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I really have to disagree with you on your take on the Disappearance novel. Kyon isn't desperate to get back to Haruhi... there's a Haruhi in the world created by Nagato, after all. Kyon is simply desperate to get back to the more wondrous and supernatural world that he had before, and to get back to his friends as he knows them. It really is not all about Haruhi, as you're making it out to be, imo.
Oh, and while Haruhi staying at Kyon's bedside for three days is certainly quite nice... she follows that up by levying a terribly outrageous financial penalty on him that almost ruined the entire moment for me.
I have to disagree with you here
He did become desperate to find Haruhi. Itis why he freaked out in the first place. Then he trys to get his world back.
I also disagree the financial penalty ruins the entire moment. It is clearly how Haruhi hides her embarrassment. Not a good way to do it, sure (poor Kyon). But the scene is still a exemple of how Haruhi cares for Kyon, dsepite this weird unfair penalty.
I agree with your first point, tough
I don't think is really subtle. Not for Haruhi, anyway. She had many momments that shows how she cares/likes Kyon. Hist feelings are more debatable, tough.
All told, this really isn't much for a canon romance. It really needs a lot more bells and whistles, imo, if this is going to be the romance that the Haruhi novels go with. Personally, I'm still not sold on it. It's way too subtle almost across the entire board, in my view.[/QUOTE]
Triple_R
2009-09-12, 21:19
I have to disagree with you here
He did become desperate to find Haruhi. Itis why he freaked out in the first place. Then he trys to get his world back.
He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.
I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0 ;)
I also disagree the financial penalty ruins the entire moment. It is clearly how Haruhi hides her embarrassment. Not a good way to do it, sure (poor Kyon). But the scene is still a exemple of how Haruhi cares for Kyon, dsepite this weird unfair penalty.
A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.
You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!
At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*
That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.
I don't think is really subtle. Not for Haruhi, anyway. She had many momments that shows how she cares/likes Kyon. Hist feelings are more debatable, tough.
I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?
I'm open to being corrected on that, though.
He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.
I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0 ;)
I don't disagree with you here. Just pointing that Tornadium is not totally wrong.
A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.
You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!
At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*
That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.
Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the [s]wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).
I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?
I'm open to being corrected on that, though.
You are weird. :p
Joke (It might be me who is weird right?). Anyway, Kyon was who initiated the kiss, but was Haruhi who wanted to be kissed. And she did tryed to please Kyon latter wearing the ponytail. And I really belive Haruhi is more interested by Kyons personality then by his appearance. It is impossible know if she finds him atractive, anyway, unless she explicitly say him so. She did however, asked Miuru to take a photo of him sleeping in the Lone Island.
I am also open to be corrected, naturally. Sorry if I am a bit insistent.
Triple_R
2009-09-12, 21:52
You are weird. :p
Joke (It might be me who is weird right?).
No, I accept that I'm 'weird' here, in that I reject the conventional wisdom surrounding some of the character relationships in this franchise. Like I said, I'm just not sold on a lot of it.
worldruined
2009-09-12, 23:00
He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi as well.
Just wanted to fix that for you.
Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).
It doesn't even kill the moment for Kyon. He not only completely expects her reaction, but he seems to find it endearing that she's clearly faking how mad she is. Her "financial penalty" is just like many of the other things she does or says in regards to Kyon -- an attempt to cover up her embarrassment with anger or forcefulness. This isn't anything new, and Kyon accepts the terms pretty willingly. (Sure, he gripes about them, but the entire time he's griping, he's also describing how brilliant her smile is and how even her cussing is like "heavenly singing".) I'm looking forward to seeing this scene animated someday, because I think the visuals + voice acting will make the overall emotions a little clearer.
...If I may ask a question? Haruhi's actions often seem ridiculously transparent to me -- is it just because I'm a girl and can see her point of view maybe a little easier? The "financial penalty" scene in Disappearance, the chocolates scene in Intrigues... they just scream "Haruhi likes Kyon but can't tell him because she's embarrassed out of her mind to do so, thus resulting in the 'I tease you because I like you' game". Is it really not that obvious? :confused:
CrowKenobi
2009-09-13, 00:04
...If I may ask a question? Haruhi's actions often seem ridiculously transparent to me -- is it just because I'm a girl and can see her point of view maybe a little easier? The "financial penalty" scene in Disappearance, the chocolates scene in Intrigues... they just scream "Haruhi likes Kyon but can't tell him because she's embarrassed out of her mind to do so, thus resulting in the 'I tease you because I like you' game". Is it really not that obvious? :confused:It COULD be, but we don't know for sure because of Kyon being an unreliable narrator (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnreliableNarrator). :D
But, you also have to factor in that because Haruhi is the Brigade Leader, (imho) she can't show any real favoritism to her subordinates... thus the elaborate games and other stuff.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-09-13, 01:07
Plus the fact that she'd be completely going back on what she said to Kyon all the way back in Melancholy.
Tornadium
2009-09-13, 05:27
No offense, Tornadium, but you're making some of these out to be way more than what they are, imo... not to mention leaving some important context out. For example...
Again it's my interpretation. That's what i (and quite a lot of the fanbase over the years) think in terms of their relationship. Take it as you will, I just think those are some of a LONG list of things.
That is sort of the entire point of an ongoing series. There is absolutely NOTHING Concrete for any character relationships. The points i made were discussed on other boards and everyone basically agreed. (When you know the /a/ board of 4chan actually agrees on somthing well that's quite suprising.)
Haruhi gave Koizumi chocolates too. And the chocolates also weren't just handed over... they were gained through elaborate games.
Yes true Haruhi did give Koizumi the Chocolates, If you look at how that scene is written though it is clear Haruhi was focusing on Kyon during it to see his reaction. The elaborate games, Well that in my opinion is just Haruhi's nature. She couldn't be seen to just give him the chocolates. She had to hide her true motives by making it into a game.
I really have to disagree with you on your take on the Disappearance novel. Kyon isn't desperate to get back to Haruhi... there's a Haruhi in the world created by Nagato, after all. Kyon is simply desperate to get back to the more wondrous and supernatural world that he had before, and to get back to his friends as he knows them. It really is not all about Haruhi, as you're making it out to be, imo.
Oh, and while Haruhi staying at Kyon's bedside for three days is certainly quite nice... she follows that up by levying a terribly outrageous financial penalty on him that almost ruined the entire moment for me.
A few things here.
The Haruhi created in the world made by Nagato is not HIS Haruhi. They havn't shared what they already shared together. There are a few telltale signs written into the novel which suggest his true motives are getting back to Haruhi. There is the point of him getting back to his friends and his world but for the most part to me it seems like Haruhi is the main driving force. Hell the Author even stated in a 2005 interview that it was a story of Kyon fighting to get back to her.
I don't know if that was a misinterpretation of what he said or he just misworded it but that's what it said.
Maybe it was my bad wording but i didn't mean to make it sound like 100% Haruhi. I'm just saying the MAIN reason was her.
Oh and It's Haruhi dude, Staying at his bedside for 3 days counts for somthing. Her little "Penalty" was cute i think, she was so happy to see him awake she flips out.
All told, this really isn't much for a canon romance. It really needs a lot more bells and whistles, imo, if this is going to be the romance that the Haruhi novels go with. Personally, I'm still not sold on it. It's way too subtle almost across the entire board, in my view.
Right now i'll agree with you, There is absolutely not enough canon romance for any relationship in Haruhi at this point.
Book 9 sort of started us down that track with Kyon admiting he likes Haruhi
There simply needs to be more.
He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki and Mikuru as well.
I will grant you, though, that he cares a bit more about Haruhi than he does about Yuki and Mikuru. That does come through, yes. But it's more of a 40/30/30 split for me than 100/0/0 ;)
He was desperate to find all of them. As i said above it was my bad wording. The main focus is Haruhi but it isn't 100% of course. He cares for Mikuru and Yuki but no where near in the realms of how much he cares for Haruhi. I'd say 50/25/25.
A person you care for has been put into a coma for days. You actually hold that against him, and punish him severely for it. Where the hell is the caring there? It almost completely cancels out with how Haruhi stayed with him for three days, imo.
You just don't do that, Heatth, to somebody that you care about and who was stuck in a coma for days. Issuing this outrageous financial penalty for getting injured - it's awful!
At the very least, it feels to me that Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea" from what she did for him; that she would do the same for any other SOS Brigade member. Well... if she doesn't want Kyon to "get the wrong idea", maybe we shouldn't either. *Shrugs*
That financial penalty certainly isn't my idea of a caring would-be girlfriend.
Again it's Haruhi bro, She hides her true feelings, Kyon even expects it to happen hell he even laughs at it. It's extremely obvious that Haruhi cares for Kyon in ways no one else does. Haruhi stayed at his bedside for 3 days without leaving, Hell she probably would have stayed there for a week or more if he hadn't woken up.
Haruhi doesn't want Kyon to think she likes him because she doesn't know how he feels about her. It's exactly like SitR where he wakes up as she is putting her cardigan on him. If you notice by Book 9 Haruhi has changed dramatically and even Kyon has noticed it. This is sort of laying the brickwork if you will for future development.
Again it's Haruhi, It's her nature. She loves Kyon, She abuses him for attention. Haruhi really is like any other regular Teenage Girl in that respect. She has no idea about relationships yet she tries so hard for Kyon's attention. It's really funny at times.
I'd actually flip that. I'm more sold on Kyon romantically liking Haruhi than I am on Haruhi romantically liking Kyon... it's just that Kyon strikes me as somewhat indecisive between the three female SOS Brigade members. Remember, Kyon's the one who initiated the kiss (in the dream), and who remains aware of it having been real. Kyon's the one who has actually commented on the other person's physical attractiveness. I don't think that we even know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon's physical appearance, do we?
Well, I'm pretty sold on both. Haruhi OBVIOUSLY likes Kyon. There is absolutely no disputing that since it's basically the entire focus of about 25% of the content. Hell when the characters in the novel and anime start pointing it out to you.....
Kyon is indecisive, he is unreliable but he rarely conveys his true feelings. Kyon does initiate the kiss during the dream (after his monologue about how to him Haruhi is "more than just a classmate") then comments on how much he likes her hair in a ponytail. (Note Haruhi does not resist, She looks shocked yet happy. In the novel he states he doesn't know how Haruhi reacts but the Anime shows it as her willingly kissing back so i don't know.).
Uh Kyon comments on Haruhi's appearance quite often. In Book 1 obviously he says she is extremely attractive, During endless eight when she is sleeping he says when she isn't talking she looks as attractive as Mikuru maybe even more attractive.
There are more i just can't remember right now.
[spoier]Of course you just don't do that. That is why I said is not a good way. But I really don't think it cancel the last three days. She was pretty concerned with him and becomes flushed when noticed he was ok and saw sleeping/being concerned. Then she try to hide it in a compleate unreasonable non-girlfriendish way. She was really trying to have Kyon don't geting the wrongright idea. This might kill the moment for Kyon, but is still shows how concerned she was. Also, notice she only aplies this penaltys to Kyon, never to other people, even when they are late (like Mikuru in Sighs, or everybody else in Dissociation).
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It depends on your outlook, To me it was extremely cute. Kyon recognises it for what it is, her attempt to hide her feelings. Of course it doesn't cancel the three days, We get a huge insight in to just how much Haruhi cares for Kyon.
Haruhi is basically like any teenage girl who doesn't know how to get the guy she wants, She abuses him, picks on him for attention. Haruhi's relationship with Kyon is sort of a mixture of abuse for attention and a deep emotional relationship which she only shares with Kyon.
Joke (It might be me who is weird right?). Anyway, Kyon was who initiated the kiss, but was Haruhi who wanted to be kissed. And she did tryed to please Kyon latter wearing the ponytail. And I really belive Haruhi is more interested by Kyons personality then by his appearance. It is impossible know if she finds him atractive, anyway, unless she explicitly say him so. She did however, asked Miuru to take a photo of him sleeping in the Lone Island.
