The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 27 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 11]

[Futaba-chan]

anyway, anyone actually played games with macro? The only one that I've ever bothered w. is Lineage II the Korean MMORPG and that was a while ago.

Netrek uses them. In fact, the whole game and the way they went about playing it reminded me rather a lot of Netrek, once you get past the obvious differences (fleets vs. single ships, and so forth).

[Futaba-chan]

Holy Macross 7 homage at the end of episode 12 preview

"Atashi no uta o kike!" absolutely sealed the deal for me for this being a 10. (So Haruhi and Kyon are Fire Bomber fans? Cool....)

[panzerfan]

Then again, every single member goes to Kyon for advice and whatnot... even Mikuru wants him there for several mission-critical objectives. Koizumi does more or less confide in him quite a bit about the state of being which... if told to the others might not work so well to his interest.

Kyon is person on the most solid footing comparing to any one of them. Furthermore, he cares genuinely and at times will call it when things are going too far regardless of who the individual is. It isn't just to how critical he is as an element to all of their mission but the fact that his solid footing means that he can steer far better than anyone else in the storm.

The other element though... it is clear that all of them like him. That I won't really comment.

[C.A.]

My theory is that Yuki listens to Kyon because he's the only normal human being in SoS-dan. Since Yuki is an alien, she would not have a good grasp of the intricacies of human interaction. Hence she does what Kyon tells her, so she would remain inconspicious in the background and continue to observe Haruhi.

For example, in the baseball episode, when the SoS-baseball-team starts to pull an incredible winning streak due to Yuki's enchanted bat, Kyon got worried it started to look too suspicious and asked Yuki to turn off the homing mode, which she did.

And in the mysterious island episode, Yuki took Haruhi's order not to open the door too literally and refused to open the door. It was up to Kyon then to convince Yuki to open the door by overriding Haruhi's order.

Perhaps in this way, we can see that Yuki not so much listen to Kyon, but trust in his judgement of the situation.
It's really not that complicated lol

There's some hints that Yuki has developed feelings for Kyon. It started after Kyon brought her to the library, then Kyon told her that she's cuter without specs, it strengthed those feelings. Yuki mentioned on Haruhi's website that she likes the library, in the novels too.

She's listening to Kyon because of a simple reason, she doesn't want to upset him lol

[SvenTheSweeper]

Great episode with tributes and spoofs of Battleship Yamato and Macross. Brings back feeling of nostalgia, when I used to watched those shows during the 1970s(Yamato) and 1980s(Macross).:)

[Ardee]

My theory is that Yuki listens to Kyon because he's the only normal human being in SoS-dan. Since Yuki is an alien, she would not have a good grasp of the intricacies of human interaction.

His situation reminds me of Golan Trevize from the last couple (in story-timeline) Foundation books - The various human/alien/robot factions decide that he's the "normal person" who can best evaluate their plans and while he doesn't have to do much of anything himself, his decision will make the difference in which way the galaxy evolves. Wait, isn't that exactly what they said in ep 1 here? :-)

[Truth-kun]

C.A.'s explaination might be the correct one.

Just wait and see what Yuki tells Kyon on the climax of the anime.

[Lost]

It's really not that complicated lol

There's some hints that Yuki has developed feelings for Kyon. It started after Kyon brought her to the library, then Kyon told her that she's cuter without specs, it strengthed those feelings. Yuki mentioned on Haruhi's website that she likes the library, in the novels too.

She's listening to Kyon because of a simple reason, she doesn't want to upset him lol
Its probable that this has been discussed before, but how much feeling/emotion do you think Yuki is capable of? eg. romance, joy etc. Would that be the whole spectrum? Or is she just like a robot that follows explicit commands of a specific character without expression?

IMO, I think the fact that she doesnt show emotions doesnt mean she doesn't have them. So I would say that yeah, she is capable of love. But still, a human interface device.. hmmm.. :uhoh: What do you guys think?

