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Xellos-_^
2006-06-19, 15:08
2chan link is out.
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/3068918.htm
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-19, 17:29
the episode reminds be of a certain video game prologue
Touka: DIE MONSTER! you don't belong in this world
Hakuoro: uhhm....what do you mean
Touka: Mankind ill needs a ruler like you!
Hakouro: ......
Karura-nee san:but enough talk, have at you!!!
Tiberium Wolf
2006-06-20, 00:33
With Omni in hospital there seems to be no synopsis nor decent screenshots to be found.
With Omni in hospital there seems to be no synopsis nor decent screenshots to be found.
Agree. And I'm really looking forward to ep12 though....oh well, I suppose I have no choice but to wait....
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-20, 08:51
watched the raw already, not a bad episod ^^ currently dlding the chinese subs
http://rapidshare.de/files/23602324/utaware_12.zip.html
i took about 60 screencaps. the first 2 screencaps occur before the OP and the last 3 are parts of the preview
Nice episode, the mood is getting a bit darker and the fights looked decent this time as well. I especially liked the background music during the fight on the bridge, it really tensified the atmosphere well. Could have lasted a bit longer though.
But I also have some criticism; I would like to see more tension between Hakuoro and Eruruw (tail grabbing, blushing, anything!), as they really need to start spicing up their relationship by now. ;) And I still have my doubts about Touka's voice, but perhaps I'll get used to it later. I gave the last episode a rating of 7, so I'm giving this one an 8. Though 'very good' might be a bit too much, it's pretty good but not yet 'great' imo.
12 already? 11 hasn't come out yet :confused:
It's out, just not subbed yet. People who can understand Japanese don't have to wait for a subbed version. :)
Ah phooey! Anyway, is this the episode when will they defeat Touka?
Ah phooey! Anyway, is this the episode when will they defeat Touka?
Yes, Karura shows she is evenly matched to Touka but she outwits her by cutting the bridge and sending Touka together with the bridge into the abyss. They deviate a bit from the game here though which is interesting.
yeah the preview shows touka back with orikakan's troops on a woptar (sp?)
I haven't had a major beef with the conversion from game to anime yet, but for episode 12.....
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
How could they take out the FUNNIEST part of Touka's introduction arc!?!??
Here's a summary from Mastress Alita:
Hakuoro and his friends stand at the bridge over the tall ravine, and on the other side
stands Touka. She says he came after all, and they are all cowards, as it was expected
that they'd plot to drop this irreplaceable bridge for the people of Kutcha-Ketcha.
Hakuoro says nothing, and she says she will not allow it. Some calvarymen come up behind
her to join her, and she says that if they can do it, to go ahead and try. Hakuoro says
he sees, and then walks over and starts chopping at the support of the bridge with his
metal fan. Touka looks at him in silence for a moment, then tells him to wait and asks
just what he is doing. He proclaims that he's just doing what she told him to do, and it
is practical, quickly they will make the bridge unable to be used, and soon it will be
dangerous to be there. He then chops at the bridge again. She yells at him to wait, and
calls him a coward, and asks if he cannot fight fairly.
Eruruu says she's certain that their aim was to gain total control of the bridge, and
Hakuoro says that though that is so, when you see that woman it is just... He trails off
and Touka says, "Just? Just what--!!?" Hakuoro tells her not to worry because it was
nothing. She curses at him and asks if he is a fool, but then proclaims that no, he is
without doubt a fool. He says nothing and she asks what is with that face, and to say
something. He says it is nothing, which just angers her further, making her own soldiers
nervous. She claims that they are cowardly to attack with mentality (rather than
physically). Kurou tells Oboro that now they can make her pay for what she's done (putting
them at personal shame for being bested by her), and Benaui says to stop the idle talk,
it begins. Hakuoro gives the command to go.
[Battle 13 - Defeat Touka]
The fight with Touka and finally defeat her. She is shocked that she is defeated and says
she doesn't want to admit it, but it is necessary to do so. She says that this is not the
end, and says she will not allow them to advance even one step ahead, swinging her sharp
sword around. She tells them to come, and show just what kind of person would try to
squander the Ebaenkuruga. There is a twang from the rope on the bridge right beside her
(caused without her notice from her display of swinging her sword around). Hakuoro says
nothing as there is another twang of the rope weakening. His party, stares silently,
and she asks them what it is, and to come, still clueless to what is happening. There is
another twang as the rope start to come apart further, and Hakuoro tells everyone to
retreat, and get back. They hurry back over to their side and she tells them to wait, and
asks why they are running away. She says they are resigning in fear of her, and they are
cowardly, it is miserable for them all to run away from only one person, and it must be
from the extent of her victorious spirit. As she is monologuing, the bridge breaks from
under her. With a huge sweatdrop, she starts to fall down into the ravine.
