No deaths in F/SN is ridiculous. The story set in a way where death is important push in storytelling..... I dunno why people so fearful of characters dying. Life is slow ascension to death anyway.
Let's celebrate their colourful life, and how they end it. Not obsessing about them.
MakubeX2
2006-03-15, 07:35
For those people who wanted Rider to live and proceed onto HF.....
You are opening a Pandora's Box.
Where every other Servant is killed off except Rider.Bad trade off, I say
demon_god04
2006-03-15, 10:11
No deaths in F/SN is ridiculous. The story set in a way where death is important push in storytelling..... I dunno why people so fearful of characters dying. Life is slow ascension to death anyway.
Let's celebrate their colourful life, and how they end it. Not obsessing about them.
I agree, fanboy denial can ruin a series with obsession on who can't die because they are too "popular" *cough*gsd*cough*(ofcourse that series as a whole slew of problems so lets not go into that:heh: ) but I dont think anyone here wanted a F/sn with no deaths just wanting certain characters to survive so they can go down the ending they want.
For those people who wanted Rider to live and proceed onto HF.....
You are opening a Pandora's Box.
Where every other Servant is killed off except Rider.Bad trade off, I say
That doesn't really mean anything, since
All the servants pretty much retire by the end of every scenario, the only difference is when and how they go.
I really don't think Rider will live, if we're going anywhere in the direction of Fate or UBW (which we are), having her live will only get in the way later. If Rider is to live, then chances are the story is going to have to take an original twist from there to somehow integrate Rider into a non-HF storyline. I believe the reason why they're showing Rider's "school seige" event and her "skyscraper battle" with Saber (her biggest non-HF events ) is to squeeze out as much content from her as possible before letting her go.
"How do you know that the anime won't head into HF instead?" I don't, but based on the discussion earlier, it seems unlikely we'll actually get the HF story. We might still see elements from it, but it wouldn't be the original Heavens Feel story from the game.
EvoSpace
2006-03-16, 01:35
If Rider died at this point, then the anime viewer will be missing out on her more important characteristics...
She hasn't used her Eyes or shown to be a loyal and caring person she really is. And if they are going to include Sakura in the future episodes without going the crazy HF route, they at least need a reason for her to be still involved in the War of the Holy Grail. If Zouken isn't there, then she at least needs a Servant. I don't think True Assassin will make a good couple with Sakura... :thinker:
From the looks of it, Archer would get to show off his UBW before he goes. Berserker would be defeated by episode 15? Caster and Souichirou would be given at least one episode. There are still some episodes left to cover other topics than just Gilgamesh, Kotomine, and the main story...
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-16, 01:51
If Rider died at this point, then the anime viewer will be missing out on her more important characteristics...
She hasn't used her Eyes or shown to be a loyal and caring person she really is. And if they are going to include Sakura in the future episodes without going the crazy HF route, they at least need a reason for her to be still involved in the War of the Holy Grail. If Zouken isn't there, then she at least needs a Servant. I don't think True Assassin will make a good couple with Sakura... :thinker:
From the looks of it, Archer would get to show off his UBW before he goes. Berserker would be defeated by episode 15? Caster and Souichirou would be given at least one episode. There are still some episodes left to cover other topics than just Gilgamesh, Kotomine, and the main story...
I do wonder if they gonna diverge little bit so Sakura can sorta participate in the story without Heaven's Feel story path.
If Rider died at this point, then the anime viewer will be missing out on her more important characteristics...
She hasn't used her Eyes or shown to be a loyal and caring person she really is. And if they are going to include Sakura in the future episodes without going the crazy HF route, they at least need a reason for her to be still involved in the War of the Holy Grail.
It kinda pisses me of that they'll miss out Rider's lil' bit of background that makes her a good character, people watching the story just for the first time just care about how she looks, but just maybe in her last few episodes they can show her true nature.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-16, 09:15
They are trying, hence Shiroi's comment that Rider did not seem to take after Shinji's personality trait.
demon_god04
2006-03-16, 09:55
Well theres no need to mention that Rider's character goes beyond her being a walking fetish but still they need to draw the line somewhere. If they show the background and development for every character in the game from all the scenarios they are going to need more then this season....:heh:
They are devoting three episodes to that arc so maybe they are doing something before she gets Saber's pwn stick in the face, but I wouldn't hold my breath. its a shame I agree but there are too many good parts in the scenarios, they will have to make sacrifices for the anime unfortunatly -.-
edit - just noticed spoiler tag title messed up... :heh:
I can see them keeping Rider alive. Despite the way the anime progressing; I think they'll be able to work her and Sakura some way into the story. There have just been so many hints about Rider that I don't see how they can just off her like that without some explanation. If they're going to kill her, they better do a lot of explaining in the next two episodes.
I can see Excalibur besting Bellerophon, but the two Phantasms aren't that different in their stats. And Pegasus also does increase her defense. Even though she was owned in the Fate story, I can see the anime writers coming up with a believable story as to how she might survive.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-16, 18:27
I can see them keeping Rider alive. Despite the way the anime progressing; I think they'll be able to work her and Sakura some way into the story. There have just been so many hints about Rider that I don't see how they can just off her like that without some explanation. If they're going to kill her, they better do a lot of explaining in the next two episodes.
I can see Excalibur besting Bellerophon, but the two Phantasms aren't that different in their stats. And Pegasus also does increase her defense. Even though she was owned in the Fate story, I can see the anime writers coming up with a believable story as to how she might survive.
Sakura could watching formt he shadow and when sees Rider is about to blasted order her to disappear. So it would look like Rider had die and they can then bring her back later. I think there is enough left to bring in elements of Sakura and Riders Story form HF without going over 26Eps.
Caster however is one Servant I don't see surviving to the end. She will rpobably sie are Ep20.
demon_god04
2006-03-16, 18:29
I can see them keeping Rider alive. Despite the way the anime progressing; I think they'll be able to work her and Sakura some way into the story. There have just been so many hints about Rider that I don't see how they can just off her like that without some explanation. If they're going to kill her, they better do a lot of explaining in the next two episodes.
I can see Excalibur besting Bellerophon, but the two Phantasms aren't that different in their stats. And Pegasus also does increase her defense. Even though she was owned in the Fate story, I can see the anime writers coming up with a believable story as to how she might survive.
Except that the anime will lose alot of tension, this is supposed to be a war, a battle for thier lives but so far its been "hi nice to meet you lets rough eachother up a bit then go home for tea" if Rider surives, that fight will lose its impact. I can see them try to work in bits of Sakura's story without Rider and squeeze some Rider bits into the remaining eps before her demise rather then them having yet another unresolved battle.
I can see them try to work in bits of Sakura's story without Rider and squeeze some Rider bits into the remaining eps before her demise rather then them having yet another unresolved battle.
Hmm, maybe Rider's death around episode 12 - that could be enough time to explain about Sakura, or at least show her involved into the battle.
demon_god04
2006-03-16, 18:49
I still say they should give the fans what they want, animate all 3 scenarios in 3 seasons then all is well and we can live in a world filled with nothing but rainbows and lolipops....:heh:
I still say they should give the fans what they want, animate all 3 scenarios in 3 seasons then all is well and we can live in a world filled with nothing but rainbows and lolipops....:heh:
The idea of F/SN going more then one season just doesn't sound right, but maybe OVA's for each story.. that would be alright.
Dreamgazer_X
2006-03-17, 05:08
The idea of F/SN going more then one season just doesn't sound right, but maybe OVA's for each story.. that would be alright.
from the likes of it, I think they're already merging 2 of the scenairos already anyway (then again, who knows...the anime is going hella slow)
hollow wouldn't be a bad idea for an OVA, if they were to show it in its unique perspective. Although I'm not sure people will be happy with the lack of girls.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-17, 17:37
I see Sakura at the end of the preview for Ep12.
Does that mean we are getting the Sakura and Rider connection. Maybe see a glimpse of Dark Sakura poping Shinji's head like a ballon :D
I see Sakura at the end of the preview for Ep12.
Does that mean we are getting the Sakura and Rider connection. Maybe see a glimpse of Dark Sakura poping Shinji's head like a ballon :D
From the look in her face, i can see some Sakura & Rider talk..
tragicsmile
2006-03-17, 20:23
Or Sakura watches Saber and Rider's fight from the window and sees
Rider's death via Saber's Excalibur. Come on, how hard is it to spot a huge-ass beam of light in the sky. >_>
Maybe a little bit of talk before the fight?
