Why is One Piece less popular than Bleach/Naruto [Archive]

Ichy

2006-04-05, 13:09

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 13:42

I started off watching Bleach and Naruto and have watched every single one. Now with the current filler series I decided I needed something else to watch. So I went ahead and tried One Piece just for the hell of it.

OMG it is awesome. I have watched up to eps 170 and loved every single episode. Despite having as many episodes as naruto it has not had one lousy filler. In fact it only has about 4 or 5 filler type episodes at all. It is always exciting and unpredictable.

It has a sense of adventure that the others lack. Oh and it is definitely funnier.

Now I love naruto and bleach, One piece doesnt have the "wow cool" factor that they do.

My main thought is why is One Piece less popular. Any ideas?
Less popular how? Cause a forum nor the US represent overall popularity. In case you are refering to either the two it remains that some people don't get through One Piece's unique look thinking superficially that since it doesn't look like just another anime or the goofiness involved that it isn't worth going through, the crappy dub version from 4kids isn't gonna increased fans, and again that One Piece doesn't go out of its way to look overly Japanese where Naruto has ninjas, though you really couldn't call them that if you watch the show, and Bleach having its distinct Shinigamis that use katanas.

Yotsuba

2006-04-05, 14:05

I started off watching Bleach and Naruto and have watched every single one. Now with the current filler series I decided I needed something else to watch. So I went ahead and tried One Piece just for the hell of it.

OMG it is awesome. I have watched up to eps 170 and loved every single episode. Despite having as many episodes as naruto it has not had one lousy filler. In fact it only has about 4 or 5 filler type episodes at all. It is always exciting and unpredictable.

It has a sense of adventure that the others lack. Oh and it is definitely funnier.

Now I love naruto and bleach, One piece doesnt have the "wow cool" factor that they do.

My main thought is why is One Piece less popular. Any ideas?

I just don't like the anime. I prefer manga. Although that goes for all the series.. I don't know, I sort of find it long winded, but that goes for most shounen manga. Too many arcs and fillers, etc. I usually just peak in at Naruto every few chapters to see if anything has happened, since it can take like 5-10 chapters for a single battle in some cases. I think One Piece is just less hyped, to be honest. Or maybe people would rather see ninjas than pirates?

Chuixupu

2006-04-05, 14:35

Well, truth is, in America, the Naruto manga is selling way better than the One Piece manga. The animes of both shows are doing pretty much just as well. But in Japan, One Piece sells more manga than Naruto, and the animes are similar in popularity. The ratings for both shows go up and down. OP is still one of the most popular animes in Japan, and one of THE best selling mangas in history.

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 14:50

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't One Piece the number #1 rated anime in all of Japan?? I've read that a few times...

The only reason it isn't as popular in the forum world is because for the longest time you had no clue when a new episode would be availiable...When the episodes have no consistency of release then you can't discuss each ep like you can in the Naruto and Bleach forum...You know every Tues night you'll be able to see Bleach and every Wed night you'll see Naruto, but OP is all over the place...And discussion is what breeds hype...

Also it doesn't help that people who have no clue about the real OP only have the dub to work off which has sorely ruined any great potential for One Piece in the states...

chucky

2006-04-05, 15:00

Well, one piece's setting may be a bit too... "western" and I wont be surprised a lot of US audiences/manga fans etc may have found it too familiar, unlike the always fascinating ninjitzu with its "orientalist" flavour here and there.....

That being said, true, OP has a more robust and concrete story, the adaption to anime is well done...... Naruto and Bleach, especially the latter, in many cases can't even minimally convince me the mangake know what they are trying to do, and their adaptions are very average if not sub-par (esp the case of bleach which is just absolutely terrible). But again, Jump series always got their readers, the adaptations their audiences, and that's a fact of life.

Phenomenal

2006-04-05, 15:44

Well One Piece is the most popular manga in Japan, and Naruto is not far behind. Only reason why they are both only that popular in japan is because World Wide they are not that popular like a Dragonball!

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 15:50

Phenomenal

2006-04-05, 15:54

World wide they are not that popular like Dragonball how? Last I check over a 100 million volumes of One Piece were sold worldwide much less multiple nations liscensing the show. Really, Dragonball is pretty much old news.

I know that they sold over 100 million copies, but how much of One Piece is actually known all over the world like a Dragonball. I know Dragonball is old new I am just using that as an example. Most of One Piece is popular in Japan and maybe some parts of America.

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 16:15

World wide they are not that popular like Dragonball how? Last I check over a 100 million volumes of One Piece were sold worldwide much less multiple nations liscensing the show. Really, Dragonball is pretty much old news.

Neodrag c'mon...In terms of Americanizing anime none these shows can come close to messing with DBZ...Hell it's DBZ's fault this crappy a$$ OP dub even exists cause when DBZ ended every cartoon block started looking for the next DBZ...DBZ won the world's best cartoon like 7 outta 10 years or something like that (can't remember the actual name of that award which veiwed every cartoon all over the world)...I can't stand when people pi$$ on DBZ when it was the standard of this genre (Not saying this is what you're doing)...Dragonball is old news because it finally ran it's course, but as much as i love One piece Dragonball doesn't bow down to any anime in terms of the impact of popularity...In it's intial run DBZ was as popular if not way more popular than One Piece...Only Yu yu hakusho came close to sharing the spotlight in Japanese TV ratings...

Sazelyt

2006-04-05, 16:20

For Naruto and Bleach, the intensity/forwarding-density is higher, you can get to the rhythm of the story in a short period. That is not the case with One Piece.

It is too long, and it takes quite some time to catch that rhythm. The style of backgrounds, slow-by-slow character additions, etc., may not come that attractive to many here.

Also, sometimes anime is the main driving force and the slowliness/unavaliability of fansubbing is one of the reasons that drives away or not attract the fans. I got into Bleach and Naruto manga after watching the anime. Everything the Japanese have was also available here. But, I don't think that was the case with One Piece -at least in terms of anime. And currently after 26x episodes, it is a bit too difficult for many to catch up with. But, I believe that One Piece will most probably steadily increase its popularity ratings outside of Japan.

Slayerx

2006-04-05, 17:22

Y'know i noticed that one piece seems to starts out alot slower then bleach and naruto... i found that bleach and naruto can get you hooked pretty quickly, while One piece takes more time... I also notice that there a some poeple who really just don't like the art style; personally i like One pice's art style, it has a lot of flavor to it... The slow start combined with a somewhat unfavorable art style can easily turn off a few poeple; then end up dropping the series after the first few eps, not realizing how awsome its going to be once it picks up...

Personally, what i think is the most awsome thing about One piece is how utterly unlimited it is in terms of lengths... i mean, most 100+ episode series are only that long because they tried to drag it on WAY longer then it should have been (Inuyasha, DBZ)... One piece on the otherhand is currently at 250+ episodes and shows now sign of slowing down and doesn't feel like its dragging on... Oda successfully found a way to make a story that lasts a long time yet doesn't drag on... i think Naruto could have also pulled it off too, but it's too late for them now... if they go too far beyond Oro and Ataksuki, or if either becomes like naraku in inuyasha, it will just start to drag...

As for whats being said for DBZ... in the long run, overall, i don't like it... however, i give it credit where credit is due; it did alot for the world of anime... you can't deny that it had quite the impact

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 17:28

Neodrag c'mon...In terms of Americanizing anime none these shows can come close to messing with DBZ...Hell it's DBZ's fault this crappy a$$ OP dub even exists cause when DBZ ended every cartoon block started looking for the next DBZ...DBZ won the world's best cartoon like 7 outta 10 years or something like that (can't remember the actual name of that award which veiwed every cartoon all over the world)...I can't stand when people pi$$ on DBZ when it was the standard of this genre (Not saying this is what you're doing)...Dragonball is old news because it finally ran it's course, but as much as i love One piece Dragonball doesn't bow down to any anime in terms of the impact of popularity...In it's intial run DBZ was as popular if not way more popular than One Piece...Only Yu yu hakusho came close to sharing the spotlight in Japanese TV ratings...
It's fun pushing the buttons of (former) DBZ fans. It remains that One Piece is a product with a worldwide audience in which hopefully it doesn't get ripped on as much after it ends, though it wouldn't be too hard to do so when DBZ got pretty pointless after the Freiza saga.:D

Phenomenal

2006-04-05, 18:01

Neodrag c'mon...In terms of Americanizing anime none these shows can come close to messing with DBZ...Hell it's DBZ's fault this crappy a$$ OP dub even exists cause when DBZ ended every cartoon block started looking for the next DBZ...DBZ won the world's best cartoon like 7 outta 10 years or something like that (can't remember the actual name of that award which veiwed every cartoon all over the world)...I can't stand when people pi$$ on DBZ when it was the standard of this genre (Not saying this is what you're doing)...Dragonball is old news because it finally ran it's course, but as much as i love One piece Dragonball doesn't bow down to any anime in terms of the impact of popularity...In it's intial run DBZ was as popular if not way more popular than One Piece...Only Yu yu hakusho came close to sharing the spotlight in Japanese TV ratings...

Thankyou Wingdarkness. DBZ changed the fighting Genre for all anime and action cartoons. Hell without DBZ you would not have one piece, Naruto or hell even a hadouken from Street fighter. Not to mention Neodrag that your Oda was inspired by Akira Toriyama himself same for Kishimoto!

It's fun pushing the buttons of (former) DBZ fans. It remains that One Piece is a product with a worldwide audience in which hopefully it doesn't get ripped on as much after it ends, though it wouldn't be too hard to do so when DBZ got pretty pointless after the Freiza saga.

Well I am a huge fan so watch it!!!

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 18:11

ragweed

2006-04-05, 19:00

For Naruto and Bleach, the intensity/forwarding-density is higher, you can get to the rhythm of the story in a short period. That is not the case with One Piece.

Interesting that you said that. At first, I would have to agree with you. One Piece starts out slow and the arcs go through a process of building until the climax of the arc, while Naruto has more fights and instant action.

But then I have to disagree. I think Naruto relies too heavily on cliffhangers and doesn't focus on the action enough. Lately the fights in Naruto have relied too much on face shots, "........." panels, and second-by-second. One Piece has more diologue and action per panel. In fact, the latest fight chapter of OP has had a grand total of '1' profile panels (a panel of a character thinking with no thought bubbles or action), while Naruto had 10. =/ Nothing really happens that much anymore! I think that's why there's been so much filler going on lately.

But anyway, I think Naruto is more popular because it's a typical anime with bishies and powerups all that. And angst, loads and loads or angst.

Conri

2006-04-05, 19:13

For Naruto and Bleach, the intensity/forwarding-density is higher, you can get to the rhythm of the story in a short period. That is not the case with One Piece.My problem wasn't getting into the rhythm of One Piece...I just didn't give it a chance. I didn't hear about it at all until a couple years ago because it wasn't well known, and when I gave it a try, I couldn't get through the first episode. I eventually downloaded the first 10 episode pack, and then I got hooked for good.

Bleach, however...10 episodes didn't hook me...trudging through the 30's didn't hook me...temporarily dropping the anime and picking up the Soul Society manga arc is what finally caught my interest. I liked the Naruto manga right away, but the anime beat up my interest and threw it away.

Now I love naruto and bleach, One piece doesnt have the "wow cool" factor that they do.It doesn't? It does to me. :D

Interesting that you said that. At first, I would have to agree with you. One Piece starts out slow and the arcs go through a process of building until the climax of the arc, while Naruto has more fights and instant action.I think that's exactly why I'm still following One Piece, but Naruto has fallen by the wayside. I can't comment on your panel comparison because of this...except to say that that's a shame! It's always been in the back of my mind that I should try picking up the Naruto manga again, but I can't say it's actually going to happen.

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 19:20

@Neo - Well I found Future Trunks//Android//Cell saga to be pretty good and actually pretty complex on some levels (Some of the unperfect Cell arc was really intense)...I remember me and some of my friends used to get in heated debates over Future trunks stuff...The Buu saga was pushing it a bit, but to see Vegeta turn evil again and that final fight with Goku was worth it...DBZ was all about fighting (not to mention funny like One piece is) and the only anime ever where the villians were the underdawgs...It was what it was...Character driven, not really plot-driven like One Piece...For some odd reason though my favorite moments of OP almost always involve Luffy kicking a$$...His fighting techniques are so underrated to me, he has so many cool moves...Obviously Krillen could put a dent in him in DBZ though :p...

The Phenomenol - there's a reason why this show is so beloved by so many and the gateway anime for millions...I still love DBZGT and I won't let it crapped on because it became "TOO POPULAR" (To where it became popular to hate, just for that sake)...
The only anime ever where the villains were the underdogs? So the multiple times where the main villain of an arc was freakishly stronger than everyone else making it a necessity that the heroes trained alot or pull a power up out of their butts based on anger never happened?

Funny like One Piece is how? And of course Krillin could do what you suggest since Krillin reached a strength level where he could destroy a planet anyway along with so many of the other DBZ characters.

And I thought it was already made clear that the point wasn't to simply crap on DB for being popular but for the fact that it just became in exercise in repetition really. That it would be kind of overreaching to claim that DBZ wasn't as popular as it was not because of all the over the top energy blast, machine gun punches, floating objects from powering up, etc. stuff that the show is none for.

But anyway, wasn't there a thread on the given topic already made in which the guy who started this could have saved his time with simply using the search function.

Phenomenal

2006-04-05, 19:24

The Phenomenol - there's a reason why this show is so beloved by so many and the gateway anime for millions...I still love DBZGT and I won't let it crapped on because it became "TOO POPULAR" (To where it became popular to hate, just for that sake)...

I totally agree WingDarkness! It became so popular and loved by many people got mad and started hating on it's success! In my eyes DBZ will never die not as long as you have shows like One Piece and Naruto trying to base certain aspects from the masterpeice!

Sazelyt

2006-04-05, 19:51

Interesting that you said that. At first, I would have to agree with you. One Piece starts out slow and the arcs go through a process of building until the climax of the arc, while Naruto has more fights and instant action.

But then I have to disagree. I think Naruto relies too heavily on cliffhangers and doesn't focus on the action <i>enough</i>. Lately the fights in Naruto have relied too much on face shots, "........." panels, and second-by-second. One Piece has more diologue and action per panel. In fact, the latest fight chapter of OP has had a grand total of '1' profile panels (a panel of a character thinking with no thought bubbles or action), while Naruto had 10. =/ Nothing really happens that much anymore! I think that's why there's been so much filler going on lately.

But anyway, I think Naruto is more popular because it's a typical anime with bishies and powerups all that. And angst, loads and loads or angst. You might be right about the latest chapters, but still in general Naruto has a sufficient action/cliffhanger level that will more-or-less keep you excited. Also having more action does not always mean a good thing for everybody, especially if the action scenes take longer than expected. In One Piece, if there will be a fight, in many cases all the main characters are involved in that fight (and usually more than once). Luffy might be given a big portion of that, but the others do not lag behind much. That is expected since I believe most of the fans would enjoy to see the fights from all the other character's at similar level (since all use different types of fighting skills). Also, the fights in One Piece seem to be more circumstantial than the fights in Naruto, thereby, allowing for more focusing in Naruto.

Anyway, it is not easy to guess the general point of view, since anywhere you dig you observe another difference that can directly affect personal opinion.

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 20:07

(DBZ) Funny like One Piece is how?

How bout a main character (who isn't the brightest lightbulb) that eats everything in sight and is a supreme slob... Eating anything that exists no matter how filthy or grotesque it is which is the cause of many hysterical moments...Goku=Luffy

Or maybe a bossy girl who has a good head on her shoulders but punches and beats on all the other male characters and screams at them insanley at times causing funny moments...Bulma=Nami

Or perhaps a cowardly short sidekick who gets scared to death by any new villian, and usually gets his a$$ kicked in funny fashion until he gets serious (But still usually loses)...Krillen=Chopper

I could go on neodrag, just say the word...I think you know what I'm capable of...

The only anime ever where the villains were the underdogs? So the multiple times where the main villain of an arc was freakishly stronger than everyone else making it a necessity that the heroes trained alot or pull a power up out of their butts based on anger never happened?

Hell yeah, after a certain point in the series to think the main villian of that arc was going to easily defeat Goku was somewhat ignorant....Remember Goku very seldom ever fought to totally beat his opponent, his goal alot of time was to test his abilities...Could have beaten Cell, Magin Vegeta, and Magin Buu....Coulda went 3 on Vegeta but didn't cause he wanted to give him a fair fight...Choose to let Majin buu live cause he wanted his kids to have a challenge...Sparred half-a$$ with Cell (for a good deal of that fight) to let Gohan see his moves...Just cause the villains were bada$$ don't mean they weren't underdawgs when they had to fight usually atleast 4 legendary SSJ's each epic battle...

Unlike One Piece, everybody knows Luffy's the $hit but I think it's safe for us to say there are many other characters that are stronger than him in that universe...He's the underdawg...

ragweed

2006-04-05, 20:25

You might be right about the latest chapters, but still in general Naruto has a sufficient action/cliffhanger level that will more-or-less keep you excited.True, but after a while it gets so agonizingly predictable. Like Sai's clone getting hanged, did anybody actually think he had gotten killed off that quickly? It's gotten so that I'd wish stuff would actually happen during the chapter without having to wait for key points at the beginning of the next chapter.

