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Kiron22
2006-06-06, 03:34
http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/

Little Teaser site from Sega for Bleach, looks like Bleach: Tasogare ni Mamieru Shinigami is getting a sequal, Hopefully this is what Naruto: GNT 3 was to Naruto: GNT 1 and 2, because Bleach: TnMS had some big problems.

Notice it says Next Wii, then Ichigo is in the shape of a K, Next Wiik?.

Sety
2006-06-06, 17:54
Iit might have been a good idea to have posted this in the Bleach forum but yeah I'm looking forward to this. If I recall some screens were also release a while ago.

Sety
2006-06-09, 04:03
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5797/520715200606082258300big8zp.jpg

Better quality screens.

shiky0
2006-06-10, 10:48
This looks awesome for the Wii. No more button mashing! Imagine swinging your Wii controler around the room and screaming bankai ><

fizzmaister
2006-06-11, 19:54
Well what little doubt was in my mind about buying the Wii has been banished.

Yes it'd be nice to swing instead of mash. and maybe if they were to add a mike and the power of your sword is related to how loud you can scream Bankai?

Dionysus
2006-06-12, 00:48
I wonder how much Wii will cost??

I wonder if can afford it?

I wonder if it will be hard to find Bleach for Wii?

I wonder if i wonder to much?

I wonder if i wonder that i wonder to much?

And the circle never ended.

SpecterVR
2006-06-12, 01:08
I wonder how much Wii will cost??
No more than $250.

Awesome news, though screaming "BAN KAAIII" would be quite ridiculous..xD
Though the goofy little action figure charm of a game would fit the wii's goals...
None the less, I think its the first fighter (maybe) for the Wii announced? Maybe?
Interesting no less.

Sety
2006-06-12, 04:03
It was actually more along the lines of $222 thats the placeholder price at the moment at shops.

physics223
2006-06-12, 10:16
What if Wii had a sound detector that a shout would allow you to transform into bankai? That would be so cool ... that it's almost impossible to think of. And then swinging it around as if in real time ... kewlness.

Thewanderer
2006-06-12, 10:58
What if Wii had a sound detector that a shout would allow you to transform into bankai? That would be so cool ... that it's almost impossible to think of. And then swinging it around as if in real time ... kewlness.
Would you want an annoying younger sibling to run by and yell the activation, messing up your strategy?:p

physics223
2006-06-12, 11:01
I don't have him here, so why not? :heh:

sanghyun1990
2006-06-12, 11:08
What if Wii had a sound detector that a shout would allow you to transform into bankai? That would be so cool ... that it's almost impossible to think of. And then swinging it around as if in real time ... kewlness. There is a rumor that wii might have a built in mike so that is possible. I hope battle system will be like in TP.

Sety
2006-06-12, 12:41
Well theres a possibility there maybe since we saw the TP demonstration at E3 showing how it had sound capabilities. Though GCN peripherals/controllers still work with Wii and GCN already had a mic add on. Interesting idea regardless.

Spawnblade
2006-06-13, 21:26
A free form fighter would be the best... Where you can actually use the environment, making it something like Unreal Tournament in that sense, and some of the Budokai games. It just allows for a lot more strategy in dodging and attacks... Would definitely be cooler than a straight out Mortal Kombat/Street Fighter type of console game.

Takishi
2006-06-14, 03:30
Wii's controller has also buttons. I would not expect anything breath-taking from this game. They do not even have to use any motion detection bonuses in game. It may as well be a typical fighter as all others ;). The only difference from Gc's one will be that you're gonna use wireless controller that looks a bit bizzare :]

Sety
2006-06-14, 16:03
The only difference from Gc's one will be that you're gonna use wireless controller that looks a bit bizzare :]

Not true, theres the Virtual Console controller (the remake of the GCN controller) for Wii that comes with it. Its already confirmed SSBB is using the below controller and that Wii is backward compattible with GCN controllers. So theres a possibility they may simply do it in the normal style.