Rider's death via Saber's Excalibur. Come on, how hard is it to spot a huge-ass beam of light in the sky. >_>
Depends who's looking. ^^;
demon_god04
2006-03-17, 20:53
Depends who's looking. ^^;
ok so heres the question, your at home, its the middle of the night and you cant sleep. You look out the window of your house to take in the night scenery and suddenly you see a huge beam of light shoot off into the sky. What is the first thought that would pop into your head?:heh:
monstert
2006-03-17, 20:54
ok so heres the question, your at home, its the middle of the night and you cant sleep. You look out the window of your house to take in the night scenery and suddenly you see a huge beam of light shoot off into the sky. What is the first thought that would pop into your head?:heh: 1. The world is ending
2. Aliens are attacking
ok so heres the question, your at home, its the middle of the night and you cant sleep. You look out the window of your house to take in the night scenery and suddenly you see a huge beam of light shoot off into the sky. What is the first thought that would pop into your head?:heh:
I'd be thinking... Excalibur!
Max Demian
2006-03-17, 21:08
A plausible way to do things would be for Archer to kill Beserker with UBW and then defect to Caster's side. A couple of episodes spent fighting Caster and then Shirou fighting and killing Archer.
After this they could devote the last arc to dark Sakura ( perhaps wanting revenge for Rider of something as I'm pretty sure she's going to die ) and also introduce Kotomine and Gilgamesh helping. Lancer could die during this part by Gilgy or something. Then have Sakura kidnap Ilya and a final battle between Saber and Gilgamesh, Koto and Shirou, and Rin and Sakura. Ilya doesn't need to sacrafice herself and Saber could destroy the Grail. Proceed with fate ending and done.
Doubtful they'll do this but it seems the best way to get all the parts in.
tragicsmile
2006-03-17, 21:10
I'd be thinking... Excalibur!
I would pass it off as Tokyo being destroyed yet again. :D
demon_god04
2006-03-17, 21:14
I suppose that it DOES pale in comparison to the frequent godzilla attacks and giant robot rampages that seem to plague Japan....:heh:
Damn.. just what i was thinking demon_god - let me guess, i'm not the only one that thinks Godzilla would make a pretty nifty servant. ^^;
demon_god04
2006-03-17, 22:42
If a giant fire( or was it energy?) breathing lizard impervious to fireworks and all manner of conventional and none conventional weaponry and can crush cardboard replicas of any Japanese city and scenery doesnt scream power then I dont know what does:D :heh: althought at that point I think they wouldnt even try to keep the war a secret anymore:heh:
Okay.. the speculation of Godzilla being a servant is out the window.. >_>
damn.... you guys making a hell out of offtopic discussion -_-
Please continue :heh:
Indeed it make be offtopic - but just imagine if Godzilla really was a servant! =O
^ Berserker would be viewed as a more cuter servant?
=3
:heh:
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-18, 02:24
nah, if I want to summon a Berserker I would summon Xena, the Warrior Princess. When she in PMS mode, she is pretty much unbeatable.
Okay.. the speculation of Godzilla being a servant is out the window.. >_>
I seem to recall that the spirits who become Servants are "heroic spirits". This rules out Godzilla because Godzilla isn't a hero, he's a monster. I would also assume that Servant spirits are limited to humanoids.
I seem to recall that the spirits who become Servants are "heroic spirits". This rules out Godzilla because Godzilla isn't a hero, he's a monster. I would also assume that Servant spirits are limited to humanoids.
Godzilla may be a monster, but you're forgetting he was a hero who saved Japan a few times.. and destroyed it a hell of a lot more. ^^;
Godzilla may be a monster, but you're forgetting he was a hero who saved Japan a few times.. and destroyed it a hell of a lot more. ^^;
:topicoff: With all these things, no wonder one of the stated Anime Laws of Physics is that all things are combustible. And as an additional point, Tokyo is the most combustible city in the entire world.
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 10:14
^ Berserker would be viewed as a more cuter servant?
=3
:heh:
hey hey are you implying that Godzilla isnt cute? :p hes adorable if you get past the whole giant city crushing lizard thing:D :heh:
I seem to recall that the spirits who become Servants are "heroic spirits". This rules out Godzilla because Godzilla isn't a hero, he's a monster. I would also assume that Servant spirits are limited to humanoids.
What Angelsama said :p Godzilla saved Japan from other maurading mosters! hes a hero to the kids and an entire nation of giant rubber monster fans! Dont discriminate just because hes differant :p :heh:
edit - ok so quick question, what class of servant would Godzilla be classed under? besides the obvious Berserker -.-.... could he be an Archer because of his fire/energy or whatever it is he breaths, projectiles?
ok so quick question, what class of servant would Godzilla be classed under? besides the obvious Berserker -.-.... could he be an Archer because of his fire/energy or whatever it is he breaths, projectiles?
I really don't think this is the right topic to ask.. ah well, we've gone this far.
I say you're right about the Archer class thing, its hard to explain, but looking at Archer & his attitude.. i can just see Godzilla. ^^;
Village Idiot
2006-03-18, 16:17
I believe we can all agree that the "Godzilla Drop Kick" will be his Noble Phantasm?
I believe we can all agree that the "Godzilla Drop Kick" will be his Noble Phantasm?
Hmm, i thought his fire breath would be his NB.. but he does that nearly all the time, and the 'Drop Kick' only appeared in two movies.. i think. ^^;
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 17:15
I have only seen the 'Godzilla dropkick' once, but I havent seen all the Godzilla movies:heh: His fire breath is his trademark attack! his spikes on his back starts to spark then he shoots fire, from what I recall, thats a wayyy more impressive attack:D go Archer Godzilla!!:D :p
an idea just hit me.... what about the operators for Mecha Godzilla summoned as Rider... and his noble phantasim is Mecha Godzilla!!!:heh:
ok sorry I'll refrain from anymore thread derailing from now on i promise:eyespin: :heh:
Hmm, Godzilla might just appear between the Saber & Rider fight on the buil.. ok i'll stop now. ^^;;
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 17:34
Hmm, Godzilla might just appear between the Saber & Rider fight on the buil.. ok i'll stop now. ^^;;
And then Rider will summon Mecha Godzilla!!! then they will rampage in downtown Fuyuki city an...... wait I'll stop now too this time I really promise....:heh: Mecha Godzilla banzai!!! ok im done... really:heh:
Just admit it, me & you should join up for some Godzilla meets F/SN Doujinshi... now thats great speculation. ^^;
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 18:06
Just admit it, me & you should join up for some Godzilla meets F/SN Doujinshi... now thats great speculation. ^^;
Why not the world needs more Godzilla and Mecha Godzilla goodness!:D :heh:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9706/untitledcopy5zj.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3764/mechagd2copy9rw.jpg
:heh:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9706/untitledcopy5zj.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3764/mechagd2copy9rw.jpg
That looks about right, hopefully i'll have some kind of Godzilla dream now.. how i miss Mothra.
Anyway.. back to F/SN.
Now that we've seen Sakura looking up at the sky.. which doesn't mean she's watching the fight, but for it to be in the preview must been something - maybe we shall get the Sakura & Rider parts we've wanted in the anime.
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 18:19
Now that we've seen Sakura looking up at the sky.. which doesn't mean she's watching the fight, but for it to be in the preview must been something - maybe we shall get the Sakura & Rider parts we've wanted in the anime.
It does look like shes thinking about something from the preview, maybe we will find out somethings via flashbacks? like Sakura's flashback happening in tandem with the right on the rooftop and ends when Sabers ownstick hits Rider... or something. Or Sakura could just be thinking that too many women are honing in on her turf...:heh: I AM hoping that Sakura is going to get to pop Shinji's head though.... But again I dont see Rider surviving for any HF unfortunately -.-
I AM hoping that Sakura is going to get to pop Shinji's head though.... But again I dont see Rider surviving for any HF unfortunately -.-
Well Shinji's gonna go someway.. and Sakura poping sounds like the best way to go~!
I'm hoping Sakura's at least thinking about Rider in some way to do with the story.. i hate that she's been left out of the main story. ;_;
Captain_Dope
2006-03-18, 19:19
We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.
But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold :love: Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.
To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.
Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy. This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.
demon_god04
2006-03-18, 19:57
We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.
But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold :love: Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.
To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.
Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy. This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.
Well the thing is the game has 3 differant scenarios If they want to include everything then no a single season is not going to be enough, not to mention that it would screw with the consistency of the storylines. As for Riders part, I really doubt they will have her survive what is to come, the Rider and Saber fight just won't have the impact if Rider does survive. Not to mention that in so far all the fights have been touch and go affairs, with no resolution, if another fight ends with the servants surviving then the war will lose its tension. Its a war, theres going to be casualties even if they are characters we like. They HAVE been alluding to Sakura and Rider somewhat but the big question is can they fit it in in the time that is alotted?
And there is no magical reset button in Fate/stay night im afraid, its just not that kind of story. Your decisions and actions have consequences and one must learn to live or die by them.
I believe that someone posted some info awhile back saying the series was going to run for 26 eps? somewhere around there. I actually dont want them to continue on for more then that since it would seem like they would just be watering down the plot and milking it for money, and I dont see Fate/stay night to be one of those series where they just dont know when to end *cough*dbz*cough* I would rather they animate each scenario separately in one form or another rather then it turning into one long anime.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-18, 23:26
Then the writers of F/SN anime must be prepared to kill characters. Not succumbing to fanboy pleading. The story is constructed in such a way that death is important plot push in story.
