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What?! No eyes!? They left out the most scariest part out of Watanagashi!! Oh well, I guess I'll have to watch this myself tomorrow.
Freakman
2006-05-16, 15:21
The face of Mion when she was shaking that ladder looked very weird. Which made it come out as pathetic instead of scary.
Doh, as you said, no eyes.
Shion(?)'s laugh at the end was very well done though, and so was the close up on Keiichi's eye + sudden tonality.
Well, pretty good adaptation anyway. I really wonder if they intend on ending Watanagashi on next week, seems like a lot of things to cover in 20 minutes... but by now they're used to rushing things :D
Looking forward to next week :3
Just from those screencaps, I gagged at Mion's face at the ladder.
Is that supposed to...... be scary? lol :heh: Reminded me of something you'd see in Dokuro-chan
I look forward to having more fun trying to guess who's who in this ep. :)
Mumumumu.... Mixed feelings for this episode.
I'll forgo highlights this time and go straight to the comments instead:
To begin with, most of the episode itself actually came out really nicely, they did a very good job building up a very tense and frightening atmosphere, from the subtle hint that something happened to Rika just before Keiichi found her,
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to Rika's "neko-san" metaphors used to describe all the people involved in the equipment chamber break-in,
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to the phone conversations between Keiichi and Shion, (especially that final phone conversation),
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there were plenty of "mystery thrill factors" in the episode to glue the viewers to their chairs.
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On top of that, Rena finally got a chance to be active in this episode again (yay), showing her gentleness and kindness towards Keiichi when he was down,
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and also showing off her incredible sense of perception (important) from the clues that she was able to find in Rika and Satoko's house,
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as well as coming up with a sharp hypothesis of what might have happened,
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(that, and the shower scene :heh: )
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Also, notice how this is probably the first time where Keiichi and Rena was able to have a normal and calm conversation about something serious? ^^;
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Now, the problem... yes, that ladder scene...
It started off alright,
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Mion's face was pretty scary, but that's where they should've stopped.
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The game never mentioned anything about Mion's face becoming a freakin' human play-dough! It's freaky, yes, but not in a "holy shit that's scary!" way, but more like a "eww, what the hell is this?" kind of way.
The biggest sin is the fact that the lip-sync for the scene is totally off. The movement of Mion's mouth wasn't able to keep up with her speedy speech at all.
Also, the "wind effect" from the ladder shaking was completely unnecessary.
While I'm at it, same goes for the excessive higurashi (cicada) crys during Keiichi and Oishi's talk inside the car. The cries swell everytime something "big" was revealed, and after the second or third time, the effect really cheapens the atmosphere.
Really, it's a nice episode, but a few things just messed it up a little too much for me.
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Now, for next episode,
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Since words like "blood of demon", "dark room", "hammer", "long nail" appeared, as well as phrases like "no movement in front of Sonozaki residence". I'm guessing that they're indeed going to finish Watanagashi off next week.
Very chilling episode (9/10). But i'm really confused now. Damn Oishi and his confusing talk with Keichi. Why he used the word "shisou" in the context of Shion???
It is possible that Shion does not exist???
:confused: Big question marks dancing around my head in this moment. :confused:
Very chilling episode (9/10). But i'm really confused now. Damn Oishi and his confusing talk with Keichi. Why he used the word "shisou" in the context of Shion???
It is possible that Shion does not exist???
:confused: Big question marks dancing around my head in this moment. :confused:
I don't get what you mean. shissou 失踪 means "missing", as in "Sonozaki Shion-san has gone missing". What's wrong with that expression?
I don't know why they didn't mention this in the anime, but in the game, Oishi added that the last time anyone saw Shion was at the library when he approached her and Keiichi. In other words, Shion has been "missing" ever since the day after the Watanagashi festival.
I don't get what you mean. shissou 失踪 means "missing", as in "Sonozaki Shion-san has gone missing". What's wrong with that expression?
Forget it. It was my misunderstanding. I thought he said しそう (死相 or 思想). :heh: :heh: :heh:
Watching anime 6:45AM in the morning can cause this. :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin:
Maybe they'll fix that ladder scene in a DVD version.
Wow. It's not as visceral as the first chapter so far, but it still looks pretty good (ladder scene aside). I can't figure out yet whether that was Mion or Shion during the ladder scene and during that last phone call.
Mion was the one who went inside the storehouse with Keiichi, so it's possible that she's going slowly nuts.
I still can't figure out yet who it was at the very end during that phone call. Nice laugh though.:)
But this is definetly a series that you can hardly figure out just by watching raws. I await the fansubs with great anticipation. :)
it's overall quite enjoyable except for the deformed scene like everyone said. i think i've already gotten used to the anime pacing by now and hopefully they will end watanagashi well.
Eleutheria
2006-05-17, 07:59
Dangit, another heavy episode that I won't be able to understand fully until the subs come out. At least for the game I can leisurely use my electronic dictionary and read the kanji.... (and I'm still only on the Oishi meeting after the festival in Onikakushi-hen)
Whatever happened to the 恥ずかし屋 Mion? :/
Freakman
2006-05-17, 11:10
Shinova : you may want to edit that as a game spoiler even. It's not been even mentioned at that point, and will only be in a later chapter.
USCPharmacist
2006-05-17, 11:49
Is it just me or that ladder scene reminded me of the Exorcist heheeeh
Wow! Another incredible ep of Higurashi!
I really like how they started off with the "neko-san"
Rika is really cute in the scene ;) especially the "Fight on-desu" and the "I'll protect the neko-san"
Rena is also very incredible in this ep! Besides the shower, I feel like I'm watching Detective Conan! Rena Detective series spinoff o.O?
So far, I'm liking this arc quit a bit ;) Can't wait for next week!
I strayed away from my belief this one time to see how the "fansub" translations were done for Ep. 7 made by some group named Wind. It took my a while to figure out this whole bittorrent thing, but it was pretty simple.
Anyhow, I was quite surprised at how well the translations were done...except for one part:
x 血がない (chiganai - "no blood")
o 違いない (chigai nai - "yes, that has to be it")
That loop of "no blood" is incorrect. Mion was repeatedly murmuring 違いない (yes, that has to be it) as she was shaking the ladder. I wouldn't blame it though as it is difficult for a non-native to distinguish "chiganai" and "chigai nai." But, repeatedly saying "no blood" makes no sense in that sentence.
So the whole scene with Mion's over-skewed face in the ladder scene was:
Mion: "Rika's disappearance is all Satoko's fault. Yes, that has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it......"
Now, that makes a lot more sense in context, and that sentence there itself provides some kind of hint now. Feel free to take this correction into mind and utilize it toward your thoughts about what the heck was going on at that ladder scene (minus the weird facial-and-out-of-sync of Mion, of course).
Oh, and the director's name isn't:
x Ima Chiaki
o Kon Chiaki
Haven't seen the WIND translation yet, but even I thought she was saying "chigai nai" as well. I don't know how they could've missed that.
At least, Ayu or Triad will come along (eventually) and come up with their better translations.
I was a little suprised when Rena went Sherlock Holmes mode, guess she can be really serious at times to.
Alot of people are disappearing fast, 2 people dead and 4 people missing. I wonder what had happend to Rika when she meet K1, she seems roughed up.
Older cat = Mion? Younger cat = Shion? Missunderstanding dog = Oishi, "the director", someone else??
Circular Logic
2006-05-20, 17:24
I found the ladder scene actually rather chilling; it doesn't need to be changed.
So I'm pretty sure that was Mion in the library.
And what's up with Ooisihi-san? And the credits as well...hmmm.
That loop of "no blood" is incorrect. Mion was repeatedly murmuring 違いない (yes, that has to be it) as she was shaking the ladder. I wouldn't blame it though as it is difficult for a non-native to distinguish "chiganai" and "chigai nai." But, repeatedly saying "no blood" makes no sense in that sentence.
I guess you are right but this "no blood" repeated so many times and even with red subtitles really scared me and made the scene even more memorable so I can forgive them this mistake. ;)
I think I expected too much from this episode so I am not fully satisfied. That said I am dying to know what will happen next.
