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Freakman
2006-05-09, 18:51
I find it a shame they didn't spend longer in the spooky warehouse (what's the name in english for that thing ?) or that the festival got shortened to like 4 images again ;; They could have just skipped the part where they explain all of the murders to Keiichi - although they made it clear this time that the third year's victims were Rika-chan's parents
But well. Everything's now in place for Watanagashi.
Can't wait :D
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-09, 19:31
I find it a shame they didn't spend longer in the spooky warehouse (what's the name in english for that thing ?)
Can't wait :D
Haunted House?
Let's see, where to start...
This has been a very informative episode. In fact, I think it may be the most dialogue heavy episode so far. I guess it can't be helped, since they're the absolute minimum required to move the story onwards. Well, I always considered Watanagashi-hen to be the foundation of all the question chapters, since it provided the most "general" information out of them all, so it's not unreasonable to have a talking episode like this one.
Now then, this episode contained many important revelations (if you ask me, it felt like they tried to squeeze in a little too much. Some of the scenes were only covered briefly, and didn't feel like they have the impact they were supposed to have). Most importantly, this is the first time we get a glimpse into the history of Hinamizawa and its villagers, the origin for the Watanagashi ceremony, as well as some hints from Oishi about the Sonozaki family. All of these information are going to become vital pieces in the overall puzzle, so it would be a good idea to listen very carefully to everything mentioned in this episode.
Personal comment: Fast. So fast. Maybe because this part of the game took a long time to a lot of information, it felt even more rushed than usual to see them all covered in 20 minutes. On the other hand, I'm probably used to the speed now, because I don't find myself screaming "omg they skipped/jumped/rushed over _____!!" like I did with Onikakushi anymore.
The ambiguious attitudes of Mion/Shion were captured nicely. Invoking thoughts like "It's clear that they're hiding something, but what can it be?"
From looking at the next episode preview, it looks like it'll go up to the soy sauce thing... Uuu... :(
Episode highlights (well, not much for this episode, personally). Again, don't look unless you have already seen the episode or don't mind being spoiled.
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*the setup*
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"AHH!!"
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Mion: "Shion! What are you doing together with Keichan again!?"
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Shion: "Because unlike Onee, I'm the type who can be considerate for others."
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Shion: "By the way, why is Onee holding two cups of barley tea?"
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Mion: "Ah, no, this is..."
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Shion: "It can't be that someone as unrefined as Onee, who only cares for herself, would be as considerate as to bring barley tea for a boy classmate, now can it~?"
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Mion: "Ah.... Um...."
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Mion: "...Yeah! I was super thirty, so I thought that maybe I could drink two cups...!"
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Shio: "Hahaha, that's just like Onee~ Well, do it, do it, do it, do it!"
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Mion: "Unnn, Ugaaah *cough* *cough* *cough*"
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Shion: "Good job Onee! That was a splendid style of drinking!"
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Mion: "I hate you Shion! Since that other day, I hate you even more now! ><"
Hau~ Miichan kaaii~ (>ヮ<)
Who's the Little Devil? Are we clear on that now, everyone? :heh:
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Rika: "Mi~"
You know, I noticed a severe lack of Rika's "Mi~" and "Nipa~☆" in the anime. Especially "nipa~☆". Rika's nipa~☆ smile is not the same without her saying the sound effect! ><
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From the lines about the missing bicycles and the shaking ladder, yeah, we're moving into that event...
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I find it a shame they didn't spend longer in the spooky warehouse (what's the name in english for that thing ?)
祭具殿 Saiguden, Ritual Equipments Chamber.
Do you mean the word 祭具澱? I'd go with a festivity storehouse.
Episode highlights (well, not much for this episode, personally). Again, don't look unless you have already seen the episode or don't mind being spoiled.
Shion is a delightful little devil and Mion knows it. :p
USCPharmacist
2006-05-10, 13:41
I wonder what Keiichi did defferently this time around? I think the trigger could be giving the doll to Rena instead of Mion. Maybe if he gave her the doll she would show him to her store or something, instead of meeting Shion alone. The whole thing changed I think with Shion. In the first arch Keiichi never "met" her, so he become paranoid because he was alone. Now his focus is on the curse instead of people trying to get him he seems a lot more sane. Also since he had an accomplice he could blame everything on her instead. I don't know anything that keep him from seeing shit would avoid the lolis meeting Mr. Bat. Although he may actually be worse fate now that the whole town is gonna clean his intestine....
I think it is a very informative ep as well, the whole thing with Shion and Mion, who is who is slightly clearer this time around. What caught my attention is that I suddenly really wants to know what Rika-chan did wrong in her dance and perhaps that mistake could somehow affect the curse... The last phone call is pretty interesting as well... I can almost bet that Mion was on the other side of the phone... *Shifty eyes*
Srin Tuar
2006-05-10, 18:51
Wow,
the end of this episode proves to me again why keiichi is a worthless coward, and I simply could never sympathize with him.
I should know by now that psychological thrillers rely upon weak personalities to make the story interesting...
Crimen Scythe
2006-05-10, 19:33
Wow,
the end of this episode proves to me again why keiichi is a worthless coward, and I simply could never sympathize with him.
I should know by now that psychological thrillers rely upon weak personalities to make the story interesting...
*points to Ikari Shinji* weak-minded main chars tend to be the best choice for these psychological thrillers.. or would u prefer a Kurosaki Ichigo type..? ~.~
Thewanderer
2006-05-10, 19:47
*points to Ikari Shinji* weak-minded main chars tend to be the best choice for these psychological thrillers.. or would u prefer a Kurosaki Ichigo type..? ~.~
That'd actually be more intertaining for me. Ichigo's type don't take any crap.
Wow,
the end of this episode proves to me again why keiichi is a worthless coward, and I simply could never sympathize with him.
I should know by now that psychological thrillers rely upon weak personalities to make the story interesting...
Don't be so quick to pass judgement on the whole series just because you saw an undesirable reaction from Keiichi. It's common for people to become agitated or angered easily when they're in a state of anxiety or panic. People always say "I would've been calm instead of freaking out like that" when they're on the sidelines, but the truth is, most people placed under a sudden stressful situation will fail in maintaining a calm conscious mind. The important thing is how fast they can regain their calmness and begin to think and act logically again.