Somehow she manages to catch herself and climb up on the other side, where Hakuoro and his
party are. Angrily she says it was very unfair of them to drop the bridge. Hakuoro starts
to say they didn't drop the bridge but trails off, and she says since it has come to this,
she wants a man-to-man fight with him, Rakushain. She readies her herself and says now
they are to have an ordinary match. Then a group of Tousukuru troops run in and surround
Touka, grabbing her. She calls out for them to release her, she is to have a man-to-man
fight. They drag her off, and she continues to yell "A man-to-man fight!" as they take her
away.
Everyone is silent, and Hakuoro says that after all, the bridge was dropped (albeit a
bit differently than they had expected), and Eruruu says for the time being their
objective has been accomplished. Hakuoro says that he's relieved, it's good and there
really was no choice in the matter.
That would've been soooo funny to watch on screen but why'd they take it out!?:upset:
I'm still going to stick with the series though to its conclusion. Still my favorite of the season.
Oh and when are they going to do
Kuuya?
Yeah I agree, too bad they left that part out, it would have been hilarious. It's not only funny but also an important part of Touka's development as a character imo.
And I'm afraid they're not going to introduce Kuuya at all. :(
Tiberium Wolf
2006-06-21, 00:11
http://rapidshare.de/files/23602324/utaware_12.zip.html
i took about 60 screencaps. the first 2 screencaps occur before the OP and the last 3 are parts of the preview
Thx for the screenshots.
RunningTARGET
2006-06-21, 03:46
But I also have some criticism; I would like to see more tension between Hakuoro and Eruruw (tail grabbing, blushing, anything!), as they really need to start spicing up their relationship by now. ;)
Wait isn't something supposed to happen? Or was I miss informed?
I swear some one told me that Hakouro and Eruru get somewhat intimate with each other after Touka's introduction? In my mind while Eruru and Hakouro were by them selves in the room in the last bit I couldn't get it out of my head, but for some reason I felt relieve when nothing happened. I guess I want it to be a very romantic scene instead of Hakouro pulling 180 to realised his feelings for her.
I haven't had a major beef with the conversion from game to anime yet, but for episode 12.....
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
How could they take out the FUNNIEST part of Touka's introduction arc!?!??
Here's a summary from Mastress Alita:
Hakuoro and his friends stand at the bridge over the tall ravine, and on the other side stands Touka. She says he came after all, and they are all cowards, as it was expected that they'd plot to drop this irreplaceable bridge for the people of Kutcha-Ketcha.
Hakuoro says nothing, and she says she will not allow it. Some calvarymen come up behind her to join her, and she says that if they can do it, to go ahead and try. Hakuoro says he sees, and then walks over and starts chopping at the support of the bridge with his metal fan. Touka looks at him in silence for a moment, then tells him to wait and asks just what he is doing. He proclaims that he's just doing what she told him to do, and it is practical, quickly they will make the bridge unable to be used, and soon it will be dangerous to be there. He then chops at the bridge again. She yells at him to wait, and calls him a coward, and asks if he cannot fight fairly.
Eruruu says she's certain that their aim was to gain total control of the bridge, and Hakuoro says that though that is so, when you see that woman it is just... He trails off and Touka says, "Just? Just what--!!?" Hakuoro tells her not to worry because it was nothing. She curses at him and asks if he is a fool, but then proclaims that no, he is without doubt a fool. He says nothing and she asks what is with that face, and to say something. He says it is nothing, which just angers her further, making her own soldiers nervous. She claims that they are cowardly to attack with mentality (rather than physically). Kurou tells Oboro that now they can make her pay for what she's done (putting them at personal shame for being bested by her), and Benaui says to stop the idle talk, it begins. Hakuoro gives the command to go.
