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Village Idiot
2006-05-12, 18:05
Ep19 has aired:
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2833250.htm
Village Idiot
2006-05-12, 18:06
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7616/fatestaynight19large128pl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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iamandragon
2006-05-12, 18:07
He sure has a large hand...
Everytime I look at him I can't resist saying this...
CHEATER!
I knew we'd get a flash back from the previous war.. and looks like people shall finally see what Kieri is upto. & looks like we get the Caster end i was hoping for. <3
Still.. i'm gonna cry my bastard eyes out when i see her die. ;___;
Why oh why can't the Saber with the lion plushie be in this weeks episode! >.<
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7616/fatestaynight19large128pl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4137/fatestaynight19large139py.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4856/fatestaynight19large149kw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5066/fatestaynight19large174mg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Holy ... ; Gil came to own.., its just as simple as that.. :D
A question though..I didn't know the Gate of Babylon had such an extensive radius.., as we see the swords floating above Shirou and Saber in the picture.
Wasn't the "gate" = mirror image just suposed to appear behind him; as in as soon as the weapons came out they where imediatly launched as projectiles.
Looks good. Gil's time has come, all hail.
Max Demian
2006-05-12, 18:52
Can't tell from the pictures but what happened to Koizuki? Did they do the UBW ending or did he just disappear?
also HELL YEAH for Gate of Babylon! Gil-Sama is indeed the greatest serveant!
Omniscient
2006-05-12, 19:05
Episode 19 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/05/12/fatestay-night-19/)
Well the animation was all over the place for the first couple of minutes (good to bad to stock footage to bad to good, etc), but then it settled down. Gilgamesh's entrance was pretty cool, as were all of his swords.
doughboy
2006-05-12, 19:28
Screens = :eek: :love: :eek:
May Gil and Lancer provide much pwnage for the remainder of the show. :cool:
The king has finally appeared. Looks like the epic battle between the two kings is nearing soon. I'm feeling sympathatic for Caster though. Seems like she fell in love with her master this time. Sad for her....she can't get her love in her previous life....and seems like she can't get it this time either. Now that makes me wonder just what is Caster's wish anyway? I have a feeling it has something to do with love or something.
Gil......he's cool and all...but his face just pisses me off. Can't blame him for that. He's the king of heroes anyway. And that's what I called cheating! He has countless Noble Phantasm at his disposal while others can only depend on their skills and one and only Noble Phantasm.
monstert
2006-05-12, 20:00
Ahhhh, this can't be happening, say it ain't so. How are you supposed to beat that kind of barrage?
P.S. This is what Archer should've done with his blades, instead of just sticking them on the ground waiting for him to pull them out one by one.
dxgarten
2006-05-12, 20:08
More screencaps and Summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/fatestay_night_ep19.html)
Saved by the groom. I'm sure Saber doesn't like the idea at all
Gah.. i need episode 20 - Saber's Lion fetish owns everything else. <3
ordnance11
2006-05-12, 21:00
Having watched the raw...the following comments:
Heartbreaking..Caster and Kuzuki's last moments.
Did blondie just claim ownership of Saber?
iamandragon
2006-05-12, 21:04
Anyone here think Lancer will commit suicide towards the end?
Anyone here think Lancer will commit suicide towards the end?
No, not really.
DarthAndy
2006-05-12, 21:20
Lancer will get pissed off at his master for something.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-12, 21:48
Well, Caster role has ended, now Babylonian Hero takes his stand.
I do wonder how they gonna address Lancer's role since there is 3 of them left. The Knight Classes of 5th Grail War now facing each other, technically.
if I am not mistaken, Lancer stab Kirei then himself? Can anyone who played the game refresh my memory?
Not enough Gil-sama. I need more. More. More.
Gate of Babylon was kinda nice, too bad the actual projectiles ended up as nothing but yellow flashes. Also, the absence of the finger snap was unforgivable, it's was the defining sound signaling the attack! :heh:
Also, it's a little funny to see Caster and Kuzuki-sensei already moving into the "farewell-my-love" mode while killer yellow beams are still raining down around them. :heh:
Next episode is going to be the date, huh? Well, why not, Saber fans will probably love it.
Now that makes me wonder just what is Caster's wish anyway? I have a feeling it has something to do with love or something.
Being able stay with someone she loves? Something like that.
I do wonder how they gonna address Lancer's role since there is 3 of them left. The Knight Classes of 5th Grail War now facing each other, technically.
if I am not mistaken, Lancer stab Kirei then himself? Can anyone who played the game refresh my memory?
It depends on which route you're talking about
If you think about it, Lancer is actually the nicest guy in all of Fate/stay night, isn't he? ^^; Personally, I like him 10 times more than Archer myself.
Ahhhh, this can't be happening, say it ain't so. How are you supposed to beat that kind of barrage?
P.S. This is what Archer should've done with his blades, instead of just sticking them on the ground waiting for him to pull them out one by one.
If I'm not mistakened..I think the Blades Archer used on his UBW, or most of them are exactly the same ones he saw while fightning Gil as Shirou right ? ; hence.., they probably have the same noble phantasms.
I find however since Archer has the skill to wield any of those blades, that they can far do more damage like that rather then just beeing thrown.
Thus., even though Gil's barrage is Extreamly powerfull, wielding one of those swords at a time would probably cause alot more damage no ?
GUYS!!! withhold the game spoilers ..
PLEASE!!!
GUYS!!! withhold the game spoilers ..
PLEASE!!!
I don't think this was mencioned to mine.., but never the less I shall edit it a bit as not to be so direct :)
nope.. not just directly to you.. but I appreciate that ^^
and btw Alu :topicoff:
its mentioned .. not mencioned .. ;)
Shikimori Kazuki
2006-05-13, 00:24
ahhh man, one of these days i must keep miself from clicking on that spoiler button LOL. Checked out the pics, wow......TWO word i can say describing it....total ownage:heh:
edit: just 5 more episodes, hm i guess is enough to cover it, unless there is more than just this goldie and lancer.
Huh. Weird body proportions and animation threw me off from enjoying this ep too much. It's like they put all their money on everything up till Gil and then blasted through everything else. There's one little gem that made me do a double-take--I'll post it when I get a better raw.By the by, why did rule breaker drop? Was it to give Shiro a possible look at it, or do all servants just drop their noble phantasms when they die?
USCPharmacist
2006-05-13, 01:00
Caster:"What the fuck was the point of my part of the story?
Teacher:"I don't know, but you got me killed too you bitch, should've let you die that day...anyway why were you dying anyway?"
Anyway that's what I thought about the whole Fate/Stay Night anime, what was the massage of the whole Holy Grail War and stuffs, and how each servants and master related to this theme. I would rather they never develop Caster at all and just make her a big bad villain to be owned by a even more bad ass villain, just for the shock value. But now is like they teased us with coolness, then said, screw it we can't really think of anything cool to tell.
I use to think the Tsukihime anime was crap after I read the translation of the game, but now I think F/SN is worse. I have absulotely no interest in any of the character and story element at all except archer, and now I don't even know if I can finish the series. Furthermore I can't even enjoy it as an action flick. That fight scene between saber and Assassin was boring as hell. Saber come off to me like an idiot instead of a skillful swordwoman. And the resolution of that fight? arrrgggghhh, I would rather they replace that scene with a well fought out footage of Fatal/Fake. Hell I think I am going to play that right now just to forget how crappy this anime has became. And that's from someone who has not play the real game, so I am not mad because the anime fell short compare to the game; I am mad cuz the anime fell short, period. This is my second 1 for an anime beside that 1 for episode 17 of Mai Otome.
Anyway hopefully the last few episodes can convince me otherwise. after all, I have followed it for so long, it would be sad to drop it here. With such a strong season I am more incline to spend my time elsewhere, however.
BTW, Sergay Wang....I meant Gilgimesh wanted a piece of Saber too, or does he just want the sword lol. Also, does archer ever use bow anymore? lol
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 02:59
Well, they did try their best, but I personally felt they should just animate the Fate gamestory in verbatim, instead of trying to fit elements from 3 routes into 1 series. Definitely a bad call in my opinion. And weird scene in ep 15 and Sakura out of the box outfit as sacrifice person really dampened my liking of the anime.
That's why the anime has glimpses of brillance but often tarred by muddled story execution. The repeating stock animation did not help either, I do wonder how they spend the budget for this anime. Sigh.
monstert
2006-05-13, 03:02
If I'm not mistakened..I think the Blades Archer used on his UBW, or most of them are exactly the same ones he saw while fightning Gil as Shirou right ? ; hence.., they probably have the same noble phantasms.
I find however since Archer has the skill to wield any of those blades, that they can far do more damage like that rather then just beeing thrown.
Thus., even though Gil's barrage is Extreamly powerfull, wielding one of those swords at a time would probably cause alot more damage no ? That may be true, but it'd have been nice to see him do more ranged attacks as well.
BTW, Sergay Wang....I meant Gilgimesh wanted a piece of Saber too, or does he just want the sword lol. Also, does archer ever use bow anymore? lol
Archer: Bows are for sissies, you need two hands to use a bow properly, and only one hand to use some kickass Noble Phantasm sword.:heh:
Ok, very good episode.
I'm a bit disappointed that the fight against Assassin didn't last long but the guy seemed happy so I'll disregard this.
Gilgamesh appearance was pretty fast as well.
Mr.PWNAGE arrives and is really pissed off at seeing Caster damaging his belonging. Thus, Mr.PWNAGE proceeds with Caster's ass spanking and takes Kuzuki along by the way.
He says his "hello I'm back" to Saber and leaves
In a word, Gilgamesh just stormed the front and left. Ok, he did that perfectly ^^.
I really liked the conversations between Shirou and Saber with its lot of revelations. And the fact that Shirou is asking Saber if she can remain after the War has ended.
A well-deserved 9. And the graphics are up again (and at last), so a good point.
Freakman
2006-05-13, 03:23
Stormy, could you stop it with the untagged game spoilers ? (Same for you Sushi)
It's been 20 weeks since F/SN started, and I still wonder if anyone coming here hasn't been spoiled everything there is to know about the series.
rpgkiller999
2006-05-13, 03:44
Anyone surprise at how good Shiro handle Kuzuki? I mean his fighting skill improved so much compare to 2 epi ago when his hand bleed from Kuzuki's punches. At this rate we will see Shiro use 'that thing' very soon...
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 04:14
Stormy, could you stop it with the untagged game spoilers ? (Same for you Sushi)
It's been 20 weeks since F/SN started, and I still wonder if anyone coming here hasn't been spoiled everything there is to know about the series.
Untagged? I recall all my posts with spoilers is tagged properly. If it is not done properly, the moderators would have remove it already. Don't chide uneccessarily. :rolleyes: Perhaps you should check your browser, since the spoiler tags works fine with mine.
The first encounter is because Kuzuki enchanced his fist, so Shirou literally got pounded by fists of steel, if I am not mistaken. Perhaps in second encounter Kuzuki feel that he did not enchant his fist and fight normally?
Good ep overall, although the saber x assassin fight was slightly disappointing in my opinion. I really do wonder how Shirou's fighting skill has raised so dramatically in a few episodes, he was almost fighting evenly with Kuzuki..
