[Manga] Chapter 308 Discussion [Archive]

ccardoso

2006-05-25, 05:43

As I thought Sasuke is shown as some kind of dreadnaught... now the only thing which misses is that he kills Kyuubi in that cage and end Naruto (the character and the serie). :rolleyes:
I'm not on a Naruto fanboy rant: I don't like Naruto very much too, but I think they're exaggerating with Sasuke's power. I mean he owned two jounins and a jinchuuriki (or how it's spelled) in 3-4 manga pages, which is about one minute at best.
Then he enteres the Kyuubi cage and stops it with only one hand, like Naruto is doing, as he always had it inside of his body. This is getting more and more ridiculus: Orochimaru had serious problems just with an underpowered version of Kyuubi, while Sasuke is standing in front of the full powered Kyuubi with no problems...
Not to mention from when Kyuubi asks Naruto to merge their powers? I mean: during the fight against Orochimaru Kyuubi grabbed Naruto in his hands and took over... now he's kindly asking Naruto?!? What's the logic of this?

Ah of course I didn't mention Sakura because she's totally useless.

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 05:44

Mirtual

2006-05-25, 05:45

The chapter itself is good.
This fight is far from over, but up until this moment it looks like Sasuke in on an entire diefferent level then everyone else there. Yamato is half dead now, Sakura and Sai can't touch him, and somehow he managed to get inside Narutos head, so deep that he can talk with the Kyubi.
His Sharingan control seems to have come to an impressive level.
This whole fight (if you want to call it that way) makes me wonder how Naruto, Yamato, Sai and Sakura are supposed to get out of their alive.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 05:50

Mirtual

2006-05-25, 05:51

Kusanagi is unique and Orochimaru is its owner so I don't know why they are using the same name for it? Maybe Orochi passed it on to him...

As for Sasuke removing the seal... suddenly it seems so easy to undo the great Yondaime's ultimate technique...
Well, it is something happening inside his head, most likely genjutsu, and Uchihas do not have an quivalent on that field.
And it makes perfect sense that Orochimaru gave Sasuke the sword. In the legend the sword together with the genius (there it was a person called Yamato) made Hachibi as strong as Kyubi.

As I thought Sasuke is shown as some kind of dreadnaught... now the only thing which misses is that he kills Kyuubi in that cage and end Naruto (the character and the serie). :rolleyes:
I'm not on a Naruto fanboy rant: I don't like Naruto very much too, but I think they're exaggerating with Sasuke's power. I mean he owned two jounins and a jinchuuriki (or how it's spelled) in 3-4 manga pages, which is about one minute at best.
Then he enteres the Kyuubi cage and stops it with only one hand, like Naruto is doing, as he always had it inside of his body. This is getting more and more ridiculus: Orochimaru had serious problems just with an underpowered version of Kyuubi, while Sasuke is standing in front of the full powered Kyuubi with no problems...
Not to mention from when Kyuubi asks Naruto to merge their powers? I mean: during the fight against Orochimaru Kyuubi grabbed Naruto in his hands and took over... now he's kindly asking Naruto?!? What's the logic of this?

Ah of course I didn't mention Sakura because she's totally useless.
The fight is not over yet.
But Sasuke must be insanly strong, after all he is supposed to get up against Itachi. And as much as I agree that it is somehow ridiculous seeing Sasuke owning everyone I have to say we should get used to Sasuke being "overpowered" until the end of Naruto.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 05:52

Sasuke beats down a Jounin like Yamato now, without even using the CS ... scary ^^.

ccardoso

2006-05-25, 05:53

Sasuke still seems cautious of Kyuubi.

Sasuke is soo good now, and can create a Chidori like chakra flow around his body and sword *-*, and its like a mini Kusangi, maybe Orochimaru clones other things than humans haha ^^.

Omg does Sasuke look good in battle of what, go Sasuke ! tear that kyuubi brat in half kekke ~_^.

Im worried about kyuubi making a move on my sasuke though, he's too cocky^^.
Lol don't even joke around in comparing Kyuubi and Sasuke in power... Kyuubi is the most powerful entity in Narutoverse and this will be till the end. Anyway the only loser here is Naruto. But he's a true loser if this ownage will go on...

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 05:54

They won't win this fight, but they'll probably get out there alive if:

a) akatsuki enters
b) orochimaru interrupts the fight (they want team 7 to take out some akatsuki for them)
c) sasuke finds them too pitiful and not worthy to receive the finishing blow

Yamato is out, Sai is out. Only Sakura and Naruto remains. Sakura as usual, probably can't do anything. Now Naruto is in danger of losing Kyuubi's power for good and he was dead tired to begin with. Probability of them winning is extremely low, and that would make Sasuke's entrance after a year off 'uncool'. Unless Naruto can go SSJ2, he can't win. :heh:

A random thought: Maybe the Uchiha has a power to absorb a junchuriki's power into himself.

ccardoso

2006-05-25, 05:54

Im worried about kyuubi making a move on my sasuke though, he's too cocky^^.
Lol don't even joke around in comparing Kyuubi and Sasuke in power... Kyuubi is the most powerful entity in Narutoverse and this will be till the end. Anyway the only loser here is Naruto. But he's a true loser if this ownage will go on...

The fight is not over yet.
But Sasuke must be insanly strong, after all he is supposed to get up against Itachi. And as much as I agree that it is somehow ridiculous seeing Sasuke owning everyone I have to say we should get used to Sasuke being "overpowered" until the end of Naruto.
What is left? Sakura? :heh:

Rachy

2006-05-25, 05:55

Lol don't even joke around in comparing Kyuubi and Sasuke in power... Kyuubi is the most powerful entity in Narutoverse and this will be till the end. Anyway the only loser here is Naruto. But he's a true loser if this ownage will go on...

Well Yamato said Naruto is stronger without using the kyuubi chakra ~_~ so how does that work?

Syaoran

2006-05-25, 05:58

308: Sasuke's strength
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Short Summary:
Sasuke now has freed his Katana and Sakura, Sai and Yamato look with horror at Sasuke when he swings the Kanata towards Naruto to kill him.
Just when Sasuke is about to stab Naruto in the back, Sai comes in between an hold Sasuke's arm and taking out his own knife. Sasuke tells Sai that trying to prevent it is not the right solution.
Now that Sai hold one arm, Naruto takes Sasuke's second arm, jumps around backwards and they're holding Sasuke now. Yamato makes a seal for using a special Mokuton jutsu on Sasuke, who activeates his Sharingan at the upcoming threat.
Sasuke frees himself using a jutsu called Chidorinagashi, pushing Naruto and Sai back and splitting Yamato's mukuton jutsu into pieces. Sasuke is surrounded by some electricity like barrier.
Naruto and Sai are smacked on the ground and Naruto's necklace with Tsunade's crystal lies next to him. Sasuke is completely freed. Sakura thinks Sasuke uses his entire body for Chidori.
Sasuke is standing in the middle, Naruto and Sai laying at his feet, Sakura and Yamato glaring at him.
Sakura remembers someone telling her he's accompanied this time (I think it's Naruto stating she accompanies him). She fixes Sasuke and runs towards him starting to swing her right arm to punch Sasuke, yelling at him she's stom him with her own power.
Sasuke sends some of kind of power or chakra to his katana, looks emotionless at Sakura and is ready to stab her with it.
Yamato: “These eyes... This is dangerous” At that time gets back into action. He stands in bewteen Sasuke and Sakura, trying to deflect the katana with two kunai,which are getting cut like a cake by Sasuke.
Sasuke's katana slides swiftly into Yamato's shoulder, blood gushing out of the fresh wound. Sasuke continues to push and Yamato ends with his back against the rubble. Sasuke tells him his defense totally failed.
Sakura yells “Captain Yamato!”, who's holding the katana that has pierced his shoulder. Sasuke tells Yamato his Kusanagi is a bit special and that his defense is nothing for it.
Yamato feels his body is getting numb. “Is the Chidiro flowing down his blade?”
That's how he was able to increase it's cutting to an extreme and to get me numb after the cut.
Sasuke turns around surprised while holding Yamato with hisKusanagi and sees Naruto getting slowly up again. The necklace being broken, Kyuubi's chakra is flowing again, starting to transform Naruto again... more distinctive whisker-like marks, his nails and teeth growing sharper.
The Kyuubi us now launghing and telling Naruto to take his chance now.
Naruto stands in front of Kyuubi's cell inside his mind... The Kyuubi is telling Naruto to show them their power now. Naruto doesn't answer it.
Kyuubi: “Why ? What are you hesitating for?”
Kyuubi is slowly materializing in front of Naruto, outside his prison.
Kyuubi: “Do you need my power now?”
A boiling Kyuubi chakra entity is looking at Naruto, showing it's sharp teeth and asking : “Who do you want to kill ?
Naruto tells Kyuubi not to come out anymore.
Kyuubi: “What do you fear?”
Naruto: “You power is not needed anymore!”
Kyuubi now starts laughing at Naruto and is very pissed at him.
Kyuubi: “Who was the one asking him to lend him some power ? You should now you can't do anything alone. Remove the seal! All my power will be yours.”
Naruto yells at Kyuubi to disappear!
Kyuubi: “You are...”
At that moment, Sasuke's hand touches Kyuubi.
Sasuke poses his hand on a raging Kyuubi's nose. Naruto is totally surprised to see Sasuke standing calmly next to him.
Kyuubi seems to know Sasuke: “So you're an Uchiha. You've grown quite well.”
Looking at Sasuke, Naruto asks: “Why are you...?”
Sasuke answers: “I can see now. This was your hidden power.”
“Who would have know you had this inside of you.”

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 05:58

Yamato's words probably foreshadowed what will happen next chapter. Naruto losing the Kyuubi and has to discover his own strength. If people's theory are correct that Naruto has Yondaime's blood, then he should have that ability.

ccardoso

2006-05-25, 05:59

Well Yamato said Naruto is stronger without using the kyuubi chakra ~_~ so how does that work?
What can he do against an enemy who can enter the very core of his seal and treat Kyuubi as a useless pet? :rolleyes:
I remember you that inside the cage Kyuubi is at full power so Kishimoto is showing us that Sasuke > Kyuubi (9 tails) while he made us always believe Kyuubi is some kind of unreachable god. It's really annoying this overpowered Sasuke not for Sasuke himself, but because it's really too much.

Mirtual

2006-05-25, 06:00

Lol don't even joke around in comparing Kyuubi and Sasuke in power... Kyuubi is the most powerful entity in Narutoverse and this will be till the end. Anyway the only loser here is Naruto. But he's a true loser if this ownage will go on...

What is left? Sakura? :heh:
Well, if Naruto survives that Genjutsu hit by Sasuke he might be able to do something to with the help of Kyubi.

Well Yamato said Naruto is stronger without using the kyuubi chakra ~_~ so how does that work?
Yamato didn't knew what he was talking about.
On a side note, what else was there to say? "Naruto I will seal that demon since everyone is afraid of it's power. You will be a little worthless Genin with no skills at all after that, but please play along. Hey, you could join Gaara in the Ex-Jinchuuriki looser club after it."

What can he do against an enemy who can enter the very core of his seal and treat Kyuubi as a useless pet? :rolleyes:
I remember you that inside the cage Kyuubi is at full power so Kishimoto is showing us that Sasuke > Kyuubi (9 tails) while he made us always believe Kyuubi is some kind of unreachable god. It's really annoying this overpowered Sasuke not for Sasuke himself, but because it's really too much.
Calm down, it's not like he did beat him. He is just there talking cocky.

BTW, there is still "that jutsu" for Naruto.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 06:00

Yamato's words probably foreshadowed what will happen next chapter. Naruto losing the Kyuubi and has to discover his own strength. If people's thoery are correct that Naruto has Yondaime's blood, then he should have that ability.

but kyuubi still had more chakra than Yondaime. If Naruto is stronger without using kyuubi chakra that doesnt make kyuubi the strongest thing in narutoverse eh ;).

Yamato didn't knew what he was talking about.
On a side note, what else was there to say? "Naruto I will seal that demon since everyone is afraid of it's power. You will be a little worthless Genin with no skills at all after that, but please play along. Hey, you could join Gaara in the Ex-Jinchuuriki looser club after it."

See people dont wana use that fact now ~_^.

BTW, there is still "that jutsu" for Naruto.

That's either going to be revealed now or it was the chakra beam thing 4 tails used.
See people dont wana use that fact anymore lol ^^.

~~ And did you see Sasuke was going to stab Sakura with that chidori sword thing?!?! .. Sasuke your so heartless =( but that takes out my competition ~_^.

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 06:12

At first, I thought "that jutsu" maybe the one to unseal the kyuubi. But if Sasuke can do it too, then "that jutsu" has got to be something else.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 06:13

At first, I thought "that jutsu" maybe the one to unseal the kyuubi. But if Sasuke can do it too, then "that jutsu" has got to be something else.

Where was it said Sasuke can do it?

An Uchiha that Kyuubi knows, what's that power?!

Whats up with Kyuubi knowing Uchiha, and even more so the translation said one he knows, it's confusing.

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 06:17

I guess I should've emphasized the IF. Well, there's assumption that since Sasuke is in 'Kyuubi's room', he might be able to rip off the piece of paper there himself.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 06:22

I guess I should've emphasized the IF. Well, there's assumption that since Sasuke is in 'Kyuubi's room', he might be able to rip off the piece of paper there himself.

I think if Sasuke tries to it will like .. burn him or shock him or something ..

If he did rip it off it would kill Naruto wouldn't it?

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 06:22

Rachy

2006-05-25, 06:24

If Sasuke can access Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi that easily, Yamato should die asap. Cause that means Kakashi can also control Kyuubi with just Sharingan. Also, Itachi should take a note, he can try using MS on Kyuubi after entering Naruto's mind - creating a new technique, double Sharingan.

Sasuke has a special bond with Naruto maybe that's why he can, i dont think any mediocre uchiha like kakashi and itachi can do such a thing, Sasuke's ability alone.

Yamato should get taken over by Orochimaru.

Sarugaki

2006-05-25, 06:27

So Sasuke can read Naruto's thoughts and even interact with them. That's impressive, sasuga tensai!

Any link to the real purpose of the sharingan ?

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 06:29

If Sasuke can access Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi that easily, Yamato should die asap. Cause that means Kakashi can also control Kyuubi with just Sharingan. Also, Itachi should take a note, he can try using MS on Kyuubi after entering Naruto's mind - creating a new technique, double Sharingan.
Maybe that's what separate a pure blood Uchiha from Kakashi. It's not always the Sharingan but a special ability inherited (only for the top Uchihas) that allows them to communicate and maybe interact with a demon directly.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 06:37

Maybe that's what separate a pure blood Uchiha from Kakashi. It's not always the Sharingan but a special ability inherited (only for the top Uchihas) that allows them to communicate and maybe interact with a demon directly.

If that was true Itachi would have done it, the only one who can get that deep into Naruto is his best friend -- Sasuke.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-25, 07:10

You guys keep calling Sai a jounin....when was it said that he was a jounin??

At first i thought Yamato was a bunshin...but that idiot really got hit :S..
Also the first impression that i got was that Sasuke...no Naruto was done talking and Sasuke made his move...but somehow he entered his mind...

I guess Ino's/Dad's Mind Transfer (Shinten shin?) or (Shinran Shin?) Mind confusion isnt so original anymore or powerfull compared to this.

Obviously they WILL stand a chance against Sasuke but this is kinda absurd.
Anyway...i am glad Sasuke joined Naruto's mind...right now the Kyuubi should rip him apart and beat the shit outta Sasuke...
if the Kyuubi or Naruto has some dignity they WILL do some terrifying damage to Sasuke....this is a seriously insult what Sasuke did.

Also IF Sasuke would somehow defeat the Kyuubi then...i'll pack my stuff and leave..cuz that would make demons pathetic and Akatsuki's job would be a mere hobby instead of an ambition.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 07:12

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-25, 07:16

Of couse he wont beat the Kyuubi, dont be silly.

Yamato was Jounin and Sasuke beat him with any CS or anything, Sasuke > Jounin.

Sasuke = Kage lvl? lol.

I was actually talking about Sai... and this Sasuke > Jounin is nonsense...
Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Gai are all jounins...and they would whoop Sasuke's *** before he can even say...Chi----

Mizuno

2006-05-25, 07:17

Yamato getting hit like that was really amateurish. Using a kunai of all things to try to block a sword. Even without knowing it's the Kusanagi, that would be a dumb move. He should have summoned a wall of wood but I guess he didn't have time to think logically when Sasuke was going for the attack. But he's an elite anbu for god's sake... :rolleyes: Pitiful way for Yamato to be taken out of the action.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 07:18

was actually talking about Sai... and this Sasuke > Jounin is nonsense...
Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Gai are all jounins...and they would whoop Sasuke's *** before he can even say...Chi----

Sasuke took out a Jounin with ease =\. And Jiraiya winded up really hurt by Naruto, i doubt Orochimaru or Jiraiya could take him out easily.

And as for Gai, with 8 gates it seems unfair its like Gai 8 gates > anyone lol.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-25, 07:30

Both Orochimaru and Jiraiya got trashed by Naruto 4tailed...i wont be suprised if that would be the same for anyone else..getting in that forms path.

Anyway Yamato was put a side too easily...if you ask me Kishimoto should've left him out instead of losing or dieing in such a pathetic way. If he wanted to get rid of him already he should've done it another way.

Sasuke has a special bond with Naruto maybe that's why he can, i dont think any mediocre uchiha like kakashi and itachi can do such a thing, Sasuke's ability alone.

Yamato should get taken over by Orochimaru.

How can you call Kakashi or Itachi mediocre? This is a serious insult girl...and you know it! Dont tell you were joking cuz it wasnt funny :p...anyway it's still too soon to judge..except that Yamato lost miserable. I expect more of ANBU's finest or outstanding shinobi.

Rachy

2006-05-25, 07:34

Both Orochimaru and Jiraiya got trashed by Naruto 4tailed...i wont be suprised if that would be the same for anyone else..getting in that forms path.

Anyway Yamato was put a side too easily...if you ask me Kishimoto should've left him out instead of losing or dieing in such a pathetic way. If he wanted to get rid of him already he should've done it another way.

It was to show you that Naruto 4tails is so "great", yet everyone is complaining about Sasuke's power but Naruto 4 tails is still thought to be stronger now, i dont get it, of course Sasuke has to be this strong if hes going to stand up to Naruto.

How can you call Kakashi or Itachi mediocre? This is a serious insult girl...and you know it! Dont tell you were joking cuz it wasnt funny ...anyway it's still too soon to judge..except that Yamato lost miserable. I expect more of ANBU's finest or outstanding shinobi.

Expect to be disspointed :p.

and Itachi and Kakashi are mediocre, compared to Sasuke.

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 07:51

I think this fight will end because Sasuke will escape Orochimaru. Remember, he has to leave him sooner or later unless he wants to die, and time is really running out for him. I guess I was naive thinking Sasuke might still consider Naruto and Sakura friends, especially with him being set up as an enemy, probably to last until the very end of the manga. I'm especially intrigued by the mentioning of the old legends that said genius + kusanagi + hachibi = kyuubi in strength, Kishimoto certainly seems to be going in that direction.

Also I'm still convinced that that jutsu was simply Naruto unleashing all those tails. What else could possibly earn a strong warning from Jiraiya, while also stating that Naruto's biggest problem is that he becomes too hotheaded and loses control. If unleasing the tails isn't that jutsu, then kind of crazy shit are we in for?

Edit: I was looking up the nagashi (流し) part of "chidori nagashi" to get a better understanding of the jutsu, and was suprised to find it meant kitchen sink. :p

Edit#2: For those who wondered about the source of Sasuke's chidori nagashi, Sakura observes that it's his entire body! :eek:

Edit#3: Upon further reading I figure the nagashi part most likely comes from nagasu, which means to drain, pour or flush.

I really ought to read it all through before my first edit (or post even :p).

Rachy

2006-05-25, 07:56

Also I'm still convinced that that jutsu was simply Naruto unleashing all those tails. What else could possibly earn a strong warning from Jiraiya, while also stating that Naruto's biggest problem is that he becomes too hotheaded and loses control. If unleasing the tails isn't that jutsu, then kind of crazy shit are we in for?

I agree that beam from the mouth was crazy enough and Jiraiya warned him about it agggggeeeessss ago, it's just naruto fan dreaming Naruto will get the Hiraishin ^^'.

I'm especially intrigued by the mentioning of the old legends that said genius + kusanagi + hachibi = kyuubi in strength, Kishimoto certainly seems to be going in that direction.

I always wanted Sasuke getting a demon, but do the legends really say that? O.o

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 08:00

I always wanted Sasuke getting a demon, but do the legends really say that? O.o

I dunno, I was just intrigued by someone mentioning it in this thread. :) Though I remember reading something similar before... though the source would most likely have been no more trustworthy.

Edit: Hmm... according to kyuubi's reaction I would guess that entering a jinchuuriki's mind and interacting with a bijuu is something only Uchihas can do, and only very strong ones. After initially being very suprised, he went something like this: "Oh, so you were an Uchiha, huh? You've done very well to grow this strong."

Rachy

2006-05-25, 08:19

I dunno, I was just intrigued by someone mentioning it in this thread. :) Though I remember reading something similar before... though the source would most likely have been no more trustworthy.

Edit: Hmm... according to kyuubi's reaction I would guess that entering a jinchuuriki's mind and interacting with a bijuu is something only Uchihas can do, and only very strong ones. After initially being very suprised, he went something like this: "Oh, so you were an Uchiha, huh? You've done very well to grow this strong."

