View Full Version : Guess the Gender of the Utawarerumono Twins
Catgirls
2006-05-26, 20:53
Right then...by somewhat popular demand, this is a thread for you to take guesses at and vote for which gender you think the twins, Dorii and Guraa, are. If you don't know who the twins are, here are a few visuals to help your memory and give you minty fresh breath. Please note: you're guessing their gender in the ANIME. Not the Game.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5240/snap14277bv.jpg
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7532/clipboard013304xi.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard013304xi.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1182/snap15157cd.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap15157cd.jpg) http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8845/snap15169qc.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap15169qc.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/386/snap15178xg.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap15178xg.jpg)
Xellos-_^ (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=6353) has offered to reward everyone that guesses correctly with free cookies (Rep points if you don't know what that means), and so will I. Please remember: have fun, but post intelligently. Include some follow-up substance to support your opinion. Feel free to use images from the Anime to support your guess. Please don’t flood this thread with mindless babble or my bosses, NoSanninWa, xris and NightWish, will make me clean the toilets in the AnimeSuki offices for 2 weeks.
Cheers (and Roebuck).
Kamui4356
2006-05-26, 21:24
I say they're both male.
They seem to be a few years older than Aruruu, yet both have completely flat chests. If they were female, I'd think they'd have at least some development in that area. While they do behave rather effeminate, I've seen enough anime to know better than to conclude that means they are in fact female. They're probably just confused. I blame Oboro. :heh:
I too say male, mainly cause of their voices, which sound like what young boys would sound like.
Obviously they do have weird tastes, but that's just weird tastes, imo. ;)
Daniel E.
2006-05-26, 22:47
I also think both are male.
And I believe so because IMHO, they look like boys and talk like boys. The fact that they have no boobs whatsoever also supports this belief. :heh:
EDIT:
So far, 100% of the votes are saying they are males. Guess we are all right or wrong at this point.
Archers, fast moving, good for scouting. Even this far into the series, and yet we don't even know that much about them. At first earlier into the series, I had thought, probably they be both female. But then as the series began to grow further, one aspect that seemed to stood out of the series overall (well, up to episode 7), was that in what appears to be strongly male dominated.
Logistics, fighting,.. truly, if the twins were indeed female, that would put them in what? Ultra minority of sub 1%? Probably the only two fighting female characters for the entire arc... and young too. Younger than Eruruu,.. probably older than Aruruu, which as we know Aruruu wants to fight, but Hakuoro will not let her.
Does make you wonder if there will be another Tusukuru, that whom appeared to build up power though trust, skill, and wisdom. Heh, probably even up to some really shady stuff to the end by suspicion, but probably expected for an time which has it that women do the cooking, and to welcome their men home from an long days battle.
Still, no fact as of yet to prove that the twins are one gender or the other. If female, maybe living up though an taboo in itself. ...Though not doing an very good job of hiding it, be that the case. But an good start.
Or, say they be men.
Neosakai
2006-05-26, 23:17
My first post...
I think one is female and one is male.... Don't really know why, but it just came up to me.
male because of the broad shoulders inherently found in the male characteristics.
That affects both the anime world and the real world mind you. You would know if someone was cross dressing if *she* has relatively broad shoulders that doesn't match the rest of the body
Do I get my cookie now? =p
At first I thought they were both female but to to spoilers, I think male now DX
THEY'RE UKE!! XD
But hey, we'll never know what changes they'll put in the anime D;
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-26, 23:56
one is female, one is male.
Besides, being "flat chested" coiuld be intentional, warrior females in the past have been known to bound their breast, for ease of movement, or/and concelment.
easily done I think, considering the expected consequences suffered by female combatants....
one is female, one is male.
Besides, being "flat chested" coiuld be intentional, warrior females in the past have been known to bound their breast, for ease of movement, or/and concelment.
easily done I think, considering the expected consequences suffered by female combatants....
Problem is, which is which, and why?
For me, I'll say that both are males, for one thing, their voices. It just doesnt sound like what a girl their age should be sounding like :heh:; and I fancy imagining a little rasp to it as well. But again, its really hard to tell by going on physical appearances alone, as some of you said, just because their flat-chested doesnt mean they're not girls.
Allow me to present (what I hope is) a different aspect: their Hierarchical status.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9780/aaaa4ph.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaa4ph.jpg)
Now I'm assuming that this is a round up of their male warriors, its a pretty wide guess but I say this because this band can't be the whole population of Oboro's fort, its too small, and they must have accumulated families; i.e. women and children; an entourage almost~cleaners, cooks, midwives etc etc.
So lets assume this whole trianglular band is made up entirely of males. Note their posture of deference, heads bow, fists clenched to the ground.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/966/aaaa18vv.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaa18vv.jpg)
Its significant that the two in question also take this position, and not anywhere, but directly behind Oboro, their leader. I imagine, with the view taken on women in the past, if Oboro had older advisors/righthand men/Captains/Lieutenants (which he should have had), and if the twins were female, those men would be preferentially placed in this position of honour behind their leader instead of them. However Dorii and Guraa occupy that place.
In addition, I don't know nothing about traditional japanese (Ainu?) formalities, but I seriously doubt females could do that (bow, kneel, fist clenched to ground, behind master).
Bleh, a whole lot of assumptions, but I guess that your guess is as good as mine.
While they do behave rather effeminate, I've seen enough anime to know better than to conclude that means they are in fact female. They're probably just confused. I blame Oboro.
I agree. For their sex, I say they are both male. As for their sexual orientation however, well thats a totally different matter :heh:
I've got a question. Will they even reveal the sex of the two?
@CG: I hope my babble doesnt lead to you having to clean the toilets, but if it does, I'll be glad to lend you my toothbrush, for the small chance that it'll be of use in those hard to reach places. :p
I don't think we can discount they may be female based on "who is fighting" as we're due at least one or two clearly female fighters later if you watch the OP and production art.
But.... I'm thinking "metrosexual" males. They are from far away.... perhaps males in their land are just of a more preening variety. Just kind of androgynous "bishie" .... kind of entertaining that none of the villagers have been more quizzical.
I also find it amusing that they were included in the group shot when the "vendor" commented on all the beautiful women in the fortress.
Well.., it is dificult to say.., and this is putting it in soft words..
Problem is.., when I think about this.., the thought comes to mind that..; if we are speculating they're gender.., then there surely must be (sooner or later) reference in the anime as to what they're real sex is.
Otherwhise without it, it would make all the speculations here compleatly pointless.., since then we would never know any answer.
Thus.., if there will definitly be a reference then (in the anime series), to me it would make alot more sence to portray it as from what I read in the game-spoilers thread; since after all it would fit the series in a very funny scene; thing that I belive Uta-mono has shown us (and mostely will specialy in the episode 8), that despite the intesive battles and plot, it has a good pace in development bringing with it nice pauses to add a diferent enjoyable content.
So I am realy forced to speculate that they are in fact Male.
Some of the previous comments also tend me to lean towards this supossition..; beeing the voices clearly one of them..
It is true that it is very hard to confirm if the voices are male or female..., but more and more that I hear them it sounds as if they try to give the intention of beeing of "young", since they are in fact surely still bellow 20 years old I belive, despite what gender they turn out to be.
Thus given they're phisical constitution & personality.., I recon the voice would be emphasised by these aspects.
Never the less there are still some doubts in my mind.., specialy regarding that much like Lost said.., having a lack of a huge-chest does not make instantly make them male..
The supositions that Lost made regarding the 'round-up of the warriors' before Hakuoro also makes me wonder..; altough Lost stated the facts that by they taking part behind Oboro (they're master) would in-title them as male.. I will have to dissagree in this..
Since after all we do not know much regarding the customs of war there, despite in most cases "then" I belive women would stand in the behind, even if fighters.., I do not belive this to be the case.
To me they are Oboro's best warrior's, so regardless of they're sex it is only natural that they would take side by his stand.
Plus..., we will later on the anime also see confirmed female fighters.
All and all.., much like everyone's.. my guess is as good as yours.. ^^
I take it.., as going for what seems more obvious.., I still lean on that they are indeed male.
Altough at first I saw them, my opinion was compleatly diferent; as I am sure many of yours where aswell :p
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-27, 04:55
i think they are males anyhow...first is their voice, secondly is what Lost has stated
if i'm not wrong, the names used like Kamunagi and such are from ancient japan, so lets imagine if the world setting is in ancient japan, only males are entitled to bow behind their leader, as in the imperial room, only male governors and warriors are in it with the exception of the concubines. so my guess will be they are males
At first I thought they were both female but to to spoilers, I think male now DX
THEY'RE UKE!! XD
But hey, we'll never know what changes they'll put in the anime D;
Based on the few references to their relationship in the game, I'd say it's far more likely that Oboro is the uke and the twins are the seme.
Actually, it's more like the twins have their way with him whenever he's not quite concious. Oboro himself doesn't seem to be aware of their...feelings
exception of the concubines
You know, you just gave me an idea :heh: :heh: Okay okay nvm.
Sorry, but whats Uke and Seme?
They' re both female, because they have tails. Only women have it
Uke and Seme are words used in yaoi (manXman) term....Uke is the one who acts as the man, while seme is the female -_- but both of Uke and Seme are MALE -_- (inner voice : why do i know such things -_-)
aahh...
It's hard for me to admit.....but i guess Dorii and Gura are males T^T (inner voice: nooooooooo)
They' re both female, because they have tails. Only women have it
Nope, that is rong.., men have them aswell ^^
During the episode while the twins where training the village men in Archery, there are some scenes there which shows us that "some" males also have tails.
Not all though.., it surely must be something species related.., unfortunatly on some we cannot see they're ears because they choose to cover them up; never the less its safe to assume, that even despite not many diferent ear types have been shown.., there are diferent species withitn the people of Eruruu's village.
So I take it.., given a certain type of ears would mean that that specie also has a tail, even as a male.
Edit :
I found the screenshot I was looking for on this aspect ; its from episode 4, and... was already posted in another thread ^^,
So.., I'll just copy-paste it here :
http://i1.tinypic.com/x2tamo.jpg
Those are all men from the village. As you can see, some have tails and some don't. I think it depends on the species or clan that they're from (as it is in nature).
']Uke and Seme are words used in yaoi (manXman) term....Uke is the one who acts as the man, while seme is the female -_- but both of Uke and Seme are MALE -_- (inner voice : why do i know such things -_-)
aahh...
It's hard for me to admit.....but i guess Dorii and Gura are males T^T (inner voice: nooooooooo)
Uh, well apparently you don't know about them too well
Seme is the one on top (the "man") and uke the one on the bottom (the "female").
They' re both female, because they have tails. Only women have it
At first I also thought so, but both males and females have tails, this is clearly seen in episode 5, or was it 6?
Anyway, I voted for "females", or maybe that is just my wish. :heh: Main male characters all use comekind of swords, so they are small sized and rely on their speed and long range weapons.
Uh, well apparently you don't know about them too well
Seme is the one on top (the "man") and uke the one on the bottom (the "female").
Ooh ic, thx for the correction :p
solwyvern
2006-05-27, 10:14
I know we're supposed to disregard the info from the game, but according to wiki:
→ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utawarerumono
Dori & Gura (ドリ & グラ, )?, (Seiyū - Akeno Watanabe)
Twin brother archers serving under Oboro. They are very feminine in appearance and mannerisms, so in effect they often get mistaken for girls.
And this screencap from that 'mini-game' (fun game, btw)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5055/danbooruunfp1147984398123977qj.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=danbooruunfp1147984398123977qj.jpg)
*Assumes that Guraa is Female(the blush) and Dorii is Male.
Xellos-_^
2006-05-27, 10:21
I know we're supposed to disregard the info from the game, but according to wiki:
→ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utawarerumono
And this screencap from that 'mini-game' (fun game, btw)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5055/danbooruunfp1147984398123977qj.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=danbooruunfp1147984398123977qj.jpg)
*Assumes that Guraa is Female(the blush) and Dorii is Male.
We know the twins were male in the game. But the twin in Full Metal Panic 2nd Raid were males in the novel, however the animeation studio change them to female in the anime for some twincest. And Utawarerumono has the same animeation studio as FMP 2nd raid. So just because they were males in the game doesn't they are guy in the anime.
I'm no expert on kyuudou, but shouldn't their muneate be larger if they were female?
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-27, 20:19
in such terms...yea OOa....female shoulder slings should be bigger than that...
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-27, 20:44
er...care to explain what your talking about? (^_^? )
Kamui4356
2006-05-27, 22:02
We know the twins were male in the game. But the twin in Full Metal Panic 2nd Raid were males in the novel, however the animeation studio change them to female in the anime for some twincest. And Utawarerumono has the same animeation studio as FMP 2nd raid. So just because they were males in the game doesn't they are guy in the anime.
FMP: Second Raid was done by KyoAni, who were too busy working on Suzumiya Haruhi to make Utawarerumono. ;)
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-27, 22:15
onizuka-gto, i suppose you were asking abt the chest protector/muneate?
as far as i know, maybe kj1980 or some japanese members can answer you better.
But to state it right, Doriy and Guraa aren't wearing those, it's more like an arrow quilt (note that their arrow sack is located at their back*
besides, muneate is only worn by females and the male counterpart has either a thin sash or none,
for links check, http://www.kyudo.com/kyudo-e2.html
rukamaya
2006-05-28, 02:38
Their both male...from what i think, they do sound like boys in the anime, so as they act like a boy in the series, i dont know how i said it, but they just do...
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-28, 06:01
Their both male...from what i think, they do sound like boys in the anime, so as they act like a boy in the series, i dont know how i said it, but they just do...
You forget, young boys sound similiar to young girls, and the seiyuu for them is female.... :rolleyes:
I say both male...
I don't think there's any evidence to support any claim...
You forget, young boys sound similiar to young girls, and the seiyuu for them is female.... :rolleyes:
There's only one... for both of them http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/XIIIBlackCats/Smilies/23.gif... do they pay her double http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/XIIIBlackCats/Smilies/64.gif...
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-28, 07:41
how should we know the payroll system?
You forget, young boys sound similiar to young girls, and the seiyuu for them is female.... :rolleyes:
LOL.... the fact that their seiyuu is female should make them MALE!!! :rolleyes: Think Edward Alric :uhoh:
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-28, 10:50
Al too..not too mention some other male characters that uses a female voice cast like Kenshin of Samurai X, Koganei Kaoru of Flame of Recca....
They both are male. I already saw/read proof enough. :heh:
Of course, they both have tails, but aparently almost all the male characters of their race have tails too, not just the womens. Check for instance Episode 2, when they were reconstructing the altar.
Not only those with fluffy ears - like Eruruu, but those with elf-like ears like Oboro or Oyaji can have small tails, hidden inside the panties. Even Benawi has a tail, too.
As for the voice, like someone else said, it's a common practice female seiyus give voice to very young male characters.
But the REAL problem is: They're both gays!! That's why they were trying jewely in episode 06!
Here's the proof:
WARNING! Game spoilers. Read at your own risk.
Are you sure? Really sure you want to read?
OKAY! First, there's this part on the game:
Hakuoro steps outside and is greeted by Oboro. Hakuoro asks him if he's become accustomed to staying there, and Oboro laughs and says "I'm me, I don't change no matter where I go."
Hakuoro chuckles and asks about the others, especially the twin girls, wanting to know if they are taking care there. Oboro looks at him confused and says "Twin girls? What twin girls?" Hakuoro says Dorii and Guraa, and Oboro tells him that he is mistaken. Hakuoro asks "Mistaken?" and then Dorii and Guraa show up, and say they are ready to do their escort. Oboro says they've come at a good time.