Also, does this mean Saber will be able to use her noble phantasm again?
Here we go. This little number made me really think deep and hard about where the animation's going:
(Well, not really. I'm just saying that for impact)http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1889/vlcsnap5497052kd.jpgI guess they think nobody would care since it takes up all of 10 frames, but, really--it just glides down the street like a static sprite--no change in shading, no turning of wheels, and it looks like something out of a kid's picture book.
Here we go. This little number made me really think deep and hard about where the animation's going:
(Well, not really. I'm just saying that for impact)http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1889/vlcsnap5497052kd.jpgI guess they think nobody would care since it takes up all of 10 frames, but, really--it just glides down the street like a static sprite--no change in shading, no turning of wheels, and it looks like something out of a kid's picture book.
The animation has been dropping in quality for a while now. Things don't look good for episode 24.
GO Shirou!! Don't let Saber go away... :p
What's this sword:eyebrow:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/colintian/A4363471-12.jpg
Freakman
2006-05-13, 07:03
Stormy : When I meant tagged, i meant using the spoiler=title feature, as in "game content spoiler"
Stormy : When I meant tagged, i meant using the spoiler=title feature, as in "game content spoiler"
I think you should know by now not to read a spoiler - 'cause funny enough all of them are going to be game ones.. people know that by now.
If you think about it, Lancer is actually the nicest guy in all of Fate/stay night, isn't he? ^^; Personally, I like him 10 times more than Archer myself.
I pretty much agree with you - its just people don't understand him 'cause he hasen't been in the anime much. ^^;
Erhjegel
2006-05-13, 07:36
What's this sword:eyebrow:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/colintian/A4363471-12.jpg
It's a shinai...LOL.
How the hell did Gilgamesh let THAT into his Gate of Babylon?
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 07:45
Looks like in joke, afterall, they need some stress relief from working on the series...
MakubeX2
2006-05-13, 07:46
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1237/11475201288029jb.jpg
A cookie to those who can named all the circled weapons. 2 of those shouldn't be that hard.
Erhjegel
2006-05-13, 07:47
Looks like in joke, afterall, they need some stress relief from working on the series...
I'd love to see them release some mini specials should they have a DVD compilation of the series. Like Shakugan no Shana-tan. I'd love to see Taiga in all her (hilarious) glory. :D
@MakubeX2
One is Dark Saber's Excalibur, one is Rider's throwing weapon (forgot the name), and the sword with the inscriptions in it...is that Gram?
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 07:49
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1237/11475201288029jb.jpg
A cookie to those who can named all the circled weapons. 2 of those shouldn't be that hard.
Dark Saber's Black Excalibur, Rider's spike and Thundercats sword? Can't recognize another one.
Erhjegel
2006-05-13, 07:50
That's the Thundercats sword? Seriously?
o____O;
You really have gotta love the in-jokes the creators have placed into the anime for the game fans - and Stormy already said the swords i was gonna say. ;_;
That lance is same like this. Ushio lance(I guess)
http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/33/0000018633/85/img01b976444esmds.jpeg
MakubeX2
2006-05-13, 07:55
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6123/11475229834280fb.jpg
That's the Garo Ken. But coloured differently to avoid a lawsuit, I suppose.
The spear at the back's the Beast Spear from Ushio To Tora.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 07:58
Ah well, I got 2 right. Yay
MakubeX2
2006-05-13, 08:00
I'm suprised that they didn't bother to throw in the Lance of Longinus from EVA here.
I'm suprised that they didn't bother to throw in the Lance of Longinus from EVA here.
I'm sure they at least thought about the idea.
Deathkillz
2006-05-13, 08:30
exellent eps...have been waiting ages for gil to show up...i must say he completely pwned caster...she died too easily for my tastes i think she could have at least showed off some skill (giant magic blast?) before she died...even so she died with style...in the arms of whom she loves how romantic :p
It's a shinai...LOL.
How the hell did Gilgamesh let THAT into his Gate of Babylon?
Probably Taiga's shinai. After all, remember that doujin of her playing the role of Saber?:D Still, it's obvious that the creators enjoy putting these easter eggs for us to find, just like the Shuffle! homework quote, "Animators have been living in bad conditions":heh:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1237/11475201288029jb.jpg
A cookie to those who can named all the circled weapons. 2 of those shouldn't be that hard.
While facing the monitor, from left to right, the first one that you circled.
Looks like just the point of a spear, a bit rusty but with a red tissue wrapped arround where the point of the spear ends.
Since we do not get to see its end, I'm going to take a wild guess here.., actualy.. a REAL wild guess..
- And say.., its maybe the spear that was used on Jesus while he was up on the cross ?
Darkside
2006-05-13, 11:10
the Master Sword better be in there somewhere >:(
Village Idiot
2006-05-13, 12:00
Anyone surprise at how good Shiro handle Kuzuki? I mean his fighting skill improved so much compare to 2 epi ago when his hand bleed from Kuzuki's punches. At this rate we will see Shiro use 'that thing' very soon...
When Shirou Traces a weapon, he also Traces the skill of those whom once used the weapon.
JanthraX^
2006-05-13, 12:01
Rider's chain dagger thingy is there, second circled one from the top.
justinstrife
2006-05-13, 12:06
Someone already guessed right on those circled weapons guys... No need to repost them.
Gil saved this episode. This series is seriously going downhill imo in everything.
ZeRoGravity
2006-05-13, 12:39
Caster:"What the fuck was the point of my part of the story?
Teacher:"I don't know, but you got me killed too you bitch, should've let you die that day...anyway why were you dying anyway?"
Gate of Babylon was kinda nice, too bad the actual projectiles ended up as nothing but yellow flashes. Also, the absence of the finger snap was unforgivable, it's was the defining sound signaling the attack!
Also, it's a little funny to see Caster and Kuzuki-sensei already moving into the "farewell-my-love" mode while killer yellow beams are still raining down around them.
Yes and Yes, Caster story was totally undeveloped and Kazuki just standing was ftw? Hundreds of yellow flashing swords are coming his way and all he does is just stands there. Anyways i was surprise as to what Gil said to Saber though, and did anyone catch what Assassin said about Saber before he disappeared? That gave made me smile. I dunno, this anime is going downhill for me unless the later episodes gets better, as in story about Gil or whatever there is left to tell is as good as the Caster arc =/.
Well, IMO, this series isn't going downhill but we can't really argue on tastes, can we?
What I really loved in this eppy is this:
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5280/eclipsefatestaynight19xvid9b3c.jpg
Deathkillz
2006-05-13, 13:14
the series isnt going downhill at all...its still interesting to watch
anyway theres like 5 eps left so enjoy while you can...:heh:
ZeRoGravity
2006-05-13, 13:15
ok, forgot to ask, how did Gil stayed after the holy grail war ended? Saber said that she destroyed the holy grail? im confuse and now Gil doesn't have a master? whats going on.
rpgkiller999
2006-05-13, 13:16
When Shirou Traces a weapon, he also Traces the skill of those whom once used the weapon.
Yeah, I know that, but 2 epi ago he traced the same weapon but couldn't handle the impact of Kuzuki's punches and bleed. But in this and last epi Shiro is able to stand the impact and put on a fight. Hard to imagine your strength and endurance can improve so much in a day in anime time. Or Shiro 'level up' after beating the skeletons? :heh:
I strongly disagree with USCpharmacist and ZeRoGravity. I think that they did a very good job giving some depth to the Servants, and actually, I found the little details to especially the Caster/Kuzuki backstory very touching.
I mean, what exactly was difficult to understand? And what was supposedly "underdeveloped"? As compared to what?
With a trace of education, the name Medea should ring a bell and give you some background info. If not, it's trivial to look it up in Wikipedia. They showed Caster as Medea. They showed Jason leave. They showed his betrayal and Medea's tears over it. They had shown before that Caster had killed her own master and was roaming around on her own, until her powers were depleted, and until she was taken in by Kuzuki. They showed Caster's unwillingness to open up even after she was rescued, until she realized that Kuzuki's help wasn't selfish by nature (which was the emotional wound she never overcame). In the last ep we saw that he was willing to accept Caster for what she was - being a very warped person to begin with. That he seemed to be what she was really looking for: Someone who truly accepted and cared for her for who she was. Who she loved and cared for in return. In the end, she died trying to protect him. And - for a single time Kuzuki was dishonest in pretending that he wasn't hit, to give Caster a sense of completion, thus showing that while what connected the two may not have been "love" in the common meaning of the world, he did care for her indeed.
To me, this was handled extremely well. A small glimpse into the life and mind of a villain and her mate, what led her there and how they ended. Nothing which I would consider "missing" or "undeveloped" (though I don't know the game).
I mean, more power to you, it's fine if you don't like it :) ... but as one of the few remaining people who are unspoiled, I can only say that the storytelling IS handled in a very impressive way. And if all of this leaves you cold to the characters, this ain't the show for you to begin with, I guess.
Deathkillz
2006-05-13, 13:24
ok, forgot to ask, how did Gil stayed after the holy grail war ended? Saber said that she destroyed the holy grail? im confuse and now Gil doesn't have a master? whats going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_%28Fate/stay_night%29
this should answer it...
ok, forgot to ask, how did Gil stayed after the holy grail war ended? Saber said that she destroyed the holy grail? im confuse and now Gil doesn't have a master? whats going on.
That'll be answered later.
Circular Logic
2006-05-13, 13:25
...What Mentar said.
Some people don't like the idea that they have to look up information about whats going on sometimes in the anime - thats why i said its a nice touch to the people who know everything from the game.
hi!! Rated 10 on this one watching raw. Story weaving, some type of support between surviving 'masters' for each-other and Saber got to be 'narrator' for once letting Rin have a breather. I loved the fight scenes all through this one in artistry work.
Oh on the swords of Gil, a True sword can only be made once and its in all of 'sword history'.
I think Caster told 'her master' its over if they hit you stand behind me? Its hard to read a womans intuitional esp many times...
ZeRoGravity
2006-05-13, 13:57
I strongly disagree with USCpharmacist and ZeRoGravity. I think that they did a very good job giving some depth to the Servants, and actually, I found the little details to especially the Caster/Kuzuki backstory very touching.
I mean, what exactly was difficult to understand? And what was supposedly "underdeveloped"? As compared to what?
With a trace of education, the name Medea should ring a bell and give you some background info. If not, it's trivial to look it up in Wikipedia. They showed Caster as Medea. They showed Jason leave. They showed his betrayal and Medea's tears over it. They had shown before that Caster had killed her own master and was roaming around on her own, until her powers were depleted, and until she was taken in by Kuzuki. They showed Caster's unwillingness to open up even after she was rescued, until she realized that Kuzuki's help wasn't selfish by nature (which was the emotional wound she never overcame). In the last ep we saw that he was willing to accept Caster for what she was - being a very warped person to begin with. That he seemed to be what she was really looking for: Someone who truly accepted and cared for her for who she was. Who she loved and cared for in return. In the end, she died trying to protect him. And - for a single time Kuzuki was dishonest in pretending that he wasn't hit, to give Caster a sense of completion, thus showing that while what connected the two may not have been "love" in the common meaning of the world, he did care for her indeed.