Pretty much, It's impossible to fully know what Haruhi thinks of Kyon but her feelings are hinted at the entire way through the novels/anime. I guess we won't know until the end.
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He was desperate to find Haruhi, Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi. He was relieved to find each. Once he realized that this wasn't his world, he wanted to get his world back. Like I wrote, he wanted to get his friends back as he knows them. It wasn't all about Haruhi, though. It really wasn't. Saying so does a real disservice to how Kyon shows real caring for Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi as well.
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He wanted to find all of them true, As i said above though Haruhi is the main driving force, She symbolises his universe and exactly what he wants in life. I think at least. That and he cares more deeply about Haurhi than anyone else.
Plus the fact that she'd be completely going back on what she said to Kyon all the way back in Melancholy.
I assume you mean the part where she says Romantic emotions are just a passing phase?
She also says even she gets in the mood for those kinds of things. The weird thing about that is after she says that she recreates the mother fucking universe out of Jealousy of Mikuru and Kyon.
She has romantic emotions, no hiding it.
Triple_R
2009-09-13, 06:15
Tornadium - That's a very good, well-reasoned reply. :)
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm going to say that at this time I'm a KyonYuki shipper. So... I'm not entirely unbiased here. Like many other KyonYuki shippers, though, I'll admit that my preference goes against the current for this anime franchise, particularly its fandom. I don't expect to "win" this any more than I expected my Ryoga/Akane preference in the Ranma 1/2 anime to emerge victorious.
All I'll say is that a lot of the Kyon/Haruhi relationship moments strike me as possibly being close platonic friendship moments. They tend to be viewed through a romantic lens, but... friendship alone can explain most of them, I think. Just my opinion.
Anyway... I'm going to let the shipping debate go for now, because this really isn't the thread for it, lol. :heh:
freakonboard
2009-09-13, 06:34
I agree that Haruhi obviously likes Kyon, but the tsundere element in her personality makes her act the way she is.
Man, Kyon is the first and only person whom Haruhi subconsciously choosed to stay with in the new world in Melancholy 6 after all.
Tornadium
2009-09-13, 07:18
Tornadium - That's a very good, well-reasoned reply. :)
Thanks
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm going to say that at this time I'm a KyonYuki shipper. So... I'm not entirely unbiased here. Like many other KyonYuki shippers, though, I'll admit that my preference goes against the current for this anime franchise, particularly its fandom. I don't expect to "win" this any more than I expected my Ryoga/Akane preference in the Ranma 1/2 anime to emerge victorious.
Heh, Well there really is no win or lose here. Both are great. I personally would like Haruhi x Kyon more than Anything (Because that's what strikes me as being prominent) but it's not like i'd be upset with somthing else. That's just my reasoning and interpretation.
All I'll say is that a lot of the Kyon/Haruhi relationship moments strike me as possibly being close platonic friendship moments. They tend to be viewed through a romantic lens, but... friendship alone can explain most of them, I think. Just my opinion.
Anyway... I'm going to let the shipping debate go for now, because this really isn't the thread for it, lol. :heh:
Heh True,
For the most part everything in Haruhi could be explained through friendship. I guess it's just down to the individual interpretation of the fanbase. I think the thing which puts Haruhi and Kyon into the romantic view point is the kiss from the very first book. Without that it would be much easier to dismiss it as just friendship, The kiss in my opinion signifies their relationship but again that's just me.
Murasaki
2009-09-13, 13:07
Does a VN based on Haruhi exist?
I recently bumped into a video on youtube that looked like an opening for a VN.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-09-13, 13:21
There are a few Haruhi VNs. (At least, that's what I'm assuming the various video games are.) However, you might have ended up seeing the fake OP for the last Haruhi-chan episode. :heh:
Murasaki
2009-09-13, 13:38
Yeah, right, that was the fake OP.:heh:
Tornadium
2009-09-13, 15:46
Does a VN based on Haruhi exist?
I recently bumped into a video on youtube that looked like an opening for a VN.
As far as i know there are no VNs for Haruhi yet.
There are some games that I think play like visual novels, but none that are actually visual novels.
As far as i know there are no VNs for Haruhi yet.
There are...
There's one for the PSP I think.
Tornadium
2009-09-14, 12:11
There are...
There's one for the PSP I think.
Really?
Must have missed that one.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-09-14, 20:17
As far as i know there are no VNs for Haruhi yet.
There are some games that I think play like visual novels, but none that are actually visual novels.
What are you two on? :heh:
There are quite a few Haruhi games, most of which I'd consider visual novels. Most of them have some -actual- gameplay, however, so I'd consider the PSP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL5sUaiPopA) and DS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNzdfpXCWAo&feature=related) games to be the most visual novels out of the visual novels.
kenshin-dono
2009-09-16, 14:58
ok im VERY confused about this series. I was going to check it out on DVD because i noticed it was out, but i went online to see if there were other seasons for fansub as well and then the confusion began... the american dvd release i think is only about 14 episodes. Then i see fansubs for something 'new' but im not clear on if its season 2 or something i see refered to as a re-airing with added episodes?
i really dont understand. Wiki doesn't really help.. how does this series break down? whats the american release and whats this 2009 release, and whats season 2? And what the hell is all this stuff about it not even being aired in the right order?? this thing seems like a giant mess
if i goto mazui they list it very oddly
http://mazuisubs.com/?torrents
from episode 8-24.. why the heck is it only numbered from 8-24? did they skip the first 7? they dont have forums i can ask about
but if i look here they only list episodes 1-14..
http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1448.html
isn't that the original run? and why is the mazui stuff listed as 1-14 there.. Im very confused, i just want to know what i should d.load to see the whole thing, and what the heck the american dvd release is'
hopefully someone can clarify this because the series looks kinda interesting but im starting to wonder if its even worth the headache this screwed up release is giving me. some sites list it as 28 episodes total, others dont, i dont know whats going on
Season 1 was rerun in Japan. New epsiodes were shown in the correct order during the rerun. The new episodes are the 2009 episodes 1-14. Mazui numbered them as they were shown and they were renumbered on Animesuki to correspond to the 2009 numbering.
2009 1 = episode 8
2009 2 = episode 12
2009 3 = episode 13
2009 4 = episode 14
2009 5 = episode 15
2009 6 = episode 16
2009 7 = episode 17
2009 8 = episode 18
2009 9 = episode 19
2009 10 = episode 20
2009 11= episode 21
2009 12 = episode 22
2009 13 = episode 23
2009 14 = episode 24
episodes 1-7, 9-11, and 25-28 are currently on DVD
kenshin-dono
2009-09-16, 15:33
Season 1 was rerun in Japan. New epsiodes were shown in the correct order during the rerun. The new episodes are the 2009 episodes 1-14. Mazui numbered them as they were shown and they were renumbered on Animesuki to correspond to the 2009 numbering.
2009 1 = episode 8
2009 2 = episode 12
2009 3 = episode 13
2009 4 = episode 14
2009 5 = episode 15
2009 6 = episode 16
2009 7 = episode 17
2009 8 = episode 18
2009 9 = episode 19
2009 10 = episode 20
2009 11= episode 21
2009 12 = episode 22
2009 13 = episode 23
2009 14 = episode 24
episodes 1-7, 9-11, and 25-28 are currently on DVD
thanks a lot.. yowza thats kinda confusing. so let me get this straight
the 2009 episodes were just spliced in with a re-airing of the original 14 episodes, correct?
so if thats right.. the easiest way would be to just d.load the mazui ones since theyre numbered where they should apear.. and then either get the season 1 d.loaded and splice them in or get the dvds and stop and watch the season 2 mixed in right?
If i understand this properly then this should be, from season 1 (AKA american dvd release) with season 2 mixed in the proper order
01 season 1 [1]
02 season 1 [2]
03 season 1 [3]
04 season 1 [4]
05 season 1 [5]
06 season 1 [6]
07 season 1 [7]
08 season 2 (1)
09 season 1 [8]
10 season 1 [9]
11 season 1 [10]
12 season 2 (2)
13 season 2 (3)
14 season 2 (4)
15 season 2 (5)
16 season 2 (6)
17 season 2 (7)
18 season 2 (8)
19 season 2 (9)
20 season 2 (10)
21 season 2 (11)
22 season 2 (12)
23 season 2 (13)
24 season 2 (14)
25 season 1 [11]
26 season 1 [12]
27 season 1 [13]
28 season 1 [14]
is that correct?
looking for some clarification before i get going on it. honestly i was going to get the dvds but if i understand this right with the screwed up way this was released it would be far easier to just d.load the first season and splice the mazui eps in
why did they do this? if the original had the chronological real ending, then why even bother with a second season? is the whole 2nd season just throw away filler? i dont think ive ever seen a series just mix up episodes like that with a 2nd season
tnx for the info
*EDIT* looking at the list over on bakabt for season 1, its actually numbered 0-13.. how does that change my numbering above, is zero just considered 01?
Heminga13
2009-09-16, 15:47
It's probably better to view the 2009 season as the completed version of the 2006 season now aired in chronological order. This version adds in the stories from the novels that take place chronologically during the episodes that originally aired in 2006, which aired the episodes anachronically.
So it's not really two seasons in the sense that the 2006 season takes place before the 2009 season. It's more along the lines of two different seasons of the same series.
Also, I guess we should know what order the 2006 episodes you have are in. Broadcast, DVD, or Chronological?
0 is actually 11...or 25 now. It is the episode that should be reairing this week.
Nearly correct: DVD order still placed episode 00 at the beginning. 2009 places it where it was suppose to go...or at least it should...we'll find out tomorrow.
Corrected 2006 order:
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.01.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.I
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.02.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.II
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.03.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.III
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.04.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.IV
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.05.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.V
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.06.-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.VI
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.07.-.The.Boredom.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.08.-.Mysterique.Sign
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.09.-.Remote.Island.Syndrome.Part.One
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.10.-.Remote.Island.Syndrome.Part.Two
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.00.-.The.Adventures.of.Mikuru.Asahina.Episode.00
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.11.-.Live.Alive
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.12.-.The.Day.of.Sagittarius
The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.13.-.Someday.in.the.Rain
Corrected for 2009 included:
01 (01).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.I.
02 (02).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.II.
03 (03).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.III.
04 (04).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.IV.
05 (05).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.V.
06 (06).-.The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.VI.
07 (07).-.The.Boredom.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.
08 season 2 (1) Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody
09 (08).-.Mysterique.Sign.
10 (09).-.Remote.Island.Syndrome.Part.One.
11 (10).-.Remote.Island.Syndrome.Part.Two.
12 season 2 (2) Endless Eight
13 season 2 (3) Endless Eight
14 season 2 (4) Endless Eight
15 season 2 (5) Endless Eight
16 season 2 (6) Endless Eight
17 season 2 (7) Endless Eight
18 season 2 (8) Endless Eight
19 season 2 (9) Endless Eight
20 season 2 (10) The.Sigh.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.I
21 season 2 (11) The.Sigh.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.II
22 season 2 (12) The.Sigh.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.III
23 season 2 (13) The.Sigh.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.IV
24 season 2 (14) The.Sigh.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.V
25 (00).-.The.Adventures.of.Mikuru.Asahina.Episode.00.
26 (11).-.Live.Alive.
27 (12).-.The.Day.of.Sagittarius.
28 (13).-.Someday.in.the.Rain.
freakonboard
2009-09-16, 22:22
Thought this (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Timeline) might help.
kenshin-dono
2009-09-16, 23:44
tnx so much itherko that clarifies it for me. PHEW what a convoluded mess. I generally like supporting releases stateside but in this case im just d.loading the whole shebang because its so mixed up. If they release a complete compilation down the road ill snag that. Looks like my message with the link to the first season got deleted, didn't think about that, sorry. But at least you got the episode numbers of the filename for the list before that.
i can figure it out from that thanks again
Tornadium
2009-09-17, 10:58
To make this simple.