In that respect, I agree that they did leave off at a spot that made Keiichi look pretty bad though.
Well, I can't say anymore, but trust me, there's a reason why Keiichi was able to beat all the girls to rank in at no.1 among the fans in the popularity vote.
Black_Sharingan
2006-05-10, 22:45
It never ceases to amaze me everytime someone bashes an anime character for being weak and then claims that he/she can do better in the same circumstances. The fact is, you don't know how you will react in such scenario.
But in my experience, those who do not boast about it is usually the one who has the strongest nerve. Those who quack the most usually is the reverse. Just like Rika said, "the real personality of a person is usually the reverse of what's on the outside".
Speaking of personality, it's nice to see the real face of Shion. I do wonder if she actually likes Keiichi or if she just want to make her sister jealous by showing that she can get the guy that her sister can't get.
Eleutheria
2006-05-11, 05:40
Well, I can't say anymore, but trust me, there's a reason why Keiichi was able to beat all the girls to rank in at no.1 among the fans in the popularity vote.
...a massive female majority in the respondents of the poll? I kid, I kid.
Definitely enjoyed the episode even though I didn't quite catch all the dialogue. It kept me guessing: I agree with the above poster that the other person at the end of the phone was most probably Mion with all those questions, even though she was dressed as Shion. Which in turn begs the question of why she was dressed as Shion in the first place...
I've a feeling that Tomitake dies no matter what. At least this chapter hints that in Onikakushi-hen, he did break a few taboos.
Srin Tuar
2006-05-11, 09:08
It never ceases to amaze me everytime someone bashes an anime character for being weak and then claims that he/she can do better in the same circumstances. The fact is, you don't know how you will react in such scenario.
Shrieking in a whiny broken voice while appealing to an unnamed darkness that his trespass was shion's fault and that he should be spared bespeaks a basal cowardice matched with a flippant disregard for the well being of his friend.
Lol, I think even the average person could do better. I mean, were not talking about an axe murderer popping out of his closet- it was a phone call from a hot girl.
Eleutheria
2006-05-11, 10:15
Lol, I think even the average person could do better. I mean, were not talking about an axe murderer popping out of his closet- it was a phone call from a hot girl.
To be fair, it's a hot girl that you met not long ago. In addition, this hot girl was with you and two other people in a torture museum the night before, one that you'd broken into. Those two other people are dead, one incinerated and the other's throat cut.
Also, why would hot/ugly girl matter? I'd think that my guard would be lower if a hot girl called, and thus my mental defenses would be that much weaker when she started talking about Oyashiro's tatari and how those two other people met untimely deaths, etc.
In any case, Takano made several good explanations here that would help people find out more about Hinamizawa's dark past. Complement those with the TIPS for Ep. 6, I think people will begin to diverge their hypothesis a bit by putting some of Hinamizawa's history into play.
Looks like next episode will be the big chiller for Watanagashi. I hope they do it right!
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-14, 10:33
Don't be so quick to pass judgement on the whole series just because you saw an undesirable reaction from Keiichi. It's common for people to become agitated or angered easily when they're in a state of anxiety or panic. People always say "I would've been calm instead of freaking out like that" when they're on the sidelines, but the truth is, most people placed under a sudden stressful situation will fail in maintaining a calm conscious mind. The important thing is how fast they can regain their calmness and begin to think and act logically again.
In that respect, I agree that they did leave off at a spot that made Keiichi look pretty bad though.
Well, I can't say anymore, but trust me, there's a reason why Keiichi was able to beat all the girls to rank in at no.1 among the fans in the popularity vote.
Keiichi so far has been pretty poor at lying to people, and everybody seems to pick up on it easily. He might be a person who exemplifies the phrase, "Honest people make poor liars". So at least his honesty is redeeming feature.
*points to Ikari Shinji* weak-minded main chars tend to be the best choice for these psychological thrillers.. or would u prefer a Kurosaki Ichigo type..? ~.~
Well, I can't say anymore, but trust me, there's a reason why Keiichi was able to beat all the girls to rank in at no.1 among the fans in the popularity vote.
Could it be that the Kool Marble and alternate identity, K, gets him the No.1 spot in popularity polls? See below:
You have no idea. Keiichi's not only the "Magician of Words", his alternate identity, K, raises his moe knowledge skills to a godly level, allowing the use of his KOOL marble reality: bombarding his opponent with speeches about the Art of Moe at machine-gun speed until the said opponent breaks down into a sobbing mess from K's MANLINESS. K's not alone in his endeavors either, his "soul brothers", Cloud, Iri, and Tommy are all true MEN constantly striving for their ideals in the world of moe! (Who are they? Just like how "K" came from Keiichi, you should realize who these men are if you looked in Higurashi's character list).
No, I'm not making this up. :heh: Here's an example of Keiichi's reality marble:
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(I blew my coffee out around the part where the Venus statue and Mona Lisa were apparently moe products left behind by our ancestors)
(Notice near the end, even nouns like XBOX360 and PS3 came up. Yes, K's reality marble even breaks the barrier of time! :heh: )
Usual reaction from the girls,
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Rena: "Keiichi-kun and _____-kun looks like they're having a lot of fun, but Rena can't follow what they're talking about at all--..."
Mion: "You don't have to follow them, just don't!"
If you're lucky, you'll get your first glimpse of "K" in Tatarigoroshi. ^^;
Just for fun-
Which is the cooler ability to have, the Kool Marble/K Identity thing or a Shingami Bankai?
Crimen Scythe
2006-05-14, 10:42
wow..i spent more than an hour taking notes on this ep...pausing and playing...but anyway i give this ep a 10/10 because it just revealed alot of things to me that clarified the previous events of Onikakushi-hen and some other things...i found some of the things Takano said to be very intriguing but there are still more questions that havent been clarified...overall i think it was worth taking notes ^^.... As for Keiichi's behavior...
i dun think it was bad that he flipped out or that he was a coward in any way....honestly if one was put into the same situation, that person would most definitely freak out...i admit that i would...cuz i would be an unknowing person brought into sumthin that i didnt ask for and now running the risk of becoming "demoned away" which might involve the removal of my precious intestines... so he did wut any other average person would do...unless u have nerves of steel...
