The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 5]

[Catgirls]

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[Prodigious]

I'm vomiting because I'm so sick with anticipation. ;)

I hope this episode clears up a few things.

[Runningkid]

is it even out yet? (sorry i jm such a nooooob!)

[celcius]

Nope. Still about an hour or so before it airs in Japan.

[Onizuka-GTO]

4mins left until airing!! aarrggh!"!!!1 :)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

4mins left until airing!! aarrggh!"!!!1 :)
Can someone please supply a 4-chan link?
I know that such links usually come up by now... And I have no idea how to navigate any Japanese site without much kanji.

[Onizuka-GTO]

sorry. I can only read katakana & a bit of hiragana, so i dunno how to navigate with too much of anything. :rolleyes:

guess we just have to wait. every haruhiist are glued to the TV now....

:(

[SWPIGWANG]

man, you people are counting the minutes to airing.....

[evil-samurai]

Can someone please supply a 4-chan link?
I know that such links usually come up by now... And I have no idea how to navigate any Japanese site without much kanji.-Link removed- Go here (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_ep5.html) for the screenshots.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Sure; here! (http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2752499.htm) it is (though there seems to be some other new ninja anime also at the top of the screens, so just ignore that)


its called himawari. got farting cats and all that.
:D

no threat to haruhi. :rolleyes:

[Plant42]

WOW It's looks like next episode will be "The lone island syndrome" Episode .

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

!!!!!

They are airing episode 9 next week!
It's the island episode.
This means, of course, swimsuits.:D


It looks like the climax of the first book would be the climax of the first series after all.:heh:

[USCPharmacist]

This feel like when they show sailor moon in the state....So it'll be the random advanture of Haruhi heheeh

[Adigard]

From looking at 4chan, this ep was the photo shoot + alien hunt... sweet ^^

Looking forward to finding the raw bt's shortly, and watching this episode later this evening (going to be away while the ep downloads's T_T)

[Keitarou]

Another great episode. As already known we're back to where episode 3 (2) left off last time.


*screens are thumbs, click to enlarge them* ;)

Screenshots for the episode:
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Some more: http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hty5xf.jpg

The conversation between Yuki and Kyon was terrifying in its style, also fitting background music.

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Mikuru abuse wins every time:

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http://i2.tinypic.com/wtzvh5_th.jpg (http://i2.tinypic.com/wtzvh5.jpg)

Afterwards the hunt, the conversation between Mikuru and Kyon was a highlight, especially all the new sides to Mikuru which played out nicely:

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A secret makes a woman woman!

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By the way, I came to a realisation. This show needs more Zettai Shounenish leg shots (http://i2.tinypic.com/wu15rs.jpg). ;)

I also can see why Kyon would dislike Itsuki, that evil smirk: =P

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The sight of Mikuru makes his, and the viewer's, life somewhat livable again though:

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And I would like to be served by a maid like Mikuru as well. But I doubt anybody else wouldn't. ;)

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Next episode it's again a jump, as previously mentioned to the island episode. Actually too bad, I hoped for them to not jump for the next episode and show the Ryouko episode. Oh well, one really couldn't expect them to be linear, could one... :)

[SlugZilla]

Pretty good episode, although there is a hefty amount of dialogue(which serves to make sense of all the craziness). A few very funny moments with Kyon, where he walks in on an unclad Mikuru(twice), and the cell phone call from Haruhi during his little nap was priceless. He was reading "Gakkou wo Deyou!" by the same author.

[Omniscient]

Episode 05 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/04/30/suzumiya-haruhi-no-yuuutsu-05/)

Wow, that was a little overwhelming. Yuki's basically an alien, Mikuru's a time traveler, Itsuki's an esper, and Haruhi is like God. @_@

[Kinny Riddle]

Before I can only imagine, now that it's animated......Nosebleeds at Mikuru in bra and panties shot...twice.

The faithful adaptation continues in this "third" episode. Including Haruhi being pissed at Kyon for no reason picking the marked toothpick, ending up going Mikuru and Yuki. She's so cute even when she's sulking. There's a good reason why she's so mad, but you'll have to find that out yourself.

It's still debateable, but I believe Haruhi has subconsciously taken a liking to the only "normal" person that would tolerate her eccentricities, though she'll never admit it, and would do all sorts of things just to spite Kyon. Kyon may have an idea, after all, he did save the world at the end of volume 1 through very "cheesy" means, but he also tried not to think too much about it.

It's hinted all over the course of the novels. Even the other three SOS members have an idea of how "important" Haruhi values Kyon. Of course Tanigawa-sensei plays them down with great subtlety and they don't develop into any cheesy romance.

The greatness of the story is with the dynamic chemistry of the two lead characters, almost Mulder/Scully like (at least in the early X-Files seasons), which borders on the "are they/aren't they" relationship.

[panzerfan]

The cinematography in this episode is awe-inspiring. The conversation was done in such as way that I was thinking of thought experiment. The Mikuru conversation with water cut in then Koizumi's utterly 'normal' exchange contrasts each other beautifully. Music that is used is also excellent.
Finally, Haruhi's predictament with the formation of SOS comes into full force. Poor Kyon is left as the only point of reference as all of this moves around him. With no comfort in having the answers spoon-fed to him...

We can all then, finally start to delve into the ontological aspects of Haruhi. Now that the worst kept secret of the series is out of the bag...

Leaving that aside, Kyon's using a Motorola V3 lookalike.

[dxgarten]

Episode 05 Screencaps and summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_ep5.html)

This is a return back to the end of episode 3. For a Kyon/Mikuru fans like myself, this one is a major treat. The most impressive part of this episode is definitely the cinematography and the music.

[Julius Firefocht]

I gave this episode an 8. This episode builds a very solid foundation for future stories to be built upon, since the viewer will know just what is going on after this episode.

The Mikuru fanservice and the music are all good, and Haruhi looks so cute even when she is pissed off!

[Prodigious]

Has any Haruhi episode so far been given a bad rating by anyone? :D

[Sushi-Y]

Episode 5 = "The Denpa Episode" :heh:

This episode, again, reproduced vol.1 of the novel almost to a tee, from page 120 to page 174. I was expecting them to cram all the denpa talks into one episode, but actually seeing it happen is still quite a surprise. People who haven't read the novel will probably have difficulties following the conversations (there's an understatement).

Now then, highlights, highlights.
1.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3516/ep500006zm.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500006zm.jpg)
「あなたが選ばれたのには必ず理由がある」 (There must be a reason why you were chosen)
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「ねーよ」 (Heck no)
Sugita-san, suteki-- :heh:

2.
Obligatory Mikuru shot.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3503/ep500033bz.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500033bz.jpg)

3.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7259/ep500042sd.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500042sd.jpg)
「もういいだろう、これ以上は色んな法律に引っかかる！」 (Enough already, you're going to violate various laws if you go any further!)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1696/ep500050sr.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500050sr.jpg)
「何の法律よ」 (What law?)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8855/ep500063mz.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500063mz.jpg)
...*Ah*
Harunyan suteki-- :heh:

4.
Haruhi's active skill: Beverage Drain. (You should see her when she does this with hot coffee)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3128/ep500079ps.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep500079ps.jpg)

5.
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Mikuru's "introduction" event. The soothing music cutting off in a sudden but natural way was a nice touch.

Also, a personal comment,
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This riverside (and its surroundings) was a key location in vol.7, so by the end of the volume, I already had a mental image locked in my head for what it might look like through the various descriptions (path along the river lined with cherry blossom trees, the river is shallow and the bank is 3m lower than the walkway, the other side of the path is a slope going up to the prefectural roadway, etc.).

The anime matched my imagination exactly, so I was quite surprised. :heh: Thank you Kyoani for not ruining my image. :heh:

6.
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「禁則事項です♥」 (That's a prohibited subject ♥)
The cheesy scale was over the top, but I suspect that's what they were aiming for. :heh:

7.
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:twitch:
*stops playback*
............ (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=542588&postcount=83)
ROFLMAOBBQ!1!! *insert Tsuruya-san laughing animation*

Is this a sign to my earlier question about buying them? Alright, I'm sold!!1!:D:D:D

8.
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Nice atmosphere, don't you think? ^^;

9.
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Next week, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, Episode 9! Lone Island Syndrome (前編 Part 1).

Arakawa-san~ Mori-san~

I see one of the predictions hit the mark (well, I pretty much guessed everything, so there shouldn't be any misses ^^; )

But... 前編... that means there's going to be a part 2 (後編)... that means this thing is going to take up 2 episodes (9 + 10), that means... that means...
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1621/novelvol48hk.jpg
Noooooooooo~~--.... :(

[Kaoru Chujo]

Another winner, even though I could only get the gist of what they were saying, and won't get the details until the second watch and the Chinese and English subs, lol.

Mikuru's conversation with Kyon made me glad I chose her in the favorite character thread. Her tone was just serious enough that I could believe her through the miasma of moe. Her first date.... Not that Haruhi, Yuki, Kyon and Itsuki (Ono Daisuke) weren't great, too.

And the cell-phone in the library scene was definitely another unstoppable-laughter moment. So was Yuki's wonderful tripping gait in the library (similar to her gait rounding the bases in the baseball game). I can imagine the animators loving getting that right.

Some of the shot composition was indeed incredibly good. The pan up from the ground to Kyon and Itsuki talking, even though it was a money-saving long shot, worked extremely well for me, giving a you-are-there feeling.

The unearthly side-images during Kyon's first conversation with Yuki were amazing, too, giving a lot of visual interest during a necessarily talky sequence.

[totalnet]

My take on the cinematography of this episode is the Kyon's state of mind as each of the three members explain why they are there. Kyon is most confuse when Yuki is explaining, so b/w, fish eye, wide angle, and etc. When Mikiru is explaining, Kyon is only a little bit confuse. Only a few fish eye shots and echo of Mikru's voice in the beginning. And when Kyon ask Itsuki to explain, so no weird effects only lower and tilted angle shots.

PS, my take on the background music is that the music reflect the personality of the three members.

[Onizuka-GTO]

My take on the cinematography of this episode is the Kyon's state of mind as each of the three members explain why they are there. Kyon is most confuse when Yuki is explaining, so b/w, fish eye, wide angle, and etc. When Mikiru is explaining, Kyon is only a little bit confuse. Only a few fish eye shots and echo of Mikru's voice in the beginning. And when Kyon ask Itsuki to explain, so no weird effects only lower and tilted angle shots.

hey, nice explaination. :)

now that you mentioned it, it does make sense. :D

[eVaX]

This was a total shock. With the most dialogue and exposition so far in the show, you'd believe it'd be a snore. I should have never of doubted the win of Mikuru in a maid outfit. :love:

KyoAni once again exceeded my expectations in every way.

Couldn't stop laughing at the club's mission.

"I don't mind joining but what does this club do?"
"I'll tell you! SOS brigade is about finding aliens, time travelers, espers and to play with them!"
rofl.

[techiet]

Thoroughly enjoyed this epsiode, and I can't wait for the sub.
Mikuru looked so lovely in this episode even though she had to deal with Haruhi's antics. Kyon gets alone time with her too? Lucky. I'm just wondering if the fansub can explain all that xD Good thing I read the translations.

Next ep: Wait...Yuki finally gets a change of outfit? That doesn't make sense D: Curious to see how that episode turns out.

[Onizuka-GTO]

I think people who are watching the raw will find this episode abit of a drag, its by far the mose dialogue intense so far, i suspect all you Monolingo viewers, will be tearing your hair out for the subs. it just can't come fast enough. :upset:

On the upside, its still enjoyable, visual gags and scenes that you just seem to "understand" what they are saying, either from words you recognise or from reading the novel. kudos to kyoani.
Definately can't wait for it!

Oh and as for the next episode. i love you kyoani. It's skipped so far ahead not even the translated Novel readers have got that far! :D

It'll be total surprised for all Mono-Eigo fans! banzai! :D :D :D

[panzerfan]

This episode is pivotal as it serves as the foundation for everything so far. Do not skip this one even if it is dialogue-heavy. (or wait for the sub, or even goto vol1 ch2-4 of the wiki and give that a read-through). You won't regret it.

[Onizuka-GTO]

goto vol1 ch2-4 of the wiki.

no. not that wiki.

The baka-tsuki novel translation project. (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi)
read chapter 2-4, volume 01.

:D

[melange]

Yuki explanation FTW! Suitably other-worldly and confusing :D I am now officially glad I followed the novel and thus was able to identify more words than without. My Japanese listening comprehension isn't built for the speed and lingo-laden explanation.
Though I was half expecting a brilliant flash of light across the globe floating in the background when the "explosion" was mentioned. :heh:
Going back to what some people mentioned about fitting the 'style' of animation to the 3 explanations, Mikuru's explanation on the other hand with its fade-ins and fade-outs of dialogue, resulting in a skipping over/jumping through different points of her "the nature of time" explanation, seems suitably time-travel-ish to me.

[DannyCat]

Was I the only one listening to Itsuki's exposition and thinking Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer?

[Onizuka-GTO]

Was I the only one listening to Itsuki's exposition and thinking Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer?

only if you understood what he was yabbering about. :D

[Shirobane]

I usually watch episodes of Haruhi once over zoning out the dialog to appreciate the little things KyoAni puts into the show. Luckily this time, the staggering amount of dialog proved easy to ignore the first time through :p

Anyone else notice Yuki staring in interest at Kyon and Mikuru playing othello? For any other studio, a small detail like that would have probably been overlooked. I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I watched Yuki turn her blurred head towards the two until she finally appeared right beside Kyon.

Ah and it's the first time I've had a moment of wavering stance for Haruhi. Mindyou Mikuru completely cheated with her hairstyle (my secret weakness...damn) otherwise I would've been :love: for Haruhi's epic genki-ness

[Pakxenon]

Three intense dialogues. It got a little boring, so that's a nick off. Otherwise, I'm all hyped up for the next episode!

[PhantomX]

They just decided to get all the revelations out of the way at once ... I guess it's the most efficient, but it'll probably make this one of the more "boring" episodes of the series if you're not into hefty talking

[Shirobane]

They just decided to get all the revelations out of the way at once ... I guess it's the most efficient, but it'll probably make this one of the more "boring" episodes of the series if you're not into hefty talking
That could be the reason why they threw in another episode mixup for next time, just to balance the "boring"

Then again, a nice action scene could also remedy the "boring" parts of the previous episode. Regardless, the massive walls of dialogue (sometimes even literally) were, as mentioned before, needed to set the stage for the remaining episodes.

[PhantomX]

I think they're saving the action scene ... and making us who know what's coming up pull out our hair in anticipation XD

[Onizuka-GTO]

right. dammit.

Episode 06. I need it. :upset:

[Pakxenon]

I just browsed the wiki. People changed the next episode title from "Solitary island syndrome (first part)" to "Lone Island Syndrome (First Part)" (me) to "Desert Island Syndrome (Part I). WHICH IS IT?????????????

Damn... they're holding out the next scene!!!! (remember ep4's Yuki's flashback.... ;P).

[Onizuka-GTO]

I just browsed the wiki. People changed the next episode title from "Solitary island syndrome (first part)" to "Lone Island Syndrome (First Part)" (me) to "Desert Island Syndrome (Part I). WHICH IS IT?????????????

Damn... they're holding out the next scene!!!! (remember ep4's Yuki's flashback.... ;P).


I dunno. :D

I don't care about the Haruhi wiki anymore. bad ego-centric users keep changing it, they revert anything they don't like. Its kinda unfriendly over there at the moment,
All so serious and no fun at all. very un-haruhi
:rolleyes:
But the novel version states it as:

Lone Island Syndrome

I think this is the right one, but then im bias. :D

[melange]

I just browsed the wiki. People changed the next episode title from "Solitary island syndrome (first part)" to "Lone Island Syndrome (First Part)" (me) to "Desert Island Syndrome (Part I). WHICH IS IT?????????????

Damn... they're holding out the next scene!!!! (remember ep4's Yuki's flashback.... ;P).
Its all just different ways of interpreting the kanji for the next episode :heh:

[Sushi-Y]

Lone Island Syndrome

I think this is the right one, but then im bias. :D
There is no "right one". 孤島症候群 can be translated as any of those above. I'd personally translate it as "Lone Island Syndrome" myself, which is why you see me use it all the time, but it could be deserted island or solitary island as well. Same for words like 閉鎖空間, there's probably a dozen ways to translate that, I personally call it "Lockdown Dimension", but by no means does that mean it's the "right one".

[Decagon]

Does Itsuki's (evilish) smile get brought up a lot? They seem to put quite a bit of emphasis on it for his first appearance.

[DannyCat]

Does Itsuki's (evilish) smile get brought up a lot? They seem to put quite a bit of emphasis on it for his first appearance.
It goes along with the closed-eyes thing. I think he's Xellos.

