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This thread is for those with questions about the Higurashi no Naku Koroni anime, game and manga. Please keep discussion about episodes in the relevant threads, the purpose of this thread is to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime, game or manga.
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Please read the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni) that has been made before you ask questions. I made the the wikipedia article as detailed as I can which may answer your questions beforehand.
Brief rundown of the arcs and chapters in sequential order for quick reference in the future:
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni ("Question" arc)
Onikakushi-hen
Watanagashi-hen
Tatarigoroshi-hen
Himatsubushi-hen
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai ("Answer" arc)
Meakashi-hen
Tsumihoroboshi-hen (the TV anime will go up to here)
Minagoroshi-hen
Matsuribayashi-hen
EDIT: Also, I'm going to try to keep this FAQ section as clean as possible, so I will be moving some irrelevant posts to the correct thread and what not from time to time.
EDIT2:
Please do not ask incessant questions regarding the availability of an English patch of the original doujin game version of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Questions like these pop up everytime an anime based on a game comes along, and the answer is the same all over: little to no one in the English speaking world had an interest in this game before it aired, so there exists no such thing.
By the time it does get translated several months from now, there will be another game-based anime that will come along and people ask the same question again for that title. By that time, people would've already finished watching the other show and they'll lose interest. I can already forsee people saying the exact same question when Tsuyokiss or Yoake Mae Yori Ruri Iro Na starts airing. It's the same cycle over and over.
If you want to play the game, BUY it and play through it with a Japanese dictionary on hand. Besides, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni isn't that expensive like an ero-game or consumer game anyway. If you can spare 1500 yen (plus shipping) you can get the whole question arc (Onikakushi-hen~Himatsubushi-hen) in one disc. And if you can spare another 1000 yen (plus shipping), you can get the answer arc that is out right now (Meakashi-hen~Minagoroshi-hen) in one disc as well.
SpaceDrake
2006-05-01, 13:55
Question!
Is it possible that the show could "squish" all the answers into two answer arcs? The show will be ending after the 8th chapter of the game is released, after all, right? Has anything been said to this effect?
Question!
Is it possible that the show could "squish" all the answers into two answer arcs? The show will be ending after the 8th chapter of the game is released, after all, right? Has anything been said to this effect?
No one knows, and anime production is usually several weeks ahead of airing. So the anime could actually be 80% finished in production phase even before the 8th and final chapter goes on sale at this summer's Comike. Obviously, that wouldn't be possible unless Ryukishi07 spilled the beans to the anime staff - which is highly unlikely as the anime production process is tight on schedule to begin with.
SpaceDrake
2006-05-01, 14:08
Question number two, yarr.
Are there any known English translations of the Higurashi game floating around out there? Fan translations, official ones, etc?
Given the tremendous and uproar success Higurashi no Naku Koroni, the game, among the fan players in Japan has amassed, do the game's creator, Ryukishi07, would encourage themselves to come up with a sequel to the game in an unknown future?
I'm neither implying nor assuming that scenario could bound to happen.
I already read thoroughly the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni).
Also, I know that there's still one more game scenario to be released in Japan by August, and that the game will be ported to the PS2 consumer port.
My aforementioned question was just a hypothetically one.
Question number two, yarr.
Are there any known English translations of the Higurashi game floating around out there? Fan translations, official ones, etc?
I wouldn't know, and most likely not. Hey, there was practically no interest in this game in the English speaking world. Perhaps Chinese ones exist. I wouldn't know. My best bet is to buy the game at cdjapan or what not, and do your best with a Japanese dictionary at hand.
Given the tremendous and uproar success Higurashi no Naku Koroni, the game, among the fan players in Japan has amassed, do the game's creator, Ryukishi07, would encourage themselves to come up with a sequel to the game in an unknown future?
I'm neither implying nor assuming that scenario could bound to happen.
I already read thoroughly the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni).
Also, I know that there's still one more game scenario to be released in Japan by August, and that the game will be ported to the PS2 consumer port.
My aforementioned question was just a hypothetically one.
Nothing has been mentioned.
Fighter747
2006-05-03, 17:40
I remember from several posts that all these arcs are somewhat independent of each other, yet at the same time exists on at the same time. Is this game's storyline simulating the Butterfly Effect?
Freak Of Nature
2006-05-03, 18:35
A question and an observation-cum-question:
1) If the show is "only" going to go to Tsumihoroboshi-hen, then we're not going to get the full answer, are we?
2) If we were to get the answer, wouldn't this be counterproductive, since it would spoil the game and conceivably affect sales? So, honestly speaking, can't we expect that the anime will peter out into uncertainty?
justsomeguy
2006-05-03, 18:52
I know the last chapter has not been released yet, but is it conceivable for Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuribayashi-hen to contain enough material for a Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai show, even if that would only be ~13 eps? Does Minagoroshi-hen contain enough for, say 6 episodes?
I would hate for the show to just end at an unfulfilling ending instead of a "best" ending.
I remember from several posts that all these arcs are somewhat independent of each other, yet at the same time exists on at the same time. Is this game's storyline simulating the Butterfly Effect?
uh...no.
A question and an observation-cum-question:
1) If the show is "only" going to go to Tsumihoroboshi-hen, then we're not going to get the full answer, are we?
No you won't, but you will come as close as you get to getting the answer. By that time, you'll have everything you need to know about what was going on behind Onikakushi and Watanagashi.
2) If we were to get the answer, wouldn't this be counterproductive, since it would spoil the game and conceivably affect sales? So, honestly speaking, can't we expect that the anime will peter out into uncertainty?
Not really. The majority of people who are watching this over here are otakus who have played the game already. And people who haven't played the game, well, they are otakus too so it's pretty easy for them to go to the nearest Toranoana or doujin shops and grab a copy if it seems interesting. What about the rest? Well, normal people don't watch anime shows airing on an obscure UHF channel past midnight.
I know the last chapter has not been released yet, but is it conceivable for Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuribayashi-hen to contain enough material for a Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai show, even if that would only be ~13 eps? Does Minagoroshi-hen contain enough for, say 6 episodes?
I would hate for the show to just end at an unfulfilling ending instead of a "best" ending.
Perhaps. I can't give you info on something that it not official. But I can say this: you'll definitely love the ending for Tsumihoroboshi-hen. I'm not saying any more than that - doing so will ruin the shock value.
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-03, 21:45
Out of curiosity, is Frederica Bernkastel a real person? I googled for the name and all I came upon were Japanese websites, which I assume are talking about Higurashi.
1) If the show is "only" going to go to Tsumihoroboshi-hen, then we're not going to get the full answer, are we?
The way I see it, Minagoroshi-hen is either a hit or miss: It does reveal the "full answer" of the entire story (as opposed to the "partial truths" in Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi), but while some people would be left pleasently surprised by the plot twists and the ultimate truth, for others, Minagoroshi-hen could mean a proverbial kick in the nuts (and no, I'm not going elaborate on what that means, read the spoilers in the game thread if you really want to know).
In comparison, the story and ending of Tsumihorobosh-hen is a relatively safe one. In fact, as long as the anime leave out Tsumihoroboshi-hen's final TIP "悪魔の脚本" (The Demon's Script), which isn't obtainable until after Tsumihoroboshi-hen is over, then Tsumihoroboshi-hen's ending would actually make a very good series finale. (Of course, if they really end the anime with Tsumihoroboshi's ending as-is, then that's a problem too, since without Minagoroshi-hen's "full answers", there will be more holes left in the mystery than a sponge).
(To explain a little bit more, the final TIP (Demon's Script) of Tsumihoroboshi provided a way for the story to continue on. Without that TIP, the story of Higurashi no Naku Koroni probably would've ended with Tsumihoroboshi)
In the end, I don't think they'll try to change the story to make up an original ending or anything. Most likely, they'll just show the anime as it is, and if you want to find out the real truth (fill up the sponge holes), you'll just going to have to buy the game.
2) If we were to get the answer, wouldn't this be counterproductive, since it would spoil the game and conceivably affect sales? So, honestly speaking, can't we expect that the anime will peter out into uncertainty?
Like I mentioned above, I don't think the "real truth" will be revealed in the anime at all. By the end of Tsumihoroboshi, a lot of things will be cleared up, but it's still one step short of the "real truth".
Honestly, I don't know what they're going to do with the ending (so don't take what I said above too seriously). The only suggestion I can give is to just enjoy the story for what it is without thinking too much.
Out of curiosity, is Frederica Bernkastel a real person? I googled for the name and all I came upon were Japanese websites, which I assume are talking about Higurashi.
No, she's not. Frederica Bernkastel is kind of a mysterious existence within the story of Higurashi. The only time her name appears is at the beginning of every new chapter (in the game), when one of her poems is displayed. The poem themselves all elude to the truth natures behind each chapter. Quite an artistic touch.
I know the last chapter has not been released yet, but is it conceivable for Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuribayashi-hen to contain enough material for a Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai show, even if that would only be ~13 eps? Does Minagoroshi-hen contain enough for, say 6 episodes?
I would hate for the show to just end at an unfulfilling ending instead of a "best" ending.
Matsuribayashi isn't out yet, so I can't say anything about that.
Minagoroshi, on the other hand, probably does have enough contents to fill 6 episodes (then again, at 4 episodes, Onikakushi-hen was already pretty rushed, and it's one of the shortest chapters).
I'm not holding my breath for a second season based on only these last two chapters, but hey, you never know.
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-03, 23:39
No, she's not. Frederica Bernkastel is kind of a mysterious existence within the story of Higurashi. The only time her name appears is at the beginning of every new chapter (in the game), when one of her poems is displayed. The poem themselves all elude to the truth natures behind each chapter. Quite an artistic touch.
I'll assume the poems and her name are displayed in English in the game as KJ posted them. Thanks for the info.
I'll assume the poems and her name are displayed in English in the game as KJ posted them. Thanks for the info.
Her name is written in English(?) as "Frederica Bernkastel", but the poem themselves are in Japanese.
Here's a page that has all her(?) poems organized:
http://lab.vis.ne.jp/higurashi/poem.html
Then again, kj must be doing a good job if his translations fooled you into thinking that the poems were in English to begin with. :heh:
Lemonhead
2006-05-08, 02:04
Is there anyway to label what tips come from what ep. or at least what chapter?
Is there anyway to label what tips come from what ep. or at least what chapter?
Added relevant anime episode number in parenthesis for the TIPS.
Hi, I was surfing the net and came up with a small preview clip called Higurashi Motion Graphic vol.3 so after some research I found this web site:
Higurashi Motion Graphic (http://www.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/dpenu801/higurashi/entrance.html)
(I don't even know its real name since it's in Japanese :heh: )
Anyway, I found in the download section 3 preview clips of what seems to be Higurashi no Naku Koroni but with radically different graphics. Could anyone please tell me what it's all about? These movies seem very nice and I wonder if they can be acquired?
Hi, I was surfing the net and came up with a small preview clip called Higurashi Motion Graphic vol.3 so after some research I found this web site:
Higurashi Motion Graphic (http://www.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/dpenu801/higurashi/entrance.html)
(I don't even know its real name since it's in Japanese :heh: )
Anyway, I found in the download section 3 preview clips of what seems to be Higurashi no Naku Koroni but with radically different graphics. Could anyone please tell me what it's all about? These movies seem very nice and I wonder if they can be acquired?
Hoho, good job finding it. (・ω・ )
Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai (なかない君と嘆きの世界) is a MAD music video series based on Higurashi. There has been 3 releases:
- Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai (なかない君と嘆きの世界)
Based on Onikakushi-hen
- Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai -Soushunfu- (なかない君と嘆きの世界 -ソウシュンフ-)
Based on Watanagashi-hen + Meakashi-hen
- Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai Utage (なかない君と嘆きの世界 宴)
Based on Tatarigoroshi-hen
All of them features original music tracks (sung by Shinra Etsuko), created specifically for the video.
The demo clips (to avoid hot-linking, copy and paste the url into your address field and type back in the "w" in front (to make "www"):
Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai
ww.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/dpenu801/higurashi/down/movie_sample.wmv
Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai -Soushunfu-
ww.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/dpenu801/higurashi/down/movie02_sample.wmv
Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai Utage
ww.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/dpenu801/higurashi/down/movie03_sample.wmv
Oh, go here and you might find something good ;):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H46vN313X2A
(what about the others, you ask? Well, only after the anime covers them first ;))
(Personally, Utage was my favorite, both the song and the video. Hey what do you know, Tatarigoroshi-hen was my favorite chapter too! :heh: Maybe you might see it sometime in the future. Maybe say, after the anime's Tatarigoroshi-hen ends? ;))
How do the chapters relate time-wise to the first?
I mean like, how does the second 'chapter' (epi 5-?) relate timewise from 1-4
And I didn't really understand it before (the way you guys stated it..butterfly effect?) but these are alternate universes right?
How do these relate to the game, if the game is a choice game- Is this only one of the many set paths, or in the game, do the paths all lead up to this with different hints and clues, etc.?
Thewanderer
2006-05-09, 00:17
How do the chapters relate time-wise to the first?
I mean like, how does the second 'chapter' (epi 5-?) relate timewise from 1-4
And I didn't really understand it before (the way you guys stated it..butterfly effect?) but these are alternate universes right?
How do these relate to the game, if the game is a choice game- Is this only one of the many set paths, or in the game, do the paths all lead up to this with different hints and clues, etc.?
I'm pretty sure they're "What if" scenarios that take place in the same universe, but when one starts, the last one is erased from existance or something. I can't be sure tho yet, so meh...
How do the chapters relate time-wise to the first?
I mean like, how does the second 'chapter' (epi 5-?) relate timewise from 1-4
And I didn't really understand it before (the way you guys stated it..butterfly effect?) but these are alternate universes right?
How do these relate to the game, if the game is a choice game- Is this only one of the many set paths, or in the game, do the paths all lead up to this with different hints and clues, etc.?
Ok, I'm going to put this thing down once and for all.
Higurashi no Naku Koroni is a sound novel, there are no selection points within the story, no choices to be made by the player, no interactions whatsoever: you click, read, click, read, click, read, and continue until a chapter is over (well, actually, in the past 7 chapters, there has been a couple of selections, but they were all gimmicks, they don't mean or do anything).
The game is split into 8 chapters (scenarios, if you would), the first half (1 - 4) consists of what we call the "question" chapters (Onikakushi-hen, Watanagashi-hen, Tatarigoroshi-hen, Himatsubushi-hen), while the second half (5 - 8) are considered to be the "answer" chapters (Meakashi-hen, Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Minagoroshi-hen, and the yet-to-be-released Matsuribayashi-hen). Although we call them "chapters" in this forum, each scenario are completely stand-alone: they each contain their own stories, development, and ending, and are not related to any other chapters directly.
Now, as for the relationship between these parallel scenarios. Like I mentioned in another post, for the sake of defining it as something, you should consider the scenarios (chapters) to be different stories occuring in parallel worlds (although Minagoroshi-hen revealed that this isn't quite the case either).
The important thing here is to realize that all characters and settings remain exactly the same throughout all scenarios, the only things that are different between the scenarios are the circumstances and happenings. The primary function these parallel worlds is to provide a multi-faceted view for the reader (you) to analyze. For Keiichi and the others, the world within each scenario is their only world. But you, the reader, an outsider, can watch from the sidelines, blessed with the ability to make comparisons, deductions, and determinations based on information gathered from across all the worlds.
Timeline wise, it might not be exact, but yes, all the chapters take place at roughly around the same time period, early summer in Hinamizawa (although there are a few exceptions, but you will know them when they come).
The anime, then, is basically doing the same thing: showing one scenario, then moving on to the next after the current scenario ends, etc.
JanthraX^
2006-05-10, 14:51
what kind of blade/knife does Rena 'use'? It looks a lot like a chibi uruk-hai sword.
what kind of blade/knife does Rena 'use'? It looks a lot like a chibi uruk-hai sword.
It's a hatchet with a pointy tip protuding out sideways. Seriously, that is the best way to explain it as it doesn't exist in that size. Although, there are similar ones such as the Echizen hatchet (http://images.google.co.jp/images?q=%E8%B6%8A%E5%89%8D%E9%89%88&num=50&hl=ja&lr=&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-45,GGLD:ja&sa=N&tab=wi) and the Haku hatchet (http://images.google.co.jp/images?q=%E6%B3%8A%E9%89%88&num=50&hl=ja&lr=&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-45,GGLD:ja&sa=N&tab=wi), which are smaller and with a much rounded protuding tip. But, one guy went to the lengths of having it specially made just for the heck of it:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/kj1980/nata_02.jpg
Hi, I'm glad I read the forums else I'll be watching the show in a totally DIFFERENT direction!!!
I have some doubts which I hope some kind soul will help to clarify cos I am really confused now.
Initally, I thought that the purpose of the different arcs was to explain what happened in the first arcs\ but it seems like the arcs actually portray different realities in a parallel world at the same time?
1) If so, how could some of the events which happened in the second arc explain some of the events in the first arc?
For eg. some people said that the reason that Mion knew K1 was talking Oishi (in the first arc) was because she actually disguised as Shion and happened to be in the same restaurant that K1 and Oishi went to for lunch. (second arc)
-> But if the second arc does not happen in the same world as the first arc, how could the above arguement be held true?
2) Also what is the role of us viewers when we view thru the different arcs. Eg. intially I thought that the different arcs happen in the same world and we are supposed to piece the story of different timeframe to get the full story (similar to boogiepop phantom anime), but if the different arc portarys different reality, how should we go about watching it?
I know this questions are really fundamental but I do hope someone could give me a clearer explanation so that I am able to view this anime in the right direction =)
This anime rockS! Thanks! :)
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-16, 13:34
Hi, I'm glad I read the forums else I'll be watching the show in a totally DIFFERENT direction!!!
I have some doubts which I hope some kind soul will help to clarify cos I am really confused now.
Initally, I thought that the purpose of the different arcs was to explain what happened in the first arcs\ but it seems like the arcs actually portray different realities in a parallel world at the same time?
In a way, yes
1) If so, how could some of the events which happened in the second arc explain some of the events in the first arc?
For eg. some people said that the reason that Mion knew K1 was talking Oishi (in the first arc) was because she actually disguised as Shion and happened to be in the same restaurant that K1 and Oishi went to for lunch. (second arc)
-> But if the second arc does not happen in the same world as the first arc, how could the above arguement be held true?
From my understanding of what's going on, the events that lead up to the start of each arc are the same. Then outside circumstances unique to each situation causes the stories to become different to each other. This leads to more clues provided in each situation to help figure out what's going on.
2) Also what is the role of us viewers when we view thru the different arcs. Eg. intially I thought that the different arcs happen in the same world and we are supposed to piece the story of different timeframe to get the full story (similar to boogiepop phantom anime), but if the different arc portarys different reality, how should we go about watching it?
I would just approach it as a mystery, except instead of the story providing the sleuth, we are the sleuths. And until the ending is provided for us, we're put in the situation to figure out what's going on based on the events given to us. Just remember, like all detectives, we have to figure out what's true from what's not true. That's the fun part.
I know this questions are really fundamental but I do hope someone could give me a clearer explanation so that I am able to view this anime in the right direction =)
This anime rockS! Thanks! :)
I hope I helped.
1) If so, how could some of the events which happened in the second arc explain some of the events in the first arc?
For eg. some people said that the reason that Mion knew K1 was talking Oishi (in the first arc) was because she actually disguised as Shion and happened to be in the same restaurant that K1 and Oishi went to for lunch. (second arc)
-> But if the second arc does not happen in the same world as the first arc, how could the above arguement be held true?
2) Also what is the role of us viewers when we view thru the different arcs. Eg. intially I thought that the different arcs happen in the same world and we are supposed to piece the story of different timeframe to get the full story (similar to boogiepop phantom anime), but if the different arc portarys different reality, how should we go about watching it?
First of all, read my post here if you haven't already:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=555620&postcount=33
I'm going to be careful in answering this one:
1) The reason why I didn't just call these scenario outright "parallel universes" is because of this. When people think of "parallel universes", they tend to imagine worlds that are completely different from each other. This is not the case for Higurashi. Like I mentioned in the post linked above, "the characters and settings remain exactly the same thoughout all the scenarios". In other words, the "world" itself remains the same. The difference are the events that occured within each world.
However, just because an event wasn't shown in a scenario doesn't mean it didn't happen. For example, in Onikakushi, a mystery would be "how did Mion find out about the conversation between Keiichi and Oishi?":
"Keiichi+Oishi conversation" → ? → "Mion finds out"
Now, we learned the fact that "Shion/Mion worked in Angel Mort" in Watanagashi-hen. With that, we can "equip" that knowledge onto Onikakushi-hen and finally fill in the missing blanks:
"Keiichi+Oishi conversation" → "Shion worked in Angel Mort" → "Shion told Mion about it" → "Mion finds out"
or (depending on your theory)
"Keiichi+Oishi conversation" → "Mion worked in Angel Mort" → "Mion finds out"
Even though the conversation that took place between Oishi and Keiichi in Angel Mort happened in Onikakushi-hen, concrete "facts" (not events) can be applied throughout all scenarios.
The world is the same, but the developments are different. The cause for this deviance is based on a pretty simple principle. So far I have avoided the usage of that critical word, but hopefully you guys will notice it yourselves.
2) See the points raised in my post here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=547152&postcount=173
Like I said above, these scenarios are independent, but they are all related. The purpose for these different scenarios is to give you a view of the "overall story" from multiple different angles (multi-faceted view, like I mentioned in the other post). With only one "view" (scenario), you can only see one side of an object (world), but with multiple views from different angles, you can then try to build a 3D image of the object in your mind. The object (world) itself remains constant, but your recognition of it will change over time as you learn more about it.
Beyond the Shave
2006-06-13, 10:10
Do Keiichi's parents and Chie-sensei (I think that's her name?) serve any real important purpose to the plot, or should we not be paying much attention to them? They don't seem to be getting much screentime, leading me to believe that they don't have much of an impact on the storyline, but for some reason I still find them suspicious.
Amaranthine
2006-06-13, 15:07
I have a what I thought was a simple, very quick question, but I've realised it's a little more complex. :/ I don't think it's been answered anywhere.
It's about the TIPS, and how far they can be trusted. First of all, I'm assuming that the information in them can be taken as it's presented; there's nothing twisted by a character's point of view/mental state, like there was in Onikakushi-hen. Is that correct?
Secondly, I'm also assuming that in the ones that are conservations between characters, what the characters say could be lies or misinformation. I'm unsure as to whether the TIPS are supposed to provide concrete facts or whether they're just like everything else, and open to interpretation.
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I'm feeling a little confused. x_x;
AzureFlux
2006-06-13, 15:40
It's about the TIPS, and how far they can be trusted. First of all, I'm assuming that the information in them can be taken as it's presented; there's nothing twisted by a character's point of view/mental state, like there was in Onikakushi-hen. Is that correct?
Secondly, I'm also assuming that in the ones that are conservations between characters, what the characters say could be lies or misinformation. I'm unsure as to whether the TIPS are supposed to provide concrete facts or whether they're just like everything else, and open to interpretation.
The TIPs provide "factual information" in the sense that they show what actually took place. For example, if a TIP contained information about what a character is thinking, then you can be sure that the thought process did take place. However, the contents of his/her thought would naturally be subjected to the person's state of mind. As for conversations, the above rule still applies. A person may lie if he/she chooses to.
With that said, the TIPs are there to help you solve the mystery behind everything (if that's even possible) and not to mislead the readers.
The TIPs provide "factual information" in the sense that they show what actually took place. For example, if a TIP contained information about what a character is thinking, then you can be sure that the thought process did take place. However, the contents of his/her thought would naturally be subjected to the person's state of mind. As for conversations, the above rule still applies. A person may lie if he/she chooses to.
With that said, the TIPs are there to help you solve the mystery behind everything (if that's even possible) and not to mislead the readers.
Let me clarify about the TIPS:
What's written in the TIPS are evidences, fact, clues, and hints.
If the coroner's report says it's a woman, it is a woman Although you don't see the report, what good will Oishi and his partner have in lying at that scene about the coroner's report being a woman? They are talking to their fellow police officers - they can check them out if they want to; and that's what Oishi and Kuma tells them to do. That's how you connect the dots for the TIPS.
If the newspaper report says that so-and-so occurred, it occurred. If a character thought that way, that's what he/she thought (psychological state of mind aside). If you see an episode where Rika refers to a call that Satoko made when she was young, there's a record of it that you can read. It's interesting. And, that actual record is factual evidence.
How you use the TIPS is another matter. Scrapbooks for instance - it's written down, but it's mainly a theory. How far can you trust that source?
It's just a matter of sorting through the evidence just like an investigator - what is reliable and what maybe questionable. If it's between a coroner's medical autopsy report versus some person's theory written in a scrapbook....which one do you trust? How much can you trust? Then again, if you negate the coroner's report becaus he might be "in on it," what do you trust? On the other hand, what are the chances of the coroner misidentifying a corpse as a woman than a man? The body is rather intact, it's not charred up like Takano's corpse from the previous arcs. So, what do you think?
Are the TIPS misleading? Perhaps. But these are presented to you directly. Even if they some might seem to take you off-track, you then have to think - what was the purpose of that TIPS to make you go off track? That's where more thinking kicks in.
So, write down to yourself notes on which TIPS give you reliable facts, versus some that are highly questionable. You are your own detective - see if you can best Oishi or even Rena!
Amaranthine
2006-06-14, 03:55
Thanks for that, both of you. :) It helped a lot... especially since kj1980 seems to have read my mind by using the coroner's report as an example. Sadly I don't think I'm going to be besting Rena or Ooishi any time soon, but this will definitely help my attempt.
Watch the latest CM for the DVD release. Apparently the 1st pressing DVD will have the TIPS as part of the package. Anyone can clarify this?
Watch the latest CM for the DVD release. Apparently the 1st pressing DVD will have the TIPS as part of the package. Anyone can clarify this?
Yep, it's confirmed by the official website and CDJapan. I made a post about it here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=577371&postcount=18) with a link to the site.
2. Mekashi-hen is going to have only 2 episodes? Only 2 are listed on wikipedia and anidb.
Only two episode titles have been confirmed for Meakashi, that's why :) I doubt that, as an answer chapter, it'll be that short - you'll be able to work out how many episodes it has when an episode title for Tsumihoroboshi shows up. Himatsubushi, on the other hand, is only 2.
What was the inspiration for Higurashi no Naku Koroni?
Explaining, if the idea of placing the plot in a rural village came from the experiences that one or many members of Ryukishi07 had in their childhood growing up in similar villages in the Japanese countryside.
What was the inspiration for Higurashi no Naku Koroni?
Explaining, if the idea of placing the plot in a rural village came from the experiences that one or many members of Ryukishi07 had in their childhood growing up in similar villages in the Japanese countryside.
I'm guessing quite a bit of Twin Peaks, infused with local folklore and traditions of rural villages. :heh:
(Looks like kj tossed my post into the game thread for the game-related contents ^^; , so I'll cut and paste this part back here)
What was the inspiration for Higurashi no Naku Koroni?
Explaining, if the idea of placing the plot in a rural village came from the experiences that one or many members of Ryukishi07 had in their childhood growing up in similar villages in the Japanese countryside.
I believe it was a time when he was into mini theatrical plays, and out of interest, he wrote some play scripts. Among them was a script called "Hinamizawa Bus Stop", which is a story that took place entirely at a bus stop. Coincidentally, Yatazakura-san (the programmer, Ryukishi07-san's brother) began studying Nscripter as well at this time, so the idea to clean up the "Hinamizawa Bus Stop" script and rewrite it in a novel style came up...
The script itself can be said to be Higurashi's essence: all the most important plot devices came from this play script. But it took a lot of planning and organizing for the story to become what we see in the games today.
Sunabouzu
2006-07-10, 05:57
i understand that the arcs are the same world but with differant happenings to give you answers so that you can solve the mystery.
But is the first arc something like a main-arc? And you have to see the other ones to fill the holes of this „main-arc“ ? because i think there have to be at least some kind of main story...
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well english is not my mother-tongue so forgive me for mistakes and maybe i have read something wrong...in that case just delete this post :P
LostBlue
2006-07-10, 11:27
In short, no. ;)
I would work backwards. Upto this pt I think majority of the clues are given to you.
ferthepoet
2006-07-14, 14:49
is the Fourth Chapter to be considered a prequel common to all 3 previous chapters, like if the events on the fourth chapter can be considered to have taken place on the past of the world despicted on each of the first 3 chapters?
LostBlue
2006-07-14, 15:16
Take the 4th chapter as you will - is the answer.
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Maybe I shouldn't be as cryptic.
It may or may not. Just like the other chapters, this is one possiblity in the world of Higurashi.
is the Fourth Chapter to be considered a prequel common to all 3 previous chapters, like if the events on the fourth chapter can be considered to have taken place on the past of the world despicted on each of the first 3 chapters?
Think about the talks between Keiichi and Takano/Tomitake about the serial murder events, and Mion's talk about the dam war, etc. in the previous chapters. The important thing is for you to notice the similarities between the chapters: what remained constant throughout all of them?
Still, I guess there's no need to think too much about Himatsubushi-hen, since there won't be a Minagoroshi-hen anyway.
Hmm, i was just wondering..
Do you ever get to see the Akasaka's character design in the game at all? The main reason i ask is because in the fan book i've got, you don't see him.. its just a black shade around his character.
Hmm, i was just wondering..
Do you ever get to see the Akasaka's character design in the game at all? The main reason i ask is because in the fan book i've got, you don't see him.. its just a black shade around his character.
Yes, he finally gets standing portraits in Minagoroshi-hen (pointlessly :heh: ). You can see him if you check the latest popularity vote (http://naderika.com/Cgi/vote/votecom4/ke4/ke4.htm), down at 9th place.
reptar300
2006-07-15, 15:59
in the TIPS thread....what are tips because as i was reading it seemed as if they were translating the game (which i hope im right because my japanese is that of a child) ...are these just moments in the game or are these the game translated ?
uhh yeah im a newbie
LostBlue
2006-07-15, 20:12
In the game inbetween every other cut-scene appears the TIPs.
These TIPs are information (support, or unsupported) that give you insight of certain elements in the story.
Many times they are written through a different person pt of view other than the main characters. They are there to help you solve the mystyery. It's up to you however to decided which TIPs are worth it's value.
Yes, he finally gets standing portraits in Minagoroshi-hen (pointlessly :heh: ). You can see him if you check the latest popularity vote (http://naderika.com/Cgi/vote/votecom4/ke4/ke4.htm), down at 9th place.
what is this poll exactly? and why is Rena all the way down at 5?? I expected her to be 1 or 2... is she unpopular?
anyhow, i had an actual question:
do the character designs vary much from the games to the manga to the anime?
or did they make it a point of keeping the designs constant?
(i guess i'm thinking in terms of other game to anime series where the characters looked quite different)
ALSO, more importantly:
Can someone post the titles of all the chapters with the RED part of the word displayed?... as in the series title "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" or the chapter title "Tatarigoroshi-hen"
They do put a part of each chapter title in red, too... right? i'm not just making that up, am i?
is this relevant?
I know I read this somewhere.. or maybe it was pointed out in the fansubs at some point in time.. but what are the flowers that are falling in the intro? I know they exists but I just can't think of their name...
Any input would be GREAT!
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If you want to play the game, BUY it and play through it with a Japanese dictionary on hand. Besides, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni isn't that expensive like an ero-game or consumer game anyway. If you can spare 1500 yen (plus shipping) you can get the whole question arc (Onikakushi-hen~Himatsubushi-hen) in one disc. And if you can spare another 1000 yen (plus shipping), you can get the answer arc that is out right now (Meakashi-hen~Minagoroshi-hen) in one disc as well.
I wonder, what would be a good source to buy these outside of Japan (e.g. in the US)? Would anyone care to provide links?
I can't find any on cdjapan or amazon.co.jp, or perhaps I am not looking in the right place.
Also, do these require Japanese Windows?
Himeyashop.com has lots of Dojin stuff, inclusive Higurashi, however their shipping prices are enourmous, so unless you're doing a bigger order its usually not completely worthwhile. Also: I've heard a horror story about one of their shipments but that may just be a one time thing and the mail's fault.
As for your question concerning japanese windows:
Depends entirely on your version of windows. With XP, 2000, NT and ME you can download language packs directly from windows update that inlude japanese text support. Then just set your system language to japanese before you start playing and all the text would show up fine.
Otherwise the game will run but you wont be ablr to see any text... kind of pointless to play higurashi without text tho..
I keep wanting to order but my japanese is essentially nonexistant.. so looking up every single word would be quite problematic. I would love to see the translation project go ahead, if they do it like the touhou translations and require ownership of the original, but provide a patch thatll work with that ^^
what is this poll exactly? and why is Rena all the way down at 5?? I expected her to be 1 or 2... is she unpopular?
It's just as I said, a popularity vote: official/non-official votes that take place for a certain periods of time that allow people to vote for their favorite characters over the internet.
That particular vote was the 4th official Higurashi popularity vote held on the game's official site (07th Storming Party), and took place between March 28th - April 8th 2006.
Rena used to be on top, back during the 1st popularity vote. But by the time Tatarigoroshi-hen came out, the spotlight has shifted to Mion, Keiichi and Satoko. By the time Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi-hen came out, Keiichi and Mion was pushed up to become the top two (to be fair, since Tsumihoroboshi-hen is Rena's story, she did manage to climb up from 4th in the 2nd pop. vote to 3rd in the 3rd pop. vote). In Minagoroshi-hen, everyone pretty much got an important role (especially Keiichi). In comparison, Rena sort of fell back to being a support character again, and so it was reflected in the 4th popularity vote.
anyhow, i had an actual question:
do the character designs vary much from the games to the manga to the anime?
or did they make it a point of keeping the designs constant?
(i guess i'm thinking in terms of other game to anime series where the characters looked quite different)
The design itself didn't change, but the art style is greatly different between the 3 media. Those character portraits you see in the popularity vote page are the official character arts used in the game.
ALSO, more importantly:
Can someone post the titles of all the chapters with the RED part of the word displayed?... as in the series title "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" or the chapter title "Tatarigoroshi-hen"
They do put a part of each chapter title in red, too... right? i'm not just making that up, am i?
is this relevant?
No, the chapter titles do not have reds in them.
']I know I read this somewhere.. or maybe it was pointed out in the fansubs at some point in time.. but what are the flowers that are falling in the intro? I know they exists but I just can't think of their name...
Any input would be GREAT!
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Some say they are pomegranates flowers, but it's not certain. I think the important thing is that they're falling. Falling flowers usually represent death (as is candle fires dying out).
I wonder, what would be a good source to buy these outside of Japan (e.g. in the US)? Would anyone care to provide links?
I can't find any on cdjapan or amazon.co.jp, or perhaps I am not looking in the right place.
Also, do these require Japanese Windows?
Himeya (http://www.himeyashop.com/) has them. They may be a little expensive compared to others, but I haven't had any problems with them.
Palet Mail (http://www.paletweb.com/) has them for cheaper, but their order process is a little more complicated.
You don't need the JP version of windows, but you do need to have Japanese language support (downloadable from microsoft's site). You may also need to set your system language/region settings to Japanese.
*Is confused*
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai is what arc(s) exactly? Is it just the first answer arc?
On the same note, the game in the following link
http://www.paletweb.com/selectpage.asp?code=9900000423
Is just the first question arc, right?
X_X
*Is confused*
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai is what arc(s) exactly? Is it just the first answer arc?
On the same note, the game in the following link
http://www.paletweb.com/selectpage.asp?code=9900000423
Is just the first question arc, right?
X_X
Kai (解, solve/answer) is the general name used to refer to the answer chapters of the game.
The "question" chapters (Higurashi no Naku Koroni) are:
- Onikakushi-hen
- Watanagashi-hen
- Tatarigoroshi-hen
- Himatsubushi-hen
The "answer" chapters (Higurashi no Naku Koroni Kai) are:
- Meakashi-hen
- Tsumihoroboshi-hen
- Minagoroshi-hen
- Matsuribayashi-hen
Refer to kj's post here for the game's past releases and packagings:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=411693&postcount=7
Remember, the latest disk for each arc will always contain the latest chapter PLUS all previous chapters in the arc. The paletweb link you gave was for the Himatsubushi-hen disk, which contains all 4 question arc chapters.
The current latest "answer" chapter is Minagoroshi-hen (released on 12/30/05), which contains itself + Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi-hen. The next and final chapter will be released at Comiket70 on August 13th. It will contain Matsuribayashi-hen, the concluding chapter of the game, as well as all the previous answer chapters.
I hope that's clear enough.
I knew that each new chapter had the previous ones, but the names of the disc just confused me. Thanks
Thanks for the info on the flowers Sushi-Y~! ^_^
No, the chapter titles do not have reds in them.
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/anicat/n1h/goro.png
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/anicat/n1h/aka.jpg
I think he's referring to the red titles in the Anime..
LostBlue
2006-07-31, 18:43
ah, well... all the Higurashi Chapter Titles follow this pattern:
(Kanji 1)(Kanji 2)(shi / し)
1) 鬼隠し Onikakushi
2) 綿流し Watanagashi
3) 祟殺し Tatarigoroshi
4) 暇潰し Himatsubushi
5) 目明し Meakashi
6) 罪滅し Tsumihoroboshi
7) 皆殺し Minagoroshi
8) 祭囃し Matsuribayashi
*) 鬼曝し Onisarashi (Kinda like a Tatarigoroshi followup)
*) 猫騙し Nekodamashi (I heard it's focused on the comedy - haven't read it)
*) 宵越し Yoigoshi (Takes place in present day Hinamizawa to replace Minagoroshi hen for its manga counter-part)
The first 8 are the Sound Novel Series. The * ones are extra chapters found in Manga format. Only the first 6 will be animated. So far the anime has always made the second kanji in red. Does it have any significance? Probably not as the Sound Novel does not follow this pattern. I also do not know what importance the red な in ひぐらしのなく頃に besides Ryukishi 07 stressing it is an integral part of the title.
This series is making me want to buy the question and answer chapters just incase I ever learn japanese or a translation patch is released. This game might be the reason I learn japanese... Though I'll definatly be spoiled for the last two chapters by the time I get to play them.
*) 宵越し Yoigoshi (Takes place in present day Hinamizawa to replace Minagoroshi hen for its manga counter-part)
It doesn't *replace* Minagoroshi-hen per se. It's simply another "side story" like Onisarashi-hen. A Minagoroshi-hen manga will probably come after Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi-hen manga serialization ends.
*) 猫騙し Nekodamashi (I heard it's focused on the comedy - haven't read it)
* ones are extra chapters found in Manga format.
x 猫騙し Nekodamashi
o 猫殺し Nekogoroshi
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4817/nekogaidenuh8.th.png (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nekogaidenuh8.png)
Nekogoroshi isn't really a manga, but a short story with illustrations. Half of it is indeed light-hearted comedy, but the second half features some serious contents too.
LostBlue
2006-08-01, 00:21
x 猫騙し Nekodamashi
o 猫殺し Nekogoroshi
ah, no wonder I couldn't find it. I remember reading something about its comedy before, and I remember the Neko in the title so I thought it'll have a cuter name. :heh:
Isn't there another novel too? Taking place at another high shcool in Shishibone years before the wonderful events in Hinamizawa?
I managed to get my copy of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni & Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai for ~$35 including EMS shipping from Paletweb. Great deal.
It definitely was, unfortunately it does not appear available now. Are there any shipping or some other coupons?
It appears that the prices are quite a bit higher than Japanese prices, plus of course there will be a shipping charge (which I couldn't find, do they at least combine shipping?)
I guess at this point it makes sense to at least wait until August 13 when Matsuribayashi is released...
rogueblade
2006-08-03, 04:49
Hmmm, how can it be that we're on the "Tsumihoroboshi" arc already, and yet the series is scheduled for 26 episodes? Is there really enough material in this arc to last for another 9 episodes?
LostBlue
2006-08-03, 09:39
Ah, the anime is still currently (EP 18) on Meakashi (chapter 5), and probably will be for another two episodes. Even if it was on Chapter 6 Tsumihoroboshi, ch6 has more than enough material to go 9 EPs. Personally, I rather it did (but most likely it'll be only six episodes). Tsumihoroboshi is a roller coaster from start from finish.
chrno_the_sinner
2006-08-04, 23:44
What comes with the first DVD. I know the Tips and 5 (?) cards come with it, but what about everything else? What about the extra disc?
Also, besides the obvious, what's the difference between the rental and retail editions of the DVD (besides the rental version looking all cool and such)? Are there still extras on the dvd itself in both editions? Or does the rental just have the episodes?
What comes with the first DVD. I know the Tips and 5 (?) cards come with it, but what about everything else? What about the extra disc?
Also, besides the obvious, what's the difference between the rental and retail editions of the DVD (besides the rental version looking all cool and such)? Are there still extras on the dvd itself in both editions? Or does the rental just have the episodes?
Lessee, referring to here (http://oyashirosama.com/web/item/index.htm#dvd):
1. 5 cards - a very happy Rika, a happy Satoko, a sunset Mion, an ominous Rena, and one of the DVD cover.
2. The TIPs. Apparently these'll be 'published in the back of the jacket'.
3. An artbook of sorts which appears to contain character sketches and the like.
4. "Hinamizawa Inquiry" mini soundtrack CD. No idea what that's supposed to mean.
5. The DVD. Obviously.
6. Proof of purchase... thing. Collect these and send them off to prove you've bought all the volumes and get something nice - storage for something, I think it's all the cards. I'd have preferred a DVD box but oh well.
Source for all this lot: http://shop.frontierworks.jp/detail.asp?merchcd=FCBP-0037
Can't wait for mine to arrive :)
The rental DVD will presumably just have the episodes, can't see why it'd have anything else. The site doesn't appear to say anything either way.
The first 8 are the Sound Novel Series. The * ones are extra chapters found in Manga format. Only the first 6 will be animated.
so they will not animate 7) 皆殺し Minagoroshi & 8) 祭囃し Matsuribayashi??
does this mean that anime only fans will not get the complete anwers?
will it be required to seek out these other media to solve the mystery?
oh, and thanks to all on the answers about the red kanji
so they will not animate 7) 皆殺し Minagoroshi & 8) 祭囃し Matsuribayashi??
does this mean that anime only fans will not get the complete anwers?
will it be required to seek out these other media to solve the mystery?
oh, and thanks to all on the answers about the red kanji
Like it says on the wiki, they won't animate either of them. The anime will stop at Tsumihoroboshi, and that does mean that people only watching the anime won't get all the answers. That much isn't really a problem to those animating it, as the Japanese audience can easily go and pick up the remaining sound novels. As for Matsuribayashi, that won't be out for a few more days, and when planning for the anime started Minagoroshi wasn't out either.
That's not entirely a bad thing though, can you imagine how much they'd have to squash everything up to fit Minagoroshi in? Not worth thinking about :heh:
FantasyWarz
2006-08-10, 10:46
Ahhh im new and i have a question :P I hope this is right right place><
I was watching Higuashi a few months ago and i got to the point where the main character kills himself. On the next ep, it shows that hes still alive..i got so confused..>.<
I stoped watching because my hard drive died ><
I started to watch again recently, and im still confused...Can anyone fill me in?>.<
Maybe i skipped a episode?=/
Ahhh im new and i have a question :P I hope this is right right place><
I was watching Higuashi a few months ago and i got to the point where the main character kills himself. On the next ep, it shows that hes still alive..i got so confused..>.<
I stoped watching because my hard drive died ><
I started to watch again recently, and im still confused...Can anyone fill me in?>.<
Maybe i skipped a episode?=/
Try reading the Q&A thread or do a search function to see if someone had asked a similar question before. You'll be amazed at how many people ask the same redundant questions over and over again.
For your reference:
Higurashi English wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni)
Sushi-Y's post #22 on this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=555620&postcount=22)
Pakxenon
2006-08-12, 04:15
I have a question....
Why didn't they put Tsumihoroboshi-hen(6a) instead of Meakashi-hen(5a) first? I was SOOOO confused going into ep15 because I thought they're showing the answer to Onikakushi-hen(1q), and then they were showing Shion running away from school.
(I like emo-Rena. I need emo-Rena!!!!)
I have a question....
Why didn't they put Tsumihoroboshi-hen(6a) instead of Meakashi-hen(5a) first? I was SOOOO confused going into ep15 because I thought they're showing the answer to Onikakushi-hen(1q), and then they were showing Shion running away from school.
(I like emo-Rena. I need emo-Rena!!!!)
Because that's the order they were presented in the game? ^^;
Just because the story is split into "question" and "answer" scenarios doesn't mean the answer chapters have to solve the mysteries of the question chapters in any particular order.
Here's a tip, don't try to think of the answer chapters as "the answer" to the question chapters. For example, don't think of Meakashi-hen as "the answer chapter of Watanagashi-hen", even though it's not necessarily wrong. Meakashi-hen is it's own chapter, it just happens to answer the mysteries in Watanagashi-hen, that's all.
Symmetry
2006-08-15, 12:30
In episode 19 we are given for the first time a clear view of the back of the person we're quite convinced is Mion, but there doesn't appear to be a tattoo. Some people have claimed this is a production mistake, and some people have claimed it is an important piece of information. Is it a production mistake?
Supergrunch
2006-08-15, 17:39
Here's a tip, don't try to think of the answer chapters as "the answer" to the question chapters. For example, don't think of Meakashi-hen as "the answer chapter of Watanagashi-hen", even though it's not necessarily wrong. Meakashi-hen is it's own chapter, it just happens to answer the mysteries in Watanagashi-hen, that's all.
Does that explain the slight differences in storyline? eg. in Watanagashi-hen, Shion saves Keiichi from the bikers, whereas in Meakashi-hen Keiichi saves Shion.
theacefrehley
2006-08-17, 16:14
Does that explain the slight differences in storyline? eg. in Watanagashi-hen, Shion saves Keiichi from the bikers, whereas in Meakashi-hen Keiichi saves Shion.
Both things might have happened
They just didn't show both events in both arcs (watanagashi and meakashi)
In meakashi they do not show how Shion and Keiichi met. Shion just says
"... And then I met Keiichi, he mistook me for Mion..." (whatever... something like this)
I think we can assume Shion saving Keiichi also happened in meakashi... (and Keiichi saving "Mion" as well)
Both things might have happened
They just didn't show both events in both arcs (watanagashi and meakashi)
In meakashi they do not show how Shion and Keiichi met. Shion just says
"... And then I met Keiichi, he mistook me for Mion..." (whatever... something like this)
I think we can assume Shion saving Keiichi also happened in meakashi... (and Keiichi saving "Mion" as well)
Think about it more. Did Keiichi and Shion really meet for the first time the same way in both chapters? How did they meet for the first time in Watanagashi-hen? Meakashi-hen? How likely is it for the same event (getting in trouble with delinquents for bumping into their bikes) to happen twice?
In the overall scheme of things, it probably doesn't really matter how they met, but it's still an important clue that hints you to the relationship between the two chapters.
Why is the "na" in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in red?
theacefrehley
2006-08-18, 07:12
Think about it more. Did Keiichi and Shion really meet for the first time the same way in both chapters? How did they meet for the first time in Watanagashi-hen? Meakashi-hen? How likely is it for the same event (getting in trouble with delinquents for bumping into their bikes) to happen twice?
In the overall scheme of things, it probably doesn't really matter how they met, but it's still an important clue that hints you to the relationship between the two chapters.
Hmm
Watanagashi ==> Angel Mort
Meakashi ==> Punks trouble
Well,
I just thought that Keiichi saving Shion (thinking it was Mion) could also have happened in Watanagashi-hen, but it wasn't shown.
It's because the story looks like the same as Watanagashi-hen, from the point of view of Shion. Or maybe we have some Twin Peaks going on here hehe :D
aliensporebomb
2006-08-18, 11:43
Multiple universes?
Multiple possibilities?
It's like a roll of the dice by the universe - every few episodes is like a
different facet on the same stone. Similar but different.
Thinking about the fact that the last two are not to be animated - maybe
next year they will do that if the demand is sufficient.
One of the greatest Higurashi mysteries....
1. Why Rena-chan goes gung-ho, reacting moe to everytime that listens to Rika-chan say ni-pa~?
One of the greatest Higurashi mysteries....
1. Why Rena-chan goes gung-ho, reacting moe to everytime that listens to Rika-chan say "nipa"?
Tsumihoroboshi-hen
Why is the "na" in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in red?
I would also like to know what that means. I guess it must have different meanings if you take it out.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________
Q. What does "Ni-pan" mean ?
Q. What does "Ni-pan" mean ?
x Ni-pan
o Ni-pa~
Answer: Onomatopoeia of smiling, in which Rika actually says it out for extreme moe~ness.
Supergrunch
2006-08-24, 18:21
x Ni-pan
o Ni-pa~
Answer: Onomatopoeia of smiling, in which Rika actually says it out for extreme moe~ness.
So what about Mi~?
Rasuberi
2006-08-24, 18:32
"Mi~" is another of the many onomatopoeia for noises a cat would make.
I've decided to take the plunge and watch Higurashi...
Somehow, I believe that this series will be like Narutaru all over again... Start out innocent but then suddenly become dark and sadistic.
Kisuke06
2006-08-31, 18:33
Just a simple question: the PS2 port of the game won't have Matsuribayashi-hen arc, but it will have 3 original arcs, this means that the PS2 port will have another ending, or it will have the same ending of the PC game? Or nothing has been mentioned?
Whats the Type-S mentionated in the TIPs?
Whats the Type-S mentionated in the TIPs?
Re-read TIPS #51 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=580005&postcount=51)
Those who have read more of the manga than which has been translated (if any), any chance you can post what some of the better penalty games are that wernt in the anime? (excluding ones already translated)
How old is Rena?1. Very first TIPS from in-game says her birthday is somewhere in July, and main story takes places in June.
2. Game doesn't explicitly say whether they're in junior high school or high school, but a manga adaption actually says it's junior high school.
3. Mion is school senior and who's gonna take entrance exam, and is in same age with Keiichi for couple of monthes before her birthday comes.
Adding up these evidence, we can safely assume that Keiichi is 14, Rena is 13 and Mion/Sion is 14.
Satoko, on the other hand... there are so few hint that it's not enough.
A TIPS in Tatarigoroshi says she was * years old(one digit, not two) at 1981 November.
- That means she should be no older than 11 at 1983 June and if she's 11, she'd probably be in fifth, or sixth grade of elementary school.
Rika... no hint at all, except; She was already in elementary school at 1978; no younger than fifth grade.
- I'd like to think she and Satoko are in same grade, then she'd be either 10, 11 or 12... but I really have no clue.
I've been wondering in the anime that after the ending credits for each episode air, the preview follows and a voice narrates, what I interpret to be, a poem that describes the theme for the next episode before 'she' announces the title for the following episode.
Is that the voice of Rika? or perhaps that of Frederica Bernkastel?
LostBlue
2006-09-21, 17:01
I would assume it's the anime's attempt at Frederica Bernkastel.
The Voice Actor, however, is the same as ______ :p hint:フルデリカ
Supergrunch
2006-09-21, 17:11
I would assume it's the anime's attempt at Frederica Bernkastel.
The Voice Actor, however, is the same as ______ :p hint:フルデリカ
That's no hint... its a straight out exposal. :p
Deathkillz
2006-09-23, 14:42
Q ~ is it true that the last 2 answer arcs arent gona be animated? (i read it in the ep24 thread)
Supergrunch
2006-09-23, 14:44
Q ~ is it true that the last 2 answer arcs arent gona be animated? (i read it in the ep24 thread)
Yes.
But apparently Minagoroshi-hen is getting translated.
karumofin
2006-09-24, 17:44
do we really have to rule out the possibility for a second season or something similar?
Hopeful Death
2006-09-25, 12:27
Is there a website that details the differences between the anime and the game, or maybe has a synopsis of what happens in the game?
Like Makenaidesuwayo, except they only have Onikakushi. I really enjoyed reading that.
Malintex_Terek
2006-09-28, 21:26
Is there enough information in the anime to figure out the central culprit of Higurashi, his/her motives, allies, and procedure?
theacefrehley
2006-09-28, 21:32
One of the greatest Higurashi mysteries....
1. Why Rena-chan goes gung-ho, reacting moe to everytime that listens to Rika-chan say "nipa"?Tsumihoroboshi-hen
Is it answered on ep. 26?
Because up to 25, nothing heheheh
This is more important than Oyashiro-Sama or the great disaster :D :D
LostBlue
2006-09-29, 00:00
Is it answered on ep. 26?
Because up to 25, nothing heheheh
This is more important than Oyashiro-Sama or the great disaster :D :D
This was answered at the beginning of Tsumihoroboshi.
Rena goes overboard purposely to forget her family situation.
It's her escape.
Is there enough information in the anime to figure out the central culprit of Higurashi, his/her motives, allies, and procedure?
With only the anime? Probably not. Even if you played through the original game (Onikakushi ~ Tsumihoroboshi) in its entirety with all the details and TIPs and everything, it'll still take a genius (or psychic) to be able to figure out all those things you stated.
Then again, finding the true culprit isn't really the goal of the story anyway. Rather, it's only one of the necessary things that we needed to know in order to achieve the true goal.
The true goal? It's all about Rika and her fate.
Keiichi no Hibi
2006-10-02, 21:25
Okay this has been confusing me for a while now. I think I know it, but just to clarify. Which Sonozaki sister was in the Angel Mort the first time Keiichi went there, Shion (meaning the one we know as Shion who likes Satoshi and not the "real" Shion or whatever that whole business is) or Mion (meaning the one we know as Mion, etc etc)? It was Mion, right?
And the one that gave Keiichi the boxed lunch was also Mion, correct?
Sorry if this was confusing :heh:
LostBlue
2006-10-03, 14:37
Okay this has been confusing me for a while now. I think I know it, but just to clarify. Which Sonozaki sister was in the Angel Mort the first time Keiichi went there, Shion (meaning the one we know as Shion who likes Satoshi and not the "real" Shion or whatever that whole business is) or Mion (meaning the one we know as Mion, etc etc)? It was Mion, right?
And the one that gave Keiichi the boxed lunch was also Mion, correct?
Sorry if this was confusing :heh:
Prior to the deaths of Watanagashi, Shion never assumed the identity of Mion aside Keiichi mistaking Shion for Mion when walking her out and bumping later into Mion. Here Shion never said she was Mion, and was just having fun with Keiichi knowing he hasn't figured it out.
Mion, on the other hand, assumed the idenity of Shion while giving him that lunch box because she was too embarassed to give it to him as herself.
Otherwise, the only other switch took place at the fateful night of Watanagashi which thereafter the murder spree took place, and then the final switch when "Shion" was rescued.
Hanyu and Hanyuu. I've seen it spelled both ways. If "Hanyu" is the correct way then why do so many people use Hanyuu?
Freakman
2006-10-03, 15:04
Hanyuu is the correct spelling.
LostBlue
2006-10-03, 15:12
Hanyuu is really the correct way to spell it via Romaji.
Same way that Ooishi is the correct way to spell Oishi via Romaji.
It's just for readability and an accepted way of writing when two identical vowels are line together like that.
Personally, I like writing Oishi and Hanyuu :p
Prior to the deaths of Watanagashi, Shion never assumed the identity of Mion aside Keiichi mistaking Shion for Mion when walking her out and bumping later into Mion. Here Shion never said she was Mion, and was just having fun with Keiichi knowing he hasn't figured it out.
Mion, on the other hand, assumed the idenity of Shion while giving him that lunch box because she was too embarassed to give it to him as herself.
Otherwise, the only other switch took place at the fateful night of Watanagashi which thereafter the murder spree took place, and then the final switch when "Shion" was rescued.
But that only applies to Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen. right? It seems like in episode 11 (Tatarigoroshi-hen) there was a moment when Shion answered a phone call from K1 as Mion. She knew details about Satoshi that only Shion should know.
bleh, K1 is right. Just being able to tell those two apart would be nice.
But that only applies to Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen. right? It seems like in episode 11 (Tatarigoroshi-hen) there was a moment when Shion answered a phone call from K1 as Mion. She knew details about Satoshi that only Shion should know.
bleh, K1 is right. Just being able to tell those two apart would be nice.
Shion would've been screwed in Watanagashi and Meakashi if they checked her back.
Kisuke06
2006-10-03, 16:09
I don't know if here is the right place to ask this, I didn't want to post this on "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" because there you are only supposed to post questions, so I tought that this would be a good place to post this. This post can be deleted if this is not in the right place.
Well, I just want to know if "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" thread will spoil too much, I mean I plan on playing translated games so I don't want to get too spoiled.
kj have warned that reading the TIPS thread following this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=694223&postcount=146) would spoil you if you plan on playing the translated games.
But at "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" thread kj just said that "questions like "So who killed Rika? What is the Hinamizawa Gas Disaster? Will be set aside since it spoils too much." That means that is it safe to read that thread(if you plan on playing the translated games)?
I just want to make sure. :)
I don't know if here is the right place to ask this, I didn't want to post this on "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" because there you are only supposed to post questions, so I tought that this would be a good place to post this. This post can be deleted if this is not in the right place.
Well, I just want to know if "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" thread will spoil too much, I mean I plan on playing translated games so I don't want to get too spoiled.
kj have warned that reading the TIPS thread following this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=694223&postcount=146) would spoil you if you plan on playing the translated games.
But at "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" thread kj just said that "questions like "So who killed Rika? What is the Hinamizawa Gas Disaster? Will be set aside since it spoils too much." That means that is it safe to read that thread(if you plan on playing the translated games)?
I just want to make sure. :)
Yep. We'll answer each of them discreetly, without giving away too much.
Keiichi no Hibi
2006-10-05, 11:09
I'm posting this here and not in the other thread because this one doesn't seem like it would fit in there. Anyway, I'm not sure if this has been answered or not, but I was rewatching Tatarigoroshi a while ago and I think someone said it was Shion on the phone when Keiichi called the Sonozaki house in episode 11, and how it was Shion who said he was acting like Satoshi. Now while it would make sense for her to play the part of "Mion" in that situation, when it showed her, she was dressed up as Mion too.
So my question is, do we know what Shion was doing as "Mion" at that time, since it wasn't the Watanagashi festival yet, if it even was Shion on the phone? Though if it wasn't, then the question would be how did Mion know about what Satoshi told Shion on the phone that day?
Something curious I spotted while rewatching Onikakushi-hen.
I noticed in the final animated arc that shortly before the pen/syringe debacle was explained the gang were playing a card game with a picture of a syringe on one of them. Someone chimed something to the extent of "the only thing left to figure out.." and I raised an eyebrow.
Now that I'm rewatching the series, I came across another curious possible allusion in episode two. They seemed to be playing something akin to Clue and they said "Rika did it with the poison in the medical office." Working on nothing but intuition, could this be foreshadowing her possible involvement in Dr. Irie's supposed suicides or is that too much of a stretch?
(Or maybe it's just referring to her administering the antidote, though the pairing of 'poison' and 'medical office' seem too suspicious)
So my question is, do we know what Shion was doing as "Mion" at that time, since it wasn't the Watanagashi festival yet, if it even was Shion on the phone? Though if it wasn't, then the question would be how did Mion know about what Satoshi told Shion on the phone that day?
My guess is that the person that answer keichii phone is Mion, as in how did Mion know about Satoshi's conversation with Shion.... well, Shion need to tell Mion about it so Mion will bring his sister to the festival right? (Even if it's Shion who brought Satoko to the festival, she still needs to explain to Mion the reason for switching right?)
Maybe Shion just happened to be over and Mion asked her to take some calls while she went to bed? As for dressing as Mion, if the scene suddenly showed someone dressed as Shion answering the phone it would be incredibly confusing to the audience who hadn't seen Meakashi-hen.
I don't think Shion would tell Mion something that would incriminate Satoshi. I mean, when the Sonozaki finally found out about Satoshi and Shion from the cops, they obviously weren't too happy.
Something curious after watching the whole anime:
What is the real reason behind Miyo's appearance during the Watanagashi Festival, even tho everytime they claim that she should've been dead at that time already?
theacefrehley
2006-10-16, 21:24
Something curious after watching the whole anime:
What is the real reason behind Miyo's appearance during the Watanagashi Festival, even tho everytime they claim that she should've been dead at that time already?
I think it means the burnt body wasn't hers
Her reasons? If you want some spoilers:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36807
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31732
good luck!
Khym Chanur
2006-11-04, 02:11
Some questions:
1) According to Wikipedia, the "kana kana" with which Rena often ends her sentences is an onomatopoeia for the sounds that the cicadas make. But according to the anime, putting "kana kana" after a sentence is something like adding "Huh? Huh?" after a sentence. Which is right?
2) I've read that "Higurashi" means something like "turning dark", and is used to refer to certain cicadas that start making their noises when it starts turning dark. Is this a species or genus of cicada native to Japan, or is any cicada that makes noise at that particular time a higurashi?
3) What is the "distinction" that Mion, Shion and her grandmother keep talking about? Punishment? Why didn't Rika understand it's use in context? Also, wasn't the tattoo on Mion's back called a distinction?
4) Did Yukie (Mamoru Akasaka's wife) used to live in Hinamizawa? One of the TIPS seems to imply so (though I can't remember which one).
5) In the first seven "games", there isn't any game play, you just keep on clicking to go from one scene to the next (so I've read; I haven't played the game). But the final chapter, Matsuribayashi-hen, seems to have some sort of gameplay to it. There are fifty pieces which can be read somewhat out of order, but not entirely, since some pieces must be read before others in order to unlock the other pieces. Then, after having read all of them, you somehow have to "put the pieces together", like some sort of mental jig-saw puzzle (at least, that's how I interpret the prologue). What's the gameplay for fitting the pieces together?
6) This refers to TIPS titled Note of Grudges? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=597453&postcount=63), and concerns spoilers for ep 12 (or maybe ep 13?)
In ep 12 or ep 13, Keiichi finds Satoko counting out loud; she'd in the low 5,000s, and says she's supposed to count until 10,000. According to the TIPS:
I was yelled for being too stinky.
I was yelled at for the food being too stinky.
He said that it stinks because I'm stinky.
He said that I stink because I don't take a bath.
He said that since I stink so much, I need to take a bath at least three times a day.
I was told that I have to stay in each of those baths for a long long time.
She was suffering a mild case of heat stroke from staying in the hot bath for a count of 5,000. If she stayed in for 10,000, she would have had a bad case of heat stroke, and if a previous step-father had punished her like this three times a day, she would have been hospitalized and the abuse discovered. So what am I missing?7) Someone had asked earlier about the ages of the main characters. From TIPS titled Keiichi's Past (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=681523&postcount=130) (spoilers for ep 25). A small quote (not much of a spoiler), from before Keiichi's family moved to Hinamizawa:
It was sort of a reactionory antipathy towards my parents who constantly bickered me to go to secondary school even when I have lost all interest in studying.
So, before moving, he was in 9th grade (since secondary school in Japan is 10th to 12th grades). The story arcs involving him take place in June. He moved to the village a month before, or in May. The Japanese school year starts in April. So, if the events described in "Keiichi's Past" took just one month (took place during April), and his family moved immediatly afterwards (at the beginning of May), then Keiichi is still in 9th grade. If the events took longer, and/or the family spent some time deciding where to move next, then he'd be in 10th grade.
EDIT:
8) Spoiler for ep 13:
At the end of ep 13, Hatoko pushes Keiichi off the bridge, yet the "rail" the wires formed would make this impossible, unless he somehow passed through the wires. I asumme that the anime messed things up. How did it happen in the game?
Supergrunch
2006-11-04, 08:33
Some questions:
1) According to Wikipedia, the "kana kana" with which Rena often ends her sentences is an onomatopoeia for the sounds that the cicadas make. But according to the anime, putting "kana kana" after a sentence is something like adding "Huh? Huh?" after a sentence. Which is right?
2) I've read that "Higurashi" means something like "turning dark", and is used to refer to certain cicadas that start making their noises when it starts turning dark. Is this a species or genus of cicada native to Japan, or is any cicada that makes noise at that particular time a higurashi?
3) What is the "distinction" that Mion, Shion and her grandmother keep talking about? Punishment? Why didn't Rika understand it's use in context? Also, wasn't the tattoo on Mion's back called a distinction?
4) Did Yukie (Mamoru Akasaka's wife) used to live in Hinamizawa? One of the TIPS seems to imply so (though I can't remember which one).
5) In the first seven "games", there isn't any game play, you just keep on clicking to go from one scene to the next (so I've read; I haven't played the game). But the final chapter, Matsuribayashi-hen, seems to have some sort of gameplay to it. There are fifty pieces which can be read somewhat out of order, but not entirely, since some pieces must be read before others in order to unlock the other pieces. Then, after having read all of them, you somehow have to "put the pieces together", like some sort of mental jig-saw puzzle (at least, that's how I interpret the prologue). What's the gameplay for fitting the pieces together?
6) This refers to TIPS titled Note of Grudges? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=597453&postcount=63), and concerns spoilers for ep 12 (or maybe ep 13?)
In ep 12 or ep 13, Keiichi finds Satoko counting out loud; she'd in the low 5,000s, and says she's supposed to count until 10,000. According to the TIPS:
She was suffering a mild case of heat stroke from staying in the hot bath for a count of 5,000. If she stayed in for 10,000, she would have had a bad case of heat stroke, and if a previous step-father had punished her like this three times a day, she would have been hospitalized and the abuse discovered. So what am I missing?7) Someone had asked earlier about the ages of the main characters. From TIPS titled Keiichi's Past (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=681523&postcount=130) (spoilers for ep 25). A small quote (not much of a spoiler), from before Keiichi's family moved to Hinamizawa:
So, before moving, he was in 9th grade (since secondary school in Japan is 10th to 12th grades). The story arcs involving him take place in June. He moved to the village a month before, or in May. The Japanese school year starts in April. So, if the events described in "Keiichi's Past" took just one month (took place during April), and his family moved immediatly afterwards (at the beginning of May), then Keiichi is still in 9th grade. If the events took longer, and/or the family spent some time deciding where to move next, then he'd be in 10th grade.
EDIT:
8) Spoiler for ep 13:
At the end of ep 13, Hatoko pushes Keiichi off the bridge, yet the "rail" the wires formed would make this impossible, unless he somehow passed through the wires. I asumme that the anime messed things up. How did it happen in the game?
1- both.
8- IIRC, in the game, it was a tiny rope bridge. (not having got this far in the game, was it the bridge going to the rubbish heap?)
Klashikari
2006-11-04, 10:07
1) According to Wikipedia, the "kana kana" with which Rena often ends her sentences is an onomatopoeia for the sounds that the cicadas make. But according to the anime, putting "kana kana" after a sentence is something like adding "Huh? Huh?" after a sentence. Which is right?
we would need Ryukishi07-san to answer this :heh:
there are a lots of possible reasons :
-the cicada
-rhym for her first "kana"
-like you said, some personnal onomatopia for "huh?" or "right right?"
i'll pass the second question ^^;
3) What is the "distinction" that Mion, Shion and her grandmother keep talking about? Punishment? Why didn't Rika understand it's use in context? Also, wasn't the tattoo on Mion's back called a distinction?the distinction is an act to prove to sonozaki family that you have redemeeded yourself, and you will not betray their trust anymore etc.
I would assume that this kind of things is reserved for sonozaki matter, and it's kinda their dark side i would say.
4) Did Yukie (Mamoru Akasaka's wife) used to live in Hinamizawa? One of the TIPS seems to imply so (though I can't remember which one).errr, i can't find anything about that :s
5) In the first seven "games", there isn't any game play, you just keep on clicking to go from one scene to the next (so I've read; I haven't played the game). But the final chapter, Matsuribayashi-hen, seems to have some sort of gameplay to it. There are fifty pieces which can be read somewhat out of order, but not entirely, since some pieces must be read before others in order to unlock the other pieces. Then, after having read all of them, you somehow have to "put the pieces together", like some sort of mental jig-saw puzzle (at least, that's how I interpret the prologue). What's the gameplay for fitting the pieces together?no in fact, you are just reading the pieces under a specific order.
if you try to read an unavailable piece, the "game" will simply mark it as unavailable (the thumbnail of the piece will turn into a broken glass)
when a piece become available later, you will see a bright blue border around the broken glass.
you won't have anything to "put together", in fact, you are already putting them together, which permit you to read further pieces.
6) This refers to TIPS titled Note of Grudges? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=597453&postcount=63), and concerns spoilers for ep 12 (or maybe ep 13?)
In ep 12 or ep 13, Keiichi finds Satoko counting out loud; she'd in the low 5,000s, and says she's supposed to count until 10,000. According to the TIPS:
She was suffering a mild case of heat stroke from staying in the hot bath for a count of 5,000. If she stayed in for 10,000, she would have had a bad case of heat stroke, and if a previous step-father had punished her like this three times a day, she would have been hospitalized and the abuse discovered. So what am I missing?errr... what do you mean in this question? :heh:
8) Spoiler for ep 13:
At the end of ep 13, Satoko pushes Keiichi off the bridge, yet the "rail" the wires formed would make this impossible, unless he somehow passed through the wires. I asumme that the anime messed things up. How did it happen in the game?i would assume you didn't see how the game work, in fact, it's rather simple : you will see a photo as the background, and the text in front of it, with sometimes the character CG.
i didn't try tatraigoroshi yet, but the cg would or wouldn't show how the bridge is in the original story.
David Johnston
2006-11-12, 18:18
Is there enough information in the anime to figure out the central culprit of Higurashi, his/her motives, allies, and procedure?
There is enough information in the anime to figure out the central culprit and at least part of the procedure. There isn't enough information to determine motive.
The _first_ thought I had when I learned that Takano had supposedly been burned was that she wasn't really dead and the reason to burn the corpse was to obscure identification. Once Oishii told us that the corpse was dead well before Takano was seen alive, the obvious conclusion is that Takano is not the corpse and therefore Takano was Tomitake's killer. Once you keep track of her constantly shifting array of horror stories, all designed to exploit the psychological weaknesses of the immediate audience you can surmise that she is deliberately trying to turn people in the village against each other or possibly against the Sonozaki in particular.
The Memorial blogger for Higurashi by the end had concluded that Takano was the villain, and that she was spreading and exploiting a disease that makes people vulnerable to paranoia, and that she was doing it because she hated the village for some reason having to do with the village's ritually cannibalistic past. He did not clue into the men in grey being government agents, something I guessed at, but didn't connect up with Takano.
dspr8_rugged
2007-01-08, 23:59
I actually read this question from another forum...
Q: Why is Mion carrying a gun with her all the time, and why NO ONE has a problem with that?
I noticed in SaiGar one of the Higurashi representatives was a Mr. Delicious.
Who is that again?
I noticed in SaiGar one of the Higurashi representatives was a Mr. Delicious.
Who is that again?
Oh my god, don't tell me people still think Oishi means Mr. Delicious. Whom ever propagated this equation in the first place should be drug out to the street and shot for their incomprehension of basic Japanese.
Oishi is written in kanji as 大石 (big stone), and it is a fairly common Japanese family name. There is no relation to Oishii (kanji written as 美味しい) which is different syllable wise and intonation wise.
Q: Why is Mion carrying a gun with her all the time, and why NO ONE has a problem with that?It's a toy gun. Guns are illegal in Japan, so they have some pretty realistic toys and models. This (http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h47619961) one will look familiar if you've seen Black Lagoon. I bought a cheap grey model one in Japan that would get me in trouble if I took it out in public and started waving it around (I live in the USA).
Klashikari
2007-01-09, 05:23
Oh my god, don't tell me people still think Oishi means Mr. Delicious. Whom ever propagated this equation in the first place should be drug out to the street and shot for their incomprehension of basic Japanese.
Oishi is written in kanji as 大石 (big stone), and it is a fairly common Japanese family name. There is no relation to Oishii (kanji written as 美味しい) which is different syllable wise and intonation wise.
Well... it was maybe a joke to begin with (it is kinda common on hinamizawa club, but it is known... i hope :heh: )
it appears some people were taking it too seriously, and don't really pay attention to the possible "~ / ^ " stress mark on the o (or an addionnal o) , instead of the double i (but well... since most people don't really know / pay attention to the slight difference, they would most likely take theses words as homonyms for an even bigger confusion ).
and yeah...it is sad, but the intonation isn't really something you can notice if you actually "think" you are right XD
theacefrehley
2007-01-09, 10:05
i would assume you didn't see how the game work, in fact, it's rather simple : you will see a photo as the background, and the text in front of it, with sometimes the character CG.
i didn't try tatraigoroshi yet, but the cg would or wouldn't show how the bridge is in the original story.
The background photos were taken from a real city, if the game shows the bridge, it will be something like this (of course blurred):
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6665/050515g0bh3.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=050515g0bh3.jpg)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6947/06061815kd6.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06061815kd6.jpg)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8788/06061841xy6.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06061841xy6.jpg)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4669/06061842yt1.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06061842yt1.jpg)
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/930/06061843ls8.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06061843ls8.jpg)
Supergrunch
2007-01-09, 14:28
Isn't this the bridge?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b57/Supergrunch/bridge.jpg
Also, I didn't realise anyone seriously thought Oishi-san meant Mr. Delicious...
Klashikari
2007-01-09, 14:43
Isn't this the bridge?
yeah. that one.
another SS with more details
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3871/bridgene8.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bridgene8.jpg)
as we can see, keiichi would hardly fall from this kind of bridge... except if satoko was really sqeezing him while pushing him :heh: (sounds like ryukishi didn't pay attention to the CG XD)
in conclusion : it is too bad that studio DEEN was faithful with the original story for this kind of detail (read : mistake), and not on others things XD
Also, I didn't realise anyone seriously thought Oishi-san meant Mr. Delicious...well, you could see this joke on several anime blogs, but since people aren't that good with sarcasm on the net, meh...
i guess some guys also deduce it was "delicious" with their... almighty "anime japanese" knowledge (pay attention to the emphasis) and listening comprehension XD (i won't deny it, i kinda rely on it sometimes, if i don't have the choice but... :heh:)
Well, Keiichi falling over the bridge is quite critical to the whole Tatarigoroshi theme. Actually, I'm suprised that they didn't show what happened after he was saved in the anime.
That aside, I have always wondered how Satoko could've pushed Keiichi down. Maybe she planted a springboard trap on the bridge :heh:
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me!
So Oishi will be going up against Master Asia from Gundam and Yagami Light from Death Note on the 18th if anyone wants to vote for him. Stiff competition though T_T
(Also K1 will be duking it out with Bright Noa and Heinrich Lunge in round 2 on the 30th.)
Ok, so I want to understand this piece of work yet I do not want to watch it. I don't mind if someone spoils the ending for me (Please do), and can someone provide a website that has some in depth analysis and detailed explanation about the plot?
It sounds interesting and all however I hear it is extremely disturbing and I don't exactly like seeing finger nails being ripped off (Hammering a nail into someone's skull and limbs being torn off is alright), so I'd rather not watch it.
Klashikari
2007-01-25, 07:48
Ok, so I want to understand this piece of work yet I do not want to watch it. I don't mind if someone spoils the ending for me (Please do), and can someone provide a website that has some in depth analysis and detailed explanation about the plot?
It sounds interesting and all however I hear it is extremely disturbing and I don't exactly like seeing finger nails being ripped off (Hammering a nail into someone's skull and limbs being torn off is alright), so I'd rather not watch it.
honestly, i'm not a "gore lover", and HNNKN has very few of this kind of scene, most of them suggered.
the only very "disturbing scene" is indeed the nail one, but you can skip it.
in general, the insanity isn't really something random, you will see some changes over the time, which will give you hints etc about what realy happened in HNNKN.
nevertherless, spoiling HNNKN is just a waste, because you are ruining like 40-50% of the impact of the story.
Supergrunch
2007-01-25, 13:15
honestly, i'm not a "gore lover", and HNNKN has very few of this kind of scene, most of them suggered.
the only very "disturbing scene" is indeed the nail one, but you can skip it.
in general, the insanity isn't really something random, you will see some changes over the time, which will give you hints etc about what realy happened in HNNKN.
nevertherless, spoiling HNNKN is just a waste, because you are ruining like 40-50% of the impact of the story.
I was watching that nail scene with headphones, and my sister who was sitting about 5 metres away, asked me what all the screaming was about. :p
But seriously, Higurashi is great, even if you don't like gore, and you'll also ruin it if you spoil yourself.
theacefrehley
2007-01-25, 19:52
Ok, so I want to understand this piece of work yet I do not want to watch it. I don't mind if someone spoils the ending for me (Please do), and can someone provide a website that has some in depth analysis and detailed explanation about the plot?
It sounds interesting and all however I hear it is extremely disturbing and I don't exactly like seeing finger nails being ripped off (Hammering a nail into someone's skull and limbs being torn off is alright), so I'd rather not watch it.
If you don't want to watch it but want to know about the story, then how about reading it?
http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/higurashi_no_naku_koro_ni/index.html
Good luck!
This blog has all the 26 episodes commented
after that you can read the TIPs and pieces here and voila:
You will be into the story.
(The blog is not mine)
For sometime now this has been bugging me, but it wasn't until recently that I've really gotten curious. Do Mion and Shion really love each other -that- way, or is the whole thing just done for fanservice? I mean, I know people joke about scenes and sometimes try and pull stuff out of their butts to support it, but I honestly didn't see anything. Not only did both girls have a guy they liked, but the only questionable scene I remember was when Shion is ontop of Mion...and what looked like a kiss there just turned out to be her laying her head against the other.
So could anyone please fill me in? Because up until now I've just been regarding most of the official pictures of them together as fanservice, but when that one regular edition DVD volume came out...kinda made me wonder.
Klashikari
2007-01-29, 09:56
For sometime now this has been bugging me, but it wasn't until recently that I've really gotten curious. Do Mion and Shion really love each other -that- way, or is the whole thing just done for fanservice? I mean, I know people joke about scenes and sometimes try and pull stuff out of their butts to support it, but I honestly didn't see anything. Not only did both girls have a guy they liked, but the only questionable scene I remember was when Shion is ontop of Mion...and what looked like a kiss there just turned out to be her laying her head against the other.
So could anyone please fill me in? Because up until now I've just been regarding most of the official pictures of them together as fanservice, but when that one regular edition DVD volume came out...kinda made me wonder.
the answer is simple : no, there isn't any incestuous/yuri relationship around the both of them.
The scene you are talking about was simply very emotionnal, since they were bursting their feelings about
Satoshi's disappearance, and the sonozaki's implication in this case, although Shion paid the price during the "nail" scene.
Shion snapped, grabbed mion, pushed her down and was about to strangle her, until she noticed mion's nails ripped off.
Shion just realized how foolish she was, and how her sister Mion was dedicated to her and utterly guilty, even putting her own sake into the stage, while she "seemed" to be on Oryou's side.
She calmed down, and hugged her, as a sign of forgiveness (in the both ways) and also to calm mion
the DVD cover and other "official" material are just fanservice, nothing more, nothing less.
gummybear
2007-03-24, 14:01
Sorry to ask this so late but I didn't get to watch this till last week.
I am rather confuse about the show and the ending. So did any of the murders happen or just roleplaying game? I am so confused :confused:
Supergrunch
2007-03-24, 16:52
The murders really happened.
harukamae
2007-03-25, 05:17
OK This is really driving me nuts so I could use some help. I've seen people posting all over about this and saying it was proven in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, but I don't recall any evidence of-
The syringe from Onikakushi-hen actually being a marker?! I know there's a punishment game in which they draw on K1 with a marker, but when is it ever said that that was the syringe? And furthermore, what about Rika's syringe from Meakashi-hen?
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I've been flipping through threads and haven't found an answer, so if it is true and you guys are burnt out discussing it, could someone point me to the appropriate episode or TIPs?
theacefrehley
2007-03-25, 05:50
OK This is really driving me nuts so I could use some help. I've seen people posting all over about this and saying it was proven in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, but I don't recall any evidence of-
The syringe from Onikakushi-hen actually being a marker?! I know there's a punishment game in which they draw on K1 with a marker, but when is it ever said that that was the syringe? And furthermore, what about Rika's syringe from Meakashi-hen?
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I've been flipping through threads and haven't found an answer, so if it is true and you guys are burnt out discussing it, could someone point me to the appropriate episode or TIPs?
In episode 25 there is a flashback of Keiichi, showing it
In the flashback the syringe turns into a marker
Rika's Syringe is too much spoiler...
Klashikari
2007-03-25, 06:20
like theacefrehley said, it was answered in ep25, when keiichi had his... "ephiphany" about what really happened in Onikakushi. (just after he told his past to the girls)
as for Rika's Syringue, you should read this TIPS (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=681486&postcount=129)
not really a spoiler, since it is supposed to be a part of tsumihoroboshi which the anime skipped. it should give you some clues.
but anyway, it is explained in Minagoroshi.
Further elaborate on the marker:
I think most of these scene were cut out in the anime, but in the game, Mion said "I'll make you end up like Tomitake" before apporaching with the "syringe" in Onikakushi (I think in the anime they changed the line to "So that you will feel better soon"). At that point, Keiichi (and probably most of the readers) all thought that "end up like Tomitake" means death.
However, in Onikakushi-hen, during the festival, Tomitake recieved a batsu-game from the club members: They drew on his shirt with a marker, with words of encouragements, for Tomitake to bring home (since he was suppose to go back to Tokyo the day after). If one think about that scene, we can see that Mion really meant to cheer up Keiichi like they did for Tomitake.
harukamae
2007-03-27, 07:27
Thanks guys, I went back and watched 25 as well as read the TIPS...
Now I can sleep at night knowing the truth of the marker...
...now if only I could find a fiesta and get me a popsicle...
dspr8_rugged
2007-04-03, 20:46
I made a mistake by asking a question in the other Q&A thread, considering that it was for the games only, and here I am again to ask that question:
Is there a site that has translations of the Drama CDs or the game itself?
theacefrehley
2007-04-04, 06:21
I made a mistake by asking a question in the other Q&A thread, considering that it was for the games only, and here I am again to ask that question:
Is there a site that has translations of the Drama CDs or the game itself?
http://zettai.makenaidesuwayo.com/
http://zettai.makenaidesuwayo.com/club/index.php
dspr8_rugged
2007-04-05, 08:18
I'll rephrase my question: Is there a site that has translations to the game scripts or the drama CDs, similar to SuzuHaru's Baka-Tsuki?
chrno_the_sinner
2007-04-06, 20:38
No. Ayyo's blog (makenaidesuwayo.com) used to have an aricle on what was missing from the anime, but he took his blog down completely.
If you want to see what was taken out the best way is to look through the first couple pages of each episode thread. SushiY usually put a list of how the episode did and a vauge idea of what was taken out.
sasuke13
2007-07-10, 12:29
Since there's so many fansub's coming out, anybody suggest which one to choose and why?
chrno_the_sinner
2007-07-12, 01:13
Since there's so many fansub's coming out, anybody suggest which one to choose and why?
Normally, WinD would be the way to go, since they usually put out fast subs that became accurate as time went on, since people who played the game helped out translate.
Since they haven't released anything yet, I'd go with Shinsen for the moment, but I'm ready to switch to Hauu if they stay consistent or get better.
Pardon my ignorance and lack of motivation to attempt reading all the posts at this thread, but anyone here knows for how many episodes the second Higurashi series is going to run?
Higurashi Kai will have 24 episodes.
SeventhHS
2007-07-23, 03:06
Okay, a long time ago on Google Image Search, I saw a Higurashi game screenshot of a woman who looked vaguely like Hanyuu. However, she was older, had no horns and a number of white tails. Could have easily been fake. I didn't save the image and can no longer find it. :(
Since then, I've seen a character that resembles a more loli version of her in a number of placer, usually with elflike ears- http://bad-end.org/kareha/src/1176697042792.jpg or http://rinrin.saiin.net/~moonlight/oya.html for instance. She is often referred to as Oyashiro-sama (written... well, my Japanese won't input properly on this forum, but it's the kanji for "tail eight white." Pretty obvious, huh?)
My main question: is she official or a fan invention? I'd appreciate any other information anyone has on her, though.
Note: the above is not about auau-tan.
chrno_the_sinner
2007-07-23, 16:19
Okay, a long time ago on Google Image Search, I saw a Higurashi game screenshot of a woman who looked vaguely like Hanyuu. However, she was older, had no horns and a number of white tails. Could have easily been fake. I didn't save the image and can no longer find it. :(
Since then, I've seen a character that resembles a more loli version of her in a number of placer, usually with elflike ears- http://bad-end.org/kareha/src/1176697042792.jpg or http://rinrin.saiin.net/~moonlight/oya.html for instance. She is often referred to as Oyashiro-sama (written... well, my Japanese won't input properly on this forum, but it's the kanji for "tail eight white." Pretty obvious, huh?)
My main question: is she official or a fan invention? I'd appreciate any other information anyone has on her, though.
Note: the above is not about auau-tan.
As far as I know, that is a fan-made character made to represent Oyashiro-sama before Hanyuu was introduced. She was in that Higurashi/Lucky Star video too.
kingsky123
2007-07-24, 12:32
sorry i do not know where to post this question but : Can Hanyuu get killed?
Scribble
2007-07-25, 08:55
I was wondering: do the next few arcs focus on specific characters, like the first season did? I know there's an emphasis on Rika, but will we get to see more Rena, Mion, Shion and Satoko in the spotlight?
It'd be cool if the last few arcs focused on everyone's "efforts", as the story is coming to an end. I particularly would like to see Rena in the spotlight again =(
Klashikari
2007-07-25, 09:43
I was wondering: do the next few arcs focus on specific characters, like the first season did? I know there's an emphasis on Rika, but will we get to see more Rena, Mion, Shion and Satoko in the spotlight?
It'd be cool if the last few arcs focused on everyone's "efforts", as the story is coming to an end. I particularly would like to see Rena in the spotlight again =(
You will see by yourself. but as tiny hint, do you believe Rika alone will be able to shatter this fate?
i think the answer is self explanatory for your question ^^
Makahari2000
2007-07-26, 16:21
Question : Is Saikoroshi-hen canon, or just an alternate ending?
If it's canon I may have to cry a little. :(
Christen
2007-07-26, 21:28
Ok, I started as an anime-watcher for Higurashi and recently I'm clearing up things for me to be able to understand what the anime has shown so far (which means I have little to no idea with Minagoroshi-hen or Matsuribayashi-hen). So I read TIPS to supplement everything.
Anyway, I just want to clear up things in Onikakushi-hen. From what I know, Keichi was delirious which led him to the murder of Rena and Mion. However, I need explanations/confirmations on these items. Though, if you think the answer will spoil too much for me, just do tell. :D
1. Rena was worked up with Keichi knowing details of the dam incident. Was there a reason for this? Or is it just another of his delusions?
2. Mion said she should have killed Ooishi back then, reality or delusion? If it was real, can anyone explain without spoiling me too much?
3. Rena delivering lunch to Keichi. Before I didn't know why she would joke around like that. But is it a joke related to the zombie game (which I just learned was supposed to be shown in Onikakushi-hen).
4. The needle in the onigiri? Just a delusion?
5. When Keiichi meets Rena in the road with a hatchet, can explain why? And why those two henchmen are chasing after him? Or were they chasing after Rena?
6. Last question, do I assume that Rena did kill Rina and Satoko's uncle in Onikakushi-hen?
Shion's Sanity
2007-07-26, 21:40
1. Rena was worked up with Keichi knowing details of the dam incident. Was there a reason for this? Or is it just another of his delusions?
What exact moment are you referring to?
2. Mion said she should have killed Ooishi back then, reality or delusion? If it was real, can anyone explain without spoiling me too much?
I have no idea. If it were real, remember who her family is. She would have been mad about him making her out as a murderer to Keiichi.
3. Rena delivering lunch to Keichi. Before I didn't know why she would joke around like that. But is it a joke related to the zombie game (which I just learned was supposed to be shown in Onikakushi-hen).
Joke around like what?
4. The needle in the onigiri? Just a delusion?
Seemingly, a delusion.
5. When Keiichi meets Rena in the road with a hatchet, can explain why? And why those two henchmen are chasing after him? Or were they chasing after Rena?
Possibly an illusion, but maybe she was carrying it to the junkyard to finish getting out her "treasure". As to why they were chasing him, I'm not sure, so let's assume that goes in the "major spoiler" category.
6. Last question, do I assume that Rena did kill Rina and Satoko's uncle in Onikakushi-hen?
Why would you assume that?O_o
Christen
2007-07-26, 22:05
1. What exact moment are you referring to?
The part where she's suspicious of Keiichi hiding the fact that Ooishi approached him.
3. Joke around like what?
I meant dinner btw ^^;; Anyway, the one where she insists Keiichi to let her enter.
6. Why would you assume that?O_o
Err, just a thought. ^^;
Ok, I started as an anime-watcher for Higurashi and recently I'm clearing up things for me to be able to understand what the anime has shown so far (which means I have little to no idea with Minagoroshi-hen or Matsuribayashi-hen). So I read TIPS to supplement everything.
Anyway, I just want to clear up things in Onikakushi-hen. From what I know, Keichi was delirious which led him to the murder of Rena and Mion. However, I need explanations/confirmations on these items. Though, if you think the answer will spoil too much for me, just do tell. :D
1. Rena was worked up with Keichi knowing details of the dam incident. Was there a reason for this? Or is it just another of his delusions?
2. Mion said she should have killed Ooishi back then, reality or delusion? If it was real, can anyone explain without spoiling me too much?
3. Rena delivering lunch to Keichi. Before I didn't know why she would joke around like that. But is it a joke related to the zombie game (which I just learned was supposed to be shown in Onikakushi-hen).
4. The needle in the onigiri? Just a delusion?
5. When Keiichi meets Rena in the road with a hatchet, can explain why? And why those two henchmen are chasing after him? Or were they chasing after Rena?
6. Last question, do I assume that Rena did kill Rina and Satoko's uncle in Onikakushi-hen?
1. Rena wasn't worked up becuase Keiichi was finding out the details. She's worked up becuase he's lying to her. Recall that Rena is a good detective. As for being worked up, it's most likely becuase of Keiichi's paranoia state that amplified the statements.
2. Can't be sure if she really said that or not. She could've said that as a joke (again, with the paranoia amplification), or Keiichi just plain imagined that.
3. Started out as a joke, as Rena was probably enjoying the fact that Keiichi being confused as to why Rena knew about his house was empty and that he was having cup noodle for dinner. Of course, at that time Keiichi did not respond to the joke well, as he thought that Rena was spying on him. However, if you consider that Keiichi's parents were getting along with Rena well, it's not weird for Rena to know that his parents were gone for that day and that Keiichi were eating cup noodles for dinner.
4. In Minagoroshi-hen, a theory was present that proved the needle was actually not in the ohagi.
5. Treasure hunting. Rena has even said that in the game, and in Tsumihoroboshi-hen that we know that a way for Rena to vent her sad feelings is to go treasure hunting. As for the henchmen...not sure. Lots of theory are present, from cops to Sonozaki family members to just plain villagers. The theory that I believe is linked to Irie, and the theory itself is Matsuribayashi-hen material.
6. Probably not. Rena doesn't show symptoms that was present in Tsumihoroboshi-hen after she killed Rina and Teppei. (That being fatique, skipping club activites to go 'treasure hunting')
Christen
2007-07-26, 22:54
Woah, thank you for those answers. I'm trying to avoid Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuribayashi-hen materials for the time being.
Aside from that, are there any important details shown in the game in the first six chapters that were not shown in the anime nor the TIPS?
Shion's Sanity
2007-07-27, 01:21
I know this sounds like a repeat of the same old question, but it's not really. Is there a better explanation on the different Hinamizawas? At first, I had thought it was just time reversing back to the beginning of June, but that was eventually proven wrong. Some people have said parallel universes, but that can't be it either. Parallel universes would thus mean different Rika's and so on. And in Rena's arc, Keiichi is clearly able to remember his actions in another "arc", which again throws doubt on the parallel universes theory. So what is the answer? Or, is it likely it will be explained in the anime?
Klashikari
2007-07-27, 05:26
I know this sounds like a repeat of the same old question, but it's not really. Is there a better explanation on the different Hinamizawas? At first, I had thought it was just time reversing back to the beginning of June, but that was eventually proven wrong. Some people have said parallel universes, but that can't be it either. Parallel universes would thus mean different Rika's and so on. And in Rena's arc, Keiichi is clearly able to remember his actions in another "arc", which again throws doubt on the parallel universes theory. So what is the answer? Or, is it likely it will be explained in the anime?
basically speaking, getting back to square one doesn't mean the same events will happen again. various factors like luck/randomness, slight difference due Rika intervention etc. This is can be resumed more likely with the Butterfly Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect)
This should be answered in Minagoroshi, but it isn't really that important in the plot : Rika mentions this as a "dice roll".
Question : Is Saikoroshi-hen canon, or just an alternate ending?
Saikoroshi is not an alternate ending. It's more like an elaborate epilogue to what happened after Chap 08 Matsuribayashi-hen. Yes, it is canon.
1. Rena was worked up with Keichi knowing details of the dam incident. Was there a reason for this? Or is it just another of his delusions?
To add a bit more to what's already been said. Just think about it after knowing what you know about Rena's family life in Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Keiichi confronts her saying, you hiding something from me. Yes, Rena was. She kept her family life separate from her school life and didn't even left Mion know anything about it. So when Keiichi kept on prying (unwittingly), she kinda snapped. This is in addition to what Rias said above.
We know Rina relationship with her father happened in this chapter b/c Rina's relationship with her father is what causes Rena to find an escape away from her home which takes form as her Treasure Hunting.
Or are you talking about before this at the trash mounds (before Tomitake makes his entrance)? Both Mion and Rena avoid the issue as explained in Tatarigoroshi-hen. Put yourself in the position of Mion and Rena. When do you think it's appropriate to mention that the the other two girls in the group don't have parents? When should you explain the reasons for their parents' death and the eerie mystery around it? Keiichi just moved to the village. Satoko just finally started to get over her various lost. It's a topic they didn't want to touch upon just yet. Also, it's probably why Rena was apprehensive with Oishi suddenly appearing talking to Keiichi in private.
4. The needle in the onigiri? Just a delusion?
Again to add to what Rias said above, the truth is there was no needle. Remember Mion said it was a game? The ohagi were spiked with Tabasco sauce which gave Keiichi the sharp pain in his mouth and the red fluid he saw after bitting into it. BTW an ohagi isn't an onigiri. Ohagi are sweet riceaball covered in sweet red bean paste with smooth texture. These are treats usually made in the spring ^^
5. When Keiichi meets Rena in the road with a hatchet, can explain why? And why those two henchmen are chasing after him? Or were they chasing after Rena?
To add what Rias said. The day before, Keiichi frightens Rena with the bat. Rena warns him it's dangerous carrying around a weapon. Keiichi doesn't listen. So the next day, Rena brings the nata with her. This is to show by example how Keiichi is scaring everyone around him. The reason why I believe this is, in the game when Keiichi asks why she's carrying the nata, her immediate response was, why are you carrying a bat? When Keiichi make up his excuse to practice for baseball then she replies, oh I guess I'm going treasure hunting then. She was mimicking the absurdity of Keiichi's actions. She had no intention of causing him ill harm.
The henchmen. Should be clear after Minagoroshi-hen (chap 07).
6. Last question, do I assume that Rena did kill Rina and Satoko's uncle in Onikakushi-hen?
No, she did not. If she did, she would ask Keiichi to join her treasure hunting, nor she would go to the extreme actions she took to bring Keiichi's sanity back.
Aside from that, are there any important details shown in the game in the first six chapters that were not shown in the anime nor the TIPS?
Yes, a lot. I don't recall what exactly was in the anime, but I'll list the stuff that should be noted per chapter
Frederica's Poem
The opening dream
Keiichi goes to school with Rena
Keiichi went out of town to go to a funeral
The Fearsome RENA-PAN! :heh:
Treasure Hunt
Zombie IT game
Ohagi incident
Rena late night visit
The card game: Jiji-nuki
The club game's version of Clue
TIP: Rena's real name
TIP: The various newspaper/magazine articles
Watanagashi
- Tomitake's penalty game
- The members all wrote on his shirt telling him to cheer up and come back and play with them again
The van
Keiichi destroying the shoebox after hearing a voice/footsteps behind him
Mion telling Rena to hold Keiichi down as she proceeds onto the ohagi's punishment game
- Tell Keiichi not to worry, she's only going to do the same thing they did to Tomitake
The letter + syringe
When Keiichi starts practicing Mion mentions that there is an ace pitcher named Kameda-kun :heh:
Mion admitting that she spiked the Ohagi to Keiichi.
Kantoku
Theme of the chapter: Suspicion (X)
Frederica's Poem
Mistake in the anime, Rika is tortured in this arc.
The club game at the game store, each specific one will be alluded later.
The Doll
Shion and Kasai-san
Angel Mort
Keiichi's dad :heh:
The footsteps Shion heard in the Shrine
The Scrapbook (Takano's)
Oishi's various confrontations with Keiichi
The "eyes"
"Mion's" lengthy "confession" when Rena and Keiichi confronts her. She explains the history of the Onigafuchi, the WWII connection (special experimental unit 731), how the Sonozaki became rich with the canned meat business, the scandal that pursued afterwards, How Onigafuchi turn into Hinamizawa, and the resident's new mindset that still persists today.
The talk "Mion" has with Keiichi as she is about to begin his torture.
The "Mion" knocks Keiichi out with a tazer (not a rock)
The epilogue 1: Keiichi going back to give "Mion" the doll as he comes to the realization that he never apologize to "Mion" (accidentally to Shion) but is stabbed before he can
The epilogue 2: Oishi visiting Keiichi at the hospital and asking him if he knew if Rika was diabetic or not. Also tells him what exactly was found in the well. Oryou, "Shion," Satoko, Rika (with a broken syringe in her pocket), and 3 skeltal remains who have been in the well for over 10 years.
Theme of the chapter: The lore of the village and the Sonozaki influence (Z)
Frederica's Poem & TIPS (especially, what happens to Oishi)
Rina's death
Keiichi's Dad :heh:
Kameda-kun! Baseball
Satoko's trap ability
The desert fiesta
MAID in HEAVEN! :heh: (Dr. Irie's reality marble)
Fear the Rena-Pan! :heh:
Teppei's return
Detailed info about the 4th year's "curse"
Satoko's past
KOOL mode
Keiichi's delusional decent
That "Mion" picked up Keiichi's phone call.
How everyone told Keiichi a different story than what he experienced
Satoko's confession
The various epilogues. Most importantly Keiichi surviving the Disaster.
The Death toll
The theme of the chapter: Who's the crazy one? Me or Hinamizawa? (X)
Second theme of the chapter: The Houjou's family relationship with the village (Z)
Third theme of the chapter: The Fate of the village is unrelated to the character's decisions (Y)
Frederica's Poem & TIPS (especially the ones with Rika's mom)
Akasaka's promise
Rika various confrontation with Akasaka
The people who kidnapped Inugai's grandson
The place where they kept Inugai's grandson (although this is more a Nekogoroshi-hen thing)
Theme of the Chapter: Pre-determined Fate (Y)
Frederica's Poem
See Watanagashi-hen + Doll scene
Shion's relationship with Mion
Satoshi-kun and Shion's relationship with him
That Shion answered Satoshi's phone call.
Shion's compensation for her "wrongs" (the Kejime)
Shion's relationship with Oishi (information exchange to find Satoshi)
Oishi complete suspicion towards the Sonozaki family
Mion's feeling towards Keiichi
Keiichi's reality marble! :heh:
Takano giving Shion her scrapbook
Shion's journal entries
Shion's "Curse System" theory
Rika's confrontations with Shion (especially that Rika had a syringe)
Rika screaming Hanyuu! Hanyuu! prior to stabbing herself to death (the anime opening to Watanagashi-hen)
Satoko's realization
Satoko's courage
That Shion's real name is Mion and Mion is really Shion
Mion confessing she doesn't know anything.
Reveals that Shion kills Mion by pushing her down the well
Mion explaining the Sonozaki Bluff
Shion's confession
Shion's apology
Shion's realization of what Satoshi wanted her to do
The Death Toll (The Gas Diaster did not happen)
Theme of the chapter: The Sonozaki Bluff (Z)
Frederica's Poem
TIPS (especially the ones with Rika or about dice)
Reina's past
- maggot disease
Rina's relationship with Rena
- The reason for Rena's treasure hunt (and Hau~ and Omochikari~ mode)
Rina's relationship with the Sonozaki
Rina's relationship with Teppei
Rena's realization of how cornered Satoshi's felt
Rena's feeling there is no hope and takes matters in her own hands
Rena's speech listing the sin of all the characters
Keiichi's speech forgiving all the sins of every character
Keiichi enforcing that trust is key
The Water gun fight
Rena getting Takano's Scrapbook
Rena telling Keiichi her theory via phone
Mion picking apart Rena and Keiichi's phone call
Mion telling Keiichi about the Sonozaki Bluff
Mion telling Keiichi the Gosanke's plan to modernize the village
The van
Keiichi's past
Rika confronting Rena (connects later to Minagoroshi)
Keiichi remembering the sin he committed during Onikakushi-hen
- That inside the Ohagi wasn’t a needle but Tabasco sauce (only one was spiked). The imagery of the needle came from an old manga he read which scared him when he was child. The sharp pain and red fluid and his delusional state made him remember that fear.
- What was in Mion's hand wasn't a syringe. It was a marker. The penalty game was the same as the penalty game Tomitake suffered during the Festival. She even mouthed what she was going to write a message on his shirt: "Get better soon!"
- As he grabbed the bat and killed Mion and proceed to beat Rena, he remembers that Rena didn't resist but instead held her arms out as if to embrace him saying: "Trust me!" as he killed her.
- Rika then forgiving him of his sin as she also remembers and is the only one who can understand this miracle.
- Rika poking fun at Satoko telling her how amazing Keiichi is and that she hopes Satoko will remember what he did for her in her most dire need (Tatarigoroshi-hen)
Akane's and Oishi's talk
Rena taking the school hostage
The police SWAT team with sniper division surrounding the school
Keiichi Victory declaration!
The Demon's Script
The theme of the chapter: Trust (X)
Second theme of the chapter: The Sonozaki Bluff and lore of the village (Z)
Third theme: The Fate of the village is more of less unrelated to the character's decisions (Y)
Question : Is Saikoroshi-hen canon, or just an alternate ending?
If it's canon I may have to cry a little. :(
From what I've been hearing, I think it's more of an omake than anything. Doesn't sound like it fits.
Apparently the TIPS for Yoigoshi-hen can be read via mobile phone at Gangan Mobile....
Just curious if anyone knows how to track those down or would be interested in translating them? It's a very intriguing chapter!
From what I've been hearing, I think it's more of an omake than anything. Doesn't sound like it fits.
Saigoroshi-hen is like an after-story that occurs after the end of Matsuribayashi-hen. It is omake in the sense that you are not obligated to read it in order to "finish" the game (since it was already finished).
However, the story is a direct continuation of Matsuribayashi-hen and is quite rich in plot, so I consider it to be a part of the Higurashi story (moreover, the ending also offered closure).
Personally, Saikoroshi-hen is probably one of my favorite chapters in Higurashi. It's pretty short, especially since there weren't any TIPS. And while Matsuribayashi-hen does answer and brings closure Higurashi's mysteries and overall story, Saikoroshi was a very deep story that bring closure to the Rika's story. It makes you really think of the value in the answer provided in Matsuribayashi and what was sacrificed for that answer.
Apparently the TIPS for Yoigoshi-hen can be read via mobile phone at Gangan Mobile....
I've been looking for those.
This is GanGan Mobile's website:
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/mobile/mgangan.html
I have yet to find it on their site ^^;
doko~ ?
Shion's Sanity
2007-07-30, 18:30
Can a summary/translation of Saikoroshi-hen be found somewhere here or even elsewhere? It would be great to read once the second season finishes airing.
This made me so confused. I thought you were talking about the true end:
Miotsukushi-hen
Is that translation available either?
From what I heard Rei was just for fun.O_O
Klashikari
2007-07-30, 18:45
Use the edit feature.
as for your questions :
1) There isn't any translation for Saikoroshi-hen. Most likely, there is the summary on the Wikipedia article, and some impressions found on the Higurashi Rei (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=41016) thread
2) Miotsukushi-hen doesn't have any translation either, and things might be harder since it is from the PS2 game. thus, extracting and translating the script is much more longer and tedious than the VN format.
Again, there is the Higurashi Matsuri (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=43671) thread for this.
Things might be provided later on, but it is unlikely that people would actually work on these before the second season ends.
This made me so confused. I thought you were talking about the true end:
Miotsukushi-hen
Is that translation available either?
From what I heard Rei was just for fun.O_O
Miotsukushi-hen is a variation of Matsuribayashi-hen for the PS2's Higurashi no Naku koro ni: Matsuri. I have not played the PS2 version so I can't comment on it.
But I can comment on Saikoroshi-hen.
Higurashi REI is a fan disc made for well, fans.
There are 3 stories in it. 2 of them are very silly. The main (or at least what I consider the main) story: Saikoroshi-hen is an epilogue to the events of Matsuribayashi-hen (the original Sound Novel's final Chapter). Like Sushi-Y said, it just an optional read. The story ended at Matsuribayashi-hen.
Saikoroshi is a small continuation of the same world of Matsuribayashi-hen. Think of it as an elaborate epilogue for Rika.
I've been looking for those.
This is GanGan Mobile's website:
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/mobile/mgangan.html
I have yet to find it on their site ^^;
doko~ ?
The mobile site can only be accessed through Japanese mobile services such as i-mode, EZweb, or Yahoo! Keitai. The service on Gangan's mobile site in particular costs 315 yen/month membership fee to access.
You can enter the site by scanning the QR code with your phone's QR code reader.
Long story short, you can't see the TIPs unless you live in Japan and own a cell phone with one of the above services (from DoCoMo or KDDI or Yahoo! Japan) and is a member of Gangan Mobile service.
Christen
2007-08-02, 02:01
Thank you very much for the answers O_O That really reveals a lot (and makes me want to play the whole game, but unfortunately I can't read Kanji and know little nihongo to play).
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 02:25
The first arc is slowly being translated by fans, so don't despair.^^
Dang, that seems like quite a tricky number of hurdles to jump over.
You think there are any Japanese fan-sites/wikis that have transcribed them out there?
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 04:01
Three chapters of the first arc are already translated, as are about seven of the next-to-last one in the main series...That's better than nothing, right?
Oh, sorry, I was talking about the Yoigoshi tips..
By the way, where's the best place to discuss Nekogoroshi-hen? Just got subbed by Hauu and there doesn't seem to be a thread about it..
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 11:49
My forum?: P
You could try requesting a thread for it in that section. I actually think someone already did, but it has not been answered yet.
My question is:
Are new episodes of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni kai released every week, every second week or whatever? In that case. On what day and time? Asking this so i can start download, watch and seed the minute it releases :P Sorry if it's an annoying question but i don't seem to find a answer to this question anywhere :p
thanks in advance.
Mirrinus
2007-08-07, 21:14
The Higurashi forum is here (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=55)...
It's released every week.
thanks alot, didn't know... what day every week btw?
<noob :p
Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-08, 00:01
My question is:
Are new episodes of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni kai released every week, every second week or whatever? In that case. On what day and time? Asking this so i can start download, watch and seed the minute it releases :P Sorry if it's an annoying question but i don't seem to find a answer to this question anywhere :p
thanks in advance.
it's like cartoons, one every week.
KholdStare
2007-08-08, 00:06
Yeah, once a week. Although subbing groups are usually consistent, there's no telling when they'll actually finish subbing an episode or if they're intending to do a dual release. Even with a popular series like Nodame Cantabile there were some problems.
The earliest Kai airs is Thursday.
Hauu~'s speed release (which now goes under the name "ni-pah~") is always out between 5-20 hours after the episode airs.
StrayChild
2007-08-10, 00:56
What are these Rules X, Y, and Z that I keep hearing about?
What are these Rules X, Y, and Z that I keep hearing about?
Taken from the "Your Qs for Higurashi Answered" thread.
Rules X, Y, and Z
There are several "Rules" that bind Rika and her friends in a dead-end loop preventing their escape from June 1983 happily.
Rule X: Somebody goes insane which leads to murders of others.
Rule Y: _____________ kills Tomitake and Takano, and when this happens, it is the turning point of the story. Their deaths signal the upcoming death of Rika, with the exception when the culprit of Rule X overwrites Rule Y.
Rule Z: The fear will be instigated by suspecting the Sonozaki's bluff that they are behind everything.
chrno_the_sinner
2007-08-10, 01:19
What are these Rules X, Y, and Z that I keep hearing about?
I don't know if it's alright to put this here, but whatever.
Rule X: Keiichi, Shion, or Rena going crazy from their scenarios. Easiest rule to break (I assume) as shown in Tsumihoroboshi
Rule Y: Something with a strong intent. The hardest rule to break. Examples include Rika's Watanagshiing, and Tomitake's death.
Rule Z: Takano/Oishi adding wood to the fire, so to speak. The notebooks and Oishi's car talk are part of it.
Rules generally have the most intent behind them. Mion's club games change all the time because she picks most of them spur of the moment, while Rika's death (Rule Y) is committed with extreme intent, and therefore, so is the Disaster, except when Rule X (Meakashi/Watanagashi) gets in the way first.
I hope I got it right. It's been a while since I played the first chapter of Minagoroshi.
EDIT: Darn, beaten to it by minutes.
StrayChild
2007-08-10, 01:20
Rule Z sounds a little confusing.O_O
Rule X, Y, Z is something that became clear in Minagoroshi-hen, the Q&A post is pretty much right, but I'll just add another version (from the unofficial Higurashi wiki) here.
Overall, the three rules are what prevents Rika and her friends from leading a normal life past June of 1983.
Rule X - The murders that result from one of Rika's friends succumbing to madness.
- Usually a result of the isolation of one of the friends due to excessive paranoia.
- Various victims can succumb to this rule, there are many triggers as well.
- Overwrites Rule Y if Rika is killed here (ie. Watanagashi/Meakashi-hen).
Rule Y - The death of Rika due to some powerful will. And the "Demon's Script" that destroys the entire Hinamizawa.
- Usually begins with the death of Tomitake and Takano, followed by Rika's watanagashi death, then the Hinamizawa disaster.
- Unlike Rule X, where there are rooms for variables, Rule Y never fails to trigger.
Rule Z - The atmosphere surrounding Hinamizawa that allows for the existence of tragic deaths (aka. Oyashirosama's Curse).
- Originating from the Gosanke's rule over Hinamizawa. Sonozaki's bluff.
- Sonozaki's bluff: everything that happens is believed to be a conspiracy by Sonozaki.
- Everything is explained as a result of Oyashirosama's curse.
- The recognition of deaths as normal on the night of Watanagashi.
- As long as this rule exists, it will nullify any chance of Rule X and Y breaking.
What is the name of the instrumental song that plays at the very beginning of the fifth episode to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai?
In which soundtrack is that song included?
It is a different rendition to the instrumental song, Yui, which is the 25th track included in the second Higurashi soundtrack for the anime.
Klashikari
2007-08-11, 14:46
The track played in this part is "Main Theme", which is the very first track for Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Original Soundtrack 1
Yui is in fact an alternative version of the original track. (in, fact it is even named : "Main Theme - Yui" )
There are also other alternatives versions, such like "Main Theme - Tsumi" (2 versions: n°3 and n°17) and "Main Theme - Ai" (n°11), the three of them are in the second OST
I have a translation question that I've been trying to answer on my own. Is Rena's "I'm going to take you home" in English translated from "もちをかえり"* in Japanese?
Note: My Japanese listening comprehension skills are underdeveloped ^^;.
*mochi wo kaeri
I have a translation question that I've been trying to answer on my own. Is Rena's "I'm going to take you home" in English translated from "もちをかえり"* in Japanese?
x もちをかえり (MOCHI WO KAERI)
o お持ちかえりぃ♪ (OMOCHI KAERIi [musical note])
Is Kai as gruesome and creepy as first season? I'm squeamish you see....so I couldn't even watch that series....:heh:
Is Kai as gruesome and creepy as first season? I'm squeamish you see....so I couldn't even watch that series....:heh:
No, the first season was mostly about setting up the mystery and story. The second is about answering the mystery and resolving the story. Naturally, it loses its creepiness and suspense as you learn more. The first season isn't that gruesome though. There weren't many graphic scenes; It was just really creepy because of the atmosphere and you knew very little about what was going on.
So far I'm not sure I would call it as creepy as the first season as what is really going on is clearer with each chapter.
There are a few morbid parts but none have been as bad as some of thoes in the first season.
MrZombie
2007-08-12, 17:41
Is Kai as gruesome and creepy as first season? I'm squeamish you see....so I couldn't even watch that series....:heh:
There is absolutely no point in watching Kai if you haven't or won't watch the first season.
There is absolutely no point in watching Kai if you haven't or won't watch the first season.
Sure there is. =D Who said there has to be a point to watch something?:heh:
Specifically, I don't really like to see people's organs hanging out of their bodies or a cute little girl stabbing herself in the head...or a bishounen clawing out his throat...yeah....stuff like that...:uhoh: That's why I didn't want to watch "-koro ni":heh: Corpses lying in blood pools don't bug me that much but...innards...are EW.
Reinhard
2007-08-13, 02:45
Having watched Higurashi Season One one episode at a time as they were released, I decided this time to be a little more patient, wait till I had each arc/chapter downloaded, and watch it as a chunk. That said, I need to find out how many episodes are in each arc without getting any spoilers. So I figured I'd ask here.
So... how many episodes will there be in each of the arcs? If you don't know for all of them, then at least can you tell me how many were/are in the first arc?
Anyhow, thanks
Reinhard
2007-08-13, 02:47
Chiibi;
Long story short, if you don't like blood, gore, horror, murder, and dismemberment, then Higurashi/Higurashi Kai is probably a poor choice of anime for you.
Chiibi;
Long story short, if you don't like blood, gore, horror, murder, and dismemberment, then Higurashi/Higurashi Kai is probably a poor choice of anime for you.
I agree with Reinhard. It sounds like you should try reading the manga instead of the anime; so you can 'skip' the gorey parts. But Higurashi in general just has that kind of aura about it: someone/something goes insane and takes it out on friends/familiars/etc in the form of a massacre.
x もちをかえり (MOCHI WO KAERI)
o お持ちかえりぃ♪ (OMOCHI KAERIi [musical note])
Thanks for clarifying. :]
Reinhard
2007-08-13, 03:29
SSJiffy;
"Omochikaeri desu ka?" is the way they'd ask you, in a fast food place in Japan, wether you'd like that to go. So, though I haven't seen the episode in question yet, my guess is that Rena is saying: "I'll take you to go!" in a way that has a hint of "You're so cute I could just to take you home and eat you up".
Having watched Higurashi Season One one episode at a time as they were released, I decided this time to be a little more patient, wait till I had each arc/chapter downloaded, and watch it as a chunk. That said, I need to find out how many episodes are in each arc without getting any spoilers. So I figured I'd ask here.
So... how many episodes will there be in each of the arcs? If you don't know for all of them, then at least can you tell me how many were/are in the first arc?
Anyhow, thanks
First episode is stand alone. It's the epilogue to the last season's arc, Tsumihoroboshi.
Yakusamashi: 2-5
Minagoroshi: 6-13
Mastsuribayashi: 14-24
Reinhard
2007-08-13, 04:34
Which one was Tsumihoroboshi again? The last one?
Which one was Tsumihoroboshi again? The last one?
That's right.
Chiibi;
Long story short, if you don't like blood, gore, horror, murder, and dismemberment, then Higurashi/Higurashi Kai is probably a poor choice of anime for you.
Lol I know I know. I was waiting for someone to say that.:heh: But unfortunately, this anime won't leave me alone....it intrigues me as much as it horrifies me. So part of me wants to watch it and part of me doesn't and they're like...arguing with each other.:heh:
In short, Higurashi HAUNTS me and that is creepy in itself!!:uhoh:
Klashikari
2007-08-13, 10:37
huh? actually, it isn't exactly that anyway.
you could always try to skip onikakushi (first 4 episodes).
but truely enough, the creepiest "scariest" part of the anime is only the first chapter, that's it. (in some extent, maybe Watanagashi-hen, chapter 2, but it is much more "insane" based rather than creepy)
if you just can stand the first chapter, then you shouldn't have any problem with the rest.
but if you are THAT scared cat, i'm just wondering how you could stand elfen lied then.
I repeat : the gore you can see in higurashi is extremely "soft" compared to elfen lied. everything is much more psychological, though really, it is gradually toned down the more you follow the series. so, being afraid to see "innards" and fancy stuff won't do, since you won't see anything of that sort (well, at the very best, 2 shots, nothing more)
ah and before you still think it is really horrifying, the "scary" and gore part worth only at most 20-30% of the whole season 1.
as for season 2, no, no way you can classify as creepy and/or gory. and again, it doesn't make sense to watch it prior season 1.
Sure there is. =D Who said there has to be a point to watch something?:heh:
That's analogous to viewing Star Wars Episode 6 without watching 4 and 5.
Other examples include:
Watching Evangelion The Movie without watching Ep. 1-26 of Evangelion TV series (even though one still doesn't get it then www)
Gunbuster 2 before watching Gunbuster 1 (you won't understand the ending)
Alien 3 before Aliens and Alien
Terminator 2 before Terminator
Godfather Pt. III before Pt. II and Pt. I (though I believe you can skip III altogether because that was utter crap)
but if you are THAT scared cat, i'm just wondering how you could stand elfen lied then.
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure either.:heh: I guess I just got used to it...and it wasn't as freaky...because you DID know what was going on for the most part.
At first it was like "EW! Must cover eyes!" but by the sixth episode it was like "Oh...look at the fountain of blood shooting from the policeman's neck....LOL!":p
I may attempt to watch Higu again...the only big problem is, it takes away my appetite and I am too underweight...:uhoh:
I s'pose I could just cover my eyes....
Christen
2007-08-14, 01:31
Well, there are some cringe worthy scenes scattered out through the episodes, but they are not frequent and gets lesser towards the end.
Onikakushi-hen
1. Needle in the ohagi. Only if you imagine though.
2. Keiichi's massacre.
Watanagashi-hen
1. Intro, and that's it. Not even supposed to happen.
Tatarigoroshi-hen
1. Corpse at intro. Not the actual corpse itself, but the fingers.
2. Teppei's murder. Then again, it was censored.
Himatsubushi-hen
1. Ooishi's pole dance in front of Akasaka.... just kidding.
Meakashi-hen
1. Fingernail stripping, specially that missed one.
2. Rika's suicide.
Tsumihoroboshi-hen
1. Rina's murder.
2. Teppei's murder. I wonder which death was quicker, the bat or the hatchet?
3. Itchy maggots.
And not much gore in the second season as of now.
chrno_the_sinner
2007-08-14, 02:43
That's analogous to viewing Star Wars Episode 6 without watching 4 and 5.
Terminator 2 before Terminator
I did that.... Still haven't seen more than 20 minutes of the first Terminator.
Still, Higurashi builds off itself so much. The second season isn't so much a new series as much as it is a direct continuation.
The real big thing between Elfen Lied and Higurashi's level of violence and blood is that Elfen Lied, out of a few moments, the bloody spectacles really don't mean much other than to show that Lucy is cold killer. Aside from the first episode, and the bit with the dog, you kind of get desensitized because it just doesn't become shocking anymore.
Higurashi, the deaths mean something, and they're built upon with suspense. Each event is lead into with weight, making them happen with greater impact, making them all the more shocking. Not to mention that the setting helps, considering the idyllic village and the ages of the main characters.
Slice of Life
2007-08-20, 06:41
I have a very basic question about Higurashi I + II. I haven't seen it yet because as much as I gathered Higurashi I alone is an unfinished work and because I was scared away by the effort it apparently takes to understand it. Higurashi II will conclude the story(s) if I got that right so that settles the first problem.
What remains is the second one: Is the show penetrable and enjoyable for a moderately intelligent, moderately attentive person who just watches the show? Or are all the hints and FAQs actually necessary to not leave you with merely a string of "What?" "Huh?" "Eh?" and "WTF?" moments?
Mind you, I'm not expecting the interlectual level of Coyote Ragtime here. My question simply is: Is the show (both seasons) understandable as a standalone work or not? Should I watch it or spend my precious time on other anime?
Klashikari
2007-08-20, 06:53
What remains is the second one: Is the show penetrable and enjoyable for a moderately intelligent, moderately attentive person who just watches the show? Or are all the hints and FAQs actually necessary to not leave you with merely a string of "What?" "Huh?" "Eh?" and "WTF?" moments?
Mind you, I'm not expecting the interlectual level of Coyote Ragtime here. My question simply is: Is the show (both seasons) understandable as a standalone work or not? Should I watch it or spend my precious time on other anime?
While the first season lacked of various points, the second season proved to be quite insightful so far. The first chapter of the second season helps to cover some points skipped in the first season and is a nice bridge between the first season and the "true" second season.
For the relative enjoyement of the series themselves, it depends of your tastes. I believe you just have to fetch some "non spoiler" information for the "structure" and development of the said story. Aside of this, you can follow this anime without any problem or required aid.
Mind you, I believe it is quite a waste to not consult the translated informations on AS. (at least TIPS are really a good plus, and not spoiler at all)
Granted, again, considering how successful the season is so far, you can definitely give the whole series a try, as long as you are enjoying psychological thriller, drama, wrapped with some touch of moe and comedy. (fear not the contrast isn't half assed or uncalled for)
GyroidFanatic
2007-08-20, 13:55
Sure there is. =D Who said there has to be a point to watch something?:heh:
Specifically, I don't really like to see people's organs hanging out of their bodies or a cute little girl stabbing herself in the head...or a bishounen clawing out his throat...yeah....stuff like that...:uhoh: That's why I didn't want to watch "-koro ni":heh: Corpses lying in blood pools don't bug me that much but...innards...are EW.What you just explained is most of the gore that happens in the first season. There's only two other scenes I can think of. And you'd be missing out on the majority of the story, which is really important in Kai.
haiz123321
2007-08-21, 04:51
I wanna know sth...
If lets say that in each world, rika presents the ohagi to keiichi, will kei remember the part about the needle? Or was is by "coincindence' again? It seems to much of a "coincindence" that 3 people remember the past
Klashikari
2007-08-21, 05:01
Considering the comments of Rika about Keiichi's memories, it is more like a coincidence, or rather "miracle".
Before Tsumihoroboshi-hen, which is supposed to happen just before Minagoroshi-hen, no one has ever remember of the "past", or rather the other worlds.
thus, the answer is kinda a "no", if we consider the timeline of the story.
but as you can see, the more Rika "loop", the more the others actors can have stealth glimpses of the previous events, even unconsciously. but the rate and information are extremely low.
Sterling01
2007-08-21, 20:40
I forgot what the names of Mion's parents were; can someone post them?
Sterling01
2007-08-21, 23:26
did they ever name the father
haiz123321
2007-08-22, 03:07
Well, seein how the guys the were supposedly to kill her protect her.
Does this mean that, the reason those guys in caps and jackets were after Rika was cause the spies they sent in all died and they killed Rika on the assumption that she was the murderer?
Or was it another group?
MrZombie
2007-08-22, 10:54
did they ever name the father
No, her father's never named.
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 11:47
Oh, wonder why?
Well, seein how the guys the were supposedly to kill her protect her.
Does this mean that, the reason those guys in caps and jackets were after Rika was cause the spies they sent in all died and they killed Rika on the assumption that she was the murderer?
Or was it another group?
As of episode 7 of the second series it is made clear that their only interest in Rika is professional. She's a valuable experimental subject for their bosses, not someone they care about. But if Irie is the guy doing the experiments his death can trigger the termination of the program. At which point, they have no further use for Rika and quite apart from anything else, she's the only native of the village who knows about them.
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 12:58
The following two letters are commentaries from 竜騎士07 (Ryuukishi 07) that appear at the end of each game. Since they weren't posted I thought I should
Credit for the translation goes to WinD Fansubs
■スタッフルーム / 『ひぐらしのなく頃に解』目明し編
Do you think there is a murder that can be justified by its motive?
Hello, this is Ryuukishi 07.
Allow me to thank you for enjoying Higurashi no Naku koro ni KAI Meakashi-hen, it is much appreciated. As I write the various deaths illustrated in Higurashi, there is a question I ask myself. That is: Can there be a murder that is justifiable?
In our world, all murders are prosecuted, but depending on the motive and the situation, the severity of the sentence will change. If the weight of one’s sin is dependent the price of one’s life; this endorses the idea that the value of each individuals’ lives are not equal.
In the world of Higurashi, there are scenes that portray murder positively. Here, by diluting the value of the person’s life being killed, the players can more easily “approve” of such an act. The level of approval will vary by person. The ones who agreed will identify, purging their morals; while the ones who could not agree will feel discomfort and madness, I believe.
In Tatarigoroshi-hen, the approval of Keiichi’s actions were polarized which I believe expresses the reality of things. Even in this installment of Meakashi-hen, there are many murders drawn. As our protagonist this time, Shion, killed one after another as she tried to get approval of her actions.
What is your opinion?
How far were you able to agree?
If you could not agree with any of her actions, please disparage her as a ruthless cutthroat.
For those who approved few of her actions, please pity her.
For those who commended many of her actions, please pity her.
All who approve with every single action, be sneered at along with her as a ruthless cutthroat (laughter).
My opinion?
………Well, that will remain secret.
Now to flip the question… If you were to be killed, what kind of killer would you tolerate?
A killer who thinks nothing of life and takes pleasure in taking it?
This is quite shameful.
It is sad to be killed by a person who denies any value of your life.
How about a tragic killer who cries for forgiveness?
This is also quite shameful.
If you going to ask for forgiveness, don’t kill! (laughter)
Then, what type of killer would you consider be reasonable in his kills…?
Ultimately, this “approval” may be dependent on how much one enjoys the murder drama.
If you can approve, it is enjoyable.
If you cannot approve, it’s maddening.
There is no such thing as to the weight of one’s life.
To measure that is a human sin.
A murder is a murder.
It is nothing more and nothing less.
Therefore, I hope everyone can get along.
Agree?
Do you approve with this small talk?
If you cannot ………くすくすくすくす
Again, thank you for playing Higurashi no Naku koro ni Meakashi-hen, it is much appreciated. Because of all your support, we were able to bring you this 5th chapter. The story will finally begin its fast approach to its end. I will be more than happy if you continue to stay with us. Our next scenario is titled Tsumihoroboshi-hen, and its target date is the Summer Comic Market of 2005. If you are even the slightest bit excited, I would be pleased.
Again, thank you for playing.
I hope I’ve brought some satisfaction in filling your boredom.
０７ｔｈ Ｅｘｐａｎｓｉｏｎ
竜騎士07
Ryuukishi 07
■スタッフルーム / 『ひぐらしのなく頃に解』罪滅し編
Hello, this is Ryuukishi 07.
Allow me to thank you for playing Higurashi no Naku koro ni KAI Tsumihoroboshi-hen, it is much appreciated.
Within this scenario, there were a few themes I would like to express further, but among them, I’ll choose this one: I would like to write about the rejection of murder. As long as I am writing under the category of disturbing serial murder novels, this will be a topic I would need to reflect upon.
Recently, especially among minors, there have been many who seek to quickly resolve their problems with the following two methods: “murder” and “suicide.” When we are burden with stress, we choose to either eliminate the source of, or choose to run away from the source of the stress.
For example, let’s say there was a person who is being teased at school.
Here he has two options: “eliminate” the teaser from his present environment, or choose to “run” from that environment. Many teasers are mostly likely good fighters, so even if the person challenges him alone he cannot “eliminate” the problem. Moreover, changing class or quitting the school is not something most people can do, so to “run” is not possible.
As a result, their daily situation continues to worsen, and their bodies begin to yearn for a quick resolution to the escalating stress. As result, the speedy answer of “murder” and “suicide” begins to emerge.
If that person believes “suicide” is giving in to the situation, then they may desire to at least make a standoff with “murder.” Lately, I believe there are many who think this way. However, the reality is committing a “murder” is not a sin that is redeemable.
I believe this person who is about to kill knows this very well.
They act upon this their intense hatred towards the person who cornered them and that they only see murder as an option; their resolve for this came after realizing this will destroy their entire life.
But, of they have such a powerful resolve, before they resort to the final measure of “murder,” there is one step I would like them to take:
Rely on your friends.
If that cannot do, rely on your family.
If that cannot do, rely on your teachers. …and even if that cannot do?
No, there has to be many more who they can rely upon still.
If they can rely upon “murder,” and have the resolve to abandon their entire life, there has to be more they can do!
Heisei Japan has become a good world. There are several established hotlines for these concerns; so even if you don’t have friends or family, there is a place ready for you to rely upon.
The person on the other side of hotline is not a nobody.
They may be volunteers but, they are all veterans who have worked many years as Probation Officers or with the NAYD. I can safely say, these people have rich social experience and passion, even more so than your parents!
They can’t be bad people as they take on this job for free!
If you think that your only choices are to “kill” your adversary, or to “kill” yourself, please as a last hope, try to give them a call. The ones who believe it is useless to consult others, are the ones who need to open their hearts.
Be brave and give them a call.
On the other side of the phone, there will be an unbelievably dependable friend waiting.
“Don’t torment yourself, and talk to someone.”
Just to deliver this message with a long drawn out story like this one, it’s probably fair to say, this person who names himself Ryuukishi 07 isn’t a blessed writer...
That being said, Ryuukishi 07 seeks advice from you as well.
How do I write a more interesting story…? (bitter laugh)
０７ｔｈ Ｅｘｐａｎｓｉｏｎ
竜騎士07
Ryuukishi 07
Also does anyone know if they're commentaries by 竜騎士07 for the question arcs
Kang Seung Jae
2007-08-23, 03:01
A question:
I still don't understand the reason why giving the doll to Rena triggered Shion. Was it because of Mion telling Shion and awakening the demon?
Klashikari
2007-08-23, 03:06
A question:
I still don't understand the reason why giving the doll to Rena triggered Shion. Was it because of Mion telling Shion and awakening the demon?
I tried to explain it throughly over here (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-6-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
as for a "digest" answer:
-In meakashi-hen, Shion explained that the Doll event made Mion sad. Shion talked with her, cheered her and gave her advice. However, this matter triggered her madness, because Mion was so lucky that she can be around with the person she loves, while Shion doesn't have Satoshi next to her.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-08-23, 03:10
I tried to explain it throughly over here (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-6-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
as for a "digest" answer:
-In meakashi-hen, Shion explained that the Doll event made Mion sad. Shion talked with her, cheered her and gave her advice. However, this matter triggered her madness, because Mion was so lucky that she can be around with the person she loves, while Shion doesn't have Satoshi next to her.
I guess that I guessed right. Thanks.
Sterling01
2007-08-25, 00:22
Can anyone tell me what this is about
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/nai/etc/higurashi/hig_top.htm
GyroidFanatic
2007-08-25, 01:15
Looks like a doujin visual novel with someone's original character.
Can anyone tell me what this is about
http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/nai/etc/higurashi/hig_top.htmLooks like a going-to-be-vaporware project of visual novel about possibility of "What if K1 remained in his school and CA members came to K1's?"
As such, apparently Keiichi keeps his feckless personality of pre-Hinamizawa, but he gets strange feeling when he see Rena and Mion for the "first time".
Well... am I the only one that think, that the "original character" would be Tanashi Miyoko?
Currently, only a CG collections of such situation was released at an event so far, and that supposedly was the end of it.
However, as website owner had many people asking about that, they may do something... well, such a candidate for vaporware, imo :rolleyes:
Edit:
Oh wait, she says むぅ... she's Satoshi :eyespin::uhoh:
Kang Seung Jae
2007-08-25, 07:23
Can anyone tell me what happens in "Hirukowashi-hen" ? The whole story, that is.
Sterling01
2007-08-25, 11:48
It just the Novelization of Daybreak
One day, Rena accidentally swallows something in her mouth during her usual treasure hunting. According to Rika, the seal of the sacred "Fuwarazu Magatama" pairs were broken and Rena must've accidentally swallowed one of them. The magatama holds mysterious magical powers in which a person that has the red magatama will blindly fall in love with anyone with the white magatama.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-08-25, 22:31
It just the Novelization of Daybreak
One day, Rena accidentally swallows something in her mouth during her usual treasure hunting. According to Rika, the seal of the sacred "Fuwarazu Magatama" pairs were broken and Rena must've accidentally swallowed one of them. The magatama holds mysterious magical powers in which a person that has the red magatama will blindly fall in love with anyone with the white magatama.
I mean the ENTIRE story, not just a short taster-summary
kingsky123
2007-08-26, 05:09
saikoroshi is the one where rika goes mad right? hope they animate that one as OVA or something. rika sock satoko = win if they really animate it
Onikakushi = 500KB
Saikoroshi = 180KB
Judging by the size of Saikoroshi, they could make a 44 minute OVA for it. Nekogoroshi was 23 minutes but I don't think they could cover Saikoroshi that well with only that. If they were to have another bonus for buying all the season two DVDs, then that'd be the best arc to cover.
Oops I'm gonna transfer my question to another thread
Sterling01
2007-09-01, 18:47
Is the opening monologue from Onikakushi-hen game ver. from K1 after he killed Mion & Rena?
MrZombie
2007-09-01, 22:58
Well, most of it. The stuff with the splats and the squishy noises yes, but eventually it turns into weeks before when he's on a train returning home after the funeral. You wouldn't believe how many times I've gone over that scene when I'm editing it.
I have a question. I just finished watching Meakashi-Hen, and just for your information, it is so far my favorite arc. My question is,
Mion died at the bottom of the well. Shion fell of the building. So, who was it that showed up at Keichii's bedside? Was that a hallucination of his, or is it explained further into the story, or is it a plot hole?
I have a question. I just finished watching Meakashi-Hen, and just for your information, it is so far my favorite arc. My question is,
Mion died at the bottom of the well. Shion fell of the building. So, who was it that showed up at Keichii's bedside? Was that a hallucination of his, or is it explained further into the story, or is it a plot hole?
Hallucination
The following two letters are commentaries from 竜騎士07 (Ryuukishi 07) that appear at the end of each game.
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Also does anyone know if they're commentaries by 竜騎士07 for the question arcs
Not for the question arcs. Instead there is an お疲れさま会 where the characters gather at (Angel Mort?) as if they finished filming a script, commenting on the story in general. Since everyone was only playing a role, they do not know their role's true intentions either. Umineko Naku koro ni is also following a somewhat similar pattern with their Tea Party.
Additionally, there are Backstage Staff rooms for Higu Kai Chap 06~09 which can be accessed by clicking on the logo at the end of Ryukishi's letters (usually on the な although this is different for 08 & 09, iirc). You can only access these for the CD for that chapter. So the Minagoroshi CD can give you access to the Minagoroshi backstage staff room, and the Matsuribayashi CD can only give you access to Matsuribayashi's backstage staff room. These are extremely silly straying far off topic but you get commentary not only from Ryukishi, but from the other members in the 07th Expansion circle such as bt or Dai.
I have a quick question. I hope I can be clear on this.
I recently started watching the 2nd season. Should've I have watched the first series or does the 2nd series pretty much sum up what wasn't explained in the first season?
I'm enjoying it. And it's creepy. I had always wondered what the whole deal with knives and "killer lolis" was all about.
I recently started watching the 2nd season. Should've I have watched the first series or does the 2nd series pretty much sum up what wasn't explained in the first season?
Yes, you need to see the first series --- it is necessary to watch this before the second season. You need to see each arc, and what happens to truly understand, and appreciate the second season.
Sterling01
2007-09-13, 19:52
Does anyone know if I install windows vista will the games still work
GyroidFanatic
2007-09-13, 20:20
They work fine for me in Vista
Christen
2007-09-14, 01:59
In what instances do Mion actually pretend as Shion? For example, was it really Mion when Keiichi went for the first time in Angel Mort?
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