This was a rerun to put everything in order Chronologically before they proceed.
Again, please remember the purpose of this thread. From the opening post...
the purpose of this thread is to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime, novel or manga.
If you wish to discuss a particular character then please use the appropriate character discussion thread.
CMHerrera
2009-09-20, 19:59
Okay I was doing some reading around and I found something that seem interesting and I was wondering if you can help me find this? I can't find anything this.
""In the Suzumiya Haruhi novels Itsuki claims he acts Ambiguously Gay and seems to almost be flirting with Kyon because he thinks that if he didn't act that way on his own, Haruhi would unconsciously use her power to make him. Think about that for a minute.
In Haruhi-Chan, her movie script in episode 9 is centered around a Meidotournament, with Kyon and Itsuki winning and becoming a couple, which causes Mikuru to become confused and stop thinking.""
I found this here
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YaoiFangirl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YaoiFangirl)
It never happened. What Itsuki said is not hinself to Haruhi. It is an act. People assume he gayness was included. Even tough he only act that way when Haruhi is not around.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-09-20, 20:06
Even in Haruhi-chan, the logic was "guys are stronger than girls, and thus would be likely to win a fight with one." Though why Haruhi didn't go "guy vs guy, girl vs girl," I don't know.
*e* Sorry, must have misunderstood. :heh:
EGFontanilla
2009-09-20, 22:22
What did they air this week? Cause the Sighs finale skipped over Live Alive.
By the way, would you call the last scene in Sighs a date? I mean, there's no one else but the two of them.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-09-20, 22:33
The last scene in Sigh is a continuation of the last scene in Melancholy. It was actually the prologue of the novel, but they decided to put it at the end for the anime.
As for what was aired: Episode 00.
CrowKenobi
2009-09-20, 22:34
In order:
They aired "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina, Episode 00" last week, this week? Hopefully "Live A Live."
The last scene comes from the end of the "Melancholy" arc after the end credits of episode 6. :D
Edit: Ninja's by KS, again! :p
dragon4dudes
2009-09-20, 22:43
What's the ninja'd count now Crow?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-09-20, 22:53
... Would that count as one or two? :heh:
lucas755
2009-09-24, 16:24
For some reason, I can't seem to find the song from the beginning of this (http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/melancholy-haruhi-suzumiya-episode-2-english-dubbed-online-free#English) episode of the anime anywhere (not the opening theme). Could someone help?
I'm going to guess it is called "Itsumo no fuukei"
lucas755
2009-09-24, 16:50
That's it. Thanks.
Hi, new here, not really sure if this is the right thread to ask this or not, but I've been reading the light novels, and I don't really understand the whole A and B parts that book 9 is divided into. Is it supposed to be two different outcomes? If anyone could explain this it would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, new here, not really sure if this is the right thread to ask this or not, but I've been reading the light novels, and I don't really understand the whole A and B parts that book 9 is divided into. Is it supposed to be two different outcomes? If anyone could explain this it would be greatly appreciated.
It is not like anyone knows about it, you know. It was the last book realesed so far.
Well, it is probably two different universes, or something similar. Each part is a continuation from the part that comes before with the same label α-5 is the continuation of α-4 and ß-3 follow ß-2.
No one know why is that way, tough.
dragon4dudes
2009-09-25, 21:18
It probably has something to do which Asahina big's choosing the future thing to Kyon in a previous volume. Sorry I can't be more specific.
It probably has something to do which Asahina big's choosing the future thing to Kyon in a previous volume. Sorry I can't be more specific.
Wait, what? Where did you pick that from? The book itself don't suggest it in any way. And this isn't even the most popular fan theory (with involve sliders).
Galeontanilla
2009-09-26, 18:28
What episode was it when Kyon & Nagato go to the library?
In with order?
Melancholy part III
Original(2006) Order: 5th episode
DVD Order: 4th episode
Rerun order: 3th episode
Galeontanilla
2009-09-26, 18:43
Ah, thanks. I asked cause I thought it was a long scene that I missed, apparently I only missed about a minute. X_X
dragon4dudes
2009-09-26, 21:03
Wait, what? Where did you pick that from? The book itself don't suggest it in any way. And this isn't even the most popular fan theory (with involve sliders).
It's something I oh-so-very vaguely recall. I could be pulling crap out of my ass, but I'm pretty sure something along those lines is mentioned. I think it volume 7...
PastPrime
2009-09-27, 20:26
Wait, what? Where did you pick that from? The book itself don't suggest it in any way. And this isn't even the most popular fan theory (with involve sliders).
From Volume 7. Mikuru Big speaking to Kyon.
Asahina-san's charming voice began to grow weak,
"Very soon you will be faced with a great divergence, a choice that would cause a great change to the future... If you chose the
other side, then it... um... it wouldn't be good for our future."
Sounds like the Alpha and Beta timelines, only one of which will end in Mikuru's future.
From Chapter 7. Mikuru Big speaking to Kyon.
Asahina-san's charming voice began to grow weak,
"Very soon you will be faced with a great divergence, a choice that would cause a great change to the future... If you chose the
other side, then it... um... it wouldn't be good for our future."
Sounds like the Alpha and Beta timelines, only one of which will end in Mikuru's future.
Oh, thanks, didn't remember that. Anyway, this is completely different from what dragon4dudes said. It is more like Kyon choosing something, not Mikuru(Big).
dragon4dudes
2009-09-27, 21:04
Well, the quote is Mikuru (big)'s so, I guess I was unclear in my explanation. Damn you laziness and procrastination.
Well, the quote is Mikuru (big)'s so, I guess I was unclear in my explanation. Damn you laziness and procrastination.
No, I meant this quote is Mikuru(Big) saying Kyon will face a choice that "a choice that would cause a great change to the future". While you said "Asahina big's choosing the future thing to Kyon", which is pretty much the oposite.
dragon4dudes
2009-09-27, 21:39
I again apologize for any misunderstanding I may have created. I suppose I was rushed in typing and posted without a reread. I meant the former.
Honestly not sure where to post this--anyway someone please tell me the easy way to get these episodes in 1-28 order.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4452/afk.png
Copied season 1 and 2 and threw them into that folder-- the text files are placeholders but work for what I'm trying to achieve at the moment.
A little assistance? :)
CrowKenobi
2009-09-29, 22:00
Honestly not sure where to post this--anyway someone please tell me the easy way to get these episodes in 1-28 order.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4452/afk.png
Copied season 1 and 2 and threw them into that folder-- the text files are placeholders but work for what I'm trying to achieve at the moment.
A little assistance? :)Already did it! :D
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3001/mohseplist.th.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/mohseplist.jpg/)
The numbers in parentheses is the year and episode number...
Honestly not sure where to post this--anyway someone please tell me the easy way to get these episodes in 1-28 order.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4452/afk.png
Copied season 1 and 2 and threw them into that folder-- the text files are placeholders but work for what I'm trying to achieve at the moment.
A little assistance? :)
First of all, in which order are that "season 1" episodes?
Assuming it is chronological, it would be:
Season1 episode1-7
Season2 episode1
Season1 episode8-10
Season2 episode2-14
Season1 episode11-14
If it is the DVD order, then
Season1 episode2-8
Season2 episode1
Season1 episode9-11
Season2 episode2-14
Season1 episode1
Season1 episode12-14
PP:
Oh, ninjaed by a crow!
PPP:
Wait, Crow! Did you image actually explain anything? Unless you are expecting he base on the 'Date Modified' to organise it?
Already did it! :D
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/3001/mohseplist.th.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/mohseplist.jpg/)
The numbers in parentheses is the year and episode number...
Thanks much, pretty confident they're in the right order now.. although it was a bit confusing. :heh:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5716/afk2.png
@Heatth they were both in airing order, that was your list order right? (originally before becoming chron like this) if not I gotta do that again LOL
CrowKenobi
2009-09-29, 22:17
PP:
Oh, ninjaed by a crow!
PPP:
Wait, Crow! Did you image actually explain anything? Unless you are expecting he base on the 'Date Modified' to organise it?The numbers in the files in parentheses are the year broadcast and episode number. For example: the first file the (06-02) represents 2006/second episode broadcast. :D
Modified file:
[/URL][URL="http://img121.imageshack.us/i/mohseplist2.jpg/"]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6651/mohseplist2.th.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/mohseplist2.jpg/)
Alright so your numbers were based off airing, just thought that was what you had there by default.
Ice Block
2009-09-30, 14:19
Ho ho... My version of this:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/th_SHnYFolder.jpg (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/SHnYFolder.jpg)
(click to enlarge)
Format: [sub group] Series Name - 2006ChronologicalOrder.(decimal reserved for new episodes in between) [Year+BroadcastOrder]
This is inspired by the 2009 run's DVD numbering.
Siggrodoth
2009-10-03, 20:00
Hey guys. I read in another forum that the idea to make Endless Eight last that long was Tanigawa Nagaru's. Is there any evidence of this at all?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-03, 21:40
As far as I can tell, the only evidence we have that Tanigawa had anything at all to do with this "season" is the fact that he was involved with Sigh I.
Galeontanilla
2009-10-09, 01:07
Does Itsuki ever show his real personality? If so, in which novel?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-09, 01:13
The closest I can think of would be during Sigh, the most recently animated storyline. And even then, it's a very brief moment.
Siggrodoth
2009-10-09, 20:01
He also has a moment in Snow Mountain Syndrome. He tells Kyon that, should the different factions following Haruhi come to blows, he'll side with the SOS Brigade first and foremost.
mammothb
2009-10-10, 06:33
eh the novel is still ongoing rit? and
volume 9 is not supposed to have a definite conclusion like? like a to be continued thing rit?
PastPrime
2009-10-10, 13:06
eh the novel is still ongoing rit? and
volume 9 is not supposed to have a definite conclusion like? like a to be continued thing rit?
It is supposed to continue. Mikuru Big told Kyon in volume 7, although we did not understand what she was saying at the time, that he will have to chose between the Time Lines and she hopes that he will chose hers. Volume 9 has the time line splitting, so there will have to be another volume where Kyon choses between the Time Lines.
What do you (guys) think if there's a real Haruhi Literary Club Journal?
* Haruhi invented time travel (her article)
* Mikuru's mix up fairy tale
* Yuki's ghostly poem
* Itsuki's mystery
* Kyon's love story
* Tsuruya-san's funny story (Hard Cheese! The Tragedy of Boy N) or something
* Computer Club game review
* Taniguchi's boring essay
* Kunikuda's study aid
* etc. (articles added by other clubs)
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-13, 14:19
... I forget... did we even get to see Koizumi's? :heh:
lol no one got to see Koizumi's
The only ones whose works were seen were Mikuru's, Yuki's and Kyon's
The rest were described (no one got to see Tsuruya-san's story, except the fact that we know that anyone who reads it will laugh like Tsuruya-san) except Koizumi's
worldruined
2009-10-13, 15:27
Koizumi copped out on his -- and Kyon plagiarized the results to bring us Lone Island Syndrome and Where Did the Cat Go? XD
Koizumi's isn't finished yet. He's got five out of seven...maybe eight "books" done.
He's just tired from all the use of red and blue ink on top of the normal black ink.
(And Haruhi is going to make it "real")
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-13, 17:21
Koizumi's isn't finished yet. He's got five out of seven...maybe eight "books" done.
He's just tired from all the use of red and blue ink on top of the normal black ink.
(And Haruhi is going to make it "real")
Koizumi is Ryukishi07!?
...Well, he is rather trollish...