I don't think Sakura's role will get anymore significant in this anime. Maybe they will do OVA based on HF to get more money and to maintain the intregity of the story.
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-03-19, 02:11
it seems like Sakura wont have a big impact in the story UNLESS this anime is 24+(in episodes that is) but no..is not. perhaps there might even be a 2nd season OR OVA that involves the 4 day of Hollow Ataraxia, now that would be interesting eh.
OR OVA that involves the 4 day of Hollow Ataraxia, now that would be interesting eh.
That would be a pretty fun idea & i can imagine the funky music they'd use.. but - i can't see it happening. ;_;
Captain_Dope
2006-03-19, 10:00
Servants are obliged to serve their masters but they don't like when the masters are weak. It seems Rider does not like Shinji because he is a weak coward and only treats her as a mere slave. It's much different between Saber and Shirou because they have actually become friends and companions. That's why I think it's possible that there will be Rider x Sakura because Sakura is a a more caring person than Shinji. She would treat Rider with respect and Sakura can probably fight much better than Shinji if she wants to. I guess with Sakura, Rider can become stronger.
And about Rider's possible death within the next 2 episdoes. In my previous post I said it's too early to kill Rider because the anime creators have not mentioned any info or her background. For those that don't know anything about the game, they very likely have no idea what Rider's noble phantasm is. They only saw a pair of wings in episode 11. So that means the anime creators have 2 episodes to explain what Rider is and show the true form of her noble phantasm. But if they don't, it means they are either lazy and simply decide to kill Rider and move on, or they are saving her good parts for later.
And about Rider's possible death within the next 2 episdoes. In my previous post I said it's too early to kill Rider because the anime creators have not mentioned any info or her background. For those that don't know anything about the game, they very likely have no idea what Rider's noble phantasm is. They only saw a pair of wings in episode 11. So that means the anime creators have 2 episodes to explain what Rider is and show the true form of her noble phantasm. But if they don't, it means they are either lazy and simply decide to kill Rider and move on, or they are saving her good parts for later.
They could easily talk about Rider's past even after her death, with the aid of Sakura.. and that could lead to more Sakura goodness as far as the anime goes.
Village Idiot
2006-03-19, 10:21
Maybe Sakura unconciously Command Seals Rider away at the last possible moment?
She is Rider's true Master after all.
Captain_Dope
2006-03-19, 10:30
Maybe Sakura is the true master of Rider, and Shinji somehow took control of her? I guess we will find out in the next 2 episodes what Rider's fate will be. I don't want her to die :( at least not yet. She can't be the first servant to die
According to this site http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1811,jcnygv,fate_stay_night.html
The series will be 24 episodes long. That should mean that there will be a second season because I doubt they can finish it with the remaining 13 episodes. As it stands now, all 7 masters and servants are alive and there are still many unanswered questions. We haven't seen Lancer for a long time and don't know who his master is. We also don't know so much about Caster and Assassin either.
demon_god04
2006-03-19, 12:37
Its doubtful they will have another season of Fate/stay night, you mention how they might not manage to finish the series in the remaining 24 eps and at the same time say its still too earily for Rider to go the Fate way...:eyebrow:
Unfortunatly Fate/stay night's 3 differant scenarios cant really be merged into one coherrent storyline without it being a jumbled mess so I really doubt they will try to prolong the series. More likely they will fit what they can into the anime but inevitebly they will have to leave things out.....
They can still add in bits of Sakura's backstory but as it stands now shes very much a supporting character, not a main character like Shirou, Rin and Saber. Seems to me the Anime will put more focus on Fate with Shirou's struggle with Archer from UBW thrown in.
In the end I agree with stormy001_M1A2
Then the writers of F/SN anime must be prepared to kill characters. Not succumbing to fanboy pleading. The story is constructed in such a way that death is important plot push in story.
I don't think Sakura's role will get anymore significant in this anime. Maybe they will do OVA based on HF to get more money and to maintain the intregity of the story.
Moon Eclipse
2006-03-19, 13:00
We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.
But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold :love: Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.
To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.
Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy. This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.
Personally given the rate of development, I think The Rider x Sakura ark is going to come pretty soon. Shirou's almost at his breaking point (his strangling and threatening Shinji's life as an example of that) but he's not quite there yet. Everything's been pushing him to give up his "Hero" ideals and face reality. I think Saruka will embody the final choice for him... She'll be the one he feels he has to surrender his life to save.
As for Shinji? I hope his head does pop off...
Its doubtful they will have another season of Fate/stay night, you mention how they might not manage to finish the series in the remaining 24 eps and at the same time say its still too earily for Rider to go the Fate way...:eyebrow:
Unfortunatly Fate/stay night's 3 differant scenarios cant really be merged into one coherrent storyline without it being a jumbled mess so I really doubt they will try to prolong the series. More likely they will fit what they can into the anime but inevitebly they will have to leave things out.....
They can still add in bits of Sakura's backstory but as it stands now shes very much a supporting character, not a main character like Shirou, Rin and Saber. Seems to me the Anime will put more focus on Fate with Shirou's struggle with Archer from UBW thrown in.
In the end I agree with stormy001_M1A2
Through it's true there can't be a full melding, there's already signs of particle melding of the storylines. I think they've modified each to be able to input parts they felt make each story great. Of course out of the three we all know which they used to the main plot and theme
Xellos-_^
2006-03-24, 13:37
So how does Rider "death" look and did
Sakura do anything strange
MakubeX2
2006-03-24, 18:45
So how does Rider "death" look and did
Sakura do anything strange
Rider's dead. Accept it.
And from the apperance of Ilya and Berserker in Ep 12. We can safely assume that
Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.
Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.
I had a feeling that they wouldn't have Sakura killing Shinji in the anime, seems a lil' bit to extra for the anime - would have been good though.
tragicsmile
2006-03-24, 19:36
Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.
Sad but likely. I fear that Sakura might be thrust further and further into the background and turned into the cliché annoying childhood friend-slave.
edit: Xellos, it's mantra. ;p
Xellos-_^
2006-03-24, 19:42
I am still not a 100% convince that Rider is completely gone.
Shinji had his command sutra in a book. Why is that? Both Rin and Shirou had thiers on the back of their hands. So why is Shinji's command sutra in book :eyebrow: What is so special about Rider and Shinji that Shinji's command sutra is not where everyone elses are. Now it doesn't mean anything right now since we only see 3 masters, four counting caster. But if a few more masters show up and thier command sutra are also on the back of thier hands then we got something here.
I am still not a 100% convince that Rider is completely gone.
Shinji had his command sutra in a book. Why is that? Both Rin and Shirou had thiers on the back of their hands. So why is Shinji's command sutra in book :eyebrow: What is so special about Rider and Shinji that Shinji's command sutra is not where everyone elses are. Now it doesn't mean anything right now since we only see 3 masters, four counting caster. But if a few more masters show up and thier command sutra are also on the back of thier hands then we got something here.
If we take the Heavens Feel definitions, that's because it's not a command seal (what I call it), and Shinji isn't really a master.
The shapes and locations of command seals differ from people to people, some have it on their hands, others have it on other parts of their body, but it's on them.
Shinji's book, "Book of False Minister", was a "command mechanism" that allowed him to control Rider, and like I mentioned in Episode 12's thread, the fact that it burned only means that "Rider was pushed too far and burned out", and doesn't necessarily mean she's dead. Shinji actually burned through 2 of these books in Heavens Feel, and Rider still managed to live in the end.
Now, the scene of Rin looking up at Sakura's room's window sadly, Sakura looking out the window (most likely) at the end of the battle between Saber and Rider, and saying something, all suggests Sakura is somehow involved in all this. In other words, Heavens Feel contents.
I do agree that Rider is probably gone for now, and according to the episode previews, they'll be moving on the the Ilya/Berserker battle next, which should feature Archer's Unlimited Blade Works. For there on, there's no telling what they'll do. It seems almost impossible to work in anything from Heavens Feel at this point, but the hints still suggest they'll get Sakura involved one way or another.
After the Berserker battle, it should be Caster/Assassin/"Caster's Master"'s "arc" next, I think if HF contents is to come in at some point, it'll have to be there (since, technically, the Heavens Feel-y stuff all began in the Ryudo Temple).
The way I see it, Sakura could have said two possible things. One of them being the "Goodbye, I'll miss you" kind of deal. Kind of what everyone would expect. The other of the two possible things were her using her Command Mantra to force Rider to dissappear.
I don't know why, but as the night goes on I've been leaning towards the latter rather then my initial impression of the former. Could just be wishful thinking.
The way I see it, Sakura could have said two possible things. One of them being the "Goodbye, I'll miss you" kind of deal. Kind of what everyone would expect. The other of the two possible things were her using her Command Mantra to force Rider to dissappear.
