The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 26 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 12]

[Catgirls]

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[Xebek]

We actually get an episode number that matches up with its timeline placement :D

[Pakxenon]

I can't wait to listen to the insert songs they're going to put here!

And Yuki with a guitar! And maid costumes!

[Shirobane]

Yay for another Haruhi development episode :D I can hardly wait another 12hrs for the raws!

[IchiKyo]

Can't wait 7hrs for the Images :D
It will be a funny Episode with Music 8)
And Tsuruya Maid :D

[M.D. Geist]

Can't wait 7hrs for the Images :D
It will be a funny Episode with Music 8)
And Tsuruya Maid :D

First images have arrived on 4chan

Any news from 2chan? ^^

[rain...]

Can't wait 7hrs for the Images
It will be a funny Episode with Music 8)
And Tsuruya Maid

Not forgetting Mikuru meido costume 2 :D

Let's see how Aya Hirano/Haruhi performs. This part is definately big in Haruhi developement.

[Village Idiot]

Images:

/links expired. Now hot p0rn.

Pics does not do this episode justice. You have to watch the episode and HEAR HER SING! :D

[Moogster]

FOOOO!!! Haddo Gei! :D

[PhantomX]

Rats ... someone's already wearing the waitress Tsuruya avvy ...

This episode should be entertaining ... heh, I also like how they keep giving us Kyon x Haruhi episodes and moments to prepare us ..

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'm willing to bet the episode was chosen from the pool of chapters SOLELY for the reason that they WANT Aya Hirano to sing so they can release a CD and make lots of cash. I'm expecting this to be a fairly weak episode, but who knows I may be surprised, not that it matters because its deserves a 10 ROFL!!!!

[M.D. Geist]

@novel
does haruhi sing her song in bunny costume there, too ? ^^

[Village Idiot]

Look at the screenshots.

Yes.

[M.D. Geist]

Look at the screenshots.

Yes.

i know that she sings the song in a bunny costume in the anime
i asked if its the same in the novel :eyespin:

[Village Idiot]

Yes she does.

[C.A.]

Raws are out! Downloading now, sleeping and watching tomorrow, goodnight everyone!

[kari-no-sugata]

Bit surprised there aren't more replies/votes yet.

Been a while since we last had an ep dominated by Kyon and Haruhi. (Not that that's a bad thing).


PS Yuki's fortune telling was fun :)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Detail catch!

At 7:12~7:13, you can see Haruhi and Yuki ran down the hallway with electric guitars on their backs, in the blurred background.:D

[Woland]

Detail catch!

At 7:12~7:13, you can see Haruhi and Yuki ran down the hallway with electric guitars on their backs, in the blurred background.:D

Go back to 4:34~4:35 to catch the other 2 members of the band ;)

[Kaoru Chujo]

Not sure exactly why, but through the last part of the episode, my chest was heavy with emotion -- pity, love, admiration? -- for Haruhi. Hirano Aya sugoi! Mikuru, Kyon, Yuki -- they're all great. But this is a show about Haruhi, and she's the star. So complex. So alive. So desperate. And despite her aggressiveness and cruelty, so cute.

Like episode 9, this is an emotional highlight of the series for me. Whether I can give it a ten or not, I don't know. The singing was certainly partly there for a future CD, and it took a while for the episode to get where it was going. But the emotional aspect of the episode, for me, was just wonderful.

[stormy001_M1A2]

2 more eps to go.

I have to admit, Tsuruya in maid costume is incredibly cute. @_@

[bluemist]

Can somebody tell me WHAT THE HECK IS THIS?

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[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Can somebody tell me WHAT THE HECK IS THIS?

/links expired. Now hot p0rn.
An accusation that either the real life idol group or KyonAni had stolen dance moves from the other.

I doubt it. There are only so many "hip" dance moves, especially when restricted to the same type of music.

[dxgarten]

Episode 12 screencaps and summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_ep12.html)

Another nice slice of life episode for the series. This time it's even better because it features the singing voice of Hirano Aya

[Truth-kun]

I gave this ep a 9, though I only watched the raw (so basically I can't understand every word they are saying, and I'm using the preview on baka-tsuki as a guide). The episode is a great emotional one, and shows another side of Haruhi before the last two action-packed episodes.

Ah yes, the animation on the instrument playing was superb and very realistic (might even match up to Beck), plus the closeup solo of Yuki is probably the coolest one of all the episodes. Aya Hirano's voice was so cool I didn't know she could do Emo Rock. I merely thought she was a pop-star, but her voice is so good that it convinced me that she might be a rockstar instead. XD

OMFG ITS HARD-O GAY!? and whos the dude beside him, harassing Kyon!?

Tsuruya in a cosume = wow <3.

[RiXeD]

THE HECK?! 0_o
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8686/noyuuutsu1245lg5cy.jpg
Kyon smiles TO HARUHI?! xO

Damn, I haven`t seen THAT coming!


And this one:
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2317/noyuuutsu1236lg3yp.jpg

I strongly request a wallpaper version!

[Truth-kun]

THE HECK?! 0_o
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8686/noyuuutsu1245lg5cy.jpg
Kyon smiles TO HARUHI?! xO



Uhh, I think Kyon smiled at Haruhi before (Episode 4 I think, Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya).
EDIT: Come to think of it, if you compare the two smiling pictures, thats the best smile Kyon ever gave to Haruhi. Hahaha

[eVaX]

W. O. W.

I don't think it'd be too far fetched to say that the concert animation in this episode is among the best this season let alone the series. The little details in the BG building up to the actual show was pretty funny too. The music was pretty awesome too. :)

And the development and growth of Haruhi was really touching at the end. A fantastic episode with everyone being shown their characteristic strengths except Mikuru's. But as the series progresses it's becoming painfully obvious that she is quickly becoming the most two dimensional character.

[Katapan]

Hirano Aya is awesome. That is all.

I knew we could expect great singing, after the classical singing she'd done for Canvas 2, but this was great in a different way. The scene gave out so much energy, along with the so well done animation. And once the song's over, we get to hear such a cute Haruhi. Who would have thought the Mikuru-molester could ever be so damn adorable? Aww, the tone in her voice :love:

The end scene under the tree was also very nice, Haruhi showing even more cuteness. I like the evolution between the two, Haruhi doesn't drag Kyon around by his clothes too often anymore, she takes his hand instead.

Also, yay for Tsuruya-maido's apparition! I just love her genkiness. The scene with her also showed that Kyon isn't your typical male lead, not being charmed by the maido outfit unlike Kunikida and Taniguchi :p

[Mentar]

I think, you definitely want to read the novel chapter for this episode - otherwise ALOT of important details will be missed (Kyon was particularly quiet in the anime version, but NOT in the novel, of course).

Novel chapter (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Volume6_Live_A_Liv e)

[eVaX]

Haruhi doesn't drag Kyon around by his clothes anymore, she takes his hand instead.

Nope, good ol' tie grabbing Haruhi is still around.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6251/tiegrab0fm.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tiegrab0fm.jpg)

[Incoan]

Just watched the episode... Aww~ ,how nice of Haruhi to help that girlband :D. What I really never expected from this girl is that she would ever sincerely help someone in trouble (and that she would be such a singer . Of course , the tribute also goes to VA ). Definitely , I begin to like her character more and more.

And I loved how they animated the concert : Yuki soloing on the guitar , lips movements, Haruhi sweating , camera angles etc. etc. ... Man, KyoAni really puts a lot of effort into this series. XD (the last time I've seen something close to this level was in Beck . But maybe I just watch too little anime )

Also, yay for Tsuruya-maido's apparition! I just love her genkiness. The scene with her also showed that Kyon isn't your typical male lead, not being charmed by the maido outfit unlike Kunikida and Taniguchi :p
He gets to see Asahina in the maid uniform every day, of course he would get used to seeing stuff like that :heh:

[Katapan]

Nope, good ol' tie grabbing Haruhi is still around.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6251/tiegrab0fm.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tiegrab0fm.jpg)

Oops, just when I was thinking we were getting some obvious character development. Haruhi just can't help being Haruhi in the end ;) I guess the last scene when she takes his hand still keeps somewhat of its meaning, though, especially combined with the fact that she wanted Kyon to be around when facing the band's girls.

[Vexx]

Sounds like we're moving towards the finish on a more "human level" channel (Kyon and Haruhi's bond) ... can't wait to see this, must find a Shinto bell to ring and pray our friendly fansubbers can share it at their previously established pace.... Absolutely great work on this fansub project.

[arias]

Oops, just when I was thinking we were getting some obvious character development. Haruhi just can't help being Haruhi in the end ;) I guess the last scene when she takes his hand still keeps somewhat of its meaning, though, especially combined with the fact that she wanted Kyon to be around when facing the band's girls.

Extra bit of development from the novel:


In the novel, Kyon finds Haruhi under a tree because (paraphrased) "for some reason, his body directed him there".. it was an unconscious process, an invisible pull. Possibly a sign of Haruhi's desire to have him there while she was lying down at the tree.

[moyism]

Feels like I'm spamming this but I figure some folks may enjoy this:

Aya Hirano (Haruhi Suzumiya) - God Knows (TV RIP LO-RES) (2:39) (28MB) (http://moyism.com/tmp/Aya%20Hirano%20(Haruhi%20Suzumiya)%20-%20God%20Knows%20(TV%20RIP%20LO-RES).zip). Ripped the video part of the concert with said song ;)

[dkellis]

']Go back to 4:34~4:35 to catch the other 2 members of the band ;)

And 3:32 ~ 3:44 to see Haruhi happening on the band for the first time...

[diopter]

Both songs were surprisingly good, although the first song felt like Hirano Aya was singing too much in her normal voice as opposed to Haruhi's voice; however, that's just nitpicking because both were still very good.

[Prodigious]

How does KyoAni keep making each episode better and better?

They must be using flash clones of the Keebler Elves to drive the production of this show.

And god that whole maid scene was insanely cute.


/dies

[Sushi-Y]

A fantastic episode with everyone being shown their characteristic strengths except Mikuru's. But as the series progresses it's becoming painfully obvious that she is quickly becoming the most two dimensional character.
Unfortunately, that's true. Even in volume 7 of the novel, where she takes the center stage with Kyon, we still didn't get to see any major developments with her (character-wise).

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As for this episode, all I can say is wow. Kyoani took a "so-so" short story from the novel and turned it into an absolute stunner. Of course, being able to actually see and hear Haruhi sing played a big part in this, but really, when I saw the quality of the live scene, I was left stunned until end.

Thanks for convincing me that the Haruhi DVDs were worth pre-ordering. :heh:

Highlights:

First of all, the first half of the episode:
- Kyon's tour around the school proved once again that Kyoani is crazy, look at all those background actions!
- Mikuru's waitress dress was spot on. And Just hearing Tsuruya-san say "megassa-" made the day for me. :heh:
- The following two expressions:
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The live scene:

The details in this scene are amazing, from the meticulous animation showing the band setting up of their equipments:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8459/0005387724qw.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0005387724qw.jpg) http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7865/0005417759ro.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0005417759ro.jpg)
to the detailed crowd (and this shot was only used for 1 second!):
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You already can tell this is a high-quality anime. By the way, when I first watched this scene, my face was probably just like the audience members in this shot. :twitch:

For the actual performance, what can I say? My jaws dropped at Yuki's "I-swear-they-used-motion-tracing" finger movements:
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3088/124501249112513280922347012495.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=124501249112513280922347012495.jpg) http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3088/124501249112513280922347012495.th.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=124501249112513280922347012495.jpg)
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they actually synced her finger movements with the actual sounds, because it looked like it. (the synced the drums too) o_o

As for Haruhi's (Hirano Aya's) singing, I loved both songs, but especially "God knows..." (the first song). The animation... really, from the lip syncing to small, detailed movements, to effects like blurring and camera wobble, to the portrayal of Haruhi gradually drenching in sweat from the heat... m(_ _)m:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3415/0005936189bx.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0005936189bx.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1456/0006264848jr.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0006264848jr.jpg) http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1553/0006309894xq.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0006309894xq.jpg) http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7130/0006332413yn.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0006332413yn.jpg)
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/293/0006777864xz.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0006777864xz.jpg) http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2640/0006973051wj.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0006973051wj.jpg) http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8557/0007289620ba.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0007289620ba.jpg) http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9513/0007501910yn.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0007501910yn.jpg)
That last shot there was particularly significant for me, it really portrayed that "exhausted but fullfilled" look on Haruhi's face so well.

Oh, and personally, this shot is against the rules:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3088/124501249112513280922347012495.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=124501249112513280922347012495.jpg)


Haruhi's "douyou":
"Live a Live" is the first story in volume 6 of the novel, "Suzumiya Haruhi no Douyou" (涼宮ハルヒの動揺), and the douyou (which roughly means "unrest", as in "to be emotionally shaken") in the book's title was referring to this scene.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/940/0012213298gh.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0012213298gh.jpg)

Haruhi has always been charging ahead without thinking about the consequences of her actions, that's why, when the band members thanked her for her help, she was hit by a side of humanity that she's not used to seeing. As a result of this new emotion that came with being appreciated, it caused doubt in herself about what she has been doing all this time. In a way, this is an event showing Haruhi becoming in touch with her own humanity.

Anyway, the important portrayal here is the display of trust between Haruhi and Kyon. Even though it's subtle, Haruhi was able cheer up because of Kyon.

Of course, it's expected that Kyoani would faithfully anime the part in the novel where Haruhi tried to throw grass at Kyon, only to have the wind blow it back into her face :heh: :
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3088/124501249112513280922347012495.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=124501249112513280922347012495.jpg)

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Next Episode: "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu V"

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Get ready for Haruhi's first big serious confession scene (chronologically speaking) about her past and her reason for the things that she's doing. And of course, the much-anticipated battle against the 神人. ^^

Now that I think about it, there are only 2 episodes left. :(

[Prodigious]

I was cheering along with the crowd during the concert scene.

If there is one true indicator of "quality" enterntainment(regardless of what type it is) it's when you get caught up in the moment without realizing it.

[dkellis]

- I'd like to know how exactly Haruhi managed to finagle the Movie Club into showing Asahina Mikuru no Bouken every hour. There are nine showings (list shown at 00:16), and AMnB is on five of them, alternating between various other shows which are not shown more than once. Maybe it's in Kyon's monologue, which will have to wait for the subs.