Makes Battler a whole lot more of a self-inserted character now.
And Meta goes to a whole different extreme if it Koizumi as the author.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-13, 17:49
Makes Battler a whole lot more of a self-inserted character now.
And Meta goes to a whole different extreme if it Koizumi as the author.
Battler, aside from his voice, is just about the exact opposite of Koizumi though. :heh:
(Q&A is not a discussion thread. Continue this elsewhere.)
Siggrodoth
2009-10-13, 18:14
What was the story that had Haruhi White and the Seven Mini Yuki's? That one was awesome, and the images only made it better. Can't wait to see that particular one animated, even if it comes out no earlier than 2015.
Editor in Chief★Straight Ahead!. At Volume 8 - The Indignation of Suzumiya Haruhi.
Siggrodoth
2009-10-13, 21:10
Editor in Chief★Straight Ahead!. At Volume 8 - The Indignation of Suzumiya Haruhi.
But was it Mikuru who wrote it? By narrowing it down, it seems that's the case. Still, can't wait for an animated version of that.
Yes, it was Mikuru.
I am also wanting to see the animated version for it, also for Yuki's story. However, I believe 2011 would be the most optimistic guess. So, nothing any time soon. =/
mammothb
2009-10-14, 05:02
hmm so they are definitely continuing the anime?
hmm so they are definitely continuing the anime?
Well, they are making a movie and it sell insanelly well. So, yeah, I guess they are. There is no confirmation, tough
Godly_senselessness
2009-10-14, 22:59
Hi,Could someone tell me if i should skip any episodes in season 2?I am going to start it and i keep hearing about ppl being disgusted with the "endless eight"?
Most will say you should skip some of the Endless Eight episodes...but there is disagreement on which ones to skip.
Out of the eight episodes of Endless Eight, one needs to see the first one and the last one. The remaining six are generally up to the viewer, but it is recommended that you see at least two of those remaining six. The Second episode is generally recommended, as side from its ending, it is the original plotline.
Opinions vary on Three through Seven, though Three is considered the worst I suppose along with the Sixth one. The Fourth one seems to have been done by the Clannad art staffs...so really pretty backgrounds, but somewhat different looking character designs. Pretty nice though. The Fifth one is the most like the orignal season run in terms of animation and style. The Seventh one is the most Meta of all of them...you can see the art staff is having fun with us now and the voice actors are getting tired so they are mixing things up (This is about as close to being Shaft as KyoAni gets).
Other than that, watch all the other episodes.
Triple_R
2009-10-15, 22:05
Hi,Could someone tell me if i should skip any episodes in season 2?I am going to start it and i keep hearing about ppl being disgusted with the "endless eight"?
This is what I would probably do if I were you... Watch the first two iterations of Endless Eight (that's the second and third new episodes of this year of new Haruhi episodes - the two episodes immediately after BLR, IIRC).
Then ask yourself how much more of E8 you can take after watching those two episodes.
If you feel "bring it on! I love it!", watch them all.
If you feel "maybe a little", I'd recommend skipping parts 3 through 6 of E8, and watching parts 7 and 8.
If you feel "not much at all", skip right to the last E8 episode.
Other than E8, watch all the other episodes.
That's my recommendation, anyway.
I agree with Triple here. Just add that I believe the 2nd and the 5th E8 are the best ones(specially the 5th), so you might want to see then.
Also, I believe the 3th is by far the worse, and many say similar thing about the 7th.
Yes, it was Mikuru.
I am also wanting to see the animated version for it, also for Yuki's story. However, I believe 2011 would be the most optimistic guess. So, nothing any time soon. =/
Yeah I also want to see Tsuruya-san's story. Hope it is worth laughing XD.
Or they should print a Literary Journal of that instead. (In English and in Japanese)
Yeah I also want to see Tsuruya-san's story. Hope it is worth laughing XD.
This is not shown in the novel, so the chance of they animate it is low. We can only read Yuki's, Mikuru's and Kyon's storys. Well, and Itsuki's, kinda, as it was dramatization of an early story (from Book 3 or 6, don't remember)
Or they should print a Literary Journal of that instead. (In English and in Japanese)
What do you mean?
Yes, it was Mikuru.
I am also wanting to see the animated version for it, also for Yuki's story. However, I believe 2011 would be the most optimistic guess. So, nothing any time soon. =/
This is not shown in the novel, so the chance of they animate it is low. We can only read Yuki's, Mikuru's and Kyon's storys. Well, and Itsuki's, kinda, as it was dramatization of an early story (from Book 3 or 6, don't remember)
What do you mean?
I meant that they (KyoAni/Kadokawa/or someone out there) print an official version of Haruhi's literary journal (I also want to see the symbols of Haruhi: the basic formula/theory of time travel and Tsuruya-san's funny article which made everyone laugh [except Nagato]).
As for Tsuruya-san's story:
We managed to finish the Club Journal by the deadline. It was just a booklet printed on copy paper that we stuck together with a gigantic, industrial-sized stapler, but as for the content―――removing any bias I may have―――you could say that it was fairly substantial.
Of particular excellence, was the Adventure Story that Tsuruya-san had written. Every single one who read her romp of a short story entitled "Hard Cheese! The Tragedy of Boy N" had to hold his side in laughter. I, myself, had laughed so hard that tears came out. That there was such an amusing tale in this world―――I had this feeling for a long time after that. The only one who read it and didn't even move a muscle on her face was Nagato, but that slapstick story in Tsuruya-san's lively writing style was so funny, that I wondered if even Nagato would secretly read it in her own room and let out a few giggles.
Hmmm...so Tsuruya's story is likely the basis for "Nyoro~n-san".
It can't be... it must be another hidden story of Tsuruya-san
I'm not sure if this question has an accurate answer, but...
How good is Kyon at English (specifically at reading)?
Pretty bad, I guess. I believe that he couldn't read the cover of Nagato's books, when she move up from translated hard scy-fi books to hard sy-fi books in it original language.
However, this "original" language could be German, Russian or anything. And, as don't think he ever tryed to read other things in English, I believe there is no accurate asnwer.
Why you want to no, if I can ask?
lol it's probably for his fanfic.
But yeah Kyon doesn't listen in class anyway...
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-18, 18:13
I'd imagine he'd be able to have a vague understanding of the various character albums, but that's all I can think of in regards to English.
Truthfully, this really can't be answered. It's mostly just speculation, due to his usual complaints over Haruhi being so much better than him at school.
mammothb
2009-10-19, 00:15
in the novels, kyon is bad at studying and almost fails exams(which he passed after haurhi's help) so i think it is quite safe to say that he is bad at english
He's just good at odd meta references and jargon in his narrations.
lol it's probably for his fanfic.Indeed it is.:heh:
Anyway, thanks for the answers.
He probably knows one English word...
To Asakura: Why why why why are you going to kill me?
ZOOM IN!
EXCELLENT, ASAHINA-SAN!
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-20, 14:36
Don't forget THREE DAYS.
To Asakura: Why why why why are you going to kill me?You missed one 'why' there, actually.:heh:
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-20, 16:15
Let's just say that he's got about the same grasp of the English language as someone who's just starting out with any language: The numbers from 1-10, a handful of random words and the ever-important phrases of "Where is the restroom?" and "I only know {insert first language here}, can you speak it?" :p
ijuinkun
2009-10-20, 22:04
Yeah, in other words he knows about as much as any average high schooler in Japan.
Do emotions usually make TFEIs go: "Error error foreign program detected or something?" *referring to Yuki's division by zero error during the Disappearance or something like that*
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-22, 10:22
Well, if a certain image song is any indication...
AmyElizzabeth
2009-10-22, 15:29
under Mebius? :D
under Mebius? :DI think he was referring to SELECT.
Kyon commented that Yuki went "berserk" when "emotions" appeared.
To be accurate:
It is because you were designed not to have any emotions to begin with, the reaction felt from you was far greater. You probably felt like screaming, or going ballistic, or just yelling out loud, You stupid girl! I've had enough of you! Right? No, even if she didn't think that way, what she did was totally understandable.
A question I was thinking: What is the minimum age required to read the Haruhi light novels? (with all those deep philosophies and strip Mikuru scenes it feels like a minimum of 18).
AmyElizzabeth
2009-10-23, 20:43
My Melancholy book I bought was for ages 15+.
I'm 13.
Oops ;)
CrowKenobi
2009-10-23, 20:44
A question I was thinking: What is the minimum age required to read the Haruhi light novels? (with all those deep philosophies and strip Mikuru scenes it feels like a minimum of 18).According to the back of volume 2: Ages 15 and up
:D
EDIT: Ninja'd! :p
ijuinkun
2009-10-23, 22:00
Also, 18+ really tends to be reserved for explicit sex or gore.
Good... I can show it to high schoolers then XD (in the future)
AmyElizzabeth
2009-10-23, 22:41
"Now, there will be some..scenes where Haruhi touches M-"
*everyone goes to front seat*
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-23, 22:56
"Here's the adaptation of it. Please study carefully." ;)
*e* Okay, we can stop with the discussion, the question has been answered already. (This was edited after the following post had been made.)
lol they prefer the light novel form. Very wordy with good descriptions.
AmyElizzabeth
2009-10-24, 11:39
That's why I love the novels.
Question: Was Tachibana Kyouko's name given in Novel 7?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-24, 11:43
I can't seem to find it, so probably not.
*e* Double-checked, she's simply referred to with a nickname during the entire scene.
*e2* Could you please add spoiler tags for your question?
Does Haruhi, Yutaka and Minami wear the same loafers (I'm trying to look for it online)...
no idea. i dont really stare at their loafers. lol.
ummm... also, another question. how many time did kyon smile at haruhi in the anime? and also, can you please tell me what happened? (or just the episode number, if it's more convenient for you, just tell me if it's in chronological order ^_~)
i wanna see those scenes! (i was actually rewatching the whole series, but a certain somebody just broke my beloved dvd!)
P.S. i know the first time was that awkward smile when he first asked her if she were serious about the aliens thing.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-01, 09:36
I recall a genuine smile in Live A Live when Haruhi was being all mopey about being unsure if she actually deserved the thanks the ENOZ girls gave her, but aside from that, I don't really remember. :heh:
AmyElizzabeth
2009-11-01, 14:21
The ponytail scene was another.
God dammit Kyon.
Smile at your damn God.
Don't forget the baseball game (I think).
And in the Mysterious Island (well Haruhi's glad that Kyon's alright)...
hm... i see. but i could just swear there were more than that.
anyway, how about hugs? did kyon ever hug haruhi in the anime? i mean, did the fall in the remote island even count? and in the ponytail scene, did he hug her when he kissed her?
AmyElizzabeth
2009-11-01, 23:07
Um, no hugs. I wish though. I want some interactions :)
The fall, I guess. I count it. I mean, while falling, they could have embraced as like, a survival technique. (All the times I've fallen with someone, one of us like, hugs eachother subconsiously. It's kinda freaky)
Iaevuous
2009-11-02, 01:39
and in the ponytail scene, did he hug her when he kissed her?
His hands are on her shoulders.
Is this correct
...
Dozens of icicles were thrust into the ground, forming a forest.
"You can't defeat me while we're in this space," Nagato stated. (I thought Asakura created the space... why did it say 'Nagato'?)
Asakura stood still, looking completely composed.
...
Iaevuous
2009-11-04, 09:00
It's what my copy of the official translation says.
Baka-Tsuki's translation says this:...
Asakura moved away with a speed that couldn't be seen with the naked eye, and instantly an icicle forest formed from the ground.
"There's no way you can beat me in this area of space." Asakura said calmly. She and Nagato stood a few meters apart, facing each other, while I could only kneel on the ground hopelessly, not daring to stand up.
Nagato stood in front of me with her legs slightly opened, and it's only now that I notice she's so serious that she even wrote her own name on her indoor shoes.
