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Catgirls
2006-05-15, 11:55
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Xellos-_^
2006-05-15, 13:51
2chan link is out
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Looks like this is the end of the first chapter.
Damn it Erurur had to realese nuregi. They should have just killed him
Looks like we get the bird people next and Hakuro's harem will grow.
I don't recall entirely correctly, but I think Nuwangi dies in the game. Interesting.
EDIT:
Kamyu's idea of cover is rather lacking. LOL.:heh:
EDIT2:
"Omae wa mou shinde iru."
I've been trying to get the newest episode on Share and have DLed two duds so far, all with some gibberish and a voice saying the above line at the end.
I don't suppose there's a way to tell these duds apart from the real thing?
Grrr.
Daniel E.
2006-05-15, 18:22
Kamyu's idea of cover is rather lacking. LOL.:heh:
That scene would make a fine avatar indeed. :D
Omniscient
2006-05-15, 20:48
Episode 07 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/05/15/utawarerumono-07/)
An episode pretty much devoted to fighting (not a bad thing), but also leads to the end of this war. Nuwangi gets to live thanks to Eruru. Maybe he'll come back to fight them again? Inkara is now dead at Benaui's hands, but Hakuoro stopped Benaui from killing himself. I enjoyed watching this, though I winced when I saw them recycling the same battle animations during the episode. Overall pretty well done, with pockets of CG here and there.
Next arc looks to involve Kamyu and Urutori.
KBTKaiser
2006-05-15, 22:24
In the game, Nuwangi is running through a dark forest alone after the defeat, heavily injured. He's ambushed by some thieves(people who were forced to become thieves as a result of Nuwangi's uncle's bad politics, etc.) gets robbed and then beheaded.
Keeping Nuwangi alive might serve a useful purpose in the anime. It sounds like there was some potential to use him more but the game decided to off him at that point
In the game, Nuwangi is running through a dark forest alone after the defeat, heavily injured. He's ambushed by some thieves(people who were forced to become thieves as a result of Nuwangi's uncle's bad politics, etc.) gets robbed and then beheaded.
One of the reasons they behead him is that they think they would get a great bounty on his head because Nuwangi was a top officer in Inkara's army. So in the end, Nuwangi was killed by someone else hoping to live a life of luxury. That's what I call poetic justice. And it's a pity Eruruw didn't slap him and rant him out...
This episode was pretty nice, though I had to chuckle at the CG shots at times. They reminded me too much of Warcraft3 hehe. Can't wait to see the Onkami Yamukai people make their debut :) Looks like they saved the next episode for some relaxation...
Ah, I was mad when they just let Nuwangi go like that >_>; He's so annoying. Wonder what'll happen to him in the anime?
Oh yes, war scenes = CGI D:
I wanna see ep 8 now, Kamyu and Urutori!
Damn it Erurur had to realese nuregi. They should have just killed him
I wonder if her act of releasing Nuwangi will come back to haunt her.. As in a defeated Nuwanky with nothing to lose (having had a BAD fall in pride) coming back to get a lucky shot/blow in battle that kills a favourite, lovable character (possibly that character sacrifices by blocking Eruruu from the blow) and then in turn be killed by a raging mad Eruruu; or Hakuoro. Cliché? Extremely.
I was a bit disappointed with how they handled Nuwangi, I was at least expecting some words between Eruruw and Nuwangi since they were once childhood friends after all. But none of that all, she just gave him the silent treatment and let him wander off on his own. Ah well, I'm looking forward to the next episode, Kamyu's voice sounds nice and almost as cute as Aruruw's. ^^
Xellos-_^
2006-05-16, 10:49
The busty Angel princess are next :D and Hakuro's harem will grow.
Srin Tuar
2006-05-16, 21:09
Wow, I didnt expect bird-furries.
This seems to be an interesting twist.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-16, 21:15
Good episode. shame about the recycled fighting animation.
Can't wait to see how Hakuro fix the country back up. :p
D: Fighting a war, trying to fix the country, it all reminds me of Samurai/Dynasty Warriors :O
Fufufu Benawi kills Mr. Fatty McFATFRO D:
bento-cube
2006-05-17, 08:35
Looking forward to it.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-17, 08:41
Looking forward to it.
you mean you're looking forward to more tailgrab. :p
Is it wing-pulling next ep? :)
Xellos-_^
2006-05-17, 11:44
What is the equvilant of atail grab for a wing girl :p
Taking one of their feathers and sniffing it passionately in front of them might be somewhat embarrassing for them to watch. :p
... into the gutter we go :)
I imagine that stroking feathers or helping them preen is a turn on for the bird folk. (scratching those itchies under the feathers they can't reach)
I will admit not having gotten a good look at one yet... do they have any tail feathers or rudder capability (like featherlets along the hamstring)?
Xellos-_^
2006-05-17, 13:05
... into the gutter we go :)
I imagine that stroking feathers or helping them preen is a turn on for the bird folk. (scratching those itchies under the feathers they can't reach)
I will admit not having gotten a good look at one yet... do they have any tail feathers or rudder capability (like featherlets along the hamstring)?
were we ever out of the gutter :eyebrow: :heh: :p
... into the gutter we go :)
I imagine that stroking feathers or helping them preen is a turn on for the bird folk. (scratching those itchies under the feathers they can't reach)
I will admit not having gotten a good look at one yet... do they have any tail feathers or rudder capability (like featherlets along the hamstring)?
No, I don't believe they have tail feathers.
