The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 10]

[Catgirls]

Welcome to this weeks episode thread for Suzumiya Haruhi (also know as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) the most popular show of 2006. This week...the infamous Episode #10...this is THE episode to watch if you've missed any of the others. Ep. #10....don't blow this one off.

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[justinstrife]

First to post. :D

Looking forward to seeing more haruhi x kyon moments, and hoping Yuki starts showing a little more emotion(a man can dream right?). Haven't read the manga/novels so I'm in the dark there, but I'm definetly in the Haruhi bandwagon. *waves flag*

[C.A.]

First to post. :D

Looking forward to seeing more haruhi x kyon moments, and hoping Yuki starts showing a little more emotion(a man can dream right?). Haven't read the manga/novels so I'm in the dark there, but I'm definetly in the Haruhi bandwagon. *waves flag*
I think one of your wishes may just be fulfiled this episode lol

[sleeplessNites]

Lol, did "that" someone who voted had insider preview to the episode in question?

[Shirobane]

Lol, did "that" someone who voted had insider preview to the episode in question?
Maybe (s)he's from the future :heh:

Edit: it seems that cats has inside info too, hyping an episode before it's aired (on this time plane >.>)

[C.A.]

He could also be an esper who can see into the future.

We Haruhists must be open to such things.

[sleeplessNites]

perhaps it was haruhi subconsciousness :heh: our world is at her mercy.

[C.A.]

Maybe (s)he's from the future :heh:

Edit: it seems that cats has inside info too, hyping an episode before it's aired (on this time plane >.>)

I would hype this episode myself too lol, this episode is going to be insane. Most of us has been waiting for this for a long time lol

[Pakxenon]

HYPE THIS EPISODE!!!! I've been waiting 9 weeks for this ever since I finished the translated V1C5 from the hard-working novel translators. Also 5 weeks since Episode 4 (baseball).

...Yuki!

[M.D. Geist]

Judging from the first spoiler pics on 4chan the epi seems to rock :twitch:

[Village Idiot]

I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet:

Ep10 picys:

http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2977599.htm

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3018/higurashi105xt.jpg

Yuki is god damn awesome.

[Prodigious]

/faints

btw, I just realized how many blatant Evangelion references there are.

[Alu]

Ah... my Asakura will finaly get the screen-time she deserves ! :D

About time too, she is an awsome character..; this part of the story will be without a doubt, Great !
And judging by those pictures.., that is putting it in soft words :)

Anyway.., putting my expectations high on this episode will surely not be a waste; now the wait for the Sub's begins.. :p

[rain...]

Yuki owns and the lady from the op finally makes her appearance...

[djc89]

I just saw some of the screens...


http://dat.2chan.net/18/src/1149434061309392d.jpg
Impaled! Noo, Yuki! T-T

[Kinny Riddle]

Since episode 2, I haven't rated an episode above 9, but even before watching it, I've already decided to reserve my next full 10 for this episode. Seeing the screenshots have confirmed my decision to be correct, but I'll wait till I've watched it to put my vote down.

First Yuki, now big Mikuru. Simply awesome.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Since episode 2, I haven't rated an episode above 9, but even before watching it, I've already decided to reserve my next full 10 for this episode. Seeing the screenshots have confirmed my decision to be correct, but I'll wait till I've watched it to put my vote down.

First Yuki, now big Mikuru. Simply awesome.
The fact that KyoAni removed the OP music so we can have the adult Mikuru and the Yuki battle fit in the same episode, is very interesting.

Does that mean there is room for Bamboo rhapsody?

[Vexx]

Damn.. I may need a 10+ if this pans out.

[Suiseiseki]

Needs more shots of Mikuru's cleavage.

Why does this cute girl have to be evil? :upset:

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[Kinny Riddle]

Oh wow, already they're jumping to volume 5 and doing "The Day of Sagittarius" for next episode. :o More Yuki!!! :love: :love:

[Village Idiot]

Oh wow, already they're jumping to volume 5 and doing "The Day of Sagittarius" for next episode. :o More Yuki!!! :love: :love:

Next episode will thus be full of win.

[IchiKyo]

RAW out
Now i can watch Asakura^^

[Deathkillz]

woo hoo more yuki love :love: funny how her face expression never change even when impaled by spikes XD

[Kazu-kun]

Needs more shots of Mikuru's cleavage.

Why does this cute girl have to be evil? :upset:

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She's not evil.

There's no such thing as evil when it comes to The Integrated Data Entity. Asakura just opted for a different approach about Haruhi. Using Kyon is, in fact, a really good idea.
To The Integrated Data Entity human life means nothing. Yuki's not an exception; had she been ordered to kill Kyon, she would do it without hesitation.

Of course, This changes when Yuki developes emotions.

[tritoch]

This was basically Mikuru's storyline.

Next will be Yuki's

and the show finishes with Haruhi x Kyon. yehey.

Exactly how I pointed it out in ep.9 with how the scenes went by.

[Kaioshin Sama]

She's not evil.

There's no such thing as evil when it comes to The Integrated Data Entity. Asakura just opted for a different approach about Haruhi. Using Kyon is, in fact, a really good idea.
To The Integrated Data Entity human life means nothing. Yuki's not an exception; had she been ordered to kill Kyon, she would do it without hesitation.

Of course, This changes when Yuki developes emotions.


Argh beaten to the punch, I was just going to make that exact same post.

[C.A.]

Arghhh, I'm not getting any peers or seeds, I can't wait anymore lol, I feel like giving a 10 right now!

[Suiseiseki]

She's not evil.

There's no such thing as evil when it comes to The Integrated Data Entity. Asakura just opted for a different approach about Haruhi. Using Kyon is, in fact, a really good idea.
To The Integrated Data Entity human life means nothing. Yuki's not an exception; had she been ordered to kill Kyon, she would do it without hesitation.

Of course, This changes when Yuki developes emotions.

In my defense I haven't seen the episode nor read the novels. I just went by what the screenshots seemed to show.

[tritoch]

704x396 resolution , 120 fps. Is that good? :heh:

I wish it was in HD like how Jyu Oh Sei is.

[panzerfan]

Day of Sagittarius 3! Dear god... I can't believe this. As a RTS gamer this is THE arc that resonates with me.

This episode is absolutely great. I have the novel to compare with this one...
It's too bad that the anime skips over the actual chant by Nagato. It's in the Baka-tsuki's translation however in case if anyone is interested to read over it.
I love how Haruhi dragged Kyon near the end of this ep btw.

[Mentar]

Wow. That was brilliant, as expected. Very very impressive, especially several animation sequences. The fight was among the most spectacular pieces of work I've seen in the last years :)

The highest rating I normally give is 9, and this is a little bit above that. 10 is reserved for the particularly amazing episode with an extra twist (I only pulled it for FSN 14 yet). This extra twist was missing here, but still, what a great great ep.

As a sidenote, I really dig the Nagato "casting" theme. Looking forward to finding this on the OST ^_°

(^_^)b

[Omniscient]

Episode 10 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/06/04/suzumiya-haruhi-no-yuuutsu-10/)

Loved the Mikuru parts (that birthmark made me go back and check previous episode and yup it's there), Loved the Yuki parts (so that's how she lost the glasses), Fantastic production quality. Definitely a 10 in my book.

[SGSeries2]

Gah! Gotta stop reading forum 'til the sub's out...!

[Incoan]

OH........
MY.........
GOD!!!!!!!!!!


Animation was ... wow! Nagata and Asakura battle was... wow! Mikuru was... Woaaahh! I am speechless...

TEN OUT OF TEN!

Sry , I really can't say anything constructive atm. :heh:

[justinstrife]

*picks jaw up off the floor* OMG Yuki and Mikuru FTW...

Just from the screen shots i want to give this a 10 and I haven't given that high a rating for an anime since episode 14 of Fate stay night(each episode after has gotten no more than an 8 from me). This show just keeps getting better and better, and has surpassed Fate to line right up there with Tsubasa Chronicle as my two favorites this season.

[Katapan]

Oh. My. God. I can safely call this the best animated episode I've ever seen. I totally understand why they saved up some time with Yuki's reading scene last week... And Yuki owned so much! The scene was just utterly awesome.

Oh. My. God. 2. I loved Gotou Yuuko's work with the adult Mikuru, just as much as I loved Mikuru's actions. The way she tells Kyon not to get too close, just makes you feel a bit mad that Mikuru just can't be with Kyon because of Haruhi (I am saying this as a Kyon x Haruhi fan, by the way, although I like Kyon x Itsuki more but it's got no chance to ever happen).

Sorry for not being able to type anything too constructive, I'm still under the shock. I feel like giving this a 10 is not enough (then again, I've given out 2 or 3 10s to Haruhi already, along with F/SN 14 who deserved it...)

[Village Idiot]

Just watched the raw.

Holy crap this the best episode I've seen in a long time.

The fight scene between Yuki and Asakura was amazing.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Haruhi banzai!

Woohoo!

:D :D :D

I can't believe the next episode jumping all the way to volume 05! WOOW!

[dxgarten]

Episode 10 screencaps and summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_ep10.html)

Some interesting battle between Yuki and Ryouko we have here. I do wish I can get a higher res version of the file. The one that I got is lousy

[Kaoru Chujo]

At least a 9: animation, surprise transformation, Mikuru2, Yuki. I'll wait for the sub to give a final number. On 2channel (http://anime.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1149442999/), the ascii art has already begun to appear:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/amorpsyche/yukiaa.jpgOh, and if you do want to click through and look at that 2channel thread, do it soon. When they reach 1000 posts, they start a new thread (they were already above 700). If they've closed that one, you have to go to http://anime.2ch.net/anime/subback.html and look for the latest 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱　SOS団の活動 thread.

[Prodigious]

Best episode so far. Clearly, jumbling up the narration of events was a good idea. If this episode had been shown back in the beginning, it would have been overwhelming and a lot of the finer points would have been lost on most people.

Adult Mikuru = :love:

[Sushi-Y]

Wow, that was an amazing episode. I had high expectations for the Asakura x Yuki battle, but they really nailed the "supernatural battle" feel. On top of that, they followed every movement, every attack in the novel almost line for line, word for word. Since combat is rare in this series (even after 8 volumes), I'm glad to see they managed to do the ones here with brilliant accuracy and quality. I can't wait to download the 1280x720 hi-res version for this episode. ^^

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The Mikuru meeting scene was also represented as-is from the novel, no corners cut. The adult Mikuru design was spot on. Good job to Gotou Yuuko-san for managing to nail the "older Mikuru" voice too. :heh:

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The episode ended pretty much on a "half-way" point, just before Haruhi and Kyon sets out to Asakura's apartment. Novel wise, this episode covered page 174 - 218.

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Now then, next week's episode... (Episode 13)
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"The Day of Sagittarius"

Now this is surprising. We know this is going to be a Yuki-main story, and one that foreshadows Shoushitsu at that. But if they're not going to go Shoushitsu, the meaning of this episode is a little... No matter! I already said back in April that this was one episode that I wanted to see. The poor computer club president deserves a comeback! :heh: And if Kyoani were to follow the novel closely like they did with this episode, we might actually see some silly quality SF space combat! :heh:

Oh yeah, due to the World Cup, next week's episode airtime will be moved forward to 10:30PM. So we'll get to see it earlier than usual. ^^

[angel_wing0]

mikuru big = big big big! xD

I have been looking foward to this episode for a long time!!! i really want to see ep 5 (the real one) after this episode thou...:frustrated:

[Deathkillz]

great great great! :D i think its an automatic 10...mikuru looks hotter than normal...and yuki is just soo cool!!!

[Shirobane]

Amazing episode, the combat was much more than I've ever expected.
Very glad that Kyoani nailed everything in this episode, even Tanaguchi "walking in" on Kyon and Yuki part.

Also noticed that whenever someone disappears in this show, it's assumed that they moved to Canada :heh:

[Onizuka-GTO]

Canada FTW!

:D :D

[C.A.]

LOL why do we humans chose to use decimals? If we used hexadecimals, I would have rated this episode to be anywhere from 12 - 15!

12 because I've read this chapter already and I've lost the wow! factor of this episode.

15 because this episode is simply amazing! Anyone who hasn't read the novels would be totally blown away by this episode, definitely.

What can I say? I definitely don't have the imagination and creativity level of Tanigawa Nagaru, how can anyone ever come up with such a battle!? Kyoani is now officially my favourite animator, maybe I should work hard and join them someday lol!

Even though I've already read it, this battle still stuns me, I twitched upon the seeing the chaos that was on the screen, my heart was pounding. Every little detail mentioned in the novel is present in the battle and its even more unbelievably chaotic than I could have imagined.