...
Which part would be correct though...
Also the:
*Koizumi's intro*
I drank my coffee in silence. I shouldn't have put in so much sugar. It was too sweet.
Selofain
2009-11-04, 15:27
Translation error/mix-up. When in doubt, watch the anime. :) Asakura is clearly speaking. And that was pretty much the first mistake I zeroed in on the first time I saw this book (I just straight to this scene- my favorite).
Also
I drank my coffee in silence. Mmm, too sweet, he should've bought it with less sugar.
There's probably none in the second book XD (they wouldn't be so careless this time...) I think...
mammothb
2009-11-05, 22:58
hi, does any one know where i can find a copy of this kind of pronunciation exercise? this is not a violation of forum rit? (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2rn8t_japanese-pronunciation-exercise_fun) another example would be the one they did in clannad and hitohira too i think, though the sentences they said could be different.
ummm... this was bugging me before, but i only remembered it now.
can Haruhi really play the piano?
it was shown in the first OP, and also in the drama CD... but i've only read up to book 3 of the novel, and i don't wanna read further in fear of spoilers (you know how it is ^^), soo... i was just wondering. was it ever mentioned in canon?
ummm... this was bugging me before, but i only remembered it now.
can Haruhi really play the piano?
it was shown in the first OP, and also in the drama CD... but i've only read up to book 3 of the novel, and i don't wanna read further in fear of spoilers (you know how it is ^^), soo... i was just wondering. was it ever mentioned in canon?
Probably. As far I remember it wasn't shown in canon at any place. However, Haruhi is good in a lot of things, it is not unraseonable to think she might have learn it is on of the many clubs she attended.
In any way, it wasn't a plot point yet.
For your fear of spoilers, there are some storys after Book 3 you might want to read, as they have already be animated: Endless Eight and The Day of Sagittarius, from Vol.5 and Live A Live and Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00 from Vol.6.
I can't really understand you, however. For me, it is the anime taht might spoil the novel, not the oposite. The anime is an awesome adaption, sure, but it is still inferior to the original most of times (Sighs and Live A Live being exeptions). So, to fully enjoy, I would preffer to read the best first.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-15, 03:32
ummm... this was bugging me before, but i only remembered it now.
can Haruhi really play the piano?
She can. It's in Sound Around, the (epic) Drama CD.
She can. It's in Sound Around, the (epic) Drama CD.
uhhh... you may not have noticed, but i already mentioned that when i asked.
it was shown in the first OP, and also in the drama CD...
For your fear of spoilers, there are some storys after Book 3 you might want to read, as they have already be animated: Endless Eight and The Day of Sagittarius, from Vol.5 and Live A Live and Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00 from Vol.6.
yup, i know. i've already read endless eight, but i'm still getting around to the day of sagittarius. i've been real busy lately.
I can't really understand you, however. For me, it is the anime taht might spoil the novel, not the oposite.
well... even though i got hooked into books first before i even learned about anime, i'm an anime enthusiast at heart. so i really prefer animes over anything else, be it books or mangas. besides, if i already know the plot by reading the novels, i wouldn't bother watching the anime. and for me, that's a... it's... it's just... i can't even put it inot words. ^^
oh, by the way! what color are kyon's eyes? yellow? gold?
She can. It's in Sound Around, the (epic) Drama CD.
Is Sound Around canon however? I was never sure, no matter how funny it was. By the way, when it is suppose to occur? In story, I mean.
oh, by the way! what color are kyon's eyes? yellow? gold?
Simple brown right? He is suppose to be a normal school guy, after all. It is kinda yellow-ish, but there are people with that caramel-ish eye color. Don't know how it is called in englihs, tough.
well... even though i got hooked into books first before i even learned about anime, i'm an anime enthusiast at heart. so i really prefer animes over anything else, be it books or mangas. besides, if i already know the plot by reading the novels, i wouldn't bother watching the anime. and for me, that's a... it's... it's just... i can't even put it inot words. ^^
I see. Again, the complete oposite of myself. I would preffer manga/novel over the anime. Even if the anime came first, I might give the manga a look first.
Simple brown right? He is suppose to be a normal school guy, after all. It is kinda yellow-ish, but there are people with that caramel-ish eye color. Don't know how it is called in englihs, tough.
Hazel? Though that seems like it can vary from vaguely brown to vaguely gold to vaguely green.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-15, 17:00
Is Sound Around canon however? I was never sure, no matter how funny it was. By the way, when it is suppose to occur? In story, I mean.
The first part is immediately after Live Alive, the second about a week after Someday in the Rain. It's anime-canon only, though.
The first part is immediately after Live Alive, the second about a week after Someday in the Rain. It's anime-canon only, though.
I see. Hmmm, speaking on that, is Someday in the Rain canon? I remember it was writen by Tanigawa, so it is safe to call it "canon" right? I even remember hearing something about a novelization. It was Sound Around writen by Tanigawa too?
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-15, 21:00
I see. Hmmm, speaking on that, is Someday in the Rain canon? I remember it was writen by Tanigawa, so it is safe to call it "canon" right? I even remember hearing something about a novelization. It was Sound Around writen by Tanigawa too?
A script was released in The Sneaker, so yes, Someday in the Rain is canon.
As far as I know, Sound Around wasn't written by Tanigawa, but I could be wrong.
Demoned Away
2009-11-15, 22:18
I want to start watching the second season now (I don't really know why I waited this long...) but can someone explain the episodes to me? I've heard some people say that they had reruns of the 2006 episodes. Are they also part of season 2, or what? What's the proper order to watch Season 2 in? Do I have to watch some of the season 1 episodes for it to make sense?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-15, 22:28
*sigh*
There is no second season. What was aired in 2009 was the DVD versions of the original run, along with new episodes covering the three stories they skipped over. If you've already seen the episodes from 2006, you don't need to worry about them.
I want to start watching the second season now (I don't really know why I waited this long...) but can someone explain the episodes to me? I've heard some people say that they had reruns of the 2006 episodes. Are they also part of season 2, or what? What's the proper order to watch Season 2 in? Do I have to watch some of the season 1 episodes for it to make sense?
Strictly speaking there is no "Season 2", there are a rerun of the original season with new episodes mixed in it. That being said, you don't really to watch the old episodes to understand the new. It could be the oposite, actually, after watching the news, you might to watch the olders, as they will be seen with new eyes now.
Anyway, the "proper" order is as they were released. This is also the chronological order. As most fansubers labeled then considering only the new episodes, if you want to watch only the new ones there is no problem. However, if you want to rewatch the olders ones as well, you should watch the first 7 episodes of the chronological order (i.e. the DVD order skiping the first episode) then the first episode. After that, there are 3 old episodes, then all the rest of the so called "Season 2" (you might want to skip half of it). After that there are the last few episodes of the original airing, including "Episode00"
Here a link with some handy lists: Wikipidia's List of Suzumiya Haruhi episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_episodes )
hey, i was rewatching the episodes, and i noticed something... is the mole on kyon's neck, the one they showed on remote island syndrome part 2, canon?
wassupimviet
2009-12-06, 02:21
Not really. There's no mention of it in the novel. It's probably just some reference gone far over our heads.
dragon4dudes
2009-12-06, 11:11
It probably has some reference to the position of moles and the personality trait they signal. My mom says so anyways, and she's Chinese so. Apparently a mole in the middle of the space between the nose and mouth refers to becoming a powerful person.
What did Nagato mean about all their theories being incorrect? (during the sighs part and summarizing mikuru's theory)
mammothb
2009-12-06, 20:09
What did Nagato mean about all their theories being incorrect? (during the sighs part and summarizing mikuru's theory)
i think it means that there is no way currently to provide evidence to support their theories in speech or other ways Kyon(human) can understand. also because any phenomenon that occurs can be explained by either of the 3 theories.
(but i also think that part of the reason is that if one of the theories is proven wrong then that character can no longer be part of the story)
i think it means that there is no way currently to provide evidence to support their theories in speech or other ways Kyon(human) can understand. also because any phenomenon that occurs can be explained by either of the 3 theories.
(but i also think that part of the reason is that if one of the theories is proven wrong then that character can no longer be part of the story)
What are their theories rooted on? (I know that Koizumi's theory is based on philosophy + religion, Mikuru's can be based on time + science [maybe] and Nagato's is probably pure science or something)
mammothb
2009-12-07, 00:40
i'm not really sure about koizumi, but since they say haruhi is a god so i guess it has something to do with religion.
mikuru is more like history, since kyon's present is mikuru's past? and haruhi happens to be the deciding factor that can change the past, she isn't a omnipotent being with the ability to create the world but her actions are able to affect history(from mikuru's pov)
ya i think yuki's is just pure science, they are observing haruhi who has the potential for some form of evolution
yeah.. mikuru's is kinda a bit of history, but i think it's mostly science... time travel, and such. yuki's is kinda based on evolution, technology and... alienology? but yeah, mostly science. it IS in the sco-fi genre after all..
btw, does anyone know what TPDD means? i once thought it meant Time Plane Displacement Device but...
also... i'm kinda having a hard time with the novels. WHEN does it occur? like first year? or senior year? coz i was reading vol. 5, and kyon says somethingsomething senior year. didn't endless eight happen during their freshmen year?
P.S. take it easy on the spoilers. i havent read anything that isnt in the anime.
btw, does anyone know what TPDD means? i once thought it meant Time Plane Displacement Device but...It was volume 4 that mentioned the full name...Time Plane Destruction Device.
yeah.. mikuru's is kinda a bit of history, but i think it's mostly science... time travel, and such. yuki's is kinda based on evolution, technology and... alienology? but yeah, mostly science. it IS in the sco-fi genre after all..
Just because they come from future, it don't mean they see things in a scy-fy scientifc way. They analize Haruhi purelly by an historical eyes. They are not rying to discover nothing new (like Nagato's faction), but just ensure things "will" happen as they happened.
also... i'm kinda having a hard time with the novels. WHEN does it occur? like first year? or senior year? coz i was reading vol. 5, and kyon says somethingsomething senior year. didn't endless eight happen during their freshmen year?
Everything happen in their first year in hight school. Exept for the latest novel (the 9th) that it is on the second year. Here a Timeline (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Timeline)(possible spoiler, but just chapter names). Where Kyon said anything about senior year?
seriously? hmmm... here's what's written on my copy of vol. 5
These are the events that occurred before the filming of that regrettable film, during my senior high school's summer vacation.
Senior High School doesn't mean his senior year. It's a way to differentiate between junior high (aka middle school) and senior high (normally just called high school).
What are the chances of airing the rest of the novels? Is the series popular enough for it?
mammothb
2009-12-07, 23:08
i guess they will see how the movie does, and they see if it is better to make another series or a movie maybe? just guessing
What are the chances of airing the rest of the novels? Is the series popular enough for it?
Yes, it is. It was a huge hype back in 2006. The 2009 run was considerable less so, but it still is in the Top list of DVD sales.
dragon4dudes
2009-12-08, 19:46
As noted in the 2009 rerun thread. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2795491#post2795491)
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-09, 00:32
Let's put it like this: Any other anime that sold like Haruhi 2006 did would have had a second season within a year. Hell, an anime that sold like Haruhi 2009 is currently doing would have had a second season within a year.
But this is Haruhi.
CrowKenobi
2009-12-09, 01:13
No, this is SPAR... KADAKOWA! :heh:
So, instead of Lucky Star, it should've been Haruhi S2 after Kanon? ;)
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-09, 02:13
So, instead of Lucky Star, it should've been Haruhi S2 after Kanon? ;)
With any other studio, yeah. Of course, most other studios are capable of producing at least two shows at once, sacrificing quality.