Maybe .. Whats with that .. do you think thats actually Sasuke or jus a mind thing? he still must just be standing theyre and not moving with Sakura and Yamato lol, Why didn't Itachi ever use this? is Sasuke the only one that can? >_>

Maybe Kyuubi knows the leader ^o^.

Tettsuo

2006-05-25, 08:32

Waaaayyy too much hype about Sasuke.

Sasuke simply caught everyone off-guard. No one has been able to do what Sasuke is doing so how would any of them be prepared for it? They wouldn't. Who would have thought that Sasuke would be able to cut through a kunai when NO ONE in the manga thus far has done that? Oro sure, but Sasuke? Naw. Not to mention his ability to create a Chidori field around himself that weakens everyone. And he's faster than anyone expected him to be.

So, I'm sure he looks great at the moment, but also positive that Naruto will be able to match him without Kyuubi.

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 08:33

Maybe he learned about it from Orochimaru... :confused: Of course, Orochimaru couldn't have done it himself, but since he seems to have a strong connection to hachibi, maybe he possesses some knowledge about it? I dunno, I'm kinda reaching for straws because I'm just as confused as the rest. :p I find it very interesting though, and I hope the next chapter expands on it. (Wouldn't mind learning a bit more about Orochimaru and hachibi as well, just to know if there is any substance to the rumors).

Kenu

2006-05-25, 08:46

Ugh, great to see Sasuke back, but wtf, just a little over powered ne?

I'm not sure what Kishimoto is thinking with this. In previous chapters even Snake man and Four eyes were scared of Sasuke.. seems like for good reason, but is this distinction of level really necessary..? Maybe Kishimoto wants to rename his series SasuGay...

I can't see Naruto really getting to Sasuke's level any time soon. Sure we want Naruto to be the underdog, but he doesn't even have a chance against this new Sasuke..

the worst thing is all the Sasuke-fan boyz will reappear..:rolleyes:

Rurik

2006-05-25, 08:56

I’m not surprise the turns of events here now, but im surprise that Sasuke could actually enter the Kyuby room; this is not your normal Genjutsu. I wonder if this is the reason that Itachi is assigned to Naruto. And as to do with the porpouse of the Doujutsu Itachi talked about.

About Kusanagy, Do we even know if the Sword Oro used against Naruto 4T? Maybe he was using another sword, or a replica of Kusanagy, and the one Sasuke has is the real Kusanagy.

but kyuubi still had more chakra than Yondaime. If Naruto is stronger without using kyuubi chakra that doesnt make kyuubi the strongest thing in narutoverse eh ;).

I think Yamato was referring that the true Strength comes from love, rather than using Power that is fed by hatred, in this case Kyuby power.

If Sasuke can access Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi that easily, Yamato should die asap. Cause that means Kakashi can also control Kyuubi with just Sharingan. Also, Itachi should take a note, he can try using MS on Kyuubi after entering Naruto's mind - creating a new technique, double Sharingan.

Maybe, maybe not, Kakashi not been part of the Bloodline could prove to be a problem.

Sasuke has a special bond with Naruto maybe that's why he can, i dont think any mediocre uchiha like kakashi and itachi can do such a thing, Sasuke's ability alone.

Kakshi is not an Uchiha.

Itachi is the same as Sasuke, I don’t see reasons why Sasuke can do it and Itachi can’t

If that was true Itachi would have done it, the only one who can get that deep into Naruto is his best friend -- Sasuke.

Not necessarily, Itachi never had the need to use that on Naruto.

Now, It is logical that Kishimoto wants to put Sasuke close to Itachi level; this can help Kishimoto avoid things like more growth from Sasukes part or even more timeskip. Other fighting series ends up overpowering kids over well-established Experienced and really strong Characters. And some of this series the growth happens within days, and not even go to timeskips.

Tettsuo

2006-05-25, 09:08

What I find most interesting.... Kyuubi's able to appear outside the sealed gate.

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 09:19

I’m not surprise the turns of events here now, but im surprise that Sasuke could actually enter the Kyuby room; this is not your normal Genjutsu.

What makes you think it's even a genjutsu at all?

Syaoran

2006-05-25, 09:24

Ok guys... Guess it's useless by now, but I just added my summary on page 1 ^^'

I'm stunned by this chapter! What on earth is going on. How is Sasuke able to get in Naruto's mind and why is Kyuubi materializing outside his cage O.o

3 pages already... to be honest I don't feel in the mood to read it all... I'm not feeling very well (lack of sleep since a long period, getting super stressed, worried and even feeling inferior to anyone else). Looks like I don't need Kyuubi chakra to lessen my lifespan... I can do it myself -_-
I'm gonna take a nap >_< (hell, it's a day of and it's not better)

Rurik

2006-05-25, 09:25

What makes you think it's even a genjutsu at all?

A Teleporting Jutsu that makes him enter Naruto body you think? This Jutsu whatever it is, it seems to be tied to Uchihas, it seems Kyuby was not surprised at the intrusion of Sasuke once he knew he was an Uchiha. So it very possible that it is some sort of power that it comes from the Sharingan itself.

Or maybe is just a normal Genjutsu that is making Naruto think that Sasuke its inside with him and Kyuby.

gibits

2006-05-25, 09:33

Rurik

2006-05-25, 09:49

One observation, Yondaime seal was never said to be the ultimate seal that nobody can break, Yondaime seal is work of Art, but anyone with the skill necessary can damper its functionality, as Orochimaru did to it. Yondaime seal is created to maintain Kyuby at Bay (meaning it is supposed that Kyuby alone can’t break it), and give Kyubys power to Naruto, this however does not mean someone outside Kyuby Can’t break that Seal.

ccardoso

2006-05-25, 10:05

Mirtual

2006-05-25, 10:09

Wow this is getting to be insane, I swear Naruto isn't even worth reading anymore. Naruto takes on Oro evenly and yet a whole team 7 can't even compare to Sasuke....Ok i can accept that, but for Sasuke to just waltz up and pet Kybuui.... although that might be Naruto/4th's seal that is dampening 9 tail's power. Oh and now the uber seal that the 4th used can be undone by Sasuke? Kisihimoto's plot is just spiraling out of control now.

On a side note Kybuui sounded like a drug dealer trying to push his meds on Naruto, maybe my theory about taking over Naruto's body was right...... not that it brings me much satisfaction plot wise....
I think its time to quit Naruto before i become jaded.

Bleach ftw
No need to overreact. First Orchochimaru told us in his fight that Sasuke was about the level of Naruto with four tails. So to be honest what he showed so far is even too less. If he can match up to that monster, than he must have a lot more to show us.

And why is everyone forgetting the curcumstances? Sasuke woke up, so he just slept and is in perfect condition.
On the cotrary team 7 has been on mission for how long? Days?
Not to mention Naruto damage from Kyubi wich made it even hard to barely walk for him, Sakura got injured by Kyubi as well. And all of team seven were forced to use a lot of Jutsus before resulting in them being a lot more exhausted than Sasuke. Of course he has the upper hand. But let's wait some more chapters, this fight barely got started, and since this is Sasukes reintroduction, it is natural that Kishimoto wants him to look good.

EDIT: Orochimaru said he was as strong as the three tailed Kyubi. My mistake there, but I still stick to the consequences I see in that sentence.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 10:12

Yes and of all people Sasuke can...
I think this serie is taking a Dragon Ball path...

Well, Its really not that difficult to believe it, Sasuke has been training 2.5 years with someone that really can, so this could be a reason he probably can, I guess we will have to wait and see if this is not an Illusion made by Sasuke.

One thing I’m not defending Sasuke, I’m defending what Kishimoto is trying to accomplish or the logic behind what Kishimoto is trying to tell.

]And why is everyone forgetting the curcumstances? Sasuke woke up, so he just slept and is in perfect condition. On the cotrary team 7 has been on mission for how long? Days?

I give you the benefit of Sakura and Naruto, they are both Injured right now, in the case of Yamato and Sai they have really not used anything to say that they are exhausted, and Sasuke sleep, well, Sasuke took a short nap that was interupted, after training for a Jutsu, not exactly your rest to recover fully.

Tettsuo

2006-05-25, 10:16

Why are some of you saying that Sasuke can break the seal? I didn't see that anywhere in the translation.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 10:21

Why are some of you saying that Sasuke can break the seal? I didn't see that anywhere in the translation.

It easy, If Kyuby is out of his kage, that means the Seal that held him back was broken, remember when we first were introduce to Kyuby, the cage had a seal which Kyuby itself was complaining about it, so he by himself could have not gotten out of the cage.

I’m leaning towards more and more that this is Just an Illusion made by Sasuke.

Mirtual

2006-05-25, 10:23

I give you the benefit of Sakura and Naruto, they are both Injured right now, in the case of Yamato and Sai they have really not used anything to say that they are exhausted, and Sasuke sleep, well, Sasuke took a short nap that was interupted, after training for a Jutsu, not exactly your rest to recover fully.
Well, they did use Jutsus, and no one knows how much chakra i.E. the sealing of Kyubi takes. And teaching a jutsu does not have to mean you get exhausted. In case of Sasuke it most likely barely means he has to watch Orochimaru do something with the Sharingan and then practice it once or twice.
And a short nap can be a quite refreshing thing ;)

And again for Sai and Yamato we must say that they are handicaped since they have to watch and protect Sakura and Naruto. Both gort hit when they tried to save and protect those two, while Sasuke can move around as free as he wants to.

Illuyankas

2006-05-25, 10:23

@Uchiha Rurik - So, Kyuubi can't create an illusion of himself?

Rurik

2006-05-25, 10:32

Well, they did use Jutsus, and no one knows how much chakra i.E. the sealing of Kyubi takes. And teaching a jutsu does not have to mean you get exhausted. In case of Sasuke it most likely barely means he has to watch Orochimaru do something with the Sharingan and then practice it once or twice.And a short nap can be a quite refreshing thing ;) .

Hmmm, If he did it with the Sharingan, I guess he should had used the jutsu a couple of time to se if its work.

And again for Sai and Yamato we must say that they are handicaped since they have to watch and protect Sakura and Naruto. Both gort hit when they tried to save and protect those two, while Sasuke can move around as free as he wants to.

If hey are not good enough to deal with the blows of Sasukes, then they obviously can’t take him on, as Sasuke was cornered by Both Sai and Naruto, and he still could break free, as Yamato tried to do something against him, and he could not, But you still have a point, Yamato and Sai could be hindered by the fact that they are trying to protect the other 2.

Illuyankas, Nice observation, that could be another possibility then (It never even crossed my mind), what I don’t believe right now is that Kyuby broke that seal.

Illuyankas

2006-05-25, 10:45

If Kyuubi had broken the seal, he wouldn't be asking, he'd be taking. He's still constrained.

astayanax

2006-05-25, 11:10

Very interesting chapter. Don't have time to give my comments now except one.

I am very interested in the fact that Kyuubi knows the Uchiha clan very well and that it appears he had interactions with them before. There was talks earlier about the demon statues in the Uchiha secret room and there was arguments on whether or not Uchihas is using demonic powers. This scene with Kyuubi is making it much more believable than before.

Rich

2006-05-25, 11:43

weird chapter..... didn't quite understand how did sasuke get into the kyuubi's cage.. -_____-||| i was like wtf......

yeah..... sasuke really is impreessive i hate to say, using chidori in his blade and body... -___-|| reminds me of pikachu ^^ hahaha.. but Yamato on the other side was a bit dissapointing.... he didn't do anything well or interesting, but protect sakura. do you think that naruto will release kyuubi next chapter.....? i don't even think doodoma rasengan has match for this level of chiidori especially when sasuke can cut through kunais .... -___-||| damn kishi makes sasuke so uber good @@

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 12:15

Kyuubi knowing Uchiha does not mean that it was another Kyuubi-Jinchuuriki's mind that was penetrated before, but rather I believe Kyuubi has fought an Uchiha before and Sharingan was used on him. Just like he remembers Yondaime well although he most probably didn't have a long interaction with him, he also remembers Uchiha. And based on that, if an Uchiha's Sharingan can reach Kyuubi(most probably the only thing that can do that), he considers it to be something important.

Regarding the Kyuubi we saw: I don't think the Kyuubi outside the cage is a real one - it seems to be made of bubles - , hence, more like a chakra based creation (it was shown before Kyuubi can leak its chakra).

And, I still find it absurd for Sasuke penetrating a sealed monster's mind. We were never told that Sharingan can read minds - it can brind your mind to some genjutsu space and manipulate that and that seemed to be the limit, even Itachi wasn't shown to do that, but Sasuke has achieved that greatness in a mere 2.5 years. Anyway, since Kishi has chosen this road, he wouldn't mind allowing Naruto to release the seal completely and achieve 9 tails (and then re-seal Kyuubi) at will. This time Kyuubi will be in charge of course. But, I won't mind Naruto controlling that power also. Since absurdness call for more absurdness, and only then we can celebrate DB at its full power.

Protto

2006-05-25, 12:26

What can he do against an enemy who can enter the very core of his seal and treat Kyuubi as a useless pet? :rolleyes:
I remember you that inside the cage Kyuubi is at full power so Kishimoto is showing us that Sasuke > Kyuubi (9 tails) while he made us always believe Kyuubi is some kind of unreachable god. It's really annoying this overpowered Sasuke not for Sasuke himself, but because it's really too much.

First of all, the summary never said anything about Sasuke being able to stop Kyuubi. Second, Kishimoto never said that Kyuubi is at his strongest inside of naruto. Having said that, Just because Sasuke put up a hand towards Kyuubi doesn't mean anything. It could very well mean that he is petting it as if there's no threat coming from it.

Sarugaki

2006-05-25, 12:33

"By the sealed monster's cell, everything is reflected in his eyes,
as he appears inside of Naruto, an Uchiha that Kyuubi knows, what's that power ?"

Protto

2006-05-25, 12:38

It easy, If Kyuby is out of his kage, that means the Seal that held him back was broken, remember when we first were introduce to Kyuby, the cage had a seal which Kyuby itself was complaining about it, so he by himself could have not gotten out of the cage.

I’m leaning towards more and more that this is Just an Illusion made by Sasuke.

What are you talking about? Kyuubi got out of the page before page 14 and we see the seal on the door in page 14. learn to read.

freakabcd

2006-05-25, 12:49

I believe that _no one_ other than Naruto himself or Akatsuki (with their oh sooo slow technique) can break that seal and unleash Kyuubi.

Naruto: because iirc in the Zabuza arc Kakashi was worried if the seal had broken; at that time Naruto was going all out! (or atleast trying to). Maybe someone can give a better example here...
Akatsuki: because we have already seen them extract Shukaku (from Gaara).

So Kishimoto's SasuUberKe can rip(or try to) that seal all he wants; I don't expect much to happen. Also, this is a great moment for Naruto to showcase "that jutsu." But I think "that jutsu" isn;t going to be seen in the next chapter (or two).

Also would be great if that Yamato was a last minute motukon bunshin or something. Sadly, I'll have to agree with Sazelyt's last sentence :( (4 posts above grr..)

Chosen

2006-05-25, 13:10

This is getting waay overhand! Ok, I can understand the point that Kishimoto had to make Sasuke powerfull to match up Narutos tails! But seriously, now Naruto wont even use Kyuubi anymore.

I wonder what kinda hidden power Naruto can use, since Yamato said he is stronger without the power of Kyuubi!

Tettsuo

2006-05-25, 13:13

I still think base Naruto is at the same level as current base Sasuke.

We still have yet to see Naruto get busy without Kyuubi taking over, so I'm holding out hope that he's badass. :cool:

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 13:24

"By the sealed monster's cell, everything is reflected in his eyes,
as he appears inside of Naruto, an Uchiha that Kyuubi knows, what's that power ?"

Seems it will be explained next week then. Also, I may well be proven wrong next week but I don't really think Sasuke is stopping kyuubi in any way. I think the pose he has at the end is just a visual representation of him mentally hindering Naruto to ask kyuubi for help. It's what would make the most sense to me at least. But as priviously stated, this Uchiha specific jutsu seems to be explained in the next chapter.

Syaoran

2006-05-25, 13:24

Naruto will very likely get his strength from his emotions. Emotions trigger the kyuubi, since he's told it to dissappear and shut up, hs own huge chakra reserve will be used instead.
And my guess is that the stronger the emotion, whether it's love, hate, sorrow, self-pity or whatever else, it could have a different outcome.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 13:25

And, I still find it absurd for Sasuke penetrating a sealed monster's mind. We were never told that Sharingan can read minds - it can brind your mind to some genjutsu space and manipulate that and that seemed to be the limit, even Itachi wasn't shown to do that, but Sasuke has achieved that greatness in a mere 2.5 years.

Just because Itachi have not been shown to do that, does not mean he can’t do it, for all we know (as I said before) is part of what Sasuke saw in the Uchiha Dojutsu Purpose. So No, I don’t think it is absurd what’s happening until we get all the details on how Sasuke could do that. Not to mention that Kishimoto, like it or not, likes to give the sharingan new abilities every time he feels he want to shit on the Sasuke/Itachi haters.

What are you talking about? Kyuubi got out of the page before page 14 and we see the seal on the door in page 14. learn to read.

You should be the one that needs to learn to read other people post and analyzed thing before telling other people to learn to read:

I said IF he is really out of the cage this should be the only reason, that’s however dos not mean he is really out of the cage, as Sazelist mentioned, this is probably not a real Kyuby, or it just an illusion as Illuyankas or me, told before.

But if he really is out of that cage that means that seal is broken, regardless of what page 14 showed, it was stated that Kyuby was held back in that cage because of the seal, with the seal out of its way, he could get out. That’s why I used the term IF, Kyuby out of the cage can only mean that something happened to the seal it held him back, maybe it was unsealed, and not broken, so the little paper with the seal does not have to be broken into pieces for the seal to be undone.

Illuyankas Yeah, I sort if tough of that, but we can’t also discard the possibility that Kyuby really got out of the cage, maybe Yondaimes Kyuby seal system counts with different levels of seals in order for Kyuby to not get out that easy, maybe this seal is just the first one of many seals he has to break in order to be free, it is farfetched, but at this moment nothing should be discarded.

Soulnin

2006-05-25, 13:39

Once again Sakura does nothing. What was Yamato thinking butting in like that I would expect him to be more cautious.

This chapter reminded me alot of the recent Bleach chapters, what with Naruto facing his inner power and all. Like most people have said Sasuke's appearance in front of Nine Tails was shocking to me also. His genjustsu must be sublime now. Interesting to see how Naruto gets out of this one. I don't think Sasuke intends to cut the seal just to halt his kyubbi powers from leaking this time around.

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 13:46

Just because Itachi have not been shown to do that, does not mean he can’t do it, for all we know (as I said before) is part of what Sasuke saw in the Uchiha Dojutsu Purpose. So No, I don’t think it is absurd what’s happening until we get all the details on how Sasuke could do that. Not to mention that Kishimoto, like it or not, likes to give the sharingan new abilities every time he feels he want to shit on the Sasuke/Itachi haters.
Remember what we are talking about is not MS, it is typical Sharingan. So it doesn't differ from a Sharingan user to another - and giving abilities out of nowhere does not exactly apply here. Anyway, you may see it quite normal, however I do not consider it anything more than forcing. It is not too much different than Naruto releasing 9-tails at once. And any writer who modifies the plot just to shit on anybody that does not worship some of his characters does not deserve respect.

abazou

2006-05-25, 13:47

Sasuke is on another level like he's always been.

haomaru

2006-05-25, 13:54

If sasuke is to become the main character's nemesis, its only fitting he should get this kind of power, as for naruto it has been stated troughout the manga since the time jump that kyubi power is harmfull and weaken's naruto's true potential so its logical that ether he supresses the kyubi somehow or the kyubi is remove'd from him. As for sasuke being able to talk to the kyubi i think is just so he can taunt naruto on using him during the battle so naruto's change can be more dramatic. Also since the last chapter i didnt see any of that OMG!!! atitude from naruto, even yamato is surprised with sasukes power, but naruto expression is unchanged.

UthertheHat

2006-05-25, 13:59

WOW!!
This chapter was good until the last to pages.....kishi is playing favorites and everyone knows it.
Wasn't it said that the byakkugan were more powerful than sharingan in terms of insight and that sharingan was special for prediction and copying jutzu. I think the sharingan are becoming kinda rigged!!

The Kyuubi needs to put fear into Sauske in the next chapter and scare the hell out of him. That would be sooooooooo F'ing cool.

And "that Jutzu" can't be the beam the 4 tailed fired because a massive RELEASE of chakara is not a 'Jutzu'. Jutzu require being consious to know that your executing them and even if it was a jutzu it would be the Kyuubi's and not Naruto's.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 14:04

Remember what we are talking about is not MS, it is typical Sharingan. So it doesn't differ from a Sharingan user to another - and giving abilities out of nowhere does not exactly apply here. Anyway, you may see it quite normal, however I do not consider it anything more than forcing. It is not too much different than Naruto releasing 9-tails at once.

And what I’m talking about is the Sharingan itself (so the MS was a new ability inside what the Sharingan is), there is nothing wrong for the author to introduce this type of new Sharingan ability (if it is), This is just a fighting Manga were the same thing gets upgraded with new things as time passes. You know Hunter X Hunter, Just as the Ryodan each one of then showed new abilities when they where facing the Chimera ants.