Oh and 'She's' hotter than I expected lol

[velocity7]

This episode was probably the best out of the entire series thus far. Gets a 10 from me. :D

[panzerfan]

Seriously. I've always picture Day of Sagittarius 3 as a clone of Starcraft/Homeworld/Starfleet Command/Jane's Fleet Command. It is a hardcore simulation from the sound of it where micromanagement is possible by macro. I really, really want to see this... till this day I have not seen an RTS that does it all save Supreme Commander that is still in R&D and Sagittarius is just 2-D and with no reinforcement. Finally, an episode of an anime for those that are hardcore RTS gamers.

(Going back to this ep. All the Higurashi jokes on Haruhi can now get even better source materials. Mechtte for Asakura and SQL for dear Yuki.)

[C.A.]

Hmmm mostly everyone is talking about the battle and Mikuru and these 2 items probably over shadow the little details in this episode. We should have a good discussion on Haruhi/Kyon/Ryoko, Yuki/Kyon and Mikuru/Kyon conversations when the sub is out.

[Shirobane]

Speaking of little details...
a Kyoani spin that wasn't mentionned in the novel, the passing of time of the "normal couple"

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I'll admit it, I laughed at the poor sap that got slapped around by that girl :D

and then some small details taken from the novel
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yes, that's "Nagato" on the back of yuki's shoe :p

[C.A.]

lol that guy was dumped in 2 days.

And yea the battle covered every detail in the novel, it was amazing when the spikes changed back into remains of a desk, I forgotten about that. The progressive but abrupt transformation of the classroom was perfectly done. Every background was done according to the novel.

[CrowKenobi]

Hmmm mostly everyone is talking about the battle and Mikuru and these 2 items probably over shadow the little details in this episode. We should have a good discussion on Haruhi/Kyon/Ryoko, Yuki/Kyon and Mikuru/Kyon conversations when the sub is out. I've just watched the raw, and wow!! :D

How about the little details in the battle itself? How the background changed seemingly with every camera angle change (after Yuki arrived) until she gets pincushioned at the end. Reminded me a little bit of the Matrix how everything happened.

What can I say about Mikuru that hasn't been said before? ;) HOT!! :love:

I know she said the "classified information" line when Kyon asked her age, but come on! Isn't this the perfect place to say Xellos' classic line: "Now, that... is a secret!" :heh:

[Pakxenon]

Anyone think that Episode 12 will actually be Episode 12? Next week is 13/11, so it's pretty damn close. That or it will be 11/12, since Endless Eight takes place before Asahina Mikuru no Bouken.

Hmmm... Can someone fill me in on those couples? They looked like Kasdjfkla;s and Tanijdklsa, but then he/she slapped him. o_O

[C.A.]

Hmmm... Can someone fill me in on those couples? They looked like Kasdjfkla;s and Tanijdklsa, but then he/she slapped him. o_O

You mean Kunikida and Taniguchi? lol! They are both guys, though they do look like a yaoi couple:heh:

The couple in this episode are just random characters lol

@CrowKenobi: Why did you quote me lol

[CrowKenobi]

@CrowKenobi: Why did you quote me lol
Because I was talking about the battle and Mikuru? :p :heh: :D ;) :) :cool:

Back on topic (so to speak):D: Of course they're going to do "Day of Sagittarius" since they have to explain the four laptops in episode 9/14. ;)

Then again they'll have to explain the bamboo plant and the sun disk thingy...

[Shirobane]

If that were the case, then they'd need another episode to explain the bamboo tree from the last episode. Which basically kills off any making-of "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken" episodes.

From what I hear, they're probably airing Day of Sagitarius for more Yuki love rather than explaining some of the treasures in ep 9.

Then again we won't know what's being aired the week after until next week :heh:

On second thought, I'd rather just enjoy what we're shown rather than guessing what they'll show next.:p

[panzerfan]

More on The Day of Sagittarius...
Personally, The chances of victory for the SOS-Brigade is far lower than the odds for the IJN to defeat the US fleets at Leyte Gulf. There is no such thing as ‘if’ in history, however even if the battle was to be repeated with equal combat strength and number, a defeat is still inevitable. It would be best to raise the white flag and surrender.

O Thank goodness for Zhuge Liang! This is as epical as Battle of Red Cliffs is...

[C.A.]

Well, I was wondering too whether they're going to air any 'making of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken'. Until I suddenly remembered that they're going to release a 40 minute 'Director's cut' version DVD, maybe they're going to place the making process in there.

And lol, seems like Itsuki's popularity is going to be further reduced, with Yuki and Mikuru stealing hearts from everyone. I'm not sure if Yuuutsu V can even be as good as this episode lol(edited)

[Onizuka-GTO]

lol. i think i just figured out why they like "canada" so much, it's because its the easiest foreign country to say!

Ka-Na-Da!!! LOLOL

oh, for all you people who can't wait for episode 11....it's a special. :D

*shameless Baka-Tsuki Project plugin*

:p

[Sushi-Y]

More on The Day of Sagittarius...

O Thank goodness for Zhuge Liang! This is as epical as Battle of Red Cliffs is...
Personally, I just want to see what <ハルヒ☆閣下☆艦隊> (<Haruhi☆Highness☆Fleet>) looks like. And how <キョン艦隊> (<Kyon Fleet>) gets pulverized. :heh:

[dkellis]

Is it just me, or does the animation in the Next Episode Preview look a little wonky? Yuki's eyes seem a mite too small...

Again, I'll be waiting for the subs before voting, but so far this is at least a 9.

[Shirobane]

hmmm some interesting similarities between episode 7 and this one:
episode 7
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episode 10
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Those pics above actually lends a lot of credibility to those who thought that the whole cave cricket incident was Yuki's doing because she felt "lonely" at the time. I'm also guessing that the desert is her dimension and in a way, speaks pretty loudly about her lone wolf personality. I wonder though because the similarities are alike, that maybe Yuki is a lesser version of Haruhi that can control her powers (not to take any credit away from her powers as witnessed by her confrontation with Asakura Ryoko)

[panzerfan]

In another word, the barren desert is indeed Yuki's reality marble.

[Shirobane]

Sounds about right lol
maybe a revival of Unlimited Bat Works :p

[velocity7]

I should mention that at this point in chronological order, we have episodes 5-6 and 11-12 currently not defined yet (by Haruhi).

Here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya) table:

Ep # Ep #
(airdate) (chronological) Title
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1 Unknown Asahina Mikuru's Adventure - Episode 00
2 1 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I
3 2 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi II
4 7 The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi
5 3 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi III
6 9 Remote Island Syndrome (Part I)
7 8 Mystérique Sign
8 10 Remote Island Syndrome (Part II)
9 14 Someday in the Rain
10 4 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV
11 13 Sagittarius Day

ordered by airdate. Now ordered in chronological:

Ep # Ep #
(airdate) (chronological) Title
============================================
1 Unknown Asahina Mikuru's Adventure - Episode 00
2 1 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I
3 2 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi II
5 3 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi III
10 4 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV
4 7 The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi
7 8 Mystérique Sign
6 9 Remote Island Syndrome (Part I)
8 10 Remote Island Syndrome (Part II)
11 13 Sagittarius Day
9 14 Someday in the Rain

At this point it's probably safe to assume "episode 5" is Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu V, covering the last chapters of volume 1. "Episode 6" should be the Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00, which wasn't defined before. After that, "episodes 11 and 12" have to happen in either volume 4 or anything before The Day of Sagittarius. Unless Endless Eight (Vol. 5) becomes a two-parter, Shoushitsu becomes a possibility for those two episodes...

Unfortunately for anyone wanting Snow Mountain Syndrome, it's going to have to wait until Kyoto Animation decides to continue the series.

Speaking of which, in my opinion Shoushitsu should be left for another series as well; maybe make the new season of Haruhi be "Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu". :)Please note that the old thread died so I'm just making a post here about it.

...

You people want to talk about Reality Marbles now? Assuming we follow Kinoko Nasu's technicalities here...


Episode notations here used are based on the airdate of the episode, not its chronological order.

I don't know if the explosion of data from three years ago involved some really giant closed space or not. If I consider it a Reality Marble, it is either rank A or EX. Probably EX since it screws over the world's current laws on things like time travel (hinted in ep 5).

Suzumiya Haruhi's closed spaces (volume 1 chapter 7, ep 14?) should be rank EX. Self-explanatory. If you don't understand, basically if Kyon did nothing the closed space would become the real world.

Nagato Yuki's should probably be rank B, since it's capable of wiping out other closed spaces (ep 10). Should be safe to assume it will have no problems eliminating closed spaces of rank less than B. Anything rank B will need some time to kill, and anything above will definitely kill Yuki instead.

Asakura Ryouko's should be rank B, since it can do lots of stuff plus screw over normal human beings (ep 10).

Closed spaces created due to people seeing Haruhi's SOS団 logo should be rank D, since the best they do is take over a person and keep them trapped (ep 7). However like Yuki said, if left unchecked this might grow (e.g., giant bug, will push to rank C), especially since the logo was worth 436 TB. Might go rank A on that note.

Closed spaces created due to Haruhi's frustration should be rank C (volume 1 chapter 6, ep 14?). If left unchecked this can go as bad as rank A, as Itsuki mentions the creature can go into real life and screw things up miserably.

For a better explanation of parameters I used here, please check the Fuyuki PBWiki (http://fuyuki.pbwiki.com/Parameters).

[Pakxenon]

Shoushitsu should be it's own season's main story. There is simply TOO MUCH material (7 chapters?) to be covered in 2 episodes.

If I recall right...
Haruhi goes to Ryouko's apartment with Kyon... It's empty so they leave... Haruhi leaves via railroad tracks... Kyon meets Itsuki... Itsuki defeats blue giant... Something something... Closed Space in school with Haruhi?

I don't think one episode can cover it. At least 2, 5-6.

Oh ya. The fight scene was more than what I imagined as I read it. I hope the next Melancholy episode can be more. ^^

[velocity7]

Pakxenon: What about Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00? That certainly can't be in episodes 11 and 12. It's gotta be 6.

[Shirobane]

Pakxenon: What about Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00? That certainly can't be in episodes 11 and 12. It's gotta be 6.
actually Asahina Mikuru no Bouken has a better chance at being ep 11/12 rather than 5/6 if you think about it. The student movie was filmed for the culture festival which if memory serves me right, happens in the fall. The yuutsu arc will end at around June-ish which leads directly into the boredom episode, which is chronologically right before school breaks for summer. That being said, I agree with Pakxenon 100% that there is no way in hell they can pack in the rest of the yuutsu arc into 1 episode without it being a complete mess. Given Kyoani's devotion to the novels, I believe that's the last thing they want to do. I do hope though, that they do not seperate the last 2 episodes of the Yuutsu arc.

EDIT: Remember that Asahina Mikuru no Bouken is un-numbered (or episode 00) according to Haruhi so it's possible that Kyoani could do 14 episodes + Asahina Mikuru no Bouken. But as I said before, I'd rather be watching ep 9 and 10 repeatedly than debate about episode order :D

[Kazu-kun]

I keep thinking the series will have 15 episodes: 5/6 to cover the rest of volume 1, and 11/12 for some chapters taken from volume 4 or 5

[velocity7]

actually Asahina Mikuru no Bouken has a better chance at being ep 11/12 rather than 5/6 if you think about it. The student movie was filmed for the culture festival which if memory serves me right, happens in the fall. The yuutsu arc will end at around June-ish which leads directly into the boredom episode, which is chronologically right before school breaks for summer. That being said, I agree with Pakxenon 100% that there is no way in hell they can pack in the rest of the yuutsu arc into 1 episode without it being a complete mess. Given Kyoani's devotion to the novels, I believe that's the last thing they want to do. I do hope though, that they do not seperate the last 2 episodes of the Yuutsu arc.

Using chronological notation as opposed to airdate here.

Maybe you're right. In Someday in the Rain Haruhi and Mikuru did talk a bit about the DVD for the movie. Based on that then, episodes 5 and 6 are likely to be Yuutsu V and VI, ending volume 1 effectively. Endless Eight will likely be episode 12.

But if you think about it, inspecting Ryouko's apartment, the closed-space incident with Itsuki, followed by the closed-space incident with Haruhi could just as easily fill one episode. You've seen what KyoAni does if they want to compress an episode; lots of dialogue pressed in. They even forego the opening animation just for that sort of thing.

[C.A.]

About the episodes:

I'm starting to think its like this:

Haruhi's(chronological) episode numbers = 0 - 13
Kyon's(airdate) episode numbers = 1 - 14

They both have 14 episodes. Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00 will stay as 0 for Haruhi and 1 for Kyon.

Also theres got to be Yuuutsu V and VI for the anime, Yuuutsu V will have Haruhi and Kyon moments at Ryoko's apartment before Itsuki shows us some action. the last chapter of novel 1, Yuuutsu VII should stand alone as Yuuutsu VI in the anime.

