The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 14]

[Catgirls]

Welcome to the discussion thread for Suzumiya Haruhi (also know as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya).

The final episode. Or is it?

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[Catgirls]

Please note: This thread is for discussing Episode 14. If you would be so kind, please post your overall series thoughts/impressions in the Suzumiya Haruhi Final Thoughts & Overall Series Impressions (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=33678) thread and not here.

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[justinstrife]

Looking forward to seeing a 'certain' scene that should seal the relationship between Haruhi and Kyon. :)

[Major Kerina]

And I'm dying to see if they leave a hint as to the 2nd season/ OAV followup ^^

[FatPianoBoy]

After seeing all the chronologically later stories, I'm not sure how much that experience really affected their relationship :(

And yeah, I'm on the lookout for hints of follow-up, too. If Kyo-Ani knows whats good for them (and they seem to, lately), there will be moar! :mad:

[Major Kerina]

Has it already aired in Japan or not yet? I know I heard 12 but I wasn't sure if it was night or afternoon.

[C.A.]

Has it already aired in Japan or not yet? I know I heard 12 but I wasn't sure if it was night or afternoon.The show has always been airing at 12 midnight lol

[Major Kerina]

Ok, cleared up ^^ Thanks


...except for...is that midnight 7/2 or midnight 7/3 technically?

[Jacalee]

It will be airing at midnight July 2nd in Japan or at noon July 2nd in USA...

[Pakxenon]

It will be airing at 7:00am PST (in 5 hours).

I can't believe the season's already over... =(

Now to (thought a little late...) convert people to Haruhiism while forcing them to watch the whole series...

[myopius]

Now to (thought a little late...) convert people to Haruhiism while forcing them to watch the whole series...
I'll probably be showing a couple episodes to the local anime club tomorrow :D

Already spoiled myself on the novel chapter this episode corresponds to, but I definitely anticipate this episode. Quite a bit that I'd be interested to see how they display. Aye, can't believe it's over, they'd better make a second season....

(will edit this post with comments)

Edit:

I figured they would have difficulty bringing this chapter into visual, and they did. Still, they did well with what they have. I watched the episode in poor quality, so maybe I missed an important frame due to choppiness, but they also seem to have underfocused on the climax of the episode. Doesn't do the photo from the novel justice, if you all know the one I refer to. Still, very fun. They packed it all in there (chapter and epilogue) amazingly, though they overlaid the OP and cut out the ED. I'd give it 7.8 out of 10, though most of the other episodes are ~9.

[Prodigious]

Last episode? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

God I bet it's going to be the most amazing episode of the series. Knowing KyoAni, it's gonna blow our brains out. And I'm sure there's going to be hints for a follow up, but it'll be really vague and more of a tease than a confirmation.

[Kisuke06]

Sad, last episode. But I hope it will be an excellent one. ^^

[IchiKyo]

http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/3143690.htm

it's finished now T_T

[Noppapana]

by looking at the screens , its gonna be a better then ep 12

[stormy001_M1A2]

Oh well another series end. Frankly speaking, I wish they will not make any more sequels. Sequel will kill the appeal of the story, 14 eps is short and sweet.

There is only so much jokes you can pull before it becomes old.

[Noppapana]

Oh well another series end. Frankly speaking, I wish they will not make any more sequels. Sequel will kill the appeal of the story, 14 eps is short and sweet.

There is only so much jokes you can pull before it becomes old.

i will have to disagree with you
most jokes are unique in every ep
beside there are a lot of things remained unanswered
besides the advertures of the sos-dan are unlimited

i wouldnt mind to see a sequel .... its my 2 cents

[Incoan]

Oh well another series end. Frankly speaking, I wish they will not make any more sequels. Sequel will kill the appeal of the story, 14 eps is short and sweet.

There is only so much jokes you can pull before it becomes old.

Well, firstly, this series is not all about comedy . And even so , the Suzumiya Haruhi jokes can not get old , because they have been mostly unique from episode to episode.

And secondly , it is very unlikely that a second season would kill the appeal of the story, because there is already enough material (and by the time they make a sequel , there will be more . That is if they do make it :) ) from the novels to further advance the plot and develop the characters, so a sequel will not be based purely on the demands of fans with a spontaneously made-up plot. And from the reviews of those who had read the novels it seems that there is so much more interesting stuff that awaits us XD . Again , that is if KyoAni does make a sequel.

[C.A.]

HOLY the raws are OUT! This early!!!

[arias]

Ha.. Ha.. Haru-chan!!!!!!!!!

[C.A.]

But damn! There's so many people to one seed, the torrent isn't moving at all lol!

EDIT: Oh no, it just started!

[The Sphinx]

But damn! There's so many people to one seed, the torrent isn't moving at all lol!

EDIT: Oh no, it just started!
Wow, availability just exploded in the last two minutes.

[Starks]

HOLY the raws are OUT! This early!!!

Why wouldn't it be?

Also, the availability sucked for the last few minutes due to an issue on my end.

[C.A.]

Why wouldn't it be?

Also, the availability sucked for the last few minutes due to an issue on my end.You deserve much cookies lol

[stormy001_M1A2]

That depends if sponsors willing to throw money to make the sequel. Like it or not, the top players are still shows like Detective Conan (Case Closed) and Naruto. Haruhi is still a fringe anime and it is rather difficult to see how it can have a sequel.

Make no mistake, I do like the show but there is so much material you can pull with the characters presented in the show. The 2nd season will wear off the novelty very fast.

[Starks]

Hidden folder FTW!

[Omniscient]

Final Episode Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/07/02/suzumiya-haruhi-no-yuuutsu-14-end/)

A good ending to a great series. I kinda wish they had given up a closer up shot to the kiss, but oh well. The music during that scene was great. Kyon's little sister was as cute as usual too, as was Mikuru.

[Deathkillz]

That depends if sponsors willing to throw money to make the sequel. Like it or not, the top players are still shows like Detective Conan (Case Closed) and Naruto. Haruhi is still a fringe anime and it is rather difficult to see how it can have a sequel.

Make no mistake, I do like the show but there is so much material you can pull with the characters presented in the show. The 2nd season will wear off the novelty very fast.
i agree seen as suzumiya haruhii is such a unique anime its kinda hard for some (younger viewers) to appreciate or understand...and the fact that the story is already wierd (in a good kind way :D) a sequel would be hard to follow in the first's footstep...if done badly it would be better if we dnt see it as it would affect the first season's greatness...

[IchiKyo]

Good Watch for the Final for All :)

Now time to get the RAW and Finish

Thanks for everything Starks, Even if you begin on RAW4

[Major Kerina]

The file seems sorta small (they've been 233 megs up till now)...I hope it's the right one...

[arias]

The file seems sorta small (they've been 233 megs up till now)...I hope it's the right one...

It is; I've finished watching it.

Solid finale, and as mentioned by one of the posters in his blog; the ending didn't have the overwhelming feeling that other recent series did, including FSN. But I think that's only because there wasn't a real loss in SuzuHaru, it's not a tragedy. In fact, it ends off promising a new start..

Kyon's sister was really adorable this episode : B And Haruhi with ponytail.. : BB. Well, that's that for the series I guess.

[Prodigious]

My head just exploded.

[Jacalee]

I got the RAW!
KyotoAni does make a pecfect ending for this series.

~eagerly waiting for subs~

Yuki san finally unfolded her tender feeling to Kyon!
So cool!

[Water]

Let's all demonstrate in front of Kyoani studio if they decide not to make a sequel. :D

This series is too good to be dropped off.

[Major Kerina]

Rather writing to Nagaru Tanigawa might be more effective since he was the most creatively involved and so far as that, he's very agreeable to the notion. My hope is they get the same team involved. But encouragement to KyoAni from fans worldwide and constant pestering that we love it should help with them putting it next after their Kanon remake, I'd think.

http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2006/06/28/wednesday_notes_june_28.php

[rain...]

Just finished watching... and WOW!!! I loved this episode's surreal experience. Unreal yet true. Back to watching it again.

[Major Kerina]

@_@ *stares at the clock and anticipates the sub*...@_@;;;; *debates a speed course in Japanese* This is just nerve-wracking especially with AX news floating in and not knowing -_-;;;

[The Sphinx]

I like the storybook quality of the scenes when Kyon is lying to Taniguchi about Yuki.


http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6162/yukistory1ua.jpg

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well I guess I was right about interpreting the novel as having Haruhi not want to live in a world without the other people in the brigade. Either that or the kiss made her realize how the other world isn't so bad after all and that there are people there that care about her. It took Kyon this long (a month) to stop being such a jerk and be nice to her though instead of sarcastic, what a guy.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Rather writing to Nagaru Tanigawa might be more effective since he was the most creatively involved and so far as that, he's very agreeable to the notion. My hope is they get the same team involved. But encouragement to KyoAni from fans worldwide and constant pestering that we love it should help with them putting it next after their Kanon remake, I'd think.

http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2006/06/28/wednesday_notes_june_28.php

The problem is the author or Kyoto Animation is not really have much say if there is going to be sequel. But sponsors are going to be one. And like it or not, foreign fanbase did not really register much on their radar for some strange reason despite the growth of anime viewing outside Japan.

Though globalization hopefully get into their head? Maybe. Or not.

[dxgarten]

Episode 14 screencaps and impression (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/suzumiya_haruhi_no_yuuutsu_ep14.html)

What a pleasant ending to a great series. Here's hoping there will be a second season.

[SailorMoon4ever]

; ; so the day finally came after watching the finale episode it' saddens me to see this end ...

[Shirobane]

Beautifully produced ending as expected from KyoAni and for once in a long time, I'm not disappointed in the ending of an anime series. With the exception of the shinjin destruction being slightly underwhelming, everything else was portrayed on par or better than the novel.

Very happy that KyoAni decided to keep chapter 6 and 7 together as it in a way asserts that Haruhi has found her uniqueness in the "normal" world

Awaiting subs for final judgement.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Great ending to a great show. Emotionally perfect. Haruhi is one of the great anime characters, and Hirano Aya's is a great performance. And Kyon's pretty special himself....Unreal yet true....Exactly.

[Prodigious]

Kyon wasn't a complete jerkoff this episode woohoo!

I thought the intro scene with his sister was so adorable and heartwarming. The end with Mikuru was nice as well.

[Major Kerina]

@_@...I never knew someone doing your hair could be so terrifying...(for Mikuru). Although I kinda missed if she said something threatening to Mikuru.

[C.A.]

This episode is simply beautiful, and the only episode I think that is better than the novels.

Kyon/Taniguchi section was hiliarious, Kyon/Mikuru section was fan to watch.

The climax was perfect.

Now that Haruhi-sama has found her reason to get out of melancholy, the rest of us will begin entering it.

Perfect 10 episode.

[tritoch]

Heh, I was right on how Kyon found out Mikuru's birthmark on her boobs. WOOT!

and i haven't read the manga to boot.

Awesome ending? Or is it? This is episode 6 :heh:

[The Sphinx]

Kinda wished they had shown Haruhi without her stockings on...

[Major Kerina]

It's weird but I'm noticing that in this episode

Kyon's sister seems eerily like Mikuru sometimes...if she said "Classified Information" then I'd be truly freaked. X_X That would best Back to the Future for disturbing family relations if he actually had the hots for his sister...or maybe Mikuru is just a great-great-great-great grandkid of her

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1808/suzumiyaharuhi14large178va.jpg

[Prodigious]

That point has been discussed to death in threads going all the way back to her first appearance.

And we've all come to the conclusion that she is related to Mikuru in some way. Right? RIGHT?!

[velocity7]

I loved this episode, 10/10 from me. I may be a Yuki Nagato fan, but in the end Haruhi x Kyon is probably the most heartwarming to me.

Oh yeah, I loved when Imouto pulled Kyon out of bed like that. What a drag. :)

I also loved it when Kyon put out that bullshit story about Nagato, with the dialogue bubble responses:
Taniguchi: "うそつけ。" Kyon: ”ちぇー" :heh:

[arias]

It's weird but I'm noticing that in this episode

Kyon's sister seems eerily like Mikuru sometimes...if she said "Classified Information" then I'd be truly freaked. X_X That would best Back to the Future for disturbing family relations if he actually had the hots for his sister...or maybe Mikuru is just a great-great-great-great grandkid of her

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1808/suzumiyaharuhi14large178va.jpg

Or maybe, she isn't really his sister after all. Don't forget, she isn't given a name in either the anime or the novel series --- all she has to her is "imouto" (sister). I wouldn't be suprised if what you were suggesting came to fruit in some significant way, except that it's nothing incestual.