Also having more action does not always mean a good thing for everybody, especially if the action scenes take longer than expected. If you're talking about One Piece having long fight scenes.... xD You do remember Sakura vs Sasori fight alone took 10 chapters?! Give or take a page or so for the Naruto/Deidra chase scene. Now that's incredibly long, especially for a secondary character. But like I said in my earlier post, (and aside from the profile panels) Kishi does second by second action sequences so that every hit has emphasis. (though the characters spend so much time avoiding attacks and regenarating body parts, it's a wonder they do get hit at all. I guess it makes it all the more special when they do. Though the endings of these arcs have usually left me disappointed because after all that time and doging and emphesis, the villian gets away or it's a tie or the hero loses the fight. And I do consider the Naruto v Garra a tie. For all the ooohing and aaahing over the kyuubi, just once I want Naruto to WIN something major. But I guess that's my opinion)

In One Piece, if there will be a fight, in many cases all the main characters are involved in that fight (and usually more than once). Luffy might be given a big portion of that, but the others do not lag behind much. That is expected since I believe most of the fans would enjoy to see the fights from all the other character's at similar level (since all use different types of fighting skills). Also, the fights in One Piece seem to be more circumstantial than the fights in Naruto, thereby, allowing for more focusing in Naruto. That's true. Although, I'd enjoy it alot more if there was less Naruto in the series and more Neji, Lee, Tenten, Shika, etc. Seriously! We barely got a glimpse of the clone fight last arc. ;__;

Sazelyt

2006-04-05, 20:29

I don't know why the discussion moves in the direction of dragon ball. Even though it might have significant importance, comparing dragon ball to one piece or vice versa is not fair. Dragon ball has a historical importance, and can still entertain you, but that's it. One Piece has already exceeded its level, and that is what matters.

Silent_One

2006-04-05, 20:40

I think it comes down to one piece starts off really slow and oddly. The art style is wierd too. Of course once you get used to it I would say one piece is the best in several areas.
I would say for me they are all really different but close to equally good right now One Piece is my favorite because no filler.

Bleach is more mature with a cool art style, and has decent relationships that naruto and One Piece lack with some great comedy moments.

Naruto is fun and inspiring and gives you that oh man moments (specially if you take out the filler which is killing it by having Naruto bring out his powers every time he stubs his toe)and its fun to watch Naruto become a little less annouying than the beggining episodes(before the fillers bleh).

One Piece is goofy has voice actors that do a great job and has a world that is pretty unique,weird and with the feeling that any things possible.

Sazelyt

2006-04-05, 20:45

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 20:48

How bout a main character (who isn't the brightest lightbulb) that eats everything in sight and is a supreme slob... Eating anything that exists no matter how filthy or grotesque it is which is the cause of many hysterical moments...Goku=Luffy

Uh, nah. I wouldn't exactly call Luffy and Goku supreme slobs, might want to clarify what you mean by that. I don't remember Luffy exhibiting eating any filthy or grotesque thing in his sight. Much less that at least with Luffy he plumps while with Goku the characteristic is quite common among the main characters in DBZ much less gets overdone to the point of tedium.

Or maybe a bossy girl who has a good head on her shoulders but punches and beats on all the other male characters and screams at them insanley at times causing funny moments...Bulma=Nami

In other words a general similarity equates to the same humor? Cause I don't remember Bulma being allowed to do this to just any of her fellow characters in the exact fashion unless you can cite a situation where Bulma sticks someone with a loan with 100% interest.

Or perhaps a cowardly short sidekick who gets scared to death by any new villian, and usually gets his a$$ kicked in funny fashion until he gets serious (But still usually loses)...Krillen=Chopper

I could go on neodrag, just say the word...I think you know what I'm capable of...

Krillin equals Chopper how exactly since I don't remember Chopper fulfilling exactly the described form of action you bring up? Including when the number of times Chopper has lost a fight is quite small much less when Chopper loses it's not done in a comedic fasion. Chopper's humor in character is exhibited when it comes to him hiding behind something in the wrong way, saying one thing while his body language says another, naivety, etc. Much less that it's Ussop who gets beaten on in a humoress fashion. The two shows still don't share a quite similar type of humor since all you have done is listed out character similiarities that are general at best rather than really being on the nose in connections.

Hell yeah, after a certain point in the series to think the main villian of that arc was going to easily defeat Goku was somewhat ignorant....Remember Goku very seldom ever fought to totally beat his opponent, his goal alot of time was to test his abilities...Could have beaten Cell, Magin Vegeta, and Magin Buu....Coulda went 3 on Vegeta but didn't cause he wanted to give him a fair fight...Choose to let Majin buu live cause he wanted his kids to have a challenge...Sparred half-a$$ with Cell (for a good deal of that fight) to let Gohan see his moves...Just cause the villains were bada$$ don't mean they weren't underdawgs when they had to fight usually atleast 4 legendary SSJ's each epic battle...

What was that about Cell? Cause I clearly remember Goku going as far as he possibly could to the point of kamikaze to take out Cell. And I don't remember Goku letting Majin Buu live simply to give his kids a challenge. It remains that plent of the time in DBZ we have the main villain being stronger than Goku rather than some idea that Goku is always holding back. It remains that when you have the existence of a move where the idea to gather the spirit energy of other beings being done on more than one occassion by Goku that Goku doesn't think he's gonna win by his strength alone.

I don't know why the discussion moves in the direction of dragon ball. Even though it might have significant importance, comparing dragon ball to one piece or vice versa is not fair. Dragon ball has a historical importance, and can still entertain you, but that's it. One Piece has already exceeded its level, and that is what matters.
Word on.

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 22:02

Uh, nah. I wouldn't exactly call Luffy and Goku supreme slobs, might want to clarify what you mean by that. I don't remember Luffy exhibiting eating any filthy or grotesque thing in his sight. Much less that at least with Luffy he plumps while with Goku the characteristic is quite common among the main characters in DBZ much less gets overdone to the point of tedium.

Are you kidding me?? Have you ever seen Luffy and Goku eat?? I'd call anyone a slob who has food flying in every direction as they eat or makes people almost wanna hurl or lose their appettite at the very sight of them eating....Goku eats everything from dinosaur tales to original Piccolo's spawned goblin children while Luffy loves Bull-faced fish amoungst anything else that breaths he can find...I'd consider all that grotesque if they were on my dinner table or a random episode of Fear Factor...Sayains eat the creatures of the planets they destroy BTW just for reference and just last episode Luffy wanted to eat the raw meat of that sliced up sea creature...If you don't call that gross, please don't invite me to dinner...

I won't even go thru the rest because my point in comparing characters was the TYPE OF COMEDY each brings to their show (Which is similiar, even if it's general it's still similiar), not that the characters are totally 100% the same, I think you missed the point....

Sparred half-a$$ with Cell (for a good deal of that fight) to let Gohan see his moves
As for Goku...he didn't get serious until the end when he stupidly allowed Cell to regenerate when he could have blasted him again (Even gave him a sensui bean)...he admitted to holding back for the whole first half of that fight....as for Majin buu (Fat buu, not kid buu), he admits that he could have destroyed him if he wanted too, but he wanted Goten and Gohan to take over as Earths heroes, this is right before he runs out of time on Earth...Shockingly he could have even defeated kid buu, but because he's a baka (like Luffy) he forgot that once he was wished backed to life he couldn't store energy like he could in his heaven-form, which got Vegeta really beat badly as he waited for Goku's ultimate power-up which never happened...Thank God for Satan who saved the day :/ (Did I just say that)...Goku always fights to test his abilities first, this is mentioned or alluded to several, several times during the course of the DBZGT...

No need to debate this much further as it is off-topic, but I see why you don't really get the comparisons or really like the show cause you don't know the content...

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 22:12

Are you kidding me?? Have you ever seen Luffy and Goku eat?? I'd call anyone a slob who has food flying in every direction as they eat or makes people almost wanna hurl or lose their appettite at the very sight of them eating....Goku eats everything from dinosaur tales to original Piccolo's spawned goblin children while Luffy loves Bull-faced fish.

Except that with Luffy his food goes in his mouth rather than flying around. Well, there was the exception when he spat it out in surprise at Smoker. And it was clear that the bull-faced fish you speak of is eaten by people other than Luffy. That's like saying it's gross to eat horse simply because your culture doesn't do so.

amoungst anything else he can find...I'd consider all that grotesque if they were on my dinner table or a random episode of Fear Factor...Sayains eat the creatures of the planets they destroy BTW just for reference and just last episode Luffy wanted to eat the raw meat of that sliced up sea creature...If you don't call that gross, please don't invite me to dinner...

Again, the food you speak of when it comes to Luffy is stuff that not only he would eat. There are plenty of cultures that eat things that people in the US wouldn't eat but it doesn't mean it's just absolutely grotesque.

I won't even go thru the rest because my point in comparing characters was the TYPE OF COMEDY each brings to their show (Which is similiar, even if it's general it's still similiar), not that the characters are totally 100% the same, I think you missed the point....

Except that what you describe was off or just plain incorrect. I still wonder how you came up with what you listed for Chopper.

As for Goku...he didn't get serious until the end when he stupidly allowed Cell to regenerate when he could have blasted him again (Even gave him a sensui bean)...he admitted to holding back for the whole first half of that fight....as for Majin buu (Fat buu, not kid buu), he admits that he could have destroyed him if he wanted too, but he wanted Goten and Gohan to take over as Earths heroes, this is right before he runs out of time on Earth...Shockingly he could have even defeated kid buu, but because he's a baka (like Luffy) he forgot that once he was wished backed to life he couldn't store energy like he could in his heaven-form, which got Vegeta really beat badly as he waited for Goku's ultimate power-up which never happened...Thank God for Satan who saved the day :/ (Did I just say that)...Goku always fights to test his abilities first, this is mentioned or alluded to several, several times during the course of the DBZGT...

Except that again we have Goku training with son to face the Androids that Cell later on ate. That we still have that Goku is incapable of defeating Cell during the Cell saga. You seem to still forget that Cell was able to reform himself even after blowing himself up. And no he couldn't have defeated Kid Buu, I don't see how you came to that. It remains that DBZGT wasn't absolutely just simply that of Goku always being stronger than the main villain.

No need to debate this much further as it is off-topic, but I see why you don't really get the comparisons or really like the show cause you don't know the content...
The comparisons are quite simply quite off really. And I do know the content of the show. I watched the original Japanese version and dub, even watch the series on more than one occasion in entirety. I'm willing to even admit I watched the first dub eps of DBZ that occured while I was in elementary school more than 3 times over.

But yeah, this is off topic.:D

monir

2006-04-05, 22:16

Anyway, it is not easy to guess the general point of view, since anywhere you dig you observe another difference that can directly affect personal opinion.
Very nicely put!

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 22:27

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 22:35

@neo -Err..Your a tuff cookie I swear..Chopper gets scared when he sees villains...Does he not?? Krillen gets scared as he sees villains, does he not? They both serve as comic relief at times because of their FEAR...When Chopper is in small-mode he runs around getting his butt kicked until he gets serious or finds the courage to fight thru...Krillen is similiar until the buu saga when he's just useless...

Uh, no. The fact remains that many of the characters in One Piece get scared when faced with a villain; not just Chopper. The humorous moments unique to Chopper still consist of his naivety, hiding behind a wall and looking at you the wrong way, and his trademark badmouthing you while his body says different. These are characteristics that still outway a general similarity you brought up. Especially when again Chopper doesn't just simply run around in his small when getting beat on. Much less that when he gets defeated it clearly wasn't intended to be humorous.

As for Kid buu, Goku mismanaged his energy because he forgot SSJ 3 is limited even more in human-form...He's holding his reserve energy for the final blow then realized he didn't have the energy...This is in "1 minute fight Vegeta vs. Kid buu" ep...Your sleeping on how Goku fights to have fun and test his strength until the end...

In other words that changes the fact that Goku was still the inferior how? Since that reserve of energy you bring up still could only be brought up by the participation of not only Goku to fight Kid Buu. Much less that I still don't remember Goku absolutely fighting only within the narrow confines of fun and testing strength. Unless delivering monologues like he does at times is suppose to be also great fun.

Ugh...don't respond back...Lets just end it...

:|
You know that would never happen.:D

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 22:47

^ :heh:

Uh, no. The fact remains that many of the characters in One Piece get scared when faced with a villain; not just Chopper

Yeah, and how many of them or short, quirky purposely created comic relief-ish characters? Huh?

Since that reserve of energy you bring up still could only be brought up by the participation of not only Goku to fight Kid Buu

That's because he loves testing his strength...That why he was apparently dissapointed when he finally defeated him because he considered kid buu the ultimate challenge and that's why he was so happy that buu was reincarnated as Uub so he could continue to fight someone on his level...He susequently left his family for like 10 years just fighting and training Uub in the look-out base overseeing Earth...Did you forget sayains fight for the thrill of the fight, not just to win?? Content my brother...bring it to work...

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 22:52

^ :heh:

Yeah, and how many of them or short, quirky purposely created comic relief-ish characters? Huh?

Except that Chopper isn't permenantly dwarf size. Still grasping for straws here. Cause Chopper isn't humorous for simply just being short and easily scared.

That's because he loves testing his strength...That why he was apparently dissapointed when he finally defeated him because he considered kid buu the ultimate challenge and that's why he was so happy that buu was reincarnated as Uub so he could continue to fight someone on his level...He susequently left his family for like 10 years just fighting and training Uub in the look-out base overseeing Earth...Did you forget sayains fight for the thrill of the fight, not just to win?? Content my brother...bring it to work...
Uh, You do realize that he also wanted Ubuu around when it comes to the future of Earth since he wasn't expecting to be around forever. You still haven't proved that it was a constant, absolute basis that Goku was stronger than the main villain to the point of the main villain being the underdog. Joy at fighting a strong opponent doesn't equate to actually being stronger than the opponent. Much less that I still wouldn't say Goku defeated Kid Buu by himself.

Slayerx

2006-04-05, 22:57

I would say for me they are all really different but close to equally good right now One Piece is my favorite because no filler.
I believe One Piece has also fillers. But they are not that long and they are still entertaining. I seem to remember someone mentioning about fillers before the skypie arc so I am not sure of that, but the arc between skypie and water 7 should be completely a filler.
The anime does have fillers, the major difference however is that the the anime flows more seemlessly through the fillers... most of the time, if your not familiar with the manga you don't really notice when it enters a filler... that's atleast how it is for me

however, like naruto, one piece looks like it may end up going into a bit of a long filler... from the looks of it, the anime isn't too far behind the manga... i suspect after the enies lobby arc, they will be quite a bit of filler to allow the manga to pull more ahead. Grant it, so far, i've liked the one piece fillers better then the naruto fillers...

One thing i hate about naruto fillers that one piece does really have is that Naruto fillers happen in the middle of the story; so while your watching the filler your itching to move on with the story to see whats happening... One piece, on the other hand, places its fillers when there's nothing really happening, so your not so eagar to move on... y'know, in addition to the fillers being a bit more enjoyable

gogogoh

2006-04-05, 22:59

In my opinion I think that one piece is not a show that you can get hooked on with just 5 eps. People who can see the big picture and can wait for the story to develop will enjoy it more. To me I like that type of anime.

wingdarkness

2006-04-05, 23:07

@neo -Your being really anal on the Chopper point when it was meant as a general comparison from jumpstreet...When krillen is all scared and stuff of a new villian i laff, when Chopper is all scared and stuff of a new villain I laff...They both do things in those situations specifically to make veiwers laff..So give it up...

You still haven't proved that it was a constant, absolute basis that Goku was stronger than the main villain to the point of the main villain being the underdog. Joy at fighting a strong opponent doesn't equate to actually being stronger than the opponent. Much less that I still wouldn't say Goku defeated Kid Buu by himself

Oh don't play that game with me...bringing up the orginal argument when the debate had evolved into something else...The kid buu point which was obscure at the time was to suggest that Goku holds back sometimes to just test his strength, not that the villain was an underdawg (which every villain after freiza seemed to be compared to what we've come to expect from Goku)..."Absolute basis", yeah OK :rolleyes: ...Proving subjectivity ain't the easiest thing in the world, but I take on the challenge...

Sazelyt

2006-04-05, 23:14

The anime does have fillers, the major difference however is that the the anime flows more seemlessly through the fillers... most of the time, if your not familiar with the manga you don't really notice when it enters a filler... that's atleast how it is for me

however, like naruto, one piece looks like it may end up going into a bit of a long filler... from the looks of it, the anime isn't too far behind the manga... i suspect after the enies lobby arc, they will be quite a bit of filler to allow the manga to pull more ahead. Grant it, so far, i've liked the one piece fillers better then the naruto fillers...

One thing i hate about naruto fillers that one piece does really have is that Naruto fillers happen in the middle of the story; so while your watching the filler your itching to move on with the story to see whats happening... One piece, on the other hand, places its fillers when there's nothing really happening, so your not so eagar to move on... y'know, in addition to the fillers being a bit more enjoyable There is one significant difference between Naruto and One Piece in terms of fillers (in paralel to what you have mentioned). In Naruto, after each filler, you have to go back to the starting point, whereas in One Piece, the characters are continuously on the move, so going back to the starting point does not mean much. Since at almost each arc we are given a background information mostly on the characters, and we have a rather slow development (for the action-lover fans, power-up) process, filler arcs can be integrated into the main storyline without lowering the quality.

Nightengale

2006-04-05, 23:23

I'm fairly sure in the procession of One Piece not being so popular, Al Kahn is a major factor in it.

As for simply forums, it's hard to say really. One Piece imo is the greatest manga of all time, and Naruto/Bleach doesn't hold a candle to it......YET. If I had to give a reason, a lot of my normal friends turned away from good mangas because it looked too weird to them.

OP is still the King of the 3 SJ Kings. It had been, still is, and most probably will stay as the King of Kings.

neodrag38

2006-04-05, 23:52

@neo -Your being really anal on the Chopper point when it was meant as a general comparison from jumpstreet...When krillen is all scared and stuff of a new villian i laff, when Chopper is all scared and stuff of a new villain I laff...They both do things in those situations specifically to make veiwers laff..So give it up...

Not really. Cause this part of the conversation stemed from the subject of humor in which Chopper's distinct character based humor isn't simply that of height or being fearful. It's clear that the character you should have brought up at all about being humorous when scared is actually Ussop.

Oh don't play that game with me...bringing up the orginal argument when the debate had evolved into something else...The kid buu point which was obscure at the time was to suggest that Goku holds back sometimes to just test his strength, not that the villain was an underdawg (which every villain after freiza seemed to be compared to what we've come to expect from Goku)..."Absolute basis", yeah OK :rolleyes: ...Proving subjectivity ain't the easiest thing in the world, but I take on the challenge...
No, the thing was Goku and Kid Buu was still simply a matter of Goku not being capable of defeating Kid Buu by himself. No amount of excuses or blame will change the fact that Goku still cleary wasn't doing what you specified for every villain after Freiza. That Goku was not in a situation of actually being able to defeat Cell.

wingdarkness

2006-04-06, 01:03

Not really. Cause this part of the conversation stemed from the subject of humor in which Chopper's distinct character based humor isn't simply that of height or being fearful. It's clear that the character you should have brought up at all about being humorous when scared is actually Ussop.