The anime never showed Caster killing her master. I've already caught what you said from watching previous episodes but ty for mentioning something i didn't realize about in this episode. I still think Caster story is lacking, the way i see it, if the writers are gonna do just a little bit of Caster background might as well do it longer, not just a brief 1min moment for her.
The anime never showed Caster killing her master.
Yes they did. I can't tell the exact episode since I don't have them available right now, but IIRC it was during episode 17, when Ilya told them about it. Here we see Caster unleashing a barrage of her missiles, at the poor sap who summoned her.
I've already caught what you said from watching previous episodes but ty for mentioning something i didn't realize about in this episode. I still think Caster story is lacking, the way i see it, if the writers are gonna do just a little bit of Caster background might as well do it longer, not just a brief 1min moment for her.
Well, over the course of the episodes, I guess she got a total of 5 minutes for her backstory. I'd agree that it would have been nicer to allocate more time for it, but then, the anime _is_ living on a budget, and I couldn't say what should have been missing.
Okay - maybe it's because I have to watch every episode at least 4 times, but I really had no problem piecing together Caster's story at all. And if it still leaves someone entirely cold like USCpharmacist, then either it's not your kind of story at all, or he hasn't been paying sufficient attention. I can only say that I feel quite content :)
demon_god04
2006-05-13, 14:14
Pitures ARE worth 1000 words so this poste must be worth 1011 words -.-
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c371/demongod03/Caster.jpg
Deathkillz
2006-05-13, 14:20
Pitures ARE worth 1000 words so this poste must be worth 1011 words -.-
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c371/demongod03/Caster.jpg
one thing i dnt understand is why did caster killed her first master??? should would have know that she would disappear but did it anyway? O.o
demon_god04
2006-05-13, 14:21
hm well he was an abusive jerkwad, im certainly not shedding any tears hes gone :heh:
ZeRoGravity
2006-05-13, 14:23
Yes they did. I can't tell the exact episode since I don't have them available right now, but IIRC it was during episode 17, when Ilya told them about it. Here we see Caster unleashing a barrage of her missiles, at the poor sap who summoned her.
oh shit, Ilya did talk about it, forgot about it.
I couldn't say what should have been missing.
Everything was there but the depth towards her backgroud, as in things that happen in her previous life or before she met Kazuki wasn't emphasized. This i thought kinda made Caster very insignicant, and made all those small back flashes futile.
one thing i dnt understand is why did caster killed her first master??? should would have know that she would disappear but did it anyway? O.o
All this is now just an interpretation of me, and I haven't played the game either (so I might be doubly wrong), but: To me it seems that the defining trauma Caster/Medea went through was when Jason betrayed her for the other princess. Medea had been helping Jason to acquire the golden fleece because she loved him, and he simply cast her aside to solely pursue his selfish wishes. That broke Caster/Medea.
My take is that she killed the master summoning her, because she was about to be used once more - this time by him, for the Grail war. She couldn't stand this, and since she had the necessary mana to keep going for a while, she killed him.
Now, after she had been collapsing, she met Kuzuki, and he simply cared for her WITHOUT expecting anything in return. That was a total first. He was kind to her, yet he didn't have any intention to exploit or use her. THAT is why he was so special to Caster. Even more, without any reason to do so, he was even willing to support Caster in her personal endeavour for the Grail.
It all leaves the impression of a very lonely soul, who was looking for love - and who at her end, managed to find it, in a way.
F!reStr!fe
2006-05-13, 14:40
Gave it a 9 thought it was good. At least Gil did his bad ass duty. :D
And the cutscenes of the past finally open up some history for us.
Also this brings that Archers don't have to be only all bow and arrows >_>
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Pitures ARE worth 1000 words so this poste must be worth 1011 words -.-
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c371/demongod03/Caster.jpg
I don't see how that's worth 1011. There are 9 words as well as the picture.;) :p
Edit:
well I dont mean differant words so there :p :heh:
Forgot to add that it adds up to 1009, not 1011. :P I'm a moron.
I hope they go more into Gilgamesh it seems so totally unfair that he has for one of his phantasms every hero's weapon! Man talk about given a license to cheat! Man I thought it was crazy for Hercules to have 12 lives but to give a servant every weapon that exists! Who is actually in charge of the servants? A total sick twisted deity??? Let's pit them against each other than give this particular servant every weapon know! Not only that let's give him a couple more noble phantasms.
Secondly I hate how they brough Gil in to finish off the fight. We were even while she was gloating over them giving them us an intraspect of WHY she was doing this. Caster liked to gloat and explain things.. Than just pop in with another servant that is like 3 servants in one and blast them away like it was nothing. Very disappointing I was looking forward to some excellent fighting between Saber and Emiya vs Kuzuki and Caster.
Gil seems like a total JERK to me! Not a hero in the least! He's a big spoiled child is all I saw in him! Stand there and do mostly nothing just shoot all them weapons out of his gate as you all call it! Man I can't see why so many like him? He's a big SPOILED CHILD! That just wants his way.
I graciously gave this one a 7 with all the disappointments and a spoiled child wanabe that has way too much power at his disposal. It's like giving a child a bazooka for a toy.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-13, 15:35
I hope they go more into Gilgamesh it seems so totally unfair that he has for one of his phantasms every hero's weapon! Man talk about given a license to cheat! Man I thought it was crazy for Hercules to have 12 lives but to give a servant every weapon that exists! Who is actually in charge of the servants? A total sick twisted deity??? Let's pit them against each other than give this particular servant every weapon know! Not only that let's give him a couple more noble phantasms.
Secondly I hate how they brough Gil in to finish off the fight. We were even while she was gloating over them giving them us an intraspect of WHY she was doing this. Caster liked to gloat and explain things.. Than just pop in with another servant that is like 3 servants in one and blast them away like it was nothing. Very disappointing I was looking forward to some excellent fighting between Saber and Emiya vs Kuzuki and Caster.
Gil seems like a total JERK to me! Not a hero in the least! He's a big spoiled child is all I saw in him! Stand there and do mostly nothing just shoot all them weapons out of his gate as you all call it! Man I can't see why so many like him? He's a big SPOILED CHILD! That just wants his way.
I graciously gave this one a 7 with all the disappointments and a spoiled child wanabe that has way too much power at his disposal. It's like giving a child a bazooka for a toy.
Gil in the myth is a Spoil Child. So nothing really has change.
Wee!!! No idiotic fanservice!! Animation got a little better at some points! The information was adequate. I'll forgive crappy animation at some points and NO ILLYA (yes I'll forgive that, too for this one episode) and give it a 10. At least it's again in the spirit of the F/SN I knew before ep 15.
Although, judging from how the animation hasn't gone back to where it was, I hope they can pull 5 more episodes without the animation turning to total crap.
Oh well, Gil was interesting, but if he keeps that up, he'll probably get on my nerves eventually :p
demon_god04
2006-05-13, 16:04
well the animation and the character art had some wierd places in the previous eps too so its all good;) ofcourse its a tiny bit annoying to see the whole Saber winding up and swinging her sword down animation turning into stock footage like the Shinn stab or freedom spam.... though not as bad mind you:heh:
I don't see how that's worth 1011. There are 9 words as well as the picture.;) :p
well I dont mean differant words so there :p :heh:
Demongod86
2006-05-13, 16:26
Gave the ep a 6...WTF...okay, so you have this whole big fight going on, then king pika just decides to show up and WTFPWN Caster and Kuzuki...and bleh, Shirou better get his act together and tell Saber he loves her so she stays with him and forgets about the whole stupid king arthur thing...about Caster...pfft...she was a villainess the whole time and little more than a cameo villain. Hardly any background then just gets owned like a bitch.
I am still waiting on Sakura to get Rider back just so we can have a 2 girls v. 1 gil action going...
And speaking once again of king pika...he threw a SHINAI out of the gate. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So Taiga has a noble phantasm :O.
Saber better stay at the end of this anime. She needs to realize that there are people that truly care for her, and she'd be far happier forgetting about any mistakes and just staying around as a regular girl.
iamandragon
2006-05-13, 16:33
I hope they go more into Gilgamesh it seems so totally unfair that he has for one of his phantasms every hero's weapon! Man talk about given a license to cheat! Man I thought it was crazy for Hercules to have 12 lives but to give a servant every weapon that exists! Who is actually in charge of the servants? A total sick twisted deity??? Let's pit them against each other than give this particular servant every weapon know! Not only that let's give him a couple more noble phantasms.
Secondly I hate how they brough Gil in to finish off the fight. We were even while she was gloating over them giving them us an intraspect of WHY she was doing this. Caster liked to gloat and explain things.. Than just pop in with another servant that is like 3 servants in one and blast them away like it was nothing. Very disappointing I was looking forward to some excellent fighting between Saber and Emiya vs Kuzuki and Caster.
Gil seems like a total JERK to me! Not a hero in the least! He's a big spoiled child is all I saw in him! Stand there and do mostly nothing just shoot all them weapons out of his gate as you all call it! Man I can't see why so many like him? He's a big SPOILED CHILD! That just wants his way.
I graciously gave this one a 7 with all the disappointments and a spoiled child wanabe that has way too much power at his disposal. It's like giving a child a bazooka for a toy.
Gil is playing the little bad-ass rascle role in this anime...It's easy to fall for guys like him~~
AvatarST
2006-05-13, 16:42
*claps at Mentar for his last few posts*
Cookie for you.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 17:04
Hardly any background? I suggest you read Jason and Argonauts to have a glimpse of Medea. Caster have reason to be what she being in Fate storyline and I don't see why you can call it lack of background. I guess the flashback s is not enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea
This is excellent entry on Medea.
Gilgamesh is spoilt child, if you read the myth. He is 2/3 divine so his powers is almost godlike. You can't blame him for behaving like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh
It also discusses possible real person behind the myth.
Saber destiny is important and there is a reason why she is a hero. Destiny is merciless on human feelings. Bear that in mind.
justinstrife
2006-05-13, 17:14
I gave this episode an 8. The re-using animation with Saber is getting to be as old as Shinn and Kira from Seed Destiny. I wasn't really impressed with her second fight with Assassin in either of these last two episodes. Shirou was far more impressive IMO.
The touching end for Caster and Kazuki, Gil's entrance, and Shirou holding his own against Kazuki, are what gave this episode an 8. Everything else just didn't work for me.
Gil reminds me too much of Knives from Trigun. An arrogant, cocky, and selfish person who only wants what is his including Saber. The episode explains some things nicely like Caster and Kazuki (although too brief). Hope the next one explains many things (I smell a flashback episode).
I do agree with iamandragon. Gil is the total badass, arrogant, spoiled brat, mr.PWNAGE of the anime. And the way he claims Saber as his possession (like he did with everything in the myth actually) made my day ^^.
Hail to our Golden Clad Friend!
This was one hell of an episode - we got the pefect send of for Caster & Souichirou, just a shame to see Caster go out in so much pain when she first got hit.. but just seeing that loving smile to Souichirou brought even more tears to my eyes. ^^
I was never afraid of how Gil' was going to be animated, 'cause imo you really can't go wrong with such a badarse like himself.. he was just perfect.
