Rukia's Zanpaktou

[DarkKnightZero]

Am I the only one curious to see Rukias Zanpaktou? I would also like to know whats its name is.

Sorry if they already show or discuss this in the Manga, I only watch the anime.

[NaNash|]

Shikai: Sode no Shirayuki

[cheez rocks]

No matter what it does, it would look better with ?Ichigo using it, cuz Rukia sux

[Thewanderer]

No matter what it does, it would look better with ?Ichigo using it, cuz Rukia sux
But Rukia's teh hotness.

[Nuzzles]

But Rukia's teh hotness.

I always thought she was the ugly duckling we're supposed to feel sorry for.

[Thewanderer]

I always thought she was the ugly duckling we're supposed to feel sorry for.
She is. That's what makes her so hot.

[Nuzzles]

She is. That's what makes her so hot.

Guess we have all sorts of Bleach fans on here, then. :p :heh: (As crazy people as you may be!)

[Thewanderer]

Guess we have all sorts of Bleach fans on here, then. :p :heh: (As crazy people as you may be!)
I dunno, I'm pretty crazy:heh:

[horsdhaleine]

i wonder when will she use it?

[Thewanderer]

i wonder when will she use it?...well she don't have it back yet in the anime, apparently. I'd say give it 20 more episodes.

[horsdhaleine]

i just bought bleach volume 23...

rukia's zanpakutou is very nice!!! :D

[Strygwyr]

Certainly we all seen Rukia's zanpakto now.

[tensashinigami]

yeah, the weird thing; only two people in the bleach universe have the same guards are ichigo (when we see his zanpakotou in the seal state) and rukia; so far.

[Cursing Strike]

I love her Zanpaktou, the one she says "white sword", not on the destructive level, but it can kick ass.

[kagato3]

yeah, the weird thing; only two people in the bleach universe have the same guards are ichigo (when we see his zanpakotou in the seal state) and rukia; so far.

Thats because it was her zanpakotou. Ichigo never had a sealed state for his.

[Shippo]

meh...another ice element sword...though better than Hitsugaya's lame "dragon effects".

[tensashinigami]

Thats because it was her zanpakotou. Ichigo never had a sealed state for his.

Since, Ichigo did not have a sealed state and according to himself. He was fighting Byakuya in shiki state.

When he gain his powers back from Urahara training, he should have came out of "Shattered Shaft" in Zangetsu form; the big japanese chef knife.

So... the broken Zanpakotou (not awaken) after he gain his "own" powers was still Rukia's zanpakotou. Can you explain to me, the strings attach to the hilt? Who do they belong to?


I'm just curious.

[Strygwyr]

Since, Ichigo did not have a sealed state and according to himself. He was fighting Byakuya in shiki state.

When he gain his powers back from Urahara training, he should have came out of "Shattered Shaft" in Zangetsu form; the big japanese chef knife.

So... the broken Zanpakotou (not awaken) after he gain his "own" powers was still Rukia's zanpakotou. Can you explain to me, the strings attach to the hilt? Who do they belong to?


I'm just curious.

Rukia zanpaktou is small and thin...Ichigo's first zanpaktou was like a knight's sword.....and I don't know why u asking about the string of the hilt but it was certainly ichigo's.

[kk2extreme]

i wonder what her bankai would do if the author ever show it, not even soifon's bankai is revealed yet.

side note: since her zanpaktou is also ice base, she could ask hitsugaya for some advice :)

[Zu Ra]

We have already discussed this topic at hand way way back around 267 chapter thread . They are the same zanpakutos . Kindly refer these posts

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869629&postcount=169

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869640&postcount=170

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869645&postcount=171

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869820&postcount=178

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869847&postcount=179

[MidnightViper88]

It makes sense if you look at it this way; Ichigo can wield Rukia's sealed Sode no Shirayuki, but as long as Ichigo never knew of Sode no Shirayuki's name, he couldn't access Rukia's unique powers, thus making Sode no Shirayuki, in Ichigo's hands, just another normal and nameless zanpakuto...The only reason Ichigo got his hands on Sode no Shirayuki is because Rukia transferred her Soul Reaper powers to Ichigo, so when Byakuya destroyed Ichigo's spiritual powers the first time around, Ichigo had to start from scratch, and thus with some help by Kisuke he would learn of his own inherent power, Zangetsu...

