View Full Version : The Final Thoughts & Overall Series Impressions of Haruhi Suzumiya
Catgirls
2006-06-30, 21:59
This thread is to be used for discussing the entire 14 episodes of Suzumiya Haruhi ... your thoughts about the show, theories, hopes or desire for another season, etc., etc…
A few subjects you might want to wax poetic about until out of breath:
General impression of the series.
Opinions on the overall story, writing & plot devices.
Thoughts about the animation quality.
Characters.
Whether there should be another season or more episodes (OVA?).
What the show meant to you.
What could the creators/animators/writers could have done better.
Your regret for hating it in the beginning and then eating crow because you now love it to death.
And so on.
This is actually a reason why i love Haruhi so much, because i actually had an experience similar to her. I posted this somewhere in this subforum before.
When i was 15, 3rd of 4 years in secondary school, I was in this new class, supposedly a weaker class. Basically because 90% of the class were the school's atheletes and sports people, Who doesnt care a bit about studying. There was me, a science fiction/martial art loving choir member, I was quite out of place in the class. But luckily theres this muslim guy whos an insane science fiction reader and doesnt take part in any school activities.
He sits somewhere around me, I forgot where though. But he was one of the few people i made contact with, besides some old friends who got into the same class. I quickly found out hes a weird one, he doesnt smile, he speaks very formally. His words are serious and harsh, he responds with 'I dont know', 'I dont care' and 'negative'. Importantly 'I hate humans' was his infamous line, lets call him 'Omar'.
After a few weeks of the new school term i made a few more friends, some were omar's old class mates. Including one who was in the same class with him for 6 years, from primary school till now. I learnt from all of them especially the guy who was with him for 6 years, that hes always like that, he hates humans and is always solemn and frowning.
For some reason, maybe because of our scientific enthusiasm, i always approached him for a chat. He does put up a chat sometimes, there are things that do interest him. (He isnt as bad as haruhi lol)
I had my own observations of him, like how Kyon observed Haruhi.
Omar never had recess, he doesnt like them, he doesnt like to eat, he says he only eats when hes low on energy, food doesnt interest him. Actually im similar to him in this aspect, im not a food enthusiast, i had less than 200 meals bought from school in my entire life.
Omar hangs around every where during recess or after school, he doesnt like to go home. He gives people the impression that hes somewat omnipresent. He tend to show up at unexpected times, in the least expected places, doing the weirdest things. One couldn't tell that Haruhi is a nut because shes cute, but omar was different, one look and you can tell hes mentally unstable. He has a murderous look in his eyes, his thick eyebrows added to his sinister visage. Almost all of 3rd year students know that hes a weird guy.
Omar doesnt have a hairstyle, but he kept his hair very short. One day he actually combed his hair to everyone's amazement, eveyone asked him why he did it. In response he shaved his head shortly afterwards.
Also omar was kinda omnipotent like Haruhi. He's definitely good at science, but he never studies. He mixes up some weird chemical concoctions and bring them to school for unknown purposes. He deals with micro organisms at home. He handmade a filter for his goldfish and it works. He doesnt seem to be the exercising type, but hes very fit.
Oh yes, Omar resorts to threats too, he tells you he will kill you if he wants to. The guy who was in the same class as him for 6 years was threatened with a sharpen pencil at his chest. Or he would destroy the planet if hes given the appropriate materials, supposedly he knew wat materials he needs to destroy all humans. He's actually nicknamed the terrorist, because of how he looks and how sinister he is.
But unlike Kyon's relationship with Haruhi, my encounter with Omar wasnt as 'fun'. (In case you didnt feel it, im kinda like Kyon and Omar is an evil version of Haruhi in this short story of mine lol)
As if Omar's actions and behaviour arent weird enough, he believes hes an alien or other-worldly being sent to earth for 'training' or to destroy all humans. He hates his family members, which he thinks is hindering his 'growth'. Well he does have a more accepted reason for us to understand why he hates them. We all know that his mum wasnt really nice, supposedly she used his money to buy clothes or something instead of letting him buy his textbooks and stuff. Teachers now about it too, since his mum has been called to school for multiple times. He's from a really messed up family and undergoes counselling which never worked in any way.
Omar believes that his existance in this world is threatened by 10 other people, most of them were people closer to him, mostly other muslims. But i learnt that i was identified as one of those threatening his existance, i wasnt surprised lol, considering how long I've been pestering him.
The class monitor and the form teacher, seems to think that Omar and I are friends and had been placing us together in sitting arrangements. They think I am probably the only person in the class who could stand his insanity. They most probably thought this way because no one else in the class could hold up a conversation with Omar, especially when he usually goes talking about black holes, hyperspace, time travel, omega particles and such. He's more of a star trek guy, but im all star wars, maybe a reason why im threatening his existance.
Anyway he never attempted to destroy me(maybe I didnt noticed and he failed lol) and i thought i would lose him after we graduated. But no, he got into the same school as me, but fortunately hes in another course. He behaves pretty much the same, quiet, solemn, but now hes more normal. He plays dota with his classmates, chats about more casual stuff.
He's definitely one person I would never forget in my life. Also I had a time of depression in my life and I can relate to Haruhi's thoughts most of the time, especially what she said in episode 13/ novel 1 chapter 6.
Recently I have alot of Haruhi dreams, yes I think Haruhiism has quite literally taken over my mind. When I was awaiting my Haruhi novels, I had to order them, I kept having dreams of the novels being delivered to my house but after flipping through the novels, I found them to be something else or nothing inside.
3 weeks ago I had this dream where I was attacked by something undescribable, its like a parasite trying to take over my body. I yelled Haruhi-sama(yes I did) and the next thing I saw on my arm(in the dream): Not sure if you guys have seen this Nokia commercial, where the people have markings, like tatoos that pulse on their bodies and change shapes rapidly to music. I was yelling Haruhi-sama with my right arm in the air and I saw a dark tatoo/marking crawling towards my hand from my shoulder. It was a very beautiful pattern, much like freestyle art and when it crawled to my palm, at the end of the design was a H, quite gothic in style.
Next thing I knew was the parasite was gone and I woke up, I was looking at my arm. I still remembered a little of the design of the marking, I'm really considering designing a tatoo as close to that as possible and get my entire right arm tattoed according to that.
Just yesterday night I had this dream where I saw Haruhi, Kyon and the first appearance of Yuki. I spoke to Kyon but no chance to talk to Haruhi, Yuki didn't want to reply to me lol. Then Kyon wanted to tell Haruhi that she looks kawaii today, but Haruhi was in a Haruhi and ran off before Kyon could tell her that lol
velocity7
2006-07-03, 23:25
Would Freud have a field day with that? ^^;
monstert
2006-07-04, 00:22
It's certainly have been one of the more interesting show this year. Although most of episode 1 nearly made me want to stay away from this show, I'm glad to make it through the end of that episode and into the second episode before making my decision.
AvianWing
2006-07-04, 01:54
I'm really curious about people's impression on each character now. A new character poll please =D
Overall, it is quite possibly one of the most impressive animes I've ever seen. top-notch animation, pleasant and uncliched storyline, and a rather interesting set of characters. My sole complaint would be KyotoAni's schedule of working on one project at a time-- they chose not to continue on FMP or The Melancholy of Nagato Yuki (most likely the new title) for their next project. Instead, we get Kannon 2006. It irks me that bigger studios such as Gonzo are churning out a whole bunch of mediocre animes.
Well, with that aside, I'm rather disappointed that Mikuru and Itsuki did not receive as much light. It is kinda reflected in Mikuru's 2D personality/character, and her presence seems to do nothing more than incite some funny moments. Itsuki is kinda underappreciated by the fans. There isn't a story behind him that people can sympathize with. Yet, he is persistent with his work and never sway from his task. To me, he seems to be the most original character of the whole cast. Instead of the typical mysterious/silent figure that can kick anyone's ass if needed be (sorry Yuki, even though you are my favorite character), he gives proper-- and sometimes longwinded-- explanation. Therefore, he's shoved into the uncool, unbadass category.
And, as I've mentioned before, KyotoAnimation has had the tendency to follow up on unfinished manga/novels. They did a rather nice job for accumulating the drama and reaching the climax by shuffling the episodes, but the feeling of the completed story just isn't there. I don't know if this is a sales plot to leave the option of a second season open or whatnot, but it keeps me wanting more. I kinda want to slap the director ._.
Oh, and one last note. Kudos for the people in AFK fansub. You guys rock ^^ Keep up the good work in the future.
Keitarou
2006-07-04, 02:42
As being said already in this thread, it was one of the most impressive anime I've seen so far. Animationwise it was perfect as far as it goes for a tv series, currently it's pretty much impossible to top what Kyoto Animation did deliver here. The music was just as good by the way, opening/ending and the insert songs were all likeable on their own, but the background music made it unforgetable for me, such crucial moments as the one in episode 14 in the closed space, or the beginning of Yuki's minutes of fame in episode 11 did show off mostly due to the music and animation working perfectly together to emphasise the flow of those scenes. Props to the seiyuu as well, Kyon's narrative was close to perfect, Haruhi and the rest did show several nuances throughout the show, which added to their characters, making them even more likeable (it's one of the very few shows where I liked the whole cast, without any exception).
Kyon is of now the male character I like the most (probably because he also resembles me a lot, being annoyed by the people and stuff around him and the introduction he made in episode 2 and still admitting that he likes it that way). It's not often that I like a male character (I passionately hate almost anything male) but he gets a special place in my book.
As far as it goes for the rest of the cast, Haruhi, Yuki and Mikuru were quite likeable, I enjoyed the scenes with Kyon's sister and Tsuruya a lot and Asakura and Taniguchi were a nice addition as well. Itsuki of course as well, despite being portrayed as the worst out of the bunch by Kyon. ;)
The first episode was a stroke of genius and deserves special mention here. Overall Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu is easily the anime I'm going to recommend to everybody as of now, topping my own hitlist. :)
There can be said a lot about it, so I'll just keep it short. I simply liked everything about it. A somewhat longer view on the show: here (http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&aid=3651#3999). ;)
Now hoping that they will animate the rest of the novels one day, I'm willing to wait no matter how long it'll take.
Lol C.A.; let me know when you do get that tattoo done. We can meet in Town and you can show it to me ;) :p That was an entertaining read :)
I would definitely not say that this was one of the most impressive Animes I've ever seen, and it won't be entering into my top 5 list anytime soon. However, this was a special anime, as I have said a few times before. It set several precedents for me. Before I start on my opinions, however, whenever I say * wonderful * loved * awesome * roxz * and so on, all credits go to KyoAni and the novels' author (of whom most of us have leeched off :heh:) for making this Anime series the way it was.
Its brazen "different-ness." Choosing to start with a nonsense episode that was sure to confuse and put many people off ~ and it did! Choosing to shuffle the episode sequences; which at first appeared to me to be a really stupid thing to do. Yet, everything fell into place perfectly. The first episode did confuse me; and I was almost going to stop at the first minute; but I'm glad I didnt because the sheer deliberate stupidity of it made me LOL so hard that it piqued my curiosity and made me want to continue watching just to find out. As many others (including C.A. and VCV somewhere in the QA thread) have mentioned the shuffling of episodes actually turned out to be a BRILLANT move by KyoAni to give us fillers, that didnt feel like fillers at all because they each served very important roles in revealing more of Haruhi (and Yuki :p) to us. To me, this series did so many unconventional things, and so well too, that it literally shined.
Its detail, and the sheer effort put into animation. KyoAni. Day of Sargittarius, Live a Live, the battles of Yuki, that especially in Ep 10 all come to mind. KyoAni took this anime seriously and delivered; adding to that reality-busting feel of the Anime. Other details. The XP Operating System on the SOS system that they clearly rendered. Mixing of foreground and background events in Ep 12. Vehicles on the road; not only in Ep 13, but even way before that. The drawing of the city, trains, shops, people. All given equal importance as the main characters. Even the OP sequences was filled with amazing detail.
Coverage of deep stuff and its leaving open to interpretations, being widely metaphorical at parts too. I feel that this series is the kind that can be taken on two levels. At the surface, which would just bring a measure of pleasure. Or deeper, and in this regard the forums have been a great help; with each episode discussed from so many angles, each one revealing a new layer that was surely meant to be discovered. As I've heard mentioned quite a few times on this thread, deliberate confusion and (personally) ambiguity was the name of the game ~ that added to the great pleasure of reading other people's posts here and being able to see parts of the Anime in totally new light, most that I never thought of at all. Also, no other Anime has made me think on the more extreme physics principles, as well a little bit of philosophy; especially relating to the question of Haruhi being "God" or not and the subsequent creating of a world.
The characters. I wont say too much on this; because anymore will just lead to mindless fanboy rabble. (Yuki.. Mikuru.. Yuki.. Mikuru stop stop stop) Kyon was superb in his scathing retorts and sarcasm; plus the hypocrisy in regard to Mikuru *cough* moe. He was for me the pillar of this show, serving as a dependable reference back to reality and how I felt. In fact, he was what kept me watching thru the 2nd and 3rd episodes, what with Haruhi's less than exemplary actions. Yuki was a mystery from the start, yet the way they slowly reveal her to us, her likes, and interests, turned this silent and traditionally uninteresting chracter into one that showed depth and took on life. Mikuru; Kyon's sister; Tsuruya ~ delici. Erm. Continuing. Actually, it can be argued that all the characters in this show, especially the those of the three factions somehow reflect something in Haruhi. (Someone brought it up somewhere in one of the threads here; sorry, I forgot :() Ah. Which brings me to the main character. H. She was literally what gave the show life. Thats a great understatement, I know. I didnt like her from the start, but again the series showed great character development in giving me a deeper glimpse into her obsession with the abnormal, and she gained depth as I really started understanding her.
One of the discussions I enjoyed having the most in this forum was the one in the episode 12 thread, about her motivation in helping the band, and the change in her. In fact; if I were to rename this season, it would be Understanding Haruhi Suzumiya. Really.
I was wrong to classify this anime as a "comedy," when looking back it was so much more. Honestly, I think its genre-busting. This Anime was special; the overlong discussions and overlong posts and overlong threads (yep, coming from someone who frequents the RM:T thread) devoted to it all testify to this.
While not the best I've seen, its imo very clearly one of the betters. I will be looking forward to a S2 because even for a non novel reader its obvious that there is so so much more that can be covered with Haruhi and Co. KyoAni has distinguished it self in my eyes.
I also want to add that it was thanks to this Forum that HSnY took on such depth. If not, it would just have been another summer Anime for me.
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VCV wanted the opinions of non-novel readers after 14; I think it is on whether Kyon or Haruhi is the one doing the creating? My opinion, at the end of this: While it still can't be said for sure; my opinion is leading to Haruhi as the one responsible. Altho we cant say for sure that she created the the new world in the first place, because Kyon appeared with Haruhi in the closed space and Haruhi said that she only woke up in this place. However, I think that Haruhi is the one responsible because the ending of the new world, the decision to, must surely be attributed to Haruhi; and I cant think why Kyon would want to create the new world in the first place and then ditch it later. Also, the new world seemed really to be what Haruhi wanted, and not Kyon. Thats why I say that Haruhi is still the creator.
My final impressions of the show. Let me see...
It ended better than it started. The first time I saw the 1st episode, I was like "What the hell?!?! ;____;" So it definitely ended better than it began.
Its story is provokative. The idea of a person being GOD but not knowing it is a provokative story. A lot of views these days proclaim that each and every one of us are gods in ourselves. Able to create, manipulate, change, effect and destroy things around us by our simple whimpsical moods and in truth this is partially true. Although I don't agree at all that to the notion of GOD being childish, it remains only as my opinion.
The sequencing of events and outlining of the plot were superb. Quite frankly, very few shows have made me think so much and this show in particular made me do so. I always was looking for metaphoric or platonic parallels etched in the show >:3 Well, you can say I am a person who likes and is knowledgeable about theology and philosy and this show gave me both ^_^
The characters were likable and at times relatable. I especially liked Kyon and his inner dialogs XD Sarcasm on a platter! Although this show lacks in some aspects like in romance and general character development, it still manages to deliver an excellent showing. Although I'd like it if they have had elaborated more on the individual characters backgrounds, about Haruhi's god-ness, about Kyon's feelings, about Koizumi's background and also about Mikuru and Kyon's relationship. Quite frankly, I feel disatisfied because I think it is rather rushed >_> Besides that, the eventual "kissing" of Haruhi by Kyon at the last moments of the series was kind of abrubt. His reasoning does not actually say "I love Haruhi", but rather "Haruhi needs to be stopped" O_______O IMO, Kyon took advantage of HARUHI!
XD
So there!
To sum it all up, this was generally a great series. Not perfect, but still is great.
Knavinusa
2006-07-04, 08:56
I've watched other anime that I thought was good, but this one sits at the top (as does Shakugan no Shana, which incidentally, is also animated by animators from KyoAni). That aside, almost every episode had more to offer than what was on the surface. I would tend to miss some important details going through the episode one time, but catch them later on after visiting the forum or looking closely at what was happening. It's also very thought-provoking and happens to tie in with quite a few philosophical concepts I'm studying right now, so I did not feel like I was wasting my time watching it like I would watching some run-of-the-mill Shounen.
Character development was excellent. Although Koizumi and Mikuru were not as heavily emphasized as already mentioned, both of them still played significant roles in the overall development of the series and the main characters as well. Kyon wouldn't be Kyon without Mikuru, and Haruhi's formation of the apparently ridiculous SOS-dan club would make much less sense to Kyon if Koizumi did not step in to explain. Even though Mikuru and Yuki can explain the phenomenon that is Haruhi, Koizumi is able to show Kyon directly, allowing him to understand what they tell him more clearly.
The animation quality was absolutely top-notch throughout the entire series. Details were put into every scene, none of the characters were designed awkwardly, and every episode usually ties in very well with the novel.
Needless to say, I've thoroughly enjoyed this one. Let's just hope KyoAni is able to get the green light for a second season (God knows why they and Gonzo are deciding to re-make Kanon instead...)
(as does Shakugan no Shana, which incidentally, is also animated by animators from KyoAni)
TMoSH is by Kyoto Animation( with assistance from Ani Village). Shakugan no Shana is done by J.C. Staff.
You might be thinking of their novels' covers, which was done by the same illustrator.
Knavinusa
2006-07-04, 09:44
TMoSH is by Kyoto Animation( with assistance from Ani Village). Shakugan no Shana is done by J.C. Staff.
You might be thinking of their novels' covers, which was done by the same illustrator.
Hmm, really? The drawing style in the anime itself is very similar to SHnY, though. I'm just assuming the animation is done by some of the animators from KyoAni.
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-04, 09:55
It was a lot better than I thought it would be. That's all I have to say really.
Deathkillz
2006-07-04, 11:03
hmm when i first watched the beginning i was the same as everone else in the fact that WTF is the main word...i thought i downloaded the wrong anime but then it occured to me that it was a movie -.- pretty smart of the writers to jumble up the chronological order of the series which is the first thing that caught my attention...
in all this series completely twists and deform a set rule that anime has mostly been based on which makes it unique...taking paodies from other places as inspiration its like watching a couple anime genres in one go :heh:
the charaters are just lovely...everything is there
lazy type : kyon
wild type : haruhi
silent type : yuki
wise type : Itsuki
fanboy type : mikaru
with his cast of actors it definatly a brilliant play ;)
this series doesnt seem to follow a storyline/plot and are mostly totally random...but it does show devlopment of chara such as haruhi (love with kyon er? ;)) its lovely and moves in an unpredictaple pace...also adds to its uniqueness...one day you could be playing baseball the next you are getting killed by an alien in a closed space :heh:
also this series is just based on the thoughts of kyon...its a really interesting (and true) insight into ones mind and the things that boys think :heh: being a boy myself i should know...his sarcasm is also very clever haha
yep overall i loved it...the series being random did show lots of deep though put into it in developing the charaters and executing the splendedly all with great animation...the story is about "life" if i were to put it into a catagory...i mean is life always boring? thats for haruhi to decide ;) its basically tells you to do something interesting with life instead of being boring...give into haruiism >.<
p.s the moral of this series is never annoy haruhi of you would have just created the apocalypse!!
katakami
2006-07-04, 11:15
*Sigh* that was awesoooomeee ><
After episode 13 it was sitting at #8 on my list as top 10 anime titles... I said it COULD have a top 5 spot.... Now, it's sitting at #4 at the moment, beaten by FLCL, Yakitate!! Japan and Honey and Clover. ><
I do feel a bit of disappointment when it comes to big climax scenes where I'm expecting a lot and more longer stretched scenes which is why it didn't manage to secure #3. (particularly the battles - Oh I wish they had more because they were so interesting!!! ><Yuki's fighting is one of the most unique I've ever seen - and could top Matrix fighting scenes I think) ...
This series it's deep (I'm a fan of deep/detail), excellent characterisation, excellent drama, good pace, beautiful (and NOT LAZY - like a lot of series tch tch tch) animation, beautiful art, excellent screenplay (arrhhh... should I go on??) It certainly makes you want to scream "I WANT MOOOOOREE!!!" O_O but.. I think one of the beauties of it is just that... I feel this series was like eating a Japanese Banquet... everything is soo delicious and colourful but... so little.... ><
Ok, what should I say that haven't been said yet?
Yes, I hate this series, cause like every masterpiece, it makes me jealous of not being able to create such stories, art, atmospheres. Masterpieces make you feel old. They make you feel like you'll never be able to do anything with your own life.
So please, don't watch Suzumiya Haruhi! :upset:
Cause it's a pure masterpiece.
(Maybe you noticed this was sacarstic. :heh: )
I really liked the episode shuffling, I believe that they wonderfully pulled it off.
I really believe that episode 1 caused a lot of casualties however. To appreciate a smartly flawed mini-movie combined with real-time criticism is not a common activity. It also requires a certain level of consciousness, which somewhat implies maturity. I'm pretty sure that of those that got bored away by the mikuru movie, a good 40% could've have been saved. My younger brother and cousins were all baffled when they saw it, and wondering what the heck I was smoking when I was raving about it. Managed to convert one of them, working on the others.
The show in general operates on different levels (much like Pixar's movies, just deeper). Many people out there will just see in it a show with some wacko high-schooler that does senseless stuff. Many can't/won't between the lines. I'm pretty sure a good deal of jokes/details went over my head, and being the type of engaged viewer that I am (writing in forums about it, for example), I'm pretty sure a bucketload went over the heads of the majority of those that have seen at least an ep of the series.
Overall, I give the show a 9.5-10 (depending on how you value a perfect score), which is about the highest score I recall giving to a show, along with FMP:TSR, in recent memory. Definitely one of the best shows of the year, even though the summer season barely started.
And unlike shows like FSN, a second season would seem entirely plausible.
The biggest problem with episode 1 is that it really turns off many first-time viewers of the show. People who are familiar with the novel will find it incredibly funny, but even so-called "veteran" viewers like myself found it ridiculous and boring. While you could obviously see it was an attempt at a student film, the fact that we didn't have any identifiable character we were introduced to made the episode quite useless. We weren't invested enough in ANY character to be interested in that episode, which just tottered along in its own jokes.