[Onizuka-GTO]

There is no "right one". 孤島症候群 can be translated as any of those above. I'd personally translate it as "Lone Island Syndrome" myself, which is why you see me use it all the time, but it could be deserted island or solitary island as well. Same for words like 閉鎖空間, there's probably a dozen ways to translate that, I personally call it "Lockdown Dimension", but by no means does that mean it's the "right one".

Quoted for truth.

But that's why i said i was bias :D

[panzerfan]

Yea, it can be Con Clave Dimentio , barricaded/isolated/restricted/enclosed dimension...

[melange]

Darn... why didn't any of us notice it? Matthew's Anime Blog (http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2006/05/02/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_5_3.php) just pointed out that Super Director Haruhi's jealousy this ep has implications on the ending credits, where "Kyon - Sugita Tomokazu" and "Suzumiya Haruhi - Hirano Aya" are placed separately on their own away from the other SOS-dan members and in LARGE FONTS. :heh:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/yuchengk/bscap20060430-81-thumb.jpg

[eVaX]

Kyon is one lucky bastard to have a girl that can suck drinks that hard be jealous of the girls around him.

...Yeah I have a dirty mind.

[techiet]

Darn... why didn't any of us notice it? Matthew's Anime Blog (http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2006/05/02/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_5_3.php) just pointed out that Super Director Haruhi's jealousy this ep has implications on the ending credits, where "Kyon - Sugita Tomokazu" and "Suzumiya Haruhi - Hirano Aya" are placed separately on their own away from the other SOS-dan members and in LARGE FONTS. :heh:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/yuchengk/bscap20060430-81-thumb.jpg

Wow, I did not notice that :heh: Haruhi has more control over the show than I thought!

[Akuma-sama]

Sure she does, I mean... anything she wishes becomes reality, right? :heh:

[panzerfan]

We seriously need to append all this information somewhere.

[PhantomX]

In the earlier episodes are the names right next to each other? o___O

[Julius Firefocht]

Subs by A.F.K just came out! Go go go!

[mp3chan]

Yay! a.f.k released this.

[Matt Soulblade]

Really? Dlling...

[derekjai]

downloadin in progress!!! can't wait!

[PhantomX]

It seems to never go fast enough :heh:

[CrowKenobi]

I'm also d-loading now! (ATM Peers=1973, seeds=615) :D

[Seras]

dang, im only connected to 25 seeds and 104 peers. how do you get so much?

[CrowKenobi]

dang, im only connected to 25 seeds and 104 peers. how do you get so much?
Clean living, friend, clean living. :heh:

But, really, I only listed the total peers and seeds I can see. The real ATM is:

Peers= 40 out of 1973; seeds= 29 out of 615.

:D

edit: Oh, I forgot to add this: HELP SPREAD HARUHI-ISM: SEED AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! Thank you.

[Runningkid]

er... mine is 39 peers (2145 max) and 4 seed (22 possible) but i m not getting over 10kbs and yet i m uploading at 20 :(

[Onizuka-GTO]

mines 66 peers (2370) and 6 seeds (854) getting 54kbs & ul @ 12kbs

So slow

only just started, got another 93% to go... :(

Edit: got 12 seeds @ 150kb/s. yay. 20mins until finish! :D

[Alu]

Just wait a few hours.., eventualy the number of seeders will go up to balance the leechers..
That is..., if you can hold your will to wait.. :p

[dkellis]

Pretty good episode. It set out to explain just what Haruhi and the rest of the SOS-dan are, and it did just that, easily and without fuss.

It's not earth-shattering, being mostly a dialogue episode, but it's a well-done dialogue episode.

I wonder if Kyon just happens to be in the right place at the right time (whether Haruhi-orchestrated or not), or if he has a trustworthy face or something.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Finished! dammn fast! woohoo!

*watching now*

:D

[Runningkid]

omg!! mines still going at 5kbs and ul@ 20 omg!! wots happening!!?!?

[Onizuka-GTO]

lol. your ul is too fast?

Unless your got frigging large bandwidth, i think 20 is too much.

I got a 4mb, and i cap mine max ul at 12, and thats betwee a network of 3 pcs.

:p

This has alot of info, if you haven't read the novel, you wil lfind this even more interesting in my opinion.

foe me it was nice that once again, kyoani stick faithfully to the book.

:D

[melange]

In the earlier episodes are the names right next to each other? o___OYep. I checked.. in the earlier episodes the 5 SOS-dan names are listed together (on the same 'page') in normal sized fonts and in this one Kyon and Haruhi are in LARGE FONTS and separated from the rest (Kyon/Haruhi on one 'page', the other three on the second 'page') :D

[Runningkid]

sigh ... i have a 1mb line. still downlaoding... 15% .... i m gonna die waiting!

[Alu]

sigh ... i have a 1mb line. still downlaoding... 15% .... i m gonna die waiting!

Well.., you perish for a noble cause anyway.. :p

[ZeusIrae]

I watched,that was..............something:twitch:
I am still trying to recover.


To be quick,Haruihi is a mistery but kyon is even more mysterious as you will realize and the hum........ESP....(yes you read correctly,gasp!)confirm it.

Let's make a pause...........................ah yes be prepared for a special experience at the beginning you will need to read the sub,listen and read the screen at the same time.We,poor humans,really are limited creatures.


What else,well everything,


I already knew the horrible truth but being told a second time was a big shock.

[Decel]

Finally, the long awaited episode that makes you go "Ahhhhhhhh.... I get it". Felt like cleaning your glasses out after they've been covered in mud.

After seeing this ep, I actually like the way they presented the softball episode first. The lack of babysitting of the viewer through each step is quite refreshing.

That other cliffhanger is nagging me already :D

Best part of the show imo:
-How old are you?
-Classified information
Gave it a 9.

[PhantomX]

I enjoyed the little MikuruxKyon walking moment ... and the hilarious Yuki run in the library

[Akuma-sama]

It downloaded at 250 k/s at one point (uploaded at 40 to 80, but it was worth it), a new record! To say that nothing concerning Haruhi in any form is normal...
...or maybe I was just leeching away all of YOUR downloads... meh, whatever! :D


On the enjoyment side, I have to say I didn't like this episode as much as the other ones. That being said, I can understand why, and I know explanation 'chapters' are needed in any coherent story. Since the explanations were extremely well handled, I'm giving this episode a 9/10.

As mentionned before, the cinematography of this episode is plain amazing. Not only is the handling very, very good and reminding me of Lain at parts (and I loved Lain), but the symbolism is great as well:
Yuki, an entity serving an alien race made of data, has her explanation interrupted by black flashes of text-written information, most of which Yuki herself doesn't say. Indeed, speech is not the best information-sharing medium for her...
And is it just me, or Yuki talked awfully fast? Rapid-fire technical japanese is mind-boggling...
Mikuru, a girl from the future, explains near a river (flow of time, anyone?), with panning and odd camera angles, but mostly, interrupted flow; at times, her lines overlap, as if time itself wasn't decided for her.
Plus, her final "Classified information" is a polaroid moment.
As for Itsuki, mister "I look normal, but I'm an esper", his explanation happaned in a very normal-looking place... or did it? What kind of school has tables and chairs made of wooden logs like that? I'm not sure about japan, but I know over here, they'd get cheap plastic or metal, if they had tables outside at all.

But what really saved this episode were Kyon's commentaries, yet again. "If someone out there can hear all this and be like, "okay, sure." and believe it all, let me know. We can trade places."
It's quotes like this that make me remember why I believed (and still believe) that Kyon is the best male lead to have ever struck the Anime world...


Definitely a nice episode; the team handling Haruhi just have to keep on working together, or it'll be some kind of crime.

[tritoch]

done downloading.. i did it at 221 kb/s / up at 40 kb/s; 1151 seeding/2652 dling

Seeding it now at: 250 kb/s .... im doing this with my DSL connection. But I do more with the cable connection at my Cousin's.. 400kb/s uploads =)

Yes having a good share ratio really helps with your dl.. mine's around 2.2 =)

--Spoiler Alert--
Good episode. Finally understood everything. Haruhi getting sooooo jealous not having a time out with Kyon, and Kyon talking to mikuru more than Haruhi. Haruhi not in the school outfit is the bomb.. She's hot. And yes.. follow what Haruhi says in the next episode commentary it is the right episode number. =)

[Julius Firefocht]

But what really saved this episode were Kyon's commentaries, yet again. "If someone out there can hear all this and be like, "okay, sure." and believe it all, let me know. We can trade places."
It's quotes like this that make me remember why I believed (and still believe) that Kyon is the best male lead to have ever struck the Anime world...



There is a reason why we call Kyon the Hero of the Common Man. He is a male protagonist that is so normal that he could be a person you would feel comfortable with in real life. Ironically, that is also what makes Kyon stand out in this day and age of overpowered and "perfect" male leads from other anime.

[dkellis]

What kind of school has tables and chairs made of wooden logs like that? I'm not sure about japan, but I know over here, they'd get cheap plastic or metal, if they had tables outside at all.

I'm also not sure about Japan, but I know that such tables/chairs are fairly common in Singapore (if not East Asia in general), and it's definitely not unusual to see such in a school. I've seen several examples myself, at least.

[tritoch]

If Haruhi defined Espers as being from the old magical past, then it makes perfect sense to have that conversation with the wooden chairs and tables.

*cough* FF6 reference *cough*

[ZeusIrae]

A
Mikuru, a girl from the future, explains near a river (flow of time, anyone?), with panning and odd camera angles, but mostly, interrupted flow; at times, her lines overlap, as if time itself wasn't decided for her.
Plus, her final "Classified information" is a polaroid moment.
As for Itsuki, mister "I look normal, but I'm an esper", his explanation happaned in a very normal-looking place... or did it? What kind of school has tables and chairs made of wooden logs like that? I'm not sure about japan, but I know over here, they'd get cheap plastic or metal, if they had tables outside at all.

working together, or it'll be some kind of crime.

Yeah,I think mikuru's special effects not only showed her origin but also explained her conception of time.And I understood absolutely nothing of what she said.The guys in the Ontology of Suzumyia Haruihi thread are going to have fun with this ep.

[mp3chan]

I gave this 10 simply because the cinematography is just too good and the OST fits the character who's explaining. Maybe someone feels this as heavy dialogue episode, but I won't give lower rate because of it. I think the dialogue is really important story development and more importantly a good scientific episode too. Stuffs about quantized space and time theory is described by moe-looking Mikuru-chan by using simple animation frame analogy. Mikuru is genius :D

[Kamui4356]

I gave the episode a 9 overall. However, Yuki's explaination at the beginning gets a 10. :D I give her seiyuu a lot of credit for that scene. If you listen closely, the dialog sounds artifical, as it should given Yuki's origin. That part was done perfectly.

The rest of the episode gets an 8. There were a few small details I would have liked to see that were left out. It's understandable though, as even with Haruhi as super director, KyoAni can only fit so much into 23 minutes, and it's not like they mattered. :heh: There was one bit I was especially looking foward to, but it's possible they'll have it at the begining of the next episode to pickup the main story.:heh:

[tritoch]

watched it again.

Haruhi not pairing with Kyon = Haruhi jealous.

Funniest part of the whole show is having to watch Haruhi's expression of jealousy

[Alu]

Well.. I always like to read most of the spoilers, so naturaly I long knew what was behind the main plot of the series.., all and all, this episode revealed the facts in a 100% water-clear shape.

Basicaly..
Haruhi is considered the cause of the incident 3 years ago, when there was a crack in the space-time continuum that affected all life in the universe, which also gifted selected lifeforms with super natural powers.
Yet.. she does not realise it.

Yuki is in fact a "humanoid interface" like she explained in the previous episode sent by the galaxy-wide group of information synthesis thought-entities to investigate the cause of the "explosion of information" that happened 3 years ago.

Mikuru is part of the future human society and was sent to investigate the cause of the turmoil in the space-time continuum which prevents them from time traveling any further past that point.

Itsuki is an "Esper", a human with super-natural powers that belongs to an organization just refered to as "the organization"; his kind where the lifeforms that where gifted the the super natural powers when the "explosion of information" happened 3 years ago.
He was sent to watch over Haruhi for "the organization" belives that the world started because of her and she is in fact the equivalent to "god".

Kyon is just a regular human that one day engaged a conversation with Haruhi.

On how the explinations where layed out..
I honestly found quite amazing the way the 2nd part of Yuki's conversation went like.., she was talking so fast I had to pause the 2nd time to view all the explination in detail and the letters in the background.

It was wonderfully orchestrated though, it realy gived us an in-sight of how probably Kyon was faced with all of that.., or in other words.. "surreal" would be best applied here.

Poor Kyon, it happened so fast with so much info I don't blame him if he didn't grab most of what Yuki said :p

As for Mikuru's, the use of the stream to contribute to the explination of the time flow was also very well done; as someone posted before : the interrupted flow at times was the key as when her lines overlap.
Like she said in the end, altough she is there, she is just another caracter in the cenary, sort of speak.

I found Itsuki's rather fast though.., and it kind of just came out of nowhere..
Leads me to belive that he was already aware of the true role's that Yuki and Mikuru truly had.

Something he said about it not beeing coincidence that everyone from that certain group had gathered here at that time leaves me to belive that out of all the 3, he is the one with the more information regarding the aspects of the situation.

Thus this brings us too...
Kyon.. an absolutly (now confirmed) 100% NORMAL human beeing.. who is indeed, now currently more of a mistery then Haruhi.

From the moment where the "trigger effect" was made in episode 1, Kyon's role in the story passed into a complealtly diferent level of existence.., for we still do not know why Haruhi (who never payed attention to any ordinary humans) since then had such a huge interest in Kyon.

We do see in fact that she clearly shows some desire of affection by part of him.., for sure during the straw thing she clearly was hopeing she ended up with him, altough she did not wish for it - so the decisions came out random and she was very upset; specialy when she saw that he and Mikuru where starting to share some affection.

This might lead us into a compleat twist in the story to come.., as I am sure from what I saw in the last episode (the baseball one) where Mikuru says to Kyon for not to care for her as much, otherwhise it make my Suzumiya-san.... and "that" will happen again.

Anyway.., certain thing for now.., Kyon is indeed the true mistery here.


For the next episode as mencioned previously, we jump forward again to nº9.., I can't wait to see what happens :)

Ah, I forgot to mencione, I gaved it a 9 overall. Great episode :)

[Adigard]

He is a male protagonist that is so normal that he could be a person you would feel comfortable with in real life. Ironically, that is also what makes Kyon stand out in this day and age of overpowered and "perfect" male leads from other anime.

Overpowered and perfect male leads? Most male anime leads these days seem to be bumbling, marginalized idiots. T_T

Kyon's a wonderful breath of fresh air because he's a great everyman... who even asks the right questions. You really can relate to him. And that really ties the show together.

I want to watch the episode at home before I really vote/post about it. But on my initial viewing the show is really positive. They did a nice job by inserting that baseball episode between this episode and the previous episode. It picked up seemlessly from the prior cliffhanger, but the viewer was able to deal with a "wall o' text" type episode without getting buried. A lot of the visual/audio tricks they used during each characters explanations worked really nicely as well. Doubly so in reflecting Kyon's reactions.

//EDIT: I also appreciated how everyone presented Haruhi in a totally different light. Each organization obviously has a slightly different view of Haruhi. I think it'd be a real mistake to assume each person's view of Haruhi overlaps... or even fits together nicely. There seem to be enough slight nuances and differences of opinion between the three "groups" that point out their differing viewpoints.

[Xellos-_^]

SOmone probably already speculate this.


I beleived Kyon is NOT a normal human being but is infact the anti-Haruhi. For everything there is a opposite and I beleived what Kyon to Haruhi is what matter is to Anti-matter.

[Alu]

SOmone probably already speculate this.


I beleived Kyon is NOT a normal human being but is infact the anti-Haruhi. For everything there is a opposite and I beleived what Kyon to Haruhi is what matter is to Anti-matter.

hmmm.. so how can you explain the fact that Haruhi has feelings for Kyon as she has for no one else..
Can it be a case of oposites atracting?
I honestly don't think so..., currently while speculating over Kyon I have a feeling that our minds will make up more then the actualy story is about :thinker:

[celcius]

You remember Haruhi's introduction? She definitely mentioned four things: aliens, time travelers, other worldly beings, ESP. Although aliens and other worldy beings are similar; I just got to thinking that the SOS団 has Haruhi and 4 members, and she mentioned 4 beings in her introduction.

Winners for this episode goes to seeing Haruhi pissed and Yuki at the library. ^^
Also loved the three explanations, although I liked the Yuki's the most. Everything went by so fast, and then Kyon immediate reaction was ... When I saw Kyon react, I appreciated him more.

[Wandering_Youth]

Interesting.


