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xris
2006-04-13, 07:42
This thread is for those with questions about the Suzumiya Haruhi (also known as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) anime, novel and manga. Please keep discussion about episodes in the relevant threads, the purpose of this thread is to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime, novel or manga.

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athos
2006-04-13, 09:23
How do you define "Haruhiism"?

cheesie
2006-04-13, 10:42
Prolly Haruhi-ism?

sophismata
2006-04-13, 10:56
Hmmm.... Haruhiism...

Haruhiism is an inexplicable (for non-Haruhiists) devotion to one of the following enitites:

1) Suzumiya Haruhi
2) Kyon
3) Any other member of the SOS団
4) The SOS団 itself
5) Derivative works of the SOS団, or involving the SOS団.

This includes, but is not limited to, the serialised novels that detail the SOS団, including the anime and manga derivatives of those novels. It also includes the members of SOS団 themselves, and to a lesser degree those members' friends.

Typically, Haruhiists (those who practice Haruhiism) experience a strong desire to understand, to share or to observe details involving the above entities. Typical Haruhiist activity includes speculation and discussion of the SOS団 and its derivates, its members and their peers. Examples include, but are not limited to, the posting of such speculative material, the discussion of the most recent SOS団 activities, and the desire to capture as many images of the SOS団 as possible, displaying them in a hypnotic jumble that, while frightening to the outside observer, creates a feeling of peace and/or devotion in a Haruhiist.

The requirements of Haruhiism are not stringent; all that is needed is a belief in the SOS団 or one of its derivates, and membership is self-declared and @A*(';72KJ entirely voluntary. Members are, technically, free to leave at any time; however, this is a very rare occurence. It has been said that noone can truly cease to be a Haruhiist. Further speculation points to a theory stating that everyone is, in fact, a Haruhiist; they just have not come to realise it.

This is often cited as the reason for the strong bonding between Haruhiists and the rapid exansion of the religion as a whole.

Hurhism is not officially recognised as a religion by any major country, and does not receive tax benefits. However, that does not prevent its practitioner's desire to share or eagerness to receive Haruhi-related goodness.

There... I'll work on this a bit more later, most likely. I almost think we need a wiki...

panzerfan
2006-04-13, 13:19
(problem is if the novel readers get involved, the anime watchers will get totally spoiled since there'll more alot more revelations in later parts of the story that can affect the sect's understanding drastically.)

NeoSam
2006-04-13, 15:11
涼宮ハルヒ

Suzumiya Haruhi is originally a novel thats serialized in the seinen(young men's) novel magazine The Sneaker (the same magazine that serialized the seinen novel Trinity Blood).
For now there are 8 volumes released of this novel, here are the covers:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7919/novelvol11dp.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1618/novelvol26th.jpg http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/613/novelvol33wh.jpg http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1621/novelvol48hk.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1875/novelvol53te.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3162/novelvol64yl.jpg http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2693/novelvol79yc.jpg http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3996/vol86gk.jpg

Author: Nagaru Tanigawa

The illustrator of the novel is Itou Noiji (the same illustrator of the seinen novel Shakugan no SHANA)

A manga based on the novel is serialized in the shounen manga magazine Shounen Ace.
For now there is 1 volume released of this manga, here are the covers:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/205/mangavol12mw.jpg

This manga has ended with one volume, read why on this page:
Suzumiya Haruhi anime thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413).

Genre: Seinen, Comedy.

Volume 8 of the seinen novel will be released om 1/5/2006 (May 1st, 2006) --> cover of volume 8 got added above with the other covers of the novel.
A new Suzumiya Haruhi manga is currently serializing in Shounen Ace magazine and the first volume of it will be released on 26/4/2006.
For now there are 2 volumes released of this new manga.
Here are the covers:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1640/suzumiyaharuhimangavol18wg.jpg http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8106/suzumiyavol29ai.jpg

An anime based on the novel started recently, site of the anime:
http://www.haruhi.tv/
http://lantis-net.com/haruhi/

And also the Suzumiya Haruhi anime thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413).

Pakxenon
2006-04-13, 18:48
There's no wiki at wikipedia... yet.

sophimasta: Check your spelling, and it's Haruhiism/Haruhi-ism. (One for the name, the other for the suffix.)

Vexx
2006-04-13, 19:08
I thought "haruhi-ism" was just wanting Suzumiya to pull your tie :) :) :)

Sushi-Y
2006-04-13, 21:38
DVD release info (Japanese) (Source: Animate (https://www.animate-shop.jp/webshop70/commodity_param/ctc/dvd/shc/0/cmc/4042142) + Neowing (http://www.neowing.co.jp/anime/essentials/haruhi/index.html))
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4618/main5al.gif
DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu - Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode00 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/06/23 - ¥4,600 - 2 Disks
- Cover Jacket Illustration by Itou Noizi (original novel illustrator, original character designer) (planned)
- Special Digipac Case (similar to the limited edition AIR TV DVD cases: in other words, silly fancy)
- Soundtrack & Radio Program "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu SOS-dan Radio Branch (http://lantis-net.com/haruhi/)" Project Corner CD (planned)
- Special Booklet (8 pages) (planned)
- Special Video Presentation: Suzumiya Haruhi = Hirano Aya's the-makings-of clip (planned)
- Suzumiya Haruhi's free talk (commentary) part 1 (planned)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu - Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode00 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/06/23 - ¥3,600 - 1 Disk
- Cover Jacket Illustration by Ikeda Akiko (anime character designer) (planned)
- Special Booklet (8 pages) (planned)
- Special Video Presentation: Suzumiya Haruhi = Hirano Aya's the-makings-of clip (planned)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 1 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/07/28 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
- Cover Jacket Illustration by Itou Noizi (original novel illustrator, original character designer) (planned)
- Special Digipac Case
- CD (planned)
- Special Booket (planned)
- Special Video Contents (planned)
- Special Audio Contents (planned)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 1 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/07/28 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
- Cover Jacket Illustration by Ikeda Akiko (anime character designer) (planned)
- Special Booklet (planned)
- Special Video Contents (planned)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 2 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/08/25 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 2 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/08/25 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 3 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/09/22 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 3 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/09/22 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 4 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/10/27 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 4 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/10/27 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 5 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/11/22 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 5 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/11/22 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 6 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2006/12/22 - ¥6,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 6 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2006/12/22 - ¥5,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 7 Limited Edition - Release Date: 2007/01/26 - ¥4,600 - 2 Disks
(Similar contents as the limited edition above)

DVD TV Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 7 Normal Edition - Release Date: 2007/01/26 - ¥3,600 - 1 Disk
(Similar contents as the normal edition above)

Overall:
DVD 0 (episode 00(episode 1)) + 1-6 (episode 2~13) + 7 (episode 14)

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Right now, if you purchase from Amazon.co.jp, you can receive a 22% discount, so it's highly recommended:
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu - Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000F9RBE4/qid=1144981680/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 1 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0NK/qid=1144981680/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2_2/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 2 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0O4/qid=1144981680/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_2_3/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 3 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0OO/qid=1144981680/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_2_4/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 4 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0P8/qid=1144981680/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_2_5/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 5 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0PS/qid=1144981680/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_2_6/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 6 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0QC/qid=1144981680/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_2_7/250-7190859-1926603)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu 7 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FBG0QW/qid=1144981680/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_2_8/250-7190859-1926603)

sophismata
2006-04-13, 22:42
sophimasta: Check your spelling, and it's Haruhiism/Haruhi-ism. (One for the name, the other for the suffix.)

You are quite right.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-14, 09:20
anyway, wat time, day of the week, and channel is Haruhi broadcast on?

just curious. anyone know? :)

sophismata
2006-04-14, 09:51
anyway, wat time, day of the week, and channel is Haruhi broadcast on?

just curious. anyone know? :)
Been trying to get them myself, but unfortunately the wiki seems to be down. I want to add these to the information/FAQ thread.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-14, 10:28
Sophismata, i have created a wiki article, based upon that great post on Haruhiism/haruhi-ism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhiism

I would greatly appriciate it if you can help me flesh it out.

Of course i will completely rewrite it if you object to having any of your text included in it.

All contribution are always appriciated, lets spread the word, lets us share in our Haruhiism.

:D

melange
2006-04-14, 11:22
It looks like the wiki article is 'marked to be deleted' and I kind of understand why... :heh: I think it would be better to instead make an article explaining/faqing the anime (i.e. put in the info from this thread and the 'all about suzumiya haruhi' thread) and then include the 'Haruhiism' bit inside that greater article.

sophismata
2006-04-14, 11:41
Sophismata, i have created a wiki article, based upon that great post on Haruhiism/haruhi-ism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhiism

I would greatly appriciate it if you can help me flesh it out.

Of course i will completely rewrite it if you object to having any of your text included in it.

All contribution are always appriciated, lets spread the word, lets us share in our Haruhiism.

Hehe, I will say first that I deeply appreciate the sentiment, and consider it a kind of honour... however, at this stage, "Haruhiism" itself would not be considered a notable subject by wiki standards. The problem is twofold; One, we are dealing with a subculture of a subculture, and Two, most of the references to Haruhi, or the SOS団 itself are utf-16; which means most people won't find it searching google (which can be used as a basis for defining notability).

As has been said, it is more appropriate to list it as a subset of an article on Suzumiya Haruhi itself, which is a notable subject. The problem then becomes, of course, a matter of bridging the language gap; there is far more information avaiable on the topic in Japanese than there is in English.

Anyway, I'm very tired right now, 2 AM, but I'll delve back into this forum tomorrow (or today, to be precise). It may be possible to prove Haruhiism as a notable subject on its own, but I think relating directly to the work it derives from is, at this stage, more appropriate.

The other thing to note is that my own definition was written with a deliberate bias, and was fairly tongue-in-cheek. I defined Haruhiism as the worship of a real entity, and the Suzumiya Haruhi works as representations of that entity rather than its source.

(i.e. put in the info from this thread and the 'all about suzumiya haruhi' thread)

I haven't finished that thread yet! I have mark 2 ready, with updated detials (and some formatting changes); all I'm waiting on is the airing times and such. Once I have the code, I'll probably post it and hope a mod can edit the thread. If there is a serious desire to maintain an individual entry for Haruhiism, the deletion is not marked for 5 days, during which time another episode should air.

Regardless, I'm tired, and probably shouldn't do major editing right now. Sleep.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-14, 13:02
Yes, i see your point, i've been trying to flesh out the wiki article, at the moment someone already put a notice about it. i guess it does need to be merge with an article about Haruhi, at this moment I have 5 days to clean it up, and get it to standard.

edit: i have merged it with this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya

RedFrame
2006-04-14, 13:33
why did yuki beat off mikuru in the first episode ? urmm. i mean ep00?
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6064/bscap0333ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sushi-Y
2006-04-14, 13:41
why did yuki beat off mikuru in the first episode ? urmm. i mean ep00?
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6064/bscap0333ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Why would you want to be spoiled? Wouldn't it be more fun to find out on your own by following the anime?

But still, I'll answer it here, but I wouldn't read it if I were you.
Mikuru beam is real, this particular one was a laser beam, or more specifically, a condensed photon laser. Kyon would've had a nice hole burned through the camera and his head if Yuki didn't block it for him.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-14, 14:48
Hey Sushi-Y, you know which TV network Haruhi is broadcast on?

and how many episodes is planned for it?

Oh, and do you know the exact date the first episode was aired?

sorry for the questions, need to add it to the Wiki page.

:p

RedFrame
2006-04-14, 14:55
^ Wtf ? For real ?
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2696/bscap0283qm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:eyespin::eyespin::eyespin::eyespin::eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin::eyespin: :eyespin::eyespin::eyespin::eyespin::eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin:
Now this is getting interesting :D

Sushi-Y
2006-04-14, 15:20
Hey Sushi-Y, you know which TV network Haruhi is broadcast on?

and how many episodes is planned for it?

Oh, and do you know the exact date the first episode was aired?

sorry for the questions, need to add it to the Wiki page.

:p
Broadcasting Stations (ordered by initial air date)

* Chiba TV: 4/2~ Sundays 24:00~24:30
* TV Saitama: 4/2~ Sundays 25:30~26:00
* TV Kanagawa: 4/3~ Mondays 25:15~25:45
* KBS Kyoto: 4/3~ Mondays 25:30~26:00
* TV Hokkaido: 4/3~ Mondays 26:00~26:30
* Sun TV: 4/4~ Tuesdays 24:00~24:30
* Tohoku Broadcasting Company (TBC): 4/4~ Tuesdays 26:00~26:30
* Tokyo MX TV: 4/5~ Wednesdays 25:30~26:00
* TV Aichi: 4/5~ Wednesdays 26:28~26:58
* Hiroshima Home TV: 4/8~ Saturdays 26:05~26:35
* TVQ Kyushu Broadcasting: 4/8~ Saturdays 26:40~27:10

Episode count is just like I mentioned above in the DVD release post. It should be Episode00 + 13 regular episodes, for a total of 14 episodes.

The first airing of the first episode is listed above, under Chiba TV (April 2nd, 24:00~24:30).

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-14, 15:32
wow. too many networks, i think i;ll just list that as "various Japanese networks"

;^^

Kinny Riddle
2006-04-14, 23:09
Forgive me for asking a silly question: So are the novels themselves licensed in North America yet? While licensing anime and manga is the norm, I have no idea if light novels are ever considered for translation by licensing companies.

The reason I ask this is that this series might interest me to do a serialized translation of the novels into English if the novels aren't licensed. Stay tuned. :D

sophismata
2006-04-14, 23:23
Forgive me for asking a silly question: So are the novels themselves licensed in North America yet? While licensing anime and manga is the norm, I have no idea if light novels are ever considered for translation by licensing companies.

The reason I ask this is that this series might interest me to do a serialized translation of the novels into English if the novels aren't licensed. Stay tuned. :D
Not a silly question ;p. And they're not 'licensed'. For them to be translated into english would require a gutsy or desperate publisher; there is no guaranteed market for them.

Why would you want to be spoiled? Wouldn't it be more fun to find out on your own by following the anime?

But still, I'll answer it here, but I wouldn't read it if I were you.
Mikuru beam is real, this particular one was a laser beam, or more specifically, a condensed photon laser. Kyon would've had a nice hole burned through the camera and his head if Yuki didn't block it for him.
Stolen for the FAQ. Mwahahaha.

Kinny Riddle
2006-04-14, 23:57
Not a silly question ;p. And they're not 'licensed'. For them to be translated into english would require a gutsy or desperate publisher; there is no guaranteed market for them.


That great to hear, now I have the vigour to really start this "project", until some "gutsy or desparate publisher" really decides he wants to do my work. :heh:

I'm serious, I think I'll start a Suzumiya novel English translation progress thread and bring in other novel readers to help out as well.

Vexx
2006-04-15, 00:16
Actually... its a relatively unexplored area in hobbydom as far as I can tell. I picked up a few Shuffle! novels just to see what they were about but I wasn't interested enough in the story line to translate very much.

Haruhi's novels... OTOH .... might be a lot of fun, especially with all the odd jargon slung around. That might be worth a small thread in itself if a few people are puzzling over various parts. I might order the novels myself... even if they're beyond my current skill -- they'd make some incentive for a great read down the road.

DannoHung
2006-04-15, 00:29
*is totally willing to edit*

sophismata
2006-04-15, 00:38
Haruhi's novels... OTOH .... might be a lot of fun, especially with all the odd jargon slung around. That might be worth a small thread in itself if a few people are puzzling over various parts. I might order the novels myself... even if they're beyond my current skill -- they'd make some incentive for a great read down the road.
Hey, that's an excellent idea; most of my English skill comes from extensive reading; reading Japanese would be a great way to improve my written language.

Of course, my problem at the moment is a large gap between written and spoken skill; being unfamiliar with the word forms, I'm a painfully slow reader (though that can be improved), but more importantly, while I can understand spoken Japanese (to a degree), reading kanji is another matter.

Vexx
2006-04-15, 00:58
Anyone know if the novels provide furigana with the kanji? That speeds me up immensely (I know hiragana and katakana but am still pretty preschooler with kanji).

Mahoraba: Heartful Days is nice enough to do that, but Tsukuyomi Moon Phase doesn't.

I just ordered the Haruhi novels ... so I guess I'm committed no matter what.

Sushi-Y
2006-04-15, 02:01
Anyone know if the novels provide furigana with the kanji? That speeds me up immensely (I know hiragana and katakana but am still pretty preschooler with kanji).
Furiganas are present, but not all the time. Either way, this is probably not a very easy novel for beginner or intermediate Japanese learners to read, much less try to translate it.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to hurt my own head trying to translate Yuki's denpa-talk.

