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Catgirls
2006-05-01, 16:08
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Hehe... finally a place to unleash my stupidity upon the world :cool:...
:hmm:... there isn't much to analyze or to presume at the moment since the true story has just started... so I'll write a few of my conclusions from the opening/ending and general prediction on character development...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon1.gif The wheel in the ending...
The first thing that struck me as odd is the wheel in the ending... and on the wheel... there's a bird and 2 demons (?)... the one on the left seems to be a fire demon... and the one on the right a water/wind demon...
Since we have a fire demon in the opening... we can presume that’s the fire demon... and since An-chan weapon is a fan we can presume that he's the water/wind demon... also since An-chan was suffering in the flames it's very unlikely that he is the fire demon...
There is another possibility... it could be that An-chan is neither... I mean unless he was facing a mirror... I doubt he would be able to see his mouth... of course he can see the mouth of his enemy devouring him... it's getting too grouse for me so I'll limit it at that...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon1.gif The angel in the opening...
I don't know about the last scene were a flash of light engulfs the planet... it's probably just for show... DBZ style just doesn't fit with the characters...
The angel person is probably Eruruu... well I want to think it's Eruruu (...with my luck the angel person might end up a guy :upset:... )... also I think the probability that she's connected to the last flash of light is slim...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon1.gif The Samurai General...
I think he will end up fighting by Hakuoros side... he's too helpful... that or he's preparing a plot against the emperor...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon1.gif Giant Fan Girl...
My guess is that she'll just be a naruto type person that really likes Hakuoro... :dots: she reminds me of a character from Inuyasha (sp?)... can't remember exactly...
:D Some gender/type guessing :D
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7600/theenigma7vw.png (http://imageshack.us)
:hmm:... uhh... girl... but I'm not sure... well I think she'll classify as samurai because of all the fancy sword movement :D... now that I think about it I starting to have doubts weather Hakuoro classifies as a guy...
As for type I think it's bird... the type that people have been referring to as angel...
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5331/next0004za.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Defenetly girl... the face sort of got me to think a little...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon5.gif Anyway what in the world could that chain around her neck be for/from...
Type... :dots:... squirrel...
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/451/thenextone0009us.png (http://imageshack.us)
Lets see... ohh this one's definitely a guy :p :joke:
Type... angel...
N o t e s
Here are some other intresting pics from the op...
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/535/mistery01sr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5939/mistery32oz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/3003/mistery49vs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I'll update this post or make a new one on them later... if someone doesn't beet me to them... *damn my time sensitive life*
:hmm:... could the song mean anything... :dots:
dude, the fancy sword moving samurai is a female. No offence but when she was doing the stun, you can clearly see the outline of her body shape...if you know what I meant.
The angel with the yellow hair is also female. :)
dude, the fancy sword moving samurai is a female. No offence but when she was doing the stun, you can clearly see the outline of her body shape...if you know what I meant.
...well I did say girl... I just wasn't sure... my eyes hurt at that time... that's why I stopped... that and I wanted to see some more episodes before continuing with the theory...
The angel with the yellow hair is also female. :)
That's the reason I hadn't bolded the word "guy"... and why I used the :joke: smilie...
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-06, 11:07
...well I did say girl... I just wasn't sure... my eyes hurt at that time... that's why I stopped...
Your eyes hurt? You stopped looking?
:twitch:
My eyes never hurt or stop looking at sech bijin fox-ladies..... :D :D
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5260/snapshot200605072224465rb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
So here he's saying (According to the Yesy translation) that Eruruu and Aruruu should return to the village where it's safer, as he's expecting the battle to be at this other location. Theoretically, assuming that if they knew that Nuwangi escaped the previous assault, through Nuwangi, Nuwangi as a witness probably could've identified the attackers to the emperor ...that leading to Eruruu & Aruruu's village.
A. The village didn't know of Nuwangi's escape during this first battle.
B. The village has become the Alamo, with the picture location as a front line.
C. The village is aware of Nuwangi's escape, and has relocated the main village.
Neither a prediction, but from the looks of it, which ever way the village chooses to defend itself, and Nuwangi as with what appears to be the Emperor's dog, the stage appears set, and the battle is on.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-05-08, 02:43
This isn't really a spoiler so..
sword totting doggie ear -> Touka. And yes, a woman
me smash! doggie ear -> Karura. Although I guess the some fansubbers might romanize that as Carla. I think it should be Karura as Utawarerumono is full of gibberish sounding names. The final boss' for instance, is a painful tongue twister.
blonde white wing angel -> Urutori / Urtri
black wing angel over w/ night in the background -> Kamyu.
