xXxHolic

[Yuuko_Hajiwara]

Last time I went to the shop that has tons of manga goodies near where I live, I saw this new one out by CLAMP which looked really interesting. The artwork was typically theirs and it seemed like they were going back to some of their usual, older style with more detail. It's called XXX Holic, and apparently, similar to Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles (has anyone heard of that?) it mixes lots of their characters from different series, but also brings in some new ones. The story is of this sorceress called Yuuko who owns a shop, and a boy comes in there and ends up working for her....

Has anyone heard of it? What do you think? Do you think CLAMP's "remix" mangas will have success? Has anyone read any?

I've read about the first chapter of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, and it's pretty good, though it's a bit odd to see characters you're normally familiar with playing different roles, and sometimes related to different people...

[Go-go]

I remeber reading something about it...the male protagonist looks a lot like Eriol. A friend of mine has the first vol., I think, so I may check it out one of this days.

On the other hand, I haven't been able to read Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, so I can't compare. (But I've seen pictures. They looked nice.)

[LynnieS]

Del Rey, who bought the rights to both series for the U.S., has put up a manga page (http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/manga/). There are a couple of blurbs about each of the titles and include expected publication dates.

[guynextdoor]

i've read up to volume 2 for both series, and they are both good, if not better than the X/1999 manga, which rocked too :D

[Pandora]

XXXholic is quite good IMO. It's along the line of Tokyo Babylon, though not as angst of course. It has potential. Guess we'll see.

[maxthelostboy]

DId clamp do a new manga called legal drug? I heard of it on tokoypops site but dont know who licensed it. Delreys manga look sweet i want to buy everyone other then gundam seed. Sigh Manga is too addiciting:(

[Pandora]

Yes, Clamp has a manga called Gohou Drug, ie. Lawful Drug as most people called it. It isn't exactly new though. I believe Tokyopop is the one that licensed it.

[Silence_Fish]

I saw this at the store and thought about picking it up, does anyone know if it's any good? I know that's a pretty generic question, but try.

[Inuzuka]

I saw this at the store and thought about picking it up, does anyone know if it's any good? I know that's a pretty generic question, but try.
It. is. great.

I've only read to Vol.4 so this is as much as I can tell you, the storyline itself hasn't progressed alot, rather, the storyline moves along with small stand-alone arcs, each offering some small clue to the overall story.

I like how CLAMP treats the atmosphere though, relatively dark and gloomy.But, correct me if I'm wrong here, since CLAMP is working on 2 projects at the same time, the xXxHolic volumes churn out pretty slow, compared to Tsubasa.

[Sakuya-chan]

xXxHolic is great! hehe....yea, it does have a relatively dark and gloomy atomosphere, but there are humourous parts in it too :) ....Tsubasa is really good too! I got my fwend hooked on it and now she won't stop bugging me for more....kinda annoying really...lol

Inuzaka: You have up to volume 4?!? I only have up to volume two :( I want my xXxholic!!! :sad: hehe....o well, I'll get it sooner or later....hopefully sooner....haha :) o well, I guess I'll jus reread the first two volumes....*wanders off*

[midori-chan]

I like it!!
I've always loved this manga so particular!!
Clamps are great!! ^_______^

[Tsukishirou]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I´m loving this manga, even more than Tsubasa!

I wish it would be more Yuuko x Watanuki; but it´s kinda obvious it´s more like Doumeki x Watanuki. (Where does Himawari ends in all this?).
Watanuki looks so funny everytime Hiwawari-chan is around; and all the over reactions (read: hate) towars Doumeki.
I´ve read up to Vol.7 and I can´t wait, the pace is so relaxing and tranquil it´s refreshing.

Watanuki made chocolates for Valentine´s day (even tough, as I heard only gilrs are supposed to make them) to give to Himawari-chan (Reversed roles?), but instead Doumeki just went ahead and ate it XD, instead of developing into shonen-ai, Doumeki just shows-off all the chocolates he got from the girls (Cause Watanuki is not popular XD).

[Soka-chan]

I love it as well.It's much better than TRC...though I don't like Watanuki, he's a bit too stupid for my tastes...but Domeki is cool(and I just LOVE their relationship...No way Yuko/Watanuki could work, since she's like a goddess, beautiful, intelligent, powerful...she thinks of him like a kid, even if she teases himXD). Himawari is veeeery plain, I hope they fill her out more as a character. Mokona is brilliant, I like her much more than White Mokona.

I love the plot, and the thing that makes this manga for me is Yuko herself. She's just so interesting, a conflicting mix of many things.

The drawings are very beautiful and gothic and decadent, and actually give off some oriental feeling that manga usually doesn't.

[AthenAltena]

I have all of it up to the last one released in the states (6) and I greatly enjoy it and intend to keep getting them. I think it'll be interesting to see where the story goes from here on in terms of Watanuki's spirit problem. And Yuuko is wonderful, just the right mix of sass and intellegence. She's definately one of my favorite female characters at the moment.

[serosi]

xxxHolic is GREAT.

The character of the story is itself unique, like Watanuki and Yuuko.
Watanuki being the clueless but skillful chara.
And Yuuko being the chara that know a lot and mysterious.
I especially like Yuuko saying that every event has fate entangled in it.
Every occurence has meaning behind it.

Besides according to me, xxxHolic is kinda the link between most of CLAMP series. and also provide some guidance to it.
And i kinda like CLAMP working both TRC and xxxHolic together, and making some connection between the manga. Must be fun!;)

btw, according to me, the answer to both TRC and xxxHolic will lay on the connection with Cardcaptor Sakura, what do you think?

[Tsukishirou]

I was also thinking about the connection to CCS, I think there´s only one Clow Reed.
They said in Tsubasa that in different worlds you may find sometimes the same person but with different circumstances; maybe the world of CCS is just another world to where they could link.
At first I tought that the xxx HOLiC world and the CCS world were the same because of the replica of Sakura´s staff that Yuuko has :heh:
But maybe the original world of CCS is just out there.
Yuuko said that her store is there and also isn´t there, so maybe there´s only 1 Yuuko and only 1 Clow.

Anyway, I didn´t know there were over 100 Ch. I´ve been stuck at 48.
They must reveal more about Himawari-chan!! (And more airtime of the Kudakitsune).

[AthenAltena]

At first I tought that the xxx HOLiC world and the CCS world were the same because of the replica of Sakura´s staff that Yuuko has :heh:
But maybe the original world of CCS is just out there.

I believe they are the same world, since Yuuko makes a reference to a Shaoran and Sakura in their world who are "both decendents of Clow Reed" which refers to the CCS versions (though the mechanics in Sakura's case for being a descendent are a bit complicated, I guess according to CLAMP she is)

[Shiroth]

The only way to be certain that CCS & Yuuko's world are the same imo would be to hear more about Yuuko's relationship with Clow Reed.

[AthenAltena]

The only way to be certain that CCS & Yuuko's world are the same imo would be to hear more about Yuuko's relationship with Clow Reed.

I believe there's been a manga extra somewhere that shows them making the Mokonas. I don't have any more information on it but I remember hearing of it somewhere.

[KuraiSHIA]

Yeah, here in Germany i bought it too!^^ I love it so much!!!!!!! >///< It's so full of mystery and secrets!!! Especially people doesn't know much about Yuko, not even her real name. Or know anyone there her real name???? o.O? How much manga were published at your place? Here there are six volume published.

anata no Kurai

[Tsukishirou]

Just finished the Eye arc. I think the ending was a little harsh and unforgiving, normally what happened would be normal, but not for it to happen to a main character. I was expecting "after all this everything returns to normal", so I was surprised. I also was thinking that
Maybe the spider gal was going to accept he offering his other eye in exchange for Zashikiwarashi, then he would become blind and emo and stop going to school, and then Doumeki would find out be twisting in guilt and go to Yuuko again to find another solution; but I guess it went over great anyway, no secret or mystery was revelead, just that Doumeki really cares about Watanuki (Duh!), so in the end it was just "After all everything returns to normal" XD
P.S. Yay more Kudakitsune airtime!

If there really are over 100 Ch. I wonder why there are only 8 Vol. out.

[ivils]

What do you think Yuko is training Watanuki for? There have been so many implications of Watanuki having to go through some crucible. But we have no idea what. I know that some people think he's going to take over the shop. But I find it very unlikely. :p

[Kazu-kun]

It has to do with the one who's collecting souls using that wings... I don't remember what chapter was. But anyway, Yuko said that a powerful magician was collecting souls in order to do something evil.

Since Watanuki couldn't do anything to prevent that incident, I think the only reason to have thouse wings in the story, and Yuko saying all that about the one who's behind it, is becouse he/she is the main antagonist of the story, yet to be reveled.

Thus, I believe Yuko is training Watanuki in order to fight that guy (who ever it is).

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I've just updated myself with recent chapters...

After the book worm incident, I have only three words to say about Himawari.

Burn the Witch.

I never trusted her, and the bookworm incident gave me enough evidence to suggest Himawari is better off dead.

I am sure Yoko knows something is bad about that girl, but she has no solid evidence. That sunflower girl is far too jolly and accepting of the supernatural to be ordinary. She is number one on the list of suspects to be blamed for the "wings" incident.

[ivils]

It has to do with the one who's collecting souls using that wings... I don't remember what chapter was. But anyway, Yuko said that a powerful magician was collecting souls in order to do something evil.

Since Watanuki couldn't do anything to prevent that incident, I think the only reason to have thouse wings in the story, and Yuko saying all that about the one who's behind it, is becouse he/she is the main antagonist of the story, yet to be reveled.

Thus, I believe Yuko is training Watanuki in order to fight that guy (who ever it is).

I don't think so. CLAMP made it pretty clear she got the guy while Watanuki went to visit the world in the vase. I think it's something else, but I don't know what. Some people think he's gonna have to take over the shop, but I don't think so.

[SayanMk]

Hmmm....

About Wataniki - Because I see the manga through pink glasses, I want Yuuko-chan to like Wataniki (as a man) http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/7094/yes0hf.gifhttp://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8400/iconcooler1rc.gif
But something is not so good about him. I guess in the end, he'll just like to stay in the shop as Yuuko-chan's assistant <- good egnough! However, his blood is serious. I wonder what kind of parents he had, and even more - why they died. I'm sure there is a good reason for that, and sooner or later it will reflect on Watanuki.....

