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2006-06-12, 14:09
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Catgirls
2006-06-12, 14:12
Originally Posted by Xellos-_^
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2chan link for ep11 is out: - http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/3024319.htm
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Omniscient
2006-06-12, 18:07
Episode 11 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/06/12/utawarerumono-11/)
One of the best episodes yet. I thought they did a very good job of Teoro's death scene, had me getting a little teary-eyed even. You see all of his friends with him in that scene, and it's not until later that you find out that indeed everyone died. And if that wasn't enough, this episode also introduces us to Touka and Orikakan.
don't touka and orikakan get like 3 minute cameos?
it's sad...so sad about this episode. eruruu and aruruu's home village is gone :(
I thought that whole scene with Sopoku and Teoro and the cherry blossoms was very well done and brings out one of the advantages of an animated adaptation. Touka's face just looks funny to me, though, and her voice sounds a bit funny but I can see where they are coming with that. Looking forward to the next episode with more Touka goodness.
that was a sad scene, especially teoro's death scene. not to mention aruruu breaking down
Yeah....gotta agree its a pretty sad episode. Btw, if its alright, can someone please give me an answer for the following question.
Why they calling Hakuoro Rakushain? Just who is this Rakushain? PM me if you're afraid of spoiling other people
nooooooo oji-sannnnnnnnn
T.T
Is Touka meant to be an interesting character? She's loosing marks in my books for what she's done so far (that is, if she's the one responsible for the destruction of you know where.
Is Touka meant to be an interesting character? She's loosing marks in my books for what she's done so far (that is, if she's the one responsible for the destruction of you know where.
In simpler terms, as far as I can tell, no, she isn't responsible. Her character wouldn't allow for it.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-13, 01:52
Touka is meant to be hellishly annoying at first
Hmm...really? I'm kinda pissed when I saw her in the screencaps by Omni. Say....is she with the bad guy or the good guy?
Hmm...really? I'm kinda pissed when I saw her in the screencaps by Omni. Say....is she with the bad guy or the good guy?
It would be a spoiler to say who is the "bad" guy and who is the "good" guy, but I'll just say she's on Orikakan's side.
As for Touka being annoying, objection! She's awesome where ever, whenever. She'll be even more awesome next episode when 「某としたことがっ！」 comes to play.
EDIT: Having actually watched the episode, I'm not quite convinced about Touka's voice actress. We shall see how she handles the signature line in the next episode. Personally I think I would've picked Asakawa Yuu (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=336) as Touka's VA.
Yeah....gotta agree its a pretty sad episode. Btw, if its alright, can someone please give me an answer for the following question.
Why they calling Hakuoro Rakushain? Just who is this Rakushain? PM me if you're afraid of spoiling other people
You will find out at the conclusion of this arc.
Hmm, Teoro's death scene was touching and all, but I thought it felt a bit awkward to see him suddenly bleed profusely while before he looked perfectly healthy. As if he was able to hold back his own blood the whole time or something...
And I was expecting a bit more of Touka's first appearance, but I guess we'll be seeing much more of her in the next episode. :) I did like how Karura blocked Touko's charge towards Hakuro, though her 「ちょうど退屈してたところですの」 could have used a bit more flair imo.
All in all not a bad episode, but it lacks the 'umpf' I expected this episode to have. The CG scenes look rather awkward and the battles all look pretty much the same to me, there's no real excitement there. I hope Touko will be showing us some better fights next episode. I also wonder whether the animators and voice actress of Touka will manage to catch her 'cute' side as well (people who have played the game should know what I mean ;)).
USCPharmacist
2006-06-14, 00:47
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO o Ojisan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well it was the first time we had aru chan speak that long
too bad it was for something this sad
kawaisoooooooo
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-14, 08:10
NooooooOooOooOoooOOoOoOooooOoO!!!
Aruruu-chan, Namida Ja Nai!!!!!! KAWAAISOOOOOO!!
(;_;)
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-14, 08:28
T_T...oyaji.... you died, NAZE? DOSHITE?? Aru-chan, naki janai no...tsuyoku ganbari ni~.~
it was a good episode, with Touka pissing me off with her blind justice like Shirou ~.~
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-14, 08:40
T_T...oyaji.... you died, NAZE? DOSHITE?? Aru-chan, naki janai no...tsuyoku ganbari ni~.~
it was a good episode, with Touka pissing me off with her blind justice like Shirou ~.~
oh well, at leased we know she has it coming for her can't wait for her to bow down to Hakuoro to be one of his ho's!!
Muwahahaha!!! Harem banzai. :D
wtf aru chan is still nearby when the ennemy charge
will we see some white tiger roxing next week
iv been wondering if mukuru had already tasted human flesh ?
USCPharmacist
2006-06-14, 09:43
I think is best not to let her taste any human....that might lead to trouble next time when she is hungry....