It's not about what the zanpakuto looks like, but rather it's it's name that differentiates one zanpakuto from another...Ichigo didn't know of Sode no Shirayuki but he did know of Zangetsu...

[Cursing Strike]

I think even Ichigo knew the name of Rukia's zanpaktou he won't be able to access the hidden power of Sode no Shirayuki.

[slowmotion]

I think an even more curious observation that I have made is that ichigo's bankai sword also has a very similar guard to byakuya's zanpaktou. In fact, the swords look almost identical. Could this be because byakuya was the first person ichigo used bankai on or is there some type of link between rukia and byakuya's zanpaktous?:confused:

[Cursing Strike]

I think an even more curious observation that I have made is that ichigo's bankai sword also has a very similar guard to byakuya's zanpaktou. In fact, the swords look almost identical. Could this be because byakuya was the first person ichigo used bankai on or is there some type of link between rukia and byakuya's zanpaktous?:confused:

The second command white ripple is also cool.

btw: Ichigo's bankai state zanpaktou and Byakuya's zanpaktou guard's are different.

[MidnightViper88]

I think even Ichigo knew the name of Rukia's zanpaktou he won't be able to access the hidden power of Sode no Shirayuki.

Off the bat and in a matter of days on his own, no...But Tousen is able to use Suzumushi with proficiency and that isn't even his own inherent zanpakuto, so depending on the person and the situation, it's plausible...

[Saki_chan]

I always thought she was the ugly duckling we're supposed to feel sorry for.She is. That's what makes her so hot.

Sorry, but I for one am ready to see the swan already.

[~viva.la.vida~]

rukia's zanpaktou is so pwetty 8D~ i hope she'll bankai soon

[CMHerrera]

Rukia Bankai would be really nice to see.

[Cursing Strike]

That would be "cool".

[tensashinigami]

Yeah, it would be curious what her bankai looks like. However, I don't think she has that greater chance as Ichigo, Renji, and Ikkaku. Whoever else is keeping his/ her bankai a secret. She does not have that resolve in her heart to supprass anyone.

[~viva.la.vida~]

all we have to do now is wait and see if kubo will bring it out in this arc .-. .. ah good old kubo... yeah this is gonna be a long wait >,<

[Utsukushii Hono'o]

I dunno, I'm pretty crazy:heh:


You think so? From your posts you're actually pretty normal. Just with a dry sense of humor...

Since, Ichigo did not have a sealed state and according to himself. He was fighting Byakuya in shiki state.

When he gain his powers back from Urahara training, he should have came out of "Shattered Shaft" in Zangetsu form; the big japanese chef knife.

So... the broken Zanpakotou (not awaken) after he gain his "own" powers was still Rukia's zanpakotou. Can you explain to me, the strings attach to the hilt? Who do they belong to?


I'm just curious.


Although Ichigo found Zangestu and unlocked his power. That was only what we call manifestation. His powers manifested themselves into a form. And avatar of them. Ichigo still had not physically called his soul-slayer out yet or used his own powers. Until he called Zangetsu's name he wasn't using them yet. (His own powers) That is why he couldn't hear the name and still had sword and scabbard that was an exaggerated version of Rukia's


If Rukia were to get a Bankai . I think her first dance. Tsugi no Mai. (Ice circle) would probably cover a larger area or she would probably be able to put more than one in an area. Given a greater range of attacks.

Haikuren would probably be the same. A bigger wave and she probably get something like Ice Circle

The move she used on #9 the faux Kaien. Could probably become a spear or launch part of self, like little bullets.

[Thewanderer]

Sorry, but I for one am ready to see the swan already.Whatever sinks your submarine 8D

That would be "cool".No pun intended, amirite?:p

IMO, Rukia shouldn't get a Bankai. I don't think anyone else should aquire a Bankai anytime soon(unless there's a timeskip) for the simple fact that Bankai isn't supposed to be the level everyone and their mother reaches. Oh Rukia's Bankai would be awesome without a doubt, but IMO, it just don't fit continuity-wise yet.

[Cursing Strike]

No pun intended, amirite?:p

IMO, Rukia shouldn't get a Bankai. I don't think anyone else should aquire a Bankai anytime soon(unless there's a timeskip) for the simple fact that Bankai isn't supposed to be the level everyone and their mother reaches. Oh Rukia's Bankai would be awesome without a doubt, but IMO, it just don't fit continuity-wise yet.