Also for the making of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00, I'm guessing it will be the other 20 minutes in the Director's cut DVD.


EDIT:Haruhi and Kyon in closed space incident will be the 'Final Episode' itself, because it makes a perfectly good ending episode and importantly the ending of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu.

[Nvis]

Ah... my Asakura will finaly get the screen-time she deserves ! :D

About time too, she is an awsome character..; this part of the story will be without a doubt, Great !
And judging by those pictures.., that is putting it in soft words :)


I, now have new profound respect for Asakura. :bow:

Shame it's a little too late though. :(

[Kazu-kun]

Asakura definitely deserves more screen-time.

Her highlight moment was also her last moment. It's a shame. :(

[velocity7]

About the episodes:

I'm starting to think its like this:

Haruhi's(chronological) episode numbers = 0 - 13
Kyon's(airdate) episode numbers = 1 - 14

They both have 14 episodes. Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00 will stay as 0 for Haruhi and 1 for Kyon.

Also theres got to be Yuuutsu V and VI for the anime, Yuuutsu V will have Haruhi and Kyon moments at Ryoko's apartment before Itsuki shows us some action. the last chapter of novel 1, Yuuutsu VII should stand alone as Yuuutsu VI in the anime.

Also for the making of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00, I'm guessing it will be the other 20 minutes in the Director's cut DVD.


EDIT:Haruhi and Kyon in closed space incident will be the 'Final Episode' itself, because it makes a perfectly good ending episode and importantly the ending of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu.

Haruhi already said episode 14 herself in the episode preview for Someday in the Rain.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Haruhi already said episode 14 herself in the episode preview for Someday in the Rain.
C.A. meant the final episode to be screened, not chronological order.

[Pakxenon]

Anyone get the feeling that Ryouko is big? Like, BIG? I think there were too many close-up shots, along with us getting used to the fact that Nagato's a little on the thin side. >_>

[panzerfan]

(now I wish for snow mountain to be shown... hohoho, although chances of that is slim)

Nagato is dimunitive. Haruhi remarks this famously before actually.

[Decagon]

Anyone get the feeling that Ryouko is big? Like, BIG? I think there were too many close-up shots, along with us getting used to the fact that Nagato's a little on the thin side. >_>

You could take it as how well Kyoani's doing the characters' proportions relative to each other. Is there like a Kyoani fanclub or cult somewhere I can join?

[Cyz]

Is it me or did Mikuru's hair color changes from orange to brown when she turn old?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Is it me or did Mikuru's hair color changes from orange to brown when she turn old?
That happens in real life too.

[Woland]

OMG! the rating for this episode is insane. :eyespin:

And I was waiting dor the sub this time...

[Pakxenon]

Concerning the "last" two episodes (again)...
Melancholy V: Ryouko's empty apartment, Itsuki and the blue giant.
Melancholy VI: HaruhiXKyon in closed space, epilogue.

Someday in the Rain was a standalone epilogue, ending the current arc and leading to the next arc (season). :)

[Aionshinn]

I usually don't vote on episode polls even if I think the episode deserves a 10 but this time its different. Heck! this episode is insanely good! I probably scratched my media player for rewinding the Asakura fight scene way too much.:heh: if there was a score above 10 I'd vote for it. I liked every second of this episode.

The time when Haruhi just stood up and said she was going home the moment Kyon was 'erasing' Mikuru's pics was scary. It looks as if Haruhi was about to attack Mikuru when she bumped on to her on the way out.

[martino]

Hmmm...can't wait to see this one!


Ermm...why does Mikuru turn old???

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Hmmm...can't wait to see this one!


Ermm...why does Mikuru turn old???

Mikuru's people can timetravel. Remember?

Think outside the box.

[Kamui4356]

I've been waiting for this episode ever since I read the relevant novel chapter translation. This is a big part of the reason I'm a Yuki fan now, instead of a Mikuru fan. Unfortunately, I'm staying at my brother's house for a week, so I won't be able to watch it until sunday at the earliest... He has a decent system, but it doesn't have speakers... I'm going to have a lot to download once I get back...

[t3ck]

Perfect 10!!!! Great animation, nice story, cool music what else can one ask for more? I would say the fight between Yuki and Asakura is enough to warrant a perfect 10 rating yet to add the adult version Mikuru is just icing on the cake, pure genius. Make it 10+++!!

[iamandragon]

Just watched the raw...
The battle scene is supposed to be brillant, and indeed it is...
Though...
When I was watching it a word just popped up and it's no longer brillant: "Gate of Babylon"
If you watched the recent Fate/Stay Night episodes you'll understand...
I mean...did both anime company co-operate or something? oh my...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Just watched the raw...
The battle scene is supposed to be brillant, and indeed it is...though...
When I was watching it a word just popped up and it's no longer brillant: "Gate of Babylon"
If you watched the recent Fate/Stay Night episodes you'll understand...
I mean...did both anime co-operate or something? oh my...
The spears are made from tables and chairs. Not old rusty swords.

I can't help but feel you are trying to insult someone...

"No longer brilliant"? How? Because another show had projectile attacks?

I suppose you believe FSN invented the "projectiles everywhere" attack. A silly, and bordering on rude, concept.

[iamandragon]

The episode is brillant, but I was so stunned that the word brillant disappeared from my mind and it went blank. That's what I meant.

Pardon my bad English if it aggresses you, but I have no means of insulting anyone or anything.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

The episode is brillant, but I was so stunned that the word brillant disappeared from my mind and it went blank.

Pardon my bad English if it aggresses you, but I have no means of insulting anyone or anything.
Sorry. That was rude of me too.

[iamandragon]

It's all right...as long as you're doing that under the name of Suzumiya Haruhi...that just shows how loyal you are to Haruhi.

[Futaba-chan]

There's no such thing as evil when it comes to The Integrated Data Entity. Asakura just opted for a different approach about Haruhi. Using Kyon is, in fact, a really good idea.
To The Integrated Data Entity human life means nothing.
Ryoko, and what happens to her, is one of the bits about the Haruhiverse that bugs me a little. If you subscribe to the theory that the Integrated Data Entity only exists because Haruhi retconned it into existence. Which would mean that Haruhi made Ryoko into the "evil" attacker... and therefore caused her death.

She has no clue that this happened, but still....

Hmm. Of course, it's also possible that Ryoko could un-retcon back into existence out of range of Haruhi, in that event. Hmm.

[iamandragon]

A bit wrong...the Integrated Data Entity have been existing all along. Haruhi is not required for them to exist. Haruhi is required for them to be interested and send Nagato and co. to earth.

P.S. Check this out--my first time editing images.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=581343&postcount=1824

[Onizuka-GTO]

P.S. Check this out--my first time editing images.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=581343&postcount=1824


erm....what did you edit? I don't see anything different, beside you cut and pasting two images side by side. :rolleyes:

oh wait, is that what your talking about? erm..yeah..thats....great..."editing"....

*sympathetically pat Dragon-chan on the head for a good cut & paste*

:p

[panzerfan]

Well Nagato actually confirmed that there is more than 1 agent of the data entity on earth (so she's not technically the 'sole' observer). Data entity exists outside of the bound of space-time, making this entity perhaps divine from the eyes of human being. Their thought can go from past to present and future simutaneously, however they could not further themselves since they cannot get through this knowing all stumbling block.

[tritoch]

I thought that they can't read the data before 3 years ago. So they exist now and in the future but their past is limited to that 3 years ago where Haruhi created them to be? When I mean 3 years, 3 years from how Yuki stated it.

[SlashZero]

You're mixing up Mikuru's story with Yuki's.

Yuki herself was created three years ago to observe Haruhi after the IDE noticed a explosion of new information coming from Haruhi, but they existed and had access to past more than 3 years ago; whereas Mikuru's future people found out they couldn't travel more than 3 years into the past (from Kyon's standpoint).

[CrowKenobi]

Well Nagato actually confirmed that there is more than 1 agent of the data entity on earth (so she's not technically the 'sole' observer). Data entity exists outside of the bound of space-time, making this entity perhaps divine from the eyes of human being. Their thought can go from past to present and future simutaneously, however they could not further themselves since they cannot get through this knowing all stumbling block.
So does that makes the Data Entity similiar to V'ger from Star Trek The Motion Picture? :D

[Vexx]

There are three factions, each of whom has a COMPLETELY different theory about the phenomenon that is Haruhi ... some of ya'll are mixing them together.

From the Data point of view, they've always been around and Haruhi is just a datafield anomoly.... from the timetravel view, she's a locking kink on spacetime that prevents them from going more than 3 years prior like they used to. .... from the esper point of view, its impossible to tell wtf is happening for all they know she created the universe and the false memories before it 3 years ago - all they can do is mitigate any reality shifts she might generate (let sleeping gods lie).

[RiXeD]

Little offtop:

You know.... 'I think that my romantic self is in desperate need of romantic HaruhixKyon fanfic... Or it`s gonna explode!

[iamandragon]

erm....what did you edit? I don't see anything different, beside you cut and pasting two images side by side. :rolleyes:

oh wait, is that what your talking about? erm..yeah..thats....great..."editing"....

*sympathetically pat Dragon-chan on the head for a good cut & paste*

:p

I added a few text, and sketch/skewed it so they're the same size...

There are three factions, each of whom has a COMPLETELY different theory about the phenomenon that is Haruhi ... some of ya'll are mixing them together.

From the Data point of view, they've always been around and Haruhi is just a datafield anomoly.... from the timetravel view, she's a locking kink on spacetime that prevents them from going more than 3 years prior like they used to. .... from the esper point of view, its impossible to tell wtf is happening for all they know she created the universe and the false memories before it 3 years ago - all they can do is mitigate any reality shifts she might generate (let sleeping gods lie).
But none of their theories clash, so they can all be right...or wrong.
Itsuki only said that the world might be created only 3 years ago. He's uncertain of it. Only thing certain is, Haruhi is god-like.

P.S. thanks for the pat...

[iamandragon]

Little offtop:

You know.... 'I think that my romantic self is in desperate need of romantic HaruhixKyon fanfic... Or it`s gonna explode!

Read vol.4 next month.

[RiXeD]

Read vol.4 next month.


Gah.... You`re making it`s combo gauge filled even more! [DNAngel manga, anyone? xD] It burns! IT BURNS!

BTT:

Do you think that Adventures of Asahina Mikuru may contain some hidden major spoilers about the whole story? Y` know, like non-normal members of the brigade trying to force Kyon to their side at decision what to do to Haruhi? [like Yuki`s window scene in Adventures]

[Vexx]

But none of their theories clash, so they can all be right...or wrong.
Itsuki only said that the world might be created only 3 years ago. He's uncertain of it. Only thing certain is, Haruhi is god-like.



Correct... all the theories may be all facets of the same "jewel" (re: The Many Faces of God by Campbell) or just reflections on the cave wall from the firelight.

I'm almost surprised one of my favorite Arthur C. Clarke proverbs isn't in the OP background text and equations drifting around (paraphrase):

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Just imagine someone awakened from only 200 years ago (hell, 100 years ago) and they'll awaken to a world of Pandemonium, full of demonic forces, witchcraft, people conversing with unseen voices, music from hell, :)
Actually... I could collar the average Joe Moron on the street today and most of the technologies around them are "magic".

[panzerfan]

(sorry, I am going to continue this discussion in ontology instead. We're getting off topic from ep.10)

[Kinny Riddle]

With 4 episodes to go, I think I'll make my guess on filling the gaps. There's still Koizumi's esper powers and the blue giant to be shown, so Melancholy will take another two episodes (Haruhi's episode 5 and 6)

Next episode, "The Day of Sagittarius", is designated by Haruhi as episode 13.
This leaves two more episodes 11 and 12.

As the school festival occurs just before "The Day of Sagittarius", I believe the first episode (Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00) is actually Haruhi's episode 12, as there's too much stuff in volume 2, which chronicles the making of the movie, to squeeze them into one or two episodes, so I reckon volume 2 will be reserved for the second series.

This leaves us with two events from the novels that occurs between "Lone Island Syndrome" (episode 9 and 10) and the school festival. It can either be "LIVE ALIVE" (volume 6) which takes place on the day of the school festival itself, or it can be "Endless Eight" (volume 5), which takes place a few weeks after "Lone Island Syndrome"


And here is my projection


01 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I
02 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi II
03 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi III
04 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV
05 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi V
06 The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi VI
07 The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi
08 Mysterique Sign
09 Lone Island Syndrome I
10 Lone Island Syndrome II
11 Endless Eight / LIVE ALIVE
12 Asahina Mikuru's Adventure Episode 00 / LIVE ALIVE
13 The Day of Sagittarius
14 Someday in the Rain

[Vexx]

Odds that they'll wait a season, build the hype, sell the merchandise - then announce a second season?