I would have thought that Shirou would have a much bigger shock to finding out his father was a previous master, and Sabers master - though on the whole story about him, you just gotta remember the smile he fave Shirou when they first met.
Next episode - kawaii Saber! >_____<
Sorrow-K
2006-05-13, 18:02
I agree with the naysayers. F/SN has been going downhill in recent episodes.
This episode did have some good, though, particularly in the second half. They've filled almost all of the holes in Saber and Shirou's background, and they managed to do it in one shot. It impressed me. Though, it goes without saying that the characters that have received the most substantial and comprehensive attention have been these two. Even without knowing about Camelot-lore, we've been shown pretty much everything we need to know about Saber and King Arthur and their pasts. And, thanks to it, we've come to an intimate understanding of her motivations and actions. Shirou's as well.
The bad in this episode: the first half. Never mind the fact that they were saved by deus ex machina (even if that is, in my opinion, a huge negative). But, yet again, we're given a mere glimpse of a side character when they're just about to die, of all times. Far too little, far too late. The question is, how are we supposed to care that they die if we know so little about them? It's not as if F/SN is expecting us to wiki every Servent... we can see that with how comprehensive they've been about Saber's background. I think they're just being lazy. But, then again, I've always been of the opinion that requiring an audience to verse themselves in outside information to fully understand the storyline is lazy story-telling.
Assassin died with little ado. He wasn't much more than an excuse for a fight. Although, from that point of view, Caster wasn't much more than an excuse for a conflict. Gil adds an interesting new twist to the story, but he was so obviously used as a deus ex machina in this episode, that his introduction has been cheapened.
Deathkillz
2006-05-13, 18:07
exellent watching the sudded version...did anyone notice assassin's last words?...they were soo cool as expected from a cool guy...
quote to saber: 'i did think of you as a cute little bird, but rather you were of the lion type, i thought i had a talent for analyzing women, but i guess i need more training in both fields...' *dies*
to me those words were soo cool especially comming from assassin the smooth talker :p it just shows you can never underestimate a women...
Yeah, it implies that he held back somehow...
Anyway, the sun was rising, he couldn't have hold any longer anyway.
His death was really cool, but too fast IMO...
Looks like the priest guy at the end of the episode seems to not know about this 'eighth' servant.
Or does he :)?
kamikazex
2006-05-13, 20:32
pretty crazy epsode..i think the series is only getting better.
Glitch87
2006-05-13, 21:43
first time posting in this thread.....
im actually kind of disturbed of how people think the show is going downhill. I think it is going uphill.
the show was below average. A lot of episodes zip happened. to top it off i almost puked and stopped watching when archer fought berserker... that was just tooo cheesy... I'm sure you know what i mean. Me and my brother laugh and repeat "I am the bone of my sword!~~~".
anyways... as soon as the illyia and shinji conflicts were done with, and we have caster conflict, things just set towards a quick and decisive actions, unlike what was happening episodes ago. If this was a longer anime, i would say this is where the series really got good. but its not so i can just say that I have no idea why ppl are dissing these episodes.
P.S. Kickass animation for emiya vs souichirou and some parts of saber/assasin.
kamikazex
2006-05-13, 21:56
ya the fight scene between shirou and the teacher was crazy. shirou got soo much better
Darkside
2006-05-13, 21:59
A lot of episodes zip happened. to top it off i almost puked and stopped watching when archer fought berserker... that was just tooo cheesy... I'm sure you know what i mean. Me and my brother laugh and repeat "I am the bone of my sword!~~~".
haha I thought that's the part of the fight everyone loved the most...:uhoh:
ahahahahaha... doesnt it feels ironic that servant could be summon from any time yet, Gil cant summon any weapon from the future...
I mean.. surely, lasers, torpedo, nukes etc etc are much much better thens swords :heh:
Makes me wonder why the series end at 24 episodes? Maybe do a special of two episodes focusing on the 2nd and 3rd paths (very unlikely but want to like .hack/SIGN).
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-13, 23:29
Looks like the priest guy at the end of the episode seems to not know about this 'eighth' servant.
Or does he :)?
He knew quite a bit. I cannot say anymore.
Makes me wonder why the series end at 24 episodes? Maybe do a special of two episodes focusing on the 2nd and 3rd paths (very unlikely but want to like .hack/SIGN).
It is called $$$$.
kamikazex
2006-05-13, 23:42
if more ppl supported anime then maybe..but guess anime profits arent high enough for them
Caster's story could have been explained furthur if it wasn't for the time constrain. But I liked the ending. The flashbacks were appropriately timed and not too long. Gil's appearance is like so fast and shortly after, he was gone.
Darkside
2006-05-14, 00:16
i loved Gil's look of disgust from Caster's comment about saber before he made his entrance xD
Is Gil's last 3 swords aimed at Kuzuki?
Did anyone else shed a tear or feel upset when Caster said "Master!" and took those three blades into her ? Cause I know I did.
First scene ever where I felt sad in Fate/stay night.
justinstrife
2006-05-14, 01:07
Did anyone else shed a tear or feel upset when Caster said "Master!" and took those three blades into her ? Cause I know I did.
First scene ever where I felt sad in Fate/stay night.
Yes I did feel for her death. Hers and Archer's were the only ones to affect me so far
I still don't understand one thing, what was Caster's wish to fulfill? The second issue, what is up with Caster's master, i thought he was a school teacher, but now it seems like he has a strong final fantasy fetish.
I believe she found that she loved her master?
I wish their was more of a duel between that gold armoured guy and Caster, it went too quick :|
ahahahahaha... doesnt it feels ironic that servant could be summon from any time yet, Gil cant summon any weapon from the future...
I mean.. surely, lasers, torpedo, nukes etc etc are much much better thens swords :heh:
Unfortunately, conventional weapons can't hurt a Servant. Even a nuke...
Only magics/NP can hurt a Servant.
JanthraX^
2006-05-14, 04:51
Gil pretty much made that episode and his theme tune was very fitting.
Great episode plenty of fighting and nice movements, however casters death wasn't all that great it didnt feel emotionaly charged. Ep 20 looks like its gonna be a bit of a calm before the storm ep.
monstert
2006-05-14, 05:14
Unfortunately, conventional weapons can't hurt a Servant. Even a nuke... You do realize a nuke is not a conventional weapon, right? Only magics/NP can hurt a Servant. Well, what if you're summoned from the future and your NP is a missile launcher, a gun or a...:eek:...gundam?:heh:
You do realize a nuke is not a conventional weapon, right?
Well, what if you're summoned from the future and your NP is a missile launcher, a gun or a...:eek:...gundam?:heh:
I do for a nuke... if you prefer, weapons made by men thanks to technology.
In a way, if a weapon isn't imbued with magics, it can't hurt a Servant. However, I doubt there is a Servant armed with nukes... even in the future LOL.
Eh, if he can summon it using a NP, doesn't that make it capable of harming a Servant? So a summoned nuke is still the best option :p
Well, the problem would be to get away from the blast... the radius can be pretty big :D. What's the point of dying along the others ^^?
Well, the problem would be to get away from the blast... the radius can be pretty big :D. What's the point of dying along the others ^^?
Coolness factor :p You have to respect someone who is so set on his objective to destroy you that he is willing to destroy himself in the process.
Well, I would have pretty well seen Gilgamesh pulling out a rocket launcher instead of his three swords to finish off Caster and Kuzuki.
Just like in Metal Slug you know "Rocket Launcher" or "Armor Piercer"! Then fire in the hole!
What? This is neither CS nor Metal Slug? Ok ------->[]
Bah.. If I were a master.. I'll summon Loran Cehack on Turn A >.< Moonlight butterfly the other master/servant for 10K years of history :heh: No more holy Grail :heh:
/me Get lost Gundam fanboy >.<
:heh:
I'm bored.. and tired ... sorry ._.
Pellissier
2006-05-14, 07:08
Uhm, this episode gets an 8. I'll be brief.
++ Interesting and involving setting for the whole first half
+ Animations back to high levels and nice visual aspects.
+ The finale left a bit of suspence for what it will be.
+ Good enjoyability all in all.
+ Explanations on the second half filled some blank spots with interesting notions. Even so...
- ... 10 full minutes of (fast) speech couldn't help but being kinda heavy to bear.
- Gilgamesh appearence was too sudden, most like out of the blue. As well as he disappeared.
- Didn't Caster role and history deserve a little more room?
-- Assassin's knockout was too cheap. Presented as a great swordsman and stuff, he was eliminated too easily from a Saber Excalibur-less. The shows is definitely suffering a lack of minutage.
Saber couldn't use her Excalibur against Caster, but against Assassin, she proved to be able to use it.
And the sun was rising, Assassin couldn't go all out on this last action anymore. It's not like he's really been beaten because of lack of skill.
Didn't Caster role and history deserve a little more room?
Nope, thats for you to look up on.
Assassin's knockout was too cheap. Presented as a great swordsman and stuff, he was eliminated too easily from a Saber Excalibur-less. The shows is definitely suffering a lack of minutage.
The main went out like a warrior - he gave everything he got, but like he's been saying, Saber is the stronger servant.
Definitely a hell of a lot better than the episode 18.
Assassin vs Saber wasn't that exciting, in fact the fights seem to be going a bit downhill...
Shirou vs the-teacher-guy (don't make me try and spell it -.- ), Shirou really got his butt kicked, especially when he fell from the edge ouch! maybe he should actually try and be a better swordsman instead of relying entirely on the weapons capability.
Caster vs Gil, not rlly a fight Gil totally slaughtered her maybe she could have dodged it if she didn't have the hood covering her eyes XD jks
We learnt almost nothing about Caster at all what's up with that? I kno they have limited screen time to put everything in but geez...
learnt a little interesting stuff about the emiya guy who adopted shirou and the grail bit, for a while I thought there was only one grail thats resummoned but apparently theres new one for each war pffft...
Is Rin constantly flirting with Shirou when she keeps using her mischevious smile?
preview looks great finally the Saber date XD Rins definitely jealous.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-14, 10:02
We learnt almost nothing about Caster at all what's up with that? I kno they have limited screen time to put everything in but geez...
Caster is Medea, what more do you need to know?
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-14, 10:02
Sigh, the animators assume people would equip themselves with knowledge as to who is Medea is. There is only 24 eps and not enough to animate Caster's history. I thought the flashbacks is brillant execution and viewers should able to gauge as to her motivation here.
Demongod86
2006-05-14, 10:47
And on another note, odds are, by next ep, Sakura wakes up, which begs the question...WHERE IS RIDER?! Is she coming back to fill out the HF aspects?
I also want to see Taiga's NP since Gilgamesh did throw a Shinai outta the gate =X
justinstrife
2006-05-14, 10:48
Sigh, the animators assume people would equip themselves with knowledge as to who is Medea is. There is only 24 eps and not enough to animate Caster's history. I thought the flashbacks is brillant execution and viewers should able to gauge as to her motivation here.
You guys are missing what we're complaining about. We wanted to see more of Caster's life animated and not just look it up on Wiki. We wanted to feel more connection with these tragic characters, instead of only getting fleeting glimpses, and then that's that.