[Battle 13 - Defeat Touka]
The fight with Touka and finally defeat her. She is shocked that she is defeated and says she doesn't want to admit it, but it is necessary to do so. She says that this is not the end, and says she will not allow them to advance even one step ahead, swinging her sharp sword around. She tells them to come, and show just what kind of person would try to squander the Ebaenkuruga. There is a twang from the rope on the bridge right beside her (caused without her notice from her display of swinging her sword around). Hakuoro says nothing as there is another twang of the rope weakening. His party, stares silently, and she asks them what it is, and to come, still clueless to what is happening. There is another twang as the rope start to come apart further, and Hakuoro tells everyone to retreat, and get back. They hurry back over to their side and she tells them to wait, and
asks why they are running away. She says they are resigning in fear of her, and they are cowardly, it is miserable for them all to run away from only one person, and it must be from the extent of her victorious spirit. As she is monologuing, the bridge breaks from under her. With a huge sweatdrop, she starts to fall down into the ravine.
Somehow she manages to catch herself and climb up on the other side, where Hakuoro and his party are. Angrily she says it was very unfair of them to drop the bridge. Hakuoro starts to say they didn't drop the bridge but trails off, and she says since it has come to this, she wants a man-to-man fight with him, Rakushain. She readies her herself and says now they are to have an ordinary match. Then a group of Tousukuru troops run in and surround Touka, grabbing her. She calls out for them to release her, she is to have a man-to-man fight. They drag her off, and she continues to yell "A man-to-man fight!" as they take her away.
Everyone is silent, and Hakuoro says that after all, the bridge was dropped (albeit a bit differently than they had expected), and Eruruu says for the time being their
objective has been accomplished. Hakuoro says that he's relieved, it's good and there really was no choice in the matter.
That would've been soooo funny to watch on screen but why'd they take it out!?:upset:
I'm still going to stick with the series though to its conclusion. Still my favorite of the season.
:sad:
So many... so many great scenarios/momments from the game... wasted!
Oh and when are they going to do
Kuuya?
Unfortunately, if they were put him on the show, would be around episode 10 - after the battle against Emperor Noe and before Karura. So we lost the chance for a great character development... again! :mad:
The fact is, they're cutting down many great/funny momments from the story of the game because otherwise this series would be alot longer than 26 episodes. Most probably, would fit just in 52 or so. And the producers don't want to make a very long series for Utamono. :upset:
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-21, 08:39
No.
:mad:
The direction and mood transition flows better this way.
Srin Tuar
2006-06-21, 12:20
Hrm, the center piece of this episode seems to be Hakuoro being confused and scared about who he really is and what he may have done, then the fight where touka gets dropped into the ravine.
I guess its needed for story progression, but I sure would have traded it for some more romantic moments with eruru and him. There really hasnt been anything since episode 1, which is too bad because I was really looking forward to some.
No.
:mad:
The direction and mood transition flows better this way.
No, in reference to?
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-21, 22:45
Sir, I am disagreeing with you.
The anime handles the scene better. The mood transition flows better and is less hackneyed.
The anime handles the scene better. The mood transition flows better and is less hackneyed.
Well, I don't care about mood transition or whatever, this simply was a nice and funny scene in the game and feel it's a shame that this wasn't the case in the anime. The battle and the music itself was good, but they failed to show a funny dialogue and a few charming aspects of Touka's character here imo.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-22, 17:45
Touka has natsuki crisis... but she is NOT wild e coyote :eyebrow:
Even if her portayal was closer to the game's she's hardly a Wily E. Coyote (sp?). Natsuki has at least a couple of "crises" so you'd have to be a little specific. :p She's quite tsun-dere (though not quite in the usual sense), but she's not a lesbian in the purest sense, if that's what you were referring to. She is definetly a
lolicon though, to a degree and has a "She called me oneechan!! <3" complex ;)
Anyway, the game portrayal may have been jarring for the mood transition and direction, but it develops Touka's character. This is an anime, not an artistic film. Mood transition and direction would be very important in the latter, but the former doesn't really have to follow those filmmaking standards anywhere close to the letter.
Utawarerumono is a work that bets big on its story and characters, so developing those characters would be paramount. It's an anime, so it doesn't have to bet big on direction and filmmaking qualities. They help, but they're not as necessary as in an art film, or even a typical film created in Hollywood.