We're only a little better than half way through and I'm already going into melancholy.

[velocity7]

Look at Genshiken.

[Vexx]

Okay... I looked at Genshiken ... and??

I don't see any relationship or connection but apparently Media Factory is pulling some fanboy chains and causing confusion with that property. I'm not sure we can generalize from Media Factory's antics.

[PhantomX]

Guys, episode is out! Go get it ... only one seeder though, so you'll have to bear with it :P

[Vexx]

a.f.k. is *really* rolling them out like a factory... very impressive. I haven't seen this level of consistent release... well I'm not sure I've ever seen this reliable a release schedule.

[PhantomX]

Who's the person that continuously gives this show a one on the poll (he/she is all alone in that regard, lol)? It's obvious they don't even watch because even haters of the series can't NOT like this one -___-

[martino]

Yay! Finally! Now I have to stop dl Soul Link :D

[DrewGSR]

definately one of the better episodes so far

[C.A.]

a.f.k. is *really* rolling them out like a factory... very impressive. I haven't seen this level of consistent release... well I'm not sure I've ever seen this reliable a release schedule.
Its the power of Haruhi-sama and a.f.k. are definitely devoted Haruhists.

Also people who always vote 1 for the episodes are just trying to moderate the poll, Haruhi-sama influence pressurised them too much.

[M.D. Geist]

Wow just awesome ...

Am I right to assume that Kyon will check for Mikurus Mole the next time he sees her ? ^^

(In epi 12 at the earliest?

[PhantomX]

Wow just awesome ...

Am I right to assume that Kyon will check for Mikurus Mole the next time he sees her ? ^^

(In epi 12 at the earliest?

He won't 'check' persay ... but he'll let her know about it XD (he has more class than that)

[night train]

The fighting scene in this episode is just down right godly. Asakura's shield reminded me of the Lamabda driver's shield in FMP though.

[Vexx]

Who's the person that continuously gives this show a one on the poll (he/she is all alone in that regard, lol)? It's obvious they don't even watch because even haters of the series can't NOT like this one -___-

well for ep 10, it was someone nicked "Jenny" who has a total of six posts to her name and all of them in Bleach or the Mai-xxxx series.

So I think you can safely assume it is someone annoyed by the harsh light this series casts on lesser series :)

... or someone who doesn't understand the rating system.

[Nvis]

Just saw the episode (subbed). I didn't notice it before in the raws, but Canada gets an honourable mention(not once, but a few times) by Haruhi :).

Go Canada!

Too bad Ryoko didn't move to Canada :(

[martino]

Wow! This was the best episode ever imo!

Really loved the grown up Mikuru *falls in love*

[panzerfan]

The worst-case scenario that I can think of actually would be another shuffle (although very unlikely) which would stick Snow Mountain for example into one of the final eps. I doubt that though... they should save a few of the critical tales for perhaps another season. Bamboo leaf would be a huge spoiler to the series so that hopefully will be saved for later.

[Incoan]

Who's the person that continuously gives this show a one on the poll (he/she is all alone in that regard, lol)? It's obvious they don't even watch because even haters of the series can't NOT like this one -___-
Apart from the possible reasons pointed above , i would assume , that ... he did it to get noticed? If so , then I say it was a success. ;)

[martino]

You know what's funny...it kinda bugs me

When she says "Please don't get too close to me" and then she hugs Kyon...wtf?! I mean, who would be able to resist. I have a theory that she secretly loves Kyon...but then...oh crap! I'm all mixed up :D

[C.A.]

You know what's funny...it kinda bugs me

When she says "Please don't get too close to me" and then she hugs Kyon...wtf?! I mean, who would be able to resist. I have a theory that she secretly loves Kyon...but then...oh crap! I'm all mixed up :D

You'll see why at the end of the series, its for Kyon's sake, the sake of humanity, the sake of the world and the sake of the universe lol.

Mikuru is a tragic character, shes not allowed to fall in love, especially with Kyon.

[PhantomX]

I agree with you martino ... or at least upon reflection and when she matures she notices that she loves Kyon, but she also knows that they are doomed to be apart.

I mean, it kinda looks like she wants to kiss him but then changes her mind :\

[Julius Firefocht]

Man, I have nothing to say. No words can convey the greatness of this episode. My only regret is that I am unable to rate this episode 20 out of 10 in the poll.

That battle that Yuki fought in was simply fabulous. And yes, adult Mikuru nearly gave me a heart attack. She is just so beautiful!

KyoAni has entered into the ranks of truly great studios with this one!

[martino]

Mikuru is a tragic character, shes not allowed to fall in love, especially with Kyon.

or at least upon reflection and when she matures she notices that she loves Kyon, but she also knows that they are doomed to be apart.
These words are painful :( *cries*

[C.A.]

Yes this show may look extremely positive and genki, but underneath we have tragic and sad stories.

Haruhi, Kyon and Mikuru deserves our pity.

[tritoch]

WAIT! before any of you say that Mikuru is a tragic character?

Did Kyon's interference with Mikuru's pictures changed future events that lead to that adult Mikuru scene? I was thinking Kyon noticed the star shape mole while looking at the Mikuru pictures he saved, and in retrospect, what would be the effect if Haruhi posted those pics on the net? :heh:

I just saw the subs by the way and I have no manga resource. :)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Yes this show may look extremely positive and genki, but underneath we have tragic and sad stories.

Haruhi, Kyon and Mikuru deserves our pity.
Bah!
While everyone feels sorry for the screen-hogs,(I mean it in the most polite sense) Yuki quietly saves the universe over and over again... Yet Kyon, the only person she seemed to connect to at a personal level, still doesn't pay as much attention to her as she deserves.

Damn it, Kyon! I demand you to take her to Sci-Fi novel conventions as your date! You owe your life to her!:upset:

[Suiseiseki]

You'll see why at the end of the series, its for Kyon's sake, the sake of humanity, the sake of the world and the sake of the universe lol.

Mikuru is a tragic character, shes not allowed to fall in love, especially with Kyon.

If Kyon and Mikuru aren't able to hook up because of Haruri, then I really hate Haruri now. I was starting to like Haruri, too.

[Julius Firefocht]

If Kyon and Mikuru aren't able to hook up because of Haruri, then I really hate Haruri now. I was starting to like Haruri, too.

Two things.

First of all, it's Haruhi, not Haruri. Suzumiya Haruhi.

Secondly, you must end all your sentences with "desu".

That is all.

[panzerfan]

Everyone in the SOS Brigade has their own untold burden on their back (Kyon has it better in some ways by being able to express this through his words although he has no one to share his frustrations with...) The fun and game become a must in order to cope with all that. The melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi is shared by all parties involved, although each with a variation. Koizumi's own internal feelings will come forth, if only a little in the Day of Sagittarius to round out the roll and Haruhi's by the end of Yuutsu.

I feel most terrible for Kyon. He sees all of this, unable to actually vent out all that frustration to a living person, having no backdrop of 'great' power to sustain him really, having to keep secrets as well because he has become a fulcrum. His greatest power, the power of his perspective and his narriation impacts only us and not so much his surrounding.

Nagato's lonliness and boredom in observing events and retaining memory of it all (for her literally an epoch worth of observation) goes untold... and incomprehensible to others.

Koizumi has alot to hide under that smile of his. The fact that he had to be one of the espers that out of the blue, had to think of what is reality and moreover, what to believe in...

Haruhi's... that will come soon.

All of this forces the parties to conclude that the only reality worth believing is that they are members of the SOS Brigade and the interest of the Brigade ultimately is the metric to all events that are tossed at them.,

[C.A.]

Bah!
While everyone feels sorry for the screen-hogs,(I mean it in the most polite sense) Yuki quietly saves the universe over and over again... Yet Kyon, the only person she seemed to connect to at a personal level, still doesn't pay as much attention to her as she deserves.

Damn it, Kyon! I demand you to take her to Sci-Fi novel conventions as your date! You owe your life to her!:upset:

lol yes Yuki is tragic because shes lonely

Even Itsuki is tragic lol, he's been giving weird impressions to everyone lol

About the whole adult Mikuru/Kyon and pics deal, you'll learn that its a time paradox, double time paradox even.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

If Kyon and Mikuru aren't able to hook up because of Haruri, then I really hate Haruri now. I was starting to like Haruri, too.
Actually, the main reason why they can't hook up is because Adult Mikuru didn't hook up with Kyon. It's inferred that she hadn't seen him for a long while, likely because she returned to her own space-time.

Since the Adult Mikuru that visited Kyon and offered a vital clue to him didn't hook up with Kyon, if Kyon hooked up with teenage Mikuru a time paradox will occur.

About the whole adult Mikuru/Kyon and pics deal, you'll learn that its a time paradox, double time paradox even.
That business with the mole on her breast isn't that bad a paradox, since it's self-contained. But for Mikuru to date Kyon when the adult Mikuru didn't, would likely cause the universe to implode.

Thus, it's not that Haruhi prevented the relationship, but that time-travelling demands certain rules be followed. The teenage Mikuru has no idea that Adult Mikuru had visited, likely for the same reason.

[C.A.]

Yes even though Mikuru looks so helpless, she deeply affects the core of the plot.

Also, we can't hate Haruhi lol

This story is so good because the web which the characters' relations has created is so intricated and complex, once you fall in, you can't get out of it. You won't want to get out lol

[panzerfan]

Even Mikuru (jr) recognizes that she cannot be close to Kyon...

Imagine Kyon's situation if we, as observers already feel this way. He as the trigger and the key is both powerless and the most critical element as the same time.

[C.A.]

Hey the discussion was on a roll lol, lets not stop, I love it when discussions run so fast.

Would anyone agree that one of the main parts of Yuuutsu would be Haruhi/Kyon/Mikuru's love triangle? It can be considered a love triangle now right?

[panzerfan]

For Yuutsu maybe. Although... the end of Yuutsu is um... 'snow white'.

[PhantomX]

Well, that's more forced-loveish than free will XD

[Suiseiseki]

Two things.

First of all, it's Haruhi, not Haruri. Suzumiya Haruhi.

Secondly, you must end all your sentences with "desu".

That is all.

It was a monster that changed the spelling, desu.


Actually, the main reason why they can't hook up is because Adult Mikuru didn't hook up with Kyon. It's inferred that she hadn't seen him for a long while, likely because she returned to her own space-time.

Since the Adult Mikuru that visited Kyon and offered a vital clue to him didn't hook up with Kyon, if Kyon hooked up with teenage Mikuru a time paradox will occur.


That business with the mole on her breast isn't that bad a paradox, since it's self-contained. But for Mikuru to date Kyon when the adult Mikuru didn't, would likely cause the universe to implode.

Thus, it's not that Haruhi prevented the relationship, but that time-travelling demands certain rules be followed. The teenage Mikuru has no idea that Adult Mikuru had visited, likely for the same reason.

Likes Haruhi again. Wants to murder whoever made the rules for time travel.

[C.A.]

Well, that's more forced-loveish than free will XD

Hmmm I argued in another forum on whos forcing who:

Don't read if you've haven't read chapter 7 of novel 1. Yes don't, Haruhi-sama will punish you with a death penalty of getting trampled by 11 girls and a cat.
I repeat, don't read if you haven't read chapter 7 of novel 1.
In the name of Haruhi-sama, I repeat myself one last time: Don't read if you haven't read chapter 7 of novel 1.
Did Kyon really wanted to kiss Haruhi? Did he force his kiss on her only because he wants to escape? Did Haruhi wished for a kiss? Did Haruhi wanted a kiss from Kyon so she brought Kyon and herself into the dream to get a kiss? Does this mean Haruhi forced Kyon to kiss her?

[PhantomX]

I'm sure with Nagato's or the Integrated Data Entity's help they could break those rules, after all she did say it was fairly easy :X

EDIT: @ C.A. It's my impression that Kyon might like Haruhi here and there (if you're reading Day of Sagittarius and you've seen Lone Island, you know that he trusts her immensely and has faith that, even though she's somewhat psychotic, she doesn't really wish ill to others), but was ultimately forced to kiss her, in order to give her something to look forward to in the current planet

[panzerfan]

It's the true definition of brinksmanship! Incredable to think of it really.

[martino]

I would like to kill the person that made rules for time travel as well. Count me as a member in your team!

[C.A.]

EDIT: @ C.A. It's my impression that Kyon might like Haruhi here and there (if you're reading Day of Sagittarius and you've seen Lone Island, you know that he trusts her immensely and has faith that, even though she's somewhat psychotic, she doesn't really wish ill to others), but was ultimately forced to kiss her, in order to give her something to look forward to in the current planet
Yea its obvious that Kyon has something for for Haruhi. But who really forced the kiss?

Was Kyon the one who forced a kiss on his own decision?