Actually speaking of rudder capability is redundant since no human-shaped creature with wings should be able to realistically fly without severe changes in anatomy. But I like this show and those characters a lot so I convince myself that they must be using some kind of innate magic power-assisted flight of some kind (like when Kamyu's wings glow purple during the OP). That way I can go to sleep easily at night, or something. :heh:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-17, 17:32
they can bend gravity! Wing altering gravition motor in winged formed! biotechnology at it's highest!!!! OOowwaahahhh!#
:D
ah yes... with the ability to deflect inertia/gravity... then the wings coupled with body position are just fine for getting about in graceful ways :) as I'm sure we're going to get to see :)
It'd be a wing stroke ~(*o*)~
*STROKES*
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-18, 07:37
tail grab wing stroke galore! \(^o^)/
Sure you wanna wing-stroke those guys? Remember how Eruruu pushed Hakuoro? One push/flap of their wings will probably launch you into low orbit. And somehow I don't think they'll be amused :heh:
But.... don't let me burst your bubble of sweet dreams... :p
I was hoping for a scene where Hakuoro names the new country as Tuskuru in her honor. Oh well...
Xellos-_^
2006-05-18, 15:13
Just some random thoughts.
Would you serve fried chicken or any type of fowl to a guest with wings?
And do you guys prefer wings, legs or breast? And no it is not a naughty question :D :p :heh:
Just some random thoughts.
Would you serve fried chicken or any type of fowl to a guest with wings?
And do you guys prefer wings, legs or breast? And no it is not a naughty question :D :p :heh:
I'm pretty sure Kanna was angry enough to eat that rooster...
KBTKaiser
2006-05-18, 16:55
I wouldn't wing stroke these gals until you're on their good side...
They're Mages
Daniel E.
2006-05-18, 17:20
Wow, so much talk about the wing girls, eventhough they have yet to make their official debut.
God knows what is gonna happen when they actually show up. :heh: :heh:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-18, 17:31
lots of wing stroking! yeah! :)
Wow, so much talk about the wing girls, eventhough they have yet to make their official debut.
God knows what is gonna happen when they actually show up. :heh: :heh:
Indeed, I find it funny when there is more talk about the next episode in a thread about this episode. :heh:
bento-cube
2006-05-18, 19:42
*snicker* Looking forward to A LOT of it. One can always hope for more tailgrab. (I have no idea what the equivalent version is for a winged one.)
i can't believe they didn't kill nuwangi :( and after all he did, he deserves death penalty. why did hakouru even consult eruruu for decision. oh well that's too bad. btw, so does this mean that benawi will join hakouru now?
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-18, 20:20
well it just shows he is a compassionate person, who really values the opinions odf the common people, i.e. eruru who they all respect.
it is a powerful message to the people that he will be willing to listen to them and consider there comments seriously. so serious he is will release a vile criminal such as him.
Its part of what makes him a great leader.
:)
yea, i guess so. but that kind of thinking will get him killed someday. but that what makes him a hero of the story ne?
i can't believe they didn't kill nuwangi :( and after all he did, he deserves death penalty. why did hakouru even consult eruruu for decision. oh well that's too bad. btw, so does this mean that benawi will join hakouru now?
Nuwangi and Eruruw grew up together as little children and were childhood friends once, so he wanted to consider her feelings and that's why he gave the choice of his fate to her. In the game they talk first though and Nuwangi seems to finally understand what a fool he has been all this time, but it was already too late...
:O Seems like wing stroke'll be the offical term here XD Neat, I started something lol
But yes, I'm amused to see a wing stroke in action ;o WILL THEY SQUEEK TOO? D:> *the squeek turn on* XD
They will squeek and then accidentally flame you into a heap of dust. :p
Just some random thoughts.
Would you serve fried chicken or any type of fowl to a guest with wings?
And do you guys prefer wings, legs or breast? And no it is not a naughty question
Why not? Unless I had reason to believe that they were remotely related to chickens or fowls. Just because they have wings doesnt really make them birds does it? Erm. You talking about Chicken right? :heh: Breast for me. If you were talking about something else, Mukuru take you. :p
BTW 7's been subbed.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-19, 11:59
furry chicken breast banzai! :D
er...that didn't come out right....
furry chicken breast banzai! :D
er...that didn't come out right....
LOL. Steamed Chicken Breast banzai! Chicken Tonight banzai! bleh. :heh:
Ep 7. Wow. I LOVE the animation they do for the massive battle charges. WOW. Looks like the animation from Medieval Total War; its almost 3D!! Beautiful :D
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/4166/vlcsnap1746208nt.th.png (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1746208nt.png)
Shadows Shadows Shadows..
Wait
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It really is 3D.. coolness. This episode somehow uncannily reminds me of Medieval TW.
I was hoping for a scene where Hakuoro names the new country as Tuskuru in her honor. Oh well...
Eh? Isnt that what happens?
Seriously, I really think that the animation of the battle scenes are vey well done, I especially like the battle that led to Nuwangi's downfall, the smoke, flames and cinders were very real and well done; plus the fighting and cheoreography of the "heroes."
At first I was a bit put off by that map scene that showed them advancing so fast, because I thought it was unrealistic that such a militia-rish band could fight so many battles and not get exhausted; but when I saw the numbers in the assault of the Capital, I finally understood their scale. Its as Hakuoro says; I will not lay siege to a place if I cannot win it. Not a bad leader.
Plot movement was just nice, although I felt that it wasnt good to skip over such a long time period (must have been a few months) would be nice if we journied on their battles together with them; there are alot of possible side-arcs, plus development of characters, so I don't think that would have gotten boring. Anyway alot of things happened in this episode, and that can't be bad.
I'd give it a 9 for excellent.
And lastly...
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Wing-stroke? No. No.
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Wing-stroke? YES YES.
yea, i guess so. but that kind of thinking will get him killed someday. but that what makes him a hero of the story ne?
That kind of thinking will also save him on some days. There are a great variety of would-be enemies and thus there is no perfect attitude to deter all of them. Some would kill him if he did kill Nuwangi. Some would kill him if he didn't kill Nuwangi. You cannot tell what kind of people will become your enemies, so it's useless to say that one is better than the other without trying out a huge variety of contexts.