Srin Tuar
2006-06-14, 11:15
Wow, what a sad episode.
The village where this all started is burned down, with no survivors.
And the enemy who did it are seeking revenge for something Hakuoro did from the time before he lost his memory.
He's got to be feeling both pissed and guilt ridden at the same time...
And its too bad about teoro and his family, I really liked those characters.
Toonleap
2006-06-14, 12:55
This episode is good, but not great....
I found Teoro´s Death very odd indeed, improvised perhaps or unrealistic...I mean, He entered the scene looking fine and suddenly he died bleeding like that...everything after that looks very dramatic and superb (Teoro watching the ghosts of the people who died and joining them, the cherry blossoms, Aruru yelling and crying, Hakuoro shuttin up Oboro, Karura talking with Hakuoro and the battle and Touka´s first appearance...This episode deserved a perfect 10, but Teoro´s way of dying just spoil the whole thing, downgrading it to 8...the scene could have been done better....pity Teoro and the whole people of the village died...
Thats my personal opinion
This episode is good, but not great....
I found Teoro´s Death very odd indeed, improvised perhaps or unrealistic...I mean, He entered the scene looking fine and suddenly he died bleeding like that...everything after that looks very dramatic and superb (Teoro watching the ghosts of the people who died and joining them, the cherry blossoms, Aruru yelling and crying, Hakuoro shuttin up Oboro, Karura talking with Hakuoro and the battle and Touka´s first appearance...This episode deserved a perfect 10, but Teoro´s way of dying just spoil the whole thing, downgrading it to 8...the scene could have been done better....pity Teoro and the whole people of the village died...
Thats my personal opinion
Well, I guess if they screwed around with the camera angles it might have worked out better. He's supposed to have startled everyone so much and hid his wounds so well that nobody had noticed.
he obviously didnt want hakuoro to notice his injuries
that s why he lied about everyone beeing able to escape and him wanting to rest a bit
probably he didnt want him to feel guilty about it
Srin Tuar
2006-06-15, 14:29
he obviously didnt want hakuoro to notice his injuries
that s why he lied about everyone beeing able to escape and him wanting to rest a bit
probably he didnt want him to feel guilty about it
Agreed- he went out of his way to hide his injuries, probably cleaning himself up a bit before running in.
I felt that it was realistic- everyone was shocked about the sudden attack, and teoro's a tough guy, they just wouldnt expect that he had a fatal injury. He made a believable excuse about being tired.
Plus he lied about everyone being alive, to keep his firends from being distracted during the battle. They needed to be at their best to win past the immediate danger, he didnt want them worrying about him or his lost family. Noble and selfless actions, on teoro's part.
It was poignant and touching. Personally I have not yet seen a better death scene in an anime.
If you can name one, please try.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-15, 19:11
Roy Fokker death, in his valkyrie.
ROOOOOOOYY!!
:D
mikemil828
2006-06-15, 21:52
If you can name one, please try.
Wolfwood's death in Trigun was loads better
Thanks for all the non-Utawarerumono spoilers, guys. :uhoh:
well that was just to say teo's death wasnt badly done
more like it would have been badly done if he jumped in bleeding like hell and screaming "an chan everyone died"
Srin Tuar
2006-06-16, 11:36
Wolfwood's death in Trigun was loads better
Hrmmm, I watched that and it didnt reach me quite as well.
I agree it was a good death scene though.
But that guys flipping floppy friend/enemy/emo status, plus the super long drawn out
death episode, well it didnt quite have the subtlety and impact of teoro's.
I forget her name, the 2nd female character who had just decided she loved wolfwood,
the effect on her was pretty traumatic, and it really made you sorry for her.
But I just couldnt feel bad for wolfwood himself much.
Sigh, looks like this is going to be such a sad episode. And the raw isn't even out yet..
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-16, 20:12
what you mean? the raws been out since thurday
I know you have trouble finding your way around, but do try and keep up, me lad. :rolleyes:
:p
mikemil828
2006-06-16, 21:07
Thanks for all the non-Utawarerumono spoilers, guys. :uhoh:
Trigun is a 8 year old anime, I would think that 8 years would be enough for anyone who would care enough to watch the anime to have done so, much less worry about spoilers
But that guys flipping floppy friend/enemy/emo status, plus the super long drawn out
death episode, well it didnt quite have the subtlety and impact of teoro's.
I wonder if you really know what term emo means, or if you only used it as a general derogatory term regardless of context as it seems to be the rage these days. If anything Wolfwood was anti-emo.
Well if you think that Teoro's death had more 'impact' than Wolfwood's, that's your opinion, there are hundreds of other deaths that are equally as good if not better (more better than equal IMO)
what you mean? the raws been out since thurday
I know you have trouble finding your way around, but do try and keep up, me lad. :rolleyes:
:p
Ah?? Oops. Time Warp!! Sorry, was spending some time with Asahina in the past. Just got back.