Haruhi = GOD
Yuki = Alien
Mikuru = Time Traveler
Itsuki = Esper (Psychic? )
Kyon = Plain human

What a unique cast of characters isn't it? :eyespin:

I like Yuki and Itsuki's explainations better because I actually understood what they were saying although I had to pause like mad on Yuki's to read it all. I had no freaking idea what Mikuru's was talking about. The but I got the main idea, which was that people from the future can no longer travel to the past because of Haruhi.

Those faces of jealousy that Haruhi made were pricesless. :)

And let's not forget, more Mikuru molestation!

[Matt Soulblade]

I have to give it a 10. The ep was so @_@ at the end you just cant help saying WTF??????!!!?!?1111
BTW, im starting to seriously doubt the fact of Kyon being just a normal human.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

My favourite moment in episode 5 has to be when Kyon asked Haruhi if she had ever heard the story on "The Blue Bird of Happiness".:D

For those not familiar with the tale, it's about some children who went on a magical journey to obtain the blue bird. They traveled to numerous dimensions, and faced many perils, but each time they failed.

Eventually, they went home in defeat. But then realised that their own pet bird, living in its cage in their room, was the blue bird they were looking for.

[Kamui4356]

You remember Haruhi's introduction? She definitely mentioned four things: aliens, time travelers, other worldly beings, ESP. Although aliens and other worldy beings are similar; I just got to thinking that the SOS団 has Haruhi and 4 members, and she mentioned 4 beings in her introduction.
Don't give Haruhi any ideas, or kyon will wake up one day to find his house converted into some interdimensional command center with his parents telling him it's time to carry out their mission to conquer this world.:heh:

Anyway, my theory about kyon is that he is more or less a normal human, but was the first person Haruhi thought might understand her. So while he doesn't have any powers himself, he can influence Haruhi somewhat and stop her from doing anything too extreme. This would seem to fit with everyone calling him the key. Of course, if Haruhi ever decides kyon should have some kind of power, be from another dimension, or something, he will. Though I doubt it'll happen...

[Flo]

I find it hard to digest, too much talking too little funnies
for Yuki vs Ryouko in this episode. Disappointed. =(

[Onizuka-GTO]

I find it hard to digest, too much talking too little funnies
for Yuki vs Ryouko in this episode. Disappointed. =(


That's because your too "normal" :D

[CrowKenobi]

This would seem to fit with everyone calling him the key.
So, that would make him the keymaster, right? :cool:

[celcius]

For those not familiar with the tale, it's about some children who went on a magical journey to obtain the blue bird. They traveled to numerous dimensions, and faced many perils, but each time they failed.

Eventually, they went home in defeat. But then realised that their own pet bird, living in its cage in their room, was the blue bird they were looking for.
Thanks for the explanation Vallen Valiant Chaos. I was about to ask about / google that, and forgot about it. How fitting.
Anyway, my theory about kyon is that he is more or less a normal human, but was the first person Haruhi thought might understand her.Maybe, to some extent. I find Kyon usually lost in whatever Haruhi does / wants to do. On a side note, he DID find himself going back to the clubroom in ep2 even if he didn't really want to. There must be some sort of connection or pull between him and Haruhi.

[Cheese Ninja]

This anime seems like a light-hearted version of Lathe of Heaven. The whole world responding to one person's will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lathe_of_Heaven

Voted a 9 again, just because I can't allow myself to give a 10. This episode had some really neat cinematography, as was noted earlier by others.

I wonder if Yuki and Mikuru ever consider their existences as related to Haruhi in the manner that Koizumi describes. They don't seem to, I suppose they might find it overwhelming if they did.

[Crimen Scythe]

overall...i give it a 10...simply because i felt this ep had good char development and it was entertaining to watch...^^

[Radiosity]

You remember Haruhi's introduction? She definitely mentioned four things: aliens, time travelers, other worldly beings, ESP. Although aliens and other worldy beings are similar; I just got to thinking that the SOS団 has Haruhi and 4 members, and she mentioned 4 beings in her introduction.

Evidently I remember it better than you, as the four she mentions are Aliens, Time Travelers, Sliders amd Espers. A Slider would be someone who can dimension jump.

[Cal-Reflector]

Frankly I'm not too concerned about the grand-plot behind the whole story: that is, the time-space-ET-super-natural facet of the show. The episode does help enlighten that matter a bit however and make it more relevant to the viewers' interests, which from the beginning lay elsewhere, as I don't think this show was sold to be a mind-bending SciFi flick, but rather still, in its essence, a high school romantic comedy.


Call me a beast, but I've only now begun to feel real sympathy for Mikuru and some semblance of resentment towards Haruhi for her molestation. Yes I know... if I were a real nice guy, I'd have been indignant in the as early as the second episode, but I am only man and the moe made me weak...

Anyhow, all I wanted to say was that it finally hit me, "Wow, I guess Mikuru really doesn't enjoy being fondled like that!"

Let's see what else... as the four previous episodes were awfully confusing, I enjoyed this episode for the logic and explanation it gives; it makes the show make sense, a little, and that was a tremendous relief on this confused viewer's hurting brain. Mikuru is cute as always (that's her purpose in the show, as stated by Haruhi herself), Yuki's development is coming still, and Kyon deals admirably with the earth-shattering revelations he's given.

Haruhi is jealous,
Haruhi is absent,
bad things will happen.
*chuckle*

[Onizuka-GTO]

as I don't think this show was sold to be a mind-bending SciFi flick, but rather still, in its essence, a high school romantic comedy.

hohohoho...

Ignorance is bliss.... :D

[Kaoru Chujo]

Evidently I remember it better than you, as the four she mentions are Aliens, Time Travelers, Sliders amd Espers. A Slider would be someone who can dimension jump. As celcius puts in his/her sig, the Japanese was 異世界人 isekaijin "person from another world." "Slider" was just one translation. "World" could be universe, timeline, dimension, etc.

[rooboy]

I beleived Kyon is NOT a normal human being but is infact the anti-Haruhi. For everything there is a opposite and I beleived what Kyon to Haruhi is what matter is to Anti-matter.
That's an interesting idea. I still think Kyon is sort of like Haruhi's oracle. Haruhi needs Kyon (a "normal") to truly interact with the rest of the world. Note that before she met Kyon she was just sitting at her desk every day. It's not until she meets Kyon that things start happening. Kyon is sort of like her inspiration to go out and try to find the things she wants rather than waiting for them to come to her. Note that this makes him, essentially, the most dangerous character on the show.
as I don't think this show was sold to be a mind-bending SciFi flick, but rather still, in its essence, a high school romantic comedy.I think you might actually have this backwards. If you do, I hope you're not too disappointed.

[Streetor]

It's confusing. If everything Haruhi desires is granted then...

Why didn't she get to be paired up with Kyon and why was she so angry at the matchstick for not picking the same one as Kyon?

[Streetor]

Also what was that sound that freaked Kyon out that Haruhi made during the preview?

[Onizuka-GTO]

I think subconciously she does not like the fact that Kyon is paired with the other girls. She doesn't really want Kyon to be paired with her all the time, or perhaps she doesn't care how the lot is drawn, thus it doesn't happen. I bet she doesn't even realise why she's angry at the Kyon pairings, and just thinks its natural, and put it down that she thinks they won't do their best to look properly, and just mess around. Which they do.

:D

[rooboy]

I think the distinction is intended to be there. Whether it's because of something special about Kyon (doubtful, but possible) or whether it's because Haruhi herself doesn't really want it (also doubtful) or whether it's because Haruhi doesn't put enough emotion into the "wish" to make it happen (my guess) or some other reason.

[Alu]

It's confusing. If everything Haruhi desires is granted then...

Why didn't she get to be paired up with Kyon and why was she so angry at the matchstick for not picking the same one as Kyon?

As I previosly wrotte :
(quoting myself)
" .., for sure during the straw thing she clearly was hopeing she ended up with him, altough she did not wish for it - so the decisions came out random and she was very upset; "

You see.., her not beeing aware that herself has the power to change reality means that she not all the time "desires" for things to happen in a determined way (her dertermined way), and since we are talking about Haruhi here.., its pretty clear she usualy puts her instints first and analyses later...; if she analyses at all sort of speak..

What I mean is.., take the SOS-dan for an example.., her first reaction was to create a club, it wouldn't matter what type of club would it be, or its name, or its activities; as she said herself, that will come later. The first thing to do is create it.
So I am realy leaning to the fact that she in this case was simply hopeing and not wishing that she and Kyon would team up.

Much unlike the Baseball episode where she clearly wished that Kyon would be the "clean-up" in the draw.., in which he eventualy was.

All of this is speculation though...

[ordnance11]

"Escape from School"?...dang talk about gratuitus advertising!:heh:

[PastPrime]

I find Kyon usually lost in whatever Haruhi does / wants to do. On a side note, he DID find himself going back to the clubroom in ep2 even if he didn't really want to. There must be some sort of connection or pull between him and Haruhi.
He has evidently been tied to Haruhi's will since before he knew her since everyone, including his little sister, started calling him Kyon three years ago. That means that he was part of the original event.

[Nvis]

This episode still didn't explain what Itsuki was talking about in episode 4 when Kyon and Haruhi were in the 'other world', and neither does the preview for episode 6. So WHEN did episode 4 occur in the storyline?

[Kurz]

Ah... I think I know how...
I remember in the intro with him speaking he recalls being an Supernatural finatic.
Though he moved on, and Haruhi didnt for some reason.

There must've been a connection between the two at that time. They must've both hanged out together looking for mysteries, when they moved apart she continued with this obsession while he gave it up. Poor Haruhi...

Just a guess

[Clarste]

This episode still didn't explain what Itsuki was talking about in episode 4 when Kyon and Haruhi were in the 'other world', and neither does the preview for episode 6. So WHEN did episode 4 occur in the storyline?

The next episode previews clearly define the chronological order. (Pay attention to what Haruhi says)

Episode Number - Chronological Number:

1 - N/A
2 - 1
3 - 2
4 - 7
5 - 3
6 - 9

So, theoretically, there are three episodes between the end of this episode (5) and the beginning of 4. The next episode will take place after 4, leaving space for another episode in between.

[Kuro]

So... I don't get this. Is Suzumiya omnipotent or something?

Btw, this anime is easily one of the best released this year (The other being the latter half of Rozen Maiden Traumend).

[molitar]

Just loved this episode! And now I bet Kyon feels like an object of interest.. Everyone says she chose him and he is wondering why???

I loved how when Yuki told him he was totally being nice but secretly saying I didn't think she was a crazy girl..

Than out of the blue again a second shock Mikuru than tells him it all begin exactly 3 years ago plus a day! Now two different ones saying the exact same day one claiming to be an alien and another a human from the future. He is now starting to believe it's just too much to be coincidence..

Than to finish off his suspicion he approaches Koizumi and has his final suspicion practically laid to rest. But why him? Now he's a bit curious why him a normal human when all the rest are not?

I believe the reason he shows up even tho he doesn't want to is because of the others he's the only one that can seem to control her to any degree. If he wasn't around Mikuru would of already probably have suffered complete and total humility at her hands publically.

The dialogue in this episode was very very well done and explained to him and us what is going on. But now he's got another worry how will it end? The stress on him that he is affecting events by affecting Haruhi has to be quite worrisome indeed.

[Clarste]

So... I don't get this. Is Suzumiya omnipotent or something?

The answer shown in the anime so far is this: No one knows. She is, however, the center of some very strange stuff, leading to various entities deciding to keep tabs on her.

Come to think of it, did Koizumi have a good reason to suspect her? The others said they observed her being the center of a data explosion and a timequake, respectively, but Koizumi didn't mention anything like that. I guess he figured that it was a given that Suzumiya was special when Kyon came and talked to him...

[celcius]

He has evidently been tied to Haruhi's will since before he knew her since everyone, including his little sister, started calling him Kyon three years ago. That means that he was part of the original event.
Thanks for pointing that out. I totally missed that. So Haruhi 'chose' Kyon, without even knowing who Kyon is? Three years ago, Kyon and Haruhi haven't even met right? I guess it'll all be answered in due time.

[ECFNW]

Everything missing previously explained in this episode. Brilliant.

[Sorrow-K]

On the topic of cinematography, all I can do is echo what other people have said, and say that it's brilliant! It's absolutely phenomenal and done with so much flair. Add KyoAn's beautiful animation and this thing is just an absolute pleasure for the eyes.

It's also a pleasure where it counts as well, ie the mind. I can't agree with people who think this episode was too dialogue intensive, since that sort of thing is relevant to my interests, but, IMO, the story is extremely intriguing. Which is bizarre, considering how intensely it parodied its own story in the first episode... almost to the extent of insulting it. How it can make fun of its own story so much, yet still make it so seriously engrossing is arguable the biggest mystery in this anime... because any lesser anime just would not have gotten away with it.

I think it just highlights how brilliant this anime is.

[MihawkXGP]

I gave the episode an 8. Not as funny as the others but it still had the moments which made me laugh. i really feel sorry for Mikuru an dhow Haruhi treats her.
Its was good to finally see an explanation for everything that went on- it makes far more sense now.

[Lost]

Nooooooo~ Asahina-san is not available! :( :( I heard a thousand hearts breaking when she revealed her origin :(

Anyhow, it makes more sense. Wait actually it doesnt. Just watching it unfold was mind-blogging. Cant help feeling sorry for Kyon. He's in the middle of this. Makes me feel much more able to relate to him now.

Hmm. Let me get this straight. The aliens, timetravellers and espers existing FOR Haruhi were created unknowingly BY Haruhi? :uhoh: Haiz. I feel like him:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3535/vlcsnap1550029wv.jpg

And Haruhi's pout was cute :heh: But wonder what happens on the other side of the world when she does that.

[C.A.]

This has got to be the comedy with the deepest plot ever, right now all i want to know is what exactly happened 3 years ago.

So we know that everyone's lives was changed 3 years ago by haruhi.

1. Kyon became kyon.
2. Yuki was created and sent to earth to investigate this sudden burst of data.
3. Mikuru and other time-travellers came to investigate but couldn't advance further beyond 3 years.
4. Isuki's powers awakened suddenly and joined the organisation to investigate on haruhi.

Was haruhi even born 3 years before?

Did she 'slide' into this universe 3 years ago? Perhaps shes a other-worldly being herself.

Haruhi asked kyon whether she had met her before, did she meet him 3 years ago? Could it be this that caused everything to start?

[Trax]

Eventhough Kyon is a regular human being, there's still more to him than meets the eye. For some reason, he's been "chosen" by Haruhi, but lord knows why and for what. She does show some jealousy when she's not paired with him, I was surprised that they weren't at least paired the second time because she obviously wanted to be.

About Haruhi asking if they had met before, good point, I had forgotten about that. Looks like that might be a significant piece of the puzzle. I don't quite understand why the 3 groups (aliens, time travellers, esp-ers) haven't been collaborating yet since they share mutual interests, and they are aware of eachother.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I don't quite understand why the 3 groups (aliens, time travellers, esp-ers) haven't been collaborating yet since they share mutual interests, and they are aware of eachother.
The only thing they have in common, is that they don't want the universe to be destroyed.

Other than that, the three groups are NOT in good terms. Why?

Well, for one thing, the Espers believe the Aliens and Time-travellers are merely artificial constructs of Haruhi, while the aliens certainly don't agree. Yuki's faction has nearly divine-level powers, and doesn't appreciate being labeled as a figment of someone's imagination. The time travellers likewise don't like to be told, or believe, that their very existence is a fabrication...

It's like a Holy Cold-War, of sorts... Their God is in front of them, but they disagree on what they actually see.

If the novel readers want to correct my theory, please do.

[mr.muffin]

Gave this ep a 9, great ep overall.

Three things I really liked about this ep.
The first bit where Yuki revealed her true nature to Kyon was really well done. Somehow reminded me a little of the last few eps of Evangelion... Had to pause a few times to read the background text tho.
Secondly, the part when Mikuru went for a walk with Kyon, accidentally bumped shoulder's with Kyon and when Mikuru didnt' want to reveal her age. Mikuru's just too cute! :D
Lastly, I liked how everything was revealed and now Kyon knows the truth. But now I want to know what happened 3 yrs ago... argh. :heh:

One thing I didn't like was Mikuru getting sexually harrassed again...:( Kudos to Mikuru for putting up with it and doing her job with professionalism.

Was also struck by Itsuki's theory that their world was created by a dreaming Haruhi. Started me thinking... If this theory is true then Haruhi not only created the world but the entire universe 3 years ago, since Yuki's organisation is an intergalactic one. Furthermore, Haruhi would have created future time planes, thus allowing Mikuru to travel back in time by 3 years. But stopping her from going further back in time since nothing existed more than 3 yrs ago.

