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Catgirls
2006-08-05, 18:37
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The part 2 episode of the Karura arc. Juxtaposing the preview and my knowledge of the events that transpired from episode 18, the following is likely to happen:
- More information about Karura and Derihorai's people, the Giriyagina.
- More information about Karura's background regarding her capture and imprisonment onboard the ship in episode 10.
- Derihorai will probably soften up and be more willing to accept the help from strangers.
- There will be an assault on the Na Tunk palace. Most of the fighting will take place in the throne room, and judging from the amount of soldiers he has with him (The emperor's name is Suonkasu (pronounced Sonkas), it's there on the credits), the emperor expects it.
- Flowers will have some kind of significance in episode 19.
- The title of episode 19 is "The Parting". Best guess, somebody's going to die.
My opinion of this Karura arc is that it is in the intention of developing a sub-character's storyline. Since it offers nothing to the MAIN main characters, it is my belief that this leg could have been avoided altogether. But since everybody has already had their share of emphasis, I suppose this could be done. And no way can this be resolved in a single episode.
However, this is a fairly quick judgement, since we haven't seen the episode yet. For all we know, Hakuoro gets strange visions like he did towards the end of episode 4. And if those visions get elaborated, then I'd say this would be a lot more meaningful of a sub-plot.
My opinion of this Karura arc is that it is in the intention of developing a sub-character's storyline. Since it offers nothing to the MAIN main characters, it is my belief that this leg could have been avoided altogether. But since everybody has already had their share of emphasis, I suppose this could be done. And no way can this be resolved in a single episode.
However, this is a fairly quick judgement, since we haven't seen the episode yet. For all we know, Hakuoro gets strange visions like he did towards the end of episode 4. And if those visions get elaborated, then I'd say this would be a lot more meaningful of a sub-plot.
I do not know about the "developing a sub-characters" line. To me it seems unlikely that they will spend two episodes on developing a "sub-character" when the others barely got an episode. Maybe I'm hoping that Karura-sama will get a bigger role, main-character-like role. Perhaps. Maybe its just to introduce yet another villain, or more allies for Hakuoro in his final fight. In anycase, UtaMono may just be following tradition and introducing YET another 2-episode arc so dangerously close to the 26th episode - trying as best to cramp in stuff from the game. Still, I hold to my hope that the next episode will follow into the final arc.
Hmm. Then again, the low low low possibility that somehow this was part of the final arc hasnt escape me. :heh: I try too hard.
sazan fan
2006-08-06, 20:54
Umm... someone has already voted ep 19 as a perfect 10 when it hasn't aired yet?
Omniscient
2006-08-07, 19:50
Episode 19 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/08/07/utawarerumono-19/)
Let's see...lots of fighting, Derihourai realizes who Karura really is, Urutori and Kamyu get to fire off their magic in tandem...
And Oboro once again loses out on everything, outwitted again by his sister (that was the comedic relief for the episode).
Hm, that was a quick end. Oh well!
mikemil828
2006-08-08, 00:19
Wow, looks like Karura can punch grunt heads right off their bodies....
ah good ep...
i liked karura from the past and of course her untied hair ^^
SailorMoon4ever
2006-08-08, 00:53
Great episode this anime seems to be getting better as time passes..
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-08, 05:55
Havent seen it yet .. cant find the Torrent. and waiting for it to be translated
since it's licensed in the US maybe you shouldn't mention torrents :)
I heard of free kills, but the antagonist in this episode really takes the cake. ;)
I heard of free kills, but the antagonist in this episode really takes the cake. ;)
Agreed!
With his mad dagger-tossing skills, I thought Suonkasu would have put up more of a fight... kinda anti-climactic. ;P Still a good ep tho.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-08, 08:07
since it's licensed in the US maybe you shouldn't mention torrents :)
Opps my bad >.> sorry
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2006-08-08, 09:38
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Renegade334
2006-08-08, 10:28
Stop while you're ahead, Kyero - asking this will automatically bring up Catgirls' banned topics and I'm sure it's not worth a ban, short term or not. Let's just drop it. The usual channels should still be up, so 'nuff said. Otherwise, see if you can take a subscription to some Japanese tv channels...if it's possible in Florida.
BTW. Yeah, Suonkasu went down faster (2 eps only O_x) than I thought and had this arc not come with the welcome input about Karura's personality and past with some "fanservice" (soft, though) and comic relief, I'm sure it'd have been completely expendable and unworthy of our attention. Even bordering on the title of 'filler arc'....
The next ep part, however, held more my attention than anything else. Especially knowing that it's going to pave the way to the final arc. Things are really going to get interesting. Bring the heavies, Kuuya! :D
Just a thought i got... :p
What if Derihourai start to call Hakuoro "aniki" or "anija" (older brother) too? Will Oboro get jealous and pick a fight with him? ;)
Kyero Fox
2006-08-08, 16:33
I dont think Derihourai is gona stay with them
Good episode, but they cut a LOT of great lines for Karura. :(
In the game, she holds Suonkasu in his last breath, and tells him
she didn't dislike him, and for just now and now only, she'll love him more than anyone else, as he died.
The history for his affection towards Karura was cut also, and the fact that Karura literrally "CRUSHED HIS BALLS" in the past... which most likely is the reason why Suonkasu speaks feminine :)
She then called Hakuoro "My love" in her own language.
I really wanted to see those scenes...
Some of those things you mentioned? No way ho-say, unless she wants Eruruu to poison her sake or something. Like it or not, the anime is focusing more on Hakuoro's reliability in leadership, rather than his pimp powers.
If they attempt to follow every single plot thread, it ain't gonna work out well. Far better to just focus on a few choice threads and do it well.
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-08, 20:50
what? Kakura actually....
...loved him? but only when he was dying.... :rolleyes:
I feel sorry for Hakuoro.... :D :D
Kakura: I love you Hakuoro!
*swats him with the sword*
..Now more then EVAAARR!!
:D
Furudanuki
2006-08-08, 21:30
The history for his affection towards Karura was cut also, and the fact that Karura literrally "CRUSHED HIS BALLS" in the past... which most likely is the reason why Suonkasu speaks feminine :)
Ahhh, would you care to elaborate on why and how this event came about?
Ahhh, would you care to elaborate on why and how this event came about?
If my memory serves correct (it's been 4 years since I played the game)
It's not explained much.
It's suggested that he kinda forced himself on her,
and her answer was to literally grab his balls and *squish*.
Ever since then, he hasn't been a full man. :D
USCPharmacist
2006-08-09, 00:09
Wow, that dude went down so fast.....no wonder Karura want to stay with Hakuro. Who would want to stay with some loser brother when you can join the Harem of Ultimate winnage!!!! ahahaha lol
I've notice something, the people in Shadow Warrior Chronicles (lol) seem to have no concept of nation. They follow one dude until that dude dies, then they just go back to their merry life and let other dude rules them over. I guess in order to take over the world all Hakuro has to do is to assasinate all the rulers in the world haahha. Although I am pretty sure that the reason the soldiers gave up so fast at the end of the episode is because nobody really like that fag, kinda like how the Iraqis gave up (as least initially) once Sadam was removed from power by the Americans. Unfortunately, the constraint of a TV series really hamper the director effort in portraying the story in a logical manner.