The way i see it, i think you're right there - its probably one of them two.. of course i'm hoping its more along the lines of the second one. Who knows when we'll find out what Sakura really said, maybe it'll come out when she's talking to Rin.. maybe.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-24, 22:12
Sigh, why people cannot let go of Rider? The War will be meaningless without her death,
Sigh, why people cannot let go of Rider? The War will be meaningless without her death,
I really think you don't understand it all, its not like people want her to not die - its just the fact that she could go to a future plot that many people wouldn't mind seeing.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-24, 22:22
Then Saber's pain will be all for nothing.
But I can see why people wanted her too, since elements of HF is yet to be told.
But it is my personal preference to see Rider die so the story can move to next stage.
Then Saber's pain will be all for nothing.
I don't wanna think about it.. ;_;
justinstrife
2006-03-24, 23:47
I'm leaning towards the second option.
That Sakura summoned Rider away just before she truely did die. There's still much left to be done.
Oh ya and Stormy, there's PLENTY of episodes left for people to start dying. We could have a real bloodbath the last 12 episodes.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-24, 23:52
No, Vahalla like bloodbath ala Evangelion is not my liking.
I prefer meaningful deaths in destined and justified fights, not all out kill-em-all Tomino style deaths of Gundam fame.
Sakura and Rider role ends here. No more meaningful story can be told about them in this juncture.
demon_god04
2006-03-24, 23:58
*has Mai Hime flashbacks* but meh it just kinda cheapens the battle to me, not to mention that if they do bring Rider back they are gonna be dipping into thier pool of eps they have left -.- Has the exact number of eps been confirmed? just curious. also....
im guessing that if they do plan on bringing back Rider for a bit of HF story with Sakura they would be keeping Shinji alive. so we will know fairly soon, if Shinji gets the loli oversized servant treatment then its safe to say that the chances of Rider reappearing would be very very slim:heh:
tragicsmile
2006-03-25, 01:47
So, do they plan on editing out the destruction of the mask in the DVD release? :p She's the woman who makes the impossible possible!
Captain_Dope
2006-03-25, 06:18
Well it looks like Rider died...If that's true then I won't bothering following the anime anymore. Rider was the only reason I was watching. But there is definately something going on with Sakura and it is probably linked with Rider. I will watch the anime again if Rider returns somehow.
Sakura and Rider role ends here. No more meaningful story can be told about them in this juncture.
And Sakura's role didn't even start?
The whole Rider arc has finished now, but Sakura at the window just changes my opinion.. maybe something lil' on the way.
Well it looks like Rider died...If that's true then I won't bothering following the anime anymore. Rider was the only reason I was watching. But there is definately something going on with Sakura and it is probably linked with Rider. I will watch the anime again if Rider returns somehow.
Sorry to say, but thats a bit stupid.
MakubeX2
2006-03-25, 06:52
Well it looks like Rider died...If that's true then I won't bothering following the anime anymore. Rider was the only reason I was watching. But there is definately something going on with Sakura and it is probably linked with Rider. I will watch the anime again if Rider returns somehow.
Watching a series for one single supporting character ? Pretty much meaningless to say the least.
From what I've noticed, 2 ep or so will be devoted to each arc of fate. We have 2 ep devoted to Rider which is over now, 2-3 more will be devoted to Ilya/Berserker.2 more for Caster, 2-3 more for Gilgamesh, which leaves 4-5 or so more Ep slots empty. Lots for HF.
The way I see, For HF Sakura to work into the anime without Rider's possible.
They can set the following up for Ankoku Sakura's Entree.
1. Adopted into the Matou family from Tohsaka, formerly the Makiri as their powers had died out by the time of Shinji.
2.Suffered abuse at the hands of the other members of the Matou.
3. Used as a tool to summon out Rider and Master-ship of her was given to Shinji via the book as Sakura's not the eldest nor a true member of Matou.
4. After Rider's defeat. The Matou, desperate for winning, made a false vessel for the Grail out of Sakura. Enter Ankoku Sakura. Eager for revenge, she went berserk.
HF has no trouble happening at all when its put like how MakubeX2 (Orochi) has put it.. still i hope we get to see some UBW with Archer.
And i really hope they don't miss out the whole Archer/Shirou talk & fight.. its really to good to miss
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-25, 07:34
Orochi, interesting ideas.
I guess Sakura's role is still possible. Definitely not Rider though.
UBW is totally a badass story, it would be interesting to see how the animators try to combine it seamlessly.
UBW is totally a badass story, it would be interesting to see how the animators try to combine it seamlessly.
Well they've already had Archer & Shirou talks in the anime that can lead to UBW.. it happening though is a whole different story.
demon_god04
2006-03-25, 09:12
Its been said before but i ll say it again, UBW is just too good not to include. Not to mention that with the focus on the anime on Shirou's hero of justice thing, his conflict with Archer seems like the next step of his developing character. Not saying they wouldnt just skip it and go HF or something but to me it seems the more likely arc to happen.
@Captain_Dope
Wow, so ignoring the tragic epic tales of heroes, you'd quit watching because your favourite character died -.- despite the fact that she was a minor character to begin with. Crazy as it sounds but fan service is really a very minor part of Fate/stay night:p to each his own though:heh:
MakubeX2
2006-03-25, 09:25
Most likely they will work in UBW during the Caster to Gilgamesh arc.
Then send everything falling down in HF with
Denying everything that Shirou had believe in. Killing Archer and corrupting Saber in the process. Then having Saber dying at the hands of Shirou.
That said, a tragedy is what makes a film memorable.
If the anime does end like that, then that'll be one hell of a epic ending as well as one that'll make me cry like a baby. ^^;
Sigh, why people cannot let go of Rider? The War will be meaningless without her death,
Get off it. There are plenty of ways to still have a completely awesome story if she's still in it. In fact, there's been so many hints about Rider that not doing anything with her would be almost as bad as bringing her back. Just because something doesn't fit your narrow perception of what the series should be doesn't mean that everything else is bad :rolleyes:
While it is possible that Sakura may still star in Heaven's Feel without Rider, then why not let us hear what Sakura's words were? The only reason I can think of is to prevent people from figuring out a connection between Rider and Sakura. There's no point to this connection if Rider's dead.
tragicsmile
2006-03-25, 10:08
Most likely they will work in UBW during the Caster to Gilgamesh arc.
Then send everything falling down in HF with
Denying everything that Shirou had believe in. Killing Archer and corrupting Saber in the process. Then having Saber dying at the hands of Shirou.
That said, a tragedy is what makes a film memorable.
I agree that it would be the best and most memorable way to finish this series - especially if they go with the ending where Shirou dies to destroy the Grand Holy Grail. Of course, it eliminates all chances of a chronologically succeding sequel/second season, but it's the best way to still validate his dream of heroism in my opinion. .
The Fate ending is just too bland for me; I really haven't heard much of the UBW ending to make a judgement about it.
Shirou dies to destroy the Grand Holy Grail. Of course, it eliminates all chances of a chronologically succeding sequel/second season, but it's the best way to still validate his dream of heroism in my opinion.
If the anime did end in that way, then i believe it wouldn't need a second season, we'd have the ending that would be perfect.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-25, 16:47
Get off it. There are plenty of ways to still have a completely awesome story if she's still in it. In fact, there's been so many hints about Rider that not doing anything with her would be almost as bad as bringing her back. Just because something doesn't fit your narrow perception of what the series should be doesn't mean that everything else is bad :rolleyes:
While it is possible that Sakura may still star in Heaven's Feel without Rider, then why not let us hear what Sakura's words were? The only reason I can think of is to prevent people from figuring out a connection between Rider and Sakura. There's no point to this connection if Rider's dead.
I am a purist in a way, and original story is quite good that I loathe to see it screw up like Tsukihime. Simple.
Captain_Dope
2006-03-26, 08:57
A small question. Was it ever explained what Rider was doing at the place where Caster was? (I forgot the name of it) Or was it just a scene to introduce Caster and show a bit of her and Rider's fighting capabilities?
A small question. Was it ever explained what Rider was doing at the place where Caster was?
Its pretty easy to understand, Shinji told Shirou about the dojo so Saber would attack Assassin, that leaving it open for Rider to appear inside, and attack - maybe just to scout out who really was up there.
Village Idiot
2006-03-26, 13:59
Basically so that the Master of the Dojo would send out their Servant to stop Shirou/Saber, while Rider sneaks in and kills the Master.
They just didn't expect that there are two Servants at the Dojo.
Captain_Dope
2006-03-26, 21:03
I have read detailed guides of all 3 different scenarios and the anime is clearly following the first scenario: Fate. Everything the anime has showed and happened so far is what exactly happens in the first scenario.
So to explain a few things about the first one.
Rider is not coming back. Sorry to all her fans but Rider is dead. Sakura was her true master but she did not want to get involved in the war so she let her brother Shinji take over. That is why Shinji was not so strong because he never was a real master and his weakness probably affected Rider's strength as well. She disliked him but she was following Sakura's orders to let Shinji control her. When you saw Sakura in the end of episode 12 she was saying good bye to Rider.