For example,
"次元振動周期を位相変換し重力波に置き換える作用を持つ力場を体表面に発生させた"
"選択時空間内の流体結合情報を凍結、既知時空間連続体の該当ポイントにおいて凍結を解除した"

And I wouldn't want to touch Koizumi's either,
"喋る猫やミクルビームが存在することに何らかの理由があれば、その時点で別の世界が見えてきます。我々が知 らなかっただけで猫が喋ったり朝比奈さんがビームを出したりする現実は確かにあったのだ、ということになる のです。観測によって存在証明ができたわけです。しかしその瞬間、我々の世界は変容します。超常現像がない 世界から超常現像を内包した世界を認識し直さなければならないのです。我々の知っていた現実世界は、実は偽 りのものだったことになるのですから"

Or the Kyon-style tongue twister narrations,
"そう言われてみるとそんな気がしないでもないようなあるようなでも大声では言いかねるくらいには見えないで もないね"

Anyone who knows Japanese will probably agree with me, this isn't exactly manga text.

NeoSam
2006-04-15, 20:42
Some magazine info :P

Source: Kadokawa (http://www.kadokawa.co.jp), J-Magazine (http://www.j-magazine.or.jp)

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The Sneaker
[seinen]
Serializes light novels for young men.

Bi-monthly novel magazine (released on the 30th of every even month)
Average Age of readers: 17.8 years old
Circulation: 22,500 (According to J-Magazine (http://www.j-magazine.or.jp) its: 23,583)
Format: B5
Price: 720 yen
Readers: 82% males, 18% females

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Shounen Ace
[shounen]
A manga magazine targeting male otakus.

Monthly manga magazine (released on the 26th of every month)
Average Age of readers: 17 years old
Circulation: 59,167 (According to J-Magazine (http://www.j-magazine.or.jp) its: 68,917)
Format: B5
Price: 440 yen
Readers: 87% males, 13% females

===

Danj
2006-04-18, 17:24
How do you define "Haruhiism"?

Not directly related to Haruhi, but I find it amusing that WordNet's definition of -ism (http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=ism) is "a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school"

nasheq
2006-04-19, 00:18
Ep0 3:20 (after mikuru gets her paycheck and bows once)
Why does Mikuru say "goodby ... oh" she hesitates and then puts her hand to her face and then says bye again. WTF?

What is an esper?

Is there any significance in the bunny suit?


Why did Yuki take off her glasses for ep 0?

Is the Stirling Inferno real?

Are the shops for the commercials real places in real life?


What is the cat in this episode and why does the cat talk?
Why is yuki holding the cat?

What is Itsuki's power - and why does Yuki want it?
From this ep it seems Itsuki is the key to Yuki's power of "advancing the universe" ... ok wtf does that mean?

Who's the girl with really long blue green hair that throws Mikuru into the water?

is the mikuru - yuki - itsuki love triangle real?

what's kyon's real name? who is he? does he have any special powers?

Are Mikuru's titties real? how old is she? are those titties so great cause haruhi changed reality?L MAO

SoldierOfDarkness
2006-04-19, 00:30
*takes Nasheq to look at episode 1*

Kid, episode 1 was a movie made by Haruhi, if you watch it all the way to the end, you'll see. If you've been listening to Kyon's comments along the episode as well.

Though it still doesn't explain the cat being able to talk as Kyon went, "Hey Shaimsen, stop talking!" He wasn't surprised it was talking, he was surprised that he was talking when he wasn't suppose too.

An esper if I recall correctly has something to do with people with ESP or telepathy.

Priceless though, when the fireworks were going and the teachers just rush in like WTF!?

EDIT: Yeah many edits, I've been sifting through other information and apparently Yuki was told by Kyon that she looks better without glasses. Also, the series isn't really linear, episode 1, since SOS is formed making the movie, then episode 2 which is the start, etc.

Adigard
2006-04-19, 00:43
You should... umm... rewatch Ep.Zero... then maybe watch a few more episodes. If you haven't yet figured out that Ep.Zero was a movie made by this club of high school students... err... yeah... And while events in the movie are a pretty damn scary reflection of events in the Anime itself... that's another story entirely ^^

I don't suggest reading any of these spoilers... as they're going to be rather vague... but here is what I've managed to figure out thus far.

From nasheq

Why does Mikuru say "goodby ... oh" she hesitates and then puts her hand to her
face and then says bye again. WTF?

I'm of the opinion she hit her nose with the paycheck... Which sorta makes sense considering where she placed it/how she bowed her head.

Is there any significance in the bunny suit?

Kyon seems to like it... At the moment, that seems to be significant enough

Why did Yuki take off her glasses for ep 0?

Kyon tells Yuki she looks cuter without them, so she stops wearing them

Is the Stirling Inferno real?

Real enough to deflect BB gun bullets, but anything sturdy could do that if the weilder was skilled enough

Are the shops for the commercials real places in real life?

In real life? Clueless, but it seems unlikely. There have been very interesting photo's posted in these forums that point out exactly how accurate the anime is in regards to it's landscape... But I don't see any reason to put real life shops in the show. The kind forumites who have read the novels have suggested there's a really good reason for the commercials, as well as having Haruhi repeat the disclaimer twice... but I don't understand them myself.


What is the cat in this episode and why does the cat talk?

The cat is a male siamese (?) cat with those markings... Which is semi-significant of itself. And the cat talks because Haruhi wanted a talking cat in the show

Why is yuki holding the cat?

IMO? She looks cuter than heck with that cat perched on her shoulder... But honestly, shouldn't all alien witches have cat familiars?

is the mikuru - yuki - itsuki love triangle real?

Doubt it... I doubt it quite a lot

what's kyon's real name? who is he? does he have any special powers?

Kyon's real name has yet to be revealved, even in Vol7 of the novels (not that I can read them T_T)... that's sort of the irony. As often as our narrator complains about people calling him Kyon, he has yet to tell us his name. Which implies quite a lot to various people

nasheq
2006-04-19, 00:50
i already know it's a movie (Watched eps 0-2. but i read in the forums that the movie reflects reality. hence in expectation - minor things in the movie should have a great deal of significance.

Adigard
2006-04-19, 00:54
From this ep it seems Itsuki is the key to Yuki's power of "advancing the universe" ... ok wtf does that mean?

Itsuki was (IMO) only talking about himself in that scene... but outside of the movie he was talking about someone else entirely as the key who is unable to affect anything, but rather is a means to open a door.

//EDIT: As an aside... shouldn't this whole topic be moved to the Suzumiya Haruhi Episode 1 Discussion where it belongs? >_>;;

molitar
2006-04-19, 00:59
Are the novels actual novels or they manga's with pictures? Just curious I seen manga mentioned and novel mentioned in a few threads.

Adigard
2006-04-19, 01:01
Are the novels actual novels or they manga's with pictures? Just curious I seen manga mentioned and novel mentioned in a few threads.

Suzumiya Haruhi novel and manga (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=30775)

NoSanninWa
2006-04-19, 01:02
Are the novels actual novels or they manga's with pictures? Just curious I seen manga mentioned and novel mentioned in a few threads.
This started as a series of "light novels" which means that they are short novels which include illustrated pages. There is also a manga of more recent vintage.

LagunaEclipse
2006-04-19, 19:19
I have a question...
Do Haruhi and Kyon develop/have feelings for each other in the novel? Do they "hook up" in any way? Thanks in advance.

Busaiku Chama
2006-04-19, 19:33
2 questions:
Did they ever reveal why/how Haruhi got her god powers (I've been reading the spoilers, cause I like spoilers)? And also it's been mentioned that Haruhi is oblivious to her powers herself, but does anyone else know (I'm suspecting Mikuru and Yuki do, but anyone else)?

Also, has there been any news of the novel being licensed and translated into English, in any English-Dominant country?

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-19, 20:06
I have a question...
Do Haruhi and Kyon develop/have feelings for each other in the novel? Do they "hook up" in any way? Thanks in advance.

well...


I have seen a manga clip from the novel (it's called a light novel for a reason, it has text and manga illustrations) of Haruhi being embraced and kissing Kyon.

Wether this was because they were in the moment i don't know, but to me it Suzumiya looked surprised, you know the surprised kissed look.

My opinion on that is kyon "sacrificed" himself and kissed her to save the universe or something, stopping her from going out of line. :p

I think it's safe to say they both are VERY fond of each other but im not so sure that it would be fully blown into a all out realationship.

bUt thats just my speculation.

:D

Adigard
2006-04-19, 20:20
well...


I have seen a manga clip from the novel (it's called a light novel for a reason, it has text and manga illustrations) of Haruhi being embraced and kissing Kyon.




http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2262/11449255398037fx9sx.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11449255398037fx9sx.jpg)

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-19, 20:34
Yeah. that's the one!

Look at haruhi's face!! kaaaawaaaaaiiii!!

:D :D :D

SoldierOfDarkness
2006-04-19, 20:42
well...


I have seen a manga clip from the novel (it's called a light novel for a reason, it has text and manga illustrations) of Haruhi being embraced and kissing Kyon.

Wether this was because they were in the moment i don't know, but to me it Suzumiya looked surprised, you know the surprised kissed look.

My opinion on that is kyon "sacrificed" himself and kissed her to save the universe or something, stopping her from going out of line. :p

I think it's safe to say they both are VERY fond of each other but im not so sure that it would be fully blown into a all out realationship.

bUt thats just my speculation.

:D




You never know, I wrote a paper about how opposites attract. Kyon is basically on one side of the spectrum compared to Haruhi.:heh:


This series has 24 episodes right? I'm pretty sure down the line somewhere it's bound to happen:p

Adigard
2006-04-19, 20:55
This series has 24 episodes right? I'm pretty sure down the line somewhere it's bound to happen:p

As has been stated a few dozen times... It's 13+1(DVD) ep... Although KyoAni has succesfully contiued shows that they've left off before... so there is some hope of a second season somewhere down the road.

Rather we should hope for a wildly succesful Japanese run, followed by a very well recieved DVD release... shortly followed up with a NA license agreement that also includes a novel translation. If we get all that, there's a pretty decent chance they'll do a second season in the next year or two ^^;; If some of that falls through, there's still the chance we'll see a second season in 2-3 years T_T

Sushi-Y
2006-04-19, 21:30
As has been stated a few dozen times... It's 13+1(DVD) ep...
Nobody said anything about a DVD-only episode (just because the final DVD only contains one episode doesn't mean it going to be a DVD-only episode). As of now, from what we can tell by looking at the planned DVD volumes, the anime will be running for 14 episodes, that's all.

Vexx
2006-04-19, 21:49
well...



I think it's safe to say they both are VERY fond of each other but im not so sure that it would be fully blown into a all out realationship.

bUt thats just my speculation.

:D



Ever known someone that drove you nuts, wrecked your daily life, frequently left you hyperventilating.... but when they were gone, you missed them and felt a great hole in your life? It wasn't even whether they were good or bad.. .but that connection had become very important.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-19, 21:53
Nobody said anything about a DVD-only episode (just because the final DVD only contains one episode doesn't mean it going to be a DVD-only episode). As of now, from what we can tell by looking at the planned DVD volumes, the anime will be running for 14 episodes, that's all.


bah. sushi-Y the ever pessimist :(

I hope you are wrong....WRONG! :D

Adigard
2006-04-19, 22:27
Nobody said anything about a DVD-only episode (just because the final DVD only contains one episode doesn't mean it going to be a DVD-only episode). As of now, from what we can tell by looking at the planned DVD volumes, the anime will be running for 14 episodes, that's all.

'tis a good point, and I'll apologize for my earlier post... Sorry ^^;; Also, in scanning through the forums I wasn't able to find the original post that called out the 14 ep format, so obviously it hasn't been stated "dozens" of times >_>;;

I'm still assuming it's 13 eps and a DVD only ep though T_T

With the number of volumes released already theres a fairly good chance they could run beyond 14 eps... but it seems a little unlikely they'd suddenly extend the show. But nothings impossible with a big enough fanbase (except... the anime companies don't make money off releasing the anime on TV... so... it'd have to be a big fanbase buying merchendise) ^^

Kinny Riddle
2006-04-20, 10:43
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2262/11449255398037fx9sx.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11449255398037fx9sx.jpg)
It's all a dream, sort of. :heh:

Haruhi's dissatisfaction with the status quo of this world has grown to a point where she is on the verge of subconsciously destroying the current one and creating a new one. Through hints from Yuki and Mikuru, the only way Kyon can stop the world getting destroyed by Blue Giants is to do the unthinkable, he kissed her and have her "wake up" back to the real world.

So by the next day in class, Haruhi doesn't remember anything, save for a terrible "dream" she had. (For Kyon, it was a surreal dream, that "kiss" still felt wet. ) Though she decided to wear a ponytail, since Kyon in the "dream" said he liked her in a ponytail. But only for a few hours before she took it off again just to spite Kyon. :heh:

Say, does anyone know when the anime OP and ED single is coming out? I can't get those music off my mind, I must have them in me iPod!!!

Thelastguardian
2006-04-20, 11:13
So by the next day in class, Haruhi doesn't remember anything, save for a terrible "dream" she had.I thought she remembers it...That's just my feeling though.

panzerfan
2006-04-20, 11:17
On the subject of DVD release, KyoAni may release Haruhi on Blu-ray as well (I dunno if they announced this officially though). Blu-ray has no region lock and... I want to see this in 1080i! O good god... (AIR on Blu-ray was what suckered me into pre-order PS3)

Adigard
2006-04-20, 12:05
Blu-ray has no region lock and...

I thought Blu-Ray had region codes... but JP and NA are both in the same region... no?

//EDIT: A quick search on Wiki (It's Wikipedia, YMMV) yielded these Blu-Ray region codes:

1 North America, South America, Japan and East Asia (excluding China)
2 Europe and Africa
3 India, China, Russia, and all other countries.

Kinny Riddle
2006-04-20, 12:11
I thought she remembers it...That's just my feeling though.
She most likely remembered it, but she didn't want to admit it, trying to shrug it off as a "dream", since it's too embarassing for her, to have Kyon one-up her for once in such a way. :heh:

And Mikuru pushed Kyon off when he tried to embrace her, saying "You can only have up to one." Probably hinting some time in the future Kyon and Haruhi would develop some sort of relationship. They'll probably get there by volume 15,498. :heh:

panzerfan
2006-04-20, 12:17
Japan and US to share region encoding on Blu-ray...

yea. Ur right about that. Although that still translate to getting Japanese release without the woes of being in another region.

There is a region 4: Null. That setting seems to be what the initial PS3's will be released at, not sure though.

Adigard
2006-04-20, 12:52
Although that still translate to getting Japanese release without the woes of being in another region.

It'd be pretty damn awesome to get this show on 1080i (or 780p, which is the resolution some of the RAW's seem to be coming with). Just need to sink some money into a PS3, or a Blu-Ray media player... and then try not to die when you see the price tag of the disks ^^;;

Shirobane
2006-04-20, 13:05
On the subject of DVD release, KyoAni may release Haruhi on Blu-ray as well (I dunno if they announced this officially though). Blu-ray has no region lock and... I want to see this in 1080i! O good god... (AIR on Blu-ray was what suckered me into pre-order PS3)
Do you think they'd also release Haruhi in HD-DVD format? Although assuming nothing changes with Sharp, the region codes will probably also remain the same...that's why the world needs more Region 0 players :D

panzerfan
2006-04-20, 13:16
That's a good question. HD-DVD camp is supported by MS and Sony Blu-ray. KyoAni looks to be siding at Blu-ray camp which would make HD-DVD release unplausable.

As an aside, according to the Inquirer, it is possible to transmit HDMI using dual link DVI port (which means the video card of 'this' generation with ATi x1k and Nvidia 6k+ series), san audio, using a dongle. There will be content protection issue to worry about (guess what, HD ready and protection scheme matters) ... from what've I know so far anything we can buy today will not pass the certification.

However, a good news is that rumor has it all initial products available for HD (blu-ray of HD-DVD) will not strictly enforce protection but that won't last...

This translates into whatever we use to watch HD media useless by perhaps 2k7~2k8.

Shirobane
2006-04-20, 14:09
Well cost-efficiency wise, HD-DVD has the advantage over Blu-Ray in my mind, but as was said before (in some other thread, I forgot which) Otaku in Japan really don't give a damn about prices, they just want their content. Which leads me to believe that the disc format wars accodring to anime, will be based upon what HD media that the Otkau will be watching in 2k7/2k8 rather than what the world is watching at that time.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-20, 14:22
Japan and US to share region encoding on Blu-ray...

yea. Ur right about that. Although that still translate to getting Japanese release without the woes of being in another region.

There is a region 4: Null. That setting seems to be what the initial PS3's will be released at, not sure though.


really? dammn.

DVD's on the other hands have Europe and Japan as the same region, with the US of A has it's own special region of it's own.

I guess they wised up, that it's better to have Japan and the USA grouped together.

the good fortune we have had is now over, curse you blu-ray! *sob*

*gets ready to buy a HD-DVD player*

:p

Adigard
2006-04-20, 14:25
Which leads me to believe that the disc format wars accodring to anime, will be based upon what HD media that the Otkau will be watching in 2k7/2k8 rather than what the world is watching at that time.