[Major Kerina]

Very true but wouldn't Kyon have noticed it? Also yeah, she could've been adopted or some such. (although didn't know about the debate. Gomen ^^;; )

[kari-no-sugata]

The thought occurs...

You sometimes get the theme or remark of "if you were the last guy left in the world"... If you do the rather obvious reading between the lines for the events in this ep, it makes for a rather sweet inversion of that - Haruhi won't contemplate a world without Kyon :) Another way of looking at it is that she likes (loves) Kyon just the way he is.

Better than your typical "confession scene" eh :D

[panzerfan]

..yet, why is it that Haruhi would think of "why're you here of all people" when it comes to Kyon being in the enclosed space with her? (that's for another season of Haruhi to unravel.)

I love what I see from this episode actually, although I was hoping that Kyoani would take a little bit more time and paint a deeper picture. Anyway...

What I loved is the moment when Kyon wakes up and laments the lameless of Snow White.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

The thought occurs...

You sometimes get the theme or remark of "if you were the last guy left in the world"... If you do the rather obvious reading between the lines for the events in this ep, it makes for a rather sweet inversion of that - Haruhi won't contemplate a world without Kyon :) Another way of looking at it is that she likes (loves) Kyon just the way he is.

Better than your typical "confession scene" eh :D

I ever wonder how much Kyon sees in Haruhi and if he holds the same amount of affection(subconsciously) that she holds for him? Thanks to the series shuffling of the episodes, I've lost the consistency to measure. :confused:

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well, Kyon did seem to be more mellow in his responses to her. The baseball ep where they have a short argument, usually Haruhi would not give in so easily but she did after Kyon said few things to her. And notice the subtle smile between them, signifying some form of bond between them.

The baseball ep 4 (ep7) will be right after the ep 14 (6).

The murder mystery eps also shows that Haruhi actually have concern for him. The space battle LAN, Haruhi actually look a bit ticked off when Kyon paid more attention to Yuki during negotiation with Computer Society President. The concert ep is where, interestingly, Haruhi hold his hand and he just meekly protesting, not trying very hard at it.

The list goes on.

[Major Kerina]

There wouldn't happen to be a translated transcript of the show, would there? I know there's the novel translation but I know it changed some.

[dkellis]

OMG OMG

THE MUSIC

OMG THE MUSIC IS AWESOME

MY FAVOURITE BGM TRACK AT THE BEGINNING

AND AGAIN AT THE END

PIANO VERSION

OMG OMG

*explodes into little bitty happy pieces*

Oh yeah, and there was something about blue giants or something. Seemed kind of interesting and important BUT OMG THE MUSIC.

[Major Kerina]

The music rocked ^^ especially from 16 minutes in to after 19 minutes. After 19 minutes especially...*swoon*

[Kaioshin Sama]

OMG OMG

THE MUSIC

OMG THE MUSIC IS AWESOME

MY FAVOURITE BGM TRACK AT THE BEGINNING

AND AGAIN AT THE END

PIANO VERSION

OMG OMG

*explodes into little bitty happy pieces*

Oh yeah, and there was something about blue giants or something. Seemed kind of interesting and important BUT OMG THE MUSIC.


When the giants showed up the music reminded me of the Dog Fight music from Macross Plus for some reason. I kept expecting the YF-19 to come by and pinpoint barrier punch the Giants.

[dkellis]

When the giants showed up the music reminded me of the Dog Fight music from Macross Plus for some reason. I kept expecting the YF-19 to come by and pinpoint barrier punch the Giants.

Oddly enough I didn't even notice most of the music in between. I was aware that there was some dramatic-sounding music during the appearance of the giants, but it was kind of incidental.

But the beginning, and the ending. The same tune, different versions. My absolute favourite BGM in the whole series.

SO IN LOVE.

I will actually pay good money to possess lengthy versions of both songs, and just those songs. (Of course, the Incredibly Overwrought Violins that herald Mikuru-abuse would be a nice bonus.)

[Truth-kun]

The background music is so good! It really gave the current situation much more life than it has. This episode didn't disappoint, and all the major points that I am looking for (as a novel reader) are there. Though probably not the best episode in the whole series, this comes close to second or third.

On the animation part, it is absolutely awesome. The "recap slideshow" shown in grayscale was so beautiful. Even the "analysis of dreams" (REM and stuff like that) were given the nerve-break animation that surely caught my attention. The closed space was so realistic (even the deafening silence can be heard!) that I thought I was in there with them.

All in all, a good conclusion to the arguably best Anime in Spring 2006. Now the second season awaits! :D

I was kinda disappointed though that they didn't magnify the "climax scene". T_T.

Was the BGM a classical piece by someone? If so, who knows the title? I'm gonna go look for it! XD

Oh yeah, I give this episode a 10.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Well, Kyon did seem to be more mellow in his responses to her. The baseball ep where they have a short argument, usually Haruhi would not give in so easily but she did after Kyon said few things to her. And notice the subtle smile between them, signifying some form of bond between them.

The baseball ep 4 (ep7) will be right after the ep 14 (6).

The murder mystery eps also shows that Haruhi actually have concern for him. The space battle LAN, Haruhi actually look a bit ticked off when Kyon paid more attention to Yuki during negotiation with Computer Society President. The concert ep is where, interestingly, Haruhi hold his hand and he just meekly protesting, not trying very hard at it.

The list goes on.

Well the thing is that it's mostly on Haruhi's side. I'm tempted to rename the episodes myself to their chronological order...

Other than that, the season was good and hopefully we'll get another.

[khryoleoz]

I agree with the background music. The music director has picked out some of my favorite music from my favorite composers. The Day of Sagittarius gave us Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe, Shostakovich's 7th Symphony, and Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony.

This time we have Mahler's 8th Symphony, which plays when the Shinjin emerges behind Kyon and all throughout the escape sequence. Outstanding!

[Pakxenon]

OMG THIS NEEDS A SECOND SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn’t like the music with them in the closed space. It was loud and disturbing the romance. :( [even thought there was no romance]

Otherwise, a perfect ending. I’m expecting them to open the second season with the conversation at the cafe when they were meeting at the end. Pretty funny! ^^

Imouto-chan ALMOST had a win in this episode. T_T I quoted myself.

[Major Kerina]

I just want to add ^^ 18:50 to around 19:30

or basically...
'ponytail' to Kyon kicking his legs around on the floor

Is easily in my greatest moments of anything file ^_^ *dies happy*

[Starks]

Out by AFK.

[C.A.]

Holy crap lol, this must be the fastest subbing ever!

[Major Kerina]

@_@ serious. They must've given up their entire weekend. *applauds a.f.k.*

[The Sphinx]

I haven't seen the a.f.k. sub of Episode 14 yet, but based on the quality of translation through the first 13 episodes, the difficulty of the source material (there is a LOT of talking in Haruhi), a.f.k.'s rock-solid schedule, and the extra effort it must have taken to get 14 done in one day, this is probably the most impressive fansubbing project I've witnessed. Thank you.

[Akuma-sama]

Well the thing is that it's mostly on Haruhi's side. I'm tempted to rename the episodes myself to their chronological order...

Already done it, although I kept them in the original order and added the episode number after; I.e:
[A.F.K]The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi - 01 - 11.avi
:P

And WOOT! Go AFK! My heroes! Here's a hug! :heh:

Edit: For blonde mistake.

[Sheba]

We should build an altar for the afk team!

[Truth-kun]

The raws came out rather early, so that might helped them with the subbing schedule.

[C.A.]

Well, the raws came out like 1 hour earlier, that doesn't mean the subs will be earlier by 14 hours lol

[arias]

#a.f.k. on IRC is full. I'm not sure I've ever seen this phenomenon.. mm.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

A.F.K. are just god-like in every conceivable way. As far as I can recall, they have beautifully and perfectly maintained a schedule throuhout the run of the show. "Oh, Haruhi's up. It must be Tuesday." I could almost set my watch by their releases. They have deviated from that schedule once (again, if memory serves me correctly), and that was to get this final episode out a day early.

A.F.K. and Eclipse have spoiled me so badly. I hope the A.F.K. Haruhi team shows up in this thread and takes a well-deserved bow. They have been as amazing as the show.

[Major Kerina]

Hear Hear! ^^ *cheers a.f.k.*

[Sheba]

I freaking loved everything in this episode! The change of atmosphere between the two realities, the music (especially during the rampage of the Avatars), the awesome delivered by Kyon's narration, the cinematography, everything!
KyoAni outdid themselves in my book. It is my favourite ending, in my top 5 along with Gungrave, Cowboy Bebop, Kimagure Orange Road and Lodoss to Senki.
It leaves me so blue ;__;

EDIT: Yuki's typed line about Kyon and her vow to protect him made me melt.

[dkellis]

A.F.K. and Eclipse have spoiled me so badly. I hope the A.F.K. Haruhi team shows up in this thread and takes a well-deserved bow. They have been as amazing as the show.

Agreed. Checking the release dates on the series page, the only other time A.F.K. deviated from releasing on Tuesday was episode 2, which was also on that week's Monday. Other times, like Haruhi's hairstyle, regular as clockwork.

It's impressive. They deserve as many kudos and Internets as they get.

Thank you, A.F.K. Thank you all so very much.

[The Sphinx]

And the two episodes they released early are rather difficult to sub. Episode 2 was the first to show the OP so it had to be translated and typeset. Episode 14 had the longer-than-normal run time (because of the lack of OP and ED), and also the challenge of making Yuki's typed messages legible in English without obscuring the Japanese (masterfully done).

[Major Kerina]

The translation was amazing. I knew the gist from the novel translations but it really set the bar for anime fan-subs for me. I am so spoiled right now ^^;;; Thank you again everyone involved in a.f.k.

[Xinil]

Perfect ending. Absolutely freaking perfect ending. Good God this was a wonderful series. I couldn't have asked for a better ending in fact.

Perfect 10/10.

Kyon x Haruhi forever!

[C.A.]

Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:On another forum we discussed about the kiss is a forced kiss.

Who's the person who wanted a kiss? Who's the person who forced a kiss?

Did Kyon really wanted to kiss Haruhi? Did he force his kiss on her only because he wants to escape? Did Haruhi wished for a kiss? Did Haruhi wanted a kiss from Kyon so she brought Kyon and herself into the dream to get a kiss? Does this mean Haruhi forced Kyon to kiss her?

So who's the person who wanted a kiss? Both? None?

[Seyluun]

In the novel like in the anime, Kyon did (though it s not completly clear how much was his hand forced) and he himself don't know how Haruhi reacted since he kept his eyes closed. Notice than in the anime there is no close-up for the kiss, so the spectator can't catch the characters' expressions.

[Major Kerina]

Ahhh ^^ so that's why they did it far away

[Kamui4356]

I have to give this episode a 9. Very well done. The only real complaint I have is Kyon mentioning he was going to tell Haruhi about aliens, espers, and time travellers, but we never get to see that conversation. I was looking foward to that... Apart from that, I can't really see any flaws.

Now that the series is over, I think it's safe to say KyoAni has done it again. I just hope their next project can live up to the standards they've set with AIR, FMP, and now Suzumiya Haruhi. Bring on the Kanon remake!:D

It's weird but I'm noticing that in this episode

Kyon's sister seems eerily like Mikuru sometimes...if she said "Classified Information" then I'd be truly freaked. X_X That would best Back to the Future for disturbing family relations if he actually had the hots for his sister...or maybe Mikuru is just a great-great-great-great grandkid of her

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1808/suzumiyaharuhi14large178va.jpg
For disturbing family relations from time travel, little can top Futurama with: Fry being his own grandfather. :twitch: :heh:

In the novel like in the anime, Kyon did (though it s not completly clear how much was his hand forced) and he himself don't know how Haruhi reacted since he kept his eyes closed. Notice than in the anime there is no close-up for the kiss, so the spectator can't catch the characters' expressions.
We don't see their reactions, but Haruhi had her hair done up in a ponytail the next day, which would hint that she didn't find it completely unpleasent. ;)

[ApathyEcstasy]

i love it....what an awesome finale....but damn..with only 1/8th of the material used up (and more to be released as long as new novels will still be written and released)...there's no way they can stop there! for the love of God, and by God, i mean Suzumiya Haruhi, they HAVE to cover ALL the novel material that exists now, and will exist in the future, in anime format....THEY HAVE TO!

[C.A.]