J/k. Okay okay, I thought the place I usually go to was the definitive torrents site :heh:
Wheeeeee~! 11 is is hot off yesy's stoves, freshly subbed. *I'm hungry*
Whitemoon648
2006-06-22, 06:03
Mike , Please Edit your posts about spoilers from other series Because:
1) its off topic. 2) there are still some people who havent watched those anime. Trust me i know a bunch ( I have watched trigun).
Any ways back to the topic, It was a sad episode. Poor Aurruru and Eruru, they are just kids and have to endure so much pain.
Amaranthine
2006-06-22, 07:20
That was... suprisingly upsetting. :/ I didn't expect it to be, since I haven't felt particularly attached to the characters so far. But when the cherry blossom blew in and the other villagers appeared, I got a little misty eyed. It was a very well done scene. I also think it was believable... just about. There was a lot of blood when he died, but I suppose if he covered whatever wound he had then no one would have noticed in all the excitement.
I was kind of disappointed that Touka was barely shown, I've been looking forward to her appearance. I like how she looks, and I heard she fights using iaijutsu, which is awesome. ^^ But I'm not going to complain, having more of her would have taken time away from everything else that happened, and the episode wouldn't have been as good. In fact, I think that showing her and... that guy... (I read his name, but forgot it) just briefly is an effective way to end the episode. But I'm impatient. :p
Sorrow-K
2006-06-22, 07:21
Mixed feelings about this ep, mostly good, but a few bad.
The good: Teoro's death scene was, for the large part, executed well. It didn't quite have me in tears, but it was sad nonetheless. I think given that he never really did become more than a very likable side-character, the fact that his death could have the impact it did means they did do something right with it. Also, the report of the village's razing and Aruruu's breakdown did create what I think was the desired dramatic tension. I didn't approve of the fact that the report was given over Teoro's dead body, but I'll chalk it up to Hakuoro's continual "absolute honesty" policy when dealing with things relavent to Eruruu. I also thought the chloroform Aruruu moment was well done.
The bad: Chloroform Eruruu. What the hell? That didn't make any sense at all, given that Hakuoro has, to date, gone out of his way to be as completely open and honest with Eruruu about the reality of their various situations. I can see that he did it to protect her from the pain, but I ultimately saw it as a cop-out for her character. But the worst thing about it is that it wasn't executed great either, making it almost comical in a rather serious moment. The other thing I didn't approve of: the CG is started to get way to intrusive. I think it looked okay when it was used for distant panning shots of the armies to give an impression of their magnitude in the earlier episodes, but now that it's gotten closer, the detail just cannot match the background, and the overall look is ugly, particular the way they animate movement.
The intriguing: Looks like Hakuoro's past is about to catch up with him. Inevitable, though I'm surprised it happened this quick. Also inevitable is that he did some rather unbecoming things before his memory loss, though I can't help but suspect that the extent of it is going to be the real surprise.
Amaranthine
2006-06-22, 07:27
The bad: Chloroform Eruruu. What the hell?
Oh, I totally forgot about that. I agree; it was weird and poorly done. It was suprised when Eruruu did it to Aruruu, but then I realised it made sense, because she was really freaking out. But it felt wrong when it was done to Eruruu.
Oh, I totally forgot about that. I agree; it was weird and poorly done. It was suprised when Eruruu did it to Aruruu, but then I realised it made sense, because she was really freaking out. But it felt wrong when it was done to Eruruu.
I don't think that was poorly executed. Hakuoro know Eruruu better than anyone there, and most probably he could see she was on the verge of a emotional breakdown too, just like Aruruu. After all, all her old friends died, and her homeland was burned to ashes. The two sisters lost almost everything, so saying Eruruu was fine was a lie and denial. No one could be 'fine' after all that... specially Eruruu. Just remember how many time she passed still sad for her grandmother's death. :sad:
Unfortunately, Hakuoro - being the emperor - had not the time to give the two sisters the consolation they both need, so he decided to make her sleep too in order to calm down and settle her feelings. Later, he will embrace her.
thundrakkon
2006-06-22, 10:23
Overall, it was a really good episode. My main complaint Teoro's charge into the palace. It just felt disjointed. I mean, a whole squadron entered into the country, fought a town that put a defensive position, razed and wiped out the village, and no army guards knew about it to report to Hakuoro? Furthermore, they allowed that squad to make it all the way to the imperial palace?
Other than that, it was a great episode. Aruruu crying... it's just not right... one would kill just to stop those tears from falling.
This episode definitely deserve some high points for some Hakuoro and Eruruu moments, especially where he goes to her side in bed to "care" for her, and she holds onto his hand. So touching.
Aruruu stating that Hakuoro is "scary" points to a darker side in him. Hopefully, hearing those words will snap Hakuoro back into shape.
Furthermore, I believe that Hakuoro is not as bad as was believed by that insane army. I bet he was framed or controlled somehow. Otherwise Shinn... err... I mean Touka with her sense of "justice" would not join Hakuoro.
Amaranthine
2006-06-22, 11:08
I don't think that was poorly executed. Hakuoro know Eruruu better than anyone there, and most probably he could see she was on the verge of a emotional breakdown too, just like Aruruu. After all, all her old friends died, and her homeland was burned to ashes. The two sisters lost almost everything, so saying Eruruu was fine was a lie and denial. No one could be 'fine' after all that... specially Eruruu. Just remember how many time she passed still sad for her grandmother's death. :sad:
Unfortunately, Hakuoro - being the emperor - had not the time to give the two sisters the consolation they both need, so he decided to make her sleep too in order to calm down and settle her feelings. Later, he will embrace her.
By "poorly done", I was referring to the way it was shown, not just the act itself. Like Sorrow-K said, in a way it was almost comical. I suppose thinking about it more, it does fit in with Hakuoro's personality. He's a decisive guy, if he decided it was for her best I'm sure he'd just go ahead and hold it to her face like that. But still, it could have been shown differently. I can't pinpoint exactly what it was that was wrong, but something about the way it was shown didn't seem right to me.
You have made me reconsider a bit though. Maybe it's just that I didn't like that scene, and I think that Hakuoro shouldn't have done it. Of course, that doesn't mean that it's not in character for him to do it. I still believe that normally he wouldn't have, but it was hardly a normal situation.
So... a bit of thought and consideration afterwards, and I can pretty much accept the scene. But that furthers the point that it wasn't executed as well as it could have been; it was an emotional scene, and to have to mentally step back from that and think about it detracts from it. IMO, I should have been able to "feel" why Hakuoro did it. It may well because of the way I think though, other people could see it differently, or accept it more easily, or whatever.
But in the end, it's only one scene. The rest of the episode was great, so it doesn't much matter. ^^
You have a point. That scene could be executed better if they had showed Hakuoro's face filled with concern and caring for Eruruu and Aruruu. Then his action would be understood better.
Talking about faces, anyone else here thought the look Karura gave to Hakuoro when they were talking about the 'dead soldiers' was creepy? I mean, she looked to be distrusting at Hakuoro and she could kill him anytime...
Mishotaki
2006-06-22, 12:47
am i the only one that is starting to lose interest due to the many "time warps" between scenes? and so many things that make the story a lot less interesting...
i mean, the story is great... but you get lost sometimes because you have no idea that there seems to have passed a few months in a couple of seconds in between the scenes.... and the situation completely changed for the interaction between one character and another...
Ah no, I'd say Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuuutsu has made me immune to any "time warp" effects
Toonleap
2006-06-22, 13:52
am i the only one that is starting to lose interest due to the many "time warps" between scenes? and so many things that make the story a lot less interesting...
i mean, the story is great... but you get lost sometimes because you have no idea that there seems to have passed a few months in a couple of seconds in between the scenes.... and the situation completely changed for the interaction between one character and another...
Well, I am not losing interest at all, but I hope for the rest of the series, I want to see some harem action / sexual tension between Hakuoro and his harem...since episode 1, theres no real love development, but I hope once all the girls are presented, that will happen soon...otherwise, I will probably lost interest, said probably...because the series is so cool that I want to see what happens until the very end....(lucky that I dont read game spoilers)....:heh:
Well, I am not losing interest at all, but I hope for the rest of the series, I want to see some harem action / sexual tension between Hakuoro and his harem...since episode 1, theres no real love development, but I hope once all the girls are presented, that will happen soon...otherwise, I will probably lost interest, said probably...because the series is so cool that I want to see what happens until the very end....(lucky that I dont read game spoilers)....:heh:
I would be disappointed if they put romance into the forefront. An episode or two of comedy, maybe, but Utawarerumono is not about some romance story with war as a setting. It's an epic story with a few elements of romance that would naturally be present in such a tale, but would not necessarily be the main point of the tale.
am i the only one that is starting to lose interest due to the many "time warps" between scenes? and so many things that make the story a lot less interesting...
Yeah, the time warps from time to time are a bit disconcerting. I would've liked if they had little titles on the top of the screen or something between major jumps. Like "1 month later..." Maybe unannounced time warps work better in prose, because there's a lot more clues about it in the text and the reader has all the time in the world to read into them. Well, at least you know when they are actually going back in time. :D
You have a point. That scene could be executed better if they had showed Hakuoro's face filled with concern and caring for Eruruu and Aruruu. Then his action would be understood better.
Now *that* may end up being too cliched. Maybe something like Hakuoro clasping Eruruw's hand, and then together, shakingly, he brings it slowly to her face? Frankly, the current scene felt a little odd at first, but it fits once you think about it.
Xellos-_^
2006-06-22, 14:10
Ah no, I'd say Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuuutsu has made me immune to any "time warp" effects
The only yhing I want to do is put down how much time has pass. It is 2 days form the last Ep or 2 months. Thats all I need to know.
ritalman
2006-06-22, 15:03
I don't think this information is really relevant.
Of course that mask can also make Hakuoro's emotions appear to be misleading too. Yet all of the emotions of within Hakuoro, not that we do see him wailing away, but that for us to wonder, to have to wonder how far he feels about the whole mess. Shocked if anything at first he seems,.. maybe even an tug of war between on how he really feels at to what he wants to do, and to what he is supposed to do as Emperor. Funny (yet sad) thing is even after all that, all that was needed was one more push, to get to what we have now at the end of this episode.
But that battle within Hakuoro's own self, this also as being an father, hell, the girls would've had to of been told sooner or later. Probably better sooner as to the later would end up in many wondering why he would keep such important information from them,.. that as the later being the coldest path to walk no matter how one would try to break it.
But that last push after, tore him apart. In front of everyone, the girls, the army, eventually without explanation to an stronger course of action, weak and uncaring Hakuoro would seem. An forced hand practically.
... That scene could be executed better if they had showed Hakuoro's face filled with concern and caring for Eruruu and Aruruu. Then his action would be understood better. ...
If as to Eruruu's action and reaction, pain upon pain for the girls. And as that pain hits, hits not just Hakuoro, but hits just about everyone around them. That Hakuoro as an father and as an Emperor, to perhaps feel that he failed them, probably pains him the most.
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am i the only one that is starting to lose interest due to the many "time warps" between scenes? and so many things that make the story a lot less interesting...
i mean, the story is great... but you get lost sometimes because you have no idea that there seems to have passed a few months in a couple of seconds in between the scenes.... and the situation completely changed for the interaction between one character and another...
Maybe not for this episode. Time, in that long enough that their tears have passed, and are now bottled up inside.
Still watching. Sad. Very sad. Poor poor Aruruu. Brought me close to tears.
Talking about faces, anyone else here thought the look Karura gave to Hakuoro when they were talking about the 'dead soldiers' was creepy? I mean, she looked to be distrusting at Hakuoro and she could kill him anytime...
Yep, you are right, but no, it wasnt the distrusting look. It was the "I'm-here-on-a-information-recovering-mission" look. It struck me as the kind of staring look that reaches deep into a person; whether in the pursuit of information for selfish gain, or whether to find out more about her "master" and decide if serving him would be wise, I do not know.
If as to Eruruu's action and reaction, pain upon pain for the girls. And as that pain hits, hits not just Hakuoro, but hits just about everyone around them. That Hakuoro as an father and as an Emperor, to perhaps feel that he failed them, probably pains him the most.
About that, you just need to look into his eyes to see the pain.
I also noticed that Eruruu did not struggle. She wouldn't be knocked out straight away, and if she didnt want to be chloroform'ed, she would have struggled. But she didnt. Thats why I think she realised what Hakuoro was doing, and also wanted to go to sleep to prevent her heart from being crushed.
Nice episode on the whole, but suffered in two points.
First, what I think has been plaguing this series, a failure to carry thru with emotional potential. Hmm.. how do I put this; okay: this episode had a lot of wasted emotional potential. It could have made me cry, but it didnt, because all the sad parts, and parts that could have been sad, were skimmed over rather quickly. As such, what I felt happened was that my emotions were built up, but not enough to the point for me to release them; like a failed climax (no particular reference intended) - that really leaves you feeling unsatisfied.
Yes, I'm an emo-freak, whatever, but again, this superficiality (as I see it) is putting me off.
Second, the part where Oyaji sees his wife and villagers felt like fanservice. I hate sequences where a dying person sees his dead loved ones and walks off into the mist with them. It just feels so much like its been put there for the sake of comforting the viewers. I would rather have Oyaji mourning for his wife while he lay dying. Thats real, that hits you hard, and thats what I want.
Sigh. (If I sound curt its because I'm unsatisfied, and its 4:43 in the morning here and I haven slept yet)
I think the good points have all been touched on by you guys.
So, the plot gets thicker. Traitorous brother-in-law eh? Interesting. (But I'd hate if Eruruu's village was razed due to a misunderstanding)
I didnt think there were any time warps. Am I missing something?
That's why i said earlier this series could be even better if were more than 26 episodes. That way they would have the time necessary to explore all the characters better... and put time transitions better. They're wasting too much funny and emotional potential. :(
That, or two seasons for cover all the history of the game.
Finally caught up with this series.
I think it is a good series so far. I just saw episode 11 and well, episode 12 as well and it's true the plot is getting thicker.
Rak Shine wa dare da?