Owaranai Destiny
2006-08-09, 00:27
I've notice something, the people in Shadow Warrior Chronicles (lol) seem to have no concept of nation. They follow one dude until that dude dies, then they just go back to their merry life and let other dude rules them over. I guess in order to take over the world all Hakuro has to do is to assasinate all the rulers in the world haahha. Although I am pretty sure that the reason the soldiers gave up so fast at the end of the episode is because nobody really like that fag, kinda like how the Iraqis gave up (as least initially) once Sadam was removed from power by the Americans. Unfortunately, the constraint of a TV series really hamper the director effort in portraying the story in a logical manner.
For good to exist, there must be evil, I suppose. Consider the rulers so far who were defeated/killed/horribly mutilated by Hakuoro. None of them were portraited to be compassionate rulers who cared about their own people, and that's just what happens. You might want to consider whether the system of ruling in one country has any impact, like it could be passed down in a family, which doesn't necessarily mean having good rulers in the future.
It does seem somewhat illogical since it seems to be a prominent pattern in the show, but normally, wouldn't a citizen wish to have a better ruler in place of a tyrant?
^ I would actually expect a tyrant to have at least "brainwashed" the populace (or at least a part of it) to see his idealogy; thus resulting in at least some resistance against Hakuoro's rule. Then again, it could be because Hakuoro himself doesnt seem to have a culture/idealogy of his own to spread, enforce; and maybe thats why the "conquered" people accept him; they are free to belief/think what they want to.
In anycase, I dont think the Anime goes that deep.
Renegade334
2006-08-09, 03:11
^ I would actually expect a tyrant to have at least "brainwashed" the populace (or at least a part of it) to see his idealogy; thus resulting in at least some resistance against Hakuoro's rule. Then again, it could be because Hakuoro himself doesnt seem to have a culture/idealogy of his own to spread, enforce; and maybe thats why the "conquered" people accept him; they are free to belief/think what they want to.
In anycase, I dont think the Anime goes that deep.
Not necessarily or, at best, not that obviously. In the game, Hakuoro's way of dealing with things would perhaps be a little more comprehensible - as long as you've reached the end and get to know why Hakuoro behaves thusly...since there is a reason, one surprising explanation for his benevolence - but I won't go into specifics.
So, no, the anime doesn't seem to go that deep but I suppose the audience won't even consider that aspect of the series until they have learnt about all the secrets behind the UM universe. Until then we will predictably just go along with the idea that Hakuoro is your umpteenth Good-guy-turned-leader-that-can't-go-or-commit-evil. It's only when you gather your wits after the end and try to create a comprehensive timeline that you piece all things together and get to understand Hakuoro a little better. But that's a story for another time.
you gather your wits after the end
Its that good huh. I'll be anticipating it.
Renegade334
2006-08-09, 04:57
I didn't say it was baffling or mind-numbing but it's a bit confusing since it involves a fair share of flashbacks and past events that can be misleading unless one draws the aforementioned timeline and reorganizes everything into a comprehensive sequence. However, if you get the basis for the ending one should expect impressive scenes...which should...logically dwarf those encountered heretofore.
Especially the final fight.
But, yeah, the truth behind Hakuoro, his origins and his true nature is quite astonishing. Right now people consider him as a Hulk-spinoff but there's more to him than meets the eye.
BTW, I find the preview for ep20 quite interesting since it shows something that'd pave the way up to the final arc.
Yeah, I thought the fight with Suonkasu was a bit disappointing. Though I guess it shouldn't be surprising, as they took Nuwangi and Sasante's battle prowess out of the anime as well. The part where they showed the flowers growing up from the corpses was really well done, in my opinion, and is a part where the anime adaptation can be superior to the game.
Next up, Demon King Gaav^W^W^Wnew guy shows up!
Kyero Fox
2006-08-09, 13:08
they seriusly made Karura overpowered lol she reminds me of the movie "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" You gotta be pretty strong to last long in bed with her XD
USCPharmacist
2006-08-09, 13:18
What bed, that guy got his balls crushed by Karura for forcing himself on her.....although I must comment the guy for loving her still after he became half a man....hehehe
This was one of the more interesting episodes I've seen. In a way, it's very general and predictable, and yet part me feels like it was done with a bit of flair.
You might say it's along the same lines as episode 7, when Hakuoro led the final battle to defeat Inkara. There's planning, there's moments of passiveness, and of course there's fighting. The things I like about the episode is how all the animation was fresh, with only one repeated animation (the soldiers walking on water lol). Looks like the producers are being less lazy, heh. Regarding the story and fighting, it's much more focused, like I get the sense that it's more than just an effort to advance the storyline. I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but I feel this episode had more of a "meaningful fight", if you know what I mean.
I love Suonkas this episode, very well done. He reminds me of a Romeo trying to woo her Juliet with the tone of his speech. I'm certainly glad he got a voice, and mind you, a very good guest V.A. at that.
I have to say that this is one of the more nicely animated episodes I've seen. Lots of movement, and I'm not just talking about open and closed mouths. Definately had a lot of vigor.
8/10
Portions that bugged me: Like Zalas said, I felt that Suonkas died a little bit effortlessly. Yes, the death was well done with the splashing of water and the blood staining the flower pedals. Very mystic. But Suonkas was portrayed as all talk. I'm pretty sure that if I expected to encounter two Giriyagina in my throne room, I'd carry and throw more than two shurikens (throwing weapons from FFXI :P ).
I think Karura was a little quick to leave Derihourai behind as well. Then again, it tells us a little something about how our buff harem girl's mind works. At the same time, despite the realization that the two are siblings, I wished that Karura showed a little more emotion or sympathy for him (but if your brother turned into someone who got smug with his strength, I'd punch him 10 meters away myself). In short, I could be misinterpreting, but it's still a little uncharacteristic.
Dang, if wars could only be stopped by simply slaying your national leader, the Roman Empire might've had a different outcome. ;x
And other things...
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Episode 20 marks the beginning of a brand new plot. New characters, mostly belonging to the rabbit-ear "species", new battles, new villians. Kuuya is back, and what's up with those machines? I sense less funny and more serious business, business that will affect either Hakuoro or Eruruu...or both. Despite non-stop episodes of being accustomed to one another, Eruruu is doing it again: she overhears something while serving tea (that's probably her in the short clip when Benaui and Hakuoro are discussing matters), closes the door behind her, and leans against it in anxiety or worry. With 7 episodes to go, it's time to pick up the pace.
I'm excited to see how the blue-haired person will be voiced. He is absolutely...CRAZY in the game. I'm pretty certain that the series won't die down now, and the focus will probably stay on Hakuoro. I am anxious to see if the producers are going to make Kuuya and Sakuya's identities known in episode 20 than it did in the game, because that's going to cause a lot of commotion.
It's the beginning of the end of Utawarerumono. >_<
Kyero Fox
2006-08-09, 14:07
What bed, that guy got his balls crushed by Karura for forcing himself on her.....although I must comment the guy for loving her still after he became half a man....hehehe
I'm talking about anyone ... not that misster
what? Kakura actually....