No need for me to repeat what everyone else has said that his actions boost his Rep/Honour/Fame.
Anyway, CG BATTLES!!! YEAH! Eventually, technology should reach a point where they don't use repeat frames, they just use repeat 3D animation shown from a different angle and against different skins of 'cannon fodder'.
And as with previous eps, it's good that they take the time to show casualties on both sides to illustrate the reality of war, while keeping within Broadcasting Licence Limits (i.e. no excessive gore).
Lol at the old man and young child beating up the downed soldier. Kurou only using fists on the peasants was a nice touch too - no need to kill to keep them at bay. Benawi + Kurou know of high people deserving Honourable Death. Hakuoro follows a different code of Honour though, not letting Benawi depart the country before its end (Benawi's own words: "The people is the country", and the people were not wiped).
That kind of thinking will also save him on some days. There are a great variety of would-be enemies and thus there is no perfect attitude to deter all of them. Some would kill him if he did kill Nuwangi. Some would kill him if he didn't kill Nuwangi. You cannot tell what kind of people will become your enemies, so it's useless to say that one is better than the other without trying out a huge variety of contexts.
Lol at the old man and young child beating up the downed soldier. Kurou only using fists on the peasants was a nice touch too - no need to kill to keep them at bay. Benawi + Kurou know of high people deserving Honourable Death. Hakuoro follows a different code of Honour though, not letting Benawi depart the country before its end (Benawi's own words: "The people is the country", and the people were not wiped).
Does anyone think Nuwangi will change? For the better? I'm asking because he wasnt laughing when he ran off into the mist. Perhaps that jolt from being shown mercy by a girl may make him review his actions.
Personally I still want to see him die.
I lol'ed at that part too. And the part near the end where pleasant had soldier under arm and was administering pain. :D
Kamui4356
2006-05-19, 15:18
Overall a good episode. It did seem a bit rushed, and the cgi wasn't that impressive, though I guess for a tv series that doesn't have an insane budget it was ok. I ended up giving it an 8. Hopefully the battles are over for a while and we can see a lot more of Eruruu in the next few episodes. :) Not to mention I'm curious about the new girls with wings being introduced, even if they aren't quite as cute as Eruruu. :heh:
Does anyone think Nuwangi will change? For the better? I'm asking because he wasnt laughing when he ran off into the mist. Perhaps that jolt from being shown mercy by a girl may make him review his actions.
Personally I still want to see him die.
Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk. 'Showing Mercy' is the archetypical tactic for such brutally cruel treatment. It's harder because you have to be extra confident you'll succeed too.
Nyheheh, worded that slightly oddly to emphasise it ^^
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-19, 17:13
Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk.^^
what th-... :twitch: .....
*slowly creeps away from the Brainwashing expert*
Wreck their personality? Mental torture? Nonsense, that is soooo tame. You've got to do it using tentacle monsters! Anyone can be broken with a sufficient number and/or length of tentacles!! And then rebuild their personality (ie mindless sex toy). :p
Ehem, that aside,
Plot movement was just nice, although I felt that it wasnt good to skip over such a long time period (must have been a few months) would be nice if we journied on their battles together with them;
There's a lot more of Utawarerumono to cover. The studio aren't moving fast cause they want to but because they have to. ;)
Sorrow-K
2006-05-19, 18:34
I wasn't a huge fan of the CG battle scenes. It worked for the distant aerial shots, but when it got closer it didn't look that great. At least it wasn't as terrible as School Rumble's CG P.E. festival battle scene... but I'll chalk that up as a sign that the technology is improving.
I'm really liking the way the story is progressing. They're doing a good job of showing as much as they can/need to, but they're still going at a reasonably brisk pace. The characters to date have been fairly simple, but all their motivations have been well explained, so their actions are (mostly) believable. It's kinda like the anti-F/SN in those respects </another cheap shot at F/SN>
I didn't have a single problem with Newangi's release. Given Eruru's character, it's totally believable that she take pity on him. Whether or not he dies in the anime isn't a major plot point, IMO. I think it's fairly safe to say he's been relegated to the sideline, and won't have any sort of huge impact on the story from here on out.Very fitting that they named the new country after Tusukuru. But, we still haven't been shown explicitly who the new Emperor is. Inevitably it'll be shown in the next episode, but if it is Hakuoro, I must admit I have a little bit of trouble swallowing that. He was reluctant enough to lead the town after Tusukuru's death, and, even though the role of military leader seems to fit him very well, head-of-state doesn't. He seems like the sort of person that'd pass that job to someone else.Good stuff. I'm highly enjoying this. I think this sort of anime shows what a visual novel-to-anime conversion can do when it has an interesting story that's actually told well and coherently.
Very fitting that they named the new country after Tusukuru. But, we still haven't been shown explicitly who the new Emperor is. Inevitably it'll be shown in the next episode, but if it is Hakuoro, I must admit I have a little bit of trouble swallowing that. He was reluctant enough to lead the town after Tusukuru's death, and, even though the role of military leader seems to fit him very well, head-of-state doesn't. He seems like the sort of person that'd pass that job to someone else.If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).
I don't think he'll want the position of Emperor, but he's the best man for the job so he'll be kinda forced into the position.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-19, 19:25
If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).
There is no Lui bei. WHo is he going to pass the job to anyway? Benai is the next best guy for the job but he probably doesn't want it either.
his choice is to either take the job as emperor or like the country slide into civil war with warlord fighting for the job.
I really loved the music for episode seven - each piece used really went with whats was going on, right down to the style of fights that we got to see. The mini 3D parts used in the birds eye view part of the episode were kinda crazy.. i hope its not something that'll appear in episodes to come.