Hey Ichigo and Renji got bankai, for me Rukia shouldn't be lefted out...and maybe Yumichica should get a bankai too.....Ikkaku has one.

[HaineOtomiya]

Rukia's zampakutou is so awsome. They've also just released it in english (finnaly) thought not in the episodes. You can catch a glimpse of it in the movie memories of nobody conveniently sold at wal mart. Wootness for cheap dvds =)

[Thewanderer]

Hey Ichigo and Renji got bankai, for me Rukia shouldn't be lefted out...and maybe Yumichica should get a bankai too.....Ikkaku has one.They shouldn't get one just because their buddies have one.

[MidnightViper88]

The power of bankai really gets downplayed if everyone and their pet has bankai...At first, only the strongest of the strong, the Captains, had bankai because they had the proficiency and strength of an expert Soul Reaper to weld bankai...

Ichigo is one exception, because he's the main protagonist of the show, so he needs some sort of uber power-up beyond his own capabilities...

But when you start giving the Lt.s bankai, it makes it seem like everyone can achieve bankai and everyone had uver-strength...Of course then you have anecdotal instances where a Captain's bankai is compared to an Lt.s bankai to show the reality in proficiency gaps, such as the Byakuya vs. Renji battle where they both use bankai, and when Sajin easily defeats Po with bankai after Ikkaku gets smacked down for arrogantly not using bankai...But the bandwagon still stands...

Rukia obviously included in the "Shouldn't" mix, just to stay on topic... :p

[Aquaman OS]

IMO, Rukia shouldn't get a Bankai. I don't think anyone else should aquire a Bankai anytime soon(unless there's a timeskip) for the simple fact that Bankai isn't supposed to be the level everyone and their mother reaches. Oh Rukia's Bankai would be awesome without a doubt, but IMO, it just don't fit continuity-wise yet.


Everyone else getting Bankai would cheapen it. However Rukia isn't everyone and their mother, she's the female lead and the 2nd main character of the show. If only one more character achieves it for the rest of the manga/anime it should be her.

[Cursing Strike]

Everyone else getting Bankai would cheapen it. However Rukia isn't everyone and their mother, she's the female lead and the 2nd main character of the show. If only one more character achieves it for the rest of the manga/anime it should be her.

Agreed, hey if Ichigo learned bankai from her zanpaktou, that wouldn't be fair Rukia.

[MidnightViper88]

Agreed, hey if Ichigo learned bankai from her zanpaktou, that wouldn't be fair Rukia.

*facepalm*

The zanpakuto Ichigo first had when he had Rukia's powers was Sode no Shirayuki, but when Ichigo lost Rukia's powers and regained his own power, he also gained his own zanpakuto Zangetsu...Ichigo learned bankai from Zangetsu, not from Sode no Shirayuki...

[Cursing Strike]

*facepalm*

The zanpakuto Ichigo first had when he had Rukia's powers was Sode no Shirayuki, but when Ichigo lost Rukia's powers and regained his own power, he also gained his own zanpakuto Zangetsu...Ichigo learned bankai from Zangetsu, not from Sode no Shirayuki...

I know...thats why what Im saying....What if Ichigo learned bankai from Sode no Shirayuki...that wouldn't be fair to Rukia.....heck Tousen never had his own powers...yet he learned bankai.

*facepalm*: should be more specific.

[miles316]

How do the Zanpaktou work are they a part of the sole reaper like the Baunts dolls or are they the sword separate independently intelligent entity

[Appurukami]

How do the Zanpaktou work are they a part of the sole reaper like the Baunts dolls or are they the sword separate independently intelligent entity

It's kinda both.
The shinigami and Zanpaktou are seperate spirits but I have heard quoted before "shinigami and their zanpaktou are one and the same".
Basically they are sperate but with a special bond :p

[Cub-Sama]

It's kinda both.
The shinigami and Zanpaktou are seperate spirits but I have heard quoted before "shinigami and their zanpaktou are one and the same".
Basically they are sperate but with a special bond :p

Actually to be more correct the Zanpaktou are embodiments of the Shinigami's spirit in blade form, the spirit of the swords personalities reflect sides of the user (Rangiku, Hitsugaya, Yumichaka)

[miles316]

So does Rukia still have a Zanpaktou or does she have to wait till she recovers from her time in the world of the living and her battles with the baunts. The only Bleach I have watched is on the Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. Is Rukia permanently incapable of using one due to her trauma when she met Ichigo and her imprisonment and attack from the Bounts.

[tensashinigami]

So does Rukia still have a Zanpaktou or does she have to wait till she recovers from her time in the world of the living and her battles with the baunts. The only Bleach I have watched is on the Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. Is Rukia permanently incapable of using one due to her trauma when she met Ichigo and her imprisonment and attack from the Bounts.

Well, you shouldn't ask the question if you only watch the anime episodes on Adult Swim because the answer will become a spoiler for you.

[miles316]

Spoilers don't bother me.

[tensashinigami]

Spoilers don't bother me.

Then..
Yeah, her zanpaktou does return after the bounto arc.

[miles316]

Thank you.

[tensashinigami]

Thank you.

No problem

[HazardNights]

Does anyone know which episode Sode no Shirayuki was first used?

[tensashinigami]

Does anyone know which episode Sode no Shirayuki was first used?

it's going to between the episode of 117, I do not exactly remember.

[HazardNights]

it's going to between the episode of 117, I do not exactly remember.

Thank you.

[tensashinigami]

No problem

[Meisterdieb]

There is the theory or rather it seems to be accepted as true, that in the beginning of Bleach Ichigo used Rukia's zanpakto.

Well, someone sent me this link http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=869640&postcount=170 but they don't seem conclusive to me at all.

Am I missing something? Do we have some other pictures that show the 2 swords more closely?

[Zu Ra]

They can't be the same blade because Ichigo was using Sode no Shirayuki before and Ichigo was relieved of her powers when Byakuya injured him. But why have Ichigo come out with a sword reminiscent of his days with Rukia's powers when he obviously doesn't have her powers anymore?

Chapter 01 : Ichigo borrows Rukia's shinigami powers gets Bloated SnS

Chapter 63 : Ichigo has his own shinigami powers awoken by Rukia Shinigami Powers hiding deep within his soul .


Active : Rukia's power / Inactive : Ichigo power hidden deep in his soul . When fighting against menos Ichigo was pouring in his reatsu from his soul overdosed on reatsu (Ishida tap / reservoir explanation chapter 49). SPECULATION: There is a high possibility of Ichigo Shinigami powers coming in contact with Rukia's Shinigami power via reatsu as he was unleashing his reatsu . And reatus is soul power / spirit power

So Ichigo emerged carrying a reminiscent of Rukia zanapakuto .

shikai is level 1, then I see the butter knife as level 0. I'm sure Shinigami Academy students deal with their zanpakutou's at level 0 too, I wouldn't expect them to learn shikai right away.

but there are others whose entire sword changes when released, thus changing the hilt along with the blade

The Data Book/Manga States Ichigo Zanpakuto is always released . Always released is released at all times. I would buy Theory of different stages if every time ichigo's zanapkuto was broken It would revert to the butter knife form . When a shinigami is almost dieing near death his bankai/Shikai disappears and reverts to its original form ( Renji Rukia Ikkaku) . It has never ONCE reverted to its original form ( Kenpachi / Ulqi )

Does that clarify my confusion? And if I go the other route and try to say that Ichigo was using Zangetsu at level 0 from the beginning and Rukia's powers were just the vehicle that allowed him to use Zangetsu before he developed his own shinigami powers, it doesn't explain why the cross guard looks the same as Rukia's....

Ichigo's power were awoken by Rukia's power. TO be awakened there were dormant in the start . The word chosen is awoken not simultaneously awoken . if the word simultaneously isn't used in conjunction with awoken it means at some point of time NOT at the same point / same time.

Also Zangetsu speech continuation from chapter 63 actually is in support of this .........


It was hidden deep inside your soul. Even before Kuchiki Byakuya attacked you . Come Find it ............. For you to find the Hidden 'power of shinigami'

[sakuraame]

I agree with almost everything that you've stated, but I just wanted to clarify what I meant with some of the statements.

shikai is level 1, then I see the butter knife as level 0. I'm sure Shinigami Academy students deal with their zanpakutou's at level 0 too, I wouldn't expect them to learn shikai right away.

but there are others whose entire sword changes when released, thus changing the hilt along with the blade

The Data Book/Manga States Ichigo Zanpakuto is always released . Always released is released at all times.