About Yuuko-chan... maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, the best. More than a goddess♥

About Himawari ... hmm... well I wonder.... It's true, that most of the time it makes us think, she's evil(how about that - she's the evil magi xD), but... I don't know...
1. The rain sprite♥ said "How can you talk to someone like that"
-> however if it wasn't for her ribbons..., *Watanuki goes dead*
2. The spell came from her book, that was no ordinary book
-> if it did't, there was no chance to find the spell
3. When the lie-woman died
-> if it wasn't for Himawari...., *Watanuki goes dead*
4. If it wasn't her, the monkey paw would not open
-> well, not so soon, but it would eventually......
So don't go burn her so fast, nobody really knows why is she destined to meet Watanuki http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8400/iconcooler1rc.gif

About Zashiki-warashi - points: ♥/10 :D :heh:

About Mokona - maaaaaaaaaan I really want to see the real form of mokona c_C
As we see, the cute xxxkitsune has another form, I guess the thunder-god also does, and so does Mokona. Those 108 himitsu techniques....... c_C

[Sundae]

actually, I think Himawari and Watanuki is in same situation, being targeted by spirits :D

well, I've only read until vol 8 chapter 2 after all, need to go on :D

[Shiroth]

Thus, I believe Yuko is training Watanuki in order to fight that guy (who ever it is).
Watanuki fight?

Did you bumb your head or something? ^^;;

[SayanMk]

Watanuki fight?

Did you bumb your head or something? ^^;;
Read again the chapter in that Watanuki saves Zashiki-warashi ;)

[Soka-chan]

I see no one has considered this but...don't you think that, whatever Watanuki is going to be involved into has something to do with Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles??Everytime Yuko thinks about the ordeal that await "this kind boy", she thinks about "those at the other side". For me, it's clear that, sometime in the future, this two series will connect and the story maybe will be the same.

Maybe it's the bad guy form TRC the one behind the whole affair of the wings???

Hehe, it surprises me that there's still people that want or see something in Yuko and Watanuki as a couple...it's sooo obious that Clamp is implying shonen-ai between Doumeki and Watanuki...

[katakami]

I agree.. it's more likely that CLAMP does shonen ai than older woman. (haha not that Yuuko is that old. ^^)



Anyone watch the series? I'm interested to see more links between Legal Drug and XXXholic... (Legal Drug characters appearing in episode 6).

I just got volume 7... SO INTERESTING!!! I like the little "moving photo" story. >< And Watanuki's new power!! :O :O



In terms of what Yuuko is training Watanuki for... I think it's to train him to the point in his life whether he decides to get rid of his "curse" or keep it. (Yeah... sounds more like CLAMP). There could be more to it - but I think at the moment it's still mainly at the stage of "little stories." I'll use Ghost in the Shell SAC terms for it... So right now it's mainly "Stand Alone" episodes/stories. But there's small elements starting to appear that are "complex."

I'm not too sure about a "battle" because a villain has yet to appear... if anything he'd have to be related to Watanuki (a relative?). In terms of the relationship with Tsubasa Chronicle - there's still not enough links to see whether Watanuki is directly related - but I think he'll definitely be involved in some way. (well - he already is, seeing as he met them.) As Yuuko says - there's no coincidences, only hitsuzen. ;)

[Shiroth]

Read again the chapter in that Watanuki saves Zashiki-warashi ;)
Yes, i do know what happened.

But Yuuko training Watanuki in the ways of martial arts just seems a lil' strange, though its something i would read of course~

[YinYanX]

Its been out for quite sometime in Japan. It basically crossovers over with Tsubasa Reservior Chronicles. I haven't got them yet. But I'll be planning to get them in Japanese instead of the US version. I like the originals better because they are not tweaked. I personally own Tsubasa Reservior Chronicles up to Volume 12. Only missing volume 13 and 14 at the moment.

[sazan fan]

I see no one has considered this but...don't you think that, whatever Watanuki is going to be involved into has something to do with Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles??Everytime Yuko thinks about the ordeal that await "this kind boy", she thinks about "those at the other side". For me, it's clear that, sometime in the future, this two series will connect and the story maybe will be the same.

Maybe it's the bad guy form TRC the one behind the whole affair of the wings???

Hehe, it surprises me that there's still people that want or see something in Yuko and Watanuki as a couple...it's sooo obious that Clamp is implying shonen-ai between Doumeki and Watanuki...

xxxHolic and TRC are so closely related that they can practally be one series. In fact the two series are one of the same story and they have been connected since the beginning. If you want to understand xxxHolic better, read TRC and vice versa.

Its been out for quite sometime in Japan. It basically crossovers over with Tsubasa Reservior Chronicles. I haven't got them yet. But I'll be planning to get them in Japanese instead of the US version. I like the originals better because they are not tweaked. I personally own Tsubasa Reservior Chronicles up to Volume 12. Only missing volume 13 and 14 at the moment.

If that's the case, you are also missing 15 . 16 is almost completed.

[Xellos-_^]

I just read vol7 in the book store yesterday.

Anyone still think Himwari is not Evil :eyebrow:


Final Comment: Watanuki looks better and more evil without glasses.

[rooboy]

I just read vol7 in the book store yesterday.

Anyone still think Himwari is not Evil :eyebrow:


Final Comment: Watanuki looks better and more evil without glasses.
LOL! We were watching the anime last week some time (well, I was, my wife happened to be there while it was on the television and she was somewhat following along), and I made a statement like "Himawari is the most evil thing in this series". And she just gave me a look like I was crazy. I'm glad it's not just me. :)

[Kazu-kun]

I see no one has considered this but...don't you think that, whatever Watanuki is going to be involved into has something to do with Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles??Everytime Yuko thinks about the ordeal that await "this kind boy", she thinks about "those at the other side". For me, it's clear that, sometime in the future, this two series will connect and the story maybe will be the same.

Maybe it's the bad guy form TRC the one behind the whole affair of the wings???


The "powerful magician" Yuuko said was controlling the Mushi (the wings) in order to collect souls was indeed Fei Wong Reed (the bad guy from TRC).
This has been confirmed in chapter 120 of TRC.

[Soka-chan]

Man, I'm the best. I've only read up to vol. 11 of TRC and vol. 7 of Holic and I knew it:cool:

Don't say anything more, the new volume doesn't come out in my country till October.

I still don't think Himawari is evil or Yuko wouldn't let Watanuki go around and with her so easily. Still, she's strange; we'll just have to wait and see why :-)

[Xellos-_^]

I still don't think Himwari is evil or Yuko wouldn't let Watanuki go around and with her so easily. Still, she's strange; we'll just have to wait and see why :-)

Remember how man time Youko warns Watanuki about Himwari not being good for him?

Youko gives people advice and warning when they ask but she doesn't do anything else.

A few other points:
-the Rain spirit won't go any near Himwari
-Himwari is not suprise by youko or mokona
-Notice how Himwari is with watanuki and Dumneki then she leaves and bad things start happening.

[Shiroth]

If Himawari is something evil, then Yuuko's probably leaving Watanuki around her for some kind of test.. we all know what she can be like sometimes.

Notice how Himwari is with watanuki and Dumneki then she leaves and bad things start happening.
Hmm, i don't think that has anything to do with Himawari's so called evil side, its just what happens.

[FlAmE hAzE - ShAnA]

Yeah, here in Germany i bought it too!^^ I love it so much!!!!!!! >///< It's so full of mystery and secrets!!! Especially people doesn't know much about Yuko, not even her real name. Or know anyone there her real name???? o.O? How much manga were published at your place? Here there are six volume published.

anata no Kurai

I love xxxholic, and
I envy you, maybe should be better change of city,,,,just kidding
Here just there are two volume.
I see the anime, but however I want the manga, it's more funny and reliable.

[Haru27]

Wow. Yes i have finished book 4 in this series. Yuko is my favorite charcter.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Man, I'm the best. I've only read up to vol. 11 of TRC and vol. 7 of Holic and I knew it:cool:

Don't say anything more, the new volume doesn't come out in my country till October.

I still don't think Himawari is evil or Yuko wouldn't let Watanuki go around and with her so easily. Still, she's strange; we'll just have to wait and see why :-)
Yuko isn't a demonhunter, but more like an observer. She doesn't actively destroy evil unless she is paid. Watanuki needs to take care of himself.

[Soka-chan]

Yuko isn't a demonhunter, but more like an observer. She doesn't actively destroy evil unless she is paid. Watanuki needs to take care of himself

That's actually not true. Look at the wings' story...Yuuko is directly opposing someone(the villain of TRC).
I didn't want to say that she wouldn't let Wata hang around with Himawari, but she would be more serious about the danger she poses and not only tell him "I don't think she's the girl for you".That's just lame and someone as wise as her should know that Wata is not going to listen to a warning as lame as that.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

That's actually not true. Look at the wings' story...Yuuko is directly opposing someone(the villain of TRC).
I didn't want to say that she wouldn't let Wata hang around with Himawari, but she would be more serious about the danger she poses and not only tell him "I don't think she's the girl for you".That's just lame and someone as wise as her should know that Wata is not going to listen to a warning as lame as that.
Well, Yuko didn't warn the person who got the monkey paw that "the artifact is probably going to kill you", did she?

[Soka-chan]

Well, Yuko didn't warn the person who got the monkey paw that "the artifact is probably going to kill you", did she?

Yeah, but she was really serious in that case, if you compare her face when she advises that woman not to open it, to the joking, funny face she gets every time she talks about Himawari not being good for Wata....there's no possible comparison, man. Whenever she's serious about her advice, you can tell.Remember when she told him to watch out for himself while she was away???You could tell she was being serious, as opposed to her advice on Himawari.

[akurashy]

I love xxxholic!
well i think clamp converted me to their religion :-"

anyway,

It's like she also says,
Even if she said it , it's up to the person to change their habits,

i think of yuuko more of a person who likes to use and twist logic o.o

i bought some volumes of TRC, saw the cross-world

in xxxholic,
does anyone know why yuuko "regrets" the price she asked to syoaran
she said something like "i should have asked for his memories"
(my bad but i need to lookup again to confirm)

[katakami]

Really? Where does she say that?

Well, if Syaoran's memories were taken, it would be a lot harder for him to complete the mission. His survival depends on his will to save Sakura's life because of who she is to him. If I had to provide a guess... it would be because the equal price paid to have the ability to retrieve memories would be memories themselves. In other words:

Sakura's Memories in exchange for Syaorans...