I think you're taking Utawarerumono a bit too seriously for the wrong reasons. :heh:
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-23, 03:32
she's not tsundere
she's a quasi airhead with questionable luck
Aruru is a tsundere
Kuuya is a tsundere
heck, oboro is a tsundere
but not Touka
Natsuki crisis basically means life screwing over your otherwise oh so cool image and person
Wild E Coyote refers to that particular bridge scene in the game. Though you wouldn't know about it SINCE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT YET
Yes, I am at fault for bringing up the accursed game topic, but I did not start this.
she's not tsundere
she's a quasi airhead with questionable luck
Aruru is a tsundere
Kuuya is a tsundere
heck, oboro is a tsundere
but not Touka
Aruruw may be a tsundere... but barely. The others don't qualify <_<
Wild E Coyote refers to that particular bridge scene in the game. Though you wouldn't know about it SINCE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT YET
Yes, I am at fault for bringing up the accursed game topic, but I did not start this.
I *have* played the game and I thought the game handled it better. I seriously hope they don't pluck all the comedy out of Touka's character, as most of her important character development in the game is done through comedy.
EDIT: Maybe a mod can move all the posts starting at PGilis's post (excluding Srin Tuar's) to the game thread, as I think we're heavily derailing this one...
evil|plushie
2006-06-23, 06:36
...Aruru so isn't a tsundere.... She's too affectionate to people she likes
Wild E Coyote refers to that particular bridge scene in the game. Though you wouldn't know about it SINCE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT YET
Yes, I am at fault for bringing up the accursed game topic, but I did not start this.
I have played the game and I'm not sure I understand your Wile E Coyote reference.
Are you referring to the cartoonish presentation of Touka hanging in the air after the bridge gives in and how she manages to reach the side and climb back up again even though she was clearly standing somewhere in the middle of the bridge? Well, I'm sure they could have made that scene seem more realistic in the anime by having her stand closer to the side so she could jump and hang on the remaining part of the bridge or something. Anyway, I don't see this as an important argument to leave the whole bridge scene out as it went in the game, the "Wile E Coyote" scene isn't really relevant, the dialogue and Touka's behaviour is.
Also, none of the characters are tsundere imo, though Kuuya might come close (but not really).
And what do you mean with you being at fault for bringing up the accursed game topic? Where did you bring this up?
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-23, 08:44
It is frowned upon to talk about the game in episode threads.
No, not even when comparing differences... there is a seperate thread for that, plus it's generally counter productive. Go to the Fate Stay Night anime forum and you'll see what I mean.
Anyway, I'll just say this.. those of you who know the game beforefand.. don't jump the gun too soon. Complaining about this alteration is equivalent to complaining on why the chose to make the twin flowers non identical, or how nuwangi cheated death, or how they omitted the first bee hive scene, or how they didn't explain Karura's mercy kill, where the heck is Kuuya, ect..
There is a rhyme and reason to this.. let the show go on first. From my experience these concerns are usually wrong, and Utawarerumono seems to be handled by someone who understands the story.
Darklightz
2006-06-23, 10:14
*sigh* Here I wanted to discuss the anime and all I hear is "ZOMG!The anime is not like the game!"
I liked this episode,I was getting forward to when we'd learn more about Hakuoro's true identity.And it seems he did something really evil,especially to have soldiers thrown so recklessly against him!
Angela Sanctisstessa
2006-06-23, 10:26
wth is tsundere anyway?
wth is tsundere anyway?
Happen to know because of this link in a recent Haruhi thread: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911&highlight=tsundere
Onizuka-GTO
2006-06-23, 18:25
wth is tsundere anyway?
:rolleyes:
*sigh*
Kids these days, how it hurts me they don't know the classics....
*sobs over Akane/Asuka/Misa Hayase the forgotten Tsundere *
:upset:
Like the others said, Aruruu's not tsundere. Kuuya comes close, but not really there. Oboro, not really as well.
Touka isn't really tsundere either. There's most definetly a whole another anime archetype for her, I just don't know what it's called.
And besides, you only got the tsun-tsun, not the dere. ;)
Wild E Coyote refers to that particular bridge scene in the game. Though you wouldn't know about it SINCE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED IT YET
Not entirely correct. I do have the game, but I haven't played it yet cause 1. I'm on a trip and 2. I have a bunch of other games I wanna finish first.
I am following Mastress Alita's summaries of the game. They are quite good and detailed, so I do know about the particular scene (otherwise how would I be comparing this episode to the original scene?) (not the exact dialogue, but that's not needed here).