No it wasn't...It was a simple comparison based on you asking what kind of comedy in One Piece is similiar to DBZ...And I gave it to you and yes it was general as it was intended to be...The fact that Chopper is short like Krillen was just another generality in comparison...No need to include Ussop cause If i wanted to I could have easily pulled Mr. Satan outta my hat (A lie a minute scardy-cat) to balance that 2 on 2 debate...The point was so clearly made and you trying to parse-hairs on Luffy not eating as sloppily as Goku is the biggest joke of all...I know he's your favorite character in anime, but your tying the noose yourself with that one...

No, the thing was Goku and Kid Buu was still simply a matter of Goku not being capable of defeating Kid Buu by himself. No amount of excuses or blame will change the fact that Goku still cleary wasn't doing what you specified for every villain after Freiza. That Goku was not in a situation of actually being able to defeat Cell.
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When did I say he coulda just easily beat Cell?? All i said was that parts of that fight (as per his plan) was to show Gohan his moves...He had already made the decision prior to the fight that he was going to let Gohan defeat Cell...If you watched DBZ and didn't get all the clues, obvious and subtle that Goku fights for fun and/or to test his abilities before he gets serious you know nothing about his character at all...Furthermore (as for kid buu too) your confusing the fact that I said the villains were like the underdawgs (IMO) with me saying Goku was always clearly (technically) stronger than every villain...

Momma Mia! >_<;;;

neoko

2006-04-06, 02:47

You guys should stop trying to persuade each other to agree with your own opinions. Instead, you should agree and to disagree, because the world is a big and diverse place.

On topic;

I'm not sure how popular one piece is, it may be the most popular thing in japan like someone said earlier, but IMO a possible reason why OP manga can seem to be less popular than naruto/bleach is because is retains an unique style.

Stuff that OP doesn't have, or doesn't refer to as much:

- Main character has some sorta trump card (ichigo - that hollow guy inside him, naruto - the kyuubi)
- Main character attains new abilities and levels (ichigo - bankai, naruto - kyuubi transformations)
- Really strong characters fight (bleach - captains fighting, naruto - the sanins, hokage, akatuski, etc...)
- The whole ordeal of going away to train, and then coming back right in the nick of time to save the day, showing off some super new powers

My memory ain't really good, but i'm sure people who've read all 3 can think of more/better examples. I just listed some to get my message across. The formula that bleach and naruto follow are pretty typical stuff among these types of manga, but hey - it works.

It's why i like bleach and naruto over OP.

neodrag38

2006-04-06, 08:52

No it wasn't...It was a simple comparison based on you asking what kind of comedy in One Piece is similiar to DBZ...And I gave it to you and yes it was general as it was intended to be...The fact that Chopper is short like Krillen was just another generality in comparison...No need to include Ussop cause If i wanted to I could have easily pulled Mr. Satan outta my hat (A lie a minute scardy-cat) to balance that 2 on 2 debate...The point was so clearly made and you trying to parse-hairs on Luffy not eating as sloppily as Goku is the biggest joke of all...I know he's your favorite character in anime, but your tying the noose yourself with that one...

Except that you can make general comparisons for just about any shonen jump in comparison to another yet you wouldn't say that two of them have the same comedy. That Chopper's height in one of his forms still not really a humorous moment much less the only factor of his character. And that Luffy still does more for comedy beyond simply eating alot. A general single similarity still doesn't equate to the same comedy. You said that DBZ had the same comedy as One Piece so usually when you say the comedy is the same for two shows that would have to be a distinct similarity or you are just simply going out of your way to make two different shows seem similar.

When did I say he coulda just easily beat Cell?? All i said was that parts of that fight (as per his plan) was to show Gohan his moves...He had already made the decision prior to the fight that he was going to let Gohan defeat Cell...If you watched DBZ and didn't get all the clues, obvious and subtle that Goku fights for fun and/or to test his abilities before he gets serious you know nothing about his character at all...Furthermore (as for kid buu too) your confusing the fact that I said the villains were like the underdawgs (IMO) with me saying Goku was always clearly (technically) stronger than every villain...

Momma Mia! >_<;;;
You do realize that the idea behind the whole underdog term is an individual expected to have no chance in a fight on the basis that the person is weaker? That Goku enjoying fighting still doesn't mean that for every fight he's just simply holding back. But really, a person who holds back against another opponent is still pretty much a bit of a jerk since it's insulting to fight someone half ass. But I digress. You still haven't proved that Goku could have beaten Cell.

- Main character has some sorta trump card (ichigo - that hollow guy inside him, naruto - the kyuubi)
- Main character attains new abilities and levels (ichigo - bankai, naruto - kyuubi transformations)
- Really strong characters fight (bleach - captains fighting, naruto - the sanins, hokage, akatuski, etc...)
- The whole ordeal of going away to train, and then coming back right in the nick of time to save the day, showing off some super new powers

My memory ain't really good, but i'm sure people who've read all 3 can think of more/better examples. I just listed some to get my message across. The formula that bleach and naruto follow are pretty typical stuff among these types of manga, but hey - it works.

It's why i like bleach and naruto over OP.
So you are saying that not having distinct Japanese Shonen Jump cliches is bad? And how much of One Piece have you seen?

-KarumA-

2006-04-06, 11:32

ife followed One Piece for like ... a long time
i watched most arc up untill the filler episodes in witch they hypnotised everyone in losing their memmory (also from the One Piece game with the kid with the seahorse blowing horn)

ive heard from One Piece and first watched the raw episode of latest edition and first read the manga, im planning on collecting it now too :D

but i started to miss the fibe in the much later episodes, the manga takes super long its a bit standard villain fight procedure, first its Zoro, Sanji, Nami etc. and then in the end its Luffy, after a while i got sick of that

i did like the humor, i still watch the movies from time to time, but there's just somhting missing for me in the latest episodes, i still read manga but not with as muh fun as before

maybe its because it got so populair that i started to dislike it in the end

Naruto and Bleach, well only 2 people in my town know that Bleach is a anime show, almost noone watches anime here where i live

but i dislike Naruto a bit, but not as much as One Piece (not that i hate that soo much, i will keep a space in my heart for it ^^) , because some people in this town walk around with head bands O.O; , i think that goes a bit too far lol because people here think youre insane and dont know anything about anime

i know a girl at baseball that wears it to every training <.<;

Laughing Manji

2006-04-06, 13:04

Y'know i noticed that one piece seems to starts out alot slower then bleach and naruto... i found that bleach and naruto can get you hooked pretty quickly, while One piece takes more time...

I think you nailed it there. Bleach and Naruto get stuck in pretty quick, and you get the initial flashes of genius pretty early (ep.17ish in Naruto lake country fight with Naruto, and earlier again in Bleach).

One Piece is a real slow starter. Realistically the first slices of genius in One Piece don't occur until the utterly compelling Nami - hometown arc. And thats not until 30/40 eps have elapsed.

The cast aren't even fully assembled until wa-ay into the series.

OP has been much more consistent in its quality however. Its creativity and imagination only truly shine until later on. It's comic intensity and punchline delivery rule too.

I mean Island Whale. I can understand that substance use was in progress, I just can't figure out how he still managed to draw straight lines while dropping tabs.

But Naruto & Bleach show their true form early, and can hook you quicker.

neoko

2006-04-06, 18:26

So you are saying that not having distinct Japanese Shonen Jump cliches is bad? And how much of One Piece have you seen?
I said it could be a reason why. Why would i say such a thing? Because i like Bleach, DBZ, Naruto better than OP. OP spends a lot of time introducing a story to a new arc, i'm impatient, so i don't follow OP well.

A lot of people are impatient, they may just fall in the same boat, anything wrong? The world is diverse.

I've read all of OP up to 400, i have 401 to 405 but i can't be stuffed reading because i know it doesn't get much in 5 chapters. I've read all of these mangas a long time ago, but the ones i remember best are still bleach, dbz and naruto.

Maybe it's appeal. Who knows.

neodrag38

2006-04-06, 20:00

UthertheHat

2006-04-06, 20:25

In my opinion people like Naruto/Bleach more not only because they are action anime but also because they have fanboy characters that people are attracted to(ex. Sauske,little 10th captian kid who isn't that strong). It also has small bits of love that tie in to the story.
One Piece is my favorite anime so my opinion my be a little bias but i'm so glad One Piece doesn't have love to mess everything up. One Piece is more about friends on a journey with dreams all facing in the same general direction. One Piece isn't like DBZ, Naruto, or Bleach because until recent chapters, no one has had any retarded powerup that takes no time to achieve and makes them godly strong.
In my personal opinion, I like the fights in One Piece more than any other anime. No one delivers beats like One Piece.

But basicly Naruto is by far the most popular anime in the States, but in Japan One Piece may be a little little bit more popular than Naruto and Bleach. It's all a matter if you like adventure or action more.

wingdarkness

2006-04-06, 21:18

@neo If you don't understand that general comparisons are valid in the context of evaluating similiar comedic values you've lost it...

But really, a person who holds back against another opponent is still pretty much a bit of a jerk since it's insulting to fight someone half ass. But I digress. You still haven't proved that Goku could have beaten Cell

Ok so he's a jerk for that, for being a Sayain who loves the thrill of fighting and always since a kid being someone who loves to test his abilities even more than simply defeat someone unless he deems he has too...So at it's base you object to that because you feel he's a jerk for it...Finally to still be misinterpreting my Cell point at this stage in the discussion is just bull-headedness...I can go point for point with anything you got, but this debate has fizzeld a bit...I stand by the totality of what I've discussed...So keep smiling...

neodrag38

2006-04-06, 23:02

@neo If you don't understand that general comparisons are valid in the context of evaluating similiar comedic values you've lost it...

If you don't understand the fact that you put down that the two shows had the same comedy rather than originally saying simply generally similar you lack memory. Unless you enjoy bringing up general similarities that are more the universal in genearlity rather than concrete, specific.

Ok so he's a jerk for that, for being a Sayain who loves the thrill of fighting and always since a kid being someone who loves to test his abilities even more than simply defeat someone unless he deems he has too...So at it's base you object to that because you feel he's a jerk for it...Finally to still be misinterpreting my Cell point at this stage in the discussion is just bull-headedness...I can go point for point with anything you got, but this debate has fizzeld a bit...I stand by the totality of what I've discussed...So keep smiling...
Uh, no. My comment about holding back against an opponent in terms of acting half ass was a simply a side comment rather than my main point. That you still for some weird reason claim that your use of the word underdog didn't mean what it actually ususally does mean. And how did I misinterpret your exacts words of "Could have beaten Cell..." when it remains that the only thing that seemed capable of defeating Cell in his last form was a SS2?

wingdarkness

2006-04-06, 23:39

If you don't understand the fact that you put down that the two shows had the same comedy rather than originally saying simply generally similar you lack memory. Unless you enjoy bringing up general similarities that are more the universal in genearlity rather than concrete, specific.

As specific as you when you asked the cro-magnon of questions..."Funny like One Piece how?" As if I even had to break it down in general generalities to have you understand how simple the comparison was...As if you had to enroll in Yale just to understand the simple comparison I was making in comedic dynamics...So simple your head might explode from over-thinking...

That you still for some weird reason claim that your use of the word underdog didn't mean what it actually ususally does mean

Sparred half-a$$ with Cell (for a good deal of that fight) to let Gohan see his moves...Just cause the villains were bada$$ don't mean they weren't underdawgs when they had to fight usually atleast 4 legendary SSJ's each epic battle...
I'm sorry if you felt I meant he coulda just beat Cell, I totally meant him holding back in parts of that fight to show Gohan his moves.. So I'll take a mulligan on that..

As for the rest, It's a perception...Hell the commercial campaign on Cartoon Network used to even say this (the underdawg thing)...Not that that's canon by any stretch, but I think it's fair for me to say that DBZ was the only anime I watched where the main core of protagonists (Goku especially) seemed almost unbeatable or had an air of insurmountability to them...Many times it was the villains fighting uphill to challenge (In most shonen or any cartoons really it's visa versa)...having to do stuff like absorb already ridiculously strong beings like 16 and 17 (Cell) because simply being a combination of every strong character in the series isn't strong enuff (IMAGINE THAT)...or having to absorb Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, and Piccolo (buu) just to have A CHANCE to beat Goku (Do you still not grasp the concept of my underdawg point?)...The Villains had to go to beyond ridiculous lengths just to be able to not get totally outclassed by various Super-saiyans...Usually that's visa versa for the most part...But eventhough they went thru these things giving them the persona of an underdawg IMO, that doesn't mean that AT THE END OF ALL THE TRANSFORMATIONS AND ABSORBTIONS that Goku was still technically stronger than them...Can you give an inch and tell me this isn't going over your head? Now you could accept some of this or bullishly continue to argue me in wingdarkness fashion...

neodrag38

2006-04-07, 00:08

As specific as you when you asked the cro-magnon of questions..."Funny like One Piece how?" As if I even had to break it down in general generalities to have you understand how simple the comparison was...As if you had to enroll in Yale just to understand the simple comparison I was making in comedic dynamics...So simple your head might explode from over-thinking...

Well sorry for expecting for you to try to bring up similarities that weren't simply oddly off generalities. In which I wouldn't say one show has the same comedy of another based solely on singular simplication of characters as if the differences or existing other factors in their personalities outwayed made generally universal those generalities.

I'm sorry if you felt I meant he coulda just beat Cell, I totally meant him holding back in parts of that fight to show Gohan his moves.. So I'll take a mulligan on that..

Again, it's not really holding back when he has no chance whatsoever to actually destroy Cell. But thanks for taking the mulligan anyway.

As for the rest, It's a perception...Hell the commercial campaign on Cartoon Network used to even say this (the underdawg thing)...Not that that's canon by any stretch, but I think it's fair for me to say that DBZ was the only anime I watched where the main core of protagonists (Goku especially) seemed almost unbeatable or had an air of insurmountability to them...Many times it was the villains fighting uphill to challenge (In most shonen or any cartoons really it's visa versa)...having to do stuff like absorb already ridiculously strong beings like 16 and 17 (Cell) because simply being a combination of every strong character in the series isn't strong enuff (IMAGINE THAT)...or having to absorb Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, and Piccolo (buu) just to have A CHANCE to beat Goku (Do you still not grasp the concept of my underdawg point?)...The Villains had to go to beyond ridiculous lengths just to be able to not get totally outclassed by various Super-saiyans...Usually that's visa versa for the most part...But eventhough they went thru these things giving them the persona of an underdawg IMO, that doesn't mean that AT THE END OF ALL THE TRANSFORMATIONS AND ABSORBTIONS that Goku was still technically stronger than them...Can you give an inch and tell me this isn't going over your head? Now you could accept some of this or bullishly continue to argue me in wingdarkness fashion...
For a guy who had the air of being unbeatable him getting killed off by Cell's self explosion and Gohan defeating Cell puts a bullet in that.:D

And again while the villains have their absorption of other beings to reach a new level of strength we still have the heroes with their fusions time and again. Much less that Buu without any outside influences whatsoever in his bodily structure was quite powerful as it was in which Goku still needed help to actually defeat it. An underdog situation still has to be in the confines of you expecting them to simply lose because they are considered weaker. Cause progression of strength to be stronger pretty much went both ways in odd or just simply out of the butt fashions.

Ogata

2006-04-07, 00:12

because 4kids ruined it and people think its too childish and naruto has spread out even more now and we'l start seeing figurines and headbands selling at wallamart

wingdarkness

2006-04-07, 00:39

@neodrag - Given the fact you're being sly and passive in regards to me totally fleshing out my underdawg point, I'll take that last post as a marginal concession of sorts...

Phenomenal

2006-04-07, 01:56

Originally Posted by Sazelyt
I don't know why the discussion moves in the direction of dragon ball. Even though it might have significant importance, comparing dragon ball to one piece or vice versa is not fair. Dragon ball has a historical importance, and can still entertain you, but that's it. One Piece has already exceeded its level, and that is what matters.

Now this is a post that really screams out foolishness towards the end I mean really...

One Piece has exceeded Dragonball How?
I do not remember ever being an manga/anime changing the fighting Genre! Also without Dragonball you would not have any One Piece! As a matter of fact you would not have as many animes that came out today especially you Naruto fans. Hell Dragonball will never be exceded as long as you have animes and mangas basing parts from the manga/anime and are inspired by that Series ALONE. Also by this time Dragonball/Dragonball Z were huge hits and world wide unlike One Piece. Akira Toriyama to many manga artists is GOD including yours truly Oda from One Piece.

Slayerx

2006-04-07, 03:47

neoko

2006-04-07, 04:32

Then you say it's a matter of impatience. Not exactly a new startling revelation.

And how exactly do you get as much in 5 chaps from the other Shonen Jump series? Especially when one or two of what you list would have chaps filled with nothing new in terms of actual info much less the length of fights.
Huh? What? =/

Since you're such a OP fanboy, it's pointless to try to convince why OP may be lesser of a manga than others. Your persistance in arguing shows that much.

wingdarkness

2006-04-07, 06:30

in terms of inspiration, DBZ will always be tough to exceed... It was one of THE defining series for shonen... so it terms of insipration, no Shonen series can ever really win

However, in terms of overall quality, i give way more credit to One piece... the story, characters and fighting in One piece is simply better... Sure, the characters of one piece bare signs of inspiration from the DBZ characters, but they are not ripoffs of the characters, they are unique and far more interesting then most of the Dragonball cast ever was... Also, i think in about 50 episodes, One Piece will have reached the total length of the entire Dragonball series (DB,Z, and GT); Only thing is, the DB series in total went downhill halfway through(After freeza it got dull) while One Piece is still going strong... and the fighting one piece is much better; the fighting is far more unique and it never really gets boring. The fights can sometimes get drawn out, but Oda manages to keep up the intrest , unlike DBZ where the fighting just got tedious after awhile. Personally, in terms of Dragonball series, i liked the fighting best in the first series; y'know, before they became overpowered and made over use of energyblasts...