- Hard Gay Foo~ (02:38, if you're wondering; right after the title, during which the Computer Club is shown.)

- I'm not sure if it's just me, but I think that Itsuki tends to overact a bit. He always has a dramatic gesture for every occurence.

- OMG MEIDO TSURUYA *dies happy*

- Seeing the symphonic band on stage reminded me so much of my own band days. They're really not too bad.

- Immediate and sudden ZOMG ANIMATION change when Haruhi's song started. Lots of lip movement and sweating (although Yuki looked cool as ice).

- For some reason I find myself oddly fascinated by the drummer. She looks kind of cute...

- The songs are awesome. On a gut ranking, though, I like the second one slightly better. It sounds, well, "happier". (Major key vs. minor key.)

- Now we see another similarity with Ep 9: Haruhi's little-seen -dere side.

Two more episodes to go, upon which I'll have to decide whether I want to keep it at airing order or chronological order...

[Shirobane]

Ho-ly crap. The animation quality has transcended to another level. I'll be REALLY interested in how much KyoAni spent on this project after it's all said and done.

A Mikuru-zombified army of glasses geeks...
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/9053/vlcsnap2275820dq.th.png (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap2275820dq.png)
I can't believe I laughed out loud 10 seconds into a show, that's gotta be a record for me...

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Itsuki robbing the cradle hm? :heh:
EDIT: whoops, they only LOOKED like they were in primary school :p

Tsuruya-san in a meido-waitress outfit?
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8166/vlcsnap2291150hg.th.png (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap2291150hg.png)
...yeah that about sums it up

I had the shivers during the performance, the execution of it completely took me by surprise at how good it was. And Kyon's reaction to Haruhi appearing on stage was priceless.
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Hell the performance alone was epic. The amount of detail put into that 5-6 minute scene is awe inspiring.

:love: :love: :love: Haruhi in this episode, and to top it off she was incredibly cute her tossing the grass at Kyon backfired.

Paramount episode and it's not even the last one. I believe it's alright to clamour for another season after today :heh:

[PhantomX]

Well ... I personally enjoyed the performance and the Tsuruya section the most ... I'm surprised no one was endlessly amused at Taniguchi's reaction to Mikuru in the waitress outfit ... I actually watched that part 3 times ... the caw was priceless XD

EDIT: Also thought it was really neat how you saw Haruhi and Yuki running past in the background while Kyon is saying bye to Taniguchi ;)

[SailorMoon4ever]

I was very surprised with this episode and almost hate seeing this series ends soon but all good things must come to a end ;/

[darkchibi07]

My god! That song was pure hotness! :love:

[PhantomX]

I personally liked the second song the best ... unfortunately it wasn't played in it's entirety.

As I said ... this ep was placed here for the Kyon x Haruhi moment (heh, second time they hold hands in this series so far :P).

Next ep is Kyon and Haruhi checking out Asakura's apartment ... if we're lucky we'll see Koizumi in all out action :)

[Shinji103]

OMG

Tsuruya-san + maid outift + jiggle = faint from blood loss due to severe nosebleed

[Kaioshin Sama]

Why is Tsuruya such a popular character, Is it the fang, the long hair, the laugh, the fact that she's only seen maybe once every 3 episodes, or a combination of the above?

[Moogster]

For me its the laugh.. + She really is cute. :D

[Lost]

WOW this episodes sounds :love: wonderful. This has to be the first time I'm actually preparing for an episode. Reading out a chapter of the novel now. Tho IMO such a detailed anime deserves the effort.

For me its the fang.

"That was because of the band the three sempais from the Pop Music Society formed, their leader, who was the lead singer and main guitarist, suddenly fell into a fever. I hear she's suffering from tonsilitis, she could hardly speak, and she looked exhausted as she struggled to stand."

She sure was unlucky.

"Exactly. Not to mention she accidentally tripped and twisted her right wrist at home. It was impossible for her to perform."
I wonder if it was more than "unluckiness." Hmmm.

[Pakxenon]

When I was reading that part, I felt the same way (I think)... but then again the idea never sprung to Haruhi yet, nor was she even motivated to do something that big after the production of the movie. I'm going to say that Yuki wanted to try out the guitar. ^^

I got a bad raw - most of the lip movements froze and some scenes froze. Dammit!

That was awesome. Aya's voice is awesome. The fingering was pretty well done, too. (Though I must admit, I don't like looking at animated live music performances - the real thing is always better unless they suck).

Then you've got Hard Gay references and a whole army of nerds used in this episode... Really freaky. The 5 screenings of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken was pure win! Look at teh army of nerds/geeks!

Some background scenes weren't moving (the talk with/after Tsuruya). How unexpected of KyoAni! =(

Ending was a little boring even for a resolution.

Next week, Haruhi and Kyon checks out Asakura's apartment!

9/10. Good music, I assume the animation is good (bad raw...), and MAID OUTFITS!

[dkellis]

Why is Tsuruya such a popular character, Is it the fang, the long hair, the laugh, the fact that she's only seen maybe once every 3 episodes, or a combination of the above?

She looks cute, she's happy and friendly, she has an infectious laugh, she's got that fang, and for me she's pretty much a more reasonable version of Haruhi.

The hair makes her stand out. The limited appearances... well, it might have been a factor in that we don't really see much of her, but I like what I've seen (and thus didn't get a chance to see anything I wouldn't like).

[Lost]

I'm going to say that Yuki wanted to try out the guitar. ^^

I got a bad raw - most of the lip movements froze and some scenes froze. Dammit!
Haha I was reading another part

After spitting out all the grass that flew into her mouth, she layed flat again.

I lifted my head and looked towards the club building, I could see the Literature Club's window. I thought I would see a slim short haired figure looking down at us, but in the end I could see nothing. It was normal for me not to see anything anyway.
It'll be scary if Yuki, assuming she loves Kyon, starts to go beserk against Haruhi out of jealousy.

Anyway about the "bad" raw, I had the same problem with FL's one when playing with VLC. Try playing it instead with zplayer (from CCCP). That helped.

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ZOMG. The detail is partly in the way the anime adheres to the novel:
Right after she said that, Tsuruya-san returned to the desk by the entrance as the coins in her apron made clinging sounds.
I mean, you hear the clinging sounds in the show! Around 5:05. Haha.

[DannyCat]

She looks cute, she's happy and friendly, she has an infectious laugh, she's got that fang, and for me she's pretty much a more reasonable version of Haruhi.
And she's GENKI. Quite cheerfully so.

[Kenshinyoh]

Good job Haruhi! You just caught a big fish ;)http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/Kenshinyoh/untitled.jpg

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ok well, I've got to admit this episode surprised me, before I talk about the good lets dispense with the bad. The singing was in all honesty ear-splittingly painful for me to endure, but luckily it didn't take up the whole episode like I thought it would.

On with the good. I had expected Haruhi to go on a massive ego-trip after her successful concert, but instead she seems to be humble almost to the point of self-loathing and shame after she realizes what a selfish person she has been this whole time and feels for the first time the warmth that comes from performing a selfless act. This is almost unprecedented for Haruhi's character and I felt for the first time that I didn't want to hop and to the show and bitchslap her for once. I actually almost felt sorry for her that this is the first time she's ever realized the joy of helping others and not making other people suffer, we can see that Kyon has had an effect on her, which I was beginning to worry was not going to be the case by the end of the shows 14 episode run. Despite the odds there is some real character development for Haruhi in an episode that could easily have become a sales ploy for an Aya Hirano CD Single. You know what I'm feeling generous enough today to give this episode a 8. Let's hope this isn't the last we see of Haruhi's dere-side as its much nicer to see a more moderated character than Psycho-Bitch on Wheels Who Hates And Possibly Wants To Kill Everybody And Everything. Don't cop-out on me Novel-Writer and Kyoto Animation.

[Lost]

Does anyone also notice that more people were filling the auditorium because it started to rain outside? Just as Haruhi was about to perform?

[CrowKenobi]

I don't normally download a raw, but this makes the second Haruhi one and even though I couln't understand 99.5% of what was being said, this ep still rates a 9 from me! (I'll wait for the sub to vote in which I'm pretty sure I'll give it a 10!:D)

Just on the visuals alone, this ep was great! Tsuruya-san just stole the part she was in (her genki-ness is so infectious! :love:) The way she was all over the place suggested that she was in charge of the noodle stand and had everything well in hand.

The songs in the middle were just incredible! I'll agree with others opinions that KyoAni really outdid themselves with that performance! :D
Ok well, I've got to admit this episode surprised me, before I talk about the good lets dispense with the bad. The singing was in all honesty ear-splittingly painful for me to endure, but luckily it didn't take up the whole episode like I thought it would.Of course the singing was like that, after all think of the sound system being used! :) Nice touch by KyoAni about how realistic the songs sounded when such a sound system is being used.

Even though I couldn't follow the dialogue, the resolution at the end was good to watch from Haruhi meeting with all the band members (I noticed that the left most girl looked a lot like Haruhi with different colored eyes and hair style) to her and Kyon's talk at the end. All in all, a great episode.

[PhantomX]

She looks cute, she's happy and friendly, she has an infectious laugh, she's got that fang, and for me she's pretty much a more reasonable version of Haruhi.

The hair makes her stand out. The limited appearances... well, it might have been a factor in that we don't really see much of her, but I like what I've seen (and thus didn't get a chance to see anything I wouldn't like).

This is spot on ... would explain why I was one of the first Tsuruya-chan fans back since episode 00. Damn, her genkiness and laugher and fang were just pure win (even if the lighting made her look a little funky :P)

[Shirobane]

Does anyone also notice that more people were filling the auditorium because it started to rain outside? Just as Haruhi was about to perform?
I believe that's the work of KyoAni there as it wasn't mentionned that there was a storm outside in teh novel translations. Thne again KyoAni dropped the number of songs from 4 to 2, not a big problem but we did miss out on the audience standing in petrified silence after the first song.

[Xellos-_^]

Does anyone also notice that more people were filling the auditorium because it started to rain outside? Just as Haruhi was about to perform?

I did :p very erm concidental :eyebrow:

[Kaioshin Sama]

I believe that's the work of KyoAni there as it wasn't mentionned that there was a storm outside in teh novel translations. Thne again KyoAni dropped the number of songs from 4 to 2, not a big problem but we did miss out on the audience standing in petrified silence after the first song.

Thank God they did too. I would have given the episode a 4 if they had wasted time with even one more song, 1 and a half was perfect to get the point across. Also every school event I've ever been to or seen in an anime has been rained out, its not so much divine intervention as much as fate and cliche. Trust me on this one it was done for atmosphere.

[Lost]

Finally finished the RAW. And I noticed that without having to devote some brain-power to the reading of subtitles, just listening (even tho i didnt understand 100% of what they said) allowed me to really get the full emotions and feelings in their voice, and I was also able to pay much more attention to their facial expressions. Wonderful.

This episode deserves a 10 from me.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ok, I'm not criticizing or anything but how can you give a 10 (Perfect) rating to something you admit you cannot fully understand and are at least partially guessing at, you do realize what Perfect means right. You are of course entitled to give it a 10, but I just hope you understand fully what that a Perfect rating really means.

[Lost]

Ok, I'm not criticizing or anything but how can you give a 10 (Perfect) rating to something you admit you cannot fully understand and are at least partially guessing at, you do realize what Perfect means right. You are of course entitled to give it a 10, but I just hope you understand fully what that a Perfect rating really means.
Well, I have read the novel chapter, and I have short-term memory, so I do think that I can understand which dialogues go where in the Anime. Or which parts in the Anime correspond to which parts of the chapter. But I get what you mean. ^^'

For me, PERFECT (in relation to Anime) means an episode that:

(1) Moves me emotionally, where feelings of the characters, or feelings of the situation, come across the screen to me - anywhere from making me cry to making me understand the characters/circumstances indepth. (2) Generally gives me a good feeling, or leaves me with a small satisfied smile at the end. (3) Contains noteworthy animation and music.

Of course, this wouldn't be an absolute definition, because what moves me might not move someone else. And for the record, I'm not picking these points out from the episode. I'm sorry if they don't fit your definition of perfect? :p Just curious. What is your definition?

[C.A.]

Ok, I'm not criticizing or anything but how can you give a 10 (Perfect) rating to something you admit you cannot fully understand and are at least partially guessing at, you do realize what Perfect means right. You are of course entitled to give it a 10, but I just hope you understand fully what that a Perfect rating really means.Thats why we need ratings to go above 10, some of the ratings maybe 15 or something, but because they didn't understand some parts, it became 12. Yea 12 is still more than 10, so why not rate it a 10? You probably won't understand this as well.

I for one, would be extremely delighted if they had all 4 songs, I'm a music junkie. Especially when I've cried thrice listening to Basara's j-rock, Haruhi/Hirano Aya definitely sang their hearts out in this one, I heard her.

Needless to say, but anyway this episode is a 10.

[angel_wing0]

Feels like I'm spamming this but I figure some folks may enjoy this:

Aya Hirano (Haruhi Suzumiya) - God Knows (TV RIP LO-RES) (2:39) (28MB) (http://moyism.com/tmp/Aya%20Hirano%20(Haruhi%20Suzumiya)%20-%20God%20Knows%20(TV%20RIP%20LO-RES).zip). Ripped the video part of the concert with said song ;)

preps for you...reall apprecaite~

Having read the translated novel, i have to say this ep blows me away so bad...100% here ;)

[Kaioshin Sama]

My definition of perfect is flawless in every possible way, Animation (No flubs whatsoever, even something so much as that cable cutting through Haruhi in episode 11 would cause the rating to immediately drop to 9 or lower for me), Music (Fits with every scene and effort is put into it), Plot (It would need to be monumental and contribute towards the betterment of society) Character Interaction (The interaction between characters is believable and makes sense, facial reactions are always akin to what they should be given the situation or a characters emotional state), Voice Acting (Properly cast characters concerning age and personality, vocal tone is always on par with what is being said and how the character would say it, also lip-flap synchronization matches with what is happening on screen, since I noticed in episode 12 Haruhi's lip-sync was way off during the singing of the first song, I immediately could not give it a perfect)

If it seems like my standard of perfect is impossible to obtain, then that's because it probably is, and I feel thats the way it should be. Hell, I would only rate my favorite series of all time Zeta Gundam a 93% rating given the opportunity most likely, I know I gave a Fire Emblem 3, part of one of my favorite if not my favorite series of all time an 8 out of 10 on Gamefaqs and that was 3 years ago when I was a much happier person who wasn't quite as bitter and disagreeable. So, my standards are very high, yet they don't even come close to what my friend expects.