Another point, I was watching Ep 11 again and I think another reason (more so than trust, imo) why Haruhi follows Kyon, is that he acknowledges her as head, "king" and that makes her happy, more willing to "share." Pretty human, really.

[Erhjegel]

It's really not that complicated lol

There's some hints that Yuki has developed feelings for Kyon. It started after Kyon brought her to the library, then Kyon told her that she's cuter without specs, it strengthed those feelings. Yuki mentioned on Haruhi's website that she likes the library, in the novels too.

She's listening to Kyon because of a simple reason, she doesn't want to upset him lol
Well, since she's pretty much "uninitiated" as to how humans handle such matters, Yuki's treatment of Kyon somehow reminds me of a child, timid and loyal. After all, she doesn't know how to handle such matters, but she doesn't want to disappoint him.

Also, the differences in Yuki's behavior in Someday in the Rain reinforces the fact that Yuki has something for Kyon. Again her behavior is really cute in that part, acting like a high school girl with a crush but is too embarrassed (or confused? lol) to show it.

...<3!

*suddenly joins the Nagato fanclub*

[Truth-kun]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on this one, because this topic is surely to be answered on the following episodes (Finale I think).

I agree with you that Yuki is capable of emotions (since Asakura is also capable IMO), but has little interface to show it. As Kyon said in Ep7, she might be getting lonely too, which I think she does.

(Also joins the Nagato Yuki fanclub. Yuki-ism anyone?)

[Erhjegel]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on this one, because this topic is surely to be answered on the following episodes (Finale I think).

I agree with you that Yuki is capable of emotions (since Asakura is also capable IMO), but has little interface to show it. As Kyon said in Ep7, she might be getting lonely too, which I think she does.

(Also joins the Nagato Yuki fanclub. Yuki-ism anyone?)
I'm not getting ahead of myself, but watching the episodes again, with all of my attention devoted to Yuki and taking note of any reactions that she shows, makes me see how her interaction with Kyon changes.

Also, though it's been noted before in the Episode 9 discussion thread, what surprises me was how Yuki just stops reading when Kyon was present. As iamandragon pointed out, Yuki was flipping the pages until Kyon got in the room, during which she suddenly stopped reading.

There could be others more but I'd rather leave it to people to find it themselves - makes it more rewarding that way! Just that the above scene is pretty damning in my eyes.

[Village Idiot]

Then again, every single member goes to Kyon for advice and whatnot... even Mikuru wants him there for several mission-critical objectives. Koizumi does more or less confide in him quite a bit about the state of being which... if told to the others might not work so well to his interest.

Kyon is person on the most solid footing comparing to any one of them. Furthermore, he cares genuinely and at times will call it when things are going too far regardless of who the individual is. It isn't just to how critical he is as an element to all of their mission but the fact that his solid footing means that he can steer far better than anyone else in the storm.

The other element though... it is clear that all of them like him. That I won't really comment.

The way I see it, Kyon's the only one that Yuki, Mikuru, and Itsuki can trust.

Each of the three have their own agenda, and if ordered to by their superiors, would go against/use the others to achieve their objectives.

Kyon's the only one that does not belong to a faction sent to observe Haruhi, and the only one that can actually influence her. In other words, he is neutral in all of this, and can be trusted. On the other hand, since he is the only one that can influence Haruhi, he is the ace in the deck.

[C.A.]

Actually Kyon is the only person the entire SOS-dan including/especially Haruhi, trusts.

Also somehow there's a phenomenon happening where Itsuki's name is changing to Izumi, the other person edited though :p

[Village Idiot]

I keep mistaking Itsuki's name for Izumi for some reason.

Happens every single time I write his name in threads.

[RiXeD]

DoS II Flash game:
http://void.heteml.jp/flash/tdos3/
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1125/11505783151613bb.th.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11505783151613bb.jpg)

[Jaden]

Hehe, this episode was just pure awesome!
Feel like playing something with cool space battles now...got Homeworld and Freelancer gathering dust somewhere at least. Or maybe I should pick up EVE Online again.

[RiXeD]

Hehe, this episode was just pure awesome!
Feel like playing something with cool space battles now...got Homeworld and Freelancer gathering dust somewhere at least. Or maybe I should pick up EVE Online again.

Check previous page for a list of freeware\shareware DoS-like games ^^

[aodu]

wasn't this game 4:5 (first one being suzumiya's side cuz mikuru is..well..) to begin with?

oh and can anybody plz tell me the time line? i tried to watch each ep's ending but it just got too confusing. The next ep (12) seem to be the only review that didin't lie ==

[Shirobane]

wasn't this game 4:5 (first one being suzumiya's side cuz mikuru is..well..) to begin with?

oh and can anybody plz tell me the time line? i tried to watch each ep's ending but it just got too confusing. The next ep (12) seem to be the only review that didin't lie ==
The episode previews don't lie, Kyon's numbering of the episodes is the order of the airing episodes whereas Haruhi's numbering of the episodes is the chronological ordering. Basically to watch the series in chronological order, we'll need to wait for the series to finish first since it is known that the last 2 episodes are, by Haruhi's count, episodes 5 and 6.

Also it's been circulating around at numerous places but:
http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/suzumiyaharuhi/haruhitimeline.gif
It's the listed timeline of the show taken from Memento

[Animexcel]

I like how the music of the game turns from blips from the computer to the orchestrated in the fantasy world lol it's such a weird melody xD but it works!

[SWPIGWANG]

Revelation! Appearently Nagato's program on like one screen has been reseached:

http://blog.proj.jp/ituki/20060615.html#f01

to echo the chinese source i found this from: does kyo-anime draw inside a time-warp zone?

[mog08]

sorry i managed to read 10 pages but not all.

Kyon's fleet.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3344/suzu11snap0129b8wr.jpg

i don't think this episode lacks plot at all. the whole show is not about suzumiya rather Kyon or so i believe. i gave it 10.

Yuki's a data lifeform. i find it hard to like her for that reason. she doesn't look particularly a female. probably won't sleep with men ever. probably don't have reproduction organs either.

[npal]

Yuki's a data lifeform. i find it hard to like her for that reason. she doesn't look particularly a female. probably won't sleep with men ever. probably don't have reproduction organs either.

And that's the reason you don't like Yuki?? :twitch:

[Vexx]

sorry i managed to read 10 pages but not all.

Yuki's a data lifeform. i find it hard to like her for that reason. she doesn't look particularly a female. probably won't sleep with men ever. probably don't have reproduction organs either.

Not making it out of the paper bag there :)
1) Yuki's body is very human ... its just that its been created and maintained by a data entity who can manipulate matter and energy.
2) She's a very classic female of the waifish type (they tend to age much better than the bloated ones, eh?)
3) If you watch the series... you'll see that the longer she's here and interacts with people, the more social she gets. By the last episode, she's implicitly stating she likes Kyon personally.
4) See remark (1) ... there's no reason for a data entity not to just make a complete human to interface through.... it'd be easier than leaving parts out.

[mog08]

i'm not saying i don't like yuki. i was suggesting that yuki is not human. and does not have personalities, nor interest, desires, or goals. Though i wondered what food she bought that one time. she is only here because suzumiya wished it. she's not meant to be liked. Nonetheless she's the most interesting "person" besides haruhi.

and yes i did have a hard time thinking whether she is female or male though it did not matter much. her breasts are small btw.

sorry if what i said doesn't make sense because i m watching Hikaru no go while writing it.

[Kittie Rose]

What was with the "I'm sending out the GUN*CENSORED*"? I presumed it was Gundam, making fun of some of the overpowered ones especially in Wing and SEED that tend to be Deus Ex Machina of sorts.