Dragonball will always have the credit for innovations and inspiration... but most of today's shonen series beat it in terms of overall quality

I can't say I disagree with any of that (although the Future Trunks//unperfect cell//android saga which follows Freiza is highly underrated)...I pretty much agree with everything else you said, but a small part of my shonen heart will always belong to DBZ...The feeling I had as a 6, 7 year old forcing myself to go to sleep early on Friday Nights just to wake up at the crack of dawn so I could watch those Saturday Morning Cartoons was returned to me as a teenager via DBZ...While I've watched probably a hundred other anime series that I find much better in many different aspects (One Piece included), my connection to that series will never fade...I just can't express in words how much enjoyment I got out of the whole DBZ-experience (Only those who know can truley understand what that means)...You can never go back..that first time around was so great...To think about how many people I got hooked on that series in college...To think how many friends I had that didn't even like cartoons or anime who are now anime-freaks based on me showing them DBZ fansubs from the late 90's...Not many can understand, but that's just a part of the reason I find it hard to ignore when people either mindlessly bash it or crap on it for the sake of doing, or morso hate it because it became popular in the US and somehow they irrationally regard that as a black-eye for anime...

Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece are doing what was intended...Evolving the genre that DBZGT controlled for over a decade...It's only natural that they learned from some of DBZ's mistakes (Well Naruto has kinda dropped the ball a bit)...Unfortunatley the only damage that DBZ really did was overshadow Yu yu Hakusho which overall I personally consider the best shonen of alltime... Some animes have great storylines, some have great characters, others rely on action, humor, or horror, but very seldomly do you get an anime that incorporates all of these qualities effectively if not evenly....Hopefully after the conclusion of the "Big 3" (Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece) I can have something that resembles the feelings I have for DBZGT and Yu Yu...To be honest One Piece gives me that feeling more than the other 2, but I'd be lying if I said the fact that I used to go months without watching OP eps because no one was releasing them with any consistency didn't hurt my hype for the series...

oh and this talk of shows inspiring other shows reminds me of something i learned today
Apparently, the entire anime style was basically inspired by Betty Boop... i seriously didn't see that coming =P
Never realized she was one of Tezuka's early inspirations

I don't know where you got that info, but to my knowledge it was Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney's animation style that influenced Tezuka and others, and basically is the mother of animated design that spawned the evolution of animation in Japan...

neoko

2006-04-07, 08:15

I wonder what came before mickey mouse...

A chicken? An egg? Or was it the other way around?

Sazelyt

2006-04-07, 11:55

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Now this is a post that really screams out foolishness towards the end I mean really...

One Piece has exceeded Dragonball How?
I do not remember ever being an manga/anime changing the fighting Genre! Also without Dragonball you would not have any One Piece! As a matter of fact you would not have as many animes that came out today especially you Naruto fans. Hell Dragonball will never be exceded as long as you have animes and mangas basing parts from the manga/anime and are inspired by that Series ALONE. Also by this time Dragonball/Dragonball Z were huge hits and world wide unlike One Piece. Akira Toriyama to many manga artists is GOD including yours truly Oda from One Piece. Usually when you compare two series, you mainly refer to the quality of both series. And One Piece has a higher quality than the dragon ball series. You can try to read Slayerx's post to see that. But, still you may not see it and in that case no words will be sufficient to change your mind. So I'll stop in terms of convincing here.

Also, maybe you are right that without dragon ball series there wouldn't have been one piece. But, who knows maybe with the absence of Toriyama, Oda would have become that GOD you have mentioned to have his worshippers. And, quite honestly, even without the creation of dragon ball series, I believe that many would have at least come up with partial ideas that will sum up to the overall innovations of dragon ball.

Slayerx

2006-04-07, 18:12

I can't say I disagree with any of that (although the Future Trunks//unperfect cell//android saga which follows Freiza is highly underrated)...I pretty much agree with everything else you said, but a small part of my shonen heart will always belong to DBZ...The feeling I had as a 6, 7 year old forcing myself to go to sleep early on Friday Nights just to wake up at the crack of dawn so I could watch those Saturday Morning Cartoons was returned to me as a teenager via DBZ...While I've watched probably a hundred other anime series that I find much better in many different aspects (One Piece included), my connection to that series will never fade...I just can't express in words how much enjoyment I got out of the whole DBZ-experience (Only those who know can truley understand what that means)...You can never go back..that first time around was so great...To think about how many people I got hooked on that series in college...To think how many friends I had that didn't even like cartoons or anime who are now anime-freaks based on me showing them DBZ fansubs from the late 90's...Not many can understand, but that's just a part of the reason I find it hard to ignore when people either mindlessly bash it or crap on it for the sake of doing, or morso hate it because it became popular in the US and somehow they irrationally regard that as a black-eye for anime...

Now that is perfectly understandable... for me, though i did watch it, DBZ never had that level of an impact on me... gundam wing and tenchi muyo were really my gateway anime series... i mean, i'd be lying if i said i didn't enjoy it back when i was a kid, but it wasn't that too memorable for me. Of the shows i watched on saturday mornings i'd say the old Sonic the hedgehog series gives me the most nostalgia... i've grown to look at things critically, and too me, DBZ is more like one of those series thats only great when you don't care about anything but fighting and watching stuff blow up... as a kid i probably would have picked DBZ over DB, yet today, i feel that, in terms of quality, DB has more flavor to it

I don't know where you got that info, but to my knowledge it was Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney's animation style that influenced Tezuka and others, and basically is the mother of animated design that spawned the evolution of animation in Japan.
I'm actually currently taking a course in animation history...
Mickey mouse was one of Tezuka's animation influences, but Betty boop was what influenced his style

I wonder what came before mickey mouse...
Felix the cat - early 1920's
Didn't directly influnce mickey, but he is credited as the first animated character with personality.... before him, animated characters didn't have much personality
alot of stuff happen before mickey...

wingdarkness

2006-04-07, 18:37

DBZ is more like one of those series thats only great when you don't care about anything but fighting and watching stuff blow up...

As a kid I gotta tell you watching fighting and watching stuff blow-up (in cartoons)was as cool as it gets...DBZ was the amalgam of all the fighting shows I ever watched kicked up to the nth power...Made no excuses, was all about ridiculous fighting...No other show comes close to mirroring the no-holds barred super-fighting that takes place...That actually makes it a pretty original show...

Phenomenal

2006-04-07, 18:43

As a kid I gotta tell you watching fighting and watching stuff blow-up (in cartoons)was as cool as it gets...DBZ was the amalgam of all the fighting shows I ever watched kicked up to the nth power...Made no excuses, was all about ridiculous fighting...No other show comes close to mirroring the no-holds barred super-fighting that takes place...That actually makes it a pretty original show...

Indeed it does!!! Akira toriyama's masterpieces made the Shonen era what it is today as well as other cartoons. I loved DBZ as a kid and I still have no problem watching it today.

Originally Posted by Slayerx
DBZ is more like one of those series thats only great when you don't care about anything but fighting and watching stuff blow up...

And that is why it is so popular throughout the entire world.

Corn

2006-04-07, 19:03

Slayerx

2006-04-07, 20:00

I watch both Naruto and Bleach, and was always interested in One Piece.

Why have I never watched it? I don't know - It attracts me that the main character is named Luffy, which I think is a hilarious name, and I heard it was very funny and different and had a humor as good as Trigun - but...

at the same time, when I watch a long series I like it to be serious and have characters I like and think is cool when developed..

I dont know... I sort of want to see the show, but im afraid I would get dissapointed...
Well, i say give it a shot... waht have ya got to loose

While One Piece is very humoruos, the storyline and characters are great... Some moments in the anime can get very dramatic and can be very moving... Some moments i dare say are the most emotional scenes you'll ever see out of a shonen

Just remember, because it starts out slow, One Piece is an anime that you need to give it a little time before you judge it... I'd say that's not really till the Arlong arc (ep 30 or so) does it start getting good... after rouge town and a filler arc, it only goes up from there

My only complaint about One Piece is how Oda never seems willing to kill off a character... character death makes for some great drama, but character revival after supposed death only kills said drama (Like Chouji and Neji in Naruto, or DBZ)... though i do admire how Oda still manages to make a lot of emotional scenes without killing someone off...

UberDork

2006-04-08, 10:08

DUDE same here!!!

When they started the Fillers I was like DUDES!!!

WTF should I do!!!

I am a Goddamn Otaku I need ANIME!!!

So i started watching OnePiece and I was like a Superaddict...

Now it's way better than Naruto or Bleach that's my opion...

I still gonna watch Naruto and Bleach when the Filler Arc's are over...

but my fav. is def. One Piece!!!

Ogata

2006-07-04, 18:34

You know whats hillarious? I was at a convention and I cosplayed as Luffy. I met Angela and KOTOKO to get autographs and both of them knew who I was cosplaying as. I'VE's was like Kore wa Luffy desu ne? I was like sou..KAIZOKU DAN!! KOTOKO's dancers were pointing at me going....One Piece ka? I was like damn... Whats worse was there was a Naruto beside me and noone said anything to the Naruto Cosplayer. But I guess thats because its been out longer in Japan.

NinjaxAnbu

2006-07-04, 23:58

Even without all the fillers, One Piece is far superior to Bleach and Naruto. This is coming from an ex-Naruto fanboy too. As opposed to Naruto, even the most ordinary character is unique in One Piece. The depth found in the plot of One Piece is also atypical for a shounen manga.

cheese4u

2006-07-05, 15:02

to ...I just can't express in words how much enjoyment I got out of the whole DBZ-experience (Only those who know can truley understand what that means)...You can never go back..that first time around was so great...To think about how many people I got hooked on that series in college...To think how many friends I had that didn't even like cartoons or anime who are now anime-freaks based on me showing them DBZ fansubs from the late 90's...Not many can understand, but that's just a part of the reason I find it hard to ignore when people either mindlessly bash it or crap on it for the sake of doing, or morso hate it because it became popular in the US and somehow they irrationally regard that as a black-eye for anime...

..

My sentiments exactly DBZ is the ultimate anime rush. I got all my cousins, a few of my friends, and even my sisters to start watching DBZ. And I think it's very evident that a lot of the characters were inspired and the entire series itself was inspired by DBZ. Both Oda and Kishimoto have expressed the influence DBZ has had on their respective shows, and even though I like One Piece it has not surpassed DBZ, I don't think anything has. The closes show to surpassing DBZ in my mind is Naruto. One Piece is less popular than Bleach and Naruto for many reasons but I think the biggest reason is the different more "cartoony" style of animation that is used on the show. Not only that but at first glance the show seems kind of silly, and people aren't willing to look past the silliness to see that show is very deep, the best way I could describe One Piece is a 100% adrenaline rush. And those who do not like One Piece obviously has never seen Luffy fight before, because when it comes time to fight this is the #1 BADASS SHOW ON EARTH!!!!

hanxthre

2006-07-05, 15:10

The only place One Piece is less popular than Naruto and Bleach is on this forum (And that's because the episodes are lagging in the sub world)...In Japan One Piece is way more popular than those 2 shows...Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't One Piece in like the number 1 time slot on primetime Sunday Nights in Japan?? I also here it's ratings blows everything else on at the same time out of the water...I know I read somewhere it's the most popular anime in Japan in terms of consistent veiwership...

noktown

2006-07-05, 16:10

Well,I watched Naruto all episodes,i kinda liked it,but there was too much useless episodes...,the only moments i like when he's angry and uses nine tail's powers...,and when he mastered rasengan...,thats it

Then i started to watch One Piece and i saw 264 episodes in like 4-5 days :D(I watched Naruto 180 episodes in like 2 weeks ),i like OP much more then Naruto..., i saw Bleach only 1 episode,didnt like it :D

P.S.Sry for my English )

neodrag38

2006-07-05, 17:49

Then i started to watch One Piece and i saw 264 episodes in like 4-5 days :D(I watched Naruto 180 episodes in like 2 weeks ),i like OP much more then Naruto..., i saw Bleach only 1 episode,didnt like it
In 4-5 days? God, how did you find the time? Much less what kind of look would be on a person's face after that?

cheese4u

2006-07-05, 17:57

In 4-5 days? God, how did you find the time? Much less what kind of look would be on a person's face after that?

I did the same thing with the Naruto DVD's, and I'm starting on the One Piece DVD's, or at least I would if those assholes would ever send it in. Trust me if you have an entire collection of your favorite show you won't be able to stop watching until your finished. (and then regret it later because you now have nothing to do):D

shadabad

2006-07-07, 07:21

noktown

2006-07-07, 20:15

In 4-5 days? God, how did you find the time? Much less what kind of look would be on a person's face after that?

But that was really interesting :D

Ogata

2006-07-09, 00:03

One Piece is more a mainstream anime than Naruto & Bleach.
Both Naruto & Bleach are more for audience between the age of 12~18, One Piece is more open for all ages, not to mention "strange", which is the reason attracting more audience. Detective Conan is the nearest to One Piece in Japan's TV Rankings, both series feature strange un-expected fantasy characters and events.
In fact, One Piece has audience rating from 10~13 (2002~2006) in Japan, currently it's the 4th in the Japanese Audience Rating's Anime lists.

Whos got all 4XX episodes of Detective Conan? Or is it around 300 lol but yea everyone was too busy with Naruto and Bleach. Friend watched the 4Kids version and they didn't like it one bit said it was too childish. I was like man, if Angela and I'VE's knew I cosplayed as luffy and there was a Naruto beside me and they didn't say anything to the Naruto, then it must be huge in japan since Naruto isn't that popular in Japan. I just got my Enies Lobby Pants done today and I am going to be the Enies Lobby Luffy with my friends who are also going Enies Lobby =)

khoa1708

2006-07-20, 17:49

i think in the US, the dubbed version turned one piece into a joke

Zico

2006-07-22, 03:48

One Piece comedy miles ahead of Naruto comedy. When Naruto is supposed to be funny most of the time it feels more awkward than funny, and it's like someone has to give you a little reminder that you're supposed to laugh...
One Piece on the other hand, for me with all the whacky ness and the dry and often sarcastic comedy is hilarious to me. I know it's a matter of taste, but the comedy in Naruto feels like it's written by a guy who couldn't crack a good joke if his life depended on it. Even the little Q/A bits in the end of the manga where Japanese kids can ask Oda a question are often funny. Oda just has a much better sense of humor if you ask me.

One Piece creativity miles ahead of naruto, just look at the insanely large amount of unique characters, different environments, vibrant countries, island etc... Compared to this almost all of the stages of where Naruto plays out are as bland as Dragonball Z open fields and forests. It feels like the One Piece world is a whole huge fleshed out universe, and it's still far from done! The art style might not be your cup of tea, but at least One Piece dares to be different, unlike the super standard anime style naruto and bleach use which we see in 100.000 other shows too. One Piece has a refreshing style that might be closer to western animation, but it's very very fitting and makes the world come alive.

One Piece animation art and animation: Matter of taste when it comes to art, but as stated above, I prefer One Piece. As for animation quality, I'd say if you watched both, it's pretty clear, One Piece has a much higher average animation quality. In Naruto it drops from good to horrible way too often.

Storytelling, if anyone has seen both and still needs explanation why One Piece is not 1, not 2, but 3 leagues above Naruto in terms of storytelling quality...
The storytelling while Oda is often inspired by existing legends, folklore, history, and pop culture references, he gives his own spin on it and creates a marvelous romantic (not love romantic you dumbasses!) world. In Naruto it seems it's mostly bloody annoying angst and just running after sasuke and orochimaru and hyping all kinds of strong enemies just to have them defeated like it were nothing. There's barely any real storytelling. Unless you count the million references to "that jutsu" trying to make the reader extremely curious on what kind of party trick we'll see next month's issue or episode if we're lucky. One Piece just gives a lot of people the great sense of adventure, laughs and wondering what kind of awesome new vibrant world or characters Oda has waiting for us next.
Stuff that isn't like mostly the same as we've seen before! ;)

What does Naruto put up against it? A whole lot of useless cannon fodder enemies and few really fleshed out memorable characters. Loads of enemies who just all seem to be somewhat the same in motivation as well as backstory, lots of cockyness, and then they die. This is somewhat true for One Piece too, but at least there's more diversity to the characters, they stand out on their own more, and they have more vallue to the plot, be it to the story, comedy vallue or what not.

I can probably think of a number of different reasons, realize I’ve seen both shows and read both mangas, although naruto is just painful to read. And I have not watched the fillers at all when it comes to Naruto.

neodrag38

2006-07-22, 19:29

What Zico said. And really, no filler from an anime has pained me more than that of Naruto filler. One long, pointless filler arc was enough to kill off the idea of continuing to watch the anime. Still reading the manga, as somewhat painful it comes to be at times.

4F0ur

2006-07-22, 23:13

For me the reason its less popular is
coz the style of the drawing
its too cartoonish

duock

2006-07-23, 02:22

because is different country, if u look at asia, one piece is more popular than naruto.

nadare

2006-07-23, 08:14

In my country(Asia, PH), Naruto is more popular. Only a few of us like one piece. But, in other countries in Asia One piece is more popular. But, most of us that have more access to anime already dropped Naruto and still went on with one piece.

Undertaker

2006-07-27, 19:12

What's PH stand for? Phillipine?

I know that in Taiwan, China, Hong Kong and Japan itself, One Piece is much more popular....

everlasting

2006-07-27, 19:34

i was in japan for the summer and most of wat i say was one piece and hello kitty i was like omg one piece is pretty popluar in japan

igalsfy

2006-07-28, 05:03

in japan, one piece is the #1 best seller each time a new volume is out. who cares about what happens outside japan? not oda.

Evan

2006-08-01, 19:20

Naruto-is popular becuz all kids go wow over it with their stuipd crap jutsu.