This would make more sense as well because it's Syaoran's wish that Yuuko is granting and not Sakura's. Therefore what had to be taken ... should have been something of Syaoran's own possession.

But realising that the mission wouldn't be able to be completed with Syaoran's own memories, Yuuko had to compromise.

I don't know if anyone else picked this up... but in the manga (volume 6) when Yuuko's away with Mokona she mentions she's "making gods." I just realised while watching episode 36 of tsubasa chronicle (2nd season) that it was refering to Ashura and Yasha. XD

[akurashy]

In vol 2 , starting

hmm making gods =o never thought of her doing ashura and yasha, wasn't it a ceremony? (bah i really need to check around a bit)

[Shiroth]

I don't know if anyone else picked this up... but in the manga (volume 6) when Yuuko's away with Mokona she mentions she's "making gods." I just realised while watching episode 36 of tsubasa chronicle (2nd season) that it was refering to Ashura and Yasha. XD
There's no 100% sure on that, remember the time frame for Tsubasa Chronicle goes a lot faster then Holic, though it probably is connected.

[Xellos-_^]

Just finish reading 114 and 115.

Looks like we are finally getting intot he main storyline. We are also starting to get more info on Himawari.

Watanuki is also starting to built a harem. He just became very good friend with a little girl :D And it looks like she will be a recurring character (i hope).

[horsdhaleine]

bought vol 9!

the manga's art is so beautiful!!! but too bad i didn't know it was a seinen manga so it didn't have furigana... meaning i need a lot of time before i will be able to read it...

but still that doesn't prevent me from scanning and scanning the book...
the art's lovely!

[SailorYue]

ch 116= himiwari is EVIL!!!!

[Sakuya]

ch 116= himiwari is EVIL!!!!

But it seems she doesn't know it. You can't blame her. At least to me, she seem sso nice and cheerful I can't help but like her. But man, that was just so sudden. :(

[Xellos-_^]

ch 116= himiwari is EVIL!!!!

We know that already :p

Looks like himawari si finally making her move.

[SailorYue]

But it seems she doesn't know it. You can't blame her. At least to me, she seem sso nice and cheerful I can't help but like her. But man, that was just so sudden. :(
maybe she doesnt...but her spirit is very bad:upset:

2 week wait...quite unbearable. atleast we have TRC (for those that read both that is) next week might be interesting for that one, what with taht GUY apearing :P

[SailorYue]

xxxholic ch 117 spoilers: http://clamp-hikari.livejournal.com/2590.html

O.O

[katakami]

>< waw the spoilers! Can't believe Himawari's evil... XD

I shouldn't be reading this.. haha ... I decided I'd wait for the english translation and collect the whole thing.

[SailorYue]

there are scanslations available....

[Xellos-_^]

>< waw the spoilers! Can't believe Himawari's evil... XD

I shouldn't be reading this.. haha ... I decided I'd wait for the english translation and collect the whole thing.

If you wait for the official relase thats going to be a long wait.

Do what i do, buy the Del Rey rels and download the scanlations.

[SailorYue]

ch 117 is out...pretty interesting...seems like some of the spoilers really came true...

i dont like the look on himiwari's face at the end...i get a chill looking at it O.O

[SailorYue]

its been posted on the msn group, so if you have that link you can visit it ^_^

[Xellos-_^]

If I am remeber correctly butterflies means death. And we see shadows of butterflies next to Himawari.

c118 should be a lot of fun.

[SailorYue]

If I am remeber correctly butterflies means death. And we see shadows of butterflies next to Himawari.

c118 should be a lot of fun.
but butterflies are propminent in xxxholic, especialy for watenuki:

: the hankerchief that yuuko used to finde her friend tunred into a butterfly, there were butterflies on the rug that maro and moro were beating (one escaped)

there are many other instances of butterflies thruout xxxholic, but those 2 are the only ones i remember) (its also all thruout the OP

[SailorYue]

ch 118.
the chinese scans are out...what himiwari said basicaly proves positive what many thought, tho she really cant help it :-S

[Xellos-_^]

ch 118.
the chinese scans are out...what himiwari said basicaly proves positive what many thought, tho she really cant help it :-S

care to summariez it or pm me with the bt link? It is not at my usual place.

[Lucy-sama]

Eek. Spoilers.

I've only read the volumes released in English. Which is the first eight or nine. And there are a lot of Himiwari hint hints in these current volumes... I think something's up with her.

[SailorYue]

care to summariez it or pm me with the bt link? It is not at my usual place.
chinese scans: http://photo.163.com/photos/cocoya118/71924187/
pasword: shenshi

translation: http://x-reggg.livejournal.com/102038.html
summery: himiwari explains how she's tyhe casue of everything bad thats happened in watenuki's life, the mokey paw, the angelsama incedent and falling thru the window. she explains that she;sa curse and how all thru her life people have died, or all sorts of bad things happened just by interacting with her. the only people who havent wer her parents (which is obvious...jinx them and she;dve never been born.

she's also surprised how much watenuki's stayed by her, even tho all thats happend.

---
it must suck not being able to keep any friends. the things, events she describes...poor girl :(

[Sakuya]

This chapter was really sad! But Himawari is still my favorite character.

I am really starting to like CLAMP's new style in xxxHOLiC. It's very clean and subtle without any use of tones for skin or clothes shadow. The only thing I don't like but got used to is the characters' elongated-ness. Other than that, their character designs are really nice. :)

I wonder what CLAMP will come up with next? Sorry, I just had to ask that. It seems like HOLiC might be coming to a close soon. Doesn't it? I mean this Himawari arc just screams climax. Sort of? :uhoh:

[SailorYue]

i think this WAS the climax. i think i read somewhere that after this was revealed the manga will shortly end T_T

[aldw]

Knowing Watanuki, he won't give up on Himawari-chan, in any case. :)

[SailorYue]

maybe...
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ch 118 is now veiwable on the msn group...i got to do the scanslation this week, so i hope i did a decent job ^^;;

[RavenChan]

Raven: Hey hey! Im new to this site in general, so if i make mistakes in anything somehow, its inevitable ^^;;

I Love Holic! But iv only got up to no.4 in the manga and Ep.6 in anime.
Even thou there's obviously something up with Himawari-Chan i still like her as a character. (And i VERY rarely like female characters! But CLAMP girls i always seem to like, which to me, portrays their talent.)

Im also weirdly drawn to their elongated-ness (or as i call it, the stick-figure style or spider-style O.o) Especially in the anime, it just looks good! Personal opinion here!

Oh, and iv only the 1st manga of Tsubasa ;.;

[SailorYue]

119 is up on the msn group. the people paying the price, not so surpriseing as the 3rd person... O_O

baka watanuki your too nice for your own good

[Sakuya]

Aww... This is so sad. I'm speechless. :(

[Mirita]

i'm spanish i i have bought xxxholic since a year...and now there is the anime and a film too. xxxholic and tsubasa are "the same" history, yuko-san helps xiaolang to search the sakura's memories, giving him white mokona. but in xxxholic mangas, we can see Watanuky's life, since he meets Yuko.
have u understood all right?? i'm spanisnh and it's so hard to me to explain this good
have luck! kisss

[Ja-Y-Ce]

juz read chapt 119... to me, it's a sad chapter...gosh! remind me of those frenship, loyalty and affinity with ur close ones....

[SailorYue]

no sign of the actual chapter, but details are available
only minor interaction betwen doumeki and watanuiki
yuuko gives a small egg, which she received from the TRC gang for payment of the water watanuki collected.
the bird aparently is suposed to nullify himiwari's bad luck, so what happened to watanuki wouldnt happen again.

[SailorYue]

chapter posted to the msn group. have fun ^^

[Klashikari]

finally, we got the truth behind the weird events around himawari and yuuko's comments about her !
i must say,

she really freaks me out about saying such things while smiling... she really had the courage to stay like this, preventing watanuki being much worried about her.

yet, seeing domeki in such pitiful state is... shocking oO. i'm wondering how did yuuko... "extract" domeki's blood...

and finally, i'm curious about what yuuko was saying about the bond between syoran and watanuki. that's making the mystery growing way bigger -_- (akh, damn calmp and their marvelous yet annoying cliffhangers ~~)

great chapters, indeed ! ^^

[nororu]

i like the anime .. but i looooooove the manga!!! xxxholic \(^o^)/

[SailorYue]

-sigh- no xxxholic manga for 3 whole weeks. ;_;

atkleast when it DOES come back, on oct 23, there will be 3 very nice colors ^^(one being the 2 page splash)

[Renegade334]

yet, seeing domeki in such pitiful state is... shocking oO. i'm wondering how did yuuko... "extract" domeki's blood...
Magic. Simple as that. Don't expect her to play surgeon with him - her turf is the supernatural world.

and finally, i'm curious about what yuuko was saying about the bond between syoran and watanuki. that's making the mystery growing way bigger -_- (akh, damn calmp and their marvelous yet annoying cliffhangers ~~)
...Hmmm...I remember in one of the earlier chapters that Yuuko says, while observing Watanuki, 'he's really a good/interesting child as we thought...Clow.'
Which means that Clow Reed must have been aware of Watanuki's (future) birth and/or existence, and/or examined his case a long time ago...or that there is some hidden link between the two, even if it's a superfluous one.
And when we know that, according to Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, that Syaoran bears Clow's blood (meaning, that he is one of Clow's descendants), Syaoran (the true one with his memories intact) one can only theorize as to what's really going on, whether Syaoran knows the real deal about Watanuki and his importance or whatnot.

I'm still wondering how things will change between him and Watanuki - now that she doesn't have to put a façade and the like. And about her constant smiling, well, it sort of reminds me of Rurouni Kenshin's character, Seta Sojiro, who constantly smiles to hide his dark past, possibly as a way to defend himself from whatever haunts/plagues him. It' perhaps her way to fend off the sadness that her curses brings her on a constant basis.

i think this WAS the climax. i think i read somewhere that after this was revealed the manga will shortly end T_T
Is that true? I'm a bit dubious about this because, even though Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles also reached a quite climactic point (if not the crux of the story since it revolves around Syaoran, his true identity and his past), I'm not sure whether everything's over or about to. Sure, CLAMP isn't obligated to prolong XXXHolic to cover TRC's aftermath (as I guess we're entering TRC's final or penultimate arc from the recent revelations) since both timelines are independent from each other but since it's their way to tie all of their universes together, I wonder if they aren't going to keep it running for a little longer, even if it's just a few months. Moreover, there are still a few things left to discuss in XXXHolic, like Watanuki's nature and how to deal with his 'curse', etc, etc.
This should give us some hope on seeing it lasting a little while longer, I guess.