That's certainly plausable, and I think it was accurate in the past... but I wonder if it holds true in today's market. I don't know either way... I haven't done enough research on the notion to do anything more than blindly guess ^^

I seem to recall seeing Laser Disc anime releases long after the rest of the world stopped releasing media on Laser Disc... it'll be interesting to see if that holds true in the modern era of DVR's, BT downloads, and the rise of the internet. The Japanese anime fan certainly has the money to get his voice heard... the average JP limited edition DVD release holds a TON more extras than anything you'll ever see released in the US, although even those extras seem to be tapering off a bit in content/quality.

We'll probably have to wait a few years to see which way the market's going... but it should be interesting ^_^


I guess they wised up, that it's better to have Japan and the USA grouped together. the good fortune we have had is now over, curse you blu-ray! *sob*

*gets ready to buy a HD-DVD player*


IF you buy a HD-DVD player, and Kyo-Ani does release a Blu-Ray ver. of Haruhi, you won't be able to watch it ^^

Honestly, if the HD wars end with Blu-Ray winning (no guarantee either way) the single region might be a really good selling point (for at least a small portion of the market {US Anime fans ^^}).

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-20, 14:56
IF you buy a HD-DVD player, and Kyo-Ani does release a Blu-Ray ver. of Haruhi, you won't be able to watch it ^^

I won't be able to watch it anyway.

<- Lives in the UK

So screw you Blu-Ray! :frustrated:

*shakes fist at Sony*

If HD-DVD loses the FormWar I, theres always FormWar II!!

Holographic Versitile Disc FTW!!! :D

panzerfan
2006-04-20, 15:03
The major issue however is not just with Blu-ray, but the whole issue surrounding HDMI. HDCP certification is what I am more concerned with now...

Sure we might have a next-gen machine that can play the disc, but you need either a Graphics card that is actually rated to support HDCP and a display that will do it to enjoy anything in hi-def 1080i. If there's no video card today that has this certification, it would invariably mean that all digital enthusiests must upgrade at 2k7 and toss out whatever investments they made on 2k6 regarding HD hardware. Not many displays out there today actually are rated with HDCP ...

and guess what? All major OEM or tier-1 are branding their products as HD ready. I saw at least 3 different hardware reviewers all pointing to how that ATi and Nvidia do not have HDCP certification even on their latest boards... not only that, the displays out there that's actually able to do 1080i are expensive and it's only recently that the displays could be said as 'certified HDCP compliant'...

tsk.

Behardware's article indicates how that a reduced resolution will be displayed (or nothing at all) if the HDCP compliance is not met if even 1 of the display elements fail to have the certification. I don't like the sound of it one bit.

Sushi-Y
2006-04-20, 17:08
Getting a little off-topic, so I'll just go against the flow for a bit here.
They'll probably get there by volume 15,498. :heh:

Now that you mention it, don't you think Endless Eight makes the perfect plot for an ero-doujin? :heh: Maybe by C70 we'll see 15,498 of them flowing around. :heh:
Logic:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7113/4coma0375tz.jpg
But really, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is the most talked-about anime of the spring season. Source (http://kstat.web.fc2.com/countkw20062q/)
There's an interesting chart showing the relationships between how many time the anime was mentioned in Hatena (a popular search and blogging service) vs the number of posts about it in 2ch. I translated the ones near the top:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/597/20060403copy5oo.th.png (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20060403copy5oo.png)
Animes near top left: niche anime (popular among animaniacs or hardcore otakus)
Animes near bottom right: mainstream anime (popular among more casual viewers)
Animes near top right: popular anime (popular among casual viewers and animaniacs alike)
Animes near bottom left: unpopular anime (not popular)

Notice the numbers aren't spaced out linearly either, Haruhi's post count in 2ch is actually more than double than that of Higurashi's.

eVaX
2006-04-20, 17:19
There's an interesting chart showing the relationships between how many time the anime was mentioned in Hatena (a popular search and blogging service) vs the number of posts about it in 2ch. I translated the ones near the top:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/597/20060403copy5oo.th.png (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20060403copy5oo.png)


I've found my new wallpaper.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-20, 18:09
what? even better then her almighty?! You would replace our Haruhi with such debased worship of numerical idol?

BURN THE INFIDEL!

*sends little gifs of flames at eVaX*

buuurn...BUUUrrrNNN.....

:p

Sushi-Y
2006-04-20, 22:47
Some new CDs...
===================
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Insertion Song 「God knows・・・」/ Hirano Aya / Release Date: 2006/06/21 - ¥1,200 (Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FFL4L4/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_4/249-6118575-1765906))
- Special Sleeve Case
- 2 Original Drawing Case Jackets
Tracks:
+ Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Insertion Song 「God knows・・・」/ Hirano Aya (Suzumiya Haruhi)
+ Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Insertion Song 「Lost My Music」/ Hirano Aya (Suzumiya Haruhi)
+ Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode00 Theme Song 「Koi no Mikuru Densetsu」/ Gotou Yuuko (Asahina Mikuru)

Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Character Song/ Hirano Aya (Suzumiya Haruhi) / Release Date: 2006/07/05 - ¥1,200 (Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FFL4KA/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/249-6118575-1765906))
- Original Jacket Illustration
Tracks:
+ Suzumiya Haruhi Character Song
+ c/w 「Hare Hare Yukai」 (Suzumiya Haruhi ver.)

Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Character Song/ Chihara Minori (Nagato Yuki) / Release Date: 2006/07/05 - ¥1,200 (Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FFL4KK/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_1/249-6118575-1765906))
- Original Jacket Illustration
Tracks:
+ Nagato Yuki Character Song
+ c/w 「Hare Hare Yukai」 (Nagato Yuki ver.)

Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Character Song/ Gotou Yuuko (Asahina Mikuru) / Release Date: 2006/07/05 - ¥1,200 (Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000FFL4KU/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_2/249-6118575-1765906))
- Original Jacket Illustration
Tracks:
+ Asahina Mikuru Character Song
+ c/w 「Hare Hare Yukai」 (Asahina Mikuru ver.)

===================
I'm gonna skip the money-robbing comments and move on... Insertion songs? And two of them too. Ooh, I wonder where they might get used...

SkyDragon
2006-04-21, 23:22
Wow!! This look like a pretty popular series. Is it any good? As of now, would you recommend it?

Adigard
2006-04-21, 23:56
As of ep3 the forums here have more posts than School Rumble, which has 29 eps, 2 OVA's, and a manga release.

In Japan, the Haruhi thread counts on 2chan are rapidly pushing F/SN out of top place... and F/SN is on ep16... Both shows seem to have well over 64,000 posts by fans.

If you really want to know what people think, I'd recommend looking at the polls on the indivual ep threads... although I'm sure one of the fanboys will come in and tell you all about the show.

mr.muffin
2006-04-22, 05:34
Wow!! This look like a pretty popular series. Is it any good? As of now, would you recommend it?

Yep I would recommend it. But I would advise against reading the episode poll threads. The temptation to click the spoiler tags is just too great... :heh:

Plus for me I feel it's better if I watch a few epsiodes of a new anime first before reading others comments. That way I won't be influenced by other's views on the anime.

celcius
2006-04-22, 09:42
In Japan, the Haruhi thread counts on 2chan are rapidly pushing F/SN out of top place... and F/SN is on ep16... Both shows seem to have well over 64,000 posts by fans.
Fans and bashers. ;)
If you really want to know what people think, I'd recommend looking at the polls on the indivual ep threads... although I'm sure one of the fanboys will come in and tell you all about the show.
That's not a very good idea though... From the word FANboy, you already know you're going to get a very biased opinion. ^^;

Anyway, I'd recommend it, because Haruhi is omnipotent. It's funny and chaotic. By the looks of upto the current episode, it looks like it's also going to have a deeper plot. And Haruhi is omnipotent.

Adigard
2006-04-22, 10:38
Well... that's why I recommended looking at the polls... not the threads themselves ^^

In a perfect world you'd just browse the different anime blogs on the web until you found a blogger who's opinion you trust (Memento is my primary trusted blog although I download most of the new anime and form my own opinion). If you don't have a trusted blog you could wander over to ANN and get their review of the newest season (YMMV). If you don't want to do either of those... just follow the forum hype in recommending what shows you download.

But if the 1800 posts here in the past 27 days doesn't already tell you what the forum goers here think of the thread, well... askiog what they think will always work as well ^^

NeoSam
2006-04-22, 11:01
Ok since this is the Q & A thread.

If someone asks for the covers of Volume 8 of the novel and the first volume of the new manga, here they are:

Volume 8 of the seinen novel Suzumiya Haruhi will be released on 1/5/2006 (May 1st, 2006).

Here its cover:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/423/suzumiyaharuhinovelvol85gh.jpg
Seinen novel

The first volume of the new Suzumiya Haruhi manga will be released on 26/4/2006.

Here its cover:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1640/suzumiyaharuhimangavol18wg.jpg

Serialized in: Shounen Ace


Covers were added with the other covers of the novel and manga in this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=528926&postcount=6).

Mecha_Trueno
2006-04-22, 17:16
does anyone know what the 'm' stands for on their uniform?

Wandering_Youth
2006-04-25, 20:46
Mikuru beam is real, this particular one was a laser beam, or more specifically, a condensed photon laser. Kyon would've had a nice hole burned through the camera and his head if Yuki didn't block it for him.
Ha, I totally thought it was some cheap special FX they did for the movie.

I have a question, the people who made Suzumiya Haruhi are the same people who did Shakugan no Shana?

panzerfan
2006-04-25, 21:03
the same character designer /illustrator. KyoAni did AIR and alot of ppl have called ep1 Haruhi as the KyoAni revision of Shana.

viper
2006-04-28, 23:24
Quickie question

Is Haruhi a normal human blessed with extraordinary powers...or is she just "alien"?

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-28, 23:26
Quickie question

Is Haruhi a normal human blessed with extraordinary powers...or is she just "alien"?

Quickie answer



She is neither a normal human blessed with extraordinary power nor an alien.

She is GOD



:D

Sushi-Y
2006-04-29, 00:46
Quickie answer



She is neither a normal human blessed with extraordinary power nor an alien.

She is GOD



:D
Actually, that is still to be debated. At the very least, nobody in the novel directly called Haruhi that. Koizumi, Mikuru, and Yuki all belong to different "factions" themselves, and each one of them has their own ideas and theories about Haruhi and her "powers". Koizumi simply used the notion of a "god" to help him illustrate his faction's beliefs about Haruhi.

As of now, all we know is that Haruhi is definately the key link to various supernatural phenomenons. That's all.

Alu
2006-04-29, 08:58
You forgot to mencione that... despite her beeing one or the other..;
she is not aware she has such powers.., hence.. everything just seems natural to her.

For some reason there are sigs running arround with phrases like "omipotent does not equal intelligence" and "suzumiya haruhi = born dumb?" :p

PhantomX
2006-04-29, 09:51
They don't need to state it in the words "Haruhi is God" for it to be true. Other than fearing the lockdown dimensions (which happen when she's tense), she has the ability to recreate the whole world to fit what she wants ... that sounds pretty godlike, ne?

Sushi-Y
2006-04-29, 13:59
They don't need to state it in the words "Haruhi is God" for it to be true. Other than fearing the lockdown dimensions (which happen when she's tense), she has the ability to recreate the whole world to fit what she wants ... that sounds pretty godlike, ne?
That's just it, there's no direct proof showing that's she's the one who caused them, Koizumi's "faction" thinks that Suzumiya Haruhi "causes" the world to change (restructure) whenever she feels irritated, but in the end, it's nothing more than a theory. Even within Koizumi's own faction, there are different parties with opposing beliefs about Suzumiya Haruhi. Asahina Mikuru's group (the future organization she belongs to) also disagrees with Koizumi's faction's theory (from vol.2) (at one point, both Mikuru and Koizumi actually approached Kyon and warned him to not trust the other person too much). To add to that, the information unification entity thing that Yuki belongs to are also split up into various factions within themselves, each with their own beliefs about what to do with Suzumiya Haruhi (vol.7).

In the end, based on what can be observed, it's true that Haruhi is definately the key to explaining all these supernatural phenomenons, but nobody can say with 100% certainty that she's a "god" with the power to change the world.

Diaphanus
2006-04-29, 15:13
In the end, based on what can be observed, it's true that Haruhi is definately the key to explaining all these supernatural phenomenons, but nobody can say with 100% certainty that she's a "god" with the power to change the world.So, in other words, the correlation between Haruhi and the supernatural phenomena is well established, but it's just that the causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_implies_causation_(logical_fallacy)) is much less certain.

Heh heh, I think that some people around here are aware of my aversion to criteria involving absolute, 100% certainty. :D

Prodigious
2006-04-29, 15:24
Regardless of the actual truth, it's just so much fun to assume that

She is God, or rather, "a" god.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-04-29, 22:57
mmm..well since this is Q & A

anyone know when the ending theme song single gonna be released? been looping the bouken desho desho for some time now. -can't live without playing it. :D

Really want ot see the Hirano aya music pv. the CM for the single she did was so moe.

so, anyone know? :)

mr.muffin
2006-04-30, 01:00
The single for the ending theme song Harehare Yukai will be released on 10th May 2006.

Info courtesy of cdjapan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/(with_comments)/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4261).

Anh_Minh
2006-05-04, 15:44
Question: how does Koizumi knows what he know? More specifically, how does he know about Mikuru and Yuki?

Each one of that trio seems to know about the other two. In Nagato's and Mikuru's case, it's easy to see why they'd have access to advanced knowledge. But why would Koizumi know anything beyond his own powers?

PhantomX
2006-05-04, 15:55
It probably has something to do with the fact that the organization he is with is full of people with psychic powers.

Adigard
2006-05-04, 18:11
Question: how does Koizumi knows what he know? More specifically, how does he know about Mikuru and Yuki?


From watching the last episode again... and paying attention to Kyon's conversation with Itsuki... Itsuki doesn't actually say anything particular about the other two ladies or their groups... In fact, aside from making the observation that the other must two have already told Kyon their stories, Itsuki doesn't talk about them at all. This is strictly from the anime episode, the novel might reveal a bit more information but I don't really have the time to scan through the translated novels atm.

PhantomX
2006-05-04, 19:22
I think it's implied that they all know about each other ... seeing as they are all, in fact, under order from "superiors." I'm assuming that the groups they are with are quite large, and that they all monitor one another (and seriously, not too hard to tell that Yuki is just data with a body once you hear her talk and see her run :P)

Anh_Minh
2006-05-05, 03:50
It probably has something to do with the fact that the organization he is with is full of people with psychic powers.
But their powers are useless!

PastPrime
2006-05-05, 12:18
But their powers are useless!
Since they researched Kyon's background and determined that he was normal it is likely that they tried to research the other member's backgrounds. The fact that there was no record of them prior to 3 years ago might possibly be taken to indicate that there was something not normal about them, And the way Kyon framed the question indicated that they had already talked to him.

PhantomX
2006-05-06, 00:00
But their powers are useless!

Actually, we don't know if they all have the same powers or not ...

NeoSam
2006-05-07, 05:08
Itou Noiji (いとうのいぢ) : Illustrator of the light seinen novel Suzumiya Haruhi.

Gender: Female

Her official site: http://fujitsubo-machine.jp/~benja/

She's the illustrator of the following light seinen novels:

==========

Suzumiya Haruhi (涼宮ハルヒ)

Covers of volumes: in this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=528926&postcount=6).

Seinen novel
Serialized in: The Sneaker
Published under the label Sneaker Bunko.

* Novel is still ongoing.

==========

Shakugan no SHANA (灼眼のシャナ)

Covers of volumes: in this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=409565&postcount=2).

Seinen novel
Published under the label Dengeki Bunko.

==========

She's the author/artist of the following shounen manga:

==========

Bee-be-beat it!

Shounen manga
Serialized in: Dragon AGE Pure

Dragon AGE Pure is a new shounen manga magazine, so for now there are no volumes released of the manga yet.

More info about the manga can be seen here:
http://www.fujimishobo.co.jp/pure/2006/02/post_36.php

==========

More info can be found in the wikipedia entry here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noizi_Ito

Yotsuba
2006-05-08, 06:28
I was wondering if anyone who read the novels knew..


The older one, how she said she wouldn't have known about her birthmark without Kyon.. how is that? Are they lovers in the future, or something?

I know he then ended up just telling her, but.. does that mean the future was changed because he knew about it? It's confusing.

iamandragon
2006-05-08, 07:41
The birthmark is one of the 'plot traps' the author set. If it wasn't Kyon telling Mikuru about that birthmark Mikuru won't know and tell Kyon the birthmark later on when she returns in the futher future who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future who won't know it in the later future to come back and tell Kyon who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future.........................Later on in vol. 4 Kyon travelled 3 years back in time to help Suzumiya to do all her cult(e.g. grafitti in school). The mystery started unrevealing itself---it's not Suzumiya who's having her wishes granted, it's Kyon. He is the cause of everything 3 years ago. He is the cause of Suzumiya becoming a 'god'. He is the cause that Mikuru came back from the future because he made Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side.............................................. ...