...loved him? but only when he was dying.... :rolleyes:
I feel sorry for Hakuoro.... :D :D
Kakura: I love you Hakuoro!
*swats him with the sword*
..Now more then EVAAARR!!
:D
That was just a figure of speech, in the moment everyone hated him she didn't andf the he died and back to hate :heh: I know you were joking but it's so fun to be a smartass and correct people :D
Kyero Fox
2006-08-09, 14:38
Being in love with Karura will be like this movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4crZVBsTyNA
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-09, 15:48
Good episode, but they cut a LOT of great lines for Karura. :(
In the game, she holds Suonkasu in his last breath, and tells him
she didn't dislike him, and for just now and now only, she'll love him more than anyone else, as he died.
The history for his affection towards Karura was cut also, and the fact that Karura literrally "CRUSHED HIS BALLS" in the past... which most likely is the reason why Suonkasu speaks feminine :)
She then called Hakuoro "My love" in her own language.
I really wanted to see those scenes...
Could you tell me the whole story of Karura and Suonkasu please?
and what were those "great lines" of Karura? :)
Being in love with Karura will be like this movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4crZVBsTyNA
Hey, don't overreact... Karura will never become like that. :p
But just in case, is better Hakuoro pay atention to Karura and start to treat her VERY kindly, keeping her in her happy good side. :heh:
We all know she already has the habit of visiting him in his bedroom late at night. ;)
Could you tell me the whole story of Karura and Suonkasu please?
and what were those "great lines" of Karura? :)
Like I said above, not much at all are revealed.
I don't remember exact lines, since it's been 4 years since I played the game..
but I had the save files still on my PC, so I reinstalled the game just now :D
Here's how it goes. A lot more depth about Karura than the anime could cover.
She just says "have you forgotten what I did to you when you tried to make me yours? Is not losing your manhood enough?"
And Suonkasu replies "I'm actually glad you took away the filthy symbol of masculinity"
After a while of talk, Suonkasu tells her to come to him,
Karura runs to Hakuoro, puts his hands over her breast and her crotch, and says "I'm already this man's property".
Comic ensues.
As Derihourai delivers final blow to Suonkasu, in his last strength he still gets up, calling out Karura's name. He calls her his "Rayana-Somukai", goddess of sun.
Karura holds him in her arms, and tells him she will love him only this time, more than anyone else. And tells him to rest in her arms.
"farewell... I didn't dislike you."
Later day, Delihourai visits Tsusukuru and finds out the man that helped him out was the lord of that country.
The same evening, Karura and Hakuoro meets up, just the two of them.
Karura tells him the story about Giriyagina people.
About a great kingdom ruled by a powerful tribe of Giriyagina, with prosperity.
The king was the most powerful man in the land, and he had two children.
Innocent girl who doesn't know anything about the outside world, and a little boy.
The boy went everywhere with his sister, and she couldn't help but spoil him.
But the days of their prosperity came to an abrupt end.
They were overthrown by tribe they considered inferior, and couldn't possibly do them any harm. Their pride brought them to their end.
When Hakuoro tells her she can return to her land if she wills,
but she replies "The woman named Karuraatsurei no longer lives.
She then shows her affection towards Hakuoro, leans on his chest and says "Saharie-Natourita".
It means my dear loved one, in old tongue.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-10, 05:42
Like I said above, not much at all are revealed.
I don't remember exact lines, since it's been 4 years since I played the game..
but I had the save files still on my PC, so I reinstalled the game just now :D
Here's how it goes. A lot more depth about Karura than the anime could cover.
She just says "have you forgotten what I did to you when you tried to make me yours? Is not losing your manhood enough?"
And Suonkasu replies "I'm actually glad you took away the filthy symbol of masculinity"
After a while of talk, Suonkasu tells her to come to him,
Karura runs to Hakuoro, puts his hands over her breast and her crotch, and says "I'm already this man's property".
Comic ensues.
As Derihourai delivers final blow to Suonkasu, in his last strength he still gets up, calling out Karura's name. He calls her his "Rayana-Somukai", goddess of sun.
Karura holds him in her arms, and tells him she will love him only this time, more than anyone else. And tells him to rest in her arms.
"farewell... I didn't dislike you."
Later day, Delihourai visits Tosukuru and finds out the man that helped him out was the lord of that country.
The same evening, Karura and Hakuoro meets up, just the two of them.
Karura tells him the story about Giriyagina people.
About a great kingdom ruled by a powerful tribe of Giriyagina, with prosperity.
The king was the most powerful man in the land, and he had two children.
Innocent girl who doesn't know anything about the outside world, and a little boy.
The boy went everywhere with his sister, and she couldn't help by spoil him.
But the days of their prosperity came to an abrupt end.
They were overthrown by tribe they considered inferior, and couldn't possibly do them any harm. Their pride brought them to their end.
When Hakuoro tells her she can return to her land if she wills,
but she replies "The woman named Karuraatsurei no longer lives.
She then shows her affection towards Hakuoro, leans on his chest and says "Saharie-Natourita".
It means my dear loved one, in old tongue.
Thats so romantic XD
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-10, 06:45
Like I said above, not much at all are revealed.
I don't remember exact lines, since it's been 4 years since I played the game..
but I had the save files still on my PC, so I reinstalled the game just now :D
Here's how it goes. A lot more depth about Karura than the anime could cover.
She just says "have you forgotten what I did to you when you tried to make me yours? Is not losing your manhood enough?"
And Suonkasu replies "I'm actually glad you took away the filthy symbol of masculinity"
After a while of talk, Suonkasu tells her to come to him,
Karura runs to Hakuoro, puts his hands over her breast and her crotch, and says "I'm already this man's property".
Comic ensues.
As Derihourai delivers final blow to Suonkasu, in his last strength he still gets up, calling out Karura's name. He calls her his "Rayana-Somukai", goddess of sun.
Karura holds him in her arms, and tells him she will love him only this time, more than anyone else. And tells him to rest in her arms.
"farewell... I didn't dislike you."
Later day, Delihourai visits Tosukuru and finds out the man that helped him out was the lord of that country.
The same evening, Karura and Hakuoro meets up, just the two of them.
Karura tells him the story about Giriyagina people.
About a great kingdom ruled by a powerful tribe of Giriyagina, with prosperity.
The king was the most powerful man in the land, and he had two children.
Innocent girl who doesn't know anything about the outside world, and a little boy.
The boy went everywhere with his sister, and she couldn't help by spoil him.
But the days of their prosperity came to an abrupt end.
They were overthrown by tribe they considered inferior, and couldn't possibly do them any harm. Their pride brought them to their end.
When Hakuoro tells her she can return to her land if she wills,
but she replies "The woman named Karuraatsurei no longer lives.
She then shows her affection towards Hakuoro, leans on his chest and says "Saharie-Natourita".