[SailorYue]

well acording to a magazine artical;, in newtype (jap) an interveiw with one fo the 4 ladies...(i forget who...don now hteir names...the oe with "O.A. as her initials?) in the artical she said that when a big secret is revealed xxxholic will shortly end afterwards... and i dont think you can get any bigger then himiwari's secret.

[Renegade334]

I see. Maybe, then. It could also be something like the reason why Watanuki can see spirits, Youko's past or whatnot - there are still many things left hidden in XXXHolic's world, like what Clow saw in Watanuki that made the boy so interesting, etc...

BTW, the O.A. person should be Ohkawa Ageha:
http://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=208


Name: Ageha Ohkawa
Role: team leader; story & script
DOB: March 2
Blood-type: A
Birthplace: Osaka

Name: Satsuki Igarashi
Role: design; art assistant
DOB: Feb 8
Blood type: A
Birthplace: Born in Kyoto, raised in Shiga

Name: Tsubaki Nekoi
Role: art assistant; chibi artist; lead artist on Wish, Legal Drug, Suki, The One I Love
DOB: January 21
Blood-type: O
Birthplace: Kyoto

Name: Apapa Mokona
Role: lead artist; colors
DOB: June 16
Blood-type: A
Birthplace: Kyoto

I think there were originally six of them but one quit the group to follow her own path...

[SailorYue]

there was more. ALOT more. i forget the exact numter...it was 6 for a while after that and then 4 for the past 17 years ^^

[SailorYue]

ugh. one more holicless week @_@

[-KarumA-]

ugh. one more holicless week @_@

i know its pure suffering O.O

[SailorYue]

i know its pure suffering O.O

make that 2. no xxxholic till the 3oth :twitch:

[-KarumA-]

make that 2. no xxxholic till the 3oth :twitch:

mass doujin reading in the mean time it is then XD

[SailorYue]

ch 121 posted to msn group

[Mitaan]

Oh I really LOVE this manga *o*

The story is amazing and I like the characters so much, Yuko is so cool ^__^

Well... I've got the volumes 1 - 7, here in Spain there are just 7 on sale... I've been waiting for the 8th for so long >.<

Personally my favourite characters are Yuko and Domeki, but I also like Watanuki a lot... but right now Himawari seems to be having more and more importance...

I prefer not to read spoilers ^^!

[SailorYue]

ch 122 posted to msn

[SailorYue]

sorry for the delay, ch 123 is now up at msn

[Rene]

Hihi~ I love the manga too! Its really interesting
my favourite character got to be Yuuku!
she is sooo cool!
Just read vol 10 last week
I really really love vol 10! My favourite book out of all

[Mareel]

I think there is still a bit to go as Himawari's secret is not the biggest secret they could have revealed. Also. for long running stories, the multiple climatic points (of differening magnitudes) are neccessary to keep the story from getting stale usually. I think we are closing in on the end, but I think there are still several big things yet to come.

[Renegade334]

Well, I believe the ONE secret that should be the crux of the entire series is nothing but...Watanuki's own nature. Clow and Yuuko both foresaw his importance and how special he was - heck, even the true Syaoran paid a certain price to save him even if, by all accounts, both are (to the best of our knowledge, of course) complete strangers. It simply shows that beyond the influence Watanuki's actions have on the world at large (throughout the adventures Yuuko often sends him off to), there is more to him than meets the eye and what he simply does right now.

I guess that when an explanation on what exactly is so special about him will be released, the series will simply come to a close - because the character and plot development will most likely run out of new material to add on and there' not much maneuver margin left. But then again, the latest chapters spurred a lot of questions about why Watanuki stands out - which makes me wonder if we aren't already entering an arc centered around him...possibly the final one. But I could always be wrong, of course. One can only hope.

[SailorYue]

theres definalty a few more adventures for the dynamic duo of dou-wata to go. like, why doumeki was entrusted with that inddestructable egg? the whole "himiwari isnt good" arc is clsoed. now were into a more important arc. like how TRC crossovers are happeneing more frequently.

[SailorYue]

chapter 124 posted to msn

[Gift of Names]

http://tinyurl.com/2cdc32

I adore xxxHOLiC. I've been waiting for quite some time for the ninth issue to show up here in my city. I am very interested to see how the story will progress and what, exactly, Watanuki is going to become. I also want to see the showdown between Yūko and Fei Wong Reed that's been hinted at.

[-KarumA-]

i read chapter 134 several weeks ago when it came out, i must say that it is rolling like a rollercoaster now XD and i am very curious about what will happen to Watanuki, ill put the rest of my post in spoilertags for those hwo havent read it yet and dont wanna be spoiled and for those who do not know yet, chapter 134 is part of volume 12

the dream that Watanuki had surely left me with many questions, for starters if it was infact a dream or if it was reality, reality because Yuuko was still able to explain everything about Sakura to Watanuki however as they spoke of the butterfly fortune telling way before in volume 2 i was left very confussed, it made be think that either Watanuki dreamt of Yuuko helping him and will eventually wake up to find the shop gone or that h was able to enter Yuuko's dream where they spoke, i sure hope the next chaptr will enlighten things a little, specially about what Haruka and Yuuko said in earlier chapters:
the fortune teller said that the butterfly was the start of a change, Haruka added in later chapters that the butterfly Watanuki knows well is having a dream, Watanuki then reffers the butterfly to Yuuko who is wearing a butterfly like kimono in the dream... yet what also leaves me wondering is if Watanuki didnt make a mistake in thinking it was infact Yuuko or whether it is infact Sakura who int he mean time in Tsubasa Chronicle enters a dream like state, seperating mind and body to enter the world she wants to visit so dearly, also i cannot shake this feeling that everytime i look at Watanuki i start thinking of Clow Reed, i surely believe there is a deeper connection between the two characters, maybe even relatives, father and son.. we know that Watanuki's parents died long ago in i believed it was a car crash (?) but we never got to see their faces.. only their hands lol


daamn i so wish for a second season of xxxholic lol

[Berserker]

I haven't read lots of Tsubasa Chronicles. But, what was up with Kurogane and Yuuko earlier in the xxxHolic manga? What did she mean when she said Kurogane owed her more after he ate Watanuki's chocolate? And what was Kurogane doing to Mokona for her to "threaten" him?

[Klashikari]

Chocolate : In japan, Girls and women give chocolate to men (not necessarily lover) as a valentine gift.
1 month later, the 14th march, it is the white day. Men who received chocolate during valentine give a present, which worth twice/thrice the value of the chocolate.

As you can guess, Yuuko pretty much give "her" chocolate, expecting some rare presents in return. (she even said that kuro-chan must give a present TEN times worth, since he was late :heh:)

as for the threat, nothing particular : Kurogane doesn't really like Mokona's pranks and jokes, thus, he "hits" him (not really in a violent way) and chases him a lot of times.

[Berserker]

^ Ah, okay then, thank you. Oh, and you mean Kurogane was late in returning the gift?

Still, it is kind of unfair for Watanuki to give Yuuko a White Day gift, when she still didn't get him any Chocolate. And yes, I did read the part where she explained that she "got" him to make the chocolate. But that is still kind of unfair, don't you think? I feel bad for Watanuki sometimes. :heh:

[Klashikari]

Well... he wasn't especially "late"... he didn't get a clue at all, and didn't send anything :heh:
Shaolan and friends obviously didn't have any knowledge about the Valentine and White Day "system".

after some time (sounds like several days), Yuuko didn't received anything, and ask for Black Mokona to send them something.
it was in fact A Bamboo, with some message in it. (the irony here : It was pretty much a critical help for the crew, but i won't spoil)
the message reads roughly (i translate it from french version ^^") :
"i'm still waiting for my white day gift. next warning, it will be thrice the value !"

While everyone was clueless, White Mokona finally realised, and explained to everyone what was valentine day.
of course, Sakura and Shaolan wanted to thank her properly, while Kurogane was really relunctant (heck, in fact, mokona litteraly forced him to have a bite of the chocolate, and he announced it to Yuuko, which has considered as "an accepted chocolate)

as for watanuki, well... i think this is half joke, but also half fate.
Yuuko has really a small margin in term of actions, even for the futile moments.
you will understand with Watanuki's Birthday.

[nadare]

chapter 136 has major spoilers for Tsubasa Chronicle >.<.

[Berserker]

Well... he wasn't especially "late"... he didn't get a clue at all, and didn't send anything :heh:
Shaolan and friends obviously didn't have any knowledge about the Valentine and White Day "system".

after some time (sounds like several days), Yuuko didn't received anything, and ask for Black Mokona to send them something.
it was in fact A Bamboo, with some message in it. (the irony here : It was pretty much a critical help for the crew, but i won't spoil)
the message reads roughly (i translate it from french version ^^") :
"i'm still waiting for my white day gift. next warning, it will be thrice the value !"

While everyone was clueless, White Mokona finally realised, and explained to everyone what was valentine day.
of course, Sakura and Shaolan wanted to thank her properly, while Kurogane was really relunctant (heck, in fact, mokona litteraly forced him to have a bite of the chocolate, and he announced it to Yuuko, which has considered as "an accepted chocolate)

as for watanuki, well... i think this is half joke, but also half fate.
Yuuko has really a small margin in term of actions, even for the futile moments.
you will understand with Watanuki's Birthday.


Thanks for explaining. So, I am guessing Yuuko gave them another warning? She even said that they owed them more now, or was it just Kurogane that owed her three times as much?

[nadare]

the latest chapter... Yuuko said the time of destiny has arrived...

Is xxxholic manga gonna end soon ?