Also if Haruhi found out about the truth, this theory is indeed the worst case scenario... since she could destroy everything if she wished.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Was also struck by Itsuki's theory that their world was created by a dreaming Haruhi. Started me thinking... If this theory is true then Haruhi not only created the world but the entire universe 3 years ago, since Yuki's organisation is an intergalactic one. Furthermore, Haruhi would have created future time planes, thus allowing Mikuru to travel back in time by 3 years. But stopping her from going further back in time since nothing existed more than 3 yrs ago.

But, ofcourse, neither Yuki's organisation nor Mikuru's organisation consider the Esper's theory as anything but a load of bull.

Afterall, he is only mortal, and can't time-travel. There is no way the other two factions will subscribe to Itsuki's theory, if only out of pride.:p
Yuki's people will consider the Espers as dumb creatures who created this theory with such limited data, while Mikuru's people will consider the theory to be "unscientific".

[mr.muffin]

But, ofcourse, neither Yuki's organisation nor Mikuru's organisation consider the Esper's theory as anything but a load of bull.

Afterall, he is only mortal, and can't time-travel. There is no way the other two factions will subscribe to Itsuki's theory, if only out of pride.:p

Haha yea. But they shouldn't look down on espers. Professor Xavier could show them what real esper powers are like. :D

[panzerfan]

Then again, no one should look down on data-entities :)

Keep in mind that not even the esper themselves think they are above the level of sheer phantasms of Haruhi either so... the other 2 group's literally in the 'same boat' as they are.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Then again, on one should look down on data-entities :)

Keep in mind that not even the esper themselves think they are above the level of sheer phantasms of Haruhi either so... the other 2 group's literally in the 'same boat' as they are.
But that's the problem; Each side does NOT think they are in the same boat as the others. The data entities, for example, won't ever consider themselves in the same league as a bunch of mortal humans. While the Time-Travellers believe they literally know the future, not to mention being scientifically more advanced, and as such will not place the Esper's theory on equal grounds with theirs.

This is how Holy-Wars get started. Each side believe they have the superior opinion of what the truth is, and dismiss the ideas of others as heresy. The fact that they could all be wrong is irrelevant. All that matters is factional pride

[panzerfan]

(It is hard to say whether or noy the time-travellers actually comes out officially with 'this is heresy' as they are tight-lipped about their stance. The integrity of their existence depends on that secrecy)

Data entities might not see eye-to-eye to the espers but the 'esper' factor to them possibly is of negligable impact to the overall scheme of things on their part. Internal dissidents if anything would be an issue with this stagnated but very advanced 'being'. Afterall, their foresignt that comes for their superior intelligence is 'beyond human comprehension'. (Time-travelling is no difficult feat to the data-entities so for them they are only dealing with humans from an alternate plane and it's unknown whether or not if time means anything to the data-entities as human beings are)

The Espers have every reason to distrust the rest of them. I coined the term 'phantasm' since that is the very state of the esper's and everyone else's existence to the perspective of the Espers. If they themselves and the 2 other factions are but figments of Haruhi's reverie, they might as well as to conclude that the worse-case is the same for all parties despite whatever interests besuit them.

I agree though that a detante is in order due to the stakes that are involved, the mutual agreements to the importance of Suzumiya Haruhi, the anomoly that is Kyon, the fact that all of them are now sitting at the same table... having 'fun' with Haruhi as the orchestrator of it all. All sides are aware of each other's capabilities to an extent which leaves Kyon as the only force out in the open to act.

[Onizuka-GTO]

But that's the problem; Each side does NOT think they are in the same boat as the others. The data entities, for example, won't ever consider themselves in the same league as a bunch of mortal humans. While the Time-Travellers believe they literally know the future, not to mention being scientifically more advanced, and as such will not place the Esper's theory on equal grounds with theirs.

This is how Holy-Wars get started. Each side believe they have the superior opinion of what the truth is, and dismiss the ideas of others as heresy. The fact that they could all be wrong is irrelevant. All that matters is factional pride

True true! the onlyreason it hasn't come to violence, id the mere uncertainty of what would happen if Haruhi find out, or is disturbed by there open conflict.

So it's a unspoken truce until more information has been gathered.

Ah, i love Sci-Fi anime drama with comedy elements.

:D

[Freak Of Nature]

My favourite moment in episode 5 has to be when Kyon asked Haruhi if she had ever heard the story on "The Blue Bird of Happiness".:D

For those not familiar with the tale, it's about some children who went on a magical journey to obtain the blue bird. They traveled to numerous dimensions, and faced many perils, but each time they failed.

Eventually, they went home in defeat. But then realised that their own pet bird, living in its cage in their room, was the blue bird they were looking for.
Correctly summarised, but perhaps a little more detail is needed -- for the story has more parallels to Haruhi's situation than that. Allow me to excerpt from the translation notes I wrote for this part:

First published in 1908 as L'Oiseau bleu, this is a children's play by Belgian poet, playwright and Nobel laureate Maurice Polydore-Marie-Bernard Maeterlinck (1862-1949). Like Tanigawa Nagaru, Maeterlinck first studied law, then turned to literature.

The play contains several elements that are congruent with the story of Suzumiya Haruhi and her merry friends. In the play, two children, a boy and a girl, are sent forth by a fairy, to seek the mystical Blue Bird of Happiness. On their journey, they visit numerous locales symbolic of human thought and emotion, including the Land of Memory, the Palace of Night and the Kingdom of the Future (note how these mirror Haruhi's companions). The children's quest is futile, but returning home, they find that the Blue Bird has been in the cage all along. The moral is that happiness can be found at home, and that the journey is as important as the goal.

So Tanigawa-sensei is not only making a facetious link between himself and a Nobel laureate (similar life choices), he is also linking the play's events and its moral to Haruhi's immediate situation -- and he's also tipping his hat to the entire Symbolist movement that Maeterlinck was part of, a literary movement which definitely has left its mark on his writings (and on science fiction in general).

[panzerfan]

http://www.backerstreet.com/japan/aoitori/aoitori.htm

I wonder if this is what Kyon is actually referring to as well...

[totalnet]

My take on the cinematography of this episode is the Kyon's state of mind as each of the three members explain why they are there. Kyon is most confuse when Yuki is explaining, so b/w, fish eye, wide angle, and etc. When Mikiru is explaining, Kyon is only a little bit confuse. Only a few fish eye shots and echo of Mikiru's voice in the beginning. And when Kyon ask Itsuki to explain, so no weird effects only lower and tilted angle shots.

PS, my take on the background music is that the music reflect the personality of the three members.

After watching this episode again, I just add to what I first posted. I agree with what Akuma-sama said about the scences where Yuki, Mikiru, and Itsuki explains themselve. This why I gave this episode a 10. Not only it show the state of mind of Kyon, but who the three members are.

After watching the sub, I just want to add to what I thought of echos in Mikiru's scene. Those are really parallel voice tracks of Mikiru. Of course she is explaining that there are parallel universe. KyoAni really out done themselve in this episode.

[Kaoru Chujo]

...Was also struck by Itsuki's theory that their world was created by a dreaming Haruhi...Also if Haruhi found out about the truth, this theory is indeed the worst case scenario... since she could destroy everything if she wished. The SOS-dan has to do everything it can to prevent Haruhi from waking up!

[C.A.]

yea if it really is a dream, waking up would be the worse thing to happen. entire series of parallel universes would be destroyed.

i think haruhi herself doesnt want to be waken.

[Lost]

Other than that, the three groups are NOT in good terms. Why?

Well, for one thing, the Espers believe the Aliens and Time-travellers are merely artificial constructs of Haruhi, while the aliens certainly don't agree. Yuki's faction has nearly divine-level powers, and doesn't appreciate being labeled as a figment of someone's imagination. The time travellers likewise don't like to be told, or believe, that their very existence is a fabrication...

It's like a Holy Cold-War, of sorts... Their God is in front of them, but they disagree on what they actually see
Thats a very good point.

For now, I'll go with the esper's theory. Actually I have a VARIANT of the espers theory. (but more on that later)

Didn't Yuki come into creation 3 years ago? Sure, she might say that she belongs to this larger Data Integration Thought Entity and insinuates that they are higher orders that have been observing autoevolution of humans, but I think we must view things relative to Haruhi. Being able to dream up a character like Yuki, she must also be capable of providing a "back story"~which is what I think this DITE is. Another creation of Haruhi. On the whole: Yuki + DITE = the "Aliens" that Haruhi wants so much to believe in, so much so that she brings them into existence.

For Timetravellers. I remember a quote that if Timetravel exists, it would always have existed. Yet why can't they travel past that particular threshold (also 3 years ago)?? The only explaination I can think of: they exist relative to Haruhi. Any time from the time she conjured them up, (essentially 3 years ago to infinity)they can travel ~ but.. they cannot go past that threshold 3 years ago because Haruhi's "idea", their (the timetravellers) "world" did not exist. What never existed, they can't possibly travel to. Get my meaning? Again, its all relative to Haruhi.

But problem: If the timetravellers (assumed creation of Haruhi) can't go back into the past, why can the DITE (also assumed creation of Haruhi) have a history into the past? Only explaination - typical of our perception:
#when we think "Timetravellers," we think future; so by extension, she doesnt think of a past world for them.
#On the other hand, "Aliens" = ancient civilisation, older, wiser than humans; so she must think up a past for them.

The espers. They (the agency) were created 3 years ago. Itsuko (srry if I got the name wrong) himself says that he DISCOVERED ESP (btw, what the heck is ESP?) in him 3 years ago. Yet from their theory we get a clue: Rmb, their theory is that the WORLD/UNIVERSE/SYSTEM is a dream that came into existance 3 years ago. This means that by their perspective; their own creation (3 years ago) = creation of the world (also 3 years ago). From this, we can then infer that: they did NOT exist before 3 years ago; why? because to them there wasnt a world before that three years. Hence they are another creation of Haruhi.

So my variant theory: The world, as in, human reality existed as it always had. (i.e history, as WE know it, was correct). But, these groups (TT, Aliens, Espers) and their perspectives/ideas/outlooks/thinking were a CREATION of Haruhi. 3 years ago.

Regarding the Anomaly. Kyon. Haruhi has never met a guy that she really likes (rmb how she dumped all the other guys). Hwever, she finds love for Kyon. Naturally, this Love is confusing. Hence, her dreams - TTs, Aliens, Espers - also find him confusing, as if an intrusion into her thoughts; and by extension their existence (her thoughts = their existence) I think that Kyon forces Haruhi to accept reality. Naturally, reality conflicts with the existance of those 3 groups.

As for how she managed to create them in our reality. Eh. She must be a God. :p

OMG. AND I SAID I WOULDN'T TAKE HARUHI SERIOUSLY.

Also if Haruhi found out about the truth, this theory is indeed the worst case scenario... since she could destroy everything if she wished.
Considering her fickle mindedness and tendency to boredom, she most probably will.

[Kinny Riddle]

It really takes a lot of words just to convey a few minutes of action, I learnt this the hard way when doing the novel translation.

Things are just beginning to get exciting now. Stay tuned for Meitantei Haruhi's (Detective Haruhi) Murder Mystery next week! And no, you're not watching Conan or Detective Academy Q, I can assure you. :D

Koizumi mentions all these Meitanteis as a sort of "Murder Magnets". It is because of their presence that murder mysteries occur, they all have that "psychic" ability, which Haruhi is about to do. Wow, I never knew Conan had such powers, he ought to be locked up in solitary confinement for the good of humanity. :heh:

[mr.muffin]

(btw, what the heck is ESP?)
ESP stands for Extra-Sensory Perception. Examples include telepathy and clairvoyance.

So my variant theory: The world, as in, human reality existed as it always had. (i.e history, as WE know it, was correct). But, these groups (TT, Aliens, Espers) and their perspectives/ideas/outlooks/thinking were a CREATION of Haruhi. 3 years ago.

Interesting theory. Makes me all the more curious as to what happened 3 yrs ago that caused all this to happen.

[Lost]

Interesting theory. Makes me all the more curious as to what happened 3 yrs ago that caused all this to happen.
She read Stephen King :heh:

[ZeusIrae]

But if it's a dream,then nothing should exist outside of Haruhi's area of perception.
Kyon and Itsuki can't have a discussion unless Haruihi see them.It would mean that she's consciously omniscient.She can wish for aliens but she can't unconsciously invent them.They have to exist before her intervention.How could Yuki's boss percieve anything if it didn't exist before Haruihi.That doesn't make sense(is it even supposed to make sense?).
Or I understand the word dream too literally.


PS:this show is a masterpiece.

[Decel]

But if it's a dream,then nothing should exist outside of Haruhi's area of perception.
Kyon and Itsuki can't have a discussion unless Haruihi see them.It would mean that she's consciously omniscient.She can wish for aliens but she can't unconsciously invent them.They have to exist before her intervention.How could Yuki's boss percieve anything if it didn't exist before Haruihi.That doesn't make sense(is it even supposed to make sense?).
Or I understand the word dream too literally.
Nice argument. I think that Haruhi just set the whole "setting" for the dream itself, from the world's history to Mikuru's "future setting". Don't forget that if she's God, she can probably multitask.

I don't recall having -and witnessing- such enthusiasm for a show since the Evangelion craze in the early 90s.

[Lost]

I'm saying that what Yuki's boss perceives is made up or imagined by Haruhi as a Background Story to Yuki's existence. :)

On your first point, that variant theory seems to says that she can bring them into existence. Thats the problem. Ha. Apparently the fact that she can bring them into existence ~ they can interact with the world ~ shows shes a god. Haha. Unless. Kyon is also a figment of her thoughts. Which would then mean, like Decel says, the rest of the world is a figment of her imagination. :uhoh: Possible too, but then why did she take so long to think up Kyon? (Rmb, she was dating before)

Anyhow this is becoming too Matrixy. :heh: (For me, I just can't accept that she dreamed up the entire Universe ~ think of the scope of that ~ My variant tries to reconcile Haruhi to reality; but of course the part that is lacking is how the heck does she give those figments of imagination - yuki, asahina, itsuko-guy - life?) Unless, this is all just a hoax by Haruhi to dupe Kyon :heh: This show needs more watching.

I don't recall having -and witnessing- such enthusiasm for a show since the Evangelion craze in the early 90s.
Aye aye. Its alr become a religion! :heh: (and I'm staying up way pass my bedtime just to debate this :s )

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Just remember...

Even if a theory sound right, and explain every mystery present, it doesn't make the theory any more likely to be true. Truth requires facts. But the theory itself has no evidence to suggest it is true, only that it can be true.

Since Haruhi is technically all-powerful, it is easy to explain EVERY phenomenon in terms of Haruhi's direct actions. The Espers, true to what humanity has done for epochs, does just that. (In many ways, it's similar to the idea that planets and moons move because God pushes them personally with His hands. A concept that was entirely possible belief-wise, until Gravity was discovered.)

Frankly, it's precisely because Itsuki's theory was so simple, that I refuse to accept it. Each of the three factions saw Haruhi in their own way, and there must likely be some grains of truth in each of their prespectives. There is no reason why I should treat Itsuki's theory as superior to the others just because it is fundamentally easier to comprehend.

Can the Espers be right? Sure. But I've seen nothing to prove it yet.

[Lost]

Even if a theory sound right, and explain every mystery present, it doesn't make the theory any more likely to be true. Truth requires facts. But the theory itself has no evidence to suggest it is true, only that it can be true.
Well put, I agree. But to explain myself, let me just bring this forward from my previous post:

(For me, I just can't accept that she dreamed up the entire Universe ~ think of the scope of that ~ My variant tries to reconcile Haruhi to reality; but of course the part that is lacking is how the heck does she give those figments of imagination - yuki, asahina, itsuko-guy - life?) Unless, this is all just a hoax by Haruhi to dupe Kyon
This show needs more watching.

:)

Oh and why I go with the espers is because their's is the easiest to reconcile to reality, or like you say, "it is fundamentally easier to comprehend.." with regard to the real world. I think. (I need reality.)

But yeah. All this is just talk..

[Onizuka-GTO]

*Time Travels to the future*

Cambridge Modern English Dictionary 2009


"Haruhiism

(ha-ru-is-um)

The pseudo Religion was founded three years ago, by the the Deity "Suzumiya Haruhi" who was shown on an abnormal animation series, with an global following of 20%, and is the official religion of cyber-nations such as Animesuki Empire, MegaToyko Republic & the Hokkaido Indepedent Federation.
The religion believes a fictional character has simultaniously willed our existence at the moment of her appearances in modern culture, and that she is the ultimate creator, the solo meaning of life whom we must all serve, lease her angry & bordom will destroy this reality that we have been blessed with.

The religion is split into several sects upon there names came from the Prophets, Yuki, Mikuru, Itsuki branches, each one has a fundamental different interpretation of the nature of the Deities nature and her relationship to our universe. There is a fourth controversal sect, called Kyon, which most believers are considered Radical even heretics, as they consider all the founding principles of Haruhi as "unbelievable" and such that Deity is simply "nuts" and fundamental belief that she can be subdued with conventional human knowledge......