The weird thing was that after the ladder scene Keiichi behaved as if Mion had not done anything, if it was me I wouldn't like to see her ever again. :)
Who came up with the rumour about the four people who entered the warehouse? Shion? Why mention her own name then? Why is Keiichi so stupid and told Shion (or Mion) everything he suspected in the end?
Rena seems a capable detective, maybe she should replace Oishi who seems more of a suspect than a detective.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-20, 19:52
This episode scared me good. :(
worse then the previous. I hate you Higurashi :upset:
Eric the Grey
2006-05-20, 20:39
Anyhow, I was quite surprised at how well the translations were done...except for one part:
x 血がない (chiganai - "no blood")
o 違いない (chigai nai - "yes, that has to be it")
That loop of "no blood" is incorrect. Mion was repeatedly murmuring 違いない (yes, that has to be it) as she was shaking the ladder. I wouldn't blame it though as it is difficult for a non-native to distinguish "chiganai" and "chigai nai." But, repeatedly saying "no blood" makes no sense in that sentence.
You're right, that does make more sense. I puzzled over that becausae of the fact that it made no sense in context of what she had said. I even backed the show up three times to see if I missed something. Maybe WinD will put out a fixed edition when they find out about it.
Overall, this was another excellent episode.
:cool: Eric the Grey
A 10 from me... cos I seriously felt chills around Rika/Keiichi's metaphor talk and the infamous phone call...
Sir Alex
2006-05-20, 21:09
x 血がない (chiganai - "no blood")
o 違いない (chigai nai - "yes, that has to be it")
That loop of "no blood" is incorrect. Mion was repeatedly murmuring 違いない (yes, that has to be it) as she was shaking the ladder. I wouldn't blame it though as it is difficult for a non-native to distinguish "chiganai" and "chigai nai." But, repeatedly saying "no blood" makes no sense in that sentence.
So the whole scene with Mion's over-skewed face in the ladder scene was:
Mion: "Rika's disappearance is all Satoko's fault. Yes, that has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it. That has to be it......"
Now, that makes a lot more sense in context, and that sentence there itself provides some kind of hint now. Feel free to take this correction into mind and utilize it toward your thoughts about what the heck was going on at that ladder scene (minus the weird facial-and-out-of-sync of Mion, of course).
Oh, and the director's name isn't:
x Ima Chiaki
o Kon Chiaki
Thank you very much for the corrections. Wind as of this time only has one translator, the encoder and myself doing the bulk of the scriptwork, and I don't know enough Japanese to check every line for things like that... I wondered a bit about that phrase, but chalked it up to the general freakyness of the scene. We'll probably put out a fixed v2 soon.
Ninja edit: Our translator actually is a native, too, and swears up and down he hears it as "no blood"... oh well. If "That's it, that's it" is what the game says, that's what it'll be.
Any chance you'd be interested in helping translate for us, or quality-check for things like that? Shameless advertising, I know, but for a good cause... toss me a PM here, or on our IRC channel (#windfs on irc.rizon.net) if you're interested.
A very good episode though I still consider the first episode to be the scariest episode of the series and the most intriguing. Mion's line makes sense now with kj's correction. She pretty much was justifying to herself for the horrible things she has done, so that line was needed to be said over and over to convince herself that the circumastances forced her to those horrible acts and were necessary to carry out her duty.
I liked Rika even if her role in this series didn't exceed a minute of air time, so I'm a bit saddened by her disappearance (who else thinks she, along with Shion, was eaten? ). I think it was harder for Mion to deliver judgment on Rika than Shion (probably because of jealousy) which, sort of, would explain of her loosing control in such way in the ladder-scene.
In an end note, excellent typesetting/styling by Wind on the color change of the words "no blood" which added significance to the repeated utterance of those words. Nice touch. Keep it up. ;)
edit: fixed! thanks to DingoEnderZOE2.
DingoEnderZOE2
2006-05-20, 22:43
X Mika
O Rika
SvenTheSweeper
2006-05-20, 23:07
I was a little surprised when Rena went Sherlock Holmes mode, guess she can be really serious at times to.
It felt like Rena got a personality transplant, as if she was a different person. Which I was a bit put of by this. Her Sherlock Mode eerily resembled how Shinichi explains a crime in Detective Conan. Mai Nakahara sounded like she was doing a different character.
Rena also didn't have her super cute demeanor. She barely said "...kana? kana?" in this episode. If this is Rena's serious side, I’ll have to get used to it and let it grow on me.
However-
On top of that, Rena finally got a chance to be active in this episode again (yay), showing her gentleness and kindness towards Keiichi when he was down,
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I agree that was a cool scene of Rena showing a compassion and care towards Keiichi. http://smilies.neo101.nl/smilies/1050065487_0.gif (http://smilies.neo101.nl/smilies/1050065487_0.gif[/img]) [/URL]
Oh Rika-chan, Why! Why must you have to die!
This episode was defenitely a lot better in the freakiness factor. Can't wait for the next one!
Mion's "no blood plz!1" scene made me laugh while holding my chair. What a twist of emotions in one single scene... One more point to Higurashi.
Overall, this episode just threw more coal in the fire, because now I have absolutely no idea if Keiichi is talking to Mion or to Shion, and that completely screwed ALL of my hipothesys and such of what's happening. I also wonder if Keiichi was talking to Mion, and not to Shion, in the end of Episode 6. Well, aside from that, a good and great 9/10 for this episode. It just isn't perfect because; 1. I don't like to see Mion (Shion?) higly deformed. And 2. Rena didn't sound like her.
Blue_Mercy
2006-05-20, 23:47
Ha, I knew it was Mion at the end in episode 6, her and Rena definitely make a good psycho pair. I'm almost positive Rena was putting on a facade acting the caring part in this episode, otherwise I might have to consider her a somewhat normal person in this chapter. We know Rika isn't gone for good because she has to reappear to stab herself, so I think Mion kidnapped her and Satoko. The only real complaint I had with this episode was that poorly done ladder part.
Thewanderer
2006-05-21, 00:05
Ha, I knew it was Mion at the end in episode 6
At the end of ep6? but she was wearing Shion's clothes. And alone in her room on the phone. Think about that for a minute.
It felt like Rena got a personality transplant, as if she was a different person. Which I was a bit put of by this. Her Sherlock Mode eerily resembled how Shinichi explains a crime in Detective Conan. Mai Nakahara sounded like she was doing a different character. I think Rena didn't get a personality transplant as much as she used her frightfully incisive perception for more "investigative" purposes instead of "scary-stalker-ish" purposes (re: "Keiichi-kun's eating cup noodles bought from 7-mart, right?" *shiver*).
I guess spending your free time looking for buried Kenta-kuns (needle) in mountains of trash (haystack) really trains up your ability at spotting tiny details. :heh:
I'm almost positive Rena was putting on a facade acting the caring part in this episode, otherwise I might have to consider her a somewhat normal person in this chapter.I got the same nagging suspicion you did. In fact in this chapter I'm basically being suspicious of everyone. Was that really Shion/Mion? Is Rika bluffing? Is Rena bluffing? Is Oiishii in on it? Only one that hasn't figured prominently enough for me to feel wary of is Satoko...
It felt like Rena got a personality transplant, as if she was a different person. Which I was a bit put of by this. Her Sherlock Mode eerily resembled how Shinichi explains a crime in Detective Conan. Mai Nakahara sounded like she was doing a different character.
Rena also didn't have her super cute demeanor. She barely said "...kana? kana?" in this episode. If this is Rena's serious side, I’ll have to get used to it and let it grow on me.
*cough*
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=547152&postcount=173
*coughpoint#2cough*
It's true that Rena has always been the happy-go-lucky kind, she usually wears a smile on her face even when she's being dead serious. Charm point~ :heh:
Only one that hasn't figured prominently enough for me to feel wary of is Satoko...
You just wait until Tatarigoroshi-hen (next chapter), Satoko will steal all your hearts. :heh:
You just wait until Tatarigoroshi-hen (next chapter), Satoko will steal all your hearts. :heh:Heh... I KNOW Satoko will show her 'magnificence' at some point (can't wait :D) I just meant up to this point she doesn't have the "be wary of" sign plastered over her. Maybe I should have added a "yet" to the sentence in my earlier post to clarify :heh:
Hrm, I gave it a ten, but I didn't even really think of the ladder scene one way or the other. I should have deducted a point for that, I guess.