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/article/707/707508/e3-2006-hands-on-with-the-wii-virtural-console-controller-20060510065246373.jpg

fizzmaister
2006-06-14, 17:55
wow that's just the SNES controller combined with a GC controller.

physics223
2006-06-15, 03:01
It's very stylish in its simplicity. I hope I can get the Wii seven years from now. xD

stonedzombie
2006-06-16, 04:40
if i could play a bleach game where shouting, "BANKAII!!" transforms my character, i would never leave my home.

Maxon
2006-06-16, 16:10
Is it just me, or is it cel-shaded? Looks awesome either way.

Eandia
2006-06-16, 19:41
I wonder how Wii games like Bleach are gonna look with 480p as its maximum resolution on hdtvs 1336x768 or more considering they are getting really cheap and are more and more replacing all other lower res tvs.

U<3Anime
2006-06-16, 21:00
It would be awesome if you could yell out attacks too. Imagine yelling "GETSUGA TENSHOU!":D

fizzmaister
2006-06-17, 19:26
well that would make sense because zangetsu told Ichigo that that the power of that attack will increase 5x(?) if he knew the name.

unfortunately I have a feeling that we would have to yell moonfang slices heavens or whatever the english translation is.

Maxon
2006-06-27, 15:10
It would be awesome if you could yell out attacks too. Imagine yelling "GETSUGA TENSHOU!":D They'd better have that for the English translation.

Deathkillz
2006-06-27, 17:41
wow how cool...i think yelling BANKAIII is one thing but yelling out the attacks as well would be a bad mistake...wht if you cnt say the words properly so the mic couldnt recignise the words? your pretty screwed :p

TaMs
2006-06-28, 06:52
btw wii will not have build in microphone but u can buy bluetooth headset.. :)


After the teaser on the upcoming Bleach game for Wii, Famitsu gives us more on what to expect with this game! Bleach Wii intends to do two things. First, to capture the essence of the manga that Kubo Tite has written. They want to make sure, especially with the action and the animation, that very spirit of Bleach won't be lost. More so, they also want to make sure that the players would experience Bleach first hand. Hence, unlike the previous Bleach titles, this game doesn't just let you tap the buttons but gives you a chance to know what it's like being a Shinigami.

There is one thing that they have released that surely would entice many Bleach fans into getting this game for the Wii. For one, the characters, especially the Shinigamis will be using their Bankais, a strong, second level attack in this game. Not that the PSP titles doesn't have this, but as said, this is an experience and not just merely a game. They explain that the Wiimote will serve as a sword that the player moves in order to move the attack of the character. If you are able to chain some combos, the Wiimote will vibrate and that would be your cue to unlock the Bankais of your character.

The Bleach Wii (still a temporary title) is definitely causing a ruckus among fans of the game as well as those who wish to experience Nintendo's Wii. Definitely, this Shinigami action is something to look forward to. The game will be released winter of 2006.

rtwesen
2006-06-28, 07:07
*snip*

that's it. I'm getting a wii. Definately.

Does the wii have region locks? as in, can i play a japanese game on PAL/NTSC systems?

Potatochobit
2006-06-28, 07:26
i dont care what system its on as long as it doesnt have slow half-XXX play mechanics. everytime they make a 3d game it has to be some retarded hybrid of virtual fighter and with button mashing and no technique.

physics223
2006-07-01, 09:51
That just read so coolly. I wish I had the dough.

cheez rocks
2006-07-11, 18:01
This looks awesome for the Wii. No more button mashing! Imagine swinging your Wii controler around the room and screaming bankai ><
you don't do that already?! but seriously, there were other bleach games from nintendo? How come no one told me?!

Shin_Battousai
2006-07-12, 02:56
Hmm i can already picture Byakuya being broken...i mean how can you expect to be able to swing the controller fast enough to deflect insane amount of petals that would come at a blazing speed? :P

Note: I'm referring to the fight between Ichigo and Byakuya

NoSanninWa
2006-07-12, 05:49
I seriously doubt that it will be that realistic. How many games have you seen where there are special attacks with stuff is attacking the character from all sides? Plenty! Yet, all these attacks are countered with a simple block.

It is highly likely that this game will be the same. Just hold the controller in the block position and it won't matter if you are blocking Byakuya's shikai or Renji's shikai. Unrealistic? Certainly, but just as unrealistic as every other fighting game on the market.

Shin_Battousai
2006-07-12, 06:32
Please tell me you knew i was being sarcastic because your reply seems to be taking my post seriously...I even put an emoticon there ^^;

NoSanninWa
2006-07-12, 16:02
Sorry, sarcasm sometimes is hard to detect on a forum. I thought you were sticking your tongue out at the game. :heh:

rtwesen
2006-09-12, 23:54
http://bleach.sega.jp/

wow! new gameplay videos. Click the last Ch__ for your 'super fast sword swings' :P Click the 2nd one for another short clip.

Petbe
2006-09-13, 03:37
http://bleach.sega.jp/

wow! new gameplay videos. Click the last Ch__ for your 'super fast sword swings' :P Click the 2nd one for another short clip.

Here is sorta the same clip except it shows how it is being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJB5hgfHUY

Lotiman
2006-09-16, 12:13
I hope it is in English.

AdzPearson
2006-09-16, 14:27
Does the wii have region locks? as in, can i play a japanese game on PAL/NTSC systems?

http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3609

Shame, but I expected it to be honest.

senesti
2006-09-16, 16:38
I am sure someone will come out with a mod or a disc that lets you bypass region lock.

I don't know why in this age they would hold onto the region lock system.

Lotiman
2006-09-16, 21:51
Isn't the game is region free? I didn't read the detail spec of the Wii but PS3 and Xbox360 is region free right.

AdzPearson
2006-09-16, 23:46
Isn't the game is region free? I didn't read the detail spec of the Wii but PS3 and Xbox360 is region free right.

To an extent, the 360 is region free. However, it seems to be up to the developers or publishers (most likely the latter) which games are region free and which aren't. For example, Dead or Alive 4 is region free, but Dead Rising isn't. From what I've read, I imagine the same will happen with the PS3.

As for the Wii, it looks as though Datel will have to release a new version of the FreeLoader. I'm sure they'll have no complaints if that's the case...lol

Sety
2006-09-21, 15:37
Awesome new trailer and screens for both Bleach DS 2nd and Bleach Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhb9LiMg7Y

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0609/game060917e.shtml

Official name is now 'Shiraha Kirameku Rondo' they've confirmed Kubo Tite is supervising the creation of a brand new original character for Bleach Wii also I think Arrancar are playable. Though can anyone confirm if thats Grimjoww there? He has the same colour hair and the exact same mask and even shirt, but I don't know how the katakana for Grimjoww's name is written.

Dark`
2006-09-21, 17:12
Awesome new trailer and screens for both Bleach DS 2nd and Bleach Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhb9LiMg7Y

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0609/game060917e.shtml

Official name is now 'Shiraha Kirameku Rondo' they've confirmed Kubo Tite is supervising the creation of a brand new original character for Bleach Wii also I think Arrancar are playable. Though can anyone confirm if thats Grimjoww there? He has the same colour hair and the exact same mask and even shirt, but I don't know how the katakana for Grimjoww's name is written.
It doesn't look like Grimmjaw...the mask part is different, and so is the hairstyle.

Lebron
2006-09-22, 05:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLDQ0QFm8ZA

heres a new trailer for Bleach Wii

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=13286
shows a girl actually playin it at TGS

lommm
2006-09-27, 05:25
anyone else notice that in the bankai section of the trailer (where we see ichigo, komamura, and maiyuri go bankai) there is also a shot of Ukitake doing what appears to be a bankai???? certainly not the sstandard stuff we've seen him do before.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/cpk10/bleach/bscap0003.jpg


and i think that chick's a manga-inspired character who's unique to the game.

Killa_hurtz
2006-10-01, 04:30
If SEGA makes this game Region-free...Pfft no contest...a Wii is getting sold! [me]

Sety
2006-10-27, 03:39
Update to the website, 32 playable characters it seems.

http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/chara/home.html

Also confirmation of a pre-order bonus.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0610/game061025d.shtml

Not sure if anyone is interested but Bleach for Wii which releases for this December will be giving away a bonus DVD with interviews with the producers/actors and trailers for the movie.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6331/bleachwii10us8.jpg

Sogoro
2006-10-27, 04:26
that is so awesome I cannot wait

Killa_hurtz
2006-10-27, 16:52
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6331/bleachwii10us8.jpg

WTF? I heard they were making an original character for the game...THAT ISN'T AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER.