This series have what it takes to move people but it is not well-used and well-done so far. It lacks this magical thing I found in Fate/Stay Night which in fact put me on the verge of crying (I had to struggle to not let the damn tear slip down my cheek). I still like this series though, and I hope this "like" will turn into "love" soon enough. Only problem, I haven't played the game and I'll probably miss things here and there; which wasn't the case with Fate.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-22, 17:48
In my opinion... this is not a romance series
A couple of things didn't make sense to me...
If their sole purpose is to kill Hakuoro aka Rak Shine, in the name of justice and honor according to Touka, why do something like razing a farming village wiping out everyone including women, children and elderly?
Also, imo there is no way that Teoro could have concealed such a fatal wound. All the time you see nothing until suddenly he starts bleeding like crazy once everyone is gone. Too convenient, I'm not buying it.
Other than that, this was a decent episode, and Hakuoro's past has finally surfaced. Unfortunately, he's still clueless about it.
PhantomX
2006-06-22, 19:35
I was surprised that Hakurou had family ...
I have to agree with Trax about the wound though. It would've been perfect if the had just bled on the post and slid down and passed on, but they HAD to add the humongous pooling of blood which took away all believability :\
ChainLegacy
2006-06-22, 20:36
A couple of things didn't make sense to me...
If their sole purpose is to kill Hakuoro aka Rak Shine, in the name of justice and honor according to Touka, why do something like razing a farming village wiping out everyone including women, children and elderly?
This is pretty much how I felt. That is just as criminal as anything, so they deserve to be run over by a truck for that. Seriously, this episode impacted me emotionally more than any before in this series. I'm really interested in Hakuoro's past, as well. Can someone who was once bad lose his memory and become such a good guy?
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-06-22, 20:41
Most depressing episode in a while.
That's not to say it was bad. Actually, every tiny little bit of the episode I enjoyed fully.
It's sad that Teoro died. I predicted first that his wife would die, then that he would die. Little did I know EVERYONE would die. I also miss that crazy old dude who insisted on not letting all the youngin's do all the work.
Rak Shine? Somehow, I don't give much credence to this new bombshell. I think it may just be a case of mistaken identity.
Second, the part where Oyaji sees his wife and villagers felt like fanservice. I hate sequences where a dying person sees his dead loved ones and walks off into the mist with them. It just feels so much like its been put there for the sake of comforting the viewers. I would rather have Oyaji mourning for his wife while he lay dying. Thats real, that hits you hard, and thats what I want.
I think, in this case, it's not quite that bad. For one thing, the viewers don't know yet (although they may suspect) what happened to the village and the people. In this case, it is more of a device to hint at what happened to them.
As for Rak Shine ...
I don't think it is a case of mistaken identity. Nor do I think Hakuoro really did anything devilish previously. His character being the way it is, I'm sure he was acting in an upright fashion, possibly in opposition to whoever his brother-in-law was.
ImClueless
2006-06-23, 01:15
A couple of things didn't make sense to me...
If their sole purpose is to kill Hakuoro aka Rak Shine, in the name of justice and honor according to Touka, why do something like razing a farming village wiping out everyone including women, children and elderly?
I thought destroying the village made a lot of sense if you remember what that dying enemy soldier was ranting about. They didn't just want Hakuoro dead, they also wanted him to suffer as well. Therefore they might have know that he was close to the villagers and bye killing them made Hakuoro feel pain. Which according to that soldier made them happy. :eyebrow:
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-06-23, 01:15
It looks like Oboro gets another chance to job next episode.
New sig btw.
ritalman
2006-06-23, 01:53
Can someone who was once bad lose his memory and become such a good guy?
Mmmh Total Recall?
I thought destroying the village made a lot of sense if you remember what that dying enemy soldier was ranting about. They didn't just want Hakuoro dead, they also wanted him to suffer as well. Therefore they might have know that he was close to the villagers and bye killing them made Hakuoro feel pain. Which according to that soldier made them happy. :eyebrow:
Yup, these invaders were totally driven by an utter hate that they have turned into "dead men," no longer afraid of death. I think it was more that Yamayura happened to be in the middle of their onslaught and in their mad frenzy, they simply rampaged through. Remember, these are men mad enough to not care about death and not care about defensive positions. They are driven to ramming themselves against an impenetrable defensive line.
My guess is that Touka was simply not present at the raid, as she may have been moving on her own.
Tiberium Wolf
2006-06-23, 06:16
I find it strange after watching the ep that Teoro die like that. I mean he wasn't bleeding nor did have any woods and then splash!!! Lots of blood all over the place.
Still, making him want to suffer doesn't mean they have to kill off anyone that they come across. Their goal was Hakuoro, why waste time in such a village. Which just happens to be the village he was staying at for a while, which seems a little too convenient yet again.
Although there is also the possibility it was done on purpose, if they found out that that village had been harboring Hakuoro for a while and he would have an attachment to it. This might not be too farfetched, since my impression of Kuccha Keccha is that their soldiers seem like they're fanatics, like some kind of cult. My guess would be that the treachery that Hakuoro committed was simply stand up against them or merely trying to escape from the madness. I doubt he really did anything criminal at this point.
Eventhough you can make up an explanation for their attack on the village, I still feel it came out of nowhere. Something that has been plagueing this series for a while now imo is the fact that things seem to happen out of nowhere, and the pacing is awkward at times.
Still, making him want to suffer doesn't mean they have to kill off anyone that they come across. Their goal was Hakuoro, why waste time in such a village. Which just happens to be the village he was staying at for a while, which seems a little too convenient yet again.
Although there is also the possibility it was done on purpose, if they found out that that village had been harboring Hakuoro for a while and he would have an attachment to it. This might not be too farfetched, since my impression of Kuccha Keccha is that their soldiers seem like they're fanatics, like some kind of cult. My guess would be that the treachery that Hakuoro committed was simply stand up against them or merely trying to escape from the madness. I doubt he really did anything criminal at this point.
Eventhough you can make up an explanation for their attack on the village, I still feel it came out of nowhere. Something that has been plagueing this series for a while now imo is the fact that things seem to happen out of nowhere, and the pacing is awkward at times.
When I saw that last part about the brother-in-law, I was wondering if their army (the ones who razed Eruruu's village, Yamayura) were actually the "good guys." For all you know, Rak Shine might have razed plenty of their villages and killed their wives/children/parents too. The sad thing that struck me was that Hakuoro had no idea what he did.
Sigh, Aruruu's crying was sad. Watching it again, I have to give credit to the way they pulled that off, it was brillantly executed, the tremble in her voice, her rebellious "No" giving way to grief... it really touched me. Still. Even sadder that they ended the scene so soon.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-06-23, 12:59
Was anyone else hoping that Dorii and Gura would shoot that last warrior who was laughing maniacally?
Was anyone else hoping that Dorii and Gura would shoot that last warrior who was laughing maniacally?
I do! If I were them, I should've shot that soldier to shut himself up...and to provide mercy killing because he's in a lot of pain :heh:
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-06-23, 13:50
Naw, I would have shot him just because he was getting on my nerves.
Something I didn't mention earlier. I actually liked Teoro more than Hakuoro's current hero units (Eruruu and Aruruu are excepted since they're not really in his army). He was like the guy you like to hang out with in the bar and get plastered every night. But something told me, even before the preview for this episode, that someone as cool as him wouldn't be allowed to live on.
But why did they have to kill off the Crazy Old Bastard and the Helpful and Eager Little Urchin? I was cheering in episode 7 when they took turns hacking away at that one soldier.
I presume the Dude Who Looks Like A Goat is dead too.
Was anyone else hoping that Dorii and Gura would shoot that last warrior who was laughing maniacally?
Well, actually, I was afraid they would, coz the only logical site for arrow entry was the face (that was the part the screen was zoomed in), and I didnt particularly want to see brains gushing out or eyeballs dislodging :heh:
But something told me, even before the preview for this episode, that someone as cool as him wouldn't be allowed to live on.
Strangely, I felt the same. It was his wife that gave it away for me. Somehow, they were too happy.
Well, actually, I was afraid they would, coz the only logical site for arrow entry was the face (that was the part the screen was zoomed in), and I didnt particularly want to see brains gushing out or eyeballs dislodging :heh:
Actually, I was kind of hoping one of those twins would've shot the arrow. That in just paper-cutting his face, guy laughs some more, as and while that same arrow finding its way to the backside of the front gate. In that, cutting through an counter weight rope. Thereby, causing the wooden pike barricade to retract into the ground, crushing the guy in the process. Insert witty comment from one of the characters regarding pain, and operation badass would be a go.
thundrakkon
2006-06-24, 02:24
If Hakuoro is the "younger brother-in-law," it could be interpreted in two ways in English:
1) He married the younger sister of that guy
2) Hakuoro had a sister, and that guy married her
There is more distinction as to relationships in the Asian language, so I was wondering which one it was? It is hard to tell with this translation.
They use 義弟, which, from the definition, looks like either:
1) A younger brother in law, whether it's your spouse's kid brother or your younger sister's husband, etc.
2) Unrelated by blood, but rather a younger brother with whom you had exchanged a vow of brotherhood.
Episode 11 was pretty upsetting.. it start for me when we seen Oyaji cross to the other side, though Aruruu stole the show with her shinning upsetting moment.
& yes, looks like we've finally got a lil' information about Hakuoro.. though this episode needed a lot more Karura. ;_;
Gotta love the amount of emotion Hakuoro shown of in this episode.. even more he found out a lil' bit about his past, there's so much to this guy its un-true.
This was a rollercoaster ride of emotions for this episode. Hakuoro for the first time ever displays his raw emotions, burdened by the hundreds of innocents that perished; people of his country he sworn to protect.
I'm a little disappointed that the deaths of the village and the old man were predicted too sooner and explicitly.