I haven't played the game. But that doesn't make what I say any less valid if what I say is accurate and informed, which it is.
And yeah, what exactly do you mean by "Wile E. Coyote?" Her cartoonish hanging in the air? Probably not, as that's just a simple anime and Japanese game convention. Do you mean her silliness? Well that's part of her character, after all.
(I'm on a really shaky internet connection, hence the attempt to predict your questions in advance).
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2006-06-24, 04:41
let me put this in the most gentle way possible...
I know you haven't played the game
I know you've been basing this mostly on Alita's synopses (who while dedicated, has a limited understanding of Japanese)
so you see.. you really... don't have the right to compare anything to the game... at all...
that's equivalent to someone browsing moonlit world, reading about fate stay night, and complaining how the anime buthered scene xyz... it doesn't work that way.. and they're always wrong because they're basing it on a made up interpretation.
If you want to talk about this further feel free to private mail me
Takemi's ad hominem aside (commence PM war!!)
Onto the episode:
There's a chance they may come up with a better way to do Touka, so I'm going to see what happens in tomorrow's episode. Maybe it'll be better. Maybe not.
The anime seems to be keeping all the story arcs separate and independent. The same could be with Kuuya's bits.
So we may see the Touka and Orikakkan arc finished and wrapped up, and then Kuuya given an independent, uninterrupted episode, unlike how they did in the game where apparently her scenes were interspersed throughout the current arc.
So we may still hope.
Happen to know because of this link in a recent Haruhi thread: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911&highlight=tsundere
:D I remember that :heh:
12 is out :D
masakenji
2006-07-01, 13:28
WOW! good episode, but i think theres a explanation for hakuro past, cause he cant be that bad, can he?
Mandrake
2006-07-01, 16:18
whether or not he was that bad or not, it's not who he is now. Experiences and the enviroment play part in the grow of a person. Now...what I do find disturbing...he did have a wife and children, what made him snap? Something sinister I bet, but I'm not sure if it was his fault. (all speculation at this point)
thundrakkon
2006-07-01, 19:08
The image of the figure that killed Hakuoro's wife and children was shadowy. It could be another twin/magical creature? If I can use the strange ending credits as a clue, the last scene shows a blue dragon like monster and a red dragon like monster, with a bird in the middle. If we take this as a clue, it could be 2 similar entities on opposite ends. Therefore, Hakuoro (wearing blue) might be the good guy, while the red one is the one that killed his family, thereby, framing him.
There has to be a good reason for miss "justice is on my side" Touka to join Hakuoro.
Wasn't it hinted in the first episode that Hakuoro might be possessed by a demon or something? That might explain why he went crazy as Rak Shine.
Orchunter226
2006-07-01, 22:52
Yea, I don't think it should matter what his past is. It is who he is now that matters. And right now he is a good person.
I think that when he killed his family he was posessed by a demon or something, if he did indeed kill his family.
Yea, I don't think it should matter what his past is. It is who he is now that matters. And right now he is a good person.
I think that when he killed his family he was posessed by a demon or something, if he did indeed kill his family.
Though the past is catching up to him. That throughout parts of this episode, the past is really putting Hakuoro on the edge. To where it points, appears to be anything but pleasant. That perhaps the biggest fear right now, memories; is that on how it could change him on whom the person he has become now.
And thats why he brought up the question to Eruru about what she would do if he had really killed them. To which I don't think she answered satisfactorily, imo, but thats realistic so I'm not gonna complaint.
I like the floundry in which the Characters are at now.. epecially Hakuoro, but also all those around him, like Oboro said; "does that mean they are right?"
Not knowing if Hakuoro really did those things. If he did, should they continue to follow him? Why did he do it? Would he continue to be a worthy leader in their eyes (someone said something about unrest in the soldier's, peasants ranks)? Should they join the other side? If he didn't, who is behind it? Who to exact revenge on? Is there a sinister mastermind?
Its interesting to note that just knowing what Rak Shine did (not whether it was him, Hakuoro, doing it) is enough to bring him to doubt himself.
And right now he is a good person.
He could always be possessed again. I doubt its that simple..
ChainLegacy
2006-07-02, 06:30
At this point, he is a different person. Whether Rak Shine was truly a past version of Hakuoro is, to me, irrelevant. This is not a man 'turning over a leaf.' It is essentially a different person.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-07-02, 11:17
My theory on how Touka survived:
She flapped her ears all the way to the bottom!!!! ZOMG XD
I don't think this episode was meant to be humorous, but I just could help but laugh when Touka's ears spread like that. She out-kemonomimis the kemonomimis.