Benawi killed the 80's disco king, i'm so glad he did - i wouldn't have been happy if it was anyone else. & i love the fact that Kurou and Benawi are going to stay in the show, though you could kinda tell it was going to happen.. here's hoping we eventually get to see Benawi fight at 100%. ^^
Nexted episode look to be really cute, and oh yeah - Wings! <3
From battle to battle, it all went rather fast... Too fast. Would have liked to see some more interaction, like with any PoWs they might have captured before they reached the emperor. For some reason, none of the battles in the series so far really managed to make much of an impression on me, even the rematch vs Benawi didn't. Ohwell, hopefully the character interactions will make up for it, since at this point I'm not interested in seeing any more battles if it's more of the same. Pretty birds (ooo, double meaning) are coming!
Killing such scum is the easy option. More satisfying I say to wreck their personality and wrack mental torture upon them, then rebuild them as decent folk. 'Showing Mercy' is the archetypical tactic for such brutally cruel treatment. It's harder because you have to be extra confident you'll succeed too.
Nyheheh, worded that slightly oddly to emphasise it ^^
Great. Now I want him to be crushed, stripped of all self-respect and dignity, made pitiable, suffer horribly and then die slowly. :heh: J/k j/k. Don't run, Oni-GTO!!
Anyhow he's definitely crushed, no doubt about that. But I wonder if that will make him good, or just go worse and kill more people. Because the way I see it, if Nuwangi does release more bloodshed, Eruruu will partially be responsible :uhoh:
I think it's fairly safe to say he's been relegated to the sideline, and won't have any sort of huge impact on the story from here on out.
I wouldn't be too sure.. Characters disappearing into the fog never stay in the fog. :heh:
Daniel E.
2006-05-19, 23:05
I may be wrong, but at the end of this episode, I got the impression that Hakuoro will try to force the position of Emperor on Benawi.
That part about "You must take responsability" really send that message to me.
On the preview for the next episode.....
They seem to become close friends quite fast. It's almost as if they knew each other already. :confused:
EDIT:
Ooops, Hakuoro actually says "You have an obligation"
Oh well, different line same message.
They seem to become close friends quite fast. It's almost as if they knew each other already. :confused:
Kamyu is a very outgoing type of person, as it will be apparent soon I'm sure. People can make friends pretty fast in real life too.
What I'm hoping to find out as the series progresses, is why
Kamyu and that winged girl with the halo at the end of the OP are the only winged people with black wings? (as far as I can tell game CG-wise. None of the other winged people have black wings) Not to mention they have nearly the same hair color.
I think there's a connection, or at least a common origin. Kamyu may also be adopted, which could add weight to the theory
EDIT:
I may be wrong, but at the end of this episode, I got the impression that Hakuoro will try to force the position of Emperor on Benawi.
Hakuoro doesn't come off as the kind of person who'd willingly force anything on anyone (forcing death on Sasante aside).
Daniel E.
2006-05-19, 23:19
Kamyu is a very outgoing type of person, as it will be apparent soon I'm sure. People can make friends pretty fast in real life too.
So true. :)
Hakuoro doesn't come off as the kind of person who'd willingly force anything on anyone (forcing death on Sasante aside).
He just forced Benawi to live. Why not force him to become the emperor as well?
Of course, I haven't played the game. This is just a guess on my behalf.
I actually enjoyed the cgi battle (though I guess I was probably a little overhyped, I always enjoy the big set piece battles in movies like LotR, Braveheart, Gladiator, etc.)
I was hoping for a scene where Hakuoro names the new country as Tuskuru in her honor. Oh well...
Eh? Isnt that what happens?
No, there is no explicit scene showing Hakuoro naming the country. You only hear it indirectly in Munto's report to Waabe.
If I'm to believe Hakuoro's a homage/reference to Zhuge-Liang (what is the English name of that saga... Romance of the Three Kingdoms? Sango?) then he wouldn't place himself as Emperor. He'd be Head Strategist and General Affairs Advisor (I doubt he could go back to being an ordinary villager any time soon - as sadly that'd be irresponsible).
The thing here is that Zhuge Liang was primarily a strategist, while Liu Bei was the one supplying the charisma and thus is able to rule. Hakuoro is pretty much loved/respected by everyone, which is why there's pretty much no choice in the matter.
He just forced Benawi to live. Why not force him to become the emperor as well?
Consider what was being said. Hakuoro was basically telling Benawi to not throw away his life. That's different from telling someone they have to become emperor.
And Hakuoro is still the best person for the job.
For all we know, Hakuoro may have been an emperor in his "past life" and he has definitely shown good leadership skills. Then again, Benawi has had the experience as samurai leader and working closely with the previous emperor; as well as having the morals and people-power ideals, and the courage to stick to his ideals, which may also make him a pretty good emperor.
No, there is no explicit scene showing Hakuoro naming the country. You only hear it indirectly in Munto's report to Waabe.
oic. a scene like that would feel cheesy to me :heh: ahwell.
Daniel E.
2006-05-20, 02:34
Consider what was being said. Hakuoro was basically telling Benawi to not throw away his life. That's different from telling someone they have to become emperor.
This could be true; Still, I think it's actually far more complicated than just that.
Something like:
Dont be a coward that uses suicide as a means to escape. You have to see this through to the end and take responsability for your actions.
And Hakuoro is still the best person for the job.
How much do we know about Hakuoro anyway?
For all we know, Hakuoro may have been an emperor in his "past life" and he has definitely shown good leadership skills. Then again, Benawi has had the experience as samurai leader and working closely with the previous emperor; as well as having the morals and people-power ideals, and the courage to stick to his ideals, which may also make him a pretty good emperor.