Of course, episode 2 changed all that.
I guess the producers weren't aiming to pull in new viewers but appeal to the already established SuzuHaru fanbase built on by the novel.
howzitboy
2006-07-04, 15:11
*sigh* its over... that was an awesome ride. 14 episodes just wasnt enough!
id rank this show in my top 10 easily. sorry to say, but school rumble (first year) and honey and clover beat it.
i didnt find anything wrong at all.
the animation: blew me away. the effort they made for even the smallest details was amazing. Id say with confidence this was THE best animated TV series ever. Some ova's id rank higher (Karas !) Kyoto Animation has raised the bar on how an anime should be done. i cant wait to see how Kanon looks like.
chars: i loved em all. yeah some where just background chars, but the mains ones where kewl. You really got attached to them. Haruhi, Kyon and Yuki were perfect. Mikuru (my fav char) did her job perfectly MOE!!, Koizumi was the "Mystery" char who filled in the blanks , just perfect class of chars types. wish they showed more of Tsuruya! genkiiiiii.... i think ill really miss the gang *sniff*
story: unique, and even tho some/few/many hated the mixed up order of episodes, i loved it. u didnt know what to expect next. kept me guessing all the way to the ending. and i loved the episode they picked for the ending. it gave closure imho. i think if they showed this series in the correct order, it wouldnt have had the impact . im waiting to see how long till other animes copy the mixed up order format.... oops, story hehe, i loved it. a girl who is God and doesnt know it. all i can say is wow.
op/ed: omg, i cant believe the voice actor/actress' did it. i didnt even know till i read on forums .Very catchy songs and those Lives were amazing. i can safely say that Hirano Aya is one of my fav va ever! just to see how good the songs are, try hit youtube.com and see how many u see on it.
oops forgot to say, i also loved the little squeeks from mikuru the most lol.
Value and Enjoyment: a perfect 10.One of the best ever! one of the few shows that i waited all week to see the next episode. i ALMOST downloaded the raws cuz i couldnt wait. Finally a school based anime that wasnt cliche! or a harem ! just a crazy show bout a girl who is God. totally new genre they created. im already watching this show over and over cuz u see stuff u missed on the first viewing. this is one anime i will tell everyone to watch!
only negative i cant think of is 14 is toooo short. totally worth a full season 24 .
Shadowscar
2006-07-04, 15:37
I love but hated this series at the same time,
Some episodes i felt like i had to force my self to finish / stay awake, but the general ideal behind the series aka the plot, the characters, the tactics used by the characters to get what they wanted was all simply amazingly well done.
I do wish that there was more to this story then 14 episodes and maybe make it go in alittle bit more in order, sure some of the order issues were there for good reason but other ones such as the two parter being split by an episode just confused me lol...
I was a little disappointed with how it ended and hope that maybe an OVA can fix that :) or maybe season 2 as some others have said they would wish to see
Over all i say that dispite all my nit picking and dislikes about certain aspects of this series it still was and is amazing and a fun watch
Noppapana
2006-07-04, 16:14
i am kinda sad ...almost despressive
when i heard the opening theme at the end , my tears came out one by one
Haruhi must come back !!! cuz i like the serie too much
Yes, I'm feeling quite melancholic too, its like I lost one of the reasons to live lol. I've been looking forward to early monday and wednesday mornings and I've arranged my sleeping habits to follow it. Right now I lost the drive to wake up precisely for anything else.
I don't feel like finishing the novels as well, it would further reduce my will to live lol
Noppapana
2006-07-04, 16:29
Yes, I'm feeling quite melancholic too, its like I lost one of the reasons to live lol. I've been looking forward to early monday and wednesday mornings and I've arranged my sleeping habits to follow it. Right now I lost the drive to wake up precisely for anything else.
I don't feel like finishing the novels as well, it would further reduce my will to live lol
yeah hoping for more new advertures but now all we can do, is to read the novels and image the whole scenes
Kaoru Chujo
2006-07-04, 19:05
A wonderful, deep, intelligent, hilarious show. Since I said it might become my top anime ever, I've realized that there's no such thing. But it is definitely in the top few, for me, with things like Honey & Clover, KareKano, Uta-Kata, Beck, Planetes, Simoun, Haibane Renmei, YKK and others. But SHnY is excellent in more ways than any other show I know: humor, animation, story, relationships, personalities, voice acting, songs. I was totally hooked from the first couple of minutes of the first episode and only the island episodes left me a little indifferent. In any case, it did not drop off, but rose to a peak in the "final" episode.
It's striking to me that people who like shows I don't like (School Rumble, Yakitate, others) agree on this show and on Honey & Clover. The subtleties of personalities and relationships are important in both. That's not to say I didn't also love the fanservice: Mikuru-chan, Haruhi, even Yuki, and not to forget imouto-in-a-bag.
I know that the first ep put some people off, but I don't really understand that. Of course, I myself thought the animation there was great, not junk, and that the "bad" video was exquisitely choreographed. I didn't even notice that they'd put a screen over it. So someone more sensitive to animation might easily see things differently. I personally think that the show is so unique that anyone who expected what is "normal" -- in look or in episode order -- was probably unable to see the true greatness of what was happening, at least for a while.
But as soon as we got to episode two, it was clear that the animation level here was at the very top of TV anime. Really, though, it was the absurd humor that just grabbed me where I laugh and I was gone.
One thing about the discussions, here and elsewhere, really pissed me off: people complaining about the episode order. It was like they were demanding that this show become more ordinary. Can you see now that there was a reason for everything, and that it worked? This show is art, not Saturday morning cartoons.
And one thing grew and grew on me: Hirano Aya as Haruhi. The way she managed the tonalities in her voice to create subtle feelings was just amazing. I really want to see her in more such serious roles. And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
(...)And one thing grew and grew on me: Hirano Aya as Haruhi. The way she managed the tonalities in her voice to create subtle feelings was just amazing. I really want to see her in more such serious roles. And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
Thanks for the approval from a master like you. ^^
I wasn't especially talking about her actually. But it's true her impersonation of Haruhi is impressive. That's why hearing her with that ridiculous high-pitched voice makes me angry. Just fake. I'm sure she's not acting that much with that Haruhi voice of hers. Proof is, the songs. Much lower, and cooler.
Anyway, the only man here is Kyon. :heh: The character is the greatest anti-hero I've seen in years. I love irony, and he IS the Irony. :cool:
That said, I think I'll read the novels, in Japanese, because I have nothing else to do with my life. :p
And one thing grew and grew on me: Hirano Aya as Haruhi. The way she managed the tonalities in her voice to create subtle feelings was just amazing. I really want to see her in more such serious roles. And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
Oh yeah I must agree with that.. Hirano Aya was spectacular.. watching the RAWs helped me to appreciate that, because I could focus on their voices. I get (good) goosebumps now whenever I listen to the God Knows and Lost My Music. In the interview.. Which one was her real voice?? It was a bit freaky to see her "change" voices like that :heh:
Animexcel
2006-07-04, 21:23
Impressive series. I'll get this on domestic DVD.
Deathkillz
2006-07-04, 22:19
And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
holy heck that changing the voice instantly gives me the creeps...wht i would give to be able to do that :heh: she is really multi talented and dam right its depressing makes me feel inferior :rolleyes:
ApathyEcstasy
2006-07-04, 22:38
ironic..the melancholy of apathyecstasy..i wish the series was much much much longer
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-05, 00:46
holy heck that changing the voice instantly gives me the creeps...wht i would give to be able to do that :heh: she is really multi talented and dam right its depressing makes me feel inferior :rolleyes:
That was the most annoying voice on the planet. Seriously who talks like that. Seems like a nice girl though if a bit bubbly and shy.
A wonderful, deep, intelligent, hilarious show. Since I said it might become my top anime ever, I've realized that there's no such thing. But it is definitely in the top few, for me, with things like Honey & Clover, KareKano, Uta-Kata, Beck, Planetes, Simoun, Haibane Renmei, YKK and others. But SHnY is excellent in more ways than any other show I know: humor, animation, story, relationships, personalities, voice acting, songs. I was totally hooked from the first couple of minutes of the first episode and only the island episodes left me a little indifferent. In any case, it did not drop off, but rose to a peak in the "final" episode.
It's striking to me that people who like shows I don't like (School Rumble, Yakitate, others) agree on this show and on Honey & Clover. The subtleties of personalities and relationships are important in both. That's not to say I didn't also love the fanservice: Mikuru-chan, Haruhi, even Yuki, and not to forget imouto-in-a-bag.
I know that the first ep put some people off, but I don't really understand that. Of course, I myself thought the animation there was great, not junk, and that the "bad" video was exquisitely choreographed. I didn't even notice that they'd put a screen over it. So someone more sensitive to animation might easily see things differently. I personally think that the show is so unique that anyone who expected what is "normal" -- in look or in episode order -- was probably unable to see the true greatness of what was happening, at least for a while.
But as soon as we got to episode two, it was clear that the animation level here was at the very top of TV anime. Really, though, it was the absurd humor that just grabbed me where I laugh and I was gone.
One thing about the discussions, here and elsewhere, really pissed me off: people complaining about the episode order. It was like they were demanding that this show become more ordinary. Can you see now that there was a reason for everything, and that it worked? This show is art, not Saturday morning cartoons.
And one thing grew and grew on me: Hirano Aya as Haruhi. The way she managed the tonalities in her voice to create subtle feelings was just amazing. I really want to see her in more such serious roles. And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
She's a very motivated girl. KC requoted for great truth, especially the episode ordering.
Tastes differ about her voice - "little girl" voicing is considered attractive by many in Japan, though she was, purposely I think, engaging in some hyperbolic satire. - I don't find the voice annoying so much as just humorous.
However, I have to believe she was in total "put on" mode. She ran circles around the two comedian hosts (I've seen American VAs do the same voice games in interviews ... like Jesse Harnell, Billy West, and the like).
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-05, 01:34
She's a very motivated girl. KC requoted for great truth, especially the episode ordering.
Tastes differ about her voice - "little girl" voicing is considered attractive by many in Japan, though she was, purposely I think, engaging in some hyperbolic satire. - I don't find the voice annoying so much as just humorous.
However, I have to believe she was in total "put on" mode. She ran circles around the two comedian hosts (I've seen American VAs do the same voice games in interviews ... like Jesse Harnell, Billy West, and the like).
Yeah, Billy West rocks. I actually deliberately try to inspire mass confusion in those around me for fun, by speaking in a very dry and monotone dialect and then switching to a hyper-active dialect usually in the middle of a discussion, all the while relating back to incredibly obscure facts that nobody but myself really cares about. Very few people know what my real voice sounds like because of all this.
You may have seen me do it here by drawing absurd comparisons that on the surface have no relation to the subject at hand but if you understand my personality, have everything to do with the subject at hand. In fact I'm doing it right now :D
Ok, I'm going to be seriously now, I honestly have to say I can't stand most female Japanese singers, there's just something about there voices that annoys the crap out of me. I like male Japanese singers for the most part though. The exception are some of the major players of the 80's including MIO (Time For L-Gaim, Dunbine Tobu, Various Xabungle Songs, Bismarck and Rie Fujiwara (Dancougar Stuff). Also I like Maaya Sakamoto (Escaflowne among other things) and Rica Matsumoto (Stuff) as well, I think it might be the fact that they have slightly deeper voices than most female Japanese singers. Once the pitch reaches a certain level I pretty much write off the song.
I'm trying to recall... but so far one of the few VAs I can think of who sings in a pretty low ptich is Asakawa Yuu (VA for Motoko:LH). She's got an almost gravelly voice .. plus she does some singing work I can't characterize as sugary j-pop ... more hard alternative or rockish. A few of the VAs from Negima have pretty low singing voices but my brainspace for names isn't cooperating.
Chiwa Saito is about the only VA who sings in a high pitch that I like - mostly because she's singing such daffy lyrics (PPD).
For non-VA singers..... Ua has a good range - she sings an eclectic mix of jazz, blues, and experimental. KOTOKO seems to have a few ranges she sings in depending on the tune.
ironic..the melancholy of apathyecstasy..i wish the series was much much much longer
Yeah, I only just realised that there was only 14 eps. after I finished watching the last one.
It was unexpectedly short in my opinion. Made me sad :upset: . But hopefully there would be another series or an OVA or some sort of follow up!
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-05, 02:21
Yeah, I only just realised that there was only 14 eps. after I finished watching the last one.
It was unexpectedly short in my opinion. Made me sad :upset: . But hopefully there would be another series or an OVA or some sort of follow up!
Its the standard length of any Modern anime, basically yes too damn short. Look at it this way, they cut episodes so the budget isn't stretched across a large number of episodes, thus better quality for each individual episode.
On another note Suzumiya Haruhi just passed Trust and Betrayal on ANN, although people have been hammering away at Trust and Betrayal's rating for weeks now, I've never seen a series get so many Awfuls and Worst evers so fast after not being voted for, for like months (In case people don't know I'm not too fond of ANN's ranking system). Where are these Block Voters when we need to get rid of Conservatives and Republicans. You've proved your point, now go home and pat yourselves on the back and maybe vote in a political election or something and vote NDP or Democrat, Christ god knows we need you.
Course in a political election its one vote per person, not one vote for every e-mail address you can create. Its like when Bush won the election, but lost the popular vote to Gore, legitimacy and everything. Stupid ANN, why oh why don't you limit the vote too the IP Address, it just lacks legitimacy this way and feels empty, I'm sure everybody else feels the same way. Oh that's Bayesian by the way, Artithmetically it doesn't even make the Top #50, go figure. Ah ANN, you never cease to amaze in your messed up statistics and constantly innacurrate news reports. Just thought I'd pass the news along if anyone really gives a damn.
katakami
2006-07-05, 06:12
I don't think 14 episodes is actually a standard length. ^^;; 13 is a more common number. Even so, 24,25,26 is a lot more common and you also get ones that go into their 60's, 80's, over 100, over 300. Ofcourse you get OVAs which are normally 1-6 episodes... and odd ones like FLCL that finish at 6 episodes.
So in terms of standard lengths, I think, particularly in recent years, they've dissolved. =)
In the case of Haruhi Suzumiya, I also agree 14 episodes was a bit short, but just like the re-arrangement of chronological order, I think it was done on purpose. Considering factors such as budget (the reason for NGE series' tragic final epsidoes), and questioning exactly how much time would sufficiently communicate enough of the story to attract a large audience (and you can't argue this series hasn't caught a lot of attention), I think the thought put into its "duration" was well done. In terms of getting the amount of what you put in, I think Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu wins bonus points. If I were an anime critic, I wouldn't ignore this.
Anyway, it's duration I'd argue was enough if their goal was to give everyone a "taste" of Haruhi Suzumiya. If you want more, read the book, because that's where it all began. I'm certainly not against an OVA or a second series though but, I think it would be tricky to do one and keep the same standard. Compared to a lot of series it's pacing and storytelling was well thought out. For example, I recently finished Gantz and was incredibly frustrated with that pacing - I found myself skimming through the last episodes. I thought it could have been done well in 13 episodes.
Well done to Kyoto Animation - hurry up and release here in Australia so I can buy the series (I RARELY buy).
And thank you a.f.k. =)
Kaoru Chujo
2006-07-05, 14:39
She's a very motivated girl...Tastes differ about her voice - "little girl" voicing is considered attractive by many in Japan, though she was, purposely I think, engaging in some hyperbolic satire. - I don't find the voice annoying so much as just humorous. However, I have to believe she was in total "put on" mode. She ran circles around the two comedian hosts (I've seen American VAs do the same voice games in interviews ... like Jesse Harnell, Billy West, and the like).She has the same high voice in the video of her archery photo-shoot, so I don't think it's necessarily a put-on. But I certainly doubt it's what she uses every day. Maybe just in "performance" situations like an interview? Is that voice considered particularly polite and feminine? I'm tempted to speculate on the artificiality of Japanese social styles. Not that I don't find the voice attractive, too. Just very artificial-seeming.
Oh well, I'll just contribute a bit.
I actually found ep 1 interesting :p I just hoped they wouldn't make a movie for 13 more episode, cause I was getting dizzy.
Well, I'm not a novel reader, but ep 1 caught my eye and decided I should watch more. So I assume KyoAni wasn't just targetting novel readers.
Other than that, everything else has been said, so there's no point in repeating (ok, the outstanding animation and level of detail were insane and I have to repeat that :p Most of the shows I watch seem low quality compared to Haruhi, animation-wise).
And one last thing
*raises banner
KYONxMIKURU FTW :p
*gets ready for Kanon 2006, prays for Haruhi second season.
Zappster
2006-07-05, 16:17
Same here. Episode 1 was what actually got me hooked on the series. I found it to be extremely funny and unique for a first episode(make that any episode) of any anime I've seen. And again I have yet to read the novels. I know of a couple of people like me that took a liking to it after the first episode, without being in on the joke as it were. It's been mentioned but it was mainly because of the "so bad it's good" vibe the movie gave off that we liked it. After that first episode I wanted to find out what exactly was going on. I've been back and checked a couple of things over as well such as some of the clues and stuff they gave which I missed out on first time. It just snowballed from there really.
She has the same high voice in the video of her archery photo-shoot, so I don't think it's necessarily a put-on. But I certainly doubt it's what she uses every day. Maybe just in "performance" situations like an interview? Is that voice considered particularly polite and feminine? I'm tempted to speculate on the artificiality of Japanese social styles. Not that I don't find the voice attractive, too. Just very artificial-seeming.
I actually quite dislike these sort of voices. In Chinese or Singaporean culture, we call this "act cute", or "zhuang ke ai"... Hayao Miyazaki has noted that many Japanese females have a sort of quality to their voices that tries to appeal and appease men, and he finds this annoying since he prefers stronger females, as shown by the heroines in his work. As such I was actually quite annoyed by Aya Hirano : p Of course, this has happened with virtually all Japanese female stars/celebrities I've seen on TV/media in some sort of casual real life setting.. Utada Hikaru is an example. Urgh.
I think Japanese culture does have an influential role in shaping the vocal character/behavior of members of the two genders. I saw Aya Hirano in other candid shorts, and she speaks like that as well..
Anyway, I am still VERY impressed with her abilities.
I had a long, long essay about my final thoughts on SHnY, but I figured that it was far too long to post on a forum (and still have a chance of being read). So I'll just summarize the points.
- I don't like the first episode, but I appreciate how technically well-done it is. My dislike of it is entirely because I don't like to see people in embarrassing/humiliating situations when they're clearly not enjoying it.
- For all that Kyon complains that Itsuki uses a great number of weird analogies and metaphors, he does it himself all the time in his internal monologues.
- All the SOS-dan members (and honourary members, meaning Tsuruya, Imouto, Taniguchi/Kunikida, and even Ryouko) are characterized extremely well. (Kunikida being a possible exception.) The VAs especially deserve kudos for completely and utterly fitting the characters so very well.
- The whole bit about episode-shuffling works well in retrospect, especially when I tried watching it in chronological order. That made it seem like all the real action was in the beginning, and then the series just kind of tapered off and ground to a halt (especially since the "last episode" had the three minutes of Yuki reading). But when it was actually going on (when the series was still being aired), it was still quite irritating. This is another case of episode 1 foreshadowing the rest of the series: "It might seem like we're being stupid for no reason, but just hang on until the end, and it'll all make sense."
- I wonder how much of the show's popularity is due to the ending dance. Since I like the song, I'm not complaining.
- KyoAni has done such a great job that when I read the novel translations, I can actually picture exactly how a chapter that hasn't been animated will play out in anime form. Heck, "Endless Eight" hasn't been fully translated, but I've read what the story is about, and I can already imagine Yuki calmly and matter-of-factly explaining the situation while Kyon looks aghast.
- a.f.k. are awesome. You guys deserve every single bit of praise you get.
- I'd not have expected a sci-fi (closed spaces, aliens/time-travellers/ESPers) action ("real" action like in Mysterique Sign and episode 10, and "fake" action like in Day of Sagittarius) school days (obvious) harem (Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki all taking an interest in Kyon) comedy (Kyon's snark and the bizarre situations) anime to fit so well together.
- SHnY is, I think, one of the ultimate in wish-fulfilment anime: the hope that somehow, in some manner, life will be interesting. Whether by being surrounded by attractive members of the opposite sex, by encountering aliens/time-travellers/ESPers, by winning a tournament, by being involved in a murder mystery, by battling a monster, by living an exciting life... I've found myself comparing my usual worldview to Haruhiism: the belief that strange and exciting things happen, and as Kyon tries to tell Haruhi, they are all around us.
Haruhiism is about not being cynical and jaded, but believing that maybe, just maybe, tomorrow, the great unknown tomorrow, will be interesting and fun.
That, more than anything else, is the final impression I got from SHnY. It's a lesson that I find very useful, and a philosophy worth following.
Aiya Kasai
2006-07-05, 20:39
I am really sad that it ended...they didn't answer alot of characters and such. They really need more episodes to explain unanswered questions....
or maybe i just need to read the novel.
Kaoru Chujo
2006-07-05, 22:17
Great comments. I loved episode 1. The humor just tore me apart: both funny and wise.
I understand perfectly why dkellis wouldn't like to see people embarrassed. I usually can't watch such shows myself. But I felt that was just a surface thing here, and it didn't bother me. I felt somehow as if the dignity of all concerned was being deeply respected, and that Mikuru was everyman, suffering the inexorability of god's will. I laughed as a way of exorcising fate.
Thanks also to dkellis for reminding me of the joy of Haruhism: strange, exciting, interesting things are happening all around us. Life can be fun.
And a.f.k rocks. First Karin and now this. Speed and excellence combined.
And thanks to arias for his/her comments about "acting cute" （装可爱）. I don't think this is how it works in Chinese culture, but in Japanese culture I get a feeling that the high artificial voice might be, besides being for men's sake, a kind of self-protection: so clearly artificial that your real self is protected behind it. I'd love to hear about this from someone Japanese.
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-05, 22:38
- SHnY is, I think, one of the ultimate in wish-fulfilment anime: the hope that somehow, in some manner, life will be interesting. Whether by being surrounded by attractive members of the opposite , by encountering aliens/time-travellers/ESPers, by winning a tournament, by being involved in a mystery, by battling a monster, by living an exciting life... I've found myself comparing my usual worldview to Haruhiism: the belief that strange and exciting things happen, and as Kyon tries to tell Haruhi, they are all around us.
Haruhiism is about not being cynical and jaded, but believing that maybe, just maybe, tomorrow, the great unknown tomorrow, will be interesting and fun.
That, more than anything else, is the final impression I got from SHnY. It's a lesson that I find very useful, and a philosophy worth following.
Wow. Get out of my head :eyespin:
I really don't think anyone could have summed it up better. I can't think of much to add other than a resounding "what you said."