It means my dear loved one, in old tongue.
thanks for the infos :)
I wanted more information on the history between Karura and Suonkasu not the "breaking part" lol
You don't mean... "squishing part"? :D
Anyway, that's was great. It' a shame they didn't put in the anime at least her last words to Sounkasu, and the way she was refering to Hakuoro.
I would love to see Eruruu's face...
... when she listen Karura's saying she is Hakuoro's property now, and calling him "her loved one". ;)
KaneDragon
2006-08-10, 08:55
Seriously, it seems like all the "Evil Overlords" are just insane. I was expecting the guy to have mad magic skillz, a "flower power" if you will. You know, you see pretty flowers, then suddenly... the flowers attack! @_@
Renegade334
2006-08-10, 09:20
I think Suonkasu was more delusional and obsessed than insane seeing how he had a fixation on Karura. After all the whole rebellion thingy had been manipulated so that he could make her come back in Nan-Tunku...but apart from that he doesn't show any evil that could live up to Yue/Niwe's standards.
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Maybe Karura just messed up his hormonal chemistry when she squished the little Suonkasu Twins...http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/31.gifhttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif
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BTW, those flowers - do they have red petals underneath the white ones or what? When Suonkasu was struck to death by Derihourai the flowers around him suddenly turn red but I see neither blood in the water or red spatters on the nearby stones...so I'm wondering...unless of course they cut down the suggestive blood pool to the bare minimum (so much for Niwe's death, then)...or they just forgot about it.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-10, 10:02
His blood changed there color to red .. In anime i guess there a curtain kind of flower that grows on rotting corpse :) ... Same thing that happened on Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater.
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-10, 11:47
You don't mean... "squishing part"? :D
... when she listen Karura's saying she is Hakuoro's property now, and calling him "her loved one". ;)
either way it's broken right? lol
from what I've read about the game it would be nice if we could see
Karura doing that pose 'I belong to Hakuoro' in the anime
Darklightz
2006-08-10, 14:13
I don't know if it's because the past episode were so good but episode 19 was...bland.Hakuoro and co come in castle,kill insane emperor,peace comes back,the end.Some nice fighting scene but nothing really original.
It was funny to see Oboro trying to follow the girls around though
Kyero Fox
2006-08-10, 17:13
I think Oboro has the hots for that angel girl XD
Orchunter226
2006-08-10, 18:00
I think Oboro has the hots for that angel girl XD
Yea, but he's definately creepy. I think he is making Aruruu especially uncomfortable. Crazy Oboro.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-10, 18:17
lol i feel sorry for him XD hes now the weakest fighter of the gang
Haven't finished watching the episode, but just saw a scene that just seemed weird to me... Karura hits a soldier with her fist, and apparently knocks his head off. But there's no blood, no sign of the head, just her fist where his head was supposed to be. That scene just looked utterly stupid tbh. If they don't want to have scenes that are too graphic, they're better off leaving stuff like this out. :P
Xellos-_^
2006-08-10, 20:18
Haven't finished watching the episode, but just saw a scene that just seemed weird to me... Karura hits a soldier with her fist, and apparently knocks his head off. But there's no blood, no sign of the head, just her fist where his head was supposed to be. That scene just looked utterly stupid tbh. If they don't want to have scenes that are too graphic, they're better off leaving stuff like this out. :P
DVD,
no more steam and more blood.
sasuke13
2006-08-10, 23:06
DVD,
no more steam and more blood.
Was it supposed to have blood?
The reason why I watch japanese version in the 1st place is cuz I don't want to see anything edited out. I call that an edit right there! :frustrated: I might as well watch dubbed anime if possible.
I was kinda disappointed. That was such a cheap death D:
Xellos-_^
2006-08-10, 23:57
Was it supposed to have blood?
The reason why I watch japanese version in the 1st place is cuz I don't want to see anything edited out. I call that an edit right there! :frustrated: I might as well watch dubbed anime if possible.
The tv ver is not edit. Just that the DVD ver will have stuff add in.
There's a bitter gum that left me a sour taste in my mouth while watching this episode.
For me I think the problem was that the pacing built no momentum; lacking life-drama or engaging in more interaction between Karura and Derihourai missing.
It was just matter request by force-literally beat sense on the leader of the rebellion-have ready a battle plan-storm the castle-kill the wussy dictator-and last pack then go.
And I want to know where the heck did Karura gain her superhuman strength?
She's a powerhouse and juggernaut at every battlefield where she goes, and her one-kill hits made me bored to watch in the episode.
Karura's too much certain on herself, that I'm getting old on her. I'll better switch to Touka for a change.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-08-11, 01:52
This episode would have rated higher for me if--it didn't have such a lousy climax. Deri smacked that he-bitch a couple of times and that was the end of it.
I also don't get how killing the ruler somehow means automatic win. For Inkara and Niwe it made sense; the former had enough of his subjects pissed off to overthrow him and the latter was just suicidal and nuked his own city. We don't really see how mililtarily powerful Na Tunk is other than it is at least strong enough to beat back the rebellion. (The fact that Hakuoro's Harem (Karura, Touka, Urutorii, Kamyu, Aruruu + Friends, Eruruu and of course, Hakuoro himself) was enough to turn the tide shows how kick-ass his hero units are).
At least Kamyu and Urutorii are no longer window dressing.
Ah, I finally get to see the evil-bunny people *played the minigame*
Orchunter226
2006-08-11, 01:58
Well I think this is supposed to be like a feudal system. Basically all of the soldiers dont specifically fight for the country, but for the emperor or ruler at the time. So when he dies, basically they have no reason to fight. So the opposing force wins.
This episode was bleh, just more of the the "Lazy emperor with many wives" as Kuuya put it.
Preview is interesting though: Kuuya without her mask thing, and ... a giant white robot (!?)
I didn't skip the OP this time and noticed something really weird - Kuuya and her bodyguard are right at the top of the bad guys section of the OP (!!??)
Well, I'm sure she'd be a lot more interesting than the random insane overlords so far, but seeing how she may turn out to be a religious nut, I'm not too hopeful.
And I want to know where the heck did Karura gain her superhuman strength?
She's a powerhouse and juggernaut at every battlefield where she goes, and her one-kill hits made me bored to watch in the episode.
Karura's too much certain on herself, that I'm getting old on her. I'll better switch to Touka for a change.
Her strength is inheritent to her race, the Giriyagina.
Giriyagina is genetically superior in strength to other races.
It also helps that she's a daughter of the most powerful Giriyagina.
Her brother didn't have proper traning as a Giriyagina, and has a lot to work on.
Likewise, the Evenkuruga (Touka's race) is genetically superior in combat.
Onkamiyaru (the feathered kind) are superior in magic.
The backgrounds on why these races are this way is a core part of the story, and would be a major spoiler bomb, so I'll avoid it.
thundrakkon
2006-08-11, 04:25
I felt this arc was a good arc. It revealed most of the mystery around Karura. However, there is one mystery of hers that was not revealed. The chain "necklace" she wears... Why is it unlockable? Is it locked by magic? Who has the keys to it? Why does she insist on wearing it, even after she has given herself to Hakuoro?