Yes, both have their own merits for becoming rulers; Wich is the reason as to why I am hoping for a little bit of drama over the taking of power, and not just the obvious path of picking the Hero.
Yet another Very Good episode this week; I have to say, judging by the last episodes up until this one, this series can only become better and better if this pace is continued.
Much like everyone I also enjoyed the battle scenes, I never expected them to place CG in them, but they way they did it was outstanding.., CG in my eyes when correctly applied can realy emphasise a scene, as such happens in these large scale battle ones.
That beeing said, and also regarding the 1 on 1 scenes like Oboro vs Benawi, I recon they where all well done aswell.
I have yet to see a fight scene in this anime where I have been dissapointed, even though some that past have been short.
Regarding the story now.., as we all saw, I belive this to be a "conclusion" episode, as in the conclusion of the first arc; or in other words.., the begining of the story.
Finaly Inkara has been defeated and the war for the country has come to an end; thus moving now into a larger plot.
With Tusukuru's-sama death the rebellion started, and its end now came with the dedication of the country's name to her..; altough.., having started a war to overcome the rulership of a country has its consequences.., as we are seen.., news of this deed has reached other places.
Thus.., from now on as we could see.., other characters and aspects will start to get involved.
Regarding the characters now..
For Benawi :
I wasn't surprised to say the least when Benawi killed the emperor, altough at the begining I would have said he would have done so for other reasons; rather then at the begining making him see that it would be best for him to take his own life as in to die with honour.
Never the less.. Inkara would rather flee then do as such.., so.., Benawi decided himself as in to store the honour to this poor-escuse for an emperor, to slay him himself.
Benawi was also about to take his own life in the end.., which I above all found it to be a geasture of extreme devotion for his ideals.
His character is beeing developed in a most interesting way.., as we saw.., he would have given his life for this un-worthy cause, just because he belived it do be the best honorable thing to do.
I wonder now, what will happen.., if he is the chosen Emperor or not.., either way it is safe to assume that he has sided with Hakuoro.
For Hakuoro :
Yet another episode where we saw the great skills as a war tactician by part of Hakuoro.., thus having finaly succeeded in his goal to overthrow the Emperor and make this a just country.
I belive we also saw a bigger improvement in his fighting skills, for he stod his ground Very well vs Benawi; altough the same can be said about Oboro aswell.
Never the less.., judging by the up-comming preview of the next episodes.., I am sure that Hakuoro will not have much rest, if he has any all..; despite this war having come to an end.., much larger implications now will surely lie on his shoulders as consequence..
For Nuwangi :
Well, he was never much of a fighter so.., to be said that he was captured with ease is well put.., never the less I belive he will have a larger implication on the story to come.
It was only natural that Eruruu decided to release him.., once Hakuoro saw that Eruruu was the one who knew him best thus deciding his fate in her hands, I never once belived she would kill him.
As mencioned before, Eruruu and Nuwangi where very good friend when they where young.., and despite him now having "fallen from grace" sort of speak.., I'm sure she still belives that there is good in him within.
Nuwangi also shows to us a bit of what I just said.., when he is captured.., his words are realy of someone who I belive "has lost his way", and.., even though acknologing it.., its too late to turn back.
Altough the geasture by part of Eruruu may yet change it, or so I hope.
In conclusion I enjoyed this episode very much, and I honestly can't wait for the next, specialy because.., more new characters will appear :)
I gaved it a 9
Had another look at the battle scenes, but yet again I don't quite understand why people liked them. They didn't excite me, I felt no tension whatsoever, and regularly the fighting movements looked awkward to me. And some of the CG just looked plain silly.
Fortunately I liked the character interaction. I was a bit disappointed that Nuwangi didn't simply get killed at the battle scene, and was surprised that Eruru opted to release him. And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.
Benawi's actions were understandable I guess, he made one last effort to protect the country he served and then put an end to it with his own hands once it was clear it was all over. Ofcourse Hakuoro wouldn't let him end his own life though, but I'm curious what he said to Benawi concerning living with disgrace.
Personally I'm not expecting them to appoint an emperor, but create some other kind of government. A council with a couple of special positions for people like Hakuoro perhaps. Next episode the real plot starts?
bento-cube
2006-05-20, 07:17
Looked like something out of Stronghold 2, haha. But I still enjoy it nonetheless, and I'm interested in seeing how they'll develop the anime from the game.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-20, 07:51
Fortunately I liked the character interaction. I was a bit disappointed that Nuwangi didn't simply get killed at the battle scene, and was surprised that Eruru opted to release him. And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.
plus she's family to Hakuro ;)
RunningTARGET
2006-05-20, 07:57
Even if Nuwangi was set free, it doesnt bode well for him. Even after he was set free and had a change of heart, he's got a great deal of enemies who still want his head. Unless he goes into hidding.
Benawi being up for emperor doesn't bode well for him either. Being the once samuri learder of the previous emperor isnt quite the refference the poeple are looking for in a new leader, even if Benawi knows justice. Even so if Hakouro said benawi makes a good emperor the people would take it as so, cause Hakouro is always right! The poeple are suckers for him.
I just dont see it as to why. I dont get it. How can a solitary person who has no name, looks different like the rest of them, has no recolection of his past and weres a mask he cant take off to boot be so trust worthy? Its only been months (to my guess) since the people got to know him and his allready capable of being an emperor of a new country, people would even give their lives for him if they need to. He has charisma +20! :twitch:
plus she's family to Hakuro ;)
This also shows another example.