About my question:Kyon forcing his kiss to Haruhi seems like it on the outside. But why did he do it? He was forced into doing this, you can say Haruhi forced him to kiss her.

Is this the reason why this dimension is created? To get a kiss from Kyon?

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty was poisoned/under a spell, that can only be cured by a kiss.

Did Haruhi cast this spell to get a kiss?

If Kyon forced a kiss, or was forced to give a kiss, is he really not happy and reluctant to kiss Haruhi?

Did Haruhi really wanted a kiss from Kyon, or did she not?i love it....what an awesome finale....but damn..with only 1/8th of the material used up (and more to be released as long as new novels will still be written and released)...there's no way they can stop there! for the love of God, and by God, i mean Suzumiya Haruhi, they HAVE to cover ALL the novel material that exists now, and will exist in the future, in anime format....THEY HAVE TO!Actually 14 episodes is around 1/4 of 8 novels. We should still be able to expect at least 2 seasons if kyoani wants to continue.

[Boxy-]

I'm totally in awe of this series, its been magnificent from conception to closure. I'm truely sad to see it finish, as i would have to rate it in my top 3 of all time if not my favourite of all time.

I would like to thank a.f.k for the abosolutely superb work they did with the fansubbing.

10/10 for the final episode, music was especially top knotch. Had many scenes that made me laugh out loud, and every part was packed with something funny/cute or introversely touching.

Just amazing...

[Radiosity]

Absolute perfect 10. I actually feel upset and sad that it's finished, while feeling very very satisfied with the awesome last episode and the series in general. I haven't felt like this after a series finished in a long long time :)

Here's hoping and praying for a season 2.

[Anime Online]

I had been reading the novels lately and I wasn't sure how KyoAni would visualize and animate some parts of the novel chapter, but KyoAni pulled through. Well-done!

I hope there'll be a season two after Kanon.

[Prodigious]

Alright, lets back the holy crap train up for a minute. I need to change my vote from a 10 to a 12. The dialogue changed the entire experience(only got to see the fansub a few min ago). It completely changed the dynamic for this episode. While I could easily tell what was going on for the most part in the raw, knowing the exact dialogue(and seeing what was on the computer screen) really blew me away. Everyone had awsome lines which topped everything else in the series imo. Also, watching it the second time made the awsome music stand out more.

I almost died when Kyon said that ponytails turned him on. Koizumi's Adam and Eve joke was executed perfectly espaecially flashing between the boy and girl's bathroom symbols. Yuki's convo on the computer and her final line were awsome. Made me smile.

Haruhi was a little too enthusiastic about getting chased by a giant, but that was to be expected.

I must say, the jumbled episode order really worked out. I can't really have imagined a better way to end the series. And somehow after seeing this episode I don't feel that the show needs a sequel. It would be nice, but this final ep really wrapped things up even though it takes place towards the beginning of the storyline.

Now I have to go watch the entire series in chronological order because knowing what I know now really changes the outlook of previous episodes and explains certain little hints and such that had been shown throughout the series. It also completely changes the perspective of Kyon and Haruhi's relationship. KyoAni really knew what they were doing. If things had been done chronologically certain moments would have seemed rushed and others would have felt like filler. This way everything fits perfectly. And unlike most shows where knowing the ending sort of lessens the experience of rewatching previous episodes, the major plot point occurs relatively early on(chronologically) and serves to enhance everything else.

[Radiosity]

Now I have to go watch the entire series in chronological order because knowing what I know now really changes the outlook of previous episodes and explains certain little hints and such that had been shown throughout the series.

Yeah, me too. Little things like Mikuru telling Kyon not to be nice to her in the baseball ep, which finally makes sense after watching this ep :D

[C.A.]

Of course Haruhi is happy to be chased by a giant lol, this world is created exactly the way she wanted, meaning a perfect world for her. To be alone with the person she loves, escaping from danger, not knowing what the future holds.

And I shouldn't have posted my question in the middle of the 'holy crap train(lol nice way to put things, Prodigious)'.

I repeat the updated version of my question:

Kyon forcing his kiss to Haruhi seems like it on the outside. But why did he do it? He was forced into doing this, you can say Haruhi forced him to kiss her.

Is this the reason why this dimension is created? To get a kiss from Kyon?

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty was poisoned/under a spell, that can only be cured by a kiss.

Did Haruhi cast this spell to get a kiss?

If Kyon forced a kiss, or was forced to give a kiss, is he really not happy and reluctant to kiss Haruhi?

Did Haruhi really wanted a kiss from Kyon, or did she not?

[Anime Online]

The jumbled order of the anime heightens the impact of the story elements. It's like putting the puzzle pieces together and going "ooooh!" when you get the fuller picture.

Indeed, if episode14 were shown first, the impact of Mikuru going "If you are nice to me, it'll happen again" during episode 4 would not be as great.

[LCeh]

Actually, C.A., I think the better question is, why did the kiss get them back to the old world? Why did Haruhi decide that she wants to go back to the old world again after the kiss?

I think if we know the answer to that, we might know the answer to your question as well.

[C.A.]

Actually, C.A., I think the better question is, why did the kiss get them back to the old world? Why did Haruhi decided that she wants to go back to the old world again after the kiss?

I think if we know the answer to that, we might know the answer to your question as well.My question already questioned that and I answered it in my own way.

Haruhi turns herself into Snow White/ Sleeping Beauty, she wants a kiss from Kyon to wake her up from this dream.

Other versions I heard is the kiss shocked Haruhi into 'waking up', apparently the data Haruhi generated froze or something and the both of them flew back into the previous world.

I think it was discussed earlier on in the speculation thread.

[MarcusG]

Is this the last episode?

[C.A.]

Is this the last episode?Yes it is and also this episode does not have a next episode preview to confirm that.

[LCeh]

I see, I think I get what you are saying now. So let's just take the theory of her playing the role of snow white and got woken up from her dream as the correct one for now and give a crack at the questions.

Kyon forcing his kiss to Haruhi seems like it on the outside. But why did he do it? He was forced into doing this, you can say Haruhi forced him to kiss her.

Yes, he was definitely forced to kiss her. He kissed her hoping that he could return to the old world.

Is this the reason why this dimension is created? To get a kiss from Kyon?

I think it was mentioned that the dimension was created as a sort of "stress relief" for Haruhi? If that was the case, I think we can also assume this to be true, she wanted more from Kyon, since she was obviously jealous of what's going on between him and Mikuru, and so this big fuss came upon them.

If Kyon forced a kiss, or was forced to give a kiss, is he really not happy and reluctant to kiss Haruhi?

I have two things to mention here. One, Kyon did say that she was more than just a classmate to him, but he never said that he liked her in a romantic way either.

The second thing is, the baseball episode. When Koizumi mentioned this incident to Kyon, he refused to do it again, which probably suggests that he didn't really want to kiss her at that time.

Did Haruhi really wanted a kiss from Kyon, or did she not?

I think Haruhi definitely wanted a kiss from Kyon, simply because after that, she got a ponytail.

[Thelastguardian]

Kyon forcing his kiss to Haruhi seems like it on the outside. But why did he do it? He was forced into doing this, you can say Haruhi forced him to kiss her.

Is this the reason why this dimension is created? To get a kiss from Kyon?

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty was poisoned/under a spell, that can only be cured by a kiss.

Did Haruhi cast this spell to get a kiss?

If Kyon forced a kiss, or was forced to give a kiss, is he really not happy and reluctant to kiss Haruhi?

Did Haruhi really wanted a kiss from Kyon, or did she not?
1. So that Haruhi thinks, "Ahh the real world is interesting. There is a person I like that likes me back. Maybe being in the real world is not so bad afterall. I am sure more interesting things will happen between us!"
For Kyon, he did it to...save the world?
KyoAni skipped Kyon's monologue in that scene; Here is the original novel monologue right before his "sweet talk"

I got it! Didn't Asahina say something about it? That prophecy! And Nagato's last message. Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. Please, even I know what Sleeping Beauty means! What is the similarity between these two stories? In our dire situation, the answer was practically shouting out loud.
Man, this is so lame.
It's way too lame! Asahina, Nagato. I'll never accept such a development! Never!
My rationality insisted on that. But humans were never a lifeform that relied only on reason to survive. Maybe they needed a bit of what Nagato called "mixed-up data". I let go of Haruhi's hand, grabbed her shoulder, and turned her towards me.




Yeah. You can say everyone forced him to kiss Haruhi.

2. Who knows. Next?

3. Who knows. If you can answer the second question, you can answer this one; I don't think so, personally.

4. The quote answered this question already.

5. If she didn't want the kiss, the worlds (both) would have been destroyed.

[arcticphoenix16]

The second thing is, the baseball episode. When Koizumi mentioned this incident to Kyon, he refused to do it again, which probably suggests that he didn't really want to kiss her at that time.


Umm, you wanna admit to the school that you're in a relationship with Haruhi?? I can understand Kyon's reluctance :D

Great episode. The ending left me satisfied, and HAPPY!!

Man and Woman #1:
Man: "i love you!"
Woman: "i love you too!"
*kiss

Man and Woman #2:
Man: "you're hot!"
Woman: *blushes
*kiss

Man and Woman #3:
Man: "You looked so good in a ponytail that it was almost criminal."
Woman: "Huh???"
*kiss

No doubt, Kyon owned all the guys on earth.

[Orchunter226]

Wow, that last episode was "so good it was almost criminal." I gotta say, that I REALLY HOPE that a second season is on the way. But if there is no second season, I can be content that such an excellent anime series was ever shown.

I think that when Kyon kissed her it sent the back because she wanted things to be the way they were that brought Kyon and her together, which wasn't the situation it was in, it was all the things before that, and her ponytail :D.

[C.A.]

lol I guess the ponytail truly is a reward for Kyon.

And for whether both worlds will be destroyed, we aren't really sure, because Haruhi could probably shape this world as she likes just like the original world. Itsuki also mentioned that the destruction by the shinjin will spread and the space will become larger, eventually taking over the previous world, making this world the new world. I think if anything would happen, the world that Haruhi is in will always be the final one to remain.

[Shirobane]

I have to give this episode a 9. Very well done. The only real complaint I have is Kyon mentioning he was going to tell Haruhi about aliens, espers, and time travellers, but we never get to see that conversation. I was looking foward to that... Apart from that, I can't really see any flaws.


But you must admit, that it was a beautiful way of ending things in referencing what started the adventures of SOS団.

I now have to upgrade the rating for this ending from a great ending to a super-awesome-totally-amazing ending. This episode simply does not lose its wow factor. I completely agree with Prodigious, the entire episode changed when you can see that each line was delivered with amazing precision.

@C.A.: I don't think Haruhi specifically wanted a kiss form Kyon. The dimension was created because of Haruhi's boredom and we know that she feels bored because she isn't living a life different from anyone else's. This is why her eyes shine with such intensity when she first laid eyes on a shinjin. She created a reality where she's unique. All its inhabitants are not "normal" or human except for Kyon. Now as for why that kiss brought about the destruction of the created reality, it would again have somehting to do with her uniqueness.

First of all, I'm going to apologize ahead of time for being sappy. Now that that's out of the way, it's simply because Haruhi felt special by recieving Kyon's affection. Broadening the scope a little, Kyon was the only person (at the time, as we see later on, the school band ENOZ also treated her as an equal and not some random nutcase) to treat Haruhi as an equal and not a nutcase despite numerous warnings. In a way he's accepted Haruhi's oddities. So it's not that Haruhi liked Kyon since the first time she laid eyes on him, but she felt special by recieving the affection of someone who accepts her for who she is (for some reason I feel like that book from Chobits right now...)
Thus because of Kyon's kiss she felt a sense of uniqueness in the old boring world, and decided to give it another chance (reason why the dimension did not immediately collapse when they first kissed.)

So kiss or not, Haruhi would have won the day. She would have been unique in her world of "abnormalities" but she decided to give the old reality another shot because she felt that she had gained an identity by being "loved" (yes in quotes because a kiss does not equate to love) by someone who accepts her for who she is.

In Kyon's case, we've seen many times during the series where he shows a slight hint of compassion towards Haruhi. So forced or not, I'd think he'd at least enjoyed it despite his grimace. :heh:

Oh right the episode, 10/10 + a million more. A very fun ride and an excellent ending. Massive kudos to A.F.K. for their efforts in bringing us Haruhi :D

[C.A.]

Well, this question caused quite a few pages of discussion on the other forum I visit, I expect quite alot of different opinions lol

It originally start when someone says that the show will end normally like any other anime, with the male character forcing a kiss on the female character. I don't think this is a normal forced kiss.