I'd rather wait three years for quality, myself, but...
mammothb
2009-12-09, 02:25
With any other studio, yeah. Of course, most other studios are capable of producing at least two shows at once, sacrificing quality.
I'd rather wait three years for quality, myself, but...
i feel the same way, since the story stays roughly the same, all i want to see is how it gets animated, so i put more importance on the quality rather than speed.
dragon4dudes
2009-12-09, 17:36
Though was the quality really that great immediately after three years? The benefits didn't seem to outweigh the costs.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-10, 00:10
Though was the quality really that great immediately after three years? The benefits didn't seem to outweigh the costs.
Exactly.
Well. Sighs was great, but...
ummm... another question...
what about kyon's parents? i'm not sure of this, but i think his mother was mentioned in the novels at least once...
ummm... another question...
what about kyon's parents? i'm not sure of this, but i think his mother was mentioned in the novels at least once...
She was. More then once, actually. But she never did or said anything imortant. His father was never mentioned.
In a similar way, neither Haruhi's or Itsuki's parents were. Yuki's are inexistent, and Mikuru's are, presumably, still on future.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-11, 07:20
ummm... another question...
what about kyon's parents? i'm not sure of this, but i think his mother was mentioned in the novels at least once...
His mother is mentioned fairly frequently... His father, however, is only mentioned in past tense, in Vol. 9... he most likely either isn't around at all, or not very often.
She was. More then once, actually. But she never did or said anything imortant. His father was never mentioned.
In a similar way, neither Haruhi's or Itsuki's parents were. Yuki's are inexistent, and Mikuru's are, presumably, still on future.
Haruhi went with her family to see a baseball game when she was younger, but who knows what might've happened to them since then.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-12-11, 12:40
The dub had Kyon referencing both parents during the WAWAWA scene of Melancholy IV. Not sure if that counts, though. :heh:
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-11, 16:09
In a similar way, neither Haruhi's or Itsuki's parents were. Yuki's are inexistent, and Mikuru's are, presumably, still on future.
Haruhi does bring up her parents a couple times, most notably in Sound Around. Which is anime-canon, but still.
And yeah, the other three probably don't have parents on the current time plane, or, in Itsuki's case, parents who live with him.
The dub had Kyon referencing both parents during the WAWAWA scene of Melancholy IV. Not sure if that counts, though. :heh:
Was it "parents" or "mom and dad"? He says "my parents are still alive" in Vol. 1 as well. (Proving that even if his dad is always away, he's still living.)
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-12-11, 16:52
"Mom, Dad. If you saw how Nagato and me are positioned in the frame, I know you'd think we were getting it on right now."
But again, I'm not entirely certain this actually counts. :heh:
dragon4dudes
2009-12-13, 01:24
The point is that Kyon's mom and dad are referenced many times, novel or anime. However, they have never been seen or heard from.
Who do you guys think is the inventor of time travel? Haruhi Suzumiya or Hayase-kun (The Bespectacled Kid who met Kyon and Mikuru)?
Who do you guys think is the inventor of time travel? Haruhi Suzumiya or Hayase-kun (The Bespectacled Kid who met Kyon and Mikuru)?
You should put spoilers on that question, you know.
More likely the latter, based on random theorys of the former
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-13, 05:24
The point is that Kyon's mom and dad are referenced many times, novel or anime. However, they have never been seen or heard from.
Mom shows up once, in Endless Eight. Not, however, in the anime.
dragon4dudes
2009-12-13, 17:15
Oh yeah... It has been a since I last reread the novels...
Also, @bhl88, Wasn't that the whole reason the Bespectacled Kid was targeted in whichever novel?
AmyElizzabeth
2009-12-13, 17:42
Also, @bhl88, Wasn't that the whole reason the Bespectacled Kid was targeted in whichever novel?
But I heard somewhere that he stole the blueprints from Haruhi
But I heard somewhere that he stole the blueprints from Haruhi
"Blueprint" is not the word. Apparently Haruhi made up the basic theory herself, but that is it. One thing is the theory, other is how to use it
AmyElizzabeth
2009-12-13, 17:53
How did that boy even know Haruhi?!
How did that boy even know Haruhi?!Haruhi helps him with his homework, if I recall correctly.
wassupimviet
2009-12-13, 22:33
"You know, there's a smart and honest kid living near my house. He wears spectacles that resembles a professor and looks really smart in them. His name is..."
Haruhi mentioned a name that I was sure I had heard just recently. My back suddenly started to sweat, but that wasn't because of the heat.
Asahina-san froze on the spot.
"Soooooooooooooooooooometimes, I go over to help him with his homework. Which is why I went to his house yesterday. But that's when he said: The bunny girl's together with a guy."
And that's about the only background we get.
Just out of curiosity, I am looking for the dvd sales of 'Endless Eight'.
Any site that will tell me this?
commando
2009-12-19, 01:08
hi everyone, I have a question
I just started reading the novel in English translation. On this website: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi
in Volume 1, chapter 7. Kyon and Nagato were having a conversation on the computer. Natago said "see you again at the library". And later on in the Epilogue they had this conversation.
"Can you tell me if there are many others like you on this planet?"
"A lot."
"Does that mean there'll be those who might attack me like Asakura did?"
Nagato now lifted her head and looked at me.
"I won't let them."
I decided not to mention the library to her.
"library"? What's the meaning here? I don't get it. What happened at the library? And why did Nagato say "see you again at the library"? I'm confused.
thanks
wassupimviet
2009-12-19, 01:38
Well, it may not seem like anything special, but you have to remember that Yuki is a humanoid interface who is unused to most "normal" human activities. The library, meaning the one Kyon and Yuki visited during that first meeting, where Kyon filled out the forms for a card for her to check out a book, had a profound effect on her. She's expressing her wish that she wants to go back to that library during the conversation on the computer, which is Yuki becoming more "human."
hi everyone, I have a question
I just started reading the novel in English translation. On this website: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi
in Volume 1, chapter 7. Kyon and Nagato were having a conversation on the computer. Natago said "see you again at the library". And later on in the Epilogue they had this conversation.
"Can you tell me if there are many others like you on this planet?"
"A lot."
"Does that mean there'll be those who might attack me like Asakura did?"
Nagato now lifted her head and looked at me.
"I won't let them."
I decided not to mention the library to her.
"library"? What's the meaning here? I don't get it. What happened at the library? And why did Nagato say "see you again at the library"? I'm confused.
thanks
If it helps, this is what the Yen Press translation says for that part of the epilogue:
For once, Nagato raised her head and looked into my eyes. "I won't let them."
I decided not to mention what I had thought of her at the library.
The library is an important place for Kyon and Nagato, but for slightly different reasons. I'm not really sure if I understand the nuances well enough to explain it properly, but basically in the narration, Kyon is complaining about Nagato being taciturn and boring (interested mainly in really thick books by authors with complicated names) and difficult to deal with (he has to drag her away from the shelf, and then he has to show her how to borrow the book, and meanwhile it's getting later and Haruhi is waiting for them...), but Nagato is really happy about it, or at least as happy as she can be at this point. And it's one of the few times that Kyon does something for Nagato, rather than the other way around, which I think adds another layer of specialness to it for her, beyond the fact that it's a place filled with data.
So in that exchange, Nagato is saying that Kyon & co are important to her, and Kyon feels guilty for (regrets?) his less-than-charitable thoughts about her that afternoon.
(Oh, and also what wassupimviet said regarding the message on the computer. I got stuck on explaining the epilogue bit and forgot about the other part of the question.)
i have a question about mysterique sign...
the computer club's president is... is he a freshman? because in the subs, haruhi said something like "He's hiding away with two-month late freshman blues." so... is he a freshman? I kinda doubt it coz i know freshmen aren't allowed to be club presidents.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-12-20, 05:35
Second year...
Second year...
umm.. does that mean he's second year? or only second years above can be president? And does that mean the subs were wrong?
and... another question. how old is kyon's sister? seven?
Kaisos Erranon
2009-12-20, 08:55
umm.. does that mean he's second year? or only second years above can be president? And does that mean the subs were wrong?
and... another question. how old is kyon's sister? seven?
Kyon's Sister is at least ten, given that she's in fifth grade.
Also, the President is a second-year, yeah. Subs are probably off.
umm.. does that mean he's second year? or only second years above can be president? And does that mean the subs were wrong?
and... another question. how old is kyon's sister? seven?
The other time I've seen/heard reference to that kind of blues, it was called "May sickness" or something like that. Possibly in a Zetsubou Sensei chapter/episode? But I was under the impression that it could apply to everyone and generally settled in shortly after Golden Week. I assumed that was what was meant by "freshman blues".
Unless my memory is completely off (and it very well could be :rolleyes:) Kyon's sister has her birthday sometime in the winter - she's ten in the first few novels, but gets upgraded to eleven in the latest ones. Or else that's just part of the switch from "three years ago" to "four years ago", I dunno.
What happened to the second season?
Did it stop at episode 15 or is it stalled?
wassupimviet
2009-12-31, 02:39
Well, first off, it wasn't really a second season per se. Officially, we'll just call it the 2009 Re-Launch of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Quite the mouthful, though.
Secondly, yeah, it's over with. After Sighs Part 5, they continued broadcasting the rest of the re-launch, those being the old 2006 episodes. There is the Disappearance movie to look forward to, though, so keep your eyes peeled for news on that.
Well, first off, it wasn't really a second season per se. Officially, we'll just call it the 2009 Re-Launch of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Quite the mouthful, though.
Secondly, yeah, it's over with. After Sighs Part 5, they continued broadcasting the rest of the re-launch, those being the old 2006 episodes. There is the Disappearance movie to look forward to, though, so keep your eyes peeled for news on that.
Oh, alright. Thanks! So basically 2009 Re-Launch of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is TMoHS rearranged in chronological order?
wassupimviet
2009-12-31, 22:30
Right, with the new episodes inserted in at the appropriate points.
when's haruhi's birthday? i mean, the novels take about two year right? they must have celebrated the brigade members' (plural) birthdays some time or another.
ultimatemegax
2010-01-08, 10:25
when's haruhi's birthday? i mean, the novels take about two year right? they must have celebrated the brigade members' (plural) birthdays some time or another.
The only thing that is confirmed about birthdays that I remember off hand is that July 7th is not Haruhi's, Mikuru's, or Kyon's birthday. Surprisingly, nothing has been said in any of the 9 novels (that cover April of 1st year to April of 2nd year) about the birthdays other than that segment in the beginning of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to my recollection.
dragon4dudes
2010-01-08, 18:42
And not Yuki's and Itsuki's birthdays I believe. I could be wayyyyyy off though.
The only thing that is confirmed about birthdays that I remember off hand is that July 7th is not Haruhi's, Mikuru's, or Kyon's birthday. Surprisingly, nothing has been said in any of the 9 novels (that cover April of 1st year to April of 2nd year) about the birthdays other than that segment in the beginning of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to my recollection.
For some reason, though, I'm under the impression that Kyon's sister has her 11th birthday sometime between the beginning of Disappearance and the beginning of Intrigues. But I don't know if that's related to the shift from "three years ago" to "four years ago" or not. :/ And it's not like her birthday is particularly important or anything.
ultimatemegax
2010-01-08, 19:21
And not Yuki's and Itsuki's birthdays I believe. I could be wayyyyyy off though.
You're close. Haruhi does say "How would I know when their birthdays are?" for those two. That wouldn't be enough evidence either way to say if it is or not. I would think that if it were one of their birthdays, it may be added into the story. Likely July 7th is none of the SOS Brigade members' birthdays, though Yuki and Koizumi may indeed have it on that day.
For some reason, though, I'm under the impression that Kyon's sister has her 11th birthday sometime between the beginning of Disappearance and the beginning of Intrigues. But I don't know if that's related to the shift from "three years ago" to "four years ago" or not. :/ And it's not like her birthday is particularly important or anything.