I am a bit embarrassed to say it, but my juvenile hopes that maybe something interesting will happen eventually has been rekindled by this show. Major props to everyone involved for returning some lost innocence of youth :p
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-06, 00:40
I am really sad that it ended...they didn't answer alot of characters and such. They really need more episodes to explain unanswered questions....
or maybe i just need to read the novel.
You just answered your own question, read the novel and the chapters that were covered because they go into a lot more detail and cut through a lot of the crap.
Just watch the series recently for the first time and say it is one of the best series I have ever seen in my whole life. At first, I thought it was trying to be funny but as the episodes progress it took a serious turn. I would never have thought Haruhi Suzumiya wanted to make life much more interesting by meeting the alien, time traveller, and esper. Kyon was just an ordinary high school student who was caught up in all of this and really turns out to be a wonderful protagonist. Never thought it parodies several anime I can think of: Neon Genesis Evangelion, Rahxephon, Haruhi's pose from Gakudan Sybokudan, the phrases from Full Metal Panic: Fumoffu and the Second Raid, and the mosaic of probably a famous Gundam launched out at a catapult. Truly this is a creative and innovative series that should not go unnoticed! Hail to Haruhism, the fulfiller of extraordinary wishes!
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-06, 01:14
Just watch the series recently for the first time and say it is one of the best series I have ever seen in my whole life. At first, I thought it was trying to be funny but as the episodes progress it took a serious turn. I would never have thought Haruhi Suzumiya wanted to make life much more interesting by meeting the alien, time traveller, and esper. Kyon was just an ordinary high school student who was caught up in all of this and really turns out to be a wonderful protagonist. Never thought it parodies several anime I can think of: Neon Genesis Evangelion, Rahxephon, Haruhi's pose from Gakudan Sybokudan, the phrases from Full Metal Panic: Fumoffu and the Second Raid, and the mosaic of probably a famous Gundam launched out at a catapult. Truly this is a creative and innovative series that should not go unnoticed! Hail to Haruhism, the fulfiller of extraordinary wishes!
Actually it was the original Gundam.
What do you say to a "Your Top 5 Moments" debate?
5. Ep. 6 - Haruhi's/Kyon's rapid-fire "I've figured it out" lines leading to Mikuru's yelp of fright at being the victim.
4. Ep. 4 - Yuki fielding baseballs with great enthusiasm.
3. Ep. 11 - Yuki locking on target as the culmination of her great... er... gameplay.
2. Ep. 11 - Haruhi's flying kick
and
1. Ep. 1 - Tsuruya shuddering, giggling, and eventually bursting out laughing at the ridiculousness of the thought of Mikuru being a time traveller on a mission to save the world.
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-06, 01:56
I'll tell you all what the most interesting moment of the series was for me, bear with me through this. It was right around episode 13 when I realized that Haruhi is essentially a female version of me, right down to every personality trait and quirk, flaw, virtue and talent. I mean "EVERYTHING" right down to the tiniest detail, you name it I'll tell you how it fits in with my personality. I don't want to go into too much detail because otherwise I'll be here all night listing things off. Let's just say its like the author followed me around all throughout my high school life and then started to right a book about the events he witnessed (It even works out that the first novel was written the year I graduated). It's really weird to sit there and watch what is basically yourself, only a girl, in a TV show. That's probably the subconcious reason I stuck with this series throughout all the broohaha.
That happens lol, I find 3/4's of myself in Haruhi, 1/2 in Kyon, its part of Tanigawa Nagaru's tactics to capture and relate to the readers. And its how he made these characters so life-like and even though extreme, we can relate to them.
I found Basara so much like myself I had his hairstyle for sometime when my hair was still long lol
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-06, 02:57
That happens lol, I find 3/4's of myself in Haruhi, 1/2 in Kyon, its part of Tanigawa Nagaru's tactics to capture and relate to the readers. And its how he made these characters so life-like and even though extreme, we can relate to them.
I found Basara so much like myself I had his hairstyle for sometime when my hair was still long lol
No you don't seem to understand we're like 99.999999% the same person (the 0.000001 comes from the fact that Haruhi is an abysmal strategist worse than my friend, while I am an ace at Strategy games of all kind). I'm not making this up either but there was this group of Japanese businessmen in my school for about 3 months in 2001 and I would see them all the time by the Library where I hung out and they would go inside when I went inside and leave when I left, and I thought they were constantly following me, I go into a class in one wing and walk out to the foyer and BOOM they they are watching me. Brings back some weird memories, thinking about all this. I'm sure it was all just a coincidence and they were there to look at the school for an exchange program, but still. I seriously am not making any of this up.
From seeing the series, my impression of the relation between Haruhi and Kyon is similar to Dr. Haber and George Orr in terms of serving as a control mechanism for a reality altering power, although far more positive in the case of Haruhi and Kyon. Beings such as Haruhi and George would best be described as a 'material nexus', in that reality can be changed materially by shifts in perception, particularly in dreams, rather than as demi-gods or gods, that would require something more along the lines of omniscience in addition to omnipotence, of which the integrated data entity behind Yuki would be closer in that regard.
The best elements of the series I would consider to be the animation quality and VA skill, especially with the musical portions, which are musically excellent in their own right. The Macross series was the last one I consider to have music this well incorporated. Characterization was quite good as well. The one thing that bugs me though is that having seen so many different story elements from elsewhere before makes me somewhat jaded about these sorts of presentations.
As a side note, I do think that the giants in closed space resemble creatures from Miyazaki films, particularly the giant weapons from Nausicaa. :)
I got to say this series is in my top 5 anime of all time. I thought they did a great job with the series animation, music, plot, and all. Kyon will prolly be one of my favorite male characters in anime. The thing I loved most about it was that it had everything you would want in an anime action, comedy, drama, good plot.
I got a question though how far is this into the Novels? Did it cover all the volumes or just a couple of them?
The anime only showed 1/4 or less of the 8 novels.
Animexcel
2006-07-08, 00:24
Great comments. I loved episode 1. The humor just tore me apart: both funny and wise.
I still don't know why Yuki attacked Mikuru after she did a "Mikuru Beam". I mean she went up to her and knocked her down as she shoved her face in the ground or something lol
Can anyone tell me?:heh:
The Sphinx
2006-07-08, 00:34
I still don't know why Yuki attacked Mikuru after she did a "Mikuru Beam". I mean she went up to her and knocked her down as she shoved her face in the ground or something lol
Can anyone tell me?:heh:
The "Mikuru Beam" happened because Haruhi wanted it to happen (Mikuru doesn't normally have those kinds of powers of course). In other words, she spontaneously fired off a real beam of some sort that would have taken Kyon's head clean off if Yuki hadn't blocked it. Having charged particles shooting out of your eye is very painful and would have blinded Mikuru permanently. Yuki ran to her, pushed her down so Haruhi couldn't see what was going on, and put specially-made nanomachines into Mikuru's eye that healed the damage.
Yuki wasn't attacking Mikuru, she was saving her.
Animexcel
2006-07-08, 00:39
The "Mikuru Beam" happened because Haruhi wanted it to happen (Mikuru doesn't normally have those kinds of powers of course). In other words, she spontaneously fired off a real beam of some sort that would have taken Kyon's head clean off if Yuki hadn't blocked it. Having charged particles shooting out of your eye is very painful and would have blinded Mikuru permanently. Yuki ran to her, pushed her down so Haruhi couldn't see what was going on, and put specially-made nanomachines into Mikuru's eye that healed the damage.
Yuki wasn't attacking Mikuru, she was saving her.
Thanks for the explanation ^_^
An entertaining and fresh approach to a rather uninspired coming of age/romantic story. The well-written humor carries the show, along with the cast of characters who are all pretty likeable. Even if the "big picture" is unimpressive, the great individual moments throughout the show make it enjoyable enough to outweigh its flaws. Not saying much, but definitely one of the better shows of the season.
Sorrow-K
2006-07-08, 23:44
Since I intend to review this anime in the near future, I'm using this thread to get my thoughts in order.
Personally, I think Suzumiya Haruhi proves that it's possible for an anime to push the boundaries of the medium, but still remain very popular. It reinvigorates my faith not just in the medium, but also in the industry as a whole, that such titles can be made and aimed at the mainstream.
The thing that has always impressed me most about Suzumiya Haruhi are its visuals. Not just Kyoto Animation's near spotless animation, but also the cinematography, which always chose the right scenes to barrage the audience with unconventional angles and effects. The directing was always amazing. Isihara Tatsuya is, for mine, the second most unsung director in anime, only beaten by Shinbo Akiyuki in that respect, IMO. But, let's no underestimate the impact of the animation. All the characters moved with a vibrancy and energy that perfectly matched their respective personalities, and it portrayed with crystal clarity the mindsets of all the characters in every scene. I continue to be so impressed with Kyoto Animation. I really can't see how anyone could argue that they're not currently at the absolute pinnacle of television animation.
The comedy was brilliant. The first episode in particular was scathingly witty, and a very sharp commentary, not only on anime, but the fans who try to emulate it. The rest of the episodes had a near impeccible hit-to-joke ratio. What really put Suzumiya Haruhi in the top flight of comedies, though, is that the really great jokes were so memorable (and rewatchable): Mikuru's introduction, Itsuki's "SECOND RAID", and the brilliant Phoenix Wright homage. There was just so much cleverness in the comedy, and it really worked to make a very entertaining show.
Discussing the characters is pretty much discussing Haruhi. With the exception of Kyon, the rest of the cast were probably comedic devices... which isn't something to complain about, since they were funny. I really would have appreciated it if Yuki got more attention... but that may be something for the possible second season. Kyon was good, and the way his sarcastic narration was used was great, not just as a comedic device, but also as a window into his mind. But, there's no question that this show was all about Haruhi. And the way the developed her is extremely commendable. No forced background, no sudden changes from a single event. She was shown to be a very complex character, and her changes were highlighted purely through excellent storytelling and subtle gestures. I really cannot applaud the way they developed her character enough. It was fantastic, unconventional and subtle.
What I didn't like about Haruhi: the last episode that aired. I thought it was rather uncharacteristic of Haruhi that the final episode that aired would focus on a plot-centric conflict (and one that really didn't impress), when the best of Haruhi had been the episodes that had focused on her as a character (particularly the school festival episode, which I thought was amazing). I thought the true chronological ending was a far superior episode, and an infinitely more fitting and profound ending for Haruhi.
Overall, if it weren't for the disappointing ending (which lingered, simply due to the fact that it was the last ep to air), this anime would be in the absolute top tier of the medium. It isn't, IMO, but it's an excellent and unforgettable series, nonetheless. I have no qualms with saying that there were moments that came as close to perfection as anime will ever get... but, the reality is that these were fleeting.
panzerfan
2006-07-09, 07:44
Suzumiya Haruhi as the fifth revolution to me is not an understatement... it speaks for this current generation, this generation of youth that are in a perpetual state of boredom as we're lost in the sea of wealth all around us. I daresay that it is as powerful as the call of the American Dream during the start of the last century.
Suzumiya Haruhi becomes a landmark because it moves the audience into its ludicrous preconditions in its thought experiment and makes the audience want to duplicate it. Moreover, we're able to resonate well with the ordinary Kyon that embodies the attitude of the target social group without being a stereotype. The cinematography and the execution are supurb (KyoAni used its lessons from AIR and improve on the screenplay with Haruhi) seizes us, attention deficient and spoiled quickly and takes us through the wonderland around us with just enough information for us to stumble through.
The narriation of Kyon stands out. He has the last word on everything that happens to Haruhi (other than us) and takes us through this world like George Orwell in Down and out in Paris and London. His account of this incredable experiment shines brightly in the midst of macabre narriation in recent history. Many times throughout the story, Kyon speaks as Tonigawa the author and holds nothing back with his comments and the audience is able to paint the clearest round character view from Kyon despite his role as an observer and a support. In doing so, the guide's grumbles become our notes from the grand experiment.
Suzumiya Haruhi herself has such an aura and she rises from mediocrity by being herself, not as tsundere, not a kawaii high-school girl, not even a stereotypical teen. She feels likes a Shakespherian tragic lead put into a comedy. Her flaws seem to be at times fatal and might lead to her end yet the motley crew around her work diligently to prevent that. Her own strength serves to drive the crew and the story forth as she seeks her way out of mediocrity and boredom. We look at her and the motives resonate to us. We're bored out of our minds despite an overwhelming amount of things-to-do and we're lost as no matter what we do thousands of others are already doing it. Thus, we're forced to answer the question of how to make boredom interesting through her.
Evangelion, the forth revolution ushers forth mystery and an intricate plot but its spiral becomes out of control. Haruhi did not enter that and instead shows the anti-climax as the experiment continues. It does what Eva does with appealing to the fanbase from the beginning and it keeps compounding till the very end using metaphysic interpolations of their reality that rivals the 1995 sensation. With most animes stuck with the Eva mindset audience and presentation wise, generation Y has been saturated with these spectacular drama that's moving away from the ethoes of this era. Haruhi addresses to this apathy and builds on that premise, to paraphrase dkellis, giving the audience the ultimate wish fulfillment. I believe that Haruhi does to generation Y and the igeneration as Evangelion does to generation X.
The metaphysics of Haruhi takes a life of its own as ontological discussion rages throughout (and that's not even blatently discussed in the anime, more or less just a presentation of 1 model on their world). Suddenly the boredom of classical mechanics comes to live as we refer to quantum mechanics in attempt to answer the experiment... in the spirit of The Blue Bird of Happiness. The thought of relative amount of 'space' that exists even with solid matter had me excited on something that I've no doubt would've fallen asleep if read from a book... yet many of us that posted are dumbfounded by these undercurrent reality surrounding us throughout Haruhi's run. (Well concluding that we live in an odd universe is a good thing... maybe)
I won't go into Asahina Mikuru, Nagato Yuki and Koizumi Itsuki's melancholy as that's not in the full scope of the anime. They are yet to be tapped to their fullest which makes me want to see what will behold in season 2 should that materialize.
As such, I believe that Haruhi is as claimed, the fifth revolution. It takes and draws from the strength of releases in this era and it connects to the fanbase through the discussion on escape from apathy and offers a dream of making boredom interesting at an age where things move literally at the speed of light. The grand experiment thus continues. (I will keep developing this but this is what I come to think of S. Haruhi)
I am personally a little sad with the conclusion of season 1 but my own thirst can be quenched a little from the novel. The rabbit hole continues. (just as summer does...) I eagerly await Kanon and by then I hope to be reduced to a sniffiling shell come winter.
SnakeLegend
2006-07-09, 09:24
i agreed with what panzer said in the first paragraph, it speaks for this current generation, this generation of youth that are in a perpetual state of boredom as we're lost in the sea of wealth all around us.
thats was so true, i salute you.
i agreed so much that... i'm rather speechless when i read all the comments from various people, they all give serious or rather other thoughts about it. Boredom, i suppose, is the most irritating thing that teenagers happened to come by everyday, everytime. why the gangsters or "homie" monsters are hanging outside and scolding F everytime they talk? Boredom. Why people use Uzi to bang down shops or steal from an old auntie's bag? Boredom. Why doing nonsensical things all of a sudden? Boredom+Attention seeking.
In the current century, its all about boredom. Money speaks all, and those without money gets bored like hell since they can't buy anything. There isn't a thing thats left interesting to do in this world. The tradition's been lost long ago. People don't know how to act humorously or know how to be him or herself. Everyone now is wearing a mask, hiding true faces all the time.
No one walked in the streets with their true selves, they hide it all the time. no one seeks for adventures anymore since they think its childish and kids-only. Meh. i bet someone out there, is thinking the same thing as me now.
FatPianoBoy
2006-07-09, 16:41
Meh. i bet someone out there, is thinking the same thing as me now.
Like me ;)
To draw yet another Evangelion parallel: "What's wrong with running away from reality if it sucks?"
Boredom is a horrible thing. Humanity's advance has slowed and now it can't keep up with our attention spans; again, because of money.
However, instead of logging onto internet forums and bemoaning the deplorable condition of society (:p), Haruhi got up off her butt and did something about it. She set out to change the whole world. While she didn't quite pull that off (yet), she did manage to change the lives of everyone around her, which in its own way did change the world.
If there's only one thing that's to be learned from Haruhi, it's that doing what you want is the only way to escape all the hum-drum that is modern society. It teaches us that going outside and playing is fine for people of any age. Making rediculous movies with your friends is something that people will actually want to watch. Going on city-wide searches to find something that's right in front of you can be fun. And, most importantly, it lets us believe that if we wish hard enough and take the initiative, maybe something truly interesting will come our way.
Correction: Making rediculous movies with your friends starring a busty fragile and sensitive senior in tight bunny costume and waitress suit and having her fall into water is something that people will actually want to watch :p
I agree with your point; and to add to your last sentence, it does also show that wishing to hard may make us blind to the pleasures and interesting things we already have; as in how Haruhi had no clue that she was gallivanting with an alien, esper and slider.
You know, with the response episode 1 has gotten in Real Life, I wonder if "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00" got the same reaction in the world of SHnY...
You mean reactions with specs-wearing, pamplet wielding japanese otakus and computer club members? I think so.
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-10, 15:37
I never felt it was as great as other people think it is, more of a feeling of, thank god this show is NEW and DOESN'T SUCK and is actually entertaining and fun to watch. I still don't have enough faith to believe other new shows will be as watchable as this one, but I'd like to believe its true.
Also since its new and I enjoyed it, it gave me some common ground to talk about with fellow anime fans since most of the stuff I watch is from the 80's and 90's, which a lot of people haven't seen nor likely heard of so its impossible to discuss with other people. For that I am very grateful.
I'll tell a bit of a story here about why I am grateful for the talking points and common ground this show has provided:
Keep in mind I'm stuck in something of a sandwich generation where I have little in common with Gen-X (which I often feel I belong to more than Gen-Y) and even less in common with the so-called Generation Y. I've always been stuck in the middle with regard to age in my family and am the black sheep of said family who are conservative on one side and liberal on the other while I'm a socialist, isn't it great growing up isolated and bitter. After some careful research I've figure out I belong to Generation XY a very narrow transitional generation between Gen-X and Gen-Y, I can also apparently act as a medium between the two generations.
I like Snake Legend and Panzerfan posts (previous page) very much. Very good summary, boredom is indeed at one of the centerS (?) of Haruhi's story.
:topicoff:
sorry :heh:
Personnally, I'm quite strong against boredom. I mean I always have things to think about, stuff to read, watch, or listen to, walks I'd like to do, etc...
I don't need much to be kept "entertained". I'm way from feeling alright all the time (that's the less I could say :heh: ), but still, this is not somethig I have to fight myself.
Yet, I understand how bored people feel. I understand why bored people are bored. This is nothing new, I guess. I'd say that since the end of WWII and after 1968 revolution, young people have "nothing" (notice the quotes) to fight against. Boredom is human. When you're not starving, or cold, when you're not "endangered", you just get bored.
Problem is, things changed in the 80's, I'd say. Major crisis led youth to a new poverty, without a job ( at least in my own country) without a future, just waiting for social welfare.
What summarizes the 90's best is still Nirvana's "Here we are now, entertain us". Yeah, they were addressing the whole bunch of people who created that shitty rotten modern world and left it hanging without any user's manual.
2001 and Bush indeed brought some sort of "entertainment", but look... yeah, it's pathetic. Killing people and having people killed in the so-called name of freedom and peace is not fun at all, isn't it?:upset:
So, yeah, 15 years later, some of us grew old :heh: , some weren't even born at that time, but we're still here now, and we need entertainement. Peace around the world, and entertainement.
:topicoff: end
That's why Suzumiya Haruhi's plot is completely new. It goes beyond boredom. Tanigawa just created the goddess everyone born after 1977 (Chose the year "almost" randomly. lol) is dreaming about.
Sorry about the obscure rant.:p
You might notice some recent pasts missing from this thread, that's because they have now been moved into the Suzumiya Haruhi Q & A (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31028) thread.
Here's a reminder of what this thread is for :)
This thread is to be used for discussing the entire 14 episodes of Suzumiya Haruhi ... your thoughts about the show, theories, hopes or desire for another season, etc., etc…
A few subjects you might want to wax poetic about until out of breath:
General impression of the series.
Opinions on the overall story, writing & plot devices.
Thoughts about the animation quality.
Characters.
Whether there should be another season or more episodes (OVA?).
What the show meant to you.
What could the creators/animators/writers could have done better.
Your regret for hating it in the beginning and then eating crow because you now love it to death.
And so on.
The recent posts made here (by Kaiko (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=615150&postcount=278) and chill. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=615272&postcount=283) along with the replies by C.A and SnakeLegend) have been moved into a more appropriate thread to allow this thread to remain on topic.
A note to posters such as Kaiko and chill., please use threads such as the Suzumiya Haruhi (General Discussion) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413) if you wish to actually discuss more general points or issues. Ta!
Kaioshin Sama
2006-07-11, 15:39
For once something got moved and it wasn't my fault.
Looking at Raphael's post it seems no wonder that I'm a nihilist, having been born into neither generation X or Y I'm stuck in the middle without any idea where I'm going.
I can honestly say in my opinion the series has done nothing to change that fact nor does it address the issues of my generation, its more a personal battle for the characters than for society as a whole, I don't identify with any of the characters, even Haruhi who I am most like is her own person. Maybe what they are trying to say is that everybody is unique and should not be judged by the rest of society which is what everybody did to Haruhi during her youth by shunning her and calling her weird. I'm pretty certain at this point that the major theme of the series was another accepting those who are different thing, only this time the difference is that instead of the outcast being all moppy and whiny all the time she ventures out to prove herself to the rest of the world and is only emo about 10% of the time (This is where encouragement from the rest of the gang to help her along comes in handy).
So its a coming of age story except with interesting characters, it kind of bounced off me, but was still an interesting story, its just nothing affects me, even Smells Like Teen Spirit which for the first time ever today I found out what the hell Kobain was saying, was cool and all, but it changes nothing. To me the thing that makes the most sense to me is that quote from The Simpsons.
Bart Simpson: Nothing you say can upset us. We're the MTV generation.
Lisa Simpson: We feel neither highs or lows.
Homer Simpson: Really? What's it like?
Lisa Simpson: Meh.
panzerfan
2006-07-11, 19:39
That's basically it. My age is the same as Kaioshin (biggest anime when I was in primary's Sailor Moon, Gundam and Dragonball. I was too young to actually remember defining events like Tian'anmen and Berlin wall but I caught onto the advent of the internet). Suzumiya Haruhi takes on the role of summarizing what I have observed when I was in school with this transition period.