As for the only thing that i mightve found suspicious in this ep...which might be considered very minor...was how Mion knew about everything...such as when she was questioning Keiichi if he saw Tomitake, Takano, or Shion the previous night...but then when she was leaving... she said she was going to go tell everyone that Keiichi wasnt involved in any bad deeds...which kind of makes me think "how much does she know?!"...again it might be minor..but i just found it suspicious...more suspicious than Oishi-san because he is a cop afterall...
It never ceases to amaze me everytime someone bashes an anime character for being weak and then claims that he/she can do better in the same circumstances. The fact is, you don't know how you will react in such scenario.
I totally agree with you.
If I had visited some forbidden temple because someone pratically dragged me there and then two people died probably because of the curse of this temple, well I would have been extremely pissed off at that person too. It might not be the most rational reaction but it's quite a normal one.
For some reason when Takano was telling her rather ghastly lecture about the nice inhabitants of the village and their rituals I was all like "This is Sachiko from Marimite" (because of the seiyuu) and it didn't feel so creepy because of her voice which to me seemed full of irony, quite different from what you'd expect in that situation. So my crazy theory is that she is not dead at all - we saw no body, right? Maybe she actually conducts these rituals and is involved in the killings. Although, wouldn't it be considered blasphemous to get into the temple or whatever it was together with the photographer and Keiichi who appear to be in dark about the whole ritual murders plot?
So Mion's family are yakuza? Interesting.
My head started to hurt when I tried to figure out whether Mion pretended to be Shion in a given situation or vice versa. I think we know too little about their differences to make any reasonable speculations.
Enough with the crazy speculation, the important thing is this anime rocks.
Freakman
2006-05-14, 11:49
Look at the TIPS for episode 6, they have lots of background info on the village.
I totally agree with you.
If I had visited some forbidden temple because someone pratically dragged me there and then two people died probably because of the curse of this temple, well I would have been extremely pissed off at that person too. It might not be the most rational reaction but it's quite a normal one.
For some reason when Takano was telling her rather ghastly lecture about the nice inhabitants of the village and their rituals I was all like "This is Sachiko from Marimite" (because of the seiyuu) and it didn't feel so creepy because of her voice which to me seemed full of irony, quite different from what you'd expect in that situation. So my crazy theory is that she is not dead at all - we saw no body, right? Maybe she actually conducts these rituals and is involved in the killings. Although, wouldn't it be considered blasphemous to get into the temple or whatever it was together with the photographer and Keiichi who appear to be in dark about the whole ritual murders plot?
So Mion's family are yakuza? Interesting.
My head started to hurt when I tried to figure out whether Mion pretended to be Shion in a given situation or vice versa. I think we know too little about their differences to make any reasonable speculations.
This is the kind of thing in which you would be pissed off, but you wouldn't exactly scream at the person on the other end of the line at about, would you? Screaming at someone isn't very rational, but then again he would be pretty freaked out enabling him to pretty unrational things (Like clubbing his two best friends with a club~)
All I know is, some of the reactions Keichi makes seem totally out of the ordinary to me, and it's as if he suddenly goes to the extremes too easily.
Crimen Scythe
2006-05-14, 12:50
This is the kind of thing in which you would be pissed off, but you wouldn't exactly scream at the person on the other end of the line at about, would you? Screaming at someone isn't very rational, but then again he would be pretty freaked out enabling him to pretty unrational things (Like clubbing his two best friends with a club~)
All I know is, some of the reactions Keichi makes seem totally out of the ordinary to me, and it's as if he suddenly goes to the extremes too easily.
well...IMO....i dun think his actions are very extreme considering his situation and how unknowing he is of things going on around him...personally if i was put into his situation...i wouldve screamed at Shion on the phone...and i wouldve clubbed my friends to death in Onikakushi-hen...fear can drive a person to many extents...survival of the fittest for example...i just try to relate myself to the chars' situation...i dun think there is a need for rationality when u're scared shitless...
It all depends on how easily one can snap. I don't know if I would yell at that person but I wouldn't rule out this possibilty. If people are being murdered the last thing one would want to be is a suspect or a potential next victim. If Shion had not taken Keiichi to that building he would not be either of these things so I think it's quite normal to blame her. And he seems to get all emotional easily, so he couldn't control himself and started yelling. But I don't think it's such an extreme case, I have seen people yelling at their friends or family members for unbelievably stupid reasons, it's a silly thing to do but it happens all the time.
I'm convinced that was Shion at the end, and the whole conversation was a ruse to get Keiichi to confess. We already know Shion's capable of deceiving, and it wouldn't make sense for Mion to change her hair like that when Keiichi couldn't even see her.
Then that must mean that was Mion dressed as Shion when they broke into the storehouse. Which means Shion was dressed as Mion when Rika and the others showed up, and Shion was actually asking if Keiichi met with Mion.
Crazy theory: Mion ratted out on Takano and Tomitake, but not Keiichi because she likes him. Shion suspects something, and exploits the fact Mion pretended to be Shion to get Keiichi to blurt out a confession. By the end of this episode, she has that confession.
Now Oyashiro-sama's coming to get Keiichi :(
Interesting episode, lots of information. So now we know that Mion is the heir to the Sonzaki's and the dark past about the festival. I assume that Tomitake and Takano broke in to the sacred storehouse in Onikakushi-hen also. I wonder if there was a reason behind Shion dragging K1 into the storehouse. She wanted Oyashiro-sama to be angry at him? Also K1 does almost not react when he hears the stories about the murders and about the dark past, unlike in Onikakushi-hen where he freaks out. Right now I suspect that Shion somehow is behind the murders of Tomitake and Takano.
I'm convinced that was Shion at the end, and the whole conversation was a ruse to get Keiichi to confess. We already know Shion's capable of deceiving, and it wouldn't make sense for Mion to change her hair like that when Keiichi couldn't even see her.