Ahhh BTW, the normal Sharingan has been attached with abilities we never knew about, for instance in the Kakashi gaiden it was stated that it could see the inner Chakra Flow, before this, no hint about this was shown, so this is an upgrade on the Sharingans ability.

Regarding Naruto releasing 9 tails at once, this is way different than adding a new ability to someone, You could say: “Naruto can read minds while been at 3T”, this is acceptable, but Saying he can now grew 9 tails, is out of the question given that there are facts that makes this something that should not happen.

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-25, 14:06

Once again Sakura does nothing. What was Yamato thinking butting in like that I would expect him to be more cautious.

Yamato saved Sakura from her own stupidity, as she did a taijutsu attack on a sharingan master which is a foolish move. Yamato got in trouble because he underestimated Sasuke's power and because he had no options but to rush between Sasuke and Sakura. Of course he will be healed by Sakura if the other two manage to take away Sasuke's attention. I expect that the only one to die here will be Sai.
It is now official that Sasuke has grown to be a bad/evil guy. But we knew that from before the timeskip when Kishimoto wrote that Sasuke is going to the darkness while Naruto on the bright side. Now the big question is how will Kishimoto pull out Sasuke from that "darkness". I don't even regard the option that Sasuke remains evil and he dies, i'm sure Kishimto will not kill Sasuke even if he is currently more dislikeable than ever. And one thing that Sasuke will sooner or later realize that he has become just like Itachi, the one he wants to kill, he has become the same as the most hated person. Sasuke must realize his wrong ways by himself, only that can lead him out of the pityful state he is now in.

Even if Sasuke was stronger than the current Orochimaru, he has no chance against Oro's will because of the curse seal. Only the highest level ninja can place such seals on others, those seals seam the most powerful thing that can rule other people. For example Chiyo's seal thrown by Sakura on Sasori destroyed his puppet body. Or the 4 seals around the akatsuki cave which summoned 4 beings almost identical to Gai and his team. And the most powerful is which can seal a demon inside the body of Naruto. Yamato's power is not seal-based, he can only use his bloodline when he is around, he cannot make such high level seal, like the one suppressor-seal made by Jiraiya. And even that seal by Jiraiya is nowhere near Yondaime's seal.
And it seems that despite the seal is weakend it's still safe if Naruto does not overuse kyuubi power. So Sasuke and Naruto are safe now, if they don't mess with kyuubi, however it seems that they will mess with it...

The big revelation of this arc could be the secret connecting kyuubi and Uchiha. There was a reason why kyuubi attacked the village, and that would perfectly connect the two main characters of the manga, one having the uchiha blood and the other having the kyuubi.

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 14:27

Yamato saved Sakura from her own stupidity, as she did a taijutsu attack on a sharingan master which is a foolish move. It is highly possible that Sakura could be able to break that sword - and you know that sharingan master did only use his sword against Yamato. And after that only god knows what might happen, so it is too early to talk about mistake.

And what I’m talking about is the Sharingan itself (so the MS was a new ability inside what the Sharingan is), there is nothing wrong for the author to introduce this type of new Sharingan ability (if it is), This is just a fighting Manga were the same thing gets upgraded with new things as time passes.

Regarding Naruto releasing 9 tails at once, this is way different than adding a new ability to someone, You could say: “Naruto can read minds while been at 3T”, this is acceptable, but Saying he can now grew 9 tails, is out of the question given that there are facts that makes this something that should not happen.Sharingan has been around for maybe hundreds/thousands of years, so creating an ability for something typical out of nowhere just to make some character stronger is a bit artificial, for me. On the other hand, to be honest, releasing 9-tails is something anticipated from the moment that we were shown the one-tail. And I don't remember a fact that says it should not happen cause it cannot happen, it was mainly because of its dangers. And Naruto that cannot even properly control his mind reading other's mind at 3tails is even more forcing than Sasuke's case.

Hunter

2006-05-25, 14:37

Just came back and read the last two chapters which happen not to be boring for a change. Nice.

I expected Sasuke crushing them all easily but I admit I thought Yamato would at least stand during 1 or 2 pages. Sasuke's new variations of the Chidori make him incredibly deadly in close combat, in fact if he can keep using this kind of attack without much trouble I don't see how people without incredible defense ala Gaara, Neji or Kyubi Naruto can hope standing even a little chance against him at close range.

The only really unexpected thing was Sasuke entering Naruto's inner world to talk with the Kyubi. The Sharingan is really a magic box of Cracker Jacks, you never see the end of its surprises.

And, I still find it absurd for Sasuke penetrating a sealed monster's mind. We were never told that Sharingan can read minds
Well actually that precisely what Kakashi is supposed to have done against Zabuza to be able to know word for word what he was thinking.
I used to believe Kishimoto had dropped the idea but after this chapter who know? It might still be something completely different though.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 14:39

Sharingan has been around for maybe hundreds/thousands of years, so creating an ability for something typical out of nowhere just to make some character stronger is a bit artificial, for me. On the other hand, to be honest, releasing 9-tails is something anticipated from the moment that we were shown the one-tail. And I don't remember a fact that says it should not happen cause it cannot happen, it was mainly because of its dangers. And Naruto that cannot even properly control his mind reading other's mind at 3tails is even more forcing than Sasuke's case.

And who say that this ability was developed now? What if this ability always existed but the people with the Sharingan never had the need to use it? Again this is parting from the assumption if this is something from the Sahringan. MS has a long time now, so you are saying that this ability been thrown out, should be treated as artificial too? Just because Kakshi or Sasuke never talked about it until Chapter 142?

Regarding Nine tails, right now, Naruto body can barely handle releasing 4 tails, his body is not suited for 9 tails at the moment, I’m not saying is something that will never occurs, but happening now is not adding an Ability that it was always there, is just breaking a rule that was already set by the author (also I said should in my last post, because anything can happen).

Regarding my Naruto example, it seem you are been picky for the fun of it, I made an example that does not necessary is something than could happen, but jest to make you happy, I will change my Example: three is nothing wrong that in the next Chapter Kishimot say that the Byakugan has the ability to Open a portal to teleport to any place in the galaxy, the Hyuga just need to practice this to gain it.

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 14:48

Now the big question is how will Kishimoto pull out Sasuke from that "darkness".

Beaten by Naruto of course.

flexx

2006-05-25, 14:48

wtf

unimagable great chapter...

Just one thing: sasuke's never greater than kyuubi. He just touches the demon's nose. If kyuubi would feel agressive against sasuke, he would stand no chance.

I'm just wondering what is going to happen next:
a) orochimaru enters and interrupts the fight
b) sasuke unleashes kyuubi
c) sasuke somehow can extract kyuubi and transfer him into his own body

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 14:49

Well this is an excellent chapter and some interesting opinions have been expressed in this thread.

One of the most common responses I have seen is that Sasuke seems overpowered.

While I think Yamato got taken down far too easily, Sasuke's strength should be expected. He has to measure up to his brother an unprecedented genius and one of the most powerful characters so far in the series. He has been trained for 2.5 years by a fellow genius in Orochimaru. Most of his attacks simply caught Team Kakashi off guard and in a ninja battle getting caught off guard can be fatal. He was pretty much underestimated, Sai got careless trying to defend Naruto and Yamato got careless trying to defend Sakura (as far as him defending with kunai that wasn't the best move, he should have used more wooden jutsu, but Kakashi countered Zabuza's massive sword with a kunai so it wasn't an absurd choice of weapon to use in that split second).

The best shocker was ofcourse Sasuke entering Naruto's mind to start a conversation in Kyuubi's chamber.

This was a creative thing for Kishimoto to do, but I don't think it is so surprising. Itachi is a pro at entering his opponents mind even without the Mangekyo Sharingan and interacting with his opponent. He screwed around with Naruto considerably, who at first didn't know he was trapped in a genjutsu and then began to tramatize him with illusions of his personal fears and insecurities.

Sasuke is demontrating the same ability it is just special because not only can he interact with Naruto but Kyuubi as well.

I think they are going to take the time in the next chapter to give us interesting revelations into the connection between the Uchiha and Kyuubi which I have no doubt is connected to what Itachi described to Sasuke as the "true purpose of the Sharingan".

I highly doubt Sasuke has any intentions of breaking Kyuubi's seal but as Kyuubi is familiar with Uchiha there is some unique connection there which should open up the plot of the story.

As far as Kyuubi appearing outside of his cell he is clearly in chakra form, it's likely more of an apparition of him that can leak chakra to Naruto. When Naruto fought Orochimaru he let his emotions get the better of him and Kyuubi engulfed him. In this situtation Kyuubi is reasoning with him likely because Naruto is resisting the urge to embrace his power.

So as of the end of this chapter we have Sai seemingly incapacitated, Yamato with a serious wound, Sasuke inside of Naruto's head having a chat with him and Kyuubi and Sakura.....Sakura....is just standing there. :uhoh:

Hopefully Sakura doesn't just stand there while her comrads are laid out. Depending on what Sasuka is doing while he uses Sharingan to interact with Naruto, Sakura has the option to attack Sasuke, break the genjutsu, or heal Yamato (or Sai but Yamato looks like he needs help more than anyone).

I don't expect to see much fighting in the next chapter just Sasuke/Kyuubi/Naruto dialogue which should be interesting.

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 14:52

Rurik

2006-05-25, 14:53

So as of the end of this chapter we have Sai seemingly incapacitated, Yondaime with a serious wound, Sasuke inside of Naruto's head having a chat with him and Kyuubi and Sakura.....Sakura....is just standing there. :uhoh: .

:heh: You meant to say Yamato? you are lucky Yellow Flash do not post here anymore!

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 14:54

Well actually that precisely what Kakashi is supposed to have done against Zabuza to be able to know word for word what he was thinking.
I used to believe Kishimoto had dropped the idea but after this chapter who know? It might still be something completely different though.I thought Zabuza did consider it as not mind-reading, more like putting into genjutsu and make him believe he is reading Zabuza's mind, and he did not mention about an inner world chat with Kakashi. If I am not mistaken, mind reading has neither been mentioned nor used before. And, without any background knowledge on the subject, "supposed to"s at the reader side does not automatically translate to "supposed to"s at the story side.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 15:01

You guys treat what Sasuke did in this chapter like some kind of ability. It is just him using his Sharingan on Naruto while he's undergoing the process of confronting Kyuubi in his sub-conscious. It's a figurative manifestation of a "mind's eye" type scenario.

Lets use some imagination here people. The whole approach of whenever Naruto confronts Kyuubi behind his cage is just an artistic represenation Kishimoto is depicting, to show what's going on INSIDE Naruto. It isn't a literal representation of some alternate dimension where Naruto meets Kyuubi that Sasuke crossed over into using some new Sharingan ability.

Stop bastardizing this series with flagrant conjecture and nonsense.

It seems to be a bit of both really. Naruto is literally dialouging with Kyuubi inside his mind and we are seeing a visual manifestation of this interaction, which Sasuke has tapped into using the Sharingan.

It's a realm within Naruto's sub-concious that can best be described as a type of dream world being manifested by the presence of a supernatural demon, that being Kyuubi.

Itachi has repeatedly used genjutsu not only to create visual illusions that we've seen Kakashi and Kurenai do but to create a dream world within his opponents mind which he controls. Sasuke has entered the dream world Kyuubi creates to interact with Naruto.

Hunter

2006-05-25, 15:10

I thought Zabuza did consider it as not mind-reading, more like putting into genjutsu and make him believe he is reading Zabuza's mind, and he did not mention about an inner world chat with Kakashi. If I am not mistaken, mind reading has neither been mentioned nor used before. And, without any background knowledge on the subject, "supposed to"s at the reader side does not automatically translate to "supposed to"s at the story side.
Actually it was : the Genjutsu was but the 3rd step of Kakashi's tactic against Zabuza, the 2nd one was copying his mind to know word for word what Zabuza was thinking. Not only Zabuza explained that but it was also titled in the manga as such.
I didn't mean that Kakashi entered Zabuza inner world -which obviously didn't happen- I was merely refering to your comment about reading mind.
Copying mind and reading mind might be two different things mind you, Zabuza made two comments about that but the kanji used weren't the same if I remember well. So he was maybe saying that even thought Kakashi could copy his mind he couldn't read his "heart"/intentions.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 15:11

:heh: You meant to say Yamato? you are lucky Yellow Flash do not post here anymore!

Speaking of th devil, looks who is back and Posting, welcome back YF!!!!

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 15:11

:heh: You meant to say Yamato? you are lucky Yellow Flash do not post here anymore!
LOL :D

My bad.

I thought Zabuza did consider it as not mind-reading, more like putting into genjutsu and make him believe he is reading Zabuza's mind, and he did not mention about an inner world chat with Kakashi. If I am not mistaken, mind reading has neither been mentioned nor used before. And, without any background knowledge on the subject, "supposed to"s at the reader side does not automatically translate to "supposed to"s at the story side.

I agree, whether Zabuza was correct or not what he claims Kakashi did to him was relay a series of hypnotic suggestions to make him pick the jutsu he wanted and that reciting his words was merely Kakashi predicted what he would say under hypnosis (how he does that I'm not sure).

I wouldn't say Sasuke is reading Naruto's mind per se, he has entered his subconcious to interact in the dream world Naruto is in with Kyuubi.

Itachi was able to use Naruto's fears against him in the genjutsu he put him in. To know such things about him such as what he thinks of Gaara etc. he would either have to read his thoughts to exploit those fears or simply create an illusion in which Naruto's fears manifest themselves within.

There's alot of abstract thinking involved in this. :heh:

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 15:12

It seems to be a bit of both really. Naruto is literally dialouging with Kyuubi inside his mind and we are seeing a visual manifestation of this interaction, which Sasuke has tapped into using the Sharingan.

It's a realm within Naruto's sub-concious that can best be described as a type of dream world being manifested by the presence of a supernatural demon, that being Kyuubi.

Itachi has repeatedly used genjutsu not only to create visual illusions that we've seen Kakashi and Kurenai do but to create a dream world within his opponents mind which he controls. Sasuke has entered the dream world Kyuubi creates to interact with Naruto.

The notion of Kyuubi as the one creating this dream world isn't reliable. To say so is just more conjecture. Everything that they're showing going on in Naruto's mind can just as easily be depicted with him just lying there with his eyes closed, negating all the visuals Kishimoto is providing us with that are so far simply FIGURAL. Not literal.

What's being said in his mind with Kyuubi may be real, but the depiction of it is just an imaginatory approach the artists are giving us. So, to say that Sasuke entered by using an ability would be like saying whenever we have a dream while we're sleeping, it must be a real. That's just foolish.

It's like painting what you see in your head. A depiction. Readers shouldn't rely on what goes on in those instances Naruto and Kyuubi converse as visceral, but ethereal and intangible. So is Sasuke really there in front of Kyuubi? No. Naruto isn't either. Neither of them nor Kyuubi are truly manifested in that sequence.

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 15:12

I'm just wondering what is going to happen next:
a) orochimaru enters and interrupts the fight
b) sasuke unleashes kyuubi
c) sasuke somehow can extract kyuubi and transfer him into his own body

Lol@b&c.

Wtf did I just write? :eek: Anyway, I'm really wondering myself how this will end. Working backwards, we can be pretty sure that team 7's mission will fail and that at least Naruto and Sakura will survive (duh). Sasuke has to escape Orochimaru within a few months, so presumably Kishimoto will use this opportunity to give Sasuke a reason to escape right now, instead of going back later to illustrate his escape. So in order for this to happen, Sasuke needs to realize that this is his chance of getting away. Orochimaru is weakened and team 7 is around. Naruto and Sakura would most likely go for Orochimaru if he did any kind of attempt to stop Sasuke. In my head this (or something like this) seems very likely to happen, I'm just wondering what will trigger it.

:heh: You meant to say Yamato? you are lucky Yellow Flash do not post here anymore!

Aren't we all.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-25, 15:14

Well, I just read Chapter 301-308.

No real surprises, at least not to me. lol

I have always said Sai was sent to assasinate Sasuke.

I have always said Danzou would never join with Oro.

Well, look what happened. :)

Chapter 307-308:

It was nice how Sai could block Sasuke, but Yamato failed.
Sasuke's speed has increased, as I knew it would.
He is very fast. But still nothing compared to Yondaime.

As for Sasuke breaking the Kyuubi Seal...
You got to be kidding me.
That was done by Yondaime, the great magician.

tramadrama

2006-05-25, 15:22

I guess Sasuke isn't going back to Konoha anytime soon, if ever. I like the fact that Kishimoto sided with the reader's views by calling Naruto out about him being nothing without Kyubi. I hope now that he does get stronger without the hellraiser. I was getting worried, because with Sasuke getting this powerful in just a little under 3 years, with his own strength, then unless they show otherwise, Naruto has a long way to go. Team 7 is fish food.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 15:27

The notion of Kyuubi as the one creating this dream world isn't reliable. To say so is just more conjecture. Everything that they're showing going on in Naruto's mind can just as easily be depicted with him just lying there with his eyes closed, negating all the visuals Kishimoto is providing us with that are so far simply FIGURAL. Not literal.

What's being said in his mind with Kyuubi may be real, but the depiction of it is just an imaginatory approach the artists are giving us. So, to say that Sasuke entered by using an ability would be like saying whenever we have a dream while we're sleeping, it must be a real. That's just foolish.

It's like painting what you see in your head. A depiction. Readers shouldn't rely on what goes on in those instances Naruto and Kyuubi converse as visceral, but ethereal and intangible. So is Sasuke really there in front of Kyuubi? No. Naruto isn't either. Neither of them nor Kyuubi are truly manifested in that sequence.

Sasuke clearly used an ability to make himself part of Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi, whether you want to consider it an artistic convention or not.

That's why both Naruto and Kyuubi are shocked that he is there.

It isn't a matter of a dream being "real", the dream is being dreamt regardless.

If this interaction is something that Naruto is not literally seeing in his mind then why is it that both Naruto and Kyuubi can see him? Are they just sensing his presence and Sasuke being visibly there with them is just figurative as well?

When Naruto first interacted directly with Kyuubi he was falling off a cliff to his death and Jiraiya told him to sense the feeling that triggers Kyuubi's power when he is in danger.

It did seem that at the time Naruto wandering around within his mind and discovering a cage was just figurative but this situation indicates that it is more than that, that he literally enters a dream like setting when Kyuubi speaks to him.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 15:30

He is very fast. But still nothing compared to Yondaime.

He's baaaack. :heh:

ShikaShika

2006-05-25, 15:39

For me as well, Naruto talking to kyuubi behind the bars is simply a visual representation of Naruto talking to kyuubi inside his own mind. Sasuke simply broke into Naruto's mind. Obviously Sasuke isn't the first to have done something like that, since kyuubi didn't think much of it once he realized he was an Uchiha. Next chapter will hopefully explain further.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 15:44

Shuriken, I think the term dream world could be a little misleading and some people might get confused about that term, but I do get your point, I always though that this Interaction between Kyuby and Naruto are just a Representation of Naruto Subconscious mind.

Remember how Gaara personality was divided? If he was awake (conscious Mind) he is in Control, I he fell asleep (sub-conscious mind) Shukaku is released.

We apply this on Naruto, and we could say that Kyuby resides in Naruto subconscious and this is where Sasuke is supposed to be.

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 15:47

Sasuke clearly used an ability to make himself part of Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi, whether you want to consider it an artistic convention or not.

That's why both Naruto and Kyuubi are shocked that he is there.

It isn't a matter of a dream being "real", the dream is being dreamt regardless.

If this interaction is something that Naruto is not literally seeing in his mind then why is it that both Naruto and Kyuubi can see him? Are they just sensing his presence and Sasuke being visibly there with them is just figurative as well?

When Naruto first interacted directly with Kyuubi he was falling off a cliff to his death and Jiraiya told him to sense the feeling that triggers Kyuubi's power when he is in danger.

It did seem that at the time Naruto wandering around within his mind and discovering a cage was just figurative but this situation indicates that it is more than that, that he literally enters a dream like setting when Kyuubi speaks to him.

It's not really seeing. Sensing? As you stated, that's probably the best way to put it. It just looks that way in the figural representation the artists have given us. One should realize that distinction to judge these things accordingly. It's not a dream-like setting or alternate reality or whatever, just a depiction of Naruto's inner "mind's eye." Imagine if those pages where Naruto, Sasuke and the Kyuubi are all "confronting" eachother were just blacked out but leave the text. It's the same thing.

Missilebuster

2006-05-25, 16:07

many people think that it is possible to simply take off the seal, however do you remember the first episode? It said in order for the kyubi to be removed an equal energy must be used (naruto was with the scroll, and the process for removing the demon was explained by sarutobi).

Yellow Flash

2006-05-25, 16:17

Even if Sasuke was stronger than the current Orochimaru, he has no chance against Oro's will because of the curse seal. Only the highest level ninja can place such seals on others, those seals seam the most powerful thing that can rule other people. For example Chiyo's seal thrown by Sakura on Sasori destroyed his puppet body. Or the 4 seals around the akatsuki cave which summoned 4 beings almost identical to Gai and his team. And the most powerful is which can seal a demon inside the body of Naruto. Yamato's power is not seal-based, he can only use his bloodline when he is around, he cannot make such high level seal, like the one suppressor-seal made by Jiraiya. And even that seal by Jiraiya is nowhere near Yondaime's seal.

This is why Yondaime is the strongest ninja.
It was stated that Sealing Jutsu is an indication of strength.
The Kyuubi Seal is obviously the most complex of all.
Notice that there is a thin line between Youma power and loss of control.
But with Yondaime's seal, Naruto can tap into Kyuubi's full power yet Kyuubi can't break out.
Chiyo's seal was unstable and Shukaku was free as soon as Gaara went to sleep.

