Kashimashi Episode 11 Discussion/Poll

[Catgirls]

Welcome to this week's Episode of Kashimashi ~Girl Meets Girl~.

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Hazumu and Yasuna are both cats.

....will get you this...

Hazumu and Yasuna are both cats.

[Kaoru Chujo]

As I watched this and felt the characters' pain, I thought how strange it was to be able to feel this weird situation as if it were real. Maybe I'm just vulnerable, but I have to give credit to the staff and cast for making this strange thing seem so moving and authentic. 9/10 My Japanese wasn't up to telling whether the two girls were agreeing at the end that they could both love Hazumu, or Tomari was just giving him away. I think she decided Yasuna needed him more and she would back out, but I don't want that to happen, no matter what Ayuki says.

[Catgirls]

My Japanese wasn't up to telling whether the two girls were agreeing at the end that they could both love Hazumu, or Tomari was just giving him away. I think she decided Yasuna needed him more and she would back out, but I don't want that to happen, no matter what Ayuki says. I didn't understand what was said and I was just going to post and ask you or anyone else to translate for me, but my gut feeling is that Tomari said she'd back off. If true, then that makes me sad even though last week I was angry with Tomari. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/sad.gif

If Tomari did toss in the towel, I hope Hazumu & Yasuna convince her to stay. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/sad.gif But maybe that won't happen. Maybe this really is girl meets girl and not girl meets girl meets girl.

[rale]

I didn't understand what was said and I was just going to post and ask you or anyone else to translate for me, but my gut feeling is that Tomari said she'd back off. If true, then that makes me sad even though last week I was angry with Tomari. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/sad.gif

If Tomari did toss in the towel, I hope Hazumu & Yasuna convince her to stay. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/sad.gif But maybe that won't happen. Maybe this really is girl meets girl and not girl meets girl meets girl.

Well, I didn't understand 100% of it but im fairly certain...

Tomari says that Yasuna needs Hazumu much more than she does. She doesn't come right out and say it but shes definately backing down.

and..


But the episode ends with Yasuna saying "thanks, but...". I'm guessing this refers to earlier when she gets off the phone with Tomari and she asks her mother to take care of "the thing about grandma's house". Shes packing up a box in the next episode preview, so her plan is probably to leave town.

Hazumu's complete lack of decision making is really bugging me, and I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a 3-way ending for her. As much I like that as a concept, having everything work out without Hazumu having to make a real choice just seems cheap.

Fun ending: Tomari and Yasuna to hook up, Hazumu gets abducted by the aliens for future study.

[friendshipz]

the lack of making decision from hazumu causing both tomari and yusuna hurt.
from metaphorical that ayuki had said, 2 flower growing in the same pot cant grow as healthy as those other flower which has their individual pot.both of flowers in the same pot will eventually wilt if there is no changes make. in order to save at least one of them, u need to pull out one of them in order to save one of it....

so hazumu cant make decicion to both of them...giving them the same love and passion towards them and cause both of them to hurt their feeling...


the oyaji had said, they came to earth was because to inspect and examine yunasu because of her unique condition . that her condition will change because of love. than bla bla so in order to heal back yusuna vision and confidence towards human, yusuna need to deeply love someone..

so will hazumu end up wif yusuna? nope..cos yunasu are leaving the place..and tomari had given up hazumu to yusuna-chan..but wat tomari don know is that yusuna are also going to give up on hazumu too...>_>

like i had say..hazumu will end up wif no one...since this anime wasnt about rivalry between gd and bad ppl... so no winner or loser in this anime.

[stevency]

All I had to say is "love is destructive".

[friendshipz]

All I had to say is "love is destructive".


...i concur... watched so much romance anime and comics... i myself start to have a phobia on love...

[riznar]

I don't think anime characters are good examples of love in action...

[Akuma-sama]

Actually, they're pretty awful examples of love in action :heh:

Maybe Hazumu will die after all and the title really refers to Yasuna and Tomari meeting and getting together because of Hazumu... :heh:

[stevency]

The storyline is straying everywhere. I sometimes get scared by that.

What the alien said about the truth is scary enough.

[BBOvenGuy]

Wow, before anything else, I need to commend everyone who's posted on this thread for having the discipline not to mention...