Oboro then tells Hakuoro that they are men. Hakuoro says "What?" and Oboro tells him that honestly, they are men. He's quiet for a moment and then looks shocked and tells Oboro that he must be joking, and Oboro asks him why he would joke over a matter like that. Hakuoro repeats "Men..." and Dorii says that yes, they are men, and Guraa asks if he would like to confirm it. Hakuoro questions "Confirm it?" and Guraa says yes, and Dorii says by all means if he wishes it, to remove their clothes. He looks shocked and they say that if he is reluctant, they can help him. He starts stuttering no, feeling a blush on his cheeks,
and they say "We see" and he notices they look disappointed. He tells them he is sorry he had mistaken them as girls, and they say it is okay. Oboro tells them that they should be going, and they bid farewell to Hakuoro and the three of them leave.
After they are gone, Hakuoro is still in shock over how the twins are men, and he really did want to have it confirmed just a little... Eruruu then shows up behind him and asks just what he wanted to confirm. He says "Well, those two..." and then trails off, realizing she is there, and jumps, asking just how long she's been there. She laughs and asks if he likes boys, and it's fine, even if he has unusual tastes, she doesn't mind. He protests that is not the case, and she sweatdrops, saying it really is okay. He protests again that it isn't so. She then says "A man's male companions..." and then starts blushing profusely. Hakuoro says "Eruruu?" and she blushes and quickly says she has laundry to do and runs off. Defeated, Hakuoro falls to the ground, saying "I'm not like that..."
Poor Hakuoro. Not only was shocked for discover the truth, but the twins tried to make a move on him! Even Eruruu thought maybe he likes young boys... :heh:
Sometimes too much Charisma is not really a good thing. ;)
And here is the proof they are gays:
Are you sure you want to read?
Okay.
One day, when Oboro was drunk/unconscious they told to Hakuoro "don't worry hakuoro-san we'll take GOOD care of him" and they took him away.
In the next morning Oboro commented to Hakuoro on how they were sleeping in his room naked and that his body felt funny...
Poor, poor Oboro. :eek:
ChainLegacy
2006-05-28, 12:14
I always just assumed they were female without even thinking they could be male... Judging from this thread, though, I guess they must be male.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-28, 19:24
well, since everyone is certain they are male, it makes me even more believe they are female, if only to wipe those smug faces. go on kyoAni! Make them female just to prove everyone wrong!
*absently notice the FMP Second Raid fans nodding their head sympathetically*
:D
Xellos-_^
2006-05-28, 20:13
well, since everyone is certain they are male, it makes me even more believe they are female, if only to wipe those smug faces. go on kyoAni! Make them female just to prove everyone wrong!
*absently notice the FMP Second Raid fans nod their head sympathetically*
:D
We could use some twincest in this show and maybe another loli.
well, since everyone is certain they are male, it makes me even more believe they are female, if only to wipe those smug faces. go on kyoAni! Make them female just to prove everyone wrong!
*absently notice the FMP Second Raid fans nodding their head sympathetically*
:D
But, should the twins originally be male, doesn't mean that it's not possible for another studio to do the same switch.
FMP: Second Raid was done by KyoAni, who were too busy working on Suzumiya Haruhi to make Utawarerumono. ;)
I think they're both males cause Hakuoro and Oboro seem like they don't want girls to fight and most importantly
they sound like boys
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-29, 05:57
PGilis....@.@ that freaks me out ~.~
You're not the only one. :heh:
When they told me about that part, it took me quite a time for me to recover my senses. :eek:
diekirai
2006-05-30, 00:20
not sure about it, but i guessed they're both male?
i just hope at least one of them is male, keke ^o^v
Yikes. I knew they gave off some yaoi vibes but Pgilis' post....... :eek: :p
well, since everyone is certain they are male, it makes me even more believe they are female, if only to wipe those smug faces. go on kyoAni! Make them female just to prove everyone wrong!
*absently notice the FMP Second Raid fans nodding their head sympathetically*
:D
What does KyoAni have to do with Utawarerumono? As far as I am aware, AQUAPLUS and Oriental Light and Magic are in charge of it.
SagarisGTB
2006-05-30, 09:45
Before that scene with the merchants jewelry, i would have said both Male, but now I would have some doubts.
thundrakkon
2006-05-30, 10:14
I don't think the anime will ever reveal if they are male or female. Like it was mentioned before, in the anime version, I believe they are female because of the jewelry scene. Furthermore, Haruoko's harem will need to grow to mass proportions to further substantiate that he is truly an emperor.
Before that scene with the merchants jewelry, i would have said both Male, but now I would have some doubts.
Hey they could be metrosexual, if not gay.. :eek: :p
thundrakkon
2006-05-30, 10:52
From the way the series is currently progressing, I don't believe they will touch on gay themes. Maybe in the game, but, in my opinion, it will detract from the current atmosphere in the anime.
Most anime that I can think of is either one or the other. I don't come across many animes that have both female harem and male x male action (actually, I can't think of one right now).
UnknownToLife
2006-05-30, 21:30
I say both are female:O they both have tails, rarely shown but they have them none the less
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-30, 21:39
but some males do have tails ~.~
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-30, 21:45
but some males do have tails ~.~
riiiight.
Says the boy with the girly name. :rolleyes: :p
Daniel E.
2006-05-30, 21:48
I don't think the anime will ever reveal if they are male or female.
I really hope this is not the case.
Some people could actually go crazy over not knowing this. :heh:
but some males do have tails ~.~
Actually, most of them. Specially those from the same race with doggie fluffy ears like Eruruu and Aruruu.
As far i can tell, some races have small tails but they keep them hidden inside the panties. So you can't to see.
You can confirm here:
http://www.geocities.com/petergilisjr/11483228853811ed2.jpg
As you guys can see, even Benawi has a tail.
I'm guessing that they're males. If the anime staff were going to switch their gender, I think they'd make that clear so that male viewers could feel guilt-free about finding them attractive. :heh:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-30, 22:43
I'm guessing that they're males. If the anime staff were going to switch their gender, I think they'd make that clear so that male viewers could feel guilt-free about finding them attractive. :heh:
why would they want to make them guilt free? Who said Anime staff are kind??!?! :frustrated:
diekirai
2006-05-31, 00:21
Actually, most of them. Specially those from the same race with doggie fluffy ears like Eruruu and Aruruu.
As far i can tell, some races have small tails but they keep them hidden inside the panties. So you can't to see.
You can confirm here:
http://www.geocities.com/petergilisjr/11483228853811ed2.jpg
As you guys can see, even Benawi has a tail.
fwahhh... BENAWI :love:
akeke so the twins are guys ^_^v
Hyperion
2006-05-31, 01:48
gonna go with the rest and say male
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-31, 08:01
yes.....everybody say they are male....
If this was the bookies i'll be rolling in money!!!
Look of those odds! muwahahhehehhaha....
Go on....make them female! FEMALE! FEMALE! you know they could make them both, male and female..... FUTA!
:D :D :D
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-05-31, 09:33
riiiight.
Says the boy with the girly name. :rolleyes: :p
what does that implies? :eyebrow:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-05-31, 14:19
what does that implies? :eyebrow:
Nothing. Just as nothing is going on with two twins taking a drunk Oboro to his room, and waking up with them naked in his bed.....
YAOI!
:D
LOL at above post. :D
This thread has been a fun read so far. :p
I voted male. I think they are both male characters. I like a lot of characters in this series. Some, because they are not only good characters, but kick ass (Hokouro, Oboro, the dude with the axe). Some, though, I like not only because I like them as characters, but they are cute, hehe; like Eruuruu, Aruuruu, and Dorii and Gauri. I have a weakness when it comes to catgirls/catboys and doggirls/dogboys and the like. I love characters like that.
I haven't seen this character in the series yet (only have seen up to ep. 5), but I like her already. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/love.gif
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4996/uta131024x7680na.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uta131024x7680na.jpg)
Nothing. Just as nothing is going on with two twins taking a drunk Oboro to his room, and waking up with them naked in his bed.....
YAOI!
:D
Oboro's 'Merry Men'.
My money is on both male.
IN BEFORE THE SPERM SONG! *gets shot*
I just gotta say, I think those who voted them as female, that's some wishful thinking or something.
Okay, we know they are male in the game.
I think it's clear they are male. They are feminine, yes, but they appear more male than female, they sound like young males, they act like boys their age, and then people cite how KyoAni switched the twins in TSR from male in the novel to female in the anime...you know, they made it very apparent that they were a different gender in the anime. Not only is this comparison to what KyoAni chose for TSR irrelevent to it, in a way, but also...if this Utawa company did switch their genders for the anime, don't you think they would have done anything to make it apparent they are different then their videogame counterparts in this regard, even in a slight way? That is not the case, as they have depicted in the anime just as you see them in artwork for the game.
Quulique
2006-06-02, 11:26
I s'pose it speaks for how long I've been into anime that I automatically assumed they were female without really thinking farther. XD;; Or maybe not. Although a slash fan to the extreme, I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to canon, except for the veryvery flaming series like Prince of Tennis or so. :3 I have to admit, though, they really sounded like girls, to me, but considering how young they are... (?) But, they seem to be in their teens. :/ Perhaps it's just the Uta haremofgirls concept that throws it off.
However, this thread's managed to lean me towards the opinion that they are male... Besides the obvious hierarchical implications of such (and, I think that conversely, Uta opening at least for now does seem to provide ample evidence of competent female warriors), doesn't it seem odd to anyone that a proud warrior like Oboro would have both his attendants being females? ^^; At least one would have to be male--otherwise how on earth would they be able to protect him properly as they're no doubt sworn to do? If they were both girls, they'd have to leave him unattended in the bath and such things, or at least that's how I think it works--separate gender baths usually, right? Unless Oboro has his own little harem, in which case, well... 8D;;; Hedoesn'treallyseemlikethatsortofguy (more of the 'why the hell are there girls in the world' type), but I'm biased. ._.;;
I doubt that physical attributes are any reliable indicator, as we've seen, although the argument about their chest-size and the kyuudou equipment has some validity. I guess the animators are just leaving it up to our imaginations/debates for now, though. ^^v So, being the fangirl I am, I'd have to say: ALL MALE ALL THE WAY. |D
Shot, I have never ever though of the twins to be males... It was just naturally for me to be female. However, this thread made me think
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-02, 19:48
well, i'll be disappointed if they are male, because it means there will be no anime special distinction, such as the twins in the FMP!SR novels to the anime version.
I like major specials. :(
They could probably do an bathing scene, and we still wouldn't even know for sure of which gender.
Thus:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3900/clipboard011217or.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard011217or.jpg)
Have them down one of these just before battle, thinking it will keep them fighting for an longer period of time. Be they male, blue vision, crazy "damm..! that's the best hard-on in, ever!." ...Skull farking enemy fighters at random where the standard arrows do no good... :bow:
Actually, i already put in my previous post a bathing scene for the gang. :p
Here's the direct link: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=575897&postcount=54
No more doubts, i believe?
Quulique
2006-06-03, 10:16
Actually, i already put in my previous post a bathing scene for the gang. :p
Here's the direct link: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=575897&postcount=54
No more doubts, i believe?
Well, judging from the style of that pic, I'd say it's based on the game rather than the anime? :D So, um. Mebbeit'spickinesson my part, but that still doesn't answer the question for us in the anime... :heh:
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-03, 11:01
Urzu7, it's Guraa, not Gauri..(that somehows reminds me of a indian friend)
well...the revelation is gonna wreck many hopes XD
Anyway, the great revelation scene didn't come, or atleast didn't come at the proper time (which would have been between episodes 8 and 9), so as a bonus to anyone who is curious, here's the scene in the game along with a very quickly done translation:
ハクオロ「ん？」
オボロ「おう、兄者か」
ハクオロ「どうだ、少しはここに慣れたか？」
オボロ「はは、俺は俺だ。何処へ行っても変わりはしないさ」
ハクオロ「ふふ、そのようだな」
ハクオロ「それで、他の者はどうだ」
ハクオロ「お前の仲間は、隊に加えられて窮屈な思いをしていたりしないか」
オボロ「ハハ、あいつらが、そんな繊細なものか」
ハクオロ「ならいいんだが。特にあの双子は女の子だ。こちらから気を付けてやらんとな」
オボロ「‥‥双子の女の子？」
オボロ「誰だ、双子の女の子って」
ハクオロ「誰だって、ドリィとグラァに決まってるだろうが」
オボロ「‥‥‥兄者、えらい勘違いをしてないか？」
ハクオロ「勘違い？」
ドリィ・グラァ「「若様。そろそろ警護の時間です」」
オボロ「ああ、いいところに来たな」
ドリィ・グラァ「「はい？」」
ハクオロ「？」
オボロ「兄者、こいつらは男だぞ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥何だって？」
オボロ「だから、男だ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「な！？」
ハクオロ「いや‥‥まさか、冗談だろう」
オボロ「俺は冗談でこんな事言わないぞ」
ハクオロ「男‥‥」
ドリィ「はい、男ですけど」
グラァ「お疑いでしたら確かめてみますか？」
ハクオロ「確かめる？」
グラァ「はい」
ドリィ「どうしてもと仰おっしゃるのでしたら、脱ぎますけど」
ハクオロ「い！？」
ドリィ「他の人はイヤですけど」
グラァ「兄者様になら僕達‥‥」
ハクオロ「い、い、いや、いい！！」
ハクオロ（何故そこで頬を染める）
ドリィ・グラァ「「そうですか…」」
ハクオロ（何故そこで、残念そうな顔をするぅ！）
ハクオロ「と、とにかく、女の子と間違えたりして、すまなかったな」
ドリィ・グラァ「「いえ、僕達別に気にしてませんから」」
オボロ「さて、二人とも行くぞ」
ドリィ・グラァ「「ハイ」」
オボロ「また後でな、兄者」
ハクオロ「あ、ああ」
ドリィ「それでは」
グラァ「失礼します」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「しかし‥‥男だったとは」
ハクオロ「少し確かめたかった気も‥‥」
女の声『何を‥‥確かめたかったんですか？』
ハクオロ「いや、あの二人が‥‥うおぁ！？」
ハクオロ「エ、エルルゥ、何時の間に」
エルルゥ「‥‥‥‥ハクオロさん、男の子が好みなんですか」
ハクオロ「い‥‥いい？」
エルルゥ「だ、大丈夫です、変わった趣味があっても私、気にしませんから」
ハクオロ「い、いや、違うんだ」
エルルゥ「き、気にしませんから」
ハクオロ「そうじゃないんだ」
エルルゥ「男の人同士でも‥‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「男の人同士‥‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「男の人同士‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「エ、エルルゥ？」
エルルゥ「は、はい！？わ、私‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「そ、そうだ！私、お洗濯しないと‥‥じゃ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥ちがうん‥‥‥だ‥‥‥‥」
Hakuoro "Mh?"
Oboro "Hey, Anija!"
Hakuoro "So, have you gotten used to this place yet?"
Oboro "Haha, I'm me. Wherever I might end up, that won't change.
Hakuoro "Heh, seems so."
Hakuoro "So, what about the others?"
Hakuoro "Your companions aren't feeling uneasy about being attached to the squad or anything?"
Oboro "Haha, as if they would be that sensitive."
Hakuoro "Hope you're right. Especially about those twins, they're girls after all. We have to keep our eyes open for those things."
Oboro "...Twin girls?"
Oboro "What twin girls are you talking about?"
Hakuoro "Huh? Dorii and Guraa of course.
Oboro "Anija, aren't you misunderstanding something pretty badly here?"
Hakuoro "Misunderstanding something?"
Dorii & Guraa "Waka-sama, our patrol shift is coming up soon."
Oboro "Ah, good timing."
Dorii & Guraa "Yes?"
Hakuoro "?"
Oboro "Anija, these two are guys."