There are clues here and there everywhere as the novel goes on. Remember when Kyon and Suzumiya first met in vol. 1? Suzumiya asked him 'have I met you before?' The answer is 'no'. Fact is, Suzumiya have met Kyon 3 years, but not the Kyon she see, but the Kyon she see in vol. 4.
Another clue is obvious--right in the beginning of the whole series Kyon said he don't want to be the main character, but rather, the a side character, and thus he became the side character with Suzumiya becoming the main character, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. He's really an alien or from the future, and he has telepathic abilities. When he gets into a fight with the bad guys, all I need to do is find a way to get involved in his war. He'll handle all the fighting and I can just be his flunky sidekick

I have much more to say but I'm too tired...

PastPrime
2006-05-08, 08:51
The birthmark is one of the 'plot traps' the author set. If it wasn't Kyon telling Mikuru about that birthmark Mikuru won't know and tell Kyon the birthmark later on when she returns in the futher future who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future who won't know it in the later future to come back and tell Kyon who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future.........................Later on in vol. 4 Kyon travelled 3 years back in time to help Suzumiya to do all her cult(e.g. grafitti in school). The mystery started unrevealing itself---it's not Suzumiya who's having her wishes granted, it's Kyon. He is the cause of everything 3 years ago. He is the cause of Suzumiya becoming a 'god'. He is the cause that Mikuru came back from the future because he made Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side.............................................. ...

There are clues here and there everywhere as the novel goes on. Remember when Kyon and Suzumiya first met in vol. 1? Suzumiya asked him 'have I met you before?' The answer is 'no'. Fact is, Suzumiya have met Kyon 3 years, but not the Kyon she see, but the Kyon she see in vol. 4.
Another clue is obvious--right in the beginning of the whole series Kyon said he don't want to be the main character, but rather, the a side character, and thus he became the side character with Suzumiya becoming the main character,

I have much more to say but I'm too tired...
A spoiler yes, but a surprise no. That is basically what I had been thinking all along. I even posted a similar speculation.

Kazu-kun
2006-05-08, 10:22
The birthmark is one of the 'plot traps' the author set. If it wasn't Kyon telling Mikuru about that birthmark Mikuru won't know and tell Kyon the birthmark later on when she returns in the futher future who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future who won't know it in the later future to come back and tell Kyon who won't know about the birthmark to tell Mikuru in the eariler future.........................Later on in vol. 4 Kyon travelled 3 years back in time to help Suzumiya to do all her cult(e.g. grafitti in school). The mystery started unrevealing itself---it's not Suzumiya who's having her wishes granted, it's Kyon. He is the cause of everything 3 years ago. He is the cause of Suzumiya becoming a 'god'. He is the cause that Mikuru came back from the future because he made Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side which caused Mikuru to come back from the future and later on take Kyon to the past to help Suzumiya in the past making Suzumiya a god who wanted a time traveller to be on her side.............................................. ...

There are clues here and there everywhere as the novel goes on. Remember when Kyon and Suzumiya first met in vol. 1? Suzumiya asked him 'have I met you before?' The answer is 'no'. Fact is, Suzumiya have met Kyon 3 years, but not the Kyon she see, but the Kyon she see in vol. 4.
Another clue is obvious--right in the beginning of the whole series Kyon said he don't want to be the main character, but rather, the a side character, and thus he became the side character with Suzumiya becoming the main character,

I have much more to say but I'm too tired...

But Kyon has no powers, so it's not that he made Suzumiya a god, is it? Haruhi would have to be a God even before that. He has to had fed her with the ideas about aliens, espers and such, thus triggering her.

Well, this is just a guess since I didn't read volum 4. So I want you to explain me: What did you mean when you said Kyon made Haruhi a God? and Please, don't mind revealing major secrets. I love spoilers!

PhantomX
2006-05-08, 15:39
I said two letters ... don't go trying to catch me with technicalities :P

And if you could pm me the answer to that one person's question about


Kyon making Haruhi a god


that would be good :)

iamandragon
2006-05-08, 16:55
I said two letters ... don't go trying to catch me with technicalities :P

And if you could pm me the answer to that one person's question about


Kyon making Haruhi a god


that would be good :)

I've pm'ed you and Kazu-kun the first part of my Suzumiya theory...second part tomorrow I'm tired now...

Sushi-Y
2006-05-08, 22:59
If we trace back Haruhi's history, we can tell this much:

Haruhi first became "aware" of her own existence at that baseball game back when she was in elementary. Since then, she has been trying to lead a more interesting life, to make the world around herself a more interesting one.

But it wasn't until 3 years ago, when she and "John Smith" drew that alien message in her middle school grounds, did Haruhi's "power" began to emerge.

According to Yuki, the symbol that Haruhi (well, "John") drew on the ground that night actually said "I am here" in an alien language. Is this the very first example of Haruhi's "power"? We don't know. What we do know is that John's appearance definitely triggered something in Haruhi on that day, and caused her "power" to go into full swing.

Does Kyon really have some kind of mystic powers? Is he the one who "gave" Haruhi all those powers? Who knows. But one thing's for sure: Kyon is a chosen person for Haruhi. He alone can affect Haruhi in ways that nobody else can. As for the reason... You'll just have to look deeper into their characters.

By the way, it appears that for the DVD release, the episode ordering will be different from the anime. Which means... they're probably putting the episodes back into the right order (Haruhi's order by the timeline) for the DVDs.

Catgirls
2006-05-09, 11:20
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yura`
2006-05-11, 04:41
so can anyone just explain to me what exactly happen 3 years ago? i don't mind a lengthy, 'spoiler-filled' answer; on the contrary, i find that it helps me enjoy the anime a lot more as i understand the "holes" in the sequence of the anime episodes. arigatou gozaimasu! :)

Argent
2006-05-11, 11:39
so can anyone just explain to me what exactly happen 3 years ago? i don't mind a lengthy, 'spoiler-filled' answer; on the contrary, i find that it helps me enjoy the anime a lot more as i understand the "holes" in the sequence of the anime episodes. arigatou gozaimasu! :)

I'll slip this under a spoiler tag for propriety's sake

That was when Haruhi decided/realized that the world was boring.

If there is anything else, it hasn't made it's way into English yet.

iamandragon
2006-05-11, 16:41
I'll slip this under a spoiler tag for propriety's sake

That was when Haruhi decided/realized that the world was boring.

If there is anything else, it hasn't made it's way into English yet.

That...
is exactly the other way round...
Kyon gave her hope and told her that aliens exists, time travellers are common and espers are everywhere, thus making her think and believe that the world is very interesting...(What's your name? John Smith lollollolI wonder, out of all advanturers, why him?)

Vexx
2006-05-11, 17:47
By the way, it appears that for the DVD release, the episode ordering will be different from the anime. Which means... they're probably putting the episodes back into the right order (Haruhi's order by the timeline) for the DVDs.

That's almost a shame but also fricking fascinating if true.

It'd be really interesting if you could choose between two menus --- original order or Suzumiya order :)

Adigard
2006-05-11, 18:31
Which means they're going to need to totally re-do the next episode voice overs. I wonder if they'll put something interesting in there?

Sushi-Y
2006-05-11, 18:42
Which means they're going to need to totally re-do the next episode voice overs. I wonder if they'll put something interesting in there?
Isn't it obvious? The boke & tsukkomi role will swap. :heh:

Kyon: "Next episode, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, episode 5!"
Haruhi: "Wrong! Get your head out of the clouds baka Kyon! Next episode, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, episode 3! Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu III! Eh? Denpa?"

Something like that? :heh:

keke
2006-05-15, 04:16
I have a small question about episode 1

When Mikuru does her Mikuru Beam, what happens? And why does Yuki attack her? It seems like Yuki was trying to cover Mikuru's eye after the flash.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-05-15, 05:07
I have a small question about episode 1

When Mikuru does her Mikuru Beam, what happens? And why does Yuki attack her? It seems like Yuki was trying to cover Mikuru's eye after the flash.
That is not a small question.:heh:

Well, Mikuru was facing Kyon at the time, and quite capable of lethally injuring him with that blast. Yuki shielded Kyon with her hand, then pushed Mikuru down and bitten her to remove Haruhi's "influences"... The details is in a likely future episode.

Catgirls
2006-05-15, 11:21
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LegendsEnd
2006-05-16, 10:34
Any news of an OST for any of the music (op/ed/battle themes from ep 1/etc)?

Anh_Minh
2006-05-17, 16:37
Question: why doesn't Kyon wonder about Mikuru? (I know I do...)

I mean, he said it himself: she looks like she'd be useless even with a weapon. She flinches and cowers all the time. So why was she, of all people, chose to go back into the past?

Yuki was made by weird beings, so even if she's far from perfect, one can think she was the best the data entities could do with their limited understanding of human condition.

Itsuki's powers were given out randomly, and not to many people. Maybe he was the only high schooler or something. So it's not too odd if he has a weird body language.

But Mikuru came from the future. They should have had a planetful of people to pick from, so why did they select her?

PhantomX
2006-05-17, 16:47
Question: why doesn't Kyon wonder about Mikuru? (I know I do...)

I mean, he said it himself: she looks like she'd be useless even with a weapon. She flinches and cowers all the time. So why was she, of all people, chose to go back into the past?

Yuki was made by weird beings, so even if she's far from perfect, one can think she was the best the data entities could do with their limited understanding of human condition.

Itsuki's powers were given out randomly, and not to many people. Maybe he was the only high schooler or something. So it's not too odd if he has a weird body language.

But Mikuru came from the future. They should have had a planetful of people to pick from, so why did they select her?

I don't have factual evidence ... but maybe it's because she's the best type to get close to Kyon (everyone's said he's a key after all; I think this is the most likely)? And she's a pushover so they know that she wouldn't cause any big showdowns with Haruhi. That's my opinion.

Vexx
2006-05-17, 16:52
Question: why doesn't Kyon wonder about Mikuru? (I know I do...)

I mean, he said it himself: she looks like she'd be useless even with a weapon. She flinches and cowers all the time. So why was she, of all people, chose to go back into the past?

Yuki was made by weird beings, so even if she's far from perfect, one can think she was the best the data entities could do with their limited understanding of human condition.

Itsuki's powers were given out randomly, and not to many people. Maybe he was the only high schooler or something. So it's not too odd if he has a weird body language.

But Mikuru came from the future. They should have had a planetful of people to pick from, so why did they select her?

Only my theory but, one word: EXPENDABLE

She's clearly junior rank, no authorization, no weapons -- just observe and report.
Survival is not even a requirement I'd say.


In Itsuki's case... it may have had something to do an initially receptive state of mind. I bet he was almost as serene before he awakened :)

Kinny Riddle
2006-05-18, 07:58
Ever noticed why Kyon adores Mikuru so much? It has nothing to do with being expendable or the sort.

Koizumi suspects that Mikuru was sent by her superiors specifically because of her cuteness, which was Kyon's type, and deliberately making Kyon swoon for her (and perhaps eventually making him ignore Haruhi so as to achieve her superior's objective, which is still unknown). Kyon of course thinks Koizumi's accusations were total BS, so Koizumi never dwelt any further on that.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-05-18, 10:48
Where did this show come from and why the heck is it suddenly in almost everybody's sig. Secondly how good can a show be to suddenly jump to near first place on ANN all time anime ranking in less than a month and after only 7 episodes. I'm sorry but I'm just really confused is this a fad or something.

C.A.
2006-05-18, 11:00
Where did this show come from and why the heck is it suddenly in almost everybody's sig. Secondly how good can a show be to suddenly jump to near first place on ANN all time anime ranking in less than a month and after only 7 episodes. I'm sorry but I'm just really confused is this a fad or something.

Haruhiism is more than a just fad, its a whole new religion.

The show comes from a set of novels written by Tanigawa Nagaru, its an award winning novel.

Kinny Riddle
2006-05-18, 11:03
Haruhiism is more than a just fad, its a whole new religion.

The show comes from a set of novels written by Tanigawa Nagaru, its an award winning novel.
To quote from the eternal Haruhi-ism quote, as seen in C.A.'s sig, even if it may end as "just another fad" in this universe, it will live on in another parallel universe, forever perpetuating until all the multiverses are filled with at least one Haruhi-ist in each of them.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-05-18, 11:17
Okay this is just getting weird, are there subliminal messages in this show that are turning people into worshippers. Fanatacism is never a good sign and might explain why this show got such a high rating on ANN. This better be really good. A show can not be a religion by the way, it can only advocate one.

dkellis
2006-05-18, 11:18
Okay seriously why is it so insanely popular?

Personally, I think that it's because it does the right things at the right time. It is popular because it does popular things, and a great many people find, quite individually, that they like it. The high production quality and the character personalities do help, of course. (As does the highly infectious ending theme.)

I know at least two people who don't like it, and the reasons they don't like it are exactly opposite. One says that there is not enough factor A and too much factor B, another says there is too much factor A and not enough factor B. And really, both can be absolutely correct.

EDIT: Generally, I think that the "worshipping" thing is, seriously speaking, just mostly done in a sort of humour. It's along the lines of Discordianism or the Flying Spaghetti Monster: most people, if in an utterly serious situation, would admit to not really believing in it, but there will be some who do (not that it's a bad thing, I think).

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-05-18, 11:21
Okay seriously why is it so insanely popular? I'm downloading an episode to watch and this better be something really special and not just another furor over a pretty new series as usually seems to be the case. I'm still not convinced why this is so highly rated based off of what I've read about it from a variety of websites. To me it seems like a wacky antics type show. These can be good, but I doubt that good. We shall see. Just playing the devil's advocate by the way.
You can't be a Devil's Advocate unless you actually know anything about what you are talking about. We don't need to convince you why we rated the show so highly, since frankly, we don't really care if you hate the show or not. Kyoto Animation doesn't owe you money. You have no right to demand anything, especially since you haven't spent any money.

Those who just want to complain can get lost. We don't need the "This show is overated!" "This show sucks! And I will watch it every week so I can tell you how much each new episode sucks!" trolls.

Okay this is just getting weird, are there subliminal messages in this show that are turning people into worshippers. Fanatacism is never a good sign and might explain why this show got such a high rating on ANN. This better be really good. A show can not be a religion by the way, it can only advocate one.
Watch it already, or stop trolling.

I have a suspicion about you...

dkellis
2006-05-18, 11:42
I believe that just as SHnY doesn't need posts that troll by slamming on the show just to get a reaction, we also don't need posts that are fanatical to the degree that any dissenting opinion is immediately shouted down.

Regardless of whatever the show (and the "Haruhiism" bit) purports, we don't really need a religious war.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-05-18, 11:46
I believe that just as SHnY doesn't need posts that troll by slamming on the show just to get a reaction, we also don't need posts that are fanatical to the degree that any dissenting opinion is immediately shouted down.

Regardless of whatever the show (and the "Haruhiism" bit) purports, we don't really need a religious war.


Is this Haruhiism thing a part of the show, where its a joke about the main character converting people to a cause. I think I'm really starting to get part of the shows popularity, much of it comes as part of a theme presented in the show right. If that's the case people should distinguish between ranking the show exceptionally high and promoting the show as part of an in-joke.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-05-18, 11:47
You'll note the closest I came to insulting the show would be referring to it as a wacky antics type show. You'll also note I said that can make for a great show if done right. I never once insulted the show.
By the very fact that you already pre-judge the show before watching any of it (with no intention of ever watching it unless we some how "convince" you that it's worthy of your attention), I already know more about you than ever thought possible.

More importantly, you wondered why it was so highly rated. The fact that you thought you know better about the show than us just because you read a few descriptions. The fact that you seriously believed that the show has subliminal messages to thank for it's popularity, rather than, say, it actually being a good show...:frustrated:

As for who I think you are, since you asked?
Someone who is uptight about religion and has no sense of humour. Who considers himself a connoisseur and holds no respect for the animation studios. I'll be lucky if you are not a Fundamentalist.

If that's the case people should distinguish between ranking the show exceptionally high and promoting the show as part of an in-joke.
Why? Because YOU want us to?
It appears my suspicions were absolutely correct.

C.A.
2006-05-18, 11:47
I believe that just as SHnY doesn't need posts that troll by slamming on the show just to get a reaction, we also don't need posts that are fanatical to the degree that any dissenting opinion is immediately shouted down.

Regardless of whatever the show (and the "Haruhiism" bit) purports, we don't really need a religious war.

I do agree with that, as much as I wish more people to be Haruhists.

Thats why in my anti-trolling posts, I mention that Haruhiism cannot be spread by word. The only way Haruhiism spreads and touch people is by the show itself.

Also like I mention in the Suzumiya Haruhu thread that a Haruhi gene may be needed. The gene for people to be able to grasp the overwhelming transfer of data from the show.

Adigard
2006-05-18, 11:52
Is this Haruhiism thing a part of the show


The Haruhi-ism notion seems to be based off a scene at the end of the OP, when Haruhi is standing next to the show's semi-trademark "H" and the word Haruhi-ism. It's probably got more to do with the viral spread and succes of the show, and less to do with any sort of... err... religious trappings.

If you want to avoid the troll moniker that's getting thrown around (rightfully atm)... you really should... I dunno...