Haruhi is the embodiment of the issue with generation y/internet generation's boredom while Kyon to me becomes the representation of the frustation of the young adults sandwiched just inbetween. Alot of his comments resonate with what the transition youth know (such as the issue of social safety net threatened by retirement of baby boomers as a very minor point he made or his "the look of somebody that failed entrance exam" remark) and this block is adversely effected given that they're now just entering work force. When he talks with Koizumi the metaphysic is at the forefront of what the young adults would be engaged with during advanced education or would have some basis to digest the fine points after secondary education... the later being the reason that the talk pulls me in like no other. Kyon and Haruhi actually makes me think of the gap between the transition period and the internet generation at times and personally I find it relavent as I live it since my little sister would be gen Y. Kyon strikes a poignant note in me moreso than any other as the result of what I come out of and his blatent narriatives.
SnakeLegend
2006-07-12, 00:46
But from what i see, its a way to see Kyon that he's to be choosing which part of himself to be, the regular or irregular one. he could be both, so he's the key to Haruhi. also represent us in our current state, be a mask or be the wearer.
deathclown
2006-08-02, 11:48
well when i saw suzumiya haurhi no yuutsu well i said to myself "ehhh not bad" but when i watched the other episodes i think "hey this is very good" and im craving for more episodes, well for me the anime is kinda short, i wanna know what will happen to them after the dream thing i mean their relationship to each other specially to kyon and haruhi, also theres mikuru who likes kyon too and also yuki it seems that she likes kyon, and theres this time haruhi got jealous on mikuru because kyon and mikuru are really getting along and i like the face reaction of yuki when kyon said "your much cuter without your glasses" well if you dont see the face reaction just feel it............ well to put it in short i want a SEASON 2, they should make it an 25 episode anime well i watched a lot of anime but i say some cool anime are kinda short on episodes, help me i got haruhi fever and im craving for more episodes oh yeah by the way in all the 3 girl member of SOS i like the most is mikuru and yuki i kinda dont like haruhi, well no offense to haruhi fans ok im just saying what i feel..............well furthermore this anime got my thumbs up and my rating is 10/10.
yay !!
umm if theres a suzumiya haruhi no yuutsu fans is there something we could do to make a request for a season 2 or extended episodes or whatever just like what i said earlier in my post i really want to know what will happen to those guys.... im going crazy here cmon guys help me please i dont want to be demented.........hmm where can i download the manga !? i will see if the manga holds the key for my cravings ^_^
sasuke13
2006-08-02, 18:55
I want to see a 2nd season as well. After all. The writers have to back up Kyon and Nagato's conversations on other humanoid interfaces that might attack Kyon.
(Hopefully if they have a 2nd season, they'll have it in chrono order. The last episode and episode 9 should've been combined in a way -_-*
lukewarmavenger
2006-08-06, 10:04
Probably the worst thing about this anime is its shortness. I want more! And it seems like everyone else does too.
Also, is anyone weirdly obsessed with the ending credits? I don't even like it that much but I have probably watched it about 30 times.
One more thing- MHS (SHY) is awesome because it showed a flashback to something that hadn't happened yet.
I'm very oddly obsessed with the ending credits. I've even tried to do the dance (with the help of sos-dan.com). I mean, who hasn't tried to do the dance? xD
I loved this series. It's the best I've seen in a while. The characters are all so lovable. Every last one! And the story is so.. unique, I dunno! I haven't seen anything quite like it. I loved Kyon's narration. His sarcasm is always entertaining.
sasuke13
2006-08-06, 17:19
I'm very oddly obsessed with the ending credits. I've even tried to do the dance (with the help of sos-dan.com). I mean, who hasn't tried to do the dance? xD
I loved this series. It's the best I've seen in a while. The characters are all so lovable. Every last one! And the story is so.. unique, I dunno! I haven't seen anything quite like it. I loved Kyon's narration. His sarcasm is always entertaining.
Speaking of which, is there an avi anywhere that has the group do the whole dance without the annoying credits blocking the way? Or is it only on the credits? :confused:
I think the textless ending has been released, but I don't know of any avi sources. YouTube probably has it posted though.
I was completely entranced by the series. It has been a while since I felt I enjoyed anime on such a level. A truly wonderful story all the way through. And even though the Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi has provided us with a lovely ending to make a very satisfying close, we can't help but wish for more.
Also, is anyone weirdly obsessed with the ending credits? I don't even like it that much but I have probably watched it about 30 times.
One more thing- MHS (SHY) is awesome because it showed a flashback to something that hadn't happened yet.
The ED was quite hypnotic. I've never missed it after each episode and couldn't stop replaying it even after I finished watching the series.
I mean, who hasn't tried to do the dance? xD
Keyword "Haruhi ED" on Youtube and we find everyone doing the dance - Everyone! :D
yellowkaiq
2006-08-08, 20:34
Loved the series, but hated how the episodes came out. I would've liked it better if it had been in order, but rewatching it was no problem.
a hobbit
2006-08-08, 20:38
i actually liked how they didnt come out in chronological order, it kinda went well with this "abnormal" (aliens, time travelers, and espers oh my!) anime. Also by how the story went, the ending wouldn't have been as cool imo, as the chronological ending was not as climactic as the one put out =P.
all in all, i really enjoyed this and i do hope they come out with a second season just as good ^^
I also dig how it came out-of-order. Imo had it come out in order, many of the episodes, basically all after TMoSH VI, would have been considered filler episodes.
The baseball episode is a good example. Had it been shown in chronological order, it would be funny. With this order, it has a "it's funny, but wth happened?!?" vibe to it.
Animexcel
2006-08-08, 21:51
Speaking of which, is there an avi anywhere that has the group do the whole dance without the annoying credits blocking the way? Or is it only on the credits? :confused:
Yeah, the dance doesn't have the continuity when the credits w/background pics are in the gap. People just repeat the dance during that moment, unless they just stand there or make up some silly moves until the real moves at the end come up.
I really liked how they ordered the episodes (except maybe for cutting the closed circle island arc in two). Although the skipping around may cause some initial confusion, the key was keeping the central plot in order. Stretching that main story out over all the episodes actually created an overall sense of togetherness by series end. I have to comment that the foreshadowing was done very nicely. So many hints and tidbits can be picked up from episodes set later in the Haruhi timeline. I loved the way they pulled everything off so well.
I really liked how they ordered the episodes (except maybe for cutting the closed circle island arc in two). Although the skipping around may cause some initial confusion, the key was keeping the central plot in order. Stretching that main story out over all the episodes actually created an overall sense of togetherness by series end. I have to comment that the foreshadowing was done very nicely. So many hints and tidbits can be picked up from episodes set later in the Haruhi timeline. I loved the way they pulled everything off so well.
Always nice to hear from someone who can think and doesn't need to be led by the nose through a plotline a bit more complicated than "See Spot Run" :)
If you've watched the whole series now... go back and watch it in chronological timeline order (rather than series airings). Its posted in the Q&A section I think amongst other places.
If you've watched the whole series now... go back and watch it in chronological timeline order (rather than series airings). Its posted in the Q&A section I think amongst other places.
The central arc will no doubt be coherent. An excellent suggestion, especially for those who got entangled in the series earlier before all the episodes came out.
Not completely related, but I just wanted to point out that the way they did the previews with the Kyon-Haruhi timelines was really clever. At first, I was trying to figure out which episode Haruhi was referring to, and I actually didn't sort this out earlier because I kept trying to find the connection between the number she says in the previews with the number of the episode I just watched. Of course, she was referring to the next episode in the Kyon lineup. Okay, enough from me. I don't know why I like to talk about such trivial things lol
Watching the series in "timeline" order rather than "aired" order is mostly interesting to watch:
1) the relationships between people evolve.
2) watch Yuki mature from an observation tool to something more.
3) connect the dots between things like those ponytail references (his remark during the closed space catastrophe->Haruhi's playing with Mikuru's hair in the baseball game episode) (the mysterious connection between Mikuru and Kyon's sister)
Anyway.. this show could come with an entire supplement of analysis, cultural references, inside jokes, and footnotes.
Well, like I've said before somewhere, the details are all over in this show. Its just that they are not there to be noticed immediately. Common sense and observation skills coupled with the factor of time.
SnakeLegend told me that I'm starting to sound like Itsuki. I'm quite surprised to find myself sounding like him now, for he is my least favourite character. I guess its because we are both Haruhist who see Haruhi-sama as a god lol
^ Yes, a word of caution though, keep your hands off Kyon or Haruhi will get angry :p
I'll never touch Haruhi-sama, she's too holy for my hands, I dare not lol
Hmm.. a slight misunderstanding. I'll rephrase
C.A. (AKA Itsuki) ,keep you hands off Kyon OTHERWISE Haruhi will get angry :p
Kaioshin Sama
2006-08-09, 03:12
Always nice to hear from someone who can think and doesn't need to be led by the nose through a plotline a bit more complicated than "See Spot Run" :)
If you've watched the whole series now... go back and watch it in chronological timeline order (rather than series airings). Its posted in the Q&A section I think amongst other places.
I blame the "Hold My Hand" effect on the media, be it advertisement's, Network TV Shows or Really Bad Video Games deliberately trying to dumb us all down with there inane and constantly more and more simplified messages. The corporations and the government of the United States almost seem to have been dumbing down Americans for a long time and raising a new generation from birth as mindless consumers who can't think for themselves and need to be told what to do (or what to buy more likely). Its really sad because I feel that the generation after the one I'm in won't have as much independent thought as this one. That's my take on Vexx's post.
I'll never touch Haruhi-sama, she's too holy for my hands, I dare not lol
I would. She doesn't scare me and she's kind of cute when she's angry. Muhahahaha Chaotic Evil Alignment. Well there goes any chance of you ever adding me to your MSN user list.
Hmm.. a slight misunderstanding. I'll rephrase
C.A. (AKA Itsuki) ,keep you hands off Kyon OTHERWISE Haruhi will get angry :pOh lol, my senses must be mulfunctioning, I won't touch Kyon, I promise :D
I would. She doesn't scare me and she's kind of cute when she's angry. Muhahahaha Chaotic Evil Alignment. Well there goes any chance of you ever adding me to your MSN user list.Haruhi-sama is cute not only when she's angry, she's the embodiment of cuteness and moe. A gem of perfection with a glow that calls for adoration. I won't stop you from touching her, for Haruhi-sama is more than enough to take on any human.
I've already added you to my list last week, but you weren't around when I was on for like 5 minutes. I probably won't be around anytime soon lol
Shirobane
2006-08-09, 10:04
I blame the "Hold My Hand" effect on the media, be it advertisement's, Network TV Shows or Really Bad Video Games deliberately trying to dumb us all down with there inane and constantly more and more simplified messages. The corporations and the government of the United States almost seem to have been dumbing down Americans for a long time and raising a new generation from birth as mindless consumers who can't think for themselves and need to be told what to do (or what to buy more likely). Its really sad because I feel that the generation after the one I'm in won't have as much independent thought as this one. That's my take on Vexx's post.
I agree for the most part. Being able to interpret ideas intelligently is becoming a dying art form. However, I find that it's more of the industry catering to the lowest common denominator of society. The industry makes more money when everyone and their dog can understand a certain simple concept rather than something that requires people to put some brain power into. So rather than exclude the simple, corporations simply reduce complexity and include those that are too lazy to think.
It may sound slightly elitist, but I contribute the lowered media standards to the lazy and incompetent.
Regardless, it's pretty depressing when people "don't get it" if a linear story is presented in a non-linear fashion, in this case, how this series was presented.
Animexcel
2006-08-09, 21:03
Watching the series in "timeline" order rather than "aired" order is mostly interesting to watch:
1) the relationships between people evolve.
2) watch Yuki mature from an observation tool to something more.
3) connect the dots between things like those ponytail references (his remark during the closed space catastrophe->Haruhi's playing with Mikuru's hair in the baseball game episode) (the mysterious connection between Mikuru and Kyon's sister)
Anyway.. this show could come with an entire supplement of analysis, cultural references, inside jokes, and footnotes.
About Mikuru and Kyon's Sister similarties, people are thinking that Mikuru could be Kyon's Sister(nameless). Maybe it's possible that Kyon's Sister is the mother of Mikuru xD lol
FatPianoBoy
2006-08-09, 21:21
Maybe it's possible that Kyon's Sister is the mother of Mikuru xD lol
Descendant? Maybe. Mother? I don't think so. If that were the case, it's likely that Haruhi would still be around (although middle-aged), so what would be the point of sending her back in time to observe Haruhi if she was still there? Unless... something happened to her :upset:
SnakeLegend
2006-08-09, 22:11
Hmm.. a slight misunderstanding. I'll rephrase
C.A. (AKA Itsuki) ,keep you hands off Kyon OTHERWISE Haruhi will get angry :p
lol since when did the rumors of C.A. AKA Itsuki came along here? XD
lol since when did the rumors of C.A. AKA Itsuki came along here? XDOne way to find out is to read the three posts above npal's post.
Descendant? Maybe. Mother? I don't think so. If that were the case, it's likely that Haruhi would still be around (although middle-aged), so what would be the point of sending her back in time to observe Haruhi if she was still there? Unless... something happened to her Whether Mikuru is indeed a descendant, I do not know. But if she is, she's probably much later into the bloodline. She would be a great granddaughter or something, at least that's what I feel.
And there's tons of reasons why Mikuru must be sent back into this timeline, no matter what. One reason is that history required her to be there.
FatPianoBoy
2006-08-09, 23:41
One way to find out is to read the three posts above npal's post.
Whether Mikuru is indeed a descendant, I do not know. But if she is, she's probably much later into the bloodline. She would be a great granddaughter or something, at least that's what I feel.
Exactly what I was thinking.
And there's tons or reasons why Mikuru must be sent back into this timeline, no matter what. One reason is that Haruhi required her to be there.
Fixed ;)
Well, actually that's another reason lol,
There's tons of reasons why Mikuru must be sent back into this timeline, no matter what:
1. Haruhi required her to be there.
2. History required her to be there.
3. The future required her to be there.
4. Her job required her to be there.
And it could go on, Mikuru is essential for the future of humanity. The importance of her presence in the SOS-dan is as much as Yuki and Itsuki.
Mikuru IS the future of humanity :p At least Goddess Haruhi seems to like that path of evolution :p Moe, loli, big breasts :p Too bad this is the real world :p
Mikuru is the future of humanity, indeed, but if I were to rephrase yoru post:
Mikuru is a glimpse of the future :D
Hmmm, but.... if we follow the evolutionary path.... then it would seem that Yuki is the probably end state of evolution before ceasing to need material components for existence at all :)
Well, God can go above evolution, and since Haruhi is very, shall we say affectionate, towards Mikuru, we can safely assume that if she does get involved, everyone will evolve into her favorite toy :p Which of course is very nice for us males :D Haruhi is such a thoughtful goddess :bow:
Hmmm, but.... if we follow the evolutionary path.... then it would seem that Yuki is the probably end state of evolution before ceasing to need material components for existence at all :)Maybe I can say, Mikuru is the form for a near forseeable future. Then humans will start realising there's no need for material comfort and looks, no need for organic reproduction as they advance towards an evolutionary parth similar to the Data Entities. Kinda impossible though.
I prefer the Mikuru path of evolution :p Plus, humans will NEVER realise there's no need for material comfort, looks or organic reproduction. That's the basis of evolution :p
Well, I agreed that its kinda impossible.
I cannot imagine humans shaking off speech and body language. Until we have a better method of communication, humans won't be advancing anywhere fast.
I see my lame attempt at trolling failed to ruffle the Mikuru-ites :)
Ah, well ... I like the SOS trio (and Tsuruya, too). Diversity is good.
I see my lame attempt at trolling failed to ruffle the Mikuru-ites :)
Ah, well ... I like the SOS trio (and Tsuruya, too). Diversity is good.I'm not exactly supporting the evolution path to Mikuru lol
I just have no confidence in the human race, they would probably be wiped out before they have any chance to evolve in the direction of Data Entities.
CrowKenobi
2006-08-10, 11:11
All this talk about Mikuru and Imoto reminds me to ask: Because of Kyoani's character designs, is this connection only in the anime? I don't think that Noizi Ito's original drawings even hinted at something simliar. :D
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-10, 19:50
The novel mention no such connection, its just lolipedofins & okimune lovers cross crossing fantasies.
:D
PastPrime
2006-08-11, 00:05
The novel mention no such connection, its just lolipedofins & okimune lovers cross crossing fantasies.
:D
I would say that this dialog between Kyon and Mikuro from "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" pretty much rules out her being Kyon's sister.
"I'm sorry. I......well......um......I'm not sure......I'm like......the end interface......no, the bottom......no, I'm just like a trainee......"
"Yet you're by Haruhi's side."
"That's because, I never thought I would be caught by Suzumiya-san to join the club."
If she were Kyon's sister then she would have to know that she would end up in the club.
SnakeLegend
2006-08-11, 01:40
i'd bet she's missing alot of current mission briefings -_-;
I would say that this dialog between Kyon and Mikuro from "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" pretty much rules out her being Kyon's sister.
"I'm sorry. I......well......um......I'm not sure......I'm like......the end interface......no, the bottom......no, I'm just like a trainee......"
"Yet you're by Haruhi's side."
"That's because, I never thought I would be caught by Suzumiya-san to join the club."
If she were Kyon's sister then she would have to know that she would end up in the club.Hmmm there's much more clearer and simpler ways to prove that Mikuru isn't Kyon's sister, but your quote here isn't one of them:heh:
But in the first place, almost nobody ever thought of Mikuru as Kyon's sister. Most if not all were thinking she's a descendant of his sister, which I also doubt."I'm sorry. I......well......um......I'm not sure......I'm like......the end interface......no, the bottom......no, I'm just like a trainee......"
"Yet you're by Haruhi's side."
"That's because, I never thought I would be caught by Suzumiya-san to join the club." This quote is telling us that why would the lowest ranking of all time travellers be sent to investigate Haruhi in such a close proximity, why not a veteran for such a dangerous target? Mikuru tells Kyon its not that she's being sent to investigate on Haruhi so intimately, but she was literally 'summoned' by Haruhi.
Then this asks another question, why in the first place would the time travellers send a helpless trainee back into the past? The answer is simple: History required her to be there. Meaning she is part of the past, she has influenced too many things in the past and thus has become an important part of the past for the future to happen. Like we were saying several posts above, Mikuru is the future of humanity, she is that important.
And Kyon's sister could never have made it into the SOS-dan even if she wanted to. Kyon is 16, Imouto is 10, Kyon would have been in 2nd year or even 3rd year university before Imouto even gets into High School.
PastPrime
2006-08-11, 10:10
But in the first place, almost nobody ever thought of Mikuru as Kyon's sister. Most if not all were thinking she's a descendant of his sister, which I also doubt.Depending on how far in the future she is from, it is possible that she is a decendant of everyone in SOS Dan except herself. I have wondered, given her initial reaction, if she might be Yuki's decendant, with Yuki possibly still being around in her time. The great great, ect. grandmother that she was always scared of.And Kyon's sister could never have made it into the SOS-dan even if she wanted to. Kyon is 16, Imouto is 10, Kyon would have been in 2nd year or even 3rd year university before Imouto even gets into High School.I think that they assume that she traveled back in time, but I think that Mikuru is from the far future. After all, when she gave Kyon the hint she acted as if she hadn't seen him in a long time. If she had been from a few years in the future she would still see him. I don't think that they would ever send people back to a time where they would interact with themsellves. Mikuru big even caused Mikuru little to go to sleep so she wouldn't see her.
SnakeLegend
2006-08-12, 03:49
so as to prevent collision from time planes. and so on.
wow those theories on time travelling and time planes distortion and re-editing and reformating is making me nuts ><
Kaioshin Sama
2006-08-16, 12:59
http://www.animesecrets.org/anime/Haruhi/Haruhi.html
Here we go, these two reviews put my views on the Series (as opposed to the novels) into perspective for everybody, better than I could personally. The guy on the top Kuzu Ryu Sen I know in person. Though the bottom reviewer Loner's last paragraph pretty well sums up everything I feel about this series quite almost too perfectly.
http://www.animesecrets.org/anime/Haruhi/Haruhi.html
Here we go, these two reviews put my views on the Series (as opposed to the novels) into perspective for everybody, better than I could personally. The guy on the top Kuzu Ryu Sen I know in person. Though the bottom reviewer Loner's last paragraph pretty well sums up everything I feel about this series quite almost too perfectly.
Well ... to critique the critiques .... Kuzu's report sounds like he was watching the show with one eye while playing Counterstrike with the other. There's a lot of blanket assertions without anything to back them up. In fact, some of the few examples he does provide simply emphasize my feeling he wasn't really paying attention. It may also be that he finds works like "12 Monkeys" and "The 39 Steps" .... or stuff by Douglas Adams, Hitchcock, and Vonnegut to be similarly undesirable. He'd better stay away from Fellini ... :)
The second report by Loner made a bit more sense but "gimmicky" can be used to shred everything from Beowulf to Shakespeare in the way he is using it. He seems to have focused on the fluff rather than the central plot. He does note the animation can't be beat. I watched "The Seven Samurai (kurosawa)" and "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" last night .... they were pretty gimmicky :rolleyes:
I find the difficulty they both had with the timeline approach kind of sad ... its a technique that has been used by a few authors to great effect (along with point-of-view fractured stories that drop you into it via first person). Faulkner, Vonnegut ... Hitchcock was very fond of similar disorienting techniques. Memory is a non-linear mess of nodes ... and this story is from Kyon's POV and recollection - who has had his world turned upside down.
In the end, I suppose both are simply opinions (as is mine) -- but as they say, anyone on the Internet can have an opinion. Well supported opinions get more weight. This has me thinking I should do my own negative review of Suzumiya ... it *does* have some problems and some of the storytelling techniques are not for everyone ... but from a "speech & debate" viewpoint I'm just not seeing the negative case made well.
Probably the best slam against the series is that it is a pale shadow of the novels (which also don't contain peripheral injoke fad references that the anime added).
popspops
2006-08-24, 16:35
Ok now...lets face it,nobody here said anything accurate about Haruhi.
NOW,since I'm not even sure whether I understood the whole plot I'd like you all to explain clearly what happens,since nobody in the whole board summed it up.
Then,after giving your personal opinion,I'd like you to EXPLAIN what gives you that particular opinion...I think that's enough for more to come,right?
I'm not sure KyoAni *intended* there to be a pat explanation or "here's the plot in five lines" summary for the series (just like the novels tell the story from Kyon's Point Of View ... its not the universal point of view... only Kyon's).
It really depends on which level you want to examine the show from and which factional view within the show you tend to be most comfortable with. The series is like a multi-faceted jewel -- different people tend to focus on different facets. I tend to focus on the science fiction and physics aspects, the directing techniques, animation, and the acting.
Many posters on the board have done pretty good jobs explaining pieces of the show and various facets (the Ontological Thread has some very good posts). So the sweeping condemnation of the entire board having said nothing accurate about Haruhi is a bit hard to defend itself.
Ok now...lets face it,nobody here said anything accurate about Haruhi.
NOW,since I'm not even sure whether I understood the whole plot I'd like you all to explain clearly what happens,since nobody in the whole board summed it up.