Hakuoro "What did you say?"
Oboro "Like I said, they're guys."
Hakuoro ".........."
Hakuoro "Wha!?"
Hakuoro "No...can't be, you're joking right?"
Oboro "I don't joke about things like this."
Hakuoro "Guys..."
Dorii "Yes, we're male."
Guraa "If you don't believe it, would you like to check?"
Hakuoro "Check?"
Guraa "Yes."
Dorii "If you just have to see, we'll take off our clothes."
Hakuoro "Eh!"
Dorii "We wouldn't do it for others though."
Guraa "But if it's Anija-sama then we..."
Hakuoro "N, n, no, it's fine!!"
Hakuoro (Why did you just blush there?)
Dorii & Guraa "Oh..."
Hakuoro (Why do you look disappointed!?)
Hakuoro "A, anyway, I'm sorry for mistaking you for girls."
Dorii & Guraa "Don't worry, we don't really mind."
Oboro "Okay, let's head out you two."
Dorii & Guraa "Ok."
Oboro "See you later, Anija."
Hakuoro "Ah, yeah."
Dorii "Well then"
Guraa "We'll be going now."
Hakuoro "................."
Hakuoro "But still...to think they were boys"
Hakuoro "I did kinda want to check..."
A female voice "What did you want to check?"
Hakuoro "Oh, just that those two...huh!?"
Hakuoro "Eruruw, how long have you been standing there?"
Eruruw ".........So Hakuoro-san, you prefer boys?"
Hakuoro "E...eeh?"
Eruruw "It, it's all right, even if you have weird tastes, I don't mind."
Hakuoro "N, no, that's not what this is."
Eruruw "I,I really don't mind."
Hakuoro "You've got it all wrong."
Eruruw "Even if it's between men............"
Eruruw "Between men..........."
Eruruw ".........."
Eruruw "Between men.........."
Hakuoro "E, Eruruw?"
Eruruw "Y, Yes!? I, I...."
Eruruw "Th, That's right! I have to do the laundry...bye"
Hakuoro "............................"
Hakuoro "......you've got it..........wrong.........."
In my opinnion they are both female, i dont care if they are men in the game but based on what ive seen in the anime i belive that they are female.
here is a screencap from episode 4 and when you look on the side, you can see that there are definetly small breasts.
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/3699/snapshot200606040004449fy.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200606040004449fy.jpg)
I know that people wont be convinced by this, but atleast im going to watch the series thinking that they are female, until there is some other proof than the game related that they are males.
Er... to me they don't look any more breasty than Oboro himself. (Now there'd be a twist!)
Quulique
2006-06-04, 04:51
Cruzz, I think someone already posted about that scene. XD Although, now we have the actual text, it's doubly amusing. <3 WanZ, Magus IX is right, er--that's probably just a combined effect of the arrow quilts slung across their chests and the fact that guys' chests aren't 180-degree angles. XDDDv Wishful thinking either way at this point, though, is valid. :/
For me, it was that jewelry scene that really threw me, but I suppose boys would also be interested in ornament... Especially ones at the battlefront who don't see such trinkets very often. :D We just haven't seen any other such examples of males liking to deck themselves out to compare to--the rest are rather plain. Bit of a dilemma, but I stand by my original assessment that it'd be both impractical and contrary to Oboro's temperament to have twin female attendants. :heh:
thundrakkon
2006-06-05, 01:44
Anyway, the great revelation scene didn't come, or atleast didn't come at the proper time (which would have been between episodes 8 and 9)
So does this mean that the anime will not reveal their true genders then? I guess it is up to you on what you believe their gender is in the anime.
I just gotta say, I think those who voted them as female, that's some wishful thinking or something.
Okay, we know they are male in the game.
I think it's clear they are male. They are feminine, yes, but they appear more male than female, they sound like young males, they act like boys their age
This thread is a game here, and everyone has a right to their own opinion. ;)
It could also be said that the voices are tomboyish, or more masculine females. Then the way they act could also be considered tomboyish, with feminine urges (jewelry).
Right now, you can't really conclude one way or the other until the anime specifically shows it; that is, if they ever will. I mean, so far, the closest they have revealed the gender in the anime is the scene where Chikinaro (merchant) specifically states "jewelry for the ladies," and it shows the twins in that scene trying on jewerly.
If the anime goes on without addressing this issue further, then that scene would be the pinnacle scene in the anime to state their gender as female.
So does this mean that the anime will not reveal their true genders then? I guess it is up to you on what you believe their gender is in the anime.
I'm not clairvoyant, I don't know whether or not they'll show it in the future. All I know is that they didn't have the scene at the proper place atleast, which would imply that they probably won't have that exact scene at all. Whether or not they'll have a similar scene later on is anyone's guess.
They're males.
I'd still hit it, of course.
I vote that they are both female. Why, because of the way they act and talk. They are too cute to be guys. I could be wrong though.
Note the eyes. So how may males carry this same style?
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/854/snapshot200606060227467ue.th.jpg (http://img450.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200606060227467ue.jpg)
More pics always good.
Note the eyes. So how may males carry this same style?
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/854/snapshot200606060227467ue.th.jpg (http://img450.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200606060227467ue.jpg)
More pics always good.
Moot point. That is how the character art is for them for the game, as well.
As far i remember, in anime the size of the eyes tend to show the AGE of the character, not the GENRE.
If a character is very young, he/she has very big eyes; (Ex.: Aruruu)
If a character is young yet mature, he/she has almost normal sized eyes. (Ex.: Hakuoro, Benawi)
If a character is old, he/she has small eyes (meaning he/she saw many things in his/her long life); (Ex.: Tsukuruu)
The twins eyes are bigger than Oboro, so that means they are younger than him.
Of course, there is exceptions, but i don't think that's the case now. :)
Moot point. That is how the character art is for them for the game, as well.
Game (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=573352&postcount=35) could lie. Oboro playing it seem. Using twins to see if Hakuoro will swing that way. Oboro want Hakuoro.? :cool:
/Specials:
6/6/6 Hell immunity +1
Edit:
As far i remember, in anime the size of the eyes tend to show the AGE of the character, not the GENRE.
If a character is very young, he/she has very big eyes; (Ex.: Aruruu)
If a character is young yet mature, he/she has almost normal sized eyes. (Ex.: Hakuoro, Benawi)
If a character is old, he/she has small eyes (meaning he/she saw many things in his/her long life); (Ex.: Tsukuruu)
The twins eyes are bigger than Oboro, so that means they are younger than him.
Of course, there is exceptions, but i don't think that's the case now. :)
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4584/1149532170112d0337hu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(Eyes) :)
Game (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=573352&postcount=35) could lie. Oboro playing it seem. Using twins to see if Hakuoro will swing that way. Oboro want Hakuoro.? :cool:
/Specials:
6/6/6 Hell immunity +1
Nah, I mean the twins say they are male in the game, and Oboro shows no indication of being gay for Hakauro.
You are probably joking around anyway, I take it? :p
Nah, I mean the twins say they are male in the game, and Oboro shows no indication of being gay for Hakauro.
You are probably joking around anyway, I take it? :p
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=573352&postcount=35
For second, Oboro's uneasiness/disappointment has it that Oboro was actually trying to get Hakuoro drunk so that he could do this and that, but later when he found himself with the twins again, to his disappointment it seem. :cool:
ummmm if twins are boys then they are very femine .... In ep 6, when merchant came. He said "... to jewelery that would look beatiful on women" and there is Screen when Twins are trying on Jewelery :P
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=573352&postcount=35
For second, Oboro's uneasiness/disappointment has it that Oboro was actually trying to get Hakuoro drunk so that he could do this and that, but later when he found himself with the twins again, to his disappointment it seem. :cool:
Hmm, game probably isn't 'lying', as you put it, as 1) There is the scene where the twins tell Hakauro they are male, and even said they'd prove it ( :heh: ), and 2) there is this post: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=571876&postcount=22
Snippet from the game:
Japanese Text
ハクオロ「ん？」
オボロ「おう、兄者か」
ハクオロ「どうだ、少しはここに慣れたか？」
オボロ「はは、俺は俺だ。何処へ行っても変わりはしないさ」
ハクオロ「ふふ、そのようだな」
ハクオロ「それで、他の者はどうだ」
ハクオロ「お前の仲間は、隊に加えられて窮屈な思いをしていたりしないか」
オボロ「ハハ、あいつらが、そんな繊細なものか」
ハクオロ「ならいいんだが。特にあの双子は女の子だ。こちらから気を付けてやらんとな」
オボロ「‥‥双子の女の子？」
オボロ「誰だ、双子の女の子って」
ハクオロ「誰だって、ドリィとグラァに決まってるだろうが」
オボロ「‥‥‥兄者、えらい勘違いをしてないか？」
ハクオロ「勘違い？」
ドリィ・グラァ「「若様。そろそろ警護の時間です」」
オボロ「ああ、いいところに来たな」
ドリィ・グラァ「「はい？」」
ハクオロ「？」
オボロ「兄者、こいつらは男だぞ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥何だって？」
オボロ「だから、男だ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「な！？」
ハクオロ「いや‥‥まさか、冗談だろう」
オボロ「俺は冗談でこんな事言わないぞ」
ハクオロ「男‥‥」
ドリィ「はい、男ですけど」
グラァ「お疑いでしたら確かめてみますか？」
ハクオロ「確かめる？」
グラァ「はい」
ドリィ「どうしてもと仰おっしゃるのでしたら、脱ぎますけど」
ハクオロ「い！？」
ドリィ「他の人はイヤですけど」
グラァ「兄者様になら僕達‥‥」
ハクオロ「い、い、いや、いい！！」
ハクオロ（何故そこで頬を染める）
ドリィ・グラァ「「そうですか…」」
ハクオロ（何故そこで、残念そうな顔をするぅ！）
ハクオロ「と、とにかく、女の子と間違えたりして、すまなかったな」
ドリィ・グラァ「「いえ、僕達別に気にしてませんから」」
オボロ「さて、二人とも行くぞ」
ドリィ・グラァ「「ハイ」」
オボロ「また後でな、兄者」
ハクオロ「あ、ああ」
ドリィ「それでは」
グラァ「失礼します」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「しかし‥‥男だったとは」
ハクオロ「少し確かめたかった気も‥‥」
女の声『何を‥‥確かめたかったんですか？』
ハクオロ「いや、あの二人が‥‥うおぁ！？」
ハクオロ「エ、エルルゥ、何時の間に」
エルルゥ「‥‥‥‥ハクオロさん、男の子が好みなんですか」
ハクオロ「い‥‥いい？」
エルルゥ「だ、大丈夫です、変わった趣味があっても私、気にしませんから」
ハクオロ「い、いや、違うんだ」
エルルゥ「き、気にしませんから」
ハクオロ「そうじゃないんだ」
エルルゥ「男の人同士でも‥‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「男の人同士‥‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「男の人同士‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「エ、エルルゥ？」
エルルゥ「は、はい！？わ、私‥‥‥」
エルルゥ「そ、そうだ！私、お洗濯しないと‥‥じゃ」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥‥」
ハクオロ「‥‥‥ちがうん‥‥‥だ‥‥‥‥」
English Translation
Hakuoro "Mh?"
Oboro "Hey, Anija!"
Hakuoro "So, have you gotten used to this place yet?"
Oboro "Haha, I'm me. Wherever I might end up, that won't change.
Hakuoro "Heh, seems so."
Hakuoro "So, what about the others?"
Hakuoro "Your companions aren't feeling uneasy about being attached to the squad or anything?"
Oboro "Haha, as if they would be that sensitive."
Hakuoro "Hope you're right. Especially about those twins, they're girls after all. We have to keep our eyes open for those things."
Oboro "...Twin girls?"
Oboro "What twin girls are you talking about?"
Hakuoro "Huh? Dorii and Guraa of course.
Oboro "Anija, aren't you misunderstanding something pretty badly here?"
Hakuoro "Misunderstanding something?"
Dorii & Guraa "Waka-sama, our patrol shift is coming up soon."
Oboro "Ah, good timing."
Dorii & Guraa "Yes?"
Hakuoro "?"
Oboro "Anija, these two are guys."
Hakuoro "What did you say?"
Oboro "Like I said, they're guys."
Hakuoro ".........."
Hakuoro "Wha!?"
Hakuoro "No...can't be, you're joking right?"
Oboro "I don't joke about things like this."
Hakuoro "Guys..."
Dorii "Yes, we're male."
Guraa "If you don't believe it, would you like to check?"
Hakuoro "Check?"
Guraa "Yes."
Dorii "If you just have to see, we'll take off our clothes."
Hakuoro "Eh!"
Dorii "We wouldn't do it for others though."
Guraa "But if it's Anija-sama then we..."
Hakuoro "N, n, no, it's fine!!"
Hakuoro (Why did you just blush there?)
Dorii & Guraa "Oh..."
Hakuoro (Why do you look disappointed!?)
Hakuoro "A, anyway, I'm sorry for mistaking you for girls."
Dorii & Guraa "Don't worry, we don't really mind."
Oboro "Okay, let's head out you two."
Dorii & Guraa "Ok."
Oboro "See you later, Anija."
Hakuoro "Ah, yeah."
Dorii "Well then"
Guraa "We'll be going now."
Hakuoro "................."
Hakuoro "But still...to think they were boys"
Hakuoro "I did kinda want to check..."
A female voice "What did you want to check?"
Hakuoro "Oh, just that those two...huh!?"
Hakuoro "Eruruw, how long have you been standing there?"
Eruruw ".........So Hakuoro-san, you prefer boys?"
Hakuoro "E...eeh?"
Eruruw "It, it's all right, even if you have weird tastes, I don't mind."
Hakuoro "N, no, that's not what this is."
Eruruw "I,I really don't mind."
Hakuoro "You've got it all wrong."
Eruruw "Even if it's between men............"
Eruruw "Between men..........."
Eruruw ".........."
Eruruw "Between men.........."
Hakuoro "E, Eruruw?"
Eruruw "Y, Yes!? I, I...."
Eruruw "Th, That's right! I have to do the laundry...bye"
Hakuoro "............................"
Hakuoro "......you've got it..........wrong.........."
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=579516&postcount=73
So, Oboro straight up says they are male, and both of them were about to strip for Hakauro to show that they are male, given that he gave the okay (and they were even dissappointed, haha).
So, if you are saying Oboro tried to get Hakauro drunk to do this and that (which backfired, lol) and the twins were ready to be exhibitionist for Hakauro, you'll find Hakauro isn't just a winner in the mind of Eruuruu alone, if you get what I mean. :eek: :heh:
Those misheivous twins, willing to exhibition for Hakauro and taking advantage of Oboro when his plan fails. :heh:
Odds have it that the twins & Oboro encounter this all the time, so they play that game on just about anyone that does ask that question. Hakuoro playing right into their trap, which probably was getting boring from its reuse over time, but with the added Eruruu to that play, GOLD. Not that they weren't laughing inside, they were, but figured that had they laughed, Hakuoro probably kill them. :heh:
Odds have it that the twins & Oboro encounter this all the time, so they play that game on just about anyone that does ask that question. Hakuoro playing right into their trap, which probably was getting boring from its reuse over time, but with the added Eruruu to that play, GOLD. Not that they weren't laughing inside, they were, but figured that had they laughed, Hakuoro probably kill them. :heh:
I definately see your point how it could be like that, but I personally really think that it isn't the case. The game writers would provide scenarios or dialogue in the game to reveal to the audience what would be this humorous ploy you have in mind that they would play. :p
Shini_GamI
2006-06-10, 04:14
I think they are female, because male wont go and try on jewelries, would they? haha
I think they are female, because male wont go and try on jewelries, would they? haha
lol, scores of gay men and crossdressers might disagree with you there.:heh:
lol, scores of gay men and crossdressers might disagree with you there.:heh:
Ask Mrs Doubtfire :)
I was thinking that what Green said about the eyes makes some sense but I think that its really hard to go on that, its just like the flat-chested issue, you can't really tell for sure just by looking at their physical aspects, because in anime, anything goes..
