Higurashi Q & A

[chrno]

Yes, you need to see the first series --- it is necessary to watch this before the second season. You need to see each arc, and what happens to truly understand, and appreciate the second season.

Ah ok, thanks. No cliff notes for 'Higurashi' here. I'll do that.

[Proto]

I have a quick question. I hope I can be clear on this.

I recently started watching the 2nd season. Should've I have watched the first series or does the 2nd series pretty much sum up what wasn't explained in the first season?

I'm enjoying it. And it's creepy. I had always wondered what the whole deal with knives and "killer lolis" was all about.

Yeah, stop watching the second series NOW and get back to watching the first season. With some luck you haven't spoiled the whole show for you yet :p
Really, Higurashi is a show that slowly unveil it's secrets, and by now most of them have been revealed and they are exposed under the spotlight. If you value Higurashi's mistery element at all restrain yourself from watching any more second season episodes. What's more, leave the show for a whole year and hope that by then you have forgotten most of what you've seen. :)

[Davidj]

In what instances do Mion actually pretend as Shion? For example, was it really Mion when Keiichi went for the first time in Angel Mort?

She doesn't and it wasn't.

[Sterling01]

It was Mion the first time at angel mort

[chrno_the_sinner]

Was it? I thought the first time at Angel Mort was Shion.

Mion dressed as Shion when she gave him the food the second time Keiichi and Shion met.

[Klashikari]

No, it is surely Mion the first time in the angel mort.
First, Shion isn't the kind of girl being timid because of her outfit, even if she meets Keiichi for the first time (as she shouldn't be embarassed anyway)
The second clue is probably how "Shion" looked at Keiichi when he left the angel mort for the first time, which was similar to how Mion looked at Keiichi later on.

Granted, the anime messed up this part, as keiichi claimed "so, the first time was really shion, and the shion who gave me the bento is Mion..." (Especially Shion wasn't supposed to be exposed just after the "biker incident". The "shion who was fierce" was indeed Mion)

In fact, Shion has really shown herself after the doll incident (as result of her discussion with mion), and invited him in a dessert fiesta while she was supposed to work.

In the manga, it is much more clear that Shion met keiichi for the first time only after the "Angel mort defense" with the lecherous nerds.

[MarthX]

Now I'm confused.

Why would Mion be dressed as Shion at Angel Mort when she's supposed to be helping her uncle at the Toy Shop?

[Sterling01]

She only said that she had to help her uncle. She didn't say which one

Refer to Who are Mion's uncles and what do they do? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=549477&postcount=22) TIPS

[Klashikari]

There are also times the twins must switch even if the Sonozaki issues are already done (especially shown in episode 10, with Kimiyoshi).
I guess it is more like Shion wants to have a break with the Angel Mort or she has other things to do. Mion doesn't actually have a constant part-job as seen in both seasons, and this TIPS.
So seeing her helping Shion isn't something surprising. (and that certainly explains "Shion's uneasiness")

[Sterling01]

Then it gets even more confusing when you find out that
Mion's real name is Shion and Shion's is Mion

[Klashikari]

Nah... it is only confusing and relevant when we have to analyze Mion's guilt, and Shion view of the sonozaki.

Outside of this realm (so outside of the issues of Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen), there is no problem to keep calling them with the way how we know them : Mion the tomboyish heir, having a crush on Keiichi; and Shion the girly younger twin, having a crush on Satoshi.

I'm even wondering if the Sonozaki knows about this mistake. Considering how Mion and Oryou are acting in the TIPS and in Watanagashi/Meakashi/Minagoroshi-hen, looks like they don't know they screwed up.

[GyroidFanatic]

EDIT: nevermind

[Rias]

If i rememeber correctly, it was said (in Meakashi-hen) that some Sonozaki family members knew about the switch after the tattoo ceremony took place. However, since the ceremony is done, there's really nothing much they can do but to just acknowledge the fact that Shion <-> Mion

[Sterling01]

I think it's kinda like a SHIKI/Shiki thing

[miaka16]

I remember seeing in the anime store (I live in Canada so to my luck there is an anime store where i can rent anime although the internet is getting very useful today), an anime that was called The day they cried. But it was the exact same anime as Higurashi no naku koro ni.

Is that the english title that they gave it? I personally don't know why animes have to have different names from the japanese ones... Is the translation for Higurashi no naku koro ni, they day they cried? Seems a lot more shorter than the original name. To tell you the truth i am half japanese but I don't even know this... hehe a long way to go. The story of the anime is complicated. I don't quite understand the concept of the anime but I does involve blood and gore WHICH I LOVE XD ... Just to tell you, there is no nudity because you know how there's usually anime with gore and nudity but this ones different.

I hate that this anime ends with a never ending cliff hanger! At the end, the little girl with a think purple hair, says to the detective "Fine I'll play your game." What does that mean? what game is she playing? I know that she will die because all the other characters died, however, she looks like as if she was waiting for this... suspicious...

There are sooo many questions that are always unsolved for me with that anime.. If you could help this poor stupid head understand the story better, that would be a great help! :)

[Aoie_Emesai]

I can't fully explain it here since the story is underdeveloped just by watching the anime w/o playing the game or reading the manga so i'll just give you the link to all the spoilers and suches ^_^

You can pretty much find most of your answers there along with more opinions :D

http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=55

[Neaco]

The English US dub name is "When they cry" Don't know if it is different in Canada but it's common for some anime dub titles to change due to difficulty to the literal translation sounding awkward in another language, and other similar translation reasons.

Higurashi is a kind of cicada, and the literal translation would "When Cicadas Cry."

You probably should've posted this in the Higurashi (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=55)forum, if so you would know there's a season 2 that continues the story^^


>Aoie_Emesai was a bit faster than me in replying☆

[Christen]

I found out that reading the game TIPS help a lot if you're just going to watch the anime.

[Level E]

"When They Cry" is official. It's the name of 07th Expansion's "...Naku koro ni" series.

ひぐらしのなく頃に　　　Higurashi no Naku koro ni - When They Cry
ひぐらしのなく頃に・解　Higurashi no Naku koro ni KAI - When They Cry 2
ひぐらしのなく頃に・礼　Higurashi no Naku koro ni REI - When They Cry 2.5
うみねこのなく頃に　　　Umineko no Naku koro ni - When They Cry 3

[Christen]

A side note, Umineko means seagull. Is there anything significant to a seagull's cry?

[Sterling01]

The story takes place on an island

[Christen]

I meant is there a special meaning to a seagull's cry. It was stated that the cry of the higurashi is rather sad and cicadas are also a symbol of death.

[tbl]

Will Matsuribayashi-hen/Festival Accompanying Chapter take up the last 11 episodes of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, or is there another chapter before or after it?

Thanks.

[Klashikari]

Matsuribayashi-hen will take up the last 11 episodes.
It has been confirmed since the trailer they will only cover 3 chapters with the second season:
-Yakusamashi-hen
-Minagoroshi-hen
-Matsuribayashi-hen

[Davidj]

Recall Rena's near-death experience in Ibaraki. However, that's also debatable if that is really Hanyuu, or just her imagination.

Rena is not an outsider. She was born in Hinamazawa and given enough of a Hinamazawan upbringing that she was familiar with Oyashiro-Sama's curse.

[Rias]

Rena is not an outsider. She was born in Hinamazawa and giving enough of a Hinamazawan upbringing that she was familiar with Oyashiro-Sama's curse.

You just didn't get it. I never said she was and outsider. I only stated to recall the event where Rena "saw" Oyashiro-sama when she was in Ibaraki.

[Level E]

A side note, Umineko means seagull. Is there anything significant to a seagull's cry?

In the story (Umineko naku koro ni), it's a sign of hope - or at least in episode 1.
The characters are on an island. There's a hurricane coming thus all the sea gulls left (actually they're already gone before the story starts). Horror ensues (goto the Umineko thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=53070)). The familiar cry of the sea gulls is a sign of hope that they can leave the island and the police can come.

[Miko Miko]

another question..

When Rena keeps scratching her neck in the last arc Maggots fall out.. Well what has maggots got to do with Hinamizawa syndrome, was she going mad becuase of that.. if so whats up with the maggots? o_O

:heh: sorry if its a stupid question..

[Klashikari]

this TIPS should answer your question. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675178&postcount=125)

[Rayneing]

another question..

When Rena keeps scratching her neck in the last arc Maggots fall out.. Well what has maggots got to do with Hinamizawa syndrome, was she going mad becuase of that.. if so whats up with the maggots? o_O

:heh: sorry if its a stupid question..

Rena was hallucinating because of the Syndrome. The maggots weren't really there. Notice how no one else reacts to them.

The reason why she imagines this is because of what she read in Takano's notebook, which mentions something about maggots and alien parasites controlling everyone.

[Miko Miko]

Rena was hallucinating because of the Syndrome. The maggots weren't really there. Notice how no one else reacts to them.

The reason why she imagines this is because of what she read in Takano's notebook, which mentions something about maggots and alien parasites controlling everyone.

Thankies :3

[sasuke13]

Is it true that Higurashi Kai is gonna be cancelled? I'm getting a bulletin to a petition link saying that they're gonna cancel it. Plz tell me it's not true!!!! O_O

[SeventhHS]

Is it true that Higurashi Kai is gonna be cancelled? I'm getting a bulletin to a petition link saying that they're gonna cancel it. Plz tell me it's not true!!!! O_O

No. Philanthropy Fansubs is dumb.

[k//eternal]

Their translations are a tad sloppy, too. If you know a little Japanese, though, it's not hard to fill in the gaps.

[serenade_beta]

So the reason for the cancel is the axe murder by the girl?

So what exactly happened?

I know she killed him with an axe, but how about afterwards, like the reason for the murder and her punishment?

[Klashikari]

roughly in summary:
-The father was a policeman. It appears he abused her physically, but also was exchanging e mail with another woman. Despite the girl's plea, her sister and mother didn't give crap
-this lead to an isolation and exacerbation, according some experts.
-It has been revealed that she wanted to do justice herself, as she really hated her father, and said "i wanted to give him the guillotine"

there isn't any revelation of the sentence yet. Well, perhaps it has been done with discretion.