Bleach-no comments,nvr touched it.

One Piece 4 lyfe

miko tian

2006-08-02, 10:52

in the us, it's pretty obvious why naruto wins over one piece. most people associate one piece with the lard 4kids cooks up. and when bleach comes, all the people who watch adult swim will all of a sudden convert from inuyashism to bleach imo.

but in japan, it's a different story. everyone knows one piece is good, so it's much more accepted and doesn't receive a ridiculous amount of prejudice and slander.

and remember that just because a show isn't particularly popular, it doesn't immediately follow that it's not great. some of my favorite anime aren't ludicrously popular, such as wolf's rain :\

attic_dude

2006-08-02, 11:02

this is what i think...

naruto started out really well and is a downhill skid because of the ridiculous fillers, bleach is following naruto but has a better filler story. one piece is great because even the fillers are a joy to watch.

drgntig

2006-08-02, 12:36

the thing is that most people see it as more of a childish anime. Due to the art work and the story line. and also look at the characters fighting style.i mean whats a gum gum kick. also the fact that it's about a good pirate. you can tell it's kind of childish.:frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :upset: :upset: :upset: :eyebrow: :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin: :twitch: :uhoh: :heh: :heh: :confused: :confused: :confused: :( :(

Undertaker

2006-08-02, 18:48

And good ninja is not kiddish? I love Ninjas, but they are sneaky little spys and assasins that are treat worse than dogs in reality and and brain-washed to do whatever the Daimiyo (Japanese Fuedal Lord) tells them to do even if it is to kill a 10 month old infants or sleep around with men/women just to get a piece of info or acting as human shield for some one.

There is a better chance for a "good" pirate to appear than a "good" ninja to appear, it's more likely to have pirates that are Robinhood like, but it's not possible for ninjas to act on he's own moral conscence due to their strick codes; those that can't complete missions are deemed worthless and in some cases hunted down and dispose of and they have absolutly no social status what so ever.

So far Naruto is nothing but a story about good ninja and their friends, which is fine by me, but totally impossible in reality and certainly more farfatched than OP. It's artwork in manga are just as kiddish as OP in the beginning as well.

I actually started reading Naruto first online because I like ninjas and find OP artwork kind of weird but then after a friend back Taiwan recommand OP and telling me how much OP is more popular in East Asia and mush better than Naruto I start to read it and got stuck immediately. Since than the only time I think Naruto was better than OP was during mid-to-late part of Sky Piea arc that I find the arc is streching too long and Naruto is at time was in the best part of it's series imo which is the Akasuki/Sanin arc.

Since than, Naruto has been in a down hill after the battle of Sannins and is getting to a point that the story is just stalling for stalling's sake and power scales are all messed up as well with too many holes starts to pop up in the stories and in addition to the lack of growth on part of Naruto himself compare to his peers. While Oda surprised my fun little arc in Davy Back Fight and a great constracted arc in Water 7 and the gap bwteen two series just getting wider and wider.

For past couple week I actually enjoy Bleach manga more than Naruto and that means something, because while I enjoyed reading Bleach I was never a huge fan of the series, all similar action manga out at time it was ranked behind Black Cat on my list but now I actually enjoy Bleach manga a little bit more than Naruto....

itachirlz

2006-08-02, 20:28

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Biswa

2006-08-13, 21:41

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Naruto&word2=One+Piece
Omg, just look at how One Piece > Naruto!

I also think I agree with the many people who have posted that it is all a matter of opinion. Some people prefer a short, deep plot over a long winded, several sub-arcs of One Piece. Personally I am a bigger fan of Bleach (followed only by One Piece in the shounen category). I am intrigued immensely by One Piece's characters, especially Luffy, but I don't think the long winded "adventure" is the best thing someone wants for over 300 episodes. Some people may have just gotten tired of the slow pacing of the anime. Other factors include funny looking animation, childishness, music, target audience, etc. Once again, it is a matter of opinion.
As for it's popularity, I have not seen any problem with it being rejecting by any audience (not even a lot of complains from 4kids watchers, but not that they'd know what the REAL show is). I've yet to see someone post a REAL poll from Japan showing it's popularity. I'd want to place this 2nd, if not number one in overall popularity from the way I see it. But i don't know how everyone in the world thinks. Someone post an actual poll and analysis. =/

Disclaimer about link above: I am well awarel that One Piece is a much vaguer term, giving it more points in that fight. Don't hassle me about it :P.

minimariam100

2006-08-31, 00:15

I think a lot of people are slipping away from Naruto considering all the filler arcs. Many people watch the first like 4 or 5 episodes and get annoyed with the Coby episodes and slow beginning. If people go up to the buggy and kuro arc, they will like it more.

Rezard

2006-09-02, 16:38

Dual247

2006-09-02, 19:02

waitaminute waitaminute, you're telling me that OP is all about nonsensical fun with the no real storyline? and then you're comparing how naruto is more emotional and dramatic? i'm sorry, almost everything you say is the complete opposite of how i feel.

but first of all, just because the show's animation is different and toony doesn't make it a childish series.

secondly, if you think about it, perhaps almost all of your friends like naruto more is because you like it more and somewhat disliking OP. i mean from the way you talk about the show makes it sound like you don't really appreciate what it truly offers. so, if you don't like OP and like naruto, why wouldn't your friends, who you talk to on a constant basis not feel the same way. unless you like having friends that constantly bicker with each other about different shows.

now i'm not sure how much of OP you're watched or maybe you've watched the american version. but OP is all about character development. that's its main theme. the fighting is completely secondary, because as you said, you normally know who'll win anyway. but that's not what its about. its about this group of nakamas journeying the grandline together. there's constant growth with the group. and i'm definitely not sure what you're smoking when you say the character histories are more dramatic in naruto. again i ask, have you even watched the true japanese series of OP before instead of the crap that is the american version? the characters' past are one of the most important aspect of these pirates, because they define who they are, why they're here, and what drives them. so your so-called claims are completely wrong.

and once again, you look at the animation style and you come to the conclusion that its simply a comedy with the occasional dramatics. that's how i see it. but the way i see it, its a show that COMBINES comedy with dramatics. i mean all seriousness and no fun leads to a boring show.

i can see how you're here up and loaded with prime examples of how naruto this and naruto that and how the characters are so much more complex. i certainly don't mind that, but claiming one piece doesn't is just complete ignorance. i'm a big fan of naruto too, but they feel like different shows to me and i enjoy that. i perhaps like naruto's fight scenes a tad better, but the character interactions are no doubt better in OP. so instead of coming on here and try to kick OP to the curb, you can go back and chat with you Naruto fans about how great that show is, since obviously you don't know how good OP is. no point trying to make you like it since you obviously are too attached to naruto.

last thing, don't mix up creativity with absurdity. while OP is filled with creativity, your little cats, dogs, monkeys crap is complete nonsense. thank you :twitch:

minimariam100

2006-09-02, 21:46

i think its better that one piece doesnt have so many fillers like naruto..

nduns

2006-09-02, 22:01

Simply put, a lot of people in America not only base their perceptions off of the dub, but if it's not some cliched plot about giant swords and samurai or ninjas, it's not worst watching. Seriously, OP is ten times popular in Japan and in America, its popularity is growing. Sadly, here in Canada, nobody has ever heard of watching episodes on the Internet, so almost nobody where I live likes One Piece because all they've seen is the dub. I only know 5 people who has given up on dubs permanently and switched to subs. You know why? Where I live, we get no Japanese imports! I freaking hate Alberta because all we ever have to deal with here is English dub crap. The only time I ever came close to getting the original version of a game here was Sonic Heroes only because you can change the language to Japanese.

nduns

2006-09-02, 22:19

In the internet, almost all my friends like Naruto more than One Piece.

Sure One Piece is fine, but Naruto characters are more emtional and dramatic. Almost all characters are dramatic, the history is more dramatic. (Friends fighting each other, people being treated unjustly, etc).

While you might hate or like this, normally people do like this and feel easier to identify with the characters. There are dramatic scenes in OP, but they are not as deep as the ones in Naruto.

Also the fights are more fun and hard to tell, since the heroes do not win using only raw power, it´s need to be smart sometimes, to use strategy. Kiba vs Naruto fight was like this.

I find OP´s absurd world sometimes fun, but it’s starting to tire me. (I can create absurd stuff too, but that doesn’t mean I am being creative. Ex.: a gigantic cat that runs in a lake, explode, turns into rain of dogs, and forms a land of dead monkeys. This is not creative, it´s absurd). The show is also more childish.

Yet another tragic dub victim. Okay, here's the past life of each Straw Hat.

Luffy: He cut a scar under his eye to prove that he was tough, and Shanks still wouldn't let him join his crew. After he was kidnapped by a pissed off bandit, Shanks gave up his arm to save Luffy, and Luffy cried really hard. Upon leaving, Shanks gave Luffy his prized possession and told Luffy to give it back when he became a great pirate.

Zoro: He spent his life trying to beat Kuina. Instead, even when they were serious, after all of his training, Kuina would always hand his ass to him on a silver platter. Shortly after the two made a pact that one would be the best in the world, Kuina died from falling down the stairs. That's the real story. She was not crippled and never to be seen again. (Though that's just stupid) She died at a really bad time. Why else would Zoro have been standing in front of her grave after she was "Crippled" yet still alive? Nope, 4kids lied to you and ignored the true story completely.

Nami: She was raised by Bellemere who loved her a lot. One day, Arlong came to Bellmere's house. Bellmere paid him 100000 berries so her two daughters could go free, but instead, Arlong took Nami away and had one of his men shoot Bellemere. That's right. She also died. She was not sent to an isolated prison never to be heard from again. That's just rediculous and defies even 4kids' logic. Long after that, after Nami nearly had enough money to buy her village back from the monster, marines came and took it all away and she cried and stabbed herself on the shoulder to remove her Arlong tatoo.

Usopp: His father left him when he was young and his mother died a while after that. You don't call that sad?

Sanji: Zeff ate his own leg so Sanji could have all the leftover food for himself. Is that not dramatic?

Chopper: In his past, he was always abused by everyone except a doctor named Hiriluk. Chopper discovered the man had a deadly illness that was sure to end his life. Sadly, after Chopper claimed to have cured the doctor of his deadly illness, that good doctor ended up dying faster because of Chopper's miracle cure, so he went to King Wapol and commited suicide in front of him.

Robin: She sunk a whole island with a million inhabitants on it and now everyone fears her.

Seriously, try watching a lot of original episodes. You'll see twice the drama that Naruto has, if not ten times.

minimariam100

2006-09-02, 23:35

I dont think the reason the buster call was put in motion was because of robin alone, it was because of that entire group of archaeologists knew stuff/were researching stuff that was against the law. If they got any further they would have gained dangerous knowledge.

sleroux

2006-09-03, 10:03

in most part of europe, people doesn't even hear about Bleach, narroto
on the other hand, OP is in every bookstore, supermarket, so one piece is 100 times more popular in there. I think the europeans could more relate to op's story, with thier seacultures history of vikings, fleed and such. US dosnt care about all that stuff

Like the europeans, people from China, which has a big anime market, also leans more toward one piece then the other two

overall, One piece is the most popular, just not in america

chitgoks

2006-09-05, 07:04

naruto is famous in the philippines. one piece is better too but i think that naruto got more exposure sot hat's why. but nowadays, one piece is consistent with it being good. while naruto got worse with its boring theme and corny and annoying fillers.

even the 2nd half of naruto doesnt match up with one piece.i was a big fan of naruto but even when reading the manga, one piece is waaaaaaay better than naruto

vietpimp

2006-09-05, 10:15

Because nobody die in One Piece. Also the drawing is Ugly. Not to mention it is too long.

ragweed

2006-09-05, 13:06

Wait, One Piece is less popular than Bleach? When did this happen?

S_C_L-1

2006-09-08, 08:27

A chicken? An egg? Or was it the other way around?
in quantum physics... both.

/offtopic

Because nobody die in One Piece.

nobody dies in OP? are you retarded? just because they dont go and show tons blood and gibs doesnt mean there arent any deaths... they only emphasize on the deaths that matter Nami's adoptive mother, zoro's childhood rival/friend, ussops mother, the doctor that raised choppe, robins... every 1... u get the idea?

before we start comparing series (bit late but w/e), realise that the shows u watched during your childhood will NEVER seem as cool as they were...

watched "Captain N" recently? i have... (which was incidently Matt Hill's first VA job)

As for the whoal "DB is teh uber original", keep in mind that Goku (small monkey person with an extending rod) is from an old japanese book (something like 1000 years old?).

vietpimp

2006-09-08, 09:22

vietpimp

2006-09-08, 09:26

in quantum physics... both.

/offtopic

nobody dies in OP? are you retarded? just because they dont go and show tons blood and gibs doesnt mean there arent any deaths... they only emphasize on the deaths that matter Nami's adoptive mother, zoro's childhood rival/friend, ussops mother, the doctor that raised choppe, robins... every 1... u get the idea?

before we start comparing series (bit late but w/e), realise that the shows u watched during your childhood will NEVER seem as cool as they were...

watched "Captain N" recently? i have... (which was incidently Matt Hill's first VA job)

As for the whoal "DB is teh uber original", keep in mind that Goku (small monkey person with an extending rod) is from an old japanese book (something like 1000 years old?).

Goku wasn't based on a japanese book u moron its based on a chinese story. It was based on the story of "Journey to the West" or some crap like that where the monkey king had to take the monk to get some sultra. So before you start insulting people why don't you stfu and rethink what you are typing.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-08, 13:02

Goku wasn't based on a japanese book u moron its based on a chinese story. It was based on the story of "Journey to the West" or some crap like that where the monkey king had to take the monk to get some sultra. So before you start insulting people why don't you stfu and rethink what you are typing.
1, nice double post
2, i just find it idiotic that ppl (mangakas in this case) have to spell everything out for ppl (like... OMG ALOT OF PPL DIED!)
3, case in point, goku isnt an "original" character. so instead of belittling me for a mix up in what area the book came from, take the point of it instead.

tkdtiger

2006-09-08, 14:19

I never really got into one piece. I don't know I thought it wasn't very interesting at first. I also thought it was a bit kiddy and the story was kind of repetitive to me. I also had to get used to the art in One Piece. Ironically even though I didn't like it at first it has grown on me a little.

ShikaShika

2006-09-08, 16:55

I used to prefer Naruto to One Piece, because well... Naruto just seemed a lot more serious, without lacking a sense of humor. One Piece, while being very funny at times, seemed awfully divided in its arcs. What I mean by that is that the arcs were really easy to seperate by who the new nakama (well most of the time) and villain was. This was of course most obvious in the beginning, but the lack of recurring antagonists still get to me. In that department, One Piece really only has Smoker, and it'd be almost hard to call him an antagonist. Naruto on the other hand has (imo) a few great recurring villains lending some more continuity and a more complex plot (though not always great) to the series.

Though I very much enjoyed One Piece all the time, it was the Water 7 arc that completely turned me around. I now count myself among the One Piece fans first, and Naruto second. :) While I read Bleach and sort of enjoy it, it's beyond me how anyone could prefer it to either of the other two. But that's me.

Well, I wrote more than I had intended, now everyone's probably going to skip my post. :p I've not really watched the animes of either of these in a very long time, so I'm only commenting on the mangas.

Dual247

2006-09-08, 17:14

no, you made your opinion known :D

Rezard

2006-09-08, 18:38

nduns

2006-09-08, 21:10

Believe it or not, the death thing I've noticed. It only seems to happen in flashbacks. In present time you hardly see anyone die.

Also, the drawings are NOT horrible! Just because they think outside the box doesn't mean they're aweful. In fact, they're the most detailed animations I EVER saw. Just because characters don't look like most normal people do doesn't mean that this isn't creative. I mean, how many people could come up with a homosexual who wears a superball and makeup? I don't know very many.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-09, 04:45

Actually none of your examples really died, they were all already dead when history begin, you just find how they died trough flashbacks. There are very few deaths and absolutely none among main or secondary characters.

how about every 1 in frankys crew? thats ALOT of deaths!

UserName

2006-09-09, 09:27

[QUOTE=Rezard]Actually none of your examples really died, they were all already dead when history begin, you just find how they died trough flashbacks. There are very few deaths and absolutely none among main or secondary characters.[/QUOTE
Well since this is being compared to Bleach also. No one excepted hollows (who are already dead) dies in that except in flashbacks and about 5 shinigami killed by Mayuri. Which can be compared to the current deaths in One Piece that probably greater in number, such as possibly Nero, Roshio almost definitely, about 100 on Whiskey Peak, and so on.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-09, 11:26

Well since this is being compared to Bleach also. No one excepted hollows (who are already dead) dies in that except in flashbacks and about 5 shinigami killed by Mayuri. Which can be compared to the current deaths in One Piece that probably greater in number, such as possibly Nero, Roshio almost definitely, about 100 on Whiskey Peak, and so on.

thats a good point... i guess with the gory fights and style, you dont actually notice the lack of deaths... even tho the universe that it is set in has... well... EVERYTHING to do with death... "i c dead ppl", "im a death god!", etc...

king chopper

2006-09-10, 12:25

i basicly watch one piece inuyasha and naruto and like all 3 and dont really care if they seem than other anime

bara_ouji

2006-09-12, 19:46

Personally, I just dont like the animation style for OP, thats why I only stuck around for 10 episodes. Manga wise, I stuck around for most of the volumes. I probably would have enjoyed OP more if I hadnt waited for the dub to come out.

Samourai

2006-09-12, 19:59

I always over looked One Piece, being heavily into Naruto and Bleach, but i recently got the 1st vol of the Manga and im in love with it!

nduns

2006-09-12, 22:50

I always over looked One Piece, being heavily into Naruto and Bleach, but i recently got the 1st vol of the Manga and im in love with it!
Good for you! If you want a reason to love One Piece through the power of dubbing, reading the manga is your key to salvation! The dubbed manga may not be perfect, but at least it's accurate.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-13, 05:02

Good for you! If you want a reason to love One Piece through the power of dubbing, reading the manga is your key to salvation! The dubbed manga may not be perfect, but at least it's accurate.

if it wasnt, there would be a line of ppl with sniper rifles at the local vantage point :P

Jn183

2006-09-13, 06:26

First off you don't have to call people retarded .