Watch
the
show

You know, the one you're trying to carry on a conversation about? It's in a foreign language. If you're so worried about getting messed up by subliminals from a language I have to assume you don't natively speak... You probably shouldn't be watching random things that people recommend anyway. Give it a few episodes and then come back and try a stab at intelligent conversation. 'cause atm, that's not where this is heading ^_^

Kaioshin Sama
2006-05-18, 11:55
Hahahaha Me a fundamentalist, I love this, I'm one of the most easygoing atheist type people on the planet. I also have deep respect for certain studios like Bones, Sunrise and Studio Pierrot. I'll admit one thing and thats that I have a slight bias against New anime that suddenly becomes incredibly popular as most of the time it is a fad and blows over fairly quickly, mostly because people tend to overrate them and it takes fans further away from the classics that I dearly love. I always start of watching new anime as a skeptic. I'm sure if I came in here ranting and raving about how great the show was off the bat without having watched any, you'd be singing a different song Valiant, am I right. For now I will shut up and watch the show.

dkellis
2006-05-18, 11:58
I think everyone's getting a mite too defensive on all sides.

Basically, if you want to know why we like the show, the obvious thing to do is to watch it. If you don't like it, that's fine. SHnY is, like every other show out there, not for everyone. You're free to state why you don't like it, with reasons and calm rational discussion.

If you do like it, that's great. But getting defensive about the show and slamming everyone who dislikes it (and says so) is not productive.

Let's keep the personal attacks down, please. I know I'm not a mod, and I don't have any more say than anyone else on the forum, but I don't want this forum to turn into a flamefest for both sides.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-05-18, 12:03
Hahahaha Me a fundamentalist, I love this, I'm one of the most easygoing atheist type people on the planet. I also have deep respect for certain studios like Bones, Sunrise and Studio Pierrot. I'll admit one thing and thats that I have a slight bias against New anime that suddenly becomes incredibly popular as most of the time it is a fad and blows over fairly quickly, mostly because people tend to overrate them and it takes fans further away from the classics that I dearly love. I always start of watching new anime as a skeptic. I'm sure if I came in here ranting and raving about how great the show was off the bat without having watched any, you'd be singing a different song Valiant, am I right. For now I will shut up and watch the show.
Trust me, we can tell if you gave praises about the show without knowing anything about it.
I won't have gotten upset over it, of course, but that would be only because I would consider you to either be drunk or under medical influence.

And being "over-rated"?

That is one of the words I truly despise. That's a word used to insult a show not for its content, but for it's supposed over-popularity. No truly bad show could be over-rated, as people don't rate such shows at all. The only reason anything is called over-rated, is because someone didn't like a show that was popular to others.

Since even the very best shows other there are not for everyone, nearly all shows that have fans could be considered over-rated by some people. Thus "over-rated" is a meaningless term that serves no constructive purpose as criticism.

Adigard
2006-05-18, 12:17
Nowadays the Haruhi subforum seems a little less active, but i still see like 50 people viewing the section.

The subforum has some serious downtime depending on the current cycle. The show airs raw, and people spend a few days joking about the raw without really being able to understand exactly whats happening. That lasts for about two days, then it slows down again while people await the fansub.

Then the fansub hits, and people repeat the cycle all over again. Except this time the folks who avoid raw's chime in as well. We have a few days of conversation, talking about the humor, the direction of the show, as well as the funky episode order... then we settle down for a few days until the next raw comes out... and the cycle begins anew again.

Also, with most of our wonderful and dedicated novel translators being busy with RL things, the novel translation has stalled a bit. Perfectly understandable after all... it's not like people are getting paid for it (and the critically important Vol1 is fully translated already) ^_^

We've also passed the halfway mark for the show's run so it's also possible that many of the bandwagon jumper's have moved on to greener pastures.


And being "over-rated"?
That is one of the words I truly despise. That's a word used to insult a show not for its content, but for it's supposed over-popularity. No truly bad show could be over-rated, as people don't rate such shows at all. The only reason anything is called over-rated, is because someone didn't like a show that was popular to others.

We don't need a rehash of the old over-rated vs. over-hyped debate that's raged across the internet, right? ^_^
Over-rated: To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.
Over-hyped: To promote or publicize to excess: Promoters grossly overhyped the movie.

There's nothing wrong with not understanding grass roots fan-based hype. People who come into the show late are going to have very very high expectations of the show... and to be honest... it's very possible the show won't deliver. After all, it's not for everyone. So it's perfectly acceptable to come into the show now and find it over-hyped. On the other hand... if you're turned off from a show because all your peers are talking about it, you probably have some pretty serious issues.

If the show is legitimately over-hyped by the shows promoter's and the end-product doesn't live up to the hype, the over-hyped term applies perfectly. If, on the other hand you feel your peer's are spending too much time talking about a show... well... umm... maybe you're just an elitist who can only enjoy the niche shows. But those people are weird.

Catgirls
2006-05-18, 13:06
Eureka seven? What the hell? :eyebrow:

/Edit: Okay then...please try to keep this thread on topic. Thanks. :)

/Edit2: Oh and please try to remember: this thread is for Questions and Answers and Show Facts. Try to take other discussion either to PM or request another thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31021). This thread is not for general discussion. Thanks tons. Love you guys! Cheers! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/catgirl.gif

Katapan
2006-05-18, 13:51
I'd like to ask a question to novel readers, after seeing the "SOS Dan Relation Chart" that Kinny Riddle posted.

Could someone please explain what were the actual circumstances leading to Itsuki's and Mikuru's "crushes"? Sorry, but this spoilerish picture just turned me into a crazy fanboy. :o
I'm going to wait until the end of the 14 episodes before reading the novels, but I can't hold back concerning that. And since I fear it may not get animated any time soon... I'd be very glad to have the situation explained to me. Thanks to whoever can help. :)

Sushi-Y
2006-05-18, 14:12
I'd like to ask a question to novel readers, after seeing the "SOS Dan Relation Chart" that Kinny Riddle posted.

Could someone please explain what were the actual circumstances leading to Itsuki's and Mikuru's "crushes"? Sorry, but this spoilerish picture just turned me into a crazy fanboy. :o
I'm going to wait until the end of the 14 episodes before reading the novels, but I can't hold back concerning that. And since I fear it may not get animated any time soon... I'd be very glad to have the situation explained to me. Thanks to whoever can help. :)
It's nothing that blatant,

First of all, Snow Mountain Syndrome is a story about SOS-dan being trapped inside a mysterious empty mansion by a blizzard.

At one point in the story, when everyone's at their own bedrooms, Mikuru came into Kyon's room wearing nothing but a shirt, climbed onto his bed, leaned up against him, and...

Ahem, anyway, in the end, "Mikuru" ran away, and when Kyon chased her out into the hallway, he finds that ALL the other members are doing exactly the same thing as him: standing in front of their doors.

Apparently, all the members saw similar things happen in their rooms as well. For Haruhi, it was Kyon who came into her room, and according to Haruhi: "saying... and doing things that's not like you at all" ( :heh: ). For Mikuru, it was Haruhi who showed up in her room (ahem, :heh: ). For Koizumi, it was Kyon as well. :heh: (but for the record, Koizumi said it was unpleasent for him)

As for Yuki, she lifted her spaced-out looking face quietly, stared straight at Kyon, and said
"You"
in a whispering voice, then she quietly closed her eyes.
And then--------

*SUM SHOCKING STUF HAPPENS* :heh:

Well, anyone with BL-minds probably took that and amplified it in their heads 100 times, hence the BL jokes.

Katapan
2006-05-18, 14:39
It's nothing that blatant,

First of all, Snow Mountain Syndrome is a story about SOS-dan being trapped inside a mysterious empty mansion by a blizzard.

At one point in the story, when everyone's at their own bedrooms, Mikuru came into Kyon's room wearing nothing but a shirt, climbed onto his bed, leaned up against him, and...

Ahem, anyway, in the end, "Mikuru" ran away, and when Kyon chased her out into the hallway, he finds that ALL the other members are doing exactly the same thing as him: standing in front of their doors.

Apparently, all the members saw similar things happen in their rooms as well. For Haruhi, it was Kyon who came into her room, and according to Haruhi: "saying... and doing things that's not like you at all" ( :heh: ). For Mikuru, it was Haruhi who showed up in her room (ahem, :heh: ). For Koizumi, it was Kyon as well. :heh: (but for the record, Koizumi said it was unpleasent for him)

As for Yuki, she lifted her spaced-out looking face quietly, stared straight at Kyon, and said
"You"
in a whispering voice, then she quietly closed her eyes.
And then--------

*SUM SHOCKING STUF HAPPENS* :heh:

Well, anyone with BL-minds probably took that and amplified it in their heads 100 times, hence the BL jokes.

Well, that surely wasn't anything very suggestive but damn, that definitely sounds like a truly funny moment. I want to imagine the reactions now. :heh:
I can only hope for this part to be animated some day. Thanks a ton! :)

Kinny Riddle
2006-05-19, 12:10
Lol, someone better translate that chapter NOW XD
Before that, one needs to read volume 4 first. Be patient. :D

The imposter SOS Dan members in their rooms were all created by Yuki as a hint to Kyon to solve the puzzle needed to escape the mansion.

But as to whether Yuki really liked Kyon (or Koizumi being a flaming homo and Mikuru actually enjoying getting molested by Haruhi) is still debateable, but Yuki really worked to exhaustion trying to get everyone to escape.

This would surely inspire tonnes of hentai and yaoi/yuri doujinshis. I can't wait. :D

PhantomX
2006-05-20, 02:20
It seems that there are novels that are very linear and story-centric (like 1 and 4) which are interspersed by lighter, more short story type novels (like 2 and 3). I think that everything is important in its own way though ... and I know a couple of short story events are referred to.

C.A.
2006-05-20, 09:00
Alright, I have a question here:

Why can't people see what's happening in episode 1? I mean those who watched the entire episode and still don't know that its an amateur student film. Its worse for those who deleted the video after watching 5 minutes or something.

Its good that theres people who didn't enjoy episode 1 but still watched and enjoyed episode 2. But the effect is totally different, without fully understanding the brilliance of episode 1, you miss a large portion of the story. Its one of the reasons why some people who have followed the show find the show confusing and hard to understand.

Why can't people see the brilliance and importance of episode 1? I'm sure those who understood episode 1 would rank it as one of the best, if not the best episode so far.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-20, 09:34
Alright, I have a question here:

Why can't people see what's happening in episode 1? I mean those who watched the entire episode and still don't know that its an amateur student film. Its worse for those who deleted the video after watching 5 minutes or something.

Its good that theres people who didn't enjoy episode 1 but still watched and enjoyed episode 2. But the effect is totally different, without fully understanding the brilliance of episode 1, you miss a large portion of the story. Its one of the reasons why some people who have followed the show find the show confusing and hard to understand.

Why can't people see the brilliance and importance of episode 1? I'm sure those who understood episode 1 would rank it as one of the best, if not the best episode so far.

this haruhi's way of weeding the exciting special people from the boring normal ones ;)

if they are turned off by ep 1, haruhi don't need them. :D

xris
2006-05-20, 09:37
Alright, I have a question here:
OK people this has gone on long enough.

Please have a look at the purpose of this thread.
This thread is for those with questions about the Suzumiya Haruhi (also known as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) anime, novel and manga. Please keep discussion about episodes in the relevant threads, the purpose of this thread is to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime, novel or manga.
Your question "Why can't people see what's happening in episode 1" isn't something that can be answered based on facts. While it may be a valid point of discussion, this thread isn't the place to do it.

Plus, the recent discussion has been centered around the posts from Kaioshin_Sama, which in all honesty in the context of this thread (and I must say, in the context of this forum), should be just treated as flame-bait or trolling. All I can do is suggest everyone stop replying and posting concerning the comments made. If someone doesn't like the show, fine, but it has nothing to do with the Q & A thread.

If there are further posts of this nature, they are going to be deleted since they are off-topic.

arias
2006-05-20, 17:41
Damn.. I wanted to post a new topic in this board but I don't have the privileges. This a sad day.. I wanted to pose a question and a poll to all of you fans out there, particularly those who have read the novels:

Do you think Suzumiya Haruhi will be a tsundere? :D:D

Word definition of "tsundere" is given here (by kj1980): http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911

Catgirls
2006-05-20, 18:40
Damn.. I wanted to post a new topic in this board but I don't have the privileges. This a sad day.. I wanted to pose a question and a poll to all of you fans out there, particularly those who have read the novels: Hi ya. :)

Feel free to post a request for a new thread/poll here -- Requests for new threads (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31021) -- Hope that helps. Cheers. :)

martino
2006-05-25, 16:57
Hi,

I live in UK and my Japanese is more like non-existent I'm so limited to the fansubbed releases and I want to know which way is it best to watch the series? In chronological order or the way it was shown on TV???

Thanks

Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 17:05
Hi,

I live in UK and my Japanese is more like non-existent I'm so limited to the fansubbed releases and I want to know which way is it best to watch the series? In chronological order or the way it was shown on TV???

Thanks

anyway you like.

I personally watch mine in the bathroom. but then again, im lazy. :D

Adigard
2006-05-25, 17:07
Hi,
I'm so limited to the fansubbed releases and I want to know which way is it best to watch the series? In chronological order or the way it was shown on TV???

Well, if you don't enjoy the scatter-shot way that KyoAni is releasing the episodes, you're perfectly welcome to store the fansubs until the entire show has been released and then watch them in the correct order.

No one is forcing you to watch the show out of order after all ^_^

martino
2006-05-25, 17:17
Tempting to store them and not watch them!!!

What's up with this strange order anyway???

Sushi-Y
2006-05-25, 17:50
Tempting to store them and not watch them!!!

What's up with this strange order anyway???
Most likely a homage to the original novel, since the novel also featured non-linear story arrangements (see here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=541848&postcount=80)).

I'd just watch the anime in the order that they're aired. If you watch them in the correct chronological order, you'll end up finishing the main story halfway through and stuck with a bunch of filler stories.

martino
2006-05-25, 18:00
But will it make sense to me if I watch it that way as sometimes it takes a bit longer for me to figure out that the hell is going on?

panzerfan
2006-05-25, 18:03
That's a question nobody knows the answer to atm since the story has not been fully presented yet... I will try to watch the series in Haruhi order and see how it goes.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 18:24
But will it make sense to me if I watch it that way as sometimes it takes a bit longer for me to figure out that the hell is going on?

only way for you to truly understand it, is to look to the source. The novels.

*shameless Novel Translation Project plug*

;)

Adigard
2006-05-25, 21:28
But will it make sense to me if I watch it that way as sometimes it takes a bit longer for me to figure out that the hell is going on?

That's something only you can answer. The show's half way over... has it made sense thus far? If you can't figure it out from watching the next episode previews, then maybe storing up the episodes isn't such a bad idea.

Personally I think most people in these forums would argue you'd be better off watching it in the method the creator's had intedned... but that's up to your personal preferences.

martino
2006-05-26, 05:56
So far I watched all the fansubbed ones in chronological order, which is kinda weird...well anyway it made sense so far. I guess I'll go and watch them in the "normal" order as you suggested. Thanks!!!

iamandragon
2006-05-26, 06:56
Hi,

I live in UK and my Japanese is more like non-existent I'm so limited to the fansubbed releases and I want to know which way is it best to watch the series? In chronological order or the way it was shown on TV???

Thanks

The best way is to put all episodes in windows media player and turn on 'shuffle' function.(you can do it with other video players as long as they can mess up the orders)
I do that everytime a new episode is out(of course, after watching the latest first)

passin'gass
2006-05-30, 07:10
This snippet in another forum really got me exited:

"...And clearly it was not the “last” episode as was intended in the number count.(Oh, KyoAni is so doing a second season, the sneaky bastards.)"...

Question is, can someone verify?

C.A.
2006-05-30, 07:13
This snippet in another forum really got me exited:

"...And clearly it was not the “last” episode as was intended in the number count.(Oh, KyoAni is so doing a second season, the sneaky bastards.)"...

Question is, can someone verify?

Well, I think the opinion here is quite divided. Some of us think that it is indeed a hint, others say that kyoani doesnt have time for another Haruhi season yet, they are busy with other new anime.

But personally I think theres a high chance for a 2nd season, as the show is very popular and theres enough material in the novels for at least 2 more seasons.

hamiko_san
2006-05-31, 06:55
10 things more, you never know.

C.A.
2006-05-31, 12:52
So is she really an alien?

Who are you refering to?

So far the anime has revealed one alien and that is Yuki.

But there are other aliens in the novels, we will see one in episode 10.

Sushi-Y
2006-05-31, 16:52
This snippet in another forum really got me exited:

"...And clearly it was not the “last” episode as was intended in the number count.(Oh, KyoAni is so doing a second season, the sneaky bastards.)"...