Then that must mean that was Mion dressed as Shion when they broke into the storehouse. Which means Shion was dressed as Mion when Rika and the others showed up, and Shion was actually asking if Keiichi met with Mion.
Crazy theory: Mion ratted out on Takano and Tomitake, but not Keiichi because she likes him. Shion suspects something, and exploits the fact Mion pretended to be Shion to get Keiichi to blurt out a confession. By the end of this episode, she has that confession.
Now Oyashiro-sama's coming to get Keiichi :(
Oh my! That would actually make sense too! Very nice theory! *head's spinning*
DingoEnderZOE2
2006-05-14, 19:31
But then again why would Mion have to pretend to be Shion just so Keichi would go with her to the storage area and what reason would Shion have to pretend to be Mion to go to the festival with Rena and the others?
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-14, 20:03
Some thoughts after seeing episode 6.
This episode was dialogue heavy and not as suspenseful, funny, and gut-wrenching (no pun intended) as the others, but I guess it was necessary. It provided important clues as to what’s going on.
Just when you thought it could get any intriguing, in episode 6- We find out Mion is a yakuza mafia princess, the local residents satisfy their cannibalistic impulse by eating human tripe and later disguised it as a festival ritual involving cotton pulling, and nurse Takano investigating the festival.
What else can they possibly add to top it? It’s wonderfully whacked out and disturbingly good already.
Now we know the Watanagashi custom of pulling the cotton out of the futon and floating down the river is symbolism for cannibalistic ritual of pulling out the intestine. If you recall in episode 2 Rena told Keiichi that, “The cotton sucks up the bad things from your body. Then, you float the cotton down the down the river.” So in some way the intestinal disembowelment is a perverse purification ritual. I’ll never look at a cotton futon in same way anymore.
My episode 6 Speculation is there's a power struggle within the local Yakuza between Shion and Mion. Keiichi seems to be a pawn caught in the middle of the sisters’ battle.
Finally, for gosh sakes, Oishi and Keiichi don’t know how to hold a private conversation away from witnesses. First they were talking in a in the car near the school, next Angel Mort Restaurant, and in this episode they were at a library with people nearby. It’s no wonder that people find out. Oishi speaking with Keiichi in the library when Shion is there seems like a foolish thing to do.
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-14, 20:17
But then again why would Mion have to pretend to be Shion just so Keichi would go with her to the storage area and what reason would Shion have to pretend to be Mion to go to the festival with Rena and the others?
I agree.
It's risky for both sisters to pretend to be one another when they are in the same vincinity. They could easily be discovered by one another.
Amaranthine
2006-05-14, 20:39
Wow... I found that episode very unsettling, and even more so after reading choia's post, which nicely fleshed out the general direction my own thoughts were turning. Something about the uncertainty of which twin it is at any given time is just extremely creepy... and of course, that's enhanced so much by everything else in this series.
I guessed at what was revealed in the storage area in the last arc, but it was just that... an idle guess, random speculation. I don't think I really thought it would be true. o_o
But it instantly makes me wonder if that whole thing is being used as cover in some way, maybe by one of the groups speculated at in other threads, maybe by a different one entirely. There's so much uncertainty surrounding everything, I definitely wouldn't be able to put forward anything like even a semi-complete conclusion yet. And I'm happy to sit back and let everything unfold right now... but I know this series is going to be in the corner of my mind, and it's going to keep nagging at me when I'm not doing anything else. I think before too long I'm going to have to sit down and think about this as hard as I can for a while.
Semi off topic: I was going to make a sig with the twins in it, but I think I'm too creeped out by them to do it after watching this episode. :heh:
Blue_Mercy
2006-05-14, 22:30
Well it definitely sucks to be Tomitake or Takano in any one of these it seems. I wish Oyashiro would go after Oishi for making all of his idiotic comments getting Keiichi targeted. Yeah Keiichi's reactions are not out of the ordinary in either Onikakushi or Watanagashi. He just needs to stop lying, he is terrible at it.
Speculation: I think that it was Shion testing Keiichi at school seeing if he was keeping the secret, since there is no reason for her to ask it twice. I do think it was Shion that led him into the storage house since why would Mion risk getting cursed if she is gonna inherit the Yakuza. Mion was able to figure out that Keiichi didn't watch the performance because he said that Rika didn't screw up, so she knew he was probably out with Shion. Also Mion didn't ask about Takano or Tomitake the 1st time she asked. Which means that Shion must have told Oishi that Keiichi was there with her and the 2 reporters, and really didn't plan to talk to him at the library but instead have Keiichi talk to the police. Unfortunately this theory is forcing me to figure out a motive for Shion and I still havent found one. She took un-needed risks then is going through a lot of effort to cover it up.
I too subscribe to the theory that Mion and Shion were playing switcheroo during the festival. The two parts that really drove it in for me were one when "Mion" first asks if Keiichi had been with Shion. She looked and sounded very vengeful, which doesn't jive with what we already know of Mion's personality. She got a little pissed at Shion when the latter was with Keiichi but nothing to the point of really deep-seated hatred. Perhaps there's some bits of personality that Mion hasn't shown yet, but I don't think it would go so far as diverging from her base personality, which is being impulsive, but not crafty and manipulative.
The second is when Mion asks Keiichi if he's been with Shion last night. But Shion asked Keiichi that and when he asks Mion 'didn't you already ask me that?' Mion responds with such a canned and obviously fake answer that it pretty much convinced me that the Mion during the festival after Keiichi came out from the storehouse was actually Shion. Though you have to praise Mion for replying so quickly, even if it did suck. ^^
And then afterwards, Shion uses that fact to work a confession out of Keiichi.
As to why Mion disguised as Shion to bring Keiichi to the storehouse, I think she wanted him to know more about the truth of Hinamizawa (especially after Keiichi started showing interest before the festival), but did her switcheroo because,
1. As a safety measure. If people find out about the break-in, they'll point fingers at Shion first instead of herself.
2. Because she may feel (especially after episode 5) that Keiichi might be more cooperative with a feminine girl instead of a brash semi-tomboy like Mion.