Or Haruhi who force Kyon into such an act?

If they're both forcing each other, forces cancel out, does that mean they wanted a kiss? lol just saying something random

[Kaioshin Sama]

Actually, the main reason why they can't hook up is because Adult Mikuru didn't hook up with Kyon. It's inferred that she hadn't seen him for a long while, likely because she returned to her own space-time.

Since the Adult Mikuru that visited Kyon and offered a vital clue to him didn't hook up with Kyon, if Kyon hooked up with teenage Mikuru a time paradox will occur.


That business with the mole on her breast isn't that bad a paradox, since it's self-contained. But for Mikuru to date Kyon when the adult Mikuru didn't, would likely cause the universe to implode.

Thus, it's not that Haruhi prevented the relationship, but that time-travelling demands certain rules be followed. The teenage Mikuru has no idea that Adult Mikuru had visited, likely for the same reason.

I like how you're one of the few people that actually thinks his posts and theories through instead of going with the whole Haruhi (A Wizard) did it thing everytime like pretty much everyone else.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Its the power of Haruhi-sama and a.f.k. are definitely devoted Haruhists.

Also people who always vote 1 for the episodes are just trying to moderate the poll, Haruhi-sama influence pressurised them too much.


What about the many people that vote 10 for an episode before it even airs. I swear some people need to learn exactly how a rating/ratio system works. Me personally if I were voting I would have given at the most one rating of 8.5 (Exceptional) and one rating of 8( Well above average) for episodes 9 and 8 respectively. Episode 1 would have gotten a 4 (Mediocore) and the rest would be in the 6-7 (Average to above average) range. I know if I had voted the other people on the forum would have lynched me so I decided to stay out. I doubt the episode deserved a 1 but I also doubt that every episode in the series deserves a perfect 10 either, in fact nothing really deserves a 10, I had this professor who said that if Ernest Hemmingway himself presented him with an essay for grading, he would not give Hemmingway's best a perfect, because nothing is that good, its a percentage of how close to perfect one can be. Anyway I'm not that harsh, but I'm also not overly generous. The amount of perfects this show gets is ridiculous to the point of the ratings meaning as much as the average review from gamefaqs. There's my two cents.

[panzerfan]

(Anyone that would even dare think Haruhi does it all need to give snow mountain a read... as harsh as it is to say that)

[Kaioshin Sama]

(Anyone that would even dare think Haruhi does it all need to give snow mountain a read... as harsh as it is to say that)


OH... I know all about that one. I'm just waiting for people to read it so I can bust out the line I've been holding for about a month now.

[PhantomX]

What about the many people that vote 10 for an episode before it even airs. I swear some people need to learn exactly how a rating/ratio system works. Me personally if I were voting I would have given at the most one rating of 8.5 (Exceptional) and one rating of 8( Well above average) for episodes 9 and 8 respectively. Episode 1 would have gotten a 4 (Mediocore) and the rest would be in the 6-7 (Average to above average) range. I know if I had voted the other people on the forum would have lynched me so I decided to stay out. I doubt the episode deserved a 1 but I also doubt that every episode in the series deserves a perfect 10 either, in fact nothing really deserves a 10, I had this professor who said that if Ernest Hemmingway himself presented him with an essay for grading, he would not give Hemmingway's best a perfect, because nothing is that good, its a percentage of how close to perfect one can be. Anyway I'm not that harsh, but I'm also not overly generous. The amount of perfects this show gets is ridiculous to the point of the ratings meaning as much as the average review from gamefaqs. There's my two cents.

I tend to grade most of these very fairly, this is the first episode (or second) to receive a 10 from me for this series. However, I have found most of the episodes of this show to be above average both in animation and detail, which, imo, makes up for most of it's story telling flaws. The only episode to receive below a 7 from me was the last one ... I guess if all you care about is character and plot development, there are many episodes you would rank poorly ...

[Soujiro10]

What about the many people that vote 10 for an episode before it even airs. I swear some people need to learn exactly how a rating/ratio system works. Me personally if I were voting I would have given at the most one rating of 8.5 (Exceptional) and one rating of 8( Well above average) for episodes 9 and 8 respectively. Episode 1 would have gotten a 4 (Mediocore) and the rest would be in the 6-7 (Average to above average) range. I know if I had voted the other people on the forum would have lynched me so I decided to stay out. I doubt the episode deserved a 1 but I also doubt that every episode in the series deserves a perfect 10 either, in fact nothing really deserves a 10, I had this professor who said that if Ernest Hemmingway himself presented him with an essay for grading, he would not give Hemmingway's best a perfect, because nothing is that good, its a percentage of how close to perfect one can be. Anyway I'm not that harsh, but I'm also not overly generous. The amount of perfects this show gets is ridiculous to the point of the ratings meaning as much as the average review from gamefaqs. There's my two cents.

Personally for me, if an anime interests me enough to actually get me to vote and check the forums then I end up using the rating system on a "relative" basis. Basically I would take whatever episode(s) that drew me into the anime in the first place and give those a 10. All the other episodes I would rate in relation to the "perfect" episodes, so in my case I would give the first 2 episodes and this episode 10s since to me they served as "perfect" Suzumiya Haruhi eps. Then episodes like the Remote Island syndrome ones and ep 9 (which honestly just bored me for the most part) would be dangling somewhere around a 6. So by my thinking a 10 is actually possible since im not comparing the eps to the quality of all anime that ever existed. I do agree with you though that its rediculous to see people giving each and every episode a 10 since it kinda cheapens its use, but to each their own i guess

[C.A.]

What about the many people that vote 10 for an episode before it even airs. I swear some people need to learn exactly how a rating/ratio system works. Me personally if I were voting I would have given at the most one rating of 8.5 (Exceptional) and one rating of 8( Well above average) for episodes 9 and 8 respectively. Episode 1 would have gotten a 4 (Mediocore) and the rest would be in the 6-7 (Average to above average) range. I know if I had voted the other people on the forum would have lynched me so I decided to stay out. I doubt the episode deserved a 1 but I also doubt that every episode in the series deserves a perfect 10 either, in fact nothing really deserves a 10, I had this professor who said that if Ernest Hemmingway himself presented him with an essay for grading, he would not give Hemmingway's best a perfect, because nothing is that good, its a percentage of how close to perfect one can be. Anyway I'm not that harsh, but I'm also not overly generous. The amount of perfects this show gets is ridiculous to the point of the ratings meaning as much as the average review from gamefaqs. There's my two cents.

Hey lol, you don't need to be a professor or a professor to tell you that nothing should be perfect and that rating systems are often unreliable.

When something is to be rated, you have to compare the object to be rated to something else. Depending on what you're comparing the rating's can vary alot.

Or more commonly, ratings are given depending on just how much you like the object.

Theres no such thing as perfection, yet it exists. As long as you like something, it becomes perfect. The ratings given for this show just shows us how much we liked it. When you like something alot, you don't have anything else in your mind. In that case theres no comparison, you'll just rate it according to how much you like it.

Attraction doesn't come with any mathematical formulae or a magnitude. Theres no way of knowing how much you like something by numbers. As long as this show is someone's favourite, it becomes the best in his eyes and it becomes a 10.

If this isn't a favourite, you'll compare it to your favourite and rate it according to how much you think this show is lacking. This also works inside the object to be rated. We may be comparing the favourite episode itself. And once an episode is given a 10, it means any future episodes that are better will instantly be 10s as well.

[Soujiro10]

Oh yeh, forgot to say......

All hail Yuki!! For she kicketh much ass!
:bow: :bow: :bow:

[DragoonKain3]

Hurrah! I <3 Asakura Ryoko. Gotta love those girls that nice and sweet on the outside, but cold and calculating on the inside. And for some reason, I was actually hoping she did stab Kyon... XD

Such a shame she won't appear again. Now we know why she's absent in most of the episodes, hehehehe. Still, the battle was awesome.


Other things...
- The 'it's such a waste to delete them all' remark in regards to Mikuru's pics was downright hilarious! Props to Kyon's VA for the entire scene.
- Roundhouse kick, Nagato-style! While the battle scenes were good, THAT was absolutely amazing.
- Kyon's friends's 'Enjoy yourselves' over the top remark was amusing.
- Adult Mikuru's saying 'Please forget what I said' right after showing that much cleavage? As if any straight male would... XD
- Interesting remark Adult Mikuru said when she mentions she won't fit in the costumes anymore. This means the current Mikuru is still growing, which in turn means, what kind of @!$@#% up government/agency sends youngsters back in time? And how old was Mikuru when she first travelled? Jeezus, I wouldn't want to live in THAT future.
- From the scene, Mikuru does seem to indeed love Kyon, or grows to love him. Makes me really want to see a drama-heavy end, with Haruhi/Kyon/Mikuru love triangle at its centre. Love for the woman of your dreams, or the fate of the entire universe? For some reason, KyoAni has made Neo's choice in Matrix 2 seem to pale in comparison to Kyons, and I love it!
- Chalk another one for KyoAni animation. The way Mikuru pushed Kyon away from the hug looked so fluid
- Anyone fluent in Japanese care to re-translate the childhood friends remark of Kyon at around 21:30? A.F.K. really botched up on that one; I can't make heads or tails what Kyon was actually trying to say. XD



As for Mikuru/Kyon being the paradoxes of paradoxes, didn't Mikuru say in Yuutsu 3 that she can't specify from which exact time plane she came from? While both the young and adult Mikuru looks the same, for all we know they might be of different time planes. Thus, we can't rule out Mikuru/Kyon out yet...

Or that might just be me being optimistic for that couple. What can I say, I love the idea of Kyon/Mikuru as much as Kyon/Haruhi, which is mighty rare for any book/tv show/movie I see.^^;

[Akuma-sama]

Just seen the episode, just picked up my jaw from the ground...

WOW. Best episode of Haruhi, hands down. Possibly even best episode of 2006. The fight scene ALONE deserves a handful of internets, and when combined to Adult!Mikuru and Kyon... um... being himself, well...
This episode is made of gold and win.
...although I'm hoping episode 14 (which would, logically, be the

closed space episode

), will be even better. It'll be hard though! :D

As for the current discussion, Mikuru obviously fell/will fall in love with Kyon at some point, but Haruhi ALREADY likes him-- or will. At least, I can think of one scene where Haruhi could easily have realized she's fallen for him.
I've seen jealous girls before, and it's not pretty. Can you think of what a girl with subconscious god-powers would do to her competition?
Pet theory, or rather, logical extension of the aforementionned conclusions, Mikuru will eventually have to leave because she's driving a wedge between Kyon and Haruhi, and it's endangering Mikuru's health, if not life.

Alternatively, Mikuru's secret is revealed a while later, Haruhi immediately glomps on her and they go off on a Yuri-happy relationship, while Kyon despairs and eventually kills himself. That WOULD explain why Mikuru told him not to fall for her! :heh:

[lana3007]

Agree with everyone above about the greatness of this episode. a.f.k. are my heroes!

Random note: seems like Kyon and Haruhi are now getting along in the previous. It kind of seems like they (the preview's Kyon and Haruhi) seem to have gotten used to the fact that they will agree to disagree. Kind of reminds me of the way their relationship is developing in general.

Another random note: Mikuru's phrase about how she found out about the birthmark doesn't sound nearly as suggestive in the anime as it seemed in the version of the novel translation I read. Still not sure if that's a good thing or not. I was a little worried there for a moment of exactly how far Kyon was going to go with Asahina oggling until I found out the answer.

Concerning Asahina oggling: damn man, hiding provocative pictures of her on the computer is very very wrong! On so many levels!

[Deathkillz]

just saw the subs verson and it raises a few questions about the future yet to come...wht happens???
from adult mikuru it seems that something has happened in the future that has probably killed off most of the chara (or so to speak)...snow white? wht is that about? and its also wierd how adult mikuru seems to see the club room as something that she hasent seen for a long time...her cosplay outfit etc...

with that sed i still believe that this eps deserves more than 10...maybe the scale can be increased to 100? :heh: the fight scene never gets old how many time you see it :p

[arias]

A subtle observation -- Koizumi comes in at the end of the day saying that he has to go to do "work". Now.. spoiler for those who've read the first novel:

I think this "work" of course means that he has to go slay a blue giant, which, of course, has been caused by Haruhi's jealousy of Mikuru because of the pictures affair :D

That's a nice logical stringing, IMO. However, it might not fit with the fact that Ryouko still attempts to stab our little Kyon bear.

Another random note: Mikuru's phrase about how she found out about the birthmark doesn't sound nearly as suggestive in the anime as it seemed in the version of the novel translation I read. Still not sure if that's a good thing or not. I was a little worried there for a moment of exactly how far Kyon was going to go with Asahina oggling until I found out the answer.