I only felt like I needed to name the stage before Ichigo yells out Zangetsu's name because the blade looked different. Zangetsu had not been released yet. After acknowledging Zangetsu's name, then yes, he releases and remains released. My point about the changing of the hilt was that the changing of the hilt during Zangetsu's first release didn't necessarily mean a different sword as there are other shinigamis whose hilt also changes during a release. So that would mean that the two swords could be the same blade, just in different forms.

I would buy Theory of different stages if every time ichigo's zanapkuto was broken It would revert to the butter knife form. When a shinigami is almost dieing near death his bankai/Shikai disappears and reverts to its original form ( Renji Rukia Ikkaku) . It has never ONCE reverted to its original form ( Kenpachi / Ulqi )

I'm not really sure what you mean original form. I didn't mean to insinuate that what I named Level 0 was the original form. It might be if you are a shinigami academy student and haven't attained shikai yet, but for shinigami that have attained shikai, I would posit that original form would mean their shikai. And if the dying shinigami doesn't even have enough reiatsu to maintain shikai, then their sealed state. But since Ichigo wields a constant release type zanpakutou, then yes, his shikai would be the original form.

Does that clarify my confusion? And if I go the other route and try to say that Ichigo was using Zangetsu at level 0 from the beginning and Rukia's powers were just the vehicle that allowed him to use Zangetsu before he developed his own shinigami powers, it doesn't explain why the cross guard looks the same as Rukia's....

Ichigo's power were awoken by Rukia's power. TO be awakened there were dormant in the start . The word chosen is awoken not simultaneously awoken . if the word simultaneously isn't used in conjunction with awoken it means at some point of time NOT at the same point / same time.

Also Zangetsu speech continuation from chapter 63 actually is in support of this .........

It was hidden deep inside your soul. Even before Kuchiki Byakuya attacked you . Come Find it ............. For you to find the Hidden 'power of shinigami'

Sorry, I shouldn't have chosen "developed". Um... used? Tapped into? Acknowledged? Actually, I'm not sure any of those are better. But what I meant to say was that if Rukia's power was just the bridge by which Ichigo was able to use some of his own shinigami powers (channeling his reiatsu, using Zangetsu in the shape of Sode no Shirayuki because he is using her powers as his aren't fully awoken as you point out), then why does Zangetsu still look like Sode no Shirayuki when he emerges from the shattered shaft when her powers have left him?

It's actually really funny, because for me, this started as an off topic discussion in the "What's up with Isshin?" thread and I didn't even realize that this thread was here. But actually, it was what kagato3 said that helped me put the last gear in place to understand that Ichigo is wielding the remains of Sode no Shirayuki until he calls out Zangetsu's name.

Per the captain of the 12th a Zanapakuto is easy to repair as long as the guard and grip remain intact.

What he came out of the shaft with was just the broken remains of Sode no Shirayuki and Urahara desroyed even the guard of it so only the grip remained. It was at that time that Zangetsu as why he hadn't called(summoned) him.

For me, the fact that kagato3 called the sword that Ichigo emerged with the remains of Sode no Shirayuki was the clincher because every other time people were telling me that Ichigo was still in possession of Sode no Shirayuki, which didn't make sense to me since Byakuya had already done his job. Or maybe I was just talking to the wrong people...

SPECULATION: There is a high possibility of Ichigo Shinigami powers coming in contact with Rukia's Shinigami power via reatsu as he was unleashing his reatsu . And reatus is soul power / spirit power

So Ichigo emerged carrying a reminiscent of Rukia zanapakuto .

Actually, coupled with your speculation I could still make an argument that Ichigo emerges with Zangetsu: because of Rukia's influence on his reiatsu, Zangetsu first takes the form of Rukia's zanpakutou because Ichigo still hasn't called him yet. After Ichigo calls him, Zangetsu drops Sode no Shirayuki's appearance and presents his own.

For me those are both satisfactory answers and I have no qualms about either. I find that they are both logically sound and doesn't really change anything plot wise if I pick one over the other.

Thanks for helping me out!