Then,after giving your personal opinion,I'd like you to EXPLAIN what gives you that particular opinion...I think that's enough for more to come,right?You cannot understand the story by just reading summaries, you must actually be part of the discussions we had throughout the 14 weeks when the show aired.
The entire anime is summarised, partially, in the 14 episode discussion threads. To understand the story even more, you must read the novels.
To summarise the story, even the anime alone would be too much for a single thread, let alone a single post. The only way to get a deeper understanding of the story is to read all 14 discussion threads, the general thread and all sticky threads.
Actually, I think Haruhi was the best comedy series I've seen in some time. I was glad to not see it had to depend too much on typical situation humour or exaggerated expressions, and Kyon's narration made it seem as though the show was making fun of even itself, which was great. There weren't any "punchlines" as far as I was aware and the excellent and fast-paced animation contributed to its amusement. The nonchronological sequence of episodes threw me off at first though, and before I saw the series I almost considered watching it in proper order, though I'm glad to not have gone through with that (since watching episode 9 last wouldn't exactly be satisfying). Anyway, I enjoyed it overall, and it had some memorable characters and events. I do wish it were a bit longer though, but oh well.
It just feels like i miss Suzumiya, everytime i hear the songs that she sang at the cultural festival, God Knows... and Lost my music, i feel a twinge in my heart and i just miss her lol. It's weird. This anime didn't feel particularly good to me but i feel like i really got attached to her. She's just so cute!
SnakeLegend
2006-09-01, 10:21
i'm spreading Haruhiism to my friends. 2 more joined so far. more to come <3
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-09-07, 06:43
i just started watching this series about 5 days ago.....i'm already on ep.6 and its pretty good so far.....kinda confusing since there is two ways to watch the series...but i'm enjoying it so far.
but i heard the manga goes farther than the anime....anyone think there will be a 2nd season??
and i can't believe the reaction that this series has made....its pretty big in japan, especially with the soundtracks and music CDs....there could be a high chance it could get licensed and come over to the US....
but overall, good anime show!
It's not a manga in its original form, it's a series of novels, and yes it goes beyond the anime, and there's hope that they will make a second season at some point, after Kanon remake.
Let's not rush the U.S. licensing, we want to have a good and faithful distributor after all ^^
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-09-07, 19:07
It's not a manga in its original form, it's a series of novels, and yes it goes beyond the anime, and there's hope that they will make a second season at some point, after Kanon remake.
oh, a series of novels....kinda like FMP.....
so i guess there is hope for a second season!
Hmmm this is the Final Thoughts thread, so I guess my final words before I leave for the army would suit here. Every male Singaporean has to join the army once they're above 18 years old.
Long passage ahead:I was someone who found life really boring and not going the way I want it to be, I'm probably one of those people who added to the statistics. The Happy Planet Index, to be exact, which Singapore ranks as one of the least happy countries in Asia. I found Singaporean schools extremely boring and higher education didn't fufil what I seek. I've never heard of any Singaporean every becoming an expert in NASA, it was my greatest dream to be part of space exploration. I also had interest in Wildlife conservation, but I don't know how these schools in Singapore can make me one. Then there's animation, anime, art, sketching, something Singapore isn't known for. Singaporean education aims to produce a working force for service, something I'm not interested at all.
I thought it was the greatest mistake in my life to be born in Singapore.
I studied 1.3 years in Aerospace Electronics, relatives were proud that I could enter such a course. But I was extremely bored, everyday of my life was repetitive and pointless, I never had interest in electronics in all my life. So I dropped myself out of the course after convincing my parents that this wasn't what I want.
After I stopped my school and applied for the army enlistment, I found myself becoming an otaku at home. This is when I found Haruhi, it brought my life back on track.
Recently I found the word resonate, a very beautiful word.
I realised that the story of Suzumiya Haruhi is my resonant frequency, I found myself in the entire story. Every single aspect of the story, the science fiction, the philosophy, the psychology, everything reaches me deep inside, it was like the story was written for me.
The simplicity of the story makes it so complex, and because of that, its frequency is so high, not everyone can hear it, its almost ultrasound. Every little detail, every little aspect and event that happens, work like intricate clockwork of a watch, only the those with the sharpest eyes can comprehend.
But I got it immediately, I just happen to tune to that frequency, placed my ears close to the radio and recieved the message.
How did Haruhi change me?
She taught me that if I have to get what I want, I have to work for it, I have to chase after it. She has been lamenting over the boredom of this planet, but when she finally found that if there's nothing you want, you have to create it yourself. Chances don't just appear, you must create your own chances. And when the chance you're summoning finally comes, you must grab it.
I worship Haruhi for the exact reasons, she brought colour to my life.
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Here's another passage about how I view Haruhiism:Haruhiism is not a fan made name and certainly not the name for Haruhi fanboyism.
If Haruhiism itself didn't exist, there wouldn't be Haruhists. Haruhiism is created by kyoani, if they didn't place it in there, in the anime, no one would call themselves Haruhists.
Haruhists are people who understand the story, simple as that.
And how does one know he's a Haruhist? When someone else acknowledges him as one. But then, how do you know this person knows what he is acknowledging?
Acknowledging Haruhists is a mutual event. Both parties will realise it immediately, its a strong apprehension force.
The original hype from the 1st and 2nd week of the show was created by the novel readers, but it was a healthy form of hype. Then, of course there were also those who were in awe after watching episode 1.
Then those people who never read the novels but watched the anime and began reading the novels after it. This group includes me, who read the novels while watching the show every week.
These people who read the novels and watched the anime are those who originally created the hype, because the anime presented the novels in such a brilliant way. In the anime, there were so many subtle details, tiny events that seemed insignificant but actually greatly affects the plot and those that are very far into the novels. Depth that people who never read the novels can never understand.
And also these people are actually who I consider Haruhists. Haruhists are not fanboys or fans, there are people who read the novels but critised the anime for not being able to fully bring out contents of the novels, these people are also Haruhists. In short a Haruhist is a person who understands the story.
People always think a Haruhist is 'special' name for a fanboy, but no, they are separate things. You can be a Haruhist and a fanboy, or a fanatic.
The unhealthy hype came later when more people started watched the show, these people became real fanboys rather than Haruhists. They didn't understand the show, they didn't bother to read the novels, but still liked it and started spreading and overrating the show for reasons they themselves are not sure.
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You can see I'm a Haruhist(I'm sure I am, for you people have confirmed I'm one :p), but at the same time I'm a fanatic, which people can also clearly see.
I'm a Haruhiism fanatic and a Haruhi fanatic. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/littlemanheaven/harucon.gif<- thank arias for this Haruhi winking smiley, check my avatar for it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/littlemanheaven/harucon.gifWell I don't have much left to say, I can't think of what else to say actually, its 4am+. I will return tomorrow for 1 hour before I leave for the army, I will check what kind of goodbyes and good riddances I get :p
My time on AS forums is short, but I made quite a good amount of acquaintance and as much hate lol
I won't be gone, for I can return home once every week, where I'll spend the entire day on the internet and anime. Then I will also check the forum with my phone :D
This post is my 734th post in the Haruhi subforum, I'm still the top poster of this subforum http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/littlemanheaven/harucon.gif
(Not sure how many errors I made in such a big post)
EDIT: Oh and do visit my Gallery of Haruhiism thread on HF forums, there's some oldies that some of you probably forgot :p:
http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51334
Good luck to you in your service ... and hopefully you can sidestep any wayward policies your government might lob at you :)
panzerfan
2006-09-08, 17:04
well...
I am still trying to grasp how deep the rabbit hole goes regarding Haruhi. For me, Kyon resonates the most. He speaks to me, a former ronin flunked from collage after going in straight out of high school like no other and Haruhi as the foil at least gives much the same feelings I got as what C.A describes (I am lucky to be brought up in an encouraging educational system though). Hell right now I am still coping how that I have no talant in programming but does better in IT admin.
I enjoy Suzumiya Haurhi the anime series and the novel even moreso. All in all I agree with C.A's stance. Just as I reflected before, escape from boredom has to be something that you do... and believe me, every flunkee goes through that stage. :)
Thanks for all your input C.A. May you survive the consription.
Thanks I will, for I am bringing the novels with me. Just looking forward to the novels at the end of each day will bring me through lol
One thing I wanted to say but forgot: I wished 1st September didn't come for me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/littlemanheaven/harucon.gif
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-09-08, 22:27
weird question, but seeing everyone has a last name, what is Kyon's last name??
Potatochobit
2006-09-08, 22:37
no one knows his real name.
Kyon isn't even his real first name.
EDIT: Does anyone else consider this the major mystery of MoSH? What exactly is Kyon's real name? :)
Well, next to: how did his little sister fit in a carry on bag?
Deathkillz
2006-09-08, 23:20
well im sure the imoto fitting in the bag is more of a mystery...i mean you dnt come across a loli in a bag everyday :D
CrowKenobi
2006-09-08, 23:22
Kyon isn't even his real first name.
EDIT: Does anyone else consider this the major mystery of MoSH? What exactly is Kyon's real name? :)
Well, next to: how did his little sister fit in a carry on bag?I would like to think that Imouto's real name would come before how she fit in a carry on bag... :D
:cool:
Bah, everyone has a first name - how many people do you honestly know that would fit in a carry-on bag? My eight year old son couldn't do it! :D
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-09-09, 20:24
well i just finished watching every episode last night and i gotta say, this is one of the best animes i've watched this year....second being FMP: second raid.....but this show still confuses me, especially with the two ways you could watch this show.....so i guess i'm gonna watch it all again a second time....
but everyone can relate to this show, especially with people who are always bored and stuff....and as some people in this thread already said, everyone should take advantage of certain events or chances that come their way in their lives...just as Haruhi did, especially in ep.12....that was a good episode:)
i guess its another reason why they should somewat create a season 2....i dunno, part of me wants a season two, but the other part doesn't, i guess cuz i'm still confused with all the happenings in the show....and its weird as how Kyon isn't his real name, its just a nickname given to him by his aunt??!!@_@
and its great on how like in the last episode, Kyon had to use the hints that mostly Yuki and Mikuru gave him throughout the episode, to get out of that closed space...kool stuff
animation was one of the best i've seen also...very smooth and clean...
overall, great anime, recommend people to watch it, but the first episode seems to somewat, bore anyone who doesn't have a clue with this series.....when i first watched it i was like "what is this crap??", but everything soon became interesting when i watched the second episode and when i found out that there is two ways of watching this series, one by Kyon's way and one by Haruhi's way!
10/10 for The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya!!!
hopefully second season comes soon, if it does come.....
but what confuses me is this:
the reason why Haruhi is considered the reason of an incident 3 years ago and involves the Espers(Koizumi), time travelers(Asahina), and artificial intelligence(Yuki), especially in ep.13, where Koizumi explains everything to Kyon about all these happenings and stuff. And especially with the 14th episode, on how Koizumi tells Kyon that the reason why they were in the closed space at school was because Haruhi wanted to change the world again....that was a pretty tight situation right there....since it happend while they were sleeping, it also reminds me that when people dream, is it somewat similar to closed space??
since it is a new world created by the dreamer, all the characters and personalities are made up by the dreamer itself and when the person wakes up, the "closed space" or dream disappears....and the results of the dream can sometimes take place in real life as "deja vu??"
physics223
2006-09-19, 05:12
It took me more than two months and an anal amount of patience despite being constantly and consistently frustrated with Haruhiists and Haruhi Suzumiya, and now that I've finished it, I'd say it was quite good ... I realized that there was a lot of implied romance in the later episodes (which I truly love, since I'm a sucker for them), and that kiss was simply masterful and revealing - Kyon has definitely a veritable harem in his midst (yes, even Itsuki is hot for him). Haha.
but what confuses me is this:
the reason why Haruhi is considered the reason of an incident 3 years ago and involves the Espers(Koizumi), time travelers(Asahina), and artificial intelligence(Yuki), especially in ep.13, where Koizumi explains everything to Kyon about all these happenings and stuff. And especially with the 14th episode, on how Koizumi tells Kyon that the reason why they were in the closed space at school was because Haruhi wanted to change the world again....that was a pretty tight situation right there....since it happend while they were sleeping, it also reminds me that when people dream, is it somewat similar to closed space??
since it is a new world created by the dreamer, all the characters and personalities are made up by the dreamer itself and when the person wakes up, the "closed space" or dream disappears....and the results of the dream can sometimes take place in real life as "deja vu??"Well, one very common mistake that people always get is deeply believing Itsuki's words.
Is Haruhi really a god?
Did Haruhi really created/recreated the world?
Is the world a dream of Haruhi?
Personally, I think Itsuki's theory is wrong, even he himself has doubts about the theory.
The point of listening to the theories of the 3 representives of the 3 groups, Yuki, Mikuru and Itsuki, is to give us an idea of what Haruhi may be and even more questions of she really is.
I'm not really sure why does Itsuki's theory leaves such an impression on people, maybe because Yuki and Mikuru's theories are too complicated for most.
In fact Yuki and Mikuru's theory are much more credible and accurate than Itsuki's.
Caused a data explosion? Totally true, if you've read the novels you should know. Though being a key for auto-evolution may be debatable. But given Haruhi's capabilities, if she grants the data entities the ability to auto-evolve, they should be able to do it.
The origin of a time warp, time quake? Did she really caused such an event? Well, if Mikuru didn't lie, it should be true. Haruhi is an anomaly, a variant, someone who's existance is an error, a disturbance to space-time? Could be yes or no. But as long as adult Mikuru is there, it means that the future is fixed, meaning the future is an outcome that will eventually happen despite Haruhi's effects. Past affects future, but in this case the future can affect the past as well.
We aren't supposed to believe in just Itsuki's theory, believe in one and you should believe in all three, but all three could also be wrong. Meaning we should be sceptical and Haruhi still remains as a mystery. But if we were to rank the credibility of the theories, 1 - Yuki, 2 - Mikuru, 3 - Itsuki.
As far as the Data Entities go, Haruhi didn't create this world in a dream.
And though Haruhi has the powers of a god, she isn't really a god. If she's a god, the data entities could be considered gods as well. Haruhi is just another being that came into existance in this universe.
CrowKenobi
2006-09-23, 13:43
But, is it only what Kyon believes that really counts?
But, is it only what Kyon believes that really counts?You can say that, for whatever he wants to believe is what we should believe. He also strongly expresses his thoughts on what we shouldn't believe lol
He doesn't believe Haruhi is a key for auto-evolution, time warp or a god, we have no reason to believe as well. He believes Haruhi is just another individual, we have no reason not to believe.
Until facts that are proven, accepted by Kyon and told to us, everything else could be wrong. Kyon's beliefs are accurate to a certain degree, unless he mistunderstood something, but it would probably be times where we would be supplied facts that he couldn't or didn't want to understand.
Oh and I just came back from 2 weeks of army life, and is having 48 hours of civilian life now. I'm returning in 15 - 17 hours.
From now on I should return every weekend, provided I don't get guard duty or something.
I'm in H company. Though the H stands for Hawk, I personally see it as a sign from Haruhi-sama lol, its more than coincidence to get into H, its the power of my faith for Haruhi-sama ;)
Oh and I just came back from 2 weeks of army life, and is having 48 hours of civilian life now. I'm returning in 15 - 17 hours.
From now on I should return every weekend, provided I don't get guard duty or something.
I'm in H company. Though the H stands for Hawk, I personally see it as a sign from Haruhi-sama lol, its more than coincidence to get into H, its the power of my faith for Haruhi-sama ;)
Very gay :heh:
I thought BMT was longer than that, but I'm guessing I know why.
Anyway, it's good that you're back :D
Hmm....Final thoughts.....umm....if you recall, I posted earlier that i was on episode 6 and still didn't feel any "click" with the series. I still feel that I didn't enjoy those earlier episodes that much, even though I liked the characters. For some reason now that I've finished episode 14 I suddenly feel like it was a great anime, even though for half of it I wasn't really interested. Yet I still feel like saying I liked it. I don't know what to call this, but it's certainly a unique reaction......
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-09-26, 00:27
Well, one very common mistake that people always get is deeply believing Itsuki's words.
Is Haruhi really a god?
Did Haruhi really created/recreated the world?
Is the world a dream of Haruhi?
Personally, I think Itsuki's theory is wrong, even he himself has doubts about the theory.
The point of listening to the theories of the 3 representives of the 3 groups, Yuki, Mikuru and Itsuki, is to give us an idea of what Haruhi may be and even more questions of she really is.
I'm not really sure why does Itsuki's theory leaves such an impression on people, maybe because Yuki and Mikuru's theories are too complicated for most.
In fact Yuki and Mikuru's theory are much more credible and accurate than Itsuki's.
Caused a data explosion? Totally true, if you've read the novels you should know. Though being a key for auto-evolution may be debatable. But given Haruhi's capabilities, if she grants the data entities the ability to auto-evolve, they should be able to do it.
The origin of a time warp, time quake? Did she really caused such an event? Well, if Mikuru didn't lie, it should be true. Haruhi is an anomaly, a variant, someone who's existance is an error, a disturbance to space-time? Could be yes or no. But as long as adult Mikuru is there, it means that the future is fixed, meaning the future is an outcome that will eventually happen despite Haruhi's effects. Past affects future, but in this case the future can affect the past as well.
We aren't supposed to believe in just Itsuki's theory, believe in one and you should believe in all three, but all three could also be wrong. Meaning we should be sceptical and Haruhi still remains as a mystery. But if we were to rank the credibility of the theories, 1 - Yuki, 2 - Mikuru, 3 - Itsuki.
As far as the Data Entities go, Haruhi didn't create this world in a dream.
And though Haruhi has the powers of a god, she isn't really a god. If she's a god, the data entities could be considered gods as well. Haruhi is just another being that came into existance in this universe.
ok, thanks for helping me clear up my confusion....and yea, it seems that everyone believes in Itsuki's theory on Haruhi....and yes, i do find Yuki's and Mikuru's theories to be a bit complicated to understand....especially with Mikuru's theory, since it involves time travel and stuff......confusing things happen when history is changed....but i hope Kyotoanimation makes a sequel to this series, as i have heard that the 8 volume novels are stories way beyond the anime....and i'm still trying to find the novels myself around the japanese bookstores in Hawaii.....heh, very frustrating to find.....but one thing that is ineresting though, i want to find out what happens in the future.....the future that the adult Mikuru lives in.....I wonder what happens to all those theories and see if they aren't even seem what they thought it would be....
I'm in H company. Though the H stands for Hawk, I personally see it as a sign from Haruhi-sama lol, its more than coincidence to get into H, its the power of my faith for Haruhi-sama ;)
:heh: Seriously... :p Welcome back.
HAHAHAHA SHT IM JEALOUS OF U IM FROM "N" (Ninja) company HAHAHAHA... GOD WAD A STATEMENT! IT WUD MAKE SINGAPOREAN HARUHIISTS BE PROUD TO BE IN HAWK! U are lucky to have caught this juz b4 your BMT! haha....
ok enough craziness. I passed out of Singaporean BMT a hell long time ago. I'm a Military Policeman now.
Anyway, my SHnY story (I finished episode 14 yesterday):
Life's a bitch in the army, and I saw SHnY get subbed by a.f.k. back when I was a MP trainee. Didn't have much time for anything, so I stuck on to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni only. The title didn't sound very nice either, sounded quite depressing, and I was already depressed enough what with carrying sandbags and anti-vehicle constertina wires around.
After my trainee phase I started to have more time so I started to hit batch torrents. SHnY was one of them, but I left it hanging around in my comp for a damn long time. That was until I realised there were TOO many posts abt Suzumiya Haruhi on anime blogs to ignore it.
I watched the 1st episode... and was disgusted by it. Like WTH. I managed to the part JUST B4 Haruhi ended the show (damn u fate, shud have let me watch abit longer, then i wud have saw the ED). So I threw it aside for perhaps a week b4 I decided to give the 2nd episode a try, since my friend said the episodes were not really in chronological order. And I always honour my "2 episode rule" when it comes to watching anime b4 totally abandoning any.
I was awed by the OP. And im one of those Singpaorean anime watchers that honour the OPs and EDs of anime I watch, not like those ppl hu rush thru series (chiongsters, Singaporean slang) and skip the OP to get into the anime proper. It was the 1st time I ever watched ANY animation that had 2D EYE CANDY. And mind u I watched it in september, muz have been some huge breakthrough when it was released.
I found it quite an average anime right until episode 5 when Mikuru had that talk with Kyon. Then I realised it was an anime that condensed the topics of physics, mathematics and philosophy into a high school setting. I was FURTHER awed and felt the author is a genius!
Past that point I couldnt stop myself from watching, and slept arnd 2.30am even tho I had to wake up at 5.45am to do my duties. But im still fine now XD And actually I DIDNt feel as tired as I should have... I was thinking abt SHnY the whole time. It was nuts, I felt bright awake just thinking abt it. That's the feeling u get right after watching an excellent series I guess.
So here I am as a devoted Haruhiist, and made my sis think I was partially mad when I made my Personal Declaration to her yest morning (she also finished SHnY, has more time than me anyway). Well I do know it is not really a serious religion, but I have been a free thinker all my life and been through 3 methodist schools, and finally something has converted me ^_^''
I have already read through the trivia wiki and alot of stuff.. now I'm doing the novels. Haruhi deserves to be called a god in her own right. That's how we mere humans wud best be able to grasp the concept of Haruhi Suzumiya, and we shud just do that. This is why Itsuki describes her as a God, because he is fully "current" human, compared to the alien and the "future" human.
Yes it is a life changing anime, and I'm gona overload the world with happiness by doing more than I usually do to reccomand anime to ppl ^^
SnakeLegend
2006-10-02, 04:05
http://www.sos-dan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=599
i had my theories of Kyon there...
i'll copy paste anyway.
^ No thats true. Otherwise Kyon won't be writting this book himself. XD but this story overall is what Kyon have seen and experienced... so he wrote them or said it as a story?
ok here's one other side of the theory for Kyon's name:
i've seen Kyou Kara Maou a few times and found out that one of the people is being named as Guenter-Kyon. or sound alike to it. in jap, 兄 is also like, Brother or somewhat brother, so maybe his aunt call him that.
in my own house, i'm being addressed as lil' brother by my parents too. i guess thats how things worked there as well.
C.A.: Welcome back, for the moment. Hope you enjoy the P.T. there :3
er as for Kyon's theory, if its not clear or anything, feel free to talk about it. i think. Singaporeans are WELCOME (crack knuckles) to call me.
A wonderful, deep, intelligent, hilarious show. Since I said it might become my top anime ever, I've realized that there's no such thing. But it is definitely in the top few, for me, with things like Honey & Clover, KareKano, Uta-Kata, Beck, Planetes, Simoun, Haibane Renmei, YKK and others. But SHnY is excellent in more ways than any other show I know: humor, animation, story, relationships, personalities, voice acting, songs. I was totally hooked from the first couple of minutes of the first episode and only the island episodes left me a little indifferent. In any case, it did not drop off, but rose to a peak in the "final" episode.