[ellifeedn]

I recently picked up this series and I love it. I have managed to read up to chapter 136 and thought of the following:

1. Concerning Himawari's bad luck, maybe it's some sort of protection spell that was misdone and was supposed to protect her from harm but protects her from everything. (This is only a possibility)

2. If 1 is true (it may not be by the way), then maybe something happens and the "protection" spreads to Wantanuki and allows the two to be together. (This is a long shot)

3. Perhaps Kohane will visit Yûko and, after asking for a wish, will start working in the shop and get closer to Wantanuki. (Again only a possibility)

4. If anyone read TRC, then you would know about the body's memory. Maybe clone Syaoran's body will remember how much he likes Sakura and wants to be with her if he sees Sakura giving a hug (and if need be a peck on the cheek:uhoh:) to... oh I don't know... Wantanuki maybe? (:uhoh: I know there will be attempts on my life for this. This is one of the longest shots I've ever thought of. This is just something I made up)

[Fragment]

I started reading XXX holic just out of curiousity one day in Chapters. The manga was a little messy and a tad hard to follow. After the first few chapters I stopped reading.

[aikming]

I read Tsubasa Chronicle and decide to read xxholics as well. it really makes me understand tsubasa a lot better.

[-KarumA-]

i came across this message, seemingly the series OST is finally going to get released..
also it said somehting about a holic PS2 game, hmm that ought to be fun

source:

http://kacpy.blogsome.com/2007/07/01/cd-xxxholic-tv-gets-an-ost-shokku/

[Shiroth]

i came across this message, seemingly the series OST is finally going to get released..
also it said somehting about a holic PS2 game, hmm that ought to be fun
You should go check out my post in the xxxholic anime thread. Also, there already has been an OST released, which came with volume 03 (DVD). This new CD release shall have those tracks, and more from the anime series --- makes myself, who is a very huge S.E.N.S. fan very happy.

Also, there is a second season for the anime, i've already made a thread so check it out.

Anyway, back on topic: I'm upto chapter 142, though i'm still confused on Watanuki forgetting his parents names --- and the fact that it was left like that at the end of chapter 140. Ah well, that is the Holic way of doing things.

[-KarumA-]

You should go check out my post in the xxxholic anime thread. Also, there already has been an OST released, which came with volume 03 (DVD). This new CD release shall have those tracks, and more from the anime series --- makes myself, who is a very huge S.E.N.S. fan very happy.

Also, there is a second season for the anime, i've already made a thread so check it out.

Anyway, back on topic: I'm upto chapter 142, though i'm still confused on Watanuki forgetting his parents names --- and the fact that it was left like that at the end of chapter 140. Ah well, that is the Holic way of doing things.

second season, thanks for mentioning, im gonna hop over there right away *yay*

it ill probably rturn later on, i'm sure of that, but it wasnt just Watanuki's parents name, also Yuuko's own wish


i find it pretty funny that Watanuki doesnt taste his food.. i woner though why he had that sad expression when Himawari confronted him about it... maybe they'll go deeper into that later on, maybe not...

:3

[Renegade334]

i find it pretty funny that Watanuki doesnt taste his food.. i woner though why he had that sad expression when Himawari confronted him about it... maybe they'll go deeper into that later on, maybe not...

:3Well, one possibility is thatit's like asking someone who's suffering from extreme amnesia what's his name...at least that's how I perceived the situation. It looks like there is more to Watanuki that meets the eye - and he only realizes it now - and somehow it gives him a great sense of unease...or it provides his brain with a 'fatal error'-like message.

One theory would be that he was brainwashed after his parents died and certain things he knew or learnt beforehand were either locked up in a dark corner but now they're trying to get out (or Watanuki gets anxious each time he tries to break this wall of silence). But anyway, we might be starting the final arc now since we're finally addressing Watanuki's nature - and CLAMP already stated a few months ago that the manga would end after a quite important revelation. So...who knows.

[-KarumA-]

Well, one possibility is thatit's like asking someone who's suffering from extreme amnesia what's his name...at least that's how I perceived the situation. It looks like there is more to Watanuki that meets the eye - and he only realizes it now - and somehow it gives him a great sense of unease...or it provides his brain with a 'fatal error'-like message.

One theory would be that he was brainwashed after his parents died and certain things he knew or learnt beforehand were either locked up in a dark corner but now they're trying to get out (or Watanuki gets anxious each time he tries to break this wall of silence). But anyway, we might be starting the final arc now since we're finally addressing Watanuki's nature - and CLAMP already stated a few months ago that the manga would end after a quite important revelation. So...who knows.

whooooo that got me all excited.. too bad we have to wait :( nyuuh

[Anh_Minh]

So... What the hell is Watanuki? What's his link to Shaoran? What are Doumeki and Himawari?

We've seen Watanuki in school, haven't we? Didn't he even play football? And there's Kohane's mother. She has no problem seeing him.

The bit about his parents... I thought he, or they, were just victim of some sort of spell. Maybe like Shana's people getting their power of existence stolen. Now I wonder if they ever existed.

The bit about the food was creepy, but I forgot about it. Does he ever eat? It was funny when Yuko kept him so busy he could enjoy the feasts he prepared, but I thought he at least ate normally once in a while. Now... it all appears in a new light.

Speculation: Yuuko created him as part of Shaolan's wish. But why?

[Shiroth]

Wow, that was good --- that was CLAMP good! After the past not knowing his parents names, and the taste of his own food --- this was a very unexpected turn of events, though does make you look back on Watanuki's life with a lot of thought.

Speculation: Yuuko created him as part of Shaolan's wish. But why?
It does seem like the chapter was headed towards that, and thus showing us the real purpose behind the xxxHolic & Tsubasa Chronicle connection. Asking for Yuuko's wish, --- i do wonder what it could be. Her surprised look was brilliant.

Hug in the final panel, lovely.

[Anh_Minh]

Yuuko's wish?

The clichéd thing would be for her to want to not be the Witch of Dimensions anymore. To be freed from that life where she has to demand a price for every little thing she does for people, even those she love.

But judging by the past, I'd say her wish involves alcohol and food.

[Shiroth]

Yuuko's wish?

The clichéd thing would be for her to want to not be the Witch of Dimensions anymore. To be freed from that life where she has to demand a price for every little thing she does for people, even those she love.

But judging by the past, I'd say her wish involves alcohol and food.
True it would be the usual case, though not once have we seen Yuuko not enjoy her life at the moment, though saying that its the same for wanting another life. I wouldn't feel let down if CLAMP went down that path --- it would be nice to see. This also shows that we're near the end of the story, now that the focus has finally hit Yuuko.

& yeah, i wouldn't be surprised by the alcohol and food gag, though its a very serious matter, so i hope it doesn't end up being like that.

[White Manju Bun]

gah CLAMP makes my head hurt @_@

Ok....gah Im confused...well 143 was a nice little creepy chap even though I thought it was a bit predictbale. 144 was amazing. I was very glad that Yuuko did tell Watanuki that he was human. The hug was adorable but the look on Yuuko's face when Watanuki asked her wish, that was priceless.

[Anh_Minh]

True it would be the usual case, though not once have we seen Yuuko not enjoy her life at the moment, though saying that its the same for wanting another life.

Well, we have seen her at Watanuki's birthday... I think she regretted only being able to give her "feelings".

[Shiroth]

but the look on Yuuko's face when Watanuki asked her wish, that was priceless. [/spoiler]
Yes i agree, that was lovely. Its always nice to see a character go out of place such as that, especially one like Yuuko, who's normal attitude never stops.

Well, we have seen her at Watanuki's birthday... I think she regretted only being able to give her "feelings".
Hmm thats true, and that could mean she'll want a free life for Watanuki's sake.

[ellifeedn]

Just tell me one thing: is everything that has happened up to now been a dream?

[Anh_Minh]

No, it's been several dreams.

[Asai]

Out of curiosity, how many volumes are there in Japan currently? I picked up the first three (in English, Del-Ray's version) this week and my local comic/manga store, and Borders both only had up to volume eight. So I'm wondering how much more I have to wait on after I catch up to what's available at the moment.

The news of a second anime series excited me enough to go sink $60 on the first three volumes, and I'll be buying the rest as I can ($21 a volume is a bit steep, though, considering how quickly they're read.) -- Only other manga I've ever bought is Genshiken. But xXxHOLiC is one of my all time favourite series, so I figured having the manga as well as the anime would be well worth the investment. ^^;

[Shiroth]

Asai: Del Ray's release is upto volume 09, with 10 being released this month. I'm not to sure what volume Japan is upto, though its at chapter 144 at the moment.

[-KarumA-]

11 volumes were released so far and then not counting the chapters that havent been bundled yet which are over 10, so thats another one

[aki/kaze/shi]

I want to read it, but my mom won't let me because of the title. But I know what they meant by the title. Great, and Yuuko's clothes aren't helping. XD

My friend read all this. I finished the anime and am dying to read the manga. But my friend got it from a library. Of all manga titles, this is practically the only one in the library. Sweet.^^

[-KarumA-]

i understand that the xxx can make people go kinda o.o but let her read the back that should solve some of the ideas that it might give her >.>; never really thought that people could think about the manga like that lol

okay random question since people here should read both manga's what happened to the manga discussion topic of Tsubasa Chronicle ? i cant seem to find it anywhere in this section anymore

EDIT: nevermind it seems like that topic died after i last replied..

[Asai]

I don't read Tsubasa since the story doesn't interest me nearly as much as Holic does. I may eventually pick it up in an omnibus collection or something, but Holic is vastly superior in every aspect.

[-KarumA-]

in the latest chapter of Tsubasa something new happened :3 nothing was really said but the scene is i think quite important

Syaoran is seen in the dream world walking up to Watanuki, who turns around and sees him

i wonder whats going to happen int he next TC chapter and if they will conversate then, most importantly what will be said

EDIT

new chapter is unleashed :3


it could be that my calculations were right all allong, there is a strong conection between Watanuki and Syaoran and i am having brotherly vibes going there :3

the two meet int he dream world, they start to talk and eventually here comes the Dont DIssapear, Watanuki was giving me quite depresive vibes int he beginning it was as if he thought he was going to dissapear and wasnt so sure about his excistence anymore :0

other than that Watanuki asks why Syaoran paied the price for him, when he fell out of the window etc. it was because Watanuki had done the same for him once, Syaoran also knows what this strong connection between them is but cant tell Watanuki anything baout it or the course of the future will dresticly change, seems like Watanuki has a large part to play in both Tsubasa (which i was already anticipating about ever sinc ehe started popping up in the dreamworld etc.) and it makes me exciting about the ending of both series

there was also a non dream scene of Yuuko in her butterfly kimono :3 that wa snot in the dream world it seems, ill have to reread those chpaters >.< they were so confussing it was hard to make out what was real and what was not



and with this week having a Tsubasa chapter it means that this week there wont be a holic chapter, im hoping for one to come next week cause im just very curious about what will happen :3

[EvaForever]

Is Del-Rey's version edited?

