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hi no ken Jebus
2006-07-05, 13:32
title: "Not Negotiation"
From last time, Ulquiorra appears in front of Orihime and her 2 escorts. Orihime tries to reason with him but he proceeds to attack. He tells her that Aizen wants her powers and to come with him. He threatens to kill her friends if she doesn't cooperate. Scene change to Urahara who manages to block Wonderweiss' attack. He asks what is that move called since he's never seen it. Yammy takes the opportunity and attacks him from behind. He manages to block then Yammy tells him that the move is called Bara/Bala. It is compressed reiatsu that can be shot at an enemy and 20 times faster than a cero.
He takes Urahara down with one then switch to Luppi and the other 3 shinigami. Luppi taunts matsumoto and co because their rescuer got into a bind himself. Matsumoto snaps back at him saying she hates chatty men and that's all he's been doing. An angry Luppi gets ready to attack but his tentacles are stopped by ice from Hitsugaya who is back up again. He tells Luppi he's lost because he didn't follow through on his attack and he managed to recover.
Hitsugaya tells him that his hyourinmaru can be ressurected endlessly as long as there's water around. He attacks luppi with a move called a millenium ice prison chapter ends with him saying his 8 arms weren't sufficient.
Orihime won't ever learn, doesn't she?
There's no way to reason with an Arrancar. They are unmasked 'Hollows' with Shinigami powers. But in essence continue to be 'Hollows' regardless of their form.
She sees Ulquiorra as a human when in fact his core is a 'Hollow', and that's what is becoming her undoing.
'Hollows' have no heart, and the Arrancar are no exception.
In SS was different, since Shinigami have heart. She shouldn't hold back against Ulquiorra.
Wow. Expecting more from urahara. Hope that was a minor setback for him.
EPYON
Well, i hope Hitsugaya actually won this fight. And finally after many appearances, we get an attack from his bankai. Ok Matsumoto, you're next! And i definitely don't think this is the end for Urahara. Only the beginning. I'm sure Yoruichi will be makin a appearance soon.
ok, thx a lot Hi no ken Jebus XD
so Orihime will have to make decision, I hope she will show something that Rukia teach her XD
Urahara down? it wasn't even Cero, but move that's 20 faster, so probably 20 weaker (but from Espada is strong)... Urahara if hurt will kick some ass even more as it's the first time he will be XD
Hitsuagya finishing Luppi off now isn't bad but I expect them to fight him really damaged a little longer so Urahrara can kick ass alone some more XD
negocating with Hollow is pointless, but Arrancars aren't hollows :P
they are something between, cause if they lose their mask they are a little more people that they used to be (they regain personality)
and there are hollows that aren't bad from the begin with, just are turned bad in time (like Hospital dude)
so Ulqolia might be some teenage boy that commited suicide and nobody cared so he changed hollow or something XD
Ulquiorra seems a bit cranky... I think Aizen made him go ^_^
Orihime should just forget about the two shinigami and run!!!!
Urahara down? it wasn't even Cero, but move that's 20 faster, so probably 20 weaker
You can't make that assumption. After all, Urahara managed to defeat Yammy's Cero easily the last time they fought. If the "Bara" is strong enough to take Urahara down, it has to be extremely powerful.
But the quinessential thing is Urahara has not yet shown the full extent of his shikai or even hinted what his Bankai is
Even if Yammy can take Kisuke down ... just imagine Esprada Rank 1 ^^
arankar84
2006-07-06, 01:17
woot.....Hitsugaya is back! :D
Urahara's shikai is already SHOWN >_> I think he said before that his is like Ichigo's which is always in it's shikai form.
Urahara's shikai is already SHOWN >_> I think he said before that his is like Ichigo's which is always in it's shikai form.
Yes his shikai has been shown, but hopefully all the capabilities not yet.
Also benihime isn't like ichigo's sword, Urahara did release benihime to shikai way back when he was training Ichigo for soul society.
Benihime is normaly a walking stick katana XD
first we saw his bloodmist shield, than this bloodmist shoot, but there might be more XD
and I still haven't seen this chapter so I thought that thx to speed of Bara he was down, not thx to its power XD cause it was like first atack on Urahara ever that had contact with him XD
I really think that Ulqolia has poisoned himself XD that's why his hollow mas was caterpillar XD rebeloius teenage that's all XD
kira-sama
2006-07-06, 09:02
yeah!!! hitsugaya is back i hope he will make rupi lost this time
and nice matsumoto made that rupi mad
"shocked" urahara lost from wonderweiss???
i think what will aizen do when orihime go there
i think orihime will use her new power and make the ulquiorra surprise!!!