Buuuuut! Rest asure! I am 100% sure that there will be 2 more anime seasons that will show the remaining 2 scenarios. Rider is in both of them. In the second she does not have any big part. But she and Sakura have major roles in the third scenario. Rider is much stronger there and we learn a lot more about her and her past.
Basically so that the Master of the Dojo would send out their Servant to stop Shirou/Saber, while Rider sneaks in and kills the Master.
They just didn't expect that there are two Servants at the Dojo.
I love how what we both said was the same.. put you put it in a more understanding way. ^^;
Xellos-_^
2006-03-26, 21:27
Possiblity of Rider coming back:
If they decide to do the HF sakura then I think the possibility of Rider returning is very high. Reason becuase Rider makes a excellent plot device to explain Sakura's motivation and backstory to the other characters and the viewers. Somebody have tell shirou why she is turning evil so he will decide to save her instead trying to kill her. And who better to take on this then Rider.
Possiblity of Rider coming back:
If they decide to do the HF sakura then I think the possibility of Rider returning is very high. Reason becuase Rider makes a excellent plot device to explain Sakura's motivation and backstory to the other characters and the viewers. Somebody have tell shirou why she is turning evil so he will decide to save her instead trying to kill her. And who better to take on this then Rider.
You gotta think that we're 13 episodes in, we still have the Ilya arc, Caster arc'.. maybe if they do a bit of UBW and then bits of the ending - and what you've just said would be around 3 episodes, even though most of what you said wouldn't be needed - and i'm not to sure where abouts they'd go in the future episodes.
Still, they really can't leave the Sakura & Rin scene from the end of episode 13 alone - and that'll be interesting to see what they use.
tragicsmile
2006-03-26, 21:38
Possiblity of Rider coming back:
If they decide to do the HF sakura then I think the possibility of Rider returning is very high. Reason becuase Rider makes a excellent plot device to explain Sakura's motivation and backstory to the other characters and the viewers. Somebody have tell shirou why she is turning evil so he will decide to save her instead trying to kill her. And who better to take on this then Rider.
Nope; Rin can explain this just as well. Also, I don't believe that Shirou will need an explanation like that to try and save her - it's what a hero is supposed to do when their loved ones go astray.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-26, 21:54
That could happen, but then you gotta think that we're 13 episodes in, we still have the Ilya arc, Caster arc'.. maybe if they do a bit of UBW and then bits of the ending - and what you've just said would be around 3 episodes - and i'm not to sure where abouts they'd go in the future episodes.
Still, they really can't leave the Sakura & Rin scene from the end of episode 13 alone - and that'll be interesting to see what they use.
12 episode in not 13.
here is what i think will happen if the included the HF stuff.
13-14 Loli/Berserker, Sabre and Rin will atempt to rescue Shirou form the loli. Sabre and archer wil fight hercs but since Sabre is weak they are both starting to lose when "Shadow" pops up and pops Hercs and attempts to kill Rin, Sabre and the loli as well. however Shrou and co was able to escape and even able to add to his harem collection witha loli.
15-17 While attempting to find out who the "Shadow" is the found out that Caster has been draing people And they attempt to stop her.
18-20 Kirei, Gil abd lance steps into the lime in these few eps. And we also get archer's story form UBL.
21-24 Shadow is reveal, Shinji gets his head pop and riders return in the nick of time to rsce Shirou and co. Shadow kidnappes the loli for the holy grail and Rider reveals all to shirou (hopfully not just sakura's story is all she reveal :naughty:). Then we get the argument about killing sakura or trying to save and rest etc etc etc.
12 ep is more then enough to finish with a HF ending and give everyone tiem for thier backstory.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-26, 21:57
Nope; Rin can explain this just as well. Also, I don't believe that Shirou will need an explanation like that to try and save her - it's what a hero is supposed to do when their loved ones go astray.
Rin can't explain why Sakura is living with the Mattou but not her motivations and her feelings or what has happen to Sakura since she was adopted by the mattous.
tragicsmile
2006-03-26, 22:14
Rin can't explain why Sakura is living with the Mattou but not her motivations and her feelings or what has happen to Sakura since she was adopted by the mattous.
I don't believe she needs to. Obviously it needs to be revealed to the viewer, but not to Shirou - he seems the type of person to fight for the people he loves no matter the cause.
12 episode in not 13.
Some of us basically know whats going to happen in episode 13, so - 13 episodes in.
demon_god04
2006-03-28, 13:50
12 episode in not 13.
here is what i think will happen if the included the HF stuff.
13-14 Loli/Berserker, Sabre and Rin will atempt to rescue Shirou form the loli. Sabre and archer wil fight hercs but since Sabre is weak they are both starting to lose when "Shadow" pops up and pops Hercs and attempts to kill Rin, Sabre and the loli as well. however Shrou and co was able to escape and even able to add to his harem collection witha loli.
15-17 While attempting to find out who the "Shadow" is the found out that Caster has been draing people And they attempt to stop her.
18-20 Kirei, Gil abd lance steps into the lime in these few eps. And we also get archer's story form UBL.
21-24 Shadow is reveal, Shinji gets his head pop and riders return in the nick of time to rsce Shirou and co. Shadow kidnappes the loli for the holy grail and Rider reveals all to shirou (hopfully not just sakura's story is all she reveal :naughty:). Then we get the argument about killing sakura or trying to save and rest etc etc etc.
12 ep is more then enough to finish with a HF ending and give everyone tiem for thier backstory.
theres a problem with that prediction, I believe the magazine previews that someone posted awhile back listed ep 15's title as Unlimited Blade Words.
-edit- bleh its ep 14 my brain is all like messed up :heh: but still what made each of the scenarios great was the events that lead to the end and how they were paced, the scenario you proposed still seems a bit too congested and abit forced -.-
Xellos-_^
2006-03-28, 14:52
theres a problem with that prediction, I believe the magazine previews that someone posted awhile back listed ep 15's title as Unlimited Blade Words.
-edit- bleh its ep 14 my brain is all like messed up :heh: but still what made each of the scenarios great was the events that lead to the end and how they were paced, the scenario you proposed still seems a bit too congested and abit forced -.-
I didn't think my example was how they would di either but it was to show that as long as they don't do more filler eps, 12 eps is enough to do fate/ubw/hf elements for a ending.
demon_god04
2006-03-28, 15:11
It depends how they go about it I supposed but its just forcing too many differant plot elements together and attempting to hammer them into place as a coherant plot. Atleast thats what it seems to me, not that I mind a HF end but we are talking about a game where each of the 3 scenarios could make up a full season in anime form, then taking it and compressing it in to an arc's worth of eps.
But in the end its up to the writers on how they want to present it, as long as they do a good job I wont complain.
ordnance11
2006-03-28, 17:37
The problem with a HF scenario in episodes 13-24 is that it discards totally the relationship between Shiro and Saber. And the story so far is consistent with the Fate scenario. It could happen, but I for one am not gonna be happy when that happens.
Xellos-_^
2006-03-28, 17:40
The problem with a HF scenario in episodes 13-24 is that it discards totally the relationship between Shiro and Saber. And the story so far is consistent with the Fate scenario. It could happen, but I for one am not gonna be happy when that happens.
It doesn't have to be a pure HF ending. They can still keep ShirouXSabre relationship while having a HF varient showdown ending.
demon_god04
2006-03-29, 02:27
True... but I dont think that the choices the characters made and the changes would not be as dramatic without the proper buildupn not to mention that certain characters were very differant in HF then what they are shown now. They might not have enough time to make the shifts in their personalities believable in the time they have left. I'd rather they not include something then try to cramp it in just for the sake of having it.
Plus there was a reason why there were 3 scenarios and how the focus were in differant characters and thier story, too many characters take away from the focus of the main characters and splits the plot into too many directions that often dont get resolved.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-03-29, 06:48
It doesn't have to be a pure HF ending. They can still keep ShirouXSabre relationship while having a HF varient showdown ending.
Nah, I don't think it will work. Saber has to be evil version.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-03, 12:34
I was hoping Dark Sakura would pop Shinji's whinny little head. He had to go and get splat by beserker.
Here is hoping for Dark Sakura.
Imo now, there's not enough time for Dark Sakura. Maybe that'll happen within a stand alone story telling, like a OAV..
Imo now, there's not enough time for Dark Sakura. Maybe that'll happen within a stand alone story telling, like a OAV..
Bah! I wish it was the Heaven's Feel Scenario. There's so much more material in it. The Fate Scenario is just so weak. I can't believe they chose the worst one for this TV series.
demon_god04
2006-04-10, 01:17
While the Fate scenario certainly lacked the punch of the other two I personally still enjoyed it. They could just be going with the scenario of the most popular character or they might have something in the works to cover the other 2 scenarios.