[zeldalover]

Last time I went to the shop that has tons of manga goodies near where I live, I saw this new one out by CLAMP which looked really interesting. The artwork was typically theirs and it seemed like they were going back to some of their usual, older style with more detail. It's called XXX Holic, and apparently, similar to Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles (has anyone heard of that?) it mixes lots of their characters from different series, but also brings in some new ones. The story is of this sorceress called Yuuko who owns a shop, and a boy comes in there and ends up working for her....

Has anyone heard of it? What do you think? Do you think CLAMP's "remix" mangas will have success? Has anyone read any?

I've read about the first chapter of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, and it's pretty good, though it's a bit odd to see characters you're normally familiar with playing different roles, and sometimes related to different people...


yea, ive read tsubasa, and its one of my favorites! im not sure, but as far as i know, everyone in tsubasa and in xxxholic are in different situations. though.... thats what im TOLD....

[nadare]

What happened to xxxholic ? Wasn't it a bi-monthly manga?

[-KarumA-]

yea, ive read tsubasa, and its one of my favorites! im not sure, but as far as i know, everyone in tsubasa and in xxxholic are in different situations. though.... thats what im TOLD....

different situations but they all come together
some things they do in Holic are later on used in Tsubasa
such as items that appear through the two Mokana's mouths :3
right now there also seems to be a connection between characters from both series, but much about that hasnt been revealed yet

[Apterous]

I've been reading Del-Ray's xxxHolic, but sort of dropped Tsubasa after a few chapters. I just really like the line art and subject matter in Holic, but Tsubasa didn't really jump out at me. Am I missing a lot of the cross-over stuff by skipping Tsubasa? :confused:

[-KarumA-]

I've been reading Del-Ray's xxxHolic, but sort of dropped Tsubasa after a few chapters. I just really like the line art and subject matter in Holic, but Tsubasa didn't really jump out at me. Am I missing a lot of the cross-over stuff by skipping Tsubasa? :confused:

uuhm not really, i believe that you can read it without reading Tsubasa, it more or less gives reasons for Yuuko's assignments in some situations..
later on somethings happen in Tsubasa that have effect on Holic, some of the things are very confussing if you havent read the Tsubasa version, but that is only int he start of that situation, later on when thing get more explained you understand more of it

i find that i can predict situations beter and understand certain things bter because of Tsubasa and by reading both it adds more to the mystery and secrets that connects both series :)

[Anh_Minh]

The first few volumes are safe to read without Tsubasa.

The way the stories are turning now, though, I'm not so sure.

[Illsaide Yuy]

When I'm browsing randomly, I found news that XXXholic ch145 is starting on 10/22. Does anyone know anything about that?

[Sakuya]

When I'm browsing randomly, I found news that XXXholic ch145 is starting on 10/22. Does anyone know anything about that?

When did it stop to begin with? :twitch:

[Illsaide Yuy]

Uhm, doesnt it went hiatus after ch144? Well, if it didnt... then my mistake here ^^' (sorry >.<)

[Sakuya]

Uhm, doesnt it went hiatus after ch144? Well, if it didnt... then my mistake here ^^' (sorry >.<)

No, don't be sorry. I didn't even know. :heh: Thanks for clueing me in.

[-KarumA-]

chapter 145 has just been released cheers =3
next one is out 19/11 =O

they just had a lot of Tsubasa to catch up with since there was a period where they only released Holic

[Sakuya]

Wow, another cliffhanger. HOLiC chapters end so fast because nothing happens for so many pages. :heh:

[Renegade334]

Well, that's the problem when you're trying to run two interacting universes at the same time. Can't fault them for putting xxxHolic on hold for a short while, though. But anyway, it looks like Watanuki still has some problems connecting with reality - most of what he thinks will happen don't. I believe he still wonders whether the world he lives in is another dream or whatnot. But honestly, one can't help but get worried at his current state of mind - with all these visions going on, one would wonder whether the guy's not 'drifting' away or becoming a warped spin-off of Schrödinger's cat.

[-KarumA-]

Well, that's the problem when you're trying to run two interacting universes at the same time. Can't fault them for putting xxxHolic on hold for a short while, though. But anyway, it looks like Watanuki still has some problems connecting with reality - most of what he thinks will happen don't. I believe he still wonders whether the world he lives in is another dream or whatnot. But honestly, one can't help but get worried at his current state of mind - with all these visions going on, one would wonder whether the guy's not 'drifting' away or becoming a warped spin-off of Schrödinger's cat.

not only that he is also showing signs of a Dream Gazer, which is very confussing.. :heh: i can't wait for the next chapter :) poor DOumeki doesn't understand anything rofl and depressed Watanuki who is confussed about his excistance isn't making it easier for him =3

[Sakuya]

Wow, the Tsubasa and xxxHOLiC manga are finally merging. :p It has the exact same cliffhanger in Tsubasa Chapter 173 and xxxHOLiC Chapter 145. :eyespin: This is so interesting! I don't think there's any other manga out there that is doing this kind of crossing-into-another-series thing.

[Vincent Moon]

Things are getting really interesting and confusing, what's real, what's just a dream... I can't clearly see where's going this story :p

When is the next chapter coming?

[-KarumA-]

Things are getting really interesting and confusing, what's real, what's just a dream... I can't clearly see where's going this story :p

When is the next chapter coming?

146 has been released today =3

[aikming]

was so happy when 146 actually show who's hand that grab Sakura in Tsubasa 173

[-KarumA-]

in the latest chapter only a small portion was released of what was happening in the holic universe, Sakura was stuck in a dream, that we all know and Syaoran, with the help of a feather, entered the dream world to retrieve her and the feather

[Illsaide Yuy]

in the latest chapter only a small portion was released of what was happening in the holic universe, Sakura was stuck in a dream, that we all know and Syaoran, with the help of a feather, entered the dream world to retrieve her and the feather

Thanks a ton~~~!
I don’t read TRC, so it helped me much

[-KarumA-]

chapter 147 is out =3



poor Kohane ;-; i wonder how they will solve that sitation.. maybe by a new wish..
Doumeki is still clueless as always he he

[Claes]

Dont you ever feel that the story sometimes just wander around random spot?
Like when a hand just pop off and snatching the jug with strawbery sherbet? Or the youkai story (when Watanuki and Doumeki goes fishing)? It seems pointless to me

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Dont you ever feel that the story sometimes just wander around random spot?
Like when a hand just pop off and snatching the jug with strawbery sherbet? Or the youkai story (when Watanuki and Doumeki goes fishing)? It seems pointless to me

CLAMP often disguise plot elements in things that "look" pointless. So we still end up analyzing them anyway.:heh:;)

[ellifeedn]

Chapter 151 came out recently. After reading it, my only reaction is
RUN, WATANUKI, RUN DAMMIT!!! RUN LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!! Kohane looks like she's in deep trouble:(.

[sumowow]

I feel so bad for poor kohane chan. She's so cute and so bright yet she has to deal with all of those problems. As if being called a liar was'nt enough for her, she had to be thrown down the stairs and harrassed at home.

[Irenicus]

RUN, WATANUKI, RUN DAMMIT!!! RUN LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!!
*nods*

BY THE GODS, KID! GO AND SAVE THE LOLI!
:p

I am so looking forward to what he's going to do next chapter.

P.S. The answer is probably somewhere in this thread already, but I'm lazy so I'll ask it anyway: Is this a weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly manga?

[ellifeedn]

Well, Wantanuki made it just in the nick of time:).

[Irenicus]

Nice save, Watanuki. :)

Far too short a chapter for the wait, though. -_-

[-KarumA-]

Aah we're alive again! XD IECKS!
go Watanuki go go!
i wonder why anyone didnt try and stop him.. they only tried to stop Doumeki...
it isnt as if he's invisible to them because eh showed up at the cameras...
ghaaah... and i wonder what Doumeki's egg is for! @-@ maybe he'll finally have to use it!

[nadare]

I think it was because the entrance of Watanuki was sudden. This alerted security and thus saw Doumeki.

er... isnt xxxholic bi-monthly? did it go to monthly now ?

[ellifeedn]

New chapter had Kohane's past.She's also in the shop and I wonder what her wish will be.

[Claes]

Ah, I see that Doumeki has become a regular customer in Yuko's shop

[-KarumA-]

New chapter had Kohane's past.She's also in the shop and I wonder what her wish will be.

i think it that it has to do with family...
she probably wants things to be like they were, with her mother forgetting about the television fame and accepting her again for whom she is and loving her..

i bett he price for it will be her ability to see ghosts or something..



and yes Doumeki's a regular now =3
he has ever since the window accident

[White Manju Bun]

i think it that it has to do with family...
she probably wants things to be like they were, with her mother forgetting about the television fame and accepting her again for whom she is and loving her..

i bett he price for it will be her ability to see ghosts or something..




Its gonna be something involving her mom, I agree there. Hopefully the price will be giving up her ability since that seems to be the one thing she really wants to get rid of and be normal.

[ellifeedn]

In chapter 154 we get a lesson about revenge.

[Renegade334]

I think it was because the entrance of Watanuki was sudden. This alerted security and thus saw Doumeki.

er... isnt xxxholic bi-monthly? did it go to monthly now ?The problem is that xxxHolic's release schedule has become erratic as CLAMP wants it to run in near synchronicity with their other series, TRC. Which means that at times, xxxHolic will be delayed so that events from both series will coincide and avoid spoiling each other.

We already saw it with the dream-Sakura mini-arc, where xxxHolic had to wait until TRC caught up and allowed its fellow series to move on unhindered and unhindering.

[ellifeedn]

While I respect Kohane's desire to protect her mother and all, why does she think she can trade her ability to see ghosts and stuff when Wantanuki is working to get rid of it:eyebrow:? If Yuko accepts, it'll be unfair to him I tells ya.

With that thought in mind, I hope we can see someone attempt to bargin with Yuko on the price for a wish.

[Kushi]

While I respect Kohane's desire to protect her mother and all, why does she think she can trade her ability to see ghosts and stuff when Wantanuki is working to get rid of it:eyebrow:? If Yuko accepts, it'll be unfair to him I tells ya.

With that thought in mind, I hope we can see someone attempt to bargin with Yuko on the price for a wish.

I think it's because of the way things are. Watanuki sees his "ability" as a curse, when Kohane [or at least her mother] sees her ability as a blessing or at least a way to make money. Sure it's not fair, but Watanuki's also at fault for not using it to make money. If he did he might see it as a blessing and then the ability would actually be important to him

[Renegade334]

While I respect Kohane's desire to protect her mother and all, why does she think she can trade her ability to see ghosts and stuff when Wantanuki is working to get rid of it:eyebrow:? If Yuko accepts, it'll be unfair to him I tells ya.

With that thought in mind, I hope we can see someone attempt to bargin with Yuko on the price for a wish.I'm not sure Watanuki is proactively trying to dispel it. As shown in the Himawari case, he's obviously learned that wishes initiated by one side cannot always bring satisfaction or liberation to the other side. All things considered, I think he's more like trying to protect her against the current situation than attempting to do anything rash...that might crush Kohane. He knows better than go and offer another part of himself, in complete disregard of the other parties' feelings.

Moreover, as Kohane was allowed to enter Yuuko's shop, he plainly knows that she has a wish of her own and from there on, it's no longer in his hands - another lesson bought dearly. If Kohane follows through with her decision, then it all comes down to her and her taking responsibility for it. The only thing Watanuki can bring to the picture is support for his friend and hope she'll pull through.

[Anh_Minh]

I think he means "Watanuki has to work to get rid of his power. Why should Kohane be able to just use her as a price?"

[Xellos-_^]

I think he means "Watanuki has to work to get rid of his power. Why should Kohane be able to just use her as a price?"


Kohane isn't wishing to get rid of the power. She is wishing for happiness. and the price she offered is her power.

Watanuki's wish is to get rid of his power. His price is his work. Now he could probably use his power as a price for a wish. But what does he wish for that would be the equalient of his power and let him be able walk in to yuuko's store to make that trade.

[Claes]

Yuko's price for removing Kohane power: priceless >_<

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Poor Watanuki, his love life just seems to be getting more and more convoluted lol We have the Zashiki-Warashi, Himawari, and now Kohane wants him as well >.<

It weird though, in volume 11 Yuko gave all these hints about the story coming to an end, but nothing else seems to be happening really, and what is happening is going really slowly.

[ellifeedn]

Poor Watanuki, his love life just seems to be getting more and more convoluted lol We have the Zashiki-Warashi, Himawari, and now Kohane wants him as well >.<

He has a harem. That kindness of his will be his undoing, you can be sure of that. I can already see Maru and Moro teasing him with their usual banter. Now that I think about it, when was the last time Maru and Moro appeared?

[Miles Teg]

Now that I think about it, when was the last time Maru and Moro appeared?

Chapter 126, they have to "sleep" to be able to "protect" the shop.


Something happening for once :D

Kohane power were coming from a feather of Sakura and since the price was to high Yuuko has decided to remove all the rumor about Kohane and her mother instead of only her mother. But only the rumor are erased not the past.

And everything Kohane has said in chapter 150 is true, she has never lie in TV.

[Seravy]

kohane's power = one of sakura's feathers !!

[Neki Ecko]

kohane's power = one of sakura's feathers !!

So that means that the final battle in TRC and xXxHolic will be held in Watanuki's world but that means that one of Watanuki friends could be a clone as well.

[ellifeedn]

If Kohane's power came from Sakura's feather, does that mean that Watanuki's comes from the same source? Is Himawari's "cause-everyone-bad-luck" curse a result of Fei-Wong's doing? Now that Kohane's feather is out of her, does that mean we will see Clone Syaoran again? So much plot, so little chapter.

[finalnight]

C!Syaoran vs Doumeki death match now? That would rock so damn hard.

[Eleutheria]

Oh great. I read 156 too. Thought Watanuki "finally found someone just like him", only to have that pulled out from under his feet, and he doesn't even know that yet.

Which raises a discontinuity. Why didn't white Mokona say there was a feather in this world before sending Clone Syaoran and company off on their journeys so long ago?

[nadare]

Oh great. I read 156 too. Thought Watanuki "finally found someone just like him", only to have that pulled out from under his feet, and he doesn't even know that yet.

Which raises a discontinuity. Why didn't white Mokona say there was a feather in this world before sending Clone Syaoran and company off on their journeys so long ago?

Probably because the White Mokona woke up in a different dimension.

Remember the reason why Fye didn't attack Yuuko with his curse? It was explained that Yuuko was in another dimension from the 3 of them to avoid being attacked.

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Oh great. I read 156 too. Thought Watanuki "finally found someone just like him", only to have that pulled out from under his feet, and he doesn't even know that yet.

Which raises a discontinuity. Why didn't white Mokona say there was a feather in this world before sending Clone Syaoran and company off on their journeys so long ago?

Probably for the same reason Mokona didn't spot the first feather straight away. It wasn't until they found the feather on Syaoran's cloak and Mokona learnt the 'wave length' of the feather that he was able to detect them. Even then he has to be close to the feather, and it has to be doing something for it to be detected,

This was proven on vol one of TRC with the second feather, when Mokona only detected it when the Kudan it was in was trying to protect it's master.

Probably because the White Mokona woke up in a different dimension.

No he didn't. Mokona woke up as soon as Watanuki removed the covers from them. Remember that the white Mokona said the black one looked like poo >.<

[NEONJE]

Poor Watanuki, his love life just seems to be getting more and more convoluted lol We have the Zashiki-Warashi, Himawari, and now Kohane wants him as well >.<

It weird though, in volume 11 Yuko gave all these hints about the story coming to an end, but nothing else seems to be happening really, and what is happening is going really slowly.

I dont see Kohane as a love interest. Isn't she only 11. So far, I think Himawari is the only girl he likes in that way. Of course, I'm rotting for the Zashiki-Warashi. But of course, the manga characters never want the ones who are the kindest to them.

Jeffrey

[Tiamat's Disciple]

I think Kohane is fairly close to him age wise, maybe a year or two apart. Or that was the impression i got. She just seems younger because of the way she's been kept by her mother, totaly cut off from others, no school etc etc.

Himawari was removed from the romance bit in volume 11 IMO when they talked about her curse. While he likes her, i think Himawari would distance herself more and more if she ever fely like that towards him, because she'd fear that the curse would effect him. I mean it's already almost killed him once.

The Zashiki-Warashi is the only real contender, but they've kept her really vague, with no reasons given as to why she likes him or anything. Which is a bit bad IMO, they should of shown what her reasons were. Especially given what she's done because of those feelings (stealing souls, almost getting killed etc etc).

Kohane is the only normal person for him to have a real relationship with now she's had the feather removed and lost her powers. Though TBH i can never see that happening either. While he certainly cares for her alot, i got the impression it was more of a brotherly love, and a desire to help her out cause she's like him.

Yuko would make a good contender though, there's definatly some sort of love there. Though i kept expecting her to turn around and be some sort of relative of his.

[-KarumA-]

2 years..?! i would say atleased 3

edit:

chapter 157 is out XD



so we finally know why he doesnt remember his parents names, past etc.
quite the surprise that he had been to the shop before holic even started..
i wonder if he would to regaint hem, would he still remember everythign that happened up until this point?
ig uess he does, but if he doesnt i wuldnt mind either, points for the drama theme ftw X3

[Proto]

@Karuma

From your post I'd suppose you haven't been up to date with Tsubasa Chronicles the manga. Watanuki's wish is explained in a little more detail in one of the latest chapters. To cut it short, we knew his circumstances from 3 months ago ^_^

Since they are two manga series that often complement each other I'd suggest you to give it a read.

[-KarumA-]

@Karuma

From your post I'd suppose you haven't been up to date with Tsubasa Chronicles the manga. Watanuki's wish is explained in a little more detail in one of the latest chapters. To cut it short, we knew his circumstances from 3 months ago ^_^

Since they are two manga series that often complement each other I'd suggest you to give it a read.

i guess ill have to read those chapters again, things were so hectic with Tsubasa at some point that i didnt even know what was happening and what was not XD
i read holic mroe intensively than Tusaba so i forget some things that happen in Tsubasa such as those pointers, Tsubasa can be so hecktic at soem point that youre like @-@ in the end and i always reread holic when i buy the volumes =3

[d-one]

the next chapter on june 2nd @_@

NOOOOOOOO >_<

[ellifeedn]

It seems that in chapter 157 Kohane still has the power to see spirits, but can not exorcise them. While some questions are answered, a lot more were raised with Mokona's earring. Oh yes, before I forget:

THE SHOP IS EXPOSED!!! WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE IT!!!

Could CC Sakura be living in the same dimension? and will she go visit the shop?


They sure picked some moment to delay releasing chapters. Hopefully TRC will make up for that.

[kk2extreme]

I am suspecting that the parents of Watanuki are the tsr Shaoran and sakura. That is why he has all the magical properties to begin with and the fact that he paid the price of his memories to save tsr sakura.:heh:

[Proto]

Aren't Watanuki's parents to be dead at the start of the series though? I know different dimensions have independent time flow in the Clamp's universe, but they would be setting themselves for one heck of a paradox if that was the case :heh:

[ellifeedn]

Aren't Watanuki's parents to be dead at the start of the series though? I know different dimensions have independent time flow in the Clamp's universe, but they would be setting themselves for one heck of a paradox if that was the case :heh:

Of course there is going to be a paradox, time and space are falling apart.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't remember. Are they really dead, or did we just hear he was "living alone"? 'cause
apparently Shaoran and Sakura like sending away their own kids...

Also, for all we know, Watanuki's parents could be alive and well, and he forgot about it...

[Sterling01]

I don't remember. Are they really dead, or did we just hear he was "living alone"? 'cause
apparently Shaoran and Sakura like sending away their own kids...

Also, for all we know, Watanuki's parents could be alive and well, and he forgot about it...
Watanuki's parents are dead.

[ellifeedn]

After several weeks a new chapter comes out.Watanuki is teaching Kohane to cook and Kohane is pretty cute this chapter. The fortune teller from one of the earlier chapters returns.

[Renegade334]

Also, for all we know, Watanuki's parents could be alive and well, and he forgot about it...
Actually that piece of mystery found its answer...in Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles.

Rest assured, he had parents and they're now dead. The cinch is thathe traded his memories so that Yuuko could help the TRC crew - he considers it as payback for what Syaoran gave him (after he fell from that window).

The catch-22 in that is that by erasing his own memory, he also doesn't even remember paying the price or what was the transaction's purpose...leaving him extremely confused.
Also, regarding the new chapter, it seems something might be wrong with Watanuki or Kohane might want to repay her debt to him, judging by how she started a (discreet) chat with Doumeki where Watanuki couldn't overhear the both of them. Or at least, that's the impression I'm getting.

[FlyByNite]

Well from Tsubasa Chronicles we see different dimension version of characters at different stages of age so it could be that Watanuki is the son of Syaoran & Sakura from another dimension or even the future.

If it's another dimension he just is trying to help another version of his parents be together and overcome these obstacles. If it was the future then they could have actually died and he's trying to change things through his actions. Of course Yuko I think has commented on the future at times, but because of all the stuff Fei Wong Reed is doing and messing up dimensions he could have allowed a time travel thing to happen... I dunno


As for potential romantic relationships in Xxxholic, I'm not sure I see Watanuki surviving. I think the Tsubasa Chronicles/Xxxholic shared storyline might end with him disappearing and then we get a little glimmer of hope with a reincarnated/to be born version of him. I think that might be one of the reasons why we see Yuko so sad at times because I think CLAMP is writing her as liking Watanuki, but knowing what is going to happen and not being able to change it.

If a relationship was possible I'd definitely rather see Yuko/Watanuki or even Zashiki-Warashi/Watanuki. I just see Himawari as the friend/crush character and Kohane as the little sister to protect type characters.

[Sterling01]

Watanuki already looks half dead in the color scan that came with 158
, him dieing wouldn't be that much of a surprisehttp://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3880/0203nf8.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0203nf8.jpg)


I think that might be one of the reasons why we see Yuko so sad at times because I think CLAMP is writing her as liking Watanuki, but knowing what is going to happen and not being able to change it.

That could be why Butterfly Yuko looked sad when Watanuki said he wanted to grant her wish.

On an unrelated note when was the last time we saw Himiwari in the manga.

[ellifeedn]

It has certainly been a while since anyone has posted here. What do you suppose it is about the woman that causes Wantanuki to look at her with that expression?

[FlyByNite]

It has certainly been a while since anyone has posted here. What do you suppose it is about the woman that causes Wantanuki to look at her with that expression?
i was wondering what it was and maybe i'm wrong, but
Doesn't she appear to 'grow younger'? The last image of her which ends the chapter looks like a teenage girl.

[Eleutheria]

Chapter 165. Holy Plot Twists Batman (I said Oh Sh- out loud)


Watanuki's dad is Clow, apparently - Mokona said Watanuki's cooking had the ethereal quality of his father's bloodline - and a shot of Clow is shown.

So I suppose the witch is really his mom?



Well, some other sources say "distant relative" so I should get ahold of the raw and see for myself...

[yezhanquan]

Chapter 165. Holy Plot Twists Batman (I said Oh Sh- out loud)


Watanuki's dad is Clow, apparently - Mokona said Watanuki's cooking had the ethereal quality of his father's bloodline - and a shot of Clow is shown.

So I suppose the witch is really his mom?



Well, some other sources say "distant relative" so I should get ahold of the raw and see for myself...

Well, given that the "real" Tsubasa Syoran is CCS Syoran's son, this one seems innocent enough.

[yezhanquan]

Well, what is certain is that Watanuki is related to Clow Reed. Hmmm... that means he's probably related to CCS Syoran and Sakura.

[Samanosuke]

I wish clamp would stop torturing us with this and just reveal everything soon ;_;

[Anh_Minh]

Looks like Watanuki and Shaoran Jr are brothers and Shaoran Sr and Sakura are dead.

That, or Watanuki's parents aren't really dead. Also, maybe Watanuki and Shaoran are splits of the same person? Since something was taken from Shaoran, maybe Watanuki's it?

Or maybe Watanuki's the son of Eriol and whatsherface? Or Tohya and a genderbent Yukito?

[Eleutheria]

Looks like Watanuki and Shaoran Jr are brothers and Shaoran Sr and Sakura are dead.

That, or Watanuki's parents aren't really dead. Also, maybe Watanuki and Shaoran are splits of the same person? Since something was taken from Shaoran, maybe Watanuki's it?

Or maybe Watanuki's the son of Eriol and whatsherface? Or Tohya and a genderbent Yukito?


Chapter 167:

Real Shaoran and Watanuki are the same person, CCS Shaoran and Sakura are dead.

[Used Can]

I am expecting some sort of reset end.

[Anh_Minh]

Holy hell, I'd forgotten. I'd called it.

[yezhanquan]

Chapter 167:

Real Shaoran and Watanuki are the same person, CCS Shaoran and Sakura are dead.

Strictly speaking, they are not the same person. In Tsubasa, it's explained that Watanuki is a "replacement" for Syaoran, because his choice to "save" Sakura causes such a great disturbance. I don't think it's stated that Kinomoto and Li are dead.

[Anh_Minh]

It's stated that Watanuki's parents are dead. Of course, it could be a mistake.

[yezhanquan]

It's stated that Watanuki's parents are dead. Of course, it could be a mistake.

It may not be an mistake. Heaven knows what the kid had been through, not to mention how his memories had been shaped. I'll be really surprised if Watanuki has no adverse reaction after knowing who he truly is.

[finalnight]

Yeah, with the big notice on the right of the last page saying how everything has been revealed, its pretty likely that:

They are dead, they used lots of wishes and probably ran out of other things to spend.

Now we need to find out the fates of:

R!Syaoran
C!Syaoran
R!Sakura
C!Sakura

[Kresnik]

I don't remember it's stated they wished too much, all it says is that they died protecting him. No mention of any particular methods.

[yezhanquan]

I don't remember it's stated they wished too much, all it says is that they died protecting him. No mention of any particular methods.

I believe it was mentioned that Sakura put up her staff as payment to Yuko. Now, for that to be the payment, I wonder what exactly her wish was.

[Anh_Minh]

Wasn't it to send her son to Clow country?

[yezhanquan]

Wasn't it to send her son to Clow country?

....That's it? The essence of Clow Reed's power in exchange for one dimensional travel? I'm pretty sure that's not very equivalent.

[NickelXenon]

....That's it? The essence of Clow Reed's power in exchange for one dimensional travel? I'm pretty sure that's not very equivalent.

Especially since all the other characters gave up something much less than the staff to travel.

[yezhanquan]

It has to be something more than that, something which Sakura would do as a mother.

[Kresnik]

Well, in the new TRC chapter it is mentioned that:
It's a curse because of his own existence. He will bring calamities to his own parents and those people around him.

[Proto]

Wow, he is Hiwamari comrade in arms then! How cute.

[Anh_Minh]

Worse. At least Himawari's parents are fine.

Heck, maybe the existence of the distortion is what caused Himawari's curse.

[yezhanquan]

From Yuko's words, it seems as if she's willing to help/guide Watanuki. Although his presence is unwholesome to say the least, she did say that Watanuki has a path to walk which he can call his own.

[NickelXenon]

The more CLAMP reveals, the more they tease us.

[yezhanquan]

Now that we have come so far, perhaps we could look back at Yuko's actions on Watanuki.

I think it's fair to say that Yuko's teasing of Watanuki was a show, both to Watanuki and herself. Yuko probably wanted Watanuki to be somewhat distracted about his origins. Yuko herself seems to opt for postponing the day of reckoning as far as possible.

[NickelXenon]

It's true that Yuuko purposely distracts Watanuki. Like the time he won the snowball fight, she purposely made him think of something else when he opened that chest. Other times I think she does it to keep him from realizing how serious the situation is, but in the time of the snowball, I think she was preventing him from getting a wish granted. Maybe at the time he wasn't ready yet to know something.

[hirahira]

This thread hasn't been posted in for a long time.

I really want spoilers for chapter 170

[Claes]

lol. Damn you CLAMP. So CCS Sakura and Shaoran is still alive eh

[kk2extreme]

lol. Damn you CLAMP. So CCS Sakura and Shaoran is still alive eh

they can do anything, even history is being rewritten, but im curious about himawari and domeki, are they suppose to be some sort of recarnation of somebodies close to sakura and shoaran, say toya and tomoyo

[Claes]

I need to re-read trc for that
and perhaps some xxxholic earlier chapters

[ZODDGUTS]

lol. Damn you CLAMP. So CCS Sakura and Shaoran is still alive eh

That's great news.

Would have hated Clamp for killing off those characters, also would have felt really bad for Tomoyo considering how much she cares for Sakura.

[finalnight]

Wtf was that the spirit of domeki's grandfather?

The end-staging continues!

[-KarumA-]

Wtf was that the spirit of domeki's grandfather?

The end-staging continues!

yes it was him and if this goes on the end stage will probably be more than half a year away from now >.< stop teasing clamp!

[yezhanquan]

With developments over @Tsubasa....

Does anyone think that old Gramps will come back? Or, for that matter, anyone who was cursed dead by Himawari?

[finalnight]

Wow, epic death flag on Yuuko.

[yezhanquan]

Well, given what has happened in Tsubasa, I think Yuko might not "die" in the usual sense, but fade away from the memories of everyonewho knew her, as she uses her powers to reverse Fei Wong's spell.

[Kafriel]

I see Watanuki inheriting the shop and telling people he grants wishes...an unusual shop for an unusual man, sounds just like the thing for him.

[kayote]

he might even get to see his patrents. can't rule that out.

i kepp wondering what wouold be Yuko's wish? Watanuki did ask once, though she did not answer.

[Kafriel]

"not to be the strongest witch" perhaps? :heh:

[lovelysan]

Yeah, the way things are going, I've been thinking for a while that Watanuki will end up inheriting the shop at the end.

Ha, maybe he'll end up helping another kid who can see spirits ;) .

[Megacrash Gr]

wonder what really what going on with Yuuko...

[finalnight]

Woah...did they just take out sakura and/or Yuuko? Lots of shared imagery between the two series. Butterflies and all.

[NickelXenon]

Isn't the black butterfly a sign of death?

[Schnitzel]

Isn't the black butterfly a sign of death?

snap, you're right......Yuuko really has a death flag :(

[FlyByNite]

:( I really want a Yuuko/Watanuki ending. But CLAMP has been known to go for the sad ending.

[NickelXenon]

You mean the pairing? I don't think that pairing is possible.

[SidVicious]

That egg, what is it?

[Schnitzel]

That egg, what is it?

Mokona!

well something important thats for sure.