Question is, can someone verify?
I don't really understand that quote, but the last anime episode (timeline wise) is "Someday in the Rain", which sets the limit of the anime coverage to late November in the novel (any events occuring after that, such as December's Shoushitsu, Snow Mountain trip, etc. and beyond, are out of the picture). The director (Ishihara Tatsuya) himself confirmed that "Someday in the Rain" is indeed the final episode in the timeline series, so we know that the season is definitely ending with 14 episodes.

As for a second season, that's definitely a possibility. The "ending" of this season was quite open ended (then again, every story in the novel was open ended), so a second season featuring Shoushitsu (maybe even Inbou) as its main is perfectly plausible.

But possible or not, it's not going to happen anytime soon. With the Kanon remake coming up in Fall and lasting 2-cours (24-26 episodes) (Kanon will also be using key staff members from Haruhi, such as the director), Kyoani's probably not going to have the resources to work on a "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Season 2" anytime soon. Like I mentioned in another post, if they're going to announce something, they'll most likely do it at the end of broadcast (like JC Staff did with the Shana movie) (it'll be funny if they do announce a Haruhi movie though, 2007 will become an Itou Noizi movie festival ^^; ). Otherwise, you probably won't hear anything about Haruhi again until Kanon's nearing it's end (early 2007), if at all.

Akito
2006-06-01, 16:17
I'm not sure if this had already been asked, but here it goes:

What type is Suzumiya Haruhi? (personality or character 'staple')


Tsundere???

C.A.
2006-06-01, 16:18
I'm not sure if this had already been asked, but here it goes:

What type is Suzumiya Haruhi? (personality or character 'staple')


Tsundere???

Yep, definitely tsundere. Pretty obvious I think.

Vexx
2006-06-01, 16:37
Warp factor Tsundere.... but her own unique twists (as all good characters should have some twist out of the archetype or they'd be boring).

Akito
2006-06-01, 16:40
Warp factor Tsundere.... but her own unique twists (as all good characters should have some twist out of the archetype or they'd be boring).

Well I see that Haruhi is so unique that is making the anime so popular.
different from like Shana that is explicitly tsundere.

the kind of tsundere of Haruhi is sometimes not so annoying as Shana´s.

Haruhii suki!!!!!!

C.A.
2006-06-01, 16:46
Well in this story, the archetypes are taken to extremes. Like I've never seen any other character that glows with moeness as much as Mikuru or a character that matches Yuki's level of quietness.

Haruhi's tsundere level is taken to such extremes that she totally hates humans in the first place but actually falls in love with one really annoying human lol.

edit: One other extreme archetype would be Tsuruya lol, shes probably the most hyper genki girl ever.

iamandragon
2006-06-02, 21:43
Why is everyone comparing Shana with Haruhi? True the art illustrator is the same person, but the authors are different!

Vexx
2006-06-02, 23:46
I'm not sure why the authors being the same or different is relative here.... the discussion is over character archetypes. Can Haruhi be considered a derivative of the "tsundere" archetype? She has many elements of the "violent but cute and secretly cuddly" type but she has her own features that may be unique.

Sushi-Y
2006-06-03, 00:09
I'm not sure why the authors being the same or different is relative here.... the discussion is over character archetypes. Can Haruhi be considered a derivative of the "tsundere" archetype? She has many elements of the "violent but cute and secretly cuddly" type but she has her own features that may be unique.
Haruhi is a tsundere, she's just a rare case because her dere% is far lower than the usual tsundere character.

Average tsunderes have a good balance of tsun and dere (70/30, 50/50, 40/60, etc.), Haruhi, on the other hand, is more like 90% tsun / 10% dere. As a result, some people might not recognize her dere as dere. But even though her dere is rare, as long as it's there, Haruhi counts as a tsundere.

(In fact, some people probably like Haruhi because she has the 90/10 mix. It makes her dere all the more significant and, er, valuable?)

Vexx
2006-06-03, 00:15
(obligatory applause for the absolutely terrible rhyming) :) ;)

eVaX
2006-06-03, 02:11
In fact, some people probably like Haruhi because she has the 90/10 mix. It makes her dere all the more significant and, er, valuable?)

I generally agree with the tsun>dere statement for that reason.

Guess thats why I dislike Belldandy, among other reasons, since she's like a 100% dere with her constant diabetic-inducing sweetness.

But I didn't really like Naru's "I'll roundhouse kick you in the face every single time you look at me" from LH either, even though she had a very high tsun %. Haruhi has that insane/naive tsun persona that's irresistable.

Guess in the end, it is how likeable the character is in overall and not the tsundere combination.

Question: So is there actually a sequel to Mikurun-run in the novel? Or did Haruhi just make a huge fat lie?

iamandragon
2006-06-03, 05:36
Haruhi is only dere because of the anime...blame the anime and read the novel...

Anyways when I watch the anime again(which is the 8th time now...played in 'shuffle' mode on my windows media player), Haruhi's doesn't seem tsun to me...she's just very self-centered...

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-03, 07:23
Question: So is there actually a sequel to Mikurun-run in the novel? Or did Haruhi just make a huge fat lie?
Haruhi is not inclinded to lying... She can lie, but I don't see why she would want to in this case.

After all, Harhi enjoyed making the first movie, and has no reason to not make another. Sure, it causes major issues (lots of closed-space problems... You may or may not see an explanation in future episodes, but it's related to the anomalies in episode 00, like the talking cat or the Mikuru beam.) for Kyon and the gang, but Haruhi doesn't know that.

M.D. Geist
2006-06-03, 15:19
Can anybody tell me how haruhi is broadcasted ?!

Is it HD like 720i / p or just normal pal resolution (or even lower)?

Some say these 1280x720 (@120fps) are just upscaled, however they do look better than afks 640x360 ...

Or does it use a resolution like 8xx * 6xx ? *confused*

Sushi-Y
2006-06-03, 15:29
Question: So is there actually a sequel to Mikurun-run in the novel? Or did Haruhi just make a huge fat lie?
As of now (volume 8, March in the novel), no, not yet. But knowing Tanigawa Nagaru, he usually follows up on his forshadowings/underplots. Maybe we'll see a new "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken" when the new school year starts.

Haruhi is only dere because of the anime...blame the anime and read the novel...
Haruhi's dere is more subtle in the novel, but it's there (hence my comment "some people might not recognize her dere as dere").

- The ponytail is a good example.
- Shoushitsu's (vol.4) ending scene at the hospital was another.
- Near the end of Inbou (vol.7), Haruhi gave her hand-made chocolate (cake), which took her all night to make, to Kyon on Valentine day while making a bunch of excuses about it.
- Even the last scene in "Editor In Chief ★ Straight Ahead!" (vol.8), where Haruhi showed an unnatural level of interest for Kyon's "former girlfriend" (she pushed him to the ground and rode on top of him :heh: ) are all signs of Haruhi's dere.

Anyways when I watch the anime again(which is the 8th time now...played in 'shuffle' mode on my windows media player), Haruhi's doesn't seem tsun to me...she's just very self-centered...
A character is tsundere when she (or he) takes on a very harsh and unkind attitude (tsuntsun) towards the main character at first, but over time, begins to show signs of affection and care (deredere) for the main character. There are various tsundere types. Before she cut her hair, Haruhi was a Loner tsundere type. After the SOS-dan was created, Haruhi became an Arrogant/High Pride tsundere.

(Since it sounds like you can read Japanese) Refer to the Japanese wiki entry on tsundere (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%84%E3%83%B3%E3%83%87%E3%83%AC) for more info. Notice how Haruhi is listed on the tsundere list as well.

Can anybody tell me how haruhi is broadcasted ?!

Is it HD like 720i / p or just normal pal resolution (or even lower)?

Some say these 1280x720 (@120fps) are just upscaled, however they do look better than afks 640x360 ...

Or does it use a resolution like 8xx * 6xx ? *confused*
Here's a post from a while ago where I noted the difference between the hi-res and the normal version:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=528122&postcount=434

The hi-res version isn't HD (it if was, the file size would've been ridiculous). I heard Chiba TV is offering HD contents for their programs, but I don't think that applies to this either.

The important thing is that the hi-res versions do look far better than the regular 704x396 versions, that's all that matters to me.

Mecha_Trueno
2006-06-03, 17:44
hey btw, what does the M stand for on their uniform? is it the name of their school or something?... hmm... what is the name of their school anyway

Sushi-Y
2006-06-03, 18:26
*twitch* O_o
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5595/p1557ez.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1557ez.jpg)
:heh:

Sush, we really need you to give us, or at least me, a concise summary of Volume 8.. I can't wait forever for the chinese version.............. T__T
Wouldn't it be more fun to find out for yourself? :heh:

Anyway, I can provide a short summary, in case people want to know what it's about. I'm going to avoid significant spoilers though, so it won't be a "complete" summary.

Volume 8 (涼宮ハルヒの憤慨, Suzumiya Haruhi no Fungai) is made up of two medium-sized stories,
"Editor In Chief ★ Straight Ahead!" (編集長★一直線!) and "Wandering Shadow" (ワンダリング・シャドウ).

This story takes place near the end of the term (Februray~March).

One day, out of the blue, the student council suddenly called Yuki out and declared that unless the Literature club (Yuki's original club) publishes something within the next week, the Literature club will be disbanded, which means the club room (currently taken over by the SOS-dan, which is not recognized by the school) will have to be vacated and returned to the school. It was clear that the student council president was using this as an excuse to get rid of the SOS-dan.

Haruhi finds out, and naturally, declares war on the president, and took up the task of creating a student magazine in order to save the Literature club (and their room). Haruhi gave herself the role of "Editor-in-Chief" and demanded one piece of fiction from each of the SOS-dan members (+ from innocent bystanders like Taniguchi and Tsuruya-san). Through lottery drawing, the topic were distributed like this:

Mikuru: Fairy-tale
Yuki: Fantasy Horror
Koizumi: Mystery
Kyon: Romance

After this, the SOS-dan entered crunch mode, throughout the story, we got to see various interesting "work in progresses" from Mikuru and Yuki. (Mikuru's fairy-tale featured Mikuru's own drawings, but the story made no sense because Haruhi kept on modifying her own historical warfare contents into Mikuru's fairy-tale :heh:. Yuki's fantasy horror actually provided a surprising look into her inner thoughts.)

Nobody wants to read Koizumi's mystery, so it wasn't mentioned at all. :heh:

Finally, Kyon's romance novel. After much pain and deliberation, Kyon finally wrote a story (well, more like a journal) about a time when he went to watch a movie with a girl back when he was in the 3rd year of junior high. Koizumi, however, noticed that the story had a hidden twist to it through the various "clues" left behind by Kyon. In the end, what Kyon has written isn't a romance story at all (it's not even fiction).

Haruhi, on the other hand, didn't notice the clues and demanded to know who the girl was, which resulted in the horseride scene above. :heh:

In the epilogue, they somehow managed to complete and publish the Literature club magazine, and the student council allowed the Literature club to remain (although they still won't admit SOS-dan's existence).

Oh yeah, Kimidori Emiri returned in this story as the student council clerk. We find out in this story that there's more to her than what we thought...



This story is very similiar to "Mysterious Sign" as it involves the SOS-dan accepting an investigation request from a fellow student.

The story takes place in the lazy days of early March, the final exams are all over, and all that's left for the students is to wait until spring break (and after that, a new school year).

One day, a classmate named Sakanaka-san showed up at the club room and asked Haruhi for help with a certain problem: she thinks there might be a ghost in her neighbourhood.

Apprantely, Sakanaka is a dog-lover herself, and walks her dog (it's name is Rousseau, a West Highland White Terrier. Haruhi calls it "J.J.", for some reason) everyday. But one day, her dog suddenly began avoiding going into a certain area on their walk path. And after asking around, she finds that other dog-owners in the area are having the same problem too: their dogs won't go into that certain area either. On top of that, one owner's dog suddenly became mysteriously sick, and had the vets stumped.

Anyway, Haruhi took the usual preparations (dressing Mikuru up in Miko costume, and asking her to learn some exorcism spells) and set out with the whole gang to investigate.

Upon arriving at the scene, through J.J.'s help, Koizumi finds that the "dog repelling zone" is a circular area originating from the riverside. The gang heads there, and Haruhi got Mikuru to recite the Heart Sutra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Sutra) (which, as pointed out by Kyon, is probably sacriligious, since the Heart Sutra is a Buddhism mantra, while Mikuru's Miko look is representative of the Shinto religion. :heh: ).

Soon after that, they encountered a jogger running past them with his dog. Surprised, Haruhi asked him how he got his dog to enter the area. The jogger said his dog didn't want to enter the area at first either, but after forcing the dog into the area a few times, the dog no longer fears the area anymore.

The "mystery" appeared to have been dispelled at this point, but a sudden twist came a few days later, when Sakanaka-san's dog also fell sick, with exactly the same symptoms as the other owner's dog.

The SOS-dan makes a second trip out to Sakanaka-san's place, there, Yuki finds out that the dog is infected with a type of alien mechanical lifeform (virus), which she called a "silicon-based coexisting type information lifeform element" (珪素構造生命体共生型情報生命素子). At this point, Yuki and Kyon began discussing the deeper aspects of how we define "life", as well as about the concept of spirits and souls.

(A memorable moment here is when Kyon asked Yuki whether or not spirits are actually real. Yuki, after showing a troubled look (that only Kyon can tell, of course), made an expression "like someone trying to hold back from laughing at a joke he's about to tell" (that only Kyon can tell, of course), and said

"That's a prohibited subject" ("それは、禁則事項")
(Yuki was copying Mikuru :heh: ))

After figuring out the problem, Kyon and Koizumi deliberated a plan with Yuki to "cure" the dogs by removing the virus from them (Yuki wasn't allowed to destroy them because, according to her creator, they are beneficial existences). To do that, Shamisen was required as a vessel to contain the removed viruses. The procedure was a success (which was performed under the guise of aromatherapy, to fool Haruhi and the dog owners), and the dogs became healthy again.

In the "epilogue", there was a discussion between Kyon and Koizumi about the implications of the incident this time. Kyon mentions the possibility that Haruhi's using her power again to cause odd events to occur again, but Koizumi denies that and says Haruhi's powers has not been used for a quite a while now. As a matter of fact, Haruhi has been absolutely stable for the past few months, and that's the problem. Since Haruhi's so stable, it's possible that some aggressive parties might be itching to cause some troubles (again) in order to get a reaction from Suzumiya Haruhi. The alien virus event this time may just be a sign or premonition to that.

This story really revealed more about Haruhi's personality than anything else. Also, we get a feeling that Kyon has really gotten to know Haruhi's personality after being together with her for a whole year.

Also, like the hints provided in the "epilogue", this story felt like a foreshadowing to another serious big event. Now, since Shoushitsu (vol.4) was a serious story about Yuki, and Inbou (vol.7) was a serious story about Mikuru, maybe we'll finally get a serious Haruhi-story in vol.9? ^^;

Furudanuki
2006-06-04, 21:19
Question for those who have read the chapter of the novel dealing with the events that take place in episode 10 of the anime.
Since it turns out that Ryoko and Yuki are the same type of entity, is there any explanation given as to why they are so radically different in their mannerisms, presence or absence of emotions, and the way they interact with the humans around them?

C.A.
2006-06-04, 21:26
Question for those who have read the chapter of the novel dealing with the events that take place in episode 10 of the anime.
Since it turns out that Ryoko and Yuki are the same type of entity, is there any explanation given as to why they are so radically different in their mannerisms, presence or absence of emotions, and the way they interact with the humans around them?

I'm not very sure and may not be correct but:

Yuki was created specifically for one purpose, observation of Haruhi. Though she's supposed to be 'interactive' as well too lol

Ryoko is Yuki's subordinate, she's probably a 'newer model' a MKII or something. They probably created her with more human emotions and placed her in the same class for direct actions and approach towards Haruhi.

iamandragon
2006-06-04, 22:44
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5595/p1557ez.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1557ez.jpg)
:heh:


Wouldn't it be more fun to find out for yourself? :heh:

Anyway, I can provide a short summary, in case people want to know what it's about. I'm going to avoid significant spoilers though, so it won't be a "complete" summary.

Volume 8 (涼宮ハルヒの憤慨, Suzumiya Haruhi no Fungai) is made up of two medium-sized stories,
"Editor In Chief ★ Straight Ahead!" (編集長★一直線!) and "Wandering Shadow" (ワンダリング・シャドウ).

This story takes place near the end of the term (Februray~March).

One day, out of the blue, the student council suddenly called Yuki out and declared that unless the Literature club (Yuki's original club) publishes something within the next week, the Literature club will be disbanded, which means the club room (currently taken over by the SOS-dan, which is not recognized by the school) will have to be vacated and returned to the school. It was clear that the student council president was using this as an excuse to get rid of the SOS-dan.