[Guido]

There is something that I quite don't get.


When she's about to be brought to the Furude Shrine for dissection Rika says that she'll endure the excruciating experience in order to burn Takano's face and name into her memories, so that those memories will travel with her the next world.

But why she implies in her words that there's the possibility for her to forget about who the real culprit is, Takano?

Even Hannyuu, as she stood by Rika's side, spoke that if Rika forget those memories she won't.

I know that in the previous worlds Rika has quickly given up in most of them and never came close to the truth about the real culprit.

She only knew that at every world:
1. Someone kills her.
2. Depending on the world each of her friends individually faces a deep trouble that makes them go suspicious and paranoid, thus starting the diseases' symptoms: Teppei returning to Hinamizawa which causes Satoko's abuse; Keiichi giving the doll to Rena which provokes that "Mion" goes mad; etc.


Who loves or has a crush on Keiichi?

At the end of Minagoroshi-hen, Keiichi gets shot dead by Takano.

Judging by the way she mourned as Keiichi was agonizing, it looks like that Mion really loves him. However, Rena could not stop herself from shedding tears when she looked back at Keiichi's corpse and had to leave him behind, even though she tried to be strong to cope with Keiichi's loss.

[Sterling01]

It's never really stated but I think the main parings are

MionXKeiichiXRena
TommyXTakano (the only that's really canon)
Shion(Onesided)XSatoshi

[GyroidFanatic]

There is something that I quite don't get.


When she's about to be brought to the Furude Shrine for dissection Rika says that she'll endure the excruciating experience in order to burn Takano's face and name into her memories, so that those memories will travel with her the next world.

But why she implies in her words that there's the possibility for her to forget about who the real culprit is, Takano?

Even Hannyuu, as she stood by Rika's side, spoke that if Rika forget those memories she won't.

I know that in the previous worlds Rika has quickly given up in most of them and never came close to the truth about the real culprit.

She only knew that at every world:
1. Someone kills her.
2. Depending on the world each of her friends individually faces a deep trouble that makes them go suspicious and paranoid, thus starting the diseases' symptoms: Teppei returning to Hinamizawa which causes Satoko's abuse; Keiichi giving the doll to Rena which provokes that "Mion" goes mad; etc.


Rika remembers everything (although you need to take into account the average human's memory span, as well as the fact that most of it is repeated information) except the last X minutes which are very hazy, especially if the death is sudden. By staying awake while Takano kills her, she remembers more, which moves the "Takano = bad guy!" information outside of the X minutes.

[shigure asa]

It's never really stated but I think the main parings are

MionXKeiichiXRena
TommyXTakano
Shion(Onesided)XSatoshi

don't forget ooishiXk1 (yaranaika?? ww)

[Sterling01]

And anime implied RikaXHanyuu

[shigure asa]

And anime implied RikaXHanyuu
that's true!! (insert arguments over the 'almost kiss' here)
is there a chance for (b)akasakaXrika?? if his wife isn't saved??
in that case~~ after fate's all broken they should go to the onsen together~~

[Proto]

@Guido: You might want to specify where that spoiler is from, since it reveals much more plot details that you may intend to :p

[Guido]

@Guido: You might want to specify where that spoiler is from, since it reveals much more plot details that you may intend to :p

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai anime, episode 13.

And what I posted was from what I listened between Rika and Hanyuu's conversation in that episode.

[SeventhHS]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai anime, episode 13.

And what I posted was from what I listened between Rika and Hanyuu's conversation in that episode.

No, I think ProtoMan meant to go back and edit your post to specify it like this:

Rika dies

[Sterling01]

Anyone have any info on this

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4140/mangacn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Rias]

Anyone have any info on this

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4140/mangacn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ryuukishi07's novel work (adapted to manga), Kaidan to Ororou. Set in Shishiboneshi (same as Higurashi), and also has characters like
Tanashi Miyoko, but various settings suggests that they are probably characters with the same name but in different "worlds", kinda like
Miss Lamdadelta

[shigure asa]

Ryuukishi07's novel work (adapted to manga), Kaidan to Ororou. Set in Shishiboneshi (same as Higurashi), and also has characters like
Tanashi Miyoko, but various settings suggests that they are probably characters with the same name but in different "worlds", kinda like
Miss Lamdadelta



then, is it as if that miyo and higurashi's miyo have a relation that's no more & no less than bernkastel and higurashi's rika??

[Sterling01]

I've read the novel and at first thought they were the same people

[kingsky123]

bernkastel and higurashi's rika they arent the same 0_o?????

[serenade_beta]

Was Miyo's original name Miyoko?
She's French? (the flag)
What happened to the other three girls that also tried to escape?
Was she really hit by lightning and what happened after that? I doubt she went back to the orphanage.
Is that man *restrains self to not insult him* still alive and running...?

Does anyone know what Kaidan to Ororou is about?

[Sterling01]

Her real name is Tanashi Miyoko (Does that sound French to you?)

the rest will be answered next week

[SeventhHS]

Her real name is Tanashi Miyoko (Does that sound French to you?)


Maybe on her mother's side!

I saw it as a Mexican flag, though, not a French. >_>

[Rias]

Kaidan no Odoru is basically about these group of 3 guys that had really nothing better to do, so they decided that they would try to steal from a local shrine's Offertory Box. They eventually cracked open the lock, only to find it that it's mostly empty since not many people have been donating. They thought they would've been cursed from the day that they started trying out the combination of the lock of the Offertory Box, but nothing really happened. It was then that they came up with their own curse instead, that being "Ohone-sama no Tatari" (curse of "bone"-sama)

So first they spread it around the school they went to. First they wrote "Hone" on all the blackboards, then they dropped random pieces of bone in people's drawers or their bags and so on. Eventually people were frightened by this new curse and started to blame all sorts of things on it. Also due to people's fears, the donations at the Offertory Box has increased significatiantly, until one day they found an envelop with 50,000 yen in it, with a note that said

Please Curse Tanashi Miyoko.






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As to if Tanashi Miyoko is indeed the same one from Higurashi, I would say not really. It's indeed that their ideals are very alike, and does share some personality traits, but it really doesn't makes sense why the Higurashi one would be going to school at Shishiboneshi at that time, or the lack of mention of her grandfather which plays a critical role in all these.

My take is that they are the same characters, in the sense of a mascot character, but different worlds.

[EndlessDestiny]

I've heard Keiichi referred to by people as K1. Why is that?

[Klashikari]

that's because 1 is pronounced "ichi" in japanese.
if you use "K" with the english prononciation and the japanese 1, you got the good prononciation for Keiichi.

[serenade_beta]

I saw it as a Mexican flag, though, not a French. >_>

Me= Don't know much about foreign stuff... :p

It seems to be Mexico after all...

Yare, yare... Flags these days...

[Kang Seung Jae]

Maybe on her mother's side!

I saw it as a Mexican flag, though, not a French. >_>

It's ITALIAN.

This is Mexican:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Mexico_flag_construction_sheet.png

[Proto]

/me concurs. Don't forget that our flag has a l33t shield. :p

Heck, it would have been understandable if you had confused it with Ireland's since only the red's shading is different... but with Mexico's? What do the younglings learn in their geography classes these days... tsk tsk :p

[Christen]

A minor question. Was the actual time (or their age) stated when Mion and Shion permanently switched?

[Sterling01]

When they were very young and before Akasaka came to the village

[FallenLucifel]

Why exactly is Takano called 34-tan?

[MarthX]

First episode of Kai explains that.

[kagato3]

Why exactly is Takano called 34-tan?

Her name Miyo uses the same kanji as 3 and 4 and as you likely know tan is an honorific used for girls.

[Iknowwhatyou]

Will we not get a ending? D: "he official Japanese websites of the Tōkai TV broadcast station and the Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai murder mystery anime series have announced that Tōkai TV will preempt the early Friday morning airing of this series "due to various circumstances." School Days, which is another late-night, game-based anime series with schoolgirl characters in occasionally violent scenes like Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai, was preempted after the alleged axe murder of a police sergeant by his 16-year-old daughter. Officials have not directly linked either series to the murder case."

[Klashikari]

This is late news. Considering KBS, SUN and Chiba TV, it is very likely we will get the end without any problem.

[kingsky123]

ok, does anyone know the air time of the show now? because i after the incident it changed abit didnt it? and now i dont know when to expect an episode.

[MarthX]

New episodes air on Mondays.

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Okay I have watched up to 15 of the new season and understand alot, but one thing bothers me.


What keeps causing the reset? Why doesn't time just go on after June 1983, with the town just dead? Obviously this is not just a retelling, but they are connected worlds, but what keeps causing the rewind?

I don't mind spoilers, and if someone doesn't want to say anything here, PM me please. Thanks.

[Rias]

Quick answer:

Becuase there's not much to tell when the main cast is dead, is there? From the times they actually told you what happened after, ie. Himatsubushi-hen or Yakusamashi-hen, there isn't really much to tell besides the aftermath. Ooishi/Akasaka still couldn't solve the mystery, have tons of different theories, and still doesn't know what was the cause of the disaster, the truth about the 5 years worth of disappearances/deaths, nor who was the real culprit.


We know from Minagoroshi-hen that one of the most important character in Higurashi is actually Rika. Everytime she dies, she "respawns" in another world, thanks to the power of Hanyuu (one of the limited ability of her as a god). Everytime she respawns, she has less and less time before the festival, and thus less time to try to save herself and her friends or find out who is behind all these.

[Sterling01]

It really isn't a spoiler anymore

[June 1983]

Okay I have watched up to 15 of the new season and understand alot, but one thing bothers me.


What keeps causing the reset? Why doesn't time just go on after June 1983, with the town just dead? Obviously this is not just a retelling, but they are connected worlds, but what keeps causing the rewind?

I don't mind spoilers, and if someone doesn't want to say anything here, PM me please. Thanks.

It's Hanyuu. She doesn't want Rika to die, and Rika doesn't want to die, and so everytime they come to that conclusion Hanyuu pulls them back to try again. Originally she was able to go back years, but now she can only manage a few weeks.

Technically, time does proceed after Rika's death for the other characters, it's just in a parallel universe.