While the Fate scenario certainly lacked the punch of the other two I personally still enjoyed it. They could just be going with the scenario of the most popular character or they might have something in the works to cover the other 2 scenarios.
It's true that Saber is a lot more popular. Though with only 10 episodes left, I really doubt they are going to do something with the other scenarios us less they plan on making it three seasons long.
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-10, 02:06
I just want to see Shirou's version of UBW animated and I'll be happy.
Wandering_Youth
2006-04-10, 06:10
I started reading all the post in the this thread and was totally lost in the discussion because I never played the game so I decided to try and find summaries for these scenarios you all mention. I was able to find a pretty detail summary for the scenarios and Wikkipedia.
After reading through the summaries for Heaven's Feel, Fate and UBW, I find that every scenario ends pretty tragically. :( This is not how I imagine Fate/Stay Night to be when I first heard of it. Man, I am totally surprised!
Heaven's Feel does seem to more in depth on the Fate/Stay Night world and it does involve more of the characters than all the other scenarios, but imo it seems the most tragic scenario.
The Fate scenario is another tragic one but not that tragic when compared with Heaven's Feel. After reading this scenario I don't really like it because not a lot of individual character development is happening from the summary description.
UMW seems like the less tragic one of the two and I kind of like because it revolves around Shirou and Archer more. But since it focuses more on Shirou and Archer, I guess it'll not talk about all the other characters much.
Anyways, since this is the anime version of Fate/Stay Night, the directors will probably make it a happy ending, however I hope it's a bittersweet ending. I'm not fond of tragic or happy endings.
tragicsmile
2006-04-10, 06:50
:mad: Tragic endings are the best endings.
In Tsukihime, the ending was tragic, as it was supposed to be...
But maybe they will add some more events to the anime ending. Like you said, a bittersweet ending may be made.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-10, 07:35
My friends, TYPEMOON is famous for bittersweet endings.
Yep, and thats thr way Type-Moon shall always be - hopefully the anime shall keep the same ending.
demon_god04
2006-04-10, 11:21
and how the pegesus was born and why Rider stabs herself in the neck to summon it as well:heh:
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-10, 14:55
because in the greek myth Pegasus was bron fron the blood of the decapited
Medusa
MakubeX2
2006-04-12, 04:36
From Moonphase :-
アニメ誌によると、洋館イベントとバーサーカー戦で凜が捕まる→
士郎がカリバーンを投影→イリヤが仲間に加わって士郎邸へ→
桜が柳洞寺に拉致される→再び柳洞寺でキャスター戦→
そこは血の匂いが溢れていた、という流れになる模様。どうやら、
アニメオリジナル展開で桜の見せ場を用意してるっぽい。
血の匂いというのから、金ピカ、真アサシン、黒桜、
といくつか展開は思いつくけど、はたして…。
This is interesting, things are going for a original turn.
From Moonphase :-
アニメ誌によると、洋館イベントとバーサーカー戦で凜が捕まる→
士郎がカリバーンを投影→イリヤが仲間に加わって士郎邸へ→
桜が柳洞寺に拉致される→再び柳洞寺でキャスター戦→
そこは血の匂いが溢れていた、という流れになる模様。どうやら、
アニメオリジナル展開で桜の見せ場を用意してるっぽい。
血の匂いというのから、金ピカ、真アサシン、黒桜、
といくつか展開は思いつくけど、はたして…。
This is interesting, things are going for a original turn.
There will be much love if they do this. Maybe people will then stop complaining about it being completely Fate :rolleyes:
Xellos-_^
2006-04-12, 15:02
From Moonphase :-
アニメ誌によると、洋館イベントとバーサーカー戦で凜が捕まる→
士郎がカリバーンを投影→イリヤが仲間に加わって士郎邸へ→
桜が柳洞寺に拉致される→再び柳洞寺でキャスター戦→
そこは血の匂いが溢れていた、という流れになる模様。どうやら、
アニメオリジナル展開で桜の見せ場を用意してるっぽい。
血の匂いというのから、金ピカ、真アサシン、黒桜、
といくつか展開は思いつくけど、はたして…。
This is interesting, things are going for a original turn.
it would nice if some will transalte this? :eyebrow: Even a bad trranslation is imo better then none.
I think the basic gist is that...
Sakura will be captured by Caster instead of Fuji-nee as a way to give Sakura more of a part. I don't know whether this hints at HF or not. They're either switching it around to provide screen time for Sakura because they aren't doing HF... or they're giving her screen time to prepare us for HF.
Also something about "a pool of blood". Not sure what's meant by the that, but that's what they're saying at BL. Might want to check there for more in depth information.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-12, 16:52
I think the basic gist is that...
Sakura will be captured by Caster instead of Fuji-nee as a way to give Sakura more of a part. I don't know whether this hints at HF or not. They're either switching it around to provide screen time for Sakura because they aren't doing HF... or they're giving her screen time to prepare us for HF.
Also something about "a pool of blood". Not sure what's meant by the that, but that's what they're saying at BL. Might want to check there for more in depth information.
intresting
If they are preparing for a HF Sakura then I feel really bad for Caster.
I really don't know how they are gonna stick that in. Sure Caster can get some development, especially concerning her Master... but Sakura, I can't see her becoming Darth Vader right now. It'll seem odd to me.
I think they'd better stick to Fate path with some merged elements from UBW and HF perhaps.
Max Demian
2006-04-12, 17:37
I believe in the game the cavern underneath ryudo temple is the place of the 5th holy grail summoning. This may be the " pool of blood " so we may get some darth Sakura, though it's more likely we'll get Kotomine. When's the last time we saw him anyways?
:mad: Tragic endings are the best endings.
Then you should watch [Voices of a Distant Star]
I believe in the game the cavern underneath ryudo temple is the place of the 5th holy grail summoning. This may be the " pool of blood " so we may get some darth Sakura, though it's more likely we'll get Kotomine. When's the last time we saw him anyways?
In episode 3, IIRC
In episode 3, IIRC
Yes, he's only appeared in the anime twice.
Max Demian
2006-04-13, 16:22
Yes, he's only appeared in the anime twice.
That's gonna make it hard for him to appear as a credible villian if we haven't even seen him for over ten episodes. It would be hard to get rid of him as Gil isn't
really evil enough
and darth Sakura really is just revenge driven
That's gonna make it hard for him to appear as a credible villian if we haven't even seen him for over ten episodes.
Naah, he couldn't of appeared at all in the anime, and still make a impact.
I can bet you that when he does appear, some people are not gonna even remember who he is.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-13, 21:30
If Dark Sakura appears, Kotomine will have no role to play. But off course, this is just my opinion.
But with the anime supposed to have a complete different story, i'm sure they'll find a nice lil' role for him.
I just wanna see how Gil-sama will be. Will he be just like in the game or ...?
I just wanna see how Gil-sama will be. Will he be just like in the game or ...?
Or what?
We have no idea, we haven't even seen him in the anime yet.. well apart from the firts episode - but i'm sure he'll be good to the story later on.
MakubeX2
2006-04-14, 16:51
From Newtype :-
17話
サブタイトル未定
バーサーカーとの激しい戦いを終えた士郎たちの日常風景に・・・・・・(略)・・・・・・一方、新都での昏 睡事件はその規模を増し、被害は拡大しつづけていた。原因は柳洞寺に潜むサーヴァント、キャスターだと、告 げるイリヤ。士郎と凜は、一成から聞いたある人物に疑いを抱く。
So, we get UBW Caster. And Caster will re summon Archer based on the new OP ?
Hopefull yeah - but maybe the OP's just got them fighting for the fun of it.. but they really can't just leave it just as a fight used for the OP.
This is getting good! >.<
MakubeX2
2006-04-14, 18:24
If anyone doesn't take what I'm saying seriously....
http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/disc_base.php?oid=598215
The same thing's on the official Newtype Japan page.
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-14, 18:31
me does not talk japanese :P
Reading kanji is a pain in the 4$$ for me so... anyone minds doing a translation?
fict_ticious
2006-04-14, 18:37
I predict:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/fict_ticious/1144954872521.jpg
Minus the Sakura and Rider.
Caster has the upper hand, since she commands Kagura-like powers (Inuyasha) and other servants. There are a ton ofcircumstances where we could get UBW, so I'm not gonna speculate about it, but I do feel strongly about Shirou having to conquer his own image. Metaphorically speaking, it makes sense, but I don't mind him pulling an Ichigo and fighting his inner hollow ;)
Xellos-_^
2006-04-14, 18:44
I predict:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/fict_ticious/1144954872521.jpg
Wheres the loli?
fict_ticious
2006-04-14, 18:48
Wheres the loli?
In the living room with Rin, or possibly with Fujimira-sensei.
... I just had weird thoughts involving what Rin might do to the loli.:upset:
SweetSpring
2006-04-15, 00:00
:topicoff: loli? whats a loli?