I think while the anime preserved most of the novel very well in general, they did do some little tweaks and this was one of them. Or perhaps the novel translation missed that bit of subtlety, as well? For example, some of the future chapters translated has Kyon referring to Haruhi as "bitch" while I personally would have gone with "damned woman" (e.g. "Haruhi, that damned woman!!")... So we don't really know, I guess.

[PhantomX]

The Snow White reference is actually much simpler than you think ...

[LCeh]

Can someone explain to me why Haruhi asked Kyon "What's that?" at the 15:40 mark? Kyon answered "Nothing." What was Haruhi referring to?

[C.A.]

Can someone explain to me why Haruhi asked Kyon "What's that?" at the 15:40 mark? Kyon answered "Nothing." What was Haruhi referring to?
You know that we don't know all the time whether Kyon is actually speaking or thinking in his mind. And sometimes he actually blurts out something in his mind, accidentally or purposely.

Kyon was talking to himself about Haruhi and Haruhi heard him say something.

So,

Kyon: "*mumbling*"

Haruhi: "What's that?"

Kyon: "Nothing."

[LCeh]

*smacks forehead*

Right, that makes sense. Can't believe I missed that. :heh:

[Trax]

Amazing, it finally happened. From depressed Haruhi to some amazing action of Asakura vs Nagato, followed by a stunning slightly older Asahina :love: to the revived Haruhi dragging along Kyon, this episode actually wowed me.

I tend to grade conservatively so that the occasional 9 or 10 actually means something, and this episode made enough of an impression to reward it with a 10. Guess the people that want to grade this higher than usual feel a little silly now for giving out 10's too easily eh? :rolleyes:

As for some of the discussion going on... I don't think anything will happen between Kyon and Asahina either. She even told him not to get too close to her, although from her look before her hug it seems she would have liked to. About the Snow White reference, when watching the episode I didn't have a clue yet what it could mean. But after seeing it mentioned again here I think I have an idea what will happen.

[CrowKenobi]

Just watched the sub, and it's a 10 from me! :D
84% of the people who voted voted 10! WOW!!!

As for the current discussion, Mikuru obviously fell/will fall in love with Kyon at some point, but Haruhi ALREADY likes him-- or will. At least, I can think of one scene where Haruhi could easily have realized she's fallen for him. I've seen jealous girls before, and it's not pretty. Can you think of what a girl with subconscious god-powers would do to her competition? Try watching the first season of Ah! My Goddess! and see what Bell does when Sayoko tries to make a move on Keiichi! :heh:

[C.A.]

Not sure why but 85 out of 100 votes and 85% made me save a screen shot for my Haruhiism folder lol.

Its really hard to think how kyoani is going to do to produce a better episode than this. The only thing I can do now is give more 10s for better future episodes.

[Akuryou]

Yuki, the most moe character ever has revealed herself.

7/10 for Yuki, and Yuki. I would give a 10/10 just for her, but I had to split between the awesomeness of the episode.

2/10 for Older Mikuru's Sexy Appael. Ohhh, bouncy boobs. Bouncy.

1/10 for best animation quality ever.

7 + 2 + 1, you know it.

[Xebek]

Ok, now im making this guess based on the anime not novels but ... ... remember Itsuki asked Kyon what he had to do to get out of the situation with Haruhi in closed space. Kyon siad he didn't want to talk about it. Now I'm not putting this in spoilers cause Its not confirmed its speculation but it means Kyon will have to kiss Haruhi, like in snow white how the prince had to kiss the princess. This explains his relcutance to tell Itsuki about it becuase he is a little bit embarresed about it being as how he is a tad bit embarrsed about having to do that.
/mod edit: add spoiler tags just in case.

[DannyCat]

- Anyone fluent in Japanese care to re-translate the childhood friends remark of Kyon at around 21:30? A.F.K. really botched up on that one; I can't make heads or tails what Kyon was actually trying to say. XD
Expect -> Except

[C.A.]

Ok, now im making this guess based on the anime not novels but remember Itsuki asked Kyon what he had to do to get out of the situation with Haruhi in closed space. Kyon siad he didn't want to talk about it. Now I'm not putting this in spoilers cause Its not confirmed its speculation but it means Kyon will have to kiss Haruhi, like in snow white how the prince had to kiss the princess. This explains his relcutance to tell Itsuki about it becuase he is a little bit embarresed about it being as how he is a tad bit embarrsed about having to do that.

Nice guess lol, but you should put it in a spoiler box like how I quoted you :heh:

[Matt Soulblade]

I give this episode... like... a 11.
The animation was reaaaaally outstanding

[Thelastguardian]

I just watch the Eng-sub of episode 10 out of boredom.

Because this is the second time I watch this episode, I noticed many things :) .

(1st time I watched episode 10 I was concentrating on listening to the japanese dialogues and didn't pay attention to the screen)


1.
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/1a.jpg

There are 5 icons on the left top of the screen...

http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/1b.jpg

Or are there four?

2.
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/2.jpg

The MOLE! *die*

3.
Look at the screen cables
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/3a.jpg

http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/3b.jpg
(Please don't hold your LCD monitor like that- your local computer club president kills a kitten whenever you hold your LCD monitor like that. Please, think of the kitten)
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/3c.jpg
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/3d.jpg

The cables cut thru Haruhi's body?!

5.
http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/4a.jpg http://baka-tsuki.net/Screenshots/10/4b.jpg
hmmmm

And I stopped watching the sub after the battle scene ^_^;;

[lavarock]

Great episode, best episode of the season.

[Xebek]

Nice guess lol, but you should put it in a spoiler box like how I quoted you :heh:

I didn't put it in a spoiler box because I havn't read the novels and its not a spoiler its a speculation.

[Catgirls]

I didn't put it in a spoiler box because I havn't read the novels and its not a spoiler its a speculation.It's always a good idea to put any kind of speculation, based on actual knowledge or not, in Spoiler tags. Just saves a bunch of teeth gnashing, panty twisting and burping. We do have this cute little speculation thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31035) if you want to post any more.

Cheers. :)

[Knight Hawk]

Omg liuic Edit you're post. This is Episode 10 discussion. Arrgg~ :frustrated:

Eh to keep it on topic, Great ep! gave it a solid 10 (^Д^)ノ Cheers.

[Wandering_Youth]

Well this episode was certainly impressive because it was so damn shocking.
These screenshots pretty much summarizes my reaction when I first saw the episode.


http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/935/eep0uj.jpg

Eeeeeeeep!



http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2585/cow1vx.jpg

NO FREAKING WAY!



http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8339/huge3ty.jpg

Those things are ridiculously huge! :twitch:

[K. Yamato]

Alot of people want a desktop like the one shown here

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Suzumiya%20Haruhi/Suzumiya%20Haruhi%20-%2010%20-%20Large%2011.jpg

I have to say before I continue this was the best episode yet especially to see the full true beauty of Mikuru. Major props to Kyoto for the idea with the weapons that were actually desks. And especially when she rebuilt the entire room back to normal but forgot to remake her glasses ;). Anyway the picture shown up there is what quite alot of people want to see on their desktop. If anyone can get me a res of that shot from 1024x768+ I would be glad in vectoring the entire screenshot for all of you to enjoy. Though it would take backbreaking efforts and I might do mistakes but if you want me to do it PM me with the screenshot and I will do it ASAP, I want to have you guy's happy to see something that sweet turned into a vector.

-Jason-

[C.A.]

lol people should stop thinking about snow white. It will totally spoil your show.

[Ddadain]

This episode was absoultely fantastic. I could say it's the best one since the "baseball " but the plot goes that they want to confuse us as to whom will Kyon go for in the end, which I know would be __________________. But it's still so damn frustrating XD

[Shirobane]

Alot of people want a desktop like the one shown here

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Suzumiya%20Haruhi/Suzumiya%20Haruhi%20-%2010%20-%20Large%2011.jpg

I have to say before I continue this was the best episode yet especially to see the full true beauty of Mikuru. Major props to Kyoto for the idea with the weapons that were actually desks. And especially when she rebuilt the entire room back to normal but forgot to remake her glasses ;). Anyway the picture shown up there is what quite alot of people want to see on their desktop. If anyone can get me a res of that shot from 1024x768+ I would be glad in vectoring the entire screenshot for all of you to enjoy. Though it would take backbreaking efforts and I might do mistakes but if you want me to do it PM me with the screenshot and I will do it ASAP, I want to have you guy's happy to see something that sweet turned into a vector.

-Jason-
How about this?
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7218/vlcsnap1663416rh.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1663416rh.png)
Who would have thought that a pic that I randomly snapped to show a friend how stupidly High-res video files have gotten would be useful for something else? :heh:

It's not exactly the same frame as you took K.Yamato so if it doesn't suit your needs, PM me with the exact time and frame and I'll see if I can get it ;)

[Onizuka-GTO]

/manga spoiler removed.

woahh! your in the wrong thread, this is about episode 10, not episode 15. :rolleyes:

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Ok, now im making this guess based on the anime not novels but ... ... remember Itsuki asked Kyon what he had to do to get out of the situation with Haruhi in closed space. Kyon siad he didn't want to talk about it. Now I'm not putting this in spoilers cause Its not confirmed its speculation but it means Kyon will have to kiss Haruhi, like in snow white how the prince had to kiss the princess. This explains his relcutance to tell Itsuki about it becuase he is a little bit embarresed about it being as how he is a tad bit embarrsed about having to do that.
/mod edit: add spoiler tags just in case.

Impossible, Yuki was wearing glasses. If that event was suppose to happen after this event Yuki would still have her glasses.

[K. Yamato]

How about this?
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7218/vlcsnap1663416rh.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1663416rh.png)
Who would have thought that a pic that I randomly snapped to show a friend how stupidly High-res video files have gotten would be useful for something else? :heh:

It's not exactly the same frame as you took K.Yamato so if it doesn't suit your needs, PM me with the exact time and frame and I'll see if I can get it ;)

Ill see how it goes...right now Im working on this
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3864/desktopview0fx.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopview0fx.jpg)
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9426/desktopview7kd.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopview7kd.jpg)

So after that then I will work on the whole screenshot. It might take about half the month to do it.

~Jason~

[C.A.]

I have to say before I continue this was the best episode yet especially to see the full true beauty of Mikuru. Major props to Kyoto for the idea with the weapons that were actually desks. And especially when she rebuilt the entire room back to normal but forgot to remake her glasses ;).
-Jason-

No lol, that entire battle scene, the entire episode is created *Exactly* like how the novel described. It was entirely Tanigawa Nagaru's creation, every single graphic and detail of the battle was described by his words. Yes even the background.

[Moogster]

Just wanna ask, is the author in collaboration with KyoAni in this?

[Pakxenon]

Yes: Read the credits from episode 9. You should see a name in green.

[iamandragon]

Finally got to watch the subs! Yay!

Anyways...isn't Kyon a bit too strong for a normal school boy to be able to throw a whole chunk of wood at such high velocity?

I recognize 80% of the battle scenes copied from FMP...or at least very similar to it...

I have to say it again. Gate of Asakura

[Xinil]

First let me say that I'm not a Asahina Mikuru fan. Second, let me say that I am now a Asahina Mikuru fan. Holy CRAP she's hot older. While it doesn't look like she got much brighter, I think she may be using a few more brain cells.

Thirdly, I am also now a Nagato fan. She was freakin' awesome defending Kyon in the classroom against Ryoko. And I totally agree with Kyon, she looks much cuter without the classes.

Ahhh, amazing episode 10/10. First time I've given that out for this series too (other episodes came close though).

[DannyCat]

Impossible, Yuki was wearing glasses. If that event was suppose to happen after this event Yuki would still have her glasses.
Those were two different "prior" events referred to in that episode.

1) The Haruhi and Kyon scene; mentioned when Itsuki was talking to Kyon. No flashback here. Hasn't been shown in an episode yet.

2) The Yuki and Kyon scene; shown in flashback form as Mikuru's talking about Yuki using an incantation on the bat. That scene was the one shown in episode 10 (with exactly the same background at that point, too), and Yuki is still wearing glasses at that point.

[Shirobane]

Now that I've seen the subs, I have to re-iterate...
Damned good episode.
Beyond the excellently choreographed and animated battle scene, I'm most impressed by the accuracy of Kyoani's adaptation. Everything was spot on that it felt as if the novel had come alive. To even achieve this kind of accuracy, there must have been either an ironfist dictatorship from Tanigawa Nagaru or a great deal of respect between the Kyoani and Tanigawa-san.

Side note:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6461/vlcsnap614453dp.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap614453dp.png)
&
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/662/vlcsnap618615xc.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap618615xc.png)
= <3

[diekirai]

fwaa i love this episode too http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/milkpetal/pix6.gif nagato 可愛い~
well animated action scenes are always so cool!
(i watched the battle over and over, haha)
asakura and nagato... fwaa sugoi~

one of my favorite episodes even though itsuki didn't show up http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/milkpetal/pix9.gif
i'm just dying to see the next episode, though.
there will be kyon x haruhi moment?
i hope so http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/milkpetal/pix4.gif i just love those two, hehe.