The rest of this episode had such a huge impact though, it's hard for me to fault the one scene.
I actually thought this episode explained a LOT about Rena and the last arc. For instance, I had been assuming that all of Rena's super-knowledge in the last arc indicated some kind of Oyashiro possession, now I realize that she's really just that observant.
SpaceDrake
2006-05-21, 01:24
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.
Anyway, yeah, this episode showed, among other things, that Rena has the eyes of a hawk. That's why she noticed everything in Onikakushi-hen, she could beat Oishi at detective work.
Of course, did anyone else notice that Mion's eyes didn't go slit-like when she freaked out?
I do believe that's a hint, folks.
In an end note, excellent typesetting/styling by Wind on the color change of the words "no blood" which added significance to the repeated utterance of those words. Nice touch. Keep it up. ;)
I would say that was a nice effect which however they used it in the wrong context though. However, they hit it right on the ball on how to use the font colors. The original doujin game utilized the changing font colors for Tsumihoroboshi-hen (still a far way to go until the anime gets there).
Beyond the Shave
2006-05-21, 02:14
Did anyone else hear this???
When Rika was talking with Keiichi in the beginning... The camera pointed towards the windows of the house, of which there was a large glare from the sun (so you couldn't see anything inside)... Turn the volume up right after Rika asks him if he did something that night. Is this of any significance? Also, what's the deal with all the telephone wires in this episode...
But who could be inside his house...
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.
The only thing I didn't like about it was that the voice didn't seem to be matching the lips, and it was a little bizarre that her face was contorted like that but the voice sounded so calm. Like I said, I usually rate episodes before reading any posts on the thread, and when I rated it, I didn't even think about that part. Then I read a couple of posts and it reminded me, so I thought it should be a little bit of a deduction.
The distorted contortion face part I actually liked, except it seemed a little on the static side.
Segahekui
2006-05-21, 02:35
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.
maybe if it was a little more distorted, so it would seem intentional. Instead it just seems like a mistake, or half-assed
Amaranthine
2006-05-21, 03:06
Gah. Twins are just creepy. Each time one of them appeared, I was wondering whether she was really the one she claimed to be. And then I find out that Shion is missing. Or... one of them is missing. At the moment I do think that it's Shion who's missing, and Mion has been pretending to be her. I don't have any great ideas about why though.
In fact, I don't have any theories about what was going on right now. Watching it just before I went to sleep at 3am was good for atmosphere (especially during the part with the ladder), but not great for puzzling the whole thing out. A rewatch is called for A.S.A.P. Overall I actually found it to be the creepiest episode so far, and...
What?! No eyes!?
It seems that it could have stuck to the game and been even more so? o_o I'm guessing this has been mentioned before, so I'm going to have to go and look...
About Mion's (or Shion's... no way to be sure, at least not that I've noticed) face in the ladder scene. It didn't bother me too much, but I think maybe that's because I was too busy saying "What the bloody hell?!" to myself and being creeped out. It was a bit odd though, and I think it's going to bother me a bit when I see it again. There were no real downsides to the episode besides that, at least in my opinion, so I'm giving it a solid 9. I was hovering between 8 and 9, but the pure "WTF-factor" of Shion's (or Mion's :eyespin:) disappearance merited the extra point from me.
Circular Logic
2006-05-21, 03:52
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.
Anyway, yeah, this episode showed, among other things, that Rena has the eyes of a hawk. That's why she noticed everything in Onikakushi-hen, she could beat Oishi at detective work.
Of course, did anyone else notice that Mion's eyes didn't go slit-like when she freaked out?
I do believe that's a hint, folks.
Yep. That scene freaked me out.
Does no slits suggest she's actually in control? Or is it just weird animation?
Savin877
2006-05-21, 03:55
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.
Anyway, yeah, this episode showed, among other things, that Rena has the eyes of a hawk. That's why she noticed everything in Onikakushi-hen, she could beat Oishi at detective work.
Of course, did anyone else notice that Mion's eyes didn't go slit-like when she freaked out?
I do believe that's a hint, folks.
Yeah, but how do we know that it is even Mion, couldnt it be Shion lol. I hate being left alone not knowing anything.
Did anyone else hear this???
When Rika was talking with Keiichi in the beginning... The camera pointed towards the windows of the house, of which there was a large glare from the sun (so you couldn't see anything inside)... Turn the volume up right after Rika asks him if he did something that night. Is this of any significance? Also, what's the deal with all the telephone wires in this episode...
But who could be inside his house...
Just for the record, that's the back of the school building, not his house.
What?! No eyes!?
The "くけけけけ" didn't sound like "くけけけけ" either. The version from the drama CD actually sounded closer (well, it's pretty much impossible to pronounce in the first place, so I guess you can't be too harsh about this).
The laughter was well done in the anime too, so it's not as big a deal.
Mion's face really did scare me alot!
Back to square 1 again for me
I now think that in episode 6 Shion entered the shrine. She was probably going to observe only from the outside but got caught when K1 made the noise. If the Sonazakis are in charge of the Watanagashi, then they should already know what's in the shrine warehouse. Shion confirmed this much in ep. 6. Curiosity got the best of her and she entered. She was observed by someone who spread the rumors and went into hiding.
Mion grilled K1 at the shrine and at the school the next day because the rumors were spreading. Mion met K1 at the library disguised as Shion. Oishi 1st addressed her as Mion. then said Shion because Shion was supposed to be missing. Mion heard the confession on the phone from K1. All that Mion had so far were rumors and needed to here it from one of the 2, but she can't get to her sister so K1 would have to do.
Shion, scared and in hiding, kidnapped the village elder to confess. He is probably serving as her shield. This is prob. the "evil act" that Rika is referring to. Shion is calling K1 because she has limited access to the outside since she is hiding in the area. She is now becoming full-blown by the end of the episode.
Mion's side is probably in possession of Rika and Satako for their "protection". But now that Mion is becoming full-blown, they are not protected anymore.
So how am I doing?
Do we know how far these people are living from each other? Like a village map with where the residences are in any of the TIPs.
Blue_Mercy
2006-05-21, 12:35
The fact that Mion was dressed as Shion at the end of Episode 6 was to throw us off or so I think. Also think about it for a second there was no way for Shion to have confessed to the village chief so Mion was dressed as Shion when she talked to Keiichi about confessing, and Keiichi let it slip to Mion that he had confessed to Rika. It's not suprising that Mion took Satoko also since Rika could have told Satoko about Keiichi going in to the storage house.
Shion/Mion's reaction at the end of episode 6 caused me to consider one of two possibilities.
Either a) It was Shion and she just felt like crap for getting Keiichi targeted.
b) It was Mion and that was her look realizing Keiichi had lied to her and went into the storage house.
Normally I would think if you got someone targeted you would apologize, but that's just me. I think we can all agree that it was Mion at the end of episode 7 laughing on the phone, and given the fact that Rika stabs herself in front of Mion I'm sticking with my hypothesis that Rika and Satoko are at Mion's house.
The feeling that the viewer gets from watching episode seven's pretty amazing - gotta be the best episode so far.
At this moment i get whats going on in this chapter, but i'm gonna have to re-watch to fully understand each lil' part.
As for Rena, she looks like the normal one in this chapter, though how she knows what happened that night's interesting.
It has been mentioned few times, in anime and in tips, that Mion and Shion tends to switch places with each other. We have also seen that Shion is a manipulative one (scene with tea for Keichi), few times we have heard that Mion is definitely “better” natured than Shion (that she isn’t exactly like she appear to be). We know that Mion likes Keichi (why Mion was so obsessed with Satoshi during ladder scene?). I think the one who was with Keichi during Watanagashi was Mion – but was afraid to be with him alone as “herself” (one thing, if it was Mion with him, I’m sure that she really heard something there). Shion realized somehow her sister’s plans and took her place (probably for fun). When fake Shion left, fake Mion appeared and started to tease Keichi (if he met Shion), it would explain why real Mion didn’t know that “she” asked him about Shion earlier. Later real Shion telephoned Keichi to ask him if he knew about Tomitake, Keichi said everything to her and Shion realized that it is her chance. Mion is a righteous heir of Sonozake family, it wouldn’t be hard to switch place with her, and make Mion dissapear as Shion due to Oyashiro-sama's curse. Just a thought.
But, Mion has a tatoo on her back (in the OP). So, they can differentiate the 2.
Shion may not know about this. I assume Mion didn't have this tatoo since early childhood.
Two more things: Mion appears to me as a friend of Satoko, but during a ladder scene we see that she blames and rather sincerely hates her. Also Mion is a kind who just won’t talk about some topics, yet during ladder scene she said quite a lot.
But then...
that would mean that Shion was not "demoned away". Shion should have supposedly disappeared at the end of ep. 6, right? So Shion called to apologize to K1 who is not communicating this to anyone. Both ep. 7 phone calls could actually be done by Mion. Mion "demoned away" the village elder and confessed to him. Also Rika and Satako were "demoned away" because of K1's confession. Shion appeared as a fake Mion when Rika and Satako disappeared. But wouldn't this imply that both those girls are cooperating with each other to keep up the charade and provide an alibi for each other?
If that is so, then Shion, Mion, Rika and Satako are all at Mion's place.
So what do you think?
Also,
what do you think that Mion (disguised as Shion) and Tanako saw in the shrine storehouse that K1 didn't?
lifestorm2
2006-05-21, 18:44
i was just wondering, doesn't mion call Rena "Rena-chan"? In episode 7, when the three meet to find out what happened to Satoko +Rika, "Mion" called the other two "Rena, Kei-chan", i thought that was weird, i just wanted to make sure if i'm correct. Considering the fact that i don't trust looking back 1-2 episodes (still in watanagashi chapter, i don't trust the twins :P) , i want to ask if anyone can go back to Demoned-away chapter and see if Mion calls Rena, just "Rena"
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-21, 19:24
i was just wondering, doesn't mion call Rena "Rena-chan"? In episode 7, when the three meet to find out what happened to Satoko +Rika, "Mion" called the other two "Rena, Kei-chan", i thought that was weird, i just wanted to make sure if i'm correct. Considering the fact that i don't trust looking back 1-2 episodes (still in watanagashi chapter, i don't trust the twins :P) , i want to ask if anyone can go back to Demoned-away chapter and see if Mion calls Rena, just "Rena"
Yes, she just calls her Rena in the first chapter. But I wouldn't put too much stock into the usage of -chan and -kun as clues to anything. In the first chapter, even K1 calls Rena plain old "Rena" and Mion is "Mion" as well. Of course, Rena calls K1 "Keiichi-kun" and Mion "Kei-chan" for what I believe are ulterior motives as most of us probably suspect, typical of the harem genre.
aliensporebomb
2006-05-21, 19:42
What a mindblower. Again.
Again, I'm coming up with increasingly farfetched ideas on what is behind all this:
Such as:
-mind control via the use of drugs or supernatural origin
-hive mind - at key moments something/someone takes control - Oyashiro-sama controlling
an entire town for hundreds of years?
-possession by supernatural entities?
-multiple personalities / extreme mental illness.
I'm really at a loss now.
Some thoughts about this episode:
-Rena the amazingly thorough detective; if she wasn't insane or ready to kill
perhaps she has future career possibilities in this line of work.
-Keiichi - does this guy have a target on his back or what? It might behoove
him to blow town. Where IS this kids parents anyway? They are rarely seen.
-Mion - (or is it Shion? Who is really who?) - going off the deep end in a
horrific manner. A ladder shaking good time.
-Oishi - he knows something, I'm convinced of it. He's using Keiichi as bait
in a trap and I think he already knows who is going to come after K1.
-Shion - really missing? or is SHE the mental one and Mion is the scapegoat?
-The next episode ought to have us screaming pretty thoroughly I'm sure.
Can't wait for the next episode.
Hi all. I've been lurking since about ep3 and like many others this series has caused me to register here on animesuki. :) The great part of this anime is all the discussion that goes along with every ep, so here I am!
I still need to rewatch the first 4 eps and this is a WAG but the only times Keiichi and Oishi discuss anything of substance (the murders, who he was with/when) is indoors, inside a car, or over a phone indoors. In both the first arc and watanagashi Oishi invites Keiichi into his car to talk. The first time he uses air conditioning as an excuse and then in this ep7 he just opens the car door and says that they should talk inside. I'm wondering if he's intentionally doing that or if it's just a coincidence.
In the first arc Rena knows Keiichi went in a car to talk but she doesn't seem to know exactly what they talked about and asks Keiichi before going all slit-eyed. I suppose we'll see if she asks him in the final ep for this chapter. In Keiichi's altered reality Mion says she should have killed that "old man" but showed him mercy since he was supposed to retire this year after guessing that it was Oishi who told Keiichi about the dam construction project manager's arguments wtih Mion.
I want to say it has something to do with the cicadas hearing and/or watching things around town but that seemed kind of a big stretch to make right now?
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-22, 00:01
Hi all. I've been lurking since about ep3 and like many others this series has caused me to register here on animesuki. :) The great part of this anime is all the discussion that goes along with every ep, so here I am!
I'll give my thoughts on it.
"I still need to rewatch the first 4 eps and this is a WAG but the only times Keiichi and Oishi discuss anything of substance (the murders, who he was with/when) is indoors, inside a car, or over a phone indoors. In both the first arc and watanagashi Oishi invites Keiichi into his car to talk. The first time he uses air conditioning as an excuse and then in this ep7 he just opens the car door and says that they should talk inside. I'm wondering if he's intentionally doing that or if it's just a coincidence."
It's intentional, but probably nothing more than to make the conversation more private. Plus he can always grab crap in his car like notepads, pen, cigarettes, donuts, ... stuff like that.
"In the first arc Rena knows Keiichi went in a car to talk but she doesn't seem to know exactly what they talked about and asks Keiichi before going all slit-eyed. I suppose we'll see if she asks him in the final ep for this chapter. In Keiichi's altered reality Mion says she should have killed that "old man" but showed him mercy since he was supposed to retire this year after guessing that it was Oishi who told Keiichi about the dam construction project manager's arguments wtih Mion."
I want to say it has something to do with the cicadas hearing and/or watching things around town but that seemed kind of a big stretch to make right now?"
I do think you're over-analyzing the situation. In the first arc, the car was parked outside of the school, so it's not hard to look outside to see Keiichi sitting inside. If Rena didn't see it, someone else did and probably told the others. Even the teacher knew.
With Mion, she knew that Keiichi and Oishi did have a conversation in the restaurant. Watching the 2nd arc shows how she would know that.
So we don't need no stinking cicadas to tell us secrets.
Hellkat672
2006-05-22, 00:19
At the end of ep6? but she was wearing Shion's clothes. And alone in her room on the phone. Think about that for a minute.
LOOK
Think about this, If Mion dressed up as shion to trick k1 at the library. Do you think she would change her clothes when she got home?
Am I really the only one who thinks the distorted character design during the ladder scene was a good thing? Everyone seems to dislike it... I thought it really added to the psychotic feeling of the scene.The main reason that particulal scene didn't have much of an impact had to be the sound pitch of Mion or the lack of it. The extreme emotion shown in the face would have matched a higer volume of a Mion's voice like if she had spoken in shrill. The way she was talking to Keiichi just didn't match the emotion of her face. Recall in episode 2, when Rena's face all distorted and says "USO DA" in a scream and the birds, startled, (along with me. I jumped :D ) flies away. Mion's scene should have been executed something like that, just that, here it would have been a lot more dialogues in a high voice. Like many, I also think the animators just messed up in the executoin of this particular scene.
BrokenWingz
2006-05-22, 06:44
Yes, i though that it would be weird for Mion to be dress as Shion even at her home during the phonecalls.
Rika isnt dead yet, since from the start of ep 5 and 1, you know they're gonna reshow later on :p.