Second I need characters that is shown. How bout some villains. Only seen them punch each other wow. I stopped after like 50 or so ep btw so I might not know what I'm talking about :P but what turned me off from that anime was the oogly drawing and the crappy Nakama crap or watever it is.
it's my NINDO!!!! it's my NINDO!!! *wink*

Saw upt o 50ish eh? You must have saw Arlong arc which show the octopus exploding in the water aka dead. Arlong and his crew are dead. Maybe not Chu, the weird mouth looking one. We don't need the main casts to says Yes these villians R.I.P, do we?

K done with that quote

To people typing no reoccurring villian:
Alvida (Since ep 1) O_o
Capt. Morgan (Since ep 2) O_o
Buggy (Since ep 5?) O_o
Jango (Since ep 14ish) O_o
Fullbody Fist (Since ep 20ish) O_o
Blackbread (Since ep 80ish) O_o
Maybe Wapol??

S_C_L-1

2006-09-13, 08:51

it's my NINDO!!!! it's my NINDO!!! *wink*

Saw upt o 50ish eh? You must have saw Arlong arc which show the octopus exploding in the water aka dead. Arlong and his crew are dead. Maybe not Chu, the weird mouth looking one. We don't need the main casts to says Yes these villians R.I.P, do we?

K done with that quote

To people typing no reoccurring villian:
Alvida (Since ep 1) O_o
Capt. Morgan (Since ep 2) O_o
Buggy (Since ep 5?) O_o
Jango (Since ep 14ish) O_o
Fullbody Fist (Since ep 20ish) O_o
Blackbread (Since ep 80ish) O_o
Maybe Wapol??

not as if any 1 is gonna take a guy called "vietpimp" seriously anyway *rolls eyes*
__________________________________________________ _________

Enel is still alive and will come back fo' sho' (maybe another sky island arc?)
Crocodile comes back later on (most likely next arc)
Black Beard & Co. will be back (easily one of the big 3 other pirate crews)
that iron jaw guy makes an appearance...
Hawk Eyes Mihawk is gonna be a big player in a later arc (along with all the other shichibukai)
Smoker
the ENTIRETY of the WORLD GOVERNMENT... and with chapter 426, we know just how BAD that is for the strawhats...

Hiking_Bear

2006-09-13, 15:51

I find OP´s absurd world sometimes fun, but it’s starting to tire me. (I can create absurd stuff too, but that doesn’t mean I am being creative. Ex.: a gigantic cat that runs in a lake, explode, turns into rain of dogs, and forms a land of dead monkeys. This is not creative, it´s absurd). The show is also more childish.

That's kind of funny, because I just finished watching episode 1-140 of Naruto and I saw a giant frog, snake, and slug running around; the slug exploded into a rain of smaller slugs; and I saw a half dead monkey man that can turn into a stick.
:uhoh:

Electroguy

2006-09-13, 16:48

nduns

2006-09-13, 17:08

You know, I'm going to say something that even surprises me and that I thought I'd never catch myself saying:

One Piece is the only show I've seen that actually makes sense all the time. Now, you got Inuyasha. Some like that better because it's gorier and, well, you get the stereotypes that no dub fan has ever overlooked before. Still, it's mostly "Look, there's a random villain! Even if he doesn't have a jewel shard, we'll still kill him anyway. First, Inuyasha will use wind scar and... wait... that's it!"

You got One Piece. This is always "I can't stand this guy doing such bad things and making people suffer and ruining the world anymore. I'm going to kill him and free the people of his wickedness."

See, all the action anime shows that everyone likes often contain one or two successful story elements. One Piece contains every successful story element known to man ('cept maybe romance). Honestly, Naruto is just a bunch of running gags and the same moves over and over again. One Piece has different moves in every major fight, character developement and fresh humor all the time. If anything, Inuyasha and Naruto try to hard by literally staying the same and even using the same villains 2 or 3 times.

Of course, one of the main reasons OP is less popular and Bleach and Naruto is simple: People look at the character design and call it childish without even watching enough episodes to get the feel of it. Tries too hard? This is the story Oda always wanted to see as a kid, and when his dream comes true (And successful), Americans put it down frequently. Now, yes, originally, it was intended for kids, but then it became PG-13. Now even adults love it.

Now let's compare fights again. Inuyasha: Used to be cool, now it's Wind Scar in every fight.
Naruto: Clone Jutsu and a bunch of random moves meant to impress the crowd all the time.
One Piece: Doesn't always involve the same attacks over and over again. Luffy uses a different attack to beat every big foe now. Same goes for every character.

Trax

2006-09-13, 17:53

Some decent points have been made against OP. Saying it's childish however is going too far though imo. The drawing style is quirky and cartoony, aswell as the gags, but the development and story aren't exactly childish (except the 4kids version perhaps). I happen to like the combination, I think OP is simply fun to watch throughout, and the cartoony humor plays a big part in that. I do agree a bit about the lack of actual deaths besides those that happened in the past. There are so many that shouldn't still be breathing after such a brutal fight. Or f.e. Wapol not drowning after getting bazooka'd into the sea; there's no way his men could have gotten to him in time. I guess that's another aspect of the cartooniness - drop a 100ton weight on them but they still survive like Tom & Jerry.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-13, 19:01

Not to slam anyones opinions but I find OP to be a bit childish. I mean sure you could argue the same thing for Naruto and Bleach that they are predominately aimed at children but OP doesn't have the same kind of intensity or philosphy to it as Bleach or Naruto.

Its funny in places but I feel like it trys to hard to be quirky or mystical sometimes.

but it does have symbolism. which IMHO > philosophy (which bleach/naruto/inu yasha dont have much of anyway, they just reuse the little they have over and over again)

Some decent points have been made against OP. Saying it's childish however is going too far though imo. The drawing style is quirky and cartoony, aswell as the gags, but the development and story aren't exactly childish (except the 4kids version perhaps). I happen to like the combination, I think OP is simply fun to watch throughout, and the cartoony humor plays a big part in that. I do agree a bit about the lack of actual deaths besides those that happened in the past. There are so many that shouldn't still be breathing after such a brutal fight. Or f.e. Wapol not drowning after getting bazooka'd into the sea; there's no way his men could have gotten to him in time. I guess that's another aspect of the cartooniness - drop a 100ton weight on them but they still survive like Tom & Jerry.

i think its fair to say that Anime originally started because the mangakas were trying to imitate American cartoons.

Look at Astro Boy, the characters have very rounded and sometimes caricature-esk features depending on their character traits. so Oda actually created something alot closer to what anime was initially trying to be.

Hiking_Bear

2006-09-13, 19:25

Not to slam anyones opinions but I find OP to be a bit childish. I mean sure you could argue the same thing for Naruto and Bleach that they are predominately aimed at children but OP doesn't have the same kind of intensity or philosphy to it as Bleach or Naruto.

Its funny in places but I feel like it trys to hard to be quirky or mystical sometimes.

I actually think Naruto is less intense than OP. I'd say about 40% of all the Naruto anime is flashbacks to someone's sad past where they were lonely, or their parents died, and how all of these events that happened to them in their past led them to strive for greatness or recognition or validation (this applies to Naruto, Sasuke, Haku, Chouji, Kimimaru, Gaara, and probably many more). That sort of thing is good the first few times, but if you use the same type of story again and again for each character that you come across, the sadness of the situation loses some of it's impact. Ninjas are supposed to act like tough, skillful, emotionless soldiers, but in almost all the episodes I've seen (and I'm not even exaggerating) a ninja is crying their eyes out and the "sadness and sorrow" music starts playing in the background. I still like Naruto, but they go overboard on the emo.

nduns

2006-09-13, 19:54

Saying it's childish however is going too far though imo.
So true, but this isn't the worst thing I've heard people say about it. I once heard a person say OP was more retarded than the pirate from Donkey Kong.

regasatanum

2006-09-14, 00:02

my initial impression of One piece wanst good. but after a few episode i got addicted.

...and i stopped watching Naruto anime or read their manga, i will rather spend my pastime re-watch One piece.

I think its quite true that One Piece is less popular... but i think its all because of the marketing,advertisment strategy that made naruto/bleach more popular. Otherwise they are owned by Luffy.

Jn183

2006-09-14, 03:40

Death count:

Naruto:
Haku
3rd hokage
Zabuza(sp?)
Hiyata(sp?) (the ninja that look sick)
Forgot if those jounin got kill by Oro's 4 follower
Village people die (invasion of leaf village)
Genin's exam (forest)
The 3 sound village ninja
The two people that try to tell Gaara to lose to Sasuke

Flashback death:
Uchiha's clan
Haku's clan
Gaara's uncle?
4th hokage
Kakashi's friend
5th hokage's BF/bro

One Piece:
People that arlong's crew killed
Marines that Don Krieg 1st mate killed
The Unluckies
The cat brother (kuro's pirate)
Arlong's crew
Mr. 11
Miss Monday
Mr. 9
BW billion (Ace roasted them)
Mr.1
Miss Doubelfinger
Arabasta's people
Those pirate Crocodile killed
Bounty hunters that got kill at Whiskey peak
(Lets stop at Arabasta arc)

FlashBack Death:
Gol D Roger
bandit that kidnap Luffy
Belleme (sp?)
Dr Hilluku (sp?)
Usopp's mother

I forgot alot of Naruto stuffs since I lose so much interest in it. Feel free to add in what I'm missing before Naruto's filler.

Anyway, I don't see how Naruto surpass One Piece in death unless 3rd Hokage counts as 5000 death. *wink*

So please stop it with OP blows b/c it does nto have people dying. O_o

neodrag38

2006-09-14, 06:51

Actually, that octopus mermen from Arlong's crew and Mr.1 seem to still be alive based on the cover mini stories. Anyway, there was that time Don Krieg killed one of his men, unless you want to argue that getting shot to the chest area and falling into the sea isn't a reflection of death.:D And the stuff with Shanks and Luffy being a killed isn't really a flashback since in the manga these things happen in part of a chronology where the first ep and other stuff showed before bringing up Shanks was done so to bring some action and interest first then move on to bringing Luffy's flashback of Shanks.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-14, 08:09

also, Zoro's childhood friend dies, all of that fat *****'s crew (shes the only survivor), mr 14? i think that was his number... the guy that wore a crown...

and after the Alabasta arc, there are a ton of deaths, both flashback and non-flashback... and i mean a TON

Trax

2006-09-15, 05:00

Yes, there are deaths, but those are mostly: 1) in the past (flashbacks) 2) cannon fodder (unsignificant, nameless characters) or 3) animals (the OP crew kills tons of animals for food, and since the Unluckies are animals they were... unlucky). I suppose I wasn' t specific enough before. In the current timeflow, there are no confirmed deaths of (somewhat) significant characters that I can think of. There are plenty of cases where you would assume they were done for, but it turns out some are still alive after all so I'm starting to doubt all of these cases. One instance in particular that I hated was that Pell survived, it killed the drama of his self-sacrifice for me.

S_C_L-1

2006-09-15, 09:16

One instance in particular that I hated was that Pell survived, it killed the drama of his self-sacrifice for me.

agreed, completely anti-climactic.

sleroux

2006-09-15, 10:30

All the characters who should be dead!!
main
usopp
ace (killed by blackbeard)

secondary
sanjis master! him with the awsome kick
smoker!
crocodile!!!!!!!
all the agents from baroque
king cobra
princess vivi
all their servants
him warrior with the bazooka, from skyisland
captain silverfox and crew, (by general iceman)
rockstar
every cp-9

if they were all dead, no one is gonna doubt that OP is the most popular animation

Dual247

2006-09-15, 12:51

:heh: so true sleroux

anyway, i don't understand how people could keep using that reason to compare popularity between the series. would any of the "should be dead", if they had happened, make you like the series more or less? i mean seriously, jeez. the only death/resurrection that i sorta have a major problem with was pell from arabasta. his death probably would've been more impactful towards the nation. but ah well, it leads to some nice and fun miniarcs. so anyway, those that just say how the lack of death makes this series less interesting or popular is just reaching at straws.

i mean, come on people. we all know why its less popular. its the freakin marketing here in north america. the way this show is treated with the god-awful dubbed version, who the hell wants to get near that piece of shit? they changed it from what it is to what it isn't. on the other hand, we have naruto. that license is being treated as gold and with care over at cartoon network. they did it right and did it with justice. sure there are some edits here and there with some blood, but blood still exist. and then the voice dub, it actually sound decent, and at times, sounds great. there's no doubt which series is being taken seriously.

i mean, is it any wonder why one piece is more popular than naruto overseas? OP is the most popular series in japan. why? are the people there just weird. no. its because they actually get the true story of the series, not some butchered up, barneyfied version that the dumb execs at 4Sh%t thinks will best benefit their company and only their company. if OP was marketing the right way from day 1 with materials true to the source, i have no doubt it'd be one of the top shows in america alongside naruto. :mad: and that's the bottom line cuz stone... cuz i said so :cool:

S_C_L-1

2006-09-15, 13:18

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=145

Dual247

2006-09-15, 13:42

:heh: so mean.... yet sooo true. sad :(

Undertaker

2006-09-16, 09:58

Awwwwww! That's too funny ^__^

but like Dual247 said, it is so true....... -__-

monir

2006-09-16, 20:30

Didn't really want to post in the thread but the overwhelming desire to do a few factual checks swayed me away from my resolve.

i mean, come on people. we all know why its less popular. its the freakin marketing here in north america. the way this show is treated with the god-awful dubbed version, who the hell wants to get near that piece of shit? they changed it from what it is to what it isn't.
Actually, we don't _all_ know why One Piece is less popular, but a lot of us have our own theories and speculations on the matter. The fact is, One Piece never had such a big following outside of Japan even before the show would suffer the wrath of Fox Kids. Of course, there were considerable followings for the original version then (and still are) but those number pales in comparison to shows such as Naruto (or Bleach), i.e. simply compare some of the bittorrent stats for those shows.

on the other hand, we have naruto. that license is being treated as gold and with care over at cartoon network. they did it right and did it with justice. sure there are some edits here and there with some blood, but blood still exist. and then the voice dub, it actually sound decent, and at times, sounds great. there's no doubt which series is being taken seriously.
This is another argument that is seen often enough anytime this sort of topic comes along. I like to think that the most knowledgeable people are those who are behind the scenes' bringing these shows who are also known as the marketers/licensors. They obviously feel a show like Naruto will appeal to a wider range of intended audience than One Piece which is why there was such a huge bidding war went for sometime before Naruto was licensed by an American company. One Piece's licensing, on the other hand, was quite lowkey and remained vague
for sometime. Go (http://forums.animesuki.com/archive/index.php/t-255.html) here to get a feel for what I'm trying to say. It took place about 3 years back. The outcry about the 4Kids' atrocity began only after the dub started airing which also gave One Piece some recognition to few more new fans, inadvertantly of course.

if OP was marketing the right way from day 1 with materials true to the source, i have no doubt it'd be one of the top shows in america alongside naruto. :mad: and that's the bottom line cuz stone... cuz i said so :cool:
This one of the popular reasoning for people who likes to point out when asked why OP is less popular than Naruto. I, myself, don't quite share that reasoning though I understand, there might be some truth to it. I believe One Piece, even with it's original story (with those superb musical scores,) never had a chance among the target audience of the western market.

i mean, is it any wonder why one piece is more popular than naruto overseas? OP is the most popular series in japan.
I'm surprised that nobody asked the question, "which version of the OP is more popular in Japan - the animated version, the manga version, or both?" The answer is, the manga version of OP is one of the most popular manga published in Shounen Jump. Naruto manga is the other most popular manga that is being weekly published. On an unrelated fact, I think it was last year when it was published somewhere the earnings of the top 5 mangaka in Japan, and Kishimoto was residing the 1st place.

While OP and Naruto are indeed very popular manga-wise, animated OP has been steadily dwindling down in the TV rating in Japan for the past 9 months or so, which directly reflects it popularity among fans. Naruto, on the other hand, still comfortably makes the top 10 chart in the TV rating even with these craptacular filler.

What it tells us is that animated Naruto is more popular than the animated One Piece at this moment in Japan while the manga counterpart for both of these title are very popular.

Btw, here (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/8985.html) is a top-100 list for comic/manga titles that are selling in the US as of June 2006. Here (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/8985.html) is a refined version of that list that only shows the manga. I don't see One Piece in that list while Naruto, Bleach, and Nana are all their.

The obvious conclusion is that while One Piece's popularity is exclusively in Japan, shows like Naruto enjoys popularity inside in Japan and outside.

Undertaker

2006-09-17, 01:23

I won:t say it exclusively in Japon, As far as I know OP is definitely more popular in the surrounding area as well (China, Taiwan, Hon Kong and Korea)

I agree with assessment on the anime, with OP start to losing a bit to naruto but Manga-wise OP still hold the firm ground. I believe Vol. 24 (End of Croc fight) is still holds the record as the highest selling manga in Japan.

That being said, both are still beast of a series, I don't remeber any time in past twenty years or so to have two series this popular at same time, DB was the undisputed #1 before these two and before then, it was to Doremon series....

Hiking_Bear

2006-10-16, 10:13

Here are the numbers for most popular manga in Japan:

http://www.comipress.com/196

It looks like One Piece is on it's way to becoming Japan's best selling manga.

Here is poll of the most popular animated series in Japan from 2005:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=7455

The popularity of a manga doesn't mean that it's animated version will also be popular. For example, in the US x-men is the most popular comic book series, but the Simpsons and Family Guy are the most popular animated series.

pinkflower80

2006-10-16, 14:53

WHAT>!?!?!?!?!one piece is least rated then bleach and Naruto?!?!?!THAT CAN'T BE!!!that is werid. But some of my ideasfor the reason is for.