But I guess this is what makes people different. We all view things from different angles, and what one person enjoys, another doesn't. *shrug*
This series has quickly fallen from my favorite, to a top 5 of the season. At it's current pacing, it'll be fall even further as other shows only get better. What a shame too, as it's stories and characters had so much potential.
demon_god04
2006-05-14, 10:51
I also want to see Taiga's NP since Gilgamesh did throw a Shinai outta the gate =X
how are you sure its Taiga's maybe its Saber's, the one shes using to beat up Shirou every practice:p weapons used or even held by great kings sometimes given to loyal vassals and gain some status:p :heh:
We got to see who Caster loves, and the reason behind that love - its true that the whole backstory between the two characters wasen't explained, but still that wasen't 100% needed in the anime. We get what we need to understand the anime.
Like it or not, it's the kind of anime where you need to know some background or wiki the characters when their names are revealed. There is only 24 episodes and even in the game, you have to do this if you want to have a better understanding of the Servants true motivations. And even without this, the major events are still shown in the anime.
No offense, but this show isn't meant for some 8 y.o. kids who are waiting for everything to come right down to them without lifting a finger.
If this drawback is a major flaw for you, then stop watching the show, it's been like this for the last 19 episodes and it's not bound to change IMO.
demon_god04
2006-05-14, 11:18
Well I just kinda felt that arc was missing something, I always thought that besides showing Caster's story and her master it also clearly defined were two of the characters are opposed to eachother.
Also if they manage to convey with flashbacks what they wanted us to knew about Medea then all is well. Ofcourse its all a matter of personal oppinon, if Caster was more central to the plot then yes abit more to her life then just little flashbacks are needed to give us that connection with the characters. She was probly intended as a side character/mini boss and so we got the flashbacks.
Deathkillz
2006-05-14, 11:24
considering that caster and her master are only minor chara with no major significance...the writers have already shown enough of them...nothing else major is gona develop anyway so they left it as caster being able to fullfill her desire...
also considering that the whole show is 24 eps spending too much time with minor chara is somewhat wasteful...unless they decide to make more than 24 eps i would rather move on to more exciting stuff...
Erhjegel
2006-05-14, 12:03
Giving this an 8, and I'll cite the reasons later.
One definite thing, continuously reused footage = boring as hell. Gilgamesh's appearance was godly awesome, though, and the "OMFGWTF" expression on both Kuzuki and Caster's faces were rich. Especially with her eating Gate of Babylon.
Though Caster's whole death scene was touching, I've embraced the fact that the producers can't animate everything in the game.
Is the next episode going to be a comedy? Maybe to set the stage for the whole last battle scene, and to take away the seriousness that's been built up in the past episodes.
Something I just noticed: looking back at the Gate of Babylon, did I just see Blutzsauger and Nietono no Shana? o_________O;
You mean you can actually tell Nietono no Shana? It's just a big katana :p
Is the next episode going to be a comedy? Maybe to set the stage for the whole last battle scene, and to take away the seriousness that's been built up in the past episodes.
Yeah I think it will be a comedy including Shirou and Sabers relationship growing.
An ep like that interests me as much as the main storyline, they should make some ova's to show more parts like this but I guess it kind of betrays the genre of fsn if they make it like a comedy, romance or harem.
i don't really understand where is this going at..... like how are sevants supposed to be embarassed or falling for their masters... o_______O doesn't really make sense to meee
Deathkillz
2006-05-14, 20:37
i don't really understand where is this going at..... like how are sevants supposed to be embarassed or falling for their masters... o_______O doesn't really make sense to meee
well servents are the same as humans...they are spirits from the past so ofc they would have emotions of their past lives...like caster who was in love with a man in her past life as a servent she still retains her personallity...
I enjoyed serveral things that missed 1st watching. I GOT to see Caster smile, at the point where shirou was falling into the pit area after Kuzuki destroyed his two summoned weapons. That was a priceless smile.
Casters Dream-wish was fulfilled IN my honest opinion at their end Because her and her master were 'two cold hearted bastards' whos souls met across the space of time to be joined. It was a fleeting few seconds but who knows how many roses bloomed in their short gardens of happiness that existed before the fall?
I feel Caster got what she deserved for attacking and draining the people of the city to build her alter there.
I'm wondering now 'will there be life after f/sn is over' ? I have really been on the edge of my seat weekly waiting on it.
Captain_Dope
2006-05-14, 20:47
From what I read, Assassin's summon was incomplete. That's why he couldn't leave the temple. It also caused him to not be able to use any noble phantasms. Overall, his powers were not at their highest potential. If Assassin's summon had been complete he would have been more powerful.
About the episode though, I thought Caster's death was very sad. Definately the saddest scene so far in the series.
Gave this episode a 7.
Didn't really like the rather anti-climatic ending to the battles. They seem to be rushing it a bit and the episode did seem to go by rather quickly.
iamandragon
2006-05-14, 21:21
I watched episode 19 before I slept...
And I had a dream...Gil proposed to me! What should I do what should I do what shoud I do?!
demon_god04
2006-05-14, 21:29
Isn't it obvious? Marry him and take everything he has in the divorce;) :heh:
The next episode preview has no action so probably it will be a flashback episode, an answering episode about the cast of characters revolving around Shirou, or an explanation about the Holy Grail War.
kamikazex
2006-05-14, 23:04
next epsode should be crazy good
soo suprized to see shirou able to hold off the teacher
hes skills have increased ALOT
From what I read, Assassin's summon was incomplete. That's why he couldn't leave the temple. It also caused him to not be able to use any noble phantasms. Overall, his powers were not at their highest potential. If Assassin's summon had been complete he would have been more powerful.
About the episode though, I thought Caster's death was very sad. Definately the saddest scene so far in the series.
Assassin (Kojirou) doesn't have a Noble Phantasm.
Actually, he doesn't have a Noble Phantasm but his Tsubame-Gaeshi achieves the level of a Noble Phantasm.
It is referred as : Tsubame-Gaeshi : anti-personnel demonic blade.
Erhjegel
2006-05-15, 04:31
You mean you can actually tell Nietono no Shana? It's just a big katana :p
The hilt and the curve of the blade are somehow distinct. XD
Assassin's Tsubame Gaeshi isn't considered as a Hougu, but it's comparable as one. Also, he was bound to the Temple by the same ways that a Servant is bound to his/her Master (see Fuyuki wiki).
direwolf_daishi
2006-05-15, 05:41
is it me or is Kotomine saying tha Saber can live as a human or can live in the present world, should she drink from the Holy Grail?
is it me or is Kotomine saying tha Saber can live as a human or can live in the present world, should she drink from the Holy Grail?
i think yes. just like our Golden Clad Friend who managed to stay since the previous Grail War.
Erhjegel
2006-05-15, 07:30
i think yes. just like our Golden Clad Friend who managed to stay since the previous Grail War.
That's exactly what Kotomine is tempting Shirou with.
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 08:19
Was that also mentioned in the game, or is that just something new added to the show for the possibility of Saber staying and having a happy ending in the harem?
philip72
2006-05-15, 11:54
Was that also mentioned in the game, or is that just something new added to the show for the possibility of Saber staying and having a happy ending in the harem?
I'm convinced it's gonna be Rin's harem in the end, she's still got a few more episodes in which to consolidate and make Shirou her beard.
i think yes. just like our Golden Clad Friend who managed to stay since the previous Grail War.
He stayed through other means. I can't say any more.
watched ep. 19. caster is dead, kuzuki is dead and now we see a servant so madly in love with saber :heh: what will shirou do?
iamandragon
2006-05-15, 12:49
Gil isn't in love with Saber, he's in love with me!!@@
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 12:51
Gil is really only in love with himself. He just wants saber to be his possession because she would probably give him a good fight (and to reproduce ... if heroic spirits can do that? I wouldn't know ... but it IS an H-game, lol) and he likes the feisty ones XD.
iamandragon
2006-05-15, 12:52
Fate is a galgame not a H-game...please don't demote fate to the level of H-game...
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 13:21
Well, on wiki it's classified as an H-game, so that's what I was going with :\
EDIT: Is this scene like this in the game as well? I thought it was odd that Gil didn't try to take Saber while everyone else was either tired or injured o__O
iamandragon
2006-05-15, 13:25
That's 'cause gil was hesitating between me and Saber.
I remember it was some dirt that made gil retreat...he can't stand a bit of dust on his armor and had to return to grease it...
Demongod86
2006-05-15, 13:56
I'm wondering now 'will there be life after f/sn is over' ? I have really been on the edge of my seat weekly waiting on it.
That's why we need a Fate Hollow Ataraxia in Tenchi Muyo style except with FAR hotter girls! I mean imagine the pairings! Gil x Saber, Shirou x Rin, Kuzuki x Caster, Rider x Sakura (:naughty: ), Illya x Berserker (let's not think about this one :heh: ). It would be all around comedy and fanservice!
iamandragon
2006-05-15, 14:07
Illya x Berserker (let's not think about this one :heh: ).
lol forgive me but I just can't stop laughing...
That's why we need a Fate Hollow Ataraxia in Tenchi Muyo style except with FAR hotter girls! I mean imagine the pairings! Gil x Saber, Shirou x Rin, Kuzuki x Caster, Rider x Sakura (:naughty: ), Illya x Berserker (let's not think about this one :heh: ). It would be all around comedy and fanservice!
How i'm glad you've got nothing to do with the series.
That's why we need a Fate Hollow Ataraxia in Tenchi Muyo style except with FAR hotter girls! I mean imagine the pairings! Gil x Saber, Shirou x Rin, Kuzuki x Caster, Rider x Sakura (:naughty: ), Illya x Berserker (let's not think about this one :heh: ). It would be all around comedy and fanservice!
Pair 1: Ugh...
Pair 2: Good enough
Pair 3: Natural
Pair 4: Eh... bleh
Pair 5: WTFOMG nonononononono! After all "THAT" belongs to me! Hmm... I like that quote :D
philip72
2006-05-15, 14:44
Fate is a galgame not a H-game...please don't demote fate to the level of H-game...
If it's a galgame it's a very naughty galgame.
Some of the images in it are more hardcore than the demented fan stuff you see on imageboards.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-15, 14:46
Fate is a galgame not a H-game...please don't demote fate to the level of H-game...
I believed Kj1980 said it was Ero-game.
Npal, Illya is Mine :D
*slaps Npal away with his tentacles.:heh:
Back on the episode, do you think Shirou will realize what his purpose is in the war or is he still being idealistic about saving everyone?
Back on the episode, do you think Shirou will realize what his purpose is in the war or is he still being idealistic about saving everyone?
Well, no one of those he protected died. I don't see him giving up so easily. He even managed to get to Archer in the end, and he's getting better in battle and all, I don't think he let his idealism go.
Npal, Illya is Mine :D
Bwahahahah in you dreams :p
*So as I pray
Unlimited Loli Works
iamandragon
2006-05-15, 14:58
You two keep fighting over Illya, and until your fight ends I'll hold Illya and play with her~~
And no, Shirou still havn't learnt a single thing from this war, from what I've seen...
Xellos-_^
2006-05-15, 15:21
Well, no one of those he protected died. I don't see him giving up so easily. He even managed to get to Archer in the end, and he's getting better in battle and all, I don't think he let his idealism go.
Bwahahahah in you dreams :p
*So as I pray
Unlimited Loli Works
*responds with Gate of Loli :D
I think Shirou has change. i think Omi pointed it out. Shirou thought about trying to save the teacher but realize that he couldn't save everyone so he left him there.
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 15:39
I thought it was more that he felt sorry that the teacher had to get involved ... I mean, I doubt he ever really cared for the teacher much o__O
Well, I think there's no point in saving someone's who's practically dead :p I mean, wasn't he dead when they were leaving? No reason to save him when his hands were full (with Sakura :naughty:)
*responds with Gate of Loli :D
*Summons the Loli Grail
I thought it was more that he felt sorry that the teacher had to get involved ... I mean, I doubt he ever really cared for the teacher much o__O
Still - a dead person is a dead person to Shirou, and there were a number of times in the past few episodes that Shirou was trying to save Souichirou from Caster.
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 16:25
I honestly don't think it affects him much ... I mean, he and Shinji were supposedly friends, and when he found out that Shinji was dead, he was shocked for a little, but not all that affected (and don't say it's because Shinji sucks and his personality is that of a retarded donkey, because the teacher's personality wasn't that much better) XD
I honestly don't think it affects him much ... I mean, he and Shinji were supposedly friends, and when he found out that Shinji was dead, he was shocked for a little, but not all that affected (and don't say it's because Shinji sucks and his personality is that of a retarded donkey, because the teacher's personality wasn't that much better) XD
Well, at least the teacher treated his servant well, unlike Shinji the ass. Poor Rider :sad:
and don't say it's because Shinji sucks and his personality is that of a retarded donkey, because the teacher's personality wasn't that much better XD
I'm not going to - 'cause unlike most people i really like Shinji as a character in F/SN & Souichirou imo has one hell of a back story to make him a character i just have to respect & love.
Just because these were characters that are on the 'i've done something bad' list doesn't mean that Shirou wanted them to die - like i said it wanted to save Souichirou, and he even tried his best to save Shinji.
I agree with Angelsama.
If Shirou could have saved them, he would have done so.
For the moment, he's becoming a bit like his father, that is to say, he has his objective and doesn't want (or maybe doesn't have the time) to care about those who refused his help.
He's in the middle of a war. And he doesn't have time to have remorses about the dead Masters. In a way, "if they're dead, so be it, there's nothing I can do about it anymore."
Demongod86
2006-05-15, 17:22
I'm not going to - 'cause unlike most people i really like Shinji as a character in F/SN & Souichirou imo has one hell of a back story to make him a character i just have to respect & love.
Just because these were characters that are on the 'i've done something bad' list doesn't mean that Shirou wanted them to die - like i said it wanted to save Souichirou, and he even tried his best to save Shinji.
Shinji was the biggest waste of space in FSN. What was his point? To get rider screwed out of a better place in the show? I hope he gets even more omnipwned in hell.
stormy001_M1A2
2006-05-15, 17:29
Still - a dead person is a dead person to Shirou, and there were a number of times in the past few episodes that Shirou was trying to save Souichirou from Caster.
They did not show it in anime but Shirou also mourned for Shinji after he got clobbered by Berserker. Shirou just don't like the idea of people dying, period.
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 17:30
Demon, if you don't want to contribute to a serious discussion, please refrain from contributing at all ... you did EXACTLY what I said NOT to do :\
Shinji was the biggest waste of space in FSN. What was his point? To get rider screwed out of a better place in the show? I hope he gets even more omnipwned in hell.
Well - some like you who only cares about fanservice & wanting Rider back would say that.
They did not show it in anime but Shirou also mourned for Shinji after he got clobbered by Berserker. Shirou just don't like the idea of people dying, period.
Yep, thats just what i've been saying - it doesn't matter how much of an enemy the person was, Shirou would do what he could to save them.
Sinestra
2006-05-15, 17:39
I do think that Shirou has changed in some very good ways but in others he hasent. That nievette side of his that wants to save everyone is the trait of a true hero. I think if there was a way to save the teacher he would have done so and also even though Shinji was a winny crybaby bitch who tried to kill him he would have tried to save him to. Shirou's problem is he focuses on what he might be able do instead of what he can do. Therefore putting everyone else in harms way than feeling like he hasent accomplished anything. I will admit his fighting skills are getting better and his tracing is almost instant now. I do understand that Saber dropped a bomb on him at the end of the episode but untill he learns to make the tough choices (like his father did) i think he is still going to have a hard time
Saber tells Shirou that 10 years ago her former master betrayed her and forced her to destroy the holy grail that master was Shirous father. On top that Saber also says she was not able to defeat the Archer type in Golden Armor
Deathkillz
2006-05-15, 17:56
I do think that Shirou has changed in some very good ways but in others he hasent. That nievette side of his that wants to save everyone is the trait of a true hero. I think if there was a way to save the teacher he would have done so and also even though Shinji was a winny crybaby bitch who tried to kill him he would have tried to save him to. Shirou's problem is he focuses on what he might be able do instead of what he can do. Therefore putting everyone else in harms way than feeling like he hasent accomplished anything. I will admit his fighting skills are getting better and his tracing is almost instant now. I do understand that Saber dropped a bomb on him at the end of the episode but untill he learns to make the tough choices (like his father did) i think he is still going to have a hard time
Saber tells Shirou that 10 years ago her former master betrayed her and forced her to destroy the holy grail that master was Shirous father. On top that Saber also says she was not able to defeat the Archer type in Golden Armor
i can see shirou in the next eps having to fight his inner-self wheather to fight and endanger his life (and also saber's because she would act as a human shield) or not to fight and watch saber get killed? :uhoh:
Demongod86
2006-05-15, 22:15
They did not show it in anime but Shirou also mourned for Shinji after he got clobbered by Berserker. Shirou just don't like the idea of people dying, period.
Shirou shoulda just snapped Shinji's neck when he had the chance, though. Because he did not, TWO servants died. Saber pwned her mana pool taking down Rider then Archer got pwned cuz Saber couldn't fight. It woula been a much better solution to whack Shinji and have two more living good guy servants.
PhantomX
2006-05-15, 22:26
You're missing the point. Shirou is narrow-minded when it comes to his ideals, so of course he wouldn't want to kill anyone, or let them die for that matter :\
And Rider was NOT a good servant with regards to him at least (seeing as they fought ... regardless of whose orders they were).
Village Idiot
2006-05-16, 00:15
You're missing the point. Shirou is narrow-minded when it comes to his ideals, so of course he wouldn't want to kill anyone, or let them die for that matter :\
Thing is, he's already failed to fullfill his vow to save everyone by making the choice to save Sakura over Kuzuki (assuming he was still alive).
And no, Shirou still havn't learnt a single thing from this war, from what I've seen...
I also don't think Shirou will learn a single thing in this war. The most important thing that this Grail War had done for Shirou was to teach him how to better control his Tracing abilities, to finally give him the strength to fight for his ideals.
hoshino_crimsonwings
2006-05-16, 01:00
I don't think SHinji was "Worth-less"; if not for his force field, Rin wouldn't see that Shirou had some sort of use, I think when Rin and Shirou worked together at the school their bond strengthened. Furthermore when Rin heard that Shirou declined Shinji's request for an alliance, she trusted Shirou more than before. Shinji definitely wasn't "Worth less".
Erhjegel
2006-05-16, 03:31
Gate of Loli?
?!
That's MY Hougu!
*creates a new Hougu - Loli Elish*
Also, it's not fully disclosed yet, but how Gilgamesh stayed on this world is the same as it is in both the anime and the game.
Thing is, he's already failed to fullfill his vow to save everyone by making the choice to save Sakura over Kuzuki (assuming he was still alive).
Souichirou looked pretty dead - and i believe it would of rather wanted to stay there nexted to the place that Caster vanished.
Red_eyes
2006-05-16, 07:29
how on earth did saber beat assassin. she was wearing full plate mail and yet she could rival assassin's speed (who was using a katana and is KNOWN for being fast). she was also cursed, and still broke through assassin's final strike.
why is gilgamesh an archer class? he's wearing full platemail too, looks more like a knight / saber imo. it also says that he used a ton of noble phantasms, because he had a lot of weapons from heroes, but aren't noble phantasms special attacks, and not the actual item itself? I'm kind of confused. =/
how on earth did saber beat assassin. she was wearing full plate mail and yet she could rival assassin's speed (who was using a katana and is KNOWN for being fast). she was also cursed, and still broke through assassin's final strike.
Saber bent Assassin's sword - thats how she was able to get through the Tsubame Gaeshi.
Erhjegel
2006-05-16, 08:02
why is gilgamesh an archer class? he's wearing full platemail too, looks more like a knight / saber imo. it also says that he used a ton of noble phantasms, because he had a lot of weapons from heroes, but aren't noble phantasms special attacks, and not the actual item itself? I'm kind of confused. =/
If you want to get into the specific details...
-> Why is Gilgamesh an Archer? Because of the use of "Extensive Abilities", one of which the Servant class Archer is well-suited for.
-> Noble Phantasms special attacks or items? It's both. Not only does it revolve around the item, but also on the usage of the item itself.
how on earth did saber beat assassin. she was wearing full plate mail and yet she could rival assassin's speed (who was using a katana and is KNOWN for being fast). she was also cursed, and still broke through assassin's final strike.
Realistically? Katanas fail against plate armor. It's kind of hard to slash against plate(argueably near impossible, except against a joint/weakspot. Katanas are hardly the be-all-and end all weapon they're made out to be.)
Anime-wise? Fucking plot baby! :p
Anime-wise? Fucking plot baby! :p
I've actually gave the reason to how she beat him.
Realistically? Katanas fail against plate armor. It's kind of hard to slash against plate(argueably near impossible, except against a joint/weakspot. Katanas are hardly the be-all-and end all weapon they're made out to be.)
Anime-wise? Fucking plot baby! :p
Actually, a very well-made katana would slash through plate quite easily, especially if the guy who's wielding it is a swordsmaster.
EDIT: thanks Angelsama for this explanation, I did overlook this ;)
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 09:39
Saber bent Assassin's sword - thats how she was able to get through the Tsubame Gaeshi.
This wasn't actually mentioned or visible in th episode, right?
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 09:43
A smarter swordsman will or else slash the knight where they're not protected by the plate armor instead of trying to slash through the armor. A heavy cavalry plate armor weights over a ton...it's not that easy to slash through one even if they're stationary...(not to mention that they're always running on horses, though katana were designed to cut the leg of the horses so they will fall and throw the knight off, killing them instantly)
Anyways, back on the anime...
how on earth did saber beat assassin. she was wearing full plate mail and yet she could rival assassin's speed (who was using a katana and is KNOWN for being fast). she was also cursed, and still broke through assassin's final strike.
why is gilgamesh an archer class? he's wearing full platemail too, looks more like a knight / saber imo. it also says that he used a ton of noble phantasms, because he had a lot of weapons from heroes, but aren't noble phantasms special attacks, and not the actual item itself? I'm kind of confused. =/
Servents ignore the rules in this world. They're from another dimension.