LOOK
Think about this, If Mion dressed up as shion to trick k1 at the library. Do you think she would change her clothes when she got home?
Yes maybe not but it doesnt make sense why she then would wear Shions clothes when she makes the second phone call. To bad we dont get to see the other person on the third call.
Beyond the Shave
2006-05-22, 07:40
Don't forget (and correct me if I'm wrong): the first four arcs are taken from Keiichi's point of view.
Sir Alex
2006-05-22, 08:29
Mmm. With episode 8 now just a day or so away, this seems like a good time to post something I noticed a week ago that blew this arc apart. No, I didn't use any information outside the anime to come up with this, nor is it foolproof, but even so...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6089/episode59hq.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=episode59hq.jpg)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8682/episode67ah.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=episode67ah.jpg)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4136/zomg2xv.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zomg2xv.jpg)
The main reason that particulal scene didn't have much of an impact had to be the sound pitch of Mion or the lack of it.
I think that was one fo the main reason this scene really scared me (the other being that it was three o'clock in the morning when I watched it:)). It would be somewhat predictable and boring if the characters always snapped and went crazy in the same way in every story arc. No need to shout, Mion's voice was chilling enough, IMO. And I think she was trying to restrain herself, come on - how dufficult is to just pull the ladder so Keiichi would fall on the ground? Maybe Mion has a multiple personality disorder - this time Keiichi seems normal, not crazy and yet the normal Mion seems so different from the crazy Mion and the change is almost instantenious.
I suspect that Shion is the true vilain in Watanagashi, not Mion but I can't say I can provide much evidence for this, it's mainly my intuitive guess for now.
A few more questions:
- How come Satoko and Rika live on their own? Shouldn't some adult be taking care of them?
- If Oishi was not lying about the rumour why no one apart from his circle of friends has not confronted Keichi to ask him about the breaking in or maybe even try to kill him? Aren't all villagers supposed to be outraged by such an event?
Mmm. With episode 8 now just a day or so away, this seems like a good time to post something I noticed a week ago that blew this arc apart. No, I didn't use any information outside the anime to come up with this, nor is it foolproof, but even so...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6089/episode59hq.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=episode59hq.jpg)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8682/episode67ah.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=episode67ah.jpg)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4136/zomg2xv.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zomg2xv.jpg)Don't have time now to review the scene but are you hinting at a right-handed/left-handed thing?
Beyond the Shave
2006-05-22, 10:21
Wow! I never would have noticed that. Great find.
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-22, 11:00
That would be some detective work if what you say is true. Then the comparative scene would be when
Mion takes Keiichi's hand to get food and away from Shion, Takano and Tomitake during festival preparation.
Oh man, I'm at work, so I can't check that. Have to wait eight hours.
Come on, the fact that Shion holds K1's hand with her left hand hardly proves she is left-handed. Usually when two people hold hands one fo them uses his left hand, even if they are both right-handed. For instance few minutes before this scene Shion points forward with her right hand - why not say she is right-handed based on this?
I rewatched some scenes and yes it seems like Mion always carries her bag with her left hand until the day after the festival in ep6. But in other earlier scenes she also eats with her right hand and writes with her right hand.
I remember back in school i used to switch around which hand i used to carry my bag - really i don't think that has anything to do with it.
& just like what Matrim said, you could proof this lil' idea of with anything Shion or Mion have done with there hands.
Hellkat672
2006-05-22, 11:24
damn double posting.
Hellkat672
2006-05-22, 11:25
Yes maybe not but it doesnt make sense why she then would wear Shions clothes when she makes the second phone call. To bad we dont get to see the other person on the third call.
Well if you think about it, mion dident show up in school the night after the call k1 had with supposed shion. SOOO you can say that Mion who copied shion never changed outta clothes from the time of library all the way to the 2nd call. Since in fact she dident go to school to change into her normal clothes.
But it does make more sense if shion has been copying mion all these times and it was actually mion who dissapeared. But that might be too easy.
Circular Logic
2006-05-22, 11:47
Who knows if Shion & Takano saw something in the storehouse? And how would everyone know if they did? And why would camera guy (forgot his name :/ ) get killed unless there was something more to it?
The point is, Ooishi's just theorising. Nothing more.
I still maintain that Mion & Shion are themselves until the library scene.
The main question that is plaguing me from this episode is, how does the inspector know Shion is missing after the night of the festival? If this fact is taken for granted, all the suspicion automatically falls on Mion.
I think that was one fo the main reason this scene really scared me (the other being that it was three o'clock in the morning when I watched it:)). It would be somewhat predictable and boring if the characters always snapped and went crazy in the same way in every story arc. No need to shout, Mion's voice was chilling enough, IMO.
Mion's voice was indeed chilling. The voice itself isn't at fault, rather, it's how the face was animated in that scene. If this scene was seen for the first time with the mute button in your media player turned on, how would you have imagined her tone of voice of speaking after seeing her face contoured in rage such a way? I suppose, in the end, it's all matter of personal point of view. :)
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-22, 13:04
The main question that is plaguing me from this episode is, how does the inspector know Shion is missing after the night of the festival? If this fact is taken for granted, all the suspicion automatically falls on Mion.
I don't think Oishi stated that Shion went missing after the night of the festival, only that she went missing as stated to Keiichi in the car. I too originally thought he meant that, but after watching the car interrogation scene again, I realize that he said she's missing, with no time noted. The reason I checked was because Oishi saw both Keiichi and Shion (or Mion) at the Library, so that's probably the last time anybody saw her, so it wouldn't make sense for Oishi not to think of that day. I suspect that Shion was reported missing the day after the library meeting (or the day before car interrogation).
Memento has a good timeline description on his blog, so you may want to refer to that as an aid.
Last_Hope
2006-05-22, 13:17
You know. (I blitzed through all the episodes subbed yesterday.) Mion is the one that´s been scaring the shit out of me time and time again. First when she looks at through the spring between the door and the wall in the first arc. When they gave him the onigiri. (That scared the shit out of me.) Then later on we have the moments with the ladder and the laughs through the phone. They really gave me the chills.
It feels like it´s been ages since I found a really good horror/thriller movie/series. Higurashi made me start to bite my nails again. :heh:
I don't think Oishi stated that Shion went missing after the night of the festival, only that she went missing as stated to Keiichi in the car. I too originally thought he meant that, but after watching the car interrogation scene again, I realize that he said she's missing, with no time noted. The reason I checked was because Oishi saw both Keiichi and Shion (or Mion) at the Library, so that's probably the last time anybody saw her, so it wouldn't make sense for Oishi not to think of that day. I suspect that Shion was reported missing the day after the library meeting (or the day before car interrogation).
In the game, Oishi mentioned that she went missing the day after the festival, and that the library encounter (which took place the day after the festival) was the last time anyone has seen her.
The anime tends to leave out some important things at times, I don't know why they do that.
Gackt=good
2006-05-22, 14:57
Hmm well fist of all the ladder scene. You really think of a higher crazier voice when you say Mion's face so that's the only thing that bothered me.
But something important(^.^) When the Watangashi chapter begins it says: "Jealousy". So maybe Mion is actually jealous at Shion and that would explain why she stayed in Shion's clothes even at home. Well this is all pure speculation, but maybe worth looking at?
BTW: I love this anime.
FubaredByAnime
2006-05-22, 15:14
In the game, Oishi mentioned that she went missing the day after the festival, and that the library encounter (which took place the day after the festival) was the last time anyone has seen her.
The anime tends to leave out some important things at times, I don't know why they do that.
Darn anime! Not the first time lack of info screwed me over! But I do have the tendency of looking of scrutinizing every small bit of detail ad nauseum. Oh well.
Cogwheim
2006-05-22, 17:06
Identical twins have the same dominant hand.
Mei Hikari
2006-05-22, 18:19
So, um, WinD released a second version of episode 7. They changed the "no blood" line from Mion to "that's it".
And it doesn't turn red anymore. Is that significant?
So, um, WinD released a second version of episode 7. They changed the "no blood" line from Mion to "that's it".
And it doesn't turn red anymore. Is that significant?
No, it seems they re-translated the part on the note that I made in post #15 of this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=565671&postcount=15).
Leo_Otaku
2006-05-22, 18:54
While I'm at it, same goes for the excessive higurashi (cicada) crys during Keiichi and Oishi's talk inside the car. The cries swell everytime something "big" was revealed, and after the second or third time, the effect really cheapens the atmosphere.
I think you know that they are like everywhere and can be heard at like all times in the summer in Japan regardless of how they use it.
I think you know that they are like everywhere and can be heard at like all times in the summer in Japan regardless of how they use it.
I grew up in a place with cicadas/higurashi in the Summer, so I know very well just how noisy the little buggers are. I'm talking about the fact that everytime Oishi (or anyone else, for that matter) reveals something "shocking" or "important", it's followed by a loud burst of higurashi cry. It's fine if the effect was used sparingly or spaced out over time, with when it's used over and over again in a short period of time, it just doesn't feel chilling anymore.
Besides, higurashi (english name: Evening Cicada), unlike regular cicadas, only cry during early~late evenings, and they sound different too. So having the effect in the middle of the day doesn't make much sense either.
(For example, the 10:00 mark in Episode 2 is a good example of what regular cicadas sound like, while the 17:45 mark shows what higurashi sound like)
But you've played the game too. Maybe, repeat exposure has lessened the effect of those cicadas. I kind of like it. The "hello people, important clue" sound effect for those who need it is nice.
:topicoff: For those into MADs, within this torrent file (http://www.tokyotosho.com/details.php?id=21317) are these MADs.
MAD Video 1.mpg = (MAD)[ひぐらしのなく頃に] ひとみすいれん ＊＊＊cide.mpg
MAD Video 2.mpg = (MAD)[ひぐらしのなく頃に] なかない君と嘆きの世界 高解像度 Ver.mpg
MAD Video 3.mpg = (MAD)[ひぐらしのなく頃に]ひぐらしのミカタ 完全版.mpg
*If this was inappropriate to post, I apologize.*
Circular Logic
2006-05-23, 08:24
Something else occured to me:
No shady white van, no 'director', no mysterious men. This all seems to be the work of Mion alone...And yet, Tomitake died in the same way, 'no drug abuse'? Is it the same, or isn't it? ...
That, and the Berkenstal poems seem to suggest there's no Oyashiro-sama work going on here, it's crazy Mion :)
Best episode yet IMO. This episode sorta confirmed my suspicions that it was in fact Mion on the phone in episode 6. Though I'm still not fully convinced....
And either Rena went to the same detective academy as Sherlock Holmes or she is a deceiving/yet obvious, homicidal-chibi-psychopath. :heh: She practically spelled it out to Keichi, by saying she will never disappear.
I have to admit I still don't know what the hell is going on, but I'm finding this to be the most fascinating anime of the year. 10/10 for this ep.
physics223
2006-05-23, 09:32
It is. The most fascinating anime of the year, that is. Now if only Ayu speeded up their releases, I'm going to watch it all in a day.
ludacris10
2006-05-23, 09:59
Hey i thought they all died during episode 3-4?
Hey i thought they all died during episode 3-4?
Watanagashi is like a new game.
For me, this ep gets a 10, because after watching it, I got a nightmare in which I am chased by a twin who wants to tear my intensines apart :uhoh:
Is it just me or am I thinking the worst for Keiichi when
The preview shows "Does it feel better now that you've confessed?" I mean, this can mean that Mion interrogated Keiichi by God knows how (maybe the hammer and nails) to make him confess.
I think that in this episode, it might be possible that Mion, because of her position in Sonozaki family, must decide on what to do with her friends (Rika, Keiichi) regarding the break-in to the warehouse, add the factor that she might has a liking for Keiichi, that made her snap when faced with all the problems she must clear.
For Onikakushi,
we can see that Rena is actually a good detective and her deductions freaked Keiichi because he thinks that's Oyashiro-sama's doing. The cause of her anger and hostility towards Keiichi perhaps because Keiichi suspects the group and become distant to them, compared to Watanagashi.
Maybe Mion's actions in Onikakushi is because she didn't want Keiichi to be involved in Hinamizawa's situation (she likes him) so she decided to lie to Keiichi, and her outburst of anger towards Oishi can be because of that moment of anger and her position as a yakuza heir. Keiichi misunderstands that Mion wants to kill Oishi by unleashing Oyashiro-sama, when in fact Mion is just angry and her outburst relates to her power.
Circular Logic
2006-05-23, 11:45
She's not a Yakuza heir, she is the head of the Yakuza, currently.
Maybe Mion's actions in Onikakushi is because she didn't want Keiichi to be involved in Hinamizawa's situation (she likes him) so she decided to lie to Keiichi, and her outburst of anger towards Oishi can be because of that moment of anger and her position as a yakuza heir. Keiichi misunderstands that Mion wants to kill Oishi by unleashing Oyashiro-sama, when in fact Mion is just angry and her outburst relates to her power.
Yes, I think this is an example of how the new story arc shows the events from the previous one in a different one. In Onikakushi the only explanations for Mion's angry remark "I should have killed Oishi" seem to be that she is either a crazy murderer or that her words were product of Keiichi's paranoia. Now, as we know that she the heir of Yakuza family her talk about killing policemen suddenly seems to make sense.
The preview shows "Does it feel better now that you've confessed?" I mean, this can mean that Mion interrogated Keiichi by God knows how (maybe the hammer and nails) to make him confess.
If Mion is the one who talked repeatedly on the phone with K1 she already knows what he has done so no need to make him confess. If not, judging by the sinister laughter at the end of this episode I would assume that Shion is actually the evil sister. So basically I don't think Mion will torture Keiichi in order to get a confession but you never know what's going to hapepn in this show so I might be totally wrong. :)
If anyone cares, yesterday (May 22) was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's birthday. Rena must have known ahead and payed a tribute to him by playing the role of the detective. ;)
I don't think Oishi stated that Shion went missing after the night of the festival, only that she went missing as stated to Keiichi in the car. I too originally thought he meant that, but after watching the car interrogation scene again, I realize that he said she's missing, with no time noted. The reason I checked was because Oishi saw both Keiichi and Shion (or Mion) at the Library, so that's probably the last time anybody saw her, so it wouldn't make sense for Oishi not to think of that day. I suspect that Shion was reported missing the day after the library meeting (or the day before car interrogation).
I'll definitely rewatch this episode at the first chance I get. This inspector, he must be playing a huge role in this mystery. I mean, it's extraordinary that anyone would involve a kid in a homicide investigation, especially when one of the murderer from the dam incident is possibly still at large! Not to mention, people are regularly dying/missing each year for the past 4 years after the ritual.
Memento has a good timeline description on his blog, so you may want to refer to that as an aid.
Thanks. I've been reluctant to seek any aid so far in this series because it has been so much fun guessing. Haven't even read most of the threads other than the episode discussion threads and the poem-thread.
On a random note, as I was reading one of the poems, I thought of a scene from the earlier episode out of no where, when Keiichi's mom was talking to him. Funnily enough, she didn't have a "face." The poem is in the following and the bold part is what triggered the recollection of that scene...
"I cannot quench your thirst
Because even if you yearn for the truth, you refuse to believe in it.
I cannot quench your thirst
Because no such truth exists that you are in anticipation for.
But I still want to quench your thirst.
Because I am the one that put you into the desert."
Damn, and I was calling Asa of Shuffle green-haired monster. That Mion scene was disturbing to say the least :p I mean, I couldn't read the subs cause I was freaking out and then I had to watch it again, and it was still freaking scary :p Yeah yeah, I'm not into thriller business much. I need my Mikuru dosage...
Other than that, I don't have a clue what's going on, the storyline seems a bit messed up or is this a totally different story? But anyway, I get enough clues to keep me from feeling totally frustrated.
Rena :love:
It's supposed to be the same story, but the circumstances are subtly twisted each time to change the outcome.
Sort of like the movie "Sliding Doors".
Yeah, Circular was kind enough to explain it. Well, this throws the series in a new light. I don't need to worry about not getting something :D Ep 7 was giving enough clues but I had trouble creating the actual timeline. Well, since there's no actual timeline and it's different anytime, I can rest now :D Thanks.