:D :D :D

[Lost]

OMG THERE ARE TIMETRAVELLERS AMONG US!! Hahaha. Very good one, Oni :D

Animesuki Empire? I want I want!!

[Decel]

...Which would then mean, like Decel says, the rest of the world is a figment of her imagination. :uhoh: Possible too, but then why did she take so long to think up Kyon? (Rmb, she was dating before)
But her dream may be just a story in progress. I mean, what's 3 years for Haruhi's lifetime? Barely a prologue.

Having said that, I'm not saying that Itsuki's theory is the right one, but I do -so far- find it slightly more plausible than Yuki's and Mikuru's, in that respective order.

Love, religion, threat to humanity, mascots (PenPen/Kyon's sister) and a character that fits in the category that satisfies what I call the Rei Ayanami Complex. Evangelion had mechas, but Haruhi has the Kyon/Haruhi combo, so I guess it evens out.

What a great show.

[Lost]

But her dream may be just a story in progress. I mean, what's 3 years for Haruhi's lifetime? Barely a prologue.

What a great show.
True. Plus there's what they call Hormones :p I smell the beginnings of a fanboyism :)

(okay goodnight guys. I'm gonna sleep now)

[Clarste]

It's impossible to know whether or not things existed before 3 years ago, because things can be created with memories. The DITE thinks it's existed since the Big Bang, and the universe behaves as if it has, so for all intents and purposes it's existed forever. The fact that it may have been created three years ago doesn't change the fact that it's always existed, if that makes any sense. Similarly, there's no difference between Haruhi creating the entire universe from nothing three years ago, her simply creating the "oddities" (aliens, espers, etc), or, as some have been speculating, creating a separate reality distinct from the "real" world. There's no perceivable difference whatsoever. And, for the same reason, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

They actually bring this up in the novel during Itsuki's explanation."OK, then how can you be sure that all humans, including you, are not born with their original memories? If that's the case, then there's no need to dwell on three years ago. There is no evidence in this world to disprove that the world didn't begin five minutes ago, and that all life began there."For all we know, time began precisely when Asahina was hit in the leg by the ball in episode 4, and everything else is false memory, including all of Haruhi's supposedly godlike acts. Classic high school philosophizing, but it's still true. The only real evidence we have that anything funky is going on (other than the existence of these "oddities" in the first place) is that it's apparently impossible to travel further back in time than three years ago. The obvious explanation is that nothing existed further back than that, but there are inifinite other possible explanations (especially considering that the laws of physics need not apply). Likewise, you can't prove that things exist when Haruhi's not looking at them. Just because they remember doing things doesn't mean they actually did.

Anyway, regarding the lack of distinction between world creation and "oddity" creation, there is some other explanation that does make a difference. What if Haruhi doesn't have godlike powers of altering reality? Yes, I know it's a stretch, but it's entirely possible that she simply attracts aliens, time travelers and espers for various reasons and has no latent power or anything. All these things existed in the first place, they just happened to never show themselves until now for whatever reason. I guess it's also possible that Haruhi can create things, but did a half-assed job and left evidence that they didn't exist beforehand, but that's no fun, and considering what these things are, it'd be pretty hard to tell anyway. Unobservable data life forms? Time travelers who can't go back beyond a certain point? Normal people who woke up with ESP one day? It's impossible to prove that these things didn't exist beforehand... I wonder if that's intentional.

On another note, is anyone else amused by the discongruity between Suzumiya's imagination and what seems to have resulted from it? She's thinking about loli-maids and mysterious tranfer students, while the real things (the backstories, not the personalities of the characters) are significantly less manga influenced. Either she doesn't show what's really on her mind (subconscious?) or she has extremely loose control over it. Regarding Kyon, I'm thinking he'll turn out to be a forgotten childhood friend, considering that Haruhi seems to like manga cliches (Nagato, Asahina, and Itsuki clearly fall into various cliches, at least superficially) and she wondered if she had met him before.

[Pellissier]

This time I gave 8 (which is the lowest vote I assigned 'till now, after 9-10-9-9), but I guess this simply couldn't be helped.

An explanation of what's going on was kind of due. I just find it a bit heavy to bear. Out of about 22 minutes of episode, 8 (more or less) were dedicated to the explanations, it's just the sum of the Yuki scene + Mikuru scene + Itsuki scene. I particularly had hard time in the Yuki scene, since she talked so damn fast that it was difficult to follow how she spelled the word, not to mention the subtitles.
Looks like Kyon had the same hard time, though :heh:

Lovely Mikuru brought some refreshing moments, and some fanservice as well, and that's always welcome from her.

While Haruhi shone less in this episode. Less airtime, less inspiration? By the way, quite attached to Kyon huh? , and her grumpy mode is very good (I'm seeing it raising in new avatars as well :heh: )

And LOL to all the God theory etc.etc. , as I already stated in the spring anime review thread, just a genius could have conceived all of this. :)

And now, ahead with the Umi (sea) episode, which should be double (they said "first part"). I wonder if they will show the second part in the following episode, or if they'll put in the middle "The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV", now that would be quite discouraging :eyespin: :D

8/10

[Kinny Riddle]

And now, ahead with the Umi (sea) episode, which should be double (they said "first part"). I wonder if they will show the second part in the following episode, or if they'll put in the middle "The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV", now that would be quite discouraging :eyespin: :D

8/10

I think Super Director Haruhi would do exactly that just to spite us all (or at least those who've not read the novels). Never underestimate the mood of the omnipotent cutie! :p

[C.A.]

Hmmm because i just found out on another forum the event that happened 3 years ago, thanks to a novel reader. Now i'm thinking of why it created such after effects, aliens, time travellers, espers and all coming together.

Somehow I'm thinking that everyone who already read the novels will find our questions and theories really funny lol.

[Vexx]

episode 5 was ..... bleeping damn farking brilliant. Just... flipping brilliant.
I feel like I've discovered the descendants of Douglas Adams.

Particularly loved the Yuki and Mikuru expositions --- though Itsuki and Kyon got off some brilliant lines in their conversation (shades of an Itsuki and Rin dialog from Shuffle!). Guess I'll have to see if the VA for Itsuki is the same in both.

Seriously spoilerific speculation:

Everyone's job is to keep Haruhi busy but distracted while they observe this "evolutionary lifeform" .... in poor Mikuru's case by whatever means :) Interesting to see that Haruhi wants the straws to pair Kyon and her but is ?unable? to unconsciously force the result.
I guess my favorite metatheory is that each faction's theory is correct - there was a time fracture, it essentially "created" the present universe, and it sealed off the old one as thoroughly as a Big Bang prevents any information prior to T=0 from being available.
The rest of my thoughts fall more in line with bahamut89's post just above so I won't repeat them.

[philip72]

I absolutely loved the face Haruhi made when she saw that Kyon was paired the second time with Yuki.
It was just so extreme, like she was watching someone eat a baby or something.
I don't think I've seen an expression like that on an anime characters face before.

[Onizuka-GTO]

episode 5 was ..... bleeping damn farking brilliant. Just... flipping brilliant.
I feel like I've discovered the descendants of Douglas Adams.

Particularly loved the Yuki and Mikuru expositions --- though Itsuki and Kyon got off some brilliant lines in their conversation (shades of an Itsuki and Rin dialog from Shuffle!). Guess I'll have to see if the VA for Itsuki is the same in both.

Seriously spoilerific speculation:

Everyone's job is to keep Haruhi busy but distracted while they observe this "evolutionary lifeform" .... in poor Mikuru's case by whatever means :) Interesting to see that Haruhi wants the straws to pair Kyon and her but is ?unable? to unconsciously force the result.
I guess my favorite metatheory is that each faction's theory is correct - there was a time fracture, it essentially "created" the present universe, and it sealed off the old one as thoroughly as a Big Bang prevents any information prior to T=0 from being available.
The rest of my thoughts fall more in line with bahamut89's post just above so I won't repeat them.


Vexx the VA for Kyon is the same one from Rin in "shuffle!" :D

[Xellos-_^]

Vexx the VA for Kyon is the same one from Rin in "shuffle!" :D

We got kaede and Rin here. Does anyone with green hair show up later?:heh:

[Zappster]

^ Don't forget Sia's VA does the voice for Kyon's little sister as well

[Freak Of Nature]

Koizumi mentions all these Meitanteis as a sort of "Murder Magnets". It is because of their presence that murder mysteries occur, they all have that "psychic" ability, which Haruhi is about to do. Wow, I never knew Conan had such powers, he ought to be locked up in solitary confinement for the good of humanity. :heh:
But wouldn't that just produced a "locked room mystery"? :heh:

[Vexx]

Vexx the VA for Kyon is the same one from Rin in "shuffle!" :D

yes I know.. thats why I thought it would be a hoot if Itsuki's VA were the same as Itsuki from Shuffle!

[Onizuka-GTO]

yes I know.. thats why I thought it would be a hoot if Itsuki's VA were the same as Itsuki from Shuffle!


...... :uhoh: ....:twitch: ....

:heh:

*points at Vexx*

"Shuffle!" fan?

:p

[Saint Rygar]

Hi guys!
Adding some theories for the mystery of haruhi
I think i have seen this idea somewhere else but it's fun to speculate

Well maybe Kyon actually it's the one with the "God powers", he mentioned at the beginning of the ep 2(1) than he believed in all that stuff and for a time he doesn't want to accept reality and wishing all were true right?
What's if the event of 3 years ago was when he mentioned he already accepted reality but he actually refused to accept it and wished someone like haruhi existed in the world and transfered all his ideas and power to that being to be able to be a "normal human" like the rest (probably unconceiusly that's why when haruhi meet him she felt something familiar about him and that also explain why he's the only one who isn't affected for her wishing (being his creator and the only thing not manipulated by her because she is a part of him

Well that's it and it's just something to think about and that's why i love even more this anime :p
Maybe later i'll post another theories
see you!

[Xellos-_^]

Hi guys!
Adding some theories for the mystery of haruhi
I think i have seen this idea somewhere else but it's fun to speculate

Well maybe Kyon actually it's the one with the "God powers", he mentioned at the beginning of the ep 2(1) than he believed in all that stuff and for a time he doesn't want to accept reality and wishing all were true right?
What's if the event of 3 years ago was when he mentioned he already accepted reality but he actually refused to accept it and wished someone like haruhi existed in the world and transfered all his ideas and power to that being to be able to be a "normal human" like the rest (probably unconceiusly that's why when haruhi meet him she felt something familiar about him and that also explain why he's the only one who isn't affected for her wishing (being his creator and the only thing not manipulated by her because she is a part of him

Well that's it and it's just something to think about and that's why i love even more this anime :p
Maybe later i'll post another theories
see you!

Thats certainly a intresting idea. It would expalin how he manage to catch Mikuru half naked all the time :eyebrow: :heh: :D

[PhantomX]

Thats certainly a intresting idea. It would expalin how he manage to catch Mikuru half naked all the time :eyebrow: :heh: :D

Not everyone would abuse their powers like you Xellos :)

I would once in a while though :P

[melange]

But wouldn't that just produced a "locked room mystery"? :heh:Shhhh.. not so loud! :p

[Psieye]

Woo... the Ontology thread's feeling a bit neglected with all the big posts over here ^^;;

Joking aside, I really like Lost's big post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=549663&postcount=138) a few pages back - really nice wording of a theory that makes clear many of the factors we need to consider (i.e. all 3 factions are seeing/theorising differently, and their confused perception of Kyon). BTW, I keep hearing how Kyon got his nickname '3 years ago' - any confirmation on exactly where that was stated? As in, that his visit to his aunt (who first called him Kyon, which then caught on everywhere) with his sister was 3 years ago?


Yeah though, was great fun watching this Ep in Synch - everyone's reactions at being blasted by the TMI CANNON not once, but thrice (though not as severe by the time Itsuki fired it). Yuki Machine-gun Talking and her 'tip tip dash' in the Library, Mikuru's final "Kinsoku Gikan-desu" and Haruhi's Jealousy/Depression moments were great XD