Souten no Seigyoku

2006-05-25, 16:24

I dont think Sasuke is controlling or blocking the kyuubi with his hand. It looks like hes just in his way.

Not to mention from when Kyuubi asks Naruto to merge their powers? I mean: during the fight against Orochimaru Kyuubi grabbed Naruto in his hands and took over... now he's kindly asking Naruto?!? What's the logic of this?

There's a difference. Before, he was sharing/leaking part of his power. Now hes asking to be released completely. Remember, he wants out of that seal, but he cant get out w/o Naruto cutting him loose. The "cage" is a representation of the seal. Whether he will help Naruto or betray him and run amock if released, I dont know. Im betting he will betray him. He just wants out.

yamato_D

2006-05-25, 16:36

this chapter was kinda disappointing. i saw the action that i wanted, but from the wrong person. obviously i didn't want sasuke getting beat the first chapter we see him fight, but so far he hasn't even tried really hard.
yamato was probably the most dissappointing part of the chapter though. i thought he was supposed to be near kakashi's level? if he's the best anbu ninja under tsunade's command, then the hokage and konaha may be in trouble.
and not surprisingly, sakura is useless. she's more illogical than naruto was at his worst. charging straight toward sasuke (who happens to be holding a long, menacing sword) and nearly killing yamato in the process.
sai seemed like he would do pretty good until the surprise chidori attack, but i'm not sure if down for the count yet.
since sasuke managed to invent a new form of chidori, would this imply that he is stronger than kakashi? i used to think kakashi was still on another level, but this chapter seems to hint that sasuke has grown unimaginably.
and to close, the whole situation in naruto's head is pretty rediculous. ok, so an uchiha has a special ability to tap into a jinchuriki's mind, i'm fine with that. but if that's true, why didn't itachi do it? i just don't buy how strong sasuke has become in only 2 1/2 years. that kind of progress makes no sense.

TooPurePureBoy

2006-05-25, 16:38

Ok. I usually don't rant ...but Kishimoto is approaching some dangerous ground here. I've been able to get past some of the plot holes here and there, because I really like the manga/anime. Uchiha having even enough power for Kyuubi to remember they exist is silly. Nine-tails is supposed to be basically unstoppable in it's full state. Now Sasuke gets to have a "hero-shot" with him holding back Kyubbi with one hand? That's retarded. I know some people enjoy sasuke the most so they won't like this post but.....c'mon Kishi....the main character is Naruto....not Kyubbi....and certainly not Sasuke. Hell even Gaara has gotten more love than Naruto.

If Naruto doesn't pull something huge out of his ass and leave Sasuke put in his place or at least slightly "pwned" by the end of this encounter Kishimoto has officially turned Naruto into a turdsandwich.

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 16:48

He isn't holding back Kyuubi. Geezus people pay more attention. Naruto raised his hand in that ghetto chick fashion telling Kyuubi to go away. Sasuke showed up and raised his hand to EXAMINE Kyuubi since he finally understands the hidden power within Naruto now. He wasn't holding Kyuubi back, so that whole scene was nothing of an indicator to Sasuke's "strength."

As far as Kyuubi recognizing the Uchiha clan, why not? If the Uchiha has been one of the most prominent houses in Konoha, wouldn't they be among the frontlines when Kyuubi attacked the village years ago? Why wouldn't it make sense?

Yogi

2006-05-25, 16:51

Souten no Seigyoku

2006-05-25, 16:52

Sasuke probably has other jutsu. He can probably summon Manda, the snake too. Although, I bet Sakura can summon Tsunade's slug too. Its like Sasuke, Naruto, & Sakura are The Three Sannin v2.

I think he's overpowered for his age, but hes not at hokage level. Then again, I read somewhere that the Sasuke is Mashimotos (sp?) favorite character so hes probably a Mary Sue. Which would explain why he's overpowered.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 16:53

Imagine if those pages where Naruto, Sasuke and the Kyuubi are all "confronting" eachother were just blacked out but leave the text. It's the same thing.

The problem with that is Kyuubi observed Sasuke to figure out that he was an Uchiha, just as Naruto observed his surroundings when he first encountered the chamber where Kyuubi is sealed.

In all the past encounters we could assume that the visual representation of Kyuubi interacting with Naruto was merely symbolic of a subconcious conversation between the two. It certainly seems that way like in the Orochimaru battle where Kyuubi is depicted grasping Naruto in his clutches.

Sasuke's presence IMO contradicts this assumed concept. Naruto and Kyuubi are speaking of his presence as something more than just 3 minds dialouging. We'll have to see more interaction between them to be sure.

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 16:58

The problem with that is Kyuubi observed Sasuke to figure out that he was an Uchiha, just as Naruto observed his surroundings when he first encountered the chamber where Kyuubi is sealed.

In all the past encounters we could assume that the visual representation of Kyuubi interacting with Naruto was merely symbolic of a subconcious conversation between the two. It certainly seems that way like in the Orochimaru battle where Kyuubi is depicted grasping Naruto in his clutches.

Sasuke's presence IMO contradicts this assumed concept. Naruto and Kyuubi are speaking of his presence as something more than just 3 minds dialouging. We'll have to see more interaction between them to be sure.

You're telling me a powerful entity such as the Kyuubi would have a difficult time recognizing an UCHIHA like Sasuke when his presence is apparant? Obviously the last statements Kyuubi made were directly at Sasuke about his growth, assuming the translation is correct. I mean the last time they fought Naruto used a sizeable amount of the Kyuubi's power, is it not possible that during the event the information of that battle could've translated over to Kyuubi himself considering he resides within Naruto?

Zek

2006-05-25, 17:11

When is Kishimoto going to stop making up new functions of the Sharingan? Is there anything it can't do? First it can see through and copy any jutsu, and perform special genjutsus. Then comes the Mangekyou, and now it can trap people in a mental torture-world. And shoot ultra-powerful flames. And warp things into alternate dimensions. Oh yeah, and it lets you enter a Jinchuuriki's seal too.

I mean, come on. This is just getting absurd.

Itachi 216

2006-05-25, 17:15

Actually, Sasuke should know about Naruto after all that time with Orochimaru. He was only waiting for Naruto to show his teeth to break into his mind and check the kyuubi himself thus the touching...

Now about that "Sasuke got stronger than Itachi" crap. Sorry but I think it is. That would mean Sasuke being the same or stronger than Jiraiya. Com'on no matter how of a genious he is, he's 16 years old. Itachi is 20? Jiraiya is 50! Being stronger than Yamamoto ok that's cool with me, he's only an ANBU member with his bloodline messed up. Sakura...is Sakura. Sasuke only got some smart and strong moves.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but Yamamoto can control the power of the kyuubi when Naruto has the necklace on. Well, it's not on his neck anymore and some weird stuff is going on in Naruto's mind...wonder how will that turn out :P

Ryuujin

2006-05-25, 17:19

Okay, this is getting fucking ridiculous...

I'll take filler over this any day.

When is Kishimoto going to stop making up new functions of the Sharingan? Is there anything it can't do? First it can see through and copy any jutsu, and perform special genjutsus. Then comes the Mangekyou, and now it can trap people in a mental torture-world. And shoot ultra-powerful flames. And warp things into alternate dimensions. Oh yeah, and it lets you enter a Jinchuuriki's seal too.

I mean, come on. This is just getting absurd.
Hell, I think he's even started to give it some Byakugan abilities...

Rurik

2006-05-25, 17:39

The surface area of a human is many times the surface area of one hand. I'm not sure what the SA of a hand takes up, but an entire body is around 1.5 m^2 for someone Sasuke's size. Using a gusstimate on the SA of my hand, its around 750 cm^2. That means Sasuke's full body chidori is covering 20 times the area as his one hand Chidori. Does that mean for every full body Chidori Sasuke does, he can do twenty regular Chidori?

I sort of understand you (geez, those calculations just make my head dizzy), but I think it shoould not be like that, Maybe this Chidory can cover his body, but the concentrated Chakra in the regular Chidori, could prove to be more Stamina Consuming.

Sazelist, now I could call it absurd that Sasuke is now able to Do 20 chidoris. ;)

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-25, 17:45

Okay, this is getting fucking ridiculous...

I'll take filler over this any day.

Hell, I think he's even started to give it some Byakugan abilities...

You just ment Hyuuga Abilities such as a Chidori released from his entire body.
"Neji who has mastered Juuken can release chakra from his whole body"
Now Sasuke basically can aswell.

First Gaara with his awesome defense...then Neji with his Kaiten...later on Naruto with his awesome chakra healing, armour and even a Chakra Kaiten on the bridge.

Now Chidori-Kaiten alike defense...for Sasuke...i guess Shino has something like this aswell with his bugs..Bug-Kaiten.

Anyway his sword aint the true Kusanagi...uhm...do you honestly believe Orochimaru would give him his most powerfull tool which he has inside himself...and used on Naruto.

I'd say Sasuke was cool when she fought Sasori...but right now she is getting protected again..argh..It suprises me what 3 years can do....from weak to true jounin strenght & skill..

Still...Neji should fight Sasuke...both are on Jounin LvL...and Yamato would surely lose to Neji aswell...

yamato_D

2006-05-25, 17:55

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 17:57

Hell, I think he's even started to give it some Byakugan abilities...I also thought of the same thing. That shooting chakra from all your body is more like Hyuga ability, and he seemed to have succeeded it that (or in Kishi's approach, mastered that).

Maybe in a few chapters we will learn that Sasuke's Sharingan, although looks like a Sharingan, is a hybrid Byagukan and Sharingan, and the first in the Uchiha clan - more developments to make Sasuke reach Itachi level asap, before HxH's mangaka dies.

But first Sasuke needs to introduce his demon to Kyuubi in Naruto's mind to have a happier reunion in the virtual world.

This is why Yondaime is the strongest ninja.
Why am I not surprised?!

That Other Ninja

2006-05-25, 18:02

I also thought of the same thing. That shooting chakra from all your body is more like Hyuga ability, and he seemed to have succeeded it that (or in Kishi's approach, mastered that).

Maybe in a few chapters we will learn that Sasuke's Sharingan, although looks like a Sharingan, is a hybrid Byagukan and Sharingan, and the first in the Uchiha clan - more developments to make Sasuke reach Itachi level asap, before HxH's mangaka dies.

But first Sasuke needs to introduce his demon to Kyuubi in Naruto's mind to have a happier reunion in the virtual world.

Why am I not surprised?!

You're insane.

Ori

2006-05-25, 18:07

Ther perks of being the author's favorite character that has taken a vacation from the series for over a year: You grow exponentially more powerful when you finally re-appear.

Hunter

2006-05-25, 18:13

The surface area of a human is many times the surface area of one hand. I'm not sure what the SA of a hand takes up, but an entire body is around 1.5 m^2 for someone Sasuke's size. Using a gusstimate on the SA of my hand, its around 750 cm^2. That means Sasuke's full body chidori is covering 20 times the area as his one hand Chidori. Does that mean for every full body Chidori Sasuke does, he can do twenty regular Chidori?
Well it's not like everything surrounding Sasuke vanished so the chakra around his body isn't as concentrated.
It was "just" enough to turn Yamato's jutsu into brushwood and knocking out Sai and Naruto so it might not use so much chakra compared to a regular Chidori, maybe even less if it's about the chakra use of let's say a Kaiten.

Sazelyt was ironic That Other Ninja.

Sazelyt

2006-05-25, 18:15

You're insane.Right choice of word to understand Kishi.;)

Yellow Flash

2006-05-25, 18:15

Now that we have seen Sasuke using chidori as defense...

The explosion on the bridge looks like Rasengan Nagashi to me. :)

Nameless

2006-05-25, 18:20

Why did such stupid people start reading/watching Naruto?

The only people in this thread making any sense is That Other Ninja and Uchiha Rurik (Up til about page 3, then he started spouting nonsense)

Firstly, imagine you have an ear piece on and you're talking to some girl that lives really far away. You're talking to her with an ear piece NO one can see. While you're talking to her, a person who's standing in front of you is all of a sudden in the conversation on the phone. "So what are you wearing?" "Oh I'm just-" "HAY GUYZ WUTZ GOIN AWN HARE LOL?"

EDITED for further clarification: As That Other Ninja said. Naruto is battling Kyuubi's will in his mind, and in his conscience he thinks of Kyuubi and imagines the power in front of him, waiting to be used. What Sasuke did is similar to wire tapping and talking to both of them. It's entirely intimidation and maybe genjutsu related.

That's what happened with Naruto, Sasuke and Kyuubi. Naruto FEELS all of this happening, but it feels a certain way that can be DESCRIBED by the illustration of Kyuubi being in a cage, a dungeon in a dark place with a wet floor. Sasuke simply read Naruto's mind and caught the conversation, but Kyuubi can see him THROUGH Naruto's eyes, and talks to him through Naruto's mind. However, putting all that on picture would confuse idiots, so Kishi and the artists gave us a visual representation of what it is.

Secondly, Sasuke's jump in power is to be expected, on the ground level. Firstly, Naruto and Sakura were borth worn out, and Naruto and Sakura are also both emotionally affected by the suprise of finding Sasuke. Naruto has also not trained as vigorously as Sasuke has for the past 2.5 years. I do not like Sasuke at all, but what's happening in the manga makes sense.

Yamato is powerful, but he didn't know Sasuke was transferring the power of Chidori through his sword. He even SAID in the manga he didn't know. Under ideal circumstances he wouldn't have gotten in front of Sasuke's sword at all, he would've waited to see what Sasuke's power is. The thing is, he had to save Sakura because she stupidly charged in instinctively.

And Uchiha Rave, you should be slapped for being that stupid. Itachi is a mediocre Uchiha? How stupid is that. Itachi would wipe the floor with Sasuke and not even break a sweat. Even with Sasuke's power now.

So in conclusion- Naruto hesitated and was arguing with Kyuubi during a combat situation, this gave Sasuke the upper hand and put Sai in a "save Naruto" position. He was disposed. Sai and Naruto ignorantly tried to hold Sasuke back so Yamato could put a jutsu on him, but they hadn't gauged Sasuke's strength yet, so they were disposed. Sakura rushed at Sasuke even though she saw what happened, Yamato had to save her and ended up getting pierced. Sasuke used Sharingan on Naruto (Hasn't happened yet in the way Kakashi/Itachi use Sharingan) to get in between Naruto's conversation with Kyuubi and talk to him.

My prediction- Sasuke read Naruto's mind, to insult Naruto in front of Kyuubi and try to incite Naruto into using Kyuubi's power, because he wants to fight against Naruto in his true power. I think Naruto will try his hardest to not use Kyuubi and end up getting his ass beat by Sasuke while Sakura heals Yamato and they have to make a flashy retreat. This will be the beginning of a Naruto versus Sasuke arc, where Naruto has to train to fight Sasuke WITHOUT Kyuubi's form. At least that's what I think Kishimoto is going with the series.

EDITED for oversights and grammatical errors.

Rurik

2006-05-25, 18:26

Why did such stupid people start reading/watching Naruto?

The only people in this thread making any sense is That Other Ninja and Uchiha Rurik (Up til about page 3, then he started spouting nonsense)
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LOL, you actually made me review my posts after the 3rd page. :heh:

On thing, one can’t deny that Sasuke really call the attention:

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Since a long time the manga thread has not have this amount of viewers.

Nameless

2006-05-25, 18:35

Don't worry. What's the usual episode range for an arc? 50-70 issues maybe?

When Naruto starts training to fight Sasuke, you'll start to see the Sasuke fans vanish. Some of the stupid ones, like Rave, will stick around during that time and try to advocate that Sasuke will win, but since this is still a manga, you can expect that:

Naruto will train, Sasuke will lose.

yamato_D

2006-05-25, 18:40

Rurik

2006-05-25, 18:46

well i hope this arc ends up accomplishing SOMETHING, other than a quick appearance by sasuke and a massive showing of how weak konoha's shinobi are. just seems like it'd be a waste of time if team 7 didn't manage to either kill or capture someone.

Well they have killed something alright….Time!

But arcs usually ends up with information that helps in the general picture of the series, last arc give us more details about Akatsuki, maybe this arc will give us detail about something else. But IMO, as of know No big revelations has been made to help the development of the series.

Zek

2006-05-25, 19:49

Naruto has also not trained as vigorously as Sasuke has for the past 2.5 years.
On what grounds do you make that assumption? Naruto said in the beginning that Jiraiya trained the hell out of him during their time. We have no basis on which to conclude that he was taking it easy compared to Sasuke. Sasuke might have had a slight head start while Naruto was recovering in the hospital; then again, Oro was recovering from his transfer so he may not have started the training right away either.

Kishimoto gave Naruto a heavy handicap in this arc as a setup for him to embarass himself in front of Sasuke. Naruto can't even maintain a run without falling on his face thanks to the Kyuubi side-effects, it's obvious Sasuke is going to dominate him. This not only makes Sasuke look like a badass for his long-awaited introduction, but it also provides Naruto with the motivation for training afterwards even if he wasn't really as far behind as he thought.

Souten no Seigyoku

2006-05-25, 20:09

Im tellin you people, Sasuke is a Mary Sue. That's why hes so overpowered.
He's Kishimotos alter ego.

Edit: Ive been calling Kishimoto by the wrong name. Bleh I never paid attn to the authors name

yanoch

2006-05-25, 20:18

For me it only the first round that just finished. Team 7 were cough by surprise and was nearly fatal. I really dont think Naruto is done yet, there is too many hint in that arc that he got a untapped power within him. I mean, Yamato's speach about his chakra, the broken necklace, Naruto refusing Kyubi offer for power. We must not underestimate Naruto, he usually shine in those fight were we think he is done and that he got nothing anymore to give, this is were he usually grow the most. Being the underdog as been Naruto's life.

It's normal after all those chapter that Kisimoto gave Sasuke a shinning moment, imagine all the fans if he would got beated too easily. Sakura is full power and could use the moment to be usefull, Naruto got the time to turn into Kyubi phase one ( Not 1 tail ), it should have healed him and gave him a bit of power. ( Remembering Neji, Sasuke and Haku battle ) I really think that Sai isn't done yet

I hope to see a mini Sanin fight with Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura, that is why i doubt Oro will stop it, he will enjoy that fight too much. :)

I think Kisimoto will use the moment that Sasuke is in Naruto mind to reveal us some info on the storyline ( Demons, Uchiha, Akatsuki infos.. ), i mean, this arc has been pretty boring on that aspect so far...

Very good chapter, really enjoying it even if i'm not Sasuke is biggest fan.

Ashura3

2006-05-25, 21:45

First off, I've got to say that I thoughroughly enjoyed this chapter compared to the others. Everything felt paced nicely.

Second, people comparing Sasuke's chakra abilities to Neji's are being ridiculous. When Neji does a Kaiten, it's with a spin and enough force to toss someone away completely. And it certainly has more range. I imagine that his Kaiten is now closer to the one we saw Hiashi do during the Chuunin Exam. I mean, if Neji had done a Kaiten in the same situation as Sasuke did his Body-Chidori, everyone would've been blown away and possibly knocked out. All Sasuke's did was give them a little shock.

Third, I don't find his strength overpowered or a result of bias from the author at all. He's supposed to be Naruto's foil and Itachi's killer, what do you expect? Especially afetr training with Orochimaru for 2.5 years? And that's also 2.5 years of experience with the Sharingan. One thing that's VERY important about the fight we're seeing here is, as someone else put it earlier, underestimation. How did Naruto win most of his fights? By taking advantage of his enemies underestimating him. Why is it so hard to believe Sasuke can achive the same results when placed in the same situation?

Don't get me wrong, I'm more a Naruto fan than I am a Sasuke one. But his current level of strength is exactly where it should be in order to develop Naruto.

Hunter

2006-05-25, 22:04

Second, people comparing Sasuke's chakra abilities to Neji's are being ridiculous. When Neji does a Kaiten, it's with a spin and enough force to toss someone away completely. And it certainly has more range. I imagine that his Kaiten is now closer to the one we saw Hiashi do during the Chuunin Exam. I mean, if Neji had done a Kaiten in the same situation as Sasuke did his Body-Chidori, everyone would've been blown away and possibly knocked out. All Sasuke's did was give them a little shock.
Actually we saw the result of several Kaiten from Neji when team Gai fought their clones and the size of the damage on the ground didn't really increase.
I have no doubt Neji can expend the sphere of chakra more than he did but in this kind of situation he didn't.
Then the "little shock" from the Chidori Nagashi was enough to KO Sai and Naruto at once and shred Yamato's jutsu.

If I were to compare these two jutsu I would say the Kaiten is still better in pure defense while the Chidori Nagashi offers more possibility in term of counter attack.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-25, 22:29

Alright, I joined this forum mainly because the recent chapters have sparked a controversy of theories and opinions surronding the Naruto series. I decided to add my own theories and opinions. I believe that this chapter was extremely awesome. The fact that Sasuke had just stunned the whole "Team 7," was I have to admit insane but at the same time "too much". His power has grown to be maybe more than anyone had expected. The reactions of the Team were, "Sai KO'ed Naruto thrown aside, Sakura dumbfounded, and Yamato injured severly. As for the matter of Sasuke entering the conversation between Naruto and Kyuubi... Well, that proves to be something. I believe Sasuke using his hand to touch the Kyuubi (apparition,chakara,entity) is just him analyzing it. Really there is no true fact that in anyway he had stopped it or had intended to remove "Yondaime's" Seal. Right now there are endless possibilites, but the most likely one to happen in my "opinion".
Sasuke speaks to the Kyuubi. Kyuubi either holds a conversation with him revealing Kyuubis past with the Uchihas, Ignores him and continues with Naruto, OR gets enraged with Sasuke appearance and tries to somehow throw him out. Most likely Sasuke and Naruto will engage in Part II of their fight. As for that technique I think Naruto has not yet revealed it. In which he plans to reveal it hopefully in the next chapter(s).

Ashura3

2006-05-25, 23:27

Actually we saw the result of several Kaiten from Neji when team Gai fought their clones and the size of the damage on the ground didn't really increase.
I have no doubt Neji can expend the sphere of chakra more than he did but in this kind of situation he didn't.
Then the "little shock" from the Chidori Nagashi was enough to KO Sai and Naruto at once and shred Yamato's jutsu.

If I were to compare these two jutsu I would say the Kaiten is still better in pure defense while the Chidori Nagashi offers more possibility in term of counter attack.

Ah, that's my mistake. I rushed my reading through the chapter and didn't notice that Sai was KOed. However, Naruto was still conscious and I blame the weakness he showed as a result of his condition before the Chidori Nagashi, not because of it.

I don't completely agree with your last line but I suppose that's just a matter of opinion. Neji's Kaiten, to me, is a superior move to the Chidori Nagashi in terms of defense /and/ offense.

I still say it's ridiculous to compare Sasuke's chakra abilities to Neji's, although you (Hunter) didn't make that claim.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-25, 23:31

EDITED for further clarification: As That Other Ninja said. Naruto is battling Kyuubi's will in his mind, and in his conscience he thinks of Kyuubi and imagines the power in front of him, waiting to be used. What Sasuke did is similar to wire tapping and talking to both of them. It's entirely intimidation and maybe genjutsu related.

That's what happened with Naruto, Sasuke and Kyuubi. Naruto FEELS all of this happening, but it feels a certain way that can be DESCRIBED by the illustration of Kyuubi being in a cage, a dungeon in a dark place with a wet floor. Sasuke simply read Naruto's mind and caught the conversation, but Kyuubi can see him THROUGH Naruto's eyes, and talks to him through Naruto's mind. However, putting all that on picture would confuse idiots, so Kishi and the artists gave us a visual representation of what it is.

I agree with all the points of Naruto battling Kyuubi's will and Sasuke tapping into their interaction.

However I don't agree that Kyuubi is looking at the situation Naruto sees in front of him, in order to identify Sasuke.

Otherwise he would not have asked him who he wants to kill and when Kabuto nearly killed Naruto Kyuubi seemed ignorant as to what was going on and why he was being threatened with death.

Kyuubi seems to only be able to communicate with Naruto within his subconcious (if the seal was broken he could re-merge into the outside world). He feeds on Naruto's emotions, he knows when he is in a struggle and when he is in one he lends him his power in order to weaken the seal.

There really isn't much difference between what we are saying. We agree that Sasuke has literally penetrated Naruto's subconscious.

All I'm saying is that Sasuke's presence there is similar to what Itachi does with genjutsu. While Naruto's interaction with Kyuubi may be best described as his imagination projecting the internal struggle they are having, Sasuke has entered both his mind and manifested himself within that projection.

As in say you are daydreaming and while you are awake and can see everything going on around you, you are imagining something in your head. Kyuubi's cage and surrounding is that image Naruto has in his head and Sasuke has tapped into that as if someone has entered your dream.

By contrast I think Inner Sasuke is a better example of figurative imagery. Sakura is not necessarily imaging a violent Sakura it is more like that typical "little voice" people hear when they think to themselves, only it is drawn out.

Kyuubi's interaction with Naruto seems to me to be a little more complex than figurative imagery.

I think Naruto will try his hardest to not use Kyuubi and end up getting his ass beat by Sasuke while Sakura heals Yamato and they have to make a flashy retreat. This will be the beginning of a Naruto versus Sasuke arc, where Naruto has to train to fight Sasuke WITHOUT Kyuubi's form. At least that's what I think Kishimoto is going with the series.

There would be no point to this timeskip if Naruto has not grown atleast comparatively as much as Sasuke. He may still be weaker and may lose this exchange but I think Kishimoto is really setting us up to show what Naruto has learned up until the present.

I think Naruto will break Sasuke's genjutsu, end the conversation with him and Kyuubi and then we will see a duel between the two while Sakura heals Yamato and Sai and they look on to see Naruto duel Sasuke with his true strength.

WLegend

2006-05-25, 23:31

Man, im quite dissapointed in Naruto, to get dominated by Sasuke like this, well the battleing isn't over, i hope Naruto show me something good because he's been a freakn huge dissapointment. Team 7 has been a dissapointment. Well, 3 years is almost up Oro is gonna take over Sasuke's body soon, and Sasuke is about to kill Naruto, to gain MS soon. Oro and Jiraiya both are Sannins, it's unfair how Sasuke is getting much more results from Oro than Naruto getting from, and you know what is hella ridiculas too???, Jiraiya spent 2.5 years training Naruto to use Kyuubi's powers efficient, now Naruto is Freaking GONNA ABANDON it, what a freaking waste of 2.5 years.....

Kish done something stupid again......

Rich

2006-05-25, 23:33

Man, im quite dissapointed in Naruto, to get dominated by Sasuke like this, well the battleing isn't over, i hope Naruto show me something good, because he has been a freakn huge dissapointment, Team 7 has been a dissapointment, well, 3 years is almost up, and Sasuke is about to kill Naruto, to gain MS soon. Oro and Jiraiya both are Sannin it is unfair Sasuke get so much more results from Oro, Jiraiya is strong himself too, and you know what is hella ridiculas, Jiraiya spent 2.5 years on helping Naruto using Kyuubi's powers efficient, now FREAKING NOW IS GONNA ABANDON it, what a freaking waste of 2.5 years.....

Kish done something stupid again......

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=32514

you shoulda posted that on that thread =)

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-25, 23:48

This next chapter will hopefully be an epic battle with Team 7 vs Team Orochimaru(Well pretty much Sasuke). Hopefully there is not any...Flashbacks, Chapter Long Dialogue, OR Scene Changing (EX:Showing whats going on in Konoha)
BUT, just because I said that all three are going to happen next chapter. damn.

Rich

2006-05-26, 00:20

yes and one member from team orochimaru is pwning team 7... game over ~ ^^

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-26, 01:02

What can I say. Sasuke has some flashy moves to go along with his snappy dialogue. I'm impressed. However, about Kyuubi knowing of the Uchihas. I was thinking about this. Is it possible that the attack on Konoha those many years ago had a connection with the Uchiha and Kyuubi? Possibly caused by the clan and their greed for power? Maybe they secretly tried to control the Kyuubi with their sharingans which got out of hand causing it to attack the village. I could be wrong though, after all its just a theory. Maybe Danzou had unleashed the Kyuubi on the village? He has a grudge on the village for not electing him as Konoha's Hokage.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-26, 01:20

Team 7 vs Team Orochimaru

As far as the name of the squad is concerned I think it is most accurate to call them Team Kakashi.

Team 7 was Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto as a Genin group under the tutalage of a sensei (Kakashi).

They've been elevated in rank just as Yondaime's genin would have had a team number but once Kakashi was elevated to Jounin he became the team leader on their fated mission. They became Team Kakashi.

Naruto and Sakura are no longer Genin (well Sakura is no longer a Genin :heh:), there is no more team 7.

We might call them Team Yamato but he is just Kakashi's replacement, that's why he introduces them to Sasuke as Team Kakashi.

Kakashi went from being their Jounin instructor to being their team leader.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-26, 01:31

Thats true as it is also complicated :heh:. So I see Team Kakashi vs Team Orochimaru. Check this out though...
Naruto most likely has not unleashed that technique could this mean its another level of Rasengan? That would be a good counter towards Sasuke's new Chidori Nagashi. He has done Rasengan & Rasengan Dodom...something..
Maybe His new technique is like a wave of chakara...
I will dub it Rasengamehameha Wave!

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-26, 02:00

When Itachi did his genjutsu on Naruto it was very interesting (i mean the second genjutsu, the first failed by Naruto countering it) : Naruto saw Sasuke and Gaara and Sakura, and they were talking about things that Itachi could not know about. So Itachi read completely Naruto's mind, all his memories and feelings and wishes and fears, etc. ? And in just a second he used that knowledge to make Naruto cry like a baby.
That would mean Itachi has simply scanned Naruto's mind and got knowledge of all major matters. That's far more powerful genjutsu capability than what Kakashi did to Zabuza or Sasuke is doing now to Naruto.
Of course the other possibility is that Itachi simply triggered some nightmare in Naruto's mind which is done by amplifieing the subconscious part of the brain. So that Itachi could do that without knowing all those facts about Naruto. But even in this case I consider such a jutsu more powerful than anything Kakashi or Sasuke can do.

After oodama rasengan we saw Sasuke's improved chidori. And that he has mastered the sharingan. Sasuke has shown that taijutsu and genjutsu are his specialities, so as i explained earlier the only chance against him is using ninjutsu.

It is highly possible that Sakura could be able to break that sword - and you know that sharingan master did only use his sword against Yamato. And after that only god knows what might happen, so it is too early to talk about mistake.
If Sasuke's sharingan works correclty she cannot land a single hit, it's just useless being so strong against a sharingan master. Remember the bell test, Kakashi's sharingan was ruling there, Sakura could not connect a single hit during the entire night. At the present situation there is no Chiyo to move Sakura's body, and also the opponent is very special in taijutsu field.

If Kishimto is determined to show us a really evil Sasuke he has to make him kill Sai. That would change things in Naruto's and Sakura's thinking about Sasuke, trigger some serious reaction. I think they still consider him just a friend who has been misleaded by Orochimaru, so will they consider him a real enemy after he kills Sai ?

Rachy

2006-05-26, 02:19

If Kishimto is determined to show us a really evil Sasuke he has to make him kill Sai. That would change things in Naruto's and Sakura's thinking about Sasuke, trigger some serious reaction. I think they still consider him just a friend who has been misleaded by Orochimaru, so will they consider him a real enemy after he kills Sai ?

Do you think they would ever do that? the only reason Sakura got so strong was to save Sasuke, Naruto has made a lifetime promise he will bring Sasuke back to Konoha, i dont think they would ever think of Sasuke that way..

Maybe hate Orochimaru abit more?

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-26, 02:36

Do you think they would ever do that? the only reason Sakura got so strong was to save Sasuke, Naruto has made a lifetime promise he will bring Sasuke back to Konoha, i dont think they would ever think of Sasuke that way..

Maybe hate Orochimaru abit more?

Kishimoto never killed any young character from Kohoha, furthermore he never killed any young character after Haku's death. The death of Sai would be a very important thing in the plot, if Kishimoto decides to do it.

Beating Sasuke and carrying him back to Konoha would be some idiotic way to end this arc. This is not like the case with Gaara. Sasuke has to change completely, and that change can be done only by himself now. What Naruto and Sakura can do is to make him understand that he is becoming like the person most hated, that the whole logic behind his own existence will collapse if he kills Naruto. I expect that after Oro's death Sasuke will become a lone warrior, who will try to become stronger in a good way. The one who is appearing on the scene to save Naruto in the last minute, special appearances are his speciality :) A cool character who travels around the world, but helps out Naruto when he is in need.
Sai's death could be something that triggers some events that lead Sasuke to have his doubts about the chosen way. Than he begins to think about his decision and the situation he is in now, and he slowly begins to change for the better.
Someone cannot force another person to be good, by using force they can only kill him, not save him.

Syaoran

2006-05-26, 03:04

Come come ... settle down a little... Manga isn't supposed to reflect reality in every detail and basically I don't see why any author would define the limits of each of his characters from the first page. You'd see the end arriving at high speed that way.

Of course it's not the real kusanagi... mind what Sasuke said on page 9
オレの草薙の剣は少し特別でな
ガード不可ってヤシだ
ore no kusanagi no ken ha sukoshi tokubetsu dena
gaado fukatte yashi da ( If I'm not mistaken ^^' )

He's talking about HIS kusanagi (yeah, capital letters, since "ore" is a very boastful way to talk about oneself. Sasuke says something like his kusanagi being a special one that cannot be blocked (Someone confirms?)

Maybe kusanagi is just a way to call a Katana in the Narutoverse. Or it's derived from the real Kusanagi Orochimaru hold on to as if his life depends on it ^^'

Concerning Sasuke's intrusion, I'd really like to know what? & how?
Him touching Kyuubi's chakra materialization is rather a reaction of someone wanting to touch something that he never saw before... like getting a feel of it: is it soft, hard, warm, cold, ... to realize something does exist.
I don't see how in the world this could insunuate Kyuubi is Sasuke's pet >_>

For me it's not that farfetched that Sasuke can enter Naruto's sub-conscious. Ino can enter another ones mind as well to control the body and has no Sharingan at all.
The big difference between Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan I think is the ability to control time & space... or at least ones perception of time. Kakashi managed to send (or at least try to send) Deidara in some other no man's land dimension. It absorbed that nuclear bomb worth explosion.
Itachi on his side can control perception of time inside one's mind. Kakashi stayed for 24 hours in Itachi's Tsukiyomi, suffering torture. Although it lasted just a few seconds in measured time it didn't hurt him psysically but his mind was raped severely.

My guess would be that a well trained 3 dotted Sharingan has the ability to invade a person's mind, dreams or subconsious. The Kyuubi didn't look very surprised to see an Uchiha.

This just has to give Orochimaru a hardon at the idea of possessing that body one day and be able to use these Sharingan related jutsu's he couldn't create or learn.

What troubles me most here is that Sasuke remains very calm in the way he speaks and stands next to Naruto. I don't believe Naruto sensed him. He sees Sasuke (mind the "!?" balloon ^^) and from the looks of it, they aren't going to fight inside the mind and maybe Sasuke won't attack him when he gets out of Naruto's mind or gets knocked out by force by Sakura. He's rather busy to notice her (pinning down Yamato and saying hello to Kyuubi).

As for the seal. That thing is still in place on the cage and didn't even move, frickle or got worn out. The only person to be able to remove that seal would be Yondaime sama or Naruto once he's strong enough. No way Sasuke can remove it or even thinks about removing it. He knows very well what Kyuubi had done to Konoha and the effort and high price they paid to seal it.

And ... Welcome back Yellow Flash http://msn.blogatudo.com/messenger/e/pyong/images/0001.gif

Rachy

2006-05-26, 03:07

24 hours in Itachi's Tsukiyomi, suffering torture. Although it took lasted just a few seconds in measured time

72* hours =P.

WLegend

2006-05-26, 03:58

Yellow Flash

2006-05-26, 04:51

When Itachi did his genjutsu on Naruto it was very interesting (i mean the second genjutsu, the first failed by Naruto countering it)

Wrong. Naruto failed to counter anything Itachi ever did, and this genjutsu was one and the same.

Itachi 216

2006-05-26, 06:07

All i gotta say is Naruto better step up, don't tell me you do the same old move over and over(bunshin then rasengan), that crap freaking!!!! pisses me off big time...!!!!!

We've been seeing that move ever since he learned Rasengan, that is the only move Kish gave him...im very pissed at the Author, deserve a bit*h slap...after 2.5 years he does the same move, some bunshin then Rasengan (but more efficient)!!!(its the same crap), hella repetitive.

At this rate i rather see Naruto die, then to watch his same lame old moves...Kish is Bias as fu*k
Uhuh...and Sasuke got new moves? He was always good at taijutsu and always used his sharingan. I dont see anything new at him besides that changed chidori (Naruto also changed his rasengan by combining 2 of them or forming it to a bunshin's hand which is transformed to another person. That works swell. Sakura got some more power but hey she was always rediculusly strong anyway! I dont know how the hell Kakashi has that form of "mangekyou" but it's not the one Itachi has anyway and...thats it.

Naruto will keep trying to do things the way he always did, an idiot like him wont change. That's the meaning of the story. Strong will to protect his friends with his dream to be the best his own ninja way. I bet you forgot that. Naruto aint some genius to come up with a super killer move like yondaime to dominate and be cool. He's cool in his own way. Wanna see cool powered up shitheads, watch dbz.

Also you have no reason to be angry at kishimoto, it's HIS story, HE does whatever he wants with HIS story. If you dont like it, stop reading it.

Mirtual

2006-05-26, 08:00

Wrong. Naruto failed to counter anything Itachi ever did, and this genjutsu was one and the same.
I was wondering when you would show up to take the current chapter and actions as a possiblity to prove us that Yondaime is the strongest shinobi ever, and look at that boring comment you made. What a major let down.

EDIT:
This is why Yondaime is the strongest ninja.
It was stated that Sealing Jutsu is an indication of strength.
The Kyuubi Seal is obviously the most complex of all.
Notice that there is a thin line between Youma power and loss of control.
But with Yondaime's seal, Naruto can tap into Kyuubi's full power yet Kyuubi can't break out.
Chiyo's seal was unstable and Shukaku was free as soon as Gaara went to sleep.
Oh sorry, I take that from above back. Just two pages earlier and there I found it.

AND EVEN MORE EDIT, cause multiposting sucks:

If hey are not good enough to deal with the blows of Sasukes, then they obviously can’t take him on, as Sasuke was cornered by Both Sai and Naruto, and he still could break free, as Yamato tried to do something against him, and he could not, But you still have a point, Yamato and Sai could be hindered by the fact that they are trying to protect the other 2.

But that is my point. Naruto and Sakura are slowing them down. They can't move freely, can't use the jutsus they want to. I.e. What if Yamato would have somthing up his sleeve but can't start forming hand seals and execute an Jutsu because he has to jump in and save, let's say Sakura :rolleyes:
I am not saying they are a match to him. As I said, Sasuke was said to be able to fight Naruto in four tails mode. Considering this what he has shown so far is nothing.
But it is unfair to deny the fact that Sakura and Naruto are as good as uselsess because of their injuries and are slowing Sai and Yamato down. As mentioned, both got injured when they were about to save those two. The next few chapters will tell us how things really look like.

Very interesting chapter. Don't have time to give my comments now except one.

I am very interested in the fact that Kyuubi knows the Uchiha clan very well and that it appears he had interactions with them before. There was talks earlier about the demon statues in the Uchiha secret room and there was arguments on whether or not Uchihas is using demonic powers. This scene with Kyuubi is making it much more believable than before.
Actually I find it strange that this post seems to get ignored.
A rather interesting thing to say. I think someone said that this might be the reason why Itachi of all the Akatsukis was sent after Naruto, unfortunately I don't know who said it.
And there is still the unsolved mytery of the secret uchiha meetings back then.
This aspect sure is worth paying special attention to in the future.

EDIT: EDIT: Orochimaru said he was as strong as the three tailed Kyubi. My mistake there, but I still stick to the consequences I see in that sentence.

Illuyankas

2006-05-26, 08:21

I can see the Sharingan being backstoried now, as a genetic development designed to negotiate with the demons several generations ago, to help control them at a higher level then possible before. After Konoha/wherever the Uchihas lived cut down on their demon usage, the Uchihas became just a strong ninja clan. Could be why they brought in Yamato, as their original method of controlling Kyuubi - Sasuke, put in the same team as Naruto possibly to help get that connection for easier control - buggered off on a silly quest for vengence.

As an idea for explaining Kyuubi's recognition, it's not that bad (if I say so myself, lol), but if Sasuke wants to kill Naruto, I doubt there'll be any negotiations...

Rurik

2006-05-26, 08:44

He's talking about HIS kusanagi (yeah, capital letters, since "ore" is a very boastful way to talk about oneself. Sasuke says something like his kusanagi being a special one that cannot be blocked (Someone confirms?)

Maybe kusanagi is just a way to call a Katana in the Narutoverse. Or it's derived from the real Kusanagi Orochimaru hold on to as if his life depends on it ^^'

I was thinking the same thing, maybe Sasuke has another version of Kusanagy, or an offspring of Kusanagy maybe ^^

For me it's not that farfetched that Sasuke can enter Naruto's sub-conscious. Ino can enter another ones mind as well to control the body and has no Sharingan at all.

Nice observation, this type of Jutsu shows that is not that farfetched what Sasuke is doing right now.

Ero-Senn1n, I believe that Itachi Genjutsu just works activating certain fear from the affected person, creating this nightmarish illusion, I don’t think he really got to read Narutos mind.

Coder8

2006-05-26, 08:57

You guys are whining to much about sasuke.
He got the jump on a jounin. So what? No one said he was out. Soon as the swords removed he will probally get the feeling back in him.
How many times have we seen worse wounds where they kepted on fighting. What he has is just a prick.
And if sai goes down from that,he is the biggest pussy of them all.
This is far from over.

yinstro

2006-05-26, 09:11

like many have said, i think you overestimate or previously underestimated sasuke appearing in front of kyuubi. Naruto's reaction with kyuubi is one that occurs in his mind, not an alternate dimension, or else he'd disappear everytime he goes to "kyuubi" dimension.
The sharingan from teh start has been a very mental eye, when kakashi first used it to hypnotize, when itachi dispelled genjutsu, when he used the woman to distract jiraiya. Tsukyomi is infact a complete dominance over someones mind, so much that they cant do anything but suffer your will for seemingly up to 72 hours. It also can sense chakra or something of that nature.
Sasukes performance, "owning" is merely just this, the ninja who can surprise teh others will win, its not a power battle. Simply put he surprised sai with his chidori wave, and yamato with his chidori swords. A ninja can kill another with something as simple as poison (see jiraiya when he got drugged) He probably hasnt even showed much of his talent yet.
As far as him destroying kyuubi, I doubt it, maybe he can seal or unseal him, through naruto, but unsealing him would serve no purpose. adding to his seal isnt as big a deal as yall say, oro did it during teh chuunin exams in about 1 minute, and sasuke has been studying under oro.
as far as kuubi recognizing an uchiha, i wonder if it has to do with the two statues who kakashi said reminded him of sasuke and naruto, as well as having something to do with the founding of konoha, i guess we will see

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-26, 09:14

Ero-Senn1n, I believe that Itachi Genjutsu just works activating certain fear from the affected person, creating this nightmarish illusion, I don’t think he really got to read Narutos mind.

Yes, I proposed this concept as well.

It's been explained during the Zabuza encounter that sharingan cannot read minds.

Sasuke is in Naruto's sub-concious but that doesn't mean he can necessarily hear what Naruto himself is thinking.

Itachi likely created a genjutsu that exploited Naruto's fears and insecurities and then Naruto's private thoughts fed into the genjutsu creating the illusion. A very creative jutsu indeed.

Hunter

2006-05-26, 09:45

Ah, that's my mistake. I rushed my reading through the chapter and didn't notice that Sai was KOed. However, Naruto was still conscious and I blame the weakness he showed as a result of his condition before the Chidori Nagashi, not because of it.

I don't completely agree with your last line but I suppose that's just a matter of opinion. Neji's Kaiten, to me, is a superior move to the Chidori Nagashi in terms of defense /and/ offense.
Well Naruto started to move after Sasuke took care of Yamato but he was motionless on the ground after the attack. Naruto being basically the toughest thing there is in this manga I would have been surprised otherwise.

I think the Chidori Nagashi is better for conterattack purpose because contrary to the Kaiten you don't need to spin. Technically Sasuke can use this jutsu at any time while continuing to swing his sword for example or attacking in any others way whereas Neji should stop attacking to spin and can make himself vulnerable at the moment he stops -or is forced to stop as during his fight against Kidoumaru. Given that the Chidori Nagashi doesn't need body motion to attack the surrounding area it can't be stopped that way.
I wonder if flowing the Chidori through his sword can also be considered as a Chidori Nagashi or as a different jutsu, in the first case its versatility is really higher.

I still say it's ridiculous to compare Sasuke's chakra abilities to Neji's, although you (Hunter) didn't make that claim.
Yeah in term of chakra control Neji is still miles ahead, I'm just talking about the usefulness of both jutsu.

Coder8

2006-05-26, 10:04

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-26, 10:06

Naruto's reaction with kyuubi is one that occurs in his mind, not an alternate dimension, or else he'd disappear everytime he goes to "kyuubi" dimension.

I think most people acknowledge this, the main argument seems to be whether or not the visual image of the dungeon setting is a figurative representation of thier interaction or an actual image constructed by his mind.

I think it is the latter. You need only look at Naruto's first encounter with this setting

as far as kuubi recognizing an uchiha, i wonder if it has to do with the two statues who kakashi said reminded him of sasuke and naruto, as well as having something to do with the founding of konoha, i guess we will see

Those were of the 1st and 2nd Hokage, I doubt it has anything to do with them.

I think it more than likely has to do with the secret Uchiha meeting place Itachi told Sasuke about and the special purpose Sharingan serves.

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-26, 11:52

Wrong. Naruto failed to counter anything Itachi ever did, and this genjutsu was one and the same.

Please try to remember that Itachi's first attempt was disspelled by Naruto after he had the flashback with Jiraiya teaching him how to disspell it. If I remember correctly that was the one where crows were flying and such.
Then Itachi complimented him on being able to do that and went on to make an even more powerful gejutsu which was strong enough against Naruto.
The whole thing has shown us that Naruto is most likely able to disspell a genjutsu by an average jounin who is good in genjutsu, i think he can do it even with Kurenai's genjutsu. But he cannot do anything against genjutsu of a kage level person like Itachi. Genjutsu still remains Naruto's weakest side, so now the question is if Sasuke will be able to make a strong enough genjutsu to trap Naruto in it. So far it seems that both his taijutsu and genjutsu skills are enough against Naruto, he needs only one move, either gen or tai jutsu and it's over. But the next chapters will surely disappoint some Sasuke-fanboys/girls :)

Rurik

2006-05-26, 12:05

Last_Hope

2006-05-26, 12:09

It was a good chapter but I expected more.

And Sakura, she´s really slow isn´t she. Naruto, Sai and Yamato all had time to react while she just stood there. And then she rushes in when Sasuke is standing alone. Is her tactics still hugging? Women. :p :heh:

Considering Sasuke now has "upgraded" his Sharingan and also said hello to Naruto´s imaginary friend.:p Do you think there´s a chance that he might be able to follow the speed of the Kyuubi´s chakra aswell this time? Enough to give him time to react?

And if that´s so. Then that jutsu could be... Hiraishin (or how it´s spelled.) :D :heh:

Wouldn´t it atleast be kind of refreshing if Naruto went more to the side of tactics, creativity and speed instead of raw power like most heroes in shounen series? Atleast I would like that.

(Considering Hiraishin.)

tritoch

2006-05-26, 12:12

kikko_s

2006-05-26, 12:26

Well, Naruto is already using tactics and creativity to his advantage. He lacks the speed which I think that jutsu supplements.

I wanna see some fighting between Sasuke and Naruto hopefully they'll match each other pretty well.

Can't wait for teh next episode. He doesn't want to use Kyuubi, but he may not have a choice. I remember from a few chapters back, they were talking about how Naruto's seal is beginning to weaken. So Kyuubi might just come out of him anyway.

yinstro

2006-05-26, 12:43

Those were of the 1st and 2nd Hokage, I doubt it has anything to do with them.

I think it more than likely has to do with the secret Uchiha meeting place Itachi told Sasuke about and the special purpose Sharingan serves.

while i concede that those maybe teh first and second, i didnt get that vibe from kakashi, and teh fact that the figure looks nothing like the second. it is possible he changed his style and hair but

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/yinstro/naruto_ch217_p18-19.gif
and
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/yinstro/nidaime.gif

look nothing like, in fact the figure who is most likely not the first, the figure on the left, hair looks almost exactly like an longer version of the type of hair that sasuke has.

Rich

2006-05-26, 12:48

anyone thought of sasuke turning back on oro after killing itachi?!

Last_Hope

2006-05-26, 12:52

Well, Naruto is already using tactics and creativity to his advantage. He lacks the speed which I think that jutsu supplements.

True. But as in his fight against Orochimaru it ended in a extreme power-up. In future situations like that I´m hoping that Naruto use creativity and speed more than just raw power and lasercannons. :D

It´d be cool if Naruto gets his own trademark jutsu like Yondaime, just to name one. Just that I´m hoping it´s based on creativity and speed (and of course he should make use of his stamina) more than something based on raw power.

Rich

2006-05-26, 12:56

It´d be cool if Naruto gets his own trademark jutsu like Yondaime, just to name one. Just that I´m hoping it´s based on creativity and speed (and of course he should make use of his stamina) more than something based on raw power.

Yes, Konoha's Second Yellow Flash, YELLOW FLASH II

Mirtual

2006-05-26, 13:03

And Sakura, she´s really slow isn´t she. Naruto, Sai and Yamato all had time to react while she just stood there. And then she rushes in when Sasuke is standing alone. Is her tactics still hugging? Women. :p :heh:

Thanks for ignoring my posts and this fine example of a prejudice...
Sakura is injured, and she did hesistate a moment. And you did not expect her to beat Sasuke, did you? I mean as much as I appreciate her growth, I don't think she can match up on Sasuke, especially when she is injured and not completey free of doubts.
Considering Sasuke now has "upgraded" his Sharingan and also said hello to Naruto´s imaginary friend.:p Do you think there´s a chance that he might be able to follow the speed of the Kyuubi´s chakra aswell this time? Enough to give him time to react?

And if that´s so. Then that jutsu could be... Hiraishin (or how it´s spelled.) :D :heh:

Wouldn´t it atleast be kind of refreshing if Naruto went more to the side of tactics, creativity and speed instead of raw power like most heroes in shounen series? Atleast I would like that.

(Considering Hiraishin.)
Again thanks for ignoring my posts. It is a miracle Naruto can even stand. His condition is really bad right now. Acting on the sides of tactics will do him no good either. What use does a plan have if he can't execute it since to his phyical exhaustion?
And what do you consider "refreshing" in seeing him starting to use more of Yondaimes jutsus? Refreshing would be to see him using something original.

anyone thought of sasuke turning back on oro after killing itachi?!
What a funny person you are.
While the topic of Sasukes strengh is still being discussed, since Sasuke is just about to show us what he is capable of, the majority of the intelligent readers think Sasuke is still not skilled enough to kill a healthy Itachi on his own. So the question is kind of pointless. On the other hand you may want to go through the chapter 307 thread and read about the CS and how it affects Sasuke. Most likely he will not be given a choice when it ever comes down to this.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-26, 13:11

Please try to remember that Itachi's first attempt was disspelled by Naruto after he had the flashback with Jiraiya teaching him how to disspell it. If I remember correctly that was the one where crows were flying and such.Then Itachi complimented him on being able to do that and went on to make an even more powerful gejutsu which was strong enough against Naruto.

False.

Notice that the Itachi who started the shuriken-attack was the crow-genjutsu-Itachi,
who should have been long gone by your claim that the first genjutsu was defeated.
It was not.

Even Itachi said that he has gown much, parting that he was able to dispel the first Genjutsu.

Itachi said Naruto has gotten better, not that he dispell his genjutsu.
Then you seem to forget the part when Itachi clearly stated "he is still too weak".

-

Last_Hope

2006-05-26, 13:21

Thanks for ignoring my posts and this fine example of a prejudice...
Sakura is injured, and she did hesistate a moment. And you did not expect her to beat Sasuke, did you? I mean as much as I appreciate her growth, I don't think she can match up on Sasuke, especially when she is injured and not completey free of doubts.

Again thanks for ignoring my posts. It is a miracle Naruto can even stand. His condition is really bad right now. Acting on the sides of tactics will do him no good either. What use does a plan have if he can't execute it since to his phyical exhaustion?
And what do you consider "refreshing" in seeing him starting to use more of Yondaimes jutsus? Refreshing would be to see him using something original.

You´re very welcome. :D If the posts you´re referring to are one of those looooong ones I probably skipped through it half fast. Otherwise I most likely read it. For the record I read your posts since you do post good posts. :D But my memory is what it is... :heh:

Prejudice? Take a joke for what it´s worth instead. :p
(If you can´t joke about something like that...)

No. I never wrote that. As far as my memory tells me. :heh:
But considering as you say, she is injured, tired and confused. Then why. Why in the world did she rush against Sasuke when he got the upperhand of the entire situation again. That´s just plain stupid. And... Well, Sakura being confused might explain that I suppose.
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Here I can´t agree at all with you. In situations like these tactics is needed. When you´re at an advantage tactics might not matter that much. But when you´re at a disadvantage tactics should be used. Either for retreating or for trying to turn the situation around. I don´t know what you would advocate in situations like these but I would preferr to use my head and think. And you usually try to think of something that you can do. Not something you can´t. :p

It would be refreshing to me since I´ve seen Yondaime use that move maybe a handfull of times in a very short arc. And it´s a speed based jutsu. Not being based on power alone and creating mass destruction makes it original enough for me.

Edit//
Fixing errors and adding and removing and adding some more and then removing something else. And now I´m probably done. I hope.

Rurik

2006-05-26, 13:37

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-26, 14:00

Itachi, is still on another level than everybody else. Just his "Special" Kage Bunshin using another human, which was powerful enough to create genjutsu and a Koton (Fire) technique of that caliber proved he has amazing abilities. As a matter of fact at one point he was an ANBU leader at a young age. He also possess the Mangekyou Sharingan, which he has created two infamous techniques (Tsukyomi/Amaretsu). Sasuke may have improved. BUT compared to Itachi I think he still has a VERY long way to go. Afterall, Itachi did defeat Kakashi with his MS not including the fact that even Orochimaru stated Itachi was stronger than himself.

Souten no Seigyoku

2006-05-26, 14:22

Naruto has already created his very own jutsus. He even improved upon his original Oroike no Jutsu. Maybe its "that" jutsu. :D

WLegend

2006-05-26, 14:50

Naruto isn't smart enough to create anything but some Lame tricks and in the end he is just gonna use Kyuubi, because thats all he got.

tritoch

2006-05-26, 14:59

That's why kyuubi needs to disappear to make Naruto stronger.

Its been like that, you need to lose something important to you before you can go SSJ like how goku did it when he lost kiririn to freeza or something like that.

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-26, 15:09

False.

Notice that the Itachi who started the shuriken-attack was the crow-genjutsu-Itachi,
who should have been long gone by your claim that the first genjutsu was defeated.
It was not.

Itachi said Naruto has gotten better, not that he dispell his genjutsu.
Then you seem to forget the part when Itachi clearly stated "he is still too weak".

-

Fanboys just can't stop :D
It is true that Naruto was attacked continuously by Itachi's genjutsu power, however there were clearly two stages which were totally different. I regard those two different genjutsu, the first being lower level genjutsu of Itachi, probably requires low chakra level (remember Itachi's goal was to use the less chakra he can, and and delay them the most time with it) while the second requires more chakra. So when the first was about to fail Itachi used up more chakra and used a different more powerful genjutsu. If Sasuke continuously attacks with little fireballs attack and seeing it has no effect uses immediately his biggest fire attack it's all fire based but still there were 2 jutsu, and also named differently and requiring different amount of chakra. Someone can use 2 different jutsu one immediately after another so that the target has no chance to take action.

Speaking of fanboys/girls i noticed two things:
1, Sai was holding Sasuke's hand, Sai never really tried to kill Sasuke.
2, When Sakura ran agains Sasuke notice that Yamato was standing on the opposite side of Sasuke, yet he managed to run between them! It's clear that Yamato did not want to kill Sasuke, otherwise he would have attacked at the same time instead of doing such a dangerous thing which resulted in his current situation.
We can say that team-yamato does not want to kill Sasuke while Sasuke is going for the kill (or at least it seems like that for now), and that's a big advantage for Sasuke.
Also it seems that Sasuke was commenting on his own moves, like "that guard, failed", maybe he is thinking about his precision remembering Itachi who always hits perfectly ( remember Itachi's trick with the 6 kunai). It might be that Sasuke has in his mind Itachi all the time, testing himself against the imagined power of Itachi.

Rurik

2006-05-26, 15:17

Speaking of fanboys/girls i noticed two things:
1, Sai was holding Sasuke's hand, Sai never really tried to kill Sasuke.
2, When Sakura ran agains Sasuke notice that Yamato was standing on the opposite side of Sasuke, yet he managed to run between them! It's clear that Yamato did not want to kill Sasuke, otherwise he would have attacked at the same time instead of doing such a dangerous thing which resulted in his current situation.
We can say that team-yamato does not want to kill Sasuke while Sasuke is going for the kill (or at least it seems like that for now), and that's a big advantage for Sasuke.

Just Because certain people suppress the need to Kill someone is not a reason to say it is a BIG advantage for the opponent, in this case there is no hint that the reason why Sasuke > them is because Team Kakashi is avoiding Killing him.

Luminion Lancer

2006-05-26, 15:51

-This is a dark day in Naruto history. If things continue the way they are now Naruto will not only die in the most brutal fashion he'll be forgotten completely. And Kishimoto-sensei is just plain scaring me right now. He has stated a while back that he knows exactly how he will end Naruto. Looking at this chapter I'm sad to say that he will just kill him off in the most brutal fashion possible and then laugh at all th disapointed fans. *Sigh* Honestly I was hoping for even the slightest possibility of Naruto getting through this ordeal but that seems highly unlikely now. Great now I must read more of Rave Master before I sink even further into deprssion.

-On a side note Naruto was a total moron to not take Kyuubi's offer. Even if he gets taken over and then dies that's still a better fate than getting killed by Sasuke. Hell even getting Kyuubi extracted and then dying is better than getting killed by Sasuke.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-26, 15:56

well the main thing is,how do we know sai isnt pretending to be knocked out? is that so far fetched?

Also does anyone else notice naruto dropped the pendant he got? or it was knocked off. They drawed it in,so it must mean something.

Yes it certainly ment something:

- That necklace increases Yamato's abilities to control the Kyuubi...without it his powers are less usefull (As Jiraiya said before Yamato met team 7 and told him his usefullness.)

- The Kyuubi looked nice but then betrayed Naruto, with Sasuke in there.....something is definetly gonna happen.
(Who do you want to kill?)
(Take away that seal...)

I think Naruto might even go 5 tailed and seriously injure Sasuke...with Sakura saving Sasuke.

abazou

2006-05-26, 16:36

Syaoran

2006-05-26, 16:44

It's kind of late, but I've been busy whole day...

Let's all welcome back Yellow Flash on AnimeSuki :)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5818/yellowflash4pr.jpg
PS: if you think this is scary, go watch Silent Hill ~_^

Luminion Lancer

2006-05-26, 16:48

Umm seriously how old are you?

-19 and your point is?

Hunter

2006-05-26, 17:50

Also it seems that Sasuke was commenting on his own moves, like "that guard, failed", maybe he is thinking about his precision remembering Itachi who always hits perfectly ( remember Itachi's trick with the 6 kunai). It might be that Sasuke has in his mind Itachi all the time, testing himself against the imagined power of Itachi.
How can you conclude that Sasuke is commenting his own moves whereas he's commenting the guards of his opponents? http://kaosounet.free.fr/gif/cwm13.gif

While we're at (over?)rationalizing people's actions I would say that Sasuke in fact doesn't want to kill anyone!
He KOed Naruto and Sai and yet instead of stabbing their defenseless bodies on the ground he chose to attack Sakura/Yamato.
Worse, when he attacks Yamato he stabs him on the shoulder whereas there can be no way he could miss his heart given to his prediction ability and the fact that Yamato couldn't deviate the blade. Even after that he casually explain what he did instead of turning his blade on the wound toward a vital point and killing the poor paralyzed Yamato on the spot.
I can see only one explanation : Sasuke tries very hard not to kill anyone!
That or this is just the way Kishimoto decided to show the fight as he wants to show off Sasuke's superior strength while not obliterating his others characters.

Get what I'm coming at? Just like the reason they're right now badly beaten in front of him is meant to show off his strength and not particulary that they're handicaped because they try not to hurt him.

itachistyle

2006-05-26, 18:15

It seems to be a bit of both really. Naruto is literally dialouging with Kyuubi inside his mind and we are seeing a visual manifestation of this interaction, which Sasuke has tapped into using the Sharingan.

It's a realm within Naruto's sub-concious that can best be described as a type of dream world being manifested by the presence of a supernatural demon, that being Kyuubi.

Itachi has repeatedly used genjutsu not only to create visual illusions that we've seen Kakashi and Kurenai do but to create a dream world within his opponents mind which he controls. Sasuke has entered the dream world Kyuubi creates to interact with Naruto.

exactly
Itachi has probably the power to do that too but he couldn t do it probably simply because Kyubi wasn t creating a dream world to interact with Naruto(like it also happened when jiraiya pushed Naruto in a fit in the season one) when he met him

and to close, the whole situation in naruto's head is pretty rediculous. ok, so an uchiha has a special ability to tap into a jinchuriki's mind, i'm fine with that. but if that's true, why didn't itachi do it? i just don't buy how strong sasuke has become in only 2 1/2 years. that kind of progress makes no sense.

see what i said just before ;)

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-26, 18:20

How can you conclude that Sasuke is commenting his own moves whereas he's commenting the guards of his opponents? http://kaosounet.free.fr/gif/cwm13.gif

While we're at (over?)rationalizing people's actions I would say that Sasuke in fact doesn't want to kill anyone!
He KOed Naruto and Sai and yet instead of stabbing their defenseless bodies on the ground he chose to attack Sakura/Yamato.
Worse, when he attacks Yamato he stabs him on the shoulder whereas there can be no way he could miss his heart given to his prediction ability and the fact that Yamato couldn't deviate the blade. Even after that he casually explain what he did instead of turning his blade on the wound toward a vital point and killing the poor paralyzed Yamato on the spot.
I can see only one explanation : Sasuke tries very hard not to kill anyone!
That or this is just the way Kishimoto decided to show the fight as he wants to show off Sasuke's superior strength while not obliterating his others characters.

Get what I'm coming at? Just like the reason they're right now badly beaten in front of him is meant to show off his strength and not particulary that they're handicaped because they try not to hurt him.

I see, then i misinterpreted those two sentences. But all the "fight" was like Sasuke just training :)
I think that he did not have the time to attack, as Sakura attacked him immediately. She even commented that this time she will help, and it was time to help them she thought as they were on the ground and defenseless. Also Sasuke commented there that Yamato's defense "failed", but i don't think Sasuke's eye can predict when and where will a kunai brake, so he cannot tell exactly where he will hit (if in the heart if that's the target).
However it may be that you are the first to observe something that Kishimoto wanted not to be discovered so early :)
But i don't think that Sasuke plans to betray Oro, at least not yet.

ShikaShika

2006-05-26, 18:36

Then Itachi complimented him on being able to do that and went on to make an even more powerful gejutsu which was strong enough against Naruto.

I think YF means that those two genjutsus were one and the same. Itachi said he had grown but that he was still to weak. That sounds to me like Naruto couldn't handle it and that the "2nd genjutsu" was really a continuation of the "1st". But it could be argued either way really, and I can think of few arguments less worthy of discussion.

Also Sasuke commented there that Yamato's defense "failed", but i don't think Sasuke's eye can predict when and where will a kunai brake, so he cannot tell exactly where he will hit

I'm pretty sure he knew that the kunai's would break from his chidori-induced kusanagi. It's in the way Sasuke comments on their defences. I quickly translated the chapter myself and his responses to Sai's and Yamato's defenses respectively were that Sai chose the correct method (i.e. blocking Sasuke's arm and not the sword) while Yamato's attempt to block the sword was more or less futile to begin with.

itachistyle

2006-05-26, 18:39

well i don't know if neji is that strong, but i'm sure he's one of the best in konoha now. i'm fairly certain that at sasuke's current strength, neji wouldn't stand a chance against him. in fact i don't think any of the konoha shinobi besides gai, kakashi, tsunade and jiraiya would win against the brat.
yeah i kinda hate how kishimoto keeps adding new tricks to the sharingan. i mean i can understand that it's considered the greatest blood line limit, but come on.
i may be wrong, but wasn't there a famous ninja named sasuke in japanese legend? he was supposed to be the greatest ninja in history. just thought this to be an interesting tidbit.

a lot of people are saying that Sasuke is being overpowered.......but i'd like you to remind something: Sasuke has one goal ,to kill Itachi.......and i think we can all agree that Itachi's level is quite exceptionnal(for someone as arrogant and as strong as Oro to admit that he is weaker than him to the point he had to leave the Akatsuki just shows about who we are talking).....so sooner or later ,Sasuke will need to be at sannin level at least if he wants to achieve that goal.(we are past 300 chaps after all,don t forget)
actually even if Sasuke were at Sannin level ,i would say he is still weaker than Itachi,so strong Itachi is.
a lot of people doubted and still doubts that Oro was telling the truth when he said that Itachi was stronger than him......but the more we are learning and seeing about the Uchihas and the powers of the Sharingan and the more we are beginning to understand why they were so feared and why a guy who was able to destroy that clan in one night is that strong.
of course, Sasuke is Sasuke and Itachi is Itachi but in a way,what we have seen from Sasuke in the last 2 chapters is i think also a slow way for Kishimoto to show us a bit why a ninja as strong as Oro fears that much Itachi ,the absolute genius of the Uchiha clan.
what i mean is that by showing a so powerful Sasuke, Kishimoto wants indirectly to give us a taste of what Itachi is really capable and why he is that rated.

Hunter

2006-05-26, 18:58

I see, then i misinterpreted those two sentences. But all the "fight" was like Sasuke just training :)
I think that he did not have the time to attack, as Sakura attacked him immediately. She even commented that this time she will help, and it was time to help them she thought as they were on the ground and defenseless. Also Sasuke commented there that Yamato's defense "failed", but i don't think Sasuke's eye can predict when and where will a kunai brake, so he cannot tell exactly where he will hit (if in the heart if that's the target).
However it may be that you are the first to observe something that Kishimoto wanted not to be discovered so early :)
But i don't think that Sasuke plans to betray Oro, at least not yet.
Sasuke's Chidori infused sword cuts through metal like it's butter so really it's easy to know where his sword will go : exactly where he aims as nothing can block the sword (well shonen-nothing so until it's blocked by something ^^).
As for Sakura attacking him remember that she couldn't even see him moving toward Naruto. Sasuke isn't only able to predict her moves, he way faster to begin with.

Sasuke not killing them is the same as Sasori not killing Sakura and Chiyo despite the countless occasions or Shikamaru not beating Temari despite his 200IQ whereas it's not that hard to find a quick way to do it or Sasuke not Chidorizing Naruto's head at the VotE when he could predict his every moves or countless other examples.
It's not about hidden purpose, it's just the way Kishimoto imagined the fights.

Sazelyt

2006-05-26, 19:01

While we're at (over?)rationalizing people's actions I would say that Sasuke in fact doesn't want to kill anyone!
He KOed Naruto and Sai and yet instead of stabbing their defenseless bodies on the ground he chose to attack Sakura/Yamato.
Worse, when he attacks Yamato he stabs him on the shoulder whereas there can be no way he could miss his heart given to his prediction ability and the fact that Yamato couldn't deviate the blade. Even after that he casually explain what he did instead of turning his blade on the wound toward a vital point and killing the poor paralyzed Yamato on the spot.
I can see only one explanation : Sasuke tries very hard not to kill anyone!
That or this is just the way Kishimoto decided to show the fight as he wants to show off Sasuke's superior strength while not obliterating his others characters.

Get what I'm coming at? Just like the reason they're right now badly beaten in front of him is meant to show off his strength and not particulary that they're handicaped because they try not to hurt him. There can be many answers to his attitude, including overconfidence and pitying the opponents. But, a more likely explanation can be Sasuke's inheritance of Oro's personality, enjoying torture more than instantly killing. I think he considers Sai as someone not worthy of an opponent, considers the current Sakura as a projection of the Sakura he knows - hence again not worthy of wasting his moves on her, and killing Yamato without trying some other things on him would be a waste. For Naruto he might have other plans, including Kyuubi.

Anyway, the current Sasuke does not give the impression of keeping them alive because he doesn't want to kill them. For me he gives the impression of a person who will not hesitate to kill them when the time comes.

Luminion Lancer

2006-05-26, 21:26

There can be many answers to his attitude, including overconfidence and pitying the opponents. But, a more likely explanation can be Sasuke's inheritance of Oro's personality, enjoying torture more than instantly killing. I think he considers Sai as someone not worthy of an opponent, considers the current Sakura as a projection of the Sakura he knows - hence again not worthy of wasting his moves on her, and killing Yamato without trying some other things on him would be a waste. For Naruto he might have other plans, including Kyuubi.

Anyway, the current Sasuke does not give the impression of keeping them alive because he doesn't want to kill them. For me he gives the impression of a person who will not hesitate to kill them when the time comes.

-Hmmm...that's an interesting point. This new Sasuke seems to have adopted a few mannerisms from Orochimaru yet his facial expression resembles Itachi even more now than ever (note: it just seems that way to me). Still now I wonder, exactly why would Sasuke want to spare their lives? Naruto I could understand because if he killed him that would entail getting the Mongekyou (sp?) Sharingan and thus playing into his bother's hands, but the others? He's already shown much hostility towards Sai, Yamato and Sakura so him sparing their lives would come as a sort of surprise. Guess we'll have to wait and find out...

Ashura3

2006-05-26, 21:37

I think the Chidori Nagashi is better for conterattack purpose because contrary to the Kaiten you don't need to spin. Technically Sasuke can use this jutsu at any time while continuing to swing his sword for example or attacking in any others way whereas Neji should stop attacking to spin and can make himself vulnerable at the moment he stops -or is forced to stop as during his fight against Kidoumaru. Given that the Chidori Nagashi doesn't need body motion to attack the surrounding area it can't be stopped that way.
I wonder if flowing the Chidori through his sword can also be considered as a Chidori Nagashi or as a different jutsu, in the first case its versatility is really higher.

Correct me if I'm wrong as my memory is a bit hazy, but everytime Neji's Kaiten was caught by Kidomaru's attacks, it was always at long distance wasn't it? I can't imagine the move causing Neji to be vulnerable in close range combat (where we see Chidori Nagashi's usefulness). The only time that happened was against Naruto when he couldn't dodge and was forced to do a half assed Kaiten, but that was with a charging Kyuubi-powered Naruto coming at him. Not to mention it was 2.5 years ago, I'm sure his reaction speed to something like that would be faster now.

Also, we're not entirely sure yet if Sasuke can perform the full body Chidori Nagashi with a lot of movement like you're suggesting. He can do it with just his sword yes, but still no evidence for anything else. We'll see in the future chapters.

I have to admit though, I'm mostly speculating. If you find something factual that'll take my arguments away from me (I wouldn't be surprised), be my guest.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 00:34

I know something everyone will agree on. Chapter 309 will be AWESOME!

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 00:42

I know something everyone will agree on. Chapter 309 will be AWESOME!

I disagree. I wanted to see Sasuke fight a real enemy for once, not just his friends.
I get the feeling that as soon as an enemy appears, Sasuke will end up dying again and Naruto has to save the day.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 01:11

I disagree. Sasuke is fighting his enemies. You stated he is going to die again? How is that even possible? He has never died yet. Also Naruto is not always the one that saves the day. You should think it over before you make a certain comment. Maybe proof-reading would help you.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 03:36

I disagree. Sasuke is fighting his enemies.You stated he is going to die again? How is that even possible? He has never died yet.

Actually, he did. Right after he drank Seishingan.

Then he was close to death several times.
When Itachi mind-raped him with MS.
When he used Chidori a third time, which Kakashi said would result in death.

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Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 04:21

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flexx

2006-05-27, 04:23

I also disagree.

Chapter 309 can't actually be greater than 308.
Perhaps only some talk between naruto-sasuke-kyuubi.

Btw: it is funny how useless sakura is again. Reminds me of the old times :heh:
And probably she is stupidier than naruto. Charging in directly at sasuke must be one of the worst ideas she ever had.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 04:31

It is funny how useless sakura is again. Reminds me of the old times.
And probably she is stupidier than naruto. Charging in directly at sasuke must be one of the worst ideas she ever had.

Sakura is an excellent medical ninja, and her presence is certainly required. Ask Yamato.

Then it is rather ironic that you say it was stupid to charge at Sasuke,
since the opposite, doing nothing, would make her useless again.

Last_Hope

2006-05-27, 04:42

Sakura is an excellent medical ninja, and her presence is certainly required. Ask Yamato.

Exactly. And that is the reason why she shouldn´t have made that rush against Sasuke. IMO Sakura should focus more on the defensive rather than the offensive. It´s easy to understand why she did what she did but it was far from smart.

Then it is rather ironic that you say it was stupid to charge at Sasuke,
since the opposite, doing nothing, would make her useless again.

Since she did nothing at first and then rushed in when Sasuke had the situation under control it became a stupid move from her. I think she should have continued doing nothing. She should have told Yamato to retreat and regroup since they were at a clear disadvantage.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 04:53

Sakura should focus more on the defensive rather than the offensive. It´s easy to understand why she did what she did but it was far from smart.

LOL

Yes? What defense, may I ask?

Naruto and Sai were just taken out, and she was the only one left.

She should have told Yamato to retreat and regroup since they were at a clear disadvantage.

An order to retreat is certainley not what she should have done,
because she isn't the captain of the team, and she was told to never give up.

Last_Hope

2006-05-27, 05:01

LOL

Yes? What defense, may I ask?

Naruto and Sai were just taken out, and she was the only one left.

What defense? Her defense. The groups defense. Since Naruto and Sai were taken out she had even more reason for her to be cautious and think defensively.

I´d say the effects of her decision talks for themselves. Now she has just put herself in a one on one situation with a foe that is clearly at a great advantage against her.

An order to retreat is certainley not what she should have done,
because she isn't the captain of the team, and she was told to never give up.

No. I didn´t write anything about any order. I wrote that she should have told Yamato that they need to retreat. I´m well aware that Yamato makes the decisions but suggestions are free for everybody.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 05:06

I´d say the effects of her decision talks for themselves.

Notice that it was only a stupid move in retrospect, which is easy for you to say.
The truth is that Sakura didn't have much choice.

No. I didn´t write anything about any order. I wrote that she should have told Yamato that they need to retreat. I´m well aware that Yamato makes the decisions.

If you were aware of the command structure, you wouldn't complain that Sakura didn't tell Yamato what to do.

flexx

2006-05-27, 05:10

Sakura is an excellent medical ninja, and her presence is certainly required. Ask Yamato.

Then it is rather ironic that you say it was stupid to charge at Sasuke,
since the opposite, doing nothing, would make her useless again.

Why does yamato need medical treat need in the first place? Ask sakura.

And she is even worse than useless - cause she tried to do something and put the life of her captain into danger because he tried to rescue her.
Sadly, she doesn't recognize the difference between her power and the power of sasuke. She must be really stupid to think, that she can deal with him.

An intelligent move by her would have been to stay in the background and be the supporter (heal them) for the other guys.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 05:15

Why does yamato need medical treat need in the first place? Ask sakura.

Nope. Yamato tried to take out Sasuke by himself, not just to save Sakura.
He is to blame for his wound.

Sadly, she doesn't recognize the difference between her power and the of sasuke. She must be really stupid to think, that she can deal with him.

Sasuke barely even moved so far, so there is no way for her to realize his strength or his desire to kill her.

An intelligent move by her would have been to stay in the background and be the supporter (heal them) for the other guys.

That's what she did three years ago. Now it is the time to do something on her own.

Last_Hope

2006-05-27, 05:22

Notice that it was only a stupid move in retrospect, which is easy for you to say.

No. I thought it was a stupid move looking at it before aswell.
Sasuke had. 3 dotted Sharingan activated, control of the situation, a sword and just recently he showed off a technique that pretty much makes it impossible for Sakura to come close to him.

If you were aware of the command structure, you wouldn't complain that Sakura didn't tell Yamato what to do.

But if it´s not alright to express an own opinion. Is it alright for her to make a move like that on her own. What about the chain of command?

No. She should have thought about checking up on Sai and Naruto instead. Since she, firsthand, is a medical ninja. But she was blinded by once again having Sasuke in front of her.

It´s not that I don´t understand her decision. I very well do that. But I can´t say it was the right decision since it wasn´t.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 05:29

No. I´d say it was a stupid move looking at it before aswell.

I don't buy that unless you posted this here before reading what happened next.

Sasuke had. 3 dotted Sharingan activated, control of the situation, a sword

Sakura saw an opening, she had her strength and the surprise on her side.
She only failed because Sasuke is so much faster.

and just recently he showed off a technique that pretty much makes it impossible for Sakura to come close to him.

The best opportunity to attack is right after Chidori Nagashi was used,
because it is unlikely he would use it again a second later,
not to mention to defeat just one person.

Last_Hope

2006-05-27, 05:42

I don't buy that unless you posted this here before reading what happened next.

Sakura saw an opening, she had her strength and the surprise on her side.
She only failed because Sasuke is so much faster.

The best opportunity to attack is right after Chidori Nagashi was used,
because it is unlikely he would use it again a second later,
not to mention to defeat just one person.

Well, no. She can't check up on the others and turn her back to the enemy.

Okay. That´s too many quotes for me. I´ll just mash them together.

1. That´s not my problem. :p

2. Sasuke showed his speed when he came down to hug Naruto. She should have been aware of that.

3. I suppose so.

4. Well she doesn´t need to sit with her back against Sasuke. :p Although for such a scenario it would require Yamato keeping Sasuke occupied. And he had no luck whatsoever when he tried to block Sasuke´s Kusanagi.

(Considering the situation would be the same. Sakura making a move, Sasuke going for her and Yamato going in for the block.)

Nah. Considering that, going for Naruto and Sai is a bad decision aswell. Retreat or fight together with Yamato is the only sound decisions left.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 05:47

I think we just got the answer about the original purpose of the Sharingan.
I don't know what exactly it is, but I'm sure it's about the youma and uchiha.

Well she doesn´t need to sit with her back against Sasuke. :p

Or kneel down with her rear against Sasuke, which is probably what yóu wanted to see. :p

Last_Hope

2006-05-27, 05:50

Or kneel down with her rear against Sasuke, which is probably what yóu wanted to see. :p

Well it would be interesting to see how Sasuke would react to that. :heh:

Maybe she should have just flashed her breasts saying. "Look what you missed out on boy!" :naughty:

flexx

2006-05-27, 06:26

Nope. Yamato tried to take out Sasuke by himself, not just to save Sakura.
He is to blame for his wound.

Yamato wouldn't have to rush in if sakura wasn't so stupid to charge sasuke directly. And no - he didn't try to attack sasuke but to defend sakura. Look at his stance - that is defense - not offense.
This is why it is sakura's fault, that yamato got wounded

Sasuke barely even moved so far, so there is no way for her to realize his strength or his desire to kill her.

Do you even mind reading the manga before posting. Sasuke moved in a blink of an eye in the middle of the group. And then he took out sai and naruto.
No way, that sakura can't even hope, that she can match up with his speed or his skill (jutsu).

That's what she did three years ago. Now it is the time to do something on her own.

Back then she did nothing. Now she could heal their wounds. Big improvement. But she should immediately stop putting the life of her comrades into danger by her stupid actions.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-27, 07:26

Sakura saw an opening, she had her strength and the surprise on her side.
She only failed because Sasuke is so much faster.

There are no openings in this case. A sharingan can predict an attack...so he knew she was comming...and the fact that he is even faster makes it pointless.

Unless she uses special jutsu's of which the sharingan cant read (like Rasengan or Hiraishin or some of Oro/Jiraiya's weird techniques) you cant suprise or atleast catch him offguard.

Her attack was pointless, as a Chuunin, former companion and informed person about the Sharingan i'd say that attack was only ment as a diversion and otherwise...pointless.

The best opportunity to attack is right after Chidori Nagashi was used,
because it is unlikely he would use it again a second later,
not to mention to defeat just one person.

Why wouldnt he use it a 2nd time or second later? Because it is Sasuke?
It is at this point unlikely to say that's unlikely because right now...it's unlikely that you can determine Sasuke's strenght, chakra etc. to assume such a thing.
But i say...it's unlikely that Sasuke will get away with this without getting a serious wh00p 4ss from either the Kyuubi or Naruto.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 08:08

Yamato wouldn't have to rush in if sakura wasn't so stupid to charge sasuke directly. And no - he didn't try to attack sasuke but to defend sakura. Look at his stance - that is defense - not offense. This is why it is sakura's fault, that yamato got wounded.

Nope. Yamato could have saved her and avoid Sasuke.
But he wanted to mess with Sasuke. It was his play.

Sasuke moved in a blink of an eye in the middle of the group. And then he took out sai and naruto.
No way, that sakura can't even hope, that she can match up with his speed or his skill (jutsu).

You carefully avoided my point about his desire to kill her, which is definitely a first in the series.

But she should immediately stop putting the life of her comrades into danger by her stupid actions.

Yes? Tell that to Naruto, since that is his trademark.

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Soulnin

2006-05-27, 08:47

I have it. Sakura will starts to heal the team while Sasuke is having a fun time chatting with kyubbi in Naruto's head. Sasuke then realises that Sakura must die in order to stop healing people. Naruto, needing to protect Sakura, will show at least some of what he's capable of. Enough to let Sasuke still look cool but enough to redeem Naruto. Place bets now.

fremeer

2006-05-27, 09:07

Syaoran

2006-05-27, 09:08

You carefully avoided my point about his desire to kill her, which is definitely a first in the series.
I do agree that he intented to kill her... or at least hurt her like he did with Yamato. This feeds my hope she'll end up with Naruto :D

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 09:11

I do agree that he intented to kill her... or at least hurt her like he did with Yamato.

I wouldn't doubt that. My point is that Sakura didn't know this.

flexx

2006-05-27, 09:19

Nope. Yamato could have saved her and avoid Sasuke.
But he wanted to mess with Sasuke. It was his play.

You carefully avoided my point about his desire to kill her, which is definitely a first in the series.

no need to avoid your point... sasuke didn't reveal for the first time in this fight, that he wants to injure people badly or even kill them.
When he grabs naruto he took out his kusanagi and attacked naruto. That surely wasn't just for fun.

How could yamato save her without confronting sasuke. Running away with sakura and leave his team alone.
And I don't see any point in running away from sasuke with that ultraspeed. No - he had to block him or sakura would have been dead or badly injured

Hunter

2006-05-27, 09:31

Anyway, the current Sasuke does not give the impression of keeping them alive because he doesn't want to kill them. For me he gives the impression of a person who will not hesitate to kill them when the time comes.
I think you misunderstood my post. I don't think even for a second that Sasuke is trying not to kill them, I just pointed out that trying to over-rationalize characters's actions is rather useless in the end.

Correct me if I'm wrong as my memory is a bit hazy, but everytime Neji's Kaiten was caught by Kidomaru's attacks, it was always at long distance wasn't it? I can't imagine the move causing Neji to be vulnerable in close range combat (where we see Chidori Nagashi's usefulness). The only time that happened was against Naruto when he couldn't dodge and was forced to do a half assed Kaiten, but that was with a charging Kyuubi-powered Naruto coming at him. Not to mention it was 2.5 years ago, I'm sure his reaction speed to something like that would be faster now.
Also, we're not entirely sure yet if Sasuke can perform the full body Chidori Nagashi with a lot of movement like you're suggesting. He can do it with just his sword yes, but still no evidence for anything else. We'll see in the future chapters.
I'm not really speaking of Neji here because this guy is such an awesome fighter that I expect him to change the odd even if something like that would happen. I'm merely talking about the mechanism of both jutsu without talking about their users.
That's why my only observation was that where the Kaiten needs motion and thus will stop/can be stopped at some point, the Chidori Nagashi works just fine with a motionless body and thus can't be stopped like that.
The Chidori Nagashi is merely a huge amount of chakra produced all over the body, if you couldn't move while doing that then spinning with a Kaiten would be impossible ;)

I'm rather wondering about the effect of the Chidori Nagashi on projectiles like Kunai or elemental jutsu. Would they be stopped, deviated or even shredded like Yamato's jutsu? I can imagine solide thing being deviated by the chakrabolt but flame or water? This question is the main reason I still think that the Kaiten is a better defense.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-27, 09:36

If naruto is weaker then sasuke by too big a margin it will ruin the interest of the story.