Of course, all that backfires when the real Shion works that confession out of Keiichi. I think that last look Keiichi had on his face after Shion hung up the phone was him coming to the realization that he had just been had.
I started this series late, but now I'm totally hooked!:D
Wow! Okay, Chapter 2 got off to a slow start - yes, apart from the opening ^_^;; - but this episode picks up the pace and leaves us far more tense than the second episode of chapter 1.
I nearly fell of my chair when Takano revealed her job (all sort of theories could derive from that), but that was merely the prelude to the big shockers!
So, my take...
Nice sleeply little town they got there - scary backwoods town in America just don't have that thousands of year old cannibalism tradition thing going for them! Oh well, it adds a lot of background - totally see the cotton festival as a symbol of the disembowling rite - but so far only opens up options, no answers. On the other hand...
Shion is sneaky, coniving, manipulative, overbearing and everything that Mion appears to be in the surface. Or at least the image I had of her from chapter 1. Now after chapter2 ep1 and ep2 I'm convinced Mion actually is quite soft hearted and only puts up a front, which Keiichi tragically misinterpreted in chapter1. I felt really sorry for her chugging down that tea, and being so easilly manipulated into it by Shion!
I don't understand why everybody assumes the girls are behind it all. So far, Mion looks like the big victim, and after the opening foreshadowing I expect she may end up like Keiichi. So I just can't believe she's somehow plotting to get Shion and Keiichi killed.
I also can't believe they were swapping places at the festival, seems too convinient after the switcheroos of the last episode *and* too hard to pull off. Though I'll admit it appeals due to the nature of the show, I think the real twin factor - I'm the real Kirk, no I'm the real Kirk! - will play out more in episodes 2.3 and 2.4.
Boy! A whole lot of info in that episode, and not just talking and explanations. What happened (and didn't) seems to me as much of a clue as to the rest of the show as any of the details revealed.
In the end it bugged me how everybody just shows up and are introduced so quickly, with just enough "oh, pleased to meet you, I'm so and so whom you already know from last chapter," but I guess I can forgive them given how completely hooked I am.
I'm gonna go post some specific ideas in the general theory thread!
Does anyone else feel really creeped out everytime Takano-san opens her mouth and speaks?:uhoh: :heh:
Does anyone else feel really creeped out everytime Takano-san opens her mouth and speaks?:uhoh: :heh:
It's thoose sad eyes! But why was she soooo happy about everything she was finding?
It's thoose sad eyes! But why was she soooo happy about everything she was finding?
She was so sad that she was happy. She was so happy to be sad. Meh, whatever. :heh:
On what day does Higurashi air?
Does anyone else feel really creeped out everytime Takano-san opens her mouth and speaks?:uhoh: :heh:
It scares the crap out of me too.
She didn't come across as scary or creepy to me at all back in the last chapter.
It's thoose sad eyes! But why was she soooo happy about everything she was finding?
Because her favorite hobby is to research on history and the occult. Obviously, being able to take a sneak peek into one of the village's most strictly kept secrets would be very exciting for her.
On what day does Higurashi air?
Read the wikipedia article as written on the first post of this thread. Basically, the very first TV station that airs Higurashi in the week is Kansai TV on Tuesdays at 25:55.
Don't be so quick to pass judgement on the whole series just because you saw an undesirable reaction from Keiichi. It's common for people to become agitated or angered easily when they're in a state of anxiety or panic. People always say "I would've been calm instead of freaking out like that" when they're on the sidelines, but the truth is, most people placed under a sudden stressful situation will fail in maintaining a calm conscious mind. The important thing is how fast they can regain their calmness and begin to think and act logically again.
I believe if I read this part of the story I would have been absolutely excited by the prospect of guessing what's about to come and would have been able to sympathize with Keiichi because I wouldn't be hearing him yell or see him deranged, wide eyed. The seiyuu or the voice for Keiichi just makes it too damn difficult to be sympathetic. This kind of voice acting that is so much common in a mecha-show, keeps me away from most of the mecha genre. The voice acting seems over the top and not always seems appropriate. What makes Keiichi's reaction in his panicky state so annoying is that he is so curious and has fits because he is excluded from the loop. So why are you panicking now you pansy ass bastard. Sorry. There are so many ways to show ones fear when one has just considered self to be one of the sacrifice other than telling the girl it's okay for you to be the sacrifice by having the prospect of facing a gruesome death as long as I am not one of these sacrifice... sort of.
Yeap, I don't see at this very moment how Keiichi has gotten to be one of the popular character. :)
Xellos-_^
2006-05-15, 10:53
Finally, for gosh sakes, Oishi and Keiichi don’t know how to hold a private conversation away from witnesses. First they were talking in a in the car near the school, next Angel Mort Restaurant, and in this episode they were at a library with people nearby. It’s no wonder that people find out. Oishi speaking with Keiichi in the library when Shion is there seems like a foolish thing to do.
I think Oishi did it delibrately. He throw that last line out just before he letting everyone know that K was with at the storehouse with the others. He is basically using K as bait.
Nice sleeply little town they got there - scary backwoods town in America just don't have that thousands of year old cannibalism tradition thing going for them! Oh well, it adds a lot of background - totally see the cotton festival as a symbol of the disembowling rite - but so far only opens up options, no answers. On the other hand...
Trying watching some X-Files.
Because her favorite hobby is to research on history and the occult. Obviously, being able to take a sneak peek into one of the village's most strictly kept secrets would be very exciting for her.
You're saying she's just a rabid fangirl? (-.-) Maybe true... but I think it's also meant to creep us out and make her suspecious.
But...
I don't think it makes sense to suspect her of anything (despite her working at the clinic). If it's supernatural, then she's clearly angered the viiage god. If it's just a cannibal cult, then in Chapter 1 she shouldn't have dissapeared (I'll even allow the idea that its not yet confirmed she's dead in Chapter2). If it's some other kind of serial killer, conspiracy thing... well I dunno.
But man is she cold! Grabbing thoose kids and getting them involved in all that...
...though, why was Shion so intereted in following them and going to the storehouse in the firstplace?