That's Grimmjow...KICK ASS! Arrancar Arc Level Powers! Vizard Ichigo PWNING!!!

TEKO425
2006-10-27, 17:00
WTF? I heard they were making an original character for the game...THAT ISN'T AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER.

That's Grimmjow...KICK ASS! Arrancar Arc Level Powers! Vizard Ichigo PWNING!!!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the arrancar on the cover is an original character called Arturo. There's a chance that Grimmjow will be in the game though along with Ulquiorra based on two silhouettes on the character select screen.

lordblazer
2006-11-03, 10:47
I wonder how much Wii will cost??

I wonder if can afford it?

I wonder if it will be hard to find Bleach for Wii?

I wonder if i wonder to much?

I wonder if i wonder that i wonder to much?

And the circle never ended.

It'll be the most affordable next gen. system.

lommm
2006-11-03, 17:53
OMFG! you can actually select Hanatorou!! and Yachiru!! Holy schneikies!! (did anyone watch Yachiru's in-game previews? why don't we get to see her fighting on the show??) though Hanatorou looks really crappy when you see his preview
:(

it's weird that the character select screen doesn't have certain characters lit up.

i mean, ishida is silhouetted. everyone knows he'll be in the game. and the trailer shows ukitake and komamura. plus, you can see Yoruichi, Uruhara, Yumichika, Ikkaku, Shunsui, Soifon...

i thought i had read that you could use Shinji. was i wrong?

Trance
2006-11-10, 07:31
Does anyone think that the story mode is related to the manga? I mean, do you think it'll spoil for the anime-only watchers for bleach? becuase I'm one of them :D

joseph82
2006-11-22, 18:59
Warning: Trailer may contain manga material. View at your own risk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6uHzbAyeVes:)

Wong82
2006-11-22, 21:57
There has already been a post about the WII bleach and the link doesn't work

NoSanninWa
2006-11-22, 23:26
Not only is there already a thread, but he wasn't posting a new clip either. Here's his link fixed:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6uHzbAyeVes

It's the same promo that was posted here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLDQ0QFm8ZA

The Sandman
2006-11-27, 20:40
Looks like our favorite Arrancar duo just got confirmed on that character page from earlier...

Electroguy
2006-11-27, 21:08
Update to the website, 32 playable characters it seems.

http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/chara/home.html

Also confirmation of a pre-order bonus.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0610/game061025d.shtml

Not sure if anyone is interested but Bleach for Wii which releases for this December will be giving away a bonus DVD with interviews with the producers/actors and trailers for the movie.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6331/bleachwii10us8.jpg

Omfg.

Do you know what this means?

This means that bleach will be out of filler by december!!!

Going on how the team for naruto only release merch alongside the progress of the anime this game features characters we haven't met yet...which might suggest that we'll know him by december!

NoSanninWa
2006-11-27, 23:43
It means nothing of the sort. It is quite possible that the game is based on the manga. Though I will admit that it is looking likely the filler will end within a month.

Lendial
2006-11-28, 01:09
the game looks _awesome_ some of the attacks just make you drool

Electroguy
2006-11-28, 12:12
It means nothing of the sort. It is quite possible that the game is based on the manga. Though I will admit that it is looking likely the filler will end within a month.

Yeah its not 100%. :(

But if you look at series like Naruto & Gundam they release merchandise alongside the anime not the manga so I'd assume that bleach would be treated the same, especially for big name releases like the first ever bleach appearance on the Wii.

Time will tell I suppose!

Zoe
2006-11-28, 14:57
But if you look at series like Naruto & Gundam they release merchandise alongside the anime not the manga so I'd assume that bleach would be treated the same, especially for big name releases like the first ever bleach appearance on the Wii.

I believe Bleach releases have always followed the manga. Certain character abilities have appeared in the games already released that haven't even happened in the anime yet.

Sety
2006-11-28, 15:31
http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/chara/home.html

Take a look guys!

Grimjoww 100% confirmed for Bleach Wii!

Sety
2006-11-28, 15:33
http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/chara/home.html

Take a look at Grimjoww's character videos. Does anyone know whos doing his voice?

Also if you noticed Ulquilora is there too.

Dragon Flame
2006-11-28, 18:00
Who is that one character that looks like a cross between Ulquiorra and Grimmjow?

striderm
2006-11-28, 18:24
Arturo... who's a new guy made for the game.

gameoffreak8
2006-11-29, 18:03
It looks awesome. I'm looking forward to this.

Lebron
2006-11-30, 05:12
I can't wait to break my hands playing this. I can already picture myself flinging my arms around like a monkey infront of our TV, while girlfriend and roommates sit and watch wondering what in the hell I'm doing. They will probably think im possessed or something and may actually bring out the Bible, then finally it will end with me breaking the TV as the Wii remote flys out of palm sweety hands. Then hearing roomates yell out WTF, as I just broke our 32inch Samsung HD set, then a picture of me darting out the dorm like my life depended on it.


I really Can't Freakin Wait!:)


edit: I didn't see these posted yet, sooooo
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14961&type=wmv&pl=game
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=14801&type=wmv&pl=game

JaxeN
2006-11-30, 07:57
Anyone know if this game is only comming out in Japan? that would suck =(

Lebron
2006-11-30, 17:05
For a while it's only in Japan. The Bleach anime in America just started a couple of months ago, and they are like on episode 16?, iono. The releases have to conicide with the anime. Out of all the playable characters in the game, if someone from the US were to pick it up, they probably would only know of about 7. Thats if they follow the game on the net or anything.

However, there have been rumors that sum JPN Wii games will work on US Wii consoles, but its not 100% confirmmed. Best bet is to just wait for a Freeloader to release for the Wii, then get the game that way. Since it will be a while before it hits the states.

Sety
2006-11-30, 17:09
Anybody noticed Altoro is voiced by Seki Tomokazu? For the royal goddamn win.

Nellie
2006-12-04, 22:31
I really want to play this game >.< Anime+video games is like, total love for me. Even if the games aren't that good, I still love them :(

This looks like alot of fun, though. Wii is such an awesomely unique system. I'm really glad Bleach was slated for it.

Rock Lee X
2006-12-05, 17:04
when i get my wii....this is teh first game im going to get.......my friend has a wii and he bought the dbz game!!! omg sweet heavennnn it is sooooooo sick!!!!

*RUNS TO BATHROOM WITH TISSUE*

:D

striderm
2006-12-30, 14:08
http://bleach.sega.jp/wii/chara/home.html

Take a look at Grimjoww's character videos. Does anyone know whos doing his voice?

Also if you noticed Ulquilora is there too.

Finally found Grimmjow's seiyuu at random.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=48696

onepiecelover
2006-12-30, 14:37
The game looks awesome, I cant wait to own it but I do hope they release it here in the US =)

zamme
2007-03-13, 00:33
So, who other then me are in possession of this game and enjoying the heck out of it?

Hisago
2007-03-13, 04:46
omg. You can play as Hana?

How the heck is that gonna work?

I'll buy it anyway :B

zamme
2007-03-13, 06:51
Hanatarou doesnt do damage when he attacks using the sword, he heals the opponent instead. You'll need to do weird attacks like swinging around hoping he will hit the enemy more with his fists or head then he does with his blade, and it takes reaally long to win using that strategy. He's pretty much a joke character and I wish he was locked out of the random button :/

Hisago
2007-03-13, 14:59
Poor guy ):

WarpObscura
2007-04-04, 10:55
So... What is the story behind Arturo? Anyone managed to decipher it yet?

Bronwen Stx
2007-04-04, 12:23
I dunno if this is off topic but, here is are vids of the Bleach's VA playing their characters. A competition of the sort but I just found it hilarious. They're quite long so you might want to get yourself comfortable.

Watch this first:
So! Ichigo vs. Gin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuoLp-ylBxM

Byakuya vs. Renji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SN4yiyFoSg

There's two more fights, the losers and then the winners. :D It's not translated but you could sort of guess what they're talking about. But that's beside the point. The point is watching them play silly. XDDD

Then this:
Byakuya vs. Gin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvs8bVEM8I

Ichigo vs. Renji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtL6HBJ5tXo

blackgoku
2007-04-04, 16:16
That Bleach game looks sooo cool, when I get my Wii I would love to play it.
Only the thought of playing Ichigo in Bankai is so cool that I cant await to get it.

Zu Ra
2007-04-04, 20:43
@WarpObscura

So... What is the story behind Arturo? Anyone managed to decipher it yet?

Well espada 9 was created just around 6-7 weeks ago so they most likely wont have him . If you use Kaien it will be only till the extent of Shikai Nejibana

Kaien is Not Espada9/WtfArro : D

WarpObscura
2007-04-05, 08:18
@WarpObscura



Well espada 9 was created just around 6-7 weeks ago so they most likely wont have him . If you use Kaien it will be only till the extent of Shikai Nejibana

Kaien is Not Espada9/WtfArro : D

No, I mean Arturo, the green-haired Arrancar created exclusive for Bleach Wii. I do not mean Lulu.

Zu Ra
2007-04-05, 09:59
No, I mean Arturo, the green-haired Arrancar created exclusive for Bleach Wii. I do not mean Lulu.

Oh my bad I felt you meant Aro : D Well I hav'nt played Bleach Wii but I do know about Arturo



Arturo Plateado

(アルトゥロ・プラチアド Aruturo Purateado)

Seiyu : Tomokazu Seki


Arturo Plateado (lit. Silver Arthur) is an arrancar designed by Sega, in conjunction with Tite Kubo, specifically for Bleach Wii: Hakujin Kirameku Rondo. Arturo has long turquoise hair, wane pupil-less eyes, and the remains of his hollow mask on his right cheek. It appears to be the jaw, but is extended around the back of his head. His hollow hole is located below the base of his neck.

Arturo's zanpakutō is called Fenice (不滅王, lit. Immortal King, ), but its release command is unknown. He has two different sets of energy wings: the first, which shows what seems to be a regular special (he uses sonido to repeatedly slash the opponent from different directions), he has two blue wings (which look similar to the one wing Uryū Ishida grew when he entered the Quincy Final Form). The second set, which appear during what seems to be his ultimate attack (he hovers in the air and then charges up and fires a cero), look to be made of multi-colored flame.

Arturo is a self-made arrancar so old that he is only recognized by Shigekuni Yamamoto-Genryūsai and Yoruichi Shihouin via her family's scrolls. He stormed the Soul Society and was sealed beneath the Sōkyoku. When Ichigo destroyed the Sōkyoku upon rescuing Rukia at the end of the Soul Society arc, the seal on Arturo was broken and he was freed once again. In the game, he decides to impersonate various captains to regain the pieces of the destroyed Sōkyoku in order to absorb them into his body to become more powerful

WarpObscura
2007-04-05, 21:29
I read Wiki already :D I need info from someone who has already played.

Sorry, Geta.

WarpObscura
2007-04-24, 09:59
So... Anyone who has played Bleach Wii know what Arturo's backstory is?

Hisago
2007-04-24, 19:22
Oh! I know! I know!

Arturo is an ancient natural Arrancar who was sealed within the... execution tool thingy, can't remember the name, and was released when Ichigo broke the execution tool during the Rescue Rukia arc.

There may have been more, but that's basically it. Dunno why he joined Aizen or anything...

WarpObscura
2007-04-25, 03:23
So... He took off his mask by himself? I thought natural arrancar were weaker than Hogyoku-created ones? Any idea what his story mode involves and who the final opponent is? YouTubers do not give him enough love. ~.-

Red Herring
2007-04-25, 06:20
Is this game any good? I got the two DS Bleach games and they are awesome. I play that Bleach DS 2 an awful lot.