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5260/snapshot200605072224465rb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
So here he's saying (According to the Yesy translation) that Eruruu and Aruruu should return to the village where it's safer, as he's expecting the battle to be at this other location. Theoretically, assuming that if they knew that Nuwangi escaped the previous assault, through Nuwangi, Nuwangi as a witness probably could've identified the attackers to the emperor ...that leading to Eruruu & Aruruu's village.
A. The village didn't know of Nuwangi's escape during this first battle.
B. The village has become the Alamo, with the picture location as a front line.
C. The village is aware of Nuwangi's escape, and has relocated the main village.
Neither a prediction, but from the looks of it, which ever way the village chooses to defend itself, and Nuwangi as with what appears to be the Emperor's dog, the stage appears set, and the battle is on.
Even if they flee to the village... it doesn't matter... since the bad guys are after An-chan... not Eruruu... and they probably already know An-chans location... from what I can tell it's the fort from the previous episode...
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4614/thecastle0009qh.png (http://imageshack.us)
Also I don't think Nuwangi will hurt Eruruu...
sword totting doggie ear -> Touka. And yes, a woman
I'm not sure about doggie ear. Those look more like eagle feathers to me. Yes, it's a strange place to have little eagle winglets but that's what they look more like.
Even if they flee to the village... it doesn't matter... since the bad guys are after An-chan... not Eruruu... and they probably already know An-chans location... from what I can tell it's the fort from the previous episode...
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4614/thecastle0009qh.png (http://imageshack.us)
Also I don't think Nuwangi will hurt Eruruu...
Bad guys would be after Hakuoro(?), yes. But it's the village rebellion that has the Emperor pissed off. That is placed that the entire village is in danger. How Nuwangi will treat Eruruu ...probably will be decided depending on how it plays out on the battle field. But a danger none the less.
RunningTARGET
2006-05-21, 09:14
So there was a thread like this, I cant belive I didnt see it.
Ok from what I was saying in eps 7 thread, Hakuoro could properbly be a scientist.
The wheel in the ending...
The first thing that struck me as odd is the wheel in the ending... and on the wheel... there's a bird and 2 demons (?)... the one on the left seems to be a fire demon... and the one on the right a water/wind demon...
Since we have a fire demon in the opening... we can presume that’s the fire demon... and since An-chan weapon is a fan we can presume that he's the water/wind demon... also since An-chan was suffering in the flames it's very unlikely that he is the fire demon...
There is another possibility... it could be that An-chan is neither... I mean unless he was facing a mirror... I doubt he would be able to see his mouth... of course he can see the mouth of his enemy devouring him... it's getting too grouse for me so I'll limit it at that...
Ok from what you said here, Hakuoro could have been injured and angel girl came in the last minute and saved him, maybe. :heh:
Here is my take on it. Like I said before Hakuoro could be a scientistis, he is very smart person and just plain intelligent. if he was a scientist his main field would have been biology. If so he could have created a lot of things that are living, maybe clones or the ultimate fighting soldier, like the monsters in the opening.
WARNING! although this is just a speculation of mine it is rather deep and I mean very, If you dont want to get spoiled then i sugest you avoid reading it. ;)
What if the blue and red monsters represent two technologicaly advanced oposing fanctions and the thing they surround is a power so great that it wiped out most of all human life centuries ago. It could had happen cause we see something blowing up in the opening too. And the monsters in the ending could likely be biologicaly created soldiers by the highly intelligent scientist of that era. And what if one of those scientist is Hakouro.
Hakuoro in general could have been living in an era of war and was used purely for the purpose of making weapons. What if he made him self a mutation also. I wonder. He properbly would had been a general to boot, which would explain his leadership, his tactition aspecs and his capability of fighting. Then how about his great +40 level charisma, what if it wasnt him but the mask that he weares thats doing it, what if he created that in the past. Than you properbly thinking how did he servived for centuries then? What if he was cryogenicaly frozen instead (a referance to the opening also) and manage to free him somehow (although unlikely), or someone freed him (angel girl maybe, also unlikely). This could clearly shows how he came to be. And how he lost his memory could be because of the great passage of time, or againg he made something to make himself forget before he froze himself.