Freakman
2006-05-23, 15:37
Gains : about that text from the preview you were quoting, I realize I actually translated it somehow wrong, I should have double checked from the game
slight spoiler for the beginning of ep 8 on that particular point :
Oishi tells that to Keiichi after he explains what happened in the past few days.
So "talking" might have been a better word than "confessing" (although it's partly a confession since Keiichi never told Oishi anything).
Rasuberi
2006-05-23, 16:32
Oh the despair. I haven't been able to read or post here a lot due to some internet troubles I was having. I've never been so worried about seeing an anime right when it comes out... I am very thankful I was able to watch 6 and 7 on my mother's labtop when they came out.
Ah... episode 7, wow. I am confused beyond belief. Damn you Shion.
I've come up with so many possibilities of just who is who through Watanagashi... I can not seem to come up with ideas for what's actually going on in Higurashi anymore. Are we really seeing Shion when we see "Shion"? And the same with "Mion"?
The first two episodes (up till the end of Watanagashi festival) have more possiblities for the two to be switching around in my mind (in my main hypothesis). I think in episode 7 we only see one of the girls. So... the question is who is who?
I believe the most important part to know who is who is when they were in the storehouse. If that was Shion, I am completely confused as to what is going on. On the other hand, I find Mion pretending to be Shion in this seen to be more probable. As someone mentioned earlier it would be a good chance for Shion to get rid of her sister by playing along with this game (by switching places with her). I'm not too good at explaining this but... Shion must feel she has something to gain by letting Mion do what I think she did. It's obvious the girls are jealous of eachother and I believe it has to do with Keiichi, and possibly Satoshi. Oh dear, I can't wait for Meakashi-hen~!
If that was Mion with Keiichi, Takano and Tomitake then I believe Mion went missing as "Shion" just after she ran down the stairs. As much as I love Shion, she appears to be capable of evil deeds moreso than her sister is. The ladder scene also makes much more sense as Shion since Mion was close to Satoko, Mion is too kind to accuse her of being the cause of everyone's misfortune. And that psycho laughing screams Shion to me rather than Mion... I don't have much evidence as most of my speculation is from character analysis.
I feel like the implication of Mion being the "Shion" at the library and on the phone later, as well as for all of episode 7 because "Shion" is missing... is to through us off. It just has to be Shion that's psycho... it's what makes sense in my head. (for whatever reason that is.)
I'm no good at concluding things so... I can't wait to see those five inch nails~! :love:
Episode 8 will be happiness~! HAPPINESS~ *waits unpatiently*
Circular Logic
2006-05-23, 16:34
From looking at the poems...
I cannot quench your thirst
Because even if you yearn for the truth, you refuse to believe in it.
No idea...
I cannot quench your thirst
Because no such truth exists that you are in anticipation for.
It's simply Mion? No funny stuff?
But I still want to quench your thirst.
Because I am the one the that put you into the desert.
Doesn't this sound a lot like Shion?
aliensporebomb
2006-05-23, 17:52
From looking at the poems...
I cannot quench your thirst
Because even if you yearn for the truth, you refuse to believe in it.
No idea...
I cannot quench your thirst
Because no such truth exists that you are in anticipation for.
It's simply Mion? No funny stuff?
But I still want to quench your thirst.
Because I am the one the that put you into the desert.
Doesn't this sound a lot like Shion?
Possibly but:
It could be Mion too.
Clever anime. Most diabolical of the year.
If they made this a live action movie in the U.S. it would be a HUGE
success. As it is, it is too extreme for most but the light parts are
super light and the dark parts are super dark and nothing in between.
Knowledge is power. Power to come to 'OH SHIT' revelations like this one:
/Start spoilers for Fatal Frame II
In FFII, one finds out about a gruesome ritual that requires the elder of the twin to strangle the younger. You play Mio (imouto) and the game skilfully maneuvers one into being fearful of Mayu (ane), supposedly the designated one to kill you. That is until you find out the village’s traditional position on delegating seniority in twins birth. It appears that prior to a 1875 Meji’s edict (an actual edict that dictates the firstborn of twins to be the elder) the firstborn is seen as the younger of the twins.
/end Spoilers for Fatal Frame II
Obviously the blogger of http://www.yayapapayaz.com/hontouni/?p=369 had a much more intimate knowledge of Japanese history than myself or most people.
This, combined with the fact that the Sonozakis are an apparently ancient family with ancient traditions, puts a real spin to Rika's dialogue about the cats. :eek: Of course, it could just be that Hinamizawa doesn't share the same customs as that village mentioned above, but it's still something to keep an eye on.
papaquong
2006-05-23, 22:19
this one actually made my fears rise up... especially the ending... i couldnt figure if she was happy or crying... man... whats shion true identity... The twins are both evil as hell.
by the way.. you know for epis 4-7, is it another theory or just another story?
chrno_the_sinner
2006-05-24, 00:10
Personally, I think...
Shion was the indeed the one who took K1 into the storehouse and she also was the one who talked to him at school the next day. Shion asked him a question about if he went into the storehouse (or something in the like). I think she might have been testing his loyalty towards her by keeping her promise. It would also explain why the Mion appeared to ask K1 the same question twice. I agree with the theory that it was Mion who met up with K1 at the Library.
And Rena has now jumped to the top of my favourite character list with her awesome detective skills. That could also explain how she knew he was with Oishi in the car that day in Onikakushi-hen.
Pellissier
2006-05-24, 14:31
I'm giving 9, I just save the 10 for the next episode which I'm sure won't be betray my expectations at all.
Along with episode 4 this is the best episode of Higurashi so far. But while episode 4 was the end of the first arc, with its peak as for climax, here we were just on the third part, still building the tension.
A very involving episode, and yes, scary as well. I'm kinda used to thrillers/horrors so it's difficult to actually scare me, but then.. Mion's face in the ladder scene, let's say it's not that easy to remove from the mind :p (and NO! I won't be making animated avatars on that scene because I don't want to see them around :heh: )
Back to the episode. Mention to the cat-dog metaphor at the beginning. Brilliant and yet so scary. Rika is still such a mysterious character, and she hasn't shown any madness on the contrary of Rena and Mion. Well, not the counting the very beginning of episode 5.
The ladder scene. Animaton was way off, as already said on this thread. No synchrony with the words. I wonder how they could mess up with this scene when the character design was actually disturbing enough, and the voice acting just perfect. Still it remains a mistery to me (non game player or novel reader) why Rena and Mion have to turn into Oyashiro/Higurashi mode so suddenly and without apparent reason. I wonder If we will see an Oyashiro mode for Rika and Satoko as well (but I strongly hope so), on the next stages.
Rena. Well, after having seen the Rena of the first 4 episodes, there was always in me an inherited fear of her turning into Berserker mode again. (or is it just one character to go mad for each stage? Besides, both Rena both Mion went crazy in Onikakushi, when Rena was the main character. Now that in Watanagashi the main is Mion. I wonder.. geez.. so confusing :eyespin: ).
Keiichi, it's really a great character, but I really wouldn't like to be myself in his situation ^^ , his reactions are always fantastic though, the way he goes closer to the truth (or better saying, further from the lies), the more his expressions are good.
The last scene is a total winner, and pairs up a lot with the ending of episode 3 (when Rena rang the bell continuosly, at Keiichi's home). The hysterical laughters of Mion were really really impressive, and a nice closure to the episode.
As for happy or whatsoever.. my guess is that those were laughters of total madness.
And I also understood why it is so easy to confuse Mion with Shion (especially when on phone, and when only the voice can be heard). They have the same seiyuu , Kanai Mika , no wonder why I never recognize them! :heh:
Genial, cruel, insane, fascinating. In one word, Higurashi.
9/10
And I also understood why it is so easy to confuse Mion with Shion (especially when on phone, and when only the voice can be heard). They have the same seiyuu , Kanai Mika , no wonder why I never recognize them! :heh:
I assume you are looking at the wrong info written on animenfo.com (http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,3458,invgnk,higurashi_no_na.html). The correct seiyuu and their role(s) are:
Yukino Satsuki as Sonozaki Shion & Sonozaki Mion
Kanai Mika as Houjou Satoko
Surely, with the advent of wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni) and its ease of editting such simple errors, anime information sites would go down into obscurity in the near future.
Pellissier
2006-05-24, 14:53
I assume you are looking at the wrong info written on animenfo.com (http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,3458,invgnk,higurashi_no_na.html). The correct seiyuu and their role(s) are:
Yukino Satsuki as Sonozaki Shion & Sonozaki Mion
Kanai Mika as Houjou Satoko
Assuming well.. I noticed the fact of the seiyuu with double role yesterday while watching wind's translated ending credits. Though I didn't memorize the name. And besides, on the cast, the only two whose voice I would recognize among one thousand, are Nakahara Mai and Tamura Yukari. The others.. less.
Now, while posting, I took that info for granted and just took the name from animenfo. Thanks for the correction.
By the way, the concept remains the same. Same dubber, creates (wanted, and appropriate) confusion on the listener :)
Sinestra
2006-05-24, 20:00
i just loved the looked on Keiichi's face when he figuers out that all the things Shion said on the phone couldnt have happen because of the time frame it was like a H-Bomb went off in his head. but this episode cleared up somethings that everyone had been speculating about some of the story still confuses me a bit but i wouldnt expect anything less from the series
Whitemoon648
2006-05-26, 05:28
My comment on this episode and this series is:
I wouldnt recomend watching it at night time. i had night mares the whole night ^_^.
My comment on this episode and this series is:
I wouldnt recomend watching it at night time. i had night mares the whole night ^_^.
Yeah, I decided not to watch Higurashi at night since ep 3, it was giving me strange dreams. Unless I had School Rumble to flood my mind a bit after Higurashi :p
Pellissier
2006-05-26, 06:26
Yeah, I decided not to watch Higurashi at night since ep 3, it was giving me strange dreams. Unless I had School Rumble to flood my mind a bit after Higurashi :p
Buuh! :p
How comes I can't help but to watch it only when it's dark outside? ^^ I've tried during the day but I don't feel myself involved. It catches me much more in the darkness :uhoh: .. no, really :heh:
Desu? :p
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1719/mion04v29he.gif
*Insert hysterical quote here*
:joke:
Back to a bit more serious discussion, I'm looking forward to the subbed version of episode 8 since I'm really curious about the end of Watanagashi.
And I'm also looking forward to the Tatarigoroshi arc, wondering if it will be 4 episodes long (wiki says it's formerly shorter).
Last note: this show has surpassed Suzumiya Haruhi as my preferred show of the current year. If in the first review I made about the two (after few episodes) I was assigning "A+" to SH and "A" to HnNKn , I'm for reversing those marks.
They're both excellent, but Higurashi gets the "plus" for how much keeps me waiting for the following episode week by week. Must be the shuffling they do with episodes order in Haruhi, but I don't feel the same there.
Although, admittedly, it's a titan wars we're talking about ;)
I gave 9 to this episode. 9 only because, yes, that ladder scene is a complete failure. I really went like "WTF?" in the worst meaning. I was wondering how the actress could be so out of it, and how the team could let it be this way. I'm talking about the actress because if I'm not mistaken, seiyuu come always last, don't they? So that's part of their job to fit in what's been done, in my humble opinion. Like someone said, it's not like it would have been better if she screamed, but then, you have to rethink the animation because she IS supposed to scream. I don't know about the game or the novel, but looking at the animation without the sound, you can't imagine her voice otherwise.
It's not about the flan-like face. I'd even say it looks cool, when you think of what's happening... It just feels like the voice OR the animation have to be changed.
That's the first time in years I see such a spoilt scene in a overall excellent anime. Not scary, not disturbing, just really really weird. I only hope this would be redone for the DVD release... (dreaming)
And I hope I'm not only repeating what Pelly said. ^^
Well, I probably am...
I'm talking about the actress because if I'm not mistaken, seiyuu come always last, don't they?
Not really. Many seiyuu recordings are done when there are only static or very draft genga pictures are up on the screen. It's not unusual for seiyuus to act out when there is nothing but stick figures on the screen as well. So a certain scene may have the full cut animated already, but in the next scene they have to act out staring at a white blank screen. Hence, the seiyuus relies on the AR script and their professional acting skills to bring something to life - when nothing is brought to life at all.
Not really. Many seiyuu recordings are done when there are only static or very draft genga pictures are up on the screen. It's not unusual for seiyuus to act out when there is nothing but stick figures on the screen as well. So a certain scene may have the full cut animated already, but in the next scene they have to act out staring at a white blank screen. Hence, the seiyuus relies on the AR script and their professional acting skills to bring something to life - when nothing is brought to life at all.
Right, sorry... It's not like I wasn't awared of that but I thought it was only on rare occasions. If you tell me it happens more often than that, well of course I believe you.:heh:
Anyway, it doesn't the change the fact, but explains why this scene is bad... :p
Chibi Nasu
2006-05-30, 03:10
Yeah, most of the time in Japan, the seiyuu dub to simplified scenes, and the final animating is done afterwards *has a clip of what seiyuu watch when they record*
But yeah, the scene in question in Higurashi is questionable. It could have had so much impact, but because the facial expression was too extreme for the acting (or the acting was too tame for the expressions), it just came out awkwardly, I think.
Rena's voice actress was very good though, kana...kana moeee:love: :love: :love: . Rena chan :heeeaaart::love:
Rena's voise is so calm and protectively soothing when she is in serious mode:love:
Like 12 minutes into the episode..."Rena wa shitteiruyo".... Her words just melt me...Rena chaaaaannnnn:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Somehow I feel so safe when Rena is around, and Rena won't...EVER...disappear.:love: She has the big cleaver after all:love:. Rena = "sugoi-moe-protective-onee-chan-like-reliable-person" when she's serious:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: (such long word for the name:eyespin: )
Rena chan :heart:
Of course when Rena is in higurashi mode, then her "Rena wa shitteiruyo" scares the heck out of me:love:.....*me sugooii fear Rena....*/*me also lots lots :heart: Rena*:love:
Rena's voice actress was very good though, kana...kana moeee:love: :love: :love: . Rena chan :heeeaaart::love:
Rena's voise is so calm and protectively soothing when she is in serious mode:love:
Like 12 minutes into the episode..."Rena wa shitteiruyo".... Her words just melt me...Rena chaaaaannnnn:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Somehow I feel so safe when Rena is around, and Rena won't...EVER...disappear.:love: She has the big cleaver after all:love:. Rena = "sugoi-moe-protective-onee-chan-like-reliable-person" when she's serious:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: (such long word for the name:eyespin: )
Rena chan :heart:
Of course when Rena is in higurashi mode, then her "Rena wa shitteiruyo" scares the heck out of me:love:.....*me sugooii fear Rena....*/*me also lots lots :heart: Rena*:love:
I guess everyone got your point. :p
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-07-06, 08:34
well since season 2 has already started, I'm trying my best to catch up with season 1.....so far, I have gotten up to episode 7.
But I want to know one thing, does Mion really have a twin sister named Shion?
because if so, then...
that means at the end of this episode Keiichi was really talking to Mion instead of Shion because he had found out that Shion went missing after the festival and after their little visit inside that storage shack with all those gruesome weapons.
I really did think that Mion had killed Shion at this point...the reason Shion went missing, was to hid from Shion.
I think this chapter currently has the most twist and turns for now...I know I still have a lot more to go, but for now, this is leaving me in a loop on who is killing who...hahaha:) I'll try my best to comprehend and I guess episode 8 will be the conclusion of this chapter.
And BTW, Mion shaking the ladder in this episode = some freaky stuff I've never seen in any anime :twitch:
Not much of a spoiler since it is clearly shown in the opener but Mion and Shion are twins.
OkamiNoKaze
2010-01-30, 02:17
Wow, what an episode, quite creepy, and woah, for Mion's crazy face in this episode, now I was watching the dub version of this episode, I think they did a fairly good job of syncing up the scene. Also I'm glad I wasn't the only one to get some Fatal Frame 2 vibes of this series, specifically this arc
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