I just re-read the three stories between that and the only comment I could find on her age was that she was 11 at the beginning of Charmed at First Sight LOVER. I do remember reading "almost-twelve" sometime in the novels, but a quick search of the novels didn't show up anything.
dragon4dudes
2010-01-08, 22:38
Actually, would Yuki have a "birthday"? Yeah, she needs one to enter school or something but would her birthday be the same day that 3ya thing occurred or would it be considered as the day she put into the database, assuming it is not the same day as the 3ya thing?
That may have been one of the most convoluted things I have ever written.
typhonsentra
2010-01-09, 00:26
I always found it interesting that Kyon never shares with us the stories of all their birthdays. Perhaps they just don't tell each other and they never bother but that seems odd considering how much time they all spend together and the fact that they celebrate holidays together all the time. Maybe it's different in Japan, and school friends aren't expected to give gifts or throw a party?
I always found it interesting that Kyon never shares with us the stories of all their birthdays. Perhaps they just don't tell each other and they never bother but that seems odd considering how much time they all spend together and the fact that they celebrate holidays together all the time. Maybe it's different in Japan, and school friends aren't expected to give gifts or throw a party?
Maybe their birthdays are all in April and May, before the SOS Brigade was founded, but after the start of the school year? That would explain why we haven't heard a peep, since volume 9 doesn't entirely overlap those months yet.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-01-18, 01:05
Or maybe Haruhi doesn't believe in Birthdays :o
No I'm totally kidding.
Do we even know their ages? Isn't Yuki technically, like, 4?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-01-18, 01:15
That largely depends on if you count the roughly 600 years of summer she experienced.
Or maybe Haruhi doesn't believe in Birthdays :o
No I'm totally kidding.
Do we even know their ages? Isn't Yuki technically, like, 4?
Haruhi, Kyon and Itsuki are probably 15 or 16 years old. Yuki is, indeed, 3(first novel)/4(9th novel) years old. Mikuru's is unknow. It is unlikely she is much older then that, seeing she will still grow up more, but we dan't know if the physiology of people from future is different.
Yuki's birthday is probably the same day, or a few days after, the day Haruhi created data. This was probably the day she went to that baseball game, but we can't be sure.
PP:
That largely depends on if you count the roughly 600 years of summer she experienced.
Also, technically, everyworld may be also 600+ years old. :heh:
Speaking on that, it probably don't make much difference, but was the Endless Eight a time loop or a memory loop? I mean, can Haruhi travel in time? Or she just bended the world to look like it was a time loop?
dragon4dudes
2010-01-18, 16:08
Well even more technically, someone born before the E8 fiasco would be 600+ older than someone born during E8 because they technically stopped existing. or something. I lost my train of thought.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-01-18, 16:25
Also, technically, everyworld may be also 600+ years old. :heh:
The difference being that Nagato(and presumably any other Interface) actually remembers every single one of those loops. At most, there's a sense of deja vu for anyone else.
Speaking on that, it probably don't make much difference, but was the Endless Eight a time loop or a memory loop? I mean, can Haruhi travel in time? Or she just bended the world to look like it was a time loop?
Mikuru couldn't leave the 15-day period. Unless Haruhi knows she's a time traveler and prevented her from doing so, that's more than enough evidence that it was an actual time loop.
The difference being that Nagato(and presumably any other Interface) actually remembers every single one of those loops. At most, there's a sense of deja vu for anyone else.
Actually, I am pretty sure only the ones close to Haruhi felt it. Actually, just Itsuki and Kyon. Even Mikuru seemed clueless until trying to contact her superiors and never mentioned the deja vu.
Mikuru couldn't leave the 15-day period. Unless Haruhi knows she's a time traveler and prevented her from doing so, that's more than enough evidence that it was an actual time loop.
Eh, I don't see the relation. First of all, Haruhi don't need to know anything to make it happen. You could also say Haruhi just isoled that 15-days from time, thus impeding Mikuru to go away, or even contact her future. Actually, I think it is the most probable explanation, if it was a time loop, Mikuru should be able to get away, even if by going to the past (I don't know if she tryed that, tough).
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-01-18, 16:59
If Haruhi knew Mikuru was a time traveler, she could easily prevent her from leaving or contacting the future she's from. Since she doesn't, the fact that Mikuru is cut off from the point in time she's from is evidence that they really are removed from history.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-01-18, 17:16
Actually, I am pretty sure only the ones close to Haruhi felt it. Actually, just Itsuki and Kyon. Even Mikuru seemed clueless until trying to contact her superiors and never mentioned the deja vu.
So then maybe Mikuru and Haruhi probably aren't that close.
But I'm not close to Haruhi and I got deja vu :P
Seitsuki
2010-01-20, 04:29
Didn't we all. I have to admit I sometimes felt it was just a bit overdone (4-5 episodes woulda been fine, but EIGHT..) still, our faith is greater than that right?
angelicxx
2010-01-20, 21:21
Okay guys, I just started watching the second season. I watched the first one and was incredibly pleased. My background is I am a romantic fanatic, so the final kiss at the end of haruhi was awesome, because I really liked the Kyon x Haruhi match-up.
I just started watching S2, as mentioned, and have come across that the old ones are mixed in with the new ones. Totally fine, but to make sure I was watching them in the order that animators wanted me to watch it, I looked up an episode list. I stumbled across that the last episode of the entire second season is the episode where he goes and gets a heater and it ends with haruhi doing the playful smile thing.
I am sure this is an awesome ending but, again being a romance fan, this makes me upset because I wanted to see more relationship since they were adding all of this content.
Is there really no improvement or any sort of special moment that is in the S2 that wasn't in the S1? Even something like a simple date episode or a hug or something would probably suffice. Right now I am in the Eights part of the series, is there light after the tunnel? these repeat episodes are truly testing my faith and I just want to know that there is a reward :)
Thanks for your time.
ultimatemegax
2010-01-20, 22:00
Okay guys, I just started watching the second season. I watched the first one and was incredibly pleased. My background is I am a romantic fanatic, so the final kiss at the end of haruhi was awesome, because I really liked the Kyon x Haruhi match-up.
I just started watching S2, as mentioned, and have come across that the old ones are mixed in with the new ones. Totally fine, but to make sure I was watching them in the order that animators wanted me to watch it, I looked up an episode list. I stumbled across that the last episode of the entire second season is the episode where he goes and gets a heater and it ends with haruhi doing the playful smile thing.
I am sure this is an awesome ending but, again being a romance fan, this makes me upset because I wanted to see more relationship since they were adding all of this content.
Is there really no improvement or any sort of special moment that is in the S2 that wasn't in the S1? Even something like a simple date episode or a hug or something would probably suffice. Right now I am in the Eights part of the series, is there light after the tunnel? these repeat episodes are truly testing my faith and I just want to know that there is a reward :)
Thanks for your time.
Actually, you are not watching a "season 2" of Haruhi. In fact, there is no such thing as a season 2. You're watching the new episodes that were added to fill in the chronological gaps that the 2006 airing missed during their run. "Someday in the Rain" was the last episode chronologically from the original airing and stayed as the final episode in the 2009 "re-airing" of Haruhi since that was to air the series in proper chronological order.
Likely when Kadokawa decided to release the fourth novel "The Vanishment of Haruhi Suzumiya" (also named Disappearance) as a movie, they had to fill in those gaps that the 2006 episodes missed: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight, and The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya. At most, they could make 9 new episodes from these stories naturally. (1 for BLR, 1-2 for E8, and 5-6 for Sigh) Unfortunately, only airing 9 episodes for a season wouldn't work, and 9 episodes only released on DVD would confuse the viewers that didn't get the original DVDs in 2006-2007. The solution was to make a new 28 episode re-airing and add in the new episodes where they belonged. The one arc that Kadokawa could extend was Endless Eight to 8 episodes (or get 5-6 new works from the original author like "Someday in the Rain", but that was VERY unlikely).
Sigh works as a "redemption" of Haruhi near the end, especially if you go back and watch "Live A Live" afterwards (which takes place on the same day as Sigh V). As for your question about romantic moments, I'd say there's a good scene in Sigh VI that may delight you, plus the final epilogue of Sigh V mirrors the end of Melancholy VI (the kiss episode) and that should delight you as well.
Sorry for the long post, I've been working up a rant at all the "season 2" statements and needed to get out what I believe happened at Kadokawa.
angelicxx
2010-01-20, 22:07
Actually, you are not watching a "season 2" of Haruhi. In fact, there is no such thing as a season 2. You're watching the new episodes that were added to fill in the chronological gaps that the 2006 airing missed during their run. "Someday in the Rain" was the last episode chronologically from the original airing and stayed as the final episode in the 2009 "re-airing" of Haruhi since that was to air the series in proper chronological order.
Likely when Kadokawa decided to release the fourth novel "The Vanishment of Haruhi Suzumiya" (also named Disappearance) as a movie, they had to fill in those gaps that the 2006 episodes missed: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight, and The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya. At most, they could make 9 new episodes from these stories naturally. (1 for BLR, 1-2 for E8, and 5-6 for Sigh) Unfortunately, only airing 9 episodes for a season wouldn't work, and 9 episodes only released on DVD would confuse the viewers that didn't get the original DVDs in 2006-2007. The solution was to make a new 28 episode re-airing and add in the new episodes where they belonged. The one arc that Kadokawa could extend was Endless Eight to 8 episodes (or get 5-6 new works from the original author like "Someday in the Rain", but that was VERY unlikely).
Sigh works as a "redemption" of Haruhi near the end, especially if you go back and watch "Live A Live" afterwards (which takes place on the same day as Sigh V). As for your question about romantic moments, I'd say there's a good scene in Sigh VI that may delight you, plus the final epilogue of Sigh V mirrors the end of Melancholy VI (the kiss episode) and that should delight you as well.
Sorry for the long post, I've been working up a rant at all the "season 2" statements and needed to get out what I believe happened at Kadokawa.
Thank you for the reply. I have read it all and have decided to keep watching. Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding that I had, I was not familiar with the thinking behind hosting the Second season, or more the Re-Airing of "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya". I will look forward towards the Sigh Episode(s), and keep watching.
A question, do the novels offer anything more romance wise? I assume that the novels have more content and probably go further time-plot-relationship wise than the anime.
Kaisos Erranon
2010-01-20, 22:08
A question, do the novels offer anything more romance wise? I assume that the novels have more content and probably go further time-plot-relationship wise than the anime.
Not really. :heh: Sorry to disappoint you.
ultimatemegax
2010-01-20, 22:14
Thank you for the reply. I have read it all and have decided to keep watching. Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding that I had, I was not familiar with the thinking behind hosting the Second season, or more the Re-Airing of "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya". I will look forward towards the Sigh Episode(s), and keep watching.
A question, do the novels offer anything more romance wise? I assume that the novels have more content and probably go further time-plot-relationship wise than the anime.
There are some scenes in some stories that hint at a possible relationship, but nothing is outright said. Things do get a bit complicated when an old female friend is introduced to the SOS Brigade in novel 9, but that one ends on a cliffhanger and the corresponding book has not been published. That novel begins the second year of high school for Kyon, Haruhi, Yuki, and Koizumi. I don't believe it's stated that Mikuru was at the school for the year before the others, just that she's a second year student, so I can't assume it'll be her third year. The novel timeframe really focuses along the November-February time period with a bunch of stories taking place during that time (Sigh-Intrigues (7th novel)).
mammothb
2010-01-22, 11:25
romance wise, nothing explicit. so don't expect to see any lovey dovey scenes. but like the anime, there are some scenes that will hint to you possible romantic relationships.
And they become somewhat more frequent as the series goes on. You could also say there is at last a 'romantic hint' scene by book. Nothing as strong as the the kiss, tough.