[23:35:44 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 4
[23:35:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 3
[23:35:47 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 2
[23:35:48 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 1
[23:35:58 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Yuki MACHINE GUN TALKS!!!!
[23:35:59 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: yes, i am alien
[23:36:05 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: and wow, quick talk
[23:36:06 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 3 years old
[23:36:08 GMT+0] Opt512: Bah. I spoiled that much just reading the book. I stopped reading at about the point the OP starts here.
[23:36:11 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Stable
[23:36:17 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: you!
[23:36:20 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: You~
[23:36:33 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: and yeah, it's extremely hard to stop halfway through that conversation ^^;;
[23:36:34 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: I understand
[23:36:37 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: he has unlocked d00m
[23:36:38 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: the KEY
[23:36:39 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Positron!
[23:36:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Benezene!
[23:36:47 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Time of Universe!
[23:36:48 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: lol
[23:36:50 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Wavefunciton!
[23:36:55 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Probability!
[23:37:00 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Yuki OS
[23:37:01 GMT+0] Opt512: KIAI!
[23:37:06 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: KIAI!
[23:37:12 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: KIAI!
[23:37:15 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: KIAI!
[23:37:17 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: end of star Jump -> KIAI
[23:37:35 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: (and I'm already coming into this with high Kiryoku due to pre-conditioning)
[23:37:39 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: hehehe
[23:37:42 GMT+0] Opt512: Dayum, Snow. Save some of that SP for hitting stuff with!
[23:37:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: (read: watche full length OP)
[23:37:47 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: had to build it upo cus i just got out of class...
[23:38:01 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: INFORMATION OVERLOAD!
[23:38:03 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: whoah a lot of stuff
[23:38:15 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Organic ability to process information
[23:38:24 GMT+0] Opt512: I'm gonna hve to watch this part with pause later.
[23:38:29 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: yeah
[23:38:29 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: yeah, for sure
[23:38:36 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: lol, japan
[23:38:38 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: love this background
[23:38:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Shuuchuu~ ON
[23:39:16 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: such as myself?
[23:39:22 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: so not the only one
[23:39:26 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: true
[23:39:28 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: AUTOEvolution?
[23:39:34 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Control DAta in environment as she wishes
[23:39:39 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: HAH!
[23:39:39 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: jpo3fj13jfoi13jroif13j HAHAHAH
[23:39:42 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: no fucking idea!
[23:39:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: CHOSEN
[23:40:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: he is chosen
[23:40:04 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: the key.
[23:40:08 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: All Potential
[23:40:12 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: RYU NO TORQUE!
[23:40:18 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Freakiosh SIPEL
[23:40:19 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: all probabilitys are at their disposal!
[23:40:27 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: rofl. she'll be overjoyedc.
[23:40:29 GMT+0] Opt512: He doesn't believe.
[23:40:41 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: haha, she'd rampage indeed
[23:40:42 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: she can't know about her own powaaa
[23:40:47 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: "omg i can make ANYTHING!"
[23:40:50 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: she wouldn't believe you :p
[23:40:53 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: alkjsrh1
[23:41:06 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: THE KEY!
[23:41:11 GMT+0] Opt512: Hahaha
[23:41:15 GMT+0] Opt512: He's so fucked.
[23:41:17 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Itsuki!
[23:41:19 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: UBER Kiryoku!
[23:41:22 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: That's really really close ^^
[23:41:26 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: SWIRLIES 2
[23:41:27 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: gf3oifj13o3fj
[23:41:40 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: hahahaha
[23:41:42 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hahaha, Kite ne
[23:41:49 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Othello
[23:41:50 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: mikuru returns
[23:42:03 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: TIMETRAVEL
[23:42:06 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Yuki stands!
[23:42:11 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh noes. Yuki :-p
[23:42:15 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Discomfort
[23:42:17 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: HEY~!!
[23:42:21 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: drag drag
[23:42:25 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: SHINE!
[23:42:26 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: itsuki!
[23:42:30 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 1 2 3!
[23:42:33 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 4!
[23:42:34 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 1, 2, 3, 4
[23:42:38 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: "get along"
[23:42:41 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: THE QUEWSTOIN!
[23:42:46 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: THE ANSWER!
[23:42:50 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Big ANSWER!
[23:42:51 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: woijoifj23oijf1oi31jf1oi3jf1 ZOOM
[23:42:58 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: hahah
[23:42:58 GMT+0] Opt512: AHAHAHAHA
[23:43:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: ALL OF THEM ARE HERE!
[23:43:02 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: GRIND TO AHLT ZXD
[23:43:11 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: He just accepts
[23:43:15 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: O_O
[23:43:17 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: he KNOWS!
[23:43:22 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Next day
[23:43:23 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: rolling along!
[23:43:25 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: and ok1hj33lkj5h12lkj34
[23:43:26 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: more rape!
[23:43:27 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Molesting 2!
[23:43:29 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: KYON!
[23:43:32 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Psychic Scream
[23:43:34 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Maid Moe
[23:43:36 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Maid powaaaaa
[23:43:42 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: WTF kind of school story?
[23:43:43 GMT+0] Opt512: Wow. Mikuru looks hot in that.
[23:43:47 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: no crap
[23:43:48 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: PHOTO SHOOT
[23:43:52 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Cameraman
[23:43:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: more sexy
[23:43:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Sexy Boost
[23:43:56 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh noes!
[23:43:58 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: RAMPAGE
[23:44:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Kyon: YESSS!@~!
[23:44:01 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: and he's going ahead
[23:44:06 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh noes!
[23:44:06 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: GLASSES!
[23:44:09 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Megane OIN@!
[23:44:16 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 10823u4192oiu4124
[23:44:22 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: hump hump
[23:44:23 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: fondle fondle
[23:44:30 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: O_OP
[23:44:30 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Fun...
[23:44:31 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 1h35kj2h4l1
[23:44:33 GMT+0] Opt512: Haha.
[23:44:34 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: all have fun?
[23:44:38 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: SCARED XD CONTINUE???
[23:44:43 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: laws!
[23:44:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: LAWZ!!!
[23:44:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: first meeting
[23:45:01 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: the Bunny suit is there still
[23:45:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: bunny girls on the table.
[23:45:02 GMT+0] Opt512: Laws + Haruhi = Lawls.
[23:45:06 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hahaha
[23:45:09 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: ROFL!
[23:45:11 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: scarred
[23:45:20 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: there is nothing to investigate
[23:45:27 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hahaha, indeed
[23:45:34 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: SPEECH STANCE!
[23:45:40 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: searching time
[23:45:47 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Rally, if people were in phase with her
[23:45:50 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Saturday
[23:45:52 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: rofl
[23:45:52 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Shike~!
[23:45:54 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: EXECUTE
[23:45:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: heads will roll.
[23:46:03 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: penalty!!
[23:46:03 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Penalty!
[23:46:09 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: damn, anime's speeding through
[23:46:20 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hahaha, date
[23:46:23 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Jealousy!
[23:46:25 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: OWNED!
[23:46:28 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: foi2q3jfoi13ijifi31ojf13oif
[23:46:30 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: oi3jfo1i3fjo13ifj13oifj1io3fj31oifji31ofj
[23:46:31 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: whoah
[23:46:32 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 1o3ifjofj13ojfo13jfo1jf1of3j1j
[23:46:35 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: True Jealousy
[23:46:48 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Woah woah, 150 Kiryoku Jealousy
[23:46:53 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: interesting though. she could influence teh Batting Order, but not the groups...
[23:46:54 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Sereneity~~~~
[23:47:01 GMT+0] Opt512: Oh, hey. Movie.
[23:47:04 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: and yeah :-p
[23:47:07 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: aye
[23:47:12 GMT+0] Opt512: Suddently for noreason, Romance Comedy.
[23:47:15 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: she can't influence teh timeline
[23:47:24 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Serious FACE!
[23:47:24 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh noes
[23:47:27 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: time to explain!
[23:47:29 GMT+0] Opt512: SPILL!
[23:47:38 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: this epoch!
[23:47:40 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Intro 2
[23:47:41 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: she is a time traveler
[23:47:58 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Woah waoh, speed speed intro
[23:48:07 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: no continuity
[23:48:12 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: you need the novel to fully get this
[23:48:24 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: timequake
[23:48:28 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: basically, Many Worlds version of timetravel
[23:48:37 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Haruhi Created Existance!
[23:48:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 3 years ago again
[23:48:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Time Warp centre
[23:49:06 GMT+0] Opt512: The world really does revolve around her.
[23:49:07 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: so Haruhi Defines Existance
[23:49:24 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: This world came to being after she made it exist
[23:49:24 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Ryu no Torque... except unaware of it.
[23:49:30 GMT+0] Opt512: I wonder... what happened to Haruhi 3 years ago?
[23:49:36 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: THE MELONCHOLY!
[23:49:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: time traveler, esper, alien
[23:49:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Kinsoku!
[23:50:00 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Kinsoku!
[23:50:23 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: i can't wait for sexy adult future mikuru
[23:50:26 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: that's gonna own
[23:50:37 GMT+0] Opt512: Haha.
[23:50:41 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: LOL!
[23:50:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hahaha, he wants Intel and Hitchuu
[23:50:45 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: we all can cus we've seen them in action
[23:50:57 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: o2qi3fjo13fj31oifj13oi HAHAHA
[23:51:00 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: OWNED!
[23:51:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 354j13o45
[23:51:01 GMT+0] Opt512: HAhahaha
[23:51:02 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: aslfjoiqewhfqio3jf31oifjqoifji31f 13 BASHOU!
[23:51:14 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: GUILTY!
[23:51:17 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: OWNED
[23:51:20 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Jealousy~
[23:51:21 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh boy....
[23:51:28 GMT+0] Opt512: He asked a girl her age. Execute spam now.
[23:51:30 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: NOT GOOD
[23:51:30 GMT+0] Opt512: Hahahaha.
[23:51:33 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: HARUHI OWNED!
[23:51:37 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: JEALOUSY SPEEDO
[23:51:38 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: she wants alone tim w/ kyon
[23:51:44 GMT+0] Opt512: Haruhi wills this. She is testing him.
[23:51:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: library
[23:51:55 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: HAhaha, he knows his place
[23:51:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: qfiofj13ofj13of1j3ofj1o31fj
[23:51:58 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: THAT WALK
[23:52:03 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: tip tip tip running
[23:52:05 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: i2qjfoi13jo13jf XD
[23:52:06 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: CELLPHONE!
[23:52:19 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: GET BACK!
[23:52:20 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 30 sec!
[23:52:25 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Gotta borrow book XD
[23:52:27 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: LOL!
[23:52:28 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: ROOT!
[23:52:29 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 1oj5h1lk2j4h1
[23:52:34 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: penalty!
[23:52:46 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: oh noes.
[23:52:50 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: this will cause DOOM!
[23:52:54 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Jealousy 150
[23:52:59 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: the JEALOUSY OF SUZUMIYA HARUHI!
[23:53:10 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Rage!
[23:53:16 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Ye Bike is gone
[23:53:21 GMT+0] Opt512: What the crap?
[23:53:22 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: penalty
[23:53:30 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: HATE!
[23:53:36 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: she's pissed at Kyon
[23:53:40 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: low Kiryoku?
[23:53:45 GMT+0] Opt512: O yeah. She be pissed.
[23:53:47 GMT+0] Opt512: Anaahahahhaha
[23:53:48 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Aura of Melancholy
[23:53:53 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: LOL!
[23:53:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: SMILE!
[23:53:57 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: preemptive strike
[23:54:01 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Yeah
[23:54:04 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Kyon is the KEY!
[23:54:18 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: esper
[23:54:35 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: haha, details later
[23:54:38 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Seeing Believeing!
[23:54:45 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: "Agency"
[23:54:45 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: heh
[23:54:48 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: so he's a bunch of espers
[23:54:52 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: many agents
[23:54:53 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: 3 years ago
[23:54:54 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: 3 years...
[23:54:56 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: All hvae been observing
[23:55:07 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Haruhi CREATED ESP
[23:55:19 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Dream World~?
[23:55:22 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Haruhi created EVERYTHING
[23:55:23 GMT+0] Opt512: Haruhi is a goddess.
[23:55:28 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: all the travellers, everything
[23:55:41 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: "You're a God now. Oh My God"
[23:55:47 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: (from our translation)
[23:55:49 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: create existance
[23:56:03 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Theeory
[23:56:07 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: The world began 3 years ago
[23:56:11 GMT+0] Opt512: The whole past is an illusion.
[23:56:17 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: All your memories are an illusion
[23:56:21 GMT+0] Opt512: Nice.
[23:56:21 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: hence the time block at 3 yr
[23:56:27 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Kyon is the key though....
[23:56:31 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: yeah
[23:56:45 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: HAH!
[23:56:50 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Let sleeping gods lie
[23:56:58 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: worst case ftw
[23:56:59 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: PRecaution
[23:57:05 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Haha, he wants proof
[23:57:30 GMT+0] Opt512: holy crap. eyes.
[23:57:33 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: yea
[23:57:37 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: he's normally all squinteyed
[23:57:41 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: yeah
[23:57:44 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: and yeah... Kyon is truely Different
[23:57:47 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Haha, you're normal
[23:57:48 GMT+0] Opt512: Haha
[23:57:51 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Preemptive DODGE!
[23:57:51 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: potentially another "god"?
[23:58:00 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: "Ehehehe"
[23:58:01 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Glasses
[23:58:03 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: heh
[23:58:09 GMT+0] Opt512: She's so cute.
[23:58:18 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: so, information overload
[23:58:22 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Yeah...
[23:58:23 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: but well... the main thing:
[23:58:27 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Haruhi is Ryu no Torque mkII
[23:58:32 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: create reality as you see fit.
[23:58:39 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Indeed
[23:58:40 GMT+0] Opt512: Getting all the information out there at the start.
[23:58:47 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: everyone else is under her influence it looks like
[23:58:49 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: except maybe Kyon
[23:59:01 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: afterall, 3 years ago Itsuki became an esper
[23:59:08 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Mikuru can't travel any farthur back
[23:59:09 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Hmm... no guarantee of that - first time I've heard that theory but I gotta it's plausible
[23:59:34 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Ep 9 now eh?
[23:59:39 GMT+0] Opt512: BEACH EPISODE!
[23:59:43 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: Mmm, this throws off my predictions a bit
[23:59:46 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: but still makes sens
[23:59:50 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: heh.
[23:59:53 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: they're jumpin around
[00:00:04 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: assuming they're aiming for Melancholy VI to be done on Ep 9
[00:00:16 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: basically tho... the way i see it... yuki *might* be out of Haruhi's power
[00:00:18 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: but that's highly doubtful
[00:00:19 GMT+0] PsieyeMT001: leaving 3~4 eps for whatever Vol 4 is
[00:00:38 GMT+0] Opt512: Nah. I don't think any of them are out of Haruhi's reach.
[00:00:45 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: Haruhi, as Yuki so well discribed it, is the Center
[00:00:49 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: of Something
[00:00:59 GMT+0] SNOW Bored Pete: i dunno - Kyon has the potential to be outside her influence

(Do tell me if you'd rather I didn't post these long Logs)

[C.A.]

Well actually i also only heard that kyon got such a name from 3 years in this thread, we need confirmations. but...

One thing I know for sure, Kyon has alot to do with what happened 3 years ago.:D

[Mandrake]

maybe Kyon did meet Haruhi long ago, when she asked him about it.

I'm curious, the novels had the moment of Kyon saving the world by doing something to haruhi (though I don't know what it is). Is there going to be an episode regarding that instant?

[Lost]

The fact that it may have been created three years ago doesn't change the fact that it's always existed, if that makes any sense.
You mean by its perception; it has always existed? Due to memories huh..

Interesting to see that Haruhi wants the straws to pair Kyon and her but is ?unable? to unconsciously force the result.
Thats true... unable?, or subconsiously unwilling to? Love..

[Wandering_Youth]

After reading these theories you guys have about Haruhi my head is getting deeply lost in thought. :eyespin:

Well, here's my theory but I'm probably just bsing all this so yea...


I'm starting to think about the movie "Bruce Almighty" now. Thinking along the lines similiar to the movie, it would probably explain why Haruhi has her powers and how Kyon is connected to her. Maybe the world wasn't created but remade 3 years ago by Haruhi when she met Kyon. All these aliens, esper and time travelers probably only came into existence 3 years but not before. The the 3 "supernatural beings" (Itsuki, Yuki, Mikuru) did keep on saying that Kyon is the key plus a lot of the views and narration is by Kyon.

[Vexx]

...... :uhoh: ....:twitch: ....
:heh:
*points at Vexx*
"Shuffle!" fan?
:p

Don't want to revive the dead..... but I thought Shuffle! had many good points, which is why it particularly pissed me off when they were unable to write a story that wasn't so full of holes I could see all the backstage hands running around trying to put out fires. One of the good points was the verbal sparring between Itsuki and Rin.... Having Rin's VA as Kyon would been priceless if Itsuki's VA had been the same as well (haven't had a chance to check the credits yet though).

Its pretty nice listening to Kaede's VA and Rin's VA get to stretch themselves in a more lighthearted direction (Mikuru and Kyon).

[DragoonKain3]

I love Mikuru in this episode. From her casual clothes and her hairstyle, to her serious face and tone (I <3 her other side, more than her 'abused' side), I can't help but root for her and Kyon now. Sure Haruhi is still my fave character in this series (her in casual clothes was just drool worthy), sure I don't mind Haruhi/Kyon as a couple, and I'd be lying if I said my Kitto Kitto Kaede side isn't influencing me, but the park scene just sealed the deal for me. And hey, fighting against fate*cough*Haruhi*cough* isn't that bad of a story either. XD


And all this faction talk has made me thinking, I'd laugh if they make a Haruhi Strategy game. An Espers Vs. Time Travellers Vs. Magic-casting Aliens RTS game would be rather neat, don't you think? HaruhiCraft, coming soon to a store near you! :P

[Vexx]

Aye... this episode let her demonstrate that "hic-squeak" isn't her main talent.

hmmmm, The Call of Haruhi (which actually seems to fit the horror here :) )..... Haruhinchkin .... Haruhi-verse ....

[melange]

And all this faction talk has made me thinking, I'd laugh if they make a Haruhi Strategy game. An Espers Vs. Time Travellers Vs. Magic-casting Aliens RTS game would be rather neat, don't you think? HaruhiCraft, coming soon to a store near you! :PWell.. there IS a story in the novels where the SOS-dan and the computer club duke it out in a RTS game... :heh:

[Sinestra]

I loved this episode its the kind that makes you think about it all day till your head explodes. Whenever someone talked about Suzumiya's powers i kept thinking back to Ayato from Rahxephon not exactly the same but in a ways she could have the same powers as an avatar of time. If she can influnce probability in muti-universes this would explain how she gets pretty much everything she wants. For example on the first day of school she announces that she is only intrested in being friends with aliens, espers and time travllers. The chances of all 3 showing up and on top of that joining her club are very slim to non. But if she can influnce probablity if would make sense.

She could move things around i the world or universe to give her the best outcome for any situation. Its almost like she can unconciously warp space time which mean it would effect people anywhere everywhere and in whatever time. Its the ripple effect if she changes something in a different universe and it effects all universes eventually if will effect the one shes in resulting in whatever the hell she wished for. We know that something happen three years ago weather it being the creation or the world or an event took place we dont know but we do know that Nagato said she was created 3 years ago plus there was an explosion of data from earth which might hav been Suzumiya creating this universe.

But if thats the case its possible that she created another or influnced another universe to create this one with the people she wanted in it cause she was bored in the other one, which would also explain why in ep 4 the esper guy said to not get her angry which if she gets pissed enough poof there goes the world one of her bad moods might have something to do with the time quake Asahina was talking about. Which also might make Kyon a safe guard put in place to keep her from doing such things even though hes just a human, there has got to be something special about him to make Suzumiya act the way she does.

She was obviouly envious of the time that Kyon and Asahina spent together also saying that its not a date or she would straggle them. He could be a product of her own subconcious that she wished for to keep her company to witness her acts. Suzumiya her self might be a product of human evolution. Nagato said that even though humans were imperfect we achieved a high level rate of autoevolution she then says that humans should only be able to retain a certain amount of information since humans lack a way to tansmit data without words. but every now and then something occurs randomly jumping evolution ahead or (Spontanous Evolution) Suzumiya may be that random jump in evolution. If she can control information around her that means that she has the potential to have unlimited knowledge or power limited only by your imagination. Those are just my guesses and what i took from it ill have to watch it again to see if i might have missed something. I am totally addictedto this show

READ MY POST OR HEADS WILL ROLL

[Kaoru Chujo]

...We know that something happen three years ago weather it being the creation or the world we dont know but we do know that Nagato said she created 3 years ago plus there was an explosion of data from earth which might hav been Suzumiya creating this universe.... Not sure if this has any significance, but three years ago, Haruhi would have been entering middle school.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Err... Can you put in some space between paragraphs, Sinestra? I can't read it well...:heh:
EDIT:Thanks for fixing it.

[riznar]

Not sure if this has any significance, but three years ago, Haruhi would have been entering middle school.

And perhaps puberty if she wasn't one of those early girls.

[eVaX]

Not sure if this has any significance, but three years ago, Haruhi would have been entering middle school.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Japanese school system work like: elementary 1-5, middle 6-9, high 10-12? Haruhi would be in her second year of middle school 3 years ago then wouldn't she?