[lavarock]

Everybody rate things differently, and that's why opinions existed. IMO, if it is impossible for you to rate something "10" since nothing is perfect, then there is no need for a "10" rating there. We could have just have 1-9, what's the point of "10" then?
It's perfect OK to rate things your way, but you should also respect other's ratings. For me, I rarely give 10s, but in the case of haruhi I gived 10s twice (2nd and 10th episode). The whole thing is just a gathering of opinions, or a popularity rating, take whatever way you will.

[Shirobane]

I for one, would be extremely delighted if they had all 4 songs, I'm a music junkie. Especially when I've cried thrice listening to Basara's j-rock, Haruhi/Hirano Aya definitely sang their hearts out in this one, I heard her.


Agreed, definately different strokes for different folks, for me a fade-medley of the four songs would have last me the entire year :p. That said it's still the best anime concert/pseudo-mv that I've seen. The band itself felt alive, something not even the Black Stones from Nana could pull off. The sweat, the fingering of the guitarists, the blur of the drumsticks and even the exhausted speech of the amateur Haruhi who sang her heart out without the conservation that a pro would have all played a part in creating this vivid atmosphere. I'm still in awe at how well that scene was done.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I feel a 10 should still be there as a reminder of the concept of perfection and how it should be strived to be attained for even though it is difficult if not impossible, without the possibility of achieving total perfection there would be nothing to strive for and we wouldn't have shows as good as Haruhi, Eureka 7, or in my opinion Zeta Gundam.

Anyway back to discussion, I can't help but feel each episode of the series is just too compressed down when converted from novel to anime. I got that feeling the most with episode 11 which led me to be disappointed with what I saw as Kyoto Animation taking the Fan Service route with Day of Sagitarius and showing the characters doing a whole bunch of parodies of classic sci-fi epics instead of focusing on the plot. There were a lot of aspects of the original chapter such as Yuki's dillema in not cheating and Haruhi's show of mercy towards the Computer club president that were barely glazed over in the anime.

Also if people haven't realized by now I tend to be a pessimist who points out the shortcomings of things where few people notice them. I have a keen eye for flaws and weaknesses that I tend to focus in on and analyze, in a sense I am the Thomas Hobbes of AnimeSuki. Sorry to be such a downer.

Finally first person who dares compare Basara to Haruhi gets taken down hard with a page long essay, you have been warned, muhahahahaha..... However comparing Haruhi to Mylene is fair game.

[Truth-kun]

I for one, would be extremely delighted if they had all 4 songs, I'm a music junkie. Especially when I've cried thrice listening to Basara's j-rock, Haruhi/Hirano Aya definitely sang their hearts out in this one, I heard her.



I would like to see it too but alas the time is so limited that they barely sung the second song.

Can anyone translate the lyrics of the song for us? XD

[lavarock]

Anyway back to discussion, I can't help but feel each episode of the series is just too compressed down when converted from novel to anime. I got that feeling the most with episode 11 which led me to be disappointed with what I saw as Kyoto Animation taking the Fan Service route with Day of Sagitarius and showing the characters doing a whole bunch of parodies of classic sci-fi epics instead of focusing on the plot. There were a lot of aspects of the original chapter such as Yuki's dillema in not cheating and Haruhi's show of mercy towards the Computer club president that were barely glazed over in the anime.


My only gripe of the series is that some side stories used in the show as "fillers" are not strong enough in novel. For example Mystic Sign, Lone Island Syndrome and The Day of Sagittarius. Instead of those, if they could have done for example Snow Mountain Syndrome or Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody I would be extremly happy. However, I am not saying that those episode are bad, KyoAni still did an excellent job on them to make them really interesting episodes. It's just those side story didn't move on the plot much in the novel so KyoAni can't do much with them.
So in essence, I think that it's not KyoAni's fault for not moving on the plot in those episodes. It's just those episode are side stories and don't move on the plot much compare to the ones left which hopefully will be animated in 2nd season. Let's just hope for the 2nd season.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Of all the chapters I would have liked to have seen Snow Mountain Syndrome tops the list From what I here the scenario deals with the group trying to protect Haruhi from a mysterious force and she actually seems geniunely scared with them all being trapped in a blizzard. Either that or the one where Kyon falls down the stairs and Haruhi spends the night in the hospital with him. Basically if they had balanced out TsunTsun Haruhi and DereDere Haruhi a bit more it would have been a lot better, instead we get 80% TsunTsun 5% DereDere and 15% inbetween.

[C.A.]

If Haruhi is balanced Tsundere all the time, it makes her Dere moments less precious. And it will be horrifying for you because everytime Haruhi goes Dere, the show gets more 10s lol

Anyway, Yuki's little prophecy is exactly the same as what Kyon expected she would say in Novel 2 chapter 1.

[Shirobane]

My definition of perfect is flawless in every possible way, Animation (No flubs whatsoever, even something so much as that cable cutting through Haruhi in episode 11 would cause the rating to immediately drop to 9 or lower for me), Music (Fits with every scene and effort is put into it), Plot (It would need to be monumental and contribute towards the betterment of society) Character Interaction (The interaction between characters is believable and makes sense, facial reactions are always akin to what they should be given the situation or a characters emotional state), Voice Acting (Properly cast characters concerning age and personality, vocal tone is always on par with what is being said and how the character would say it, also lip-flap synchronization matches with what is happening on screen, since I noticed in episode 12 Haruhi's lip-sync was way off during the singing of the first song, I immediately could not give it a perfect)

Not to be confrontational but human ambition isn't based upon chasing a fleeting dream but rather to do better than every one of their predecessors. The human emotion greed fuels this one-up-manship. This is the reason why technological evolution is incremental rather than explosive. Humans simply don't have the infinite determination to achieve absolute perfection. Quite literally, people often get depressed (or lose interest) when they don't see instant (positive) reactions to their actions. So to me, it is most important to compare a work to its predecessors rather than to compare it to a static bar. And so this leads to Haruhi episode 12.

The standout scene is the performance and compared to its predecessors, I feel that Kyoani has easily decimated its competition. Yes there were some off-synching but it wasn't as bad as Mion (Higurashi) in Oyashiro-mode and I'd much rather take a slight lip flapping over the often used "random scene inserted to illustrate/parallel the lyrics to the song" that more often than not, hurts the flow of the insert song rather than bolsters it. I'm quite tempted to give it high marks now, but I'd rather watch the subs first before making a final judgement. Now am I saying that your judging methods are unfair? No. I simply cannot do that since there isn't a universal standard for opinions. I'm simply giving another perspective to judging a work for what it is.

Granted it would be great if everyone had the sheer (and oft times unlimited) determination of Haruhi-sama, human achievement would be astronomical. On a side note, that is one of the things I love about Haruhi, her undying spirit and determination that is literally a million times of that I could muster. Many people have written Haruhi simply off as a bitch but really, is there something wrong in following your dream? or even in giving your all towards that dream?

Kyoani's portrayal of Haruhi has already been toned down somewhat from the novels and even more so from the english translations. As she is now, she's unique in being a VERY tsun-character which gives her an aura of energy that the viewers could feel(even the Haruhi haters must admit that Haruhi is energetic).

[Kaioshin Sama]

Except the way I see it, I don't think Haruhi yet realizes what her dream is, I honestly think what she really wants is friends and that she's been shutting herself in all this time and isolating herself due to a character flaw. I think now where they are in episode 12 she realizes that she is not the great all-important perfect leader of the SOS-Brigade. If you want to think that Haruhi is going to remain a static character throughout the novels who is always self-centred always cruel, and always controlling fine, that's a possible ending, although a really depressing and sad one. I however, think Haruhi will eventually open up more and more as the novel progresses, the third party will continue to press her for a reaction and things will eventually come to a boiling point. What's key here, is what is Haruhi's real dream, is it what is presented on the surface (Finding aliens and stuff), or something that lies deep within her psyche, that she is only starting to become aware of as of episode 12's time period.

Oh and C.A I guess your right, we don't need balanced Tsundere as it will make the Dere moments less of an impact, although it would be highly illogical and surprising if as the series continues on here Dere side doesn't begin to surface more and more. Anyway I'm having a hard time seeing why people prefer Tsun Haruhi so much, I mean if you like the antics that go on as a result of it fine, they are pretty funny. I prefer Dere Haruhi however, the show really hits its stride whenever that side surfaces, it is then that we get the character development and plot advancement, I mean honestly, did episode 11 with Tsun Haruhi even really do much to advance the story at all, it was filler plain and simple, not bad filler, but filler nonetheless, not that episode 12 advanced the story much but at least we got some character development and Haruhi had a revalation about herself. Also I won't be horrified if the show gets higher ratings for Dere Haruhi as those episodes more often than not deserve it, maybe not 10's but higher ratings, too bad they all have high ratings though so it is impossible to find the stand out episodes within the series.

[Decagon]

In addition to what everyone else mentioned already, I liked how they snuck Nekoman in here and there.

[IchiKyo]

Perfect ! Best Episode Ever...
Good Music... Can't wait for the Single
But too bad
we can't listening Full version of Lost my magic...

[Kaoru Chujo]

Okay, so I watched it again. Now I really see and hear how good that concert is. One of the great sequences in all anime?

I could certainly find minor fault here and there: they sometimes attempt more movements than can be made to look smooth, like one time when Kyon was walking. And Haruhi's distorted face was a bit too much for me.

But that didn't stop me giving the episode a ten. This ep had that great animation, and also great character development and conveying of feeling.

And I realized the that the things going on in the background were not just fun easter eggs. When I saw them again, they gave me a feeling of a real world there, with various things going on at the same time, ready to come together later.

[Lost]

My definition of perfect is flawless in every possible way, [...] I immediately could not give it a perfect)
Wooaah... Cool, cool. I understand how you see things, you understand how I see it :) I love forums.

Of all the chapters I would have liked to have seen Snow Mountain Syndrome tops the list From what I here the scenario deals with the group trying to protect Haruhi from a mysterious force and she actually seems geniunely scared with them all being trapped in a blizzard. Either that or the one where Kyon falls down the stairs and Haruhi spends the night in the hospital with him. Basically if they had balanced out TsunTsun Haruhi and DereDere Haruhi a bit more it would have been a lot better, instead we get 80% TsunTsun 5% DereDere and 15% inbetween.
Sigh there's so much more to show? Actually, I think that KyoAni is deliberately keeping the pace of Haruhi's development slow. I mean, 11, 12 episodes to finally get to the more human Haruhi. Thats why I think they didnt include those chapters. But I would :love: to see them. You know. I've never before, but I'm actually starting to want a S2. :heh:

Btw, could someone explain whats Tsun and Dere? :D Thanks!

And Haruhi's distorted face was a bit too much for me. [...] And I realized the that the things going on in the background were not just fun easter eggs. When I saw them again, they gave me a feeling of a real world there, with various things going on at the same time, ready to come together later.
I liked those expressions very much :) She was putting her all into it. Yeah, I also got that feeling from those happenings in the background. I can't find any betters words, so: it was a Simultaneous, Chronological timeline.

:heh:

[panzerfan]

I think the cinematography is the thing that is the most rewarding for me to behold. The camera movement on the stage and all the minute details really come together to create perhaps one of the best rendition of a school festival in recent memory.

This is Haruhi's moment to shine but every other character comes along for the ride. The added parts here and there do not weaken the chapter in the novel. I agree with the sentiment that the number of songs is just right and serves their purpose. The facial expressions are golden. Kudos for Kyoani with this (I remember seeing this sparingly in AIR)

On the marking scheme, I think of 10 as a relative thing. There's no way that anything can achieve true perfection therefore I think achieving the 'best of possible world' is far more realistic. Using that as full mark to me is reasonable.

[Onizuka-GTO]

YUKI FTW!!!

She is the Guitar Goddess!!! :D :D :D

Yuki absolutely rocked that place down, she was banging out those fantastic solo!! Go yuki! :D :D

Although not a Yuki-centric episode just seeing cool yuki show off he 1337-ness was enough for me. Yuki banzai.

:D :D

oh, was it just me or did that band remind me of the real life all female alternative Rock band, "ZONE"?

The drummer was also a cute thing too.... what was the name of that fictional band? ENOZ? :p

[bluemist]

I'm floored. This is the best episode yet, and if you ask me, I would have preferred this one to be the last in chronological broadcast order (meaning Melancholy V and VI should have gone first).

Kyon's very first genuine smile towards Haruhi, then that long scroll to the horizon in the end plus the music made me feel that way. I wonder if any of you felt the same way. If anything, this feels more 'ending-like' than the real Episode 14.

[panzerfan]

Now now, anything on Yuutsu's prohibited material and we shaltn't spoil anything as now it's not the time...

Should anything think that S.Haruhi has really turns around to dere, remember this: The day of Sagittarius happens after this festival.

Haruhi may not be an Aeon, but to me... this person's a demiurge. She is incredable yet 'flawed'. I like her a great deal (though that can be said for anyone in the series)

[arias]

Btw, could someone explain whats Tsun and Dere? :D Thanks!


Here is a definition post by kj1980 about tsundere: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911


Regarding the 1-10 point scheme that we use to award our anime, I think a little bit of maturity will help some particular posters here. The fact is, everyone has their own particular measuring stick; people use a combination of some factors including enjoyment, technical achievement, meaning, consistency and even "absolute perfection". Point is, everyone's 1-10 scale is subjectively scaled, and it's just a rough marker of how good the particular episode is to the viewer.

I'm not quite sure, then, how people can complain about anime series or shows getting 10s. Sure, you don't understand, you don't give it a 10.. but you have to be quite a self-centered person to not realize that there are other people in this world who have different perspectival views. Even if their marking schemas are founded upon childish or ridiculous factors like panty exposure; that is their full right to determine what they want to see in a show. For one, I do find it quite amusing and even a little frustrating that Fate/Stay Night has so many supporters who really don't see its flaws, and to me that almost reeks of riding on "trend" waves. But I can understand the strengths of the show in its characters..