It seems the reason she "ran" away in the end is because she has moved on with her life and does not want to go back to it. She probably has a lot of bad history, so if she became queen again, that history could be pulled out in the open. Besides, she is now under Hakuoro forever, as she promised, so being a queen with a master would not work well either.
I felt this arc was a good arc. It revealed most of the mystery around Karura. However, there is one mystery of hers that was not revealed. The chain "necklace" she wears... Why is it unlockable? Is it locked by magic? Who has the keys to it? Why does she insist on wearing it, even after she has given herself to Hakuoro?
It seems the reason she "ran" away in the end is because she has moved on with her life and does not want to go back to it. She probably has a lot of bad history, so if she became queen again, that history could be pulled out in the open. Besides, she is now under Hakuoro forever, as she promised, so being a queen with a master would not work well either.
At first I thought that it was because she wanted to keep it as a reminder of her subjection/bad past; tho that scene where she talked about forgetting memories, now I'm not too sure. Heh, maybe that chain represents mastership that can be transferred :D She scratches off Suonkasu's name and carves in Hakuoros.
Yep, and I think she was afraid that her presence around Deri would distract him from his new role as emperor. Regardless, she still played a hand in getting Hakuoro to help the fledging nation. I wonder what she paid for that favor. :naughty:
I might be missing something, but where in the Anime does it show Karura squishing Suonkasu's erm.. dingdongs?
Nice arc, revealed Karura; tho it follows the same old generic UtaMono formula.
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-11, 08:36
Her strength is inheritent to her race, the Giriyagina.
Giriyagina is genetically superior in strength to other races.
It also helps that she's a daughter of the most powerful Giriyagina.
Her brother didn't have proper traning as a Giriyagina, and has a lot to work on.
Likewise, the Evenkuruga (Touka's race) is genetically superior in combat.
Onkamiyaru (the feathered kind) are superior in magic.
The backgrounds on why these races are this way is a core part of the story, and would be a major spoiler bomb, so I'll avoid it.
I'd like to know if you don't mind please use the spoiler tags then
Deathkillz
2006-08-11, 08:50
hmm...i loved the fighting bit at the begining...it really showed how imba our heros are :D i mean Kamyu blew them away and karura punching someone's head off...literally...
i also loved the touching moments throughout this ep (in between the battles) it offers a great insight to wht they are thinking...and the part where Derihorai asked hakuoro to hand over karura after the war cracked me up :D
uh that emperor was a retard that thinks force can get karura...he got wht he deserved :p
and lol oboro sticking aroung yzua
and next week...giant robots and bunny ppl O.o
ChainLegacy
2006-08-11, 09:36
This episode was fairly good. I would have liked to see those scenes where Karura speaks romantically of Hakuoro to be animated, though. Oh well, this arc was entertaining, but I'm more interested in the main plot.
sasuke13
2006-08-11, 10:49
The tv ver is not edit. Just that the DVD ver will have stuff add in.
ic, ok at least I know it wasn't edited... -_-*********
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-08-11, 11:00
I was thinking Karura was either a very short teenager or went through puberty very early because she sounds exactly the same even as a kid.
And Oboro is no longer just a physical punching bag, he is also a comedic one.
For a note, Derihourai fits in with Oboro.
Both reckless, brash, easily provoked, hotheads, and wanting to keep on with the good fighting.
Except that Oboro knows when to pull out once understanding that his buddies and men are completely wounded or exhausted restless. Derihourai kept on pressing the troops regardless of the men's state, until Hakuoro and Karura spoke sense on him and everybody else followed with looks of plead.
... Except that Oboro knows when to pull out once understanding that his buddies and men are completely wounded or exhausted restless. ...
Not really. Even those twins required some ointment at some point before.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-11, 13:02
I love Karura! ..... >.>
anyways... I wonder if he knows if there guys or not =\
Renegade334
2006-08-11, 13:04
anyways... I wonder if he knows if there guys or not =\
He's probably too drunk to notice at every opportunity to find out. X_X
I'd like to know if you don't mind please use the spoiler tags then
Alright, but don't complain if I spoil too much...
The multiple races inhabiting this world are actually the results of in-depth genetical experiments. Scientists from a now extinct Mankind tried to create life forms able to live in a biologically (meaning, lethal, bacteria wise and whatnot) hostile and post-apocalyptic world and came up with several 'prototypes' with new genomes. Those races were derived from a frozen human being (which by then became the only man not suffering from mutations and medical problems) and some genetical meddling with other species' (dogs, rabbits, etc) DNA. Since the leopard is a quite strong animal, I suppose that is where the Giriyagina inherited that feature from.
Same thing for the Evenkuruga - their impressive combat skills were gained through genetical modification on the first specimens' DNA. I don't think they were meant to become warriors but since they had the wherewithal to gain superiority in fights, they chose to specialize in that field and made themselves into renowned fighters.
HOWEVER, one other race, the Onkamiyamukai, became proficient in magic because of a quite exceptional ancestor of theirs. Mutsumi (that's her name) was actually the life form closest to the human template (who actually was more than what people first thought, but that's another set of spoilers we're talking about) and gained powers that came in handy when the last remnants of a deteriorating Mankind were finally exterminated and a cataclysm of sorts took place. She eventually transmitted her powers (she is quite adept at sealing, btw) to her descendants, who became the Onkamiyamukai. And that's the reason why they are so skilled in magic.
The Shakukoporu don't have any special or noticeable skills BUT were favored by the now deceased scientists (well, sort of - you need to play the game to find out what ultimately happened to them), earning themselves the scorn and resentment from the other species. When the researchers finally disappeared, they were shunned by the other races and considered as outcasts. They nevertheless gained support from a third party, but it appears he has a hidden agenda behind his actions.
Her strength is inheritent to her race, the Giriyagina.
Giriyagina is genetically superior in strength to other races.
It also helps that she's a daughter of the most powerful Giriyagina.
Her brother didn't have proper traning as a Giriyagina, and has a lot to work on.
Likewise, the Evenkuruga (Touka's race) is genetically superior in combat.
Onkamiyaru (the feathered kind) are superior in magic.
Just a thought i had...
Everyone remember in eps.17 when Kuuya was asking Hakuoro how much concubines he has in his bedroom, because as an emperor he need heirs?
What if he decides to have kids with any of (or all) the girls of his powerful harem? What kind of kids they will be, considerating their powers and his brains - or even his latent demoniac powers? :heh:
Just imagine what would be his son/daughter with Karura, for example... how much powerful he/she could be. :eek:
LostBlue
2006-08-11, 15:14
What if he decides to have kids with any of (or all) the girls of his powerful harem?
In the game he does. With who, hmmm, not sure if it'll be in the anime. It was a nice surprise. ;)
ChainLegacy
2006-08-11, 16:18
Well, if Touka and Karura come from genetically superior races, what about the races of Benawi, Oboro, etc?
[QUOTE=Cardiac Glycoside]I was thinking Karura was either a very short teenager or went through puberty very early because she sounds exactly the same even as a kid.
Hehe, probably if it was her memory we were watching, she just used her voice as it is since its what she hears now.
Speaking of her voice, It really fits her face I wonder how they did that?