[Vexx]

Those hormones can wreck entire worlds, ya know.

This has got me doing research on the "information theory model" of reality ... aka all matter and energy being just nodes of attributes and what we might be able to do by viewing the universe that way.

[Vexx]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Japanese school system work like: elementary 1-5, middle 6-9, high 10-12? Haruhi would be in her second year of middle school 3 years ago then wouldn't she?

Aye..... but the "hormone rush" angle still might apply if her "awakening" was tied to that. I could speculate it is tied to some event (perhaps Kyon travels back in time and triggers her powers and interests) .... they do use the word "trigger" a lot.

I've about decided its more fun to just sit, watch the show, and not try to make sense of it until the series is over. So I'll mostly just restrain myself from a lot of further speculation and just muddle about the various metaphysics and sci-fi nonsense being flung about.

[melange]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Japanese school system work like: elementary 1-5, middle 6-9, high 10-12? Haruhi would be in her second year of middle school 3 years ago then wouldn't she?Isn't it a 6-3-3 system?

[Sinestra]

Those hormones can wreck entire worlds, ya know.

This has got me doing research on the "information theory model" of reality ... aka all matter and energy being just nodes of attributes and what we might be able to do by viewing the universe that way.


Let me know you know what you find on that Vexx iv been on the net almost all day researching time travel ideas and energy transfernce

[Vexx]

aye.... will do (though its likely to be a list of books to read).

minor miscounts on the school system ... 10-12 (high school) 7-9 (midschool) 1-6 (primary). So 3 years ago from 10th grade was 7th (entering mid school).

Those of us not immersed in the existing novel set can only speculate what entering midschool was like for an Advanced Lifeform.

((hmmm, thats twice today I've posted back-to-back after being convinced that there was a post between.... must be Haruhiism at play))

[monir]

So many interesting post brought out by this episode. The only torturous part is the waiting for the follow up episode for at least two weeks, but I might not care after the beach-episode scheduled to air next week.

[Sinestra]

((hmmm, thats twice today I've posted back-to-back after being convinced that there was a post between.... must be Haruhiism at play))

Haruhiism huy? sounds like a new religion to me Im so in

[Lost]

For example on the first day of school she announces that she is only intrested in being friends with aliens, espers and time travllers. The chances of all 3 showing up and on top of that joining her club are very slim to non. But if she can influnce probablity if would make sense.
On that, do you notice that so far the only people really close to Haruhi (i.e, those in her circle, those whom she randomly drags into the club) are from those three groups? (excepting Kyon, at the moment.) She obviously has a way of attracting them; if not, creating them with her god-like powers from random data streams due to her being a step further in autoevolution. Which makes me think: What is so special about Kyon. I hope this will be the focus of future eps.

About the bluebird reference, and its explaination in some previous posts; what if Kyon is that "blue bird of happiness". I mean, she goes over all the place looking for happiness.. in Aliens, Espers, TimeTravellers, mysteries and the like; but then at the end, this happiness is right infront of her, in the form of Kyon. This could take a love story turn. :heh:

Which also might make Kyon a safe guard put in place to keep her from doing such things even though hes just a human, there has got to be something special about him to make Suzumiya act the way she does.
Actually, considering the situation in ep5, Kyon is the most dangerous person that can be let near Haruhi. Imagine if they hooked up. What would happen to reality and thousands of dimensions if they had a quarrel?

Somehow I'm thinking that everyone who already read the novels will find our questions and theories really funny lol.
I can't help but think so too :heh:

((hmmm, thats twice today I've posted back-to-back after being convinced that there was a post between.... must be Haruhiism at play))
Oh, High priest, this is a clearly a sign from Her highness Haruhi!!

:p :p

[Sinestra]

hey Lost didnt think about it that way but your right in a way Kyon is the most dangerous person to be let near her since weve seen how he can spark an emotional response from her, so it just might have the makings of a love story too. Im glad im not in Kyons shoes id hate to be the one to take the blame for a paradox so servere it detroyed all of space and time

[Vexx]

Here's a minor hit on the concept of the universe as a projection of the underlying "something" information index --- universe as "hologram". The article reaches a bit but it makes use of David Bohm's research and the Aspect experiment that confirmed the spookier aspects of Bell's Theorem.
http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html
One of the notes is that the whole "action at a distance" between entangled particles is only spooky if you restrict yourself to the dimensions you can measure.

I don't subscribe to all of Bohm's work but he has a lot of interesting ideas.
Collecting some book titles.... probably ought to throw these into the ontology section.

edit: don't know if its any good but its a jump point - at amazon.com a book on decoding the universe
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067003441X/103-0661588-3526212?v=glance&n=283155

[monir]

For example on the first day of school she announces that she is only intrested in being friends with aliens, espers and time travllers. The chances of all 3 showing up and on top of that joining her club are very slim to non. But if she can influnce probablity if would make sense.
Didn't all three of them mention they were observing Haruhi for some time? So when Haruhi declares her preference of interest - the esper, the aliens, and the time travellers - just put themselves in the right places at the right time for Haruhi to discover. The question still remains, would Haruhi care to find them if the idea of a club never came from Kyon? Probably that is the reason why the-trio consider Kyon special/unpredictable.

[evil-samurai]

I doubt that most people are here for a huge in-depth detail story about time traveling and all the rest :heh: this episode wasn't as good; there wasn't as much humor but it did sort out alot of things, in a well thought out way.

Though they did miss out on a few things; like at the end a at the end when Kyon walks in, I was expecting 'Mikuru to scream'! but there was no scream :(

Wow! Mikuru had some in-put into the episode, though still.. they keep on cutting her talk short :heh: Well I just hope they do show a little more of Mikuru like this ->http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3513/copyofmikuru25lj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(the added sound in the anime made it better)

[mr.muffin]

... so it just might have the makings of a love story too. Im glad im not in Kyons shoes id hate to be the one to take the blame for a paradox so servere it detroyed all of space and time
True, but on good days Kyon would have a girlfriend with godlike powers. He could get anything he wanted. ;)

[melange]

True, but on good days Kyon would have a girlfriend with godlike powers. He could get anything he wanted. ;)Correction... SHE would get anything she wanted :heh: Or have you forgotten the tugging Kyon by the necktie scenes in ep2? :D

[LCeh]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned in here, but someone brought this to my attention on another board. Did you notice how in the ED, Haruhi and Kyon's name were separated from others and were put in big size font? This is all because of Haruhi's jealously, and her wish to be alone with Kyon. :heh:

[Furudanuki]

One of the good points was the verbal sparring between Itsuki and Rin.... Having Rin's VA as Kyon would been priceless if Itsuki's VA had been the same as well (haven't had a chance to check the credits yet though)
The VA for Suzumiya's Itsuki is Daisuke Ono (also was Hatada in REC), while the VA for Shuffle!'s Itsuki was Hideki Ogihara. The other Shuffle! alumnus in the Suzumiya VA cast is Sayaka Aoki - Kyon's sister / Lisianthus.

[Vexx]

Actually, the idea of being tie-tugged by Haruhi was an initial appeal of the show before I had any clue the show was a mile deep.

edit: thanks, Furu .... o the tangled branches of VA-dom.

[monir]

Wow! Mikuru had some in-put into the episode, though still.. they keep on cutting her talk short :heh: Well I just hope they do show a little more of Mikuru like this ->http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3513/copyofmikuru25lj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(the added sound in the anime made it better)I thought it was intentionally done to stress the fact that the details of them being here wasn't really that important other than to know they are here and the reason behind them for being here is Haruhi. And Mikuru-chan was, as usual, spectacular. Gave this episdoe an eight because of that wink! :heh:

[melange]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned in here, but someone brought this to my attention on another board. Did you notice how in the ED, Haruhi and Kyon's name were separated from others and were put in big size font? This is all because of Haruhi's jealously, and her wish to be alone with Kyon. :heh:Already mentioned 7 pages ago (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=548370&postcount=49) :heh:

[dkellis]

(Do tell me if you'd rather I didn't post these long Logs)

Personally, I absolutely love reading the synch logs. The enthusiasm is palpable, and it always brings a smile to my face.

[evil-samurai]

I thought it was intentionally done to stress the fact that the details of them being here wasn't really that important other than to know they are here and the reason behind them for being here is Haruhi. And Mikuru-chan was, as usual, spectacular. Gave this episdoe an eight because of that wink! :heh:I might... of gave it a 9 had it had that Scream, ah! yes that wink did rise the enjoyment of the episode :heh: I figured more or less that they cut her talk because it wasn't too important to get into detail about it, and also to add in a bit subtle humor to it, since its Mikuru! talking seriously! to Kyon about time traveling!I forced myself through episode 1 just to see the meat of the show,Really.... :(

Episode 1 was, I mean is the best episode of the show so far (imo). I want to see them start making the movie already :heh:

[justinstrife]

well just starting episode 5 now(just started the show tonight actually), and I have to say, Haruhi is the wackiest anime girl I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Having said that, though the show is entertaining, it isn't exactly what I'd call #1 of the season for me. If it weren't for her interactions with the male lead, I probably wouldn't watch at all. I forced myself through episode 1 just to see the meat of the show, but having episode 4 cut past what happened at the end of 3, just confused me even more.

Not gonna drop the show, but not as enthused as the rest of you.

[ordnance11]

Hi guys!
Adding some theories for the mystery of haruhi
I think i have seen this idea somewhere else but it's fun to speculate

Well maybe Kyon actually it's the one with the "God powers", he mentioned at the beginning of the ep 2(1) than he believed in all that stuff and for a time he doesn't want to accept reality and wishing all were true right?
What's if the event of 3 years ago was when he mentioned he already accepted reality but he actually refused to accept it and wished someone like haruhi existed in the world and transfered all his ideas and power to that being to be able to be a "normal human" like the rest (probably unconceiusly that's why when haruhi meet him she felt something familiar about him and that also explain why he's the only one who isn't affected for her wishing (being his creator and the only thing not manipulated by her because she is a part of him

Well that's it and it's just something to think about and that's why i love even more this anime :p
Maybe later i'll post another theories

see you!
Actually, kyon being the one who is "God" does make sense if you look at the OP. There was a frame there that suggests a passing of the "torch" to Haruhi. If Kyon was "God" and he decided to take a holiday as a normal human being, he might had decided to give his powers to Haruhi. Which probably why Haruhi asked him in ep2 whether they had met.

[Lost]

Thats one irresponsible "god" :heh:

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Thats one irresponsible "god" :heh:
Since when is a God suppose to be responsible for anything?

It's not like there is any moral codes that bind such beings, after all. An all-powerful creature with no equal, need not appologise for any actions. We chose to believe God is responsible only because it's too frighting to think otherwise.

[panzerfan]

(suddenly pictures GOD making up a EULA)

[justinstrife]

Hi guys!
Adding some theories for the mystery of haruhi
I think i have seen this idea somewhere else but it's fun to speculate

Well maybe Kyon actually it's the one with the "God powers", he mentioned at the beginning of the ep 2(1) than he believed in all that stuff and for a time he doesn't want to accept reality and wishing all were true right?
What's if the event of 3 years ago was when he mentioned he already accepted reality but he actually refused to accept it and wished someone like haruhi existed in the world and transfered all his ideas and power to that being to be able to be a "normal human" like the rest (probably unconceiusly that's why when haruhi meet him she felt something familiar about him and that also explain why he's the only one who isn't affected for her wishing (being his creator and the only thing not manipulated by her because she is a part of him

Well that's it and it's just something to think about and that's why i love even more this anime :p
Maybe later i'll post another theories
see you!

You're not the only one with this theory. I just started the series tonight, and that idea cropped up for me too as well. My friend has his own theories about the show, the funny thing is, none of his points discredit my own theory. :heh:

Would make sense about somethings though, wouldn't it?

[ApathyEcstasy]

You mean by its perception; it has always existed? Due to memories huh..


Thats true... unable?, or subconsiously unwilling to? Love..

or maybe it's the whole idea that kyon (and things involving kyon) are the things in the world that she can't change/manipulate through un-natural means..though i'm sure she could manipulate him through natural feminine means if you get my drift ;)

[ApathyEcstasy]

just wondering if anyone knows exactly how many episodes there will be of haruhi...also..how far into the novel series will it take us? (speculation is welcome)

[Psieye]

While many will have noted this already, for the others I point out: all three have said that there are more of 'their own kind' nearby (read: at school and such). So why did it happen to be Yuki among the aliens, Mikuru among the time travellers and Itsuki among the Espers? I'd say because they fit the 'Appeal Criteria' for the SOS-dan? ^^

Itsuki's Appeal as a mysterious nice guy, Mikuru's obvious and Yuki... well she isn't on Haruhi's radar but again an obvious... 'appeal template'

Well, point I'm trying ot make is to remember that the SOS-dan members aren't the only ones of their kind when coming up wtih theories.

[Iron Maw]

Well, point I'm trying ot make is to remember that the SOS-dan members aren't the only ones of their kind when coming up wtih theories.

Eh, I thought their theories were generally agreed upon by their respective Organizations, not something that only Itsuki, Mikuru, and Yuki themselves came up with individually.

I hope we see other members from these Organizations, and it will be interesting to see if they have conflicts with how there Bosses' so to speak are handling Haruhi's situation.

Also here is a a interesting comment from another forum on Haruhi's behavior, her feelings toward Kyon and her powers:

Because she can't exactly control her powers when she's completely oblivious to them.

Not just that... a person's consious mind is different form a person's subconscious. Freud defined this as the ego vs. id, (or in other literature the concious vs. the subconscious) Cabbalists differentiate this from the physical mind on the first plane and the mental mind on the seventh, certain new age idealogies define it as the higher mind vs. the lower mind, and the fusion of both minds is known by buddhists as Enlightenment.

Basically your "normal self" is the lower mind which contains your day-to-day thoughts while the higher mind is the one privy to God and which knows what you really want. The lower mind of course is not privy to this, but your actual actions and all events occuring in your experience is a result of the upper mind working with God to create the outcome of events that form your life (thus there is no coincidence, it all simply happens according to what your higher self wills).

This is because your higher self knows what you need in order to grow as a person, whereas your lower mind does not and is only a fragile shell/ego of what you think you are.

In Haruhi's case, her lower mind thinks she might want Kyon or whatever but her higher mind knows for some reason that it is not quite time for her to be all flirty and together with Kyon, thus she ends up not drawing the same sticks (as it is her higher mind that is causing all the coincidences.

[melange]

Eh, I thought their theories were generally agreed upon by their respective Organizations, not something that only Itsuki, Mikuru, and Yuki themselves came up with individually.

I hope we see other members from these Organizations, and it will be interesting to see if they have conflicts with how there Bosses' so to speak are handling Haruhi's situation.The theories aren't homogenous even amongst the respective organizations, i.e. among all three there is further factionalization and disagreement.

[Iron Maw]

The theories aren't homogenous even amongst the respective organizations, i.e. among all three there is further factionalization and disagreement.

That sounds great! The story comes across more realistic when not everyone who knows about Haruhi is able to accept her that way or, what she did (intentional, or otherwise) 3 years ago, so readily, especially if Itsuki's Organzation theory are true.

[tritoch]

Could it be that the next episode is what Haruhi wanted and she'll have her way with Kyon as seeing her huge jealous nature this episode went futile except for the ED credits. :heh:

[Cats]

Episode Rating... Very Good

Reason...

Humor... was just Good... not the usual standard...
Everything else... Excellent

The story development was Brilliant... exposing the truth just helps move the story along... although this Haruhi=God thing is kind of suspicious... the fact that Kyon just happened to be a normal human... and all the other characters aliens, time travelers and so on... is a little hard to accept, especially after Itsuki tells Kyon that he's there because Haruhi wished it :rolleyes:... I thought she didn't like normal humans :eyebrow: ...

Speculation time...

Maybe Kyon and Haruhi are both gods... or maybe Kyon is a god and Haruhi is the key that can channels his power... I don't recall hearing any of the other character discuss any suspicious godlike activity before Haruhi came to the school...

Why is Haruhi active when she's near Kyon :rolleyes: ...

Of course there's the possibility that Kyon is the only god and Suzumiya Haruhi is a ghost/demon... that's the only one that's mentioned by Kyon in his monolog at the bigining of episode 2 and not by Haruhi in her speech :eyebrow: (same episode)... (my favorite)
Reasoning...
Since she's a ghost/demon... she's the prime suspect for the other members... as they may not be able to recognize what she is with instruments/methods... and she doesn't classify as human ;) ...

... and... she's been sent from Hell just for Kyon :heh: ...

That or Kyon is a slider :eyebrow:...

http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon5.gif I must be the only one here that doesn't know this, but what are sliders and espers :confused:

[icchan's_world]

haha i juz luv the scorn on haruhi's face when she didn't get to pair up with kyon. n similarly when she didn't get kyon to fan her. haha. so cute. oh haruhi-sama~, i'll gladly do it 4 u!! looking at the end of the next ep previews, the sos-dan seems to be lookin at something unpleasant. hmm.... can't wait!

[Wrath88]

I don't know what sliders are, some kind of dimension travellers?
But espers are supposed to be spelled ESPers, people who have ESP, Extra Sensory Perception, basically, what we would call psychics.

[Lost]

Since when is a God suppose to be responsible for anything?

It's not like there is any moral codes that bind such beings, after all. An all-powerful creature with no equal, need not appologise for any actions. We chose to believe God is responsible only because it's too frighting to think otherwise.
A good point, even if, IMO, a little bit warped to my set of beliefs. But thats an entirely different discussion so lets not pursue it :heh:

or maybe it's the whole idea that kyon (and things involving kyon) are the things in the world that she can't change/manipulate through un-natural means..though i'm sure she could manipulate him through natural feminine means if you get my drift Yep I like that idea. I'm a sucker for these kinda romances.

I must be the only one here that doesn't know this, but what are sliders and espers
Heh don't worry I too didnt know espers were until a few thread-pages ago. espers = ESPers (i think) = people with ESP = people with Extra Sensory Perception; things that "normal" people cannot acheive, telepathy for example. whoops beaten to it :)

[mp3chan]

Though they did miss out on a few things; like at the end a at the end when Kyon walks in, I was expecting 'Mikuru to scream'! but there was no scream :(
It's called being faithful to the Novel :D

I don't know what sliders are, some kind of dimension travellers?
According to "Sliders" TV series, Slider is a man who travel to different parallel universes. I don't know if this meaning fits slider in Suzumiya Haruhi.

[mr.muffin]

Correction... SHE would get anything she wanted :heh: Or have you forgotten the tugging Kyon by the necktie scenes in ep2? :D
True... I was kinda hoping if they got together Haruhi would be more considerate towards Kyon's feelings. At the moment tho... Haruhi is world's away from being that sort of female character.

[ZeusIrae]

I doubt that most people are here for a huge in-depth detail story about time traveling and all the rest :heh:





Those people don't know what they are missing.Insane speculations and crazy physics are part of the fun.:D

[Lost]

Those people don't know what they are missing.Insane speculations and crazy physics are part of the fun.:D
Quoted for TRUTH. :D

[Shiroth]

After watching episode 05 (03), i can say when its all finished.. theres no way i could watch the series in order.

I really didn't see the whole Itsuki & Mikuru being apart of what Yuki explained to happen.. that was a really big shocker imo - though it adds a nice lil' touch, and now i can start to understand more about the baseball episode.

From episode 05, i've learn that Mikuru is amazing when wearing classes, and Itsuki has the best smile ever.. god i'm turning gay.

[ApathyEcstasy]

*drool* haruhi looks awesome when she's frowning (when she didn't pick the right toothpicks to pair up with kyon..and when he refuses to fan her)

[shiro83]

I think Kyon is overwhelmed by the thoughts that he is surrounded by superbeings.

[ApathyEcstasy]

I think Kyon is overwhelmed by the thoughts that he is surrounded by superbeings.

he doesn't seem overwhelmed at all

[Wrath88]

he doesn't seem overwhelmed at all
He's just in denial, that's all. Normal human beings wouldn't be able to comprehend the extent of the situation.
True... I was kinda hoping if they got together Haruhi would be more considerate towards Kyon's feelings. At the moment tho... Haruhi is world's away from being that sort of female character.
Worlds? You're being too kind.... Try parallel universes, its a lot more appropriate.:heh:

[Zeni]

This show is getting way too confusing to enjoy. @_@

[Psieye]

Eh, I thought their theories were generally agreed upon by their respective Organizations, not something that only Itsuki, Mikuru, and Yuki themselves came up with individually.

Ah, no I meant "when you, the audience members, come up with theories, factor in that there's more than one alien, time traveler and esper nearby"

According to "Sliders" TV series, Slider is a man who travel to different parallel universes. I don't know if this meaning fits slider in Suzumiya Haruhi.
Sliders was the popular translation of the Japanese term. "Dimension Hopper" was what I thought of as an alternate one after seeing that English word. "Planeswalker" was suggested too.


Nyahaha, a friend of mine nicely pointed out last week how Ep 4's "next ep preview" of 'Mikuru gets molested again' was a way of bringing down anime-only watchers' guards. TMI Cannon!!! XD


On the subject of romance, I don't think they're going to have any romance any time soon. Mind you, that's a fairly meaningless statement - the Greeks had 15 different words for the ambiguous English "love" word. That they learn to care for each other will be enough to satisfy me.

It's an amusing message if you apply Yuki's Ep 1 line of "choose me or her" (to Itsuki in the film) to apply to Kyon, Haruhi and Mikuru. "Choose Haruhi and you can help advance the Universe to its true form, or choose Mikuru and doom the future." - never had so much been at stake on a potential love triangle, no matter what form of love is involved ^^

[Decel]

If Haruhi gets her way, the whole world would be destroyed/rewritten before the Kyon x Mikuru relationship gets past first base :heh:

[monir]

It's an amusing message if you apply Yuki's Ep 1 line of "choose me or her" (to Itsuki in the film) to apply to Kyon, Haruhi and Mikuru. "Choose Haruhi and you can help advance the Universe to its true form, or choose Mikuru and doom the future." - never had so much been at stake on a potential love triangle, no matter what form of love is involved ^^Doom the future! DOOM the future! One more reason why ep 1 still shines the shiniest. :heh: Haruhi just wants Kyon so he can't fan anyone else either.

also to add in a bit subtle humor to it, since its Mikuru! talking seriously! to Kyon about time traveling!:heh: It must have been overwhelming. No wonder Kyon wanted to raise the subject about Mikuru's current age.

[Onizuka-GTO]

One more reason why ep 1 still shines the Brightest

fixed. :D :p

[Vexx]

Ah, no I meant "when you, the audience members, come up with theories, factor in that there's more than one alien, time traveler and esper nearby"


Sliders was the popular translation of the Japanese term. "Dimension Hopper" was what I thought of as an alternate one after seeing that English word. "Planeswalker" was suggested too.

On the subject of romance, ... That they learn to care for each other will be enough to satisfy me.


Sudden thoughts of Aahz, Skeeve, and the others fill my head.... oh for a d-hopper.
I'm trying to recall the science fiction term for shifting between parallel universes prior to "slider" but that term has swamped out any neural cluster archives --- "slider" just works too well.

The romance note quoted for great truth...

[Pracharat]

I also think that Kyon more likely God than Haruhi because (Spoiler from Translated novel Vol.1 - Prologue)



He wish to be a side character !!!!!

"I wanted to be the one who saved the girl kidnapped by aliens and imprisoned in a bowl-like prison. I wanted to be the one who used my courage, intelligence and trusty laser gun to fight against villains from the future trying to change history for their own gain. I wanted to be someone who could banish demons and monsters with a single spell, battle against mutants or psychics from evil organizations, and engage in telepathic fights!

Wait, calm down. If I really were ever attacked by aliens or whatever, how could I ever possibly fight against them? I don't even have any special powers!

Hmm, how about this: one day, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. He's really an alien or from the future, and he has telepathic abilities. When he gets into a fight with the bad guys, all I need to do is find a way to get involved in his war. He'll handle all the fighting and I can just be his flunky sidekick. Oh my god, this is great, I am so clever!

Well, if that doesn't work, how about this: one day, a mysterious power inside me awakens, something like a telekinetic or psychic ability. I discover that a lot of other people in this world also have similar powers, and then some sort of paranormal society recruits me. I'll become part of this organization and protect the world against evil mutants."

or it may the case that Haruhi's wish(to be fun with alien, time traveler and esper) and Kyon's wish (to be side character in the paranormal story) are matched so they stick together in SOS dan.

[Kazu-kun]

I also think that Kyon more likely God than Haruhi because (Spoiler from Translated novel Vol.1 - Prologue)



He wish to be a side character !!!!!

"I wanted to be the one who saved the girl kidnapped by aliens and imprisoned in a bowl-like prison. I wanted to be the one who used my courage, intelligence and trusty laser gun to fight against villains from the future trying to change history for their own gain. I wanted to be someone who could banish demons and monsters with a single spell, battle against mutants or psychics from evil organizations, and engage in telepathic fights!

Wait, calm down. If I really were ever attacked by aliens or whatever, how could I ever possibly fight against them? I don't even have any special powers!

Hmm, how about this: one day, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. He's really an alien or from the future, and he has telepathic abilities. When he gets into a fight with the bad guys, all I need to do is find a way to get involved in his war. He'll handle all the fighting and I can just be his flunky sidekick. Oh my god, this is great, I am so clever!

Well, if that doesn't work, how about this: one day, a mysterious power inside me awakens, something like a telekinetic or psychic ability. I discover that a lot of other people in this world also have similar powers, and then some sort of paranormal society recruits me. I'll become part of this organization and protect the world against evil mutants."

or it may the case that Haruhi's wish(to be fun with alien, time traveler and esper) and Kyon's wish (to be side character in the paranormal story) are matched so they stick together in SOS dan.



Well, he wanted to be the sidekick at first since it would be to dangerous to be the hero. But when Ryouko tried to kill him, he understood this wasn't the case: he wasn't the sidekick but a key character in this story!

He's not in the story he wished for (at least he doesn't have the role he wished for). So I don't think Kyon has any power. This is Haruhi's story and he's in it, that's all.

[Bracken33]

Episode 5 was great, I cannot wait for episode 6.

From episode 05, i've learn that Mikuru is amazing when wearing classes, and Itsuki has the best smile ever.. god i'm turning gay.


No, but...

I also think that Kyon more likely God than Haruhi because (Spoiler from Translated novel Vol.1 - Prologue)

...if Kyon is god, probably I will turn theist (me is atheist). I think he is ok.
And if Haruhi is a goddess I would even join the strangest cults :D.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Just an update on 2channel thread numbers. Haruhi is now up to 122 threads, with Fate/Stay Night (with over three times as many episodes broadcast) at 72. The question now is: when will SHnY double the number of threads FSN has.

Quite a phenomenon. I don't know how this 2channel popularity compares with great shows of the past. Maybe kj1980 or Sushi-Y or someone else does.

The anti-SHnY posts are still on the order of a tenth of the pro- ones, at 11 threads. Higurashi is the second-most-popular show of the season, at 35 threads. Utawarerumono is next, at 16.

Here on AS, there are around 5000 F/SN posts and around 3400 posts in SHnY threads -- by my rough estimates.

[Woland]

Here on AS, there are around 5000 F/SN posts and around 3400 posts in SHnY threads -- by my rough estimates.

You can have a more accurate situation just by watching at the "current series discussion" subforum

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7649/asforum1ue.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asforum1ue.jpg)

FSN 7633
SHnY 3508

Still a long way to go :) but the amount and quality of discussion is good with very few spam-like post (the Shuffle sindrome seem far away :heh: and this is a very good thing)

[Sinestra]

It was already said in Ep 5 that Kyon is just human so hes not a god we just dont know enough yet about him

[ordnance11]

It was already said in Ep 5 that Kyon is just human so hes not a god we just dont know enough yet about him


I'll agree to him being human...but if he turned himself into a "normal" human being without any memories of any prior exsistence..who would know the truth? It's like the Big Bang....we have proof it existed...but how do we know if what happened before then..if anything did happen?If Haruhi did recreate the world, how do we know if there was a prior world before that?

[Kaoru Chujo]

']You can have a more accurate situation just by watching at the "current series discussion" subforum
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7649/asforum1ue.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asforum1ue.jpg)
FSN 7633
SHnY 3508
Still a long way to go :) but the amount and quality of discussion is good with very few spam-like post (the Shuffle sindrome seem far away :heh: and this is a very good thing) Quite right. I recalled that view not being accurate, so I added the numbers in each sub-thread in my head. I just double-checked using a quick spreadsheet and my head was clearly too small, lol. Still fairly impressive speed, though.

As for spam-like posts, it gets pretty filler-y on 2channel when they get near the 1000 posts that end a thread. For one show I was watching, people would make a long series of posts of a repeated line from the OP. There is a bit of that for the 122nd thread of SHnY. The last ten posts of the thread are fillers like: "1000," "At 1000, all the female characters will be mine," "At 1000, Kyon will disappear," etc. (They are now into 123.)

[eggplant]

Just an update on 2channel thread numbers. Haruhi is now up to 122 threads, with Fate/Stay Night (with over three times as many episodes broadcast) at 72. The question now is: when will SHnY double the number of threads FSN has.

Quite a phenomenon. I don't know how this 2channel popularity compares with great shows of the past. Maybe kj1980 or Sushi-Y or someone else does.

Well, just from a quantitative perspective, here are the numbers for 2ch threads that have exceeded the 200 mark.

Gundam Seed/Gundam Seed Destiny combined thread since Oct 2002: 732
Ojamajo Doremi series thread since Feb 1999: 291
Mai HiME thread since Sep 2004: 272
Mai Otome thread since Oct 2005: 265 (nearly 266)
Pani Poni Dash! thread since Jul 2005: 240 (nearly 241)
Rozen Maiden Traumend thread since Oct 2005: 231
Rozen Maiden thread since Oct 2004: 208

From this, you can tell that Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is moving at an unprecedented pace which will topple 300 threads by the time it finishes airing.

Although the number of 2ch threads/posts is not necessarily indicative of a show's popularity in terms of ratings or DVD sales, it is certainly an indicator of the popularity within the otaku community, the primal target for late night shows.

If the producers are using 2ch boards as referential material for consideration of a sequel, SHnY has a great chance.

[Vexx]

Do they count the actual separate posters? or just the "spammy" number of posts.

I'm kind of absurd myself in the number of posts I throw out but I'm still only going to buy one set (maybe one more as a gift) of a manga and a few figurine knickknacks.

Doesn't sound terribly useful if its 4 or 5 posters having one of those idiotic "my girl is best" flame wars.

edit: just watched ep 5 again.... it is just glorious watching Suzumiya's swath of energy and the way she moves. If a girl lunged over her desk at me like that, I'd be incapable of noticing anything else.


notes: she doesn't like to dress up unless Mikuru is there because its no fun without her.
notes: she doesn't show up at the end... is she upset that she never got to be with Kyon? does she even realize why she's upset?

notes: loved the little tricks of perception and multi-modal information flow during Yuki's exposition.
notes: loved the "parallel" voicing and scene sequencing during Mikuru's "time is an illusion" exposition.


Probably repeating myself... but I just can't believe the multiple layering of information that spray out of this show. fabulous.

[melange]

Do they count the actual separate posters? or just the "spammy" number of posts.

I'm kind of absurd myself in the number of posts I throw out but I'm still only going to buy one set (maybe one more as a gift) of a manga and a few figurine knickknacks.

Doesn't sound terribly useful if its 4 or 5 posters having one of those idiotic "my girl is best" flame wars.Well since posting on 2ch is 'anonymous' i.e. you can't really tell separate posters, there's no real way of knowing.

[Decel]

Well, just from a quantitative perspective, here are the numbers for 2ch threads that have exceeded the 200 mark.

Gundam Seed/Gundam Seed Destiny combined thread since Oct 2002: 732
Ojama Doremi series thread since Feb 1999: 291
Mai HiME thread since Sep 2004: 272
Mai Otome thread since Oct 2005: 265 (nearly 266)
Pani Poni Dash! thread since Jul 2005: 240 (nearly 241)
Rozen Maiden Traumend thread since Oct 2005: 231
Rozen Maiden thread since Oct 2004: 208

Are these the only shows which have surpassed 200 threads or just a sample?
I'm surprised the Rozen series are so popular.

And I wonder where Haruhi went on that day. I wonder when the sequel will air. If I recall correctly, the current anime covers vol 1-3 only right?

[Alu]

Are these the only shows which have surpassed 200 threads or just a sample?
I'm surprised the Rozen series are so popular.

:topicoff: but.., in responce to your comment.. - Did you ever check the Rozen Maiden Thread here in AS fansub's.. ? :p

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

:topicoff: but.., in responce to your comment.. - Did you ever check the Rozen Maiden Thread here in AS fansub's.. ? :p
He probably thought Rozen Maiden wasn't popular, because most of RozenM's posts were wiped during the Great Forum Crack incident. So the thread looked small when it really wasn't.

[justinstrife]

Rozen Maiden for the win. :)

[iamandragon]

I just watched episode 5 the subbed version...
wow.
wow.
wow...
I am so tempted to watch and copy down every single word Nagato said in the beginning...

[mp3chan]

Rozen Maiden for the win. :)
You want your head roll or what? :heh:

Haruhi will end this world if she read your post :uhoh: