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Catgirls
2006-05-22, 11:43
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i haven't seen ep. 8 yet but i wonder if those winged people want to make a peace treaty or something.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-22, 16:01
2ch out
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2902031.htm
Didn't think yuuzha was that well develope
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9721/1148320988075b3014mg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-22, 16:53
yay! compulsary bathing scene! :D :D
*envies Jinsoo as she joins them*
>.>
Omniscient
2006-05-22, 16:54
Episode 08 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/05/22/utawarerumono-08/)
Introduction of Kamyu and Urutori. Lots of fun moments between Kamyu and Aruru (and Yuzuha). Kamyu is like a little kid in a very, erm, developed body. It was also funny watching Benaui get pissed off when Hakuoro disappears (and the work is piling up).
Daniel E.
2006-05-22, 17:08
I think you really need to put a spoiler tag and a warning/mature content label on that 2chan link Xellos-_^. :heh:
ASSFDSFsdsagoihagSFDAFAP!
o_o NEKKED ARURUU FTW<3
XD Xellos, you have made my day ;o
At least we got a proof males really have tails. Even Benawi has one! :heh:
http://dat.2chan.net/18/red/1148322885381.htm
Xellos-_^
2006-05-22, 17:30
I think you really need to put a spoiler tag and a warning/mature content label on that 2chan link Xellos-_^. :heh:
I swear those images weren't there when i posted it :p Honest, really it is true :D I have absolutely no knowledge of it ;)
With 2chan, you can never be too safe. :p
EDIT: Watching the ep now.
Something becomes very apparent within the first minutes of the episode. And that is that watching people who are basically having their first run at governing a nation is really funny to watch. :heh:
EDIt2:
OMG. Remember when those two kids went ahead and flipped Eruruu's tail? Well, two kids came about and pulled a couple of Munto's feathers. Apparently it's painful rather than, ehem...pleasurable. But it's still funny to watch. :p
EDIT3: Finished watching. Lots of great Kamyu moments. A nice breather between the action (next ep looks like everything'll go to hell again, with a new villain it seems). I liked this one. :)
mikemil828
2006-05-22, 23:49
My favorite part of the episode:
Mundo: HIME-SAMAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Oboro: Mundo, there isn't anything to worry ab-
Benawi: Hey, isn't your sis riding that tiger too?
Oboro: WHAT?! YUUU-ZUU-HAAAAAAAAAAA! *Gives Chase*
I said that once, and i will say again...
Hakuoro is THE MAN! :D
In a few months, he got to turn into a emperor trusted and respected by everyone and has many cute girls in love with him. Has one wanting to be his wife (Eruruu), one who he just know wanting to sleep in his bed (Kamyu) and one clearly stating she wants to sleep with him (Aruruu)! God knows what Yuzuha and Uruturii want to do with him, too... :heh:
No bad for someone found in a forest very hurt, without money, without memories and with a cursed mask glued in the face. ;)
I said that once, and i will say again...
Hakuoro is THE MAN! :D
In a few months, he got to turn into a emperor trusted and respected by everyone and has many cute girls in love with him. Has one wanting to be his wife (Eruruu), one who he just know wanting to sleep in his bed (Kamyu) and one clearly stating she wants to sleep with him (Aruruu)! God knows what Yuzuha and Uruturii want to do with him, too... :heh:
Hakuoro is starting to build his own Harem.. ? :twitch:
Tsk.. looks as if Shirou might have some competition.. :p
Hakuoro is starting to build his own Harem.. ? :twitch:
Tsk.. looks as if Shirou might have some competition.. :p
If you ask me, i think Hakuoro already proved to be a better harem male protagonist than Shirou. :heh:
At least, he is smarter, more intelligent, a natural leader, a far better tactian and, the best of all, a true grown-up matured man! Not a hot-headed teen who shouts "i want to be a hero of the justice" all the time. ;)
EDIT: For those interested in know, I just added at the Q&A - game chat (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=568009#post568009) the Game summary for the part covering episode 8, too. Take a look, if you want.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=568009&postcount=22
Well, the only thing I like about Shirou is his ideals and his personality. He doesn't back down from his ideal that easily. Not to mention that he's pretty strong too.....in the game that is.
Hakuruo's a natural born leader. No doubt about it. He can fight on the battlefield but I still think his speciality lies in leading his people, not fighting. This is pretty evident in his fight against Benui. How many times has he lost fighting Benui? The only thing I don't like about Hakuruo is that he's not really aware of the girl's feelings towards him (especially Eruru). At least Shirou dared to say he like Saber.
Anyway, I'm gonna watch the raw as soon as I get home from school. Its good to deviate from the war once in a while.
At least Shirou dared to say he like Saber.
After 20 episodes
Really I want more anime characters who aren't emotionally constipated
My favorite part of the episode:
Mundo: HIME-SAMAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Oboro: Mundo, there isn't anything to worry ab-
Benawi: Hey, isn't your sis riding that tiger too?
Oboro: WHAT?! YUUU-ZUU-HAAAAAAAAAAA! *Gives Chase*
Yeah, that scene was great.
I believe Oboro's actually saying "Munto, you sure are a worrywart!" which makes it even more hilarious.
I'm glad the viewer has this episode to relax before the next arc starts. Aruruw writing an "appendix" to Eruruw's report log was great, though it would have been funny if they showed the scene when Hakuoro flashes back to Eruruw's first attempt, where she's totally bugged out. I was wondering how they were going to do the runes, and I guess the speed-talk worked, though it would've been nice if it were something less human sounding.
Re: google trends...
I find it odd that there's so many searches coming out of Canada and the fact that lots of Japanese people are searching for it using the romaji.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-23, 20:41
Hakuro pwns shirou.
:p
KBTKaiser
2006-05-23, 23:16
Sheesh...it's 8 eps in and people are still messing up Hakuoro's name...anyone keeping track of how many screwups there have been?
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-05-24, 01:23
break up the name. it's easier to remember it that way.
Haku Oro (White Lord)
break up the name. it's easier to remember it that way.
Haku Oro (White Lord)
Two of the best character in Naruto. No wonder he is so popular.
AAAAARRRGGHHH!! Blasphemy! :eek:
Talking about Naruto here is forbidden!! :mad:
D: This episode was shoujo ai implied >_> XD
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-05-25, 01:19
that's impossible...
there's not supposed to be any such context........YET :p
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 01:31
D: This episode was shoujo ai implied >_> XD
everything shoujo-ai implied to you. :rolleyes:
There's a better implied girlxgirl relationship later on >_> <_<
Argh... where's the Eruruu x Hakuoro love?? -.-
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-05-25, 06:29
This is a war drama, mind you.
Romance.. or what passes as it, is there.. but it's really secondary and not the main point of the anime..
Eruruu x Hakuoro? >_> <_<
Shoujo ai FTW sorry ;p
:O Touka needs to like, get her butt in there and glomp Aruruu prease D:>
Fufufu, every anime can have shoujo/shounen ai thanks to some crazy fans like I ;D
Eruruu x Yuzuha? o_o With the girls we've got introduced so far, we can make a mountain of possiblities XD
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 08:57
I hope Hakuoro beds all the lasses If only to allow me to see Jinsoo's happy face crumble. muwahaha.
:D
This is a war drama, mind you.
Romance.. or what passes as it, is there.. but it's really secondary and not the main point of the anime..
Eh but it wouldn't be a drama without any emotions, and love (romance) is a big emotion. Hrm.. it even drives (feeds) hate/anger. :heh:
I hope Hakuoro beds all the lasses If only to allow me to see Jinsoo's happy face crumble. muwahaha.
I'd settle with that for second :D
Eh but it wouldn't be a drama without any emotions, and love (romance) is a big emotion. Hrm.. it even drives (feeds) hate/anger. :heh:
I don't think romantic love really has that much of an influence on the major events in the story. And you seriously can't say that Nuwangi was "in love" with Eruruw. A crush maybe, but definitely not romantic love.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 14:46
(ﾟｰﾟ)(｡_｡) I definately agree.
It was a crush, that he wanted to make something more, but he could only express it with the only thing he knows that works, violence and with his status. (*・_・)ノ⌒*
Oh Hakuoru~ He needs to learn how to swoon a woman better D: Strength is alright but~ ;o
AND. NOOOOOO~
>_>
<_<
*Takes Eruruu, Yuzuha, Touka, and Aruruu*
>_>
<_<
MINE! *flees* ;o
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-25, 19:54
well there you have it. End of the series, no more Utawaremono.
Jinsoo just took all the ladies, and of for some very hot yuri marathon action I suspect.
I hope your happy, series breaker. (~-~;)ヾ(-_-;)
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-05-25, 20:09
and I'll take Karura, Kuuya and Sakuya
bwahahaha
Kamyu is MIIIIIIIIINNNNEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Along with that other black-winged girl. :)
I don't think romantic love really has that much of an influence on the major events in the story. And you seriously can't say that Nuwangi was "in love" with Eruruw. A crush maybe, but definitely not romantic love.
:twitch: When did I ever say Nuwangi was in love with Eruruw? :uhoh: I meant that in a different context ~ e.g. Hakuoro loves Eruruw, Nuwangi kills Eruruw, Hakuoro HATES Nuwangi because he killed Eruruw who he loves. :heh: Apologies if I implied otherwise.
I'm hoping the sub comes out soon.. (else this thread will be shot to hell by bored *&^%$) :p
Kamyu is MIIIIIIIIINNNNEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Along with that other black-winged girl. :)
NO! Kamyu is all mine!! I chose her first!!! :eek:
RunningTARGET
2006-05-26, 07:14
There's a better implied girlxgirl relationship later on >_> <_<
My guess is the girl with the big sword and the samuri girl, why? Cause I've seen a few doujinshis with this theme allready so I took it as is. ;)
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-26, 09:12
My guess is the girl with the big sword and the samuri girl, why? Cause I've seen a few doujinshis with this theme allready so I took it as is. ;)
yuri girls who like big..long....swords.....:rolleyes:
Hass10wong
2006-05-26, 21:17
got a question...ep 8 didn't come out so how come some of u guys knows what' happens next?
got a question...ep 8 didn't come out so how come some of u guys knows what' happens next?
The raw of ep8's been out for nearly a week.
Many of us do download these.
bento-cube
2006-05-26, 22:35
For me, I watch the raws. I've got enough confidence in my listening skills to follow the elementary conversations, though the more technical terms escape me. ^^;
Yep. After I'm done watching the raw, I wait for the sub to come out and watch it so that I can fully understand or catch anything I've misinterpreted D;
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-27, 04:58
the subs are usually slow, so patience is virtue
RAW ownz you
Wandering_Youth
2006-05-29, 00:21
This was not that great of an episode. It's more of a filler showing the new characters and how all the ladies are having some care free fun around the palace. It was quite funny how Hakuoro was taking running away from important work when Benawi wasn't around.
The best scene has to be where Kamyu was trying to hide from Mukuru and how Mukuru just smacked that straw box Kamyu was hiding in. That to of hurt being throwing across the room with one tiger swipe.
Interesting things I've seen in the episode so far:
- It seems like the winged race knows some magic.
- Kamyu is quite...strong to be able to hog tie Munto up like that.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/438/snapshot200605282356284di.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200605282356284di.jpg) http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5669/snapshot200605282356084ib.th.jpg (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200605282356084ib.jpg)
Yep, it's what you think it is. But you'll say, "laughing?" And I say, "tail." And you go, "aww, so cute." :heh:
Now we got feather-winged people with magical-like abilities, who've come to greet Hakuoro in order to show off their assets. All assuming that they haven't been padding those assets during the introductions, which in case, are quite big to my eye. Not huge-huge, but big. Yet, hopefully not too much for Hakuoro to handle.
thundrakkon
2006-05-29, 01:37
A very nice, relaxing episode. You really do need these types of episodes to take a breather, and I felt this episode was great! It showed the transition to a new emperor and a new kingdom, with a lot of fun moments.
Hakuoro's comment in the end about how he wishes for this peace to last forever is pretty much foreshadowing that it won't last. Also, the end with Kamyu's comments of "see you again" and then fading off is kind of eerie in a way. It is as if the next time they will meet will be in tragedy.
It's also interesting how Oboro and Kurou are requesting to expand the country's military right now, at a time of peace, although, I am sure by midway through the series, Hakuoro's closest people can probably defeat an army. :heh:
I think it would be awesome if the Onkami allied with Hakuoro and have magic as well as air support; although, from what I've seen so far, they look like they are neutral beings.
Also, poor Eruruu.... being called a "sister"?!?! I am sure she is so crushed right now, and there is no one she can talk about it with either, considering everyone returned to the village.
Kamyu is really like a kid. I wonder how old she is?
Also, right now, I really don't know what is Yuzuha's purpose being on the show? She is sickly, doesn't interact much, doesn't appear to have any special powers, and doesn't appear to be in the running for Hakuoro. She doesn't provide comfort or support. I hope they do expand on her a little, since right now, Kamyu made more of an impact in one episode than Yuzuha did in all the previous episodes.
Kamui4356
2006-05-29, 01:51
Also, poor Eruruu.... being called a "sister"?!?! I am sure she is so crushed right now, and there is no one she can talk about it with either, considering everyone returned to the village.
Maybe Hakuoro is an imouto-con? Then being called that would be a good thing from Eruruu's perspective. :heh:
Anyway, I gave this episode an 8. It was a nice transition from the last arc. It does a nice job of properly introducing some new characters, and was funny as well. We see Hakuoro, while being a fair ruler, is also a bit of a slacker at administrative duties, leaving mounds of paperwork awaiting his approval while he's out to look at the moon over a nearby lake or trying to feed Mukuru. Well, at least he does it eventually... :heh: Also, isn't this the first time in the anime that we get to see Aruruu's fondness for honeycomb?
Episode 8 was cute and funny, I liked it a lot, I want to be hugged by Urutorii and Kamyu too. :p
Preview of the next episode showed that there will be war again, which indeed makes Hakuoro's wish that these days could stay forever even more sad. I'm sure even he realised that it is not possible.
Newsflash: episode 9 aired early due to some TV schedule shuffling (just a one-time thing). Omni has screenshots of it on his blog.
I'm going to get the raw tomorrow.
Sorrow-K
2006-05-29, 07:16
This was filler. I won't disagree with that. And I can't think of a reason why it was necessary either. Yet, I still highly enjoyed it.
I suppose the only really bad thing about this episode is that it momentarily breaks up the pacing, which has been superb to date. The story so far has continually to carry a very smooth and natural momentum about it; and I've never seen a visual novel to anime conversion do it anywhere near as well as here. Hell, as I've said on other anime, most visual novel to anime conversions can be criticized of being disjoined.
My theory is that Utawarerumono's story is fairly linear and, in a sense, simple, so it doesn't get caught up in unnecessarily over-the-top complexity that can potentially bog down the coherence of its story. With that said, a complex story shouldn't always lead to poor storytelling... but geez, someone needs to tell that to whoever's in charge of a lot of other visual novel to anime conversions. (I'm still pissed off at Fate/Stay Night, for those that can't tell).
Anyway, I digress. Never mind that this was filler, it was enjoyable nonetheless. I still have questions about Hakuoro's role as emperor. He doesn't appear to be cut out for the hectic life of leading a nation, and it wouldn't surprise me if he abdicated in the near future (or, at the very least, if the issue were brought up). I had to laugh at loli-fanservice... purely because I just didn't know how else to react. I think I'll just chalk that one up to pedo-pandering and move on as quickly as I can. Poor Eruru... she's looked upon by Hakuoro as a sister. I think this particular plot point could digress into an equilibrium and disappear onto the backburner for a number of episodes to come. I'm not sure what I think of it, but given it won't be the focus of the story, I'm sure it'll be used as a dramatic plot device later down the track.
Hakuro pwns shirou.No question. Hakuoro's shown more depth, complexity and charisma in a mere eight episodes than Shirou has in over twenty.Hakuoro is starting to build his own Harem.. ? :twitch:
Tsk.. looks as if Shirou might have some competition.. :pIt's not Shirou's harem though. He's never had ownership of that particular harem. That harem always has and always will be controlled by Tohsaka Rin.
Edit: Oh yeah, and before I forget... Holy crap the women of that winged race are stacked. I don't doubt they have high value of physicians, because I'd imagine their women get all sorts of back pains.
Well well.. thats a perfect episode.
Kamyu really is just the cutest thing ever.. well apart from Aruruu, but them to together, its just cuteness over-load. <3
Nexted episode looks like it back to the fights, looks a lil' bit depressing?
Anyway.. Yuuuuuuuuzuuuuuuuuhaaaaaaaaaa~
actually i'm kind of glad the feelings b/w hakuoro and eruruu are one-sided. hakuoro seems much older than eruruu and i dont really like hakuoro due to his monotone-ness. those characters bore me and i dont really want to see him together with anybody ... just a lonely hermit and that'll be fine >.>
i noticed in the OP that during the "war scene" all of the characters seemd to be fighting enemies with red armor. does that mean that the girl with the giant fan and the samurai trenchcoat (girl?) will be on hakuoro's side? and when do these characters appear in the game?
KBTKaiser
2006-05-29, 09:51
Too bad they didn't show the nickname session. What did Aruruu call her sister again? XD
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-29, 10:00
a scary person who laughs in her sleep?
Well, I did not see this episode as a filler..., to me this was an episode of transition; after the way we had the conclusion in the previous episode regarding the introduction and development of the first characters and the first arc, an episode of transition to the next arc was required.
An given this, the introduction of important characters for the up-comming episodes was also required.
It was a enjoyable, calm and serene episode in the end, much like many have mencioned.
But never the less I saw important things in it which might emphasise larger development later on in the series.
Things these which I can state out as Eruruu only beeing seen by Hakuoro as 'a sister' , when she does in fact love him.
This dis-regard.., well.., maybe its a harsh word.., better yet let's say.., the fact that he is un-aware of these feelings she has towards him, might lead to a very tragic development on behalf of Eruruu.., if it hasn't already.
We could clearly see that she was broken-hearted when he refered to her as such.., not to mencione she still has not been able to let go of her grandmother's death.., thus making her compleatly alone.
When Hakuoro chose the path for war.., It seems he was aware of most of the consequences..., altough I am more and more sure he has over-looked those of those who love him..
Thus slowly beeing consumed by war and related affairs.., it probably will be too short of too late when he realises what he could have chosen instead;
Even though he acknologes himself that he wished peacefull times could last.., he knows that from the moment the gear started to work.., it could not be stopped, sort of speak.
I belive all this we have seen regarding these aspects in this and in the previous episodes are seeds for a much larger turn in development in the future.., they are little seeds yes, but given time.., they will surely produce something extreamly important.
Another small 'seed' I belive I saw in this episode was regarding Kamyu.., clearly much like everyone has said.., she acts like a kid, only searching to have fun here and there with a little devious personality; but all of this just suports my theory that she surely is not related to the Onkami, this despite Urutorii having called her sister...
It seems clear to me that they are in fact not related, in fact we see her taking lessons from Munto as to how to learn to be more educated like everyone in the Onkami is.., something that Kamyu seems unable to follow..
I don't want to go into taking wild guesses here, because.., it is a bit soon for such aswell.., but clearly I belive that given all of this and of course.. the Black Wings.., Kamyu holds a much greater plot in the story then at first sight it seems.
All and all it was a good episode, I realy enjoyed how Benawi got upset and said "again..." when he saw Hakuoro leaving his duty's, and all the scenes with Aru-chan Yuzu-chi and Kamyu where pleasent to watch aswell.
So, I guess I will leave it with a 8.
And for the next week.., a new arc begins, for as we saw..., there will be more battles and it appears another antagonist is making his debut in that episode aswell.
well, i guess this episode is what happens after the war. funny how hakuoro escapes from his work and how benawi gets mad at him. oh! and the kamyu scenes are also funny too! especially the one when she hids herself in a box and mukuru sniffs her out of hiding :)
My theory is that Utawarerumono's story is fairly linear and, in a sense, simple, so it doesn't get caught up in unnecessarily over-the-top complexity that can potentially bog down the coherence of its story. With that said, a complex story shouldn't always lead to poor storytelling...
Utawarerumono is completely linear. You're given the illusion of choice by being allowed to visit locations in the order you want, but in the end you'll go through all the same scenes no matter what order you go through them. As for complexity, I'm wondering how the anime will handle the last part of the game which kinda went a wee bit bonkers.
Personally, I don't really understand most of the changes the anime has made in regards to the game so far. I mean, I can understand why they'd skip through material, but why did they, for instance
Make Hakuoro kill Sasante? In the game, Nuwangi kills him.
And why change the Eruruw - Nuwangi scene when Nuwangi is captured? It was much more emotional in the game. Also, while I understand airtime is limited, I really can't accept the fact that Nuwangi's death scene was cut, as it was a really great scene in my opinion.
I guess the creators want the audience to view the anime in a different perspectives especially for those who played the game
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-29, 15:14
hell yeah! next thing they'll do is make the twins female! go kyoani! make all those smug game-version fans CRY!
muwahahhehehaha!
:)
Hooray, caught up :D
I'll give it a 10, it's an episode I was waiting for, after all those battles. It's so nice when they decide to put one of those between conflicts.
About the male characters, I'll just keep it short :
Hakuoro for President :D (Benawi for President, too :p) Other male characters this season pale in comparison.
So many girls to pick... Hmm hmm... Oh well, I'll take all the loli-types (no need to be pure loli, just act like one or look like one :p) again :D Oh yeah, and Eruru, too :D
Poor Eruru... :sad: Although, it's anime, and as we all know, being related by blood or otherwise doesn't mean anything :p (Nemu FTW :D). Well, at least the OnKami didn't propose marriage to seal the alliance, we don't need to lose another physician :p Or maybe Eruru getting Oyashiro-sama vibes from heartbreak :p
Oh well, I wished there was another episode like that :p Thumbs up for this anime :D
Daniel E.
2006-05-29, 15:29
Took me quite a while to download this episode. :p
Let's see what we have here:
A very nice, relaxing episode. You really do need these types of episodes to take a breather, and I felt this episode was great! It showed the transition to a new emperor and a new kingdom, with a lot of fun moments.
Totally agree. I really liked this episode, and hopefully, it wont be last relaxing one the story shows us.
Also, isn't this the first time in the anime that we get to see Aruruu's fondness for honeycomb?
Yes I believe so, But I also remember reading this little bit of info quite a few times already. :heh:
I still have questions about Hakuoro's role as emperor. He doesn't appear to be cut out for the hectic life of leading a nation, and it wouldn't surprise me if he abdicated in the near future
Again I agree. I mentioned this a few times in the eps. 7 thread, and I still dont like to see Hakuoro as the emperor.
I guess that, in the end, Anime can only be Anime and putting the Hero at the center of everything is what anime does best...........
Oh wait, make that second best. Putting lesbians and lolis on almost every show is what anime ACTUALLY does best. :heh: :heh: :heh:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-29, 15:30
Oh wait, make that second best. Putting lesbians and lolis on almost every show is what anime ACTUALLY does best. :heh: :heh: :heh:
No. Hentai does that better.
:D
but i can't wait for the next episode, fighto! fighto! :D
there's a new bad guy for the next episode. this time, they have benawi and that big guy on their side. lemme see....that makes two more characters that we haven't seen that would join on their side.
KaneDragon
2006-05-29, 17:29
And no mention of Hakuoro's mask by the winged guests... Too, bad. Move along, people, nothing to see here... >_>
Kamyu ist just great! :heh: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7083/kamyu21tt.jpg
I gave this episode 10/10 points. Kamyu ist the cutest thing ever :D Too bad that she had to go home :(
I'm all for episodes like this one. It doesn't make if it's necessary or not. It's fun to do and it's nice to have a light episode after the heavy battle scenes. Lots of cuteness and tranquility. What's wrong with that? I died laughing when Kamyu started using shrubbery as covert camouflage.
ChainLegacy
2006-05-29, 20:22
While this episode had little going on I definitely enjoyed it. For all his seriousness, I found it fairly amusing that Hakuoro continually left his work. I myself am wondering just when and if Hakuoro the character will be explored.
you mean how he can't take off his mask? it's a mystery ain't it? makes you wanna watch it even more :)
I hate exams. Making me watch episodes late.
I disagree that this was a filler episode, okay, maybe it was, but to me it didnt seem fillerish at all; in fact, I think it was very much necessary, because not only does it (as someone said earlier) give that much needed break between fighting, but this episode has imho more character development than all the previous ones together.
Especially Eruruu, she really moved me in this episode, and made me remember that of all the characters, she is the most affected by this; seeing how the rest can go back to their village and normal way of life while she could not; also, she effectively does not have anyone to really love her or anyone to really confide in, with Tsukuru gone, and Hakuoro seeing her as imouto - its a total upheaval of her life, and she is all alone. Not bad character portrayal in this episode.
Looks like Benawi remains as samurai leader, or maybe something more (prime minister?), I'm happy. But he may be a source of conflict with Hakuoro later on. I also have to say that bgm for this episode was wonderful, at least the best so far, imo. I especially liked the theme playing during the trio's visit of the village streets. 10 from me.
I just had to include this screen cap; for some reason I found it really really funny.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3216/vlcsnap120153wr.th.png (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap120153wr.png)
Hmm, and theres also an obvious parallel between Urutorii/Kamyu and Eruruu/Aruruu. Interesting to see..
Parts I liked:
Seeing Hakuoro seated as Emperor..
Kamyu thinking she was invisible and running up the stairs when she saw Mukuru. Really, such a loli voice; reminded me of Hina. Hmm, who's her VA? Sounds really really familiar..
Kamyu trying to win Aruruu over, but Aruruu wising up every single time. She gave in to honey tho :rolleyes:
Kamyu and Aruruu and Yozuha on Mukuruu's back and Oboro's reaction :)
When Kamyu said: "The girl with that big thing" Ha ha. Hmmm... ZOMG!!!!
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3453/aaa8bi.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa8bi.jpg)
Overall : Refreshing episode, reaffirms my aim to continue watching this series.
Miles Teg
2006-05-30, 07:26
Kamyu thinking she was invisible and running up the stairs when she saw Mukuru. Really, such a loli voice; reminded me of Hina. Hmm, who's her VA? Sounds really really familiar..
Kamyu's VA is Rie KUGIMIYA (Karin / Bleach, Alphonse / FMA, Shana / Shakugan no Shana).
When Kamyu said: "The girl with that big thing" Ha ha. Hmmm... ZOMG!!!!
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3453/aaa8bi.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa8bi.jpg)
Overall : Refreshing episode, reaffirms my aim to continue watching this series.
You know what really make my day? That part sooner when Hakuoro said to Kamyu and Urutorii she could stay there as a guest too and she hug him happilly. At that scene, I just though Hakuoko would start to say to himself anytime "i will not have a hard-on, i will not have a...". :heh:
EDIT:
Jokes aside, i liked this episode, but i was rather disapointed by the lack of character development here. They never explained many things like in the game, like for instance...
- The way Benawi begged to Hakuoro to became the new emperor, and he was kinda forced into that;
- Hakuoro was not completely oblivious to Eruru's feelings. He saw her crying for her grandma, and though how much a fool he was for thinking she was okay;
- They never told Kamyu actually never had any friends, even though how much easy-going she is;
- They never showed Yuzuha becaming more and more healthy, too.
So much potencial for drama and character development what could spam more two or even three episodes, yet left behind. It's really a shame. :(
- The way Benawi begged to Hakuoro to became the new emperor, and he was kinda forced into that;
- Hakuoro was not completely oblivious to Eruru's feelings. He saw her crying for her grandma, and though how much a fool he was for thinking she was okay;
- They never told Kamyu actually never had any friends, even though how much easy-going she is;
- They never showed Yuzuha becaming more and more healthy, too.
So much potencial for drama and character development what could spam more two or even three episodes, yet left behind. It's really a shame. :(
They left so much out??? Seriously.. its :frustrated: Hmm.. hopefully they will do it in subsequent episodes, after all there are 17 or so more to go.
Yeah. If you read the game summary for episode 08 here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=568009&postcount=22), you will see how much they left behind.
so many important things missing. i guess they made the anime a rough summary of the game then :heh:
Orchunter226
2006-05-30, 19:47
The only thing that bothered me about that episode was Eruruu. I felt so bad for her. She seems so depressed, not just because Tsukuru died, but also because she likes Hakuoro and he doesn't return the feelings in the same way. He thinks of her as a sister and that made me kinda mad. Is he so thick-skulled he cannot see her feelings for him?
Hakuoro suffers the very common 'Harem Male Protagonist' Syndrom. Very smart to anything, except girls' feelings. :heh:
And because the lack of character development in this anime, we never saw how much of a great character he is.
Sorrow-K
2006-05-30, 23:42
And because the lack of character development in this anime, we never saw how much of a great character he is.You speak as if the anime is coming to a close and the chance for character development is gone. There's still plenty of episodes left, from my understanding.
The only thing that bothered me about that episode was Eruruu. I felt so bad for her. She seems so depressed, not just because Tsukuru died, but also because she likes Hakuoro and he doesn't return the feelings in the same way. He thinks of her as a sister and that made me kinda mad. Is he so thick-skulled he cannot see her feelings for him?
I guess the other reason is because Tuskuru have taken care of him when he was injured and became part of the family. So naturally, Hakuoro thinks that way. Aruruu calls him daddy because of his name.
-- and mukuru......well, that's just a random thought :heh:
A beautiful timed episode with proper pacing to explore the new introduced characters: Urutori and Kamyu.
I realize certain resemblances among the winged sisters in comparison to the tailed sisters.
For Urutori and Eruruu, I felt their bonding suggested that Urutori knows well from experience that Eruruu is traversing a painful depression, hurted because she's close but far away from a loved one and has not call forth courage to speak those feelings that day in and day out agitate her.
For myself I believe that Urutori once loved someone but lost him without ever let him know what she felt, and maybe sees her once naive, younger self in Eruruu coping on the same circumstance and, therefore, she's providing Eruruu comfort in her solitude.
Kamyu is the inverse opposite to Aruruu: openly outspoken and brash in contrast to being cautiously reserved and shy, though both share similar childish quirks.
Anyways, the episode displays us the fluctuating cycle of life. The previous moment conflict cried out for war, then the next comes peace to provide time for healing and rebuilding what was lost to fluorish once again, as it is my personal interpretation on Hakuoro quoting if it would be nice for things staying peaceful as they are.
And, in addition, the kids tearing the feathers from Muntos' wings literally meant him paying divine retribution for disdaining Eruruu's tea.
- The way Benawi begged to Hakuoro to became the new emperor, and he was kinda forced into that;
- Hakuoro was not completely oblivious to Eruru's feelings. He saw her crying for her grandma, and though how much a fool he was for thinking she was okay;
- They never told Kamyu actually never had any friends, even though how much easy-going she is;
- They never showed Yuzuha becaming more and more healthy, too.
Begged? I certainly don't remember that. Benawi did say that it was natural for the one who kindled the revolution to take responsibility for his actions or so, but I certainly don't remember him begging at any point.
As for Yuzuha getting healthier, that never happened in the game either. She continued to have spasms after they moved to the castle, it's just that Oboro no longer acted so overprotective and actually let her go outside which gave the impression that she had gotten "better".She did die quite soon after the game ended, probably in child birth. The epilogue shows Oboro at Yuzuha's grave, telling her that her baby is doing fine.
*snip*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUGGUGUHUUHUH!!!!
Beware fellows, there's a MAJOR game spoiler in his post!!
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-31, 07:58
She did die quite soon after the game ended, probably in child birth. The epilogue shows Oboro at Yuzuha's grave, telling her that her baby is doing fine.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUGGUGUHUUHUH!!!!
INNNNCEEEEEESSSSTTTT???????????!!!!!! :twitch:
She did die quite soon after the game ended, probably in child birth. The epilogue shows Oboro at Yuzuha's grave, telling her that her baby is doing fine.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUGGUGUHUUHUH!!!!
INNNNCEEEEEESSSSTTTT???????????!!!!!! :twitch:
Eh, maybe she did it with someone else and Oboro as her brother is looking after it? :p
But yeah, it's anime so anything goes :p
Eh, maybe she did it with someone else and Oboro as her brother is looking after it? :p
But yeah, it's anime so anything goes :p
Major spoiler...well, not really considering what kind of game this is
Hakuoro, though it's not specifically stated. I guess someone (Hello mister sister-con) could have pulled a quick one with her, but better leave that possibility unexplored.
^ Well, I doubt they'll do that in the anime though. I mean, it seems serious and well made enough (well, Fate SEEMED serious and well made and pretty much screwed up in that aspect after ep 14, but I hope Utawarerumono will respect the characters as they are developed now.)
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-31, 09:26
OOa...NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIII IIIIIIIIIII???
T_T...yuzuchi ....T_T ~.~
.... so we all have been spoiled.. maybe they should put passwords on those innocent and super-tempting "show" buttons.
Eh.
For Urutori and Eruruu, I felt their bonding suggested that Urutori knows well from experience that Eruruu is traversing a painful depression, hurted because she's close but far away from a loved one and has not call forth courage to speak those feelings that day in and day out agitate her.
For myself I believe that Urutori once loved someone but lost him without ever let him know what she felt, and maybe sees her once naive, younger self in Eruruu coping on the same circumstance and, therefore, she's providing Eruruu comfort in her solitude.
I felt that Urutorii was feeling that way partly because as she mentioned, she had feelings of nolstagia, having herself at one time undertaken the path of a physician, but apparently that reference to her "not knowing her place" probably means that her responsibility as priestess/diplomat/princess forced her to discontinue her pursuit of medicine.
Hence I feel that she wasnt really sympathising with Eruruu on this, just that she was just sympathising with her own inward feelings.
*finally* got to see this episode... and it made up for my mixed feelings about the "battle battle battle" of the last few episodes. Looks like a bone thrown to my wishes though since the next episode looks like back to violence as usual. There's a school of thought that the loud parts of a musical piece sound more impressive with the proper use of silence and quiet in the same piece.
Anyway, not necessarily a lot of character development except for establishing our little black winged beauty is a happy goofball (particularly liked the bedroom scene). I'm glad to see Yazuha get to sneak and have fun behind Oboro's overprotective smothering. Lots of happy fun bits and Hakuoro wishing it could just stay like this .... though he's hardly interacting with Eruruu at all --- she seems very very alone (points for the Onkami princess treatment of her).
The Onkami aide's nasty response to Eruruu being humble about her tea was kind of odd. Custom requires one to deprecate one's own efforts and offerings -- what did he want: Eruruu to *brag* about the quality of her tea? Ah well, he got his comeuppance from the princess. Also Hakuoro's offhand remark about his connection to Eruruu just stabbed her through the heart ---- gah, clueless males...
Rated it an 8 (very good) simply because the animation was mixed (some excellent, some iffy), and sticking all the "downtime" in one episode felt like they were shortshrifting it. Hope to see more episodes like this --- I *like* the battles but they mean much less when you don't get to see the reasons for fighting and why fighting should be avoided when possible.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-01, 03:41
The main problem with Fate Stay Night is rampant people spoiling everything without care.
The sad thing is, most of these people never even played the game and are just quoting what they know from Moonlit World.
And yet, they have the nerve to whine about it when the anime doesn't meet their made up expectations.
I surely hope Utawarerumono doesn't fall into that trap, but I already see the bad omens in the fandom.
Please learn from the past.
The main problem with Fate Stay Night is rampant people spoiling everything without care.
Eh, no, the main problem with Fate Stay Night is that after ep 14, the animators decided to take a break and produce questionable to crappy animation, the writers decided to ram their head against the wall in search of interesting stuff and came up with a 3D dragon and tons of unneeded and crude fanservice. And I SURE hope Utawarerumono doesn't head towards that direction.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-01, 06:09
you mean the dragon? oh, yes that was absurb. However, I'll take that over a silly out of place sex scene like in the game. In regards to this, the anime was actually less out of place, and the original game is to fault.
but in regards to that, yes, I do believe Hakuoro will have sex with someone. And on contrary to what you said, I believe it will happen BECAUSE the story IS taking things seriously.
It's a war drama, after all.
I think you misinterpreted there. I don't have a problem with a well-placed, plot-justified, carefully written sex scene (and the events that lead to that). And Fate failed in that aspect. I don't know which would have been worse really, the actual sex scene or the 3D dragon.
So, if Utawarerumono does have a sex scene I hope they'll take the time to shape the events leading there (something Fate didn't), no useless fanservice (something Fate hits you with all the time after ep 14), and be careful about how you imply what (3D Dragon??? I mean, come on...). Da Capo was pretty careful in that aspect. We all know Nemu and Junichi made love at some point, but it was carefully implied as to not be crude and out of place. I would love to see something like that in Fate instead of the 3D Dragon thingie (or even Soul Link's fanservice sex scene).
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-01, 13:09
I get your point, but I think you hinge too much on that one scene. And I still don't see this so called excessive useless fanservice that you speak off.
Did something really hit a nerve with you?
If you are offended that they didn't take the romanticized novel-esque way leading to sex then well, you'll have to remember that not every galgame anime is a highschool romance. Sometimes things are meant to be a mockery/flawed/impassionate/ect
npal's examples are just examples of pathetic writing... we should always ask for better in our anime. Is the sex or romance scene important to the story or is it there because the writing sucks and they're throwing T&A to cover for it? :)
So far, this series has been pretty spot on other than my own desire for it not to trample the character interactions in favor of action sequences. So far its been *fairly* balanced in that regard. Lets hope it stays on course that way whether or not Hakuoro gets any romance time.
You know, if they wanted to have sex, that's another matter.
But Rin feeling Saber, kissing Shirou "to get them in the mood" in order to perform the "mana recharging ceremony"... I mean... really, am I watching hentai here? I haven't seen many bishoujo games converted to anime that keep that sort of crappy scenario/excuse for having sex. Plus, even in a game, I'd think that excuse for having sex is pretty bad writing and it happens in many bishoujo games. I mean... damn, at least western porn doesn't pretend to have a good plot :p. They could have gotten away with the sex-> mana recharge issue like all other converted games that have discarded all the scenes that don't tie up with a decent plot.
They can get physical for all I care, that has nothing to do with crappy writing. It's one thing to say "let's just have sex" and another to seriously baptize it "ceremony for mana recharge".
That anime was nice before that whole crap. That and ep 18 needless Sakura fanservice.
I seriously hope there's no idiotic ceremony like that in Utawarerumono.
I seriously hope there's no idiotic ceremony like that in Utawarerumono.
I seriously hope there's no poor quality rendered CGI Dragon(Chicken? Dog?) in Uta-mono either :p
Oh yeah, that, too. CG so far have been at least decent. I mean, while it's apparent that some sequences ARE CG, like some battle sequences, they are still not unpleasant like Fate's 3D dragon.
Utawarerumono can work without any of the sex scenes, I believe. IIRC they have a PS2 version planned with this kind of change in mind.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-01, 20:55
Utawarerumono can work without any of the sex scenes, I believe. IIRC they have a PS2 version planned with this kind of change in mind.
sure, but it only works because they had the sex scenes in it the first time round. :p
Like lots of other successful Eroge to anime conversion, you make it dirty first, the clean it up depending on the market.
just like any comedian can attest, "you make the joke clean first, then make it dirty to suit the audience."
:D
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-01, 23:14
lol, the dragon in F/SN was a little bleh...don't tell me Saber is having a lust of a dragon ~.~
anyway, yea Utaware can work without and h-scenes, but i don't think it will even have any...
Btw, I'm just wondering, how come only Kamyu has black wings and the rest of her people were white winged? (in any case it looks cool)
Btw, I'm just wondering, how come only Kamyu has black wings and the rest of her people were white winged? (in any case it looks cool)
From what I can tell Kamyu appears to be the only Onkamiyaryuu with black wings. Of course we haven't seen many others, but so far the only other person with black wings is that girl at the end of the OP. The two have similar hair as well.
I'm pretty sure there's a connection between the two, or perhaps a similar origin. This is all speculation at the moment, at least relative to what's been animated.
From what I can tell Kamyu appears to be the only Onkamiyaryuu with black wings. Of course we haven't seen many others, but so far the only other person with black wings is that girl at the end of the OP. The two have similar hair as well.
I'm pretty sure there's a connection between the two, or perhaps a similar origin. This is all speculation at the moment, at least relative to what's been animated.
The fact that Kamyu's sister has white wings and her to have black wings, makes me wonder if they really were sisters to begin with. Light side and dark side :heh:
Or maybe Kamyu is destined to be some sort of Death messenger :p
Or maybe Kamyu is destined to be some sort of Death messenger :p
now that's a thought that can be ponder :)
You know if you look a little closer on your avie Shinova, that girl somehow resembles Kamyu.
Or maybe Kamyu is destined to be some sort of Death messenger :p
so... when Death arrives to take you to Valhalla, it arrives in a *pouncetacklesnuggle* form of a cuddly perky bit of cute noise with black wings.
I see ... :)
Well, either that or Momo, I don't mind :D Certainly Death's gonna be sweet if one of them comes to take me.
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-02, 07:18
lol, Kamyu or Momo will cute you to death ~.~
imagine yourself dying and will be taken by kamyu or momo themselves :heh:
Furudanuki
2006-06-02, 13:48
imagine yourself dying and will be taken by kamyu or momo themselves :heh:
If your time is up that would be a pleasant way to go. Unfortunately, with my luck I'd wind up with a shinigami like Kenpachi instead. :(
Kenpachi :p LOL
Nah, depends on whether you know his philosophy.
Just tell him "Playing is important. You can work whenever you want." :p
If your time is up that would be a pleasant way to go. Unfortunately, with my luck I'd wind up with a shinigami like Kenpachi instead. :(
:heh: if kenpachi is the one taking you then that means that it's straight to hell :heh:
Nah, if he has yachiru with him, you'll probably get lost along with him :p
Xellos-_^
2006-06-02, 14:19
imagine yourself dying and will be taken by kamyu or momo themselves :heh:
I will go where ever they want to take me :heh: :p :D
Xellos, if THOSE two come to get US, we're both going straight to Hell :p
Xellos-_^
2006-06-02, 14:51
Xellos, if THOSE two come to get US, we're both going straight to Hell :p
Since we are both going to hell anyway. i think it is worth it. One last trip with a cute girl.:D Beats getting collected by skull guy with the scyth.
I think Kamyu's adopted.
I stated the same speculation in my post (yes, the big one^^), altough I am not surprised no one read it :p
It is my burden for making such big posts :)
Never the less.., I agree with this possibility, since everything that it has been given to us on behalf of Kamyu realy emphasises the fact that she clearly does not belong with the Onkamiyaryuu.
The black wings, personality, she was even still beeing adress by Munto on as how to behave like those of her country, and she did not have any friends prior to Aru-chan aswell.
The fact is.., she beeing Urutori's sister does not seem right at all.., clearly I belive there is a much more deep plot in this.
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-02, 21:48
Kamyu ish Urutorii's stepsister?? @.@
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