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How did Mystogan master Earthland magic in less than 7 years? Who trained him? How was his potential so high when he comes from a place where magic can not be used in such a way?
Mistgun has only been shown using magic once, during which time he used 5 staves, which fits the Edoras way of using magic. Being a prince and all, maybe he had access to magic in the first place?
gildartz is still recovering form losing a rm and leg to a Black Dragon and considering how absent minded he is. i doubt Makarov will pass the torch to him. At this point Erza is the only candidate unless Miria stop being a waitress.
Call me nuts but I think that in the end, Lucy will inherit the guild; the story starts with her wanting to join, and she's been getting enough keys to make me think she's gonna catch them all after a while, efficiently becoming strong enough for the position :)
well, there's this 100 years quest.... bound to show up sometime.
If Kubo was writing FT, I'm sure it would also last 100 years :heh: Well, since the black dragon is involved, then it sure will show up. Aren't the dragons supposed to be missing in X777? Where/when did Gildarz find one, who's the black dragon's disciple, etc...
gildartz is still recovering form losing a rm and leg to a Black Dragon and considering how absent minded he is. i doubt Makarov will pass the torch to him. At this point Erza is the only candidate unless Miria stop being a waitress.
Makarov has already stated that Erza is too young to take his place as master and i don't think a year or two is gonna be enough to change that. Makarov did pass on the idea of making gildartz the new leader, though one issue that popped up back then was the simple fact that they were not expecting Gildartz to return anytime soon, and has taken similar long ranging jobs in the past aswell... he is pretty much named Fairy tail's greatest wizard
Gildartz is pretty good for guild leader since his character is pretty unexplored so it moves everything in new directions.
So now that this story arc with Gerard is over, it's time to get back to the other story arc involving Gerard!
We just can't escape that guy can we?:heh:
Seeing as though we just lost one Jellal, i'm sure another 2 will take his place. :p
I think Mira's actually a good choice. It seems like she deals with a lot of the administrative details like the quest board and stuff already, plus, she's pretty good at "handling" the guild members. She wasn't a candidate before because she wasn't technically a mage, but...
She was a mage before too, transformation specialist~ I just think she's more of the assistant type...
Nightengale
2010-08-25, 08:35
I sad.
No Fairy Tail meets Fairy Tail, no proper goodbyes between Wendy and Mistgun, no explanation whatsoever to how Mistgun knew of the Gerard-Erza connection.
I'm with Xellos on the possibility that Lisanna got sucked into Earthland too. Her lack of presence in the cover page, and really, there was no reason whatsoever to introduce Edo!Lisanna if all ends here just like that.
cyberdemon
2010-08-25, 11:46
I think Mira's actually a good choice. It seems like she deals with a lot of the administrative details like the quest board and stuff already, plus, she's pretty good at "handling" the guild members. She wasn't a candidate before because she wasn't technically a mage, but...
she's also about the same age as Erza and as stated before by makarov stated Erza was too young.
I sad.
No Fairy Tail meets Fairy Tail, no proper goodbyes between Wendy and Mistgun, no explanation whatsoever to how Mistgun knew of the Gerard-Erza connection.
I'm with Xellos on the possibility that Lisanna got sucked into Earthland too. Her lack of presence in the cover page, and really, there was no reason whatsoever to introduce Edo!Lisanna if all ends here just like that.
in order for that to happen though she has to have inner magic. Something the rest of the world of Edoras, besides the exceed, don't have. Meaning that if she gets sucked in it means she wasn't the Edoras Lisanna.
197 the cover.!!!!!!!
where's lisanna!!!?????????????? PLZ PLZ PLZ let her sucked with anima.!!!!!!
If that happen ..It will be damn intersting,!!!!!
I doubt lisanna will go to earthland. It would be a plothole. Only magic users from edoras like the eksheed are being sucked to earthland.
cyberdemon
2010-08-25, 15:45
I doubt lisanna will go to earthland. It would be a plothole. Only magic users from edoras like the eksheed are being sucked to earthland.
unless the Lisanna from Edoras was actually the one from earth then i agree with you.
Von Himmel
2010-08-25, 16:59
The lack of Lisanna in this chapter bugs me.... I hope that it's a hint for the future arc or something ;( Of course, I still think that we lack some proof to support that idea :heh:
Anh_Minh
2010-08-25, 18:11
gildartz is still recovering form losing a rm and leg to a Black Dragon and considering how absent minded he is. i doubt Makarov will pass the torch to him.
Well, maybe losing an arm and a leg will settle him down a bit.
^ Unless he finds a certain auto-mail mechanic... :)
Now there is one less s-class mage. Farewell Mystogan for now anyways. So now that he's gone and Laxus got kicked out of the guild. Leaving only three s-class mages Erza. Gildarts, and Juvia. Maybe its time that Natsu, Grey and Gajeel got promoted to s-class. I like the idea of Mirajane being made guild master she pretty much runs the day to day operations of the guild anyway and now that she has her powers back she should be a prime canidate for the job.
ellifeedn
2010-08-26, 14:17
About Lisanna going to Earthland, couldn't she hold onto anything magical (be it weapon or person) and get sucked there as well? I'm not saying she's going there, I'm just offering a possible idea.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-26, 14:23
Now there is one less s-class mage. Farewell Mystogan for now anyways. So now that he's gone and Laxus got kicked out of the guild. Leaving only three s-class mages Erza. Gildarts, and Juvia. Maybe its time that Natsu, Grey and Gajeel got promoted to s-class. I like the idea of Mirajane being made guild master she pretty much runs the day to day operations of the guild anyway and now that she has her powers back she should be a prime canidate for the job.
i want Mirajane to go back to old self wit the leather outfits :D and the fights with Erza.
Bonta Kun
2010-08-26, 14:44
i want Mirajane to go back to old self wit the leather outfits :D and the fights with Erza.
God I've been wanting that for like forever!
She has always been the one character I've liked just as much as Erza and when that omake chapter came about, I swooned at the "elegance" of the former Mirajane-chwan!:D
Maybe if Lisanna was taken to earthland maybe we'll get to see Mira-chan like her old self:p
About Lisanna going to Earthland, couldn't she hold onto anything magical (be it weapon or person) and get sucked there as well? I'm not saying she's going there, I'm just offering a possible idea.
Nope.
Reverse anima only takes magic from edoras objects, not the objects.
The mangaka can send her to earthland with the excuse of her grabbing someone from earthland and getting sent there by mistake but i doubt it.
If that happens edoras mirajane and elfman would want to open the anima again. And probably edoras lisanna would want to go back to edoras.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-26, 15:26
Nope.
Reverse anima only takes magic from edoras objects, not the objects.
The mangaka can send her to earthland with the excuse of her grabbing someone from earthland and getting sent there by mistake but i doubt it.
If that happens edoras mirajane and elfman would want to open the anima again. And probably edoras lisanna would want to go back to edoras.
Edo Mirajane and Elfman can't do it since Edo no longer has magic but It would be another quest for Earhtland Fairy tail to sent her back.
Tempest35
2010-08-26, 15:54
God I've been wanting that for like forever!
She has always been the one character I've liked just as much as Erza and when that omake chapter came about, I swooned at the "elegance" of the former Mirajane-chwan!:D
Maybe if Lisanna was taken to earthland maybe we'll get to see Mira-chan like her old self:p
The guild would get infinitely more dangerous if we have the Mira vs Ezra fights again. :heh: Then again, I consider Demon Mirajane as more than a replacement for Mystogun. And all things considered, Mira and Natsu are pretty similar to each other, much like how Ezra and Grey are similar. But I wonder why he considers Ezra as scary and not Mirajane when he knows about her? I wonder if she had started mellowing out already before she and Elfman lost Lisanna.
i want Mirajane to go back to old self wit the leather outfits :D and the fights with Erza.
I'd like to see that. Maybe she could restart taking jobs. How bout she make a team with herself, Elfman, Wendy, and Charle.
Edge Meltdown
2010-08-26, 18:43
if lisanna really did gets sucked back to earthland (I'm hoping that she will)... does that mean that all hope is lost for lucy or erza in that matter to become natsu's future (maybe?) love interest? I'm just saying...
hell, i'm not even sure if there's going to be any romance, but certainly there will be one later so it's not impossible.
Lisana being sucked to Earthland? I doubt it. Never read too deep into mangas like FT and Rave. :D
Now there is one less s-class mage. Farewell Mystogan for now anyways. So now that he's gone and Laxus got kicked out of the guild. Leaving only three s-class mages Erza. Gildarts, and Juvia. Maybe its time that Natsu, Grey and Gajeel got promoted to s-class.Gazille was already S-class as a member of Phantom Lord, where he ranked above the Element Four.
Gazille was already S-class as a member of Phantom Lord, where he ranked above the Element Four.
Offically with Fairy tail he is not a s-class mage but he maybe one secretly since he is spying on Raven tail.
Natsu would probably be S-class, as he certainly has the power at this point... only problem is, he has a tendency to go overboard when using it...
He's at Natsu's normal level, maybe slightly higher. Whatever the case, when he teamed up with Natsu and Erza, they were called the strongest team in FT.
Yeah... Gray, IMO is better than Natsu in "normal" mode, in terms of being able to use his strength far more effectively
However, when Natsu goes in Dragon mode, as I'm going to dub it... he's certainly among the most power of all guild members (now if only he would learn to be just a little less destructive... but that's asking the impossible)
cloak_and_dagger
2010-08-27, 16:55
About the whole Lisanna thing, I personally am against her being sucked into the anima, but Mashima cetainly didn't leave her out by accident. There must be a reason for this ...we'll probably find out soon.
Offically with Fairy tail he is not a s-class mage but he maybe one secretly since he is spying on Raven tail.If that's so, how do you figure Juvia is S-class?
He's at Natsu's normal level, maybe slightly higher. Whatever the case, when he teamed up with Natsu and Erza, they were called the strongest team in FT.
Uh...you know that it was a misnomer right? I forgot who, but someone told Lucy that the name was just made up, as Erza, Natsu, and Gray are definitely not the 3 strongest members of Fairy Tail with Luxus, Mistgun, and Gildartz still around.
Yeah... Gray, IMO is better than Natsu in "normal" mode, in terms of being able to use his strength far more effectively
However, when Natsu goes in Dragon mode, as I'm going to dub it... he's certainly among the most power of all guild members (now if only he would learn to be just a little less destructive... but that's asking the impossible)
The thing about Natsu is that he doesn't really use his brain in fighting at all, just pure brute force. However, in his dragon mode, Natsu has been able to defeat enemies because the raw power he has overcomes any ingenuity his enemies possess. In a more realistic situation though, no matter how powerful a person is, if they don't think during fights, they are bound to lose eventually.
About the whole Lisanna thing, I personally am against her being sucked into the anima, but Mashima cetainly didn't leave her out by accident. There must be a reason for this ...we'll probably find out soon.
Honestly, Mashima hasn't developed Lisanna or intrigued me with the idea of Lisanna for me to care about her at all; there's just no emotional attachment to a mere name. The only thing is that she used to be a close friend of Natsu's.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-27, 21:35
Uh...you know that it was a misnomer right? I forgot who, but someone told Lucy that the name was just made up, as Erza, Natsu, and Gray are definitely not the 3 strongest members of Fairy Tail with Luxus, Mistgun, and Gildartz still around.
Miria said that Erza/Natsu/Grey team would be the strongest team in Fairy Tail. As far as who is stronger, Gildartz is obviously the strongest but nothing has been settle on who is the 2nd strongest as Erza and Luxus never fought and Luxus and Mistgun's fight was cut short.
The thing about Natsu is that he doesn't really use his brain in fighting at all, just pure brute force. However, in his dragon mode, Natsu has been able to defeat enemies because the raw power he has overcomes any ingenuity his enemies possess. In a more realistic situation though, no matter how powerful a person is, if they don't think during fights, they are bound to lose eventually.Natsu does think in his fights, he just never thinks before hand but he is very good and adapting to his fights.
Honestly, Mashima hasn't developed Lisanna or intrigued me with the idea of Lisanna for me to care about her at all; there's just no emotional attachment to a mere name. The only thing is that she used to be a close friend of Natsu's.
it doesn't matter if you lisanna but the fact is Mashima been spreading out bits of info on her throughout the series. Whether Edo-Lisanna got sent to Earthland or not, Fairy Tail will have a Lisanna arc sooner or later.
If that's so, how do you figure Juvia is S-class?
Because it stated that she is s-class when Max introduced her at the Miss Fairy Tail contest.
Uh...you know that it was a misnomer right? I forgot who, but someone told Lucy that the name was just made up, as Erza, Natsu, and Gray are definitely not the 3 strongest members of Fairy Tail with Luxus, Mistgun, and Gildartz still around.Technically they can still be the strongest team though, since the higher-ups work solo :p (Depending on whether you count Luxus together with the Raijinshuu, or separately.)
Because it stated that she is s-class when Max introduced her at the Miss Fairy Tail contest.In the translation I have, he says she has "S-class strength", which isn't quite the same as saying she's officially S-class. (And in the anime I think he says her fanservice is S-class.)
But really, I've always assumed both she and Gazille kept their S-ranks. I've never seen any indication that either of them were demoted after switching guilds.
I love this manga Fairy Tail
Uh...you know that it was a misnomer right?
The other strong mages always solo though and the raijinshuu were away at the time, so as a [team] they were indeed the strongest.
In the translation I have, he says she has "S-class strength", which isn't quite the same as saying she's officially S-class. (And in the anime I think he says her fanservice is S-class.)
I think the fanservice bit goes to Lucy, at least it's on one of the cover pages for the manga.
I think the fanservice bit goes to Lucy, at least it's on one of the cover pages for the manga.Ah, that's right. My bad.
We all knew this gonna happen:
http://imgur.com/8NJiv.png
Xellos-_^
2010-08-30, 13:40
damn mishima and his cliffhangers.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 13:43
We all knew this gonna happen:
http://imgur.com/8NJiv.png
how the heck did she come over? She doesn't have inner magic. Maybe it will turn out that that Lisanna was actually from Earth originally and was just pulled into Edoras in the past maybe by a test run of the system. If you see something blast down from the sky and hit her and then she disappears you'd think she'd have been killed rather than pulled to a different world.
Also what happened to panther lily? How did he suddenly become so small? Gazille sure seemed happy about it though. LOL!
Miria said that Erza/Natsu/Grey team would be the strongest team in Fairy Tail. As far as who is stronger, Gildartz is obviously the strongest but nothing has been settle on who is the 2nd strongest as Erza and Luxus never fought and Luxus and Mistgun's fight was cut short.
Right, so we have to extrapolate with the information that was already given. In the battle, Luxus had the upper hand the moment it was interrupted. Now, this can be attributed to Mistgun being cocky or the difference in strength but Luxus had the upper hand.
Also, the first time that Mistgun appeared, he was able to put everyone to sleep, including Erza. It was sort of a surprise attack, but he did practically the same thing, if not stronger to Luxus, who was able to remain awake. Therefore, the power structure would be Luxus, Mistgun, then Erza.
Natsu does think in his fights, he just never thinks before hand but he is very good and adapting to his fights.
Really? Any examples because I don't remember :heh:.
Technically they can still be the strongest team though, since the higher-ups work solo :p (Depending on whether you count Luxus together with the Raijinshuu, or separately.)
The other strong mages always solo though and the raijinshuu were away at the time, so as a [team] they were indeed the strongest.
Yeah, I guess you both are right about them being the strongest team :heh:.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-30, 16:33
Really? Any examples because I don't remember :heh:.
go re-read his fight with cobra.
197 the cover.!!!!!!!
where's lisanna!!!?????????????? PLZ PLZ PLZ let her sucked with anima.!!!!!!
If that happen ..It will be damn intersting,!!!!!
OMG IT'S HAPPENED ...YEEEEEEES:D:D:D:D
Lisanna arc..GOOOO.!!!!
I was 70% sure this will happened in lisanna arc :D:D:D
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3098089#post3098089
:bow::bow::bow: ALL HAIL MISHIMA
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 17:24
OMG IT'S HAPPENED ...YEEEEEEES:D:D:D:D
Lisanna arc..GOOOO.!!!!
I was 70% sure this will happened in lisanna arc :D:D:D
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3098089#post3098089
:bow::bow::bow: ALL HAIL MISHIMA
Now comes the question of whether this Lisanna is actually Earthland's or not. The mere fact she was brought to Earth is a huge hint towards it. Rave has shown graves without bodies in them. People thought to be dead turning up alive and all that so there's a good chance that she could really be Earthland's Lisanna.
Bonta Kun
2010-08-30, 17:38
Now comes the question of whether this Lisanna is actually Earthland's or not. The mere fact she was brought to Earth is a huge hint towards it. Rave has shown graves without bodies in them. People thought to be dead turning up alive and all that so there's a good chance that she could really be Earthland's Lisanna.
I honestly hope it ain't like you said before with Earthland Lisanna being taken to Edo from way before and now she's been brought back to Earthland.
I honestly don't think that makes for good writing. It seemed that the Lisanna we saw in Edo was the real Edo Lisanna and has been from the start.
I would have thought she would have realised that it was her Natsu and Happy that showed up from before and no I won't take amnesia as a answer-__-
....but then I'm willing to just throw all that out the window simply cause it's Lisanna which in turns means we should see more of Mira-chan and Elfman which are some of my fav characters of this series:D
It's 1 set of siblings I really really like. Very rarely I come to like a set of siblings that number 3 or more, there is always something about one of them that will irk me but not here.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 18:08
I honestly hope it ain't like you said before with Earthland Lisanna being taken to Edo from way before and now she's been brought back to Earthland.
I honestly don't think that makes for good writing. It seemed that the Lisanna we saw in Edo was the real Edo Lisanna and has been from the start.
I would have thought she would have realised that it was her Natsu and Happy that showed up from before and no I won't take amnesia as a answer-__-
....but then I'm willing to just throw all that out the window simply cause it's Lisanna which in turns means we should see more of Mira-chan and Elfman which are some of my fav characters of this series:D
It's 1 set of siblings I really really like. Very rarely I come to like a set of siblings that number 3 or more, there is always something about one of them that will irk me but not here.
I'm willing to bet it will be amnesia. Can't really blame it either because either:
1. The damage from Elfman was what caused it.
2. Failed lacrymacation as well as the damage would likely cause enough head trauma for amnesia.
or
3. The transportation to Edoras was incomplete and she fell out of the sky in Edoras.
Anima was still being tested back then if i remember right. It wouldn't be surprising to take individuals with high magic power like Lisanna must have used to stop Elfman and use them as guinea pigs. However an incomplete machine can be dangerous and as a guinea pig for them there could be some danger to her during it.
Now comes the question of whether this Lisanna is actually Earthland's or not. The mere fact she was brought to Earth is a huge hint towards it. Rave has shown graves without bodies in them. People thought to be dead turning up alive and all that so there's a good chance that she could really be Earthland's Lisanna.
She's dead and confirmed from the anime "Ep24". and that's edo lisanna..not the earthland..and how she's sucked still waiting explain from mishima.!
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 18:21
She's dead and confirmed from the anime "Ep24". and that's edo lisanna..not the earthland..and how she's sucked still waiting explain from mishima.!
don't assume that anime FT is exactly the same as manga FT. anime tends to take liberties when the manga author isn't even involved and i've seen some have to go in a completely different direction than the manga because they got rid of or changed important events (ie Rosario vampire anime compared to manga. They took out Tsukune's ghoul side and the second season for the anime became a mess as a result). They used the same events for the most part of that episode WASN'T in the manga and the manga is the only source that counts as canon.
ellifeedn
2010-08-30, 18:27
Consider this then:Since there are two versions of people, Edo and Earthland versions, what are the current status of both versions of Lisanna?
Xellos-_^
2010-08-30, 18:28
don't assume that anime FT is exactly the same as manga FT. anime tends to take liberties when the manga author isn't even involved and i've seen some have to go in a completely different direction than the manga because they got rid of or changed important events (ie Rosario vampire anime compared to manga. They took out Tsukune's ghoul side and the second season for the anime became a mess as a result). They used the same events for the most part of that episode WASN'T in the manga and the manga is the only source that counts as canon.
the manga confirm she was dead. she was shown dying not disappear not getting in the head not dropping off a cliff but dying in either miria or elfman's arm.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 18:36
the manga confirm she was dead. she was shown dying not disappear not getting in the head not dropping off a cliff but dying in either miria or elfman's arm.
she was shown injured, not dead. There had yet to be an actual scene where we see her truly die. Almost like the author was trying to avoid it. Perhaps her goodbye wasn't actually something different. There's no clear flashback of that day in the manga and as such everything is still up in the air. In fact in those scenes the only injury she seems to have is in the head. The rest of the body seems untouched. Amnesia?
read Rave Master and you'll see that "death" is not permanent or just a result of being misinformed for this author.
Fenrir_valindri
2010-08-30, 18:57
Read Rave Master, and notice quite a few characters actually did die for real.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-30, 19:01
she was shown injured, not dead. There had yet to be an actual scene where we see her truly die. Almost like the author was trying to avoid it. Perhaps her goodbye wasn't actually something different. There's no clear flashback of that day in the manga and as such everything is still up in the air. In fact in those scenes the only injury she seems to have is in the head. The rest of the body seems untouched. Amnesia?
read Rave Master and you'll see that "death" is not permanent or just a result of being misinformed for this author.
she was shown dying so unless her body disappear right afterward she is dead.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 19:04
she was shown dying so unless her body disappear right afterward she is dead.
i wouldn't be so sure. She was weak which was to be expected but the injuries didn't exactly look fatal (she barely even looked injured). It's entirely possible something happened beyond that though.
The people who think she's dead saw her dying. They blame her death on events they witnessed firsthand. They saw the aftereffects of those events. The odds of her having "mysteriously disappeared" after suffering fatal wounds from Elfman and Mirajane and Elfman directly attributing her death to Elfman are slim to none. It's not like she died in mysterious circumstances. They saw her get hit. They saw her injured body. They think she died from the hit. Her body did not disappear. Unless you think they never checked if she was dead and just left her on the ground alone in the wilderness. And then decided to make a grave somewhere else for no reason instead of going back for the body.
It is extremely, extremely unlikely that she survived and was transferred to Edo. Like, so ridiculously unlikely that I would be morally obligated to punch Mashima in the face if he did that.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 20:23
The people who think she's dead saw her dying. They blame her death on events they witnessed firsthand. They saw the aftereffects of those events. The odds of her having "mysteriously disappeared" after suffering fatal wounds from Elfman and Mirajane and Elfman directly attributing her death to Elfman are slim to none. It's not like she died in mysterious circumstances. They saw her get hit. They saw her injured body. They think she died from the hit. Her body did not disappear. Unless you think they never checked if she was dead and just left her on the ground alone in the wilderness. And then decided to make a grave somewhere else for no reason instead of going back for the body.
It is extremely, extremely unlikely that she survived and was transferred to Edo. Like, so ridiculously unlikely that I would be morally obligated to punch Mashima in the face if he did that.
as far as Im aware only Elfman and Mira were there. None of the rest of FT were there i believe. there could be events that happened after that made them think she was dead when she actually wasn't
the fact that we haven't seen the events completely likely has a reason. The author just didn't want to put the complete details in form yet for precisely this reason.
How? And even if there were events, why would they blame her death on Elfman's failed Takeover magic instead of those other events? It just doesn't make any sense.
cloak_and_dagger
2010-08-30, 20:31
Just wait for an epic flashback guys. It'll come sooner or later, lol.
Destinyblade
2010-08-30, 22:40
This is just my theory, but I think this Lisanna is from Earthland and the one who died was from Edolas. In other words, the sister the Earthland Mirajane and Elfman knew all along was actually from Edolas and the two Lisannas got switched between worlds (likely through an anima).
Now, how can this happen? Perhaps the switch occurred when they were still babies or something like that. Even if I'm wrong on this theory, the explanation is almost certainly linked to the siblings' past and that will be explored in more detail, such as how they got to Fairy Tail, etc. (kinda like how Erza's past was revealed).
Either way, I'll be very interested to read the next chapter.
cyberdemon
2010-08-30, 23:21
This is just my theory, but I think this Lisanna is from Earthland and the one who died was from Edolas. In other words, the sister the Earthland Mirajane and Elfman knew all along was actually from Edolas and the two Lisannas got switched between worlds (likely through an anima).
Now, how can this happen? Perhaps the switch occurred when they were still babies or something like that. Even if I'm wrong on this theory, the explanation is almost certainly linked to the siblings' past and that will be explored in more detail, such as how they got to Fairy Tail, etc. (kinda like how Erza's past was revealed).
Either way, I'll be very interested to read the next chapter.
i don't think that's it:
The Lisanna that was shown in flashback and the special chapter had inner magic. She was capable of using her magic without the need of magic weapons. Mystogan has been on Earthland for many years yet hasn't developed inner magic. so it doesn't look like just being in Earthland will allow you to develop inner magic. You have to be born there to get it. so being switched at birth isn't very likely.
Destinyblade
2010-08-31, 00:38
i don't think that's it:
The Lisanna that was shown in flashback and the special chapter had inner magic. She was capable of using her magic without the need of magic weapons. Mystogan has been on Earthland for many years yet hasn't developed inner magic. so it doesn't look like just being in Earthland will allow you to develop inner magic. You have to be born there to get it. so being switched at birth isn't very likely.
I get that you're saying that because of Mystogan, but has it been directly stated that those from Edolas are incapable of developing and using magic without using items? In Edolas, you can't use magic without weapons/items, but does that apply when someone from Edolas goes to Earthland? Is it possible that Mystogan simply had a preference to use magic with just weapons/items?
What you're saying probably does make my theory a bit of a stretch, but I still think it's entirely possible.
Whatever the explanation is, I just hope it's not the Lisanna that Natsu remembers and that she has amnesia. Not only is the whole amnesia thing done so many times, but I would take it as the author simply wanting to bring her back in the story.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-31, 14:23
regarding chapter 198 translation.
last page
the eng trans has it as
"supposedly long lost Lisanna has reach here form Edolas"
the correct translation should
"Form Edolas to here, the lisanna who was gone"
The chinese 失去 could be translated as gone or lost.
cyberdemon
2010-08-31, 14:26
regarding chapter 198 translation.
last page
the eng trans has it as
"supposedly long lost Lisanna has reach here form Edolas"
the correct translation should
"Form Edolas to here, the lisanna who was gone"
The chinese 失去 could be translated as gone or lost.
Just read the scanlation. I'm becoming more and more inclined to believe that Lisanna is the Earthland Lisanna.
Xellos-_^
2010-08-31, 14:45
Just read the scanlation. I'm becoming more and more inclined to believe that Lisanna is the Earthland Lisanna.
the translation is crap. the translation needs a editor.
the translation is crap. Who did the eng translation needs a new editor.
They also seem to have omitted the next chapter title. Which is rather a pity as that often gives us an idea of the next chapter.
Bonta Kun
2010-08-31, 14:53
Ok first off, the cover page......bloody great stuff there champ!
I really love Ft's cover pages, some of the best.
And so everyone makes it back to earthland and how they made their return was pretty funny, especially Erza.
The plan about the killing of the dragonslayers was a fake after all. I'm not quite sure what to make of all that but I'm not bothered as I just gonna move along and put it behind me.
Moar funny bits
Happy and his pops were so in sync:heh:
The contagious hand shaking was also very funny:heh:
Panther Lily:heehee: as Happy put it "you sure got alot cuter" such a awesomely cute addition to the gang!:D
And then ends with quite the cliffhanger but as most of us have guessed anyway, LISANNA!!!
Want the next ch now just so I don't burn out the old grey cells thinking too much of the how and why.
So this explain that edolas Lisana has magic inside her?.... oh syet! its the rebirth of NatsuXLisanna! poor Erza and Lucy i want to see them jealous
KoroshiyaX
2010-08-31, 15:07
198 and Lisanna...
Could it be that as she was about to die in the past, she was turned into Lachryma + transferred to Edolas and that process somehow saved her life? May she has been in Lachryma form this whole time and got returned to Earthland with everyone else.
Well i certainly like where this is going. I'm enjoying peoples theories on Lisanna. Can't wait for some explaining in the next chapter, because my god is it going to be good.
& <3333333 that chapter cover. Lucy sure does have the best sex appeal in this series.
cyberdemon
2010-08-31, 15:13
I had a thought concerning Lisanna.
What if Mystogan had sent Lisanna to Edolas? Like he knew that maybe the people of Edoras might try to capture her and send her to Edoras as a prisoner to keep the DS in check when they made their move. Basically hiding her in plain view and knowing that the Edoras FT would take care of her until the time is right. The people of Edoras would just think she was the Lisanna of Edoras and would just see her as any other member of Edoras FT.
If the DS didn't fight then FT was likely finished so it was a necessary sacrifice. Perhaps memories of the events of that day were altered slightly to keep it secret.
cloak_and_dagger
2010-08-31, 15:31
You know, I think it'd be a lot more interesting if it was just the Edolas Lisanna trying to fit in with a dead person's image. Of course it wouldn't be as emotional I guess.
and LOL @ Gazille!
GoldfishLantec
2010-08-31, 15:33
Chapter 55 - Page 7: Lisanna shown with Fairy Tail symbol on her shoulder, Chapter 198: Last two pages show both her shoulders without the symbol and it's on her leg... Guess it isn't Earthland Lisanna
cyberdemon
2010-08-31, 15:37
Chapter 55 - Page 7: Lisanna shown with Fairy Tail symbol on her shoulder, Chapter 198: Last two pages show both her shoulders without the symbol and it's on her leg... Guess it isn't Earthland Lisanna
Not necessarily.
There's isn't any indication that it is a permanent mark. It's possible that you can remove it and put it on a different spot later on.
Bonta Kun
2010-08-31, 16:30
Not necessarily.
There's isn't any indication that it is a permanent mark. It's possible that you can remove it and put it on a different spot later on.
Highly doubt that she would move her mark, if animsia was to play it's part, I don't see her moving her mark for any sorta reason. I would think she would keep it as it is, in hopes it reminds her of her past life or if someone would notice.
I just see no reason to do so and can't see Mashima coming up with a good reason either.
Big question would be is, where or what happened to the real Edo Lisanna, if this Lisanna is from earthland.
Sprite_Coke
2010-08-31, 16:40
Discusison is nice and all, but I'm just appreciating the last page pic. High heels, kneeling, legs spread, short cloth, bondage, and wetness to top it off.
I think that the Lisanna before them is earthland Lisanna. Because she must have internal magic or she wouldn't be there. Edo Lisanna would have been stripped of her magic and not be there. Another thing Edo team Natsu would be there with Earthland Team Natsu. I think the Lisanna that died was the Edo one. Say that after the prince arrived from Edo to Earthland, Edo Lisanna was sent by the king to spy on him. Say she bushwacks earthland Lisanna around the time Natsu finds Happy's Egg. Earthland Lisanna get sent to Edo and grows up there. The Lisanna you see in the picture with Mirajane and Elfman was actually Edo Lisanna. My thing is how Mirajane and Elfman going to react to Lisanna being alive.
I'm glad Gajeel finally got his cat partner.
Not necessarily.
There's isn't any indication that it is a permanent mark. It's possible that you can remove it and put it on a different spot later on.
You're stretching. Yes, it's possible that it's Earthland-Lisanna, in the sense that Mashima could have her be anything, but absolutely nothing hints towards it and plenty of things hint the other direction.
cyberdemon
2010-08-31, 18:32
You're stretching. Yes, it's possible that it's Earthland-Lisanna, in the sense that Mashima could have her be anything, but absolutely nothing hints towards it and plenty of things hint the other direction.
the new chapter is a major hint. The mere fact she's in earthland means that she has inner magic, something Edolas people don't have. Then there's the fact that the full scope of what happened 2 years ago hasn't been mentioned. It's pretty much that Mashima didn't want to show it before now. Possibly for a reason since it could give it away. I'd say there equal evidence for both sides at this point.
That chapter was bloody incredible. Bring on the next one.
Highlights for me:
Everyone`s different expressions as they were falling in the beginning
The Exceed family revelations
Baby Wendy
FT winning at waving (cookies for those who catch the reference)
Panther Lily and Gazille
LISANNA (I fear for my Lucy x Natsu flag, it may be replaced)
So Charle is actually a princess just that she doesn't know that yet.
Cinocard
2010-08-31, 19:55
I had a thought concerning Lisanna.
What if Mystogan had sent Lisanna to Edolas? Like he knew that maybe the people of Edoras might try to capture her and send her to Edoras as a prisoner to keep the DS in check when they made their move. Basically hiding her in plain view and knowing that the Edoras FT would take care of her until the time is right. The people of Edoras would just think she was the Lisanna of Edoras and would just see her as any other member of Edoras FT.
If the DS didn't fight then FT was likely finished so it was a necessary sacrifice. Perhaps memories of the events of that day were altered slightly to keep it secret.
This Lisanna can be from Earthland, but sorry, the theory that Mystogan sent her to Edoras sounds so wrong in many way.
Anyhow, I'm not positive that if this is indeed Earthland Lisanna, she's having an amnesia right now. It seems to me that she really tried to avoid Natsu and co, because she finds it hard to meet them somehow. But yes, the most likely possibility is that the dead Lisanna was Edo Lisanna.
I wonder is Happy gonna stick to wearing clothes now or going back to wear none at all?
There are too many things that don't make sense.
1. The lisanna that died was earthland lisanna, she could use magic and her grave appeared in past episodes.
2. Edoras people can cross the anima (mistgun was a proof of that) so just because earthland lisanna crossed the anime doesn't mean she has inner magic.
3. Edoras lisanna and earthland lisanna don't use the same kind of magic (like edoras natsu and earthland natsu use different magic).
4. I doubt lissana would stay in earthland, she would miss edoras mirajane and elfman.
O M G
This was one plot element that seemed very intriguing, but was only mentioned in passing, and never brought to the fore, but now....
I think I'm looking forward to the next arc more than any other
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 01:12
There are too many things that don't make sense.
1. The lisanna that died was earthland lisanna, she could use magic and her grave appeared in past episodes.
2. Edoras people can cross the anima (mistgun was a proof of that) so just because earthland lisanna crossed the anime doesn't mean she has inner magic.
3. Edoras lisanna and earthland lisanna don't use the same kind of magic (like edoras natsu and earthland natsu use different magic).
4. I doubt lissana would stay in earthland, she would miss edoras mirajane and elfman.
1. a. don't talk about anime for canon. Only manga actually counts.
b. graves don't necessarily have bodies in them (check Rave Master)
2. Mystogan had access and means to study it and find a way. I doubt Lisanna would have a clue what to do even if she got to the anima machine.
3. Mystogan had to give EL-FT something to allow them to use their magic normally in Edolas. If Lisanna is the EL one then she likely didn't get it and had to conform to Edo magic weapons.
4. Same could be said if she was the EL ones and missed the EL Mira and Elfman.
People really need to apply Occam's Razor a bit more. The simplest explanation for this is that this is Edo-Lisanna was dragged here through some freak circumstance when everything else got pulled out. That everyone will indeed be unhappy with this Lisanna being in the wrong world, but the experts in dimensional travel being in the other world means she's stuck here. Leaving her to join this Fairy Tail in order to make a living while she figures out what to do.
The alternative that this is indeed the deceased EL-Lisanna requires multiple convoluted theories about her flawlessly replacing her Edoras self despite several obstacles to doing so. While still leaving her siblings convinced Elfman had killed her, and Natsu and the rest of the guild convinced she was dead without a body.
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 01:43
People really need to apply Occam's Razor a bit more. The simplest explanation for this is that this is Edo-Lisanna was dragged here through some freak circumstance when everything else got pulled out. That everyone will indeed be unhappy with this Lisanna being in the wrong world, but the experts in dimensional travel being in the other world means she's stuck here. Leaving her to join this Fairy Tail in order to make a living while she figures out what to do.
The alternative that this is indeed the deceased EL-Lisanna requires multiple convoluted theories about her flawlessly replacing her Edoras self despite several obstacles to doing so. While still leaving her siblings convinced Elfman had killed her, and Natsu and the rest of the guild convinced she was dead without a body.
In a magic world, nothing is simple.
maybe the grave of lisana was brought to edoras and became lacrima and Gajeel unexpectedly destroy it and turn to a human form! and was suck again to anima through earthland
The tragic irony of things...remember when Charle was bluffing about being the queen's daughter? :heh: Highlights of the chapter: Cover page :love:, Gazille finally getting his own cat, now being brought to the same level as the other DS, and the last page...I think it's the Edo version though. In the case of her being EL-Lisanna, it would most likely require intervention from Mistgun...anyone remember when he came to earthland/how many years ago Lisanna died?
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 03:12
The tragic irony of things...remember when Charle was bluffing about being the queen's daughter? :heh: Highlights of the chapter: Cover page :love:, Gazille finally getting his own cat, now being brought to the same level as the other DS, and the last page...I think it's the Edo version though. In the case of her being EL-Lisanna, it would most likely require intervention from Mistgun...anyone remember when he came to earthland/how many years ago Lisanna died?
believe he came to EL 6 years ago and Lisanna "died" 2 years ago. Not sure when it was that he joined FT.
the hell speakin of mistgun! maybe he and some other guys like Porisika(mentioned in ch 166) or probably makarov wanted to put Lisana to an eternal sleep to awaken Natsu's potential!
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 03:34
the hell speakin of mistgun! maybe he and some other guys like Porisika(mentioned in ch 166) or probably makarov wanted to put Lisana to an eternal sleep to awaken Natsu's potential!
It could've been set up by Makarov. FT does have a fortune teller who fortold that there would be 3 DS in the guild. If she foresaw something like a bigger purpose for her they could've used the events of Elfman going out of control to make her disappear for a while because it was needed. perhaps memories were changed a bit to account for it.
That chapter was pretty damn cheesy, and I loved it!
Tiberium Wolf
2010-09-01, 05:06
Nooooo... I want the manly Lily back!!!
Von Himmel
2010-09-01, 06:54
FFFFFFU-
It's nice to see all those speculation came true D: but still, it's suprising even though we already predicted it lol
I'm sure Lily will 'man up' when he's charged with magic.
Anyway, one possible reason why Lilianna came over could be because she has a lachryma implanted inside her. This charges her with magic, making it as if her body carried internal magic, which the transport latched on and hooked her over.
cloak_and_dagger
2010-09-01, 07:33
I'm more interested in that sparkly cat's relation to the sparkly guy from Blue Pegasus :).
It seems like a lot of characters will get their respective personality-matching cats :D.
On the Lisanna note, we can't definitively reject most of the theories that have been posted already; it's been written well enough that many things could be responsible for her being either Edo or Earthland Lisanna.
P.S.If Mystogan studied that anima, it's very likely that someone did from Earthland as well, making it a possibility to travel back there. I highly doubt this is the last time they go to Edolas. They have superior magic technology. Who knows, the Etherion may even have come from over there(I'm definitely stretching it lol, but you get the idea)
At first I thought this was going to be a moderately successful manga stopping at about 200 or 300, but this has potential to go really far.
1. a. don't talk about anime for canon. Only manga actually counts.
b. graves don't necessarily have bodies in them (check Rave Master)
2. Mystogan had access and means to study it and find a way. I doubt Lisanna would have a clue what to do even if she got to the anima machine.
3. Mystogan had to give EL-FT something to allow them to use their magic normally in Edolas. If Lisanna is the EL one then she likely didn't get it and had to conform to Edo magic weapons.
4. Same could be said if she was the EL ones and missed the EL Mira and Elfman.
Rigth now there is no proof that the lisanna was the earthland one. All these are speculations of mistgun sending her for "no reason".
So far they just show the lisanna of the edoras fairy tail being in earthland by mistake. Everything else is fanon.
Maybe she was holding an eksheed when the reverse anima was activated because she was scared or a fairy tail member.
Edoras lisanna is basically a proof for earthland fairy tail that the events of edoras happened. That lisanna is not the lisanna of natsu memories, she just looks like her.
^ We'll just have to wait for the next chapter, you can't really prove she isn't, so it can go both ways.
Von Himmel
2010-09-01, 10:38
I can't believe I'm seeing a devil's proof in here....
but well, I guess I can see that anything can happen. Somehow this manga always ends up giving the most unexpected plot when a new chapter / arc is released.
In a magic world, nothing is simple.
That's not a very good counter argument. Mystogan having Gerard's face sparked several crazy theories. It turned out to be a pretty simple "He's a Gerard from a parallel world."
^Parallel world theories are just as complex as time travelling ones, which are the top most complex, especially if we get into paradox theory, etc...still, I like Mashima's writing style, his world is very malleable even when using a formulaic plot like the nirvana arc.
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 12:41
That's not a very good counter argument. Mystogan having Gerard's face sparked several crazy theories. It turned out to be a pretty simple "He's a Gerard from a parallel world."
That's not a very good counter argument. You call that simple? Simple would be he's just another projection like the last one. Simple would be he's a twin brother to EL Gerard. Being from another world is NOT simple.
Somehow this manga always ends up giving the most unexpected plot when a new chapter / arc is released.Yeah, ain't it awesome. :heh: This manga shines a lot at the end and beginning of new arcs in the story for some reason.
Anh_Minh
2010-09-01, 17:08
I'm more interested in that sparkly cat's relation to the sparkly guy from Blue Pegasus :).
It seems like a lot of characters will get their respective personality-matching cats :D.
The sparkly guy is actually the Perfume Dragon Slayer. And the cat is his. Problem solved!
The manga has been turning out pretty nicely, and it seems like we're reaching the 200 chapter special. Let's hope it's something nice for the cover art, but knowing the artist, he doesn't disappoint.
cyberdemon
2010-09-01, 21:09
The manga has been turning out pretty nicely, and it seems like we're reaching the 200 chapter special. Let's hope it's something nice for the cover art, but knowing the artist, he doesn't disappoint.
maybe the 200 special could be a complete flashback of what happened to Lisanna 2 years ago. It's about time we got a complete one.
There should be a poll about the ch.200 cover :)
maybe the 200 special could be a complete flashback of what happened to Lisanna 2 years ago. It's about time we got a complete one.
Aren't specials usually out of continuity?
cyberdemon
2010-09-02, 02:07
There should be a poll about the ch.200 cover :)
Aren't specials usually out of continuity?
in this case it's needed for the current story. to possibly explain what is going on this chapter.
in this case it's needed for the current story. to possibly explain what is going on this chapter.
I'm sure Mashima is going to explain the situation eventually, so there's no need to panic. :p
cloak_and_dagger
2010-09-02, 06:05
For once Lucy looks :love: on the cover!
And I must agree with wet bondage Lisanna :love:
Next week come already! T.T
The sparkly guy is actually hte Perfume Dragon Slayer. The and the cat is his. Problem solved!
Well they certainly fit together in their quest to have Erza for dinner :naughty:
about the issue of Lisana, I smell a conspiracy. There's no way Mystogun would have sent anyone of Edoras origin to Earthland. This means Lisana must have come here out of her own will (I doubt she seriously got caught and ended up in Earthland by mistake).
an obvious setup for rivalry between Lucy and Lisana for Natsu? but maybe there's a deeper plot about all the Dragonslayers and villain stuff.
I totally didn't expect Lily to shrink. Quite like this additional FT member. A sombre cat. Wait, but Charie's sombre enough already.
an obvious setup for rivalry between Lucy and Lisana for Natsu?
Romance in my Fairy Tail? Get out of town. :p
Romance in my Fairy Tail? Get out of town. :p
While there's also that, Lucy and Natsu aren't set up to be love interests in the first place, so the very premise makes no sense.
ucy and Natsu aren't set up to be love interests in the first place, so the very premise makes no sense.
Natsu...
1) Recruited Lucy into FT
2) Saved her when she jumped off phantom's tower
3) Has had his moments with the Lucy twins.
I'd say that's enough premise for a Natsu x Lucy, although I'm more into LokixLucy, myself :) A competition from Lisanna would be good...
but maybe there's a deeper plot about all the Dragonslayers and villain stuff.
While FT really gets intricate with the minor details, the general premise is seriously vague...
squaresphere
2010-09-02, 12:51
Liked now they wrapped up this story arc. Will have to wait on the Lisanna angle, just not enough details to support any type of theory right now.
I hope when the dust clears and we find out which Lisanna she is 1) She, Mirajane, and Elfman reform there team and 2) Mirajane returns to her old personality The Demon Mirajane.
cyberdemon
2010-09-02, 21:51
I hope when the dust clears and we find out which Lisanna she is 1) She, Mirajane, and Elfman reform there team and 2) Mirajane returns to her old personality The Demon Mirajane.
i doubt she'll return to her old personality. At most i see it when in battle but not really outside that,
i doubt she'll return to her old personality. At most i see it when in battle but not really outside that,
I just hope that she start taking jobs again and gets her s-class mage status back.
Aren't specials usually out of continuity?
Actually I'm pretty sure that most of the specials/omakes are in continuity, just not clearly placed in the chronology. Sure the Fairy Academy special, the Fairy Megane crossover, and the Happy in Boots special have to be out of continuity.
However, Natsu and the Dragon's Egg, and Welcome to Fairy Hills have both been referenced in the main story.
There's not really anything keeping the "Happy's Little Jobs" shorts, "Fairies at the Beach", "Watch out for that Guy", "Mira-sensei's Transformation Magic Lesson", "Welcome to the Fairy Fountain", "Day of the Fateful Encounter", or "Rainbow Sakura" from being in continuity.
Then there's apparently this: http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Coca-Cola which other than the sponsorship aspects, could easily fit in continuity as well.
i doubt she'll return to her old personality. At most i see it when in battle but not really outside that,
same here. She's the poster girl with a good personality. She's had her moment when rescuing Elfman.
now..... it's gonna be very interesting to see how she reacts when seeing Lisana. Acceptance or rejection? What about Lisana herself? seeing the double of her sister here?
cyberdemon
2010-09-04, 17:43
same here. She's the poster girl with a good personality. She's had her moment when rescuing Elfman.
now..... it's gonna be very interesting to see how she reacts when seeing Lisana. Acceptance or rejection? What about Lisana herself? seeing the double of her sister here?
double or actual is the real question. guess we'll know in a day or 2.
Tiberium Wolf
2010-09-05, 03:32
Wanna bet that Lisana could transform into phoenix type monster and with this lacrima transformation thing revived her!?
Nightengale
2010-09-06, 10:35
Always bet on Mashima.
Great, now Natsu can get himself a proper ship (back) after the potential Erza ship got sunk by Gerard.
When's the wedding and return of Mirajane in leather?
Nightengale
2010-09-06, 10:47
good grief and i thought mashima was better then that.
Honestly, if you didn't see that one coming, you haven't been invested in Fairy Tail well enough.
With the exception of the whole Edoras plot ( which came out of nowhere outside one remark by shota Mistgun, I might add ), you can always bet on Mashima to do the less logical one, especially when driven by the heart.
edit: actually, scratch that last part. :p
good grief and i thought mashima was better then that.
Pretty much my sentiment.
Honestly, if you didn't see that one coming, you haven't been invested in Fairy Tail well enough.
With the exception of the whole Edoras plot ( which came out of nowhere outside one remark by shota Mistgun, I might add ), you can always bet on Mashima to do the less logical one, especially when driven by the heart.
edit: actually, scratch that last part. :p
No, plenty of what Mashima's done in Fairy Tail has been entirely logical. For example, some people were expecting the Exceed to join FT enmass despite the fact that it was pretty illogical. They didn't join. This is quite possibly the weakest bit of writing I've seen out of Mashima.
Xellos-_^
2010-09-06, 12:32
Mashima needs to make up for this by having Miria dress up in her old clothes.
So what happen to edo Lisanna? Did she somehow die before EL Lisanna showed up in Edo.
There's only one problem I have with this current development:
It puts my LucyxNatsu ship under fire. Fight Lucy!!!
Of course, there is the potential that things have changed enough in the past several years that I won't need to worry about a NatsuxLisanna ship...
wait, this is sad. The only thing I'm going ballistic over is the shipping pairs? Dammit!
cyberdemon
2010-09-06, 13:30
There's only one problem I have with this current development:
It puts my LucyxNatsu ship under fire. Fight Lucy!!!
Of course, there is the potential that things have changed enough in the past several years that I won't need to worry about a NatsuxLisanna ship...
wait, this is sad. The only thing I'm going ballistic over is the shipping pairs? Dammit!
Natsu x Lucy was never really used though. They've been together but never really showed interest beyond a platonic relationship. Either it is going to go the NatsuxLisanna route or Lisanna's feelings are meant to jump start lucy's.
My bottom line is that this is probably going to finally add some drama for Natsu... of course, he could also care less and still only be worried about finding Igneel
Bonta Kun
2010-09-06, 14:22
My bottom line is that this is probably going to finally add some drama for Natsu... of course, he could also care less and still only be worried about finding Igneel
Well finding his old man his on the top of his "to do" list but seems pretty obvious he cared a great deal for Lisanna compared to some others.
Hopefully we'll see some sorta develpoment of Natsu towards Lisanna and Lucy.
Would love to see a jealous Lucy:D
Just waiting to see how this is all explained tho. Looking forward to how the deal with the real Edo Lisanna is dealt with.
Kusa-San
2010-09-06, 14:48
WWhat we need is a NatsuXErza :upset:
cyberdemon
2010-09-06, 14:54
Well finding his old man his on the top of his "to do" list but seems pretty obvious he cared a great deal for Lisanna compared to some others.
Hopefully we'll see some sorta develpoment of Natsu towards Lisanna and Lucy.
Would love to see a jealous Lucy:D
Just waiting to see how this is all explained tho. Looking forward to how the deal with the real Edo Lisanna is dealt with.
from what i gather
EL-Lisanna was hurt and lost consciousness in Miras arm. Then right after that the anima sucked her up into Edoras. It appears that she hurt her arm which was why the mark isn't there as well. In Edoras she came across the edo FT. The Lisanna of Edoras was apparently already dead. They all thought she was Edo-Lisanna and she couldn't break it to them and took on the role. Likely moved her FT stamp to the location that Edo-Lisanna had her mark in.
She lived as Edo-Lisanna until Natsu and the other turned up in Edoras. She didn't realize it was them at first (because of happy's mask believe it or not. LOL!) i think she intended to stay in Edoras because she didn't want to hurt Edo-Mira and Edo-Elfman i believe (doesn't make sense since that would mean leaving EL Mira and Elfman). Then the anima sucked all with internal magic out of Edoras and she was dragged out to. The Edo-Mira and Elfman though revealed that they knew Lisanna wasn't actually their Lisanna which made it easier for her to go back.
WWhat we need is a NatsuXErza :upset:
Erza's likely to be with gerard. He will get out and then take on the mask of Mystogan.
Bonta Kun
2010-09-06, 14:59
from what i gather
EL-Lisanna was hurt and lost consciousness in Miras arm. Then right after that the anima sucked her up into Edoras. It appears that she hurt her arm which was why the mark isn't there as well. In Edoras she came across the edo FT. The Lisanna of Edoras was apparently already dead. They all thought she was Edo-Lisanna and she couldn't break it to them and took on the role. Likely moved her FT stamp to the location that Edo-Lisanna had her mark in.
She lived as Edo-Lisanna until Natsu and the other turned up in Edoras. She didn't realize it was them at first (because of happy's mask believe it or not. LOL!) i think she intended to stay in Edoras because she didn't want to hurt Edo-Mira and Edo-Elfman i believe (doesn't make sense since that would mean leaving EL Mira and Elfman). Then the anima sucked all with internal magic out of Edoras and she was dragged out to. The Edo-Mira and Elfman though revealed that they knew Lisanna wasn't actually their Lisanna which made it easier for her to go back.
lol you know I thought it would go something along those lines but I guess I was hoping for something with a little zing to it but well who cares, it's onwards anyway and I'm looking forward to it regardless of how it came about.
cyberdemon
2010-09-06, 15:12
lol you know I thought it would go something along those lines but I guess I was hoping for something with a little zing to it but well who cares, it's onwards anyway and I'm looking forward to it regardless of how it came about.
well there might be more to the story on the edoras end. Like why bring JUST Lisanna over and not Mira and Elfman as well. Maybe there is something special about Lisanna compared to the others that will be important later on.
cloak_and_dagger
2010-09-06, 16:44
I agree with Xellos. I thought Mashima would've done better than that.(this sink, buries, reseurrects and cremates my ErzaxNatsu ship T.T)
Miria back in them leathers would make me very, very happy though. :D
Xellos-_^
2010-09-06, 16:46
I agree with Xellos. I thought Mashima would've done better than that.(this sink, buries, reseurrects and cremates my ErzaxNatsu ship T.T)
Miria back in them leathers would make me very, very happy though. :D
and ponytail
Are the spoilers im reading official?.
If yes, im disappointed.
So that lissana was the earthland lissana?.
So now the mangaka creates a ridiculous excuse for revive a character?.
I expected something better from fairy tail.
All the eksheed excuse was already a weak plot. Now one of the closest friends to the protagonist, that was supposed to be dead, is miraculously alive.
Whats next?. Every single member of fairy tail becoming immortal and defeating all the enemies of the guild with one attack?.
cyberdemon
2010-09-06, 17:02
I agree with Xellos. I thought Mashima would've done better than that.(this sink, buries, reseurrects and cremates my ErzaxNatsu ship T.T)
Miria back in them leathers would make me very, very happy though. :D
ErzaxNatsu was never really a viable option to begin with. She's likely to end with Gerard anyways.
Mira has satan soul, Elfman has beast soul, Lisanna ? now that she's back reform her old team with her sister and brother, join Team Natsu, or join another team like Gajeel and lily? Another think is Gajeel going to tell Lily about his secret mission to monitor Raven tail?
oh syet! nxt ch jealous Lucy?!
PS: my theory is right! just before Lisanna dies she was sent to edolas!
EDIT: So the one who die was the Edolas Lisanna....?
Now it make me think who the real heroine is?..
cuz the interview with Mashima-sensei is that apperently we the readers decides....who's gonna be the princess of our dear DS Natsu
so maybe Lisanna is the real heroine but never the less its up to us!
Yes a miraculous comeback of NatsuXLisa
Possible couples:
NatsuXWendy
NatsuXErza
NatsuXLucy
NatsuXLisa
OR
NatsuXGray
NatsuXGray
NO. NONONONONONONO. We don't need any of THAT around here
besides...
Gray already has Jubia/Lluvia/however her name is spelled
Edge Meltdown
2010-09-07, 00:35
NatsuXGray
you forgot to add NatsuXGazille... nah i'm just playin' XD
lolx....maybe we wont know ^^
Kusa-San
2010-09-07, 02:03
ErzaxNatsu was never really a viable option to begin with. She's likely to end with Gerard anyways.
Nah, we just need to kill Gerard and then NatsuXErza will become reality :cool:
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 02:10
Nah, we just need to kill Gerard and then NatsuXErza will become reality :cool:
planning to kill Lisanna and Lucy too? because they're also far more likely to be with Natsu lol.
Just read the chapter in english.
Fairy tail chapter 199: The worst chapter of fairy tail.
So magically lissana soul was sucked to edolas giving her a new body, while her body was left on earthland.
What a pathetic excuse for revive a character that is not supposed to be there.
It was a very weak explanation, the worst part of fairy tail.
Everything looks so "forced" to fit for what the fans want that makes the whole manga plot to look bad. Its disappointing.
Fairy tail has dropped on my list of good mangas.
Just read the chapter in english.
Fairy tail chapter 199: The worst chapter of fairy tail.
So magically lissana soul was sucked to edolas giving her a new body, while her body was left on earthland.
What a pathetic excuse for revive a character that is not supposed to be there.
It was a very weak explanation, the worst part of fairy tail.
Everything looks so "forced" to fit for what the fans want that makes the whole manga plot to look bad. Its disappointing.
Fairy tail has dropped on my list of good mangas.
I...think you need read the chapter again.
Granted, it was a head scratcher, but you totally read it wrong.
Basically her WHOLE body was sucked into Edolas, if you noticed her wounds are the same before and after she got sucked in. Plus, it was Anima that sucked her in and there was nothing said about it only sucking souls.
I...think you need read the chapter again.
Granted, it was a head scratcher, but you totally read it wrong.
Chapter 199 makes me think all this is just to please the fans, making the plot fit for what the fans want.
So an anima sucked lissana SOUL and gave her a body in edoras (it can't be edoras lissanas body because it was a dead body, broken). Also, the same anima didn't sucked mirajane, how convenient.
Just read the chapter in english.
Fairy tail chapter 199: The worst chapter of fairy tail.
So magically lissana soul was sucked to edolas giving her a new body, while her body was left on earthland.
What a pathetic excuse for revive a character that is not supposed to be there.
It was a very weak explanation, the worst part of fairy tail.
Everything looks so "forced" to fit for what the fans want that makes the whole manga plot to look bad. Its disappointing.
Fairy tail has dropped on my list of good mangas.
She never died in first place. Also - I suggest you drop FT if you didn't see it coming, lol
She never died in first place. Also - I suggest you drop FT if you didn't see it coming, lol
She died, her body was "dead" and in a grave.
Anh_Minh
2010-09-07, 17:14
A body isn't necessary for there to be a tombstone. It's weird they never mentioned the absence of body, yes, but that doesn't mean there was one.
I didn't actually dislike the chapter. Yes, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but the actual delivery's pretty touching, considering.
I doubt mirajane saw the body of her sister being sucked by a misterious hole in the sky and completely ignored it, never mentioned anything about it and even made a grave for her.
Don't make fanon for fill the holes on the plot.
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 17:26
here's the deal with 199
Lisanna was dragged completely into Edoras. Both body and soul. Mira was holding her while she was being sucked in, that is all, her body WASN'T left in EL. They have a grave but it is EMPTY. She never died, merely passed out before being sucked in which is why Mira likely thought she died. They probably looked for a long time before eventually giving up hope.
likely next week will go into full detail on the matter.
Although I knew it was a possibility, I really didn't want this to happen, as it opens up lots of inconsistencies:
1) Why wasn't Mirajane Edo-abducted as well?
2) Didn't she notice the freaking sky tearing up and snatching her sister?
3) How did Lisanna escape lacrimafication under the rule of the ever-greedy Faust, since she had a magically imbued body?
4) It also negates the siblings' remorse on her death, since at least one of the two must have known she was alive...and it will only get worse if Lisanna is proven to have Phoenix soul takeover magic.
Aaaaanyway, although this is very bad, I'll live with it, can't call myself a fan if I can't take one bad chapter every 200 releases :)
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 17:42
Although I knew it was a possibility, I really didn't want this to happen, as it opens up lots of inconsistencies:
1) Why wasn't Mirajane Edo-abducted as well?
2) Didn't she notice the freaking sky tearing up and snatching her sister?
3) How did Lisanna escape lacrimafication under the rule of the ever-greedy Faust, since she had a magically imbued body?
4) It also negates the siblings' remorse on her death, since at least one of the two must have known she was alive...and it will only get worse if Lisanna is proven to have Phoenix soul takeover magic.
Aaaaanyway, although this is very bad, I'll live with it, can't call myself a fan if I can't take one bad chapter every 200 releases :)
1. Likely the anima could be adjusted to take anywhere from single targets to cities. Single targets are good for testing though because it becomes less likely that people will find out about it until they are ready.
2. She probably did but didn't have a clue what it meant. She could've perhaps thought it was some new magic by some dark wizard. It could depend on who they were fighting that caused the rampage.
3. I believe the anima was only completed when FT was sucked up at the beginning of the arc. Likely there were some glitches and rather than put her in lachryma it instead sent her to a random location in Edoras.
4. not really. The 2 of them grew from it until now. Elfman eventually learned to control his takeover magic mostly as a result of this.
Bonta Kun
2010-09-07, 17:55
That was something, it works, simple yea but it works and fits together so no probs from me.
Don't really care about all that anyway, we got Lisanna back and thats all that matters:D
But thing that interests me here is Mira-chan's little smile, I get a odd feeling it might mean more than she is happy to get Lisanna back.
I think Mira-chan might have knew or somewhat guessed what happened to Lisanna but maybe hid it from Elfman and rest.
Maybe theres a chacne we'll see some of the old Mira-chan again:p
Well looking forward to whats to come but I like this chapter, was quite touching.
p.s I love Gaz-kun and how he defends his "cat" now, it's actually pretty darn funny:heh:
I doubt mirajane saw the body of her sister being sucked by a misterious hole in the sky and completely ignored it, never mentioned anything about it and even made a grave for her.
Don't make fanon for fill the holes on the plot.
This is what i think is most important... Lisanna gets sucked up into the sky, and Mirajane and Elfman decides she's DEAD? Wouldn't most people consider her MIA? wouldn't they be more likely to assume that some magic managed to transport her somewhere?
And even if they try the excuse that they tried some form of location magic to find her and determined she was dead when they could not find her... first there is the possibility that she has been captured and hidden away somewhere; afterall it would be foolish to assume that she was taken away by random (even if that was the case) and as such should think it very likely someone kidnapped her... second of all, why would Elfman beat himself up over her death? i mean, sure he can blame himself for hurting her, but it wasn't him who "killed" her, but the giant hole in the sky that sucked her up. All in all it acutally makes more sense for her body to get left behind... ofcourse then we have to ask about her soul getting pulled up and somehow being given a new body like her old one...
Oh and how about asking this... why did she not get turned into a crystal/Lacryma when she was teleported to edolas like EVERYTHING else that anima sucks up?... that is the whole purpose of the anima; suck up magic and turn it into crystals
Honestly i would have much prefered if they just said she disappeared 2 years ago, instead of telling us she's been dead... or if this was actually Edo-lisanna; frankly it might have still provided some interesting development with everyone trying to relate with a twin... this just feels like an enormous asspull/retcon
She died, her body was "dead" and in a grave.
They haven't seen the body. Mira left her while she was retreating.
Xellos-_^
2010-09-07, 17:59
They haven't seen the body. Mira left her while she was retreating.
Miria was holding onto lisanna's body while it got suck up by the amina.
ShiroiRyu
2010-09-07, 18:01
For me ... If that not the explanation who is good (the one who you spoke on this page), i have one name : Mistogan.
He know so much about the Anima, Lacryma ...
And his power can put some person to sleep ...
If he can modify thought ... We have the answer.
But i don't remember when they said/saw not the body of Lisanna.
But actually for me, i'm happy ... I really loved Lisanna. :)
For the "crystal"... And if she was ... a Dragon Slayer ? :s
Don't kill me please.
Miria was holding onto lisanna's body while it got suck up by the amina.
You can't really know that. What we see in the chapter - is only Lisanna's "I probably...".
If you remember how she was "killed" - Elfman was in his beast form, I seriously doubt Mira had enough time to simply go to where Lisanna's body was etc.
Rather than confirming her to be dead, they should have confirmed her to be missing since they witnessed her body being sucked into mysterious hole in the sky.
I'm sure somewhat deep in your hearts that you know she was only brought back because the Japanese fanbase and the Anime staff love her.
Xellos-_^
2010-09-07, 18:08
You can't really know that. What we see in the chapter - is only Lisanna's "I probably...".
If you remember how she was "killed" - Elfman was in his beast form, I seriously doubt Mira had enough time to simply go to where Lisanna's body was etc.
thats the point if they couldn't find the body while did they list her as KIA and why bother with a false grave.
No Body =/ death.
and Miria was holding on to Lisanna both in the pervious flashback and the lisanna flashback.
Wargumm1i
2010-09-07, 18:14
This is great she is alive :D :D :D :D :D guess Natsu is finally going to get his crush back and she is finally back to have a crush on him :P
Rather than confirming her to be dead, they should have confirmed her to be missing since they witnessed her body being sucked into mysterious hole in the sky.
I'm sure somewhat deep in your hearts that you know she was only brought back because the Japanese fanbase and the Anime staff love her.
"she was only brought back because of fanbase and the Anime staff love her."
fixed for truth :D
I can't remember Mira & Elfman seeing her being sucked into the sky. Anyway - she is alive or some kind of iZen technic, or even Gerard(Jelal? How should I call him now?)
Xellos-_^
2010-09-07, 18:16
"she was only brought back because of fanbase and the Anime staff love her."
fixed for truth :D
I can't remember Mira & Elfman seeing her being sucked into the sky. Anyway - she is alive or some kind of iZen technic, or even Gerard(Jelal? How should I call him now?)
try page 8 of the current chapter
try page 8 of the current chapter
And? How can you judge from this? This is just Lisanna's version of what happed. She was unconscious, lol
And? How can you judge from this? This is just Lisanna's version of what happed. She was unconscious, lol
Your argument is bit silly, if it didn't happen, the artist shouldn't have inserted that scene.
Your argument is bit silly, if she was unconscious then the artist shouldn't have inserted that scene.
er?
Let me put a quote here:
2 Years ago, while I was on a job with Mira-nee and Elf-niichan I lost consciousness. I was sucked into anima at that point
Or maybe I'm reading some kind of a bad translation?
PS: lol, you edited your post while I was writting, sorry.
if it didn't happen, the artist shouldn't have inserted that scene.
I guess it'd be better if he didn't, but that's what we've got.
PPS: Whatever - I think it's better to end this talk. Lisanna(or whoever it is) is back. That's the fact.
Honestly i like Lisanna too, but that alone is NOT an excuse for THIS... it's just painful to read
It would have been a thousand times better if they just said she's been missing for the past 2 years. Yes, the reveal that edo-lisanna is really earthland Lisanna would come to very little surprise, but it would have atleast been acceptable writing.
I could really enjoy Lisanna's return, i mean i felt something at the end of the chapter.... but this asspull of writing is just making it really, really hard to enjoy it
ShiroiRyu
2010-09-07, 19:00
But ... I think we will have a better explanation in 200 ...
That which extinguiches life.
With a name like that ... We will know more of Anima ?
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 19:09
But ... I think we will have a better explanation in 200 ...
That which extinguiches life.
With a name like that ... We will know more of Anima ?
I'm betting we'll finally get the full story of that day 2 years ago from Mira. Why she told everyone Lisanna was dead, why Elfman went on a rampage, and all that stuff.
squaresphere
2010-09-07, 19:39
I have to agree the story telling ball was dropped on this one. It's just her "dead" body being sucked up that was the biggest miss step.
If they had set it up that Elfman had hit her into a "deadly unstable energy/crystal/mystic hoodoo" ok sure this would have worked out fine. But even the anime just shows her getting smacked, crashing down to be "dead".
Even with that, FT gets a semi pass as it was never "serious" to begin with.
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 19:43
I have to agree the story telling ball was dropped on this one. It's just her "dead" body being sucked up that was the biggest miss step.
If they had set it up that Elfman had hit her into a "deadly unstable energy/crystal/mystic hoodoo" ok sure this would have worked out fine. But even the anime just shows her getting smacked, crashing down to be "dead".
Even with that, FT gets a semi pass as it was never "serious" to begin with.
anime isn't considered canon. even then the anime director said he actually left her fate open in case she turned out to be alive in the manga. In the manga Lisanna was still alive but unconscious when she was sucked into the anima. there was no resurrection going on.
Sprite_Coke
2010-09-07, 21:00
SICK TWIST: that smile on the last page is an evil smile.
No but seriously, I don't want it to be an evil smile... It's probably Mira's face anyways.
Oh and reverse foreshadowing: Back in ch 197 title page group picture, Lisanna wasn't in it.
Fairy tail chapter 199: The Best chapter of fairy tail.
THIS CHAPTER IS MY DAY
LISANNA earthland IS BACK and alive YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES:hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::kisskiss::kisskiss::kisskiss::kisskiss::kissk iss:
Bye bye lucy bye bye erza...go find someone else
NatsuX lisanna 100% . what a great hug.!!!
eye to eye geez:T_T:
I'm just disappiont about meeting her sister and brother .
Its jsut like that? with mira smile..I don't think there's will be happy chapter next week ..I hope that not true.:eyespin:
One thing i'm happy for it
LISANNA,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
The dead should stay dead. Period.
Ravenblitz
2010-09-07, 22:09
<_< i'm not sure i'd be happy or not but i'm curious of what happened with lisanna in the past years when she "disappeared"
lookin' forward if lisanna's presence will affect natsu and lucy's friendly relationship :heh:
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 22:10
The dead should stay dead. Period.
she wasn't dead so that doesn't quite work.
i have a feeling that next chapter either someone is dying or we're going to see what happened 2 years ago.
Von Himmel
2010-09-07, 23:01
I can't believe that those speculation long time ago are actually true...
cyberdemon
2010-09-07, 23:15
i just had a theory concerning the title of the next chapter.
Luxus's father is looking to take down Fairy Tail. What if he took control of Lisanna's mind 2 years ago which was what caused the incident. Elfman in his rage transformed and lost control. In the ensuing chaos Lisanna was badly hurt. He altered Mira's and Elfman's memories of the events to say that Lisanna died since she instead disappeared which put a ratchet into his plans since she was a key part of his plans. Now that she is back though he might take control again and have her attack and possibly kill someone in FT.
That would create a lot of drama.
Well in Mashima's work there really no such thing as death....its like there body may dissolve but his soul remain just like sieg in rave! and you notice at the garunda what island the first S class....Bobo has a grave but doesn't have its body! means for some reason or another the bobo guy was alive! If anyone of you is unsatisfied by Anima sucking up Lisanna while Mira was there....here a piece of info! they didn't even realise that the whole town was suck to edoras! Gray and Erza explain that they was just there and was save by Gajeel....
And wat the heck! maybe FT may have some little tiny romance in the middle!
it like rave when Haru and Elie was to shy to express his feelings and develope love!
And another good point of reviving Lisanna was to a kinder side in Natsu! cuz Natsu is all way badass always want to fight for a nakama! would it be nice to see him almost die saving a girl he loves!
PS: sorry if some of it doesn't makes sense...cuz im not completely proud of my english!
Anh_Minh
2010-09-08, 00:47
I doubt mirajane saw the body of her sister being sucked by a misterious hole in the sky and completely ignored it, never mentioned anything about it and even made a grave for her.
Don't make fanon for fill the holes on the plot.
That's rich, coming from the guy coming up with "soul sucking + new body" schtick.
thats the point if they couldn't find the body while did they list her as KIA and why bother with a false grave.
No Body =/ death.
and Miria was holding on to Lisanna both in the pervious flashback and the lisanna flashback.
As was said, that's just what Lisanna imagined happened. Maybe Mirajane was unconscious for a bit of that battle and when they woke up, they figured Elfman ate her. Whole.
cyberdemon
2010-09-08, 00:51
As was said, that's just what Lisanna imagined happened. Maybe Mirajane was unconscious for a bit of that battle and when they woke up, they figured Elfman ate her. Whole.
perhaps their memory of the events was tampered with. Maybe by the person that cause Elfman to transform and go wild.
Xellos-_^
2010-09-08, 00:52
That's rich, coming from the guy coming up with "soul sucking + new body" schtick.
As was said, that's just what Lisanna imagined happened. Maybe Mirajane was unconscious for a bit of that battle and when they woke up, they figured Elfman ate her. Whole.
we also had mirajane's pervious flashback of holding Lisanna upto the point that lisanna went unconscious.
cyberdemon
2010-09-08, 01:03
anyone else think Mira's smile on the last page was rather creepy (the one that only showed half the face)? Somehow it didn't feel like a glad to see you alive smile. Maybe she's actually a bad guy and that's why she told everyone that Lisanna had died.
I'll take it as a cheap transition from sad/surprised to happy, although she may know more than she let Elfman in on.
Hmm here's hoping for more elaboration on Lisanna's 'transfer' in the future, and hoping that it could be a major plot point perhaps, because it seriously felt to 'sudden' to be a one-shot event. A flashback seeing how she tried to stop enraged Elfman and how that led to her disappearance would be cool to see too.
Other than that... very very cool and heartwarming chapter. I think I was shocked as much as Natsu and co. were when they found out. (I also screamed 'WHAT?!' rather loud). Loved the end also... though how did they know Elfman and Mira were at the graveyard? From their roughed up looks they didn't even stop by the guild or anything to ask where they were....... haha. Maybe today is a special day and they knew they'd be there or something....?
The last page with Mira... being an avid manga reader, that kind of frame transition to a smile is usually... sinister in nature. I really really would love to think it's simply Shocked -> Happy. Though having it portrayed like that made me think she might know that she wasn't really 'dead' per se, but still gone nonetheless. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Also, I have a feeling shippers are gonna have a field day with this chapter. The only person Natsu liked is back? Natsu is the first (and only) person she hugged out of the group? ZOMG!
You know, this chapter was very heartwarming.
ShiroiRyu
2010-09-08, 02:09
Other than that... very very cool and heartwarming chapter. I think I was shocked as much as Natsu and co. were when they found out. (I also screamed 'WHAT?!' rather loud). Loved the end also... though how did they know Elfman and Mira were at the graveyard? From their roughed up looks they didn't even stop by the guild or anything to ask where they were....... haha. Maybe today is a special day and they knew they'd be there or something....?
Before the event of Anima, they said they will going to the graveyard : That was the second birthday of Lisanna death. ^^
she wasn't dead so that doesn't quite work.
That's called a retcon.
Nightengale
2010-09-08, 06:25
Personally, I'm expecting there to be some sort of revelation on why Mirajane idiot-ed out. But then again, this is Mashima, I'm not holding out.
There's still one more link to Edoras that has yet to be explained, and it is how Luxus found out that Mystogan ( and by extension, the existence of a different world altogether ) is what it was. Daddy, maybe?
My main issue was personally, Lisanna's reason for not telling. I wouldn't had minded if she was just shell-shocked, and intends to tell Natsu and Happy in secret afterwards, but no, somehow her actual siblings, actual guild mates, and the version of the guy she loves more is less important than 2 alternate world siblings ( who aren't even alike in character then ) she knew for only 2 years.
Of all the available ideas ( amnesia, shell-shock, BSOD, etc ), Mashima went with the self-sacrifice at the cost of something greater, which was pretty much retarded in my opinion.
On the topic of Mashima's decision to revive her though, I've always suspected the possibility. Though we've seen her death flashback scene and grave, we were never presented with a lengthy one which actually showed her 'dead' or with a corpse. I do believe that he only gave it serious consideration once Gildartz came back. The mention of Lisanna to Natsu, the anniversary of her death, AND an alternate world where proxies of FT exist, and Lisanna just happened to be alive then?
That sealed the deal for me, personally.
Kusa-San
2010-09-08, 06:37
Even if Erza is still my fav girl, I like Lisanna too so I'm not against a NatsuXLisannaXErza. The only thing that I don't want is for Natsu to end up with Lucy. Please everything but not that :uhoh:
Now, I hope the next arc will be about the dragons of Natsu, Gajeel and Wendy and that it will focus on the three of them going after them.
There's still one more link to Edoras that has yet to be explained, and it is how Luxus found out that Mystogan ( and by extension, the existence of a different world altogether ) is what it was. Daddy, maybe?
I'm expecting the next chapter to be a flashback of Mira/Mistgun in a fateful meeting when Lisanna was just about to die. I suspect he was still creating anima in a prototype stage and promised he could save her, but in a "you'll never see her again" kinda way...Luxus or his father intervening somehow is also a possibility, since the latter was expelled for risking the lives of his fellow members too.
wingman32x
2010-09-08, 08:42
Good chapter. So it does seem to be earthland Lisanna. I don't buy her explanation one bit though. There's almost certainly another element to this. The scene with Lisanna reuniting with elfman and Mira was touching, but it was so unrealistic. If I was visiting the grave of a loved one, and said loved one came running twords you, any normal person would have a heart attack due to shock. But this is the world of FT, where unexplained things do happen often.
Like I said earlier, if Lisanna's half-assed explanation is all we get, then this is a pretty big DEM plothole. I'll wait a couple of chapters before making a call on that though.
So does the reentry of Lisanna make way for the death of Lucy? You know, since I wouldnt mind if she took Lucy's place in the story.
If someone is MIA for two years you generally assume they are dead. MIA usually means KIA where they cant find your body. If you want to point out their slightl y wierd reunion, thats one thing, cant fault them for thinking she died though.
Anyway, hadnt Mira and Elfman gone to her grave shortly before the anima hit? Probably came back there.
Nightengale
2010-09-08, 10:09
So does the reentry of Lisanna make way for the death of Lucy? You know, since I wouldnt mind if she took Lucy's place in the story.
They'll probably shuffle the 'main team' every now and then. Erza, Natsu, Lucy and Gray will probably be the mainstay of any arc, but others will depend on their necessity during said arcs.
Gazille for one, won't be in the group when they get to the Raven Tail arc because of his double agent role. I think Wendy will have a low-presence for a while too, because the last 2 arcs covered both her basic story, and (somewhat) brought an emotional closure to her crush and separation with Mystogan.
I expect Lisanna to get her chance to show her groove in the next arc, we have been lacking some beast transformation ever since the last show of Demon Mirajane.
If someone is MIA for two years you generally assume they are dead. MIA usually means KIA where they cant find your body. If you want to point out their slightl y wierd reunion, thats one thing, cant fault them for thinking she died though.
The reason why people assume an MIA person is dead is because under NORMAL circumstance, an MIA person would have found a way to contact someone after awhile... the only logical reason an MIA person would not contact someone is because they were lost in the wilderness where they would be lost and have no form of communication; and when it comes down to it 99% of the people in the real world could not survive in the wildernes on their own
in contrast, if an MIA person was actually kidnapped by someone; the police would always operate under the assumption that the kidnapper was still keeping the person alive and hold out hope.
In the case of Lisanna, she was swept away by a giant magically vortex in the sky of unknown origin and power... yes death is a possibility, but only one of thousands...
-the magic could have teleported Lisanna to a part of the world(or another dimension apparently) where she could not find her way back or find a way to communicate
-The magic could have been the work of a dark guild, and it was there method of capturing mages; meaning Lisanna could have been imprisoned for the past 2 years
-The magic could have teleported her somewhere else and given her amnesia
-The magic could have turned her into a bird
-The magic could have trapped her inside of a crystal
-The magic could have turned her into cabbage
There are MANY things that magic could have done and as such its pretty bad to give up hope and declare her dead when the fact of the matter is that she could have still been alive and in need of rescue... if anything, Mira and Elfman should have spent all their time and energy taking jobs in far off places so that they keep on searching; not just for Lisanna herself but any information they can find on the magic to figure out what happened to her.
My main issue was personally, Lisanna's reason for not telling. I wouldn't had minded if she was just shell-shocked, and intends to tell Natsu and Happy in secret afterwards, but no, somehow her actual siblings, actual guild mates, and the version of the guy she loves more is less important than 2 alternate world siblings ( who aren't even alike in character then ) she knew for only 2 years.
Of all the available ideas ( amnesia, shell-shock, BSOD, etc ), Mashima went with the self-sacrifice at the cost of something greater, which was pretty much retarded in my opinion.
Yeah, that's the part that grates on me the most.
I find it rather difficult to believe her unbridled joy at seeing people again, since she saw Natsu and Happy just days ago and said nothing despite the fact that they clearly thought her dead, and still deeply missed her (and if Natsu and Happy are like that, then what of her Mirajane and Elfman?)
That was before Natsu explained that her Mirajane, her Elfman, and all the people of Fairy Tail that she grew to adulthood with were in mortal danger (with an unspoken worst case scenario that they were already dead) and she does nothing.
Edo-Lucy goes after Natsu to make sure he's ok, something Lisanna could easily do herself as well, and get the chance to talk to Natsu, find out how her real siblings are fairing, let them know she's alive but wants to stay for the sake of Edo-FT, yet she stays at Edo-Fairy Tail doing nothing. She didn't do anything until Edo-Lucy returned and convinced the guild as a whole to help.
That's not just self-sacrifice of her own happiness. Lisanna was placing the happiness of people she'd known for two years, over the happiness and lives of her real siblings, and the guild she grew up in. Doing her level best to ignore them, and the danger they were in.
So I'm supposed to find her reunions heartwarming when just days earlier she'd valued the happiness of people she'd known for two years who thought she was someone else, above the lives of the people she's reuniting with?
Yeah, not working for me.
^that is a good point that you bring up...
Natsu and Wendy explained that Fiary Tail had been taken by anima and they were being converted into raw magic... that's a huge "hey lisanna, your brother, sister and everyone else you ever knew and loved ARE ABOUT TO DIE!"... honestly, choosing to keep comforting Edolas fairytail as opposed to going back to earthland is one thing, but knowing that her loved ones in danger and doing NOTHING to save them is pretty damn unacceptable... instead of Edo-Lucy going after them, Lisanna should have went; or she should have atleast gone with edo-Lucy
And another thing i thought of... she mentioned needing to work hard to keep her magic hidden. why? didn't we establish that earthland mages need to eat magical plot devices pills to have access to her magic... no need to hide your magic if you can't use it
And lovely how she could be so heavily hurt by elfman that she would loose consciousness, attacked so badly that elfman thought he had killed her, but remain uninjured enough so that she would be able to find her way edo-fairytail...
cyberdemon
2010-09-08, 12:20
That's called a retcon.
actually it was always just a claim. Before now it never showed her dying. Aside from characters believing it to be the case there wasn't any concrete facts. So it wasn't retcon. Retcon would be actually showing her dying and dead and then having her be alive later. This isn't retcon, this is different.
@Krono- they might not have immediately declared her dead but searched for her under the assumption that it merely took her someplace else. i imagine that they probably went to the old lady of FT who seems to be a seer as well (like the prophecy of the 3 DS being done by her). If she was to say something like "she is no longer a part of this world" most might take that to mean dead especially when they don't know about other worlds.
btw anyone notice that Lisanna made no mention of Elfmman going on a rampage in her explanation? She just says she lost consciousness on a mission and was sucked into the anima while she was out. Kinda seems like to her it was just a normal injury, not one given by her brother. It might seem small and easily explainable but what if it was written intentionally like that (Mshima seems the king of leaving out details that are important later on)? kinda going with the altered memory idea. What if the events we "know" were made and not what actually happened? Lisanna was simply hurt and sucked into the anima. Elfman and Mira's memories on the event were changed so that they blamed themselves for her "death" (an effective way of weakening strong opponents as shown with how they were at the beginning of the manga as a result of it).
Rickketik
2010-09-08, 12:42
So, no arc about Lisanna after all.. To bad, it would have been very interesting.
And I don't like how the mangaka explained her disappearance.. and in just one chapter.. It feels extremely lousy.
Anh_Minh
2010-09-08, 13:11
Personally, I'm expecting there to be some sort of revelation on why Mirajane idiot-ed out. But then again, this is Mashima, I'm not holding out.
There's still one more link to Edoras that has yet to be explained, and it is how Luxus found out that Mystogan ( and by extension, the existence of a different world altogether ) is what it was. Daddy, maybe?
My main issue was personally, Lisanna's reason for not telling. I wouldn't had minded if she was just shell-shocked, and intends to tell Natsu and Happy in secret afterwards, but no, somehow her actual siblings, actual guild mates, and the version of the guy she loves more is less important than 2 alternate world siblings ( who aren't even alike in character then ) she knew for only 2 years.
Of all the available ideas ( amnesia, shell-shock, BSOD, etc ), Mashima went with the self-sacrifice at the cost of something greater, which was pretty much retarded in my opinion.
I interpret it as a snap decision made while in shock at Natsu's appearance, and that she didn't question afterward.
So, no arc about Lisanna after all.. To bad, it would have been very interesting.
And I don't like how the mangaka explained her disappearance.. and in just one chapter.. It feels extremely lousy.
It ain't over yet...shouldn't judge a story until we get to the end of it.
Knightrunner
2010-09-08, 16:11
In the manga and anime the tatoos are in different spots. In the anime I notice the tatoo in the shoulder, but in the manga it is in her leg? Isn't an error in the anime part or is it move in a different spot?
Tempest35
2010-09-08, 16:25
Who are you talking about? Mira or Lisanna? Mira's always had her FT tattoo on her leg. As for Lisanna, she could have had the tattoo moved while in Edoras.
In the manga and anime the tatoos are in different spots. In the anime I notice the tatoo in the shoulder, but in the manga it is in her leg? Isn't an error in the anime part or is it move in a different spot?
The tatoo's are different in the manga aswell
Check back to Elfman's fight with what's-his-name from Phantom... there's a flashback where you can see the tatoo on her shoulder
As for Lisanna, she could have had the tattoo moved while in Edoras.
Yes, while the moving tatoo is notable, when it comes down to it there is nothing really saying you can't remove it... afterall, from what we saw it was less of a tatoo and more like it was stamped on
it just more of what we have to swallow to accept this outcome...
Knightrunner
2010-09-08, 16:40
Who are you talking about? Mira or Lisanna? Mira's always had her FT tattoo on her leg. As for Lisanna, she could have had the tattoo moved while in Edoras.
I was talking about Lisanna. In the anime it showed it in the shoulder but now it is in the thigh. I'm wondering if it was always in the thigh in the past manga.
@Krono- they might not have immediately declared her dead but searched for her under the assumption that it merely took her someplace else. i imagine that they probably went to the old lady of FT who seems to be a seer as well (like the prophecy of the 3 DS being done by her). If she was to say something like "she is no longer a part of this world" most might take that to mean dead especially when they don't know about other worlds.
? Were you trying to respond to slayerx's points about her being MIA?
I interpret it as a snap decision made while in shock at Natsu's appearance, and that she didn't question afterward.
If it was just a matter of not revealing herself when Natsu first showed up, that would be one thing. But her response to Natsu explaining that her actual brother and sister, as well as everyone in the guild and town she'd spent four years of her life in growing to adulthood in, were going to die; was to run out of the room and think "I don't want the people I've known for 2 years and love someone I've been mistaken for and not the real me to be sad."
And proceed to do nothing, even as the Lisanna of Edoras, despite the Lucy of Edoras doing plenty.
I was talking about Lisanna. In the anime it showed it in the shoulder but now it is in the thigh. I'm wondering if it was always in the thigh in the past manga.
It was on her shoulder in the past manga.
KrimzonStriker
2010-09-08, 19:07
Well, speaking in terms of her own perspective, I believe one likely explanation for Lisanna's reaction was just as much about having grown accustomed to living with her Edolas selves as it was about just moving on in general with everyone having moved on with their lives up till now back at Earth-land and the resulting confusion that would bring. I'd be a bit unsure myself under those circumstances as to what the proper course of action would be and what would be best for everyone at this point.
Regardless of the reasoning, I still love Lisanna.
*Raises shiny new Natsu x Lisanna flag...and uses the Natsu x Lucy flag as a blanket*
cyberdemon
2010-09-08, 21:48
I was talking about Lisanna. In the anime it showed it in the shoulder but now it is in the thigh. I'm wondering if it was always in the thigh in the past manga.
it was on her shoulder in the manga. Likely the Lisanna of Edoras had the stamp on her thigh instead. EL-Lisanna hurt her arm in the area that the stamp was in the issue with Elfman. Likely she lost her stamp or was a convenient way to hide it from Edo-FT in the beginning. When Lisanna decided she was going to take on the role of her other self she probably moved the stamp to her thigh. or she put it there in memory of her real sister whose mark is also on her left thigh.
The short answer is that it doesn't make any sense, but here we are so we might as well accept it.
For a second i thought i was reading a topic about naruto.
Heartwarming crap and fanboys will be happy even if it doesn't make any sense.
Unless chapter 200 gives a very good explanation about all the crap of the 199 (which i doubt) fairy tail quality will drop.
Bad chapter.
Well, speaking in terms of her own perspective, I believe one likely explanation for Lisanna's reaction was just as much about having grown accustomed to living with her Edolas selves as it was about just moving on in general with everyone having moved on with their lives up till now back at Earth-land and the resulting confusion that would bring. I'd be a bit unsure myself under those circumstances as to what the proper course of action would be and what would be best for everyone at this point.
That would be somewhat reasonable if Natsu was just passing through on a random mission. The problem is that Natsu and Wendy explained that Lisanna's real siblings were about to die. There was no apparent debate as to what her proper course of action was, she instantly leap to "I can't do anything or I'll hurt my false siblings." as her proper course of action. If she really cared about her siblings as much as this chapter is supposed to make us feel, she would have tried to do what was best for everyone, which includes taking proactive steps to help save her real siblings. Instead she takes the course of action that's only what's best for her false siblings, and does nothing until other people get the entire guild moving to do something.
That's why I can't find this chapter touching, her actions aren't matching what are supposed to be the depths of her feelings. As best I can tell from her stated actions and reasons, Lisanna cares more about Edo-Mirajane, Edo-Elfman, and the Edo-Fairy Tail who don't know and love the real her, than the siblings and guild she grew up with and went through far more with. Yet I'm supposed to find her reunion with people she apparently cares less about to be heartwarming? Just doesn't work for me.
Knightrunner
2010-09-09, 00:19
That would be somewhat reasonable if Natsu was just passing through on a random mission. The problem is that Natsu and Wendy explained that Lisanna's real siblings were about to die. There was no apparent debate as to what her proper course of action was, she instantly leap to "I can't do anything or I'll hurt my false siblings." as her proper course of action. If she really cared about her siblings as much as this chapter is supposed to make us feel, she would have tried to do what was best for everyone, which includes taking proactive steps to help save her real siblings. Instead she takes the course of action that's only what's best for her false siblings, and does nothing until other people get the entire guild moving to do something.
That's why I can't find this chapter touching, her actions aren't matching what are supposed to be the depths of her feelings. As best I can tell from her stated actions and reasons, Lisanna cares more about Edo-Mirajane, Edo-Elfman, and the Edo-Fairy Tail who don't know and love the real her, than the siblings and guild she grew up with and went through far more with. Yet I'm supposed to find her reunion with people she apparently cares less about to be heartwarming? Just doesn't work for me.
I kind of find her actions strange too. I didn't like how they tried to explain why Lisanna was back in one episode and how she was back too life. I thought Mira and Elfman buried her body in the cemetary they are visiting, but I guess I am wrong. I wondered if they ever thought of where is my sister's body or something. I guess more things will reveal itself in the next chapter. Now the whole Lucy and Lisanna thing with Natsu is going to be odd. Plus, Erza is moving her way up to becoming Guild Master.
I forgot but who is the strongest member in fairy tail? Was his name Gilroy. I can't remember.
cyberdemon
2010-09-09, 00:43
I kind of find her actions strange too. I didn't like how they tried to explain why Lisanna was back in one episode and how she was back too life. I thought Mira and Elfman buried her body in the cemetary they are visiting, but I guess I am wrong. I wondered if they ever thought of where is my sister's body or something. I guess more things will reveal itself in the next chapter. Now the whole Lucy and Lisanna thing with Natsu is going to be odd. Plus, Erza is moving her way up to becoming Guild Master.
i do find that a bit odd. What caused Elfman to transform and rampage like that? Why was everyone so sure she was dead? I pointed this out before and i will again. What if Elfman and Mira had their memories of the event tampered with? Like someone from that day was trying to hide something. They made it so that Lisanna was "dead" which is why they all thought that. Who would have motive to do this? Possibly Luxus's father who seems to have everything to gain by crippling 2 S class mages of Fairy Tail could be the one at fault.
I forgot but who is the strongest member in fairy tail? Was his name Gilroy. I can't remember.
Makarov is the strongest i believe. Other than him likely Gildartz who destroys stuff simply by touching it and is allowed to go on 100 year missions which none of the rest of the s class mages of FT seem allowed to do.
here's another alternative to what i mentioned about as well. I posted it on onemanga but i think it could have some strength to it. It's in concern to the title of the next chapter "That which Extinguishes Life". It also fills in some of the plotholes still left behind by Lisanna's "death" 2 years ago:
i really think Makarov is going to die. Gildartz coming back is a key point to that. He's probably the strongest in the guild besides Makarov. Everyone seems to truly respect and like him as well. He'd probably be first choice as the successor for leadership. With his injuries he'd be able to stop missions and be able to take care of the guild full time. Now that he is back i see Makarov as likely getting killed by someone possibly inside the guild. Then Gildartz takes over afterwards. Mira's smile at the end of this chapter is wierd like i said. Perhaps she was a traitor who was responsible for the events 2 years ago which was why she lied and said Lisanna was dead (lets face it, she had quite a nasty attitude back then). With Lisanna back she ends up taking action.
Anh_Minh
2010-09-09, 01:37
For a second i thought i was reading a topic about naruto.
Heartwarming crap and fanboys will be happy even if it doesn't make any sense.
Well, yes. Have you considered that if you're reading FT for the plot, maybe the problem's with you?
Isekaijin
2010-09-09, 03:19
The Gerad/Mistgun/whatever is the only case of duplicates or twins this manga can pull off. So I can safely say that this girl is the true Lisanna.
Now then
LET THE SHIPPING WAR BEGIN!!
Von Himmel
2010-09-09, 06:14
Considering the fact that the mangaka always seems trying to imply something from a very small details, I think the issue about her tatoo is important in the future...perhaps. I'm in for a giant plot that centered around Lisanna.
Okaeri, Lisanna. :T_T::T_T::T_T::T_T::T_T::T_T:
i do find that a bit odd. What caused Elfman to transform and rampage like that?
Actually i thought it was a simply case of him loosing control...
He was tampering with magical might he was not prepared to handle. that's why he got so worried about using it during the phantom lord fight, and why Mira was worried that he he had lost consciousness again when he finally did
Yeah, that's not mysterious at all. He transformed to fight something because that's just how his magic works but couldn't control it afterwards.
That would be somewhat reasonable if Natsu was just passing through on a random mission. The problem is that Natsu and Wendy explained that Lisanna's real siblings were about to die. There was no apparent debate as to what her proper course of action was, she instantly leap to "I can't do anything or I'll hurt my false siblings." as her proper course of action. If she really cared about her siblings as much as this chapter is supposed to make us feel, she would have tried to do what was best for everyone, which includes taking proactive steps to help save her real siblings.
It annoys me too... and the thing of it is, there was actually some real good potential here. Think of it, Lisanna's magic is animal transformation. What we COULD have had was that throughout their adventurers in Edolas, Natsu and Happy could have found them selves being help by one or several random animals. Being Saved on numerous occasions or something like that... In retrospect we would realize that the animals were actually lisanna helping them from the shadows
ofcourse the only problem with this is the fact that earthland mages have no access to their magic until they manage to find little magical plot devices... so Lisanna would not have had access to her transformation magic... and ofcourse this still doesn't address the bullshit around her supposed death and survival
Lisanna's survival is so random i mean rly wouldnt mirajine notice that she got pulled in the Anima
they couldn't possibly just leave her corpse i was expecting a better explanation for that plus
why would Lily think she's suspicious its like the whole thing about lisanna is unplanned well i hope theres another explanation next chapter.
It annoys me too... and the thing of it is, there was actually some real good potential here. Think of it, Lisanna's magic is animal transformation. What we COULD have had was that throughout their adventurers in Edolas, Natsu and Happy could have found them selves being help by one or several random animals. Being Saved on numerous occasions or something like that... In retrospect we would realize that the animals were actually lisanna helping them from the shadows
ofcourse the only problem with this is the fact that earthland mages have no access to their magic until they manage to find little magical plot devices... so Lisanna would not have had access to her transformation magic... and ofcourse this still doesn't address the bullshit around her supposed death and survival
Really, if they just had Lisanna include in her explanation that she spent the entire time after Natsu left Edo-Fairy Tail trying to convince them to help Natsu, that would cover most of it as far as my complaint about her apparently not being concerned about the impending death of her siblings. Unfortunately, they didn't.
You actually raise another possible plot hole. She said she hid her magic, implying that she could still use it while in Edoras. Which raises the question of why she could use her magic when no one else could. The flip side of this is that if she couldn't use her magic, it raises the wallbanger that she had compelling reason to believe that Natsu would have trouble as well, and didn't even do anything that would check if he was affected or warn him. The only possible excuse that avoids an outright plothole or wallbanger is that Lisanna never even tried to use her magic in Edoras, which kind of stretches credibility.
cyberdemon
2010-09-09, 12:38
Actually i thought it was a simply case of him loosing control...
He was tampering with magical might he was not prepared to handle. that's why he got so worried about using it during the phantom lord fight, and why Mira was worried that he he had lost consciousness again when he finally did
but what caused him to use a transformation that he was probably aware had such risks especially with Mira and Lisanna around? Something must've droven him to the edge to take such a risk. Who could he have been fighting that drove him so far? This isn't like the anime where it has been shown. The manga has still shown nothing on the situation. Something else might've happened that day that we don't know of.
Xellos-_^
2010-09-09, 12:45
but what caused him to use a transformation that he was probably aware had such risks especially with Mira and Lisanna around? Something must've droven him to the edge to take such a risk. Who could he have been fighting that drove him so far? This isn't like the anime where it has been shown. The manga has still shown nothing on the situation. Something else might've happened that day that we don't know of.
form the manga so far we know Lisanna's injuries were form Elfman losing control and that up until the Phantom arc Elfman still didn't have full control of his powers. The only question is what cause Elfman to lose control in the first place.
but what caused him to use a transformation that he was probably aware had such risks especially with Mira and Lisanna around? Something must've droven him to the edge to take such a risk. Who could he have been fighting that drove him so far? This isn't like the anime where it has been shown. The manga has still shown nothing on the situation. Something else might've happened that day that we don't know of.
Actually there is nothing saying he was aware of the risks... We know from the dragon Egg Side story, that Elfman for some reason was unable to use fullbody transformation like Lisanna and Mirajane could. If Elfman was not able to do a fullbody transformation then there is no way he could know the risks. Most likely the incident with Lisanna was the first and only time Elfman used a full transformation... until Phantom Lord that is
We also know that Mira was an S-class mage which means that they could have been on an S-class mission which could have been very dangerous even for her; very easy to believe they would be pushed into a desperate situation. Hell given that he did not know how dangerous the transformation might have been, the full transformation might NOT have been needed and he might have did it for no reason other than to prove he could; a foolish and immature decision brought on by him underestimating the power of his magic... that would only add even more to tragedy if he killed her using magic he did not need to use.
cyberdemon
2010-09-09, 13:02
Actually there is nothing saying he was aware of the risks... We know from the dragon Egg Side story, that Elfman for some reason was unable to use fullbody transformation like Lisanna and Mirajane could. If Elfman was not able to do a fullbody transformation then there is no way he could know the risks. Most likely the incident with Lisanna was the first and only time Elfman used a full transformation... until Phantom Lord that is
We also know that Mira was an S-class mage which means that they could have been on an S-class mission which could have been very dangerous even for her; very easy to believe they would be pushed into a desperate situation. Hell given that he did not know how dangerous the transformation might have been, the full transformation might NOT have been needed and he might have did it for no reason other than to prove he could; a foolish and immature decision brought on by him underestimating the power of his magic... that would only add even more to tragedy if he killed her using magic he did not need to use.
Lisanna wasn't an S class mage and I seriously doubt Makarov would allow her to be taken on one at her age. More likely a lower class one that went out of control by an unknown factor. That unknown factor could be the key to all that happened.
Lissana was on Mira's team. All three siblings worked together. I don't think there's any restriction of S-class mages bringing teammates along with them. Makarov would probably trust the leader to protect them.
What was Lisanna's rank? :confused: I don't remember any being mentioned...
What was Lisanna's rank? :confused: I don't remember any being mentioned...
It wasn't mentioned, though it probably wasn't S-Rank. Though as Clarste says, the S-class mages can probably bring non S-Class teammates along with them. The dialogue after the guild is rebuilt suggests that is the case as I recall.
No one has ranks. There's just "ready for S-class missions" and "not ready for S-class missions".
cyberdemon
2010-09-09, 14:27
It wasn't mentioned, though it probably wasn't S-Rank. Though as Clarste says, the S-class mages can probably bring non S-Class teammates along with them. The dialogue after the guild is rebuilt suggests that is the case as I recall.
I think that was actually a new rule that was made after the guild was remade, not one from before.
^ Check ch.103 "Home", since Mira says that the party must still have an S-rank mage to take on an S-rank mission, it applied before as well.
Lisanna wasn't an S class mage and I seriously doubt Makarov would allow her to be taken on one at her age. More likely a lower class one that went out of control by an unknown factor. That unknown factor could be the key to all that happened.
As others have said there doesn't seem to be a huge problem with an S-rank mage taking some lower rank back up... if Makarov believes that an S-rank mage can handle it solo, then additional mages would probably only help lower the risk for the s-rank mage
Take for instance the lullaby mission... though it was unranked, Erza apparently felt it unwise to take on this task solo, and thus brought alone a pair of A-rank mages, Happy and a mage she hardly knew... Makarov would not question her judgement and allow it... Natsu, grey, Lucy, and Happy... none of them could take this solo, but itwas fine since they were with erza
but ofcourse... shit happens
Xhokhusmak
2010-09-09, 16:27
the meaningfulness of the emotional scars for Mira and Elfman just completely flew out of the window
now THAT makes me wanna cry T_T
matsunaga_hisahide
2010-09-09, 16:50
Hmmm...it just seems so random.
You know what? Who is to say this is the real Lisanna?
Maybe this is some kind of fake?
Someone might take advantage of that...someone who watched Fairy Tail and the recent events. Maybe he/she was caught by surprise by Lily and transformed into Lisanna seeing "her" chance now?
Really...this just reeks too much of happiness. All that story about Natsu, Elfman, Mira and a lot of the others in Fairy Tail...they all grew on that, even though it was dramatic, sad situation and got stronger. Without that, there´s a huge part of them "missing".
I really think (or hope) this is some kind of setup by an "evil force" to decept our Fairy Tail heroes and get into the guild to catch them off-guard. Lisanna and that moment are just perfect. Really, if someone knows all the details, they could easily use that against them.
Though it sounds kinda dumb that someone knows about Lisanna and all the recent events in the parallel world, but this "she´s alive YAY"-story is even dumber.
Tsuyoshi
2010-09-09, 17:02
Hmmm...it just seems so random.
You know what? Who is to say this is the real Lisanna?
Maybe this is some kind of fake?
Someone might take advantage of that...someone who watched Fairy Tail and the recent events. Maybe he/she was caught by surprise by Lily and transformed into Lisanna seeing "her" chance now?
Really...this just reeks too much of happiness. All that story about Natsu, Elfman, Mira and a lot of the others in Fairy Tail...they all grew on that, even though it was dramatic, sad situation and got stronger. Without that, there´s a huge part of them "missing".
I really think (or hope) this is some kind of setup by an "evil force" to decept our Fairy Tail heroes and get into the guild to catch them off-guard. Lisanna and that moment are just perfect. Really, if someone knows all the details, they could easily use that against them.
Though it sounds kinda dumb that someone knows about Lisanna and all the recent events in the parallel world, but this "she´s alive YAY"-story is even dumber.
I'd want to believe that theory if it was based on more solid facts apart from a suspicion that it all seems too easy that Lisanna came back. Fact of the matter is that Lisanna got dragged back to Earthland by the Anima. She could easily have lied about who she is and her story, but who else to believe at this stage? The fact that she seems very familiar with Earthland's fairy tail members is more of a hint that she's being honest about what happened to her before.
matsunaga_hisahide
2010-09-09, 17:12
Yep, you´re probably right.
Still, I want to believe that some "evil power" is behind all this.
Also...didn´t they bury her? Mira was holding her lifeless body afterall back then...would someone look what´s in her coffin?
Sorry if I got a wrong memory there, but I seriously don´t buy this. As many have stated here, there are too many holes for it to make sense.
Tsuyoshi
2010-09-09, 17:26
Yep, you´re probably right.
Still, I want to believe that some "evil power" is behind all this.
Also...didn´t they bury her? Mira was holding her lifeless body afterall back then...would someone look what´s in her coffin?
Sorry if I got a wrong memory there, but I seriously don´t buy this. As many have stated here, there are too many holes for it to make sense.
Which panel was it exactly? If it was the one from this chapter then I'd say that it's irrelevant. She was sucked in by the Anima but it's unlikely that Mira knew what it was that happened to her exactly and assumed that she had died. They probably erected a tombstone to commemorate her, but I doubt there's an actual coffin underneath. If you mean a panel from one of the earlier chapters, then it's either an inconsistency or you may actually be right and that's not the real Lisanna. However, at this stage, I don't want to believe there's some other evil force from Edoland who wants to destroy fairy tail in Earthland. The main reason Edoland wanted Earthland was for their unlimited supply of magic. Edoland has no reason to attack Earthland anymore now that they're under Gérard's rule, so I seriously doubt that Edoland has something against Fairy Tail at this point. Otherwise, Lisanna would've sabotaged them much earlier on. If she's not on their side, I think now would be too late to strike them.
cloak_and_dagger
2010-09-09, 17:28
It would be wonderful if Mirajane was evil or under extremely powerful mind control. That'd allow for Mashima's bad writing to be patched up.
That is not inspired by the image of her back in them leather pants. :heh:
christinemarie
2010-09-09, 18:42
Kimagure Orange Road Plot Situation
The swap happened during the time when the Lisanna of Edoland is falling and when Lisanna of Earthland is hit by her Mindless brother. However Lisanna's body of Edoland was buried in Earthland. Then it disappeared and returned to Edoland, before Lisanna of Earthland appeared in Edoland probably days later.
Lisanna's return is necessary for Fairy Tail (I want the previous wild Mira Jane persona to return permanently.)
Next chapter should be a date between Lisanna and Natsu. (Or even greater Marriage!!)
Tsuyoshi
2010-09-09, 18:45
Kimagure Orange Road Plot Situation
The swap happened during the time when the Lisanna of Edoland is falling and when Lisanna of Earthland is hit by her Mindless brother. However Lisanna's body of Edoland was buried in Earthland. Then it disappeared and returned to Edoland, before Lisanna of Earthland appeared in Edoland probably days later.
Lisanna's return is necessary for Fairy Tail (I want the previous wild Mira Jane persona to return permanently.)
Next chapter should be a date between Lisanna and Natsu. (Or even greater Marriage!!)
But did they really swap? How was it possible that Edoland's Lisanna would get sucked in by the Anima? She had no magic power the way Earthland's Lisanna did.
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