Kyero Fox
2006-08-11, 17:16
Is there anything about Foxs in it?
I've drew my own character for the Anime like all the others I do. and he is ususaly some kind of Fox Species or Demon.
sedukshun
2006-08-11, 17:57
this was a really good episode ~ her brother is similar to oboro *sexi sexi* ~ and that emporer...he was pretty easy to kill eh...them flowers were nice tho...apart from they use dead ppl as fertiliser xP ~ weird how karura wudnt admit she is his sister >=(
Kyero Fox
2006-08-11, 18:27
She likes to mess with people XD
Just a thought i had...
Everyone remember in eps.17 when Kuuya was asking Hakuoro how much concubines he has in his bedroom, because as an emperor he need heirs?
What if he decides to have kids with any of (or all) the girls of his powerful harem? What kind of kids they will be, considerating their powers and his brains - or even his latent demoniac powers? :heh:
Just imagine what would be his son/daughter with Karura, for example... how much powerful he/she could be. :eek:
This world's race are all genetically dependent on the mother.
Meaning, if a Giriyagina male had a child with a Evenkuruga woman,
the child will be Evenkuruga.
The attributes of the races do not mix, no matter what the father's race is.
Sorrow-K
2006-08-11, 20:29
Interesting ep, but falls into the same pitfalls as the rest of the series. While the plot is pretty good, the problem with this show is that far too many of the characters are completely flat. And some of the dialogue in this ep was rather tacky as well.
This ep probably ranks somewhere in the middle, but I still can't figure out for the life of me if I'm watching a winner or not.
DVD,
no more steam and more blood.
They haven't been that squeamish about adding blood and gore in some other scenes, so why leave it out here? Just made it look a bit odd.
Another thing (unrelated to the previous, and more of a general complaint of mine) that has been bugging me for some time, is Hakuoro's voice. Monotone and usually devoid of emotion. It might be that way on purpose (for some reason beyond my understanding) but to me it feels like he doesn't have the charisma that is supposedly attributed to him.
But I still can't figure out for the life of me if I'm watching a winner or not.
Pretty much the feeling I've been having for quite some time now when it comes to this series. All of the characters seem quite interesting at first, and have potential just like the plot, but the character development has been lacking and the plot is just unconvincing. I really hoped this series would turn out well, but so far hasn't been able to convince me. At this point I don't feel it has any rewatch value, except for some notable scenes like the ep1 tailgrab. :P
thundrakkon
2006-08-11, 23:10
They haven't been that squeamish about adding blood and gore in some other scenes, so why leave it out here? Just made it look a bit odd.
I think overall, they have been trying to avoid overly excessive gore when they can. The only 2 times that they showed a lot of gore was when they had the guest animator and a quick flash of Yue's death. If they were going to show blood squirting like a fountain from where the grunt's head was supposed to be, it might be a bit to excessive for what they are aiming for.
Another thing (unrelated to the previous, and more of a general complaint of mine) that has been bugging me for some time, is Hakuoro's voice. Monotone and usually devoid of emotion. It might be that way on purpose (for some reason beyond my understanding) but to me it feels like he doesn't have the charisma that is supposedly attributed to him.
I am sure that his voice is that way on purpose. Hakuoro is portrayed as a calm, patient, and strategizing (thinking) character. You seldom see him get excited or display much emotion. He looks collected and seldom is wrong on his decisions. Those attributes alone will have many people following you.
All of the characters seem quite interesting at first, and have potential just like the plot, but the character development has been lacking and the plot is just unconvincing.
I agree with you, to some degree. This past arc is the character development of Karura that most other characters are not receiving. I am guessing the anime will only have enough room left for character development of Kamyu and Utorii, since it appears they will have to deal with the 2 different gods. The plot mostly is about war and battles right now, establishing bits and pieces to the main character, Hakuoro. I am sure that they will dive into the main plot of the story soon for the final run. Just my 2 cents.
sasuke13
2006-08-12, 01:19
yeah, they only have 6 epis left... maybe they're going to have one more filler topic before going into the finale.
Renegade334
2006-08-12, 03:25
This world's race are all genetically dependent on the mother.
Meaning, if a Giriyagina male had a child with a Evenkuruga woman,
the child will be Evenkuruga.
The attributes of the races do not mix, no matter what the father's race is.
Please also note that nature has its own eugenics laws - it's recently been proven that...'exceptional' beings (either by looks or just overall) having an offspring together have more chance to give birth to a girl than a boy, by nearly 70% or so - so that the chance of handing those genes to later generations (grandchildren and beyond) can be maximized. So...since most girls are quite above the norm - just like Hakuoro - it's probable (but not a sure fire) that he'd have a girl. But then again I might be wrong and this is irrelevant to the plot unless the animators decide to show a certain scene that occurred in the anime and led to a quite tragic outcome...considering the circumstances I believe they won't show it for the sake of the R15 rating and morality.
Those who know what I'm talking about would possibly understand why - especially since the basis for that particular event was shown in EP16...but for other purposes, I believe.
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Please also note that nature has its own eugenics laws - it's recently been proven that...'exceptional' beings (either by looks or just overall) having an offspring together have more chance to give birth to a girl than a boy, by nearly 70% or so - so that the chance of handing those genes to later generations (grandchildren and beyond) can be maximized. So...since most girls are quite above the norm - just like Hakuoro - it's probable (but not a sure fire) that he'd have a girl. But then again I might be wrong and this is irrelevant to the plot unless the animators decide to show a certain scene that occurred in the anime and led to a quite tragic outcome...considering the circumstances I believe they won't show it for the sake of the R15 rating and morality.
Those who know what I'm talking about would possibly understand why - especially since the basis for that particular event was shown in EP16...but for other purposes, I believe.
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Uh, I hate to break your bubbles but how the genetics works in the Utaware world is revealed by the creators.
"real life genetics" doesn't necessary apply :P
no common sense
2006-08-12, 14:55
Please also note that nature has its own eugenics laws - it's recently been proven that...'exceptional' beings (either by looks or just overall) having an offspring together have more chance to give birth to a girl than a boy, by nearly 70% or so - so that the chance of handing those genes to later generations (grandchildren and beyond) can be maximized. So...since most girls are quite above the norm - just like Hakuoro - it's probable (but not a sure fire) that he'd have a girl. But then again I might be wrong and this is irrelevant to the plot unless the animators decide to show a certain scene that occurred in the anime and led to a quite tragic outcome...considering the circumstances I believe they won't show it for the sake of the R15 rating and morality.
Those who know what I'm talking about would possibly understand why - especially since the basis for that particular event was shown in EP16...but for other purposes, I believe.
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Can you site a source since that contradicts my present understanding of human biology with females not having any influence on the sex of the offspring and male meiosis producing equal parts XX and XY sperm with the XY sperm having a slight advantage due to its smaller size. Also genetically superior is ambiguous, by nature's standard it's simply whoever can produce the most offspring. /offtopic
john_sama
2006-08-12, 16:53
Ep 19 was really nice and come to think of it, it was my first time seeing kamyu blushing. Oboro almost went with the four girls in a bath:heh: that could have been nice:frustrated:
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-12, 16:55
Can you site a source since that contradicts my present understanding of human biology with females not having any influence on the sex of the offspring and male meiosis producing equal parts XX and XY sperm with the XY sperm having a slight advantage due to its smaller size. Also genetically superior is ambiguous, by nature's standard it's simply whoever can produce the most offspring. /offtopic
I dunno why anyone is arguing about this, for your information what you have just mention is precisely that, it's human biology.