For example:
1. The cloudy, rainy skies.
2. The eerie wind blowing the sakura petals.
3. Old man standing without uttering words watching Hakuoro leave.
Anyways, the calamity that struck Tusukuru country made Hakuoro to bond closer with Eruruu & Aruruu, after remaining distant from them to fulfill political matters.
A touching detail of this was the sleepy Eruruu holding on Hakuoro's right-hand, reminding him that before being a leader he's first a man.
If the soundtrack was extraordinaire in previous episodes, here is flawless. It conveys the atmosphere of grief, anger, and frustration for Hakuoro incapable to understand the raw actions of Kuccha Keccha.
As for Kuccha Keccha... ...
The leader discloses the first hints about Hakuoro's identity, and it could quite mean that Hakuoro originally hailed from that country. Moreover, the man addresses Hakuoro as Rak Shine, his younger brother-in-law.
But why Kuccha Keccha goes to insane measures as to continuously sacrifice platoons over platoons of soldiers that do not care to die and even raze entire villages of Tusukuru for just attempting to murder one man, Hakuoro?
There has to be something dangerous or I may say evil within Hakuoro for Kuccha Keccha to embark on extreme warfare measures just to dispose of one man.
And also, Rak Shine may or may not be Hakuoro's real name. I think it could be a title to refer for heretic, criminal, enemy of the state, cast away, or to label an entity that's dangerous or not from this world.
Deathkillz
2006-06-25, 10:39
poor aruruu...i felt really sorry for her when she was trying to wake up Oyaji and hakuoro explain that he has gone to where her grandma is just breaks aruruu's little heart :(
i think the leader from Kuccha Keccha is right in accusing hakuoro as being a criminal...maybe he did do something terrible before he lost his memory...that would put a twist in the story seen as most ppl expect hakuoro to be the good guy...even before he lost his memory...maybe he got posessed by something and killed a lot of ppl commanding an army? would explain why hes such a good tactician and cold blooded killer...
Sinestra
2006-06-25, 14:49
This episode was definetly a sad one. I mean where it all started was destroyed and everyone was killed, and poor Aruruu and Eruruu i think out of the all the charcters i am most attached ti those 2 so seeing them both basically wig out out over Oyaji's death was painful. I did not agree with how Oyaji's death was done maybe it was the camera angels or the fact that the blood only started to show after everyone had left. I guess in the next episode we will find out Haruokos true idenity. The opposing army obviuosly knows him its kind of hard to mistake that mask. But Aruruu and Eruruu are right in the middle of the fighting i hope nothing happens to them.
thundrakkon
2006-06-26, 00:27
Thanks, zalas, for the little brother-in-law answer; athough, I guess I will have to wait until the next episode before I can figure out which one it is, hopefully.
Oh, did anyone else notice the hypocrisy they showed from Oboro? In the beginning of the show, he was stating that peace is good and the others just want to fight. Then later on, he is the first one to want to fight after Teoro's death. Just a little more depth into his character.
You'll get a slight clarification on the brother-in-law thing once you see episode 13.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-06-27, 00:41
*will NOT NOT NOT say nasty things about [yesy]*
thundrakkon
2006-06-27, 01:41
What you actually wanted to say was that ALL the sub groups are doing an excellent job, and they should keep up the good work, right Cardiac Glycoside? ;)
Quality takes time, and people have lives. I am just so happy that there are such wonderful people in this world willing to take their time to spread what they enjoy to others. :)
At least 2 more episodes for this arc, eh? Awesome, I can't wait to find out more.
One other thing that kind of bugged me. Hakuoro usually is shown strategizing over his move. In this episode, it just looks like he is marching forward into a country and fell right into their trap. It is a bit uncharacteristic of him.
What you actually wanted to say was that ALL the sub groups are doing an excellent job, and they should keep up the good work, right Cardiac Glycoside? ;)
Quality takes time, and people have lives. I am just so happy that there are such wonderful people in this world willing to take their time to spread what they enjoy to others. :)
At least 2 more episodes for this arc, eh? Awesome, I can't wait to find out more.
One other thing that kind of bugged me. Hakuoro usually is shown strategizing over his move. In this episode, it just looks like he is marching forward into a country and fell right into their trap. It is a bit uncharacteristic of him.
Even if I were a rational thinker and plan out all my attacks, I would still be a bit flustered if a large portion of my friends were brutally murdered. I think this shows that Hakuoro isn't some guy who can take anything and still keep his calm.
thundrakkon
2006-06-28, 15:01
Still, taking the majority of your army and invading another country would take some sort of planning. It just appears he lacked it.
Furthermore, he will probably defeat them, but what about the after effects? If even the soldiers of Kuccha Keccha hate him so much, what will subjugating the country do? They will always want to rebel, unless he plans on eliminating the whole army. I guess the only other way out of this is that they were misled, and Hakuoro was innocent.
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