All this has made a lot of sense to me and the scary thing is I maybe right. How about the other two things, the state of the people now and the angel girl.
These are just purely guesses but here goes. The state of the people now could be purely evolution or just straight mutation (think Xmen), that purely may have been caused by the wars of the past. You just dont know what Hakuoro may have been up to, they may also be past creations of his. How about angel girl? Well she may had been the great power the two sides wanted but too powerfull to contain that she decided to blow up everything, well thats my take on it I guess.
Ok thats my take on the Op and End, but I could be wrong. After all I have avoided the cgs and never played the game, so my guess is as good as everyone elses here. You never know it could be that aliens came down what could had been earth and decided to kill everyone, or I could be way off and could just be a world of deamons and magic.
well thanks for your patience.
Oh boy I wrote too much.;)
Oh boy I wrote too much.;)
You have yet to surpass me :p
Anyway.., those are some pretty interesting concepts.., and I have to say I agree what most you said.
The fact for this is.., I previously had speculated some similar aspects, mostely regarding the two dragons (The Blue one and the Red one) we see at the end of the Ending Theme..; in fact.., I also belive the entire posts are on the original "Utawarerunomo" thread that was on the 'fansub's' section but then it got moved here.
Anyway.., regarding the dragons.., someone answered there to the supositions that I made, and I have to say.., I wasn't dissapointed ;)
So.., you should check out the last pages there if you want to confirm better your supositions :)
But all and all, its a very solid based speculation.., I can certanly see alot of similar things as you said happen in the series.
So there was a thread like this, I cant belive I didnt see it.
Ok from what I was saying in eps 7 thread, Hakuoro could properbly be a scientist.
Ok from what you said here, Hakuoro could have been injured and angel girl came in the last minute and saved him, maybe. :heh:
Here is my take on it. Like I said before Hakuoro could be a scientistis, he is very smart person and just plain intelligent. if he was a scientist his main field would have been biology. If so he could have created a lot of things that are living, maybe clones or the ultimate fighting soldier, like the monsters in the opening.
WARNING! although this is just a speculation of mine it is rather deep and I mean very, If you dont want to get spoiled then i sugest you avoid reading it. ;)
What if the blue and red monsters represent two technologicaly advanced oposing fanctions and the thing they surround is a power so great that it wiped out most of all human life centuries ago. It could had happen cause we see something blowing up in the opening too. And the monsters in the ending could likely be biologicaly created soldiers by the highly intelligent scientist of that era. And what if one of those scientist is Hakouro.
Hakuoro in general could have been living in an era of war and was used purely for the purpose of making weapons. What if he made him self a mutation also. I wonder. He properbly would had been a general to boot, which would explain his leadership, his tactition aspecs and his capability of fighting. Then how about his great +40 level charisma, what if it wasnt him but the mask that he weares thats doing it, what if he created that in the past. Than you properbly thinking how did he servived for centuries then? What if he was cryogenicaly frozen instead (a referance to the opening also) and manage to free him somehow (although unlikely), or someone freed him (angel girl maybe, also unlikely). This could clearly shows how he came to be. And how he lost his memory could be because of the great passage of time, or againg he made something to make himself forget before he froze himself.
All this has made a lot of sense to me and the scary thing is I maybe right. How about the other two things, the state of the people now and the angel girl.
These are just purely guesses but here goes. The state of the people now could be purely evolution or just straight mutation (think Xmen), that purely may have been caused by the wars of the past. You just dont know what Hakuoro may have been up to, they may also be past creations of his. How about angel girl? Well she may had been the great power the two sides wanted but too powerfull to contain that she decided to blow up everything, well thats my take on it I guess.
Ok thats my take on the Op and End, but I could be wrong. After all I have avoided the cgs and never played the game, so my guess is as good as everyone elses here. You never know it could be that aliens came down what could had been earth and decided to kill everyone, or I could be way off and could just be a world of deamons and magic.
well thanks for your patience.
Oh boy I wrote too much.;)
I like your theory very much, i dig post-apocalyptic :D but here are my issues with it:
Hakuoro doesnt look anything like a scientist! Techno-general maybe, captain of a space station, politician maybe, but not a scientist. I can't think of a better way to put it, but he just doesnt exude those vibes. :heh:
I also dont see why Hakuoro has to have been preserved, or frozen for a long time, i.e. exist a long long time ago. Remember, he has the mutations that make him one of those supposedly mutated, he is one of them.
I haven played the game either.
But to me, this just a straight forward original story set in world that totally has no relation to earth or its technologies (as we know it today). Sure it might be post-apo, they might have had technology in the past, but none of it related to our world. (forgive me if I'm misinterpreting you)
Also, I don't think they were mutated from humans, or that they are related. They just existed as they were, tails, wings and all, for the purpose of the game, and now, anime. Heh. Call me unimaginative. But thats my take.
Orchunter226
2006-05-21, 12:17
But to me, this just a straight forward original story set in world that totally has no relation to earth or its technologies (as we know it today). Sure it might be post-apo, they might have had technology in the past, but none of it related to our world. (forgive me if I'm misinterpreting you)
Also, I don't think they were mutated from humans, or that they are related. They just existed as they were, tails, wings and all, for the purpose of the game, and now, anime. Heh. Call me unimaginative. But thats my take.
I think that Hakuoro is an indication that it is related to Earth. He is clearly Human with no animal aspects about him. I think that this planet was colonized a long time ago by Earth and forgotten about. Hakuoro may have been one of the original colonists and cryogenically frozen.
I think the people were Human once, but either evolved to that, or were test subject by the colonists.
That's my speculation as to where it is.
RunningTARGET
2006-05-21, 16:04
I think that Hakuoro is an indication that it is related to Earth. He is clearly Human with no animal aspects about him. I think that this planet was colonized a long time ago by Earth and forgotten about. Hakuoro may have been one of the original colonists and cryogenically frozen.
I think the people were Human once, but either evolved to that, or were test subject by the colonists.
That's my speculation as to where it is.
Actualy reading your post now kind off enforces the material I writen on aliens and such, and I wasnt being too serious on that one.
It could be that Hakuoro is the alien that came from the planet earth and came to this particular planet, with others of course.
And the dude in the Op that has his face covered could likely know Hakuoro, he also could be human like him.
Damn need to go to go work! I would add to this later.
I was going to add abit more but it seems I cant anymore.
Taken from the main thread:
Alu's small speculation, not necessarily a spoiler...
I have strong suspicions that Hakuoro might be..
a God of some sorts.., either way.. something very powerfull.
We do see in the OP a rising dragon-like creature, and also someone frozen in ice.
At the end we see the pictures of 2 dragons, a blue and a red one facing each other.
It is possible that he is indeed one of them who was sealed somehow and currently has yet to "awaken"
Well I read the coresponding spoiler you quoted and they mentioned you were halfway there, but some of my previous speculation is now void. Knowing this now though has made me speculate on it more. Specially now that I have an Idea on who the other half is. But I cant say it cause its now considered a spoiler. Damn!
Actualy I have an Idea of what the mask is for now. Here is a vid cap fo the start of eps 1 http://xs201.xs.to/xs201/06211/snapshot20060522132903.jpg (http://xs.to) It has a use, It all makes sense now.
Well my speculation on what the bird in the middle means still stands.
He is clearly Human with no animal aspects about him.
It could be that Hakuoro is the alien that came from the planet earth and came to this particular planet, with others of course.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7599/aaa0tc.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa0tc.jpg)
I always had the impression that those hid Ears. Dog ears. Or whatever kind of ears, but ears, and not of the Human kind. :heh: I could be wrong tho. But I don't think I am. :D :uhoh:
I like your colonized theory. But as for being cryogenically frozen (and I'm assuming you're basing it off the picture in the OP below),
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3040/aaa10fc.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa10fc.jpg)
That doesnt look like a very technologically savvy (or safe, by medical standards) way of cryopreserving someone. But if you said magically frozen, why not?
Anyhow based on what could be a human ear (see arrow) that may well be a human, and would make my opinion of non-relatedness to humans void.
Actualy I have an Idea of what the mask is for now. Here is a vid cap fo the start of eps 1
Spoiler for vid cap:
It has a use, It all makes sense now.
Well my speculation on what the bird in the middle means still stands.
Eh.. what use is that?
So you are saying that the bird in the middle is that powerful angel to wants to prevent the two opposing sides from gaining something? The one who saved Hakuoro?
So you are saying that the bird in the middle is that powerful angel to wants to prevent the two opposing sides from gaining something? The one who saved Hakuoro?
I had overlooked this aspect.., Its quite possible that the bird in the middle of the 2 dragons at the end of the Ending Theme may resemble the Angel person with the Halo we see at the end of the OP.
I belive even Shinova has her for a avi here..
@Lost :
Those "things" you circled are just plain and simple Horns.., Hakuoro's mask is a "Oni" mask.., most "Oni" masks all have the same aspects, specificaly, those Horns :)
RunningTARGET
2006-05-22, 16:00
Eh.. what use is that?
As if you couldn't put it together? :twitch: ;)
Ok to make it nice and simple, The mask could be what reverted him back to his human form, if he was really that deamon at the start. And by the looks of the vid cap he couldnt revert back, hence the mask was used. The mask properbly sealed his powers and stoping him from reverting back.
Actualy from the vid cap you put of the frozen person, I guess it makes them not as technolocaly savvy afterall. :D
With regard to my previous post; now having found out that Hakuoro does have human-like ears (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=568849&posted=1#post568849), then I think that its highly possible that person in the ice crystal could be Hakuoro. Which makes ur theories make sense now..
Which then means that there is something behind those mask "protrusions", what Alu alludes to as being horns.. but.. hmm. Dragon horns? :uhoh:
About the mask; so its not going to be a good thing if he takes it off. Reasonable, reasonable..
I went to do a small little search as in to try and find more detailed information for Lost regarding the type of mask that Hakuoro uses and I came across this..
Taken from Wiki :
" In the earliest legends, oni were benevolent creatures said to be able to ward off evil and malevolent spirits and to punish evil-doers. Japanese Buddhism incorporated these beliefs by at least the 13th century, calling the creatures aka-oni ("red oni") and ao-oni ("blue oni") and making them the guardians of hell or the torturers of the wicked there. They also came to be recognized as Shinto spirits (or kami). "
It seems to me more and more possible that the parts in which I underlined in bold refer to the 2 dragons we see at the Ending Theme; thus I belive making Hakuoro definitly beeing one of them, as it is all related to the Oni mask he uses.
Hmmm Guardians of Hell, eh. Ah.. Hence that very first "jaw" scene in ep1? I remember it was a fiery hot scene. Reconcilable to the "science" aspect RunningTARGET was taking. Maybe Hakuoro was one of them, or maybe, he escaped from "Hell"- Earth :D
edit: Btw, Alu, thanks for the research you did :D
Hakuoro doesn't belong in that world.
Well, i guess that's kind of obverious, with his human features and that mask. But I think there's also a more sinister reason why he just appeared with that mask. Everywhere he goes, misfortune follows. Notice:
Hakuoro shows up -> pisses off Nuwangi -> shrine gets trashed -> people dies -> Hakuoro kills Mutikapa (something the villagers would never do if he didn't come because Mutikapa was reveared)
Hakuoro shows up -> arguement with Sasante -> Mukkuru bites one of those lizards -> Tusukuru saves Aruruu but die later -> rebellion across the country led by Hakuoro
What would happen once Hakuoro becomes the emperor of the country? Looks to me like the more people trust in Hakuoro, the bigger the war he starts. (notice he himself wounder if what he's doing is right once he becomes the head of the rebellion) Together with that orbital beam thing in the intro, I reckon that whole planet is some kind of social experiment and Hakuoro was inserted as some sort of catalyst
RunningTARGET
2006-06-08, 21:41
Hakuoro doesn't belong in that world.
Well, i guess that's kind of obverious, with his human features and that mask. But I think there's also a more sinister reason why he just appeared with that mask. Everywhere he goes, misfortune follows. Notice:
Hakuoro shows up -> pisses off Nuwangi -> shrine gets trashed -> people dies -> Hakuoro kills Mutikapa (something the villagers would never do if he didn't come because Mutikapa was reveared)
Hakuoro shows up -> arguement with Sasante -> Mukkuru bites one of those lizards -> Tusukuru saves Aruruu but die later -> rebellion across the country led by Hakuoro
What would happen once Hakuoro becomes the emperor of the country? Looks to me like the more people trust in Hakuoro, the bigger the war he starts. (notice he himself wounder if what he's doing is right once he becomes the head of the rebellion) Together with that orbital beam thing in the intro, I reckon that whole planet is some kind of social experiment and Hakuoro was inserted as some sort of catalyst
Maybe. but if you think about it, if it weren't for Hakuoro, Eruru would still be living in a country with a corrupt government. Think of the furries. :D
Not sure but I think in eps 11, hakouro's new enemy might lead an attack on Eruru's and Aruru's village. I coulnd see why else Aruru might cry. :(
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-09, 00:46
ahem ahem~....keep that to yourself RT...no spoilers allowed xD
someone erect a dam for teary eyes plz XD
thats not a spoiler. its a prediction. and if you've watched episode 10 then u should have seen the preview
What happens, happens. But i can see your point, Temstar. There's definitely a trend here:
1.) Hakuoro left to die in the forest without anything, not even memories ---> He got a lovely family.
2.) A monster tiger atacked the village and tried to eat him ---> He defeated the tiger and got accept by the village
3.) Corrupt government members tried to destroy the pacific life of the village ---> He became the new leader of the village and destroy the corrupt members
4.) Corrupt emperor tried to destroy his rebellion group ---> He defeated the corrupt emperor and became the new emperor
5.) Winged race pays a visit to his new country ---> he became friends with winged race, and with some powerful warriors too.
And, from now on...
6.) Another powerful country atacks his country ---> he defeats the other country and unifies to his own (?)
If that keeps going on, Hakuoro will become the new emperor of the World!! :eek:
Talking about high charisma (and luck) stats... :heh:
All i know is: I want to see a harem ending here! Just look how much cute/moe all the girls are!! ;) :love:
Karura - Found aboard Na Tunkian slave trading ship. Presumably, seen as to be traded off for money or other goods/favors at another location. Ship sunken during an storm off of what appears to be off the coast of the country of Tusukuru. Believed by some that Karura may have been drugged during transport, as noted to her collapse after the initial killing of the surviving Na Tunkian slave traders.
Her physical strength however, remarkable. With clearly, she could have had control at any time over what was to happen to herself during the transport. Then, leaving only two things to mind.
1. Aboard undercover, only as to discover who the buyer/s may be. To either later detain, kill, extort, and/or gather information.
2. If aboard against her will, as little to nothing could detain her physically, be it the trader and the buyer/s, one would have to detain her mentally in a way, that with her refusal, would bring great harm to something or someone that she cares for.
That with the first, her work probably ended when they wouldn't be able to reach their destination. But with killing the slave traders, may be part of the job, maybe not. Yet with the thought of just letting her drown to death, her killing them probably had an good sweet taste of revenge added to it.
The second, hell, probably thoughts of her own then if what she cared for was even still there or not. But now, that necklace an reminder of that pain. And her will to fight even stronger, as vengeance shines its light with her.
Believed by some that Karura may have been drugged during transport, as noted to her collapse after the initial killing of the surviving Na Tunkian slave traders.
Why couldn't she just have been drugged against her will (a little valium in her gruel), and then carried onto the ship?
Why couldn't she just have been drugged against her will (a little valium in her gruel), and then carried onto the ship?
What the quote says. Yet if drugged, it surely didn't work, as she would have already been dead by now. Also, she would have had to be drugged and monitored every minute by the seller and the buyer. Else that strength of hers would be an problem, if only the drugs keeping her under control.
What the quote says. Yet if drugged, it surely didn't work, as she would have already been dead by now. Also, she would have had to be drugged and monitored every minute by the seller and the buyer. Else that strength of hers would be an problem, if only the drugs keeping her under control.
Huh. What quote says what??
Anyhow, not necessarily dead, maybe by chance she still somehow woke up in the middle of the storm. Because, the episode clearly shows her waking up.
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But yeah I agree with you. The main problem imo is: Karura looks like she has a history of being a slave. (When she says she has long forgotten stuff about her country) Yet how did her masters control such a strong slave thruout all this time?
Like you said, they could have either (1) constantly drug her, or (2) (and i think this is more probable) they held someone she loved hostage.
Then again, one other possibility I derived from your 1st point (in the spoiler of your previous post) is that (3) yeah, she's undercover, but not in the sense as working for someone, but rather to reach the HEAD and to exact her revenge. (i.e. that HEAD may have killed her family or destroyed her village) Or to discover where other members of her family where taken to. Hmmm.
Another point: If they knew about her strength (which logically, they should) then why shackle her with chains they know she can easily break? I can only think of one reason: they expected the drugs to work.
Or, they really didnt know about Karura's strenght but that would be improbable.
Yep, some things don't really add up about Karura, which I also commented on in the episode discussion. Ofcourse you can try to make up theories to explain this but I wouldn't be surprised if the plot writers simply messed up. Main reason I'm starting to think this is that I'm not really pleased with the story so far. Awkward pacing/flow of the story at times, and several events that lack credibility - such as this one. Don't get me wrong, there are some interesting characters and I like the animation/style, but I'm getting the feeling that the script is rather weak.
KaneDragon
2006-06-22, 18:36
Hmm... based on this ep and the opening... Hakuoro's evil brother-in-law framed him for doing some kind of Diabolical Deed in a fiendish attempt to get the power himself to summon/turn into GODZILLA. This is Hakuoro's hidden ability. In the end, the REAL bad guy shows up, who reveals him/her/itself to be the Evil Entity behind all the OTHER Evil Emperors and kills the Evil Brother-In-Law just to show how badass he/she/it is. This Evil Entity then summons GODZILLA, but is foiled at the last second by the Yippy Girl With Black Wings, who also as a Secret Ability - calling down Nuclear Death Strikes from orbit. In your face, Evil Entity!
Trust me, I've seen it all before. :p
LoStSouLs
2006-06-23, 20:34
i really have no idea what direction this show could go in, as it keeps surprising me with how amazing it is.
weeeeeee for 2 years of being absent here <_<
Maybe that mask was to seal his powers and evil entity within him....
*looks at babuji post*
:) You may be right...
:( But I don't think it's his demonic powers...
:D Maybe he has a demon inside of him... and the mask seals it...
:confused: I've been wondering for how long he had that mask...
:rolleyes: At least we can be sure about one thing... his good/evil thing has nothing to do with his personality...
:D ... he had a family after all... I don't think he had severe memory losses all his life...
*looks at LoStSouLs post*
:p It might go nowhere... well... looks like some apocalypse is coming...
:D You are right... the show is amazing... and the coolest part is that Hakuoro is dependent on others... and is relatively weak...
:cool: ... makes it realistic...
:p No crap… like… leader is 100 times stronger then his army...
:( I'm afraid it's too cool to last... they'll find some stupid way to ruin it...
...almost forgot...
:D Welcome Back...
ohh... and...
:D Nice meeting you...
*looks at Lost post*
;) Karura is a magical little fairy... that… or she's also possessed by some demon...
:D ... well I'm only presuming this based on the bent laws of nature...
Yep, a magical little fairy that wields a tonne sword, no its not even a sword, its an obsidian stick with an edge that she wields in the most gravitic law-bending positions in one hand (the size of which is a quarter that of the hilt); a stick that not even a battlehardened warrior could lift with two. Plus this fairy drinks sake like air. :p You know, I like BlackCat's creative way of posting :heh:
Hmm... based on this ep and the opening... Hakuoro's evil brother-in-law framed him for doing some kind of Diabolical Deed in a fiendish attempt to get the power himself to summon/turn into GODZILLA. This is Hakuoro's hidden ability. In the end, the REAL bad guy shows up, who reveals him/her/itself to be the Evil Entity behind all the OTHER Evil Emperors and kills the Evil Brother-In-Law just to show how badass he/she/it is. This Evil Entity then summons GODZILLA, but is foiled at the last second by the Yippy Girl With Black Wings, who also as a Secret Ability - calling down Nuclear Death Strikes from orbit. In your face, Evil Entity!
Trust me, I've seen it all before. :p Then why show Hakuoro killing his family? How would framing Hakuoro give the borther-in-law that power? Why risk hiring a very very skilled Fighter-of-Justice when you are in the wrong? Doesnt add up.. :heh:
LoStSouLs, are you and I kindred? :p
From Episode 17.
Has anyone thought if this apparant dispute (as told by Kuuya) between Onbitaekayan (the
"true" Onkami) and Witarnemitea (the rebel) could relate personally to Hakuoro. I say so because that mention of such a dispute reminded me of the dragons in OP/ED which reminded me of Hakuoro. Simply put, Hakuoro could be either of them; possibly Onbitaekayan; having been displaced to lesser form and losing his memory.
From Episode 17.
Has anyone thought if this apparant dispute (as told by Kuuya) between Onbitaekayan (the "true" Onkami) and Witarnemitea (the rebel) could relate personally to Hakuoro. I say so because that mention of such a dispute reminded me of the dragons in OP/ED which reminded me of Hakuoro. Simply put, Hakuoro could be either of them; possibly Onbitaekayan; having been displaced to lesser form and losing his memory.
That idea rang through my mind when I watched episode 17 the second time around slowly and grasped all the technical aspects of it. There's no denying that something is up with Hakuoro. I hate to support Niwe with his crazy laugh, but he is a beast. :|
Whether his existance extends further to "spiritual proportions" or not wouldn't be very far from the truth. If you look at things logically, we've heard nothing about Hakuoro's past. Since he has temporaily manifested himself as a creature twice in these 17 episodes, and there's no reports of strange beasts or magic in the Utawarerumono universe (only gods), one could assume he is either Onbitaekayan or Witarnemitea. If this theory is true (and so far there's nothing to contridict it), it is my personal belief that he is the rebellious god Witarnemitea.
I justify this by looking at a curious analogy. Isn't it a strange coincidence how Kuuya's story of the Onkami is partially remenicient with what Hakuoro did to the country of Tousukuru? He rebelled and took the throne. So did Witarnemitea. There's only 9 episodes left in the series. If this speculation turns out wrong, they must be preparing for a huuuuuuge climax.
The dragon-like things in the OP/ED signify something important for them to be in the OP/ED at all (especially in the ED, where they dominate its entire duration). If me, Lost, and other peoples' theory holds true - that Hakuoro is a god - then the mural we glimpse in the ending credits might possibly be Hakuoro...possibly. Which one is he? The red or the blue? My guess is he is the blue entity on the left. He is the first figure we see when the ending credits start to roll. Plus he has a person wrapped around his left arm - most likely Eruruu. In the mural, the person wrapped in an arm wears red, and so does Eruruu. You can't say it's Aruruu because the only red she wears is her obi. If it's Eruruu, it would make a lot of sense. I could be very mistaken though.
Questions still remain about the ED: who is the winged character in the center of the mural? Who is the red entity on the right? Seriously, as many of us might have predicted, the stakes in Utawarerumono are getting higher and higher with every episodee.
The strange winged individual we saw in episodes 13-15 reminds me a lot of Kuja from Final Fantasy IX. His stoic nature and cold look suggests that he is a villian far greater than Orikakan or Niwe ever was, and he will be the one in conflict in the climatic moments of the series. He better not kidnap and violate my precious Eruruu or there will be hell to pay!
Questions still remain about the ED: who is the winged character in the center of the mural? Who is the red entity on the right? Seriously, as many of us might have predicted, the stakes in Utawarerumono are getting higher and higher with every episodee.
Could it be the little princess from ep17... maybe that's the mysterious power they have... that she was talking about...
We even see a monster roaming the forest after they leave so its plausible...
I'm personally wondering who the angel that helped Niwe is... and what the heck was he up to...
I'm personally wondering who the angel that helped Niwe is... and what the heck was he up to...
Definitely up to no good.. to be able to stand aside and let (and maybe even encourage) Niwe in his crazy endeavors.
Hey if he is related to the followers of Witarnemitea (u know, the "peacekeepers" in Hakuoro's harem) because of having wings too, then he may:
(1) represent a priest of that other "true" god, Onbitaekayan, and be interested in either 1. restoring Hakuoro if H is really that god, or 2. interested in destroying H if he is the "rebel" Witarnemitea
(2) or be a rouge priest of the "rebel" Witarnemitea that knows the truth. And be interested in either restoring H, or in destroying H if the true god.
Hell, in the vein of Scrapped Princess, I think we will actually see that other god. (again assuming H is one of the two.)
And I put true and rebel in "" because all we have now is Kuuya's word, cant really be trusted as yet. They actually did a similar theme in Scrapped Princess ~ followers of a "true" god versus those of the "false", "evil" god. Hahaha.. the similarities to SP.
(3) Then again, he may be a freeloader, hoping to use and control Hakuoro as Niwe wanted. And yes he better not violate Eruruu. Or Aruruu. Or Mukuru.
sedukshun
2006-08-06, 19:18
after watchin episode 18
i think karuru will kill that na tunk weird stoned emporer
and that angel dude who was with emporer (the "KYAKAKAKA" laughing guy) will appear again later ~ his true power is unknown... ~ and wot is his business for returning? hmmmmmms O.o"
hakuoro will turn into the "beast" demon thingy and probably hurt some love ones =/ ~ perhaps kill? like how he did before he lost his memories
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