Hitsu makes a come back, while urahara gets taken down!? Who would've thunk it? I like how this is developing.
My personal theory is that Aizen wants Inoue to speed up time so he can get the key earlier. We know she can reverse time (which in theory is impossible) so speeding it up should be cake. Either way I doubt Inoue will be able to beat Ulq. He seems really bad ass.
Hitsu makes a come back, while urahara gets taken down!? Who would've thunk it? I like how this is developing.
My personal theory is that Aizen wants Inoue to speed up time so he can get the key earlier. We know she can reverse time (which in theory is impossible) so speeding it up should be cake. Either way I doubt Inoue will be able to beat Ulq. He seems really bad ass.
That gave me a funny mental image of Orihime doing a time reversal on Ulq that turns him back to his original hollow form. But I'm sure that will never happen...
Oh no...someone....somebody....please save Orihime!!!!! *Ahem* I'm seriously wondering how Ichigo is faring. I'm hoping to see Ichigo mastering his powers but I guess its not this chapter then.
kira-sama
2006-07-07, 08:24
i think so that orihime can't beat ulq but she was on soul soecity right???
physics223
2006-07-07, 09:11
This is what I dislike about shounen manga or anime. There comes a time where you've just had enough because the mangaka doesn't know how to end it and just goes in cycles again and again. It's probably going to be the Soul Society arc all over again with Soul Society being replaced with Hueco Mundo, the damsel-in-distress from Rukia to Orihime, the SS captains with Arrancar. The archfiend is still also Aizen. :)
Finally we find out what's actually good about Hitsugaya's bankai. Although I have to wonder what happened to his countdown petals.
What I liked about this chapter is that it shows us that even now, fights in Bleach are not completely determined by power level. Luppi got his ass kicked not because he has less raw power than an average captain's bankai, but because he made a big tactical error and payed for it majorly. Similarly, Urahara is almost certainly far stronger than unreleased Yammi, but he made the same mistake and took a serious blow as a consequence(although I highly doubt he's down for the count). If Kubo can keep up like this then maybe the other captains won't be totally useless after all.
Kinny Riddle
2006-07-08, 00:13
OH YEAH! GO KICK HIS ASS, SHIRO-CHAN!!! lol
Hopefully for now this should shut up those trigger happy Hitsugaya critics who are quick to jump to conclusion everytime he gets beaten after just one chapter.
And using the same logic, if Hitsugaya, a captain-class can stand back up, so can Urahara, an ex-captain, and most likely much powerful than Hitsugaya.
SuperKnuckles
2006-07-08, 00:53
So I guess Hitsugaya continues his streak of being an invincible shinigami captain.
I wish Tite won't keep using only Hitsugaya to make comeback attacks all the time. This is atleast fourth or fifth time he's had a chance to make miraculous comebacks..
So I guess Hitsugaya continues his streak of being an invincible shinigami captain.
I wish Tite won't keep using only Hitsugaya to make comeback attacks all the time. This is atleast fourth or fifth time he's had a chance to make miraculous comebacks..
It's the second... And Renji and Matsumoto both got miraculous comebacks last time too.
hmm, when hitsugaya said "hyourinmarou's weapon is all the water in the atmosphere, it kinda reminded me of iceman of x-men, and how he's an omega class mutant, really powerful but not yet developed and so on.
I guess that why they call hitsugaya a "once in a million year genius" for his potential to be, quite frankly, an invincible if not the better, captain. But this is just speculation.
next chapter, im awaiting urahara's come back from yami's attack. im almost sure that tite would use urahara's unfortunate encounter with yamii to show the true idea behind benihime. We all know that she's somehow associated with blood, but do not really know what is she. (hyourinmaru as being an ice dragon, renji's as being an snake-like ape and so on)
actually, we don't know that she is associated with blood
that blood shield he has used a couple of times looks to me to be something separate from Benihime
and actually, if she had to do with blood, wouldn't his shikai incantation be "Pump, Benihime" or "Bleed, Benihime" or "Coagulate, Benihime"
instead it is "Sing, Benihime"........ i bet his bankai is something like "Swan Song" or else Kubo will five him a funny long one like Shunsui... "The Maiden sheds a tear to the East, The sun crest atop the Mountain, Sparrows fly forth from the Heavens, and The fat lady sings, Benihime!" ......or not
i would not be surprised if Benihime is totally original... unlike any other zankaputou we've seen... but you know, he hasn't even gone to shikai yet...
do you really think he needs to go to bankai to beat Yami?? if Kubo is going to have him go bankai, it will be on Wanderweiss and not Yami... Wanderweiss is probably insanely powerful... its seems like Kubo's style to have an Espada that everyone thinks is mildly retarded pull that zankaputou off his back and have a terrifying release...
um wunderwise just shot a bara at kisuke and he dodged it. wunder didnt do anything else after except look stupidly at his own hand. kisuke just then was asking him what it was wunder had shot at him. he was then shot from behind by yammi by the same attack. so im wondering where people are coming up with the idea that wunder was the one who took down kisuke?
well....
If urahara would get bashed by a bala, i think he would use bankai or some new move to save his own ass : D
I reckon the only thing that Orihime improved is the surface area of the barriers, shouten kisshun had a huge area this chapter. Any1 reckon she can use different combinations of her shields?
Oh no...someone....somebody....please save Orihime!!!!!
I`m cheering for Ulquiorra :D My new favourite Bleach Character :D
I wonder how long Orihime is able to hold him back. :)
I`m cheering for Ulquiorra :D My new favourite Bleach Character :D
I wonder how long Orihime is able to hold him back. :)
yeah im pretty sure orihime won't be the damsel in distress that she used to be way back.
she'll probably make the first move at ulq, but ulq will just dodge her measly attacks and comment a bit before leaving her to go meet up with his comrades.
If orihime agrees to him, she deserve to be called stupid, since aizen will kill everyone anyway in time
kira-sama
2006-07-08, 09:34
after i read the manga i think orihime will follow ulq
and rupee will be lost this time i'm sure of it
actually, we don't know that she is associated with blood
that blood shield he has used a couple of times looks to me to be something separate from Benihime
and actually, if she had to do with blood, wouldn't his shikai incantation be "Pump, Benihime" or "Bleed, Benihime" or "Coagulate, Benihime"
instead it is "Sing, Benihime"........ i bet his bankai is something like "Swan Song" or else Kubo will five him a funny long one like Shunsui... "The Maiden sheds a tear to the East, The sun crest atop the Mountain, Sparrows fly forth from the Heavens, and The fat lady sings, Benihime!" ......or not
i would not be surprised if Benihime is totally original... unlike any other zankaputou we've seen... but you know, he hasn't even gone to shikai yet...
do you really think he needs to go to bankai to beat Yami?? if Kubo is going to have him go bankai, it will be on Wanderweiss and not Yami... Wanderweiss is probably insanely powerful... its seems like Kubo's style to have an Espada that everyone thinks is mildly retarded pull that zankaputou off his back and have a terrifying release...
We know that the blood mist shield is one of Benihime's abilities because he held out his sword and called the incantation to block Ichigo's attack with it.
actually, we don't know that she is associated with blood
that blood shield he has used a couple of times looks to me to be something separate from Benihime
and actually, if she had to do with blood, wouldn't his shikai incantation be "Pump, Benihime" or "Bleed, Benihime" or "Coagulate, Benihime"
instead it is "Sing, Benihime"........
Benihime translates into "Crimson Princess" so a blood motif is very fitting for the name
and he yells out "Okiro (Awaken), Benihime" when releasing into Shikai and yes that is shikai...
"Nake (sing)" has been used in conjunction with Benihime's abilities like the Blood Mist Shield
How ironic, hitsugaya owned luppi and urahara getting owned. I dont care if luppi is dead or alive but hitsugaya is still weak.
Turambar
2006-07-08, 14:01
Hooray for Hitsugaya actually doing something, woot woot :D
After the smoke clears from Yamii's bala we'll probably see urahara dancing around holding his finger and saying something like "OwOwOw~, you made me use enough blood that would come from a scratch~!"
I really hope the supposed kidnapping of Orihime is really just a ploy to do something else. I like to think he's doing this to lure out Ichigo in the hopes that Urahara/Isshin/Yourichi/Vaizards/whomever follows him to stop him from his stupidity and use it to trap 'em for an assassination.
Though I also hope this isn't the case cause it would sadden me to see any of the aforementioned people die too fast without showing off their shikais/bankais ;_;
if Benihime were to be something like wampire, than "wake up" would make perfect sense, and "sing" too, as wampires lures their pray :)
but crimison doesn't mean bloody :)
it doesn't metter who took down Urahara for a moment as he is fighting two espadas at the time, what's matter is which of them will die first XD
so there is :Ichigo's fight - Orihime's Kidnapping - Urahara's and kinda 4th Luppi's fight
so 4 things going on at the same time ;) pretty much to fit few chapters... I bet that at least Ichigo's fight will take some time (maybe he will feel Inoue's danger and he will win :P )
crimson is a deep red color...
yeah it doesnt mean bloody... but i didnt say it meant that.. i just said blood is fitting
what's matter is which of them will die first XD
Good one :D
I hope it will be that loudass Yami :mad:
Good one :D
I hope it will be that loudass Yami :mad:
come one :) characters with beauty like Yami (e.g Oomaeda) are really easy to draw :) he can die too soon XD
ccardoso
2006-07-09, 17:53
You people consider Luppie already finished by you're having a big mistake this time. We're talking about sexta espada here, not some random hollow: it's supposed to be as strong as Grimjaw. Unless you think Hitsugays > Ichigo then there is no way the ice captain che win against Luppie using only shinigami powers. We're going to see Hitsugaya passed from part to part with one of Luppie's tenthacles as it should be quite pissed off. This time we're going to see shinigami total ownage just to introduce the vaizards, I hope that so badly.
Ah I hope Orihime will get killed in front of Ichigo's eyes in the future: this would have a huge effect on him, carrying him in being more near to his hollow way of thinking...
You people consider Luppie already finished by you're having a big mistake this time. We're talking about sexta espada here, not some random hollow: it's supposed to be as strong as Grimjaw. Unless you think Hitsugays > Ichigo then there is no way the ice captain che win against Luppie using only shinigami powers. We're going to see Hitsugaya passed from part to part with one of Luppie's tenthacles as it should be quite pissed off. This time we're going to see shinigami total ownage just to introduce the vaizards, I hope that so badly.
Ah I hope Orihime will get killed in front of Ichigo's eyes in the future: this would have a huge effect on him, carrying him in being more near to his hollow way of thinking...
... I already mention Luppie not being dead :P ...
anyway I don't think that this will be Vizards introduction since they said that Shinigami will take care of it...
and I think that there is over 90% that Orihime will NEVER die XD in the story line
Luppie will probably live enought long to get Urahara take care of his problems :)
and there is possibility of Espadas runing away :)
Wolcik: Aizen doesn't seem like the kinda guy that would let them off the hook if they ran away, and they probably know that. So I doubt they would run.
um seeing the espada run off wouldnt be to far fetched if luppi is in trouble and they need to save one of their own it wouldnt be to far off to consider since i believe the primary goal was to get orihime away from SS and use the others in the real world as bait.
ccardoso
2006-07-10, 03:04
Anyway I was thinking WHY is Aizen so strong... an hybrid is, theoretically, superior to any shinigami and hollow, especially the hybridized vastroodes. What is really Aizen? I don't think all the hollows are just following him because he's evil like them or he has hougyoku: a vastroode could always kill him after being hybridized... something suggests me that we haven't seen yet Aizen's true identity.
there is something to Aizen's streanght but I think that his Illusion alone is pretty strong no matter what, if he can cut than he will :) and he's over capitan level like he said so he can pretty much cut everything :) (Yamamoto is probably over capitan level too)
Luppi, Yami and Wierdo are just there to take SS attention, but they pretty much confident bastards so I don't see them runing away unless one is dead or devastated :)
Yea, Aizen's illusion pretty much puts him over anyone who can see... Technically, couldn't Tousen lay the smack down with his bankai? Just saying...
Also, Hitsugaya's return was badass, no matter what anyone says.
I want to see Urahara fight them seriously with his bankai. If there is a situation for it, isn't this it? Maybe it's a little soon, but dammit I wanna see!
And is anyone sure of how quickly Ichigo can put his mask back on? I'm wondering that myself...
Komataguri
2006-07-11, 22:55
I was half-expecting to see Urahara form a mask himself this battle.
Phomaniac
2006-07-12, 17:31
I wanna see Ichigos dad come in to save him.... I think he is really strong T_T.
I was half-expecting to see Urahara form a mask himself this battle.
yeah im also hoping for that, to add a little twist. but i guess we won't see that until he first formally introduces his zanpakto and his shikai, 2nd his bankai, and probably and finally if ever he has one, his mask. and i imagine that happening like 4 months still from now :(
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