As such, I do think that people in general need to make some space in their worlds for a variety of viewpoints from other people.



Getting back to the show -- I won't be suprised if rotoscopy was employed for the Yuki-electric guitar scenes. That is some damn fine animation.. I think what lacks mention here are the animated scenes where Haruhi seems to exert herself at the mid-end of her first song. While a good attempt to communicate a sense of exertion, I thought it ruined alot of the aesthetic factor.. definitely didn't like it.

It's also interesting to note the "dere" discussion. We shouldn't expect Haruhi to be "dere" all the way even after these sort of epiphanies in her daily experiences.. her dereness is like an oasis in the desert :D Exceedingly rare. She'll most probably maintain her bullish self and occassionally reveal the softer side.

[Shirobane]

Except the way I see it, I don't think Haruhi yet realizes what her dream is, I honestly think what she really wants is friends and that she's been shutting herself in all this time and isolating herself due to a character flaw. I think now where they are in episode 12 she realizes that she is not the great all-important perfect leader of the SOS-Brigade. If you want to think that Haruhi is going to remain a static character throughout the novels who is always self-centred always cruel, and always controlling fine, that's a possible ending, although a really depressing and sad one. I however, think Haruhi will eventually open up more and more as the novel progresses, the third party will continue to press her for a reaction and things will eventually come to a boiling point. What's key here, is what is Haruhi's real dream, is it what is presented on the surface (Finding aliens and stuff), or something that lies deep within her psyche, that she is only starting to become aware of as of episode 12's time period.


I'd have to disagree with you on that. I believed Haruhi's dream never changed, only that along the way to (consciously) realizing her dream, she's starting to settle for something less; which in a way is more fulfilling than simply playing with aliens, espers and time travellers.

At no point during the series did I feel that Haruhi was a static queen bitch that a few have labelled her. Sure it is justified because of her treatment of Mikuru, but this is anime; animators tend to stray from unlikable main characters for fear of fanbase backlash. Beyond that, back when the calls for Haruhi beheadings began, it was really too early to judge any of the characters. Similar to real life, it's completely pointless to judge a person's character based on first impressions. If all you do is put people (and subsequently characters) into stereotypes, you'll never see the good in them (ok enough out-of-show references from me for this thread :heh:)

So definately show the dere side of Haruhi, it really makes for interesting character growth. But the fact is, even though it's not apparent sometimes, it's her Tsun- side that showcases her character and develops the show's themes.

Personally I hope they never make Haruhi 50/50 Tsundere, she'd be so generic at that point :(

[C.A.]

What I love about Haruhi is that even though she has several desires, she set her sights on just one dream. And she's willing to sacrifice everything and put all her heart and effort into it, its absolutely something I can never do. I'd love to spend all my life on Haruhiism lol, though I have no idea how am I suppose to do it.

Anyway next episode will tell us why Haruhi has such dreams and why she's like what she is now.

[shadowWizz]

OMG!!! :eek:

I was actually touched watching Haruhi singing seriously. She's so much cooler than her usual self...

The insert song was GREAT so far i think that this would be the best one aired...

I think i'm in love with her all over again... :love:

[Truth-kun]

Oh my somebody voted 1!?

Guys guys, lets take it easy on the next episode hints, okay? It's not good for the Haruhist.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Oh my somebody voted 1!?

Guys guys, lets take it easy on the next episode hints, okay? It's not good for the Haruhist.
The "1" g0jira has never posted in the Haruhi forum. I doubt he has ever even seen the episode. But hey, it's a free forum, and he is a new member...

[Truth-kun]

Hahaha. I was just surprised thats all. Well I did come across some of Haruhi haters in this forum, so I guess he's one of them.

[nadare]

I just cant see this episode getting a 1. The lowest I could see in this episode is like a 6 . =/

[M.D. Geist]

I just cant see this episode getting a 1. The lowest I could see in this episode is like a 6 . =/

7+10 have 1 ratings, too ...

nothing serious though ;)

[Vexx]

I've come to the conclusion some people misunderstand the ratings system and think "1" is tops --- otherwise I'd have to conclude they're trolls or incapable of analysis. Even if you hated this series - the production quality rates 5 points all by itself.

[Lost]

Ah, no point getting all flustered over a "1" :heh: Its as arias said: "that is their full right to determine what they want to see in a show." Or not want to see.

[Kaoru Chujo]

I spend time in forums where some people really don't like this show, just watched a couple of episodes and went away. Some people are just so turned off by Haruhi's tsun side that they can't watch. Some don't see a story. Many don't get the depth of the characterization, or don't get the humor. Some think the only thing going for the show is the animation. Some are understandably turned off by the extreme praise, or think the show is exclusively for otaku.

I feel sorry for them. I think they "just don't get it." And I feel defensive of the show. But it's their right to miss out, if they want to. And I can understand the thrill of giving a "1" just to thumb your nose at the crowd. I mean, a show can't be as good as all these effing fanboys think, can it? Well, actually, yes, it can be.

[Moogster]

I spend time in forums where some people really don't like this show, just watched a couple of episodes and went away. Some people are just so turned off by Haruhi's tsun side that they can't watch. Some don't see a story. Many don't get the depth of the characterization, or don't get the humor. Some think the only thing going for the show is the animation. Some are understandably turned off by the extreme praise, or think the show is exclusively for otaku.

I feel sorry for them. I think they "just don't get it." And I feel defensive of the show. But it's their right to miss out, if they want to. And I can understand the thrill of giving a "1" just to thumb your nose at the crowd. I mean, a show can't be as good as all these effing fanboys think, can it? Well, actually, yes, it can be.

People who don't want to understand, won't understand.

Also, misinterpretation, since from the start most people who watched it would say its comedy, they think that the story can't get much deeper.

[Katapan]

I spend time in forums where some people really don't like this show, just watched a couple of episodes and went away. Some people are just so turned off by Haruhi's tsun side that they can't watch. Some don't see a story. Many don't get the depth of the characterization, or don't get the humor. Some think the only thing going for the show is the animation. Some are understandably turned off by the extreme praise, or think the show is exclusively for otaku.

Phew, I was getting afraid that it was only my Haruhi propaganda that was failing pretty badly. The French forum I'm praising the series on has mostly people who find Kyon's sarcasm truly annoying (he's even been called pathetic by one person). Most also can't stand Haruhi's tsun side... I wonder what reaction they'd have to the massive dere we've just been shown.

[Moogster]

What I find funny with Kyon's sarcasm is that. At most times when Haruhi is doing something and Kyon's going to react, we mostly have the same reaction.. :D

[C.A.]

I spend time in forums where some people really don't like this show, just watched a couple of episodes and went away. Some people are just so turned off by Haruhi's tsun side that they can't watch. Some don't see a story. Many don't get the depth of the characterization, or don't get the humor. Some think the only thing going for the show is the animation. Some are understandably turned off by the extreme praise, or think the show is exclusively for otaku.

I feel sorry for them. I think they "just don't get it." And I feel defensive of the show. But it's their right to miss out, if they want to. And I can understand the thrill of giving a "1" just to thumb your nose at the crowd. I mean, a show can't be as good as all these effing fanboys think, can it? Well, actually, yes, it can be.Haruhi-sama's will definitely unites the mind of all Haruhists, like I've always said. I and countless others certainly agree with you.

This episode certainly will generate quite an amount of discussion, when the subs are out. Lets make this episode discussion the most popular discussion thread lol.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'd have to disagree with you on that. I believed Haruhi's dream never changed, only that along the way to (consciously) realizing her dream, she's starting to settle for something less; which in a way is more fulfilling than simply playing with aliens, espers and time travellers.

At no point during the series did I feel that Haruhi was a static queen bitch that a few have labelled her. Sure it is justified because of her treatment of Mikuru, but this is anime; animators tend to stray from unlikable main characters for fear of fanbase backlash. Beyond that, back when the calls for Haruhi beheadings began, it was really too early to judge any of the characters. Similar to real life, it's completely pointless to judge a person's character based on first impressions. If all you do is put people (and subsequently characters) into stereotypes, you'll never see the good in them (ok enough out-of-show references from me for this thread :heh:)

So definately show the dere side of Haruhi, it really makes for interesting character growth. But the fact is, even though it's not apparent sometimes, it's her Tsun- side that showcases her character and develops the show's themes.

Personally I hope they never make Haruhi 50/50 Tsundere, she'd be so generic at that point :(

[Criticism withdrawn, sorry man, hope there's no hard feelings.]

[philip72]

It just occured to me that, far more than any other character in this series, Kyon is the real tsundere.

Kaioshin_Sama, please leave politics out of this discussion. I'm Canadian and I don't really care about US politics, but this is the wrong place for a political flamewar.

[Truth-kun]

Kyon's sarcasm is what drives me to watch this series and to read the novels. His side comments are always funny (and always true). This would only signify that our male protagonist is thinking through his actions, which makes his personality absolutely likeable in my opinion.

I'm sure most of the Haruhi-ist here agree.

[tritoch]

The people who are watching this show for the comedy should be shoot and fed to the ducks. :heh:

[Truth-kun]

Sarcasm is comedy (see David Spade). I was deeply amused by the sarcasm and the unreal events that is happening, so in my point of view, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is a comedy.

So erm, should I be shot?

[Kaioshin Sama]

It just occured to me that, far more than any other character in this series, Kyon is the real tsundere.

Kaioshin_Sama, please leave politics out of this discussion. I'm Canadian and I don't really care about US politics, but this is the wrong place for a political flamewar.

I'm Canadian too and care about all politics, for the sake of not starting a flamewar I've substituted Republican for Fox News Personality, same thing really but less directly insulting to ones party affiliation.

[Moogster]

Sarcasm is comedy (see David Spade). I was deeply amused by the sarcasm and the unreal events that is happening, so in my point of view, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is a comedy.

So erm, should I be shot?

I think that he meant that if people only watch SHnY for ONLY comedy, should be shot.. :p

[CrowKenobi]

I'm Canadian too and care about all politics, for the sake of not starting a flamewar I've substituted Republican for Fox News Personality, same thing really but less directly insulting to ones party affiliation.Enough with the insults, and please tell us clearly why you think that Shirobane missed your point. :confused:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Alright upon second reading of Shirobane's post I feel I have been unfair, I thought the second paragraph was directed at me specifically but instead it was being directed at other people who have analyzed Haruhi's personality. I'll withdraw that post and I apologize Shirobane, I was the one who was unfair, but you should still specify more clearly who your are directing each comment towards to avoid more misunderstandings.

[Kaoru Chujo]

The people who are watching this show for the comedy should be shoot and fed to the ducks. :heh: Oh, no! That would be me! Of course, I'm watching it for a lot of other things, too, so maybe the quackers will feast on someone else. But the deep, subtle and bizarre comedy is what attracted me first.

[panzerfan]

(Ironic that the same kind of discussion broke out over 4chan...)

Add me to that list of being fed to the ducks! This series is comedy, just not slapstick. Kyon's comedic timing with his sarcasm's almost dead-on.

[arias]

I think that people sometimes don't seem to "get" certain shows or anime simply because of their background. Haruhi's "tsun" side and Kyon's sarcasm are not rarities as character components in asian media literature. In fact, we have plenty of tsundere stories, and they are just very adorable to us... this is not to say that American/European literature has no tsunderes -- it's just much less common.

I don't need to give more Japanese examples; they're obvious. Korea has "My Sassy Girl" is the prime example of a tsundere... and plenty of spinoffs that has this similar sort of female character. Even in chinese martial art novels (wu xia xiao shuo), there are some examples of "tsundere" in some degree or another.. however, they are hardly depicted in an adorable fashion; but rather something like an ice-cold beauty... (e.g. Xiao Long Nu from Shen Diao Xia Lu).

In some sense, these characters have "tsundere" as their stable character trait.


However, in western literature, the approach is more progressive.. that is, we have characters CHANGING from cold, dismissive, arrogant (tsun-like characteristics) to warm, humble, honest and loving (dere-like characteristics).

In other words, even the internal traits of characters are expected to change, whereas asian tsundere characters are employed such that they *reveal* their softer side; and not change to it.



As such, I think it can be difficult for some Westerners to understand the asian concepts and background themes running through anime and other shows.

GODDAMIT! I HATE RAPID SHARE! never ever works for me.


I'll put them up for you asap. Does Yousendit work for you?

[Onizuka-GTO]

Cheers Arias! yousendit have worked for me in the past.

And I agree, with you about the cultural difference, in Oriential cultures, when a bloke falls for a women that was a cold bitch, we just think he likes being abused... :D But in western cultures, well you kinda expect the women to change, well become more nicer anyway.... :rolleyes:

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'm watching/reading to see whether Haruhi finds what she desires in this world or whether she ends up depressed and angry like in Volume 1. The whole reality altering thing seems like a temptation to take the easy way out that is presented to her from time to time. I don't think she'll use it like Kyon thinks in episode 11, I think she'll work towards it the hard way like in episode 12 with the whole singing to the best of her ability thing. Her character is evolving I must say.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

As I mentioned in another forum...

It was mentioned in the novel that the songs were suppose to be "flawed", because Yuki and Haruhi were not able to team up with the band members after such a short time.

Haruhi is suppose to have your standard issues of no practice at all before a performance.

While Yuki's guitar skills were so beyond the level of the others that there were sync issues.

That's why Haruhi apologizes for a "bad" performance after the first song, and that the original CD of the band was bought by customers as a preference to the live-record version. The novel translation would explain better...

Anyway, so this isn't meant to be a straight rip of the music soon to be available on the CD single in Japan, but, like episode zero, has artificial imperfections.

An example of an opposite would be a song sang by Lacus in Gundam Seed. The song would be a straight CD rip, with no connection to the instruments and sound systems used on stage in the animation.

And I appear to be right, since the songs played in the TV episode were "stripped down" versions more in line with what is acheivable with high school students and cheap sound systems, rather than a professional recording done in a real studio. (Aya got a backup singer in the CD version, too.)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Since the band Haruhi was helping out was called ENOZ, and someone said it was a parody of the real life girl-band ZONE, I looked for videos of them.

Sure enough, the members consist of a base, two guitarists, and a drummer.
Are they any good? You be the judge.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tSaksjWOqaM&mode=related&search=ZONE

[Onizuka-GTO]

well thats not really a good song by Zone, yeah i confess, i'm a Zone fanboy. my favourite one was Good Day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyo81jwhdw

Cute girls + Guitar Skills + Rock = music pron. :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

As I mentioned in another forum...



And I appear to be right, since the songs played in the TV episode were "stripped down" versions more in line with what is acheivable with high school students and cheap sound systems, rather than a professional recording done in a real studio. (Aya got a backup singer in the CD version, too.)


Well I'm glad that it was realistic and not some bullshit "Best Song Ever", I don't care even if you are Haruhi and you are multi-talented (She seems to excel most at sports and feats of endurance due to her stamina and genki personality, though when it comes to thinking rationally about a situation and using her head well.....) (Also at least they didn't go overboard and make her as outlandishly ridiculous as Haruka and Michiru from Sailor Moon S who are LITERALLY perfect at everything, rather than just skilled) you can't pull of great stuff without practice and hard work (See Nekki Basara), and I'm glad they didn't try to do that. I was seriously beginning to worry for a while there around about episode 6-8 that they were going to turn Haruhi into a Lacus type character, you know one is perfect in every single way ($@%$ Lacus by the way, what a boring character).

Now they are doing a good job at showcasing some character flaws of pretty much everybody (Kyon's Sarcasm and sometimes irrational criticism towards Haruhi, I mean she is difficult but come on give her a break every now and then, Mikuru basically just being Mikuru [Weak-willed, naive and timid], Yuki's communication difficulties and lack of being able to have fun for the most part, and Haruhi's controlling selfish nature and arrogance that she is just beginning to realize may need to be toned down a wee bit, not to mention abysmal strategic ability, oh and Itsuki's tendency to be nosy, annoying and a close-talker, although he still seems to be stuck in that mode, maybe they should focus on him a little more)

Oh and Zone did the opening of Astro Boy 2003 which I thought was really good (What Is The Reason of My Life, Reason of My Birth, Question of Man, What He Is...., What He Wants). Did I mention that I'd give a leg if somebody out there would sub this or they'd stop releasing dub only versions of Astro Boy, anyways thats another story.

[Hunter Nin.]

Aaaaaarrrrggghhhh! I love Yuki so much! God she is good!

[Onizuka-GTO]

thanks diekrai. :)

best part of that episode is watchingYuki play the guitar, i literally had my jaw on the floor, i mean i know she can do anything, but really, the finger motion capture just really set things alight! and not to mention the drumming motion on second replays. and Haruhi's singing it all fits together...all because yuki 1337-ness. yuki ftw!!!

:D :D

[Prodigious]

The drummer is even cuter than Haruhi. It hardly seems possible but it's true!

[Takisho]

How do people have the songs already? Was it released as a single prior to Haruhi? Just wondering :p

[Onizuka-GTO]

i dunno. haruhiismmust of sped up the release date so that we can get it on the same day the episode was aired. what a great *coincident* or what? :p

[Lost]

I dunno, a rip of the single is already out I think. Somewhere, somewhere... :heh:

well thats not really a good song by Zone, yeah i confess, i'm a Zone fanboy. my favourite one was Good Day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyo81jwhdw

Cute girls + Guitar Skills + Rock = music pron.
Their drummer is so CUTE!! About EMOZ, I thought that EMOZ's guitarist was cuter than Haruhi. Cuter than Yuki in fact. *gets shot*

[C.A.]

As I mentioned in another forum...

And I appear to be right, since the songs played in the TV episode were "stripped down" versions more in line with what is acheivable with high school students and cheap sound systems, rather than a professional recording done in a real studio. (Aya got a backup singer in the CD version, too.)
I love the CD versions, definitely great music, Hirano Aya is quickly becoming my favourite singer.

But I actually felt more drawn in by the TV version, maybe because Hirano Aya actually did put in more force for the voice of Haruhi at the same time more passion. This combined with the well animated expressions, the animation of the entire band. Looking or being at a band concert is always produces a stronger effect.

[Erhjegel]

Edited for me being a numbnuts. Lol.

Can't wait to see this ep.

[Shirobane]

Yeesh, I see things got a bit ugly from my post. Sorry everyone for detracting the focus of the discussion, I didn't intend any harm.
Edit: Kaoshin-sama no harm done. I accept your appology and extend my own for the misunderstanding.

I love the CD versions, definitely great music, Hirano Aya is quickly becoming my favourite singer.

But I actually felt more drawn in by the TV version, maybe because Hirano Aya actually did put in more force for the voice of Haruhi at the same time more passion. This combined with the well animated expressions, the animation of the entire band. Looking or being at a band concert is always produces a stronger effect.

I felt this way too, but I figured it was because it felt concert-like (read: natural) during the scene rather than artificialness of a digitized CD version. To me, digital sound has a tendency to overcompensate the singing quality, sometimes giving off an un-natural air. Not to say that the CD version is bad...but maybe a bit too good?

[Erhjegel]

Here's a question, hopefully its not that off topic.

Is a second season (considering all the episodes that have been shown, and those that will be shown in mind) be plausible?

I mean, they did refere to Tanabata, so I don't think that'll be left out, but they barely have time to show what exactly happened during then. So maybe it's a second season prequel or something?

[C.A.]

I felt this way too, but I figured it was because it felt concert-like (read: natural) during the scene rather than artificialness of a digitized CD version. To me, digital sound has a tendency to overcompensate the singing quality, sometimes giving off an un-natural air. Not to say that the CD version is bad...but maybe a bit too good?You can say that, but can also see it in this way: Custom made items often look cooler than mass produced items, but you sacrifice quality.

We also have a discussion on another forum I visit, its about computer music vs human music. As perfect as computer music can be, it still lacks the soul and passion, the emotions a human can create.

lol, excuse all my talk about passion and such, I sing in choirs :p

[Truth-kun]

Here's a question, hopefully its not that off topic.

Is a second season (considering all the episodes that have been shown, and those that will be shown in mind) be plausible?

I mean, they did refere to Tanabata, so I don't think that'll be left out, but they barely have time to show what exactly happened during then. So maybe it's a second season prequel or something?

They would probably show another arc from the novel (I don't know what, maybe Disappearance?). I think they didn't show what really happened 3 years ago with Haruhi, so maybe the second season would concentrate there. There are still a lot of mini-stories/character development stories in Boredom and the other Volume (I forgot) that could be included in the second season as well.

[Shirobane]

You can say that, but can also see it in this way: Custom made items often look cooler than mass produced items, but you sacrifice quality.

We also have a discussion on another forum I visit, its about computer music vs human music. As perfect as computer music can be, it still lacks the soul and passion, the emotions a human can create.

lol, excuse all my talk about passion and such, I sing in choirs :p
Of course, as mighty as technology is in enhancing sound, it is ultimately non-sentient and therefore cannot produce (or re-produce in this case) emotion effectively. Another way to look at it is that sound is inherently analog, therefore when digitizing sound there will be a sort of un-naturalness to it

Here's a question, hopefully its not that off topic.

Is a second season (considering all the episodes that have been shown, and those that will be shown in mind) be plausible?

I mean, they did refere to Tanabata, so I don't think that'll be left out, but they barely have time to show what exactly happened during then. So maybe it's a second season prequel or something?
There are 8 novels released for Suzumiya Haruhi and this series only really covers the first volume with a dip in some of the other chapters. The novels do not seem to be ending very soon therefore if a second season is to be considered, there's still a lot of material to work from.

Edit: damn, Truth-kun beat me to the punch :heh:

[Erhjegel]

Yeah, I know about the novels, but I'm just curious about their mentioning of the Tanabata event. Was that KyoAni's way of saying "maybe we'll show it in a second season!" or was it a "read the novels to find out!" thing?

Either way, a second season must be done.

[Truth-kun]

Hopefully! (Yeah, KyoAni must be crazy if they didn't show Haruhi on a second season!)

In which episode was the Tanabata event three years ago was said? I was curious about that also. And to the Kyon's mole scene on Episode 8 (which didn't appear on the novel o.o) too, I wonder what they meant.

[Woland]

In which episode was the Tanabata event three years ago was said?


Somewhere in episode 7 (misterique sign) but I don't remember exactly when.:)

[Kaioshin Sama]

i dunno. haruhiismmust of sped up the release date so that we can get it on the same day the episode was aired. what a great *coincident* or what? :p

So Haruhism is shameless commercialism it all makes sense now.

[Erhjegel]

']Somewhere in episode 7 (misterique sign) but I don't remember exactly when.:)
Kyon: She's not going to start talking about what happened during Tanabata three years ago, isn't she?

During Mysterique Sign, yeah.

There's other references, but I'd have to check that episode, as well as other episodes (because I'm sure it was said on another episode).

[Woland]

Kyon: She's not going to start talking about what happened during Tanabata three years ago, isn't she?

During Mysterique Sign, yeah.

There's other references, but I'd have to check that episode, as well as other episodes (because I'm sure it was said on another episode).

That's the line ;)

The only other reference of Tanabata I remember is the one at the beginning of the same episode, a quote of "Bamboo Leaf Rapsody" (obviously we are not talking about three years ago Tanabata ;)).

I still have to read any chapter of the novel however (I'm waiting for the end of the serie) :)

[Spiritus]

Anyone notice it's a blue skirt instead of a green in the intro? ...or maybe it's the crappy quality on youtube XD

[Vexx]

I dunno, a rip of the single is already out I think. Somewhere, somewhere... :heh:


Their drummer is so CUTE!! About EMOZ, I thought that EMOZ's guitarist was cuter than Haruhi. Cuter than Yuki in fact. *gets shot*

Oh my flarking godz..... you've just wasted another wad of my money --- aieeee, the cute!!

awwwwww, ZONE broke up? Well... apparently their albums are still selling....

Can't find anything on EMOZ at cdjapan ... got any links or references to the band?

[SlugZilla]

The ZONE parody is in name only but the band is a parody of the movie "Linda Linda Linda". And I was rofling at Akihiro Miwa.

[Vexx]

Concerning a potential second season for Haruhi: so far we've seen very little merchandising outside of the novels themselves (a CD or two, virtually nada on the figurine scene). Of course, the novels are flying off the shelves. Usually a second season happens when the cashflow shows it would be worthwhile because it doesn't really matter if the fans love it if they don't BUY STUFF. So I keep wondering where the merchandise is --- otherwise I'd say a second season is a no-brainer decision.

Crossing my fingers that our lovely and talented subbers are able to get the release out today :)

[C.A.]

So Haruhism is shameless commercialism it all makes sense now.Its not exactly, shameless commercialism, but Haruhi taught us that items can be free when you want it:D

But even so true Haruhists still make sure that every Haruhi merchandise gets out of stock lol

[Vexx]

I just found what appears to be a farewell performance by ZONE from last year .... they don't appear to be very happy about ending at all ... someone care to PM me on why they broke up?

In some respects ZONE and Hinoi Team remind me a bit of the early "girl bands" of the 80s (Go Gos, Bangles, etc) so I suppose like most Japanese pop/rock stuff they're kind of nostalgic for me (most j-music seems to have a 20-30 year retro feel to me).

[Catgirls]

Please stop posting links to music rips people. Especially in this thread. I'm sorry, but we don't allow links to "MP3"s of this type. The rules of the Suzumiya Haruhi music (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=32671) discussion apply through out the entire forum: Feel free to discuss any music related subjects for Suzumiya Haruhi here (OP/ED & OST, etc.). As per the usual rule, NO POSTING LINKS TO MP3s OR ASKING FOR THEM. You may buy them at the usual place such as cdjapan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/) and what not.Yes, I like the music also (I love it!) and I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but please don't post links to music rips. Sorry for the inconvenience, but thanks for your understanding and cooperation. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. Thanks. Cheers.

[C.A.]

The subs are here! Check with a.f.k.

[Vexx]

Please stop posting links to music rips people. Especially in this thread. I'm sorry, but we don't allow links to "MP3"s of this type. The rules of the Suzumiya Haruhi music (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=32671) discussion apply through out the entire forum: Yes, I like the music also (I love it!) and I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but please don't post links to music rips. Sorry for the inconvenience, but thanks for your understanding and cooperation. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. Thanks. Cheers.

apologies if it looked like I was asking for warez or rips .... all I'm interested in are legit sites or vendors about the bands in question. I did find the cdjapan listings for them. So far, only the "intro" CD by Hirano seems to be available (no OSTs spotted).

[Aiya Kasai]

Wow, this episode was weird cause Haruhi was too nice and calm....it was starting to creep me out. I was like WHATS GOING ON?! Anyways....did anyone see Hard Gay, or was it just me?

[Kiomi]

I loved this episode, Haruhi was really nice in this one and she sings good O.o

HardGay was in the show! yay! :heh:

[Catgirls]

apologies if it looked like I was asking for warez or rips .... all I'm interested in are legit sites or vendors about the bands in question. I did find the cdjapan listings for them. So far, only the "intro" CD by Hirano seems to be available (no OSTs spotted).No it's cool. That wasn't directed toward you. Just trying to keep the direct links to MP3s or Torrents out of the thread/forum. That's all. Chat all you want about the music.

[CrowKenobi]

Just watched the sub and now that I can understand the dialogue, this ep gets a 10 from me!! :bow: :bow:

Once again a.f.k. has done an outstanding job with the sub! :D

[clearacell]

I think the grass blowing back in Haruhi's face was one of the most romantic things I've ever seen.

[Kamui4356]

Overall, I have to give this episode an 8. The main reason is it completely left out the sense of discord the audience felt in the novel. If they had included that, I probably would have given it a 9. Other than that, I thought the episode was very well done. I especially liked the very last part. Even Haruhi can mature a bit, and they did a good job of protraying that. Overall a good job by KyoAni. :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Is it just me or does Haruhi's first song sound very similar to parts of Selena's theme from SRW Alpha 3 Invisible A.S

[Aiya Kasai]

I think the grass blowing back in Haruhi's face was one of the most romantic things I've ever seen.
I agree....lol

[diopter]

Overall, I have to give this episode an 8. The main reason is it completely left out the sense of discord the audience felt in the novel. If they had included that, I probably would have given it a 9.

In the novel they also played more songs in order for the audience to develop the discordance, as you so put it. I too would have liked it, believe me :D , but there just wasn't enough time to play all the songs and perhaps it may be strange for those who have not read the novel to wonder why the audience was in total silence. Then Itsuki would have had to explain to Kyon why the audience was like this, which would take up more time (and they ran out of time already).

Overall it was an easy 10 for me. It was nice to see them play different genres than the happy-genki songs they've done so far (OP, ED, Koi no Miracle Densetsu aka Mikuru special :p ).

I loved the guitar part, which was supposed to be played by Yuki in the anime. It put a heavy emphasis on the shock value of how fast she learned the guitar and how well it was. The grass blowing back on Haruhi was also very cute and sweet. Yet another masterpiece episode by KyoAni.

[M.D. Geist]

Just watched the sub and now that I can understand the dialogue, this ep gets a 10 from me!! :bow: :bow:

Once again a.f.k. has done an outstanding job with the sub! :D

there are however lots of signs and possible references left untranslated though =(

@epi
yuki solo was a bit too short imho
+ kyonani forgot to animate one background

[panzerfan]

I remember that the author for Tsukihime novel said something in the lines of that novel needs 500% more detail than motion pictures to captivate the audience and to get the message across. I suppose that means that you can only realistically squeeze 20% of the details into an animation without losing focus in converse. I think that KyoAni has done an outstanding job here with their selections to maximize the effectiveness of the medium so I've no qualm with them.

This episode's execution is beautiful to me.

[M.D. Geist]

something in the lines of that novel needs 500% more detail than motion pictures to captivate the audience and to get the message across. I suppose that means that you can only realistically squeeze 20% of the details into an animation without losing focus in converse.

For me it sounds like its much easier to animate stuff since you dont need lots of time to show/describe an audience in a motion picture , do you?!

So i kinda dont get your idea of only 20% ...

One of the reasons kyonani didnt portrait the confused audience longer, and didnt animate more songs would just simple be : TIME .... (and money i guess ^^)

[Decel]

It's an awesome episode in terms of art. I'm amazed at how detailed the music playing was. I'm not sure if it's correct, since I don't play instruments, but I'll assume it is. And here I thought Beck had great detail.

I'm giving it a 9.

[Radiosity]

Still watching. However, I had to take a quick break to post this:

Tsuruya + Maid outfit = WIN :D

[Danj]

Actually, the CD containing the two songs from episode 12 is already out in Japan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4268)!

[npal]

I didn't believe I'd live to see this. Haruhi was almost human :p

The animation was excellent.
Too bad there was so little Mikuru, but all the other girls managed to cover up.

I can't believe it's only one more episode to go... Oh well..

[Radiosity]

Haruhi's reaction after the first song was wonderful. That's the first time she's shown anything other than her usual self-important determination :) Both songs were really great too, can't wait to get my hands on those.

And just to restate: Tsuruya was godly in this episode :D

[Incoan]

I remember that the author for Tsukihime novel said something in the lines of that novel needs 500% more detail than motion pictures to captivate the audience and to get the message across.
Wasn't that 300% ? I think he said that since novels contain only texts to tell the story and motion pictures audio , video and plot alltogether , the former needs to be at least 3 times as interesting as its counterpart to be succesfull.
Now where did I hear this from anyway...

[Sheba]

While it was not as good as the two former episodes, imo, Tsuruya having screen time, Kyon's narration that delivers (I laughed at his Tsuruya's impersonation) and KyoAni's work on the concert scene left me giving it a 8.

In my opinion, upon a second viewing, there are something, other than Haruhi's singing and Yuki's hax guitar skills , that made the episode more valuable.
It was Haruhi starting to question herself, and Kyon giving her a smile especially after all the harsh criticism he gave her.

[panzerfan]

Yea, it's been a long time since I seen that comment (although that would mean that animation's squeezing 1/3 of the detail, with great difficulty at that). At any rate it's still a very valid point.

The SOS Brigade is a learning experience for not only Haruhi but everyone else. I find Haruhi's display of humanity to only be a part of that. Kyon finds out something from this experience himself, being that one must not allow any factor to divert his or her driving force while carrying out an act.

[arias]

I didn't believe I'd live to see this. Haruhi was almost human :p

I can't believe it's only one more episode to go... Oh well..

Two more episodes, actually.

And Haruhi has always been human... I think the word that you guys are looking for is "humane".


Wasn't that 300% ? I think he said that since novels contain only texts to tell the story and motion pictures audio , video and plot alltogether , the former needs to be at least 3 times as interesting as its counterpart to be succesfull.

300% is right. I really don't like this sort of self-blowing though; because it sort of implies how great a job the author himself has done. Fact is, although media like anime do have an advantage in its visual and audio medium, it takes MUCH more work than writing a novel. We have entire staffrooms working on animation, coloring, editing, syncing, composing, directing, etc simultaneously.

Unless the novel is serialized, authors also have alot of control over the time taken to write their works; whereas anime production teams usually have to handle a demanding schedule where the director has to run a tight ship. If a novel can convince non-regular (book) readers to pick up the novel and go all the way, then ya, it's an accomplishment I guess. But if it appeals to already established readers, then I'm not suprised that they would find it interesting -- after all, these are possibly the sort who find Tolstoy interesting. Anyway, just disliking implicit self-inflating claims.





And finally, the episode was subbed so quickly! Nice : ) It was great.. I'm actually excited to see the ending two weeks from now, and not really disappointed that the series wasn't any longer. This is because having read the novel up till volume 7, it becomes highly episodic.. like a Fumoffu, rather than having a forward moving central storyline as its focus.

I'm not sure how a second season, if decided upon, will be put together.. although there are some stories I'd really love to see animated (Vol 4 especially). Still, the material becomes quite thin when there's no progress.. My honest guess is that I'll find it to grow increasingly inane (like Oh My Goddess) if its episodic nature continues. I'd rather have this high quality baby polished up to perfection up to its final episode, and then see whether the novel continues to provide real, progressive material to be animated.

[Mizuno]

the 2chan links are leading to porn, some people should remove them.

[Catgirls]

the 2chan links are leading to porn, some people should remove them.Thanks. Done.

[Ongaku_no_tenshi]

This is episode really rocked! And being the soundtrack collector I am, I can't wait for my cd to get here. I've had this cd preordered two months in advance.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4268&ref=myp

I can't wait to recieve the cd even more now that I know that both of the concert songs in this episode and the song Mikuru sings in the very first episode for that student film will be on it.

[mikeymccl1]

So, there are only 2 more episodes for the series... WAH!! I'm so sad about this. However, this episode being as awesome as it was I am not as sad as I have been.

I have been thinking recently that with the popularity that this series is garnering in Japan and all the fans on this side of the water already clamoring for the release of the dvd collection that this can't possibly end with 14 episodes. Maybe this should be in the speculation thread but what the heck I am already typing this out here.

Wouldn't the second season be called the Sighs of Suzumiya Haruhi? Therefore there really would be only 14 episodes for this series because the series would be shown under a different title. It could be wishful thinking, I know, but it only makes sense to change the name considering that the story line for the Melancholy branch of novels is complete with episode 14/VI.

GAH! I hope that I'm not crazy and it really does continue. I love this damn show and that crazy Haruhi.

HARUHI FOREVER!

[Argent]

I'm pretty sure we'll see a Season 2. By then there'll be more novel chapters for them to use, too. Maybe they'll decide to do a full season next time!

I loved this episode. I was surprised how good the music was. They obviously were rotoscoping the band to get the fingerings and other movements right. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they took the band and staged a concert so they'd have both the audio and the visuals to use in the episode. I'd bet Aya-san's ragged breathing between songs was real and the idea for Haruhi's sweaty face came from the video reference as well.

[Deathkillz]

subs are out...DLing atm cnt wait to watch :heh: cosplay for the win :D

[Ongaku_no_tenshi]

I'm going to wait for my first press copy of the cd to arrive. I only have to wait three or four more days until I recieve it (I picked EMS for the shipping method). I'm going to play "God Knows" (the first song Haruhi sings during the concert) over and over.

[Onizuka-GTO]

I'm going to wait for my first press copy of the cd to arrive. I only have to wait three or four more days until I recieve it (I picked EMS for the shipping method). I'm going to play "God Knows" (the first song Haruhi sings during the concert) over and over.


*is currently listening to "God Knows" for ages now*

Everytime I hear the Solo i can see the Yuki's finger moving, she is the ONE! :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Man if I were the Music production company CEO I would have charged 10000 Yen for the disc because I know most people here still would have bought it. In fact Kyoto Animation could get away with so much concerning the popularity of this show

Haruhi: Everybody grab a knife and stabby stabby kill your family and Kaioshin_Sama, oh and don't forget to send a check with 2000 Yen enclosed to Kyoto Animation at (Insert address here).

Rabid Fans: Yes, must kill family and Kaioshin_Sama, give Haruhi money, BRAINS!

I could see it happening. :uhoh:

[Onizuka-GTO]

Man if I were the Music production company CEO I would have charged 10000 Yen for the disc because I know most people here still would have bought it. In fact Kyoto Animation could get away with so much concerning the popularity of this show

Haruhi: Everybody grab a knife and stabby stabby kill your family and Kaioshin_Sama, oh and don't forget to send a check with 2000 Yen enclosed to Kyoto Animation at (Insert address here).

Rabid Fans: Yes, must kill family and Kaioshin_Sama, give Haruhi money, BRAINS!

I could see it happening. :uhoh:


*Stabby Stabby family and Kaioshin_Sama*

Yes...must...send...2000yen...no wait im skint. dammit.

*wallows in student debt*

:)

[Ongaku_no_tenshi]

That was pretty harsh. While that may be true in some cases, there are fans out there who generally love the show and are sensible and not rabid. I myself, have been collecting anime ost's and j-pop/j-rock cd's for years. I really like the music in this series so these cd's are just going to join my extensive collection.

[Laxe]

Wow! I loved this episode - especially the music! Already purchased my cd and it's hopefully gonna be here by early next week! This series has simply been amazing and I really do hope they make a second season soon!

[Midrange]

Is it just me or is Koizumi playing a part in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_%26_Guildenstern_Are_Dead)? :heh:

[DwArD]

Just watch the subbed episode. Looooooved this episode as we get to see another side of Haruhi. I was feeling kinda moody too when Haruhi's feeling moody but I'm glad she's back to her old self in the end. Seems like the only person that can influence Haruhi is Kyon. She seems to recover extremely fast when Kyon is with her. And yeah, I gotta agree the songs were pretty decent. I just can't stop listening to them now!

[Orchunter226]

Good episode, I gave it a 9.

Prob saying the same things others have said.

More KyonxHaruhi development, as expected. But I really liked how they portrayed the different sides of Haruhi. She was so moody this episode. I think she wants to be seen with Kyon more and wants other's to see them as a couple now, even if she won't say it. That's why she had Kyon come up with her when she was talking to the other girls. And then at the end she turned around so quick when with Kyon. Good episode over all.

Oh, and I really liked the music, who didn't?

[Deathkillz]

ive also just watched the subs and it seemed to have confused me a bit...throughout the ep suzumiya seemed out of place...not her usual self...why is that? why is it that when she is being praised/appreciated she goes all moody? felt a bit depressing to me...even so a definate 10 seeing she was fine at the end...the grass bit was very cute ^^ shes hugable XD

ps...loved the song!!! cnt get enough of it...must have it...

[Orchunter226]

ive also just watched the subs and it seemed to have confused me a bit...throughout the ep suzumiya seemed out of place...not her usual self...why is that? why is it that when she is being praised/appreciated she goes all moody? felt a bit depressing to me...even so a definate 10 seeing she was fine at the end...the grass bit was very cute ^^ shes hugable XD

ps...loved the song!!! cnt get enough of it...must have it...

I don't think being praised was the only cause of it. But it seems it helped. I think she saw that she doesn't have to wild things to have fun. She saw that people will like her if she just helps them out. It made her think about what she has been doing all this time, and what she has been doing with her life. She got thinking about those sort of things and made herself depressed I guess. But, Kyon cheered her up quickly it seems by just being near her.

[Deathkillz]

^ true point...thats why you shouldnt think about anything...its bad for you health :heh: i think she should just carry on charging forward and do wht she wants...god i so want that song for my mp3 XD

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yeah I liked the first song (VERY surprising) but not the second one that's for sure. The first one was done in a different voice than Haruhi's normal one kind of like Mylene's were in Macross 7, its a safe-guard against having a squeaky main character like Mylene or nasal character like Haruhi do a song that would make your ears bleed, which is what the second song did for me since it was in Haruhi's regular voice (I don't think she tried as hard on the second one). I think I mostly like the first song because to me it sounds like a vocal version of Invisible A.S (Assassin) the Alegrias theme from SRW Alpha 3 which is my favorite original song in the game tied with Another Time Diver and Gun of Dis, but it has its own merits, maybe someday it will make it onto one of my custom discs.

[FatPianoBoy]

Also, because Haruhi avoided "normal" things all the time by fruitlessly searching for extraordinary things, she probably feels like she missed out on a lot now.

[panzerfan]

(problem is the "normal" things that she is 'missing out' aren't all that normal... depending on what your definiton of normal is. If it's the 'normal' things that Kyon does that would be 'abnormal' to teen stereotypical behaviours.)

[Dakota]

Well, I noticed a couple things.

Everything gets more ridiculous, and I love it.

Haruhi plays a Rickenbacker guitar, Its a 300 series. Very expensive.

Yuki obviously plays a white Gibson, I think its a SG, but the pick board was the same color.

The bassist had a Fender, I think. Yawn.


But I liked how the music was animated very accurately! I checked the frets and bar chords Haruhi played, and the beginning solo and most chord were good!

So far, this is my favorite. 10.

[Sinestra]

wow what a an incrediable episode i mean damn. Haruhi in a bunny suit rocking it out with a guitar like she owned the place of course i gave it a 10 anyone who does not give this episode a 10 you have no heart. The ending scene with Kyon and her was a nice touch to see them in a nice serious quiet moment. Haruhi-ism lives on another day just to a rockin beat now

[FatPianoBoy]

(problem is the "normal" things that she is 'missing out' aren't all that normal... depending on what your definiton of normal is. If it's the 'normal' things that Kyon does that would be 'abnormal' to teen stereotypical behaviours.)