[lana3007]

Well, that was a great ending to a great series. It was a good idea to leave this episode till the end. It painted everything that happened after it in a different light.

As for the whole kiss thing let's put it this way: we can all say for a fact that Haruhi likes Kyon. But if anyone was to ask her what she thinks about him she would call him an idiot. I doubt she even fully realized what made her so angry about Kyon's crash on Mikuru up until now. I get the feeling that Kyon's feelings for her are identical to that: his rational mind tells him she is an idiot and yet he still spends time with her. I think after this incident they both got more of an idea of how much the other one means to them, but they are both more likely to shoot themselves than admitting openly that they like each other.

[diopter]

I think people have to realize to not always take Kyon's speeches/monologues seriously, or at the very least, literally. It's like people saying "I don't want you to do this" but in reality they really do, but they just can't say it or admit it to themselves. I don't think he loved her per say, but he wasn't as disgusted as his monologues would suggest to some. We got to remember that sarcasm is big with Kyon. I think Kyon was more on the line of confused or indifferent rather than "eww noooo~~!"

Regarding to whether Haruhi wanted or liked the kiss, yea as people have pointed it out, the ponytail says it all. I really liked how the scene was executed. Kyon didn't specifically mention the ponytail because I don't think he can bring himself to say that out loud to Haruhi's face, he just simply said "looks good on you" with the focus on Haruhi's hair. That sealed the deal for me; KyoAni did an outstanding job.

Oh, and the Mikuru scene at the end was purely awesome. I read the novels so I knew what was going to happen, but man I cracked up laughing nonetheless. Her "Kyaaa~~!!" has more cute's than what I can handle.

[Orchunter226]

Well, that was a great ending to a great series. It was a good idea to leave this episode till the end. It painted everything that happened after it in a different light.

As for the whole kiss thing let's put it this way: we can all say for a fact that Haruhi likes Kyon. But if anyone was to ask her what she thinks about him she would call him an idiot. I doubt she even fully realized what made her so angry about Kyon's crash on Mikuru up until now. I get the feeling that Kyon's feelings for her are identical to that: his rational mind tells him she is an idiot and yet he still spends time with her. I think after this incident they both got more of an idea of how much the other one means to them, but they are both more likely to shoot themselves than admitting openly that they like each other.

Yea pretty much. They both can sense deep down they like each other, but don't want to admit it to themselves. I think that's why in the eps. after this you see them fighting, but holding hands in tight spots (cliff anyone) and playing the rain happily. The both are starting to come to terms with how they feel after this incident (even if Haruhi thinks it was a dream), and realize what they mean to each other.

[C.A.]

Actually we have to take everything he says serious, but at the same time know that he is always sarcastic, we just have to access his actual meanings. Its especially true for the novels, because everything shown and told in the novels are his observations.

[slayer]

very good episode.. I honestly didn't want the series to end right there but hell it teaches us that no matter how good anime is, our own lives are just as or more intresting so go out there and live your life.

[Wandering_Youth]

Wow, Haruhi looked so mental in this episode. She smiled, awed and welcomed armageddon as it came.

I'm sort of content with this anime because it was good from start to finish, however there are a number of questions that yet to be explained.

What's Kyon's real name, damnit?!
We never see Haruhi's parents! I really wanted to see what they were like.


Lastly, I did not like her ponytail. :p

[Seyluun]

Neither did she apparently, it lasted what, 4 hours?

[Orchunter226]

Lastly, I did not like her ponytail. :p

I thought it was smexy enough. But apprently, it turns Kyon on lol. Whatever floats ur boat I guess.

[ChainLegacy]

I agree, think she looks better with long hair :P. This episode was entertaining and enjoyable. I didn't laugh as much as in some others, but it was just a satisfying watch all around.

[The Sphinx]

It's true he noticed her hair before he noticed anything else about her.

It's also true that she cut her hair the same day he commented on it, heh.

[dkellis]

My interpretation is that Kyon still hasn't (at this point in time) decided how he feels about Haruhi. It's obvious, even in the chronologically later episodes, that he still instinctively sees her as a nuisance and annoying and excessively overbearing and whatnot. At least, that's his first gut reaction if someone were to suddenly ask him what he thinks of her.

But if he were more honest with himself and thought about it a bit more, he'll probably realize that he doesn't mind being around her. In fact, he kind of enjoys her company. Obviously, it's going to take a lot more than is plausible before he'll admit that even to himself, but he does start to care for her. It probably started way back when he started talking to her at the beginning of the series, and gradually built up, sometimes with fits and jumps (like when she talked to him about why she wanted to look for aliens etc).

So during this incident, he didn't precisely plan on kissing Haruhi, and in fact thinks that it's far too cliche and out of place, but it's not incredibly unpleasant for him to do so. Right then, all he wanted was for the old world to come back, and so he took the only reasonable option available to him. (The ponytail remark, I believe, was partly to reassure himself that whatever else Haruhi was, she was still a fairly attractive girl. Also, he might be implicitly apologizing for the kiss.)

So if you wanted to really boil it all down to general basics, Kyon forced a kiss on Haruhi because he wanted something else from it (other than Haruhi's affections), and Kyon was forced to kiss Haruhi due to the circumstances, which were caused (however unconsciously/involuntarily) by Haruhi and thus technically her "fault".

I got the feeling that it wasn't so much that Kyon didn't want to kiss Haruhi because the person he was kissing was Haruhi. Rather, it was more that he felt that this was not his optimal solution, being very cliche. (Not only does the guy (almost) always kiss the girl at the end of many romance anime, it happened in the two classical stories mentioned in SHnY itself: Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, and plenty of others.) Basically, Kyon was railing against the bad plot writers of his life.

Now for Haruhi's motivations, which I think were slightly simpler. Haruhi wanted to be entertained, to have an exciting life, to experience something out of the ordinary. In the views of the other factions (Mikuru and Yuki), this could possibly be seen (from a Kenobi-esque point of view) to be "under a spell". Obviously the organizations watching Haruhi wanted the old universe to remain (status quo for now), since their existence in the new one was not guaranteed. So both the time-travellers and the Data Entity gave hints to Kyon on how to "wake the princess up", in order to bring her back to the "real (old) world".

Anyway. Haruhi was perfectly happy to have the new world be the "real" one (with the typical blaze of optimism and lack of consideration for consequences), and so Kyon needed a reason for her to think that the old one wasn't so bad after all. This was best done by giving her something unexpected and not unpleasant; a kiss fit the bill nicely.

I don't think Haruhi planned this, consciously or unconsciously, to have Kyon kiss her. It just doesn't seem plausible that she would orchestrate this entire sequence of events for that specific goal. Does Haruhi like Kyon? I think that she does, in a "good friend" kind of way for now. (Or perhaps "good underling".) She might be attracted to him (for listening to her and going along with her crazy schemes and actually talking intelligently to her and willing to disagree), and I think that there's definitely a seed of love in there (more than Kyon has for her, anyway), but at this point in time, Kyon is basically the underling that she considers a close friend, one she could trust. A kiss? Entirely unexpected, but probably welcome.

So here, it boils down to Haruhi forcing Kyon to kiss her (in the sense of "give me something new and unexpected and surprising"), and Haruhi being forcefully kissed (in that it was, well, unexpected).

I don't think that either of them had love on their minds, but the kiss was certainly a boost in that direction, however small.

On a tangent, I think that the kiss convinced Haruhi that the old world was worth living in largely because of a sentiment that has been mentioned several times, here and in other anime: "I want these days to carry on forever." So if Haruhi went back to the old familiar world, maybe she'll learn the meaning of the kiss, and learn what Kyon thinks of her, rather than living a life with blue giants and excitement but not really getting the opportunity to think about stuff like that. (Still, it is equally plausible that Kyon's kiss simply shocked her too much that she instinctively wanted to go back to the Old Familiar Ways. That works too.)

Or I could be completely groping in the dark here. It all makes sense in my head, though.

[Major Kerina]

The novel has a little bit more to say with "oh come on! this result is so cliche!" than the anime but it's a fair trade off.

On the whole I feel it's like Kyon has the hots for Mikuru but Haruhi is his destiny.

I really want to see how things play out in volume 4 of the novel (when translated) where, so i've heard...
Kyon has to own up to the fact he does have fun with Haruhi to restore her to the world

[Nvis]

Man, I just learned about sleep/dreaming and REM sleep a month ago. Also things about Freud(Sigmund). I didn't think it would come in handy in an anime!!??

[Major Kerina]

Yay for Scientific Sci-Fi themes!

[Thelastguardian]

http://www.haruhi.tv/mikuru/

[dkellis]

The novel has a little bit more to say with "oh come on! this result is so cliche!" than the anime but it's a fair trade off.

I've already started hearing complaints (on other forums/blogs, generally from people who haven't watched the anime or read the novel) that of course the main character gets to kiss the girl, that's so obviously cliche. And I always have to suppress myself from pointing out that yes, the main character agrees with them.

[tritoch]

A.F.K. did an awesome job. Kudos to the team!

As for ep 14 err episode 6, Live a Live was soo much a better series ender but no qualms here as this episode is also very good.

[The Sphinx]

I think everyone's overthinking this. The episode itself tells us a lot about what's going on and why. Starting at about 15:32...

Kyon and Haruhi begin to have this strange argument. I say strange because at first they seem to be talking past each other, and also because the topic of the argument is unconventional (how often do you debate with someone whether the world should continue to exist or not?)

Kyon asks Haruhi whether she wouldn't rather go back to the old world. He gives several reasons the new world would be undesirable: There doesn't seem to be anything to eat, the things Haruhi put so much effort into (SOS-Dan) don't exist anymore. Haruhi glibly deflects all these complaints because she has a feeling it will all work out in the end. At 16:06 Kyon says "I want to go back" and she hesitates for the first time.

Kyon's half of the argument takes a very interesting turn. He says "I found out something interesting after being thrown into this situation. I may complain all the time but I really liked how my life was." (emphasis added by me). That's a deep insight into Kyon's personality... Don't necessarily believe him when he complains about something. He complains about SOS-Dan perpetually but he never leaves. Is this because of some sense of duty to the human race? I believe he stays because he really likes the company, and he complains because that's just his personality. He gripes about Haruhi all the time too but that's no reason to think he dislikes her.

Then he mentions how much he's enjoyed being around his friends at school, including Mikuru, Itsuki, and Yuki (and surprisingly Asakura). Haruhi response is VERY interesting: "I'm sure we'll see them again. This world won't be covered in darkness forever. The sun will rise tomorrow." She's making a promise to Kyon to include those people in the new world. You could say the new world will be what Kyon wants it to be, at least in part.

Then Kyon flat out says that's not good enough. "I want to see the old them in the old world." Stop this new world business, it's not what I want. And THAT makes Haruhi let go of his hand and stop in her tracks.

"I don't get it. Weren't you fed up with that boring world? Didn't you want something more interesting to happen?" She looks like a kicked puppy. The most astounding part of this is... When has Kyon ever told her that he was bored with the old world? When has she ever said her goal was to make Kyon happy? I thought Haruhi was supposed to be the bored one! Isn't she a megalomaniac? Yet everything in her words and mannerisms here say she was trying to do this for Kyon, not herself!

Even more stunning is Kyon's response at 17:20: "I did indeed [want something interesting to happen]." This is completely against everything Kyon's told us to this point... He constantly gripes about just wanting to lead a normal life, about wishing he'd never met Haruhi. Hell, he even starts this episode with a monologue about how he wishes the time travelers, espers, and aliens would just tell Haruhi their stories and leave him alone! But there's really no reason for him to lie to Haruhi here... He's telling her the truth, and has been lying to us (and himself) this whole time.

The reason he wants to stay in the old world? Because there really are aliens, time travellers, and espers. Not because he wants to go back to a normal life, but because the old one was plenty abnormal already. He tells her that she's the center of the universe but doesn't realize it. That's not good enough for her... It's not good enough that everyone else thinks she's great. It's not good enough that Kyon's happy (though that's very, very important to her). She wants a reason to be happy in the old world too.

And then he kisses her.

[DufFuS101]

Heh, finnaly decided to join this forum due to all the interesting talk going on here, and partly because of Suzumiya Haruhi.

The finnal episode (er... or 6th episode?) of Haruhi was quite amazin and even went behond my expectations. The only real bad thing about it is that it's the last episode (sorta) before any new seasion is made. Makes me kinda piss that KyoAni decided that they need the animators for Kanon rather make this a full season series.