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Why did the reset at the end of episode 26 of season 1? That had a good conclusion?

So technically it is only Rika being reset? The other just keep going in other universes? Wow....confusing.

[Matrim]

So technically it is only Rika being reset?

Er, yes, not counting Hanyuu, of course. Isn't it shown more than clearly in the anime that only Rika remembers past worlds except for some vague pieces of memories recalled by K1, Rena and Shion?

Why did the reset at the end of episode 26 of season 1? That had a good conclusion?

Because Rika was killed a day or two after K1 stopped Rena.

[GyroidFanatic]

Why did the reset at the end of episode 26 of season 1? That had a good conclusion?

So technically it is only Rika being reset? The other just keep going in other universes? Wow....confusing.
It's revealed in the first episode of Kai that the gas disaster happened at the end of that arc.

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

O, that was a few months ago, I had forgotten :D

[Christen]

A question that might clear some questions from me.

Does Mion and Shion both do that "hyuu~" expression? And was it told when exactly they tattooed the demon on Mion's back?

[Sterling01]

It's not exactly told when, but it was done before the clinic was opened and what hyuu~ thing are you talking about?

[Davidj]

Lol, but then they could rest in peace! Maybe that is what happens in the end anyways.

Also, why does this god get to reset? Since she is the local god, why does her reset affect even places outside of the town. Is she like the most powerful, yet weakest(Can't do anything to actually help them when alive)?

I don't think this is the right thread since any answers would be speculation.

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Well, this is Q and A. Since the game is done and many have played, I thought they could have definite answers.

[Klashikari]

Q & A thread is mainly based on facts and other stuff which is based on general content and such, not about plot parts and all. instead, read the episode threads and such before, as this answer (why of the loo) was already answered several times in the series itself.

if you have a specific question, either use the general discussion or preferably, asks it on the thread of the said episode where the question refers to (if no episode is related to it, it will be probably answered in the future).

[CrisisDarkerXIV]

This isn't really about the series directly, but it does affect it.

I read about episode 12 (I think) being canceled, because there was a murder in Kyoto by a Killer Loli.
Does anyone have any additional information, or a link perhaps?

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Yes, that happened. Also cancelled the last episode of School Days. Though both were played a week later. I don't have an article right on me, but someone may come up with it.

[Kristen]

So, in episode 17, Rika's parents both die. Is that another piece that will be revealed later? If not, what caused their deaths?

[Sterling01]

Takano had them killed

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

^^ I was about to say, what about at the end of 15? All the friends souls were there.

[Kristen]

Takano had them killed

I know, I mean, how? It just seemed that the priest had a heart attack and the woman just jumped off the cliff...

[Klashikari]

Same "method" for Satoko in Yakusamashi-hen.
As for Miss Furude, no. The police was never able to retrieve her corpse, and the "suicide" note claimed she ended her life by drowning herself in the marsh.
Considering the marsh (depth etc), it is not too "abnormal" for the police to not be able to find the corpse.

we should really avoid using this thread for this kind of question, IMHO..."

[The Bloodlust Kid]

I know, I mean, how? It just seemed that the priest had a heart attack and the woman just jumped off the cliff...

Takano found the Death Note lying around, wrote Furude's name in it and the rest was JUST AS PLANNED.

In all seriousness, I thought Takano poisoned him. But looking back it doesn't seem possible.

[Christen]

There's a small detail that wasn't laid out regarding the priest's poisoning.

When the priest was poisoned, he was brought to Irie clinic. Go figure.

[Kristen]

Takano found the Death Note lying around, wrote Furude's name in it and the rest was JUST AS PLANNED.

In all seriousness, I thought Takano poisoned him. But looking back it doesn't seem possible.

Ah, so it was poison. Must be some sort of undetectable poison then... Hm.

[k//eternal]

Do Rika's parents have (known) names, and what are they if so?

[SeventhHS]

Do Rika's parents have (known) names, and what are they if so?

None are given on the Japanese Higurashi wiki, so it's highly unlikely.

[Aortic]

I understand why it did but will the final arcs reveal why the Great Hinamizawa Disaster did not occur in certain previous arcs?

Or is it explained somewhere in the tips/putting the pieces together?


(Also glad to be back watching Higurashi Kai again! Minagoroshi has been some of the most epic anime I've ever seen. I think it's set a new record for number of times the hair on my arms and the back of my neck have stood up...)

[Klashikari]

You can make your own answer with matsuribayashi-hen.
Basically, there are some circumstances which prevent the disaster to happen, and that's why nothing happened in Meakashi and Watanagashi-hen

[Khaos]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is anywhere said, how old Keiichi, Rika, Satoko, Moin/Shion and Rena are? Or is everything open to speculation?

[SeventhHS]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is anywhere said, how old Keiichi, Rika, Satoko, Moin/Shion and Rena are? Or is everything open to speculation?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=856958&postcount=511

[vasili10]

What's up minna-san? My first post here since certain topics have just flat-out pulled me in. :heh:

Even with all the anime episodes released thus far, Onikakushi Hen's still have a firm grip on me, mainly because I'm itching to know what happened outside the various hallucinations:

1. I've read people's interpretations on how Rena's encounter with Keichi went in episode 4, how instead, after kissing him she madly laughs, she probably cries or something to that effect. Anyone notice, at approximately a frame between their kiss and her laugh, that she looks like she'll let out a huge sob?:upset: Do you suppose that's evidence enough for that assumption?

2. kj1980 stated in the Q's Answered thread about Rena's baseball bat incident in her previous school in Ibaraki, how it occurred because it was implied and apparently assumed that the three guys she attacked first tried to take advantage of her. Mind if I ask, what's the source for that implication? Is it the games? The manga? Statement by Ryukishi07? Just curious. Domo arigatou.:D

[Roll]

Talking about Onikakushi-hen, I have a doubt... Was all that about Rena and Mion a delusion from Keiichi? They were going to inject him for his well or bad being? What was Irie and the Yamainu doing at Keiichi's house?... Really, this arc is the only one that I didn't understand...

[The Bloodlust Kid]

Talking about Onikakushi-hen, I have a doubt... Was all that about Rena and Mion a delusion from Keiichi? They were going to inject him for his well or bad being? What was Irie and the Yamainu doing at Keiichi's house?... Really, this arc is the only one that I didn't understand...

The needle was actually a marker and Irie was going to see if he hasn't reached L5)

[Aortic]

1) They weren't going to inject him, if you remember during the flashback it was revealed the "syringe" was actually a pen (Mion was gonna doodle on him, a-la penalty game style) just as he'd hallucinated the hot-sauce was a needle.

2) Irie and the Yaimanu being there makes perfect sense if you think about it. Mion called the doctor, told him K1 was flipping out. He put two and two together to make L5 and came in guns blazing.


Though how K1 went from his encounter with the Yaimanu in the woods to waking up in his home with his classmates, rather than at the clinic, is a mystery to me?

[Rias]

2. kj1980 stated in the Q's Answered thread about Rena's baseball bat incident in her previous school in Ibaraki, how it occurred because it was implied and apparently assumed that the three guys she attacked first tried to take advantage of her. Mind if I ask, what's the source for that implication? Is it the games? The manga? Statement by Ryukishi07? Just curious. Domo arigatou.:D


There is no solid answer as to why she beat up her friends in Ibaraki.

The assumption above is based off the fact that Rena's "friends" didn't want to talk about the incident afterwards. That is, maybe they did do something "wrong" to incite the incident, thus they are also at "fault".

Personally, I think the following might have happened:

It's safe to assume that Rena was at a high level of Himamizawa Syndrome, due to the fact that she left the village, and was mentally unstable due to her mother trying to get remarried. She first broke some windows in school, then beat up her male friends, and eventually was sent to a mental hospital. Problem is, why would she beat up her friends?

Let's consider what happened in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, in Hinamizawa. We know that Rena was getting all paraoid because of the missing dead body, Takano's scrapbooks, and so on. Her only "ally" at that time, was Keiichi. Keiichi, being her friend, tried to stop her rampage; that is stopping her from trying to blow up the school with all the hostages in it. If we apply the same logic, it's not unusual for her male friends in Ibaraki to try to do the same thing. Of course, in Rena's view, anyone who's not helping her is merely in her way, and has to be eliminated. Therefore, she beat up her friends who tried to stop her.

Same logic applies when in Onikakushi-hen, when Keiichi was paranoid and Rena tried various things to stop him. Of course, in his view, Rena was the one who's acting "strange" and seems to be spying on him.


Though how K1 went from his encounter with the Yaimanu in the woods to waking up in his home with his classmates, rather than at the clinic, is a mystery to me?

First there's always the possibility that those two guys weren't Yamainu at all. Perhaps they are just some villagers. Considering the state that Keiichi is in, we don't know for sure if he really saw those guys in the suits, or just thought those guys showed up becuase of the white wagon incident. So, maybe he got stopped by two random villagers, and they sent him home, then Rena called Mion and Irie.

Now, if it were really Yamainu, it really doesn't matter if Keiichi is getting sent to the clinic or his own house. Reason being that Takano and Tomitake are already dead, so certain plans are in motion. Perhaps Rena catched up to them when Yaminu knocked Keiichi out, so it would only be more natural to send him home and call Irie to go check him out, just for show.

[Khaos]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=856958&postcount=511

Thank you :)

[vasili10]

There is no solid answer as to why she beat up her friends in Ibaraki.

The assumption above is based off the fact that Rena's "friends" didn't want to talk about the incident afterwards. That is, maybe they did do something "wrong" to incite the incident, thus they are also at "fault".

Personally, I think the following might have happened:

It's safe to assume that Rena was at a high level of Himamizawa Syndrome, due to the fact that she left the village, and was mentally unstable due to her mother trying to get remarried. She first broke some windows in school, then beat up her male friends, and eventually was sent to a mental hospital. Problem is, why would she beat up her friends?

Let's consider what happened in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, in Hinamizawa. We know that Rena was getting all paraoid because of the missing dead body, Takano's scrapbooks, and so on. Her only "ally" at that time, was Keiichi. Keiichi, being her friend, tried to stop her rampage; that is stopping her from trying to blow up the school with all the hostages in it. If we apply the same logic, it's not unusual for her male friends in Ibaraki to try to do the same thing. Of course, in Rena's view, anyone who's not helping her is merely in her way, and has to be eliminated. Therefore, she beat up her friends who tried to stop her.

Same logic applies when in Onikakushi-hen, when Keiichi was paranoid and Rena tried various things to stop him. Of course, in his view, Rena was the one who's acting "strange" and seems to be spying on him.



Ah, interesting. So your view assumes that Ooishi's assumption of the guys being her friends was actually true; while kj1980's assessment assumed that Ooishi did guess on her friendly relationship with the guys, and turned out to be wrong.

So basically we don't know for sure, since after Ooishi agrees to tell Keichi more about Rena, he tells Keichi besides not to mention it to anyone else, that Ooishi's putting some of his own assumptions into the mix as well. And at least from the anime, she smashed the school windows (fact), the guys were injured but didn't press charges or talk afterwards (also fact), so Ooishi's assumption I'd conclude would be about the relationship. Did the anime leave out any pieces of Ooishi's disclosure to Keichi about Rena's past, or is that pretty much it?

Sugoi. Thanks Rias.:D

[Roll]

Wow! Thank you all! Now Onikakushi-hen seems clearer! ^^

[GyroidFanatic]

I understand why it did but will the final arcs reveal why the Great Hinamizawa Disaster did not occur in certain previous arcs?

Or is it explained somewhere in the tips/putting the pieces together?


Based on the anime so far, it's possible to figure out the key difference, but not what specific connection it has.
Onikakushi-hen - we're supposed to assume it did happen
Watanagashi-hen - it didn't happen
Tatarigoroshi-hen - it did happen
Himatsubushi-hen - it did happen
Meakashi-hen - it didn't happen
Tsumihoroboshi-hen - it did happen
Minagoroshi-hen - it did happen

What's special about those two arcs that relates to the disaster?
Rika's death. In Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen, she was killed by Shion and thrown in the pit before Takano could get to her.

[game2007]

Sorry if this is common sense question or has been asked before, but I just can't resist wanting to know the truth. About the anime, do people die but then reappear alive in the next episode again and again just like that? Sort of remind me of South Park...

Yeah, I'm not too familiar with this series and is just getting into it, so I have lots of questions about it. I did watch a few episodes, and it makes me say to myself, "Hey! I thought <whoever> died already! How is he/she alive again?!"

[Rayneing]

At the end of each story arc, the story kind of resets itself to a time before everyone died. Think of them as alternate universes - different possibilities that could've happened. No one is coming back to life - its just a different world where they haven't died yet.

[game2007]

Well, pretty much to same as what I think. They still come back to life, but not through magic or anything, just the story went back in time to alter things.

Has anyone ever kept track of who died how many times so far?

[Klashikari]

Well, pretty much to same as what I think. They still come back to life, but not through magic or anything, just the story went back in time to alter things.
No, it is completely different. Please, check the differences between the arcs. Obviously, many events didn't happen, because of some random factors etc. The arcs can be considered as "different dimensions" instead of rewinding.

Has anyone ever kept track of who died how many times so far?
I don't think so, since it is quite irrelevant. The anime and the game implied that the arcs we saw are some handful samples of what really happened. Therefore, thinking of some "number of time someone died" is completely impossible to figure, and it is obviously not possible to think they are brought back to life, see the earlier point.

[game2007]

I understand what you said. The anime follows the 'paths' you can take in the game and the endings that go with it. Thus when one episode takes the bad ending, the next episode would go back some time and take 'another path' that would not lead to the bad ending but another one, right?

I just mean that for people who don't know about the series and just watch everything with no knowledge of the game first would naturally think that characters keep on coming to life with no explanation.

[Rayneing]

Actually the game was never split into paths - it didn't have choices at all. It was a series of visual novels, and each seperate one was a different story arc - so people who read through them first would've been just as confused as you are.

You couldn't even really call them games, considering there was literally 0 player interaction.

[kj1980]

I understand what you said. The anime follows the 'paths' you can take in the game and the endings that go with it. Thus when one episode takes the bad ending, the next episode would go back some time and take 'another path' that would not lead to the bad ending but another one, right?

No because there are no "paths" since there is no selection points like a normal run-of-the-mill type of game.

Simply (and I mean VERY SIMPLY) put:

This is Higurashi:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/kj1980/Higurashi-outline.jpg

[Sterling01]

There should be a Result C

[Proto]

Well... indeed but it hasn't happened yet, so let's not confuse the others :heh:

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

I understand the events and what leads to them. What I want to know and still struggle with is how character from A is connected to B. I know thw kami pulls Rika into new 'worlds'(Deminsions). Why do other characters sometimes remember things if only Rika is being sent to new worlds?

[Davidj]

I understand the events and what leads to them. What I want to know and still struggle with is how character from A is connected to B. I know thw kami pulls Rika into new 'worlds'(Deminsions). Why do other characters sometimes remember things if only Rika is being sent to new worlds?

Something approaching an answer is given in the original story. Akasaka, regretting his failure to do something for Rika in one of the failed worlds prays and this opens the line of communication between him and his counterpart in the victorious world. We see the same thing with Shion, where, just before she dies she regrets everything she does and sends that regret on to the Shions of later world, sparking them to choose to become Satoko's self-appointed bodyguard and dietician.

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Okay, so the memories are transferred on to the people in other worlds? that makes since.

[Roll]

Not the memories... Is more like warnings... If the memories were passed, then all the problems would have been resolved easier than in any of the arcs...

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Well couldn't it be considered locked memories? They can't actually see them, but they change the course? I mean what about when he saw himself beating Shion and Rena(first Season). Couldn't that be considered a locked memory that was shortly opened?

[Roll]

Well couldn't it be considered locked memories? They can't actually see them, but they change the course? I mean what about when he saw himself beating Shion and Rena(first Season). Couldn't that be considered a locked memory that was shortly opened?

Yeah, you could be right about that...

[game2007]

Never mind, I got an answer already.

[ApostleOfGod]

How do you people watch Higurashi.. Damn.. I got scared the crap out of after watching the first chapter of the 1st season... How do you not get scared when you see an innocent little girl who gets massive wrinkles and carries around a machete or cleaver or whatever deadly weapon it may be, and has her eyes shaded everytime she says something peculiar.... Man, I got scared by reading what happens in the game chapters on Wikipedia... I couldn't sleep properly that night. -_- It was sad...

[TigerII]

....I have never been scared of any shows. I have watched through so many 'horror' films that nothing gets me these days.

[Miko Miko]

How do you people watch Higurashi.. Damn.. I got scared the crap out of after watching the first chapter of the 1st season... How do you not get scared when you see an innocent little girl who gets massive wrinkles and carries around a machete or cleaver or whatever deadly weapon it may be, and has her eyes shaded every time she says something peculiar.... Man, I got scared by reading what happens in the game chapters on Wikipedia... I couldn't sleep properly that night. -_- It was sad...

wow, Higurashi has never scared me before.. :)

[kingsky123]

How do you people watch Higurashi.. Damn.. I got scared the crap out of after watching the first chapter of the 1st season... How do you not get scared when you see an innocent little girl who gets massive wrinkles and carries around a machete or cleaver or whatever deadly weapon it may be, and has her eyes shaded everytime she says something peculiar.... Man, I got scared by reading what happens in the game chapters on Wikipedia... I couldn't sleep properly that night. -_- It was sad...

yea, first it is eerie, then it becomes epic and you will cheer for them :heh:

also the story is pretty deep, i liked some of the parts i read from the TIPs and PIECES ( thanks translators you guys rock)

[k//eternal]

Higurashi is only scary when you're watching the early eps at 4 AM (like I did).

It's a pretty awesome experience, though.

[Hareoic]

I've been watching the anime version of Higurashi for a while now and have seen all the episodes of the first season as well as all of Kai that has already been fansubbed, and there's still one thing I don't understand:

What REALLY happened during the Onikakushi-hen arc of the story? What was real, what was imagined?
Was there ever a hit-and-run on Keichi?
Were the words uttered by Rena and Mion during their "scary moments" real, or was their limited omniscience just part of Keichi's paranoi?
Was the needle in the ohagi real?
Were the changes in their tones when they became scary real or was that also in his imagination? (I imagine the thing with their eyes wasn't real)
What about Rena standing out in the rain apologizing after trying to remove the lock?
And their psycotic laughter, did that ever happen or did it not happen?

As I've said before, I've seen the entire series that's been subbed thus far, so spoilers probably won't be much of an issue for me. I'm just not entirely sure what happened during the first story arc, so somebody please inform me.

[Klashikari]

With what we got with Tsumihoroboshi-hen



All the "scary" moments are completely false/distorded. All of them are delusions due the syndrome.
No, It was no a hit and run.
No, Rena and Mion knew what Keiichi did. For the first part (when Rena knew Keiichi talked to a "old man" in a car), it is probably another kid who told her, or maybe she saw them by herself. As for the lunch at the angel mort, it is strongly implied that Shion saw them (as it is quite heated) and she probably told that to Mion.
No, that wasn't real, and Kai episode 6 answers it: Mion would never do that. In fact, it was just a spicy sauce (more likely tabasco), and due the paranoia and syndrome, the spicy taste was "mistaken" by his brain as "sharp pain". If we add the color of the sauce, he might mistake it as blood, and go flipped over, as "it looks" like there is a needle
Change of tones were his imagination. The only exceptions are when Rena and Mion deny the fact something happened in Hinamizawa before.
This "rain" one is rather hard. it is either really Rena, apologizing, as she might think she angered Keiichi. Or, it is Hanyuu.
none of the psychotic laughter were real. Even the one in the final scene was rather some amused/teasing laughter before the batsu game with the markers

[Hareoic]

That clarifies everything, thanks.

[Sterling01]

When did Keiichi actually start showing symptoms in Onikakushi-hen because in the game he hears someone saying "I'm sorry" on the train ride back to Hinamizawa was that Hanyuu?

[Klashikari]

When did Keiichi actually start showing symptoms in Onikakushi-hen because in the game he hears someone saying "I'm sorry" on the train ride back to Hinamizawa was that Hanyuu?

It is hard to figure out.
The i'm sorry, i'm sorry is indeed Hanyuu, as Keiichi had a outburst when he was off for the funerals.

You can tell that the symptoms don't require a very much high level for this.
As far as I can remember, keiichi begun to get symptoms seriously after Rena and Mion denial, despite Tomitake's gossip and the newspaper/magazines.
The "i'm sorry" in the train is probably because he was under a stress atmosphere, due the funerals

[Sterling01]

I really wonder why that scene was left out of both the anime and the manga....

Can't remember if it was in the Drama CD

[Klashikari]

I really wonder why that scene was left out of both the anime and the manga....


No, as far as i can remember, the scene was never shown in the game either.
The "i'm sorry" was, both in the game and manga.
But it is explained in Matsuribayashi-hen, as Frederica explained about that (or hanyuu? I should check back once in a while)

[Sterling01]

The train scene I'm talking about is right in the beginning of the game.

[Klashikari]

The train scene I'm talking about is right in the beginning of the game.
Yep, that's what i also said, and it is in the manga as well.

I thought you were asking for the "outburst" scene, which is never shown before.

[Rias]

I think there's 2 possible person for the train scene.

One is of course, Hanyuu. If it's Hanyuu, then perhaps she's apolgizing for the fact that Keiichi's level went up after he left Hinamizawa for the funeral (it's a low chance for the level to rise due to that after all). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I rememeber that the real reason Keiichi went away was actually to see the school girls that he shot...that probably raised his stress level and pushed the syndrome level up?

Another possible person is Rena, from loop memory. I think Keiichi ended the "dream" sequence by saying something like, "if the person is apolgizing so much, you can just forgive them...", which probably forshadowed the revealation in Tsumihoroboshi-hen that, Keiichi kept swinging his bet despite Rena was offering help, that he thinks she is "unforgivable" at that point.

[Roll]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I rememeber that the real reason Keiichi went away was actually to see the school girls that he shot...that probably raised his stress level and pushed the syndrome level up?

I think I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that the funeral Keiichi went, was from a friend of his dad.

[kagato3]

There is a posablity that Keiichi is able to feel Hanyuu presence easier then others. His father did see her playing with Rika which help him settle on moveing to the town and she seems to have a hard time getting others to see her most of the time. It may explain why he seems to remember the most of the past arcs as well

[Eryops]

There is a posablity that Keiichi is able to feel Hanyuu presence easier then others. His father did see her playing with Rika which help him settle on moveing to the town and she seems to have a hard time getting others to see her most of the time. It may explain why he seems to remember the most of the past arcs as well
That seems pretty unlikely to me. During Hanyuu's meeting with Ichirou she had assumed a corporeal form, so that doesn't indicate any particular sensitivity in him. Also he doesn't remember most past arcs; he remembered the events of one past world in Tsumihoroboshi-hen and in the following worlds no longer has any conscious memories from that, just like the rest of the characters.

[Roll]

That seems pretty unlikely to me. During Hanyuu's meeting with Ichirou she had assumed a corporeal form, so that doesn't indicate any particular sensitivity in him. Also he doesn't remember most past arcs; he remembered the events of one past world in Tsumihoroboshi-hen and in the following worlds no longer has any conscious memories from that, just like the rest of the characters.

Oh, but what about in Minagoroshi-hen? He was able to remember the scene of the ohagis and the needles! And in the OVA, Nekogoroshi-hen he was able to remember when he beat Rena and Mion up!

[Rayneing]

Lots of people remembered stuff in Minagoroshi-hen, he wasn't the only one. And he never remebered anything in Nekogoroshi-hen either.

[Christen]

Nekogoroshi-hen's flashbacks weren't anyone's flashbacks for that matter.

[elevenof8]

Why does Hanyu's left horn have a chip in it? I haven't seen a reason throughout the tips topics or in the anime yet. I think someone asked about it in one of the episode threads, but I can't find the specific one.

[Sterling01]

It has to do with her daughter Ouka and the first Watanagashi Festival. Anything else would be a spoiler

[SeventhHS]

It has to do with her daughter Ouka and the first Watanagashi Festival. Anything else would be a spoiler

Then put it in a spoiler tag?

[Sterling01]

Then put it in a spoiler tag?
I rather realese the manga chapter first

[SeventhHS]

I rather realese the manga chapter first

Interesting, which manga chapter is Hanyuu's past mentioned in?

[Klashikari]

形映し編 - Katautsushi-hen

[CrisisDarkerXIV]

I read somewhere that there is something strange with the dates; to be more specific the calendar. It's a series-long thing if I read correctly.
Can someone please reply what the secret or strange thing is? I really appreciate it.

[Roll]

I rather realese the manga chapter first

At least are you going to release it soon?

[Kristen]

In the OP of Higurashi season 1, there is that clip showing Shion and Mion asleep and naked. What is on Mion's back? Is that a birthmark, a scar, a fungus, or what?

[Sterling01]

In the OP of Higurashi season 1, there is that clip showing Shion and Mion asleep and naked. What is on Mion's back? Is that a birthmark, a scar, a fungus, or what?
It's the tattoo of the oni that every Sonozaki head has

[-PoLLuX-]

I am sorry if this was answered, but at the end of episode four, where Mion/ Shion come from under the bed and nail Keiichi's finger, was that Mion who climbed back up the hole or Shions ghost? The clothes she was wearing seemed to be what Mion was wearing when she fell down the hole... But it also looked like the clothes of a dead persons spirit..:eyespin:

[Klashikari]

^
As demonstrated in Meakashi-hen, it is impossible for either Shion or Mion to be there.
Consequently, it is simply a delusion, especially that Meakashi-hen ending scroll reveals that keiichi died from an acute heart failure.

[Eryops]

^
As demonstrated in Meakashi-hen, it is impossible for either Shion or Mion to be there.
Consequently, it is simply a delusion, especially that Meakashi-hen ending scroll reveals that keiichi died from an acute heart failure.
My guess us that Keiichi succumbed to Hinamizawa syndrome. He had been under a lot of stress over the past few days and advanced stages of the syndrome do feature hallucinations related to the subject's paranoia. Ooishi had just told him that people who should be dead were seen alive, so it makes sense that his hallucination was connected to that.

[Sterling01]

Also you can clearly tell in the watanagashi drama cd that after Keiichi got stabbed by "Mion" his mind was broken

[Davidj]

I am sorry if this was answered, but at the end of episode four, where Mion/ Shion come from under the bed and nail Keiichi's finger, was that Mion who climbed back up the hole or Shions ghost? The clothes she was wearing seemed to be what Mion was wearing when she fell down the hole... But it also looked like the clothes of a dead persons spirit..:eyespin:

That's Oishi's fault. His system weakened by the near lethal attack, Keichi was particularly vulnerable. When Oishi told him about the discrepancy in death times, suggesting "humorously" that he'd been attacked by the walking dead, that added to the psychological and physical trauma he'd already experienced and his infection by the syndrome was enough to create a hallucination that frightened him to death.

[kj1980]

I am sorry if this was answered, but at the end of episode four, where Mion/ Shion come from under the bed and nail Keiichi's finger, was that Mion who climbed back up the hole or Shions ghost? The clothes she was wearing seemed to be what Mion was wearing when she fell down the hole... But it also looked like the clothes of a dead persons spirit..:eyespin:

There's a reason why we posted TIPS as the episodes progressed to answer questions like these. Feel free to utilize them. The answer to your question is here: TIP #113 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=656522&postcount=113)

[-PoLLuX-]

Thanks, but another question, I have a link which shows a few screen shots of the Higurashi Movie with all the actors, but then I see some p0rn screen shots. Is it really true that The Higurashi Movie is going to have all of that in it? Also, am I allowed to post the link in this thread? Since it may be inappropriate for some people.

[Eryops]

Thanks, but another question, I have a link which shows a few screen shots of the Higurashi Movie with all the actors, but then I see some p0rn screen shots. Is it really true that The Higurashi Movie is going to have all of that in it? Also, am I allowed to post the link in this thread? Since it may be inappropriate for some people.
I think you are confusing 'Higurashi ga naku koro ni', which is a cosplay porn flick (here's a worksafe sample (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQNcwJd3Ts) for those curious), with the actual Higurashi movie. The two have nothing to do with one another and 07th Expansion played no part in that video's creation.

[-PoLLuX-]

I think you are confusing 'Higurashi ga naku koro ni', which is a cosplay porn flick (here's a worksafe sample (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQNcwJd3Ts) for those curious), with the actual Higurashi movie. The two have nothing to do with one another and 07th Expansion played no part in that video's creation.

Ok, thank you I understand now.

[Featherine B.]

I'm starting to get really confused about Frederica Bernkastel. I know nobody is quite sure of her real identity, and that there seems to be more than one (?), but could somebody make me a list of the different theories about her that are floating around here ? Also, why is she called Bernkastel ? I know the reason for the name Frederica, but "Berkastel" ?...

According to some,
She is the one we see at the end of the last episode of Kai, the one Miyoko bumped into. But how come ?!

I don't care if it involves any big spoilers, I just want to know a little bit about who or what she is supposed to be.

[Eryops]

I know the reason for the name Frederica, but "Berkastel" ?...
She's probably named after Bernkastel-Kues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernkastel-Kues), a German city that's very famous for its wines. And you know what Rika likes to drink.

According to some,
She is the one we see at the end of the last episode of Kai, the one Miyoko bumped into. But how come ?!
This post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1303583&postcount=59) should help you understand the connection.
Bernkastel pretty much treats all the human worlds like a game of The Sims. She likes changing things just to see what happens.

[Featherine B.]

She's probably named after Bernkastel-Kues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernkastel-Kues), a German city that's very famous for its wines. And you know what Rika likes to drink.

Oh... That makes sense :heh:

This post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1303583&postcount=59) should help you understand the connection.
Bernkastel pretty much treats all the human worlds like a game of The Sims. She likes changing things just to see what happens.

I think I get it. So,
She just wanted to see what will happen in the future if Miyoko's parents don't die (what's strange though is that even though they all went on the bus, and that the bus driver still had a heart attack, they seemed to survive) ? That's a pretty interesting concept. There are millions of possibilities...

Lastly,
What is the actual connection between Rika and Bernkastel ?

[Eryops]

I think I get it. So,
She just wanted to see what will happen in the future if Miyoko's parents don't die (what's strange though is that even though they all went on the bus, and that the bus driver still had a heart attack, they seemed to survive) ? That's a pretty interesting concept. There are millions of possibilities...
She says Miyoko could be said to have received her miracle in advance, so my guess is that she had a hand in that happening.


Lastly,
What is the actual connection between Rika and Bernkastel ?
That's the million dollar question. :)

I'd suggest having a look at the recent posts in the Higurashi Discussion thread from here onwards (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1303857#post1303857), as that's what's currently discussed there.

[Featherine B.]

That's the million dollar question. :)

I'd suggest having a look at the recent posts in the Higurashi Discussion thread from here onwards (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1303857#post1303857), as that's what's currently discussed there.

As you suggested, I took a look at the discussion, and... It really is insane :twitch:. I would never think of Higurashi the way I used to if it were true...

Just a game between two witches... Everything that we saw up until now was just part of a game... That's scary, if we come to think of it. It doesn't explain the role of Hanyuu in this "game", but overall, it makes sense.
Thanks for answering my questions :).

[unasuvas]

There's this one little question that's been bugging me for a while. Sorry if it's already been answered but...

I thought I knew all the characters in this series and then the silver-haired lady appears to Takano in episode 17 of Kai and appears in a few more episodes afterwards. I've heard her name as Takagi and Nomura. But still, just who is this lady?

[kingsky123]

There's this one little question that's been bugging me for a while. Sorry if it's already been answered but...

I thought I knew all the characters in this series and then the silver-haired lady appears to Takano in episode 17 of Kai and appears in a few more episodes afterwards. I've heard her name as Takagi and Nomura. But still, just who is this lady?

just some government faction person that wants to use the research as leverage

[kj1980]

There's this one little question that's been bugging me for a while. Sorry if it's already been answered but...

I thought I knew all the characters in this series and then the silver-haired lady appears to Takano in episode 17 of Kai and appears in a few more episodes afterwards. I've heard her name as Takagi and Nomura. But still, just who is this lady?

It's Gin-sama in her human form!!

We don't know who this person is or even if those are her real names. But considering that she holds enough importance to be driven around in a limo with a car-phone in 1983 and has the power alter the reports to the PM of Japan, you can say she is someone who wields a lot of political connections...

[Jimmy C]

It doesn't seem to be mentioned in the TIPS, but after finishing Kai I wonder

After all, she was in the same predicament as she was in Matsuribayashi-hen. Only Rika had really been dead for over 2 days in those scenarios.
Even after faking her death, was she "disposed of" after her plan fell apart thanks to Shion?

[Makahari2000]

If this is answered in episode 24 of kai disregard it (for it hasn't been subbed so I havent seen it) but :

Is Hanyuu's past revealed more in the sound novel? If so could anyone fill me in? Like, I know she's a god..but how did this occur?

[Sterling01]

The Onigari-no-Ryuou (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=766743&postcount=148) and Hanyu's reflection on her past? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=766752&postcount=149)

[Makahari2000]

Thanks very much for that. From what I gather :
Hanyuu was a demon or demon-resembling being, and her sacrifice turned her into a deity, to watch over hinamizawa/her bloodline? And this is why she helps Rika? Or am I wrong and bad at gathering things?

[unasuvas]

Thanks for the answer to my last question.
Wow, I thought that Nomura woman was more important than just a government person that happened to look a lot like Suigintou from Rozen Maiden. :heh:

But anyways, I have new question and it has to do with Hanyuu's past &the fact that I'm gonna be coloring the Katautsushi-hen manga chapter which focuses on her past.
Does anyone know what is Ouka's hair & eye color? I think that since she's part of the Furude family, she has blue-ish, purple-ish hair like Rika and Rika's mother... but I can also imagine Ouka with numerous other hair colors. So is there an 'official' coloring for Ouka or do I have to make my own decision when it comes to coloring her?

[theacefrehley]

Thanks for the answer to my last question.
Wow, I thought that Nomura woman was more important than just a government person that happened to look a lot like Suigintou from Rozen Maiden. :heh:

But anyways, I have new question and it has to do with Hanyuu's past &the fact that I'm gonna be coloring the Katautsushi-hen manga chapter which focuses on her past.
Does anyone know what is Ouka's hair & eye color? I think that since she's part of the Furude family, she has blue-ish, purple-ish hair like Rika and Rika's mother... but I can also imagine Ouka with numerous other hair colors. So is there an 'official' coloring for Ouka or do I have to make my own decision when it comes to coloring her?

She's hanyuu's daughter, so, maybe the same color as hanyus's?

[rimaa]

hey i had a quick question...when was it revealed that satoko is colorblind?

[Sterling01]

The first chapter of the first game

[tripperazn]

Why does Mion refer to herself as oji-san? She's only about half a year older than Keiichi and is female...

[Davidj]

Why does Mion refer to herself as oji-san? She's only about half a year older than Keiichi and is female...

Until Keiichi showed up there was a big gap between her and the next oldest student at the school and she didn't want to call herself "grandma".

[shadowdragon167]

After playing the prologue of Minagoroshi-hen, I have a question about the first chapter...
Rika says that the 3 people killed in "Onikakushi" were Keiichi, Rena, and... Shion. Does this mean that "Mion" actually Shion the whole time? For what reason would they switch...? And how did Rika know that it was Shion anyway?

[Klashikari]

No, actually it was a typo of the translators (unfortunately, their site is.. well, kaput). It is indeed Mion, not Shion.

[MuMyung]

I’ve watched the first season 26 episodes and I’m still a bit confused.

1) What was the reason for the random deaths and disappearances during the Watanagashi festival? Meaning, why did they occur and how were the specific candidates chosen for every year? I’ve been sort’ve hinted they were in part to suffice Rule Z, which confuses me.

2) Referring to question one: Was it the same person every year committing these crimes?

3) There’s a recurring theme that if you run away from the village, there will be consequences from the Oyashiro-sama. Can anyone explain to me? Seems a little awkward because the Oyashiro-sama isn’t exactly what they are picturing, yet many different characters have felt the effects after running away.

4) The violation of entering the shed seems to be mentioned many times. Does it have any bearing on what’s actually happening or is it a scapegoat to execute some plans? I mean, Shion mentioned it many times, saying she was sorry but she will end up facing consequences anyway and Satoko mentions that she entered the shed through the roof which she later felt her life change after that. Was it all superstition?

[Sterling01]

I’ve watched the first season 26 episodes and I’m still a bit confused.

1) What was the reason for the random deaths and disappearances during the Watanagashi festival? Meaning, why did they occur and how were the specific candidates chosen for every year? I’ve been sort’ve hinted they were in part to suffice Rule Z, which confuses me.

2) Referring to question one: Was it the same person every year committing these crimes?

3) There’s a recurring theme that if you run away from the village, there will be consequences from the Oyashiro-sama. Can anyone explain to me? Seems a little awkward because the Oyashiro-sama isn’t exactly what they are picturing, yet many different characters have felt the effects after running away.

4) The violation of entering the shed seems to be mentioned many times. Does it have any bearing on what’s actually happening or is it a scapegoat to execute some plans? I mean, Shion mentioned it many times, saying she was sorry but she will end up facing consequences anyway and Satoko mentions that she entered the shed through the roof which she later felt her life change after that. Was it all superstition?
Watch the Second Season and everything will become clear

[MuMyung]

Watch the Second Season and everything will become clear

Oh, I was afraid of that. Though I was practically waiting for the last few episodes just to get these questions out of my head and they were never answered. :(

[Sterling01]

Though if really want the answer....

Everything was Takano's fault

[MuMyung]

Watch the Second Season and everything will become clear

Though if really want the answer....

Everything was Takano's fault

I figured that much, just the details have me confused. I guess I'll go through season 2 to see if it answers everything. ^^

[Makahari2000]

Well, This has been on my mind for a bit. I stumbled a cross an image of Rika killed from the third arc of the anime version, and I forgot that she was nude.

How is she nude? The culprit stripped her? It doesn't show this when it shows us she is killed in minagoroshi

Was she nude in the game..or perhaps this is anime inconsistency?

[Klashikari]

Huh? She is stripped each time she has been killed by "this person".
In minagoroshi included, but for obvious reasons, they cannot show her bare body like this (they showed her legs and slightly her shoulder and upper part of her torso).

[Makahari2000]

Ah, thanks. Why is she stripped though?

[Klashikari]

This is because "that person" wants to perform the ritual of the watanagashi to its fullest extent: killing Rika isn't enough, so each detail counts. and so gutting her alive and naked with a sharp item, spreading the inners, etc.

[shadowdragon167]

Ok, just one more thing I don't understand...
First, why did the Yamainu try to run over Keiichi in Demoning Away? And failing that, knock him out? How did he end up at his house? Is this all a big delusion or a dream? That part doesn't seem to make much sense at all.

But in the Atonement chapter, Okonogi asks Keiichi whether or not he saw Rena. This part is certainly real. Why would the Yamainu be watching her? Or for that matter, any of them? They were even stalking Satoko in Disaster Awakening.

[Klashikari]

1) because these men were under the orders of Irie, who figured that keiichi's state is in turmoil.

2) Rena is "this person"'s toy. In such, her whereabouts and behaviour might be a trump card or an annoyance, therefore, it requires some monitoring.

[ganbaru]

Can someone indicate when we learn about what really happen when Rena beat the 3 guy with the bat before she come back to Hinamizawa?

[June 1983]

I know I've read something about what really happened in that incident ... it might be in one of the TIPs, I'm not sure.

[FallenAngelV]

Okay, I'm pretty happy with my understanding of everything, except for one or two things I'm hoping someone can help me with:

Back in the 1st season Keiichi supposedly kills Satoko's uncle while simultaneously being at the Watanagashi festival with his friends. What's more, when he goes back to check on the corpse the ground has clearly been dug up recently, but there's no body. I've watched up until the end of Kai, and I still don't get this part. It seems pretty clear that he was out that night (through his meeting with Takano, the absence of Satoshi's bat, etc), but then it also doesn't seem like his friends are lying when they say he was with them (unless he's just imagining their words).

He can't have been in two places at once (can he?), so what actually happened?

[MuMyung]

Okay, I'm pretty happy with my understanding of everything, except for one or two things I'm hoping someone can help me with:

Back in the 1st season Keiichi supposedly kills Satoko's uncle while simultaneously being at the Watanagashi festival with his friends. What's more, when he goes back to check on the corpse the ground has clearly been dug up recently, but there's no body. I've watched up until the end of Kai, and I still don't get this part. It seems pretty clear that he was out that night (through his meeting with Takano, the absence of Satoshi's bat, etc), but then it also doesn't seem like his friends are lying when they say he was with them (unless he's just imagining their words).

He can't have been in two places at once (can he?), so what actually happened?


They were lying when they said he was at the Watanagashi festival, it was his "alibi" in order to protect him, since they knew he was going to follow in Satoshi's footsteps and kill Satoko's uncle. Rena and Mion went to dig up the body when K1 went back to check if Satoshii's bat was there. They were hinting this to K1, saying "Bring the receipt, it's important."

[MuMyung]

Can someone indicate when we learn about what really happen when Rena beat the 3 guy with the bat before she come back to Hinamizawa?

It was never stated really happened, you just have to interpret.

[FallenAngelV]

They were lying when they said he was at the Watanagashi festival, it was his "alibi" in order to protect him, since they knew he was going to follow in Satoshi's footsteps and kill Satoko's uncle. Rena and Mion went to dig up the body when K1 went back to check if Satoshii's bat was there. They were hinting this to K1, saying "Bring the receipt, it's important."
Ah, I see. I'll have to go back and watch that arc again to fully appreciate this answer. Thanks.

[Miko Miko]

I have another question..



In season 1, ep 26 Rena is able to 'overcome' the curse.
Well why don't they just live on then?
did Rika die or something? because Kai ep 1 shows grown up Rena talking about Rika so why did they have to start again?

[kj1980]

I have another question..



In season 1, ep 26 Rena is able to 'overcome' the curse.
Well why don't they just live on then?
did Rika die or something? because Kai ep 1 shows grown up Rena talking about Rika so why did they have to start again?



You answered it yourself. Rewatch Kai Ep. 1 on the context of what Rena was talking about. Fill in the blanks, and you come to the conclusion that

While Rena does overcome the "curse" in Tsumihoroboshi, it is subtlely told that Rika was watanagashi'ed soon after and the GHD occurred killing the residents of Hinamizawa. Yes it does suck that they die in the end after Rena's overcoming, but it gives the viewer a hint that whatever "curse" that befalls on a certain Hinamizawan is purely separate from the culprits that instigate Rika's death and the GHD.

[Miko Miko]

^ Thanks.


http://www.sorayume.jp/appli/003hg/

um... what game is this? =/

[kingsky123]

^ Thanks.


http://www.sorayume.jp/appli/003hg/

um... what game is this? =/

think i saw this somewhere posted before, it was for a phone or something

[FallenAngelV]

They were lying when they said he was at the Watanagashi festival, it was his "alibi" in order to protect him, since they knew he was going to follow in Satoshi's footsteps and kill Satoko's uncle. Rena and Mion went to dig up the body when K1 went back to check if Satoshii's bat was there. They were hinting this to K1, saying "Bring the receipt, it's important."

Hang on... if Keiichi did actually kill Satoko's uncle, why was she deep-frying herself in the bath when Keiichi went to her house to check? Also, she wouldn't have any reason to lie to Keiichi that her uncle was still alive then, since he was by himself. Right?

[Klashikari]

^ Because the huge stress she got recently and the fact she became literally broken, Satoko had delusions and still thought Teppei was around, abusing her.
Check Minagoroshi-hen: Satoko was completely freaked out by the principal's footsteps, despite that everyone told her that it wasn't teppei.

[FallenAngelV]

^ Because the huge stress she got recently and the fact she became literally broken, Satoko had delusions and still thought Teppei was around, abusing her.
Check Minagoroshi-hen: Satoko was completely freaked out by the principal's footsteps, despite that everyone told her that it wasn't teppei.
Thanks, that makes sense (especially given her medical status).

[Mr Fist]

Thanks, that makes sense (especially given her medical status).

Ok I just want to clear this up so that I've got it right. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

Keiichi takes Satoshi's bat, lures Teppei to the woods, kills him and buries his body.

Meanwhile Mion, Rena and Rika somehow learns of this and creates an alibi for Keiichi to Ooishi. (Why they ask Keiichi if he had fun at the festival, I have no idea...) They then dig up the body and hide it somewhere.

However Satoko goes into her mental breakdown believing that any man is Teppei. This then confuses Keiichi into believing Teppei is still alive since the body is gone but the bat is not in the locker which is the only evidence proving that he did commit murder

OK, I believe that's what happened. Took me a long time to figure out what it meant though :heh:

[ganbaru]

Corect me if I am wrong, but is it possible than Keichi was digging the wrong hole ( the first one) ?

[June 1983]

I was wondering, can anyone describe the plots of the light novels Kuradashi-hen and Hajisarashi-hen? There isn't really anything much on Wikipedia.

[angel.shade]

Corect me if I am wrong, but is it possible than Keichi was digging the wrong hole ( the first one) ?

Pretty sure he just got confused and dug in the wrong spot, but the disease combined with Satoko's behavior made him believe that he'd imagined the whole thing...

Damn creepy. =D

[Sterling01]

Pretty sure he just got confused and dug in the wrong spot, but the disease combined with Satoko's behavior made him believe that he'd imagined the whole thing...

Damn creepy. =D
No, Mion and Rena dugged the body back up and hid it somewhere else

[kingsky123]

er... 3 questions : has the special been subbed yet??
when is s3 coming out
when is movie coming out?

[Sterling01]

er... 3 questions : has the special been subbed yet??
when is s3 coming out
when is movie coming out?
1. No
2. In 2008
3. In 2008

[MarthX]

Hauu and WinD are the only ones still subbing Kai (Well Hauu finished). WinD is on episode 14 and recently subbed Nekogoroshi. Hauu said he's not going to sub that special and WinD is so behind on everything else that there's no way they will.

[Miko Miko]

Is there a set release date yet for season 3?

[Klashikari]

Not at all.
They only announced that Season 3 will be aired this year 2008, but absolutely not set date.

Most likely, this season will be aired in summer or fall 2008

[Rika-chama]

Not at all.
They only announced that Season 3 will be aired this year 2008, but absolutely not set date.
Most likely, this season will be aired in summer or fall 2008

Another guess is that they are gonna try to line it up with Saimoe 2008 and 2009 which would mean Klashikari's prolly right about summer or fall 2008 since Kai's already qualified for 2008 they might be gunning for 2009...

And then again, I could be L-5 and completely off my rocker ^__^

[Eryops]

Another guess is that they are gonna try to line it up with Saimoe 2008 and 2009 which would mean Klashikari's prolly right about summer or fall 2008 since Kai's already qualified for 2008 they might be gunning for 2009...
Saimoe is just a fan-run contest in which only a couple of thousand people actually participate; I highly doubt that a studio would actually schedule its releases using it as a criterion.


PS: I was wondering what some of the things Dark Rika says after winning in Higurashi Daybreak mean; does anyone know what she's saying in the following lines?
* 梨花「ふん。手加減無用って言ったのに…」
* 梨花「年端の行かぬこの身に、つい手加減ということか…」
沙都子「ん？梨花、今何か言いましてですのー？」
* 梨花「何度でも負けるといい。あなたは覚えていられないしね。くすくす…」
* 梨花「井の中の蛙は井戸にて遊ぶ。それに飛び込むもたまには面白いか…」
* 梨花「私が誰かを知る必要はないわ。どうせ終わる世界だしね。」

[Sonozaki Futagotachi]

* 梨花「ふん。手加減無用って言ったのに…」


Rika: "Hmph. Told you it was useless to go easy on me..."

* 梨花「年端の行かぬこの身に、つい手加減ということか…」

Rika: "Even with this very young body, wasn't it a mistake to go easy on me...?"

沙都子「ん？梨花、今何か言いましてですのー？」
* 梨花「何度でも負けるといい。あなたは覚えていられないしね。くすくす…」

Satoko: "Huh? Rika, did you happen to say something just now?"
Rika: "It's okay to be defeated any number of times. You're gaining experience, right? *giggle*"

* 梨花「井の中の蛙は井戸にて遊ぶ。それに飛び込むもたまには面白いか…」

Rika: "The frog in the well plays in the well. Interested in jumping in?
(Not quite sure about his one)

* 梨花「私が誰かを知る必要はないわ。どうせ終わる世界だしね。」

Rika: "There's someone I wasn't meant to know. Anyway, it's the end of the world."
(Not quite sure either)

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)

[Eryops]

Mion (Sonozaki Futago-tachi)
Thanks. :)

[Rias]

* 梨花「井の中の蛙は井戸にて遊ぶ。それに飛び込むもたまには面白いか…」
* 梨花「私が誰かを知る必要はないわ。どうせ終わる世界だしね。」


1. The frog inside the well plays in the well. It's intresting to jump in once in a while, huh.
(Frog refers to the poem (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=568368&postcount=6) from Tatarigoroshi-hen. There are different interpretation as to what "frog", "outside the well", and "you" refers to.)

2. There's no need to know who I am. It's a world that will end anyway.
(Dark Rika after all)

[kj1980]

沙都子「ん？梨花、今何か言いましてですのー？」
* 梨花「何度でも負けるといい。あなたは覚えていられないしね。くすくす…」

o Satoko: "Huh? Rika, did you happen to say something just now?"
x Rika: "It's okay to be defeated any number of times. You're gaining experience, right? *giggle*"
o Rika: "It's okay to lose over and over again. At least you won't remember it. giggle*"

Sad and cynical words from Rika...

[Sterling01]

Is there any other way to Rip the text out of Daybreak other then just typing it out?

[Rias]

The Hidebu wiki has all the winning quotes

[Sterling01]

Okay, Thanks.