[Aznbanana]

10 10 10 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[Ardee]

hey, wait... a... second...

An hour and a half after watching, a line just came back to me as low-truth-probability:

Yuki "forgot" to regenerate glasses? c'mon, who can picture her forgetting anything within the realm of mere-human comprehension? Which makes me wonder why she would do it, and lie when probably no one but Kyon will ever notice; which suggests that she already had him pegged as a not-glasses guy, which means she was playing dumb when she asked, which means that that scene is her warped idea of... flirting?!

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

hey, wait... a... second...

An hour and a half after watching, a line just came back to me as low-truth-probability:

Yuki "forgot" to regenerate glasses? c'mon, who can picture her forgetting anything within the realm of mere-human comprehension? Which makes me wonder why she would do it, and lie when probably no one but Kyon will ever notice; which suggests that she already had him pegged as a not-glasses guy, which means she was playing dumb when she asked, which means that that scene is her warped idea of... flirting?!
Yuki was injured, and had placed priority in healing her injuries. It's not that hard to forget about her glasses, which was entirely non-functional to begin with, when she was busy putting vital organs back together.

As hard as it may seem from witnessing her display of power, Yuki isn't omnipotent. That's what make her cute.:D

[Shikoto]

...AWESOME!
Rofl Haruhi dragging Kyon scene XD

[dangitsdon]

awesome episode.
lots of YUKI ACTION!
new sig i made from this episode. XD

[ECFNW]

A well deserved 10 for this one.

[Kertas]

This ep seriously rocked.

[rain...]

Rofl Haruhi dragging Kyon scene XD

Wow... just proves that there's more than meets the eye when we look at Haruhi. She's like, strong enough to drag Kyon(5'10?) through the hallway. Adding that to Haruhi's other abilities.

I really love the way Yuko does Mikuru's grown up voice. Mature/serious with a hint of moe. Now Mikuru-haters(or are there any?) will have something to dwell upon.

And of course, plus the battle, this episode deserves a 10 from me. Everything's done a lot better than my expectations.

[Darkside]

This ep was interesting, loved the fight scene.

Recently picked up all the eps to this series that are out as of now, and I can honestly say I have no clue wth it's about :'(. Anyone mind helping a confused n00b?

[rain...]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31059

The links should be better at explaining than me.

[Urzu 7]

This was basically Mikuru's storyline.

Next will be Yuki's

and the show finishes with Haruhi x Kyon. yehey.

Exactly how I pointed it out in ep.9 with how the scenes went by.


It only goes to episode 13? Will there be another season?

[M.D. Geist]

It only goes to episode 13? Will there be another season?

We guess so yes.... (Since kyonani doesnt have problems with sequels ... fmpf & fmp2 for example)

[npal]

Finally watched it.

I didn't actually believe this series could get any better, but they did. Marvelous.
And about the whole Mikuru/time travel rules/can't be with Kyon -> Scr*w the tt rules, scr*w the universe :p MikuruxKyon FTW :D and the world be cast into eternal flames I say :p

And cheers to Yuki, sexiest non-human in the world :D (and now that Asakura is out of the game, there's no one to compare her, too anyway). But whatever, she rocked in this episode.

And about the one who always votes 1 for each and every episode, please stop watching or all Haruhi fans will be forced to pick a post and storm you with neg rep :p :heh:

[SGSeries2]

This ep. was amaaaaazing! Adult Mikuru had me on the verge of tears! Yuki absolutely rocked the entire school! -- I can't wait to see what gets cooked up next. Haruhi, the battle's on for Kyon! Watch your back! :D

[PhantomX]

Mikuru had you on the verge of tears? Is this because she is an animated character who you can never have as she doesn't 'actually' exist? :P

P.S. Methinks Future Mikuru must have been fondled so much, she is no longer averse to being touched. Either that, or it's possible that she and Kyon get intimate in secret, hence why she is not afraid about letting him touch her bust :)

[Orchunter226]

Mikuru had you on the verge of tears? Is this because she is an animated character who you can never have as she doesn't 'actually' exist? :P

P.S. Methinks Future Mikuru must have been fondled so much, she is averse to beting touched. Either that, or it's possible that she and Kyon get intimate in secret, hence why she is not afraid about letting him touch her bust :)

I'm going with that they were intimate. The way Mikuru looked at him and was so happy to see him, it indicates that something happened between them. At least to me it does.

YukixKyon fans had to be loving this episode. Actually, all the fans loved this episode! It showed feelings from all the girls towards Kyon (even haruhi and Yuki in their own odd way).

Oh yea, the soundtrack to this episode was perfect. The music during the fight, and during when Mikuru was there fit the setting dead on.

[Lumir]

O.O

Kyon: "Super Size Me!"

xD

That was just so funny, i almost missed it in the anime due to the quickness of it. Adult Mikuru...ZOMG she if F$%king cute as hell! She even blushed and befor she left struck the cutest pose evar!!!

And damb that yuki shure put that girl in her place, though i would have like yuki's "back up" to have stayed around. The battle was just o_o!

And since the last ep and now this ep i am beggining to realize Haruhi's feelings. You know come to think of it i havent seen Kyon send anything nice tword her way. I wonder how she would react?

Anyways best ep so far 10/10.

[Deathkillz]

O.O

Kyon: "Super Size Me!"

xD


OMG as if he sed that i missed it...went back to rewatch and he did say it XD was like for 0.5 seconds but he sed it...
coolest eps so far...besides getting impaled we got to see adult mikuru...ahh its good to see her not as shy anymore...

[DannyCat]

Another quick detail, though not sure if it means anything...

At 7:54, there's a quick shot of a desk. On this desk are written two names and an umbrella sign over them. Can anyone make out whose names these are and/or if they're anyone we know?

[johnishida]

If there are words to describe this episode I do not know them... 10 is not good enough to rate it... I don't even thing this episode can be rated on a normal scale...

Not even Episode 14 of Stay Night was this <<can't find any words>> and, to be honest, until now, that one was the best I have ever seen on an anime.

[Hyperion]

And this show keeps getting better and better :D

perfect 10 from me. Loved the Yuki part.

[abang brother]

perfect but 1 more .. i dont understand the part when mikuru meet kyon..

[Kaioshin Sama]

Okay, really it wasn't that outstanding an episode, come on guys. It had an interesting battle and some very average if any real character development for Yuki, but thats about it. If anything it felt like a bridge or lead-in to the finale than a special episode in its own right, seriously keep those 10's on hold, make the ratio thing work. It really makes it hard to pinpoint the outstanding episodes of a series if EVERYTHING is given a ten. That's why I always say that its best to review a show and/or its individual episodes once the show is finished, that way accuracy and meaning are maintained. Honestly I really shouldn't have given the episode a rating, but I don't think I can withdraw it, so just ignore it for now.

Also how many times can everyone go through the same motion of, "Rofl, tis is teh best epi yet OMG!" with each new episode and comment on trivial aspects of the episode such as simple fan service sequences like the combat between Yuki and Asakura (Which was well animated and accurate) and the scene with Mikuru's mole, which while they may be highlights, certainly aren't anything spectacular that should not be expected at this point. I don't know maybe I just have higher expectations than most people, and am more interested in solid character. Well anyway I'm off to read that Day of Sagitarius or whatever chapter. By the way I gave the episode a 7 because I thought it was just good, but I wish I hadn't now that I thought things over, I should have waited.

[SOS-Brigade]

Fascinating episode ^_^ It definently deserves a perfect score but I'm still giving it a 9 simply cause... I don't want to give anything a 10~

I didn't think Yuki was going to sustain that much damage o.O She was totally impaled >.> Oh well, it was an awesome battle to watch

[Orchunter226]

Also how many times can everyone go through the same motion of, "Rofl, tis is teh best epi yet OMG!" with each new episode and comment on trivial aspects of the episode such as simple fan service sequences like the combat between Yuki and Asakura (Which was well animated and accurate) and the scene with Mikuru's mole, which while they may be highlights, certainly aren't anything spectacular that should not be expected at this point.

Not everyone does this. I gave most of the other episodes 7-8. The second murder episode was my favorite before this and even that got an 8. So, maybe it's the people who exclaim every episode is the best are just the loudest :P. This episode was truly good, and in my opinion one of the better ones.

[C.A.]

Okay, really it wasn't that outstanding an episode, come on guys. It had an interesting battle and some very average if any real character development for Yuki, but thats about it. If anything it felt like a bridge or lead-in to the finale than a special episode in its own right, seriously keep those 10's on hold, make the ratio thing work. It really makes it hard to pinpoint the outstanding episodes of a series if EVERYTHING is given a ten. That's why I always say that its best to review a show and/or its individual episodes once the show is finished, that way accuracy and meaning are maintained. Honestly I really shouldn't have given the episode a rating, but I don't think I can withdraw it, so just ignore it for now.

Also how many times can everyone go through the same motion of, "Rofl, tis is teh best epi yet OMG!" with each new episode and comment on trivial aspects of the episode such as simple fan service sequences like the combat between Yuki and Asakura (Which was well animated and accurate) and the scene with Mikuru's mole, which while they may be highlights, certainly aren't anything spectacular that should not be expected at this point. I don't know maybe I just have higher expectations than most people, and am more interested in solid character. Well anyway I'm off to read that Day of Sagitarius or whatever chapter. By the way I gave the episode a 7 because I thought it was just good, but I wish I hadn't now that I thought things over, I should have waited.

Well, if you've read my seemingly random reply to your post earlier on, you should know that we are basically rating the show on how much we liked it.

And since we liked the previous episodes enough for 10s, any better episodes will instantly be 10s. Rating systems are more for fun than actual reliance.

[npal]

@Kaioshin_Sama

I believe the ratings work good enough, no need to bitch about how other people vote. If you check the previous episodes, you'll see that there is a variation of ratings. Just because, for this episode, people who usually vote 8 or 9 chose to vote 10, doesn't make ratings fail. It means that the episode was good enough for people to vote like that. Not only that, but you can't enforce your way of judgment for other people. If one person that every episode deserves a 10, he can vote for it without needing to worry about ratings.

Now if you think this episode didn't deserve a ten, just state your reasons and vote likewise.

The "pinpoint the outstanding episode" also fails as an argument. If every episode of a series is average, how can you really find the "outstanding" episode. Likewise if a series always delivers a very good episode, obviously it's hard to pinpoint the excellent episode because the series itself is excellent.

Plus the whole argument fails when so many people agree that this episode is excellent. You can vote however you like, just don't make it sound like everyone of us is an idiot when he votes and yours is the way to do it. Unless you consider yourself above 140+ people's judgment. For a guy who likes Mecha/Shounen/Action, you seem to demand a lot of Haruhi.

Oh well, Yuki's no fun at all. :p She shouldn't have changed Taniguchi's memory. It's always fun to see class gossip in an anime and the main character getting all worked up about it :p

[Vexx]

Every other series I've ever watched, my ratings would typically be between 6 and 10. If the series dropped below that ... I usually stop watching unless its down to the last few episodes. I don't have time to waste on consistent trainwrecks (e.g. Soul Link). Negima I kept watching because it was never quite bad enough though my overall assessment was still "a very long slow trainwreck" (unlike Canvas 2 which waited til the end credits for its "wtf" moment). Utawarerumono is earning a consistent "8"+/-1.

This series is unusual and I'm not sure where you're going to find better work outside of the "top 5" quality anime ever produced. The character development is a bit spotty, focusing mostly on Kyon and Haruhi but that's about the biggest problem I can find with it. Minor quibbles are the "injokes" (references to other anime) which I don't really think belong here but, really, thats all.

I can count the series I've rated 9+ average on about one hand. Granted, if you don't like science fiction or have trouble following the non-linear data stream this show might not rate as highly (I'm not quite sure how some people can have trouble understanding the Mikuru visit) ... but I keep comparing it to Kurt Vonnegut, Douglas Adams -- perhaps a couple of other great authors of the 19th or 20th Century.

As long as you're using consistent criteria for your ratings, I've got no problem with you giving an ep a 7, 8, 9, or 10. If you gave ep 10 a 7 and I find you gave, lets say, the 3rd episode of Inukami a 9 (or a below par Naruto/Gundam ep) ----- your credibility will be mud with many people. :)

[arcticphoenix16]

as far as i know, Yuki did not modify Taniguchi's memory. She only changed everything regarding Asakura.

The dialogue went like:
*Taniguchi runs out
Yuki: interesting person
Kyon: oh man... what do we do now?
Yuki: don't worry, I made Asakura transfer out
Kyon: THAT'S YOUR CONCERN???