Sorry, but I'm a doublepost and exist for nothing! Please delete me :)
Ask Mrs Doubtfire :)
I was thinking that what Green said about the eyes makes some sense but I think that its really hard to go on that, its just like the flat-chested issue, you can't really tell for sure just by looking at their physical aspects, because in anime, anything goes..
Very true to that last point. But regardless what many think on the flat-chested issue, I'm still going to believe that Aruruu is a female.
Very true to that last point. But regardless what many think on the flat-chested issue, I'm still going to believe that Aruruu is a female.
Oh good Lord. :heh:
Thing is, we know Aruruu is a female!! (doh) I mean, that cute angry-like serious thin-lipped pout.. K, tell ya what, once I see either of the twins pout like that, I'll believe that one is a female :)
Thing is, we know Aruruu is a female!! (doh) I mean, that cute angry-like serious thin-lipped pout.. K, tell ya what, once I see either of the twins pout like that, I'll believe that one is a female :)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. ...To the personality aspect anyway. In which one will need some physical aspects as well as observation to the character within that character's surroundings when compared to other characters within the like series.
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7532/clipboard013304xi.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard013304xi.jpg)
Else with the above pic, it would've died there. It's the 180° of the typical angry-like serious thin-lipped pout. :cool:
Tiberium Wolf
2006-06-12, 09:19
BTW, when does that situation happens in the game? Is still after current ep? If it was before we might as well forget any disclosure in the anime.
BTW, when does that situation happens in the game? Is still after current ep? If it was before we might as well forget any disclosure in the anime.
Anyway, the great revelation scene didn't come, or atleast didn't come at the proper time (which would have been between episodes 8 and 9), so as a bonus to anyone who is curious, here's the scene in the game along with a very quickly done translation:
So anyway, I guess they won't do the scene in any form as 11 didn't have it either.
I guess they probably didn't feel it was that important, as they still have a lot of real plot to plow through ^_^; Still, it would've been a nice addition, along with the "Are you done with Young Master now? Can we have him now? *expectant eyes*" scene.
I guess they probably didn't feel it was that important, as they still have a lot of real plot to plow through ^_^; Still, it would've been a nice addition, along with the "Are you done with Young Master now? Can we have him now? *expectant eyes*" scene.
I would so LOL at that. Haha. Maybe one of the staff reads this forum and is deciding to be cruel. :heh:
I'd say both are male
well, I don't think anyone post this before, here goes :
you all know that Hakuoro is against women/children fighting in the frontline
yet, he ask both of them to deliver the messages to the other side of the gate THROUGH the woods (I forget which episode it is)
even Benawi was surprised by that. Going through the woods is very dangerous, especially at night even though we know that both of them are excellent scout.
So, why do you think Hakuoro ask them to do the job ? ^^;
I agree that in animation/manga you can't use physical figure to distinguish between male/female. They are 'drawn' after all, not 'photographed'
If that's the case, Hakuoro would never let Karura and the other girls fight to his side. :heh: And as far i remember, in the game he allways thought the twins were girls.
No, Hakuoro is not sexist. He will let womens fight only if they are perfectly able to defend themselves.
well, let's leave the anime as the anime, the game as the game
things can change if transferred to another medium, so, metrosexual guy can be a girl and vice versa
but, of course it will not work in the real world ^^;
My 2 cents to last few posts:
About other female characters fighting: First of all, Hakauro doesn't let the ordinary person who is female fight (like villagers). Karura is no ordinary person, she is super human, I mean...
She broke the chains, fought dozens of ship crew and won, fought great against Benawi, and can also weild a 500 lb. sword like it's a regular sword.
Any female character that fights along side Hakauro is an amazing and skilled fighter, so they are exceptions.
Another thing, why would they change the gender of the twins? They let the game player know in the game that they are male. Then, with the anime, they very accurately portrayed the appearance and looks of the twins with the look of them for in game art and artwork pertaining to the game. If they switched their gender, wouldn't they give any indication that they are clearly female, whether in looks or a revelation through dialogue? But they haven't, and they are portrayed just as they are in the game and artwork for the game.
They probably didn't have the scene where Hakauro finds out they are male in the anime because it isn't too important of a scene, and remember what is the prime audience for this show: Japanese citizens, especially those who played the game or are at least familiar with it. Taking all those things into consideration those things I just discussed, most Japanese viewers probably think they are male like in the game, and the studio of Utawa probably thought most viewers would figure they are male in the anime, as well, and so didn't put that scene where Hakauro discovers they're male in the anime because it is not a very important scene to add.
Also, about the part where the twins play with the jewelry, I think it is like an inside joke for those who played the game. It plays around with how it is indicated that the twins are gay in the game, as well as how feminine they are and how Hakauro mistook them for girls. :p
Another thing, why would they change the gender of the twins? They let the game player know in the game that they are male. Then, with the anime, they very accurately portrayed the appearance and looks of the twins with the look of them for in game art and artwork pertaining to the game. If they switched their gender, wouldn't they give any indication that they are clearly female, whether in looks or a revelation through dialogue? But they haven't, and they are portrayed just as they are in the game and artwork for the game.
They probably didn't have the scene where Hakauro finds out they are male in the anime because it isn't too important of a scene, and remember what is the prime audience for this show: Japanese citizens, especially those who played the game or are at least familiar with it. Taking all those things into consideration those things I just discussed, most Japanese viewers probably think they are male like in the game, and the studio of Utawa probably thought most viewers would figure they are male in the anime, as well, and so didn't put that scene where Hakauro discovers they're male in the anime because it is not a very important scene to add.
Also, about the part where the twins play with the jewelry, I think it is like an inside joke for those who played the game. It plays around with how it is indicated that the twins are gay in the game, as well as how feminine they are and how Hakauro mistook them for girls. :p
Twins, gay? Couldn't say for sure. Oboro, yes. But the twins?, possible, as to then, why have young female aids when he could better settle for young male aids? ;)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2550/snapshot200606161956218uv.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot200606161956218uv.jpg)
Unless they're trying to make Oboro bi, as to when he was blushing when earlier presented with that tentacle monster extract, and yelled at the merchant for embarrassing the ladies. ... ... Unless, maybe! that the girls were a scapegoat to Oboro's uncontrolled blushing. That perhaps Oboro really was thinking of doing this and that with Hakuoro? :twitch: Oh shit! Which also means, that the earlier comments on the twins taking the drunk Oboro to his room, that the reason for Oboro's body feeling funny the day/time after was actually due to the "energy elixir" within Oboro's drink.
Not that this means that the twins are either male or female. But poor Oboro. Poor guy was probably trying to get it with Hakuoro, and ended up getting the drinks mixed up. Twins probably knew what was going on all along, and switched it. But all does mean that the twins do like Oboro more than Hakuoro. :heh:
For the record, Green has an unnatural knack for finding the most incriminating screenshots. :) Interesting proposition, btw. Oboro for Hakuoro eh. Poor guy, the twins will never let him.
Taking all those things into consideration those things I just discussed, most Japanese viewers probably think they are male like in the game, and the studio of Utawa probably thought most viewers would figure they are male in the anime, as well, and so didn't put that scene where Hakauro discovers they're male in the anime because it is not a very important scene to add.
Thats a good point; they didnt foresee such a discussion coming up on Animesuki's forums. :heh: Anyhow, I agree with the points you posted, they do make sense. In the end, because of viewer demographics, there will always have to be a link back to the source: the game.
Darklightz
2006-06-24, 13:00
Lol,an interesting debate.Just a reminder,as the OP said this is for discussing their gender in the Anime only,the game doesn't count.
Wether they are male or female the people of Tusukuru seem to think they are female.
In episode 6 when the travelling merchant displays his wares he tells that he has toys for children while we see Aruru playing with a toy and then that he has beautiful jewelry for women while we see Dorii and Gura try said jewelry on.
Also I think some people are getting too used to the high pitch type of voice most anime girls have.Dorii and Gura sound female enough to me.Also as was pointed out earlier,they surely bound their chest for better maneuverability.
I think in the anime they're girls.
You can say there is ambiguouity over the issue, so every viewer has their opinion on it. I stand by my view that they are male in the anime just as they are in the game. Again, one major thing I ground my reasoning in is that they were accurately transitioned in their portrayel from the game and game artwork to the anime, and they are indeed male in the game. Also, not only are they portrayed very accurately from how they appear in the game, there is nothing significant that indicates that they are female in the anime instead of male.
If the anime producers had intended them to be female in the anime, don't you think they would let the audience know in a concrete way that they are female in the anime rather than male? Again, don't forget that the main audience is Japanese citizens, many of whom are familiar with the game or have played it. Since they are portrayed very accurately in the anime from how they appear in the game, and there is no clear indication that they are the opposite sex in the anime (nor would it really make much sense for them to alter it), this leads me to believe that they figured they didn't have to tell their primary audience what gender they are; those familiar with the game should figure it's the same as it is in the game, and the producers figured most people in the primary audience would view it that way without them having to add a scene establishing this just like the one in the game.
Also, about the scene with the merchant and the beautiful lady comment, the anime studio for this series was probably humoring the primary audience, again with many of them familiar with the game, and relating how that comment was placed with the amusing scene in the game where Hakauro mistakes the twins for females.
Episode 11 reinforces my opinion that they are males.. whereabouts of timeframe 07:44 - 08:20, the commands they were giving to notch and fire arrows. Sounded particularly male to me. But again, as Urzu points out, ambiguity is ever present..
Episode 11 reinforces my opinion that they are males.. whereabouts of timeframe 07:44 - 08:20, the commands they were giving to notch and fire arrows. Sounded particularly male to me. But again, as Urzu points out, ambiguity is ever present..
Yeah, there is ambiguity, but I personally do think there are more things that indicate that are male, definately. And when they did issue commands in ep. 11, they certainly did sound male, but I think they sound like males, anyway. They are feminine and have feminine qualities, but you find male anime characters in that age range displaying such qualities often in anime; for example, like Toboe from Wolf's Rain, not only in his appearance, but his voice (Sub and Dub), as well.
LilleNisse
2006-06-25, 18:09
I to be honest think they are both male, but I want em to be female :(
This is why I both hate and love anime, you never know if its a girl or a guy somthimes, atleast thats me.
But the jewlry thing... Well if I wasnt used to seeing such which I guese they arent? Id probobly reakt the same way they did, get amazed and wanting to try it on.
As for the commands they say in episode 11... I think they sound abit manly. Not as a man but like a kid who yet have become one.
So my guese is they are both male, worst part is I pushed wrong and voted for that they are both female. So Im guesing they are both male:upset:
The studio's Reasoning might be as simple as political correctness (Personaly I have no issues with gay people, except the flamboyent ones).
Homosexuals are still and probably will always be considered as an ugly way of living (Lesbians arent looked down on, actually we plead for more).
So perhaps the Studio didn't want to change the story out've respect of the game maker. So they keep it ambigus as possible, and this ambigity leads us to think they are female, which is what they want.
In the game its known they are male, however to say that all the viewers that are watching Utawarerumono right now played the game as well is wishful thinking.
Though this isnt an open and shut case Maybe at the end of the series we'll see the truth.
Yeah, there is ambiguity, but I personally do think there are more things that indicate that are male, definately. And when they did issue commands in ep. 11, they certainly did sound male, but I think they sound like males, anyway. They are feminine and have feminine qualities, but you find male anime characters in that age range displaying such qualities often in anime; for example, like Toboe from Wolf's Rain, not only in his appearance, but his voice (Sub and Dub), as well.
This poor, poor va. Watanabe Akeno (http://www.animenfo.com/animeseiyuu,333,apqzoy,watanabe_akeno.html)
Like if the twin are supposed to be male, then she'd be like "Yes! I'm doing a pretty good job here. (But probably crying inside as to,) I sound like a male!.."
But if many are wrong, that the twins are indeed female,.. that's like, double kill.
Deathkillz
2006-06-25, 21:40
its easy to figure out...the one in blue is male and the one in red (close enough to pink) is female...now all that leaves is to know the name of the red one and the blue one...anyone care to tell me? :p
After all the talk thats gone on, i'm still gonna stick with my original idea and say they're Male.. thats just how they come across to be in the anime.
Now in the game.. thats a different story all together. ^^;
This poor, poor va. Watanabe Akeno (http://www.animenfo.com/animeseiyuu,333,apqzoy,watanabe_akeno.html)
Like if the twin are supposed to be male, then she'd be like "Yes! I'm doing a pretty good job here. (But probably crying inside as to,) I sound like a male!.."
But if many are wrong, that the twins are indeed female,.. that's like, double kill.
Nah, it's not too rare that a VA is female but does voice work for a young male character (or characters in this case). The Japanese VA for the twins could manipulate her voice to sound like a teenage boy, but her voice is fitting for a female normally. Toboe from WR was voiced by a woman in the dub, and Edward and Alphonse Elric from FMA are both voiced by Japanese woman (link below). And again, I didn't say the twins sound manly, just that they sound like males who are on the feminine side and in their mid teens.
Profiles for Japanese VAs for Edward and Alphonse found here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2960
In the game its known they are male, however to say that all the viewers that are watching Utawarerumono right now played the game as well is wishful thinking.
I don't know if I said all the viewers played the game, but if I said that or worded it in a way suggested that, my mistake. My point is, who do you think is the biggest audience for the game; the people who played it the most or heard some things about the game, at the least. Japanese citizens, methinks. Not too many westerners know about the game, for sure. In fact, many people who have gotten into the anime have learned it is based on a game after first getting into the anime. Anyway, again, the primary audience is Japanese citizens, and I'm sure many people living in Japan who are following the anime have played the game or are familiar with it to some extent. Not all of those keeping up on the series, but I'm sure it's a sizable amount of those who are in the primary audience.
These are my opinions, of course, but it's kinda interesting that this thread and topic gained so much steam. :D I'm curious about the thread starter's post; why did he say we should disregard the source of the anime, the game, on this matter? :heh:
Nah, it's not too rare that a VA is female but does voice work for a young male character (or characters in this case). The Japanese VA for the twins could manipulate her voice to sound like a teenage boy, but her voice is fitting for a female normally. Toboe from WR was voiced by a woman in the dub, and Edward and Alphonse Elric from FMA are both voiced by Japanese woman (link below). And again, I didn't say the twins sound manly, just that they sound like males who are on the feminine side and in their mid teens.
Profiles for Japanese VAs for Edward and Alphonse found here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2960
If voice is even being manipulated. Else, as one would call it, multi kill. ;)
If voice is even being manipulated. Else, as one would call it, multi kill. ;)
Oh, I'm sure she is. VAs manipulate their voices to fit a character or role all the time. Here is the Japanese VA for Dorii and Guraa, btw. She probably does have a womanly voice to match her appearance (she is cute ^_^).
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6844
What are the names for the two twins, based on color?
Deleted some of the eariler Episodes.
I am now thinking outside of the box. Thanks Urzu.
I believe the twin in Blue is the female.
And the Twin in Red is the male.
1. Red went for the necklesses, thats normal for a guy to wear. And the Blue went for the hair piece. Based on positioning of the jewelry scene on this image.
http://members.cox.net/sonic_blue/Red%20is%20guy%20Blue%20is%20chick.jpg
Red on the Left getting the neckless and Blue is on the right trying on the hair piece.
2. Basing on an Earlier picture. Blue was grabing Orb's arm very Protective like.
While Red was just making sure he was ok. (Scene when Orbs on the ground)
3. Blue tends to show a slight more emotion when faced with oposition *I realize this is a bit subjective*.
4. During 14:14 of episode 11 (Yesy after Eruruu was drugged) you can see Blue's eyes wavering a bit. While Red eyes stayed put. Plus Blue seems to be a little taller (girls tend to grow taller first in puberity), Or it can be just a drawing error.
Oh, I'm sure she is. VAs manipulate their voices to fit a character or role all the time. Here is the Japanese VA for Dorii and Guraa, btw. She probably does have a womanly voice to match her appearance (she is cute ^_^).
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6844
Like I previously said, unless if Dorii and Guraa holds the like natural voice of the VA. But saying that she probably does have a womanly voice to match her appearance, could be. That as, well, to your first point that VAs could manipulate their voices to fit a character or role at just about anytime.
... .. Hmm,.. I might've skimmed the net on that one.
Oh, I'm sure she is. VAs manipulate their voices to fit a character or role all the time. Here is the Japanese VA for Dorii and Guraa, btw. She probably does have a womanly voice to match her appearance [B](she is cute ^_^).
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6844
She is cute. :)
What are the names for the two twins, based on color?
I think Dorii is the one with the blue skirt. Guraa, the other.
thundrakkon
2006-06-26, 01:40
My point is, who do you think is the biggest audience for the game; the people who played it the most or heard some things about the game, at the least. Japanese citizens, methinks. Not too many westerners know about the game, for sure. In fact, many people who have gotten into the anime have learned it is based on a game after first getting into the anime. Anyway, again, the primary audience is Japanese citizens, and I'm sure many people living in Japan who are following the anime have played the game or are familiar with it to some extent. Not all of those keeping up on the series, but I'm sure it's a sizable amount of those who are in the primary audience.
These are my opinions, of course, but it's kinda interesting that this thread and topic gained so much steam. I'm curious about the thread starter's post; why did he say we should disregard the source of the anime, the game, on this matter?
Do you think the studio just wants to target the game players, or do you think, like most businesses, that they want to capture a much larger audience beyond the game players? It is just basic Economic/business sense.
Furthermore, what is the point of this anime gender guessing game if you are using the game as your background evidence? I don't believe this is meant to give game players free rep points. As stated before, we should direct our comments and evidence based on the anime.
As for the VA sounding male, feminine male, etc., it is still never concrete evidence to their gender since the only ever true evidence that a character is a male is when a male VA the character. I have never heard of a male VA for a female character in Japan, unless for blatant comedic purposes. Female VA's can voice either gender, so it is not definitive.
At 13:40 of episode twelve, Dorii refers to Gura and himself as "boku-tachi." This is essentially the coup de grace to the wishful thinking/anti-wiener camp.
At 13:40 of episode twelve, Dorii refers to Gura and himself as "boku-tachi." This is essentially the coup de grace to the wishful thinking/anti-wiener camp.
Soo...boku-tachi is Japanese for one referring to oneself or oneself and others as a guy/s? Just trying to understand clearly what you said. :p
Soo...boku-tachi is Japanese for one referring to oneself or oneself and others as a guy/s? Just trying to understand clearly what you said. :p
Basically. It's a masculine pronoun.
FatPianoBoy
2006-06-27, 22:35
Girls say 'boku' too, though. In fact, right there on the ANN page for the twins' seiyuu it says she often refers to herself as 'boku.' Again, not definitive. 'Ore' would probably clinch it; 'boku' can still be interpreted as a tomboyish trait.
Girls say 'boku' too, though. In fact, right there on the ANN page for the twins' seiyuu it says she often refers to herself as 'boku.' Again, not definitive. 'Ore' would probably clinch it; 'boku' can still be interpreted as a tomboyish trait.
Still, taking all the other things into consideration, I really doubt it's to be a tomboyish sort of thing. Again, taking all other things into consideration, the boku thing probably is implying they are indeed males, not them being tomboyish girls. I think after we've all covered a bunch of points about this in this thread, I think there are more things indicating and pointing to them being male. This "boku" remark is another one added to the list. When looking at the whole picture, I think making the arguement that the boku-tachi remark could be a matter of the twins being tomboyish girls, I really think that is really stretching things.
A thought had just occurred to me. ... Yes, a thought. Run far, far away. And don't light that match!
Nipples, for example. As generally most anime male characters do not have nipples, that should the twins do indeed have nipples in the anime, it in perhaps would indicate that they are female.
Nipples, for example. As generally most anime male characters do not have nipples, that should the twins do indeed have nipples in the anime, it in perhaps would indicate that they are female.
Definite proof of Oboro being female, he's more loaded than Eruruw in that department.
A thought had just occurred to me. ... Yes, a thought. Run far, far away. And don't light that match!
Nipples, for example. As generally most anime male characters do not have nipples, that should the twins do indeed have nipples in the anime, it in perhaps would indicate that they are female.
No offense, but are you humoring us? :heh:
By chance, if they did show them shirtless in the anime, and they had nipples, this means one of two things, taking into consideration your idea:
a) They are male. Apparently they have nipples in this scene. That is fine, showing a male with nipples is A-Okay
b) Playing by your idea, they are shirtless and have nipples, and therefore are female (under your idea). And thus, if that really was the case, Utawa would then be giving viewers a lolicon peep-show. :twitch: :heh:
^ Yep. Because of the above post, if they do show their nipples, it can be automatically concluded that they are male. If however, thruout the whole shot they purposely cover those nipples somehow, then they are probably female.
Could slip past the censors, being that, here we are. -Now I'm daring them.
Definite proof of Oboro being female, he's more loaded than Eruruw in that department.
So he then be natural bi (full trans?) perhaps. ...knew I was on to something. :heh:
Girls say 'boku' too, though. In fact, right there on the ANN page for the twins' seiyuu it says she often refers to herself as 'boku.')
The fact it was noteworthy enough to mention on the page should tell you something about how exceptionally rare it is. You're going to hyperextend your shoulder if you keep reaching like that.
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-28, 10:19
remember Asa-senpai? she's a "boku-ko"
The fact it was noteworthy enough to mention on the page should tell you something about how exceptionally rare it is. You're going to hyperextend your shoulder if you keep reaching like that.
It may be really rare in real life, but it's a lot more common in anime/games, etc. Basically, if you want to create a character who's not fully masculine or fully feminine, you'd use 'boku.' Boys, tomboys and unassertive males would essentially fall into this category.
Boku probably being pun as to the VA, or as read in probable relation in the ANN character VA bio.
Basically, if you want to create a character who's not fully masculine or fully feminine, you'd use 'boku.' Boys, tomboys and unassertive males would essentially fall into this category.
Even this category is dominated by boys and traps. It's already been said before but, with all we know, it's a big stretch.
Even this category is dominated by boys and traps. It's already been said before but, with all we know, it's a big stretch.
Yeah, hehe, you and I seem to have the same outlook on the topic. :)
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-01, 13:02
The fact it was noteworthy enough to mention on the page should tell you something about how exceptionally rare it is. You're going to hyperextend your shoulder if you keep reaching like that.
I know it's a stretch, I'm just pointing it out :rolleyes:
I'm not advocating any gender for them at this point. It's still pretty much up in the air for me. They're probably male, but you know how anime is :heh:
musouka5
2006-07-15, 11:01
I think the twins are both female because if you look at all the females in the anime their ears point downwards and the male ears go up like elves. And by saying that you can the twins ears are poiting downwrads like a female. I odn;t know if i'm right but if you look closely and examine thre female and the male's ears it basically is giving you a pretty big hint which gender is which...=D
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-15, 12:40
I think the twins are both female because if you look at all the females in the anime their ears point downwards and the male ears go up like elves.
Some guys have drooping ears ;)
I'll reiterate that comparing their features to female character features isn't something to go by. Again, they had the same features in the game as they do in the anime (very accurate transition from game portrayel to how they are portrayed in the anime). And the game does say they are male.
Also, I gotta ask, why does the original poster even suggest ignoring how it says they are male in the game for this thread? It is like it is out of left field to bring that to the table for the thread.
musouka5
2006-07-15, 13:23
ah this is so confusing!
ah this is so confusing!
It's just the big eyes that aren't seen on the other males.
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-15, 13:32
Also, I gotta ask, why does the original poster even suggest ignoring how it says they are male in the game for this thread? It is like it is out of left field to bring that to the table for the thread.
It's not unheard of for genders of characters to be switched when going from one medium to the other. The twins from FMP! TSR and Sobash from BotS were male in their repective novels, but I doubt anyone would argue their gender in the animes :heh:
Well.. i've never seen the anime but, One looks like it has breast
http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap15157cd.jpg
or is that just me? So i say one female, one Male
Well.. i've never seen the anime but, One looks like it has breast
http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap15157cd.jpg
or is that just me? So i say one female, one Male
Nah, if you examine the picture, you can see that the left side has no "boobie", so that would throw that speculation out the window. As for the small mound (and the single mound, that is) found on the right side, it is just how the animator illustrated it, methinks. Perhaps the garment bundles up there, they were thinking, or simply it is just an inconsistency. However, if the character is female and they intended to draw small breasts in that scene, well, going with that thinking, if it appears that there is one breast and not two, that would be quite some inconsistency in itself. :heh: :p
It's just the big eyes that aren't seen on the other males.
And it would be fitting for them. They are mid teens (probably like 14) and also on the feminine side. In some episodes, you'll see younger male characters, like villagers, with the bigger eyes, and I think dropping ears, too. The characters look about 10 or so. Some examples are when the winged people first meet the empire under Hakauro, and two boys run by and pluck feathers from the old man, and in the newest episode (13 or 14), a young boy asks if Hakauro is a bad man at the very beginning.
Also, one of the villagers of Eruuruu and Aruuruu's village was about the twins age (seems about 13 or so) and he had bigger eyes and drooping ears.
I couldn't find a bigger pic, but it is the character on the left, perhaps some of you recognize him, you see him up close in the beginning of episode 11.
(I can not hot link the pic, so it is in the 4th row down, center pic).
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/06/12/utawarerumono-11/
Nah, if you examine the picture, you can see that the left side has no "boobie", so that would throw that speculation out the window. As for the small mound (and the single mound, that is) found on the right side, it is just how the animator illustrated it, methinks. Perhaps the garment bundles up there, they were thinking, or simply it is just an inconsistency. However, if the character is female and they intended to draw small breasts in that scene, well, going with that thinking, if it appears that there is one breast and not two, that would be quite some inconsistency in itself. :heh: :p
Though word once had it that back in the medieval days, female archers had cut one of their breast off, as to be able to better draw -to better use the weapon.
... :upset:
And it would be fitting for them. They are mid teens (probably like 14) and also on the feminine side. In some episodes, you'll see younger male characters, like villagers, with the bigger eyes, and I think dropping ears, too. The characters look about 10 or so. Some examples are when the winged people first meet the empire under Hakauro, and two boys run by and pluck feathers from the old man, and in the newest episode (13 or 14), a young boy asks if Hakauro is a bad man at the very beginning.
Also, one of the villagers of Eruuruu and Aruuruu's village was about the twins age (seems about 13 or so) and he had bigger eyes and drooping ears.
I couldn't find a bigger pic, but it is the character on the left, perhaps some of you recognize him, you see him up close in the beginning of episode 11.
(I can not hot link the pic, so it is in the 4th row down, center pic).
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/06/12/utawarerumono-11/
No droopy ears of course, as that child had the ear-pantsu on. But appropriate tomboy attire I suppose. :p
Though word once had it that back in the medieval days, female archers had cut one of their breast off, as to be able to better draw -to better use the weapon.
... :upset:
No droopy ears of course, as that child had the ear-pantsu on. But appropriate tomboy attire I suppose. :p
Ah Green, always trying to make things interesting like so. :D
About the first thing, I've never heard that, but even so, you know they wouldn't sneak in something so obscure and in such a slight manner like that, and that is if they were even female in the first place. :p
About the second thing, you know as well as I that isn't a tomboyish girl. =p
You've seen me support why I think they are male in several posts, I'd like to know, what is your opinion and what are some things that influence your opinion?
Ah Green, always trying to make things interesting like so. :D
About the first thing, I've never heard that, but even so, you know they wouldn't sneak in something so obscure and in such a slight manner like that, and that is if they were even female in the first place. :p
Long story back some time ago at the old high school history class. That as even though female fighters weren't all that common, they were however there during that time. Archery as the more common long range weapon, while most useful in those days, rather an pain for women to use. That as one of their breast would tend to get in between the arrow's draw string, messing up firing trajectory, as also while causing an rather painful sting. Crude method for the elite was to cut off whichever one got in the way, if wrapping couldn't suffice. But practice ended at some point when the crossbow became more widely available.
About the second thing, you know as well as I that isn't a tomboyish girl. =p
You've seen me support why I think they are male in several posts, I'd like to know, what is your opinion and what are some things that influence your opinion?
Twins in profile, an feminine like appearance, possible cross dressing, and jewelry scene to throw in an even odd twist.
That perhaps their personality has it that they are feminine. But unknown at to their actual physical gender. Stronger support I believe being in that they are male. In that, reasonable belief has it that the twins are doing it with Oboro. But as Oboro doesn't appear to have made any motion to Eruruu, and later, no motion as of yet to court some of the fine lady beauties, probably has it that Oboro is gay. That with in addition, that Oboro seems to be a bit too friendly to Hakuoro.
Put together, probably has it that the twins are physically male, but overall is inconclusive.
But there are holes to be expected to some end.* And eventually things can be spun to mean something completely different then intended, if left to be filled & expanded with one's mind,** while compared to other material. The ear-pantsu kid from within the previous comment of mine, more or less in thought of what makes that child any more different than the twins.***
*Pervert
**Extremely perverted
***I just wanted to add the three asterisk characters at the end****
****Case in point, that maybe when Oboro in the game: tells Hakuoro that the twins are male, that maybe indeed that they are just male. But as not being in the anime, of course leaves us to draw up conclusions from other material as presented by from the anime.
Okay, I see a bit more, that you are very open to the odds and ends that indicate it is not concrete what gender they are, and that you like to speculate on certain things which may indicate the gender is female rather than male.
Sinestra
2006-07-15, 21:45
my reasoning is how they speak to Oboro and Hauroko. They both use formal language when speaking to either of them but they dont use female fomal language they always speak as they are males
Okay, I see a bit more, that you are very open to the odds and ends that indicate it is not concrete what gender they are, and that you like to speculate on certain things which may indicate the gender is female rather than male.
Easier to watch the animation without question, but all more fun just speculating. ...which in the end hopefully leads to talk & nipples resulting with messing around with the animators and television censors. -Bath scene hopefully ...Touka, Karura, Urutorii... So many new ladies yet to be formally presented. :cool:
Easier to watch the animation without question, but all more fun just speculating. ...which in the end hopefully leads to talk & nipples resulting with messing around with the animators and television censors. -Bath scene hopefully ...Touka, Karura, Urutorii... So many new ladies yet to be formally presented. :cool:
You gotta love our ecchi-Green. Speaking of whom, I do agree with his view that such a debate would be left open-ended, because its really left open to our interpretation; until and if the producers decide to reveal it. (I really hoping they do, I hope to get that cookie)
However, this thread serves wonderfully to collect all that interpretations, so if someone would be kind enough to go back 8 pages and collect all of them in one post for objective analysis, I'm sure we would all cookie him or her for the effort :p
But yeah, its fun speculating like that :D
my reasoning is how they speak to Oboro and Hauroko. They both use formal language when speaking to either of them but they dont use female fomal language they always speak as they are malesI noticed that they said "Eruruu-sama." Is that male use?
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-16, 16:13
I noticed that they said "Eruruu-sama." Is that male use?
No. It's androgenous.
I haven't been paying super-close attention when they speak, but I think their speech is usually androgenous (except for 'boku').
Shirobane
2006-07-23, 19:17
Hmm taken from the opening
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4021/nailqz4.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nailqz4.jpg)
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't having long nails discouraged in archery? In anime, it seems that female characters are given much more leniency (like say...drinking on the battlefield ;)) than male characters in regards to military tradition/procedure. So Dorii and/or Guraa's long nails could indicate that they aren't exactly male characters.
OR
Long nails traditionally only appear in female anime characters, and therefore one could assume that one or both of the twins are female.
Your thoughts. :p
Omniscient
2006-07-24, 17:20
Hahahaha!
Alright, time to add fuel to the fire (straight from episode 17):
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7280/utawarerumono17twinstb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Even with that happening in episode 17 - there's nothing saying both are female.
Hahahaha, that was in the videogame, more or less. Oboro gets drunk, and wakes up with the twins naked, but they are on the floor, not cuddling on him like in the anime. Bwahahahaha, that is rich.
they look EXTREMELY girly... not that they dont always ><
Remember, they both haven't to be the same gender. ^^;;
Xellos-_^
2006-07-24, 18:04
omi beat me to it. refer to last page.
I wonder what Oboro's reaction is going to be. I think I will get the RAW. Hope the Sub comes soon!
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1792/utawarerumonooi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sorry to say, but its already been posted.
Xellos-_^
2006-07-24, 18:32
Even with that happening in episode 17 - there's nothing saying both are female.
But if you didn't know ahead of time they were the twins you would probably they are female and oboro is a lucky bastard.
The ambigious element still remains, but I'll state it again, that scene is close to a scene in the game where Oboro gets really drunk and the twins end up escorting him to a room and then, well, do this and that with him. :heh:
EDIT: Link to post of forum user who is familiar with the game (it is in the second spoiler tag):http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=573352&postcount=35
What is said in the second spoiler tag:
Okay.
One day, when Oboro was drunk/unconscious they told to Hakuoro "don't worry hakuoro-san we'll take GOOD care of him" and they took him away.
In the next morning Oboro commented to Hakuoro on how they were sleeping in his room naked and that his body felt funny...
Yeah, i know of there gender in the game - but still, it could easily be different in the anime.. its been done before.
Still, if they're both male in the anime - i'm not afraid to say how cute they are, and how god damn lucky Oboro is.
Catgirls
2006-07-24, 18:56
So should we lock this Poll now? Has everyone voted?
So should we lock this Poll now? Has everyone voted?
But we're still talking about it, is that alright? ^^;;
Xellos-_^
2006-07-24, 19:05
So should we lock this Poll now? Has everyone voted?
Have we decide they are guys or girls yet?
Have we decide they are guys or girls yet?
Its easy to say that the anime is never going to tell, that is if they stick with there genders from the game.
Catgirls
2006-07-24, 19:17
But we're still talking about it, is that alright? ^^;;Oh yeah. :) Everyone can still chat about it, but I was thinking about closing the poll because we really don't know what their true gender is yet. Right? But...
...if all of the sudden, we find out...there will be a mad rush of late people voting with ill gotten information! (Like me! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/devil.gif) And that wouldn't be too fair, but it's cool. If you guys want the poll open all the way up until their gender is truly revealed, then I'm fine.
Either way, the thread will stay open for discussion forever (or at least until the next forum hack) regardless if the poll is closed or not. :)
Sorry Catgirls, i just didn't understand what you mean't - yeah, closing the poll seems about right. ^^
In episode 17, they didn't reveal any indications to what gender they are through dialogue?
In the end, maybe it is best they leave this up to the viewers interpretation. Then people of either side of the debate can decide for themselves whether they are male or female.
Shirobane
2006-07-24, 19:26
In before the lock then :p
Given new "evidence" and that I really only want to mess around, one male and the other female. Oboro is pretty fruity, so I'll simply say that one of the twins are male since he'll probably be hard-pressed to tear Hakuoro away from Erruru :D
In before the lock then :p
Given new "evidence" and that I really only want to mess around, one male and the other female. Oboro is pretty fruity, so I'll simply say that one of the twins are male since he'll probably be hard-pressed to tear Hakuoro away from Erruru :D
The poll will be locked, the discussion will remain open. :)
Shirobane
2006-07-24, 19:32
The poll will be locked, the discussion will remain open. :)
I hadn't voted yet lol
Paracelsus
2006-07-24, 19:34
But seriously, unless they have put some yaoi vibes on purpose, the twins should be female, at least in the anime <.<
But seriously, unless they have put some yaoi vibes on purpose, the twins should be female, at least in the anime <.<
I don't wanna start a argue or anything, but they can be whatever gender they want in the anime, they shouldn't have to be female.
But seriously, unless they have put some yaoi vibes on purpose, the twins should be female, at least in the anime <.<
They could be male. Homosexual type innuendo is common in anime, especially for comedic purposes, and people are saying this was a pretty comedic and light hearted episode for Utawarerumono. Besides, again, this is close to a comedic scenario in the game.
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-24, 19:44
I can't vote. I'm truly on the fence with this one. Even with a nude shot (allbeit covering the most important parts), we're still no closer to the truth. It's like this is being done deliberately :eyebrow:
So should we lock this Poll now? Has everyone voted?
I'll vote after I watch episode 17.
steelbound
2006-07-24, 19:58
Finally decided to vote both female even though I felt they were for the entire show. What finally pushed me to voter as that picture from episode 17. I can't help notice that if they're guys then they're awful concerned about keeping the chest region covered.
if you look at the screencaps from random curiosity....
both twins were in bed with oboro...naked
-> from what it looks, they were both female.
Catgirls
2006-07-24, 20:09
I'll vote after I watch episode 17.Yeah, but I think episode 17 gives it away. Hehehe... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/devil.gif
*starts ringing a bell*
The Poll is closing soon!! Get your votes in!! http://smilies.vidahost.com/kao/otn/pnkytora.gif
if you look at the screencaps from random curiosity....
both twins were in bed with oboro...naked
-> from what it looks, they were both female.
As it's been said several times in previous posts, it does not necessarily mean that they are female. A better hint may be the shape of their legs, which seem a bit too thin to be male - but I think it would be so much more fun if they really were male. ;)
azn_chopsticks_boi
2006-07-24, 20:12
he could be gay :P
I watched episode 17, the Raw, and it seems like Oboro doesn't know they did sleep with him. He just gets medicine from Eruuruu for a hangover, but it shows a flashback of the twins getting Oboro drunk. :heh:
They look very feminine in that scene on the bed, but they have been feminine throughout the series. They could be male and wanted to get with Oboro, it is clear they have feelings for him. In episode 15 or 16, when they are on some cliffs and Oboro is down below, Oboro almosts gets hurt and the twin in the red robe (I believe it is Guraa) sheds a tear (you have to look closely). Also, don't forget that a few episodes back, they refered to themselves with the phrase "boku-tacchi", which people here have said is an expression males use to refer to themselves (the twins were talking about something they found on a scouting mission).
The ambigious element remains, things are still open to interpretation.
But after watching the scene in ep. 17, it all plays out in a comedic manner, and it really looks like the twins purposely get Oboro drunk (and those events of getting him drunk to sleep with him are close to the scene in the game where they take advantage of a drunken Oboro).
ZGMF-X10A
2006-07-24, 20:49
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Utawarerumono/Utawarerumono%20-%2017%20-%20Large%2006.jpg
3 males in bed together -.- hmmm
imho i think they are females ...
and those events of getting him drunk to sleep with him are close to the scene in the game where they take advantage of a drunken Oboro.
Yeah, its more or less a toned-down version of what happened in the game, but at least the right feelings are kept the same.
Catgirls
2006-07-24, 21:32
Hrmmmm...well, after looking at Episode 17....I still can't really tell. Something is bothering me about my gut feeling. Maybe we should keep the poll open until one of them dies or become wounded. We need a good view of their chest.
Or crotch.
Their behavior is attributable to either sex. Some of their mannerisms, though, are female in nature. They could very well be male/female. But that long hair...hrmmm...
We need a good view of their chest.
Or crotch.
Hah, one can only wish. ^_^
Ah well.. thats a trap for you. <3
Their behavior is attributable to either sex. Some of the mannerisms, though, are female in nature.
Think about what you just said - and remember, actually gay people do act female.
Deathkillz
2006-07-24, 21:38
^ i cnt believe you sed that either...if they have crotches it will make them...
shemales (sorry but it can happen :p)
if they have crotches it will make them...
shemales (sorry but it can happen :p)
Actually, it wouldn't make them that - it would just make them male.
Imo, Dorii and Guura are lovelovelove~
even though one of them gets injured enough and we have to see them wrap one of their chests, that still leaves the other twin's gender undecided
Deathkillz
2006-07-24, 22:08
Actually, it wouldn't make them that - it would just make them male.
but dnt they look awfully feminine when in bed with oboro? :twitch:
but dnt they look awfully feminine when in bed with oboro? :twitch:
So?
Men can look feminine you know. :3
The larger percentage I feel sides to that the twins are both male. But with one discrepancy... that as I had previously concluded that Oboro is gay, that for the twins to greatly later enjoy and later anticipate an drunk Oboro to do "this and that", that an rather loose Oboro could mean:
1. That Oboro doesn't usually do this & that with the twins because the twins are female.
2. Oboro does do this & that with the twins, in support of the previous Preparation H outcome, that in resulting something a bit too rough and maybe unpleasant with the twins, that the twins prefer the loose Oboro a lot better.
1 & 2. Limitation
That there's nothing stating that the twins are not one gender or the other. That in overall comparasion, that Oboro just perfers rough sex. That all that we do know, is that the twins are still by Oboro's side.
However, being that with the medicine scene after, maybe the key point here, is that Oboro didn't seem to want anything for the ass. -This was something that he had to drink. Surely something if perhaps related to an hangover, Eruruu would be most used to dealing with this problem, and not have to whip up something special.
Oboro, to note, also sounded kind of funny in the voice. That perhaps this medicine was for a sore throat or something in combination with treating a hangover. That in meaning either Oboro is not used to the booze, or that,.. ... ..oh my gawd... they didn't... ah ha! Of course the twins are there just thinking of the wonderful time that they had with Oboro. Wait, wait,.. who ever said that revenge was a dish best served cold? They're happy, that we can see. And I bet that surely wasn't served cold! :heh:
Now I'm sure some will say that if Oboro didn't want any medicine for the ass, then that the twins must be female. But THAT however is outnumbered by that they either took turns, already had an ample supply of "ointment," or both in combination. Hey! Even Oboro looked like he was walking a bit funny there... Day after of course. But understandable, as alcohol is known to do that to some people. ;) ...but not me.
:eek:
Oh my...
Thinking well, wasn't something around episode 14 or 15 the twins were searching Eruruu at morning to ask for some special "ointment"? :heh:
thundrakkon
2006-07-24, 23:34
We should really stop with the game references. We already know that they are male in the game by now, but as an anime veiwer, no one would think twice that they are anything besides females at this point. There have been no explicit points to show that they are male, but 2 very explicit points that would show that they are female
1) The merchant states it
2) This bed scene cuddling Oboro with their chests covered
Animes do not hide the chest and hip areas unless you are female, especially holding the blanket up close to your chest and cuddling (that is a female trait).
As for the Boku comment, as previously stated, it is probably a hommage to the VA.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-07-24, 23:45
the sheet/hand covering?
By haruhi. he's got a point! :twitch:
WOW 11 pages of figuring out what gender these twins are..
well at first i thought they're females, then changed my mind to males seeing wiki's info, then after watching ep 17... this one scene before hakuro leaves to see kuuya the 2nd time, he said to look after oboro while he's drunk or something. the twin's response sounded VERY feminish.
so my final answer is females ^^
They're a big big mystery.
I think they are most probably males. From this, I can say that either:
1.) The twins are gay
==> They sadistically made Oboro drugged and had their way with him! Made themselves looks like girls so Oboro would do this and that with them *_* ~ Twins are male
2.) Oboro sleeps bare-chested.
==> The picture doesn't definitively say they were naked, noting to the fact that the middle part of their bodies *the crotch* is covered. So in this scenario, they just cuddled up with him, bare-chested! ~ Twins are male.
3.) Oboro slept with them.
==> Implying they were all naked and had sex. This scenario would constitute "child sex" which is very improbable. ~ Twins are female.
They're a big big mystery.
I think they are most probably males. From this, I can say that either:
1.) The twins are gay
==> They sadistically made Oboro drugged and had their way with him! Made themselves looks like girls so Oboro would do this and that with them *_* ~ Twins are male
2.) Oboro sleeps bare-chested.
==> The picture doesn't definitively say they were naked, noting to the fact that the middle part of their bodies *the crotch* is covered. So in this scenario, they just cuddled up with him, bare-chested! ~ Twins are male.
3.) Oboro slept with them.
==> Implying they were all naked and had sex. This scenario would constitute "child sex" which is very improbable. ~ Twins are female.
The sheet-covering could just be the producers' way of being coy. ;) What better way to fuel series discussion than to give fans material to argue over. If everything was straightforward, it would end up like ARIA, which is well-loved by many( me included), but not much discussed about, because well... there's not much to discuss about in the first place( not that it's a bad thing, mind. I love ARIA for what it is). :P
I'm willing to wager that the producers will hold back the answer until just before the final confrontations, probably in the last 'peacetime' episode. If only to screw up the minds of all the viewers who have never played the game before, and had assumed that the twins were females all along. :P
Cheers.
this arguement will last a while
Shinji103
2006-07-25, 00:42
Dude, they're female.
For Oboro's sake, THEY BETTER DAMN WELL BE FEMALE. :twitch: :eyespin: :twitch: :eyespin: :twitch: :eyespin:
Tsuki-Tsu
2006-07-25, 01:00
Hmm ... well, even after seeing how feminine they looked in Ep. 17, I still say they're male. Dunno why, but they always looked like guys to me (which I'm sure is the opposite of most people here).
As for the whole 'chest covering' thing, although it may imply that they're female, I've actually watched anime that had guys doing this ( of course, it was shounen-ai ... ).
Shinji103
2006-07-25, 01:02
As for the whole 'chest covering' thing, although it may imply that they're female, I've actually watched anime that had guys doing this ( of course, it was shounen-ai ... ).Unfortunately, if the twins are indeed male, then shounen-ai rules and trends would have some ground here...
:eek:
Oh my...
Thinking well, wasn't something around episode 14 or 15 the twins were searching Eruruu at morning to ask for some special "ointment"? :heh:
I did post something regarding that on episode 13.., it was something like..
That scene kind of strenghtens the fact that Oboro is having sex with them; altough not compleatly "willingly"
As I saw described in a post in the Game's thread, it seems that one time Oboro was trying to get Hakuoro drunk in order for the twins would take him instead of himself.., this would imply that Oboro realy isn't looking forward to the "events" that the twins often surely propose..
And what better scene to show us that then the one where is shown walking towards Benawi, Karura & Ururotori all upset and angry, and he clearly demonstrates that by beeing angry by no reason at something realy trivial he asked Benawi.
Then the twins scene show up where they are asking for Eruruu.., for.. some "ointemnt"
Adding to the look that Karura gaved to the Ururotori.., it realy, REALY gaved me the idea that Karura knew what it was for ^^
And altough I have not seen episode 17 yet, as I have been reading there seems to be another similar scene to this one.., after they where in bed with Oboro as displayed in that picture ?
True that the "ointment" doesn't specificaly say that they are gay.., Therefor I am more interested in seeing Oboro's reaction after he wakes up with both with them in bed (again?), and/or how he behaves after through out the rest of the day ^^
Never the less though.., it still strikes me as a bit strange that the twins REQUIRED to get Oboro drunk (as it happened in the past?) to be in bed with him.., something that probably wouldn't be necessary if they where female.
We should really stop with the game references. We already know that they are male in the game by now, but as an anime veiwer, no one would think twice that they are anything besides females at this point. There have been no explicit points to show that they are male, but 2 very explicit points that would show that they are female
1) The merchant states it
2) This bed scene cuddling Oboro with their chests covered
Animes do not hide the chest and hip areas unless you are female, especially holding the blanket up close to your chest and cuddling (that is a female trait).
As for the Boku comment, as previously stated, it is probably a hommage to the VA.
Hmm, my take on these view points...
I'll start off with this...you say the "boku tacchi" comment is an hommage to the VA. I couldn't disagree more, I must say. For one, the VA is female, how that is an hommage to the female VA doesn't make sense to me. I think the "boku tacchi" comment is a pretty clear indicator of them being male. Also, I think there are certain things which pay hommage to scenes and humor from the game. For example:
1) Relating to your first bulleted point. The merchant probably mistook them for females. My grounding to how this is an obscure reference to the game: there is an amusing scene in which Hakauro mistakes them for females.
2) Relating to your second bulleted point: they show characteristics of males in shounen ai works. They sure do look feminine in that scene (as someone else mentioned, again typical of males in shounen ai works), but they have been feminine and typical uke fare throughout the series. What makes them look very feminine is their hair being down. But, kinda makes sense that their hair would be long and womanly. I kinda figured if their hair was down, it'd be at least shoulder length. Usually, with their hair, they have long bangs held up by a head band and their hair is pulled back and put into big pony tails. If you think about that, it wouldn't be all that surprising when their hair is down and so long.
And again, this could very well be another obscure reference to a scenario in the game, again, with them taking advantage of a drunk Oboro, and then him complaining the next day about being sore and feeling funny around his body. Also, now that someone mentions it, it is suspicious that the twins wanted that ointment a few episodes back. :heh:
Someone said to just disregard what they are in gender in the game because many people watching the anime won't be familiar with the game, but I disagree with that mentality. There will be viewers that are familiar with the game, and I think the creators of the animation would throw in references to in game scenarios, and I think some of the things I just analyzed could very well be references to things found in the game.
They were gay for Oboro in the game, and it certainly is a possibility that this is the case in the animation. And as someone said, you find them fitting the role of the typical androgonous pretty boys found in shounen ai animes, what with being feminine but also showing signs of masculinity and holding feelings for some male character, which are typically cool, tough, and a bit of the wild type (Oboro :heh: ).
I'd like to ask...does anyone here know spoken Japanese really well and has the raw for episode 17? I'd like someone to post a rough transcript of what the characters say in that scene, especially at the part where the scenary goes gray it seems like Hakauro and Oboro are speaking to each other through telepathy and Oboro is freaking out (wtf, telepathy, I know, but that is what it seems like :heh: ) and also what Hakauro says about Oboro as he is walking in the town square immediately after that scene.
thundrakkon
2006-07-25, 02:28
For one, the VA is female, how that is an hommage to the female VA doesn't make sense to me.
The VA refers to herself as "Boku".
Akeno Watanabe (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6844)
1) Relating to your first bulleted point. The merchant probably mistook them for females. My grounding to how this is an obscure reference to the game: there is an amusing scene in which Hakauro mistakes them for females.
So far, there is no mistake mentioned on what they think the gender is. No point in the anime have they rebuked that claim by the merchant. Either way, as a harem type anime, it will be unlikely to display shounen-ai scenes as it will turn off most viewers, which the producers definitely want to avoid.
...them taking advantage of a drunk Oboro, and then him complaining the next day about being sore and feeling funny around his body. Also, now that someone mentions it, it is suspicious that the twins wanted that ointment a few episodes back. :heh:
I think Green² mentioned that Oboro just wanted medication for his hangover in the episode, nothing about soreness or feeling funny around the body. As for the ointment, when I first heard it, my thoughts went straight to the idea that they were practicing their daily archery routine with their men, and probably someone's arm/shoulder was sore. As for the knowing look from Karura and Ururotori, it looked like, "oh Eruruu and Hakuoro are both gone... hmm... Yeah, let's get these two some medication so they won't bother the lovebirds" instead of any insinuations of wrongdoing by the twins.
...I think some of the things I just analyzed could very well be references to things found in the game.
Or they could be altered references from the game, to make it more public friendly (i.e. not both males). The producers have already altered this bed scene from what was originally described in the game, so that the twins are portrayed as feminine. Otherwise, they would have kept the twins on the floor, as mentioned a few post back concerning the game scenario.
you find them fitting the role of the typical androgonous pretty boys found in shounen ai animes
Except this is definitely not shounen-ai anime.
In all, the case is still very strong that they are females in the ANIME. I am sure that the producers intended it that way for the ANIME, since the majority of anime viewers prefer to see pretty girls over pretty boys.
Edit:
Never the less though.., it still strikes me as a bit strange that the twins REQUIRED to get Oboro drunk (as it happened in the past?) to be in bed with him.., something that probably wouldn't be necessary if they where female.
It might have to do with the fact that they know he has a sister complex and probably would not consider anyone else. The girls (twins) do need some loving at times from their master any way they can... Then again, Oboro could have seduced the twins while he was drunk, and I doubt they would resist their master...
The VA refers to herself as "Boku".
Akeno Watanabe (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6844)
So far, there is no mistake mentioned on what they think the gender is. No point in the anime have they rebuked that claim by the merchant. Either way, as a harem type...
...way for the ANIME, since the majority of anime viewers prefer to see pretty girls over pretty boys.
Edit:
It might have to do with the fact that they know he has a sister complex and probably would not consider anyone else. The girls (twins) do need some loving at times from their master any way they can...
The anime is certainly not a shounen ai anime, but it is also certainly not a harem anime. The comments about "Hakauro's Harem" are in jest. He isn't doing anything with the ladies, not even the one who obviously has strong feelings for him, Eruuruu.
Also, the case isn't that things strongly indicate they are female. Or male, for that matter. It is still very much a gender bender issue, and there are things that indicate them being male and female. Just like in the game, they were gender bender type characters, and just as androgonous. You said if they were male, the bed scene wouldn't be mainstream, but it quite really could. It would be very comedic to the veiwers that these guys got Oboro drunk to sleep with him. Shounen ai is not mainstream, you are right. However, sexual innuendo type humor, including this type (if it is this type) sure is common place in anime. If the case was that it was shounen ai type sexual innuendo humor, it wouldn't be too out of place, as there was already some yuri themed humor (when Eruuruu first met Karura in the cell). Yuri isn't mainstream, either, you know, but humor centered around it is common place.
Also, about Oboro having a sister complex - I don't think so, and I've never seen any one think that about Oboro other than you. Furthermore, you use that arguement (twins use Oboro's sister complex in their favor), but I think that is dispelled, as I really don't think Oboro has a sister complex. Also, someone mentioned, if the twins were female, I don't think they would need to get Oboro very drunk to sleep with him. It is more fitting, IMO, that they would be male and have to take such drastic measures to be in the same bed as him.
Also, the scene isn't portrayed as exactly in the game, and it would fit your arguement that most anime viewers wouldn't want to see pretty males - in this case, in the nude. Rather than showing blatant nudity, they have them nestled up against him. This would touch upon shounen ai, but wouldn't delve too far where it would really bug viewers, and at the same time, fit in with the possibility of it being a comedic scene playing with shounen ai sexual innuendo, but it being light in tone, like that of Eruuruu and Karura. And it sure is possible it could be such a comedic type scenario as that, as I watched most of the raw for this episode, and the whole scene where which this occurs is played out in a comedic and humorous way, with the intent of being a rather funny and amusing scene.
Dang all that can be said has been said.. (will read thru later when i've the time, see if I can add anything). Only one more thing, if both of them are males, they're going to need serious Oinment after this. So if we see another oinment scene in 18.... :D
One last thing, is the poll closed already? I think it wouldnt be fair for those who voted from the start if it was kept opened. we are supposed to guess after all.
One last thing, is the poll closed already? I think it wouldnt be fair for those who voted from the start if it was kept opened.. we are supposed to guess after all.
The poll would be closed, not the thread.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-07-25, 09:02
The sheet-covering could just be the producers' way of being coy. ;) What better way to fuel series discussion than to give fans material to argue over. If everything was straightforward, it would end up like ARIA, which is well-loved by many( me included), but not much discussed about, because well... there's not much to discuss about in the first place( not that it's a bad thing, mind. I love ARIA for what it is). :P
I'm willing to wager that the producers will hold back the answer until just before the final confrontations, probably in the last 'peacetime' episode. If only to screw up the minds of all the viewers who have never played the game before, and had assumed that the twins were females all along. :P
Cheers.
I like that.
What can be even better is that they mess with both pack of fans by making one female one male, which would make Oboro bisexual.
Now THAT would be fantastic. :D
It'll drive everyone mental. hell yeah! :D :D :D
Remember, Oboro was drunk/passed out - that doesn't make him anything. ^^;
Remember, Oboro was drunk/passed out - that doesn't make him anything. ^^;
Doesn't make Oboro anything except, pwned! ;)
Doesn't make Oboro anything except, pwned! ;)
Yeah, i'd agree with that. ^_^
& a bit of a legend in my books~
Darklightz
2006-07-25, 18:04
The Twins were very feminine in episode 17.Holding their cheeks shyly when Oboro said they got drunks,wiping his chin,etc...they even sounded more feminine!
Gay guys can be feminine,but not this much I think.
Also,regarding the merchant's comment on jewelry for beautiful women,there were a lot of people around,including Hakuoro,Oboro and the twins themselves yet nobody correct him.I'm sure any guy would correct someone who assuming they were girls right?
I"m 95% sure they're both female.I"m hoping before the serie ends we'll see something as definite proof
The Twins were very feminine in episode 17.Holding their cheeks shyly when Oboro said they got drunks,wiping his chin,etc...they even sounded more feminine!
Gay guys can be feminine,but not this much I think.
There's no real relation between sex-associated behaviour and sexual preference. In fact, "masculine" or "feminine" behaviour is mostly cultural (that is, as opposed to natural).
Take Karura, for instance. No-one is questioning her female-ness because of those things on her chest with Life-like texture ;_;. If she looked as androgynous as Dorii and Gura, however, we'd probably have a "Guess the Gender of Karura" thread with a large amount of people thinking she were male.
KaneDragon
2006-07-25, 18:55
Guys, because there's no way Oboro of all people would end up with two identical twin female sidekicks willing to drug him in order to sleep with him. :p Why can't Hakuoro's harem be that desparate?
porchoky
2006-07-25, 19:46
Yeah, after ep 17, there isnt any doubt in my mind that they're females. They can't look any more not-male in the bed scene.
now woudln't it be crazy if one was female and one was male
The Twins were very feminine in episode 17.Holding their cheeks shyly when Oboro said they got drunks,wiping his chin,etc...they even sounded more feminine!
Gay guys can be feminine,but not this much I think.
Also,regarding the merchant's comment on jewelry for beautiful women,there were a lot of people around,including Hakuoro,Oboro and the twins themselves yet nobody correct him.I'm sure any guy would correct someone who assuming they were girls right?
I"m 95% sure they're both female.I"m hoping before the serie ends we'll see something as definite proof
I think they are male, but I think the animators and such should leave it open to interpretation; that way people can think of them as one way or another.
But they certainly could be male and as feminine as that. It happens a lot with androgonous gay characters. :heh: I know people say that they could be females in the anime, like how sometimes genders of characters switch from one medium to another (as seen, many people reference FMP twins from novel to anime), but people holding that opinion should really also keep in mind that the twins could very well be the same gender in the anime as they are in the game. That definately is a good possibility, you know. Also, they have been portrayed very much like how they are in the game. This whole thing with the Oboro and twin bed scene in Ep. 17 can very well be a reference to that scene that is nearly identical in the game, and the twins can very well be feminine, gay males in the anime like they are in the game.
Anyway, about them being feminine in parts of this episode, it sure it true, but don't forget how tough and masculine they can be at times, too. For example, in episode 15 (I believe this episode), the twins are on two adjacent cliffs, and they order two squadron of archers to fire on the enemies in a revene below, and it cuts to Dorii and Guraa giving orders, and then does a cut to where both are captured in the same shot and with close ups of both, and they display very masculine and tough characteristics as they are leading their troops in this scene.
zgmf-x19a
2006-07-25, 20:08
I'm getting confused I thought they were girls at the beginning and now I learn they are guys lol and isn't it a bit weird to make Oboro end up naked with 2 guys? lol
Deathkillz
2006-07-25, 20:12
^ how can you be so certain that they are guys? >.< poor oboro if it is true tho...buttaches...
I do think that it is quite likely that the case is they are two guys, and they needed to get Oboro drunk to sleep with him. I watched the raw for ep. 17 last night, and just watched the fansub of episode 17...
It really seems like Oboro didn't know what the twins did. He says they got drunk and passed out, but it really seems like he doesn't realize the twins slept with him. After he tells Hakauro this and it transitions from the 'bed scene' to Oboro telling Hakauro the account in the present, Dorii and Gura, well, lol, one sure is happy thinking about it, and one is giving him a certain "that was hot" kind of look. Oboro turns around and looks at them, and as soon as they do, they change expressions (but still have a look of admiration this time :D ), but Oboro is looking at them like "what the heck?".
It really seems like Oboro doesn't know what really happened, but Hakauro picks up on it fast. Usually is how it is, Oboro is not the sharpest tool in the shed while Hakauro is sharp, on the other hand. Anyway, right after that scene, where Hakauro tells Oboro to drink it, as Hakauro is walking in the town square, Hakauro thinks to himself "Take this as a lesson and don't get pushed around next time, Oboro" and I think that refers to him being taken advantage of by the twins. That is the "pushed around comment" and the 'lesson' is he had to learn things the hard way, because the drinking led to the hangover, and the hangover led to him drinking the medicine, which seems to taste awful. I believe that is what it refers to, it seems like so following that scene and the dialogue between Oboro and Hakauro ("Humans don't die that easily" :heh: ).
Also, some random thoughts about Ep. 17:
Oboro gets owned a lot. :D
Eruuruu is very cute when mixing the medicine and her tail is wagging like crazy.
Touka is very cute throughout the episode.
Emperor Kuuya is beautiful. :) Hopefully she will be an ally.
^ how can you be so certain that they are guys? >.< poor oboro if it is true tho...buttaches...
Well, maybe not...perhaps that never became an issue, because afterall, the twins did get some ointment from Eruuruu a few episodes back. :heh: :p
Deathkillz
2006-07-25, 22:27
^ ROFL they did??? i must have missed that...so they planned it all along...sneaky :p
^ ROFL they did??? i must have missed that...so they planned it all along...sneaky :p
Premeditated Oboro-molestation scheme...that'd be funny. :D
They got Oboro into drinking too much quite easily, too. The twins must like the fact that he is a "cheap date". :heh:
Deathkillz
2006-07-25, 22:34
^ now why did the writers leave that out of the anime? >.< i can imagine both of them now planning the assult haha...
^ now why did the writers leave that out of the anime? >.< i can imagine both of them now planning the assult haha...
I wouldn't need a funny little sub plot like that, not so much. In this thread, I pointed out how a scene similar to that scene in episode 17 is found in the game (actually, someone posted the transcript of the game scenario in one of the first pages of the thread, and I referenced the post and left a link to the post). My guess is they put this in the anime because this was a rather laid back and amusing episode, and they decided to incorporate that scenario from the game into this episode for further laughs and amusement.
^ I suppose there is an obligation to remain true to at least some of the themes of the game.