He has charisma +20! :twitch:
I belive that is quite a possibility ^^
Furudanuki
2006-05-20, 09:47
The emperor is dead, the rebellion has succeeded, and Hakuoru and company are in charge of the country now. The big question, of course, is can they hold on to what they have won? Judging from what the leader of the wing-people said, this is only the latest of many countries that have fallen/been overthrown. So there will surely be larger - and more competent - challenges looming on the horizon. I also found it extremely interesting to see the wing-people's leader react the way he did when he heard that the country would be named "Tusukuru". Did he actually know her somehow? Or could that name carry some other connotation that we are not yet aware of? I'm looking forward to learning the answers. I do hope that the series takes a few episodes to catch its breath and allow for some character interaction and development before starting the next action arc. That sort of information is what causes me to care about (or despise) characters in a series, and makes it all the more interesting when things happen to them later.
There were flaws and some less-than-impressive CG, but this was still another good episode in what is shaping up to be a very good series. I'm hooked.
LOL. Steamed Chicken Breast banzai! Chicken Tonight banzai! bleh. :heh:
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Wing-stroke? YES YES.
Based on the two winged girls we have seen thus far, I have formed a hypothesis that they are able to fly due to lighter-than-air gas contained in two large chambers situated in the pectoral region of their bodies. I can't think of any other reason why a flying creature would have something that creates so much aerodynamic drag. ;)
Edit - fix stupid spelling error :heh:
Daniel E.
2006-05-20, 09:56
He has charisma +20!
Make that +40 !!
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if all the little girls in the country were to call him "daddy" from now on. :heh: :heh:
Had another look at the battle scenes, but yet again I don't quite understand why people liked them. They didn't excite me, I felt no tension whatsoever, and regularly the fighting movements looked awkward to me. And some of the CG just looked plain silly.
And even more so that her decision was accepted so easily. Thought there would've been some grumbling at least. I know she would never have him killed, so was expecting the jail option. The fact that she got to choose his fate and it was accepted so easily, shows that they have alot of respect for her.
The CG did excite me because I liked the fluid movement of the soldiers as a body; hell I just can't say no to CG in an Anime. Being as Pixar-nized as I am, one does crave for 3D (or semi-3D) once in a while.
I thought the same, but there was some muttering around her; not suprising, some may have lost friends or family to him. As for their respect for her, I don't know if they notice Eruruu's closeness to (and yearning for) Hakuoro; if they do, then she's almost a queen or empress to them. But they must, since they probably hear whispered stories (maybe rumors) "she's the one that nursed our great leader back to health" - even as close as family, as Onizuka-GTO said.
I do hope that the series takes a few episodes to catch its breath and allow for some character interaction and development before starting the next action arc. That sort of information is what causes me to care about (or despise) characters in a series, and makes it all the more interesting when things happen to them later.
I really really want that too. I feel this has been pretty short on character interaction/development. There was some, but it seemed.. superficial at best.
Based on the two winged girls we have seen thus far, I have formed a hypothesis that they are able to fly due to lighter-than-air gas contained in two large chambers situated in the pectoral region of their bodies. I can't think of any other reason why a flying creature would have something that creates so much aerodynamic drag.
Large chambers eh? I got to agree. :heh: would they happen to be inflatable? :eyespin: Hee sorry, couldn't resist.
KaneDragon
2006-05-20, 13:24
Even if Nuwangi was set free, it doesnt bode well for him. Even after he was set free and had a change of heart, he's got a great deal of enemies who still want his head. Unless he goes into hidding.
Benawi being up for emperor doesn't bode well for him either. Being the once samuri learder of the previous emperor isnt quite the refference the poeple are looking for in a new leader, even if Benawi knows justice. Even so if Hakouro said benawi makes a good emperor the people would take it as so, cause Hakouro is always right! The poeple are suckers for him.
I just dont see it as to why. I dont get it. How can a solitary person who has no name, looks different like the rest of them, has no recolection of his past and weres a mask he cant take off to boot be so trust worthy? Its only been months (to my guess) since the people got to know him and his allready capable of being an emperor of a new country, people would even give their lives for him if they need to. He has charisma +20! :twitch:
This also shows another example.
Quoted in its entirety for truth. I require more angst about Hakouro's forgotten past. If he were the God of Chaos or something, his clones being spread out across the land to sow rebellion and... um... chaos... that would be fine, too. :eyespin:
so does this mean that hakouro is now the emperor or just a leader of the country?
oic. a scene like that would feel cheesy to me :heh: ahwell.
Well, if they made it as part of a elegy to Tusukur with some flashbacks and good music, I think it would've come out very well.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-20, 19:37
so does this mean that hakouro is now the emperor or just a leader of the country?
no. he's just an..er... an er military advisor....yeah..... >.>
The emperor's fortress, last hurrah, final battle. Checkmate. But man, what an ugly place to put an wood-like fortress. High ground behind, moat to the front & sides, and forest surrounding everywhere. Good battles overall though.
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The emperor is dead, the rebellion has succeeded, and Hakuoru and company are in charge of the country now. The big question, of course, is can they hold on to what they have won? Judging from what the leader of the wing-people said, this is only the latest of many countries that have fallen/been overthrown. So there will surely be larger - and more competent - challenges looming on the horizon. I also found it extremely interesting to see the wing-people's leader react the way he did when he heard that the country would be named "Tusukuru". Did he actually know her somehow? Or could that name carry some other connotation that we are not yet aware of? I'm looking forward to learning the answers. I do hope that the series takes a few episodes to catch its breath and allow for some character interaction and development before starting the next action arc. That sort of information is what causes me to care about (or despise) characters in a series, and makes it all the more interesting when things happen to them later.
Ah, almost forgot about that... I doubt there's a direct connection between this country having fallen (what was the old name, anyway?) and others. My guess is some large powerhungry country is trying to expand its territory and taking over other countries. Which means that sooner or later they'll be gunning for Tusukuru and the wing-people country (which already seems involved). Tusukuru and wing-country starting an alliance is not unlikely if that's the case. Although I have no idea why the name Tusukuru would startle him that much, perhaps granny was pretty notorious in her younger years? The wing-people leader seems old enough, it's possible he knew her in the past.
I want to know where this winged-people country is, and what relation do they have to the rest of the "world." Speaking of which, it'll be nice to have a sense of the rest of the world, like the other countries, their tech level, species etc etc. All we have seen so far is Hakuoro's country.
I want to know where this winged-people country is, and what relation do they have to the rest of the "world." Speaking of which, it'll be nice to have a sense of the rest of the world, like the other countries, their tech level, species etc etc. All we have seen so far is Hakuoro's country.
It'll probably be explained to Hakuoro in the next episode anyway, so sit tight.
The emperor's fortress, last hurrah, final battle. Checkmate. But man, what an ugly place to put an wood-like fortress. High ground behind, moat to the front & sides, and forest surrounding everywhere. Good battles overall though.
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They don't pick the place to build a fortress because of how beautiful it is..... Remember, a guy like the emperor would incur a lot of displeasure from the people, and there's the chance of a rebellion, so obviously, for the best success of winning, the base must be in a good strategic location. Too bad for him Hakuoro won.:heh:
I want to know where this winged-people country is, and what relation do they have to the rest of the "world." Speaking of which, it'll be nice to have a sense of the rest of the world, like the other countries, their tech level, species etc etc. All we have seen so far is Hakuoro's country.
Well, regarding this, ALOT is still left in the open.., we do not even know how far they realy are in terms of an important community in the world; what I am saying is.., the degree of importance relatively at each country has yet to been shown to us.
Never the less.., this new one (now created by Hakuoro and the rebellion) surely has its significance, otherwhise the king of the winged-people country would not have shown such interest towards it.
Altough.., I am also wondering on how and where he reconized the name.., it is possible that he had met before Tusukuru-sama in person himself.
Regarding the Emperor's fortress.., I belive that is the same fortress that we see in the OP.., so I belive it has some relative importance in the up-comming arcs..; as in.. where surely some important things will happen.
Its possible that other country's might then try to place a siege on it.., but like previously mencioned, its landspace is pretty good in what refers to a strategic location.
Or so I think ^^
:p
Tiberium Wolf
2006-05-21, 06:01
They don't pick the place to build a fortress because of how beautiful it is..... Remember, a guy like the emperor would incur a lot of displeasure from the people, and there's the chance of a rebellion, so obviously, for the best success of winning, the base must be in a good strategic location. Too bad for him Hakuoro won.:heh:
I dont think that was a good strategic location... specially the highground from behind. If you don't control that area then the fortress will just be bombed from above.
Well... a wood fortress is weird already!
I dont think that was a good strategic location... specially the highground from behind. If you don't control that area then the fortress will just be bombed from above.
Well... a wood fortress is weird already!
I was about to comment on that :p :) Eh, TW's right, theres high ground directly behind the Fortress, and as far as I can see, not much of a margin between the wall and the cliff. People can parasail down or something. Notice too the tall Tower:
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Its almost on level with the high ground. Not good. Means a direct shot for snipers.. :heh:
Regarding the Emperor's fortress.., I belive that is the same fortress that we see in the OP.., so I belive it has some relative importance in the up-comming arcs..; as in.. where surely some important things will happen.
I think so too, but it looked so much cooler in the OP!! With the angel and all :)
Well I'm really looking forward to the next few eps where the story world will be expanded and hopefully, some character development take place.
RunningTARGET
2006-05-21, 07:19
All we have seen so far is Hakuoro's country.
His country now is it? I think his charisma level is higher than I thought, even we are starting to get affected by it.
The winged leader would properbly want one of his daughters to give their hand in marriage to him and getting a massive alliance in the process, hakuoro has got it made.
Hakouro: " Damn i'm doing good" ;)
Angel girl at the end of the op. most likely knows Hakuoro's true identity, Most likely the one that calmed him down to what ever he was, if he was something other than human to beging with. Well he seems to have alot of knowledge, he could had been a scientist in his past and properbly one of his experiments went wrong, but whats with the angel girl? Errrr... Do we have a future/speculation thread?
Daniel E.
2006-05-21, 10:28
His country now is it? I think his charisma level is higher than I thought, even we are starting to get affected by it.
The winged leader would properbly want one of his daughters to give their hand in marriage to him and getting a massive alliance in the process, hakuoro has got it made.
Hakouro: " Damn i'm doing good" ;)
Told you so. :heh: :heh: :heh:
He has a charisma +20
Make that +40 !!
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if all the little girls in the country were to call him "daddy" from now on.
Maybe Hakuoro was a pimp before losing his memory. :heh: :p
Make that +40 !!
Let me get my Tin Foil Hat. :heh: Who would have known it would come in handy for Utawarerumono too.
This has become one of my best episodes packed in action and battle drama.
The far away shots rendered of CG were marvelous, and the movie quality of the soundtrack keeps on to amaze me.
Inkara's doomed fate was already foretold. Nuwangi is just as doomed as well, if it weren't for Eruruu's will to set him off free.
The emperor never did care for the people. He set his interests above anything else. Inkara was conceited never to become a supportive leader who motivates and places his service to the country.
Hakuoro has demonstrated to be a well being leader that prioritizes the needs and welfare of the country. He lives for the people, and the people won't let him die. He motivates, he teaches, he's not conceited, he knows how to measure the enemie's forces. He knows the limitations of those who support him. He has proved how to divide and conquer never losing the comunion spirit between his people that have grown to trust him. He gives security and he's always there.
Which in turn spells the end for Inkara and Nuwangi who just sacrifice as they see fit through means of power alone. They're narrow-minded about tactical skills, organization, and planning; a burden that heavily resented on Benawi and Korou, as they never could get proper support from their leader.
Of course, Hakuoro's not without his faults either. As he becomes more involved and in contact for the need of the people, he grows more distanced and missing far away from both Eruruu and Aruruu's grasp.
It could foretell later on that Hakuoro's negligence will cost him either Eruruu and Aruruu in a future war, but it is too early to think about it. However, since the previous government has been overthrown, and the country needs to stabilize, Hakuoro again will have to distance from the girls in order to work for the restoration of the newly, reformed country: Tusukuru.
Why Eruruu spares Nuwangi, though he's a despicable bastard?
I come to think because since both grew together in their childhood Eruruu until now regards him as the friend she once knew, but now he has gone astray. I interpret that it was Eruruu's last will or gift for his friend to live on, but she makes him realize that her people will no longer allow him back to the country.
Why Hakuoro prevents Benawi's fate?
Benawi is also concerned about the people, though he unfortunately haD a despicable master who gave sh** for the country.
Hakuoro sees on Benawi an elite swordsman and fine tactical leader. Another functionary who holds responsibilites and can represent the voice of the people. A man of word that is required to witness the prosperity of the country.
Benawi was able to exhaust Hakuoro on one-to-one combat, and not even putting much effort. He's calm and collected at fighting and only explodes when an opening shows up to take advantage on.
It will be interesting to witness Hakuoro and his people confronting other nations whose leaders know how to guide and organize their people because they too care for their welfare, just like the same manner that Hakuoro and his people do.
The winged people.
The King, Haruyankuru, is appalled hearing 'Tusukuru' is the new name of the country that was freed from Inkara.
Obviously, Haruyankuru would have known and met the late Tusukuru in the past.
As from the next episode's preview, the winged people look to be a peace-seeking race, but looks can be deceiving.
The winged people.
The King, Haruyankuru, is appalled hearing 'Tusukuru' is the new name of the country that was freed from Inkara.
Obviously, Haruyankuru would have known and met the late Tusukuru in the past.
As from the next episode's preview, the winged people look to be a peace-seeking race, but looks can be deceiving.
"Appalled" wouldn't be the word I'd use. We don't know their relationship yet, so surprised or shocked would be better.
Haruyankuru is not a name, it's a title. The Q&A thread answers this, I believe. It's sort of like "High Priest" or such.
A very good episode, indeed. A gave an 8.
Could be 10, but they used bad CGs (-1) and the Nuwangi scene was insatisfatory (-1).
it's a shame they didn't put all the scene between Eruru and Nuwangi, making her just give a cold treatment instead. Her reasonable made him realize just how all he did was useless and stupid. Of course, i miss his death scene, too.
On a side note, anyone here noted, at the very end of this episode, how Benawi was SMILING (*Shock!!*) for seeing how everything was changing? Probably he has high hopes in Hakuoro & cia. :)
Next episode looks to be very funny. I can't wait to see. ;)
thundrakkon
2006-05-23, 17:05
Why Eruruu spares Nuwangi, though he's a despicable bastard?
Eruruu is a healer/doctor. Doctors, thoeretically, are supposed to want to save lives. As far as not throwing him in prison, I would think it has to do with what you stated, that they are childhood friends. Otherwise, she didn't really want to waste her cooking for his prison food. :p
I bet that Nuwangi will one day take a shot for Eruruu, thus giving his life for someone that gave him another chance at life. If Nuwangi was still a bastard, he would have returned to the fortress and remain as Samurai leader.
I had prefered to see the game version for the confrontation between Eruruu and the captured Nuwangi. There she make him realize the error of his ways.
This part was taken from the game summary of UTAWARERUMONO, covering the part of episode 07. Has massive spoilers. Read at your own risk:
They capture Nuwangi and bring him into the city. Nuwangi asks about his army, and Teoro says in the end they all deserted him. Nuwangi starts laughing, and tells them to kill him. Oboro unsheathes his blades and tells Nuwangi to prepare himself, and then Hakuoro tells him to stop.
Eruruu comes forward. Nuwangi tells her to go ahead and laugh at him, since she has a grudge against him over her grandmother. She hits him and calls him an idiot, and asks why he doesn't understand. She said that things like beautiful clothes, fancy ornaments, and a luxerious life were not things necessary for her. Even if they are poor it is good, that everyone lives together happily. She asks if he has completely forgotten those times in the past, and says that the clumsy, unsophisticated, and gentle Nuwangi of back then, she liked. She starts crying, and says he really is a fool.
Nuwangi says he only wants to be with her, and see her happiness. She says now, there is no happiness. He asks what he can do. She is silent for a moment, then comes forward and unties him. She says there is no good in holding resentment, and doesn't not want to have a grudge. He looks at her silently, and she says goodbye.
~~~~~
That night, Nuwangi is traveling alone outside of the village, thinking about what
happened. He says to himself that he is going to request a stop put to this war, and do what he can to stop it, because that is the least he can do for her. Then an arrow comes out of the darkness and strikes him, and he falls.
A voice says that it looks like they have found a rare jewel. Another voice says not to think like that, they only want the thing taken from them returned. The first voice says talk is idle, and to help strip him or they'll decrease the share. The second person notes that he is still alive, and then the first person recognizes him as the Omutsuikeru general, and that his neck probably has a big reward on it with the rebel army, and then they can say goodbye to their current life.
Nuwangi starts to come too, murmuring "Eruruu...", when he is beheaded by the strangers.
The most interesting is: Nuwangi lived searching luxury... and now he died because someone was searching for luxury too. Talking about poetic justice. ;)
Very fitting last words, too.
Sinestra
2006-05-24, 19:55
good episode i liked seeing all the outlining villages come together for a common goal. it just goes to show never underestimate your enemy even if they are just farmers. A person who is despreate and fighting for a cause combined with good leadership can be very deadly. i would have liked to have seen somemore interaction between the charcters
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