I'm going to jump of a limb here and say that Oishi-san the cop is somehow involved. I'll explain why. So far, he is the only person that hasn't had a signficant character change. He remains the some cop that he was in the first arc. Some one suggested the fact the he never tries to hide his conversations with Keichi either. I think he is using Keichi in some way or another.
Next thing I notice is that Rika and Mion seem to care greatly about Keichi (yes, even though there is alot of speculation between Shion and Mion, the only anger I have seen from Mion is jealousy, I don't think she hates her sister) so I don't see her deliberatly trying to lure Keichi into a death trap. Shion on the other hand, doesn't know Keichi very well at all, and seem to play around him just for kicks, or to make her sister jealous. Nothing wrong with that, I do that to my twin brother :p. But she would be much more likely to do something right now than would Mion (although honestly, I think both are innocent, Shion seemed somewhat afraid about being 'demoned away' on that phone call).
So in regards to the opening scene, and this speculation since I don't know what will happen in the next episode, but if Keichi and Shion were to be 'demoned away', or perhaps killed, and then if Rika-chan killed herself in front Mion, then I think that would have a psycological affect on Mion (who has been demonstarted as having a weaker personality that she puts on, losing say 3-4 people she loves or cares about would be difficult to anyone) and send her into insanity (thus the scary laugh at the beginning). I don't know, but there could be so much deception in that first scene that it's hard not to speculate what could've really happened. All though there is a large emphasis on Mion and Shion and there behavior through out the episodes, I just can't imagine either being guilty just yet.
I know it must be a lil' freaky hearing you could be taken away by a curse.. but Keiichi really didn't have to shout at Shion like that. ^^;
You think you understand parts of whats going on after the first chapter, but then this chapter just turns everything around.
That was a totally gross episode! Boy am I glad that I didn't eat first!
I also am a fan of the twin theory.
If Mion is the heir, then she has to know what is going on. So since Takano made contact with Shion, it would make sense for them to switch so that Mion would know what Takano is up to. So, Mion disguised as Shion spies on Takano and Tomitake. Shion has a temper and goes into yakuza mode when it flairs, sort of what "Mion" did at the temple when asking if Keiichi was with "Shion". Whereas, "Shion" at the temple remained calm when the break-in was occuring, but was clearly upset and still manages to pull a little trick on Keiichi at the end. For this to happen, both of the twins would be in it together. Perhaps, Shion didn't think her sister was stupid enough to actually enter the warehouse.
Shion emphasized that the community sticks together. So then Shion disguised as Mion was grilling Keiichi at school to make sure that he wasn't involved. She then told the townsfolk to get them off his back.
Shion was at the library with Keiichi and on the phone at the end of the episode where he finally confessed. Her expression did not bode well for Keiichi.
If Oyashiro is a real god, then the innocent twin has nothing to fear. :D
Keiichi is scr***d again!
Azn_GooWakJai
2006-05-15, 14:59
That was a totally gross episode! Boy am I glad that I didn't eat first!
I also am a fan of the twin theory.
If Mion is the heir, then she has to know what is going on. So since Takano made contact with Shion, it would make sense for them to switch so that Mion would know what Takano is up to. So, Mion disguised as Shion spies on Takano and Tomitake. Shion has a temper and goes into yakuza mode when it flairs, sort of what "Mion" did at the temple when asking if Keiichi was with "Shion". Whereas, "Shion" at the temple remained calm when the break-in was occuring, but was clearly upset and still manages to pull a little trick on Keiichi at the end. For this to happen, both of the twins would be in it together. Perhaps, Shion didn't think her sister was stupid enough to actually enter the warehouse.
Shion emphasized that the community sticks together. So then Shion disguised as Mion was grilling Keiichi at school to make sure that he wasn't involved. She then told the townsfolk to get them off his back.
Shion was at the library with Keiichi and on the phone at the end of the episode where he finally confessed. Her expression did not bode well for Keiichi.
If Oyashiro is a real god, then the innocent twin has nothing to fear. :D
Keiichi is scr***d again!
O.O how was this ep considered gross compare to ep 3 & 4? But I really thought at the end it was Mion tryin to call K1 as Shion cuz maybe she suspected K1 didn't tell her the truth thats y there's that hang up @ the end? Ah I dont know I needa watch more. This whole twist plot is hurtin my brain and all I can think of while studyin finals is who the damn murderer is >.<" Darn twins! Aite bak to Bleach and Air Gear.
Sinestra
2006-05-15, 17:26
I dont think have ever watched a series that fried my brain more than this one and i mean in the creepy sort sleep with the lights on oh god i dont wanna die way. I kinda confused about somethings going on right now because of the whole twin thing. They good a job with switching the twins around. So you keep asking your self is tha Mion or Shion and we already know that Shion is very good deciving peopple. K1 now knows whats in the temple store house (as if he really wanted to know in the first place) But did it really have to be cannibalism the fact the term cooking tools was used just makes it even F*&% up.
im trying to break down who is dead and who might be killed next its hard to lose track because show jumps around a lot. as far i can tell K1,Rika,Mion,Rena,Tomitake,Takano are all dead. let me know if im wrong.
So who is left or has the potential to be killed or demoned away next
I dont think have ever watched a series that fried my brain more than this one and i mean in the creepy sort sleep with the lights on oh god i dont wanna die way. I kinda confused about somethings going on right now because of the whole twin thing. They good a job with switching the twins around. So you keep asking your self is tha Mion or Shion and we already know that Shion is very good deciving peopple. K1 now knows whats in the temple store house (as if he really wanted to know in the first place) But did it really have to be cannibalism the fact the term cooking tools was used just makes it even F*&% up.
im trying to break down who is dead and who might be killed next its hard to lose track because show jumps around a lot. as far i can tell K1,Rika,Mion,Rena,Tomitake,Takano are all dead. let me know if im wrong.
So who is left or has the potential to be killed or demoned away next
You forgot about the Cosmic Reset. ;)
So that means...
we are in the alternate reality where K1 prob. won't go Lil' Slugger on Rena and Mion. Setup is wrong for that outcome so far. K1 (scr***d, definitely needs to leave the area), Rena, and Mion are still alive. Tanako and Tomitake bit the dust again. Rika will soon bite the dust (op. of ep. 5) and Shion is scr***d. :D
Tanako is really creepy how she was so excited about the curse and the warehouse.