Solachinx
2010-01-22, 23:27
And they become somewhat more frequent as the series goes on. You could also say there is at last a 'romantic hint' scene by book. Nothing as strong as the the kiss, tough.
Haruhi's actions in the last chapter of Disappearance is a pretty good contender.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-01-23, 00:33
Haruhi's actions in the last chapter of Disappearance is a pretty good contender.
It's what made me consider her a tsundere, that chapter did...
The novels have like, hardly any romance (not a romance story. damn) but like everyone has said there be hints of it.
That's why so much of the fanfiction is romance.
Including mine.
(shameless plug for new chapter)
AmyElizzabeth
2010-01-23, 00:46
That's why so much of the fanfiction is romance.
Including mine.
(shameless plug for new chapter)
Also, everywhere you look there's romance...
btw Imma give you a :cool: fer romance fanfic.
Wahaa~I has question!
I've always wondered...
Why didn't Alt!Haruhi mess around with her hair...and for that matter, why did Kyon remember the pattern? Kinda creepy..:heh:
Alt!Haruhi gave up on aliens etc etc. That's why she didn't constantly change her hairstyle.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-01-23, 00:51
Alt!Haruhi gave up on aliens etc etc. That's why she didn't constantly change her hairstyle.
She gave up? I totally don't remember that...well, It was like last March since I read it..
She didn't meet John Smith.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-01-23, 01:28
She didn't meet John Smith.
Actually she did, she met him twice, even. Hence the visit BLR Haruhi gets during Disappearance. She just didn't meet Kyon.
Besides, if we're really to assume that the story takes place in 2010 like everyone wants to believe so badly, then December 20th is a Monday, and thus she actually does have the proper hairstyle for the day(IE: A yellow hair accessory and no tie-offs). Of course, this means that North High had classes over the weekend, which is something Kyon never bothered to point out. :heh:
edkedkedk
2010-01-23, 05:42
Alt!Haruhi gave up on aliens etc etc. That's why she didn't constantly change her hairstyle.
Actually she did, she met him twice, even. Hence the visit BLR Haruhi gets during Disappearance. She just didn't meet Kyon.
Besides, if we're really to assume that the story takes place in 2010 like everyone wants to believe so badly, then December 20th is a Monday, and thus she actually does have the proper hairstyle for the day(IE: A yellow hair accessory and no tie-offs). Of course, this means that North High had classes over the weekend, which is something Kyon never bothered to point out. :heh:
She never gave up on aliens and such, just that in the alt!Universe, she had more common sense to figure out John Smith won't be in school when she enters it (or so she thinks). In fact she takes more initiative in infiltrating North High to find him than in the 'Real' Universe, but as usual, got bored and gave up. Maybe she just tried to fit in like a normal person in the alt!Universe. I don't think she did anything weird in her new school... Right?
I believe Haruhi just eventually gave up changing her hair style every day. We never really know why she did that in the first place.
Actually, I have heard a theory that Haruhi was doing that to see if 'John' notices her. Taht would be why he cut her hair in the same hair cut she was wearing 3 years ago to see if Kyon reconised her, somehow. (Even if he didn't, he was still the only one who was able to follow a similar logic to her. That would be why alt!Haruhi didn't change her hair, she don't hae any reason since she was not in the North High anyway.
Anyway, all we can do is speculate. Nothing was said in te novel since Kyon failed asking (well, he had more important things to worry about). Therefore, to continue that discussion we should go to another thread,
Magnificate
2010-01-25, 02:44
Why is it called "Brigade"? It should be "Spreading Excitement All Over the World with Suzumiya Haruhi Association", but since [...] "If that's the case, then let's call it a brigade!" And so the club name was now gloriously born.
What was the word used in place of "Association" in Japanese version?
Magnificate
2010-02-11, 18:03
"No dating within the Brigade" rule. Fanon or explicitly stated in canon? I can't recall.
Kyon's father. Was he ever mentioned?
darksassin
2010-02-11, 19:27
One question. Why did the entire class of 1-9 disappear completely in The Disappearance? Does that mean 1-9 didnt exist in the past or its full of supernatural person, ie. maybe the organisation or Yuki faction?
ultimatemegax
2010-02-11, 19:37
"No dating within the Brigade" rule. Fanon or explicitly stated in canon? I can't recall.
In novel 6, Haruhi states the following "I must be blind as a bat! I can't believe I've actually recruited someone so dumb as to write such a stupid love letter into my brigade! Now that pisses me off! You're to resign immediately! Man, I feel so terrible, it's like sticking a bare foot into a shoe full of cockroaches!"
While it doesn't specifically say no dating within the bridage, it does seem to be that way considering the devotion that was in said letter.
One question. Why did the entire class of 1-9 disappear completely in The Disappearance? Does that mean 1-9 didnt exist in the past or its full of supernatural person, ie. maybe the organisation or Yuki faction?
Since the movie is not available to the rest of the world, I'm still placing this in spoilers to be o the safe side
Class 1-9 is the "advanced" class that is further along academically and since Kouyouen has the highest acceptance rate into Universities in that area, it would be highly probable that they would choose to attend there instead of North High since the school is now co-ed. Kyon states in novel 8's story "Wandering Shadow" that "Class 1-9 was a class for those interested in the Science and Mathematics Field, so it was naturally comprised of sharp-witted know-it-alls who did nothing but study." As for how the school suddenly shrunk the exact size of a classroom, that would be Yuki's doing.
edkedkedk
2010-02-12, 12:01
In novel 6, Haruhi states the following "I must be blind as a bat! I can't believe I've actually recruited someone so dumb as to write such a stupid love letter into my brigade! Now that pisses me off! You're to resign immediately! Man, I feel so terrible, it's like sticking a bare foot into a shoe full of cockroaches!"
While it doesn't specifically say no dating within the bridage, it does seem to be that way considering the devotion that was in said letter.
Or maybe it was just because she couldn't accept the idea of Kyon writing Yuki a love letter and not her :p
AmyElizzabeth
2010-02-12, 17:04
Or maybe it was just because she couldn't accept the idea of Kyon writing Yuki a love letter and not her :p
I don't know if you're joking or not, but that's actually what I thought...
Aaannnnnddddd I has question.
Were any of Haruhi and Kyon's classmates names ever mentioned? Besides Taniguchi, Kunikida and Sakanaka.
Magnificate
2010-02-12, 19:17
Aaannnnnddddd I has question.
Were any of Haruhi and Kyon's classmates names ever mentioned? Besides Taniguchi, Kunikida and Sakanaka.
Yes. Asakura. ;) Aside from that:
I snatched away the notebook that Kunikida took out. I first opened the page of Class 1-5 of the First year, and ran my finger against the list of girl names.
Saeki, Sakanaka, Suzuki, Seno...
Not a single name was between Suzuki and Seno.
My previous questions still stand:
1.Kyon's father. Was he ever mentioned?
2.Why is it called "Brigade"? It should be "Spreading Excitement All Over the World with Suzumiya Haruhi Association", but since [...] "If that's the case, then let's call it a brigade!" And so the club name was now gloriously born.
What was the word used in place of "Association" in Japanese version?
ultimatemegax
2010-02-12, 19:39
My previous questions still stand:
1.Kyon's father. Was he ever mentioned?
2.
What was the word used in place of "Association" in Japanese version?
Actually, in the first fanbook, there is a picture of all the members in 1-5. I cannot for the life of me find the translated version, but it is out there.
In novel 9, Kyon mentions the reason why his father gave him his name, but here is the exact quote:
"Can you tell me the reason for having such a royal and imposing name?"
And so I told her the reason, which my father told me when I asked him when I was still young, verbatim.
"Great."
Since I do not have a copy of the Japanese books, I cannot answer your second question. I can only offer my sincerest apologies.
CrowKenobi
2010-02-12, 22:02
Actually, in the first fanbook, there is a picture of all the members in 1-5. I cannot for the life of me find the translated version, but it is out there. Well, I'm sure it's in this forum somewhere... ;)
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9881/translation.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/translation.jpg/) :p
ultimatemegax
2010-02-12, 22:14
Well, I'm sure it's in this forum somewhere... ;)
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9881/translation.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/translation.jpg/) :p
Thank you very much for posting that. I spent about half an hour one day looking for that and twenty minutes tonight with no success. I'd been meaning to post a comparison in the general character thread with names and faces from the spoiler video.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-02-15, 20:32
I've been trying to analyze Haruhi's name for the hell of it, but I'm having trouble with her last name.
I'm under the impression that 'Suzu' means 'small bell', but I'm not too sure on what 'Miya' means.
Anyone know?
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-02-15, 20:36
涼(suzu) = refreshing, nice and cool
宮(miya) = Shinto shrine, constellations, palace, princess
Haruhi is written out in kana, so it's hard to say what it's supposed to mean, if anything.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-02-15, 20:39
涼(suzu) = refreshing, nice and cool
宮(miya) = Shinto shrine, constellations, palace, princess
Haruhi is written out in kana, so it's hard to say what it's supposed to mean, if anything.
All I know is Haru means spring :heh:
I kinda fail.
mammothb
2010-02-15, 20:46
well the chinese translation did this to the katakana.
春 haru
日 hi
ultimatemegax
2010-02-15, 20:50
I've been trying to analyze Haruhi's name for the hell of it, but I'm having trouble with her last name.
I'm under the impression that 'Suzu' means 'small bell', but I'm not too sure on what 'Miya' means.
Anyone know?
涼(suzu) = refreshing, nice and cool
宮(miya) = Shinto shrine, constellations, palace, princess
Haruhi is written out in kana, so it's hard to say what it's supposed to mean, if anything.
There's a few combination that fit the words in kana though. Amy is right that 春 (haru) is springtime, but the same kana form はる, which Rikaichan gives as "to stretch or strain." Also ル gives a meaning of exile with a kanji character I cannot find currenty. The kana は can be used to contrast, which fits that Haruhi is different that most people. Finally ヒ could be sunshine or day. The person above me used the kanji for spring and day, so it could refer to the time where she and Kyon met. Then again, maybe it's not meant to mean anything like you said.
AmyElizzabeth
2010-02-15, 20:56
There's a few combination that fit the words in kana though. Amy is right that 春 (haru) is springtime, but the same kana form はる, which Rikaichan gives as "to stretch or strain." Also ル gives a meaning of exile with a kanji character I cannot find currenty. The kana は can be used to contrast, which fits that Haruhi is different that most people. Finally ヒ could be sunshine or day. The person above me used the kanji for spring and day, so it could refer to the time where she and Kyon met. Then again, maybe it's not meant to mean anything like you said.
Hm...You're good :o
Thanks.
I just noticed the names of the brigade members could perhaps have a meaning?
Itsuki - Sounds a bit like "moon"?
Asahina - Something with "morning" or "sunshine"?
Because their respective organizations don't "like" each others opinion of what Haruhi "is"...
Am I totaly wrong here? Sorry if that's the case, 'cause I don't understand japanese.... just a few words and no kanji at all....
Kogetsu Shirogane
2010-02-16, 11:02
Itsuki is written as itsu-ki. The similarity to the word for moon is a coincidence. :heh:
Iaevuous
2010-02-16, 19:41
I just noticed the names of the brigade members could perhaps have a meaning?
Itsuki - Sounds a bit like "moon"?
Asahina - Something with "morning" or "sunshine"?
I don't know about any meanings in "Itsuki Koizumi", but I'm told that "Mikuru" may be derived from an alternate reading of the kanji in mirai (未來, future).
"Asahina" does contain the kanji for "morning".
I think it's Miku not Mirai
AmyElizzabeth
2010-02-21, 16:42
Question...
In the manga, Alt!Haruhi's skirt was, like, red checked or something...
But in fanarts and the movie, It's just black (which I like more)
Why is this?
Just diffrent styles?
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