About how that kiss that stopped the closed space, I believe that she was distracted by it as Kyon called it in the novel "mixed up data" rather that her making the closed space for that purpose. After all the reason she created it was because she did not liked that old world because it was too boring. Regardless the kiss had a big meaning to her since she wanted Kyon to be with her in this new world, and even tied a pony tail the next day. I have to agrea with The Sphinx's post on why she needed a reason to like the old world.

Kyon on the other hand was pretty much forced to kiss her considering the situation he's in. He pretty much dodged the question on what he thinks about her in that moment but also kinda accept that he does not see her as just another person or some great deity like entity. Kyon is one of those guys that like to accept what would be considered the norm for everything. Regardless of what he may really think about her it would be like him accepting that he likes a insane and unpredictable girl who's looking for aliens, time travelers, and espers. Thats probably why he has an easy time admitting he likes Mikuru as she has a more normal personality dispite being a time traveler. There are many scenes that shows that they share a certain bond together and IMO he probably enjoyed that kiss but would rather commit suicide (or be forced to save the world :heh: ) before he admits that.

[Orchunter226]

I tend to agree with "The Sphinx" on this one. I think you nailed it.

[khryoleoz]

a.f.k. put out this title consistently fast and with great quality. By their effort, I found myself another favorite anime. I was afraid the title may go incomplete like Aishiteruze Baby, which I liked a lot too that a.f.k. did a couple of years ago that was suddenly dropped. I'm relieved that they stuck with Suzumiya Haruhi to the finish.

[KageSenshi]

sumthing have left me wondering until now .. the season already finished .. but 1 main question is still left unanswered .... or issit i missed it out somewhere??

the question -> what happened 3 years ago??? ...

in episode 7 (series order - 8 in chronology) , at the scene where only Haruhi, Kyon, and Nagato are in the clubroom , theres a line where Kyon mentioned about something happened during Tanabata 3 years ago ...


Kyon :
She's not going to start talking about what happened on Tanabata three years ago, right?
@ 05:27


that sumwhat implies Haruhi told sumthing to Kyon on episode 7 (chronological order - 4 in series) ..... did i miss sumthing???

or perhaps this will be resolved in a new season?? an episode that will fit in between episode 6 and 8 of the chronology?

[Lost]

http://www.haruhi.tv/mikuru/
ZOMG. Could it be?? The "deleted" snapshots of Mikuru that Kyon took off the web!! :heh: Looks like Haruhi prevailed. More more..

[The Sphinx]

sumthing have left me wondering until now .. the season already finished .. but 1 main question is still left unanswered .... or issit i missed it out somewhere??

the question -> what happened 3 years ago??? ...

in episode 7 (series order - 8 in chronology) , at the scene where only Haruhi, Kyon, and Nagato are in the clubroom , theres a line where Kyon mentioned about something happened during Tanabata 3 years ago ...



that sumwhat implies Haruhi told sumthing to Kyon on episode 7 (chronological order - 4 in series) ..... did i miss sumthing???

or perhaps this will be resolved in a new season?? an episode that will fit in between episode 6 and 8 of the chronology?

It'll probably take most of season 2 to answer that question.

[Devin]

Does anyone know what song the ending theme for the fansub creditis?? It's so beautiful.

[KageSenshi]

It'll probably take most of season 2 to answer that question.

Guess that a sequel can be guaranteed ... hope KyoAni will create it in near future ..

[Truth-kun]

Hmm, The Sphinx's analysis surprised me, and I think it is reasonable enough to agree with him.

Kyon "did" want that kind of life, as stated in Episode 2, but reality slapped him in the face once he got into Middle school -- that all of those: Time travellers, Aliens and Espers didn't exist. Which is why he said what he said: "I did indeed [want something interesting to happen].". My theory is even though his rational thinking would always stop him from believing, he still wished for the things that Haruhi wished for, and for that he is unconsiously attracted to her and the SOS-dan.

I agree that he might have been lying to us all this time, but it is only because his reason is speaking for him. He tends to disbelieve because he was once a believer.

@KageSenshi: That would probably be answered in the second season if they would follow my speculation (see speculation thread).

[Prodigious]

Obviously Kyon is sexually attracted to Haruhi. Anyone who denies this is just fooling themselves. Kyon is a typical teenager despite his instense sarcasm. And he values her as a friend or even more. However, I doubt that he is definitively in love, although I'm sure it could eventually progress to that point. The thought of seeing her undress certainly doesn't repulse him, but on the other hand he feels a romantic kiss at this point is more of a duty than a privledge.

Haruhi on the other hand is a bit more complex. Clearly she likes Kyon. The fact that she puts so much effort into degrading him and dragging him around proves this. However, again, it's probably not love at that point. Rather, Haruhi wants a companion to share in her adventures. Someone who wants the same thing. Kyon is that person(remember he used to be believe in all the stuff Haruhi does). Her fits of rage whenever Kyon fawns over Mikuru is part of her personality, not necessarily a sign of love. Haruhi always gets what she wants, so when someone starts encroaching on her "property" she's not going to be happy. Why she tries to tempt Kyon with Mikuru is beyond me. Maybe it's a test, maybe she's bi. Who knows.

You have to admit, Haruhi and Kyon make the perfect odd couple. It's really charming. They both care about each other and certainly have intertwined destinies, but they'd never admit to it.

But in the end, none of that matters because we all know that this entire story is just a metaphor for sex. I plan to write up a thesis about it. If they could do it with Evangelion, I can do it with Haruhi.

[slayer]

Sphinx you get my thumbs up on your analysis mate. It is rather logical and resonable for anyone to follow it.

[Vexx]

cookies for Sphinx ... he saved me a lot of typing. Nice....

This show is now on my list of "if you don't get it, there's probably a lot of other things you don't get."

Not original (but then what is)... but an excellent assembly of science fiction concepts, satirical dancing on anime archetypes, romance, and stellar production values.

[Lost]

First up, I'm gonna shamelessly jump on the holy-crap-train and give a HUGE thumbs up to the subbers of a.f.k. for their consistently fast and high quality subbing. As if releasing it within a few days wasnt fast enough, they went superspeed with this episode and released it in a matter of hours. I'm pretty certain everyone there lost ALOT of sleep over it; so, thank you very much.

I haven got off the train yet. A stellar episode this was. A fitting end to season1, because it had everything perfectly packed into 24+ minutes. While it didnt move me as much as 12, and didnt make me think as much as 13; this one had emo as well as logic. I loved how Haruhi was looking in that closed space, finally we see her actually and really happy. At first I was quite pissed because it seemed that she was being irresponsible (you know, pursuing her happiness, while ditching the rest of the world and the billions of other people and their happinesses) but then it struck me that I couldn't blame her, because she didnt know at all what was going on and what the consequences of her actions would be.

And I have to confess this. I'm digging for a Yuki x Kyon relationship. The scene on the computer.. when Yuki said that personally she wanted to see him again, how it'll be nice to and at the end! when she looked at him and said that she would not let them kill him.. *swoon* :heh: Seriously. Yuki wants Kyon :p

And I had to LOL and yet cry at the last Mikuru scene. The tears in her eyes as she ran to Kyon almost moved me to tears (I've been pretty prone to crying the past few days) and that "I didnt know it was star-shaped" had me LingOL. Mikuru FTW seriously. She was on top MOE~~~ form in this ep. 04:35 when she sidestepped away from Kyon :love: Later when she was tearing and whimpering (?) at Haruhi's braiding. Now I can't choose between Mikuru or Yuki for the 2nd character poll. :(

Okay sorry for ranting. Seriously now.

I think everyone's overthinking this. The episode itself tells us a lot about what's going on and why. Starting at about 15:32...

Kyon and Haruhi begin to have this strange argument. I say strange because at first they seem to be talking past each other, and also because the topic of the argument is unconventional (how often do you debate with someone whether the world should continue to exist or not?)

Kyon asks Haruhi whether she wouldn't rather go back to the old world. He gives several reasons the new world would be undesirable: There doesn't seem to be anything to eat, the things Haruhi put so much effort into (SOS-Dan) don't exist anymore. Haruhi glibly deflects all these complaints because she has a feeling it will all work out in the end. At 16:06 Kyon says "I want to go back" and she hesitates for the first time.

Kyon's half of the argument takes a very interesting turn. He says "I found out something interesting after being thrown into this situation. I may complain all the time but I really liked how my life was." (emphasis added by me). That's a deep insight into Kyon's personality... Don't necessarily believe him when he complains about something. He complains about SOS-Dan perpetually but he never leaves. Is this because of some sense of duty to the human race? I believe he stays because he really likes the company, and he complains because that's just his personality. He gripes about Haruhi all the time too but that's no reason to think he dislikes her.

Then he mentions how much he's enjoyed being around his friends at school, including Mikuru, Itsuki, and Yuki (and surprisingly Asakura). Haruhi response is VERY interesting: "I'm sure we'll see them again. This world won't be covered in darkness forever. The sun will rise tomorrow." She's making a promise to Kyon to include those people in the new world. You could say the new world will be what Kyon wants it to be, at least in part.

Then Kyon flat out says that's not good enough. "I want to see the old them in the old world." Stop this new world business, it's not what I want. And THAT makes Haruhi let go of his hand and stop in her tracks.

"I don't get it. Weren't you fed up with that boring world? Didn't you want something more interesting to happen?" She looks like a kicked puppy. The most astounding part of this is... When has Kyon ever told her that he was bored with the old world? When has she ever said her goal was to make Kyon happy? I thought Haruhi was supposed to be the bored one! Isn't she a megalomaniac? Yet everything in her words and mannerisms here say she was trying to do this for Kyon, not herself!

Even more stunning is Kyon's response at 17:20: "I did indeed [want something interesting to happen]." This is completely against everything Kyon's told us to this point... He constantly gripes about just wanting to lead a normal life, about wishing he'd never met Haruhi. Hell, he even starts this episode with a monologue about how he wishes the time travelers, espers, and aliens would just tell Haruhi their stories and leave him alone! But there's really no reason for him to lie to Haruhi here... He's telling her the truth, and has been lying to us (and himself) this whole time.

The reason he wants to stay in the old world? Because there really are aliens, time travellers, and espers. Not because he wants to go back to a normal life, but because the old one was plenty abnormal already. He tells her that she's the center of the universe but doesn't realize it. That's not good enough for her... It's not good enough that everyone else thinks she's great. It's not good enough that Kyon's happy (though that's very, very important to her). She wants a reason to be happy in the old world too.

And then he kisses her.
I like Sphinx's clearheaded analysis. +rep :) To add to you, Kyon did hint at his want for a more interesting life. At 5:50 he tot: When I did feel a bit dissatisfied when nothing was going on.

So perhaps some of Haruhi's spirit lives in him. And thats what makes this odd ball pairing so wonderful as Prodigous expertly pointed out above.

Anyway I do want to make sense of why Kyon got blinked into the new world with Haruhi.

[aleron]

I've got a question actually ^^;;

does the cat really talk? (I'm know it probably does judging from the "1st" ep but I don't think we've been given the answer to that yet o.O)

The flashback panels leading up to the kiss I thought were well done, seemed to fit with how kyon was talking and the music was a plus bringing up the tension =D

(course the ponytail bit ruined the mood a bit lol)

and
Does anyone know what song the ending theme for the fansub creditis?? It's so beautiful.

I agree =D does anyone know?

[Sheba]

Yes, the cat did talk.

The reason lies in the making of the Mikurun run movie and Haruhi.

[hi-hi]

Lyrics of God knows... fits so greatly with this ep.

and so does Lost my Music for that matter o.o

[shaolinx]

great ep and ending.

alhtough...it still makes me wonder why and how haruhi starts to like kyon. tehres only that simple line that she said at the start, 'have i seen you before'. it seems as though he knew her before and she already liked him in the past. maybe we shall see that in the sequal(hopefully)

[j4m3sb0nd]

Great episode, full of emotion. :D

Great post by The Sphinx! Analyses it very well!

[Schacko]

A true and nice ending for such a good show :3

I lol'ed so hard at the scene with Kyon and his sis at teeth cleaning - like asuka and shinji on eva (before the syncron attack), even the "zoom-in" at kyon was the same like shinji :D

[Green²]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=608730#post608730
Great point.

Perhaps that, with the last part, that maybe this was the change for that world. But as to if it was to who that forced that change, don't know. Well, if forced actually...


____________________

Is it just me, or did it in a way reference the movie "The 5th Element"?
Where the fireball is about to destroy the Earth, and with that for the people to stop it, had to activate five elements, the fifth being love. That fifth humanoid element known as the supreme being, that with Korben's love with and for that being, love which he had to acknowledge to her, activated the weapon through the supreme being, thus stopping the fireball.

To also note, this also isn't the first reference.

[M.D. Geist]

just wonderfull (first?) ending of an awesome series!

although the kiss scene could have been a bit bigger ^^

[Knavinusa]

"I don't get it. Weren't you fed up with that boring world? Didn't you want something more interesting to happen?" She looks like a kicked puppy. The most astounding part of this is... When has Kyon ever told her that he was bored with the old world? When has she ever said her goal was to make Kyon happy? I thought Haruhi was supposed to be the bored one! Isn't she a megalomaniac? Yet everything in her words and mannerisms here say she was trying to do this for Kyon, not herself!

Very good analysis. I missed that one too going through the episode for the first time. Now that I think about it, at no point in time up to (chronological) episode 6 has either of them shown such strong emotions towards each other. Yes, it is obvious that the two of them like each other -- even if neither of them can decide how to feel about it -- but they definitely do not want to say it out loud.

On a side note, you can surely see that Haruhi treats Kyon differently from all the others. She didn't want to change in the classroom as it was apparently hot (but I think we know that is not the reason :p ), and she also kicked Kyon out when she was changing inside the clubroom. If you go back to Lone Island Syndrome, to that scene when she was planning to change in the cave out of her wet clothing, she suddenly decided against it because Kyon was there. After this episode, this makes a lot more sense.

[ECFNW]

Great episode and a great ending. Better than the "official ep.14" ending I'd say.
If they don't give us a 2nd season, than they should at least give us a DVD special or something.

[M.D. Geist]

Even more stunning is Kyon's response at 17:20: "I did indeed [want something interesting to happen]." This is completely against everything Kyon's told us to this point...

Objection! :(

Very first episode. Kyons first monologe...

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4281/kyonatti9lb.jpg

So maybe his attitude changed, or (due to Haruhi) he reenjoyed his earlier childish ideas, causing him to "demature" again :eyespin:

edit or in other words :
Haruhi opened his heart :D

[LCeh]

"I don't get it. Weren't you fed up with that boring world? Didn't you want something more interesting to happen?" She looks like a kicked puppy. The most astounding part of this is... When has Kyon ever told her that he was bored with the old world? When has she ever said her goal was to make Kyon happy? I thought Haruhi was supposed to be the bored one! Isn't she a megalomaniac? Yet everything in her words and mannerisms here say she was trying to do this for Kyon, not herself!

Mmmm, I think it can go two ways. One would be your interpretation, the other one would be that she wasn't doing it for Kyon. She very simply could be saying this because she thought they had common goals, and now Kyon "backed out". So in a way, she wasn't doing it because of Kyon, but she expected Kyon to enjoy it with her. I am not sure how Haruhi knew that Kyon was always bored by his normal life, but it certainly seems like she knew.

[Jaden]

Very intense episode, though it isn't the ending I wished for.
When the closed space broke down I was like Noooo---!!
Haruhi, damnit, you wield the tapestry of creation, yet you are swayed by something like love?

[Archaic]

Hmmm....one thing I noticed that seems to have been missed in the translation by A.F.K, and in the episode summary....don't think anyone's yet mentioned it in this thread either.

When Haruhi suggests the "Queen" outfit for Mikuru, she doesn't literally mean dressing her up as a queen. The exact same word for Queen is used for something else in modern Japanese....something which makes a lot more sense in context. Basically....she was suggesting that they dress Mikuru up as a dominatrix.

[Elefantbud]

Does anyone know what song the ending theme for the fansub creditis?? It's so beautiful.

It's from the Ah My Goddess OST1 (Name: Koi Suru Kimochi). All of the songs on it rock, BTW. Each are very distinctive. :D

[Knavinusa]

Mmmm, I think it can go two ways. One would be your interpretation, the other one would be that she wasn't doing it for Kyon. She very simply could be saying this because she thought they had common goals, and now Kyon "backed out". So in a way, she wasn't doing it because of Kyon, but she expected Kyon to enjoy it with her. I am not sure how Haruhi knew that Kyon was always bored by his normal life, but it certainly seems like she knew.

That is actually rather interesting, from your point of view. How could Haruhi have known that Kyon shared common interests? Is it only because she assumes this because Kyon still decides to come to all the SOS-dan meetings, even though he finds her irritating, or did I miss something up to episode 6?

[AniOta]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9208/up1194505ff.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=up1194505ff.jpg)

[Echostarter]

GWAHHHH!!! I'm so curious to see morrrreeee... Sigh... Man I liked the development between kyon and haruhi so much. lol. So cute.

Dang... can't believe that was the last ep. I'll flip (in a good way) if there's like a second series or OVAs that will continue the story. But, if this is how it ends... then it's still good either way.

[Radiosity]

One very minor disappointment I just thought of is Shamisen (sp?) the cat. I was rather hoping (or expecting) some sort of information regarding him, like why there is a speaking cat, and what affiliation does it have with Yuki and the others. But alas, that short scene in the first episode is all we see.

Well, if there's a season 2, I hope we'll see more of the cool cat :)

[Scep]

lol nice one. the pic sort of reminds me, anyone noticed the constant change of eye color? I remember when the anime started it was orange, then slowly it became yellow/green. Lol. But i think the anime did a pretty good job in bringing out kinda a irony, that haruhi who originally was treating kyon like a slave, was actually now doing everything for him. I thought it was a nice irony.

[Decel]

Great ep, and nice ending to it. Deserves a 10. I really liked the effect when the closed space dissapeared. Kyon's sister is so damn cute!

[Deathkillz]

oh i get it...this is a fairy tale where suzumiya is the princess and kyon is the prince whos kiss makes everything better :heh: *chuckle*
indeed a great ending...definatly made me laugh when he sed : ponytails turn me on XD to me kyon is really perverted *glare* he keeps looking at mikaru with dirty eyes...sick mind i say :D
hmm kitty ears...nurse outfit...or a queen? hold on a second! O.o i can just see his mind running through mikuru in those costumes haha!
and seen as its the last its a 10/10 for sure...

[Anime Online]

Objection! :(

Very first episode. Kyons first monologe...

So maybe his attitude changed, or (due to Haruhi) he reenjoyed his earlier childish ideas, causing him to "demature" again :eyespin:

edit or in other words :
Haruhi opened his heart :D

Kyon did not change at all, he simply holds two views that may seem contradictory. I feel that the novel gave a clearer picture.


Kyon never really gave up his dreams of finding the supernatural. In Episode2, when Kyon asked why Haruhi is so intent on finding a non-human boyfriend, and when she replied "Isn't that more fun/interesting?", Kyon was unable to refute that.

In the novel chapter 1 (Book1), Kyon quietly agreed that it would certainly be more interesting if Suzumiya were the product of a human/alien union, and if his friend Taniguchi were an inspector from the future and Askagura were an ESP-er. However, Kyon's rational side told him such supernatural stuff simply do not occur in real-life.

As for Haruhi, we know in episode13, Itsuki told Kyon that though Haruhi's behavior is eccentric, she has the rational reasoning of a normal human.


Kyon and Haruhi are actually more similar than different. Both fantasize about experiencing the supernatural but are bound by rational beliefs that there is no space for these in reality.

The real difference between the two is that Haruhi is not willing to sit and wait for the supernatural to happen, but she actively searches for them (as confessed by Haruhi in episode13). This would account for the strange things Taniguchi said Haruhi did in middle school during episode2.

Through Haruhi's actions, Kyon is able to live out his private dreams.

[Lost]

Objection! :(

Very first episode. Kyons first monologe...

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4281/kyonatti9lb.jpg

So maybe his attitude changed, or (due to Haruhi) he reenjoyed his earlier childish ideas, causing him to "demature" again :eyespin:

edit or in other words :
Haruhi opened his heart :D
Yep. I was watching the RAW again and anyone notice how Kyon was smiling like he was having the time of his life as he ran with Haruhi into the field, away from the Celestials?

Queen -> Dominatrix? Oh no... no.. the mental image..


http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9208/up1194505ff.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=up1194505ff.jpg)

LOL. Good one..

[Deathkillz]

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9208/up1194505ff.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=up1194505ff.jpg)


haha that must have been where she got the idea from XD

[katakami]

I don't know if someone said this already but.... his expression when he wakes up is gold XD

[Sinestra]

a 10 all the way Kyon is the man and seems like hes gotten things together and found out exactly how he feels about Haruhi plus the Poneytails turn me on line was so funny and the look in Haruhi's eye when hes getting ready to kiss her was classic since Nagato had mentioned sleeping beauty before. Over very happy with the ending Haruni and Kyon make a nice couple even if nothing is really said about it at the end they are more alike that diffrent. Too bad its over what the HELL am i gonna watch now

[raphaël]

Great great great ending. 10 without any hesitation. I loved the overall Mononoke influences. :heh: I loved the music and Itsuki's speech, Yuki's chat without any voices (Kyon isn't reading, that's so cool. Usually, there's always someone reading, isn't it?).

I can't wait for what's coming next. What? The end, you say???? :p

[SnakeLegend]

that'd better be a 2nd season...
otherwise...
Heads will roll! -trademarked by Haruhi-

[Kisuke06]

I finaly watched it. Great ending, desevers 10 without hesitation. But so sad, it's over. But it was a very, very good anime.

I do hope that will be a second season.

[MihawkXGP]

I'll give this a 10 also. It was great. It was a nice ending. I liked it when they kissed. :D
I too hope they make a 2nd season. It'd be a great shame not too.

[SGSeries2]

Excellent episode, as always. Here's for a second season!!!

I'm considering the notion that there really isn't any real chronological order, if not Haruhi's (or some slight variation thereof). After watching the episode and considering a rendition of Haruhi's order, the question has been burning -

If she ends up with ponytail in this episode, what happened to her ponytail in the rest of the series?!? OMG!!! (I guess it makes sense in Kyon's order, though...)

She didn't have to have it in every episode, mind you, but at least an episode or two wouldn't 've hurt her any. It certainly wouldn't 've hurt Kyon's feelings. :)

*sniff* I liked the ponytail. :sad:

[None]

In case anyone is interested, here is a link with the text for Mahler's symphony no. 8, played during the "incident".
http://facstaff.uww.edu/allsenj/MSO/NOTES/0405/9_Apr05.text.htm

I'm not sure the text actually relates in any way to the scene, but it still is interesting to note that the title of Part I (the one used) can be translated as "Come, spirit of creation"..

also thanks to a.f.k. for the incredibly speedy translation (specially of this last episode) and for everyone in the forum for providing with such food for thought.. :D

p.d. is "specially" written correctly? it looks kind of weird to me..

[Decel]

also thanks to a.f.k. for the incredibly speedy translation (specially of this last episode) and for everyone in the forum for providing with such food for thought.. :D
I second that.

Thanks to fansub groups such as A.F.K. for providing japanese-illiterates like myself the privilege of enjoying such shows.

Thanks again to A.F.K. for their clockwork delivery.

Thanks to the fellow members of these boards to point out the various facts and intricacies in these shows. Many of the finer details would have been lost to me had I not read about them.

[Ardee]

Koizumi's comments about the impending end of the world sort of apply in a funny "meta" way to the show itself if you replace Haruhi with KyoAni - after 14 episodes, the show has come to a potential apocalypse, and he and the other characters will never know if the studio decides to move on to making a new world next; they'll just cease to be. Of course, the studio could decide that their old world is worth continued life (and Koizumi hopes they do, which is itself a free-will paradox for the KyoAni team having him voice these thoughts! :heh: )

Maybe the studio is saying that fans had better stop by their office and pucker up if they want a 2nd season...

[raphaël]

Koizumi's comments about the impending end of the world sort of apply in a funny "meta" way to the show itself if you replace Haruhi with KyoAni - after 14 episodes, the show has come to a potential apocalypse, and he and the other characters will never know if the studio decides to move on to making a new world next; they'll just cease to be. Of course, the studio could decide that their old world is worth continued life (and Koizumi hopes they do, which is itself a free-will paradox for the KyoAni team having him voice these thoughts! :heh: )

:cool: This is rich. I guess I don't think enough when I watch anime. Thanks for pointing this out.

And yeah, thanks to afk again and again. (Ahem, there's a thread for that but. :heh:)

[Major Kerina]

Omg! @_@ Wow.....I was always kinda iffy on Yuki using the mouse like that. Now it makes perfect sense. She wanted Kyon to do that to her. Or just figured it was how you use a mouse but since she was looking at him I'm beginning to think it was a bit of a flirt ^_^

[raphaël]

Omg! @_@ Wow.....I was always kinda iffy on Yuki using the mouse like that. Now it makes perfect sense. She wanted Kyon to do that to her. Or just figured it was how you use a mouse but since she was looking at him I'm beginning to think it was a bit of a flirt ^_^
:confused:

Are you sure about that? I mean she may have feelings for Kyon, but I guess she needs more time to realize it. Her last line is more like a, I don't know, instinctive way of expressing herself. Remember, she knows Kyon's special. I just couldn't say she realized she loves him, yet...

[Major Kerina]

Think of it like...Yuki sees Kyon and Mikuru squishing against each other. Intruiging interaction. She hasn't experienced it before. It seems to involve the usage of a mouse. Yuki comes into possession of a mouse. Recalls that experience. Hmm...maybe Kyon will press into me from behind...she might ponder. So she waves it around in the same way she saw. Less of a come on than, maybe that looked fun. After all, that episode was about Yuki doing things she found enjoyable that weren't necessary to her normal functioning. Here are the seeds of those later/earlier Yuki traits.

[npal]

Well, just to remind people that chronologically this is NOT the ending episode, and, judging from the rest of the episodes after that one, Kyon probably sees Haruhi as he saw her in the beginning of the series.

On the other hand, Kyon makes a remark about Mikuru in almost every episode. So, unless Haruhi cheats as a god and pulls a miracle (or the armageddon), or something drastically changes, it's KyonxMikuru all the way :D Bwahahahaha! (oh, the folder was hidden, too :p)

Imouto's appearance was wonderful as always. Oh well, thank God I have other anime to keep me occupied, and Honey & Clover II has started. But animation-wise, I'm spoiled. Now everything seems crude compared to Haruhi :p

Edit: ^Didn't think of that... Tsk tsk, Yuki is cunning :p

[Decel]

:confused:

Are you sure about that? I mean she may have feelings for Kyon, but I guess she needs more time to realize it. Her last line is more like a, I don't know, instinctive way of expressing herself. Remember, she knows Kyon's special. I just couldn't say she realized she loves him, yet...
I wonder how she "realizes" stuff. I mean, she's a data entity. At the very least I'd expect her to run a self-analysis process every now and then :heh:

[raphaël]

I wonder how she "realizes" stuff. I mean, she's a data entity. At the very least I'd expect her to run a self-analysis process every now and then :heh:

You're right. Let's just hope she won't get reformated in season 2. :p. That would be such a pity.

*Talking about the devil, that could happen! :upset: My god...
Argh, forget what I say, we're not the the speculations thread...

[Noppapana]

just watched 5 minutes of the last ep
i wonder did Haruhi changed to bunny girl to attract some attention from Kyon ?

[npal]

^ Probably, considering how Kyon reacted when faced with "other Mikuru outfits" :p

[C.A.]

Actually Haruhi changed into the bunny girl suit because of the heat. She wanted to dress the least so wouldn't feel so stuffy, in the novels she didn't even wear stockings. But it turns out the suit doesn't ventilate well and the heat makes her temper worse. Its actually a minor factor that adds to her abandoning the world lol

[npal]

Unless of course, that's an excuse, since she's unconsciously doing many stuff, why not that, too? :p

[Noppapana]

i just read the post of Sphinx
its quite interesting point , i never thought of that way

now why did Haruhi suddenly changed her mind to change clothes without Kyon ?

[Onizuka-GTO]

great ending, kudos to stratos translation, and to the rest of the A.F.K.

While some of you will be mourning the end, it was just the beginning for the novel readers.

:D

yup, talking cats, do some time travelling, talk to some super deities, who said it's the end?

:D :D :D

[BakaOnna]

I've been watching this series since it started but never posted in this forum, until the last ep.

Anyway, I loved ep. 14. I think its a wonderful ending. I'm just hoping for a 2nd season, but aren't we all. I give this series a 10/10.

[CrowKenobi]

What can I add that everyone else has already said? :confused:

I can add that this ep is a perfect 10 all the way! :D

And that The Sphnix's observation was spot on! Good Job!

I also felt that the music during the Shinjin appearances was great and helped give the sequence that "epic" feel that the visuals were implying.

[Deathkillz]

i just read the post of Sphinx
its quite interesting point , i never thought of that way

now why did Haruhi suddenly changed her mind to change clothes without Kyon ?

because she likes kyon and has suddenly realised how embarassing it would be to change in from of him? being self concious...

p.s yep thank A.F.K fansubs for such a great job ;)

[ImClueless]

because she likes kyon and has suddenly realised how embarassing it would be to change in from of him? being self concious...

p.s yep thank A.F.K fansubs for such a great job ;)


Yup and the same thing happened to Saber in F/SN too. Maybe someone can write a psychology paper on the subect if there are analogous behaviours in real life. :heh:

[Anime Online]

If she ends up with ponytail in this episode, what happened to her ponytail in the rest of the series?!? OMG!!!


In this case, I believe the novel offers a clearer understanding.


As her hair was too short to tie a proper ponytail, Kyon only saw a wispy ponytail when he came to class.

Haruhi untied her ponytail in the afternoon, and Kyon guessed that she got tired of the feeling of her tied hair. He then told himself he'd just have to wait for her hair to grow longer before suggesting to Haruhi to tie a ponytail.

[Mecha_Trueno]

sorry if this has already been posted by someone else, but... what the hell is the proper order for the episodes? i mean timeline-wise. im guessing its:

The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi II
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi III
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi IV
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi V
The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi VI
The Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi
Lone Island Syndrome (Part 1)
Lone Island Syndrome (Part 2)
Mysterious Sign
Asahina Mikuru`s Adventure Episode 00
Live a Life
The Day of Sagittarius
Someday in the Rain

cave cricket ep might have happened before the baseball one tho.
but i might be wrong, this was under the assumption that all the yuustu eps happened first and one after the other. the rest i guessed from their conversations, whether they had laptops yet, and other things.
does anyone know the real order?

EDIT: one thing i dont get though, is... how come we see what looks like haruhi taking guitar lessons at the end? didnt she decide this after the bunkasai, which supposedly is after all this?

[Shrimpcraft]

Wow what an eps.....like most ppl here agreed, i havent seen a solid ending for an anime series in a long LONG time.

heres my thought on the kissing part:
1. Kyon forced it so he can get outta closed space
2. he asked himself what is haruhi to him (i think everyone knows already)
3. he kissed her to get haruhi wake up from her sleep (sleeping beauty)

and when they are in closed space with the bgm and the giants...haha totally remains me of Evangelion. so could they be paying homage to evangelion? (esp with koizumi and his adam and eve joke to the ending of evangelion) XDDD

lastly, they gotta make season two.... i wanna know why the cat can talk in the ep1 (ep11) movie for the cultural festival!!!!! (i no i can read from the book...but this is an opportunity for kyoani to make season two

[Radiosity]

sorry if this has already been posted by someone else, but... what the hell is the proper order for the episodes? i mean timeline-wise. im guessing its:

See my sig for the correct sequence (assuming I didn't make any dumb typos heh) ;)

edit: It's pretty easy to figure out, just listen to Haruhi at the end of each ep for the correct chronology.

[Lost]

Think of it like...Yuki sees Kyon and Mikuru squishing against each other. Intruiging interaction. She hasn't experienced it before. It seems to involve the usage of a mouse. Yuki comes into possession of a mouse. Recalls that experience. Hmm...maybe Kyon will press into me from behind...she might ponder. So she waves it around in the same way she saw. Less of a come on than, maybe that looked fun. After all, that episode was about Yuki doing things she found enjoyable that weren't necessary to her normal functioning. Here are the seeds of those later/earlier Yuki traits.
Good one. Yuki :love: Seriously.. I'm infatuated.

Raph: I hope she rmbs to defragment regularly, to prevent a reformat. :heh:

[Furudanuki]

EDIT: one thing i dont get though, is... how come we see what looks like haruhi taking guitar lessons at the end? didnt she decide this after the bunkasai, which supposedly is after all this?
If you are talking about the scene with the two girls sitting under a tree with one playing a guitar, neither of those girls is Haruhi. The girl with the guitar is Takako Nakanishi and the dark-haired girl is Miyuki Enamoto. They are the guitarist and the singer from the band ENOZ, who Haruhi and Yuki stood in for in episode 12. Even though it is a distant shot in this episode, you can tell by their hair color and style as compared with the scene in episode 12 where the band members come to thank Haruhi.

[raphaël]

Yuki :love: Seriously.. I'm infatuated.

Raph: I hope she rmbs to defragment regularly, to prevent a reformat. :heh:

Ok, now you mention it, I definitely want to see her defragment. That must be really sexy. :love:

ahem...

:heh:

bad raph, bad!

:hmm:

[yellowkaiq]

O man, i loved episode 12. It had to be my favorite one out of all of them. I especially enjoyed the song they sang.

[Prodigious]

and when they are in closed space with the bgm and the giants...haha totally remains me of Evangelion. so could they be paying homage to evangelion? (esp with koizumi and his adam and eve joke to the ending of evangelion) XDDD

ahah, I got that vibe too. In fact when the music was playing and the monster was wrecking everything my very first thought was "Close Encounters of the Third Kind meets Neon Genesis Evangelion." Crazy.

And yeah, there's a lot of stuff in this show that alludes to other series. Quite a few references to Eva.

[MidnighT-WolF]

Well, everything has been said, i give an all-out big 10 to this episode and to the whole serie! It's a TOTALLY refreshing and original story in a world "satured" with "school life animes"! I loved every minutes of it, even if i was totally "WTF" in the first episode, the drawings, the OST, i loved everything!

Oh and big thanks to the one who said the title of the song playing when the giant "thing" appears, but is the song in the episode a "remake" or it sounds exactly like the original? I need THIS version badly!

[aldw]

After seeing this episode, it strikes me of a combination of Evangelion + The Lathe of Heaven + Roswell all crashing together :D.

[Major Kerina]

I'm kinda surprised Lathe of Heaven wasn't one of the books Yuki read. That would be apropo

[Agent86]

Yuki :love: Seriously.. I'm infatuated.

Raph: I hope she rmbs to defragment regularly, to prevent a reformat.Ok, now you mention it, I definitely want to see her defragment. That must be really sexy.It would be great to watch Yuki fsck, then mount.

"I won't let them" Awwwwww... :love: Yuki even more.

[Kalashnikov]

a very well done ending. i'd say it's perfect, but why do these darn japanese like to leave their endings in a somewhat conclusion but not entirely concluded ending? that said, why do I have this sinking feeling that there won't be a season two? endings always get me down. :\

tho props to AFK for a well done, very professional subbing. good job to them!

and she also kicked Kyon out when she was changing inside the clubroom.

now why did Haruhi suddenly changed her mind to change clothes without Kyon ?

i think that alone would signify that she treats Kyon, in the least, differently from the rest of the boys. as you would remember, it was said that she [haruhi] changes in class because treats boys/men at the same level as potatoes but in the scene where she wanted Kyon to go out of the room while she changed would simply mean she doesn't treat him as a potatoe hence she doesn't treat him as she would treat all other boys.

[lalabling]

Soo what was kyons real name ?

[Aiya Kasai]

AWWWWEE....its over *depressed*...no more haruhi

[Kaioshin Sama]

Soo what was kyons real name ?

Roger Smith.

Seriously if you believe anything I say at this point your easily mislead, nobody knows. I don't really care, Kyon is good enough for me.

[Pale Sqwish]

wait, what? im confused, is this the last episode?

[npal]

Yes, but not chronologically.

[Anime Online]

wait, what? im confused, is this the last episode?


Yes and no.

Episode 14 concludes the end of the Yuutsu/Melancholy story arc (essentially book1 of the novel series). More to the point, Episode 14 also concludes the end to the current anime series.

However, the true ending of the anime series belongs to Episode 09, Someday In The Rain.

[Grees]

Bleh, me want more, so the 14 eps are just book 1? That gives hope.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Bleh, me want more, so the 14 eps are just book 1? That gives hope.

As with most Light Novels (Short stories basically), turned anime (FMP for example) the series is composed a collection shorter and longer stories taken from the various volumes of the novels, (Predominantly Volume 1).

[Ardee]

A few random thoughts/responses:

- I think we've already seen Yuki defrag, after Asakura fragged her pretty thoroughly :-)

- It's almost too bad to think that Kyon might have told Haruhi about aliens, etc. - it's funnier to think that the same instinct that made her recruit those three made her cast them appropriately in the movie without hints from Kyon as to their nature (even if she didn't really believe him, as Yuki said she wouldn't). Maybe he didn't name names.

-Ok, be honest - who here has done a SET PROMPT=YUKI.N$G ?

- After Haruhi said she had a nightmare (hmm, why did she term it that - she seemed to enjoy herself?), Kyon's tone of "oh" is very funny.

- Mikuru and Yuki gave advance warning of how Kyon could escape, but as of the baseball episode, Koizumi still didn't know, which is a little odd. (Or maybe he just wanted to hear Kyon say it?)

- When Mikuru looks at her mole and jumps, the whole camera shot shakes, pretty funny.

[Mecha_Trueno]

If you are talking about the scene with the two girls sitting under a tree with one playing a guitar, neither of those girls is Haruhi. The girl with the guitar is Takako Nakanishi and the dark-haired girl is Miyuki Enamoto. They are the guitarist and the singer from the band ENOZ, who Haruhi and Yuki stood in for in episode 12. Even though it is a distant shot in this episode, you can tell by their hair color and style as compared with the scene in episode 12 where the band members come to thank Haruhi.
ok, now that i look closer, its not haruhi. thanks for correcting me!

[lana3007]

- Mikuru and Yuki gave advance warning of how Kyon could escape, but as of the baseball episode, Koizumi still didn't know, which is a little odd. (Or maybe he just wanted to hear Kyon say it?)


Well, that just shows that the esper boy isn't as perceptive as the girls are. By the way it is entirely possible that future Asahina gave Kyon the clue because some time after the event either Haruhi or Kyon actually told her what happened. Which means that only Yuki is the one who actually figured it out on her own. Now that's a bit odd, considering she doesn't seem to understand emotions as well.

Or Koizumi could have just been teasing Kyon in the baseball episode which isn't out of question either.

[C.A.]

Hmmm I think Koizumi is really teasing.

Since he says that all the espers can sense Haruhi's feelings, thoughts and such, I'm sure he knows that Haruhi has been kissed by Kyon. I also think that Haruhi must certainly have no privacy if she has like 10+ people who knows every single thing she's thinking.

[FatPianoBoy]

Wow. That finale was perfect. Imouto waking up Kyon was full of win. So was Mikuru being deeply disturbed at Kyon knowing more about her body than herself. And, of course, Haruhi was the best part of all of it.
Reading all this is one thing - watching it all play out like it did really drives it home. KyoAni now owns my soul and will soon own quite a large part of my income.

Itsuki is Itsuki. He seems to have the same demeanor in ignorance as he does when he knows exactly what's going on. Therefore, he's completely impossible to peg. Between him and Nagato, it's obvious why they never play pok3r in the clubroom.

I also think that Haruhi must certainly have no privacy if she has like 10+ people who knows every single thing she's thinking.

This seems to be a trend in recent anime.
:Cough: Keiichi :cough:
Wait - did you just solve the mystery of Higurashi? :eyespin:

[Kinny Riddle]

10 points. A great ending. I liked Kyon's ultimate pick-up phrase, "You look so moe in a ponytail that it's becoming criminally dangerous." and then goes on to kiss Hauhi.

After rebutting Kyon's seemingly nonsensical remark, the "resisting" expression she had when she realizes what Kyon was going to do to her was just cute. :love:

I still prefer the close-up kiss shot for the novel in the end. :D

Credit to AFK for releasing at such lightning fast pace. AFK's subs are useful for the novel translations as well, for without them, minor errors that would otherwise be unnoticeable would not be corrected quickly.

Looking forward to a second season. But we'll have to wait at least one year and more once Kyo-Ani is done with their 24 episodes of Kanon2006, and then they probably need a short break. Not to mention there's other projects.

[kira_lacusXX]

wow...i finally watched episode 14 subs and i vote 10~! i thought the ending was 100% perfect! i love the part before kyon kissed haruhi...^_^ love the sleeping beauty, snow white concept thing too! it about explained everything the way i wanted it to as well. not straight forward but it gave you just a small hint but enough for you to figure it out =D yay <3 suzumiya haruhi no yuuutsu!

[None]

Oh and big thanks to the one who said the title of the song playing when the giant "thing" appears, but is the song in the episode a "remake" or it sounds exactly like the original? I need THIS version badly!

Though it is not a remake, it is only a small fragment, as the total running time of part I is arround 30 minutes..

I was unable to find reference to the orchestra/director of this particular version in the episode credits, but a decent recording of the symphony should be quite easy to find, as it is reasonably known. I'd probably go with a 2 cd set, as i think the speedup required to fit the whole thing in one cd might create a rushed feeling, but that's just personal taste.

You could also check the music/ost forum to see if anyone knows if one of the ost includes this pieces..

[Lumir]

Great ep. They finished it off with the midas touch... Though i would have liked to see more...

Im suprised the kyon never got the idea... just be nice to her and see what happens... Pigtails for the win!!! xD

[dkellis]

Well, that just shows that the esper boy isn't as perceptive as the girls are. By the way it is entirely possible that future Asahina gave Kyon the clue because some time after the event either Haruhi or Kyon actually told her what happened. Which means that only Yuki is the one who actually figured it out on her own. Now that's a bit odd, considering she doesn't seem to understand emotions as well.

One thing I'm not quite sure about is why Yuki had to go "Sleeping Beauty" instead of a more straightforward "Kiss Haruhi". Presumably the future Mikuru was under a directive not to make explicit changes to the present timeline; was Yuki under such a restriction as well?

[Aoie_Emesai]

I was disappointed, it was unclear. It sorta reminds me of what gianax always do. It ended but there wasn't a conclusion, but maybe the few detail that have been forgotten. "this that and at last that" eh?

[CrowKenobi]

I was disappointed, it was unclear. It sorta reminds me of what gianax always do. It ended but there wasn't a conclusion, but maybe the few detail that have been forgotten. "this that and at last that" eh?Considering that this episode followed the ending of the first novel (of eight and counting) there wasn't a need for a definitive series end (especially since this is episode 6 in the timeline order, with episode 9 as the real last episode). Besides, we can't get a second season if there was a real and proper conclusion now could we? ;)

[Kinny Riddle]

One thing I'm not quite sure about is why Yuki had to go "Sleeping Beauty" instead of a more straightforward "Kiss Haruhi". Presumably the future Mikuru was under a directive not to make explicit changes to the present timeline; was Yuki under such a restriction as well?
Not likely, it's just Yuki's way of doing things. She's not the sort to be direct. Just look at the bookmark incident. She could've just told Kyon to come to her place, but instead stuffs Kyon a book with her bookmark in it.

[npal]

She likes being mysterious :p Although she could be a bit more direct, it's the end of the world, damnit.

[C.A.]

She's too cool for apocalypse lol

[Noppapana]

ahah, I got that vibe too. In fact when the music was playing and the monster was wrecking everything my very first thought was "Close Encounters of the Third Kind meets Neon Genesis Evangelion." Crazy.

And yeah, there's a lot of stuff in this show that alludes to other series. Quite a few references to Eva.

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg

[SWPIGWANG]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg
OMG ROFLOL :D :D :D

I didn't notice that....but......

[The Sphinx]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg
Oh wow, how did I miss that?

[FatPianoBoy]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg

ZOMG you're right! :twitch:
I can't believe I didn't catch that. Maybe it had something to do with watching it a 6am :heh:

[Deathkillz]

Not likely, it's just Yuki's way of doing things. She's not the sort to be direct. Just look at the bookmark incident. She could've just told Kyon to come to her place, but instead stuffs Kyon a book with her bookmark in it.

that is just soo sweet of her...just like when a women hints at her man that she "wants" something (like jewlery) she wont say it directly but instead gives clues to the guy...but it usually screws up :heh:
i would have understood that yuki isnt a direct person but why didnt mikuru just tell kyon to kiss haruhi?

[Noppapana]

that is just soo sweet of her...just like when a women hints at her man that she "wants" something (like jewlery) she wont say it directly but instead gives clues to the guy...but it usually screws up :heh:
i would have understood that yuki isnt a direct person but why didnt mikuru just tell kyon to kiss haruhi?

i think that Mikuru already knew that Kyon would never want to kiss Haruhi

[C.A.]

that is just soo sweet of her...just like when a women hints at her man that she "wants" something (like jewlery) she wont say it directly but instead gives clues to the guy...but it usually screws up :heh:
i would have understood that yuki isnt a direct person but why didnt mikuru just tell kyon to kiss haruhi?To tell someone in the past about events in the future isn't allowed, the most Asahina-san can do is to give hints.

[ChainLegacy]

I know this isn't related to the episode, but does anyone know what the song used at the end of the a.f.k fansub was? I could have sworn I've heard it in a movie or something before..

[Decel]

It was mentioned earlier in the thread: a song from an AMG soundtrack.

[lavarock]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg

LOL, nice catch!! Didn' t notice that at all.

[SnakeLegend]

anyone tried to get all the episodes into something much more... arranged?

[Kisuke06]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg

Wait, that really happened? OMG how did I miss that?

[raphaël]

talk about references .... coughEoEcough

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/1340/capture1hi.jpg
Argh, I hate it when everyone just go and say "oh yeah"!
I just feel stupid.
Come on, I'm tired and I still don't know what you're talking about. Stop coughing. :heh:
Say what it is, please.

[The Sphinx]

Argh, I hate it when everyone just go and say "oh yeah"!
I just feel stupid.
Come on, I'm tired and I still don't know what you're talking about. Stop coughing. :heh:
Say what it is, please.
It's a reference to the last scene of End of Evangelion, when Shinji is choking Asuka.

[Lost]

One thing I'm not quite sure about is why Yuki had to go "Sleeping Beauty" instead of a more straightforward "Kiss Haruhi". Presumably the future Mikuru was under a directive not to make explicit changes to the present timeline; was Yuki under such a restriction as well?
She is a data-entity that apparently lives on books ~ the allusion to Sleeping Beauty is then logical. And I'm sure "Kiss Haruhi" or anything else more direct would have immediately put Kyon off; and end the world.

[Seyluun]

"Sleeping beauty" isn't only an instruction on what to do, it also give an indication on what's going to happen just after.

[Shini_GamI]

And Yuki also said she wanted Kyon to stay in the old world too, from her individual thought.....
At the end, Kyon did kissed Haruhi =D

[aldw]

I do agree with Kyon about Haruhi in a ponytail, she was quite hot in epi. 2, of which she almost reminded me of Mahoro. :)

[Nainara]

They never got around to explaining why the cat talks in the first episode. :confused:

[Anime Online]

They never got around to explaining why the cat talks in the first episode. :confused:

Yes, I was quite intrigued by Shamisen, the talking cat. Book 2 of the novel series, which deals with the filming of the school festival movie, would elaborate more.

Actually, I feel that KyoAni kept some of these small details to be featured in the next series, such as the Yuki & Haruhi doing exercises in the opening song, the tanabata (the bamboo) in the SoS-dan club room, and of course the talking cat.

[nhyn]

oh, i didnt notice the tanabata in the club room! If they went that far to include it in a scence, lets hope they'll give us more episodes to explain their actions!:D
About the cat, I knew most of you have read the novel summary/timeline in the "All about Haruhi" topic, but I'll just paste some lines here for those who havent:
During the shooting of the movie, Haruhi unwittingly alters reality, these include: Mikuru beam (now rendered harmless with Yuki’s nano-machines), Shamisen talking, and pigeons turning their feathers white overnight.
*quoted Kinny Riddle, in Kinny's novel summay post
I second those who notice that Yuki somehow *wants* :D Kyon. Her lines are subtle yet very sweet ("I won't let them"- super-cool!)
Remember when Honey and clover (I) ended, we cried out for a 2nd season, and now here it is. So let's just be consistent in wishing and KyoAni may as well be moved by our loyalty to Haruhism :D

[radone]

Yes, I was quite intrigued by Shamisen, the talking cat. Book 2 of the novel series, which deals with the filming of the school festival movie, would elaborate more.

Actually, I feel that KyoAni kept some of these small details to be featured in the next series, such as the Yuki & Haruhi doing exercises in the opening song, the tanabata (the bamboo) in the SoS-dan club room, and of course the talking cat.

Don't forget the piano scene, bicycle scene, among other things not explained thats in the opening song.