[Eryops]

The Hidebu wiki has all the winning quotes
Indeed (http://hidebu.wikiwiki.jp/?%BE%A1%CD%F8%A5%E1%A5%C3%A5%BB%A1%BC%A5%B8). That's where I got them from. It also has transcripts (http://hidebu.wikiwiki.jp/?%A5%C7%A1%BC%A5%BF%A5%D9%A1%BC%A5%B9) of everything the characters say in game.

Running some of these through Google Translator gives amusing results. Natsumi Kimiyoshi's name turns into "serious public beam weapons".

[Kusaja]

Sorry if this sounds bothersome, but I know someone will think this belongs in the thread for the PS2 game, when I don't really want information about Miotsukushi-hen (the final PS2 arc) itself.

I just want to know whether it's true the author directly said that new PS2 arc is the "true end". Nothing else.

I keep seeing people repeating this everywhere but with no source or explanation (or just "it's in Wikipedia"), it's just assumed as such and I'd like to see some confirmation.

Again, I personally don't think spoilers about the arc or the PS2 game are necessary at all in order to answer this...

[Sterling01]

Miotsukushi-hen is the "True-End" but that doesn't make Matsuribayashi-hen any less canon it's just that Miotsukushi-hen is as canon as the "Good-End" Matsuribayashi-hen

Also Miotsukushi-hen can't really be considered a Good ending like Matsuribayashi-hen

[Kusaja]

Miotsukushi-hen is the "True-End" but that doesn't make Matsuribayashi-hen any less canon it's just that Miotsukushi-hen is as canon as the "Good-End" Matsuribayashi-hen

Also Miotsukushi-hen can't really be considered a Good ending like Matsuribayashi-hen

I understand that, more or less, but I wonder if the author did say that it was a "true end" just like that, or if he explained things a little bit more (again, without spoilers, that's not what I want to know or remember).

[k//eternal]

A lot of games in Japan have a "good end" and a "true end", it's sort of a convention. The latter is generally a lot darker and sometimes more meaningful.

[June 1983]

The Miotsukushi-hen ending depresses me. :(

[TigerII]

Since this is a PS2 game arc, will it be in season 3?

And from what people are saying, it is the true end and it doesn't look like the kids ever win, sucks for them.

Would someone who knows what happens please pm me?

Thanks.

[Sterling01]

"True end" not true end there's a difference :heh::heh:

As for what happens it very simple...

Hanyuu dies from protecting Takano

[TigerII]

That it? Quite light compaired to some of the others.

But how does a ..well you know end up.


So what is the end then? this whole series has me confused. I mean, does it ever end or will it just go on forever.

[Klashikari]

That it? Quite light compaired to some of the others.

But how does a ..well you know end up.


So what is the end then? this whole series has me confused. I mean, does it ever end or will it just go on forever.

Please have a look in the PS2 game thread.
There are much more detailed differences between Matsuribayashi and Miotsukushi. That said, the answers were already given, and this thread doesn't fill the purpose of spoiler fest.

[TigerII]

Sorry I asked, I have already been through that thread and it doesn't answer my last part. Eh, this is one of those you have to play the games to understand anything. Guess I will always be left out of this circle.

[June 1983]

You keep asking that question over and over again. I think the fact that no one has answered it yet should tell you something ... we don't really know, but there's not really any reason to believe it does. Miotsukushi-hen is supposed to take place INSTEAD of Matsuribayashi-hen, so it doesn't really enter into that question at all. The only story we really have which follows up the "end" of the series is Saikoroshi-hen, and there's nothing about that story that indicates what you are asking about, because the whole thing is supposed to just be a dream. So why would you think it keeps going on forever? There's absolutely no evidence of that. If we take Umineko into account, it looks like the game that was being played in Higurashi has played itself out and those who were playing (if that's what really happened) are bored with it and have moved onto new pursuits. Just because there is a third season of Higurashi does not mean that the good ending was false. It just means there may be more to tell.

[Rias]

The difference between Miotsukushi-hen and Matsurubayashi-hen is simple. Miotsukushi-hen was originally created to address elements that Matsuribayashi-hen did not address, and Matsuribayashi-hen has elements that Miotsukushi-hen (pre Kakera-Asobi) didn't address. If you think about what every other arc has but Matsuribayashi-hen didn't have, you can probably guess what the story is like. The role of Hanyuu is different since the screenwriter probably misinterperted the scene in Minagoroshi-hen, which also leads in a different ending.

As to if Miotsukushi-hen will be in 3rd season or not, just rememeber this. Until there's actual infomation about what WILL be in 3rd season, everything is just speculation. The only info that was gave out was, "3rd season has been planned". Nothing more.

[TigerII]

Eh, i had hoped it would end with two. I I really didn't care about the difference between those two arcs.

And I came up with the idea that it was never ending because it seems when one game ends, they make a new game with more arcs.

My overall question was at this moment is the entire story over or still ongoing. Some have said there is the true ending, which I don't even know what that was, but then someone else said that wasn't the true ending.

For someone who has only watched the anime, do you not see where I am getting my confusion? But now I am at the point where it has gone on so much, and I know so little because I havn't played the games or read anything from any scripts, I am just going to drop this story since it has so much information and is overhwelming.

Anyways, sorry for everones time. Last post.

[EoT]

I just finished watching a 26 episode series named Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai. Is there a second season?

[Klashikari]

I just finished watching a 26 episode series named Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai. Is there a second season?
You are a bit confusing here.
The first season is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, which is spanned for 26 episodes
The second season is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, which was done with 24 episodes.

Whichever did you watch? I would say the first one considering your question.

[TakezoSama]

Man, I just finished watching Higurashi Kai and man, I feel... kinda confused O___O

Takano was afflicted by the Hinamizawa syndrome too, right? But even though she was under severe stress, didn`t she take a shot to prevent the disease? Also, I didn`t understand the after-ending animation. Was that a parallel world for Takano?

Also, why the hell does no one gets bothered by Hanyuu`s horns? xD

One last question: I don`t know if I missed it on the series, but how did Rika noticed Hanyuu`s presence, and when was it? At the entire season 1 she was always by Rika`s side, right?

[Rayneing]

Takano never needed to take a shot, she wasn't under mental stress until the final arc. And besides, it doesn't prevent the disease, only calms it down.

Rika has been able to see Hanyuu since she was born.

[Proto]

Also, I didn`t understand the after-ending animation. Was that a parallel world for Takano?


Indeed. More will be explained on the third season.


Also, why the hell does no one gets bothered by Hanyuu`s horns? xD

It is interesting that you mention it :p In the game the only one to bring it up was Takano herself , when Hanyuu tripped and ended falling off the cliff. This event,and the fact that she called Hanyuu a monster(because of the horns) triggered Hanyuu's memories on the events of Minagoroshi-hen (instead of just hearing her voice and her name)



One last question: I don`t know if I missed it on the series, but how did Rika noticed Hanyuu`s presence, and when was it? At the entire season 1 she was always by Rika`s side, right?

It is said that after the Furude bloodline has an 'x' consecutive number of female heir's, that x female heir will become the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama. In reality she will gain enough spiritual awareness to detect Hanyuu's presence :p

[shadowdragon167]

Many, many questions ahead.

Just what is it about the Hinamizawa Syndrome that makes you about to see/hear Hanyuu? Sure parasites can't be the cause of it. Really, could a parasite cause you to go insane? Is it something else (a supernatural disease?) Or am I just thinking too much? Or... perhaps Hanyuu isn't real, and this whole thing is a big delusion on the part of Rika. Reminds me of that episode "Shadow Play" from the Twilight Zone, haha.

Did they ever explain why Hanyuu couldn't act like a scout? She can go through walls, can go outside Hinamizawa (she talks to Keiichi on the train at the beginning on Demoning Away), and with a few exceptions can't be seen or heard. Are we expected to believe that Rika never thought to use Hanyuu like that, through the hundred years (or is it 1000? Has Rika been through 1000 years but can only remember the last 100?).

What is Hanyuu anyway? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Hanyuu from the same place the witches in Umineko are from? Would that make Hanyuu a witch too, but one less powerful than the others? Though the power to control time is powerful too. But it's seemingly limited to reseting the world after Rika dies, and pausing time occasionaly. But the time reset is just Rika going to another world right? So would that really make it time travel? Too many questions...

[Proto]

1.
What the Syndrome does as a side effect is heightening your senses, specially your hearing. People with the syndrome could never actually see her, but their hearing was acute enough to be able to sense her footsteps, and what she said to a minor degree. An hypothetical parasite could somehow cause those sympthoms if it somehow affected the behavior of the frontal cortex, though trying to bring real life science won't do much to explain a fantasy disease :p

3.

Her origins are explained in a manga arc called Katautsushi-hen (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/unasuvas/722827740193038768.jpg). Rather than spoiling yourself I'd encourage you to wait since it has already been translated and scanlated. It is only waiting to be uploaded... one of these days :p

2.
It is basically the product of many things. Basically Hanyuu never actually believed that they would be able to avoid their fate. She was just tryinig to maximize the available time Rika and her had, but she never really tried to do something to solve her situation, other than apologizing for being useless (which makes her change of position in Matsuribayashi hen all the more important). Hanyuu has been around as a spirit for 1000 years, however it was not till 100 years before the story that a human, Rika, was able to see her

[Sterling01]

Her origins are explained in a manga arc called Katautsushi-hen (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q42/unasuvas/722827740193038768.jpg). Rather than spoiling yourself I'd encourage you to wait since it has already been translated and scanlated. It is only waiting to be uploaded... one of these days :p

I should really upload that... :heh::heh:

Ace seems to be a little ticked off that I haven't yet

It will come soon

Ouka-sama forgive me :bow::bow::bow:

[Proto]

I'll even rep you for that post so that you feel more compelled to upload it :p

[Sterling01]

I just need to find it...

one of the bad points of having six different computers

[EoT]

You are a bit confusing here.
The first season is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, which is spanned for 26 episodes
The second season is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, which was done with 24 episodes.

Whichever did you watch? I would say the first one considering your question.

It would seem I watched the first season. The series I downloaded seems to of been mistitled. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for your help.