I did not perceive any glaring flaws regard to animation and storytelling values for this episode.
It was interesting that Hakuoro delved on his remorse for the crimes he made but lost in his memories. What Orikakan told him about his former criminal acts is paying a toll on Hakuoro's conscience.
It puts him in a helpless, desperate position that wants to escape from that reality by drowning his thoughts on sake or forbidding any mention about the matter.
Touka is the coolest of all swordmanship women I've seen so far in the series, and most likely she surpasses Benawi proficiently on that field; she can hold her own against Karura.
Oboro taking on Touka by himself feels a similarity when he first took on Benawi the first time; back when both were opposing enemies.
Both Touka and Benawi effortlessly pawned Oboro and spared him, though the circumstances between both were different and for what they fought for.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-07-02, 11:30
How come Hakuoro doesn't just imprison or exile Oboro? Not only is he a weak-ass sorry excuse for a Hero unit, he is also insubordinate, rude, argumentative, ill-tempered and a prima donna. They should say, "Thanks for giving us Yuzuha, Dorii and Gura, now get lost!"
^ LOL.
At this point, he is a different person. Whether Rak Shine was truly a past version of Hakuoro is, to me, irrelevant. This is not a man 'turning over a leaf.' It is essentially a different person.
While I get your point, I would disagree on that. The past always catches up; in this way it will likely affect his actions and decisions, even if he is, as you say, entirely different. Yet the very fact that it already affects his actions/decisions/demeanour means that he isnt that different after all. My point is that there will always be a link back to the past.
KaneDragon
2006-07-02, 13:45
Too bad Hakuoro didn't manage to better explain his side of the story to the enemy (no memories, pissed off at his home village being wiped out). Oh, well.
And judging from the pre-intro scene, Hakuoro (assuming that's really him) can't be killed.
So. A masked guy that crushes people's throats with a metal fan and laughs off a dozen swords sticking out of his body? Freakin' badass x2. =O
Deathkillz
2006-07-02, 14:43
after that bridge incident i think Touka will never forgive hakuoro for atempted murder -____- its her conclusion that he is a cold blooded killer XD
ChainLegacy
2006-07-02, 14:47
How come Hakuoro doesn't just imprison or exile Oboro? Not only is he a weak-ass sorry excuse for a Hero unit, he is also insubordinate, rude, argumentative, ill-tempered and a prima donna. They should say, "Thanks for giving us Yuzuha, Dorii and Gura, now get lost!"
I think they make him a little TOO weak, to be honest. I don't care if it was done in the game or not. I just think someone so pissed that he just lost his entire village would probably be able to at least touch a superior warrior.
ccardoso
2006-07-02, 15:18
I think they make him a little TOO weak, to be honest. I don't care if it was done in the game or not. I just think someone so pissed that he just lost his entire village would probably be able to at least touch a superior warrior.
In the future the "superior warrior" won't be able to even touch Hakuoro, don't worry. :D
Did you see that monster at the end of the OP? It's the thing inside Hakuoro, you can see it by his eyes. I guess that thing will own evreyone evreywhere! :D
KaneDragon
2006-07-02, 16:21
In the future the "superior warrior" won't be able to even touch Hakuoro, don't worry. :D
Did you see that monster at the end of the OP? It's the thing inside Hakuoro, you can see it by his eyes. I guess that thing will own evreyone evreywhere! :D
Well, as I said in the predictions thread, based on ep 11 and the opening... Hakuoro's evil brother-in-law framed him for doing some kind of Diabolical Deed in a fiendish attempt to get the power himself to summon/turn into GODZILLA. This is Hakuoro's hidden ability. In the end, the REAL bad guy shows up, who reveals him/her/itself to be the Evil Entity behind all the OTHER Evil Emperors and kills the Evil Brother-In-Law just to show how badass he/she/it is. This Evil Entity then summons GODZILLA, but is foiled at the last second by the Yippy Girl With Black Wings, who also as a Secret Ability - calling down Nuclear Death Strikes from orbit. In your face, Evil Entity!
Of course, this episode changes the beginning a little bit, but you get the gist of it. Trust me, I've seen it all before. :cool: :p
Wandering_Youth
2006-07-02, 17:48
While Hakuoro may have been possessed, framed by his evil twin, or my favorite, is actually truly evil back in the past plays the necessary complexity to make it truly interesting. While many stated that his past is lost, I find it optimistic that many assume or make it seem he will never regain his lost memories. In many situations the internal conflicts that develop within the character between his past and present self is more difficult to decide. Whether his two different personas will actually meld into one, stay seperate but accept the past, or other scenarios always peaks my interest.
KaneDragon
2006-07-02, 17:52
Possession seems a little more likely than being truly evil in the past as an explanation for his sword-strength and invulnerability in that pre-op flashback. It could be that he was just evil and that drove him to discover some evil power that gave him that, but... Aruruu loev daddy... ;_;
It's hardly likely, but it would be interesting to see Hakuoro pull off a "Death Note" scheme, where he lost his memory on purpose and regains it at some later date according to some fiendish scheme. The best spy is one who doesn't even know he's a spy. o.o
I might have to agree with the people who are saying that he was framed and I have three points to support it. The first has nothing to do with Hakuoro, but with Touka. She is supposed to be this honourable and virtuous warrior and yet the army she has joined slaughtered a village. Now I could understand if they just attacked the fighters of the village, but they didn't, they killed the entire village including the women and children. I don't believe that Touka would be part of any army that did anything like that. Now she's of a prominent position in that army, being someone of her calibur, so she would know of an event like that, which leads me to believe that she was tricked. That they never told her about the slaughter of the village, that in truth the real enemy is using her as a pawn. If she was tricked that could easily mean that they're tricking Hakuoro too, that the real enemy is trying to devise some strategy for defeating him.
My second point is also associated with the slaughter of the village, typically the strategy involved in the slaughter of innocents is to put the enemy into an emotional state, which is exactly what they did. I believe that was intentional, but if that's the case then the enemy would have to believe that Hakuoro cared enough for the people for that strategy to work, which obviously goes against what they kept saying about him being this great evil. I believe the enemy leader guy is actually in on the whole plan, that he's serving the real enemy.
My third point isn't much, but it's about the whole theme of the show, strategy. Hakuoro thus far has been all about strategy, that is his weapon and that has been the theme of the show. If that's the case the enemy would have to have the same weapon, which continues to support the same theme, strategy. It comes down to this, the evil guys feared Hakuoro(his former self) and what he was capable of so they framed him, to put him until an ill position with his people. Some sort of event happened where he got away, from his assailants, but it lead to him disappearing and gaining amnesia, which I don't think was part of the plan, but actually was an event that went against the plan, after all he got himself quite an army right now. After that happened the enemy leader guy used the whole murder of Hakuoro's family to bring Hakuoro's army under his authority and then used it again to bring Touka to his side. At this time they are in the process of using typical war tactics to defeat Hakuoro. Well anyway that's my two cents.
Deathkillz
2006-07-02, 19:54
meh i just think that hakuoro is just posessed by the devil...that always explains it all :heh:
KaneDragon
2006-07-02, 21:49
Looks evil to me:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5639/utawareumono13nd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yeah, pretty big, too. If they're just playing with perspective and it's really the size of a cat, I will laugh.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2985/utawareumono51rq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Great, so now there's an army of these things? Or did a bunch of evil mecha get lost on their way to Big O?
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2568/utawareumono20zj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
...A dead one?
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/722/utawareumono30wc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, anyone? I never got past the first season, so I don't know how tank boy ended up.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8318/utawareumono41wb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Iron Maw
2006-07-03, 03:47
I think they make him a little TOO weak, to be honest. I don't care if it was done in the game or not. I just think someone so pissed that he just lost his entire village would probably be able to at least touch a superior warrior.
Honestly, it seems that anyone with a name and actual fighting ability can beat Oboro.:eyebrow:
He's only good enough for cleaning out grunts which is something even Hakuoro can do.
Honestly, it seems that anyone with a name and actual fighting ability can beat Oboro.:eyebrow:
He's only good enough for cleaning out grunts which is something even Hakuoro can do.
Thats quite true, it seems he only has a big mouth. I too would prefer if Hakuoro was really Rak Shine in the past, and did all those things. As W_Y says it will offer more complexity - the only thing I'm afraid of, if they take such a path; is that its gonna be very hard to portray such a theme masterfully. Honestly, I'm afraid they will screw up.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-07-03, 14:39
Hakuoro actually defeats Orikakan one-on-one in episode 13 but Yue is the one that kills him.