1) We don't have many anime Fans out there cause they are all "popular" and all that junk.
2) cause right nw they are playing REVIEW episodes of One piece which makes me amd cause i want them to play new ones.
3) cause peopel are stuipd for not liking it.
4) cause peopel are stuipd for not liking it.
And 5).......cause they are stuipd for not liking it!!!

THERE!!!! those are my idea for the reasons. HOPE TO TALK SOON!!!:D

chitgoks

2006-10-17, 08:28

pinkflower80

2006-10-17, 14:53

i used to like naruto. but it hell got boring pretty soon.. even i dont like the manga anymore.. one piece is waaaaaaaay better.. even the fillers are waaaaaaaaay better than both bleach and naruto.

bleach's filler is making renji boring ... that group who's making the filler is a trying hard group wanting to try hard and delay the anime as much as possible

OMG!!!! you DON'T like Naruto anymore?!?!?!shame on you!!!and you don't ;like Mangas anymore either?!?!?!?SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!!! no affense or anything. ad true that onepiece is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better then ANYTHING!!!!WOOT!!!!:D

Chuixupu

2006-10-17, 17:16

Whoa, someone needs to lay off the caffeine...:eek:

nduns

2006-10-17, 20:48

Whoa, someone needs to lay off the caffeine...:eek:

I know! I can't believe we went this long without brining up this little point:

Easy on the exclamation points and question marks. It's a waste of space.

S_C_L-1

2006-10-17, 23:44

Whoa, someone needs to lay off the caffeine...:eek:

or the bishis :P

Climhazard

2006-10-18, 10:39

I know! I can't believe we went this long without brining up this little point:

Easy on the exclamation points and question marks. It's a waste of space.

I was tempted to bring it up, but i didnt want to start an all out flame war on an otherwise nice forum....!!!!!!!!!!!

pinkflower80

2006-10-21, 13:15

HEY!!!! is that refering to me?!?!!?:upset:

S_C_L-1

2006-10-21, 13:18

HEY!!!! is that refering to me?!?!!?:upset:

sry, but i really had to highlight that...

pinkflower80

2006-10-31, 15:28

sry, but i really had to highlight that...

and WHY did you have to hight light that? Thats is just WERID!!!

forest child

2006-10-31, 15:34

to show you that you are using too many !'s and ?'s.

S_C_L-1

2006-10-31, 15:37

to show you that you are using too many !'s and ?'s.

shouldve done it the other way around... cuz it looks like a question?

pinkflower80

2006-10-31, 16:23

*sweat drops* i TOTALLY knew that. but i can't HELP myself!!!I like to do that!!!!hehehehe!!!!!!!:D

matsuno

2006-10-31, 22:29

*sweat drops* i TOTALLY knew that. but i can't HELP myself!!!I like to do that!!!!hehehehe!!!!!!!:D

you are the most annoying person on this forum, bar none.

Chuixupu

2006-11-01, 00:02

I agree.:p

S_C_L-1

2006-11-01, 02:36

you are the most annoying person on this forum, bar none.

you have gained 30 reputation points with the S_C_L-1 faction

pinkflower80

2006-11-01, 15:16

:( :( :( :( is that what you guys really think of me? Ijust try to be funny. *balls out tears* How rude!!!

forest child

2006-11-01, 16:10

well....u can be a little over hyper at moments, srry.

S_C_L-1

2006-11-01, 16:11

if you try to be funny, it doesnt work.

thats the way the apple crumbles (shut up)

Chuixupu

2006-11-02, 02:08

The only reason why I don't give her a really hard time is because she's only 13...so I understand...a little (but I know people younger who don't type as badly).

Which is why I asked if she was for real and not some troll just messing around. Pinkflower, you really need to learn better forum etiquette. I really don't want to be mean, you just don't seem to know that there's a right and a wrong way to use messageboards. This isn't text messaging... you'll be better liked if you take some time to learn about it.

S_C_L-1

2006-11-02, 02:50

matsuno

2006-11-02, 03:02

^ agree
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-Trolls immitating 13 year old girls? I guess it depends on how vague your definition of "troll" is. To me, a troll is... pretty much every 1 on 4chan for example.

-Her being 13 + "lack of understanding what the problem was" are the reasons that I and most of us (i think) give her some slack. I havent seen many "STFU GTFO"s flying around, so i guess she might have some potential to post well.

Exactly, the post is a placeholder to get your attention and make you think a little bit about it. Reading some of your posts is like having a 6 yo screaming how they are naruto running around you in circles for two hours strait. And when you compound these posts together you get the troll level of idiocy that plagues so many forums and newsgroups.

Every post anyone reads and responds to should be taken with a grain of salt, as they are opinions, and people who are on the net alot have found three ways to cope. 1. is that they try to overact it and antagonise people, leading to either them leaving or only others like them with the exact same point of view being left. 2. is to be a complete ass, and just flame anyone who talks out of turn and make them feel small and insignificant (actually this is about 60% of all people online). 3. is to j ust actually discuss it out, even with the craziest ideas. you throw in your points, take others points and argue it out, even over an argument as stupid as "who can eat more, Zoro or Usopp?" .

The 3rd is the vast majority of this forum, and like I had stated, wed like ot keep that mind set in check. If you dont want to try doing that, then I will say GTFO, otherwise have fun and be happy.

S_C_L-1

2006-11-02, 03:15

Exactly, the post is a placeholder to get your attention and make you think a little bit about it. Reading some of your posts is like having a 6 yo screaming how they are naruto running around you in circles for two hours strait. And when you compound these posts together you get the troll level of idiocy that plagues so many forums and newsgroups.

oh, like animeforum.com?

*shudders*

i met a total of 7 respectable ppl on that site... TOTAL...

forest child

2006-11-02, 15:56

animeforum.com? is that another forum?

pinkflower80

2006-11-02, 16:05

.......oh.....well i am sorry it is just how i am with answering forms and stuff. All want to do is make friends and be noticed and not be left out and stuff...guessit back fired.....sorry. MAN I HATE MY LIFE!!!!

S_C_L-1

2006-11-02, 16:10

^ emo = myspace

not animesuki

and yes, animeforum.com is another forum. unfortunately, 90% of its population is hyperactive 13 year olds who dont know any forum ettiquet and make millions of pointless, never ending, opinionated threads.

the other 10% is the respectable ppl and admins. unfortunately, the previous group pisses off every 1 in this 10%, so the admins become abusive E-monsters and the non-admins who get their threads closed down in infancy because a massive ammount of ADHD made a thread very vaguely relating on the subject become uptight and spiteful.

its a good place to learn how NOT to be on message boards.

forest child

2006-11-02, 16:14

shes not usually like this.....-_-

oh......that place sounds very......erm.....educantional.......thanks.....

Climhazard

2006-11-02, 18:32

pinkflower80

2006-11-03, 16:13

*breaths* ......ok....and i'm sorry everybody. i will try to calm down as best as i can. Canyou...can you guys ever forgive for being such a pain in the.....butt.

nduns

2006-11-03, 22:17

*breaths* ......ok....and i'm sorry everybody. i will try to calm down as best as i can. Canyou...can you guys ever forgive for being such a pain in the.....butt.

I will. There are lots of people on many forums like this. As long as you can admit that you're wrong and are willing to improve, you are a good forumer. I hate people who never admit when they're wrong. (I used to be like that on the animelyrics forum)

Zhuge_Liang Kongming

2006-11-04, 15:55

some people dont watch one piece is because they think the storyline is stupid......I personally enjoy one piece cuz its funny. the people who dont like it is because of the way its drawn.

BrokenWingz

2006-11-04, 17:12

Even though it's been said in the thread i'll just re-tell it from my perspective.

Recently i went to ask most of my friends why they don't 'watch' OP.
They replied:
1-They main character is rubber.
2-The drawing look weird.
3-storyline wasn't interesting so they dropped it( eps 1-80 around)

Chuixupu

2006-11-04, 17:30

Different strokes for different folks.
I'm having a hard time getting myself to keep watching Naruto, but I like it. Just not anywhere near as much as One Piece. The nutty ways they try to explain complete nonsense in Naruto is kind of frustrating...it's like "we're ninjas, we understand what's going on, as long as we say we do, the audience doesn't need to!" There's really wierd stuff in One Piece too, but at least Oda explains it in a way I can understand most of the time.

FireDetei

2006-11-04, 17:33

I watched One Piece on Sky TV (UK) once, and within about 5 minutes i was already questioning the idea of suicide, but instead resorted to just turning it off. I think it's the one dubb'd show that I can say is worse than Naruto, and believe me i hate the english version.

The english voices of OP just really really annoyed me, there was very little action and most of the violence (and most fun part) was cut-out, it was in a nutshell, not worth of time. Then a m8 advised to me watch the JP version, ofc my thoughts imidiatly went back to the voices and I flat out refused, he explained about how it was just the americans who, as usual, ruin everything good about anime and remove all violence from there serreme existances, to make shows look like Care Bears.

I had my doubts, i must admit, but having a few hours off one afternoon i decided to give it a shot, with the mouse hovering over the x button, but I was suprised. It was like a completly different show, and much better and worthy of a look.

In a Nutshell, i guess what im trying to say is, the reason it isnt as popular as Naruto and Bleach is because.....America Sucks. Naruto and Bleach have untill recently been sub'd only, whereas One Piece has been dubbed alot longer and placed on Cartoon Channels on Digital TV, ruining its image completly, and as I know from personal experience, it took me a good few hours to try and give it ago after seeing the shit on TV.

Although Naruto is deffo starting to decline because of the length and poor scripwork of the anime. The Manga is also just too dragged out. Each chapter has about 2 mins worth of text, the rest is just expressions of the characters faces or of Sakura Crying.

Chuixupu

2006-11-04, 19:39

In a Nutshell, i guess what im trying to say is, the reason it isnt as popular as Naruto and Bleach is because.....America Sucks. Naruto and Bleach have untill recently been sub'd only, whereas One Piece has been dubbed alot longer and placed on Cartoon Channels on Digital TV, ruining its image completly, and as I know from personal experience, it took me a good few hours to try and give it ago after seeing the shit on TV.

You're incredibly ignorant. You're talking as if anime wasn't been released uncut with subtitles in America for the past decade.
The vast majority of Anime that America licensed gets an uncut DVD release with the original Japanese with subtitles. Naruto and Bleach included (But not One Piece because 4kids got it) . A lot of anime runs unedited on Adult Swim or the Anime Network.

It's 4kids Entertainment that ruins anime, because their mission, unlike a lot of other dubbing companies, is to dumb down their licensed material for small children and take out all Japanese references. This isn't true of Funimation, Geneon, ADV, and the like. Not everyone may like the choices of voices for the characters, but at least if you don't, you have the choice to watch the Japanese version on the DVD instead. But I like a lot of dub voices. Cowboy Bebop I even like better dubbed.

But anyway...fact is, even before One Piece and Naruto were licensed, Naruto had a bigger American following. This is because it had a better start with websites, fansubs, and translations.

Mr. DJ

2006-11-05, 01:01

Also, i think in about 50 episodes, One Piece will have reached the total length of the entire Dragonball series (DB,Z, and GT)

negative :D DB/Z/GT ran for a whopping 505 episodes and OP is about half that, if not a bit over at this point in time.

Also...why is OP less popular here? I find the bulk of it to be the bastardization of the series by a enemy so terrible it can only be referred to as 4kids. Even before the bastardization, people at my college that liked anime, the bulk of them didn't like OP because of it's animation, they didn't give the series a chance.

I've watched...somewhere up around when Luffy fought Enel. I love the series, but I'm too lazy to download it ;P

S_C_L-1

2006-11-05, 01:06

good english VAs (Voice Actors) are kind of hard to find tho. if you go on IMDB, you'll realise that most sub voices are done by the same handfull of ppl. theres always the question of availability.

there are a few things i dislike about the current dubbing (excluding 4kids, where i hate everything about it)... mostly the loss of techniques and any technical term used in the show...

"kage bushin no jutsu" ----> "shadow clone technique"
"kaze no kizu" ----> "wind scar"....

it just loses its coolness factor...

good article on this: articles.theotaku.com/view.php?action=retrieve&id=62

EDIT: dragonball is only the first part. DBZ and DBGT are considered different shows.

Mr. DJ

2006-11-05, 01:41

I didn't have a problem w/ "Wind Scar" though "Shadow Clone Technique" sounds a bit corny...

edited previous post for a bit more accuracy ;P

I think most of the good VA's disappeared around the mid 90's

...am I a blasphemer for thinking most American cartoons have better VAs than some Japanese dubs?

S_C_L-1

2006-11-05, 02:37

no, you're entirely right.

most of the best english VAs dont do anime.

Jordus

2006-11-05, 02:46

There is only one reason why one piece isnt as "popular". Only true connoisseurs like ourselves can be one piece fans.

Chuixupu

2006-11-07, 17:00

We should all go to Japan then to be with our kind, since there's apparently so many "connoisseures" there that they make OP the most popular manga there. XD Oh wait, that would just make us part of the masses then.

-Breakthrough-

2006-11-09, 16:44

Probably that Naruto and Bleach had gbetter scanlation qualities as well as groups than One Piece when they both started running while One Piece, may have taken a while in quality or groups when it began.

Asked my friends why and of course, for non-anime fans who are dub watchers..

1) Made out of rubber.
2) Pirates are pwned by ninjas blah blah..

Now for true anime otaku most Bleach and Naruto fans I asked..

1)"Story is too long" -- (From a Suzumiya Haruhi forum and a common answer from other otaku)
Well, I bet they'd say the same if Bleach and Naruto reached the point where One Piece is and that answer is 434 manga chapters and over 280 anime eps XD
2)Pirates are nothing compared to Ninjas or Shinigamis.
3)And of course for some..They only seen the dub XD

Well, its not like anyone in Japan is like that right? So nothing much to worry, as long as its fame and popularity lives on in Japan, it wont affect online fan bases or One Piece. XD

Bleach and Naruto fans shall soon realize, maybe XD!

EMPC

2006-11-09, 23:41

Actuallly According To A Interview Made In Japan People Prefers One Piece Thn Naruto Or Blach , But In America Is Differwent

regasatanum

2006-11-10, 03:31

less popular somewhere... but is it just me or there are always more ppl who are anti-naruto than anti-op.

Bleach is worse, i find watching/reading bleach itself a torture.

matsuno

2006-11-10, 11:35

Naruto is eazy to love. Its Ninjas, everyone loves ninjas. So you either love the concept of the show or hate it immediately.

Bleach is a little tougher to love, but its pure up shonen, some random event throws main character into a world he didnt know before, and he adapts to it at a rate, as only a shonen series can do.

One Piece on the other hand is something out of left field, and theres no relation point for the viewers. Hell it took 430 chapters (almost 10 years) to get back ground information on the main character even.

The crutch of shows with an unusual basis is to make something relatable for the audience, else theres no strong inclinations or detractions into looking into it in the first place. Without it, One Piece has had a huge hurdle to overcome in bringing in an audience. Add to this that the Pirates of the Carribean spectacular happened, this was both a grace and a curse for international marketting. It relaunched an interest in Pirates and the such, and with OP being the premier anime about pirates its an eazy association, however, being so starkly incomparable to the historically accurate form of Pirates of the carribean, the emergence of a rubberman can be an immediate turn off to viewers hoping for that something else than what OP is.

pinkflower80

2006-11-10, 15:37

I will. There are lots of people on many forums like this. As long as you can admit that you're wrong and are willing to improve, you are a good forumer. I hate people who never admit when they're wrong. (I used to be like that on the animelyrics forum)

thanks....that makes me feel better.

d'luffy

2006-11-12, 22:41

the hell i care bout other animae..
you know dat one piece ranked the first place in all animae not until naruto came...
but for me no one can beat onepiece..
wahahaha!

hagane no kaizoku

2006-11-13, 16:44

Is it so weird that I like all three series?

I don't really know why One Piece is less popular here in the states, although I'm sure the painfully bad dub has a lot to do with it. It may also be that it's just too weird for some people. I know that's part of why my boyfriend doesn't really like it - not just because of the weirdness (he likes things like Excel Saga and FLCL) but because it often becomes very serious in situations that he sees as innately silly, like fighting a bad guy who eats himself.

S_C_L-1

2006-11-13, 17:18

hagane no kaizoku

2006-11-14, 11:38

doesnt that make it funnier tho? its like saying "i saw this guy with a ketchup bottle up his *** at the hospital today" with a straight face.

Well, I think so. I guess it's just not for everyone though. *sigh*

shimplicity

2006-12-03, 10:22

Heh. Maybe One Piece are for people with a weird sense of humour, including me of course. =P

You either laugh out loud till your stomach hurts or you went into a coma shock at the absurdness of One Piece.

iKumdo

2006-12-03, 13:07

One Piece is more popular in Japan, Korea, China and France isn't it? I think those four countries (or just China) easily outnumber the US.

One Piece didn't gain the popularity here because fansubs were barely avaliable. A certain fansub group did it too well, and everyone backed out. That fansub group, however, was probably too slow for most anime fans. Naruto got all the hype and One Piece didn't. That's what I think, sorry if it was already suggested.

LostOnTheU-rturn

2006-12-03, 15:33

Hasn't One Piece sold more copies than Naruto?

ngqian

2006-12-06, 08:46

Hi!!! newbie here!!!! thought i share my thoughts on this subject.

i havent seen bleach so i wont comment on that but having watch Naruto and one piece i would have to say that one piece is probably slightly better. But i didnt think this to start off with. i watch all of the naruto ep b4 i started on watching one peice. i thought naruto was brill from the get go!!! drew me in straight away and i cudnt stop watching it.

With One Piece this wasnt the case, i found it boring to start with in comparison and i think i only really started to like it when it got to the Arlong Park arc. but this is the beauty of OP. it gets better and better after each Arc.

i think thats why alot of people wud say that naruto is better. The first series of naruto to me is still the best out of all the naruto story.

oh and maybe another reason is the unique drawing style of OP. i have to say that it did initially put me off. but then again i love watching the original Gundam movie still.

thats my piece lol

puzzlestheonepieces

2006-12-19, 18:40

dont forget without dragonball almost nothing would be quite the same
-Sonic the Hedgehog (SUPER SONIC)
- All those spoofs on DBZ
-examples like fairly odd parents and billy and mandy
- Dragon Quest (drawn by same dude) along with the DBZ games and all the other games he has done
- One Piece
- Naruto
- Bleach is the fasion Bankai is sort of everyones powerup
- think about it the only shows that envolved powerups before dbz was transformers. and those shows with robots and stuff, and that was parts not literaly upgrading themselves to a diffrent plateu of power
DBZ has started it all in away more than you think
if we could live in a time where dbz had never existed lets flip to cartoon network or to shonen jump and well look and see yu-gi-oh with a diffrent hairdo (that hair came from dbz influence) and pokemon and gay crap like that EVEN POKEMON HAS POWERUPS evoluations (i know im a bad speller so dont hate) SEE EVEN THE GAYEST SHOWS HAVE INFLUENCE
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MAybe im overthinking maybe im not

OH and before i stop rambling and arguing with myself i have to say that FIGHTING GAMES think how dbz has impacted them. it all started out as a arcade game then STREET FIGHTER which went to MORTAL KOMBAT went to VURTUA FIGHTER to TEKKEN... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH

Crusader

2006-12-19, 21:24

OP takes a while to get into, i mean it doesn't really look all that anime.. In fact not too long ago a couple of my freinds thought it was made from a french company.

Then i was browsing an old forum i use to go to, and someone said that it was another american attempt at anime. I was wtf!

Lastly it took me a while to get into it. THe Don Krieg era got me, becuase it was tough for me too get behind buggy, and the arcs before weren't all to intersting to me. I was originally going to give up on it after like the first 10 eps.

anselfir

2006-12-19, 21:43

It doesn't focus on the mystical elements too much, just some regular guys basically doing out of ordinary stuff in an ordinary manner.

RandomGuy

2006-12-22, 08:24

Hasn't One Piece sold more copies than Naruto?
In Japan, it most certainly has. Its popularity in the US is not as great, however.

-KarumA-

2006-12-22, 08:36

In Japan, it most certainly has. Its popularity in the US is not as great, however.

and that would explain why it isnt as populair as Naruto and Bleach, mostly because in those series they didnt replace Ichigo's bankai with a rubber baseball bat.. :heh: i still cant imagine that they had replaced the guns with waters guns.. ROFL

Trax

2006-12-22, 10:23

Going over some points while trying to compare with Bleach/Naruto.

Drawing style

One Piece is not drawn in the regular anime style, which seems to turn off quite a bit of people. In my case though, a different style can make a series more appealing to me, because after seeing the same generic style over and over again it can get a bit boring and it's refreshing to see some variant style. I've checked out several animes simply because of a different style (e.g. NANA).

Coolness factor vs fun factor

One Piece doesn't have the coolness factor that Bleach/Naruto have with their swordfighting/shinigami & ninjas/jutsu. To make up for it though, OP has more of a fun and adventure factor. There's alot of goofy characters in One Piece, both in behaviour and appearance, which make for the fun and comedy where the pirate life makes for the adventure part with mysteries, treasures and battles (naval and otherwise). Luffy isn't the main character for nothing, he's the embodiment of goofiness and adventureousness. And personally I prefer the humor of OP, making it generally more fun to watch than Bleach and Naruto. Another thing I like about OP is that the characters tend to mix it up alot more in terms of their special abilities, thinking of new moves and variations all the time, unlike the Naruto/Bleach characters. Still, alot tend to be drawn more to the coolness factor of the other series.

Hype

Bleach and Naruto seem to have been hyped alot more which just built more and more interest in the series, which is probably due to the coolness factor I mentioned. So people are simply less likely to take a look at OP, unfortunately. Add to that the fact that the OP adaption doesn't do the original justice and it's understandable that OP doesn't score as well outside of Japan.

Size

While I can understand it can be a bit daunting to get started on OP when there are already over 200 episodes out, it's simply not a good argument especially when you consider that Naruto is also over 200 episodes for some time already and Bleach passed the 100 mark a while ago with more to come. Anyway, who cares how many episodes there are, it just means there's more entertainment to go through if it turns out to be to your liking. Unfortunately, I also got this as an argument when I tried to recommend it to someone, eventhough it's nonsense.

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 17:48

hey people i sighned on just to talk in this part of this site!!! i think one piece is way better than naruto but no doubt naruto is awsome. i think naruto is way too seriouse one piece has adventure in it which i really like!!! i want to make a poll on this site to see whats better naruto or one piece!!!!!:) :)

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 17:53

yo yoy oy one piece is in da house!!!!

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 17:54

i really like eiichiro odas style its really good i dont know about you guys but at my school one piece is the most popular. do any of you guys actually like one piece???
ii think one piece has all the action that could blow bleach and naruto away!!!
i also like how one piece is an original idea unlike one piece shinigamis and ninjas have already been done. but pirates havent even been thought up ever for an anime and manga.in my oppinion ninjas are way cooler than pirATES BUT THE WAY ONE PIECE HAS SO MUCH ACTION AND ADVENTURE BLOWS AWAY THE WHOLE IDEA OF NINJAS!!!!!:) :) :) :) :) :)

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 17:58

i really like bleach naruto and one piece but dbz blows them all away!!! it has way more action than all of them combined and the fighting is amazing the characters in dbz are so cool some are goofy and funny too!!! just one of the characters in dbz could beat up all the characters in naruto op and bleach!!!!!:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 18:00

i think the drawing style in one piece is just fine i just dont think people watch it enough to like it and most people dont even know about it because shonen jump doesnt even make any big advertisement for one piece!!!!it makes me mad!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Climhazard

2007-01-01, 19:35

Wow :D

You like to talk don't you :)

goozeygumgum

2007-01-01, 20:14

well duh!!! one piece is fun to talk about!!!:) :) :D :D

Climhazard

2007-01-01, 20:53

Do you watch the One Piece that is on Cartoon Network with the english voices?

Xinil

2007-01-01, 22:57

A lot of my friends have expressed that they don't want to watch One Piece because it seems extraordinarily "kiddy". As much as I try to tell them it isn't, they can't get past the 4Kids US version. I only watch it subbed, so I haven't been subjugated to the terrible and edited US release.

Trax brought up a lot of good points too. Basically everything he said I agree with. :)

Chuixupu

2007-01-01, 22:58

I sure hope not...4kids stupped dubbing it anyway.

PS - please don't keep posting one post after another, if you want to say something else, just edit your posts.

Zu Ra

2007-01-02, 17:36

IMO Bleach is not popular than One peice , Naruto definately but not Bleach . Naruto and Bleach are pure shonen genre while One Peice is not that shonen compared to these two .

Also the dubbing and changes made to One Peice are pathetic . Sanji with a lolipop @_@

Climhazard

2007-01-02, 19:30

Also the dubbing and changes made to One Peice are pathetic . Sanji with a lolipop @_@

I really don't understand that tbh, 4kids gave Sanji a lolipop instead of a cigarette but if you go and watch Disney's Alice In Wonderland theres a sadistic clam grooming walrus that smokes cigars(it makes sense if youve seen the film).....wheres the sense in that?

goozeygumgum

2007-01-02, 19:41

the tv show on 4 kids aint so bad but i watch one piece on you tube but i usually read them on one piece v.2 or one piece v.3. i have to admit sanji with a lolipop? where do they get that!!!:frustrated: :frustrated:

goozeygumgum

2007-01-02, 19:42

why do the people that dont like one piece always say its not pure manga or anime? one piece is as pure as it can get!!!:p :p :p

S_C_L-1

2007-01-02, 20:04

...

c'mon man... use the damn edit button...

this is a forum, not a chat room

willynilly

2007-01-03, 16:31

I really don't understand that tbh, 4kids gave Sanji a lolipop instead of a cigarette but if you go and watch Disney's Alice In Wonderland theres a sadistic clam grooming walrus that smokes cigars(it makes sense if youve seen the film).....wheres the sense in that?

yea its makes no since cause if you look at the Naruto dub, you can see that they kept Asuma's cigarette, instead of replacing it with a tooth pick, lolipop or some other crappy replacement.

Chuixupu

2007-01-03, 17:04

It's because 4kids just has a certain way of doing things...they cater to the 4-7 children's audience, and edit for network broadcasting TV (subject ot the FCC), which prohibits a lot of things, including smoking in kids' shows. Viz decided to target Naruto to the 9-14 year old audience, and Cartoon Network does not have to kowtow to the FCC.
One Piece should have got the same treatment - I think that it was a big mistake to no do so, as the situation has proved thus.

onepiecelover

2007-01-03, 17:10

Whatever anyone sayz I will never forgive 4kids for changing Sanji's ciggerates to a lolipop :( I bet you if only it had a better dubbing one piece would be a lot more famous, those stupid 4kids screwed it up.

goozeygumgum

2007-01-05, 18:03

who cares about a stupid lollipop i think its actually cooler because its actually different from the manga. if the anime was just like the manga who would watch it??? and smokings stupid anyways!!!!!!!

Wolcik

2007-01-05, 19:02

I didn't see the 4kid version, did they changed Smoker's cigaretes too?
cause it would be hella funny if he'd use smoke from Sanji's cigarete once and they woudl have to fiqure a way to make lollipop smoke XD

Zu Ra

2007-01-05, 19:11

Leaving the cool part the smoking thing has a lot more significance . If Sanji was given a lolipop in the orignal version .. there would be no Gojyo as we know today .

Gojyo ( saiyuki ) and Sanji share the same seiyu Hiroaki Hirata . Well that seiyu due to his Sanji role has been typecast to play parts where chracters are chain smokers . You could imagine what big of an impact that Sanji role had . Taking away a chracter trait like that is wrong and crossing the fine line

Hiroaki Hirata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroaki_Hirata)

goozeygumgum

2007-01-05, 21:39

im sorry i just cant picture it......:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

onepiecelover

2007-01-06, 20:31

This might help

http://opguide.bravehost.com/images/sd_sanji1.jpg

goozeygumgum

2007-01-06, 20:40

sorry man my computer says that immages on page not allowed....:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

onepiecelover

2007-01-06, 20:45

I dont know why that is but just goodle image Sanji 4kids then.

Zu Ra

2007-01-06, 21:23

http://opguide.bravehost.com/images/sd_sanji1.jpg

Could you directly link this image if its possible . I mean upload it yourself if you dont mind . Image is blocked :(

LoOnatick

2007-01-06, 21:30

I'm readin' the manga right now. Though I never actually watch the anime but I did saw a few dubs on 4kids. God...they can't dub for shit. I remember this one episode where the Strawhats were locked up in this cell, and this one dude (who in the original anime was smokin' a cigar) stood there talkin' and there were smoke comin' out of his face. At first I'm like "Hmmm what's that?" Then I had a chance to look at the original version and find out it was a cigar that got edit out.

Strike101

2007-01-07, 10:24

Trax

2007-01-07, 10:46

Hm, episode 30 is at the end of the Don Krieg arc, which was decent I think. You should at least check out the next arc (Arlong arc), which lasts until episode 44. If you still don't like OP then, then you might aswell give up since the Arlong arc is one of the best imo. It mainly revolves around Nami, since it takes place on her home island.

capture

2007-01-09, 17:53

agree I loved Arlong Arc ........... where Luffy crush the gate of Arlong Park... oh yeah it's so cool.....

Chuixupu

2007-01-10, 00:36

I've known some people who say they didn't get into One Piece until Alabasta, but I don't know how they made it that far if that was really the case. XD

Lein

2007-01-10, 00:41

Guys i'm new to one piece , I'm around Episode 30 on the Subbed Anime , but still couldn't get the hang of it , Lufie seems to annoy me a lot , how long does it take for the anime to get more interesting ? like Bleach when it reached around Ep. 15-16

generally, people tend to recommend sticking till at least the arlong arc. though, i got hooked once zoro once introduced :heh:

onepiecelover

2007-01-11, 02:06

Could you directly link this image if its possible . I mean upload it yourself if you dont mind . Image is blocked :(

Ok found a beter link now, just go to this page and see how 4kids molested one piece :mad:

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=295863&postcount=4238

Ok found a cooler link to one piece :D

http://opguide.bravehost.com/general_edits.shtml

goozeygumgum

2007-01-12, 17:23

Yeh right one piece gets better as you go on and on. it especially gets good at the part with baroqe works!!!:D :D thats probably my favorite part in one piece!!!!

Zu Ra

2007-01-12, 17:56

My fave was the Chopper Arc . My excitement did get a lil dim by the unnessecary Emoness of chopper at times .

Skat42345

2007-01-12, 18:10

Hmmmm i would like to say that I like Bleach more than one piece because Bleach has more action and better fight scenes and yes Bleach is too funny but so is one piece so yea....

nduns

2007-01-13, 09:28

Hmmmm i would like to say that I like Bleach more than one piece because Bleach has more action and better fight scenes and yes Bleach is too funny but so is one piece so yea....

Yeah... One Piece battles have been classified as the best of all time. Bleach battles are pretty short in comparison and it's the same giant sword every time. In Bleach, you don't see a different attack in EVERY arc, do you? Wait, are there arcs in Bleach? I don't think I've seen any. Maybe a 2-3 part episode would count, but not likely. As for humor, OP is more fresh. It's always original and only one or two jokes are ever used countless times. Bleach, on the other hand, is much like Naruto and Inuyasha in the sense that it has a lot of running gags that come up just about all the time.

The reason for this is said to be due to the fact that Oda had more fun making OP than any other anime creator could ever have making a series. He didn't make it just for money like others, so even fillers are worth watching.

goozeygumgum

2007-01-15, 19:30

i think one piece is the best manga/anime ever!!! it has a whole bunch of fighting and the adventure makes it so cool!!!!bleach is cool too but its always the same thing a hollow the hollows never change its really annoying!!! i think they just advertise for naruto too much thats why it seems more popular than one piece!! i bet if they advertised for one piece it would be the same popular as naruto.

Sazelyt

2007-01-16, 03:42

i bet if they advertised for one piece it would be the same popular as naruto.I don't think the advertisement will change anything. One Piece is too slow-paced for the kids, the major Naruto fans, to follow.

Mgz

2007-01-18, 01:15

animeforum.com? is that another forum?

we have other forum on da internet beside animesuki :twitch:

^ emo = myspace

not animesuki

and yes, animeforum.com is another forum. unfortunately, 90% of its population is hyperactive 13 year olds who dont know any forum ettiquet and make millions of pointless, never ending, opinionated threads.

the other 10% is the respectable ppl and admins. unfortunately, the previous group pisses off every 1 in this 10%, so the admins become abusive E-monsters and the non-admins who get their threads closed down in infancy because a massive ammount of ADHD made a thread very vaguely relating on the subject become uptight and spiteful.

its a good place to learn how NOT to be on message boards.
:uhoh:

well I gather my courage and step into their Naruto forum just for my curious' sake

What Would Your Own Person On Naruto Be Like?
What Hidden Village from Naruto do you want to be from?
What could you mix Naruto with?

:twitch:

okay
...

and me, I don't watch naruto/bleach/one piece at all, seen a few eps @ my anime club but that's it.. my last attempt of 100+ eps anime was Inuyasha and that was very tiredsome and too long for me to follow up. So I prefer to stick with the usual 12/24/52 eps anime format.

neodrag38

2007-01-19, 16:29

Yeah... One Piece battles have been classified as the best of all time. Bleach battles are pretty short in comparison and it's the same giant sword every time. In Bleach, you don't see a different attack in EVERY arc, do you? Wait, are there arcs in Bleach? I don't think I've seen any. Maybe a 2-3 part episode would count, but not likely. As for humor, OP is more fresh. It's always original and only one or two jokes are ever used countless times. Bleach, on the other hand, is much like Naruto and Inuyasha in the sense that it has a lot of running gags that come up just about all the time.

The reason for this is said to be due to the fact that Oda had more fun making OP than any other anime creator could ever have making a series. He didn't make it just for money like others, so even fillers are worth watching.
Not to mention that Bleach fights seem to end up being a matter of who has the higher reiatsu aka power level. The fights pretty much seem to dive right into the winner being a matter of power ups that either gets pulled out as the only way possible to even hurt the enemy whatsoever or general stuff that a crap load of characters can do. And the very fact that time recently in the manga has been wasted with fights against opponents that don't really matter at all whatsoever annoys me at times. Seriously, if Bleach suddenly started to actually make sense it probably would just end with the Espada just getting off their butts and completely obliterating Ichigo and his other buds, who pretty much seem to be having a bit of deja vu where they go into enemy territory without any actual planning while there being the existence of more than 5 opponents that should crush them like they were ants. Not like I really demand cold hard logic in every shonen I read but I don't need to have myself faced with occurences that don't really make much sense and the overwhelming feeling that main idea is to have the cliche overpowered end boss guy while the main character is made to always look right while the enemy is either just simply pure evil or stupid. The only fight I've found myself to enjoy in Bleach in quite a while was the one involving Madarame Ikkaku where you actually get to see him using his brain rather than just poping out shinkai or bankai right at the start, the instant popping out bringing up repetitive horror flashbacks of Saint Seiya.:D The fights in Bleach pretty much kind of give off the deja vu feeling of sword swing after sword thing, chero blast after chero blast, ultra powerful arrow blast after arrow, etc. that really just ends up being boring

While the fights for One Piece always have that pleasing look where you feel you can into it and connects to you emotionally rather than just trying to be cool looking. Especially when it comes to Sanji, Zorro, and Luffy. Where seeing them fight is always entertaining while comedy can be fitted into their fights at the right moments, rather than this forced stuff in Bleach where you have routine that last for more half a minute when the opponent is suppose to be focused on getting rid of them as fast as possible. That, and the variety when it comes to how exactly they fight in comparison to each other, while with Bleach it doesn't seem to matter anymore whether or not the fighting form has the usage of a sword or an arrow. OVerall, I guess Bleach pretty much has decayed to that point where its clear it gets by heavily depending on a single national type setting while One Piece has that more around the world feeling that has a variety of fights and personalities without thinking about the Tokugawa Shogunate era.