Unless you know any humans that has rabbit/tiger/dog ears and a tail fairly recently...
I don't think we can assume anything in Utawarerumono.
:rolleyes:
for all we know, the way genetics work in Utawarerumono, could depend on which sex the mother wants the child to be, or how genetically influenctial the father's sperm is, compared to the mothers.
Or it could depend on the weather....who knows?
No one knows..... :D
Kyero Fox
2006-08-12, 18:03
Exactly :D
zgmf-x19a
2006-08-12, 20:45
He's probably too drunk to notice at every opportunity to find out. X_X
Alright, but don't complain if I spoil too much...
The multiple races inhabiting this world are actually the results of in-depth genetical experiments. Scientists from a now extinct Mankind tried to create life forms able to live in a biologically (meaning, lethal, bacteria wise and whatnot) hostile and post-apocalyptic world and came up with several 'prototypes' with new genomes. Those races were derived from a frozen human being (which by then became the only man not suffering from mutations and medical problems) and some genetical meddling with other species' (dogs, rabbits, etc) DNA. Since the leopard is a quite strong animal, I suppose that is where the Giriyagina inherited that feature from.
Same thing for the Evenkuruga - their impressive combat skills were gained through genetical modification on the first specimens' DNA. I don't think they were meant to become warriors but since they had the wherewithal to gain superiority in fights, they chose to specialize in that field and made themselves into renowned fighters.
HOWEVER, one other race, the Onkamiyamukai, became proficient in magic because of a quite exceptional ancestor of theirs. Mutsumi (that's her name) was actually the life form closest to the human template (who actually was more than what people first thought, but that's another set of spoilers we're talking about) and gained powers that came in handy when the last remnants of a deteriorating Mankind were finally exterminated and a cataclysm of sorts took place. She eventually transmitted her powers (she is quite adept at sealing, btw) to her descendants, who became the Onkamiyamukai. And that's the reason why they are so skilled in magic.
The Shakukoporu don't have any special or noticeable skills BUT were favored by the now deceased scientists (well, sort of - you need to play the game to find out what ultimately happened to them), earning themselves the scorn and resentment from the other species. When the researchers finally disappeared, they were shunned by the other races and considered as outcasts. They nevertheless gained support from a third party, but it appears he has a hidden agenda behind his actions.
thanks for enlightening me :)
Could I also know about that whole other set of spoilers within the spoilers please? lol thanks in advance :)
Renegade334
2006-08-13, 05:42
O_X
Whoa. Wait a minute.
Timeline Mark 01 - the past, approximately now.
When Mankind was still there, a certain archeologist dug at some unknown location and unearthed unidentified, fossilized bones (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8676/uta11alu0.jpg) belonging to a monstrous creature. He wasn't aware of it yet, but those remains belonged to a deity that had been put to sleep more than a few millennia ago if not way longer: Uitsuarunemitea - one of the firstborn of this world. For some reason, an unknown person attacked and mortally wounded the archeologist, leaving him dying in front of the holy carcass, blood seeping out of his stomach and towards the bones.
As the fluid entered in contact with the skeleton, the slumbering god awakened and made a covenant with the dying archeologist. In essence, the god wanted to trade the man's survival for his body, which he (Uitsuarunemitea) would use as a vessel for his own soul. The archeologist, too much in pain, could only utter, 'just let me sleep'. Content with the answer, Uitsuarunemitea granted the wish - the man became an avatar (a reincarnation of a god) and was put to sleep, just as he (figuratively) requested. He was eventually encased in ice - earning himself later the appropriately coined nickname of 'Iceman'.
Yep, dying archeologist, Iceman and Hakuoro are the same person.
It was, I believe, at that time that he received a mask made out of the god's bones (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5056/ubonesah6.jpg) and became Uitsuarunemitea's vessel. The god's slumber resumed, and both him and the archeologist fell into oblivion, as the murderer had been killed in a scuffle with the archeologist shortly before the covenant.
And so begins the story behind Utawareru Mono.
Timeline Mark 02 - the far future, date unknown.
Fast forward to a desolate world - due to some worldwide cataclysm or a global war, the world has become a more or less barren land utterly hostile to the last remnants of Mankind, whose bodies were so deteriorated they were forced to confine themselves inside hermetically-sealed and biohazard-controlled laboratories to prevent their bodies from falling ill to the bacteria outside...which once were completely benign (to normal humans) but now are even a dangerous threat to their failing inner defense mechanisms. As they mutated and their state worsened, they started feeling the desperate need to not only find a cure to their illness but also a way to repopulate the now deserted planet. Only a few thousands of them (I believe) were left and they needed something to return back to normal. The problem? They had no template for their research as their bodies were too damaged to sacrifice for experiments. Somehow they lost all data on what the human body once was, in all its forlorn glory.
It was then that they made a golden discovery: by digging deeper to expand their labs, they found an unknown entity trapped in a shroud of ice and apparently plunged in a deep sleep. Seeing the godsend that was the Iceman's discovery for what it was, they immediately took him inside their labs since the frozen archeologist's was a perfect specimen of the human body as it once was in its unblemished form. Moreover, the mask on his face seemed like a Holy Grail as attempts to replicate the item yielded extraordinary results like better health and mind (once you wear the said mask) - but it was still not enough. From there on (and Iceman was reawakened in the meantime) the scientists started creating prototypes of the new, improved Mankind, using shards of animal DNA to reinforce their bodies towards the now hostile environment a dying Mankind couldn't live in anymore. Called Multis, those artificial life forms were varied and had different features (dog ears, wings, etc) inherited from the animal genome parts they were given in their DNA.
Two creatures from the experiments came to the fore: Mikoto (http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8861/mikotogw4.png), first of the animal-human (dog ears) species and Mutsumi (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/936/mutsuminf3.jpg), the life form closest to Iceman's nature (she had wings and some impressive powers, although she cannot compare to Iceman or Uitsuarunemitea herself; she also considers herself as Iceman's daughter). A flock of other species were created but one day the scientists decided to refreeze Iceman and the other Multis for 'thorough studies'. One researcher, Mizushima, taking pity on the specimens, told Iceman to run away and the avatar chose to take Mikoto with him, leaving a disconsolate Mutsumi behind. They fled the lab and eventually had a child together. (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5287/uta36bny8.jpg)
This is when the scientists interrupted their new life with their Av Kamu power suits (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3766/uta14xr0.jpg) (the one you see in ep20's preview) and took the two back. Back in the lab, Iceman inquired about Mikoto and was horrified to hear that 'the precious sample of a pregnant Multi had been dismantled and stored for further research'. Understandably, Iceman snapped and let the soul within him - that of Uitsuarunemitea - break free and go on a full-out rampage. The staff predictably panicked and ultimately begged for the god's mercy. In ironic response, the deity made a SECOND covenant with his former captors...a quite twisted one, to tell the truth
They wanted immortality? Very well, they shall get it, but there will be a price for it - they will have to spend the rest of their incredibly long lifetime as piles of slimy, red goo and not as human beings - a cursed form of immortality.