Yeah, Kyon gets caught up in some weird stuff :heh:
I mean like all the clubs she dropped, for one. She may be thinking now that they may have been fun if she'd given them a proper chance.

[Kaioshin Sama]

wow what a an incrediable episode i mean damn. Haruhi in a bunny suit rocking it out with a guitar like she owned the place of course i gave it a 10 anyone who does not give this episode a 10 you have no heart. The ending scene with Kyon and her was a nice touch to see them in a nice serious quiet moment. Haruhi-ism lives on another day just to a rockin beat now

My heart is as cold and black as Ebony.

[cipotlar]

hey guys, anybody knows the name of the orchestra/symphony music played when Kyon first entered the music hall? It sounds veryyyyy familiar

[CrowKenobi]

Good episode, I gave it a 9.

Prob saying the same things others have said.

More KyonxHaruhi development, as expected. But I really liked how they portrayed the different sides of Haruhi. She was so moody this episode. I think she wants to be seen with Kyon more and wants other's to see them as a couple now, even if she won't say it. That's why she had Kyon come up with her when she was talking to the other girls. And then at the end she turned around so quick when with Kyon. Good episode over all.

Oh, and I really liked the music, who didn't?I got the impression that Haruhi didn't want to talk to the band for some reason (fear? shyness?), and Kyon's reassuring presence was enough for her to face her fears and talk to the band (where she found out that she had nothing to worry about!).

[Decel]

Oh, and I really liked the music, who didn't?
The first song felt weird. I just couldn't match the voice with Haruhi the character.

[arias]

hey guys, anybody knows the name of the orchestra/symphony music played when Kyon first entered the music hall? It sounds veryyyyy familiar

I've played in Concert/Symphonic bands for 7 years, but I've never heard that song before. I don't think it's something from anime/game music literature although I could be wrong (unlikely). It's probably an authentic symphonic band song; which I think could likely be written by a local Japanese composer.. but the sample is too short for me to judge more accurately.

So, unless you're in the symphonic music scene, I think your sense of familiarity is deja vu :heh: :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

hey guys, anybody knows the name of the orchestra/symphony music played when Kyon first entered the music hall? It sounds veryyyyy familiar

It was Zelda-ish music.

[Anime Online]

Another excellent episode from KyoAni!

Memorable moments of the anime goes to :
- Yuki : Fortune telling alien and rockin' guitar performance!
- Haruhi : From the sweat-plastered strands of hair clinging her face to the bunny girl costume to her belting out an audience-rousing vocal performance, she's just great!
- Itsuki : Woah, his class is doing the play "Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead", which presents a worm's-eyeview of the classical tragedy, Shakespeare's Hamlet!
- Mai : Girl playing bass = too sexy
- Kyon : for being there for Haruhi during the last scene

[EDIT]

Oh, and honorable mention goes to :
- Nekkoman : They are everywhere, I tell you! Everywhere!

[Ardee]

What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)

[Anime Online]

What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)


It might be. Two aliens in fact, by either side of Kyon. Notice the UFO poster on the window to the left of the screenshot.


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3416/alien023kf.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alien023kf.jpg)

[DragoonKain3]

In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.

I guess you've forgotten that the laptops were willingly given by the computer society in a competition they suggested? After they cheated, no less?

The Haruhi of timeline episode 12 is different from Haruhi of timeline episode 2. People do change. There was several months between the extortion of the Athlon and the band incident, and a lot has happened since then. I guess you are disappointed that Haruhi is not as mean as you want her to be? Regardless, the next two episodes WILL clear up matters.

but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.
Why not? What do you think Yuutsu is about?

[Suiseiseki]

What in the world was that giant ogre-like thing that walked by Kyon at 2:25 right after the OP? The crook of its arm looks to be a foot above Kyon's and he's pretty tall. Unless the arms were fake (and it didn't look like it) it would be hard for a person to wear that costume. A real alien perhaps? :-)


Maybe Haruhi is a fan of The Fifth element?

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1019/5th6qu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.

We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?

Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.



While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.


I agree. She seemed to be a completely different person, and I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the previous episode because of that.:(

Plus it needed more scenes with Fang Girl in them.:D

[CrowKenobi]

In all honesty, I didn't like this episode that much. Sure it has that Tsuruya scene (who looks way better in that outfit than Mikuru, as it suits her amazingly long hair), but apart from the last minute or two Haruhi seemed liked she had a personality transplant.
We're talking about a girl that extorted not one, but 5 computers out of the computer club here. And all of a sudden she's helping this band who presumably she has never met before... because she symphatizes with them? And without wanting any compensation and to top it all off, being all too humble about it?
Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so. Maybe it would be explained in the next 2 episodes, but considering that most people guess that both would be the continuation of the Yuutsu ark, I highly doubt that this matter would be cleared.
While it's certainly one of the more entertaining episodes, it ranks lowest compared to the other episodes just for the unbelievable change (inconsistency?) of the protagoninst. I really would like this ep a bit better, since Kyon has I'm-smitten-with-another-girl-but-I-don't-know-it-yet written all over his face this episode, but alas the show's namesake failed miserably this time for me.

So what you are saying is that Haruhi's personality should be set in stone to what it was at the beginning of the show and not change at all??

Have you missed what Kyon's influence has had on her?

Do you discount her own explanation of why she helped the band?


And she exhorted only one computer from the Computer Club, the rest were won in that contest in "The Day of Sagittarius."

[FatPianoBoy]

So what you are saying is that Haruhi's personality should be set in stone to what it was at the beginning of the show and not change at all??
Have you missed what Kyon's influence has had on her?
Do you discount her own explanation of why she helped the band?

And she exhorted only one computer from the Computer Club, the rest were won in that contest in "The Day of Sagittarius."

:Nods:
If she didn't change, I think this would be a fairly average story. Watching the characters change adds a lot of enjoyment.
And considering everything that happens in the time between the beginning and episode 12, not altering personalities would be out-of-character.

[Anime Online]

Remember the true/Haruhi order of the anime series.

We have:
Episode 09 : Remote Island Syndrome I
Episode 10 : Remote Island Syndrome II
Episode 11 : ???
Episode 12 : Live A Live
Episode 13 : Day of Sagittarius
Episode 14 : Someday In The Rain

The true episode 11 has not yet been shown. I'm fully confident we would see more of Haruhi's character development in the final episode to end The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya season one.

So far, the anime has proven pretty consistent. For example, during Mysterique Signs (the true Episode 08), when Emiri Kimodori (the purported girlfriend of the Computer Society President) said her "boyfriend" family lives overseas, Haruhi responded by asking whether they are living in Canada.

Some people believe Canada is used because Ka-Na-Da is easy to pronounced in Japanese, but we begin to see that in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV (the true Episode 04), Canada is the place of mysterious disappearances of family members, where Ryoko Asakura's father had purportedly transferred to.

[Streetor]

Great episode. It still seems though Haruhi only feels comfortable around Kyon as can be seen when she forced Kyon to "escort" her when she was talking with the band members.

Ah ha, you are arguing over an anime. Harutards!~




....no

[Kamui4356]

It might be. Two aliens in fact, by either side of Kyon. Notice the UFO poster on the window to the left of the screenshot.


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3416/alien023kf.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alien023kf.jpg)


Sorry to kill your fun, but they're just costumes. Remember Yuki's explaination in episode 5. Humans were the first organic entities to develop higher order intelligence. Prior to that, only the data entities possessed it. As such, they could not have been aliens unless they were sent as interface terminals by the data entities, in which case, they would look like humans. ;)

*snip*
Remember, this epsiode takes place well after Haruhi extorted the comp. She's been through quite a bit since then. Even Haruhi has to mature somewhat. ;)

[Forever]

I give the ep a 9. Yup I do agree with others that the drummer is cute indeed! I wonder will she ever be listed if there is a cutest character poll?

[DrewGSR]

good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.

[Streetor]

good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.

You do know the three female voice actresses do the EP right?

[Truth-kun]

Haruhi is human afterall. I would agree that if a protagonist would have a static personality, and would not grow as the plot progresses, then the story would be a bust. As you can see, the anime explained Haruhi's change eversince the start of the series (Yuuutsu I), and not necessarily the chronological order.

Yuutsu I showed her initial personality (brash, antisocial, manipulative).
Yuutsu II showed a little change (she is actually capable of jealousy)
Boredom showed another change (first time she showed her mellow side to Kyon towards the end of that episode)
Lone Island I showed that she is quite normal too (beach scenes).
Lone Island II showed that she cares for her comrades.
Someday in the Rain showed a lot of her mellow side.

etc, etc. I could go on and on about the changes in Haruhi while the anime is going, but I'm late for my class @_@

[Anime Online]

Sorry to kill your fun, but they're just costumes. Remember Yuki's explaination in episode 5. Humans were the first organic entities to develop higher order intelligence. Prior to that, only the data entities possessed it. As such, they could not have been aliens unless they were sent as interface terminals by the data entities, in which case, they would look like humans. ;)



Actually, Yuki's exact words (according to the fansubbers) is "The emergence of self-awareness among the universe's maldistributed organic life forms was a common phenomenon. However, Terrestial humans were the first instance of evolution to a higher order of intelligence".

It is clear from what she said that there are other intelligent life forms (aliens) in the universe and that reaching this state of self-awareness is already a common phenomenon.

Moreover, Yuki's description of our solar system, as well as her description of humans as "bipedal organic life forms", infers a clear sense of organization, and such organization would be meaningless if humans are the only intelligent life form around. In other words, if someone were to describe it as "short red pencil", one would naturally infer that a "long red pencil" or a "short blue pencil" also exists.

[Kaioshin Sama]

good ep, was suprised that Haruhi had a good singing voice. I was assuming the worst and thinking it was going to be some horrible sounding song with comedy.

The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.
Check the credits. She sang it.

[DannyCat]

Remember the true/Haruhi order of the anime series.

We have:
Episode 09 : Remote Island Syndrome I
Episode 10 : Remote Island Syndrome II
Episode 11 : ???
Episode 12 : Live A Live
Episode 13 : Day of Sagittarius
Episode 14 : Someday In The Rain

The true episode 11 has not yet been shown.
Perhaps, though I still subscribe to the "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken 00 is Episode 11" theory, based on the fact that all true episode numberings have been chronological, and the completion of that film, chronologically, fits too-exactly-for-coincidence into the episode 11 slot.

[Orchunter226]

I disagree with some others that believe there is no reason for the sudden change. Haruhi herself at the end said why she was like this. She was wondering if the things she had done were meaningless. Everyone thinks about things like that sometime, and maybe Haruhi had been thinking about her actions. When the band needed help she realized that maybe helping others isn't meaningless. There was a reason for her change in mood. She was thinking to much... :P

[C.A.]

The second song Lost In Music or ever kind of was, kind of makes you wonder why they cut it off. Also is it just me or does the person singing the first song not sound like Aya Hirano at all but like the person that did Mylene Jenius singing voice in Macross 7. I mean its damn obvious Hirano did the opening, ending and second song but unless she has incredible range I think someone else did the first song.I'm afraid, that's the only flaw and a really big one for Fire Bomber.

Hirano Aya is just this impressive, as a singer and a VA. Her real personality and character is so far from Haruhi, when she speaks normally no one can believe she actually voiced Haruhi. Her normal vocie is quite high pitched, her singing voice is a soprano voice, but when she voice acts as Haruhi she's using a deeper tone and when she sings as Haruhi, she's actually singing in alto. That just shows how skilled she is in her singing abilities.

[Anime Online]

Perhaps, though I still subscribe to the "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken 00 is Episode 11" theory, based on the fact that all true episode numberings have been chronological, and the completion of that film, chronologically, fits too-exactly-for-coincidence into the episode 11 slot.

I agree that "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken" should chronologically fit between Episode 10 and 12. It's certainly very possible the series will end without any mention what Episode 11 actually is (when Kyon asked Haruhi what episode "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken" is, she did not answer), leaving us to fill in the blank that "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken" is Episode 11.

[JasonSolaris]

The Haruhi of timeline episode 12 is different from Haruhi of timeline episode 2. People do change. There was several months between the extortion of the Athlon and the band incident, and a lot has happened since then. I guess you are disappointed that Haruhi is not as mean as you want her to be? Regardless, the next two episodes WILL clear up matters.


Hi. I suppose over the course of 12 eps, it's not surprising that Haruhi might have changed. But since the eps are out of order and it seems like eps 01 happened just the morning/evening of cultural festival, where she was still loud and full of herself talking about their film at the end, I do agree that the degree of change was too drastic.

Still, I overall enjoyed the ep.
Thanks

[Jazzrat]

Not one of the best episode for me in the series but still nice, especially Tsuruya's maid cafe and the last scene with Kyon & Haruhi.

[C.A.]

Hi. I suppose over the course of 12 eps, it's not surprising that Haruhi might have changed. But since the eps are out of order and it seems like eps 01 happened just the morning/evening of cultural festival, where she was still loud and full of herself talking about their film at the end, I do agree that the degree of change was too drastic.

Still, I overall enjoyed the ep.
ThanksWell, just to let you know, the festival starts around 7/8 months after episode 1.

[Xinil]

I fully support the change behind Haruhi. I think if the anime weren't skipping around through the episodes, we would better be able to understand and see the changes as they come about. Instead, we're thrown somewhat into a new "personality" of Haruhi's. It's not because she had a personality transplant as someone put it. It's because we didn't see the changes in a chronological order.

I must admit, I was waiting, the whole freakin' episode, for Kyon to compliment Haruhi's singing. I was quite pissed when he never did. :(

[Green²]

Animators had to of had an lot of fun with this episode. -Definitely at around the concert scene. All timed up pretty good with the music, and with a good chance to go freestyle as to what to show.

...Yet all while Kyon is like, "OMFG!" throughout,.. probably such as like most of us.

They nailed it good.