Haruhi finds out, and naturally, declares war on the president, and took up the task of creating a student magazine in order to save the Literature club (and their room). Haruhi gave herself the role of "Editor-in-Chief" and demanded one piece of fiction from each of the SOS-dan members (+ from innocent bystanders like Taniguchi and Tsuruya-san). Through lottery drawing, the topic were distributed like this:

Mikuru: Fairy-tale
Yuki: Fantasy Horror
Koizumi: Mystery
Kyon: Romance

After this, the SOS-dan entered crunch mode, throughout the story, we got to see various interesting "work in progresses" from Mikuru and Yuki. (Mikuru's fairy-tale featured Mikuru's own drawings, but the story made no sense because Haruhi kept on modifying her own historical warfare contents into Mikuru's fairy-tale :heh:. Yuki's fantasy horror actually provided a surprising look into her inner thoughts.)

Nobody wants to read Koizumi's mystery, so it wasn't mentioned at all. :heh:

Finally, Kyon's romance novel. After much pain and deliberation, Kyon finally wrote a story (well, more like a journal) about a time when he went to watch a movie with a girl back when he was in the 3rd year of junior high. Koizumi, however, noticed that the story had a hidden twist to it through the various "clues" left behind by Kyon. In the end, what Kyon has written isn't a romance story at all (it's not even fiction).

Haruhi, on the other hand, didn't notice the clues and demanded to know who the girl was, which resulted in the horseride scene above. :heh:

In the epilogue, they somehow managed to complete and publish the Literature club magazine, and the student council allowed the Literature club to remain (although they still won't admit SOS-dan's existence).

Oh yeah, Kimidori Emiri returned in this story as the student council clerk. We find out in this story that there's more to her than what we thought...


That sounds almost right...I'm still stuck at Editor In Chief though, so I havn't read Wandering Shadow.

stormy001_M1A2
2006-06-05, 01:11
Why Haruhi wants horseride Kyon like that? Is she really that jealous?

Prodigious
2006-06-05, 19:52
Here's a post from a while ago where I noted the difference between the hi-res and the normal version:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=528122&postcount=434

The hi-res version isn't HD (it if was, the file size would've been ridiculous). I heard Chiba TV is offering HD contents for their programs, but I don't think that applies to this either.

The important thing is that the hi-res versions do look far better than the regular 704x396 versions, that's all that matters to me.
File size of rips have nothing to do with whether it was originally broadcast in HD or not. Obviously it's compressed by the guys who release these rips. H.264 and Divx 5 can easily compress 25 minutes of 720p video to 400 or even 300 megs. It's not a pristine master quality result, but it does the job. Being in 1280x720 resolution makes a video file high definition, period. The question is whether this is merely created through software scaling by the guys who rip the episodes and put out the torrents(call it cheating if you will), or if it is broadcast natively in HD in Japan.

The fact that there is noticable increase in detail(not just sharpness) in the HD releases leads me to believe that this show was produced and broadcast in HD. If it is just upsampling, kudos to the guys who do it, because it's some of the best results I've seen in upscaled series.

velocity7
2006-06-06, 00:00
From what I can tell visually so to speak, all the 1280x720 versions of the Haruhi episodes look like they were simply upscaled, and don't really show any more detail than what's shown in the initial 704x396 versions. .hack//Roots and Ergo Proxy are good examples of the HD resolution actually being taken advantage of.

rainz
2006-06-06, 06:35
I also couldn't really see any extra details from the 1280x720 versions apart from the increased sharpness. They sure do look good though.

If there's upscaling involved, I guess the question is where that process took place. If it's done by either Kyoto Animation or by the TV channel, at the source, so to speak, then it's understandable that the quality is this high. If it's really done by the guys who ripped the episode, then kudos to them indeed. I wasn't able to get near their level of quality through some uprezzing effort of my own, but of course this is probably also because I'm dealing with compressed files.

NeoSam
2006-06-15, 07:10
The second volume of the manga will be out soon (26/6/2006).

I added its cover to the post with all the light novel and manga covers, which is on the first page of this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=528926&postcount=6).

Biswa
2006-06-15, 18:56
Quick question that i don't know how to search for because i am either lazy or stupid. Enlighten me -- is the story, as far the the novels go, completed? Or are they still releasing novels, thus no definite end to the series yet?

Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-15, 19:13
Currently volume 8 was just release, and from people who have read it, it's not the last one either.

:p

Biswa
2006-06-15, 19:17
Yikes! That'll translate to a lot of episodes, and considering how crazy good the animation for this show is, i doubt they'll make a lot of seaons of this stuff, right? :( ohh man, from what i've seen i really like the show but... oh well! Thanks, GTO.

Aiya Kasai
2006-06-18, 19:49
Does anyone know what the main site is for Suzumiya Haruhi? Sorry if this has already been asked...but my sister can't remember the site name

Catgirls
2006-06-18, 20:56
Does anyone know what the main site is for Suzumiya Haruhi? Sorry if this has already been asked...but my sister can't remember the site nameThe official site is here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/outlink.gif http://www.haruhi.tv/

Kyoto Animation's site is here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/outlink.gif http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/haruhi/

Both of those are Japanese.

RiXeD
2006-06-20, 18:48
So, can someone spoil me to death by telling me
Who the heck is John Smith?!

panzerfan
2006-06-20, 18:58
So, can someone spoil me to death by telling me
Who the heck is John Smith?!


None other than the narriator himself... there's bizzare circumstances around that

RiXeD
2006-06-20, 19:28
None other than the narriator himself... there's bizzare circumstances around that


Nah, I know that much myself. I just want to know more. And spoiling won`t affect me cos most likely I will never read all novels lol.

CrowKenobi
2006-06-20, 22:18
Nah, I know that much myself. I just want to know more. And spoiling won`t affect me cos most likely I will never read all novels lol. Kinny Riddle spoils it all here (up to volume 6): http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=558949&postcount=4

Be prepared to be wowed! :D

Aiya Kasai
2006-06-21, 01:27
I am going to ask a very good question that I have been wondering!!!! Is there any other girls here except for me and my sis. I mean I see all these guys thinking Haruhi in a maid's outfit is hot...but where are the fangirls? I mean for Kyon(cough)...never hear anything about him (cough sarcasim for that comment cough).

*looks around* anyone...? anyone..?

diopter
2006-06-21, 02:11
edited: Got my answer albeit unexpectedly :).

RiXeD
2006-06-21, 04:56
Kinny Riddle spoils it all here (up to volume 6): http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=558949&postcount=4

Be prepared to be wowed! :D


Arghhhh! Confusing! I had to read it like 3 times before I finally understood (well, english is not my national language so it may be my crappy language skills`fault lol xD)

Vexx
2006-06-21, 12:09
I am going to ask a very good question that I have been wondering!!!! Is there any other girls here except for me and my sis. I mean I see all these guys thinking Haruhi in a maid's outfit is hot...but where are the fangirls? I mean for Kyon(cough)...never hear anything about him (cough sarcasim for that comment cough).

*looks around* anyone...? anyone..?

I'm pretty sure we have a handful of femme regular posters but I can't list them off the top of my head. Meh.... just carry on about Kyon and Itsuki. They are a rare breed in anime: guys that real girls might be attracted to.

ApathyEcstasy
2006-06-22, 00:03
how many novels are released?

how many novels are there planned in total?

does the series only span the first novel?

for those that have read the novels or at least some of them, do kyon and suzumiya develop a relationship farther down the road?

LCeh
2006-06-22, 00:26
There are 8 novels released.

I don't think there is a set number of novels planned yet.

The series kind of goes all over the place, but it's mainly concentrated in the first novel (Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu), where 6 episodes are made from it. Other episodes are sort of randomly taken from other novels.

And for your last question, do you mean a romantic relationship?

ApathyEcstasy
2006-06-22, 00:34
There are 8 novels released.

I don't think there is a set number of novels planned yet.

The series kind of goes all over the place, but it's mainly concentrated in the first novel (Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu), where 6 episodes are made from it. Other episodes are sort of randomly taken from other novels.

And for your last question, do you mean a romantic relationship?

yeah i mean a romantic relationship

also..another question...how many years does the 8 novels span...in the time in the anime

C.A.
2006-06-22, 00:44
yeah i mean a romantic relationship

also..another question...how many years does the 8 novels span...in the time in the animeSomething does develop between Haruhi and Kyon but they aren't admitting it lol

8 novels span not years but only around 7-8 months.

ApathyEcstasy
2006-06-22, 00:50
Something does develop between Haruhi and Kyon but they aren't admitting it lol

8 novels span not years but only around 7-8 months.

wow what the heck...so that means the anime is starting at the beginning..and ending at the end..but basically just skipping a whole buncha stuff in the middle? doesn't that mean that if there's another season...and they still use material from the novel..that the episodes will be slotted (timeline-wise) in between the various episodes of season 1?

it makes me sad to think that there's no "real" ending or conclusion to the story..with an explanation of why mikuru and the people from her time can't go back further in time than the 5 years ago or whenever it was that the huge explosion of data began (the thing that yuki talked about)...and explanation about all those other unanswered questions

C.A.
2006-06-22, 00:55
wow what the heck...so that means the anime is starting at the beginning..and ending at the end..but basically just skipping a whole buncha stuff in the middle? doesn't that mean that if there's another season...and they still use material from the novel..that the episodes will be slotted (timeline-wise) in between the various episodes of season 1?

it makes me sad to think that there's no "real" ending or conclusion to the storyActually this show isn't really going to end at the end lol

Someday in the Rain, despite being the furthest part of the story, is treated as a normal episode, while the ending for Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, novel 1 would be the real ending.

Watching this show chronologically won't make more sense than watching it in its rearranged episodes lol. In fact the show being rearranged this way, had made better story development.

EDIT: And yea, if there are other seasons it will be in between

ApathyEcstasy
2006-06-22, 01:09
Actually this show isn't really going to end at the end lol

Someday in the Rain, despite being the furthest part of the story, is treated as a normal episode, while the ending for Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, novel 1 would be the real ending.

Watching this show chronologically won't make more sense than watching it in its rearranged episodes lol. In fact the show being rearranged this way, had made better story development.

EDIT: And yea, if there are other seasons it will be in between

wait..why would the end of novel 1 be the actual chronological ending....if there are an additional 7 novels and possibly even more coming...are the additional 7 novels placed in between the beginning of novel 1 and the ending of novel 1?

so in that case..does that mean that there won't be an anime episode of suzumiya haruhi that is the actual chronological ending episode?

PhantomX
2006-06-22, 01:35
This is because Novels 1, 4, and 7 are the only ones that follow chronological storylines. The other novels are just amassed short stories that add character development or little clues that are referenced in future novels. And there won't be a 'true' ending to the series, as the novels are still being written.

ApathyEcstasy
2006-06-22, 01:36
This is because Novels 1, 4, and 7 are the only ones that follow chronological storylines. The other novels are just amassed short stories that add character development or little clues that are referenced in future novels. And there won't be a 'true' ending to the series, as the novels are still being written.

well i hope ONE DAY in the future..there'll be a "true" ending..with everything explained

Truth-kun
2006-06-22, 04:10
wow what the heck...so that means the anime is starting at the beginning..and ending at the end..but basically just skipping a whole buncha stuff in the middle? doesn't that mean that if there's another season...and they still use material from the novel..that the episodes will be slotted (timeline-wise) in between the various episodes of season 1?



Actually, the current season of SHnY is mainly based on the first volume of the same name. The other episodes that were scattered among the other volumes of the novel were merely used as a character development episode (not my original opinion, I got it off somewhere in the boards). The anime selected good chapters from the novel that didn't give away important plot points to the whole Haruhi Suzumiya story.

So knowing this, we are really to expect another season, and probably another arc from a different volume of the novel.

C.A.
2006-06-22, 14:51
Hmmm, I need some help translating this, my Japanese skills are too weak lol, all I can make out is that the director is talking about the 'secrets' of the episode arrangements and the DVD release of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken. http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/3663/megami10ix.jpg

bayoab
2006-06-22, 18:25
Hmmm, I need some help translating this, my Japanese skills are too weak lol, all I can make out is that the director is talking about the 'secrets' of the episode arrangements and the DVD release of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken.
Not really a secret, but that is part in red is just the comment that the series is being released chronologically beside adventures of mikuru disc 00. The rest just talks about the series being broken up, nothing important.

C.A.
2006-06-23, 00:25
Not really a secret, but that is part in red is just the comment that the series is being released chronologically beside adventures of mikuru disc 00. The rest just talks about the series being broken up, nothing important.Hmmm I see thanks, I guess I was able to read and understand it lol, I thought there's something really big in there that I couldn't catch.

Lost
2006-06-25, 08:27
Has anyone seen the 00 DVD extra? May I know what its about?

CrowKenobi
2006-06-25, 09:13
Has anyone seen the 00 DVD extra? May I know what its about?I've seen it and the extras are the credit-less open and close with a preview of Yuutsu 1 done by Yuki. :D

Lost
2006-06-25, 09:37
Oooo thanks! :) Something like a music video for the OP and ED :heh:

Ichy
2006-06-25, 10:51
Quickie answer



She is neither a normal human blessed with extraordinary power nor an alien.

She is GOD



:D

Next Question :D

Does Haruhi know that she is God? :confused:

eMpTy265
2006-06-25, 11:32
Next Question :D

Does Haruhi know that she is God? :confused:


Nope


Regarding the previous question, there are alternative theories about the entire issue

A few theories are posted in the series speculation thread

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31035

CaiSter21
2006-06-25, 15:31
for some reason i though that this anime was aiming to be a 26 eps long season, but i just recently checked ANN and saw that it is only 14 eps long

does this mean that they left some major parts out from the novel?

C.A.
2006-06-25, 15:46
for some reason i though that this anime was aiming to be a 26 eps long season, but i just recently checked ANN and saw that it is only 14 eps long

does this mean that they left some major parts out from the novel?The anime is named Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu. Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is the title of the 1st novel, currently theres 8 novels and still going.

Basically, the main story of the anime is only covering the 1st novel. The 1st novel has 7 chapters, which is compressed into 6 episodes in the anime. 8 other episodes are 'fillers' taken from the other novels. The reason for doing such and then rearranging the episodes is to provide optimum character and story development.

Ichy
2006-06-26, 09:01
@ eMpTy265: Thank you ^^


And now the most important Questions of all: :D

How old is Haruhi?
Height?
Weight?
Measurements?

:D

C.A.
2006-06-26, 09:09
@ eMpTy265: Thank you ^^


And now the most important Questions of all: :D

How old is Haruhi?
Height?
Weight?
Measurements?

:DThe only thing that's certain is Haruhi's age, 16.

Here are my estimations:

Height = 160 ~ 165cm, probably closer to 160, which is still quite tall for Japanese girls.

Weight = 43 ~ 45kg, an average weight

Measurements = around 32~34/20~22/34~36, in inches, because I don't know about measurements in cm lol

Vexx
2006-06-26, 13:41
well.... cm:inches is 2.54:1 but your 3-size numbers seem a bit high as does your height for her. I haven't been able to find official measurements for any of the girls but Suzumiya comes just below Kyon's shoulder. If Kyon is typical height for japanese teen male, he's probably 5'8" if he's lucky (172cm). I' guess 5'-5'2" (about 157cm) for Suzumiya since she tops out at his shoulder.
3-size measurements are correspondingly smaller. Given what we've seen of her :) she seems fit but not overboard in size. Using my wife as a reference (she's japanese and 4'11") I'm going to guess 32-20-33 in (81-50-83 cm). Weight-wise I'm estimating 105lbs (47kg) mostly because of her muscle tone otherwise I'd knock off a couple of kilos.

Mikuru *looks* to be about 3cm shorter but an extra couple of centimeters in the hips and about 5-8cm extra in the boobage making her probably 152cm and 86-52-83. She'll have to watch herself when she gets older (though it looks like she's doing a fair job of doing that :) ).

Obviously these are guesses but based off of typical heights for japanese teens and using my real world examples as reference (wife, my son's teacher, my instructor, wife's relatives, friends).

They're all small and cute, aieee...

Ichy
2006-06-26, 14:01
Thanks a lot :)

C.A.
2006-06-26, 14:33
well.... cm:inches is 2.54:1 but your 3-size numbers seem a bit high as does your height for her. I haven't been able to find official measurements for any of the girls but Suzumiya comes just below Kyon's shoulder. If Kyon is typical height for japanese teen male, he's probably 5'8" if he's lucky (172cm). I' guess 5'-5'2" (about 157cm) for Suzumiya since she tops out at his shoulder.
3-size measurements are correspondingly smaller. Given what we've seen of her :) she seems fit but not overboard in size. Using my wife as a reference (she's japanese and 4'11") I'm going to guess 32-20-33 in (81-50-83 cm). Weight-wise I'm estimating 105lbs (47kg) mostly because of her muscle tone otherwise I'd knock off a couple of kilos.

Mikuru *looks* to be about 3cm shorter but an extra couple of centimeters in the hips and about 5-8cm extra in the boobage making her probably 152cm and 86-52-83. She'll have to watch herself when she gets older (though it looks like she's doing a fair job of doing that :) ).

Obviously these are guesses but based off of typical heights for japanese teens and using my real world examples as reference (wife, my son's teacher, my instructor, wife's relatives, friends).

They're all small and cute, aieee...lol @ the last sentence

Hmmm your estimated height and weight for Haruhi seems quite accurate, but I think the weight is a little too much. When I was 16 I had atheletics club girls in my class, even those with 160+ height weigh lesser than 45kg lol. If Haruhi is between 157 - 160cm tall, she would be around 43kg. I'm using estimation from chinese girls here though.

EDIT: about Mikuru,

Kyon said in the novel that adult Mikuru has a figure thats super model class and her boobs have grown 1/3 larger compared to young Mikuru lol

Vexx
2006-06-26, 14:43
Hah... interesting jumble of description from Kyon (most "supermodels" look anorexic with inflata-boobs ... cept maybe Ms. Banks) yeah... my weight guess was a bit high mostly because I was assuming more muscle on Haruhi since she's so athletic. Chinese girls *tend* to run thinner .... my wife of japanese extraction weighs about 95lbs (including hair) or 43kg, 4'11" (149cm) ... I'll avoid explicit 3-size but she's got good proportions .... has a touch more waist and a bit less hip than the so-called standard proportions.
Her cousin is about an inch higher but has more hip.

.... oh its such a good thing I'm marginally anonymous here :)

Kaioshin Sama
2006-06-26, 15:08
lol @ the last sentence

Hmmm your estimated height and weight for Haruhi seems quite accurate, but I think the weight is a little too much. When I was 16 I had atheletics club girls in my class, even those with 160+ height weigh lesser than 45kg lol. If Haruhi is between 157 - 160cm tall, she would be around 43kg. I'm using estimation from chinese girls here though.

EDIT: about Mikuru,

Kyon said in the novel that adult Mikuru has a figure thats super model class and her boobs have grown 1/3 larger compared to young Mikuru lol

Pretty much all female anime characters are drawn to look perfect in almost every way, I mean really.

And to Ichy and everyone else for hopefully the last time Haruhi is NOT FREAKING GOD, hasn't been proven yet simple as that. She doesn't control everyones fate and she isn't an object of worship to anybody within the show. She just has special powers that give her control over the fabric of time (kind of) like a built in Lambda Driver. All the things she's done up until now have been cheap parlour tricks Even Volume 1 Chapter 7 was nothing special as nobody including herself, Itsuki, Yuki or Kyon knew what was happening for sure. Wait for proof of what she is what I'm saying before jumping to conclusions. As interesting a talking point as it may be to some to say "Lol Haruhi is Teh God" It just has not been proven yet, based on what we know, why not start with the simplest explanation of Special Powers and than build on that as the evidence in the novels mounts. Has nobody here heard of Occam's Razor.

If you want to see real God-Mod screw Haruhi and go watch Ideon, the thing just bloody does what it wants half the time when the Ide Gauge tops out and unlike in Suzimya Haruhi No Yuutsu there's nobody there to pick up the pieces (and let me tell you there's usually nothing left to pick up unlike with Haruhi's little parlour tricks)

Vexx
2006-06-26, 15:54
She's not worshipped by anyone in the series (except maybe Itsuki's faction) though not all gods are worshipped (some are just feared).
She *may* control everyone's fate if she produces a data explosion large enough to remake the universe (which is what some of Itsuki's faction appear to believe - that the current form of the universe they see was created 3 years ago and there's no way to tell what was before). Mikuru's people explain their "time wall" as a massive time fracture... but effectively thats the same as an "old universe" "new universe" boundary line. Words in a sentence to describe a phenomenom none of them fully understand yet.

You're right to warn people that jumping to conclusions is erroneous but.... I think many of the posters here are still not on the same page as per what is being meant by "God" or "a god". I'm not sure i understand *your* definition of "God" as it pertains to this discussion. The label itself doesn't have a standard definition.

Occam's Razor is a useful tool... but it doesn't always lead to the right answer, just the simplest answer based on available evidence and therefore subject to revision.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-26, 15:57
If you want to see real God-Mod screw Haruhi and go watch Ideon, the thing just bloody does what it wants half the time when the Ide Gauge tops out and unlike in Suzimya Haruhi No Yuutsu there's nobody there to pick up the pieces (and let me tell you there's usually nothing left to pick up unlike with Haruhi's little parlour tricks)
Any odd creature can destroy things. You don't need to be a deity to do that.

I find your outburst most worrying... Is there something troubling you? The whole "Haruhi isn't a god! She can't kill people as quickly as Ideon!!!" doesn't sound like a strong argument.

Have you seen Rahxephon? The main mecha in that universe can certainly kill a lot of people... But it could also rebuild what it destroys. Power is a lot more than turning things into destructive energy; it's also about turning energy into constructive things.

How about "Somedays Dreamers"? The magic in that world is well established. Mages can easily summon fireballs, levitate dozens of cars off the road at once with their mind, and twist buildings into pretel shapes. But they could not heal the sick or help the injured anymore than pain relief. It was easier to destroy than to create.

Haruhi can create. That's why Yuki's people, even though godlike as they already are, cares about her. Haruhi can create what has never existed, or even could not have existed.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-06-26, 16:10
Any odd creature can destroy things. You don't need to be a deity to do that.

I find your outburst most worrying... Is there something troubling you? The whole "Haruhi isn't a god! She can't kill people as quickly as Ideon!!!" doesn't sound like a strong argument.

Have you seen Rahxephon? The main mecha in that universe can certainly kill a lot of people... But it could also rebuild what it destroys. Power is a lot more than turning things into destructive energy; it's also about turning energy into constructive things.

How about "Somedays Dreamers"? The magic in that world is well established. Mages can easily summon fireballs, levitate dozens of cars off the road at once with their mind, and twist buildings into pretel shapes. But they could not heal the sick or help the injured anymore than pain relief. It was easier to destroy than to create.

Haruhi can create. That's why Yuki's people, even though godlike as they already are, cares about her. Haruhi can create what has never existed, or even could not have existed.


No that last part was to put things in perspective a bit and had absolutely no bearing on the rest of the argument that and I just happened to be watching Ideon at the time and was like "Yeah man that thing is awesome, Totally :p ." and as a temporary lapse of judgement added that to the paragraph for some reason. What I'm saying is the universe probably existed before Haruhi came into it at least according to Yuki and she hasn't always been there as an important force according to Yuki as well, so I mean her powers are god-like kind of even though she really doesn't do much with them since they are subconcious random and near useless. However, that doesn't make her without a doubt the God or Creator of this universe for sure. I'm waiting for more questions to be answered before I start saying she's God, the Devil, or anything else extreme. Does that make more sense.

Also I've been wanting to watch the rest of Rahxephon for a long time and think you bring up a good comparison there between Rahxephon's abilities and Haruhi. Also my definition of God is pretty much that whole "I Am The Alpha And The Omega The Beginning And The End" Line from the bible or basically the creator of the universe and the one who controls the destiny and the fate of the people. I'm pretty sure Haruhi had to have gotten her power from somewhere, but where and why, that is the question I so want answered. Was it granted to her as part of an experiment, was she lucky, mutant birth defect?

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-26, 16:43
I'm pretty sure Haruhi had to have gotten her power from somewhere, but where and why, that is the question I so want answered. Was it granted to her as part of an experiment, was she lucky, mutant birth defect?

Ah, but the assumption that her powers must have came from somewhere is a logical statement based on common observations. That doesn't mean the statement is true.

Why must her powers be gotten from somewhere?:D You can't use logic on something that you can't define. You don't know what her powers are, so you can't assume there was an origin at all, or that there was even a need for one.

And why does the creator, the Alpha and Omega, need to be born before the beginning of time? If a deity is beyond time and space, does it really matter "when" she/he was born? Does the concept even make any sense?:eyespin:

Space and time is under Haruhi's control; this means she isn't restricted by time. Thus, it's achievable for her to be "born" at any point in the time-line while still being the creator of everything before or after her re-birth as a deity. Nutty, huh?;)

C.A.
2006-06-26, 17:00
Pretty much all female anime characters are drawn to look perfect in almost every way, I mean really. lol I'm the last person you should tell that to, because I fully understand that and I make sure every single girl I sketch has perfect figures. I 'specialise' in drawing girls lol, I rarely draw guys, Kyon and Itsuki are the 1st guys I've drawn in years.
And to Ichy and everyone else for hopefully the last time Haruhi is NOT FREAKING GOD, hasn't been proven yet simple as that. She doesn't control everyones fate and she isn't an object of worship to anybody within the show. She just has special powers that give her control over the fabric of time (kind of) like a built in Lambda Driver. All the things she's done up until now have been cheap parlour tricks Even Volume 1 Chapter 7 was nothing special as nobody including herself, Itsuki, Yuki or Kyon knew what was happening for sure. Wait for proof of what she is what I'm saying before jumping to conclusions. As interesting a talking point as it may be to some to say "Lol Haruhi is Teh God" It just has not been proven yet, based on what we know, why not start with the simplest explanation of Special Powers and than build on that as the evidence in the novels mounts. Has nobody here heard of Occam's Razor.

If you want to see real God-Mod screw Haruhi and go watch Ideon, the thing just bloody does what it wants half the time when the Ide Gauge tops out and unlike in Suzimya Haruhi No Yuutsu there's nobody there to pick up the pieces (and let me tell you there's usually nothing left to pick up unlike with Haruhi's little parlour tricks)There are many definitions of God, even in the mecha universe.

e.g. of a mecha god and goddess:

God of Destruction: Genesic Gaogaigar
Goddess of the Solar System: Buster Machine no.7

Their power doesn't even come close to Ideon but they're still gods.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-06-26, 22:15
Ah, but the assumption that her powers must have came from somewhere is a logical statement based on common observations. That doesn't mean the statement is true.

Why must her powers be gotten from somewhere?:D You can't use logic on something that you can't define. You don't know what her powers are, so you can't assume there was an origin at all, or that there was even a need for one.

And why does the creator, the Alpha and Omega, need to be born before the beginning of time? If a deity is beyond time and space, does it really matter "when" she/he was born? Does the concept even make any sense?:eyespin:

Space and time is under Haruhi's control; this means she isn't restricted by time. Thus, it's achievable for her to be "born" at any point in the time-line while still being the creator of everything before or after her re-birth as a deity. Nutty, huh?;)


I guess its possible, doesn't mean its for certain though.

arias
2006-06-26, 22:20
Actually, female anime characters would HARDLY look perfect in real life. They look gorgeous in 2D art, but I can't imagine how any female with eyes that occupy 1/3 of the face to look remotely attractive. I mean, large eyes are attractive in females, but those eyes are NOWHERE near the size of a typical anime character.

They are abstractions that don't quite translate well into our reality.

Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-26, 22:51
They are abstractions that don't quite translate well into our reality.


....and thank god for that! Otherwise all loli loving fans here would have to be hunted down and locked up. :D

arias
2006-06-26, 23:26
....and thank god for that! Otherwise all loli loving fans here would have to be hunted down and locked up. :D

Oh, I certainly wouldn't want anything to happen to you.


:D

Noppapana
2006-06-27, 05:42
well i got a question
are the members of SOS-dan (well except for Mikuru) teenagers of the age 16 ?
according to a scan of Newtype USA , they are
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=minitokyogroupscansthem6xa.jpg

but i refuse to believe that they are all 16 ... soo are they ?

C.A.
2006-06-27, 05:47
Yes they are all 16, they are high school freshmen.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-27, 06:55
Yes they are all 16, they are high school freshmen.
Well, technically Yuki is three years old. But yeah.

Skane
2006-06-27, 07:24
Mikuru may be about one year older than Kyon and Haruhi. It was stated in both the novel and the anime that she is a second-year student, and is thus Kyon's 'senpai'. However... since she is a time-traveller, this screws up everything. How old is she, really?

Yuki is three years old... and she has assimilated herself into Kyon's age group( first years).

Itsuki is... eh... a first year too, but I doubt it is his ACTUAL age, since he is working undercover for his agency. I suspect he is actually older.

Lost
2006-06-27, 09:32
How old is she, really?
As far as Kyon and Haruhi are concerned; yesh, she is their senior; or upperclassman I think Kyon or someone said. Time travel should not actually change your actual age - I think its like stepping out of one world into another; you retain everything about you. So you can say that 17(?) is her actual age. But if we are talking about her age as relative to a non-time traveller e.g. Kyon; it would be = 17 years - (amount of years she travelled back) (or plus if she's travelling forward) Is that correct?

About the age of the older, "mole-on-chest" Mikuru; my estimate would be 25 +/- years old. That would also be her actual age. :uhoh: :heh:

Anh_Minh
2006-06-27, 11:25
Or she could be a vat grown pod person (common in the future) that got out of the uterine replicator a mere few days before being sent to the past, thus making her about three years old. (And adding a disgusting twist to the lust surrounding her.)

Or maybe, thanks to future age retarding treatments, she's actually in her thirties or something. Who knows?

Kinny Riddle
2006-06-27, 12:44
If you want to really measure their age, then strictly speaking,

all the characters (and everyone else on Earth) are now over 594 years old, though their metabolism has been reset 15,498 times, which would explain why no one died. Of course, they aren't aware that they've live longer than they thought.

Except poor Yuki, who has to endure all this, and that probably contributes to an accumulation of junk data, which would have huge consequences later on.

Stay tuned for Volume 5 - Endless Eight if you want to find out what I mean.

Vexx
2006-06-27, 13:18
If you want to really measure their age, then strictly speaking,

all the characters (and everyone else on Earth) are now over 594 years old, though their metabolism has been reset 15,498 times, which would explain why no one died. Of course, they aren't aware that they've live longer than they thought.

Except poor Yuki, who has to endure all this, and that probably contributes to an accumulation of junk data, which would have huge consequences later on.

Stay tuned for Volume 5 - Endless Eight if you want to find out what I mean.


I suppose you have to ask *which* timeline, if only the area around the Solar System was involved, or if the entire universe was reset/cycled.

There's some aspects of cosmology that indicate there *is* no general timeline - that time flows in modular chunks around different regions of the universe, even smearing the Big Bang singularity ... gah, don't ask me where I saw that, my son has filled my house with issues of Nature and Physics Journal.

The interesting thing is that Yuki carries information from cycle to cycle, giving her numerous chances to observe and test -- and evolve herself.

NaNash|
2006-06-27, 13:41
I didn't read the novel, so there might be some misunderstanding on my part.

But as the series progress, I 'm starting to feel that he person that made Aliens, time-travelers and espers to appear is Kyon rather than Haruhi.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-27, 14:04
I didn't read the novel, so there might be some misunderstanding on my part.

But as the series progress, I 'm starting to feel that he person that made Aliens, time-travelers and espers to appear is Kyon rather than Haruhi.
I would be interested to hear if your opinion remains the same after episode 14. In fact, I am interested in the opinions of all non-novel readers after ep 14 is aired.

Kaioshin Sama
2006-06-27, 15:30
I would be interested to hear if your opinion remains the same after episode 14. In fact, I am interested in the opinions of all non-novel readers after ep 14 is aired.


Well my opinion certainly remained the same after Chapter 7 that we don't have a decisive answer as to what is happening. I thought that we should...

keep in mind that both Haruhi and Kyon are there, it could still be him, or a combination of the two when they get together that are causing trouble.

Lost
2006-06-27, 21:11
I would be interested to hear if your opinion remains the same after episode 14. In fact, I am interested in the opinions of all non-novel readers after ep 14 is aired.
Hai hai! Noted :)

norath
2006-06-29, 14:56
Noob ? here..

Why are the order of the episodes messed upp ???

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-06-29, 15:03
Noob ? here..

Why are the order of the episodes messed upp ???
Because the first main story arc is only about 6 episodes long, and in the original novels they all took place at the very beginning.

If they aired it chronologically, you will reach the climax at episode 6, followed by side stories and minor arcs for the rest of the 1st series.

Instead of altering the plot, KyoAni decided to change the airing order instead. Thus, you have an intro, minor story arcs in the middle, then the conclusion of the first book at the end of the 1st season.

C.A.
2006-06-29, 16:11
Noob ? here..

Why are the order of the episodes messed upp ???The random episode order is not random actually, but to build up maximum character development and actually further enhances the way the story is told.

Most novel or manga adapted anime choose to create their own fillers or answers to questions, often messing up the original story. But kyoani made this brilliant decision to use parts of the other volumes of Haruhi and place them in such a way to act as additional story and character development. This doesn't disrupt the original story at all, instead increases the story's potential. Definitely clever.

ReAn
2006-06-30, 09:22
Please pardon me if I have posted this in an incorrect section however the suzumiya haruhi forum does not allow posts by non-mods.

I'm trying to make sense of the timeline of Haruhi since the development of the show is based around character development and the episodes are hard to follow.

Im basically looking to build a mapping of order in which the episodes are in terms of chronological order versus the ordering chosen by the creators so I can attempt to watch it chronologically after ep 14 is released. I understand however that they dont all line up perfectly w/ each other I'm mainly looking for ordering.

Any help would be appreciated.

Noodlehead
2006-06-30, 09:30
Here (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/suzumiyaharuhi/haruhitimeline.gif) you go. It's from Garten (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=38788)'s anime blog, Memento (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/).

~ Noodlehead