It's striking to me that people who like shows I don't like (School Rumble, Yakitate, others) agree on this show and on Honey & Clover. The subtleties of personalities and relationships are important in both. That's not to say I didn't also love the fanservice: Mikuru-chan, Haruhi, even Yuki, and not to forget imouto-in-a-bag.
I know that the first ep put some people off, but I don't really understand that. Of course, I myself thought the animation there was great, not junk, and that the "bad" video was exquisitely choreographed. I didn't even notice that they'd put a screen over it. So someone more sensitive to animation might easily see things differently. I personally think that the show is so unique that anyone who expected what is "normal" -- in look or in episode order -- was probably unable to see the true greatness of what was happening, at least for a while.
But as soon as we got to episode two, it was clear that the animation level here was at the very top of TV anime. Really, though, it was the absurd humor that just grabbed me where I laugh and I was gone.
One thing about the discussions, here and elsewhere, really pissed me off: people complaining about the episode order. It was like they were demanding that this show become more ordinary. Can you see now that there was a reason for everything, and that it worked? This show is art, not Saturday morning cartoons.
And one thing grew and grew on me: Hirano Aya as Haruhi. The way she managed the tonalities in her voice to create subtle feelings was just amazing. I really want to see her in more such serious roles. And the new interview on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vc7bjCojo) just sealed the deal. Let's see: three top ten songs in the past three months, raves for her performance as Haruhi, and a student at a prestigious university at the same time. Like raphael said, it's depressing (lol).
I happen to think the episode order is a valid complaint. They rearranged the order to force the kiss episode to be the climax of the series because the rest of the series just wasn't up to par. It was a nice little technique to prevent the baseball episode from being completely boring.
I am more upset about the large amount of insults (I am not claiming that Kaoru Chujo) hurled toward people who complain about it. It isn't groundbreaking for anime or any series to show things in a non-linear manner to draw a larger emotional impact. eg. Usual Suspects, the Grudge.
Overall, Haruhi has excellent animation and some really good writing. It is probably among the top series I have seen recently (I would have to put Honey & Clover higher up). It isn't flawless though. Character development is minimal and certain plot elements are used fairly often in such a short series. eg. Haruhi smiles and announces a silly plan, somehow Mikuru will get sexually assaulted by Haruhi or some random male teen, Kyon will act digusted but go along anyway, rinse, repeat. I would agree with the entire first sentence of the KC's post.
Although this was great series, I do not want a second season. 1) The novelty factor may very well wear off.
2) Kaleido Star ~New Wings has for the most part has been disappointing. 3) Haruhi is getting a lot of credit for being original and unique. It only seems fitting that Kyoto Animation work on something other than a sequel or a remake (though I will have to admit I am enjoying Kanon).
Off topic-
Btw, the va for Yuuichi also did Kyon, Rin and Mayama. Seeing as how Mayama wasn't quite as apathetic as the other characters, I would think Ryon would be more appropiate if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a big fan of modified names such as (but not limited too) - Bakayuki, Bennifer, Tomkat, Kyuuichi, etc.
Done ranting. Usually, I try to be more concise but there was a lot I had to get off my chest.
U DO NOT WANT A 2ND SEASON?
If u have tried reading the 4th volume of the light novel.. u can see that there is more than enough stuff to make the 2nd season something like 2 or 3 times better than the first.
If there is a second season:
1. Completely different plot.
2. We get a OPPOSITE terribly moe-fied Nagato Yuki. I think many ppl wud want that.
3. We get Haruhi in long hair. LONG HAIR!!!!! And in a different uniform to boot!
4. We get a different Koizumi as well.
I hope that didnt spoilerify anybody. I'm betting u its costing alot to get the rights to animate The Dissapearance of Suzumiya Haruhi.
Okay... please stop. That is silly fanboy shouting. We don't need that. It is also okay to use sentences and words properly as this isn't phone-texting or instant messaging, eh?
I'd like a second season, too, assuming that they are able to come up with a good story. Rinse and repeat would not be a good story... there is a lot of good material in the novels that could be used to actually *advance* the relationships and story.
U DO NOT WANT A 2ND SEASON?
If u have tried reading the 4th volume of the light novel..
I have not read the fourth volume. If there the MoSH novels are available in English print, I'll definitely consider buying it, but my Japanese insufficient for reading the Japanese novels.
Please stop using all caps.
Haruhi getting long hair doesn't really do it for me. It would be sort of interesting to see more of Yuki, since she had the most character development in the show. More "moefied" actually sounds more scary than enticing. I wouldn't like to see her turn into Mikuru.
I'd write more but Vexx's signature is sort of hypnotic. Shouldn't it Kaori instead of Osaka though?
I cant read jap either.. and my chinese is subpar, altho i did buy the chinese versions of the light novel to support this series. And im spreading the novels arnd to cultivate Haruhiism, since majority of Singaporeans are chinese, including me.
A bunch of Haruhiists are translating the novel, much more info over at the Novel Translations thread.
You can read the The Dissapearance of Suzumiya Haruhi here:
http://project.baka-tsuki.net/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Volume4_Prologue
If u make it to the end of the 3rd chapter, u'll see there is plenty worth animating.
There are only 2 pictures in the light novel of her in long hair and they are drawn quite beautifully. There is also one moe-fied pic of Nagato and it isnt scary.
The Dissapearance of Suzumiya Haruhi is a significant change in title, since it is completely opposite from the 1st 3 novels, marking a depature from the melancholic titles of the 1st 3 novels. Namely The Melancholy of, The Sighs of, and the Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi. Novel 5 is the Rampage of Suzumiya Haruhi, and part of it was animated in the anime OP. It definitely did not show her melancholic.
Anyway to summarise, I maintain that a 2nd season will be much better than the first, and there is plenty of reason to look forward to it.
Well i just finished watching the season and i find my self starting to watch it again, but this time im going to watching it in the order Haruhi states them in after the credits.
I must admit, when i watched the first episode i was a little bit hesitant if i should just close my media player or keep watching. I kept watching and as i did i found that it was hilarous. So i decided to finish this episode and when i came to the second episode i thought to myself "whoa, this is a totally different", I couldnt get enough, i freaken loved it.
I must say this is definatly one of the most unique anime's i have ever seen, the story, characters, and the absurd order that stuff happend in, it didnt compair to any i have ever watched. The animation was excellent in every detail to. This is for sure going down in my top 5.
The story kind of confused me in the begging with all of this "data"/alien, time travel and esper stuff and how it all revolved around haruhi but i was able to pull it together a little ways into the anime. And then the kiss at the very end kind of seemed to happen fast to me. I like some romance in my anime, IMO it adds some excitment, but it seemed to me that they barely built it up(althought there were a few hints during the show). I was hoping they would at least show if they got together or not for sure, but they left it as an open ending, and now i want more!
So hopefully they will make a second season, and judging by some posts ive read there seems to be alot of material left in the later novels.
By the way anyone know where you can pick up an english copy of the novel? or if there even is one. My japanese class got cancelled because not enough people signed up so so much for that.
Also, is anyone weirdly obsessed with the ending credits? I don't even like it that much but I have probably watched it about 30 times.
ahaha i loved the credits, believe it or not the credits were one of my favorite parts of the show, i thought that dancing was a great/funny idea and the song is catchy to. The credits are a must watch everytime, i never get tired of 'em:D
Potatochobit
2006-10-28, 03:58
not just the ending credits but the opening is a masterpiece if you take time to appreciate it. the song bokuen desho is also one of my all time favorites.
the thing about suzumiya is that the whole show has so much depth to it. the first few times i watched it i was expecting just another common show and i was turned off by the complexity and creative attempt to produce a new work so i stopped watching it at first, but that was my mistake. it wasnt until i actually got into the story and kyon's character that i could see how much careful thought was put into the animation, voice acting and script. oh yeah, and im also in love with haruhi's voice; it is a pleasure i do not mind indulging in.
Bouken Desho Desho? used to be my number 1 favourite song from SHnY, but it has been taken over by God Knows recently. But before that, I did manage to listen to Bouken Desho Desho? for 3 hours straight during some driving holiday.. exhausted my iPod with juz 1 song XD
Also u shudnt rewatch SHnY in the Haruhi order, as it is quite nonsensical. More info over at the "In what order should The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi be watched?" thread. U shud instead watch it in chronological order, which can be uncovered on the trivia wiki page, which is definitely worth reading once completely thru:
http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/Template:Trivia
And I felt the OP, ED and insert song animations in ep 12 were somewhat a technological breakthrough by KyoAni if u watch carefully. It isnt easy to choreograph something so precisely in animation for the ED. The part where Haruhi ran through the corridor of stars in the OP was shock and awe for me the 1st time my eyes tasted it. And the emotions in the insert songs played out almost flawlessly, esp when She sang Lost My Music.
kemal_1915
2006-11-07, 11:49
Some critics about this show said that the plot and character were undeveloped and blah blah blah...something like that
but i want to ask how much development you are expected to have in a 14 episodes series?
I have seen so many anime which have none development in both plot and character in 14 episode.
Especially the very long series then how would you talk about them?
this 14 episodes are merely the introduction and beginning of "the saga of SOS dan". All thing will keep on coming!!
e.g.
what happen if Yuki accumulated junk data(aka emotion)? (in vol 4)
So you think Mikuru is a useless mascot? She also thinks so. How would she react to this? (in vol 6,7)
Where are the evil organizations?(both school setting and sci-fi setting) what will they do to haruhi? (in vol 7,8,.....)
In the beginning, except haruhi and kyon, SOS dan members don't really trust each other. How the group dynamics work in future and how they would become a team? (in vol...)
and many other things
So, it is a pity that they drop this story because all the undeveloped comment.:(
Anaglyph
2006-11-07, 17:09
Damn it! Why do I always arrive late to the party?
Anyway...
He doesn't believe Haruhi is a key for auto-evolution, time warp or a god, we have no reason to believe as well. He believes Haruhi is just another individual, we have no reason not to believe.
I think you're taking that bit too literally. While I agree that we can't take any of the theories about Haruhi at face value, he's saying in his usual sarcastic manner that it doesn't matter to him either way. He's not denying the possibilitiy that she's any of those things, just reinforcing that she's important to him for other reasons. IMO anyway.
Charmmy Kitty
2006-12-07, 15:25
Well...I actually believe that Haruhi is a God, but I don't undertand, why peopl think that Kyon is a god?
I think It's a really grate anime, I'm waiting for the next season, thinking it won't be worse, than first!
And also it's really difficult to say, who's my favourite character...I like everyone from SOS brigade =) Especially the couple of Suzumia and Kyon.
Cheese Ninja
2006-12-10, 05:00
My opinions have also been influenced by reading the novels from the translation project in addition to having watched the anime, but I should still be easy to understand.
I have this mental image that continually returns to me of the SOS Dan as a silly family, with Haruhi and Kyon as the parents. Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi are like their children, their parents care greatly for them, and they are in return extremely devoted to them. Yuki is the always extraordinary, but socially inept daughter, Mikuru is the cute daughter that dad is always doting on, and Koizumi is the irritating at times, but still appreciated son that always sides with his mother. Of course, it's not a perfect match, there are obvious limits to this comparison. But Haruhi is extremely protective of her brigade members, which comes up more often in the novels.
I'd like to see another season of the anime, because there's still so much source material in the novels that hasn't been touched yet. It would explain a few minor details if there were certain scenes animated.
Maybe another season could wait until the novels themselves end, I wonder if everyone will eventually go their separate ways except for Kyon and Haruhi. If the series doesn't end with those two in a romantic relationship, I'll be a bit upset.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2006-12-13, 03:07
watching this series is very addicting
i have already watched suzumiya haruhi no yuutsu about five times already
i really hope kyoto animation does a second season after their remake of kanon
Some critics about this show said that the plot and character were undeveloped and blah blah blah...something like that
but i want to ask how much development you are expected to have in a 14 episodes series?
I have seen so many anime which have none development in both plot and character in 14 episode.
Especially the very long series then how would you talk about them?
this 14 episodes are merely the introduction and beginning of "the saga of SOS dan". All thing will keep on coming!!
e.g.
what happen if Yuki accumulated junk data(aka emotion)? (in vol 4)
So you think Mikuru is a useless mascot? She also thinks so. How would she react to this? (in vol 6,7)
Where are the evil organizations?(both school setting and sci-fi setting) what will they do to haruhi? (in vol 7,8,.....)
In the beginning, except haruhi and kyon, SOS dan members don't really trust each other. How the group dynamics work in future and how they would become a team? (in vol...)
and many other things
So, it is a pity that they drop this story because all the undeveloped comment.:(
Brought back to these area by the appearance of an English Haruhi website. A possible license? For the most part, I like the series (I can't stand the bandwagoning) and am curious which licensor thought it would do well enough in the US to justify the licensing fee that Kyoto would probably want for it. They must be banking on Mikaru's moe melting watchers, Rei Ayanami fans (of which I am one) watch Nagato's character grow and Aya Hirano's unrivaled popularity. Haruhi is more a Genshinken than Bleach though.
Haruhi, the anime, is Haruhi the anime. Haruhi, the novel, is Haruhi the novel. You can't disprove the anime being underdevloped by using the novels. I do find it funny that for once someone is saying: "the anime is fine, look at the novels": instead of the conventional, "the anime sucks, look at the manga".
edit (yet again): The actual looks nice but isn't enough to get anyone hopes up. ie. Not definitive proof of a license.
Is it really necessary for "two overall series" threads?
Though it is random for some part, but overall I find this anime a good one. mainly is the characters and the starting and ending theme song too.
Haven't read the novels yet nor seen the manga too. Will try to get it to read them too... :)
anselfir
2007-01-16, 13:34
I think the characters were very much developed, since they acted in character and rather poignantly so in many moments. Mention Kyon, you get a distinct idea of what Kyon is like, and mention Nagato, you will recall a distinct personality. Development is kinda hollow if you do not count these as development.
After seeing this a few times, it's an ok series, but it has a lot of elements that seemed ripped out of Star Trek multiple times. Good music though.
CrowKenobi
2007-01-30, 00:38
After seeing this a few times, it's an ok series, but it has a lot of elements that seemed ripped out of Star Trek multiple times. Good music though.Could you be more specific? I'd like to know what you think was ripped from Trek. :D
Mirrinus
2007-02-02, 05:02
Star Trek was rather cliche as it is...
Creativity nowadays is not about coming up with new plots or character types, but by how well such cliches are executed. Which I believe SuzuHaru does superbly.
More like... it has a lot of science fiction elements (which Star Trek also borrowed for its storylines). I think people are being too well trained by the phony "intellectual property" goblins. There are very few original ideas in the world... the question is in the quality of execution and the selection of ideas to use.
Most of Shakespeare's works were "riffs"/homage/borrow/steals from other plays and such. He just executed well and his plays were archived carefully. At least read some Joseph Campbell or something about the lineage of stories (which go back thousands of years).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-02-12, 19:59
Here it is at last it finally hit me. I'm so glad the water's finally cleared down now surrounding this series that I can divine things without outside interference. (Fanboyism/Anti-Fanboyism, the usual foolery, whatever) I also feel I can finally express myself without any chance of getting mowed by a guy with a Giant Haruhi in his sig as well. Okay, Here goes.
The final episode of Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu marked the end of an era for me. The show served as the transition point between all the ill thought out series of late 2004-late 2006 that valued style over substance. It showed that the most stylized of series could in some way lend themselves to the deeper storytelling beneath the surface that I was used too from the 80's and 90's. It heralded the return to true character and storytelling that had been lost for a while (though it embody it). Though it was not synonomous with either the old, the current (at the time) or the to come era of anime, it was the beacon, the final stepping stone for a new beginning for a lost art. For that reason it has become a phenomonally popular point in time for discussion and speculation on the past, present and future of the art of anime. It is neither one thing nor the other, it is a period of its own, neither horribly forgettable nor impossible to forget, neither defining, nor unremarkable, it is simply and at the same time complexly a sign of better things to come. The first but certainly not THE ray of hope in a dark period for many anime fans.
How dramatic was that for everybody.:p :p
Question
2007-02-13, 10:24
Kunikida really sounded like Haruhi from Ouran Host Club, especially during the school festival episode.
Also Haruhi is distrubingly kawaii when she gives that evil smile.
Asakura was also disturbingly kawaii during the fight scence.
For someone with a poker face, Yuki is disturbingly kawaii.
blitz1/2
2007-02-19, 23:16
Here's my thoughts. I think that overall, it was okay. It wasn't very good nor was it bad. This may be because I did not read the manga and I found some parts of it confusing.
I still do not understand why people are so obsessed with Haruhi and made a religion out of it. Please enrich me with reasons why.
The parts that I actually enjoyed a lot in the show were the battles involving Yuki Nagato. All of those nice shiny, flashy colours keep me awake for some time.
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-19, 23:31
I still do not understand why people are so obsessed with Haruhi and made a religion out of it. Please enrich me with reasons why.
Read the books.
Mirrinus
2007-02-19, 23:35
1. It's based off a series of novels, not a manga. There are 8 volumes for the novel series released so far in Japan, and a 9th is due soon.
2. Many of its fans enjoyed it because it was extremely innovative. Unorthodox presentation and storytelling may not necessarily appeal to everyone, but many found it to be refreshingly enjoyable.
3. The whole religion thing is mostly just a joke (I think), coming off the idea in the show that Haruhi might be a god.
4. The story for the series is actually fairly deep. It may be difficult to get it your first time through, though, due to the anachronological broadcast order. Watching it again in the correct sequence may help, although I still advocate broadcast order for first-time watchers. Seeing it again a second time in a different order, and you may catch many things that you totally missed the first time through. Excellent storyboarding on KyoAni's part, I'd say.
5. As I said, the story is actually quite deep. The anime only just scratched the surface, covering only maybe 3 novels out of the series. Things get much more interesting when Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (the only story in volume 3 of the novels not animated) drops a big bombshell on the plot, and just keeps getting better with Disappearance, Snow Mountain Syndrome, and Intrigues. In comparison to Kanon (judging by your sig, you'd know what I'm talking about), that would be like only showing Makoto and Shiori's route and stopping right there, when there's so much more material left to show. ^_^
Phantastic
2007-02-21, 02:12
Reading the novels totally spoiled it for me. But I still enjoyed this fantastic series. Can't wait till season 2 of Haruhi. Whee~
Mirrinus
2007-02-21, 03:53
Yeah, a part of me regrets reading the novels because season 2's events won't come as a surprise to me. On the other hand, because I read the novels I know that the original source material is very good, and with KyoAni's track record of sticking tightly to the source material, it's very likely that second season will indeed end up very good as well.
Man, can't wait to see some scenes in novel 4 animated!
Haruhi reminds me of both Trelane and Amanda Rogers, in that she is both powerfull (as are the two mentioned), likes to have fun and can be bratty at times (just like Trelane). In the two mentioned cases, there were beings keeping things in check such as the Q continuum and Trelane's parents to prevent Universal damage.
In Haruhi's case I wouldn't be surprised if something similar occurs if more chaotic events happen later on, for the Universe won't allow itself to be vapped, if you will. :D
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-02-23, 06:16
Haruhi reminds me of both Trelane and Amanda Rogers, in that she is both powerfull (as are the two mentioned), likes to have fun and can be bratty at times (just like Trelane). In the two mentioned cases, there were beings keeping things in check such as the Q continuum and Trelane's parents to prevent Universal damage.
In Haruhi's case I wouldn't be surprised if something similar occurs if more chaotic events happen later on, for the Universe won't allow itself to be vapped, if you will. :D
The problem with this theory, is twofold:
1. If there is a being greater than Haruhi, then Yuki's people would almost certainly have detected it.
2. Haruhi has thus far ceased to be an imminent threat to the universe after the events of the TV series. She is still a threat, but only potentially. The SOS-dan has successfully contained her in the medium term, and the only source of danger comes externally. In the mean time, the universe is almost as much a doormat as Mikuru, taking abuse from Haruhi's rule changing, Yuki's data manipulation, time-travellers ripping through space-time everywhichway, and paradoxes growing like rats.
No, I am afraid SOS-dan is the first, last and only line of defense between the universe and total annihilation. Deux Ex Machinas wouldn't come to their rescue, because they ARE the Deux Ex Machinas.
Not quite right, Haruhi is an evolved omnipotent, instead of being already born as such like the Goddess sisters of Tenchi Muyo, so the critical thing here is the ability to change, rather than the power itself. That is what interests Yuki's group.
Point that needs to be understood is that all probabilities exist in their entirety, regardless of whether they manifest or not. Paradox propagation doesn't occur because if it did, it would already have happened throughout the space/time continuum. This includes entities such as Haruhi. The very fact that the universe exists ensures that there will be something to counteract tendencies to eliminate it, otherwise it would cease to exist at all points in time.
CrowKenobi
2007-02-23, 23:06
Douglas Adams said it best:
I'd like to add this from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: (paraphrasing)There is a theory that states that if we ever found out how the universe actually works and what it's here for, it will immediately disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory that states that this has already happened.
:cool:
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-02-23, 23:35
The very fact that the universe exists ensures that there will be something to counteract tendencies to eliminate it, otherwise it would cease to exist at all points in time.
Ah, but all you can prove is that the universe has not yet been destroyed. The fact that it still remains can't guarantee its future survival, even if there was time travellers from further ahead. Remember the time-loop that Haruhi generated? It was the SOS-dan that put a stop to it, not any other forces. And while the time-loop continued, Future ceased to exist. That's why Mikuru wasn't able to contact her superiors at the time.
Essentially, since Haruhi-wise it is easy to put the universe back exactly as it was after messing it up, the universe's continuous survival isn't that important at all.
If such a repairing-force exists, then it is the SOS-dan itself. Otherwise the time-loop would have been fixed MUCH earlier.
LadyRin247
2007-02-24, 22:59
i have seen most of the show. i really love but i dont understand it very well. if some on come please explain it to me that would be very helpful, Thanks!
Rin
Mirrinus
2007-02-24, 23:27
Sure, many first-time watchers are usually confused by it, since the series is rather unorthdox. May I ask what part don't you understand? It's not the easiest thing in the world to give a plot synopsis for an 8-volume novel, so if you could ask some specific questions, that'd help.
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-24, 23:37
It's not the easiest thing in the world to give a plot synopsis for an 8-volume novel
Then you're in luck, as I think he's asking for a plot synopsis of a 14-episode anime ;)
If you didn't get it the first time around, try watching it in chronological order. I think Wikipedia (among other places) has it.
I just finished the entire series yesterday (yes in a day because it was so good it kept me glued to my computer). Right now, I have so many things I want to say about the series, but I don't think I can list it all out here. Anyway, not many people will read this post in the first place (considering this is already a 10-page thread with views from so many people). So I'm just going to comment on the storyline, to help you decide which way you want to watch the anime in.
Storyline
There are two ways to watch this series.
1. The Haruhi Order - ie. the first screwed up episode order that haruhi says.
2. The Kyon Order - ie. the correction made by Kyon which tells you what happens in the next episode in broadcast/episode number order.
The Kyon Order
This order, is screwed up. It's so screwed up, that it put a super-confusing episode as the first episode. Why? Well, if you don't get the first episode, you probably won't get the rest of the series watching it in this order. In fact, I feel that by broadcasting the series in this manner, the broadcasting station essentially reduces the size of the target audience, which is a bad thing for the broadcasting station of course.
The Kyon Order essentially mixes up the timeline, however it turns the plotline into a typical anime's plotline. Introduction -> Character Development -> Rising Conflict -> Climax -> Resolution.
My take on this, BORING.
For one, it is confusing, which is unnecessary. (but i guess it was inevitable if you want to have 2 different ways to watch one series) It also loses the amazingly powerful underlying message at the end of the series. Your conclusion at the end of the series after watching it in the Kyon Order, is that your life is boring and you should get your butt off your tv screens and do something about it. And you feel jealousy, (yes admit it), the life of the characters seem so much more interesting, and at the same time, so possible... That's how most movies and animes and tv series make people feel anyway. envy.
On the other hand, watching it in the
Haruhi Order
leaves a much deeper impression, and a totally different message. It's not so confusing this time, but the story climaxes and resolves in the middle of nowhere. Some people go wtf? what's there to watch now that Kyon kissed Haruhi and the world is saved blah blah blah. Yea, there really isn't much left to watch, afterall, its just everyday school life from that point on.
However it is exactly because its everyday school life from that point on, that makes the end so much more meaningful. Even though its just everyday school life, nothing much interesting going on besides things that probably happen in YOUR school (if you are still a student) as well, the author manages to make it interesting.
When you watch episode 9 in Kyon order, you might be asking what the hell is the director trying to show, when half the time yuki is sitting in the room stoning, and all you do is watch her stone.
When you watch episode 9 in Haruhi order, which makes it the last episode, it becomes a reminder that sometimes, you don't have to seek for new things, because you probably already have all of it right in front of you. The haruhi order puts all the action at the front, and then after that, and more so in the last episode, you begin to see that life is beautiful the way it is. The tranquility that you feel when watching Yuki sit there and enjoy her book is amazing, definitely a different experience than that of watching it in the Kyon order.
This morning when I went to school, I began to realised that I never noticed many things that were right there, in my school grounds, and along my way to school all this while. I used to go to school everyday, dreading the ride and walk there. But today, I realised that by perceiving this journey to be boring and routine, I have shut down my senses to the little interesting things that happen all around me, as i make the journey. If you get what I mean...
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For those of you who haven't, watch the series again in Haruhi order, and it may just change the way you look at everyday life.
I especially liked the very last scene of episode 9... Rainy days will never be dull again for me. :p
Mirrinus
2007-03-01, 16:28
I found it enjoyable in both orders...it's no like your enjoyment must be mutually exclusive. Maybe that's why I didn't make such a fuss about the DVD orders...
Re[Sublimity]
2007-03-02, 23:43
I would really like to see more of this series. There is actually another season returning because of the hit of the show. I would really like to see a blooming romance between Kyon and Haruhi. It just seemed that those two were meant to be with one another.
FatPianoBoy
2007-03-03, 00:07
;849818']I would really like to see a blooming romance between Kyon and Haruhi. It just seemed that those two were meant to be with one another.
Mmm... read the novels ;)
It's funny: I get the feeling that he wants to be with Mikuru, that Yuki wants to be with him, but that he will somehow ultimately end up with Haruhi. Funny thing is, Mikuru may already know who the lucky lady will be :heh:
any places with the manga scanlations?
FatPianoBoy
2007-03-04, 00:12
any places with the manga scanlations?
The manga is fail. Read the novels.
The manga is fail. Read the novels.
ah ty for clearing that, used to and still reading inuyasha scanlations, so wasnt sure how further haruhi stories were published
HurricaneHige
2007-03-12, 18:00
The only thing i dont get, and it contains spoilers so i'm gonna be safe:
So, does that mean Kyon is in the club becuz Haruhi wished for it? i mean wished for it before they even had the conversations, becuz even before they started the club, Haruhi wished to sit near kyon (remember the sit changed?). So does that mean Haruhi wanted to meet espers, aliens, time travellers AND be with Kyon? (mayb she got a little crush on him...who knows?)
FatPianoBoy
2007-03-12, 18:06
The only thing i dont get, and it contains spoilers so i'm gonna be safe:
So, does that mean Kyon is in the club becuz Haruhi wished for it? i mean wished for it before they even had the conversations, becuz even before they started the club, Haruhi wished to sit near kyon (remember the sit changed?). So does that mean Haruhi wanted to meet espers, aliens, time travellers AND be with Kyon? (mayb she got a little crush on him...who knows?)
I think that was pretty obvious :heh:
Of course, there's also the possibility of Kyonism to factor in, but the outcome would still be the same. It's obvious those two hit it off from the start, and for someone who's so despondent all the time because of being surrounded by idiots and someone who's never had anyone take a geniune interest in them, that's a pretty profound thing.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-03-15, 00:48
The only thing i dont get, and it contains spoilers so i'm gonna be safe:
So, does that mean Kyon is in the club becuz Haruhi wished for it? i mean wished for it before they even had the conversations, becuz even before they started the club, Haruhi wished to sit near kyon (remember the sit changed?). So does that mean Haruhi wanted to meet espers, aliens, time travellers AND be with Kyon? (mayb she got a little crush on him...who knows?)
We KNOW Haruhi wanted to be with Kyon...
...because it was her chance meeting with "John Smith", a boy who wear that North High school uniform, that made her chose North High as her highschool. Otherwise with her academic level, there was a far better funded and superior quality all-girls school nearby that she could have went to instead. It is shown in the novels that North High is not viewed, even by its own students, as a decent educational institute. Someone as smart as Haruhi would not have came to North High otherwise. (The part about her wanting to join a mystery club is probably the outward excuse. There is no way she can admit doing all this to look for a guy.)
Kittie Rose
2007-03-16, 21:25
I really would have liked to see him with Mikuru, she's so adorable :) I feel so sorry for her all the time! I just can't picture him in an actual relationship with Haruhi. It's kind of scary.
I liked the series but I'm not so sure I like the idea of her being, basically, God. Normally I do feel ambiguity is a bit overdone with these kind of things, but I think it would have been more interesting to see "official" other explanations of what's going on. I don't mean the horrid "Most mudane explanation possible" cop out, I hate that.
The idea of the entire world revolving around anyone person or thing just gets to me a little. It's why monotheistic religions like Christianity have always been a turn off for me, but older pagan religions always seemed much more fascinating; more diversity.
Also, did she not only create a new earth, but a whole new universe? The earth thing I could buy a little, but a whole new universe is going out on a limb...
It was a great series, over all. It does make me wonder how they'll continue the story though.
Also, the first episode was my favourite. It was hilarious and a fantastic indirect introduction to the characters. It was really great how it foreshadowed what the characters would be revealed to be in subsequent episodes. You don't need to know who the characters are. That's like saying any first episode is shit because you haven't invested enough time and care in them yet. I got exactly the right feeling from who all the characters were, especially Haruhi, even though she only appeared on screen for a few seconds!
I can see why Americans would be turned off by it though. It's "silly" humour, not a serious attempt at humour and I find a lot of westerners have sticks up their asses when it comes to that(yet series like Friends, Will and Grace and The War at Home are obviously SO hilarious). Humour doesn't "Have" to be forumalted like that.
I want to see "silly" humour make a big comeback. Something like Monty Python only more chaotic. Something like The Young Ones maybe!
FatPianoBoy
2007-03-16, 22:07
I really would have liked to see him with Mikuru, she's so adorable :) I feel so sorry for her all the time! I just can't picture him in an actual relationship with Haruhi. It's kind of scary.
I liked the series but I'm not so sure I like the idea of her being, basically, God. Normally I do feel ambiguity is a bit overdone with these kind of things, but I think it would have been more interesting to see "official" other explanations of what's going on. I don't mean the horrid "Most mudane explanation possible" cop out, I hate that.
The idea of the entire world revolving around anyone person or thing just gets to me a little. It's why monotheistic religions like Christianity have always been a turn off for me, but older pagan religions always seemed much more fascinating; more diversity.
Also, did she not only create a new earth, but a whole new universe? The earth thing I could buy a little, but a whole new universe is going out on a limb...
Well, that's part of the fun. It's also why Kyon gave Koizumi that completely befuddled expression during their conversation on the quad. Some, like in Koizumi's "Agency," do see her as God. Nagato sees her as what basically amounts to a fountain of data. Mikuru sees her as the source of a time distortion/anomaly. In "reality" (term used loosely :heh:), Haruhi could be any one of these things, a combination of two, or all three. even by volume seven (I'm still working on reading eight) we still don't really know, but it's pretty apparent that she's not just an average kid.
I can see why Americans would be turned off by it though. It's "silly" humour, not a serious attempt at humour and I find a lot of westerners have sticks up their asses when it comes to that(yet series like Friends, Will and Grace and The War at Home are obviously SO hilarious). Humour doesn't "Have" to be forumalted like that.
I want to see "silly" humour make a big comeback. Something like Monty Python only more chaotic. Something like The Young Ones maybe!
Slapstick humor (what you've termed "silly" humor) is pretty universal, so I don't really see that being a problem. Rather, I see a problem with the more subtle aspects like why Nagato is just so darn adorable sometimes; why Koizumi constantly annoys Kyon; how Mikuru is affected by her timid nature and the abuse it invites; how Haruhi develops after finally finding a place she belongs with people she belongs with (and ultimately how she'll deal with having to abandon these things one day); and Kyon's reaction to, perception of, and role in all this.
Of course, these things aren't always funny, and aren't always meant to be. Americans seem to have trouble figuring out when to laugh (we only abandoned those horrid laugh tracks a decade or so ago), so it'll be interesting to see how they recieve these elements.
HurricaneHige
2007-03-17, 16:25
actually americans have yet to abandon those laugh tracks...new series are still using them. Basically typical americans (not all) needs to be told when to do something since they really have no clue on wat to do, that can be humor, business management, or w/e. i'm not trying to be offensive or anything, but typical americans just dont have a clue wat they want
Kittie Rose
2007-03-17, 17:30
actually americans have yet to abandon those laugh tracks...new series are still using them. Basically typical americans (not all) needs to be told when to do something since they really have no clue on wat to do, that can be humor, business management, or w/e. i'm not trying to be offensive or anything, but typical americans just dont have a clue wat they want
I'd have to agree to an extent. Americans are just that little bit more "follow the leader" in certain things than Japan or Europe.
I have trouble on a lot of message boards because I can't accept rules without question, I need logical justification as to why I have to limit my behaviour. For me, no matter who owns it, every board should be moderated so it offers the greatest good for the most people, while not ignoring the minority. "My board, my rules", makes me want to stab someone in the face, because it's a vast oversimplification.
There is one thing, that, for me, really personifies this.
Judge Dredd, a popular British comic, was originally about an ANTI-hero. Or a villian, pretty much. He was an asshole. He was an entertaining asshole, but people knew that he wasn't an "Idol", persay, but an anti-idol. He wasn't meant to be the coolest guy on the planet. I AM THE LAW! is a very arrogant, illogical thing to say.
And lo and behold, america gets it's hands on the property, and turns him into the GOOD GUY without changing his philosophy in the slightest! Suddenly, this authoritarian, self centred dick is the epitome of cool.
The exact same thing happens on the internet. People who complain about things are seen as "whiners" but massive assholes are celebrated.
This is why most americans shouldn't admin forums. They're all Judge Dredd wannabes.
And unfortunately, since the Internet is completely engulfed in american culture, it doesn't just have to be an actual american anymore.
I don't want to offend americans since they make up 90% of this forum, but you have some serious problems in your culture's mentality. So does Japan for that matter, but that's another story.
Furudanuki
2007-03-17, 19:15
Folks, if you want to engage in a little "America bashing" there are plenty of places where you are welcome to do so, but it is WAY off topic for this particular thread.
I'd have to agree to an extent. Americans are just that little bit more "follow the leader" in certain things than Japan or Europe.Kittie Rose, I'm guessing that you are injecting a large dose of hyperbole here. Either that or I have to assume that you have never spent a significant amount of time anywhere near Japan. ;)
hikaru2895
2007-03-19, 17:11
I don't want to offend americans since they make up 90% of this forum, but you have some serious problems in your culture's mentality.
I'm happy we created the internet for you so you can enjoy critizing us!
Actually offtopic, but Tim Berners-Lee, who is credited for creating the World Wide Web, is British, not American.
And, of course, DARPA created the "internet" that used to be mostly for technoliteratti until the online services (AOL, Compuserve, etc) started connecting to it.
I feel imminently qualified to make fun of Americans since I have to live with them and am one .... but as Furu says, its offtopic and what I see so far involves some serious inaccuracies ("japan not follow the leader?" <snort laugh>) sooooooo ..... back to SHnY please.
If you want to discuss how certain cultures might not *get* SHnY thats fine... but be aware a significant portion of America does get -sciencefiction-comedy-slapstick-verbalhumor-sarcasm-satire-parody ... which makes up most of SHnY.... at least the demographic that would be interested anyway. Otherwise things like Monty Python or Hitchhiker's Guide would have never been minor hits here.
More likely, its the physics, philosophy, religious beliefs, and japan-cultural specifics that might leave many Americans confused... but then thats true of any country: not everyone gets those things. The show works on several levels .. but a full appreciation requires at least a good layman's understanding of those topics.
I don't think Kyon has a choice whether he ends up with Haruhi in this one, lol.
I think when its over he will get with her, not the time travelling ditz or scary humanoid. Well actually we know for a fact he does not get with Mikuru because her future self told him not to get close.
Anyways I think Kyon is perfect for Haruhi and hope that he does get with her.
FatPianoBoy
2007-03-25, 00:11
I don't think Kyon has a choice whether he ends up with Haruhi in this one, lol.
I think when its over he will get with her, not the time travelling ditz or scary humanoid. Well actually we know for a fact he does not get with Mikuru because her future self told him not to get close.
You mean that Haruhi will get Kyon. Kyon will not be the pursuer in this ;)
It's my personal extrication from Big Mikuru's comment that they do indeed come very close to getting in a relationship (maybe even so far as a spontaneous kiss), but are soon reminded that such a relationship is doomed to fail and back off.
Nagato seems like the most likely other than Haruhi, although Koizumi would probably throw a fit with all the extra work he'd end up with if Haruhi ever found out. I can imagine preventing the end of the world would cease to be fun after the second time.
gouf 1/2
2007-06-09, 11:21
very humorous and fun anime to watch. Only negatives is the episode order threw me off a bit. But overall i like the character design... and their personalities are very imaginative.
I give it 9/10
Tatsumiko
2007-06-17, 07:37
Well since the animes im currently watching dont have any new episodes yet I finally decided to watch the whole anime after a final push from Kona-chan, Discovery channel and my local anime-ordering website...:heh:
I'll take back anything bad I said about Haruhi...cause she became my fav in the anime XD...very fun personality...great animation...nice dancin.
But the ending was too damn obvious and dissapointing.
(sorry for all the Kyon-otaku's)
Ladies and gentlemen!!!!
THE WORST CHARACTER IN ANIME EVER!!!
Just look at his irritating face he puts up all the time
:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o84/Tatsumiko/jhdfnn.jpg:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:
This is probably the worst story-teller main character guy Ive ever seen...
I mean when he says "Thats what i think"...I went all : Well guess what..I dont effing care!! Id rather like to see what Haruhi thought..>(
If there ever will be a second season..then I hope to heavens that Haruhi will be the story-teller. <(
But for now...This anime will be one of my favs..Just because of Haruhi
Mirificus
2007-06-18, 14:10
If there ever will be a second season..then I hope to heavens that Haruhi will be the story-teller. <(
But for now...This anime will be one of my favs..Just because of Haruhi
Haruhi is an interesting character but she doesn't really have much of an idea of what's going on around her making her less interesting as a narrator. It would also require rewriting all of the existing material.
Boris Moskovitz
2007-06-18, 14:47
their personalities are very imaginative.
Eeeehhh...
Haruhi: Tsundere Sassybitch
Kyon: I'm very sarcastic and cynical
Mikuru: Super moé with big boobs
Yuki: Rei Ayanami
Koizumi: Possibly a homosexual? =p He probably comes closest to being "original" out of the whole bunch.
While I'd assess that The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya brings absolutely nothing new on the table, it was still a pretty fun show with enough twists to keep it interesting.
Tatsumiko
2007-06-18, 16:31
Haruhi is an interesting character but she doesn't really have much of an idea of what's going on around her making her less interesting as a narrator. It would also require rewriting all of the existing material.
Yeah but it looks like its not gonna happen any time soon....but if it comes...I guess we'll have to put up with more Kyon thoughts >_>
Koizumi: Possibly a homosexual? =p He probably comes closest to being "original" out of the whole bunch.
I'd actually peg him as the Smiling Smooth Know-It-All, which I first encountered (although I'm sure there's a prior example) in Slayers NEXT with Xelloss.
That said, he obviously is not a Xelloss clone (for one, Xelloss is a lot more goofy in funny moments, and scheming in serious moments), but I'd say the same for all the characters: we've seen their broad strokes elsewhere before, but each of the characters have their own unique quirks that make them memorable.
Yes, even Yuki Nagato. While she may be akin to Rei Ayanami in a great many ways, I'd consider her shading a bit towards R. Dorothy Wainwright in The Big O. She's unfeeling, while Rei is more uncaring.
Oddly enough, I can't really come up with many examples of the Cynical Sarcasm which is Kyon's archetype in anime (this is more due to inexperience than lack), but I can think of several examples offhand in Western TV (Blackadder comes immediately to mind).
gouf 1/2
2007-06-19, 11:55
I enjoyed all teh side humor and all the moments of this anime.
I like the character personalities and design
The only draw back is teh episode order itself.
In the ending... Kyon invented a good way to see if a girl really likes you (even though it was a dream/nightmare)
Rotary Knight
2007-06-20, 01:35
At first, I was like
WTF is this crap.
havent watched any more episodes.
flash forward to a year later
HOLY CRAP THIS ANIME IS GREAT
Watched the whole thing in one sitting.
The thing that motivated me to watch it again was from my cousin renting the first dvd from netflix.......damn this is a awesome series.
Pendevous
2007-06-21, 12:30
The original episode airing is a hell lot better than the chronological one. I was like, "WTF CONFUSING" at first, but then I realized that all of them came together. I love the series. Great anime.
Having watched it in full awhile ago (and again as it's released in the States), I have to say it was very good. The setup of the SOS Dan moved a little slowly, but the series picked up greatly after that. Watching it in chronological order would remove a lot of what makes the series a fun ride - seeing Kyon and Haruhi arguing over the episode order, the piecing together of what's going on - even the plots themselves weave together better, oddly enough.
I also like how much Haruhi had everyone playing "themselves" (more than she knew) in The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina. Nothing beats Yuki as a rock-magician either. My favorite episode, though, would have to be The Day of Sagittarius III. I knew I'd love it when Haruhi Rider-Kick'd the Computer Club President down out of nowhere. That and the "space battle" scenes.
Darknemo2000
2007-06-28, 04:07
I would say that Koizumi has other Evangelion character resemblance - Kaworu Nagisa. I have seen quite a lot of similarities here.
Same goes for Yuki VS Rei...Yet I agree that Yuki is more lively and emotional than Rei, however, it wasn't like Rei was a doll as well (despite what asuka said about her), thus its probably least original character for me, yet, without a doubt very charming and captivating.
Haruhi, though, is pertyy original character. Though we can see a lot of similarities between Koizumi/Kaworu and Nagato/Rei we can't say the same for Haruhi/Asuka. that is mostly because Asuka was mentally very unstable character, while Haruhi is weird, she wasn't that psychotic as Asuka was. Besides Haruhi is cheerful while Asuka was far from it with a lots of self-hatred and suicidal thoughts.
Yet there is somesmilarities between Haruhi and Asuka in the way they both treat their own love interests - Kyon and Shinji - in a very tsundere-ish way. But still I wouldnt mark as your typical tsundere (same goes for Asuka, but in a different way).
Hmm i loved most of the series, i liked the episode with the festival, hehe a Magician and a Bunny rocking on a guitar rocked :), although i didn't like how some of the episodes went out of order, the one when they went to the island, and a different episode was next, got me really confused and wondering what happened, although this is still one of my favorite animes ever :D
One of the purposes of the 'out of time order' is to help you relate to how disoriented Kyon is. There's also some question about whether *anything* you know is what actually happened since Haruhi can alter the past, reality, now, whatever without even being aware of it.
I just got my wife to watch Haruhi. She loves it. This is significant because she's no otaku - only anime she's ever watched are Saiunkoku Monogatari and NANA. Otherwise it's all TV shows and dorama. I thought it shows how great Haruhi really is - the story is compelling to everyone, not just otakus. It's just so happens that otakus are the ones exposed to it first, that's all. :)
physics223
2007-07-10, 11:53
I didn't find it anything amazing. It had good production values and was good technically, although it was nothing amazing.
It had the best songs among all the anime I've watched though ... I still play God Knows, even until now. >.<
I really liked the series, mainly because this isn't something that you would see as normal. Though not pure random like FLCL, it had its sarcasm, tyranny and extraterrestrial species that made it interesting.
Twisted Reality
2007-07-19, 17:47
I would say that Koizumi has other Evangelion character resemblance - Kaworu Nagisa. I have seen quite a lot of similarities here.
Same goes for Yuki VS Rei...Yet I agree that Yuki is more lively and emotional than Rei, however, it wasn't like Rei was a doll as well (despite what asuka said about her), thus its probably least original character for me, yet, without a doubt very charming and captivating.
Haruhi, though, is pertyy original character. Though we can see a lot of similarities between Koizumi/Kaworu and Nagato/Rei we can't say the same for Haruhi/Asuka. that is mostly because Asuka was mentally very unstable character, while Haruhi is weird, she wasn't that psychotic as Asuka was. Besides Haruhi is cheerful while Asuka was far from it with a lots of self-hatred and suicidal thoughts.
Yet there is somesmilarities between Haruhi and Asuka in the way they both treat their own love interests - Kyon and Shinji - in a very tsundere-ish way. But still I wouldnt mark as your typical tsundere (same goes for Asuka, but in a different way).
That's the entire point. Yuki, Mikuru, Koizumi, Kyon and Haruhi are all supposed to be anime cliches. They're pretty much there to parody anime archetypes.
I wasn't disappointed by it though since they all get sufficient character development or some sort of twist to offset it.
Haruhi: Uber-bitch. Tsundere. Eccentric Genius. Also possibly a god, God, an agent of the supernatural or just a girl with powers. Great fun. She's a typical character, but I can't help but admire her enthusiasm and sense of freedom. There's also quite a bit of irony in the fact that there's all this magic right under her nose that she isn't aware of. There's probably a parallel in there to real life. . . I guess. Unlike most tsundere though, she's most affectionate towards Kyon when she's forcing heavy labor onto him or squabbling with him.
Koizumi: Appears to be a snobby private school of student. Sadly, he's forced to play this role for the rest of his days and won't be getting his development in the first season. He's still great fun for his commentary, speculation and bits of philosophy. He's the deep thinker of the group, but he doesn't get the credit he deserves for it. (Yuki is really more of an ultra-powerful and fast processor.)
Yuki: Typical "emotionless girl" who blooms into her emotions. Not an original archetype, but it works fine. In the meantime, we get to see her bend the laws of physics and give Kyon headaches. Watching her gestures and motions throughout the series is great fun. (i.e. Yuki tilting forward in the library and walking at an angle towards the shelves. Yuki eating and playing baseball in a mechanical fashion.) Yuki brings a dash of sci-fi to the show. Day of Sagittarius for the win!
Kyon: Cynical and unusually philosophical high-school student. Narrator Lies to the audience and himself about his attraction to Haruhi. Nothing is compete about this show without his sarcasm and him bemoaning the loss of his sanity. Again, he lies to the audience -- he secretly enjoys his new life. "Power of habit" my ass. He's also apathetic and bored with life, something I can identify with pretty easily.
It should also be noted that Kyon is a man of mystery. We don't actually know what business he has with a god-like alien, psychic, god-like school girl and a time traveler. Is there something about Kyon that even he is not aware of? He doesn't even really have a proper name...Koizumi later brings up the idea that Haruhi may not actually be the "God." But has implied that she's only getting her powers because somebody is unconsciously granting them to her. He is of course, bothering Kyon about this fascinating idea. It'd be humorous if Kyon, staring through sleepy eyes at the world, was the real creator of all this chaos. Of course, I doubt the audience will ever get a clear answer, one way or the other.
Mikuru: A one-note loli-girl. That's her entire function in the series. It's funny mostly because her existence isn't made necessary because the producers want to provide fanservice. It's because Haruhi does. What Haruhi wants, she gets. It's hilarious watching Haruhi stuff Mikuru into the costumes and hearing her squeal in a high-pitched tone. Unlike most pieces of fanservice meat, Mikuru actually has a sense of modesty. Even her relationship to Kyon is mostly a result of her clinginess and insecurity and Kyon's desire to drown out his confusion. It's refreshing to see that this sort of thing doesn't get passed off as "true love."
FatPianoBoy
2007-07-19, 21:27
Mikuru: A one-note loli-girl. That's her entire function in the series.
The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru and The Intrigues of Suzumiya Haruhi may be of interest to you ;)
Twisted Reality
2007-07-20, 00:16
The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru and The Intrigues of Suzumiya Haruhi may be of interest to you ;)
Hmm. No. I read those and Mikuru-The-Younger didn't do anything particularly out-of-character. Pretty hapless as always.
Mikuru-The-Elder is foxy and cunning though.
FatPianoBoy
2007-07-20, 06:19
Hmm. No. I read those and Mikuru-The-Younger didn't do anything particularly out-of-character. Pretty hapless as always.
The point I was getting at is that even Mikuru sees herself as a useless person who is only good for following directions and looking cute. It troubles her quite deeply and she's afraid she'll always be this way. Kyon, however, recounts to her a few times where she helped him substantially in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Disappearance, and from this point on she becomes just a little more assertive and confident.
Mikuru-The-Elder is foxy and cunning though.
Which would suggest epic character development at some point. I just hope Tanigawa gets around to writing it.
Mirrinus
2007-07-20, 21:38
The point I was getting at is that even Mikuru sees herself as a useless person who is only good for following directions and looking cute. It troubles her quite deeply and she's afraid she'll always be this way. Kyon, however, recounts to her a few times where she helped him substantially in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Disappearance, and from this point on she becomes just a little more assertive and confident.
Which would suggest epic character development at some point. I just hope Tanigawa gets around to writing it.
I'm willing to bet that the reason Mikuru changes from timid and meek into confident and capable has something to do with her experiences (including those to come) with the SOS Brigade. That might be why it has to be Mikuru, and not some other more experienced and reliable time traveler agent, who has to be sent on this mission. The mission's goal isn't just to keep an eye on Haruhi, but to develop and embolden the agent, so that the future would not be deprived of a notable leader.
It's just speculation, but that certainly would be interesting to see.
Twisted Reality
2007-07-20, 23:29
Which would suggest epic character development at some point. I just hope Tanigawa gets around to writing it.
Wouldn't that be nice? He'd then actually be kicking the plot into a higher gear. I'm curious what he's going to do with the antagonists that he's been setting up.
It kinda bothers me that Kyon dislikes the "enemy" characters simply on the virtue of crossing Mikuru. Beware their sinister agenda! Whatever that is. That and "anti-Nagato" is apparently a metaphorical blackhole that makes him feel uncomfortable. Dunno, seems like it might be cheap bid to set up a conflict.
Mostly it seems like Kyon jumping at and inventing Jungian shadows to the SoS Brigade.
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/images/2/2c/Sh_v09_illust_003.jpg
This series is gold. Absolute, shining, gold.
I cannot wait for the second season.
;)Well, my overall impresion in this anime is that it was one of the greatest anime I've ever seen, the entire series is funny, but the thing that made it really cool was that the episodes are not in a chronological order... VERRY ORIGINAL!!!!
AuditionEX
2008-01-23, 20:49
Overrated?! lawl.
But anyway it has something that this animu possessed and I liek this...
no one's posted here for a long time huh =x
well when i first got this series it was a low quality version from a classmate and watching it in the library i was like OMFG (mikuru in her *suit*) not the most public-friendly episode i guess =P
but when i watched it at home it was really good. read the light novels too, tho i wish they'd stop delaying vol 10
Kaisos Erranon
2008-01-24, 22:14
tho i wish they'd stop delaying vol 10
Don't we all...
Ninjamasta
2008-03-26, 18:35
The anime series is cool but it kinda lack and ending to it though. I was hoping for a second seasson but after 2 years nothing have been put on news in regards. Anyone know is there going to be a second seasson?
Since there wont be a english version of novels, has anyone read chinese version? I was gonna think about getting those books.
I remember the first time I sat down with this series back when it was still unlicensed (if I recall correctly, my enjoyment could be dedicated to Animesuki for the providing of such wonderful sub links back in that day) and before that I had heard mention of it somewhere... I'm not sure where or when I first heard about The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, nor am I sure about this or not but I believe it was actually the first series I ever viewed from Animesuki. If that's true, then it was the second anime that I viewed via internet source. Before that, it was all Cartoon Network and helpless channels.
But enough of my history... The reason I said all that is because it gives an obvious impression. Should the series have proven to be ghastly and terrible beyond my capabilities to enjoy, it could be said that I would never have graced this forum. Thus, it can be said that it the anime was good enough to make me want to see more, well, anime. That's true, because to this day this anime is still the greatest anime I have viewed and I don't believe that this anime could ever be overrated in any way. Plus, how can you not love an anime that comes from a group of annoying guys who love screwing with your mind (the official website and the strange episode order) and employed probably the most heavenly voice for a female main character yet. If I could change anything, Kyon and Haruhi would have a bit more romance... But that's the only thing.
Guernsey
2008-07-21, 17:41
I like the Haruhi series, it has characters who I can relate to on some level and the light novels are written in such a unique way that any person who is not into the whole anime craze can get into it. Well, I don't why but Haruhi just sort of intimidates me because of her confidence and the fact that can quite literally do anything that if she puts her mind to it and I guess I am sort of envious of the girl. I am not all that familiar with all the tropes of anime but Haruhi, Kyon, Koizomi, Nagato and Mikuru pretty much fit the mold since I can pretty picture Nagato and Rei "talking" to each other like in that old Cartoon Network commercial where Raven was "talking" to Mandy.
Nagato: Nice to meet you, Ayanami Rei.
Rei: Nice to meet to you, Nagato Yuki.
(sits back on their seats with silence)
Before I actually saw the show or even read the novels, I wanted to see what the big deal was about so after mustering up a lot of patience, I finally watch the show and I finally got into although not to the point of Haruhism. I am not all that familiar with Ontology or Metaphysics or any sort of thing of that nature but the Haruhi series seems to bring a lot of interesting topics concerning the True Nature of God, the Universe and everything not unlike other the novel I have read like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or even any of those Gainax shows with Gainax endings but it blends together with a traditional school comedy that I see in most anime.
As for the characters themselves, I can find myself in them and themselves in me. As for the overconfident, eccentric and pretty competitive brownie haired title character, I can see how I can become the "God" of my reality, how I can make things both good and bad happen to me and everyone just by thinking about it and I can her personality have been reflected of my own persona since I am able to see these things and get puffed up on them (who hasn't behaved like Haruhi at one time). I could write more but I don't want to make a livejournal like post on this thread but I do see myself in all the Haruhi characters (not to say that I will exploit people to my ends, come up with crazy plans or even start a club with the sole purpose of looking for supernatural oddities in my own world) and I enjoy this series and I recommend it to anyone who likes anime or anyone who isn't even into anime to read the light novels.
What can I say? Haruhi is an amazing anime, and it's the little things that make it so good. The characters are what really kept me interested, but in a larger sense I really enjoyed the fact that the anime is not always what it seems. The idea of one girl controlling the too-normal world around her, and bringing together the characters and events that she does, it's just awesome.
I'd recommend it to anyone, in hopes that the first episode (Broadcast order) doesn't shun them away, and they continue to watch this amazing work.
Personally, I can really relate to Kyon. I'm always the first to complain about crap, and I'm always getting dragged into things that I don't want to do, but end up liking it all in the end. XD gotta love the guy.
Mew Mew 117
2008-11-20, 13:31
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is a great series that I'll never forget. (Heck, I bought the anime after watching the first episode. :heh:) The artwork is beautiful and the characters are great. And something about this series that amazes me is how well I connected to it.
Haruhi Suzumiya was always bored of life. Even when she was younger, she thought about her life, like when she realized how great Japan's population was and how small she was in the world. I find myself in stages like that all the time. Once I even looked around in my daily life and realized I was doing the same thing every day. And for me, that just sounded, well, boring. It really struck me then how Suzumiya really felt. The whole series left a big and memorable impression on me.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-20, 16:40
...You know that you aren't supposed to relate to Haruhi, right?
...You know that you aren't supposed to relate to Haruhi, right?Wrong, there are a whole bunch of us who love this show so much because we related to Haruhi, or we related to both Haruhi and Kyon.
I would show you some of my 1000+ word essays that I posted on AS about how Haruhi related to my life and how she changed my life perspectives and such, but you probably won't read.
I gave Mew Mew 117 cookies because its so extremely rare to hear what I consider a True Haruhist nowadays.
She understood the greatness of episode 1, she was able to tie herself to Haruhi. I've seen people of either, but of both its rare. Well, rare outside of Japan and East Asia.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-21, 02:14
I never thought Haruhi's traits or hatred of normality was supposed to be positive at all.
Notice that, as the novels go on, she begins to settle with realizing that fun can be had in normal life, too...
I think the show is fairly anti-escapism, which, of course, is rather ironic, given the escapist nature of anime istelf.
I never thought Haruhi's traits or hatred of normality was supposed to be positive at all.
Notice that, as the novels go on, she begins to settle with realizing that fun can be had in normal life, too...
I think the show is fairly anti-escapism, which, of course, is rather ironic, given the escapist nature of anime istelf.Something like that, Haruhi served as an example to many otaku, growing teenagers etc.
She's sort of an example of our escapist minds.
But the best thing I learnt from her is to do whatever you think you want to do, go for your dreams and such. If you can't find it, keep finding.
Her hatred of the the normal also gave us many different ideas. If you are not normal, then don't bother being normal, just be out of the box and you'll probably be more successful or happy in life.
ShimatheKat
2008-11-21, 03:21
I never thought Haruhi's traits or hatred of normality was supposed to be positive at all.
Notice that, as the novels go on, she begins to settle with realizing that fun can be had in normal life, too...
I think the show is fairly anti-escapism, which, of course, is rather ironic, given the escapist nature of anime istelf.
I agree with this statement more than C.A.'s statement. In fact, I kinda prefer Sasaki. IF given the choice - that is, IF Kyoani does go this far.
There's a reason why I added a 'True' to True Haruhist lol
And there's a reason Haruhism has split into all sorts of -isms.
I've been using True Haruhist as the term to group people who really are Haruhists and not just fans of the show. Though a True Haruhist can also vary between someone who agrees or relates with Haruhi to someone who worship her fanatically for her ideals.
In the first place Haruhism was very simple especially because there weren't that many people who watched the show, but had considerally higher percentage who saw the wonder that was Haruhi-sama.
But as the popularity bursts exponentially, True Haruhists became rare as fans who did not view the story because of a core similarity became more. Today, in the enormous fanbase of Haruhi, True Haruhists are extremely rare.
ShimatheKat
2008-11-21, 04:28
There's a reason why I added a 'True' to True Haruhist lol
And there's a reason Haruhism has split into all sorts of -isms.
I've been using True Haruhist as the term to group people who really are Haruhists and not just fans of the show. Though a True Haruhist can also vary between someone who agrees or relates with Haruhi to someone who worship her fanatically for her ideals.
In the first place Haruhism was very simple especially because there weren't that many people who watched the show, but had considerally higher percentage who saw the wonder that was Haruhi-sama.
But as the popularity bursts exponentially, True Haruhists became rare as fans who did not view the story because of a core similarity became more. Today, in the enormous fanbase of Haruhi, True Haruhists are extremely rare.
Well, is that a Singapore or worldwide trend??
In my Singapore friend circle, most of my male friends don't really bother about Haruhi actually. Usually the females/hardcores. In Japan, of course, it's covering all genders.
The males that do, are usually Yukists.
The females are either Haruhiists (yes, PURE Haruhiists) or Sasakiists (if they have the book until that far)
The hardcores are either Kyonists or Haruhiists.
The perverts are Mikuruists.:heh:
There are a lot of followers of St. Nagato-chi
Well, is that a Singapore or worldwide trend??
In my Singapore friend circle, most of my male friends don't really bother about Haruhi actually. Usually the females/hardcores. In Japan, of course, it's covering all genders.
The males that do, are usually Yukists.
The females are either Haruhiists (yes, PURE Haruhiists) or Sasakiists (if they have the book until that far)
The hardcores are either Kyonists or Haruhiists.
The perverts are Mikuruists.:heh:The Singaporean males I meet are quite split 50/50 at True Haruhists and others, meaning majority are Haruhists who see Haruhi similar to what I do. My brother sees it the same as me, but he doesn't call her Haruhi-sama or pray to her like I do lol
I haven't found a single female who watched Haruhi, all guys, thats because I've been spreading Haruhiism in army until 2 months ago when I'm finally out.
I should really meet some female Haruhists.
In the first place, the True Haruhists I know are all from AS, Haruhi brought me into AS and I had the highest number of posts in this subforum while the show aired and shortly after. These True Haruhists are of course from all over the world. So you can call it worldwide.
In the first place there was only Haruhism, it was created by Kyoani and people followed into it. But then as popularity boomed, people realised they can't follow under Haruhism because they do not understand Haruhi or don't like her, this created other -isms. Which I kind of view them as mildly heretic/unorthodox lol, but its fine with me. Mainly the -ism attachment has degraded from its religious meaning to a fan tag. With -isms popping out of every other anime.
Haruhism in the first place to me is a real attempt at creating an almost religious belief in Haruhi.
And you don't check your visitors message? lol
I was asking whether you are going to the Anime Festival Asia.
ShimatheKat
2008-11-21, 05:00
The Singaporean males I meet are quite split 50/50 at True Haruhists and others, meaning majority are Haruhists who see Haruhi similar to what I do. My brother sees it the same as me, but he doesn't call her Haruhi-sama or pray to her like I do lol
I haven't found a single female who watched Haruhi, all guys, thats because I've been spreading Haruhiism in army until 2 months ago when I'm finally out.
I should really meet some female Haruhists.
In the first place, the True Haruhists I know are all from AS, Haruhi brought me into AS and I had the highest number of posts in this subforum while the show aired and shortly after. These True Haruhists are of course from all over the world. So you can call it worldwide.
In the first place there was only Haruhism, it was created by Kyoani and people followed into it. But then as popularity boomed, people realised they can't follow under Haruhism because they do not understand Haruhi or don't like her, this created other -isms. Which I kind of view them as mildly heretic/unorthodox lol, but its fine with me. Mainly the -ism attachment has degraded from its religious meaning to a fan tag. With -isms popping out of every other anime.
Haruhism in the first place to me is a real attempt at creating an almost religious belief in Haruhi.
And you don't check your visitors message? lol
I was asking whether you are going to the Anime Festival Asia.
Hm. I do call Haruhi "oharuhisama", but that's for fun and sarcasm. You mean there's people who REALLY treat her as God? OH GEASS NO! [Wait are you one of them? Or what is your religion?]
And for the Festival, no, that's because I'll be entertaining cousins from Canada. Sorry there!
(I thought replies to Visitor messages were made on the same place)
Hm. I do call Haruhi "oharuhisama", but that's for fun and sarcasm. You mean there's people who REALLY treat her as God? OH GEASS NO! [Wait are you one of them? Or what is your religion?]
And for the Festival, no, that's because I'll be entertaining cousins from Canada. Sorry there!
(I thought replies to Visitor messages were made on the same place)Oh yes, behind the fun and sarcasm, there is also partial truth. When you overdo it, you've already incooperated it into your life.
Religion? Reject your religion and replace it with your own! I'm only Buddhist because my parents are, heck I don't even know what Buddhism does. I'm more Haruhist than anything.
Not really praying, not as much as Christians do. But I thank Haruhi-sama in my mind when things go well and 'sorry Haruhi-sama' when things go wrong. I've even got this into the minds of my platoon who never even watch Haruhi.
In order to boost the morale of my platoon, I've been telling them that if shit happens, it means that my Goddess has prepared us something really good later on. She does not make things easy for us, if she's rewarding us, she will only do so so after we clear up the shit. The tougher the shit, the greater the reward we will recieve. This works not like they actually believe in a Goddess, but that its a great positive thinking method that I've adapted for our platoon and keeps us working.
This topic we're having here ties so well with the escapist topic in the general chat subforum. I've said something similar there, if you want to read it.
EDIT: And lol at visitors message, alright then, but the event really shouldn't be missed.
ShimatheKat
2008-11-21, 06:03
Oh yes, behind the fun and sarcasm, there is also partial truth. When you overdo it, you've already incooperated it into your life.
Religion? Reject your religion and replace it with your own! I'm only Buddhist because my parents are, heck I don't even know what Buddhism does. I'm more Haruhist than anything.
Not really praying, not as much as Christians do. But I thank Haruhi-sama in my mind when things go well and 'sorry Haruhi-sama' when things go wrong. I've even got this into the minds of my platoon who never even watch Haruhi.
In order to boost the morale of my platoon, I've been telling them that if shit happens, it means that my Goddess has prepared us something really good later on. She does not make things easy for us, if she's rewarding us, she will only do so so after we clear up the shit. The tougher the shit, the greater the reward we will recieve. This works not like they actually believe in a Goddess, but that its a great positive thinking method that I've adapted for our platoon and keeps us working.
This topic we're having here ties so well with the escapist topic in the general chat subforum. I've said something similar there, if you want to read it.
EDIT: And lol at visitors message, alright then, but the event really shouldn't be missed.
Oh no... I'm still Christian at the end of the day. That's why I watch CLANNAD After Story, I'm hoping for once that anime can spread proper values. Like the meaning of family, I think.
Oh - so you ARE a Haruhiist after all... I see.
Oh no... I'm still Christian at the end of the day. That's why I watch CLANNAD After Story, I'm hoping for once that anime can spread proper values. Like the meaning of family, I think.
Oh - so you ARE a Haruhiist after all... I see.I am serious when I call myself an Absolute Haruhist :D
But I don't impose this on others, I just let it be known. They like it, they accept it, pretty easy.
I just think that Religion is something that creates your way of life, gives you stuff like morals, principles, beliefs so that you can use it as your strength, driving force and such.
Haruhi may not have been a good example at morals, but that's not what I'm worshipping her for. Her energy and drive is the example I follow.
So what if the world is a boring and negative place, reject it and replace it with your own! Your life should be controlled by yourself, if it goes wrong, make it straight again, be positive about it.
Gurren Lagann gives me the similar inspiration. And also Adam's 'I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!', nobody watches Mythbusters here?
kyon.haruhi.suzumiya
2008-11-30, 07:54
I am serious when I call myself an Absolute Haruhist :D
But I don't impose this on others, I just let it be known. They like it, they accept it, pretty easy.
I just think that Religion is something that creates your way of life, gives you stuff like morals, principles, beliefs so that you can use it as your strength, driving force and such.
Haruhi may not have been a good example at morals, but that's not what I'm worshipping her for. Her energy and drive is the example I follow.
So what if the world is a boring and negative place, reject it and replace it with your own! Your life should be controlled by yourself, if it goes wrong, make it straight again, be positive about it.
Gurren Lagann gives me the similar inspiration. And also Adam's 'I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!', nobody watches Mythbusters here?
Hmm. Well, I guess Haruhi would be disappointed with you. I think that what Haruhi wants is for people to find their own purpose in life, not letting anyone/anything control their lives. You have a choice, Haruhi wants you to choose to live your life to the fullest. She doesn't really what to be worshipped - she wants you to have fun. Really, at least that's what I feel.
Hmm. Well, I guess Haruhi would be disappointed with you. I think that what Haruhi wants is for people to find their own purpose in life, not letting anyone/anything control their lives. You have a choice, Haruhi wants you to choose to live your life to the fullest. She doesn't really what to be worshipped - she wants you to have fun. Really, at least that's what I feel.Well, isn't that the same as I've described? At least what you said about finding purpose in life and such.
Like I said, its the energy and drive that I follow, it allows me to do what I want to do and carry on towards my purpose in life with that energy.
Whether she wants to be worshipped or not, its not what we know and whether she can stop us from doing so.
But, Haruhism as a religion, though created by Kyoani in the first place, is already telling us to worship her. And everything in the anime is presented to us in the will of Haruhi-sama.
kyon.haruhi.suzumiya
2008-11-30, 08:21
Well, isn't that the same as I've described? At least what you said about finding purpose in life and such.
Like I said, its the energy and drive that I follow, it allows me to do what I want to do and carry on towards my purpose in life with that energy.
Whether she wants to be worshipped or not, its not what we know and whether she can stop us from doing so.
But, Haruhism as a religion, though created by Kyoani in the first place, is already telling us to worship her. And everything in the anime is presented to us in the will of Haruhi-sama.
Haruhiism is a way to milk fans, not a religion per se. Unless you follow a REALLY fundemental description of religion, as used in my chruch- placing the item as your purpose in life. THAT is not what she wants. SHe wants people to find their real purpose in life, not dreaily pass day after another day without meaning.
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