Do you think that they ran out of barbeque sauce for Tanako? :D
Hmmmm.... taste like chicken!
Crimen Scythe
2006-05-15, 18:37
wait so can Takano be considered to be still alive or "demoned away" because according to the curse...this year is strange since 2 ppl died, 2 shall be sacrificed...so if Takano and Tomitake are dead...and Rika comits suicide...isnt that already 3 deaths? 1 sacrifice left? or is it that Takano was "demoned away"...or did she even die? maybe it's still the same process of the curse every yr...1 death and 1 missing body...? or mb not...now im getting confused over nothing...
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-15, 19:05
Yeap, I don't see at this very moment how Keiichi has gotten to be one of the popular character. :)
Maybe because Keiiichi can do this in the game:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=554224&postcount=34 :D
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-15, 19:40
I think Oishi did it delibrately. He throw that last line out just before he letting everyone know that K was with at the storehouse with the others. He is basically using K as bait.
It must be Oishi's favorite tactic.
It was odd that-
1)Oishi came to the table with Keiichi and Shon (I assume) in the library, and wasn't worried about a Sonozaki being there.
2)Then once Shion left, he proceeded to tell Keiichi about the Sonozaki Yakuza situation. Shion could have turned back to eavasdrop on the conversation. Also there were other people within speaking distance of the two, that's pretty dumb.
I believe that Oishi's line of knowing about Keiichi and the others at the ritual storehouse, was a ploy to put Keiichi on notice that he better cooperate with him. So yeah, you might as call him K-Bait.
Azn_GooWakJai
2006-05-15, 22:14
ok so now that we have this theory where 2 ppl is killed this yr leavin 2 sacrafices to be made. So if the victim is K1 and Shion and shion is tryin to prevent that from happening, don't u think she'll find a replacement in place of her to be demoned away? maybe sumone like Rika to tie it to the beginning of ep 5? *hint hint*
awyongcarl
2006-05-15, 23:57
erh...well K1 is truly an @$$hole after i watch eps 6 -_-
not much comment cuz i don have the brain to solve mystery like y'all
but i'll keep surfing around here to make myself more into the story..
I know it must be a lil' freaky hearing you could be taken away by a curse.. but Keiichi really didn't have to shout at Shion like that. ^^;
You think you understand parts of whats going on after the first chapter, but then this chapter just turns everything around.
But remember, just because it comes back to bitch slaps you for being so wrong, don't pass that judgment yet. What you may hold as a theory might actually mean something as we dive deeper...
But remember, just because it comes back to bitch slaps you for being so wrong, don't pass that judgment yet. What you may hold as a theory might actually mean something as we dive deeper...
Yeah, i know what you mean - but still i'm keeping everything thats been said/done in my head.
Yes, i know that could have been Mion on the phone.
It was Mion on the phone, but the "two disapearing" bit was just something she made up to get Keiichi upset with Shion
aliensporebomb
2006-05-16, 15:39
The more I think about this series.....the more I think about it some more.
I really do believe we're seeing some of the consequences of sibling
rivalry here. But that's not it.
Mion might be the heir, but Shion acts like she owns the place.
Has the command of villagers in EP 5 to protect Keiichi.
Flaunts her confidence in being able to "have" Keiichi if she wants.
Deliberately making Mion jealous and enjoying it.
Does she like Keiichi for herself or is she just making her sister jealous?
Maybe a little of both.
I'm thinking "Shy Shion" in Angel Mort may have actually been Mion.
Imagine this exchange:
Shion:"Work my shift or I'll expose your dark secrets."
Mion: "I'll have to wear that sexy outfit though..."
Shion: "Hahahahahaha!"
Shion hasn't been shy since that point so I doubt it was her.
What if the "switcharoo" we've spoken about here is actually
something she is instigating?
What if the alleged things Mion has done ("Mion has many enemies")
were actually done by Shion?
It would be perfect: Devious sister uses her similarity to her sister
to perform all kinds of nasty deeds and blames it on the sister.
She remains "innocent" and respected in town.
She could probably even frame Mion for things she's done and I'd
say wouldn't be put past blackmail either. "If you don't go along
with my desires I'll do something to expose something you'd be
put away for...." We just don't know.
Mion might be the "heir" but who would know if Shion was
running the show? It fits her personality.
Mion - brings tea for Keiichi but when confronted by her sister in
what must have been a painful way plays the clown to save face
for herself.
Talk about brutal. Someone will pay for that I'm sure
I think we're going to see some seriously ugly sisterly battles
coming up if I'm right.
Takano: Is that woman creepy or what? She talked about
ritual disembowelings the way other women talk about shoes
or diamond rings.
I'm thinking that she may be involved. I don't think she's dead.
The photographer was expendable to a person like that.
She's a nurse. Why would a nurse be researching such things?
Something about her stinks to high heaven and it's not Chanel #5.
What is her real motivation?
Think about it: the last person she was with was dead photographer.
She's good with syringes, allegedly.
We know what happened to someone injected with a syringe in Episode 4 and
the same "clawing your throat out" behavior happened there too.
Oishi: Opportunist. Using K1 as bait to attract....whomever.
I think he may be involved in a particular way, possibly.
Career advancement. Solving the big case in town before retirement.
I see several factions happening:
Police <-> Yakuza <-> Supernatural Elements <-> Townspeople
One more bit - the end where K1 yelled at Shion on the phone like
a LEETLE GURL - Bad move for you, Mr. K.
She confronted him with this I am guessing to see his response:
If he'd been a little more canny about it he would have played
his cards better.
Might be deadsville soon. Or not. He should have hooked up
with Mion when he had the chance.
AND:
Another thing about this episode - when he was asked what
he thought of the perfomance of Rika, and he said "Oh, it was
perfect" and the reaction of everyone made it appear she made
what possibly might be an unforgiveable mistake which
might be why she self destructs in episode eight I'm guessing.
I'm guessing it will have to do with restoring honor to the local
demigod, etcetera. And even though it looks like Mion in
that scene, it might very well be Shion.