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wow what a an incrediable episode i mean damn. Haruhi in a bunny suit rocking it out with a guitar like she owned the place of course i gave it a 10 anyone who does not give this episode a 10 you have no heart. The ending scene with Kyon and her was a nice touch to see them in a nice serious quiet moment. Haruhi-ism lives on another day just to a rockin beat now

[diopter]

I must admit, I was waiting, the whole freakin' episode, for Kyon to compliment Haruhi's singing. I was quite pissed when he never did. :(

Why? In case one has not realized by now, the story revolves around small, minute changes as opposed to sudden change of personality. If Kyon suddenly complimented Haruhi's singing openly to Haruhi, I'd be disappointed. I really liked how KyoAni showed us the viewers Kyon's true impression of Haruhi's singing by him tapping his finger, following the rhythm of the song. It's these subtle points that make the anime (and the novel) stand out from the rest of the crop.

[Truth-kun]

His eyes did. There was a scene (I forgot what time in the episode) where he stared at Haruhi with the "oh my god she's so good" look. Kinda like the expression when you see a really cute person and you suddenly fall in-love.

Eek, must stay away from romance mangas >_<;

[aodu]

I fully support the change behind Haruhi. I think if the anime weren't skipping around through the episodes, we would better be able to understand and see the changes as they come about. Instead, we're thrown somewhat into a new "personality" of Haruhi's. It's not because she had a personality transplant as someone put it. It's because we didn't see the changes in a chronological order.

I must admit, I was waiting, the whole freakin' episode, for Kyon to compliment Haruhi's singing. I was quite pissed when he never did. :(

same here - it's one of those eps where the singing part doesn't actually make me want to close my door so my family couldn't see the embarrassment.

And i totally agree on the personality change. Seems like a total different character at all prospective. She became..quite "normal" and "caring" (don't really remember her being ever caring except for the time she put her cardical on Kyon when he was asleep in the clubroom).

Maybe she ate something weird ;)

[aodu]

Why? In case one has not realized by now, the story revolves around small, minute changes as opposed to sudden change of personality. If Kyon suddenly complimented Haruhi's singing openly to Haruhi, I'd be disappointed. I really liked how KyoAni showed us the viewers Kyon's true impression of Haruhi's singing by him tapping his finger, following the rhythm of the song. It's these subtle points that make the anime (and the novel) stand out from the rest of the crop.

quality over quantity :)

reminds me of honey and clover out of all things :thinker:

[Xinil]

Why? In case one has not realized by now, the story revolves around small, minute changes as opposed to sudden change of personality. If Kyon suddenly complimented Haruhi's singing openly to Haruhi, I'd be disappointed. I really liked how KyoAni showed us the viewers Kyon's true impression of Haruhi's singing by him tapping his finger, following the rhythm of the song. It's these subtle points that make the anime (and the novel) stand out from the rest of the crop.

I agree with you totally. I don't think it would be out of character for Kyon to have said, "You can sing really well." I think he could have said it, Haruhi would have died of shock from being complimented by Kyon, and then I would have jumped out of my chair for joy. *cries*

Truth-kun, I understand exactly what you're saying. Kyon's eyes and facial expression told me everything that I wanted to hear. It was awesome. I just wish Haruhi could have heard it from him. :(

And yeah aodu, I've listened to a few songs from other anime series where headphones were definitely a necessity. :)

[C.A.]

And i totally agree on the personality change. Seems like a total different character at all prospective. She became..quite "normal" and "caring" (don't really remember her being ever caring except for the time she put her cardical on Kyon when he was asleep in the clubroom).
Besides the cardigan:p , Haruhi also showed that she can care for others in episode 8, Lone Island Syndrome II

Haruhi is more human than people think, we will learn why she's behaving like this next episode.

[Truth-kun]

What I really wished in this episode is that Haruhi will see Kyon and smile at him like she did at the Bassist. That would really fill my heart with joy. Hahaha. Or maybe if Haruhi saw Kyon's reaction, I wonder what would be like if that happened.

C.A.: She is human afterall. A special kind though.

[aodu]

Remember in ep 2 where asakura said something about making suzumiya more open to the class? Well mission accomplished: a job well done Kyon :)

[Liquidwax]

Is it just me or is Koizumi playing a part in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_%26_Guildenstern_Are_Dead)? :heh:

That is the play they are doing in that scene...
I really liked that reference, made my day, as that has always been a favorite movie / play of mine..

Plus, after watching the episode, this reference got me thinking.. In a way, Kyon is in a very similar situation in this series, to what Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are going through in that play... An orchestrated reality, where everyone seems to know what is going on except for him..

Probably not from the books (I'm not sure but would be suprised), but a nice added bit by someone(s) at KyoAni...

[Lost]

Oh my flarking godz..... you've just wasted another wad of my money --- aieeee, the cute!!

awwwwww, ZONE broke up? Well... apparently their albums are still selling....

Can't find anything on EMOZ at cdjapan ... got any links or references to the band?
Ah. :heh: I'm so sorry, I misspelled that. Its ENOZ. (which, has someone may have pointed out, is ZONE backwards). Since they showed it here,

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right before the band came out, I'm assuming that thats the name of the band. As I was saying, their guitarist is cute. :)

Or maybe if Haruhi saw Kyon's reaction, I wonder what would be like if that happened.
This one?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2840/2nd8ti.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2nd8ti.jpg)

Good things wouldn't happen, for sure. :p Anyway, as always, Kyon's reactions in this episode were hilarious.

[Kaioshin Sama]

It would have been ten times better if they did the following segment from MST3K instead of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead:

Mike: Hello, and welcome to "Alas, Poor Who?" Now as you know, last week, our reigning champion, Mr. Tom Servo, won the fortknight supply of mutton. And he's back this week to face another challenger.
Servo: Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike.
Mike: Tom uh, remind the folks at home what you do, again.
Servo: Mike uh, I'm a small robot who lives with you.
Mike: Robot who lives with me, well that's interesting. Okay. Your challenger, Crow T. Robot. How are you, sir?
Crow: I'm feeling good, Mike. Thanks.
Mike: Mmm-hmm. And what do you do, sir?
Crow: I'm also a small robot who lives with you.
Mike: Wow, seems to be a popular job these days. Let's get down to action. Okay, for you folks at home, the object of the game is to visually identify a person by some part of his or her skeletal system. And Servo, you'll be starting with this lovely femur.
Crow: Ooh.
Servo: Okay.
Mike: You have ten seconds, go.


Servo: Let's see, alas poor Larry Hagman? No, no, no. Alas poor Kathryn Graham. No, alas poor... I got it. Alas poor Bismarck Kee.
Mike: Exactly. Bismarck Kee. His femur. Suprisingly delicate, isn't it? Alright, well played. Okay Crow, are you ready to give it a whirl?
Crow: Oh I sure am, Mike.
Mike: Okay then, here's a clavicle. Whose is it?
Crow: Wow. Uh, I want to say Tim Conway, but no, more like Dr. Dean Ornish. Germane Greer. Peter Satara. Geez, no. I'm gonna go with Nancy Allen, Mike.
Mike: Please state it in "Alas Poor" form.
Crow: Oh yeah, alas poor Nancy Allen.
Mike: Is right!
Crow: Yeah!
Mike: Okat, that's a fine clavicle she has there. Must've drank lots of milk. Okay, it's tied up here. Servo, who belongs to this ileum?
Servo: Oh that's easy, Mike. Alas poor Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. Ah wait, no. Alas poor Rolan Gift. Yeah, I'm gonna go with alas poor Rolan Gift.
Mike: Ooh, I'm sorry. Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.
Servo: Oh, darn.
Mike: Close, though. Okay, Crow. You could win with this one. Whose are these series of metatarsal bones?
Crow: Oh, ooh! I know this one, easy! Ralph Wait!
Mike: They are indeed the metatarsals of Ralph Wait. But alas, incorrect form for the second time, and so you don't get the points, and you don't win. You both lose, and that's all the time we have. We'll be back next week with another edition of "Alas, Poor Who?"
Servo: Uh Mike, we won't really be back next week, will we?
Mike: Not unless I get a codpiece.

Next episode "Alas Poor Kyon's Collarbone"

[diopter]

This one?

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Kyon's impression there got me really hard. I couldn't stop laughing as I tried to imagine being in Kyon's place, seeing Haruhi suddenly in a band with a bunny girl outfit :p .

[Kamui4356]

Actually, Yuki's exact words (according to the fansubbers) is "The emergence of self-awareness among the universe's maldistributed organic life forms was a common phenomenon. However, Terrestial humans were the first instance of evolution to a higher order of intelligence".

It is clear from what she said that there are other intelligent life forms (aliens) in the universe and that reaching this state of self-awareness is already a common phenomenon.

Moreover, Yuki's description of our solar system, as well as her description of humans as "bipedal organic life forms", infers a clear sense of organization, and such organization would be meaningless if humans are the only intelligent life form around. In other words, if someone were to describe it as "short red pencil", one would naturally infer that a "long red pencil" or a "short blue pencil" also exists.
I think you're defining intelligence too narrowly. It doesn't just refer to human level and above. Even among actual species living on earth, self awareness and intelligence aren't unique traits to humans. Dolphins, chimps, gorillas, and even dogs have demonstraited what many would consider self awareness and intelligence. The difference is the degree those species possess. ;)

It was clear from Yuki's statement that while intelligence was common, it was not on the same level as humans. If that level of intelligence was common, she wouldn't have said humans were the first to develop a higher order.

Further, Yuki said the development of that higher order of intelligence made humans something of interest to the data entities even before Haruhi. If it was common, why would that be? Humans would be just another insignificant species, not one that could possibly be of help in furthering the evolution of the data entities.

If you wish to discuss this further, perhaps we should take it to the episode 5 thread?

[Anime Online]

When Haruhi talked about making a new band near the end of the episode, she mentioned how she'll do the lyric-writing, songwriting, producing and choreography.

I'm beginning to have a vague sense of where the dancing ED comes from.

[Anime Online]

I think you're defining intelligence too narrowly. It doesn't just refer to human level and above. Even among actual species living on earth, self awareness and intelligence aren't unique traits to humans. Dolphins, chimps, gorillas, and even dogs have demonstraited what many would consider self awareness and intelligence. The difference is the degree those species possess. ;)

It was clear from Yuki's statement that while intelligence was common, it was not on the same level as humans. If that level of intelligence was common, she wouldn't have said humans were the first to develop a higher order.

Further, Yuki said the development of that higher order of intelligence made humans something of interest to the data entities even before Haruhi. If it was common, why would that be? Humans would be just another insignificant species, not one that could possibly be of help in furthering the evolution of the data entities.

If you wish to discuss this further, perhaps we should take it to the episode 5 thread?


If Yuki is only referring to Earth's inhabitants developing self-awareness and intelligence, why would she used terms such as "universe" and "maldistributed organic life form"? Afterall, she already said Data Life Forms have no physical body and are inorganic life forms. Put them together and it clearly says organic intelligent life forms are not limited to one tiny planet in the entire universe.

[Aiya Kasai]

When Haruhi talked about making a new band near the end of the episode, she mentioned how she'll do the lyric-writing, songwriting, producing and choreography.

I'm beginning to have a vague sense of where the dancing ED comes from.

O____O! My god I never thought of that! *blink* That would fit pretty well with Haruhi's character xD.

[Major Kerina]

I enjoyed this episode quite a lot. It was a mellower Haruhi but on the whole I think it was fun for all it suggested rather than directly showing.

[ShadowrazoR]

I haven't read through this entire thread, so please don't blame me if this is a repeat post.

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HAADO GEI!!! :heh:

[Lost]

[...] being all too humble about it? [...] Maybe it was better explained in the novel, but as far as the anime stands, there is no logical reason for her change of heart and no motivation for her doing so.

I felt that she was being humble because to Haruhi, she had gained much much more than what she gave of herself to the band. She finally got that good feeling that comes from helping others. And you can't deny that she enjoyed herself during the concert. More happiness in giving then in receiving (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2212/aass1ix.jpg) right?

About her motivation to help others, you are right, it was explained far better in the novel, I'm sadden that they condensed so so much for this part in the episode. But generally, its still there. "They've been frantically practicing for this day" (16:30) is reflected in:

"They worked so hard for this day! It wasn't much if your own efforts went down the drain, but you can't just throw away the efforts of your companions as well. I really hate seeing such situations."
Also, the sheer determination of the band leader, evident in the episode (in coming down - or rather, up - to school, attempting to play, and having to be stopped by the Executive Commitee member), touched Haruhi.

Yes, it was a kind of sympathy. But as others have mentioned, Haruhi is human, and she does have sympathy. In this case, her sympathy showed because the issue at hand really came close to her heart: Haruhi is the kind of headstrong person who thinks anything can be done with enough determination -- she could put herself in the band leader's shoes. She saw that it was really impossible for the band leader to perform, and she hated to let all the determination and hard work go to waste, and so she volunteered (pretty much in the heat of the situation too, so she didnt do much thinking; tho she rarely does).

As for the Computer Society Members, she showed no sympathy because they (and Mikuru) were just means to an end.
~~~~~~~~

Another thing: Its funny, in the Novel (or at least the Translation), there were only three members of the band, and it was the leader who both had tonsilitis and broke her wrist. edit: Ah, i see, they had to come up with 4 members because of the name ENOZ. Hmm. Hmmm. *feeling a bit cheated*

sorry to keep posting spoilers for the novel. i'll stop now.

[ECFNW]

A perfect 10.
We always say Haruhi rocks, and now she just proved it!
Definately one of the best episodes in the series.

[Truth-kun]

This one?

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No, the other one, where he was staring at Haruhi with a dazed look. Alot like when you stare at a girl you like. I think it was in the middle of the first song.

[DwArD]

I haven't read through this entire thread, so please don't blame me if this is a repeat post.

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HAADO GEI!!! :heh:
LOL! Too bad we didn't get to hear the "SEI SEI SEI"! I'm practically laughing my head off when I saw that.

Alright, back to topic. I don't know anything about the novels but seriously, if I were Kyon, I would have fallen in love with Haruhi in this episode. She seems more humane in this ep and I kinda like that side of Haruhi after all the god thingy.

[danholo]

It was a great episode. That music part came as a total surprise and I really enjoyed the first song.

[Lost]

No, the other one, where he was staring at Haruhi with a dazed look. Alot like when you stare at a girl you like. I think it was in the middle of the first song.
Yep. (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8148/snapshot200606211619461if.jpg) That look struck me too. I honestly think Kyons starting to notice Haruhi. You know.. in that way... :heh: