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Village Idiot
2006-03-31, 11:30
Episode 13 has aired.
Pics up at 2chan
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2545109.htm
What I'm looking forward with interest and looks to turn the major highlight for this episode is
how Illya manages to kidnap Shirou and have him tied up to play on him.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1686/illyaandshirou2pl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Illya: Oni-chan, being you tied up and unable to move isn't it exciting?
Xellos-_^
2006-03-31, 11:54
Don't fprget the loli also have shargain eyes.
evil-samurai
2006-03-31, 12:00
So they finally show Archer with a bow, about time.
Oh! Ilya Ftw (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11438238842267ae53cp.jpg) :heh:http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/32/114382387612340c84jw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:love:Been waiting till they showed the more darker side to Ilya, her character was a bit plain when they just! showed her acting all nice after trying to kill shirou, she intelligent with a childish side, though how much of her is child-ish is hard to tell when she is seemingly putting on a act.
justinstrife
2006-03-31, 12:02
Damn... Seems like we truely are going down the Fate path after all. How disappointing. :(
Why do I have a premonition that this episode will also convert me into an Illya-chan fan as well?
BTW
From Sabers' flashbacks we can behold how she earned Excalibur.
Altima of the Gates
2006-03-31, 12:24
Damn... Seems like we truely are going down the Fate path after all. How disappointing. :(
I still think they have something extra in store though, call it a gut feeling.
Village Idiot
2006-03-31, 12:26
Why do I have a premonition that this episode will also convert me into an Illya-chan fan as well?
BTW
From Sabers' flashbacks we can behold how she earned Excalibur.
That wasn't Excalibur in the flashback. Notice that the sword is different than the one Saber used in Ep12.
And is that Merlin in the background?
Xellos-_^
2006-03-31, 12:26
Why do I have a premonition that this episode will also convert me into an Illya-chan fan as well?
BTW
From Sabers' flashbacks we can behold how she earned Excalibur.
Resistance is futile you will be assimalite :D All worship the loli
That wasn't Excalibur in the flashback. Notice that the sword is different than the one Saber used in Ep12.
I get it! The sword...
that Saber pulled out from the stone is Clarent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarent)
I get it! The sword...
that Saber pulled out from the stone is Clarent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarent)
Yep, thats the one - also its the same sword when people are asking "Howcome in some images Saber's holding two swords?"
Xellos-_^
2006-03-31, 13:34
Damn... Seems like we truely are going down the Fate path after all. How disappointing. :(
I think it is still too early to tell. I think in the next few eps with what will happen to Archer wil tell us where this is headed.
demon_god04
2006-03-31, 14:03
Agreed we will just have to wait and see, they dropped alot of hints in the anime that it's unlikely going to be purely Fate.
hm...... I can just imagine the loli talk from last ep discussion carrying over to this ep....:heh: or maybe im just a little dissapointed I missed the fun discussion :sad: :heh: Sooo many loli jokes can be done with some of those screenies lol:heh:
Freakman
2006-03-31, 15:07
At least they made it clear
That Saber was Arthur.
I'm wondering how they'll dodge the "mana regenerating" issue.
All of this depends on what happens in the next ep.
The preview wasn't exactly clear, although at this point it seems they're making things happen slightly differently from the game, but to which extent, I can't tell.
Also, they changed the temptative ep 14 episode, which was supposed to be Unlimited Blade Works according to the previews. It's now 理想の果て
fict_ticious
2006-03-31, 15:37
No UBW? Nooooooo!
Shirou won't have to do the deed... unless they can skip it and imply it at some point, but then all the fans will be wondering why Saber's all perky.
..... Did I just say that last part out loud?
demon_god04
2006-03-31, 16:22
No UBW? Nooooooo!
Shirou won't have to do the deed... unless they can skip it and imply it at some point, but then all the fans will be wondering why Saber's all perky.
..... Did I just say that last part out loud?
hahaha couldnt help but laugh at that:heh: :heh:
anyways, they most likely will have some character elements from the other scenarios and I wouldnt count out UBW just yet since it makes for some awsome character development for Shirou, and theres certainly enough hints to it -.-
fict_ticious
2006-03-31, 17:31
I couldn't resist...
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/9057/getrpd4mf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yeah, I think someone's gonna have to kill me after that.
I agree, the episode finally drives the point that she is indeed Arthur, or at least the inspiration to the Arthurian legends.
The art is a little better for this episode, and it features some Archer, who as of now is no longer MIA. I thought his bow would be cooler looking (futuristic, in fact). Oh yeah, was Shirou part of the archery club once or something?
Xellos-_^
2006-03-31, 17:37
I couldn't resist...
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/9057/getrpd4mf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yeah, I think someone's gonna have to kill me after that.
I agree, the episode finally drives the point that she is indeed Arthur, or at least the inspiration to the Arthurian legends.
The art is a little better for this episode, and it features some Archer, who as of now is no longer MIA. I thought his bow would be cooler looking (futuristic, in fact). Oh yeah, was Shirou part of the archery club once or something?
i am going to save that somewhere :D HAHAHHAH :p
[/URL][URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/32/114382387612340c84jw.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11438238842267ae53cp.jpg) Wow, she actually looks older than Shirou, early 20s I'd say. Nice:love:
kari-no-sugata
2006-03-31, 18:07
Shinji haters rejoice, since...
Shinji meets a tall, dark stranger and goes splat :D
Need to add "like Shinji" to the text:
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/9057/getrpd4mf.jpg
justinstrife
2006-03-31, 18:25
Oh yeah, was Shirou part of the archery club once or something?
Yes Shirou use to be in the archery club but he dropped out for some reason. He and Shinji briefly talked about the Archery club in episode 2 I believe it was.
fict_ticious
2006-03-31, 18:28
^I have a better idea:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6894/getrpd22yi.jpg
I'm beginning to question the appropriateness of this, so for now I'll stop.
Is it just me, or has Archer been working out? He seems a little more buff than what I remembered. Guess a neglected servant has to occupy their time somehow.
Ugh... First Illya implying that she's gonna use Berserker on Shirou... now this... What is this world coming to... Scary :heh:
Resistance is futile you will be assimalite :D All worship the loli
That too :D
kari-no-sugata
2006-03-31, 18:36
Saber is totally unconscious for the first half of the ep. She's almost completely out of mana - so much so that she may well vanish. Rin tells Shirou this. He first seems to think it won't be too big an issue, but Rin makes it clear that with Saber in that condition, fighting would be suicide. So, either he's gotta boost his magic powers (so he can transfer her some mana like normal Masters) or make her get some mana - the only way being to do a Rider and attack innocent people. ie use a command mantra to force Saber to grab some mana. Rin briefly thinks there may be a third way since the summoning circle for Saber formed somehow (Shirou doesn't have the mana for that).
Shirou falls asleep while watching over Saber and dreams of some things about her. There's also a deeper flashback to a younger Saber (looking very much like a boy) pulling "the sword from the stone" with Merlin watching on. He calls her Atheria or similar. He warns her that pulling out the sword makes her the king of "boo-ree-tan" - are you prepared blah blah. Another flashback shows her being on a field with an army behind her, talking about their "king". Shirou realises that has to be Saber. He also realises that the sword she has right now is different to the one she used last night (ie Excalibur isn't "the sword in the stone").
After waking up, Shirou happens upon Archer, who's testing his condition with a bow. He manages to get under Shirou's skin again with ease. He also makes it clear that Saber's condition is all Shirou's fault - Saber only did such a powerful move to save Shirou.
Later that day, Shirou is gloomily sitting in the park when up turns Illya. They talk a bit - Illya knows about Saber's condition, saying she was in the area. Illya also gets Shirou with a basic magic spell and freezes him and makes him fall unconscious. Illya thinks it's "cute" that he's so easy to get. He wakes up in Illya's bedroom tied to a chair. (Damn, the lolis this year are pretty agressive!)
Saber has also woken up but can barely walk. She can tell Shirou is far away. Archer thinks this is fine - just dump that loser Shirou. However, Rin can't turn down Saber's pleading look, so they set off on a walk...
Illya wants Shirou to become her servant. But he refuses - he's a master himself anyway. So Illya decides to go kill Saber and Rin. She also references something from 10 years ago and tells Shirou that he's special - she'll kill all the other Masters but not him. Shirou says she shouldn't kill in the first place, but she says it's too late and explains how Shinji bumped into them when escaping from Shirou and ended up as a blood stain on Berserker's club.
After she leaves Shirou tries to use his trace skills to damage the rope - he can do it a lot fast since being force-fed that magic crystal of Rin's. However, he still can't break free. Then two of his "magic traces" light up, crackling (like when facing Rider in the school) and he quickly breaks free. He also coughs up blood (seems to be due to being in poor condition, as side-effect from Illya's magic spell on him earlier). His eyes also seem to be glowing slightly and there's a magic humm.
Rin and Saber arrive at Illya's mansion (with Archer materialising to join in),
kari-no-sugata
2006-03-31, 18:41
Next ep title is: The End of Ideals (or alternatively, the limit of ideals)
Sounds interesting. Archer and Berserker definitely have some action. Hard to tell much apart from that. Hmm, Archer also seems to be bringing out his two swords again and there's like a magical scaffold around them while they form...
doughboy
2006-03-31, 18:54
If next episode features that awesome fight between Archer and Berserker that was shown in the promo trailer, this will officially be the greatest series ever. :p I am doubtful that will actually be in the show, they seem pretty inconsistent on what's been reused and completely reanimated so far. :(
Yeah! Thank you Illya and Big-B... for taking care of that stupid coward Shinji!! :D
He finally paid for what he did to Taiga-nee and Ayako.
But... kiddo, you're really BAD, aren't you? :eek:
So that's what Ilya and Berserker were doing there at the building. KSERS!!! :heh:
Fire Ice
2006-03-31, 20:54
Ha! Perfect 10. Shinji got owned! wh00t!
And for the freaky evil loli...Yes...That too...
Can't wait till episode 14...Noble Phantasm-ness..I can smell it! Smell iiiit!
justinstrife
2006-03-31, 21:07
From the screen shots all sorts of dirty thoughts come to mind about Ilya. I already confess to be a little bit of a loli-con so this is just... Ammunition? :heh:
I get it! The sword...
that Saber pulled out from the stone is Clarent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarent)
It's called Caliburn in the game, so most of us go by that.
Also, they changed the temptative ep 14 episode, which was supposed to be Unlimited Blade Works according to the previews. It's now 理想の果て
I don't think they changed it, it just proved that the UBW preview was the fake one, probably the curtesy of 2ch vippers.
As for the regeneration stuff, you can look at the Q&A thread, since there are preview spoilers in there up to 16 or something now (and now that we know that the 理想の果て episode preview is probably true, it's possible that the one for episode 15 is true too, which contains the answer to the regeneration question... it still sounds kinda flaky to me though).
Other than that... This episode was... surprisingly... boring -_- (besides the sword in the stone scene, which was original, I don't think there's anything remotely interesting in this episode at all for the gamers, they even managed to make Ilya's seduction look boring)
TougeSil80
2006-03-31, 22:58
What's the mana regeneration issue? (Sorry, I didn't play the game) Is it when Rin talks to Shirou about if Saber use the Hougu once more she'll use up all her spirit force and no longer be able to materialize (dissapear). I really want to like this series, and I like Saber too, but Shirou is just too useless to be a main char. All the problem of this ep wouldn't happen if he would know how to recharge Saber's energy. Anyways, I gave this ep a 7, it's good, but the next ep should be excellent.
Missilebuster
2006-03-31, 23:34
1st off plz someone make a pic with instead of yo gonna get raped bi*ch , it says I AM THE JUGGANAUT (and another that says dammit leeroy)
2nd Queen Arthur? little historical oopsies, and if so shouldnt she be Galahad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Galahad), as he was the greatest knight, and he also drew a sword from a stone (it may have been the same one, it has been a while)
fict_ticious
2006-03-31, 23:55
Okay, I knew that stuff I did was stupid from the start. I apologize to the animesuki community. So make your requests in the signature board Mr. Missle.
Secondly,
in TYPE-MOON's universe, the whole universe concerning the series, the Arthurian legends were based off of Aturia aka. Saber. So any historical "oopsies" or speculation in reference in real life is irrelevant. Though I am up for a Galahad servant. Actually, I thought up a harem spinoff where the Knights of the Round Table/Arthur's court were girls living in a dorm and compete for the only male tenant. Original!
ordnance11
2006-04-01, 00:03
Well, you do need a set-up for the next arc..so this episode was fine by me..I liked it where you can see by saber's eyes that she was pleading to Rin to help find Shiro.
fict_ticious
2006-04-01, 00:07
^ Yes! I liked that too! It reminded me about that look of concern she gave Shirou at the park.
So Shinji is dead now. I'll miss his twisted laugh. *cries for some time* Didn't expect much from this week's episode , but anyway it turned out to be a pretty satisfying one . Archer's appearance was definitely a plus.
But how was Ilya able to carry Shiro all the way from the park to her castle? He should be too heavy for her. If Ilya had Berserker do the job that would require the servant to materialise (they can't get in physical contact with the world while in their spiritual form , right?) . If it was so , I can imagine some random bypasser's face when he sees a 3m tall monster walking around ...
Ok, now some "more serious" question. How would Shiro's "trace on" ability help him untie the rope? Well , he could reinforce the rope with it ,but that would definitely only make the situation worse ; a chair , but that would be useless ; his ... bones? That wouldn't help him much either, I guess. I must have missed something.
Freakman
2006-04-01, 02:57
Note : He doesn't try to untie the rope, he tries to wash out Iriya's binding magic using his own magic channels.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-01, 03:09
Loli = hazard for health. Remember that folks.
Ilya has 2 housemaids who are quite strong. In FHA one of them carried a halberd effortlessly. So Shirou should not be a burden for any of them. But the fight between Berserker and Archer will another highlight after the skyscraper duel. I am looking forward to it.
Hopefully UBW will be featured, it is an awesome concept.
Question is, will anime of Fate featured that famous scene of "Saber recharged".......
Loli = hazard for health. Remember that folks.
Question is, will anime of Fate featured that famous scene of "Saber recharged".......
I know it's bad for the health :p Most things in this world are, but not many care :p
Lolis rule :D
Eh... Probably not :p
Question is, will anime of Fate featured that famous scene of "Saber recharged".......
Thats probably the main question for anyone who's played the game.. ^^;
Thats probably the main question for anyone who's played the game.. ^^;
Mmm, i think, they will surpass this scene with Rins magic gem stones. Perhaps Rin finds a way to transfer some "Magic circutes" from Sabers master into the Stone and then intro Saber (shallow it)
Mmm... I curios at the end. only ONE Mage and Servant can win, the war. But if this continoue, the two will become the best friends. unable to fight. I hope the producers know this, too. Bounds are strong
Mfg,
Seska
I never thought Ilya can be that evil-looking. She looked so innocent and childish back in ep 10! I even took all the trouble to rewatch ep 10 just to double check that's Ilya! I'm kinda surprised that Berserker killed Shinji though. Shirou should well understand the....er.....pain:heh: Again, I find Archer's attitude kinda irritating. Then again, I can't blame him for that since his true identity is.......Anyway, when can I get to see Shirou uses his imaging ability.....sigh......
Xellos-_^
2006-04-01, 10:28
Loli = hazard for health. Remember that folks.
But they are so darn cute :heh:
SWPIGWANG
2006-04-01, 11:48
Meh, they didn't explain sakura....the end of 12 had tohsaka in front of the mattou place.......ah well *waits*
justinstrife
2006-04-01, 12:23
Thats probably the main question for anyone who's played the game.. ^^;
Well just remember Tsukihime had a small scene between Shiki and Arcuied. So theoretically it could happen, it just would not be detailed. Though, the Tsukihime scene was very tasteful in my opinion, and fit with what was going on.
PastPrime
2006-04-01, 12:48
Meh, they didn't explain sakura....the end of 12 had tohsaka in front of the mattou place.......ah well *waits*
I think that Sakura knew that Shinji was killed. It looked to me like she said "Oniichan" and, given the time elapsed since Saber's attack, it would have been at the time Berserker killed Shinji.
Well, they didn't animate the movement of Sakura's lips properly (realistically) , so it's impossible to tell what she said exactly.
She might have even said something like "So... beautiful" , when the Excalibur's beam appeared in the sky... :)
Loli = hazard for health. Remember that folks.
Not trying to imply eating out here, but things that are hazardous to your health usually taste better. :heh:
And I'm not even going to tell you what I saw when I clicked on that 2chan link.
demon_god04
2006-04-01, 13:58
Loli = hazard for health. Remember that folks.
Question is, will anime of Fate featured that famous scene of "Saber recharged".......
Loli also = potential younger girlfriends in a couple years time;) :heh:
well Saber needs to be recharged somehow, its not like the average viewers are so innocent as to not know what sex is -.- if they include it would be mostly implied though.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-01, 14:01
Loli also = potential younger girlfriends in a couple years time;) :heh:
Depending on which country you are in. You don't need to wait :p :heh: :D :naughty:
Loli also = potential younger girlfriends in a couple years time;) :heh:
As Rin of Shuffle has demonstrated :p
well Saber needs to be recharged somehow, its not like the average viewers are so innocent as to not know what sex is -.- if they include it would be mostly implied though.
Bleh, lame as hell for a serious anime like F/SN. Even if it's an ero-game conversion, it'd be pretty lame to do that. They'll probably going to find a decent way to recharge Saber.
Depending on which country you are in. You don't need to wait :p :heh: :D :naughty:
Yes, that too :P Lucky Japanese people :p
demon_god04
2006-04-01, 14:06
Maybe Saber can mistake one of Rin's gems for candy and eat it then be recharged by the mana contained within them:heh:
Depending on which country you are in. You don't need to wait :p :heh: :D :naughty:
I guess as long as they are past the age of consent?:heh: people did used to get married young :p
There was much focus on the sword in this episode. It seems like the key to restore Saber's mana...my guess is that Shirou will find or create the sword.
justinstrife
2006-04-01, 14:55
This is so going down the path of Fate... I watched the sub this morning, and with the emphasis on the sword and him wanting to hold it in his hands, the foreshadowing of Saber needing a mana recharge(and there being a third 'way'), saving Shirou from Ilya.... I really don't see the UBW arc becoming much of a possibility here.
I'm giving this episode an 8, but it left me a bit more depressed as it is going in the direction I felt was not as dramatic, and OMGWTBBQ as the other arcs. :(
ZeRoGravity
2006-04-01, 15:28
9/10 because some of Sabers backgrounds have been revealed, her real name has been revealed and shes King Arthur, i mean Queen Arthur? So Saber actually wields 2 swords? im kinda confused.
Oh man, why do i sense that i will see Illya on Shirou's lap screenshots on 4chan soon...Anyways it sucks that i will have won't be able to watch archervsberserker until the end of April. Although this episode doesn't have any fightings it kept me interested with how to regenerate Saber's mana - heh, right why they were trying to figure it how, sex just came to my mind :eyespin: - Shirou being kidnapped etc.
Missilebuster
2006-04-01, 15:58
so saber's charge up is having sex with shirou?... if not explain this whole scene from the game
Man wtf is up with that girl.
"Shiro become my belonging"
I mean WTF! That girl is seriously mentally unstable.
@ Fic Ticious's pic, just look at shiro in that shot LOL! I seriously though wtf is this lil girl doin to shiro!
Well, this episode gets a 10 just for the Saber flashback - and also being british, its good to see Saber as my king. ^^
I'm probably the only one here who didn't like how Shinji was killed. I knew he was going to be killed by Berserker.. but it pretty much upset me, i'm not a guy who loves seeing character's being killed.
As for the preview for nexted episode..
Archer vs Berserker, though i really hope it doesn't end the Fate way.. ;_;
Illya is sooo evil. But I still believe she's nice deep inside :D
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-01, 17:07
The art is fluid and improved a lot.
Marine-RX179
2006-04-01, 17:07
I'm probably the only one here who didn't like how Shinji was killed. I knew he was going to be killed by Berserker.. but it pretty much upset me, i'm not a guy who loves seeing character's being killed.
Actually as much I dislike Shinji, I am not too comfortable with that neither. I would much rather have him learn about his wrong-doing and spend his life atoning for his sin than dying a horrible death...
ordnance11
2006-04-01, 17:11
Hmm...it seems Shiro is in a throes of a dilemma....how to provide mana for Saber? She can't draw it from him and for a fact she'd hate and despise him if he uses a command line to make her take it from other people. Now..if there's a 3rd way....which some people are hinting at....
:heh:
The art is fluid and improved a lot.
Yeah, you can tell during the 'King Arthur' flashback - can't wait a later volume of the DVD's with the episode. ^^
Actually as much I dislike Shinji, I am not too comfortable with that neither. I would much rather have him learn about his wrong-doing and spend his life atoning for his sin than dying a horrible death...
Yeah, i know killing Master's is needed to win the war, but after the shock Shinji was in.. i could have seen him just going to the church, and waiting for the war to end.
Poor Shinji.. ;_;
The only thing I didn't like about it is Illya having to get her hands dirty. Other than that, there's no way a guy like him would be atoning for anything. Better off dead.
About Saber recharging, I believe they'll going to use that "other sword" for something.
I'd be really upset if I see Illya killed.
Or Rin or Saber for that matter. Or Sakura. Or any other cute F/SN girl :p
But Shinji, bah, let him rot in hell.
ordnance11
2006-04-01, 17:37
I'd be really upset if I see Illya killed.
Or Rin or Saber for that matter. Or Sakura. Or any other cute F/SN girl
But Rider's already dead!:sad:
But Shinji, bah, let him rot in hell.
Amen
But Rider's already dead!:sad:
Amen
Who said I didn't grieve her fanservice majesty's loss? :sad:
But that's what you get when your Master's a total jerk. Poor Rider.
But Shinji, bah, let him rot in hell.
Let me guess, not a fan of the characters that are bad just for people to hate?
Look past all that, and you've got a guy like any other character in F/SN that's just doing what he believes in.. might not be good, but not everyone can be the good character.
Maybe i'm a bit like Shirou here, but i believe that no one deserves to die, doesn't matter what they've done - and a death like Shinji's was uncalled for.
That sums it up nicely :p There's only one type of villain I like and that's the corrupted hero or tragic villain (who still retains at some form of his past noble self). Otherwise, all bad guys can just die :p Especially Shinji-type villains.
Shirou should just KILL someone for a change. Although, at the moment, I can't find people for him to kill, since Shinji kicked the bucket :p You can't protect good people if you don't destroy villains. Like his dad said "By saving one, it means you can't save another". Not that anyone cares if the other is a ruthless villain, right? :p It's obvious how wrong Shirou was for leaving Shinji alive in the first place. Shinji had his chance, he threw it away, Berserker did his duty to humanity and took care of the garbage :D
Xellos-_^
2006-04-01, 19:32
I think we talk all that is to talk about regading king arhturia and her swords. And Shinji the splat. So can we get back tot eh important stuff :eyebrow: The loli :D and recharging Sabre :naughty:
I'm with Angelsama on this one. If Shinji is more evil I probably wouldn't care either way. But he's just such a coward that I find his death to be pointless.
Ermm.. i think you took what i said the wrong way. ^^;
justinstrife
2006-04-01, 19:44
Shinji got what he deserved, and I was happy he died. Although, I would have enjoyed more of a splat from Berserker's weapon.
Shinji deserved it. You can't deny that. He was willing to sacrifice the entire school to win the Holy Grail War, he almost killed Fuji-neesan, he almost killed Shirou, he was trying to pit Shirou against my poor Rin( :( ), it's a case closed issue. Sometimes you find a person, who flat out deserves to die.
and I'm not even bringing up the abuse against Sakura... I mean WTF he should die the most horrible death imagineable for that!
Ermm.. i think you took what i said the wrong way. ^^; Well, I didn't say we have the same reasonings.:heh: If i was planning to win the grail war no matter what, then i'd have no trouble doing that.. but killing's not in my nature. I agree completely with this statement though.
Shinji deserved it. You can't deny that. He was willing to sacrifice the entire school to win the Holy Grail War, he almost killed Fuji-neesan, he almost killed Shirou, he was trying to pit Shirou against my poor Rin( :( ), it's a case closed issue. Sometimes you find a person, who flat out deserves to die.
If i was planning to win the grail war no matter what, then i'd have no trouble doing that.. but killing's not in my nature.
justinstrife
2006-04-01, 20:07
For me, it's not because of planning to win the holy grail war so much, as wanting him to pay for his crimes with his life. Someone like him cannot do society any good, and he's not the type to ever fully repent for his actions. He's too slimey a character at heart.
and I'm not even bringing up the abuse against Sakura... I mean WTF he should die the most horrible death imagineable for that!
I gotta agree with you on that one. I was feeling sorry for Shinji at first but when I think of him abusing Sakura, I was like...fine fine, he died. No big deal. At least he got the worst possible death ever....I think.
Just watched the subbed episode and I gotta say there's some pretty interesting thing about Shirou. Not sure whether Shirou was talking about Excalibur or Saber's other sword but there's one part where Shirou expressed interest in holding Saber's sword. He mentioned something about not being able to do it by using reinforcement magic but rather he need something more than that.....Looks like Shirou is SLOWLY awakening his true potential.
DwArD, i think your post is a bit on the spoiler side.
Hmm, i hope we get a few more scenes from Saber's past.. but i really can't see that happening. ;_;
What!!! Death makes its so much better. I dont want see some happy fairy conclusion with people giving up and BS. Im happy that Shinji ended up getting pwned lol.
Hopefully we will see more death in the enxt episodes.
Sorrow-K
2006-04-01, 21:00
I won't say Shinji's death was pointless, because it made for a good plot twist (OMG BAN ILYA FOR KS) but past that it was. I just don't see the point in killing undeveloped characters, because you can't care about what happens to them one way or another. Shinji was just such a by-the-numbers antagonist that his death was little more than just the plot going through the motions. His death was just so uneventful, that they could have equally written him to the sidelines without killing him, and it wouldn't have made a difference to the plot or his character.
Speaking of "through the motions" that was what this episode felt like. Obviously it was a transition from the Shinji-saga to the Ilya-saga, but as far as events or twists in this ep was concerned, there was nothing big. Personally I think they should have made an effort to make the "Saber-identity" revelation have more impact, but I suppose if they were going to do that, they would have done it during the Rider fight, so they probably missed their oppurtunity.
OMG EVIL SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE KSING LOLI! Ilya is great. She's so cute, yet so evil. I have to admit though, I do find her difficult to take seriously as a bad guy. I realize her whole point is to highlight the "children are the most capable of being sadistic" theme.... but she's just so damn cute. Let's hope they don't skimp on her background the way they did for Shinji... there's obviously a reason why she's a crazed psychopath, and it'd be nice to know it.
I can't be the only one who kept snickering every time they brought up mana regen. (Yes, for those that have played the game, this is one of those details that everyone knows... whether they've played the game or not). I can't see any reason why they wouldn't do it. I mean, they didn't skimp on the sex in Tsukihime anime.
Overall, average transition episode.
I mean, they didn't skimp on the sex in Tsukihime anime.
Yes, it worked for Tsukihime, 'cause you're at the end of the story.. and Shiki knows his true feelings for Arcueid.
But think about it this way, if they're putting Saber & Shirou's relationship into the series, having sex half way through isn't going to go well for the ending.. i'm not saying its not gonna happen, its just it doesn't have to should happen.
Man after hearing Ilya I hope she does get killed! Anyone as evil as her deserves to die. She's not happy if she just kills Saber she says she'll come back and kill him, but their is NO NEED after she kills Saber. That is the ultimate evil and the kind of evil that should be killed! The ultimate evil is what Ilya is and just because she's cute others are willing to overlook that. She kills when she doesn't need to. She kills if you don't agree to be her slave. She is EVIL!
shaolinx
2006-04-01, 21:26
woops double post~ deleted
shaolinx
2006-04-01, 21:28
Man after hearing Ilya I hope she does get killed! Anyone as evil as her deserves to die. She's not happy if she just kills Saber she says she'll come back and kill him, but their is NO NEED after she kills Saber. That is the ultimate evil and the kind of evil that should be killed! The ultimate evil is what Ilya is and just because she's cute others are willing to overlook that. She kills when she doesn't need to. She kills if you don't agree to be her slave. She is EVIL!
yeh she is pretty evil, and ur pretty evil urself thinkin that a lil girl like her should be killed. and when it comes those kinda things, people can get pretty crazy/evil. take shana in shakugen no shana. she became nutz when yuji told her to back off.
anywho, IIya ftw ~ :)
I can't be the only one who kept snickering every time they brought up mana regen. (Yes, for those that have played the game, this is one of those details that everyone knows... whether they've played the game or not). I can't see any reason why they wouldn't do it. I mean, they didn't skimp on the sex in Tsukihime anime.
did this sound like a mega spoiler to anyone? wtf >.>
I think Shinji was more of a coward than a villian. I didnt like the way the battle ended and Shinji's attitude because he died like a punk. He wasn't even a true villian, he was soft. Actually I think he was just trying to survive and earn trust but the way he presented himself nobody trusted him. IMO he died too early. :mad:
As for Shinji's death. It was freaking funny. I watched that scen like 5 times to see the expression on Berserker's and Shinji's faces. Shinji: "aww Please dont rape me"
Beserker:"Hmmm.. RAPE!!!! Grarrrrrr."
Illya was the best part of this episode b/c she wanted shiro to be her servant, belonging, or some type of slave.... LLya: " I will protect you forever and ever" "Besides I waited 10 years for this. Shiro become my belonging"
cough loli cough I didnt think she was older that 10.
cough loli cough I didnt think she was older that 10.
Not sure if its a spoiler, but might as well make it one - Illya's actually one year older then Shirou.
Not sure if its a spoiler, but might as well make it one - Illya's actually one year older then Shirou.
:o Then umm.. well..
Illya is twisted. Like it the previous episodes I heard one of the main characters saying that the servants kinda reflects the master's personality. So, looking at Berserker being soo big strong and ruthless, I can see the resemblance.
shaolinx
2006-04-01, 21:57
Not sure if its a spoiler, but might as well make it one - Illya's actually one year older then Shirou.
yay, my life is ruined... got spoiled.. ah well i knew it when i saw "i waited for 10 years"
SweetSpring
2006-04-01, 22:49
Not sure if its a spoiler, but might as well make it one - Illya's actually one year older then Shirou.
.......then why does Ilya calls him "onii-chan"?!?!?!?
demon_god04
2006-04-01, 23:10
because a loli looking character not calling the male lead onii chan should be a crime:p :heh:
Let me guess, not a fan of the characters that are bad just for people to hate?
Hes a character that you love to hate, I assure you that even though I hate his guts, I throughly enjoy seeing him get whats coming because if his additude and mouth :p :heh:
Even though Ilya looked pretty evil in this ep, I still find her kinda attractive and...er.....cute? The only thing that's scaring me is how she can kill Shinji without flinching and....er.....her age:heh: .
justinstrife
2006-04-01, 23:52
Ilya looked wayyyy older than the loli look she's been carrying throughout the series. I mean, in this episode she actually was looking her age. I was like.... Whoa how can Shirou not be getting 'excited' from her sitting on his lap like that. Do we have another Hiroki here?
demon_god04
2006-04-01, 23:59
some of her expressions make her look that way, and I guess Shirou's more freaked out at being tied up in a crazy girls room then with how hot she is...:heh:
Darkside
2006-04-02, 00:32
I almost felt bad for Shinji when he got clobbered by Berserker xD!
I had a feeling it was going to happen, as there's no way to get off the roof, but to jump or run down the stairs
What I really want to know though is... where the hell has Lancer been! >_<
Eight out of ten for this episode. The actual episode flows a lot better this week, without as many jarring asides as the last one - despite the several flashbacks, they enhance rather than detract from the main experience of this episode.
In reference to Shinji's death... I never hated the character as much as many people here seem to have - in fact, I highly enjoyed him. Certainly, I considered him to be the relative 'scum' of Fate/stay night so far, but all of his scenes were worth watching, he made the show more amusing.
His main crime was, to me, being nowhere near as developed as I would have liked. It would have been so much more interesting to see why Shinji is a twisted and contemptuous psychopath than to, say, have had so much fanservice of his Servant. Sure, market the product, but at least make something there for those who aren't as interested.
Nevertheless, I think that Shinji dying is an important step forward - I am in two minds about the nature of his death. In one sense, i am somewhat relieved that he did not realise the error of his ways and become a monk or some such to atone for it; that would have diluted his character. At the same time though, i would have liked to see some brief flickers of remorse, rather than a cowardly attempt to save his own skin, as we did see.
Still, his death was necessary. Not so much for Shinji's character, but for Ilya's. And, I wish, for Shirou. Shirou hasn't been acting much in character when relating with Shinji - he was, from my watching of the show, a good friend to Shirou before the actual program starts, so Shirou naturally should still have some compassion for the guy. Yes, yes, I'm aware that Shinji has trodden all over that by sucking the life out of the school, imprisoning and abusing Fuji-nee, and generally being a twit, but I didn't mind him doing them, they were useful plot devices. What I did mind was never really seing how Shirou's perspective on one of his oldest friends changed - from one moment of 'hrm, wonder where my ol' buddy Shinji has gone' to 'I will kill you for being a stupid bastard!' Yes, the motivations are there, but we don't see them so much within Shirou.
Anyway, to refer back - Shinji's death is a necessary precursor for us to see what Ilya will be like - or so I am assuming. We've had the nice friendly 'sister' Ilya a few episodes back, which made the Ilya of episode 4 seem incongruous, but now they are revealing more about the 'darker side' of Ilya - where she is perfectly willing and able to order another's death. It is also a nice reflection upon her having some sort of deeper connection with Shirou - Shinji was 'just' another Master, but Shirou is special to her. And that's a nice way to show it - her carelessness to all others, except for him.
It will be interesting to see how Ilya's character evolves in the next episode or two. And also to see how Shirou changes in response - though from the way his attitude to Shinji changed (being off screen and simply assumed), I can't be too hopeful.
As to all the recharging innuendo - I doubt they'll take the game path. The pace of Fate just doesn't seem to be heading towards a sexual element, it would be too incongruous within the context of the rest of the show - fanservice with no respect for the plot (much like a lot of Rider's scenes ;) ). I'm sure they'll amaze us somehow though, or at least attempt to. Will be interesting. ^_^
-Andiyar
Fishbait
2006-04-02, 01:54
Wow...Illya..wow lol
ANyways, the "I waited 10 years for this" kind troubles me, I have some good ideas of what that's about (honestly who doesnt..its anime) so it kind ruins my impression of her somewhat :O
Other than that...hmm, a solid episode...seems like people call any episodes without fights "transition" these days :O
Takayanagi
2006-04-02, 01:56
Man after hearing Ilya I hope she does get killed! Anyone as evil as her deserves to die. She's not happy if she just kills Saber she says she'll come back and kill him, but their is NO NEED after she kills Saber. That is the ultimate evil and the kind of evil that should be killed! The ultimate evil is what Ilya is and just because she's cute others are willing to overlook that. She kills when she doesn't need to. She kills if you don't agree to be her slave. She is EVIL!
Damn, a Kira supporter :(
Not sure if its a spoiler, but might as well make it one - Illya's actually one year older then Shirou.
:twitch:
:D
:love:
Illya -> The loli goddess :D
I have a bad feeling of Illya dying in the next episodes.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-02, 03:43
now you peeps know when I said Ilya creeped me out in game, The anime showed the evil part pretty okay...... only the scene where she is cute and bubbly did not come across as effectively as it should be.
As someone points out, internal monologue will be better for the scene.
hailstorm
2006-04-02, 04:06
I got a feeling Ilya wanted Shirou for her own so that she can be 'recharged' in the future as well... :D
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3144/fsnep13lolilove3qa.jpg
If we get to see a Archer vs Berserker fight next ep that would be pimp. LMAO we'll prolly get to hear Archer says his retarded ass "I am bone of my sword" when he shoots which makes no sense lol.
I got a feeling Ilya wanted Shirou for her own so that she can be 'recharged' in the future as well... :D
Well, I wouldn't blame Shirou if he turned to the dark side. The temptation is too great to ignore :p Shirou you lucky generator you :naughty:
kamikazex
2006-04-02, 06:58
damn..i tried to avoid watching this epsode as long as i could since i get super withdrawals....but DAMN IT WAS GOOD
i waited a frikking week to see shirou's super trace..
and all it did was cause him to cough blood and maybe escape the spell
but its ok since saber's past made up for it..
DAMN SHE HAS A NICE ARMY!!!!!!!!1
damn now back to day 1...7 days until next ep lol
If we get to see a Archer vs Berserker fight next ep that would be pimp. LMAO we'll prolly get to hear Archer says his retarded ass "I am bone of my sword" when he shoots which makes no sense lol.
Doesn't make no sense?
You won't be saying that for much longer.
I got a feeling Ilya wanted Shirou for her own so that she can be 'recharged' in the future as well... :D
I would totally become Ilya's servant.
I don't believe what this forum has turned me into :heh:
Xellos-_^
2006-04-02, 13:16
I would totally become Ilya's servant.
I don't believe what this forum has turned me into :heh:
Illya is cute
Illya is Loli
And according to Angelsama
Illya is legal in all countries :D :naughty:
Illya is cute
Illya is Loli
And according to Angelsama
Illya is legal in all countries :D :naughty:
She's not real though :p Too good to be true :p
Xellos-_^
2006-04-02, 16:51
She's not real though :p Too good to be true :p
What does real life rotta do with it.
What does real life rotta do with it.
Nothing, but I thought I'd point out the cruelty of this world :p
justinstrife
2006-04-02, 18:10
Ya the real world sucks. Give me a remote control that would put me into anime, and you'd never hear from me again.
Except on tv. :D
kamikazex
2006-04-02, 18:11
Ya the real world sucks. Give me a remote control that would put me into anime, and you'd never hear from me again.
Except on tv. :D
lol the same goes for me..let me join you haha
What I really want to know though is... where the hell has Lancer been! >_<
Probably spying, if you haven't noticed the previous eps with Saber's encounter with Assassin.
This thread is really creepy now.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-02, 21:36
how many people here are converted loli lovers?
PastPrime
2006-04-02, 21:42
I wonder if there was some reason that they only showed Merlin's mouth in the flashback and not his entire face.
fict_ticious
2006-04-02, 22:19
They don't show Merlin's face for the same reason they don't show Caster's. A magician never reveals his/her secret!
Xellos-_^
2006-04-02, 23:12
This thread is really creepy now.
It only just got creepy :eyebrow: where have you been for most of the discussion :p
justinstrife
2006-04-02, 23:14
how many people here are converted loli lovers?
Meh. Some of us have been loli-lovers for a few years. :D
For me maybe 20?
Meh. Some of us have been loli-lovers for a few years. :D
For me maybe 20?
I've loved loli since I was a shota.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-03, 02:02
oh kay folks, let's tone down the loli here.
Ilya will be much interesting if the scene where she is talking to Shirou amiably handled with more care. Now most of us here see only the evil side of her. But not her vulnerble, lonely side of hers.
:twitch: I see ONLY her vulnerable, lonely and lovely side :p
Even the most evil loli has a tender side, that's what being a loli is all about :p
Lolis rule :D
kamikazex
2006-04-03, 02:48
the evil side has yet to come
MakubeX2
2006-04-03, 02:50
Ilya will be much interesting if the scene where she is talking to Shirou amiably handled with more care. Now most of us here see only the evil side of her. But not her vulnerble, lonely side of hers.
They'll most likely show it later after
Saber defeats Berserker
with the UBW's Ilya-In-Training-With-Berserker flashback. More of her cute side will be shown however after she moves into Shirou's harem.
kamikazex
2006-04-03, 03:38
dman i knew i shouldnt've read your spoiler tag lol
dman i knew i shouldnt've read your spoiler tag lol
I don't see the reason why you had to post about it.
After watching episode 13 a few more times.. i just want a OST. ;_;
Xellos-_^
2006-04-03, 12:32
So how do you guys think sakura and Tagia well react to Illya once she moves in with Shirou and how is he going to explain Illya :D Shirou is already in enough hot water with Sabre and Rin living there.
^^ isnt that a spoiler? I sure hope not.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-03, 13:16
^^ isnt that a spoiler? I sure hope not.
More speculation since we know Shirou is going to get out the rope and berserker will probably be defeated. And where will illya go but join Shirou's harem. berseker doesn't even have to be defeated to move in. All she has to do is wrap her arms around Shirou and say Onnichan in the cuteest bvoice possible.
All she has to do is wrap her arms around Shirou and say Onnichan in the cuteest bvoice possible.
Those lolis are master diplomats :love:
RedFrame
2006-04-03, 14:08
As expected...
F/S Night 13 reveal the true face of the posters :p .......
~~M.O.E~~
:p
As expected...
F/S Night 13 reveal the true face of the posters :p .......
~~M.O.E~~
:p
:D Care to join the club? (Read my sig for info, you'll know which club :p)
I hope in future episode's we get to see more Arturia, or even better - an OAV showing the story of Arturia but with Saber.. <3
I still have thoughts about the bearded man :p Damn... Why did she have to draw the sword from the rock? :p
JanthraX^
2006-04-03, 14:54
yay! i dunno why but i really liked that episode, not much fighting but great story writing/telling, really enjoyed it and i cant put my finger on why =D,
The dream he had after being paralyzed by Ilya , about wanting to make and hold a sword etc, has that got anything to do with trace and what Rin was saying when she found stuff Shirou had been practicing on in the shed, or has it got something to do with saving saber, hmm hope we find out soon.
OMG Ilya was very scary, she created a great atmosphere with her cute looks and behaviour but with her very menacing speech and actions.
btw this might sound weird but did Rin's chest seem smaller? =D
great ep and the next week we finally get to see Archer own some servant ass!
how many people here are converted loli lovers?
Ever since Shuffle! And it was all because of this forum :)
I hate you guys :D :heh:
j/k
I still have thoughts about the bearded man
The whole bearded man joke has really gotten old now, sorry to say.
Damn... Why did she have to draw the sword from the rock?
To become the King of Britian, i didn't see it being that hard to understand. ^^
The dream he had after being paralyzed by Ilya , about wanting to make and hold a sword etc, has that got anything to do with trace and what Rin was saying when she found stuff Shirou had been practicing on in the shed, or has it got something to do with saving saber, hmm hope we find out soon.
I know spoilers aren't allowed, so.. waaait & see. =D
Damn... Why did she have to draw the sword from the rock? :p
As Angelsama said, being that King of England (I'm quite sure there was no nation of Great Britain back then), it's kinda obvious and if it isn't, wiki it :D
The whole bearded man joke has really gotten old now, sorry to say.
What do you mean "joke"? In my mind, Arthur in F/SN had a gender change surgery, when all other heroes are the traditional gender. That thought still unsettles me.
To become the King of Britian, i didn't see it being that hard to understand. ^^
:uhoh: Right
If you'd look up, you'll find out that Saber is based on King Arthur & Guinevere. I don't think i'll link you to Saber's wiki page, 'cause its full of spoilers, so i'll just link you to King Arthur's & Guinevere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Arthur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinevere
It pretty much explains the gender issue.
It does? Am I missing something? I scanned the entries, didn't find anything, read the entries a bit more carefully, still missing the point. I admit I'm sleepy, so I might have passed the gender issue related passage.
darkchibi07
2006-04-03, 17:15
Ever since Shuffle! And it was all because of this forum :)
I hate you guys :D :heh:
j/k
For me, it's all Shakugan no Shana and that lovely Shana (Hazuki was close)! :love:
Ilya in this episode seriously reinforced it.
For me, it's all Shakugan no Shana and that lovely Shana (Hazuki was close)! :love:
Ilya in this episode seriously reinforced it.
You're forgetting Hecate :love:
It does? Am I missing something? I scanned the entries, didn't find anything, read the entries a bit more carefully, still missing the point. I admit I'm sleepy, so I might have passed the gender issue related passage.
Looks like you're not that good at reading then.
'Guinevere was the Queen consort of King Arthur.'
Thats from the first line.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-03, 17:25
You're forgetting Hecate :love:
Me and npal may have our difference regarding Shuffle and KGNE :rolleyes: but we are on the same page regarding loli :heh: . It is frightern how much can agree on regarding lolis.:twitch:
And darkchibi how could forget Hecate :D
Looks like you're not that good at reading then.
'Guinevere was the Queen consort of King Arthur.'
Thats from the first line.
Well, yes... I knew that. And? You mean Saber is Guinevere?
Me and npal may have our difference regarding Shuffle and KGNE :rolleyes: but we are on the same page regarding loli :heh: . It is frightern how much can agree on regarding lolis.:twitch:
And darkchibi how could forget Hecate :D
Add Canvas 2 to the differences (I'm not makimakiCanvas2writers, although I think a huge thought pattern is missing).
:p Lolis unite the world. Tsk tsk how can people forget THE Shakugan no Shana loli. Hecate practically stole the loli crown from Shana in, what, 2 episodes?
idofgrahf
2006-04-03, 17:32
Just finished watching ep 13, finally shinji died. Anyways, whats up with the name Shinji being attached to losers? from EVA to KGNE to Fate and probably a few others too.
I think its pretty much established that Saber is the original Arthur or Arthura as eclipse translated it as and not Guinevere, besides saber doesn't strike me as the kind of person that screws around with Lancelot.
Looking forward to the next ep, it'll be tough to fight against the god of strength. Wonder how mortals (although heroic spirits) is going to challenge a god. Unless ofcourse archer or Saber are as savage and rutless as Kratos from "God of War"
Well, yes... I knew that. And? You mean Saber is Guinevere?
A quote from a previous post of mine.
If you'd look up, you'll find out that Saber is based on King Arthur & Guinevere.
That really does explain the gender issue..
kamikazex
2006-04-03, 20:49
dood..how can she be a male
are her soldiers wierd? or do men back then wear dresses and lead big armies and look cute
me personally. i think her soldiers prob know shes a girl but call her a king anyways
since that mage guy told him whoever picked that sword up would get the title "king"
no matter how u look at it...how can she be a man?!!
shes a frikking cute anime chick
justinstrife
2006-04-03, 21:01
dood..how can she be a male
are her soldiers wierd? or do men back then wear dresses and lead big armies and look cute
me personally. i think her soldiers prob know shes a girl but call her a king anyways
since that mage guy told him whoever picked that sword up would get the title "king"
no matter how u look at it...how can she be a man?!!
shes a frikking cute anime chick
She isn't a man. It's just that her soldiers don't view her as a woman anymore. She is their King. Not their Queen, but their King(as Merlin said). Hence why she didn't feel at all embarrassed around Shirou a couple episodes back. She doesn't view herself much as a woman either(though I believe Shirou is slowly changing her perspective on that).
Saber is a lot more then just a 'frikking cute anime chick'.
The original King Arthur was male. And the fact that Saber was based on King Arthur & Guinevere means she can stay female and still be Arthur.
Really i don't see why it needs explaning, She's Arturia at the end of the day.
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-04-03, 21:05
gosh, got my internet back :p , was waiting in bedroom for 2 days just to get it back ^_^. anywaysss, just like from previous episodes, gave this a 8, why? well no action? lol, but a nice developing of the characters, we see development of Archer FINALLY holding a BOW = =. As for Shirou, cant wait for the Berserker fight, where we see more and more surprise o.O.
for the loli, shes CUTE yet so EVIL om gosh, i wish i would get tied up T_T. . . .i wanna be her *belonging* xD!!!!!!!!
I personally think that the whole battle between illya and stuf will end up with shiro the victor by him somehow materializing the sword and gaining super power. haha. i dunno its just a geuss of mine although i dont know how to put a spoiler if it would be counted as a spoiler. sry.
ordnance11
2006-04-03, 21:37
My question is...does Archer survive the fight with Berserker?
kamikazex
2006-04-03, 21:41
we'll see next epsode
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-04-03, 22:20
My question is...does Archer survive the fight with Berserker?
im sure u will find that answer in the Q&A thread considering u want the spoiler.
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2006-04-03, 23:53
It's interesting. The animators seemed to be keeping Saber's gender a little ambiguous as she approaches the sword. Maybe you can blame it on the shirt, but from the neck down, she does look somewhat masculine. From the neck up, she looks like a girl. Her hairstyle is feminine as well. She's even using ribbons. Merlin seems to use a feminine version of Arthur as well.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9088/sabersword800x4509mj.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabersword800x4509mj.jpg)
When she's suited up for battle later on, her armour tells a different story. That doesn't look like a man's breastplate.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6241/saberarmy800x4502sy.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=saberarmy800x4502sy.jpg)
She pulled out the sword from the stone, so I guess that makes her king. Assuming she survives, when the war is over, she should head back to the UK and reclaim her throne. I can see it now. "Prime Minister! Inform the Hanoverian pretender that she is to leave Buckingham Palace immediately. Now where is the kitchen?" ;)
kamikazex
2006-04-04, 00:12
I don't see the reason why you had to post about it.
After watching episode 13 a few more times.. i just want a OST. ;_;
lol i watched it a few times also..
frikking good series man
everytime i watch it over
i wanna watch it more its retarded
shaolinx
2006-04-04, 02:16
dood..how can she be a male
are her soldiers wierd? or do men back then wear dresses and lead big armies and look cute
me personally. i think her soldiers prob know shes a girl but call her a king anyways
since that mage guy told him whoever picked that sword up would get the title "king"
no matter how u look at it...how can she be a man?!!
shes a frikking cute anime chick
oh, u didnt know? saber is a cross dressing dude. now do u see why shes called saber de flat? XD
kamikazex
2006-04-04, 02:28
oh, u didnt know? saber is a cross dressing dude. now do u see why shes called saber de flat? XD
lol naww that wouldnt fit
idofgrahf
2006-04-04, 03:15
Uh? how is she flat chested? anyways she can be Arthur because Type moon isn't exactly sticking to convention in poetrying mystical figures. Medusa did not wear a mask, Herc is not 10 feet tall and half demonic or else woman would run from him instead of chasing him. Assasin who was actually a real person most defintly was not that good with a sword or he would not have lost to Mushashi. But then again I don't think people are watching the show to learn about various ancient mythology.
Yeah, but no one had a gender change of all those :p Exaggerating a character trait is one thing, adding things to a character is another, but switching genders is a major change :p
Next thing I know, they'll say Herakles was a female ogre.
kamikazex
2006-04-04, 03:25
saber isnt king author!!!!!! just got the title "king" after she pulled out the sword1!
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-04, 05:53
Imagine Monty Phyton version with Fate's version. Hahahahaha.
I take it people are not listening to what i said about Saber's gender, and why she's female.
Imagine Monty Phyton version with Fate's version. Hahahahaha.
I was planning to watch the movie again, but this time imagine Saber in it.. but i really can't see that working. =P
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-04, 07:26
with british accent and wit, guess not.
Arthur is a legend, so the person can be female or male. TYPEMOON using this ambuigity as license to create their own version of Arthur.
Arthur is a legend, so the person can be female or male. TYPEMOON using this ambuigity as license to create their own version of Arthur.
Yep, there's yet another reason to why King Arthur in the Type-Moon world is female.. but still people have to keep wondering why.
fict_ticious
2006-04-04, 09:41
Arthur is a legend, so the person can be female or male. TYPEMOON using this ambuigity as license to create their own version of Arthur.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, for stating it so eloquently. I'm a little frustrated w/ seeing more and more "arthur != girl != saber" ('!=' denotes 'not equal to'), but I don't want to be a pain-in-the-rear so I try to contain myself. Oh, they did the monty python thing over at blogsuki somewhere... credits to the author:
(from the comments section of this blog (http://www.yayapapayaz.com/handofgory/2006/04/02/fatestay-night-13) author alias "W4")
[Captain] Our king is the god of war. He always stands on the frontline and does not know defeat.
[Soldier 1] “She,” sir.
[Captain] What was that?
[Soldier 1] Our king is a woman, sir.
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that.
[Captain] He always stands on the frontline and does not know defeat! No one can stand in the way of-
[Soldier 1] Forgive me for speaking out of turn, Captain, but that’s definitely a woman.
[Soldier 3] Though it might be a man with coconuts in his armor.
[Soldier 2] Are you trying to say that our king carries fruits in her chest?
[Captain] His chest! Look! Our king’s dauntless figure has not changed since he-
[Soldier 1] “She,’ sir.
[Captain] QUIET! Our king has not changed since he pulled out the sword of selection! The king does not age, and he certainly does not walk around with coconuts pressed to his chest!
[Soldier 3] So our king is a woman.
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that!
[Soldier 1] I’m so glad that I’m not the only one here that can see the blooming obvious!
[Captain] Stop speaking of our king as if he were some common two-pence tramp! He, and I do mean he, is the incarnation of a dragon! He will lead us to victory against-
[Soldier 1] “She,” sir!
[Captain] I’ve had enough out of you!
[Soldier 1] With all due respect, Captain, you’re a bloody loony! I am loyal to the king, but the king is a woman!
[Soldier 2] And quite a looker at that!
[Soldier 3] I wouldn’t mind having a quickie with her, if you know what I mean!
[Captain] ENOUGH! Our king is the blooming god of war! He does not walk around with coconuts in his chest, he is not quite a looker, and there will be no having quickies with our king!
[Saber] Is there a problem, Captain?
[Captain] Y… your majesty, I-
[Soldier 1] Your majesty… you’re a woman, right?
[Saber] …my gender is meaningless. I am the wielder of Excalibur and the King of Britain.
[Soldier 3] …so she’s a hermaphrodite?
tragicsmile
2006-04-04, 09:44
Win and Gold. :D
Yes, that's EXACTLY how I feel about the "Saber=Arthur" issue (but in a different perspective). It's nice if you want to have a quick laugh, I mean, Monty would be really happy and all, but... UGH :twitch: Herakles is a legend as well, but I don't see anyone turning him into a woman :p Unless you're Disney, then you butcher every myth and fairytale you can find to suit your fancy :p Plus, there are a whole bunch of historians with a specific theory about who's the historical Arthur.
TYPEMOON just took a liberty, I don't like it, no one has to agree with me, but I'm still thinking of beards.
The original idea was to have Saber being male, and Shirou female - imo its better of the way it is, mainly for the story side of it all.
I can understand that, I wouldn't be playing an ero-game with the main character being female :p They could have made them both male and create Archer-type interactions between them. I bet it could have worked out some way or another, if they know how to write a good story. Unless every other Master-Servant pair is strictly one male-one female.
Oh well, apparently some people had the right idea, but like most other right ideas, it goes to the Shuffle bin (like the Canvas2 reasonable ending :p)
But I do enjoy seeing a honorable knight, be it male or female, I'm into that sort of stuff.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-04, 10:54
I just notice with 2 weeks worth of loli discussion, KiNa haven't once commented on the subject.
What happen to KiNa?
I just notice with 2 weeks worth of loli discussion, KiNa haven't once commented on the subject.
What happen to KiNa?
He saw my fervor and decided he didn't need to butt in, he can rest easy now, knowing his work is well done.
All hail ME, the loli king :p
All hail ME, the loli king :p
Well, i have my problems to imagine you as a loli.. with 23 old age... :)
Well, dont get upset. i even older then you... yes, my age is true. no fake.
Mfg,
Seska
I said I'm the loli King, I didn't say I'm loli myself :p
Just for the record, King-> MALE (unlike Saber)
Just for the record, King-> MALE (unlike Saber)
There's no official records saying that King's have to be Males.
Like the sword in the stone, anyone could have lifted it, Female or Male.
Eh... Yes... It has... You call a male ruler of a kingdom or country, KING, likewise, you call a female ruler of a kingdom or country, QUEEN, or is it King Elizabeth of England? :p
The first definition of king is -> |male| sovereign (easily found in wikipedia or lexicon)
But I was talking about myself cause someone had trouble picturing me as loli :p which I can't be, I don't remember boys being "loli"
The word King doesn't actually mean male, but if thats what you wanna believe, then i'm not gonna argue about it.
Oh, and what does it mean? Should I believe you or a dictionary?
Me, of course.
At the end of the day, Saber became the king in the Type-Moon world, and there's nothing left to understand about that - yes the real King Arthur was male, but i believe back then a woman could have lifted the sword.. it could have happened.
Me, of course.
Yes, Oh Mighty Lord who created Greek, English, Latin and every other language upon this world. Yours alone is the knowledge and let all tremble at the sound of your voice and marvel at your supreme reason!
:eyespin:
Well yes, but then she would've been named Queen. After all, apparently, the British have no problem being ruled by a female.
demon_god04
2006-04-04, 11:50
you also have to consider the situation and time period as well, remember the people at that time would not have viewed a woman to be a capabile leader, and more then anything during that time the people needed hope. A leader that would save them, they needed a new king and thats what Saber became.
Yes, Oh Mighty Lord who created Greek, English, Latin and every other language upon this world. Yours alone is the knowledge and let all tremble at the sound of your voice and marvel at your supreme reason!
I'm glad you've heard about me.
After all, apparently, the British have no problem being ruled by a female.
I'm british, and i think i'll ignore what you said - this is not the place to talk about such things, this is Fate talk~
you also have to consider the situation and time period as well, remember the people at that time would not have viewed a woman to be a capabile leader, and more then anything during that time the people needed hope. A leader that would save them, they needed a new king and thats what Saber became.
Heh, looks like you understand it. ^^
Village Idiot
2006-04-04, 11:57
Also its important to take note that in the Type-Moon universe, the Heroic Spirits are based off the real person, not the countless myths/legends/stories that have been written by people, and re-written time after time again throughout history.
Yeah, and that explains Saber all over - same goes for Berserker too.
demon_god04
2006-04-04, 11:59
Well History is not absolute and mostly up to interpretation of availible data, especially in the time period we are talking about, its not so hard to imagine that a woman assuming the mantle of leadership and being so good at it that the people at that time refer to her has a man because its considered a compliment.
I'm glad you've heard about me.
you forgot to mention that you stole my patent on those languages :p im the actural creator of greek and latin. *goes off to plan the lawsuit*:heh:
& then it brings up back to F/SN, where Shirou is treating Saber like a woma, not a king. And as we've seen in the past few episodes, she's been taking strange reactions towards it.
you forgot to mention that you stole my patent on those languages :p im the actural creator of greek and latin. *goes off to plan the lawsuit*:heh:
Heh, you've beat me on this one.. maybe i'll talk Saber into backing me up. ^^;
its not so hard to imagine that a woman assuming the mantle of leadership and being so good at it that the people at that time refer to her has a man because its considered a compliment.
Are there relevant documents or folklore about that particular comment?
Edit: oops, typo
Oh yeah, and can anyone tell me what kind of armor Saber and her soldiers are wearing?
demon_god04
2006-04-04, 12:12
& then it brings up back to F/SN, where Shirou is treating Saber like a woma, not a king. And as we've seen in the past few episodes, she's been taking strange reactions towards it.
and that makes her so cute especially when doing things that skews Shirou's views on what girls do:heh:
Heh, you've beat me on this one.. maybe i'll talk Saber into backing me up. ^^;
pfft what can Saber do in a lawsuit:p the pen is mightier then the sword I tell you!!!
*doesnt want to be held responsible for derailing a thread* :heh: *goes to play Kingdom Hearts 2 and pities the people who have yet to play it*:heh: :heh:
-edit-
Are there relevant documents or folklore about that particular comment?
We dont really need to go back that far in history for this, the feminist movement is still fairly recent in context to the time period we are talking about. Not to mention that until then female writers have been know to use male pen names so their works would be taking seriously. If I can pry myself from KH2 I can find you some sources though but thats proving to be the hard part.... :p :heh:
Oh yeah, and can anyone tell me what kind of armor Saber and her soldiers are wearing?
Saber's armor is just a new armor design made by Type-Moon.
As for her soldiers, just looks like common soldier armor to me.
pfft what can Saber do in a lawsuit:p the pen is mightier then the sword I tell you!!!
Heh, you'll be amazed at what Saber can do. ^^
Yes, I was asking whether it's chain, plate, or full body plate suit.
Well, the common armor for a soldier would be what you have said - though for Saber's armor, i don't even think its been talked about, even in the game.
demon_god04
2006-04-04, 12:24
damn you guys reply so quick I didnt need to edit my post -.-:p
about the armour, looks like a form of partial plate armour, chainmail should be a bit too advanced for that timeframe but im not sure about that. Might be a safe bet to say it might be derived from the armour that the Roman legions used but dont quote me on that.
Well, if it's ANY time of plate (be it partial or otherwise) the timeline is 1200-1500 A.D. At about that time, there were two prominent historical females figures, Matilda(1100-1200, can't remember exactly when) (who almost became first Queen of Englang, pronounced Domina Anglorum AND was allowed to enter London) and Elizabeth the I (1500-1600, again can't remember specific year), the first crowned Queen of England.
While sources make it obvious that having a female ruler was not viewed well, the sources report (explicitly or implicitly) that this wasn't the main reason that deprived Matilda of the throne after she entered London. And of course, Elizabeth I established a series of female monarchs in Britain.
And my whole point is
i) By definition, KING refers to a male monarch.
ii) The time period for the armor is wrong. Even if the soldiers were chain or leather (yeah right), Saber's armor is neither chain, nor leather.
iii) The earliest cases of female monarchs in England suggest that it was possible, if the person was and able leader, to become a female monarch (a.k.a. Queen) in England despite the general notion that permeated that particular era.
iv) Unless there are specific documents or folklore that shows that it was honorary for females to be referred to as men when they were very capable (to lead at least), I will not take it into consideration.
And the conclusion is :
i) THEY COULD HAVE SAID SHE WAS A FREAKIN' QUEEN!
ii) It's still historically inaccurate, if it's supposedly based on the real person rather than the myths. If it comes to that, I could easily say that there was Heraklia, the Legendary female warrior, who people named Herakles because she was stronger than most men. Yeah, I could do that, but DUH!
And the whole point of this discussion is to demonstrate that SINCE it's purely artistic
i) You can't base your reasoning on any facts (be it historic or otherwise) to support something that doesn't care about that logic from the start.
Meaning that, I have every right to say that I don't like the traditional gender change and no one can prove me wrong, because if he tries to use FACTS, all the above things apply.
So anyway, I won't be bothered again with that particular argument. I think I made my point.
...cuted...
in the Animes, is like in the Action movies. RL pysichs, Biologie, History and so on. are only there for amusing the viewers, to get in touch with the story, with the chars to give them more live.
1.st rule. In a anime, alls pysical, Biologie, History are not to compere with Real Life ones... Even geografie at times :)
Mfg,
Seska
p.s. yes, i know, but its more fun to talk about it :)
Maybe the soldiers in England at that time, ~AD 500, felt more comfortable referring to their leaders, be it male or female, as a man. Or they just want to make the prophecy seem truer, since it says a king, they probably weren't expecting a female to pull the sword, but that's what they got, so they just go along with it for convenience's sake.
PastPrime
2006-04-04, 13:18
Anyone that watches an Anime should watch it in the context of it's universe and not argue about it. This King argument is as stupid as the arguments about something not being possible in a Magical Girl show. The idea that it's believable that girls could fly and shoot magic beams at each other, but it's no possible for someone to survive that fall. If you can show me where this is REALLY HAPPENING somewhere in our world then the argument might be valid. If you can't, then accept it as what happened in the Fate/Stay Night universe.
idofgrahf
2006-04-04, 15:05
I think his point is they could have simply called her Queen instead of King, just as you call Agustus Ceaser Emperor not Empress. However this argument is getting wired, we are ofcourse assuming that Arthur exist to begin with, but because there is no conclusive proof of his existance the he could have been a She. Unlike other figures that we know could not have existed such as Herc is just that a myth, there is at least some debate of Arthur. I think thats what Type moon is playing at here.
yeah, they take the "Spirits" only cause of they Skills in lifetimes.
Saber
King. Strong fighter (like a Dragon). Good Leader.
Rider
Fighter? well, anyway, should be more a magic type. This one here ist much agility.
Archer
well, dont saw any action yet with his true skills. The littel clash at the begining dosent count. That was not a Bow he used :)
Hercules
Incredible strong (god-like powers).. Well, at last he should be a half-god. Good choice to be a beserker class.
and i dont think, they takem them cause of their background....
Its just picking the good ones, to make a good anime.
Mfg,
Seska
idofgrahf
2006-04-04, 15:25
Hercules is half God or full God depending on the timeline. Since he is a myth they could potray him however they want, although from all the stories he is know to be quite cunning and not stupid like most beserkers seems to be.
Since all of these people except for assain are probably not real they can make up their backgrounds.
Also the reason they could get away with making Arthur a female, there is no proof that Arthur wasn't a female. Now if they were to make real life figures like Boudicca, the Iceni Queen a male or Gaius Suetonius Paulinus (the Roman commander who crushed Boudicca at walting street) a female then I can see why people would have a problem since there are reliable records of their existance ( Tacitus recorded the battle 50 years later, pretty acuratly considering that his Father in law was one of Paulinus advisors during that battle) proving Boudicca is female and Paulinus was a male. But no such detailed records exist for Arthur.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-04, 15:29
Hercules is half God or full God depending on the timeline. Since he is a myth they could potray him however they want, although from all the stories he is know to be quite cunning and not stupid like most beserkers seems to be.
hercs imo was not a good choice fro berserker class since in his battle always use his brains and plan well ahead for his battles. Thor or a one of the more famous vikings would have fit the berserker class better.
Well another try then...
What comes in your Mind if you hear about this names?
King Arthur?
Hercules?
Robin Hood?
Medusa?
Thor? I know him only as a Hammer swing Thundergod. Hows daddy is Odin...
Well the others i dont know, i only know the "Western" Myth legends...
Do you get my point, what im trying to say?
With this littel trick, they save some time and money. They dont need to explain much about them. Cause, this types you learn yourself the background....
So they save money to create a background storie for them. and im sure the other ones (Asia names) are famous, too. And dont need to be explain...
Only WHAT they are is a secret, but if you will know the name. you will say "Ahhhhh, its him/her they can do this and that..."
Mfg,
Seska
idofgrahf
2006-04-04, 15:37
Well another try then...
What comes in your Mind if you hear about this names?
King Arthur?
Hercules?
Robin Hood?
Medusa?
Well the others i dont know, i only know the "Western" Myth legends...
Do you get my point, what im trying to say?
With this littel trick, they save some time and money. They dont need to explain much about them. Cause, this types you learn yourself the background....
So they save money to create a background storie for them. and im sure the other ones (Asia names) are famous, too. And dont need to be explain...
Only WHAT they are is a secret, but if you will know the name. you will say "Ahhhhh, its him/her they can do this and that..."
Mfg,
Seska
How do you know that Archer is Robin Hood?
Assasin was not very famous, at least to none japanese like myself, I've never heard of him.
Many people know the name of medusa and what she can do but not her background story, its not as obvious as you might think.
I've played the game and archer is not Robin, I'm not telling who he really is but Robin he is not
How do you know that Archer is Robin Hood?
Assasin was not very famous, at least to none japanese like myself, I've never heard of him.
I've played the game and archer is not Robin, I'm not telling who he really is but Robin he is not
well, was a guess in the black. Thanks to you, now i know that hes not...
I dont played the game...
Mfg,
Seska
I think his point is wasn't that. More like it's very easy to establish characters if they resemble stereotypes, and you don't need to explain much. If you create a male knight wearing a crown, wielding a sword and shouting Excalibur, you don't ask questions :p
I don't think he impied Archer is Robin Hood, but if I see Robin Hood, the first thing that comes to mind is a Ranger with a bow. Of course it could be someone else with a bow, and not Robin, but some myths are well known and you needn't bother explaining or altering them. They can do most of your job for you.
Or did you mean something else?
I think his point is wasn't that. More like it's very easy to establish characters if they resemble stereotypes, and you don't need to explain much. If you create a male knight wearing a crown, wielding a sword and shouting Excalibur, you don't ask questions :p
I don't think he impied Archer is Robin Hood, but if I see Robin Hood, the first thing that comes to mind is a Ranger with a bow. Of course it could be someone else with a bow, and not Robin, but some myths are well known and you needn't bother explaining or altering them. They can do most of your job for you.
Or did you mean something else?
No, you catch my point. Thats was i trying to say...
Mfg,
Seska
No, you catch my point. Thats was i trying to say...
Mfg,
Seska
And of course, if you insist that King Arthur is a woman, you're pissing loyal Arthur fans like me :p At least say "we have no King Arthur here, it was always Queen Arturia and her Knights of the Round Table". Tsk tsk... Infidels...
I did some research and I found out that saber's story does not really match the myth story we know.
Saber> is to king Arthur.
Excalibur> is the sword not put form the stone but was taken form the lake. "Lady of the lake"
This interesting part is that after all my research I found one myth that tell of a woman that held the Excalibur as her weapon. The story goes on saying that her kingdom was not invaded but a civil war that started and brought the kingdom to the brink destruction. It was said that there was about 4 powerful people with different powers. Then she finally used the power of the sword to …
Funny thing was it never told the end, whether she succeeded or not. If there were 4 powerful people, in this story there were 7 masters and 7 servants. Makes me wonder how all this myths are connected. I am kind of puzzled. I don’t think this book is even real.
Excalibur> is the sword not put form the stone but was taken form the lake. "Lady of the lake"
In episode 13, Excalibur was not the sword that Saber pulled out of the stone, it was Caliburn.
shaolinx
2006-04-04, 17:06
However this argument is getting wired, we are ofcourse assuming that Arthur exist to begin with, but because there is no conclusive proof of his existance the he could have been a She.
i dont get your point... this is like saying. 'although zues from geek mythlogy is may or not may be real, we dont have real proof that he could have been a she.' of course we dont know if a character in a myth is a he or she, but using verious other facts from the myth, aka. KING arthur, we can be sure arthur is a he. if everyone followed ur response, then whats the point using, he, she, or queen or king?, those words would be meaningless, snice we dont have proof.
i dont get your point... this is like saying. 'although zues from geek mythlogy is may or not may be real, we dont have real proof that he could have been a she.' of course we dont know if a character in a myth is a he or she, but using verious other facts from the myth, aka. KING arthur, we can be sure arthur is a he. if everyone followed ur response, then whats the point using, he, she, or queen or king?, those words would be meaningless, snice we dont have proof.
EXACTLY my point! Thank God someone actually got it. Hope I haven't given you a cookie yet :D
Hmm has anyone even listened to what VI said?
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=519502&postcount=186
In episode 13, Excalibur was not the sword that Saber pulled out of the stone, it was Caliburn.
I know what I mean is that in main myth says it's from the lake. and many people dont know about the lake part.
idofgrahf
2006-04-04, 17:55
i dont get your point... this is like saying. 'although zues from geek mythlogy is may or not may be real, we dont have real proof that he could have been a she.' of course we dont know if a character in a myth is a he or she, but using verious other facts from the myth, aka. KING arthur, we can be sure arthur is a he. if everyone followed ur response, then whats the point using, he, she, or queen or king?, those words would be meaningless, snice we dont have proof.
I think you got my point just fine, since we don't know for a fact that Arthur existed at all, the he could be a she. And the word king could have just as easily meant something else during that time just as the word Barbarians orignally meant all that is none Greek and did not have the negative connotation attached to it.
Zeus ( not zues) is King of the Gods and is a form of worship hence religion, I don't see how you draw the analogy, no one is worshiping Arthur as a God. Religion is based of faith you either believe it or you don't proof is not required. But since Arthur is not tied to any religion that I know of, you need to prove his/her existance. There are no FACTS in myth, there are several version on how Achillies died, fact is something you prove and you can't prove a myth thats why its called a myth to begin with. There is generally accepted Canon within that myth but that does not mean it is fact. I however do agree that they should have just used queen Arthur and state it clearly that this is an alterate unverise. They stick to Canon in some character but not in others it is kinda annoying.
Better yet they could have simply used Boudica as saber, she is just as well known at least in england and she certianly has a lot of regrets and would love to do things over again. (maybe use more of her brain cells, not charge the Roman legions head on and getting slaughtered)
justinstrife
2006-04-04, 18:25
npal needs to just enjoy the show for what it is, and accept the fact that King Arthur, in the Type Moon universe, is female and that's that. Seriously, you can't take history lessons from 99.9% of anime out there, so why take it as such? I like the idea, and have been rolling with it no problem. Don't get hung up on something that just adds flavor to the story.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-04, 18:28
We need stop going off topic
lets get back to the all important loli topic :D
npal needs to just enjoy the show for what it is, and accept the fact that King Arthur, in the Type Moon universe, is female and that's that. Seriously, you can't take history lessons from 99.9% of anime out there, so why take it as such? I like the idea, and have been rolling with it no problem. Don't get hung up on something that just adds flavor to the story.
You're 100% right there, lets just hope npal and understand what you're saying.
We need stop going off topic
We're talking about Saber being King Arthur, and seems as though she appeared as that in episode 13 - then i think thats right on topic.
fict_ticious
2006-04-04, 20:53
I agree. Back to the loli.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/fict_ticious/juggernaught.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/fict_ticious/leeroy.jpg
kamikazex
2006-04-04, 20:59
noooooooooo not loli crap again
saber = girl lol
GIRL!!
fict_ticious
2006-04-04, 21:00
And quite the looker, I might add.
I guess my prediction was correct, that this episode would lack action, and it would take 85% of the episode for Saber to recover and get ready for the next episode battle. Can this be the end of Ilya? Since I am guessing now that Shirou is going to take down the masters one by one now, episode by episode.
I gave this episode a 7, ok, but not as joyfull as the last episode, however good that Shirou is worrying about Saber's condition, and Saber is worrying about Shirou.
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2006-04-05, 01:26
I know what I mean is that in main myth says it's from the lake. and many people dont know about the lake part.
The sword and the stone story is thought to come from a poem written in the early 13th Century called Merlin. It actually predates the lady of the lake story. As myths go, it's as valid as anything else. The lady of the lake version was written some time later in a cycle of poems called the Post-Vulgate Cycle. It all depends on the story or poem you're reading. There really isn't a main myth. Both the "sword and stone" and "lady of the lake" versions were written in France. The English at the time had a less romantic but more plausible origin for the sword.
Arthur's sword was called Caledfwich for a while, which makes sense. The earliest known references to Arthur were from Welsh sources. The name was later latinized to Caiburnus or Caliburn, which is a good thing, because I can't pronounce Caledfwich for the life of me. :) When the stories travelled across the channel to continental Europe, Caliburn was altered to Excalibur.
kamikazex
2006-04-05, 01:52
nice that explains alot
demon_god04
2006-04-05, 11:14
and to furthur confuse people, there are actually 2 differant people that could be Arthur from known accounts. One was a Roman comander I believe and the other I forget, video games are rotting my mind -.-:heh:
hm I guess the loli topic has been exhausted?:heh:
Yes, there are various theories about the historical figure.
The loli topic is never exhausted! :p (unless the lolis exhaust us :cool:)
demon_god04
2006-04-05, 11:43
The loli topic is never exhausted! :p (unless the lolis exhaust us :cool:)
are you trying to imply that you do strenuous activities with underage girls?:eyespin: :heh:
Xellos-_^
2006-04-05, 11:57
are you trying to imply that you do strenuous activities with underage girls?:eyespin: :heh:
It takes a lot of energy to support a loli on your lap all day long :uhoh: :heh:
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-05, 12:02
are you trying to imply that you do strenuous activities with underage girls?:eyespin: :heh:
Define strenuous. :naughty:
I was MERELY implying that lolis are bad tempered, headstrong and irrational and as such, are difficult to handle :p. I explicitly deny suggesting or being involved in any illegal activities regarding lolies.
:p @demon_god04, doesn't that mean that you possess a dirty mind regarding underage girls? :p :eyespin:
lalala... I'm soooo :innocent:
fict_ticious
2006-04-05, 12:22
OOOoooooook, there. I'm starting to be dissuaded by the loli-side.
demon_god04
2006-04-05, 12:23
hm you may be right, my mind has been warped by continuous reading of animesuki's posts!!!! OH NO Im going to phone that jackass tompson or whats his name and have him sue the internet for me for warping my pure and innocent mind...:heh: :heh:
:p
PastPrime
2006-04-05, 13:37
I think that Ilya needs a sword or a gun. Loli's always look better with a sword or a gun.
I think that Ilya needs a sword or a gun. Loli's always look better with a sword or a gun.
I really don't think that would suit Illya's personality, She's not Shana.
Xellos-_^
2006-04-05, 13:45
I think that Ilya needs a sword or a gun. Loli's always look better with a sword or a gun.
A loli doesn't really need a weapon they are weapon.
All llya has to do is go into the middle of a big crowd of people and start crying points at shirou and says shirou is picking on her. Shirou would be in big trouble then.
The power of the loli is amazing isn't it.
All llya has to do is go into the middle of a big crowd of people and start crying points at shirou and says shirou is picking on her. Shirou would be in big trouble then.
Heh, She's got Berserker for that... and the twins of course.
stillmissing
2006-04-05, 14:11
Armed Ilya.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/626/snap28874up.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap28874up.jpg)
It's the little Shirou charm attached that really makes it though.
In F/HA, She's allowed to have some fun with weapons. ^^;
JanthraX^
2006-04-05, 14:48
I was MERELY implying that lolis are bad tempered, headstrong and irrational and as such, are difficult to handle :p. I explicitly deny suggesting or being involved in any illegal activities regarding lolies.
:p @demon_god04, doesn't that mean that you possess a dirty mind regarding underage girls? :p :eyespin:
lalala... I'm soooo :innocent:
lol you seem to be fighting quite a few 'accusations' lately and you are covering your back quite well, as is expected of the loli-master =D,
anyway Ilya with a weapon sounds very fun, but with berserker its a perfect pairing, i can see beserker as the overly protective big brother =D
lol you seem to be fighting quite a few 'accusations' lately and you are covering your back quite well, as is expected of the loli-master =D,
anyway Ilya with a weapon sounds very fun, but with berserker its a perfect pairing, i can see beserker as the overly protective big brother =D
Of course I am :p I have many lolis to take good care of :D
I wouldn't want to anger THAT big brother :uhoh:
Wow the Loli talks are still continueing from episode 12 discussion.
Well Ilya is just you cliche cute little girl, that has a sense of evil in her, with the big monster as the back up.
justinstrife
2006-04-05, 19:28
I think we can all guess how Ilya got Berserker as her servant. Hercules is really a loli-con too!
I think we can all guess how Ilya got Berserker as her servant. Hercules is really a loli-con too!
That, or he's just got a thing for purple.
There is a LOT of purple in this series...
shaolinx
2006-04-05, 20:14
purple? i like purple.... rider and Ilya is very purple :>
stormy001_M1A2
2006-04-05, 21:48
Purple is Persian Empire colour for royalty. It is the most expensive dye to make because it comes from rare sea shells.
kamikazex
2006-04-05, 22:59
blue is cooler..so is whatever rin's color is lol
That, or he's just got a thing for purple.
No, I believe he's definitely a loli-con. I mean, what does a big guy like him have to do with the colour purple?
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