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-15, 00:11
loli=Ilya :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon
fict_ticious
2006-04-15, 00:20
It's illegal in my country, btw, so I blur out the Ilya before I watch it.
MakubeX2
2006-04-15, 03:17
17話
魔女の烙印
バーサーカーとの激しい戦いを終えた士郎たちの日常風景に・・・・・・(略)・・・・・・一方 、新都での昏 睡事件はその規模を増し、被害は拡大しつづけていた。原因は柳洞寺に潜むサーヴァント、キャス ターだと、告 げるイリヤ。士郎と凜は、一成から聞いたある人物に疑いを抱く。
Translation :-
Ep 17 The Brand Of The Witch
After the epic battle with Berserker, Shirou spent his days.....(Cut)....But a disease that leave people in a coma has been spreading widely throughout Shindou and cases have been rapidly increasing day by day. The cause, according to Ilya, is the Servant that's residing in Ryudou Temple, Caster. Rin and Shirou have their suspicion regarding a certain man being Rider's master after what they heard from Issen.
Even more future spoiler :-
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5381/11450758775720br.jpg
Makube, you rox!
Btw, can you do a translation with ep.18...? Please ;)
Anyway, thanks a lot!
MakubeX2
2006-04-15, 05:46
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/374/11450758775721hl.jpg
Ep 18 :-
(Yet Untitled)
"Come to your place of worship than." So says Caster and therefore Shirou head for Ryudou Temple. Inside the blood stenched filled place, a structure that resembled an ancient Greek pantheon manifest itself. When Shirou and Rin reached the central of the pantheon where an altar stands, they witness something unimaginable......
So, this is really gonna be merger of the scenarios even though the main plot is Fate path...
Well, those spoilers made my day. I wanted them to avoid sticking striclty to one of the three paths. Seems like my prayers have been heard, we may have a brand new thing, which gives a greater interest to watch the anime.
I do hope the way things will turn out won't be lame... No more Tsukihime-type failures.
"they witness something unimaginable......"
I wonder what that could be.. >_>
MakubeX2
2006-04-15, 06:18
"they witness something unimaginable......"
I wonder what that could be.. >_>
It's either
Sakura being initiated into being the Grail's vessel by Kotomine with Gil and Lancer standing guard and out of the ritual, Yami-Yummy Sakura's born.
Or
Yami-Yummy Sakura's standing with Kotomine, Gil and Lancer.
Well with how Sakura's been treated so far in the series, then i hope you're right.
Well, it seems so hard to believe that she may get in the War when you look at what the directors made of her. I mean, even her voice sounds silly from time to time.
I hope they can do a proper merger because each paths is clearly separate from the others. It can turn out to be a complete mess. But I have hopes.
Does anyone think that they can add an extra "kuu" of 12-13 episodes since the series seems so successful? 'Cause it's gonna be hard to squeeze everything in the 9 episodes to go.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-15, 11:41
Looks like Sakura's role can be inserted here. Let's hope it is not another inner dragon scene thingy.
How Ilya will do now, since her role is usurped by Sakura? Interesting. Or.....Sakura turned evil and Rin has to face her to resolve the issue?
Sooooooooooooo we might get :
1. Shirou vs Kotomine
2. Saber vs Gilgamesh
3. Rin vs Dark Sakura?
Anyone willing to bet on third one?
25 against 75 for the third one if you ask me.
Well, we know we'll get Saber Vs Gil'.. and judging from the talk in episode 03 with Kotomine & Shirou.. then that fights' sure to happen.
& i have a feeling we'll get something to do with Rin & Sakura.. Dark Sakura though, i'm not to sure.
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-04-15, 13:43
Looks like Sakura's role can be inserted here. Let's hope it is not another inner dragon scene thingy.
How Ilya will do now, since her role is usurped by Sakura? Interesting. Or.....Sakura turned evil and Rin has to face her to resolve the issue?
Sooooooooooooo we might get :
1. Shirou vs Kotomine
2. Saber vs Gilgamesh
3. Rin vs Dark Sakura?
Anyone willing to bet on third one?
#1 and #2, yes. but i dont tink D.Sakura will come, will they have the time to plot the events for D.Sakura? if D.Sakura is to come, than Rider has to come back rite?
I wouldn't say Rider is needed, but in one of the previous posts there was a lil' hint to do with Rider returning.. which i really don't think shall happen.
They could fit in Dark Sarkura with the Caster arc'.. and adding even more into that.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-15, 18:14
Dark Sakura can come in without Rider involvement. But the storywriters need to be really good to use her character without make it feel cheap or rushed.
Many great animes tend to falter when they try to use too many characters in the ending arc and rushing their resolution. Let's hope Fate team know what they doing if they gonna use Dark Sakura.
MakubeX2
2006-04-15, 20:16
Think they'll throw in the UBW Rin X Shirou scene to make Shirou ultra uber in order for him to initiate UBW before the final battle ?
Think they'll throw in the UBW Rin X Shirou scene to make Shirou ultra uber in order for him to initiate UBW before the final battle ?
Hmm, with how they went around the threesome scene.. i don't think so. ^^;
Nightengale
2006-04-15, 20:34
They're already pulling all the stops, so why not a Dark Archer?
And whatever they decide to pull, I think the Fate Shirou x Saber ending is somewhat a given. Straightaway after that doing a UBW Rin x Shirou would be like a giant middle finger to the watchers.
justinstrife
2006-04-15, 23:29
They're already pulling all the stops, so why not a Dark Archer?
And whatever they decide to pull, I think the Fate Shirou x Saber ending is somewhat a given. Straightaway after that doing a UBW Rin x Shirou would be like a giant middle finger to the watchers.
Personally I don't want a Fate Shirou x Saber ending, as I had enough of that in Tsukihime(was NOT happy with that ending at all). Type Moon risks turning me off to their anime series' if the only endings they can do, follow the exact same pattern.
Max Demian
2006-04-16, 00:21
The thing that's throwing me is the Archer vs Shirou fight in the opening. Either its just fanservice or thier actually gonna work it in. This leaves another option for the " pool of blood " a revived Archer (as cheap as that is) the opening also basically confirmed Rin and Sakura's connection, so that should be interesting.
Altima of the Gates
2006-04-16, 00:22
Seems to me like its almost anything goes at this point.
So they might not have Saber dissapear at the end, we may get Dark Sakura, we may get a Shirou/Archer confronatation in a dream, who knows? I'm just having fun trying to guess their next move.
Even with all this mights we should get, i think its safe to say that we'll get the Rin & Sakura part of the story, and if they add Dark Sakura to that.. would be very interesting to see animated.
does rider come back?:p
she was :love: :eyespin: :naughty:
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-04-16, 10:41
does rider come back?:p
she was :love: :eyespin: :naughty:
Yes, she can come back, but chances are low....you saw the full blast of Ex-Calibur.....just dont have high hopes for that. Also, if Rider were to come back, probably like....what else? they havent done Caster,Assassin stuff yet and the *special* character in the opening. so yea......
Xellos-_^
2006-04-16, 10:43
Yes, she can come back, but chances are low....you saw the full blast of Ex-Calibur.....just dont have high hopes for that.
And we saw the full blast form Kagutsuchi too, but Mikoto came back as well :eyebrow:
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-04-16, 10:46
And we saw the full blast form Kagutsuchi too, but Mikoto came back as well :eyebrow:
you need to bring back a char for a good reason = = i norder to push the plot. WEll yes, unless u want Rider to come back to help kick caster and assasin's butt. Im just speculating what can or not happen. and this is F/SN, different anime goes with different plots. = =
Captain_Dope
2006-04-16, 11:21
Rider will not show up in this season. The anime is following the Fate scenario. If the anime decides to also show the second and third scenario (which I guess they probably will), you are have to going to wait quite a long time to see Rider again. Rider does not have much to do in the second scenario but she has a major role in the third.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-16, 11:28
Rider will not show up in this season. The anime is following the Fate scenario.
Well the director did say he will do something different and fromt he looks of the future ep summary he is going to do something different. Rider coming back is still a possiblity.
Captain_Dope
2006-04-16, 11:34
Well the director did say he will do something different and fromt he looks of the future ep summary he is going to do something different. Rider coming back is still a possiblity.
Oh. I did not read anything about that. I guess we have to wait and see what happens then.
Max Demian
2006-04-16, 12:19
Bringing Rider back though would just feel really of cheap. People are suppose to die in this series even if we love them. I wouldn't want to see dark Sakura if it meant sending the plot to hell. It's best that she stay dead for now.
If you think about it, Rider hasen't got any purpose left in the series.. she could help out the Dark Sakura part, but it can be done without her.
& in some ways, Archer is needed, but then his death would just be a waste.
Altima of the Gates
2006-04-16, 14:26
Thats why i'm sure any future Archer involvement would be in a dream sequence, if he does appear again.
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-16, 16:05
Shirou's true enemy is his own Image, I guess thats were We'll see Archer again if they bring him back.
jtbahn_aure
2006-04-17, 23:39
so when is episodes 16+ of Fate/Stay Night coming out?
Tekkaman Zero
2006-04-18, 01:38
every friday, like they always do.
jtbahn_aure
2006-04-19, 10:39
so ep. 16 is coming out this fri? thanks
so ep. 16 is coming out this fri? thanks
Each episode is aired at the same time each week. If you have been following the series - then i would have thought you'd know that by now. ^^;
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the 2 last scenes of the second opening seems to be hinting at how it will end. :(
jtbahn_aure
2006-04-21, 01:06
Each episode is aired at the same time each week. If you have been following the series - then i would have thought you'd know that by now. ^^;
well its becuase i downloed my series of Fate/stay night. Do you know where to download it that would work with real player, if the place where i download mine doesnt have it.
FlareKnight
2006-04-21, 01:43
While it'd be interesting to bring back Rider, I doubt they will. Really with having to finish off Berserker, deal with Lancer, Caster, and Assasin. It would have to rush stuff to finish within the amount of episodes they are planning.
And whatever they decide to pull, I think the Fate Shirou x Saber ending is somewhat a given. Straightaway after that doing a UBW Rin x Shirou would be like a giant middle finger to the watchers.
Well, I could imagine bits and pieces of the Fate and UBW ending being combined into one cohesive scenario. For instance, you can have the usual Fate ending happening, after which he goes with Rin just like how it ended in UBW. That way, his relation to Archer would also be somewhat emphasized a bit more.
The whole Shirou & Archer business is to good imo to leave as it is, maybe we'll just get a scene in Shirou's mind - where he has a battle with Archer.
Just in case I was misunderstood with what I posted a while back...
I'm not suggesting that Archer should come back in the physical sense. I'm just saying that combining the endings of Fate and UBW together isn't that difficult. If the anime will be bringing together certain elements from all three storylines together, then this piece of speculation isn't really that far-fetched at all. In fact, it's so easy to imagine Shirou becoming Archer in the future from this scenario.
Judging from the screenshots of the preview for episode 17 - it really does look like Sakura's gonna have something to do with it.
Yeah, but I don't think she'll become Dark Sakura. Or I really don't see how they are gonna do it.
Concerning the OP and the Archer/Shirou fight, I believe Archer will represent the image Shirou has to fight like Archer said in ep.14. That's the only way I can think of: they'll meet in their Reality Marble. And it will allow to put some UBW elements in the anime.
According to the game, it's impossible for a Servant to be summoned again unless the War ends. So Archer will not come back as a Servant IMO.
Caster could summon Archer though..
zato_1one
2006-04-25, 03:14
According to Caster in episode16. She said she can forcefully summon the Holy Grail. If that is possible then I can assume there is a way to forcefully summon a dying servant back or even a servant that isn't summoned to this war in the first place right? A little hope for my Rider again. :heh:
But doing that may turns a servant into something evil. So if she comes back I expect her to be turn into Dark Rider. :eyespin: I know that is impossible but she will be really cool and very sexy with some magic marks on her body. :heh:
Caster could summon Archer though..
I don't know but why do you so sure about it?
I don't know but why do you so sure about it?
'Caster can do many things, and summoning Archer is one of them.
Since Archer already died once in this war, I really don't see how she can summon him again since he is in the Grail right now... Or maybe the Rule Breaker can fit this purpose.
MakubeX2
2006-04-25, 08:42
■19話 アンサー
アサシンとの戦いでバラバラになった士郎たち、セイバーは戦いの最中で受けた傷のせいで身動きが取れなくな った、葛木を倒すしか勝算がないと悟った凛は彼を探すために寺の中に潜り込み、一方、なんとか境内に着いた 士郎はそこである男と再会した、それは居る筈のない赤い騎士だった、戸惑いながら、士郎は容赦なく襲い掛か った彼の口からある驚愕の事実を知った、そしてぶつけ合う剣戟と理想の果てにある答えは一体. ..
Translation :-
Episode 19 Answer
The battle with Assassin left Shirou and gang in bits and pieces especially Saber, who is badly wounded and unable to move. Rin, though knowing that she had no chance of defeating Kuzuki, sneaked back into the temple to search for him. On the other hand, Shirou had an unexpected meeting with a man. A knight in red who is not supposed to be there. The man attacked Shirou while Shirou is still in a state of confusion and revealed an astonishing truth. What will be Shirou's answer to this revelation that tested his skills and ideals to the limits ?
Return of Archer ?
Source :-
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/shadowabel/71887351-5750-4324-982F-12A64EED870.jpg
o_o
Now I cant wait for ep 19 >.<
Happy to see we're gonna get more Assassin in battle.. and i think we know that is going to be Archer.
Wooooow, it makes my mouth water dooood!
Assassin gets to it again and Archer may come back !
Now we can say that it's really a brand new scenario.
Makube, you really made my day... Well where have I stopped in those damned exam revisions? *leaves, with a stupid smile on his face*
iamandragon
2006-04-25, 10:08
Caster could summon Archer though..
I don't think she can do that, 'cause she lack the command lines...though I know Caster can...
bent the rules create/summon a 8th servent, which is not any of the 7 classes
Forcefully make a servent betray their master
Summon skeletons to fight
Kill her master
Of course, she's not gonna do all of the above, but from the novels I read and the researches I've done...that's what she have done...slipping between rules of the holy grail war and use the grey zones to her advantage.
iamandragon
2006-04-25, 10:11
By the way MakubeX2...you're copying these off a forign forum aren't you? 'cause I've seen this ages ago and those in that forum have already deduced that it's a fake...
It does not appear to be a fake... Though this is not up on Newtype's website.
So? Anyone has an answer?
panzerfan
2006-04-25, 13:35
this is an interesting development. I would love to see Shirou's UBW and Archer...
I don't think she can do that, 'cause she lack the command lines...though I know Caster can...
bent the rules create/summon a 8th servent, which is not any of the 7 classes
Forcefully make a servent betray their master
Summon skeletons to fight
Kill her master
Of course, she's not gonna do all of the above, but from the novels I read and the researches I've done...that's what she have done...slipping between rules of the holy grail war and use the grey zones to her advantage.
Believe me, Caster can do a lot more then that - and bringing Archer back is one of them, depending on the level of her power.
And i know Orochi (MakubeX2) isn't one to show false information.
monstert
2006-04-25, 14:50
Are you guys talking about this particular Caster or any Caster-class Servant?
Are you guys talking about this particular Caster or any Caster-class Servant?
This particular Caster.
Thanks, the Rule Breaker is always there to show some unexpected things.
Some will understand here...
I think using this is a good way to bring Archer back, especially if she gets her dirty hands on the Vessel of the Holy Grail.
You never know, the writers could come up with something completely new for Archer's return.. or it probably is just linked to Caster.
I'm more wondering on what's gonna happen to Assassin - from the sound of it he's gonna do some serious damage, even though he isn't that strong of a servant to do so, probably powered up by Caster in some way.
Well, Assassin can be strong against some classes of Servants. Assassins are also supposed to be a class that can deal with an opponent with a single blow...
And, two of his feats:
1st: his totally insane agility (hard to lay a hit on him).
2nd: his Noble Phantasm uses almost no mana and is unavoidable if well-performed (he got unlucky in ep.9).
Well, Assassin can be strong against some classes of Servants.
Not really, Assassin types are just normal people - if any other servant used there NP.. then bye bye Assassin.
Not really, Assassin types are just normal people - if any other servant used there NP.. then bye bye Assassin.
Well, you summed it up.
Assassins, as I said, can finish a battle faster than others (usually)... So they usually have to finish it before their opponent unleash their NP.
Yes, that is right - but still there has to be something different about Assassin for him being able to deal the amount of damage said to Saber.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm longing to see. Since he seems to be a bit different than in the game.
Edit:
Well, I checked that again. He does have some skills that can be trully annoying such as the Eye of the Mind (Fake) and Harmony (the ennemy is unable to fully react or anticipate attacks).
Well, I checked that again. He does have some skills that can be trully annoying such as the Eye of the Mind (Fake) and Harmony (the ennemy is unable to fully react or anticipate attacks).
Indeed, but i doubt we'll be seeing them in action in the anime.
zato_1one
2006-04-25, 17:05
I don't know who is right. But if that picture was posted a long time ago, I think it's may not a fake. Because Episode17 title in that picture is match a real one. Whatever, we should wait and see for ourself. :cool: By the way my hope for Rider coming back is higher. ;)
iamandragon
2006-04-26, 01:42
Indeed, but i doubt we'll be seeing them in action in the anime.
Hopefully. I don't like assassin at all...he's too acting...unreal...
Why do you mean by that?
He's the typical samurai who loves a good fight and shows that he is used to this.
And I loved the way he measured Saber's sword ^^.
EDIT: the measurement can be somewhat considered as the Eye of the Mind (Fake). So, we somehow got to see one of his skills.
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