Noble Phamtasm, when translated into English, doesn't sound like it, but if you do a direct translation on each word without interprating, it will be 'treasure' and 'tool'--that's their weapon. (who the heck came up with the translation noble phantasm?) Gil's a glitch in this anime so his Noble Phantasm is not like the others...(I remember somewhere it says the richer the master, the more powerful Gil gets...or maybe my memories are messed up...I just screwed up my exam...)
Erhjegel
2006-05-16, 09:50
This wasn't actually mentioned or visible in th episode, right?
Assassin mentions it briefly. Also, the curve of the tachi becomes more noticeably curved.
EDIT: More noticeably curved in CERTAIN shots, but due to usage of repeating scenes, you don't notice the bend in the sword at all.
Ridiculous. -______-;
darkchibi07
2006-05-16, 10:26
Makes you wonder. Will Studio DEEN touch up on some of the scenes for the DVD version?
They'd need to do a LOT of touch up :p And I don't think they'll bother re-drawing.
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 10:33
Assassin mentions it briefly. Also, the curve of the tachi becomes more noticeably curved.
EDIT: More noticeably curved in CERTAIN shots, but due to usage of repeating scenes, you don't notice the bend in the sword at all.
Ridiculous. -______-;
LOL ... is there a time frame where I can maybe pause it to see the large bend (or maybe someone post screenshots to compare)?
I hadn't noticed it and I figured that what Assassin said referred to Saber just being so desperate to get to Shirou and the others that she overpowered his Tsubame Gaeshi :\
I just hope the animation doesn't become as bad as Soul Link :p I mean, we all know Archer and Gil took most of the budget, so I just pray they can at least keep it at acceptable levels.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-16, 11:02
*Summons the Loli Grail
Are you going to drink form that :eyebrow:
I just want Fate/Stay Night Fummofu type series. I gave up on FSN as a serious epic story after the 3rd ep. But as a Harem/comedy series it has got a lot potiential :heh: :p
Are you going to drink form that :eyebrow:
I just want Fate/Stay Night Fummofu type series. I gave up on FSN as a serious epic story after the 3rd ep. But as a Harem/comedy series it has got a lot potiential :heh: :p
I gave up on it on ep 15. Harem/comedies tend to fail nowadays, no reason for F/SN to fail THAT miserably :p. It's already exhibiting low quality signs :p
Nah, I'll just wish for my own private loli paradise :D
that was cool when gilgamesh unleash his barage of weapons :) but doesn't he have his own personal sword?
He does... just wait & see.
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 12:34
It says his weapon is anti-world...but when he actually uses the world doesn't end...weird...
Does Gil have Noble Phantasms? Shirou, Saber, and Rin couldn't tell what did he used. The next episode seems to settle down and judging from the preview there is no fighting involved or is it?
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 12:38
Are you going to drink form that :eyebrow:
I just want Fate/Stay Night Fummofu type series. I gave up on FSN as a serious epic story after the 3rd ep. But as a Harem/comedy series it has got a lot potiential :heh: :p
I actually would have preferred this more as an epic story, using all these famous names for heroes would have allowed for it if it wasn't for all the haremness and blatant fanservice.
I would've enjoyed this series infinitely more if it was more tragic/intense with more subtle fanservice (like with Rider).
HF would've made the best show by far XD
I actually would have preferred this more as an epic story, using all these famous names for heroes would have allowed for it if it wasn't for all the haremness and blatant fanservice.
I would've enjoyed this series infinitely more if it was more tragic/intense with more subtle fanservice (like with Rider).
HF would've made the best show by far XD
Trying to be another Tenchi series clone? It's been overused too much but the original Fate/Stay Night is a h-game, so it probably will be a harem and fanservice series. Wish it was more like Wordsworth. At least it was a h-game first, then a h-anime with serious storytelling (Hints of comedy but very minor).
Village Idiot
2006-05-16, 12:49
Does Gil have Noble Phantasms? Shirou, Saber, and Rin couldn't tell what did he used. The next episode seems to settle down and judging from the preview there is no fighting involved or is it?
They are ALL Nobel Phantasms.
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 12:53
Trying to be another Tenchi series clone? It's been overused too much but the original Fate/Stay Night is a h-game, so it probably will be a harem and fanservice series. Wish it was more like Wordsworth. At least it was a h-game first, then a h-anime with serious storytelling (Hints of comedy but very minor).
I have nothing to compare it too ... I'm pretty new to the anime scene, the only two I'ld seen before this are Naruto and Bleach, just giving my opinion, if it's already been done it's been done ... just thought it could be epic because it uses so many epic heroes. And I know it's based off of an H-game, and I'm not saying I dislike it, but that it could have been better.
And yes, those are all Nobel Phantasms, but Gil has one that stands out, which we will no doubt get to witness ...
This wasn't actually mentioned or visible in th episode, right?
Yes it was.
I don't want to play the wiseass but it's "Noble Phantasm"...
Nobel is used for another kind of distinction...
I don't want to play the wiseass but it's "Noble Phantasm"...
Nobel is used for another kind of distinction...
Unless his ghost empowers the weapons :p
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 13:32
I don't want to play the wiseass but it's "Noble Phantasm"...
Nobel is used for another kind of distinction...
I noticed that after I typed it, and I'm normally pretty good about correcting my mistakes ... but I got lazy (not to mention I'm in three heated IM discussions at the same time) :)
Hmm Saber class is way overrated. Archer class is best in fate stay night =P
It's so cute how Gil has a crush on Saber XD He proposes and she say she answered him with a sword, but he still wants her! Don't give up GIl persitence is the key to victory!
Gil: Hmm, your muscles and fighting technique intrigue me. What say you be my woman?
* Saber slashes fiercely at Gil
Gil: I will await your answer in the park.
Unless his ghost empowers the weapons :p
Lol, with that, my imagination is heating up. How about seeing him as a Servant???
But what would be his class? Smartass?
Gil: Hmm, your muscles and fighting technique intrigue me. What say you be my woman?
* Saber slashes fiercely at Gil
Gil: I will await your answer in the park.
Hahaha, nice one... That reminds me of this body builded woman we saw instead of Saber in the bathscene.
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 13:44
Hahaha, nice one... That reminds me of this body builded woman we saw instead of Saber in the bathscene.
*Cringes*
Lol, I don't know ... I picture Gil's idea of proposal more like forcing the ring onto her finger and then hopping straight to the honeymoon.
Deathkillz
2006-05-16, 13:46
Lol, with that, my imagination is heating up. How about seeing him as a Servant???
But what would be his class? Smartass?
Hahaha, nice one... That reminds me of this body builded woman we saw instead of Saber in the bathscene.
i didnt see any muscles on saber...i remember he saying that she is muscular but i didnt see any...or am i missing something here? :heh: besides the thought of saber having manly muscles scare the heck outa me :S unnatural...
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 13:58
i didnt see any muscles on saber...i remember he saying that she is muscular but i didnt see any...or am i missing something here? :heh: besides the thought of saber having manly muscles scare the heck outa me :S unnatural...
PLEASE no one post that image :(
PM it to him or something ... but I can do without visual scarring XD
Well, he can take a look at it if he looks in the image thread. It's kinda ugly :p Judging from Saber's dialogue in ep 15, I hope she's not like that in reality, or I'm gonna tear my eyes out :p
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 15:12
■19話 アンサー
アサシンとの戦いでバラバラになった士郎たち、セイバーは戦いの最中で受けた傷のせいで身動きが取れなくな った、葛木を倒すしか勝算がないと悟った凛は彼を探すために寺の中に潜り込み、一方、なんとか境内に着いた 士郎はそこである男と再会した、それは居る筈のない赤い騎士だった、戸惑いながら、士郎は容赦なく襲い掛か った彼の口からある驚愕の事実を知った、そしてぶつけ合う剣戟と理想の果てにある答えは一体. ..
Translation :-
Episode 19 Answer
The battle with Assassin left Shirou and gang in bits and pieces especially Saber, who is badly wounded and unable to move. Rin, though knowing that she had no chance of defeating Kuzuki, sneaked back into the temple to search for him. On the other hand, Shirou had an unexpected meeting with a man. A knight in red who is not supposed to be there. The man attacked Shirou while Shirou is still in a state of confusion and revealed an astonishing truth. What will be Shirou's answer to this revelation that tested his skills and ideals to the limits ?
Return of Archer ?
Source :-
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/shadowabel/71887351-5750-4324-982F-12A64EED870.jpg
Told you I'm right---these information are fake.
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 15:26
PLEASE no one post that image :(
PM it to him or something ... but I can do without visual scarring XD
The more you resist, the more they come...
And translated too:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2821/fatehaha1nj.jpg
Deathkillz
2006-05-16, 15:55
The more you resist, the more they come...
And translated too:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2821/fatehaha1nj.jpg
HOLY HELL!!! PLZ NO!!! bloody sick bastard whoever thought of that up!! arra!! it burns!!!:(
if it was me i would have thrown my computer out the window...
I'd be in serious need of a naked Tessa after seeing THAT :p (Don't ask why, I'm a Tessa fan. Sousuke would most likely love to see some Kaname skin :naughty:)
Or a good load of Illya pics, like the recent Illya overdose in the Images thread :D
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 16:12
Should have put up a spoiler tag...it's taking up too much space...
lol napl-senpai you're such a lolicon
lol npal-senpai you're such a lolicon
Now, where do you base that claim? :p
By the way, putting it in spoiler tags will still load it. It would be better to just delete the url from the post, since it's on the same page, people will understand which post you meant.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-16, 16:20
Should have put up a spoiler tag...it's taking up too much space...
lol npal-senpai you're such a lolicon
You can still edit it and put it in spoilers.
or put it up on imageshack and link it to the thumbnail.
napl, it might have something to do with that list of girls in your sig :D
Deathkillz
2006-05-16, 16:21
just use spoiler tag it worked for me quoting your pic...btw my brain is still in a state of shock even now...
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 16:29
napl, it might have something to do with that list of girls in your sig :D
All right. Spoiler-tagged it...
I've been paying a lot of attention to napl senpai quite a lot lately, and notice he has high interests in lolis...look at him summoning the loli grail just to gain Illya!
I've been paying a lot of attention to npal senpai quite a lot lately
:cool: Yes, well, I'm available, if you're interested :p :p
and notice he has high interests in lolis...look at him summoning the loli grail just to gain Illya!
What do you mean "just"? :p In the F/SN world, Illya is the only ray of hope in this dark, gloomy world where Arthur's a woman, Archer is dead, Sakura has turned into a dominatrix, Rin's spells translated sound ridiculous and we've run out of budget :p
Illya FTW :love:
KiraDouji
2006-05-16, 16:47
A smarter swordsman will or else slash the knight where they're not protected by the plate armor instead of trying to slash through the armor. A heavy cavalry plate armor weights over a ton...it's not that easy to slash through one even if they're stationary...(not to mention that they're always running on horses, though katana were designed to cut the leg of the horses so they will fall and throw the knight off, killing them instantly)
I have to disagree with your claim that katana were designed to fight calvary because, quite frankly, they weren't. They seldom go past 70cm in length, for one, and Kojiro doesn't weild one in the anime or very often in legend. His weapon of choice was a nodachi, which is 90cm or so and actually used in the way you described. And before you try to correct to "kodachi" that someone else mentioned either in this thread or another, the kodachi was his master's preferred weapon, not his. Yes he learned by way of the kodachi and katana, but his favored weapon was nodachi, it's the one he uses in the anime, and it's the one used to fell calvary.
I feel the need to point out, though, that aside from her breastplate and gauntlets, Saber isn't exactly heavilly armored. So if you're trying to say it'd be easier for Assissin to deal damage through the armor she's wearing rather than the thing the sword was designed to cut through, I agree. I just think we should all get as many facts straight as possible :)
- Kira
I am a little late I fear.
Nether the less, I voted good, because I clicked on the wrong option. I wanted to vote very good...
Overal I liked the episode, just this super power energy like attack of the golden knight was a disapointment. That was so lame... I hoped he could really fight, like Assassin or Saber. Insted I get to see this blinky colorful energy thing...
His voice is bad too. From the pictures I thought he was more of a badass and not an arrogant cocky little teenager.
I think it is a shame that Caster, Assassin and her master are gone, they have been by far the ones I liked most. Especially Assassin. I guess I will read through the thread later, I might find an answer how Saber managed to beat him in the end.
Some questions:
If the grail was destroyed by Saber, why is goldi still here?
If goldi is still here, does this mean his master is still here as well?
Why didn't the rule breaker disapear? It fell to the ground... (why did no one get it...)
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 17:47
I think the rule breaker surviving was maybe just for emotional effect.
And the deal with Gil is that he IS a cocky arrogant badass (don't think he's a teenager, though he certainly looks it) XD
Someone said that Assassin's sword was bent by Saber's attack, so he missed and she got him.
The penultimate questions answer is yes ... and the one before it they'll explain with time.
iamandragon
2006-05-16, 18:01
I am a little late I fear.
Nether the less, I voted good, because I clicked on the wrong option. I wanted to vote very good...
Overal I liked the episode, just this super power energy like attack of the golden knight was a disapointment. That was so lame... I hoped he could really fight, like Assassin or Saber. Insted I get to see this blinky colorful energy thing...
His voice is bad too. From the pictures I thought he was more of a badass and not an arrogant cocky little teenager.
I think it is a shame that Caster, Assassin and her master are gone, they have been by far the ones I liked most. Especially Assassin. I guess I will read through the thread later, I might find an answer how Saber managed to beat him in the end.
Some questions:
If the grail was destroyed by Saber, why is goldi still here?
If goldi is still here, does this mean his master is still here as well?
Why didn't the rule breaker disapear? It fell to the ground... (why did no one get it...)
It's never too late--vote for fate/stay night forever and ever!
Gil has no weapon skill at all...he's always relying on his gameshark/codebreaker/goldfinger and noble phantasms...
Ya I don't really like his attitude in the anime...but no matter, gil is mine.
Answers to your question:
You will find out in next episode
You will find out in next episode
no idea...
DarthAndy
2006-05-16, 22:12
Gilgamesh's gundam spam isn't bad but I'm waiting for episode 21. I hope the animators do a good job with the EX noble phantasm :rolleyes:
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 22:35
Gilgamesh's gundam spam isn't bad but I'm waiting for episode 21. I hope the animators do a good job with the EX noble phantasm :rolleyes:
How do you know they'll show it in episode 21? o_O
How do you know they'll show it in episode 21? o_O
If you think about it - episode 21 makes perfect sense for when we'll see it.
AvatarST
2006-05-16, 22:42
Episode 21's title kinda gives it away...
PhantomX
2006-05-16, 23:03
Maybe someone can pm me the title?
And isn't there 26 eps (lol, I have trouble keeping track of all the anime lengths) ... ? That's what I thought, so I figured that 21 was a little early :\
Rumors persist around the Net that Fate/Stay Night had only 24 episodes. Wish there were more but those two may probably be special (like .hack//SIGN). Just look at ANN, look up Fate/Stay Night, and click on episodes.
Darkside
2006-05-17, 00:44
only 24 eps... and still no lancer... he better do something super heroic or something when he does come back to make up for 16 eps of no screentime >_<
Well.., it seems I arrived a bit late for the discussion regarding this episode; never the less, it has its positive sides..
( that meaning.., I won't have to spoil tag as much :) )
Anyway..
Starting from the begining..
Our last episode left us with a cliff-hanger as how the Saber vs Assassin fight would turn out, same for Kuzuki vs Shirou and Caster regarding Rin and Sakura.
So this in simple words just takes on where the previous left off.
We start off with more scenes of Saber vs Assasin, and at the same time Shirou vs Kuzuki; in which regarding the Saver vs Assassin one I'll have to say..; probably it has been mencioned aswell but.., I had the feeling that it went off very fast.
Despite the fact that in the previous episode they're fight scene was the highlight, it still just seemed like a continuation from they're first encounter on the steps of the Temple at night, not to mencione they still used alot of scenes from there to fill in this fight.
Never the less, the aspect that I mostely regret is that, neither Assassin or Caster where truly given the Time they'd deserve in the anime..
Thus.., in a vert short fight we see the end of a very cool guy and great character.
But still I kind of liked how it turned out.., Assassin's last words where pretty nice.., and I mostely belive he was defeated so easily after all because he was not able to fight at full strenght; since the sunseat was appearing and probably his mana was already very low.
On the other fight in this episode though.., Kuzuki vs Shirou was simply Outstanding !, Very well done animated.., in fact I belive I enjoyed watching it more then I did Gil.., to me this last part of the fight realy was the best of the episode.
And it was something I clearly was not expecting; Shirou is more and MORE starting to handle himself just as good as Archer.., and Rin still hasn't noticed it ! :p
Anyway.., shortly after though, came what I, and I belive most where expecting.., the appearence of The King!
Gil toke the episode by storm.., in my eyes.., a quick appearence, delivered his message, placed Caster in her place and went off..,
Thus leaving all of wanting to see more of him next time ; also, his phrase was simply perfect aswell when he referes to Saber..
"That" belongs to me, The King!
So I guess regarding him, I wasn't dissapointed, we got to see aswell a massive Gate of Babylon, and later on then more important aspects regarding his existence.., clearly he will have a tremendous effect on the up-comming aspects of the story.
Poor Caster though.., as mencioned previously.., her death scene was pretty sad and touching aswell..
Altough as I said before a few lines back.., I belive we should have gotten to see more aspects of her, and also more detailed flashbacks of what happened in her original life which then drove her to take such actions as she did with her original master in this war; not to mencione her full potential at sorceressy was also not shown.
It was still able to give us an in-sight on her relation with Kuzuki though.., and the fact that we saw her die to save him.., even though he already had been wounded and was not showing it as not to make her sacrifice in vain; clearly shows us on how the two realy loved each other.
In the end.. Casters wish was fullfilled.., as she herself said..
Tragicaly.., never the less...
In conclusion though her arc went rather fast.., and we are still left up-in-the-air on aspects like the Rule Breaker and its effect on Saber.., and as why she dropped it in the end..
At this point regarding her arc I belive most would have chosen to have added more content to it.., but allas.. with only 24 episodes.., it would have probably been impossible..
Regarding the rest of the episode, I was pleased at Saber's description of Gil.., as to, now here are the foundations to start the last and final arc of the series.
Clearly it takes the "Fate" path.., and may very well end as such.., never the less though.., I have my hopes to see a bit more of HF regarding Ilya, and UBW regarding Shirou vs Archer.
Ilya though, which we did not see through this entire episode.., altough as shown in the preview of 20's, we will see her grabbing Shirou again :p
That and Saber with a Lion doll :)
Overall the animation was pretty good in this one, and despite the negative aspects I mencioned, overall it was a well acomplished episode; for I belive its postive aspects overcome the negative.
Now.., for the next ones..., Needs more Gil, and more Shirou fights ! :D
only 24 eps... and still no lancer... he better do something super heroic or something when he does come back to make up for 16 eps of no screentime >_<
Trust me on this.., he will definitly show up before the story is done.., my guess is either on episode 21 or above.., but I am certain he will show up and have a tremendous effect on the story.
I just can't say more :)
Erhjegel
2006-05-17, 02:57
I have to disagree with your claim that katana were designed to fight calvary because, quite frankly, they weren't. They seldom go past 70cm in length, for one, and Kojiro doesn't weild one in the anime or very often in legend. His weapon of choice was a nodachi, which is 90cm or so and actually used in the way you described. And before you try to correct to "kodachi" that someone else mentioned either in this thread or another, the kodachi was his master's preferred weapon, not his. Yes he learned by way of the kodachi and katana, but his favored weapon was nodachi, it's the one he uses in the anime, and it's the one used to fell calvary.
I feel the need to point out, though, that aside from her breastplate and gauntlets, Saber isn't exactly heavilly armored. So if you're trying to say it'd be easier for Assissin to deal damage through the armor she's wearing rather than the thing the sword was designed to cut through, I agree. I just think we should all get as many facts straight as possible :)
- Kira
Tachi. What Assassin was using was a tachi. Used to cut off the legs of horses in battle.
And let's not argue about real-world weaponry to the omghax physics of anime.
Also, you can only see the bend of Assassin's sword in two scenes - Right after Assassin blocks Saber's initial slash and comments on it (you'll notice the bend very easily), and right before he pulls off Tsumabe Gaeshi (but not very much). In the scenes in between and after, his sword has magically gotten fixed again.
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kamikazex
2006-05-17, 03:48
epsode 21 is far far away...lol next next week
only 24 eps... and still no lancer... he better do something super heroic or something when he does come back to make up for 16 eps of no screentime >_<
Be fair ^^
Most off the characters up until now have been well made and most of them had a rather short screen time. They show up to kick ass some episodes and then get finished.
Maybe you should be happy Lancer did not get more screen time, because that would mean he would have met his end by now. ;)
Tachi. What Assassin was using was a tachi. Used to cut off the legs of horses in battle.
And let's not argue about real-world weaponry to the omghax physics of anime.
Also, you can only see the bend of Assassin's sword in two scenes - Right after Assassin blocks Saber's initial slash and comments on it (you'll notice the bend very easily), and right before he pulls off Tsumabe Gaeshi (but not very much). In the scenes in between and after, his sword has magically gotten fixed again.
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I agree. I totally agree. Let's forget about real world weaponry and physics. THEY DO NOT APPLY IN ANIME.
And just be sound very smart I want to say that he used an Odachi (or Ôkinaru-Tachi). The Tachi is just about 10 cm longer than a Katana, but his was clearly over that size. And btw, those swords were usally used by the cavalry.
Trust me on this.., he will definitly show up before the story is done.., my guess is either on episode 21 or above.., but I am certain he will show up and have a tremendous effect on the story.
I just can't say more :)
Its common sense that Lancer shall make a return - or do you think he's moved away from Fuyuki to not be in the War? ^^;
aldeayeah
2006-05-17, 09:50
Why didn't the rule breaker disapear? It fell to the ground... (why did no one get it...)
The only logical explanation I can find is that Caster's original master (that dead guy we don't know much about) already owned Rule Breaker and used it in the summoning process.
Just like Rin's pendant, which remained after Archer's death back in ep. 14, or Berserker's sword (which was shattered by Caliburn, so it didn't remain...)
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