Can't wait for the next one - this anime is hot hot hot!
I've re-watched episode six, cause I was interested in the this twin switch theory, and I found out that the easiest way to tell which sister is which is through the voices. Mion is a little louder, Shion sounds more calm and minipulative... And this holds true through both episode 5-6. Not that it's that big a deal, but I don't think it's that easy to manipulate another persons voice, sure they are twins, but still I'm kinda speculative on that theory now.
The only one I wonder about is the phone conversation, though I don't see why the change in clothes would happen.
Sinestra
2006-05-16, 19:34
You forgot about the Cosmic Reset. ;)
So that means...
we are in the alternate reality where K1 prob. won't go Lil' Slugger on Rena and Mion. Setup is wrong for that outcome so far. K1 (scr***d, definitely needs to leave the area), Rena, and Mion are still alive. Tanako and Tomitake bit the dust again. Rika will soon bite the dust (op. of ep. 5) and Shion is scr***d. :D
Tanako is really creepy how she was so excited about the curse and the warehouse.
Do you think that they ran out of barbeque sauce for Tanako? :D
Hmmmm.... taste like chicken!
Damn cosmic reset i forgot about that i see what your talking about now with the set up but that just leaves more questions in my mind. but your right K1 better learn how to
1 hotwire a car
2steal a bike
3get a bus or train ticket
4get a very cross and pray a lot and i mean a lot
whatever he does he best jet the hell out of that town
Are you sure it was barbeque and not sweet and sour:D God were going to hell LOL
Circular Logic
2006-05-20, 10:31
OK. Here's my take on the events:
As far as I can see, until after the Shrine, Mion/Shion were as they claimed to be. So, I think that the storage house scene was as it seemed; though the fact that Shion seemed to be so eager to show Keiichi what was inside is a little fishy.
Next, how did Mion know that they were at the warehouse, and how come everyone found Keiichi by the stairs so easily? I think they were watching him. I note that you didn't see any of the characters standing in the crowd; they could have easily not been there.
Who invited Keiichi to the library? Was it Mion, or Shion? I can't tell; it could be either of them. Her strange behaviour seems to indicate it was Mion, but it could just as easily been Shion.
Now, what was Ooishi's intention? What did the policeman tell him? What was that last comment about? I think that there's a lot more to Ooishi than it first seeems. Indeed, his behaviour during Onikakushi-hen was also odd; there was something fishy about that phonebooth scene, and he didn't respond normally to being told that Keiichi was nearly run over. I have no idea what the policeman told him, however... I have a sneaking suspicion he might be in on the consipracy.
Finally, the phone scene. Who was it? It could be either of them, no matter about the clothes; it is, however, the same person that Keiichi met in the library, as she said she would call. If it's Mion, she's trying to get him to admit what happened. If it's Shion, who knows? Is she as innocent as she seems? Especially considering the Yakuza connection? That last look on the girl's face before she hangs up; psycho Mion? Or betrayed Shion? Or even psycho Shion?
If it's Shion, I strongly feel that Keiichi will be betrayed. If it's Mion...I don't know, somehow even though she asked all those questions, I feel that Mion still has some sort of saving grace about her. I somehow feel that Shion is the 'dodgy' one in Watanagashi-hen. Why do they live apart...there's definitely some rivalry or something there. Who has the 'true' feelings for Keiichi? Shion or Mion?
Addenda:
Indeed, what's odd about this chapter is that we haven't seen anyone go 'psycho' (with the eyes, etc.); it's been implied, but so far, no crziness.
Secondly, remember what Takano said about 'half-demon blood'? Rather suspicious. She seems a little to interested; I wouldn't be surprised if there was more behind her than at first glance
Next, what's Tomitake's motivation? Why is he helping Takano?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post TIPS related stuff...I'll put it in another spoiler tag to be sure. Please delete if necessary.
About Tomitake: From the TIPS, he's extremely paranoid about his identity. He goes by a false name, has no license, no identifiable information. What's up with this? And why does he come to Hinamizawa so often?
This is quite interesting:
I'm pretty sure that such a cheap lock can be picked open very easily by that man. (Takano)
About Oishi: He's remarkably flippant about the murders, isn't he? And he doesn't seem like the nicest person on earth...The tips have really roused my suspicion.
Oishi: "Sure, it'll be best if nothing happens but....be wary that it is going to happen again. It will be ideal to prevent the thing from happening, but there's probably no use. One person is going to die and another is gonna go missing. There's no use denying it. Unfufufufu!"
Mion/Shion?
Kei: "Anyway, you two look very similar. I probably won't be able to tell the difference between you and Mion if you tied your hair back like her"
Shion: "Well duh, we're identical twins! Perhaps you won't! Ahahaha. Ah, the memories. I remember we used to change our clothes and no one would suspect us! We've used to change places many times in the past to deceive people!"
Hmmm...
According to that document, the villagers of Onigafuchi were doing this ritual to instigate fear into them. Girls and children turned pale along with trepidation while hemophobics vomited at the sight and the stench of blood. Yet, they were all forced to watch the feast (mutilation process).
This puts a whole new perspective into the light. Before reading this hypothesis, I had the impression that the villagers of Onigafuchi were "high" as they did their acts. Before this, I believed that the villagers dissected the victims like fish to reinforce their belief that they were superior to "low-life humans." However, if the villagers did not attain some sort of "high" but acquired "fear" instead, then meaning of this ritual changes dramatically.
If so, then the possibility of the people in power using this as a propaganda tool to keep people under their control comes into play.
The most powerful people who controlled Onigafuchi were The Big Three Households known as the gosanke. Further research on the gosanke will be necessary to get down to the truth of the Onigafuchi village.
Guess who? Yep, the Sonozakis.
The villagers?
How superstitious are they? Do they really want to appease Oyashiro-sama's curse? Or is it something else?
:X Blerghh, I was actually gonna hurl when watching this episode. Makes me regret that I didn't watch it with the lights off; it would've delivered more impact and I could go to sleep paranoid. :D :D :D On a serious note, I bow down to this series for the rollercoaster ride.
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