...the really wicked plot twist! So wicked that I'm not even going to name it. I mean, I would have figured it out had I looked at the screencaps first, but now I'm glad I didn't, because it caught me completely by surprise.

Alas, I know zero Japanese, so I'll have to wait for a summary or a fansub to know what everyone was saying, but even on the visuals alone, this ep was really something else.

[Catgirls]

Yes! Episode 11 is out!

-> http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=30684 (ep 11)
-> Torrents for Xabin (http://www.animesuki.com/group.php/531.html)

Big thanks to Xabin for this release. I've been waiting to catch up with this.

[Vexx]

Yay, for Xabin... (flicks download on)

I'm up to date on the scanlated manga as well.... interesting differences. My main complaint about the manga is that the frame to frame continuity is somewhat poor at times. Example: the beach scene in which Asuta is about to reveal Important Things to Hazumu and is interrupted by sensei's fall - a couple of shouts of Hazumu!!! and suddenly we're in the train with Asuta beaten and tied "fnar". Having seen the anime, I know that Tomari executed her "protect Hazumu" mode but that was in no way clear in the manga. ((that has me wondering if the scanlation dropped some honorifics that would have made those speech balloons clearer)) ... but the panel by panel continuity jumps make it more difficult to follow than a lot of other manga.

In respects the anime is producing better results, though the manga is more interesting in other aspects (the art is pretty entrancing...).

[Shiroth]

Big thanks to Xabin for this release. I've been waiting to catch up with this.
Heh, i think its about time i changed to Xabin. ^^;

[BBOvenGuy]

The Xabin mkv files won't play for me like other mkv files I have. If I don't have ffdshow installed, Media Player Classic gives me sound only, and VLC Media Player crashes entirely. This is the only time I've run into this problem.

Now, of course you might say, "Well, install ffdshow, then," and you would be right. :p Except that when I have ffdshow installed, it interferes with my ability to use vobsub for soft-subbed shows (I get double subtitles).

Any suggestions? :confused:

[Xabin]

Now, of course you might say, "Well, install ffdshow, then," and you would be right. :p Except that when I have ffdshow installed, it interferes with my ability to use vobsub for soft-subbed shows (I get double subtitles).

Any suggestions? :confused:

In the MPC Options, under Player, check "Store settings to .ini file". You'll now find an ini file next to your mplayerc.exe, open this and search for "EnableSubtitles=1" (I haven't found a switch for this in the GUI settings) and change it to 0 to disable MPC's internal subtitler.
In the "Video decoder configuration" part of ffdshow's settings, there's a submenu called Subtitles, make sure that isn't checked.
You should now only get subtitles from DVobSub.

My version of Kashimashi isn't soft-subbed, btw.

[BBOvenGuy]

In the MPC Options, under Player, check "Store settings to .ini file". You'll now find an ini file next to your mplayerc.exe, open this and search for "EnableSubtitles=1" (I haven't found a switch for this in the GUI settings) and change it to 0 to disable MPC's internal subtitler.
In the "Video decoder configuration" part of ffdshow's settings, there's a submenu called Subtitles, make sure that isn't checked.
You should now only get subtitles from DVobSub.

That did it! Thanks!

My version of Kashimashi isn't soft-subbed, btw.

Yeah, I know, but I have other stuff that is.

[Vexx]

Just finished ep 11 ... fairly agonizing episode. Points to Asuta for "being there" though he's always stood up and left behind.

(manga note: this is an interesting "reinterpretation" of the manga.... but hey if its well told.. <shrug>)

Anyway, interesting whirlwind of events..... up to the final "demo..." such that even if Hazumu chooses, I'm still rooting for a threesome over the long duration past the end of the anime (or in the manga).

video notes: I'm not having these problems but then I usually check for updates once every couple of weeks and use the animesuki instructions to the letter in installing everything (after removing everything first). I've come across exactly *one* file I couldn't play with irfanview or the latest Microsoft Windows Media Player and that one played with the "Media Player Classic" tool. I'm also running on Win2K and WinXP. The Win9X and WinMe OS ... you really should retire those for security reasons and because they aren't multithreaded operating systems (which means many games will barf under them). If money is an issue, take a look at Ubuntu Linux (or some other) and the video tools on that or learn how to run WINE or some similiar "windows simulator" under Linux.
Its good to learn new things ... especially if it saves money.

[Sorrow-K]

The best part of this episode was definitely the first half. YURIVISION is still a plot device, but it's one that's being used really well. But both the plot and drama are working fairly well, and a lot of credit for making both those elements have impact has to go to the really good use of music.

The second half, I didn't enjoy as much. I thought the explanation for the alien presence was totally stupid. Yes, I realize this entire show is built on plot devices, but that particular one was by far the silliest. I didn't really appreciate Ayuki's flower metaphor either... it may have been a clever metaphor, but it's a clever metaphor for a cliche.

The confrontation at the end was an interesting scene, but it lacked the dramatic weight and tension of the controntation at the beginning of the episode.I'm starting to lean towards Yasuna now, as far as Hazumu's eventual choice is concerned... which is different to what I towards the beginning of the series, when I thought Tomari would be a lock.This is, in my opinion, by far the strongest feature of Kashimashi's story to date: it's been anything but predictable.

On a slightly different note, the art is still great, but the animation seems to have gone downhill. A bit of discreet corner cutting, I suspect.

[hailstorm]

I love lesbian angst. Lesbian angst FTW.

[Vexx]

I'm interpreting the Ayuki sequence as: the one time she steps up to the stage, she really goes and puts her foot really deep in her mouth ---- aka "I misjudged you." as an apology. She just got torqued when she saw how torn up Tomari was and jumped in without finding out about Yuri or *why* Hazumu was conflicted.

The alien explanation just really felt like bullshit compared with what they've been saying and doing the entire series (ignoring the manga reasons seen so far) ... I'd have really preferred they just keep to the background for comedy relief and let Asuta play more .. buts thats just my wishful opinion. I just think the Asuta thread is more interesting.

The animation was a bit less evident .... but fairly discreet since more of the characters were just standing and explaining than "doing".

[Jaden]

Oh yes Ayuki appearing like that again XD
She's one of the weak points of this anime...The deus ex machina, the narrator, the stater of the obvious....such an unnecessary thing.

[KaneDragon]

^^ As I said back in Episode 4 Discussion...
Ayuki is everywhere... Take the blue pill Tomari~ o_o
XD

Ayuki shows her future evil overlord side?
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6089/kashimashi11evilayuki7jt.jpg
No! You crush them underfoot! :mad: Bwahahaha, soon all will cower before my might! I shall let no one stand in my way!!! :D
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5370/kashimashi11flamingayuki2se.jpg

And at last! The alien's TRUE MOTIVES ARE REVEALED!
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5774/kashimashi11truemotives7df.jpg
Suddenly, it all makes sense! o.o

[Sour-Do]

Hilarious, KaneDragon!

[Sinestra]

This one really took me by surpise especially the bitch slapping that went on. I just really hope that Tomari is throwing in the towel, i like Yasuna and Tomari better than i like Hasamu shes just hurting everyone the way she is now. I just really feel for Yasuna because of illness. What the hell is up with Ayuki going all postal she is really a drag for the show she has no purpose other to show up when tomari is upset

[Vexx]

Ayuki committed her own cardinal sin of stepping onto the stage ... and at least from my take on it --- after flaming Hazumu without finding out the whole story, went down in flames: "I misjudged you." Yeah, Hazumu is wanting to keep both of them, but both Yasuna and Tomari seem too quick to think the other is breaking the pact... so goes insecurity. The other way out of this is for them to become so attached to each other that anything but a threesome is unthinkable. Monogamous relationships are by no means the only solution - just one that evolved from the patriarchal "one guy-several women" polygamy system. Some modern day (and many ancient tribes) raised children as a group --- who the genetic father was - was irrelevant (the tribe was the gene pool).

I think the three complement each other, whereas each twosome combo seems to be missing some elements.

[iamtetsuo]

Oh my goodness this episode was so good. I actually cried for Yasuna! It's so terrible that they'd do that to her. Hazumu needs to get on a white stallion and come to Yasuna's rescue!
Perfect 10 despite the silly alien's being here to study Yasuna BS. Now the question is will Hazumu be able to save Yasuna or is he too late? Have both the flowers already wilted? A triangle would have be nice, but to tell the truth I'll be dissapointed if that's the way they go. It's the easy way out, Hazumu has to decide what she really wants and stick to it.

Side notes:
Kane dragon :heh: AWESOME!

I'm still having issues with Xabins mkv files. Lots of blockiness during movement on screen. VLC seems to have a tough time running at 32 fps at times and MplayerOSX flat out refuses to open the file.

[KaneDragon]

Was Ayuki misjudging then taking it back? I don't think so. After that whole metaphor talk, it seemed like she had her own take down, and the "I misjudged you" was just another diss against Hazumu, that she had thought things would be find and decided not to interfere, but misjudged Hazumu's indecision.

Ayuki has a point, but the plant metaphor is a bit much, or comes across in an odd way, as indicated by my last post. (=P)

And Tomari saying she's serious now. Pfft. How long has she known Hazumu, and she waits until Hazumu's a girl and Yasuna confesses to Hazumu? She urged Hazumu to confess and should have to deal with the results, no excuses, despite Yasuna's initial rejection. Hazumu shouldn't be dealt all the blame like this. And Yasuna and Tomari making deals/fighting behind Hazumu's back... Hazumu is a person, too; they should talk to her, too. Yasuna acting all mad at just Tomari for kissing---Hazumu was kissing back...

Tomari (with her hair down) > Yasuna anyway, though.

And I did think something along the lines of "Ha! Karma strikes again!" when Yasuna lost the rest of her sight. She rejected Hazumu because he was a guy and chased after him because he turned female, so she thought it was safe... Now she's right back where she started, and has to accept him despite the possibility (actuality, now) of losing sight of him/her. After her talk of "Why was I afraid?" after explaining why she had rejected him, now she puts her money where her mouth is.

[Vexx]

Hmmm, thats another possible interp .... reviewing the scene it was cut a little short for me to decide which interp was right. After all, Ayuki *was* out of bounds --- all she knew was that Tomari was upset. She had no clue that Yasuna's condition had worsened and that Hazumu was caught between a rock and a pointed stick. Yet she ripped Hazumu up and killed a plant right after it was ascertained that both were doing well. I just think she stumbled badly with the point she was trying to make.

Frankly, the vision plot device is a bit annoying to me because it means Hazumu can't choose between Tomari and Yasuna properly if she must choose. She'll go with "who needs her more" rather than who Hazumu needs. And Tomari is screwed because if she asserts and wins --- she dooms Yasuna to a world without human connection. Basically, Tomari is put into a "no-win" because Hazumu and Tomari will always know they were involved with that.

Obviously this is all just our opinions and not necessarily rational -- but I just don't feel like they're complete without both Tomari and Yasuna (kind of like the Fut Alt characters with their declaration).

[Xabin]

Ayuki told Hazumu in very straight terms what she needed to do. She was hoping Hazumu would "come to her senses", but Hazumu started whining instead. So Ayuki gets disappointed, as she misjudged what kind of person Hazumu is.

[Vexx]

I find it interesting that there's an assumption that what Ayuki says is automatically the correct and right thing to do. This is a girl who, by her own admission, has stayed off the stage. She's never *been* in the positions she's giving advice on.
Yeah... I'll go with the notion that now she thinks less of Hazumu ... but given she's being so judgemental without knowing about Yasuna's recent change for the worse, I can't say that scores many points. Given Yasuna's condition, Ayuki just basically forced Tomari off the track if Hazumu submits to her directive.

[ranchan13]

I've seen through episode 12, so I won't say ANYTHING regarding who is chosen except that my original thoughts from episode 1 were confirmed.

Now, this was a very moving episode, we discover the cause of Yasuna's condition, and we see it evolve further, we also learn Sora's intentions on Earth, and he explains everything to Hazumu. All in All, Ayumi seems the biggest plot-device in the series, moving everything at her pace.

[frad113]

Tomari - on 2nd base (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wmaiorov/mune.swf), yeah!

[Abashi]

This episode was great. My favorites so far are: 6, 11.