Episode wise, it had alot of funny little comments here and there (which could be interpreted in the wrong way. Did I hear Haruhi has "urges"?). I thought the future Mikuru scene was done very well, if you go back to episode 3/2, take a close look at the photos and you can see the birthmark.

[C.A.]

We will find out whether Taniguchi lost his memory in Yuuutsu V.

[Vexx]

as far as i know, Yuki did not modify Taniguchi's memory. She only changed everything regarding Asakura.

The dialogue went like:
*Taniguchi runs out
Yuki: interesting person
Kyon: oh man... what do we do now?
Yuki: don't worry, I made Asakura transfer out
Kyon: THAT'S YOUR CONCERN???


Episode wise, it had alot of funny little comments here and there (which could be interpreted in the wrong way. Did I hear Haruhi has "urges"?). I thought the future Mikuru scene was done very well, if you go back to episode 3/2, take a close look at the photos and you can see the birthmark.

Yeah.. no evidence that Taniguchi lost any memory ... Yuki only said she was adjusting the datafield concerning Asakura's disappearance.

In this episode, we have some echoes of Kyon being a "male lead idiot" in not catching Haruhi's drift when she's being pitiful at the start of the episode.
Speculation based purely on anime as it stands:
I almost feel like she pulled Mikuru in as a "test of strength" for Kyon to see if he was worthy of her. When he falters (storing Mikuru's pics instead of deleting them), she gets depressed. Whether or not its romantic, she seems to think he's the first one since 3 years ago with the potential to be a *companion* in her world.

[C.A.]

Episode wise, it had alot of funny little comments here and there (which could be interpreted in the wrong way. Did I hear Haruhi has "urges"?). I thought the future Mikuru scene was done very well, if you go back to episode 3/2, take a close look at the photos and you can see the birthmark.

Yes Haruhi has urges lol, she said shes a healthy young female after all.

If you watched even episode 00, Mikuru's birth mark can be seen. I noticed that the first time I watched the show lol:D

I've been expanding screen shots trying to look for a specific star shape, but only this episode theres actually a star shape.

[Orchunter226]

Hmm, not that I think about it, I wonder if Haruhi was crying when Mikuru saw her. At first I thought she just had an angry look, but we never see her face. And Mikuru looks surprised when she sees her (wich I doubt if she just looked mad since it's common). So she may have been crying and didn't want Kyon to see.

[C.A.]

Woah Haruhi-sama crying? I wouldn't like to see that, it will heart breaking, definitely not want to have it happen too. The world may probably end a short while later lol

[martino]

It's still better than having Mikuru cry!!! :D

[npal]

It's still better than having Mikuru cry!!! :D

Seconded :p

[LCeh]

In this episode, we have some echoes of Kyon being a "male lead idiot" in not catching Haruhi's drift when she's being pitiful at the start of the episode.
Speculation based purely on anime as it stands:
I almost feel like she pulled Mikuru in as a "test of strength" for Kyon to see if he was worthy of her. When he falters (storing Mikuru's pics instead of deleting them), she gets depressed. Whether or not its romantic, she seems to think he's the first one since 3 years ago with the potential to be a *companion* in her world.

Mmm, that's an interesting notion...I am not sure if it was hinted that she found out Kyon secretly trying to save the pictures though, although that would certainly explain why she got pissed suddenly.

[npal]

^ I thought that was pretty hilarious :p I think she got jealous though. I mean, it's one thing to lecture someone about taking liberties they shouldn't with other people, about others' privacy, and another to make all the fuss to get the pictures off the net but save them for yourself :p Tsk tsk Kyon, my boy, just take Mikuru on a date for God's sake and get on with it :p You're being a bit too obvious.

[LCeh]

At the beginning of the ep, Kyon talked about reviewing their bahavior on Saturday, what was he referring to? When did Haruhi say they were reviewing their behavior?

EDIT: Nvm. I thought the search for mystery happened after this episode chronologically. I got confused for a second there, I thought the previous ep of this one was the one where they handed out fliers.

[diekirai]

At the beginning of the ep, Kyon talked about reviewing their bahavior on Saturday, what was he referring to? When did Haruhi say they were reviewing their behavior?

remember when haruhi had the SOS brigade meet up to search for mysterious things in pairs?
(i think it was episode 5... the one where mikuru and itsuki revealed their identity after yuki did)
it didn't go the way she had wanted so she wanted them to review their behavior.
i think mostly in the episode she was jealous that other girls paired with kyon ^_^;;

[npal]

Wasn't that, maybe, about the episode when they went out to look for aliens and such and Kyon was paired with Mikuru, then Yuki, etc to Haruhi's dismay? Or am I wrong?

Edit: ^ Yes that :p

[Vexx]

aye.. chronologically this is Kyon's *first* very serious exposure to the fact that his comrades are, in fact, not nuts and occurs soon after the "short straw" escapade.

[Haruhara]

As a Yuki fan I think this was my favourite episode, and it looks like there going to be more of her next ep too.

As a quick question for those who read the novels, has it ever been explained what Yuki actually is? I know she told Kyon everything, but I mean is it known in layman's terms how she is able to do all that matrix hacking stuff?

But even if I don't really understand her, I still get all giddy every time she does that hyper speed incantation thing.

[Urzu 7]

O.O

Kyon: "Super Size Me!"

xD




Yeah, I laughed so hard at that!

Very good episode, very good series. :)

[C.A.]

As a Yuki fan I think this was my favourite episode, and it looks like there going to be more of her next ep too.

As a quick question for those who read the novels, has it ever been explained what Yuki actually is? I know she told Kyon everything, but I mean is it known in layman's terms how she is able to do all that matrix hacking stuff?

But even if I don't really understand her, I still get all giddy every time she does that hyper speed incantation thing.

Yuki belongs to a race/species of entity that has no physical body and are merely a presence. They are called the 'Data Entities'.

Data Entities can manipulate matter and energies at will, everything in the universe is 'data'. They grow and evolve by accquiring more data and information.

The Data Entities have reached a point of where they have no new data to accquire and stopped evolving. For that they started searching the Universe for new data that can help them gain the next step of evolution.

They found hope on Earth, humans got their attention. There are alot of lifeforms in the Universe, but only Earth has humans which have high self awareness and the ability to mainpulate data in a way to create new data. They started monitoring Humans, but Humans are still not enough for them to gain a next step of evolution.

Then one day, 3 years ago, an explosion of data occured(on a bow shaped penisular on Earth) and in the middle is Haruhi. Haruhi was able to create 'junk' data out of nothing, something even the Data Entities couldn't do. They believe Haruhi may hold the key to the next step of their evolution.

They decided to send someone to investigate on Haruhi, but first they need to make sure that this creation can interact with Humans. For that they created Yuki, the 1st Data Entity in the form of a Human.

Yuki's chanting is her way of setting up 'programs' to manipulate 'data'.

[M.D. Geist]

This thread is btw. seriously missing some :

Evil Blue bag of DOOM!

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/3316/evilbluebag0ig.jpg

edit :
i think the first bag is missing too! ;]
although the ankel might tolerate a dead spot... hmm
edit2:
when haruhi left the room theres definately no evil blue bag in front of nagato anylonger! ;)
edit3:
mikurus maid outfit seems to disappear sometimes too! ^^

btw. can anybody read what this sign means?! (shown between short pause of asakura trying to kill kyon for the first time)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1083/sign3dh.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sign3dh.jpg)

or is it not important?

(well there are some other signs/boardtexts which are left untranslated... thanks to good it isnt that extreme like in PPD ^^)

[arias]

btw. can anybody read what this sign means?! (shown between short pause of asakura trying to kill kyon for the first time)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1083/sign3dh.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sign3dh.jpg)

or is it not important?

(well there are some other signs/boardtexts which are left untranslated... thanks to good it isnt that extreme like in PPD ^^)

You should put the first picture in spoiler tags, because it really widened my browser screen (which is only at 1024 resolution.. yes, yes, 1280 is da nuu thing, but I have poor eyes). Regarding the carving on the table, it's not related to anyone in SOS, so it's not really important.

The umbrella carving, for those who are unfamiliar, is a phenomenon of Japanese culture where lovers (or admirers..) carve their names under the umbrella pictograph.. I suspect that the carving actually has to do with the little "backstory" throughout episode 10.

Notice that at the beginning of the ep where Haruhi has her head on the table, we see the clip of two students in athletic wear setting up a tennis net, and the girl being abit shy. Later, after the fight, when Haruhi talks to Kyon, the two students are on the school grounds, with the girl slapping the guy, pushing him to the floor and running off. To reconstruct this little story's timeline, we have to note that the slapping occurs the next day, and the guy goes "matte yooo T_T" after the girl b-slaps his bald ass. : B It seems plausible that the carving is related to this story.



Regarding Haruhi, her jealousy is quite adorable to me ; ) Of course, Kyon's aloofness about it can be quite frustrating.. I'd really like to see or know what her expression was as she left the room after Kyon kept Mikuru's pictures. I think that despite what was being said, Haruhi -didn't- know that Kyon kept those pictures.. Of course, that she bounces back incredibly the following day (this happens throughout the novel) is also quite a curious thing to me. I wonder what happens.

I'll note, also, that some people have qualms over Haruhi's "possession" of Kyon that doesn't allow the Mikuru/Kyon pairing. I won't pull in things like time paradoxes or fate, or any of the such since time travel used in this fashion is in itself entirely illogical. What I can say is that the Kyon x Haruhi x Mikuru relationship is abit more subtle than that.. at least it is so in the novel. I'd elaborate more, but you guys will just have to read the novels...

Also, it's nice to note that while Yuki's expression is stoic throughout the episode, including during Kyon's assessment that she "looks cuter/better" without her spectacles, Yuki actually stops wearing glasses from then on : O If you observe in episode 9 (Someday in the Rain, which is also chronologically last in the timeline), she doesn't wear glasses. If we combine that with the speculation that it was Yuki who put the first cardigan on Kyon, then... :D

[panzerfan]

Well to his defense, he is in a position where everyone around him appeases Haruhi to keep her stable or stand idle and observe her due to her incredable and dangerous potentials. Looking at this gnaws at the level headed and even handed Kyon. For him to approach the situation and act as he does is quite surprising as Haruhi is a major, but still only of the entire equation to the SOS question. The weight of any potential action is not lost to Kyon and that coupled with a genuine care is frustrating to no end.

[Thelastguardian]

Hmm, not that I think about it, I wonder if Haruhi was crying when Mikuru saw her.
I don't know if she was "crying" as per say, but she was definitely depressed.

Remember how Itsuki came in later and said he has part-time job?


To save the world by closing the "static field" Haruhi creates whenever she is emotionally unstable. Care to guess what caused her to be emotionally unstable in episode 10?

[C.A.]

If you remember in episode 4, the baseball episode, Itsuki receives a sudden call from his colleagues. You know, he sure has a busy job.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

If you remember in episode 4, the baseball episode, Itsuki receives a sudden call from his colleagues. You know, he sure has a busy job.

I mostly imagine his job involves progress reports back at headquarters, where the meeting requires everyone to wear silly masks and robes, and a lot of chanting.:heh:

[Shirobane]

I mostly imagine his job involves progress reports back at headquarters, where the meeting requires everyone to wear silly masks and robes, and a lot of chanting.:heh:
haha is that where Haruhi's "urges" fits in?
actually forget about that, I'm thinking too much in terms of Da Vinci Code today

[martino]

One thing that makes me wonder is that Ryoko is a Data Integrity Device(or whatever you call them) as is Yuki. Someone here said that Yuki is the first one. How can Ryoko then show emotions unlike Yuki? Is it becuase she is a "newer" device?
And shouldn't Ryoko be superior to Yuki in her abilities as she is "newer" again?

[Shirobane]

One thing that makes me wonder is that Ryoko is a Data Integrity Device(or whatever you call them) as is Yuki. Someone here said that Yuki is the first one. How can Ryoko then show emotions unlike Yuki? Is it becuase she is a "newer" device?
And shouldn't Ryoko be superior to Yuki in her abilities as she is "newer" again?

As was stated in the episode, Asakura simply did a half-assed job isolating her data jurisdiction. That's the reason why Yuki was able to detect what I'm guessing to be an anomaly in normal space. It's also stated that Yuki spent the time before breaking into Asakura's data jurisdiction planting some sort of attack algorithm, therefore Yuki had the advantage simply because of preperation.

[C.A.]

Yea like a wizard, Yuki the magical alien spents MP('data') to cast spells('programs').

Yuki spent a good portion of her mp casting 'traps' on Asakura's closed space.

She probably also buffed herself with 'Touch of Doom' so that she deletes whatever data she touches.

There you have it, information conveyed in a form where most normal humans would understand.