Sinestra
2006-07-03, 19:33
ii really liked this episode except for the fact that Oboro got bitched AGAIN jesus tap dancing christ can he beat anyone beside grunts,, all i ask is that he last more than 2 min in a fight. AS for the Hauroko killing his family and country men i just think its too convient i dont think that was really him even though i will aknowedge the fact that it was hinted he was possessed or something in the first episode. But you can see how much it is effecting him with him getting drunk off the sake. I commend Eruruu for sticking with him and beleiving in him and giving him words of encouragement.
Aruruu was really cool going out on her own for some recon i mean hey she has mukruu with her i say let her do some recon every now and then, she goes out frequently so i am sure she knows the land well. Plus it was just so damn cute to see Aruruu, Mukruu and kamyu with there heads down being scolded.
The fight between Evinkuruga and karura was pretty cool but it was not the right time for a knock down drag out fight strategically it was the right descsion to destroy the bridge. i cant wait for the next one the story is really picking up i am really hoping that Hauroko is not Rak Shine i just think it will be really hard to keep the story going with that looming over everything unless there is a good reason.
Did anyone notice that they took Eruruu into battle again?
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-07-03, 20:30
I have a minor complaint about Mukuru. We all know that she's been in battle with Hakuoro's army ever since episode 9, but we never get to see her mauling the enemy. What's up with that?
Episode 12 had a few well animated battle scenes, its just a shame some of the battles don't last longer then a few minutes, though still good while they lasted.
Instead of being told about the Rak Shine, at least we got to see what was a flashback of him in action.. even though it looks like Hakuoro, its still hard to believe it was him, even though we don't know anything about him before the first episode.
And.. i just love the style of the Evinkuruga tribe.
KaneDragon
2006-07-03, 22:23
I have a minor complaint about Mukuru. We all know that she's been in battle with Hakuoro's army ever since episode 9, but we never get to see her mauling the enemy. What's up with that?
Too busy taking care of Aruruu? Aruruu's cute, but probably not the best choice of rider for a mauling session.
Rak Shine! You are evil! We will destroy a village to make you cry! You, grunts! Go kill each other while we shout at each other and occasionally fall off cliffs!
It seems like there's so many random evil dudes in the intro we haven't seen yet, and we still haven't seen any more of evil emperor #2 after he walked into that burning building. Unless he's behind the village's destruction and/or the brother-in-law's visit, he'd better hurry up...
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-05, 22:23
Instead of being told about the Rak Shine, at least we got to see what was a flashback of him in action.. even though it looks like Hakuoro, its still hard to believe it was him, even though we don't know anything about him before the first episode.
Well, considering it was Hakuoro dreaming about what he'd been told he did, yeah, I'd expect it to look like him.
But, you've gotta wonder how many people have a mask like that that he could be mistaken for ;)
KaneDragon
2006-07-05, 22:40
Well, considering it was Hakuoro dreaming about what he'd been told he did, yeah, I'd expect it to look like him.
But, you've gotta wonder how many people have a mask like that that he could be mistaken for ;)
Less confident assumption, more wild speculation. ^^
I don't think that pre-op scene was just Hakuoro's dream. His actual reaction-dream comes later, with those wierd ghost things and the mace to the face. They showed the sequence before brother-in-law started yelling at him, and I doubt even guilt-ridden Hakuoro would have thrown in the laughing-off-multiple-impalings part. :heh:
Less confident assumption, more wild speculation. ^^
I don't think that pre-op scene was just Hakuoro's dream. His actual reaction-dream comes later, with those wierd ghost things and the mace to the face. They showed the sequence before brother-in-law started yelling at him, and I doubt even guilt-ridden Hakuoro would have thrown in the laughing-off-multiple-impalings part. :heh:
i think that was what orikakan was thinking about hakuoro and what happened. orikakan seems to belive that was hakuoro.
KaneDragon
2006-07-19, 19:16
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5586/vlcsnap96813ji7.jpg
Could someone explain the "Carrier has arrived" part? Karura is the carrier? Or is it Touka, who appears and has a bigger part in this episode? Why not a battlecruiser?
I don't know if this came later:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9128/1153334919572ev2.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1153334919572ev2.jpg)
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