Yeah, Kishimoto is smarter than this, I don't think he will disappoint.

Throughout this arc Naruto is being set up as an underdog. He's the only one of his peers who is still a Genin.

He still relies heavily on Kyuubi and has trouble controlling his emotions.

Orochimaru and Kabuto both taunt him as not growing comparatively as strong as Sasuke, but we all know that when push comes to shove Naruto delivers when it is time to get serious.

Kyuubi's power has proven itself to be a burden to him in that it endangers his comrades.

Yamato lectured him on relying on his own strength so that it was he will likely do when he is down with his chat with Sasuke and Kyuubi.

His being grounded ATM is likely just a minor setback and round 2 is bound to commence in the next few chapters.

I think he will give Sasuke a run for his money and the fight will go unresolved because of some kind of interruption, leaving characters with a new respect for Naruto's growth.

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-27, 10:20

Yeah, Kishimoto is smarter than this, I don't think he will disappoint.

Building up the tension and suspense is what he does. It was like this in the battle with Sasori. In the beginnin nobody believed that an old hag and Sakura can win against him without any help. People including me said there's no chance for that, we repeated that for about 4/5 chapters while they were fighting. Chiyo and Sakura had a clear win. (And it does not matter that Chiyo messed up Sasori's mind by using his own parents, it still counts as a win. It had an effect of a genjutsu :) Like Kabuto messing up Tsunade with her fear of blood, it was a win for Kabuto after all.)

Throughout this arc Naruto is being set up as an underdog. He's the only one of his peers who is still a Genin.
He is a genin while Sasuke would be a genin too if he was not a missing nin. :)

Kyuubi's power has proven itself to be a burden to him in that it endangers his comrades.
That power is the only thing that let him live till now. He was such an idiot that he would have died multiple times in the story if had not had that power. It's kind of a weapon, he can use it in a good way or in a bad way, it depends only on him. Also i would like the idea of Naruto taming the beast :)

His being grounded ATM is likely just a minor setback and round 2 is bound to commence in the next few chapters.

I think others will help him out, maybe even some reinfocements will jump in. I would like to see a part when it's not Naruto who defends or saves other, but he is defended by the others.
But in the end he will show "that jutsu" and other tricks. But if in the end Naruto wins don't expect him taking Sasuke back to Konoha, it would be more likely that Orochimaru dies and Sasuke escapes. In Sasuke's current state I don't see him simply rejoining Konoha, they should treat him as a criminal then.

Ero-Senn1n

2006-05-27, 11:24

Sasuke's Chidori infused sword cuts through metal like it's butter so really it's easy to know where his sword will go : exactly where he aims as nothing can block the sword (well shonen-nothing so until it's blocked by something ^^).
As for Sakura attacking him remember that she couldn't even see him moving toward Naruto. Sasuke isn't only able to predict her moves, he way faster to begin with.

I wouldn't as far as saying that his sword can cut through steel like it was butter. So you say here that Sasuke did not kill Yamato on purpose? I think that there was an force interaction of the kunai and sword which did cause Sasuke to miss. But the next chapter(s) will tell us the reality.
I don't think that Sasuke's speed is so godlike like Itachi's. How did Yamato get between them? Well it might be simply a plot hole or Sasuke letting Yamato get there on purpose so that he can save Sakura. It might be another sign of what you said, that Sasuke does not want to kill them, or at least there's still a big uncertainty in his head about what he should do.

Sasuke not killing them is the same as Sasori not killing Sakura and Chiyo despite the countless occasions or Shikamaru not beating Temari despite his 200IQ whereas it's not that hard to find a quick way to do it or Sasuke not Chidorizing Naruto's head at the VotE when he could predict his every moves or countless other examples.
It's not about hidden purpose, it's just the way Kishimoto imagined the fights.
I'm not sure what you want to prove with these cases. Sasori tried to kill them, it's just that he could not do it. Are you implying that Sasori did not want to kill them? I think they won over Sasori, he simply lost the battle, even if the final outcome was partly his decision, but his decision was triggered by Chiyo.
Temari had won the fight, by the time Shikamaru trapped her he was out of chakra, he simply ended the fight in a best way he could. At best we may say it was a draw.
Sasuke already tried to kill Naruto several times at the VotE, it was just in the end that he decided not to do it.
So do you imply that the "bad guys" are always just playing, not really wanting to kill, they lose despite being stronger?

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 13:03

I wouldn't as far as saying that his sword can cut through steel like it was butter.

Oh, but this is the case. Definitely.

So you say here that Sasuke did not kill Yamato on purpose?

It's just that Sasuke didn't bother deviate his sword, aimed at Sakura, to kill Yamato.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-27, 13:46

since the seal yamato placed on naruto came loose i can now see naruto overcoming kyuubi due to his talk and taking sasuke seriously because we all know that naruto cannot be too much weaker then sasuke since there is no easy ive doubled my power over the last couple of days to fight u thing going to happen. If naruto is weaker then sasuke by too big a margin it will ruin the interest of the story.

I think the seal we saw there was Yondaime's...the one that was there since Naruto first met the Kyuubi face to face.

Naruto should find a way to strenghten the seal again...if he can do that...he should be fine.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 14:28

Originally Posted by flexx
Chapter 309 can't actually be greater than 308.
Perhaps only some talk between naruto-sasuke-kyuubi.
I dont see how in any way that chapter 309 cannot be more intresting if not better than chapter 308. I am anticipating 309 then any chapter I have before. This chapter may hold what alot of us have been waiting for. The connection between Uchihas & KyuubiORPart II of the Naruto VS Sasuke. Also you said perhaps only talk between Naruto-Sasuke-Kyuubi? I seriously doubt the whole chapter will be a long dialogue like that. Somewhere there is going to be action. In my opinion people try to contradict the next chapter any chance they get. Especially Yellow Flash who lives to look for an argument every single time he comments.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-27, 14:39

Oh, but this is the case. Definitely.

Yes, let's not forget that Chidori has the reputation of being an assassin technique that can cut through virtually anything (including lightning).

When Sasuke says his blade cannot be blocked he isn't being sarcastic.

His Kusangi is almost like a lightsaber katana.

It's just that Sasuke didn't bother deviate his sword, aimed at Sakura, to kill Yamato.
This may be the case.

Sasuke likely didn't kill Yamato because he is toying with him.

Plus Naruto's situation distracted him from doing anything else.

Sazelyt

2006-05-27, 14:57

Yes, let's not forget that Chidori has the reputation of being an assassin technique that can cut through virtually anything (including lightning).

When Sasuke says his blade cannot be blocked he isn't being sarcastic.

His Kusangi is almost like a lightsaber katana.
But, this is not the chidori we know, which employs a huge chakra concentration. The chakra used by the new chidori seems to be more evenly distributed, hence I don't think it is as powerful as the original.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 15:01

The chakra used by the new chidori seems to be more evenly distributed, hence I don't think it is as powerful as the original.

Combined with Kusanagi, it certainly is.

viceroy

2006-05-27, 15:01

so many people talk like narutos team is just so weak cause sasuke wtf owned them. did anyone take into account that team 7's job wasnt to kill or harm him but bring him back?4 people who objective is to reason with him and talk him down got caught offguard by the fact that sasuke is no longer sub passive but is rather agressive now and attacked without warning on people they thought were his freinds. he even turned to kill sakura without hesitation.even yamato didnt fully grasp what sasuke was capable of from whatever info he might have received pertaining to sasuke. and on another lighter note if sasuke wasnt that strong there would be no point in this series to progress any further since a big part of it is the fight between sasuke and itachi.

also did anyone think as well that maybe yamato might still be watching over kabuto and that his clone was the one that received the attack from sasuke? hell yamato might leave kabuto to help the team out they already said if anyone is in deep trouble he would know and make it there to help out. just a theory though dont think to hard on it im not gonna press any of my ideas on others justa thought though.

and why would mando become a summon for sasuke doesnt mando hate oro right now or even from back then by bringing him o9ut getting him hurt and not offering the sacrifice up like he should have?

and finally as for sasuke getting into narutos mind i think thats been the ability of the uchiha from the beginning. its how they are ablee to read and anticipate the opponents attacks. its just they dont normally let themselves be seen or it might give the enemy an idea of what the uchiha is really doing. now the mangekyo sharingan is the next stage of that ability. to enter the mind and attack from within. just a though though.

oh and one last thing going on what i said earlier by being able to enter the mind of the other opponent and read their moves simply is that he can see that narutos future plan of attack is wether or not to use kyuubi or not. and somehow people have twisted in such a way that they think sasuke is going in there to break the seal. no where in chapter 308 did it say anything about him wanting to or even thinking of breaking the seal. he just went in and found out what was giving naruto all his power. which if anything oro had to have talked to sasuke about the kyuubi at one point just to give sasuke an idea of what he was up against. seeing it for himself is just confirmation. releasing kyuubi would only be stupid on his part even if he was able to do so.

Mr. Johnny 5

2006-05-27, 15:04

Yes, let's not forget that Chidori has the reputation of being an assassin technique that can cut through virtually anything (including lightning).

When Sasuke says his blade cannot be blocked he isn't being sarcastic.

His Kusangi is almost like a lightsaber katana.

This may be the case.

Sasuke likely didn't kill Yamato because he is toying with him.

Plus Naruto's situation distracted him from doing anything else.

About the bold part...didnt Kakashi (received or inherited from his father) got a chakra - blade aswell? Perhaps in time we will see a Star Wars "Light Saber" duel :p.. Kakashi vs Sasuke and both using the force (Sharingan)

aznboi917

2006-05-27, 15:06

you guys keep saying theres a connection between unchiha and kyuubi... but did you ever think that kyuubi knows that its sasuke simply because he s been watching through naruto's eyes? he just knows who sasuke is.. through naruto.. and now almost 3 years later.. he just says whao you have grown... and that there is not really a connection between the uchiha clan and kyuubi?

viceroy

2006-05-27, 15:14

could also be that the uchihas back when the war between konoha and kyuubi was waged that the uchihas used the same trick on kyuubi long enough for the 4th to seal the kyuubi off. but then we will never know unless told so by kishi.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 15:15

there is a large chance he does if you think about it. How would he know the last name Uchiha? In addition, Uchiha were among the fighters on that night when the Kyuubi attacked. Furthermore, there's alot of evidence surronding the fact that The Uchihas have a connection with the Kyuubi.
1. Uchiha Itachi is after the Kyuubi.
2. That secret scroll in the Uchiha meeting place with statues of demons.
3. The Kyuubi attack those years ago. Which the Uchihas probably participated in.
4. Kyuubi knowing of the clan name Uchiha. "Ah you're an Uchiha."
Good solid facts THAT possibly hint theres a connection between Uchiha and Kyuubi.

MysticNinjaJay

2006-05-27, 15:16

About the bold part...didnt Kakashi (received or inherited from his father) got a chakra - blade aswell? Perhaps in time we will see a Star Wars "Light Saber" duel :p.. Kakashi vs Sasuke and both using the force (Sharingan)

If only we could be so lucky. :p

you guys keep saying theres a connection between unchiha and kyuubi... but did you ever think that kyuubi knows that its sasuke simply because he s been watching through naruto's eyes? he just knows who sasuke is.. through naruto.. and now almost 3 years later.. he just says whao you have grown... and that there is not really a connection between the uchiha clan and kyuubi?

Kyuubi seems to be somewhat ignorant of what goes on outside Naruto's life. As far as I can tell he responds to Naruto's emotions and the condition his body is in.

As far as everything being reflected through someone's eyes, I think the preview title was talking about Sasuke's eyes, atleast in the translation I am reading that's what it sounds like.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 15:20

See what I was originally thinking. MAYBE that the Uchiha in their greed for more power. Had tried to tame the Kyuubi, take it over, or possibly used it in a conspiracy to overthrow Konoha. Maybe one or more of the Uchihas had tried to transfer its power into him/herself. Thus enraging it causing the attack on Konoha. Thats just a guess though but i think it is fairly reasonable.

Sazelyt

2006-05-27, 15:52

Combined with Kusanagi, it certainly is. "Certainly?". I don't think so, since we have no knowledge on either how much chidori's effect is dampened or how powerful the original sword is. I would like to see how much it is different from Asuma's chakra enhanced knife.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 15:56

"Certainly?". I don't think so, since we have no knowledge on either how much chidori's effect is dampened or how powerful the original sword is. I would like to see how much it is different from Asuma's chakra enhanced knife.

Look, the Kusanagi alone would cut anything, including kunai.
The chidori is just used as a nice bonus (Yamato's body went numb).

Zek

2006-05-27, 16:03

About the bold part...didnt Kakashi (received or inherited from his father) got a chakra - blade aswell? Perhaps in time we will see a Star Wars "Light Saber" duel :p.. Kakashi vs Sasuke and both using the force (Sharingan)
He did, but it was broken during the Kakashi Gaiden.
Look, the Kusanagi alone would cut anything, including kunai.
The chidori is just used as a nice bonus (Yamato's body went numb).
Source?

Sazelyt

2006-05-27, 16:07

Look, the Kusanagi alone would cut anything, including kunai.
The chidori is just used as a nice bonus (Yamato's body went numb). I am sure that you are aware we haven't received any information on the difference between the Kusanagi that Sasuke uses and the Kusanagi that Oro summons.

By the way, if i remember correctly, the original Kusanagi that Oro has used could not penetrate Kyuubified Naruto. So, it might be better to not make claims that have already been invalidated.

vega98767

2006-05-27, 16:08

Very good chapter. I hope Yamato isn't out of it. That was kind of Genin of him to try to parry Sasukes blade with just a kunai. And if Yamato is really out of it then Naruto is in huge trouble. If Sasuke can manifest himself in Narutos day dream then all naruto can do is go Dattebayo?

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 16:10

I am sure that you are aware we haven't received any information on the difference between the Kusanagi that Sasuke uses and the Kusanagi that Oro summons.

It is the same power. Sasuke told us about it.

By the way, if i remember correctly, the original Kusanagi that Oro has used could not penetrate Kyuubified Naruto.
So, it might be better to not make claims that have already been invalidated.

You are an idiot. I was referring to it's reputation, or shonen-invincible, as Hunter called it.

I am aware that it probably can't cut 4 Tails Naruto or Yondaime's hair.

Zek

2006-05-27, 16:15

It is the same power. Sasuke told us about it.
No, he did not. He meant that it was special because of the chidori flowing through it. You read that and made an assumption that the sword was ultra-sharp on its own and that the Chidori only numbs someone's body. Of course, you forgot to put "I think" in front of your sentence because it's inconceivable that you might be wrong. Maybe the sword is that sharp on its own, but there is no evidence yet to support that. What sense does it make that a chidori flowing through the sword doesn't increase its cutting power?

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 16:17

No, he did not. He meant that it was special because of the chidori flowing through it. You read that and made an assumption that the sword was ultra-sharp on its own and that the Chidori only numbs someone's body. Of course, you forgot to put "I think" in front of your sentence because it's inconceivable that you might be wrong. What sense does it make that a chidori flowing through the sword doesn't increase its cutting power?

Yamato stated that the Chidori was the reason his body went numb.

Let me make it easier for you: Why would Sasuke add Chidori to his sword against Sakura??

Obviously, it was to stun her, not for additonal cutting strength.

And to call it Kusanagi already tells us how sharp it is.

Sazelyt

2006-05-27, 16:28

It is the same power. Sasuke told us about it.

You are an idiot. I was referring to it's reputation, or shonen-invincible, as Hunter called it.

I am aware that it probably can't cut 4 Tails Naruto or Yondaime's hair.Well, its reputation of "being able to cut anything" was completely damaged when it couldn't do anything against Kyuubified Naruto. So, please keep your invalidated claims to yourself. If it is about chakra based defense, anyone who can be able to put a sufficient level of chakra on a counter-weapon could be able to stop it.

Yondaime-The Fourth

2006-05-27, 16:39

Yellow Flash please stop. All of your arguments are pointless. You are horrible at arguing. You just assume therefore you are always wrong. All of your arugments have no FACTS supporting any of them. After arguing with you in the Rock Lee Jutsu thread and proving you wrong id think you would've learned. Obviously you have not. I think you should stop posting in this thread before you get flamed out like all the others you have participated in.

Syaoran

2006-05-27, 16:59

Just to make something clear... Sasuke's Katana is not The Kusanagi like the one Orochimaru has. He wouldn't leave that thing unguarded for one second.
My guess is that Sasuke's katana is somehow derived from the real Kusanagi or made of the same kind of metal.
Chidorinagashi looks like a technique Sasuke developped with the aid of Orochimaru I guess.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 17:02

My guess is that Sasuke's katana is somehow derived from the real Kusanagi or made of the same kind of metal.

I agree.

Chidorinagashi looks like a technique Sasuke developped with the aid of Orochimaru I guess.

I think this was created by Sasuke alone.

Hunter

2006-05-27, 17:05

I wouldn't as far as saying that his sword can cut through steel like it was butter. So you say here that Sasuke did not kill Yamato on purpose? I think that there was an force interaction of the kunai and sword which did cause Sasuke to miss. But the next chapter(s) will tell us the reality.
I don't think that Sasuke's speed is so godlike like Itachi's. How did Yamato get between them? Well it might be simply a plot hole or Sasuke letting Yamato get there on purpose so that he can save Sakura. It might be another sign of what you said, that Sasuke does not want to kill them, or at least there's still a big uncertainty in his head about what he should do.

No I'm saying exactly the opposite as I answered to Sazelyt : "I think you misunderstood my post. I don't think even for a second that Sasuke is trying not to kill them, I just pointed out that trying to over-rationalize characters's actions is rather useless in the end."
The cutting power of the Chidori passes through the sword so yes it cuts metal like butter which is exactly what happened, the kunai was simply sectioned at contact.
Yamato get between them before Sasuke started his attack, we can see the speed lines around him when he's commentating about Sasuke's eyes which would be rather difficult if he was watching the back of his head. Only after that Sasuke started his movement.
But anyway I didn't mean that Sasuke's speed was godlike just way higher than Sakura's ability as proven by the fact that she didn't even see him going to Naruto the chapter before so she couldn't have stopped from killing his defenseless opponents as you supposed.

I'm not sure what you want to prove with these cases. Sasori tried to kill them, it's just that he could not do it. Are you implying that Sasori did not want to kill them? I think they won over Sasori, he simply lost the battle, even if the final outcome was partly his decision, but his decision was triggered by Chiyo.
Temari had won the fight, by the time Shikamaru trapped her he was out of chakra, he simply ended the fight in a best way he could. At best we may say it was a draw.
Sasuke already tried to kill Naruto several times at the VotE, it was just in the end that he decided not to do it.
So do you imply that the "bad guys" are always just playing, not really wanting to kill, they lose despite being stronger?
No as I said above of course Sasori or Sasuke tried to kill, my point is that given the situation presented by Kishimoto we can find many ways for them to have done so and yet it doesn't mean they didn't try just that Kishimoto didn't go these ways.
Re-read the fight with Sasori, almost each chapter he could have easily killed Chiyo and Sakura simply by continuing what he was doing like for example when they were out of chakra-shields to be protected from his attacks... Which funny enough is the moment Sasori stopped for uncomprehensible reason to attack them this way.
Remember when Sasuke was seeing Naruto's next moves? There is a nice moment when Sasuke place his punch right where Naruto's head his going at full speed, had he used a Chidori instead of merely punching him Naruto would have been history. Does that mean he wasn't trying to kill him?
No it means that Kishimoto didn't present his fight this way.
Shikamaru had Temari under his control during about 10 seconds in this lape of time he could have found many way to win, simply taking a kunai from his side bag and putting it on Temari's throat to make the judge end the fight for example.
Does that mean he lost in purpose?
No it means that Kishimoto didn't present the fight this way.

My point is that it's useless to over-rationalize their actions, the most important thing is what Kishimoto is presenting. In this fight what is presented is Sasuke beating easily Yamato, Sai and Naruto.
Had Yamato attacked from behind, had Sai doing differently, etc they would still have lost, just in a different way because that's what Kishimoto is showing right now.
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Trying to discuss with YF is utterly useless guys, why do you keep doing that if the very fact that her posts are retarded doesn't entertain you?

Anyway the fact that the Chidori runs through the sword makes it way sharper to the point it can't be blocked is directly stated by Yamato.

Yellow Flash

2006-05-27, 17:17

It seems like no one has noticed that Sai is arguably stronger, and definitely more skilled than Yamato.
Sasuke said Sai's choice of defense was flawless, but Yamato failed.

Syaoran

2006-05-27, 17:53

Hmmm ... Sai stronger than Yamato...
I expect a lot more from Sai's part in this arc. It would be cheap if he got beaten so easily by Sasuke. He's supposed to be an assassin and I bet there're people he killed who've been a greater threat than Sasuke. He must be able to make real nice tactics with his drawing skills.

Yamato had no choice but to get in between Sasuke and Sakura. The one who's getting carried away by emotions is certainly not Naruto. He knows what he's dealing with since their first big clash.

*sigh* I hope this arc will end with something like this, since Sasuke won't get back to Konoha now. He might spare their lives for now and go back to his mentor.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2962/naruxsaku8vd.jpg
Note Naruto stole Sasuke's katana and Sakura's hand on his shoulder ^^
(even Sai & Rukia draw better that I do :eyebrow: )