Why does the game always creep into our posts when its not supposed to?
Why does the game always creep into our posts when its not supposed to?
Because I don't agree to the stance that we should entirely ignore details about the game on the matter. While the anime has its differences from the game, I don't think for this topic we should just say "Yeah, everything from the game is nullified for this topic". I'd say, obviously that isn't the case, not only for this topic, but many things that correlate between the game and the anime. After reading up and hearing what several people have said about the game, the anime seems to be rather close to the game rather than a significant departure from it, as compared to, say, Mai Otome manga and Mai Otome anime, for example, the two of which had several significant differences. Another good example is the Kasimasi manga and the Kasimasi anime.
The game is the source material, afterall, so not only would they have major characters and incidents carried over, but its easy to understand that the animation company would want to do something like mix in smaller references and events into the anime. Perhaps a lot of them aren't wholly accurate, but similar, nonetheless.
Yes. Details from the game, and from real life comparisons (the posts on viewer trends comes to mind) do provide important clues and inferences for us to make an educated guess. But I suppose we arent to rely too much on them (i.e. in teh game their male, since teh anime follows the game closely, they must be male in the anime 2!) because that would really spoil discussion. And also negate the purpose of the thread.. smartly guessing the twins gender.
In anycase, I'm curious. All those who voted male on the poll before 17; do you still think they are male after seeing 17? I still stand by my choice of both male.
^
Yeah, I was going to say something similar in my last post, you shouldn't ignore everything from the game while at the same time you shouldn't rely entirely on the game; strike a middle ground.
I voted them as both being male after seeing the first several episodes, and with this last episodes, my decision remains the same. They always seemed male to me. They have some feminine qualities and sometimes display feminine qualities and mannerisms, but they also have masculine qualites and display those at times, as well. They remind me of other young male characters in anime that can have both feminine and masculine qualities, but still be tough and rather good fighters (Toboe from Wolf's Rain comes to mind).
It is hard to imagine them as females and for it to be accepted by Oboro and Hakauro to fight in battles, as well. Karura and Touka are females on the battlefield, but they are big exceptions. For one, both are older and around Oboro's age. Secondly, each one is a very good fighter. Karura and Touka can hold their own against Benawi, possibly the best fighter in Hakauro's ranks. On top of that, Touka is an excellent fighter coming from a tribe of people legendary for their fighting skills. Karura is seriously freakin' super human or something. She weilds a sword in battle that Benawi's friend can't even lift (forgot his name) and she got stabbed by two swords in episode 15 and was non-chalant about it and kept on fighting. Big exceptions.
Dorii and Gura are significantly younger (probably about 14), yet fight in major battles, train soldiers for archery, and lead archer squadrons and give commands in major battles. I can definately see them as males and being able to hold such positions and have this allowed by Oboro and Hakauro, but it'd be hard to see all that being the case if they were teenage girls. I am not trying to give off sexist vibes here, I think these things based on what I'd expect from Hakauro and Oboro in the series.
thundrakkon
2006-07-26, 00:38
Everything thus far, in the ANIME, has led to the twins as females.
Furthermore, after watching episode 17, it looks like that whole scene was the twins and Oboro getting drunk, having fun together, and ended up in bed together. No indications that it wasn't consentual or being drugged. Just seemed like the typical girl pouring drinks for the guy scene. Furthermore, Orboro mentioned that they had a fun time and were knocked out until morning. He didn't seem to mind, and when he woke up, he would have also saw the twins in bed with him.
Furthermore, near the end of the episode, he goes at it again with twins. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, but another scene was when when Oboro drank Eruruu's medication, the twins wiped his face with their handkerchief, which is a female attribute. I doubt Oboro would be ok with it if some guys were wiping his face affectionately.
The anime has more than enough indicated that the twins are females, with really no indications that they would be male. As an anime only viewer, I don't think anyone would think twice about them being anything but female up to this point, unless they were influenced by gamers telling them otherwise.
As for
Karura and Touka are females on the battlefield, but they are big exceptions.
Aruruu on big tiger in episode 15, fighting an army 10 times the size of theirs. If Hakuoro had any qualms about putting females on the battlefield, then surely he would have prevented his "daughter" from putting herself in immense danger against odds that were slim. Furthermore, Eruruu, a non-fighter, charging into the stronghold of the enemy? No, I don't think Hakuoro has any thing against having women in the battlefield.
Furthermore, after watching episode 17, it looks like that whole scene was the twins and Oboro getting drunk, having fun together, and ended up in bed together. No indications that it wasn't consentual or being drugged. Just seemed like the typical girl pouring drinks for the guy scene. Furthermore, Orboro mentioned that they had a fun time and were knocked out until morning. He didn't seem to mind, and when he woke up, he would have also saw the twins in bed with him.
Furthermore, near the end of the episode, he goes at it again with twins. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, but another scene was when when Oboro drank Eruruu's medication, the twins wiped his face with their handkerchief, which is a female attribute. I doubt Oboro would be ok with it if some guys were wiping his face affectionately.
Actually I agree with your observation, especially the part in bold, that was the idea I got from that scene too. Oboro would have seen them naked with him. HOWEVER. I believe this can be used the other way round to, to back up the guess that the twins are male.
I'm saying that Oboro is so close to the twins that sleeping (just sleeping) naked with them does not make him feel weird or embarassed in anyway. Sure, you may say, "the same can be said if they are girls." But wait a minute here. We know how Oboro hasnt exactly shown any liking to any of the girls; thanks to CardiacG for that montage. In anycase even if that is not true, I cant imagine him acting as if nothing had happened between them. Can you imagine how embarassed Oboro would be if he had been sleeping naked with them if they were girls? Hell, he wouldnt even want to be in the same room with them for a long time to come, much less let them wipe his chin that way. Males, he wouldnt see it that way.
Hence I say they are males.
Everything thus far, in the ANIME, has led to the twins as females.
Furthermore, after watching episode 17, it looks like that whole scene was the twins and Oboro getting drunk, having fun together, and ended up in bed together. No indications that it wasn't consentual or being drugged. Just seemed like the typical girl pouring drinks for the guy scene. Furthermore, Orboro mentioned that they had a fun time and were knocked out until morning...
...Furthermore, Eruruu, a non-fighter, charging into the stronghold of the enemy? No, I don't think Hakuoro has any thing against having women in the battlefield.
It is still all open to interpretation at this point. Most of your arguements hold some weight, but there are good counter arguements, as well.
As for Aruuruu, Hakauro did object to it in the beginning, about her leaving and going around with the tiger. She ended up sneaking out anyway, in one of the earlier episodes, and she saved Hakauro, the twins, and Oboro. Aruuruu seems to do whatever she wants with the pet tiger, though. She still raids food store houses with him. Eruuruu is hardly on the front lines, but that time she was in the burning village and at the castle, she told Hakauro she is going whether he likes it or not (and her going with him that time was a bit important for character and plot development). Hakauro has shown dissapproval for them in this regard, but both Aruuruu and Eruuruu have over-ridden his will. The twins seems younger than Eruuruu, but not once has Hakauro or Oboro indicated they have a problem with them fighting; as if they were female or something.
With Oboro and the drunken incident, I really think he doesn't know what really happened. Just re-watch the scene. Oboro is thick-headed as it is. Then, during the scene, he says they got drunk and had a blast, but after he says that, the twins look mischevous. The twins do know what happened. I don't think Oboro does. When Oboro is looking away, he has a grin on his face. When he turns around to look at the twins, they lose the mischevous look, and Oboro has a some what annoyed look. It seems like he doesn't know some things the twins know about, you know. :D
And again, after that scene and after Oboro drinks the really bad medicine, Hakauro makes that comment "Take this as a lesson and don't get pushed around next time, Oboro" and taking the prior scene in consideration, I think what he is talking about is that he shouldn't have had the twins push him around and get him so drunk, because that led to the medicine, and well, when he had second thoughts, Eruuruu put a guilt trip on him, and then he had to drink the awful stuff. :heh:
One other thing, they do display some feminine qualities, but as many have pointed out, in a lot of animes you have a lot of androgonous young male characters with feminine and masculine qualities, which the twins could be; they could quite possibly be those type of characters in this anime (and I don't want to try to reference the game again, but that is how they were portrayed as characters in the game).
I respect your opinion, but I wouldn't say, by going with the anime alone, they are one gender or the other. I think you can make arguements and counter arguements for both sides of the debate, so a lot is up to viewer opinion and interpretation. I think it would be ideal if the animators kept it that way, then people on either side of this topic can have their own opinion.
I do think that it is quite likely that the case is they are two guys, and they needed to get Oboro drunk to sleep with him. I watched the raw for ep. 17 last night, and just watched the fansub of episode 17...
It really seems like Oboro didn't know what the twins did. He says they got drunk and passed out, but it really seems like he doesn't realize the twins slept with him. After he tells Hakauro this and it transitions from the 'bed scene' to Oboro telling Hakauro the account in the present, Dorii and Gura, well, lol, one sure is happy thinking about it, and one is giving him a certain "that was hot" kind of look. Oboro turns around and looks at them, and as soon as they do, they change expressions (but still have a look of admiration this time :D ), but Oboro is looking at them like "what the heck?".
It really seems like Oboro doesn't know what really happened, but Hakauro picks up on it fast. Usually is how it is, Oboro is not the sharpest tool in the shed while Hakauro is sharp, on the other hand. Anyway, right after that scene, where Hakauro tells Oboro to drink it, as Hakauro is walking in the town square, Hakauro thinks to himself "Take this as a lesson and don't get pushed around next time, Oboro" and I think that refers to him being taken advantage of by the twins. That is the "pushed around comment" and the 'lesson' is he had to learn things the hard way, because the drinking led to the hangover, and the hangover led to him drinking the medicine, which seems to taste awful. I believe that is what it refers to, it seems like so following that scene and the dialogue between Oboro and Hakauro ("Humans don't die that easily" :heh: ).
Also, some random thoughts about Ep. 17:
Oboro gets owned a lot. :D
Eruuruu is very cute when mixing the medicine and her tail is wagging like crazy.
Touka is very cute throughout the episode.
Emperor Kuuya is beautiful. :) Hopefully she will be an ally.
Well, maybe not...perhaps that never became an issue, because afterall, the twins did get some ointment from Eruuruu a few episodes back. :heh: :p
Are you sure?
Are you sure he wasn't referring to Eruru's act?
Are you certain?
Are you certain he wasn't referring to Eruru's act to get him to drink the medicine?
Are you positive?
Are you positive he wasn't referring to Eruru's act by pretending to cry to get him to drink the medicine?
Actually I agree with your observation, especially the part in bold, that was the idea I got from that scene too. Oboro would have seen them naked with him. HOWEVER. I believe this can be used the other way round to, to back up the guess that the twins are male.
I'm saying that Oboro is so close to the twins that sleeping (just sleeping) naked with them does not make him feel weird or embarassed in anyway. Sure, you may say, "the same can be said if they are girls." But wait a minute here. We know how Oboro hasnt exactly shown any liking to any of the girls; thanks to CardiacG for that montage. In anycase even if that is not true, I cant imagine him acting as if nothing had happened between them. Can you imagine how embarassed Oboro would be if he had been sleeping naked with them if they were girls? Hell, he wouldnt even want to be in the same room with them for a long time to come, much less let them wipe his chin that way. Males, he wouldnt see it that way.
Hence I say they are males.
And you ASSUME they have not done this before WHY?
Did it not occur to you that perhaps they've had sex before?
Do you not see how loyal the twins are towards him?
He is their MASTER, I don't see why a master should be embarassed sleeping with his servants.
Are you sure?
Are you sure he wasn't referring to Eruru's act?
Are you certain?
Are you certain he wasn't referring to Eruru's act to get him to drink the medicine?
Are you positive?
Are you positive he wasn't referring to Eruru's act by pretending to cry to get him to drink the medicine?
I said in a later post that it could refer to that.
I had thought it could of meant how Eruuruu put a guilt trip on him, but consider this: Why would Hakauro think about that when in the prior scene he basically told Oboro "Drink it! That's an order!". He basically coerced him to drink it for Eruuruu's sake. He thinks to himself "Take that as a lesson and don't let yourself get pushed around so much". But what is the hard lesson learned? Drinking the bad medicine. Is the "getting pushed around" comment about how Eruuruu made him feel bad? Or even how Hakauro pushed him into it? If it did refer to those last two things, why would Hakauro force Oboro to drink it, and then five minutes later think "Geez, I hope you learned your lesson. Don't get pushed around by the likes of me or Eruuruu". I don't see that really fitting, as Hakauro sure was intent on making Oboro drink that medicine.
And you ASSUME they have not done this before WHY?
Did it not occur to you that perhaps they've had sex before?
Do you not see how loyal the twins are towards him?
He is their MASTER, I don't see why a master should be embarassed sleeping with his servants.
First of all, that is a big assumption to think that they have had wild, drunken sex before, you know.
With this, this viewpoint could apply to the situation whether they are male or female, but anyway, I just don't see Oboro as the type to just have sex every now and then with his best comrades. Oboro took the twins in at a young age and raised them. The twins mention this in one of the first episodes. Oboro is quick tempered and thick headed, but he shows that he can have a good heart. I don't think those two who he took in, raised, and are now his best comrades, well, I just don't think he'd have casual sex with them. They call Oboro "m'lord", but he is not their grand-authoritive master and they are in forced servitude to him. Again, they are companions and comrades, and they stay with him and fight along side him because they have so much loyalty and respect to him for him taking them in and giving them a second chance at life.
You say "I don't know why the master would be embarassed sleeping with his servants" as if they just do it every now and then. Indeed, I don't think anyone would dispute that they have feelings for Oboro, but to say there is a good chance that they like to have casual sex here and there is a big and baseless assumption. And Oboro would be embarassed about such a thing. So many little things set him off, anger him, annoy him, or humiliate him. In the same episode, he couldn't handle Eruuruu's little "woe as me" talk well, and was getting frustrated when Aruuruu owned him. And another thing: if Oboro and the twins slept together every now and then and he'd have no embarassment about it, why would the twins have to get him very drunk in order for them to sleep together?
EvolutionXI
2006-07-26, 03:05
Voted both female...tho i still think they could be guys. But from the bed scene in 17, their facial expressions make them look a lot like girls to me.
Whatever their gender may be in the series, I think it is really funny that they got Oboro drunk to sleep with him. :D
I'd love to see them try that on Karura, only to have Karura offer them some, get them intoxicated, and then go total femdom on them. :naughty: :heh:
Well for oboro's sake, let us all pray for him that the twins are girls or at least one of them is one....
I have a feeling Oboro is gay, anyway, he just doesn't really know it yet (one of those types). He just seems like that type of character. :p I think he'd freak out if, say, Karura was coming on to him. He'd be too flustered.
There is no grounding for this speculation, Oboro just strikes me as that type. ;)
Marine-RX179
2006-07-26, 03:57
There is no grounding for this speculation, Oboro just strikes me as that type. ;)
Yea...he does give off sort of a 'I am gay' aura...:D
ok may be he doesn't...was only kidding...
D a m i e n
2006-07-26, 04:59
which one is which one? i dont even know they had a name, never paid attention though :/
I dont care weither they are male of female, they are dedicated warrior.
I would think they are female, i was kinda disappointed when they discard the fact that one was injured by an arrow and next episode she is weilding her bow again like nothing happened. i m guessing that Eruru was the one that tend the wound therefore she would know if at least 1 is a girl or a man. she didnt seems disturbed when oboro explained what happened that night, and seeing how she blush everytime she is in a scene involving ecchiness ,i would be saying the injured twing is a girl, and since they look like real twing the must both share the same genome and both have 2 X chromosomes : therefore both are girl imo.
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