However, Uitsuarunemitea's rage didn't stop there and at that moment, Iceman, who was now inside the god, emitted conflicting thoughts within the gigantic body. While Uitsuarunemitea longed for destruction and revenge, Iceman pleaded for someone to stop him, and if that was not possible, then have someone kill him. This was when the first signs of split personalities first arose inside the god.
However, Mutsumi heard his call and returned, 'if that's what Father wants, then so be it.' She tried to kill Uitsunaremitea with the lab's Amaterasu weapon (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/763/amaterasuxz7.jpg) (a satellite cannon, if I'm not mistaken - it's not really specified but she manages to hijack it). The attempt however failed and Mutsumi had no other choice but to seal Uitsuarunemitea (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5623/mutsumisealtl7.jpg) (BTW, ep21 is reportedly titled 'Large Seal' :D). This time she succeeded in her endeavor and the god was put back to sleep, although the chasm in its soul was already there. There were now two different, opposite personalities dwelling inside the god's body - an evil and a good one. Mutsumi later escaped with the other Multis and 'created' her own race. She eventually made a covenant of her own with her descendants in exchange for her magical powers.
Know who her descendants are? Yep, got that right - they are the Onkamiyamukai. In exchange for her powers (she excels at sealing - this tip is very important for the show's end, by the by), she asked for one of the Onkamiyamukai to become her own vessel so that her soul could survive and pass from one generation to the other, living on till the ends of time (theoretically). Do you know who her current vessel is?
...It's Kamyuu. :D
And what happened to the other countries? Well, should the Japanese lab fall silent, the other compounds around the planet were to team together and activate Amaterasu so as to destroy the Japanese complex. However, when Uitsuarunemitea was busy destroying things left and right, one dying researcher selfishly wished for everyone to die...the enraged god heard the wish and, predictably, the other stations around the planet ceased to exist, now devoid of life. BTW, the scientists changed into red goo should still be there. At least, they were still alive in the game.
The gears of time are now turning full force marking a new turn in history. And a new world arises. We're now fully into the story's forgotten core.
Timeline Mark 03 - Mankind's new era. Date unknown.
Earth has changed. Its land are now repopulated although the relics of the now inexistent Mankind have disappeared. New creatures, half-animal, half-human, have started spreading wide and building countries, creating Ainu-like technology and lifestyle. The separate species congregated into communities then nations: Evenkurugas, Onkamiyamukais, Giriyaginas, Shakukoporus, etc, etc. All stood for themselves and more or less found a way to cohabitate save one - the Shakukoporus.
Those rabbit-eared people were once favored by the scientist (and not slated for dismantling and refreezing, unlike the others) and the other species grew jealous because of the 'unjust' attention. When the said researchers disappeared (the Shakukoporus called them the 'Great Fathers', as if they were gods), the other races let their resentment break free and shunned the Shakukoporus - hence why Kuuya said that nobody wanted to help them (as I explained in an earlier post). Since Uitsuarunemitea was the one who killed the researchers who were benevolent to them, the Shakukoporus blamed the great god for their newfound ordeals and renamed him Nuguisomu-kami, an evil god that chased them from paradise.
However, thanks to Mutsumi, who retold the true tale from her standpoint to her descendants, the tradition that Uitsuarunemitea is the true, great god of this world (after all, she considered herself his daughter so she owed him that at least), lived on throughout the Onkamiyamukai, contradicting the 'biased' tales from the Shakukoporus' side.
They just lived the same story but from different sides and with opposing feelings - therefore weaving contradicting legends.
Iceman's child (gender unspecified) survived and led a presumably peaceful life and had descendants of his/her own. Care to know who're the two latest ones in date?
...
Aruruu and Eruruu! Yep, not joking - and this is why Hakuoro believes they are family. It's because they truly are relatives and he instinctly feels the bond between them. As a matter of fact, Iceman is related to everyone in this world (not necessarily 'bloodline'-wise) and this is the reason he can befriend other people. There is some sort of hidden link between everyone and all unconsciously feel it.
BTW.
Iceman was still sealed, although the earlier inner battle had caused the god to split asunder into its two personalities. As one corresponded to the archeologist's own soul, the Iceman/archeologist claimed that side and became the good/light side, while the other splinter retained all the negative, belligerent feelings that Uitsuarunemitea once harbored. If you want, you can consider that 'evil side' as the Nuguisomu-kami. However, since the 'holy' mask was already on the archeologist/Iceman's face and sealed the 'good' soul inside that body, the other part needed an avatar of its own. And it seemed that throughout History's newest chapter, Dark!Uitsuarunemitea went through multiple vessels.
The latest one was named Dii - an Onkamiyamukai scholar (http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1671/diipf8.jpg) who once worked as Urutorii's teacher. He had wandered into the cave where Uitsuarunemitea's soul dwelt and became possessed by the deity's dark side. While Iceman longed for a higher existence by cooperation and friendship, Dii/Dark!Uitsu and its earlier vessels desired its beloved children to attain greater levels through war. As such, to implement his plan in this world, the avatar travelled far and wide and stirred up wars hither and yon. Dii also befriended the Shakukoporus and gave them the abandoned, derelict but still efficient Av Kamu power suits (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8946/avkamufleetgv7.jpg) from the destroyed lab.
At some point or another, Iceman was freed from Mutsumi's weakening seal and confronted Dii using his celestial body (the BIG, big, demonic one) (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8640/demons2ma8vw3.png). Unfortunately for Iceman, who instinctively fought against his evil counterpart (both sides seek to destroy each other), he was gravely wounded and the battle between the two half-deities caused a large earthquake in Tousukuru (or Kenashirukouru before it was renamed).
In a village known as Yamayura, a faraway descendant of Mikoto, Aruruu was busy climbing a tree to catch a beehive and its honey when the earthquake caught her unawares, causing her to falls to the ground and be mortally wounded. A hysterical Eruruu then hugged her younger sister to herself and pleaded Uitsuarunemitea (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8195/uta07os7.jpg) to save her sibling in exchange for herself. The beaten half-god (Iceman) somehow heard her and made another covenant with Eruruu: he'd heal Aruruu, but Eruruu would belong to him like a servant of sorts. As the contract was sealed, Good!Uitsu reverted to its human form, Iceman, forcing Eruruu to immediately fulfill her oath and take care of the wounded God...now in its mortal body.
Note that the contract binds her to do his bidding but she still has some will left in her. She's not really a slave and the archeologist/Iceman's benevolent personality prevents the contract from getting out of hand. She knows who he is but doesn't tell it.
But there's a cinch.
A big one.
Timeline Mark 04 - Utawareru Mono game/anime arc. Ep01.
Due to his wounds, Iceman doesn't remember anything - he completely lost his memories and doesn't remember how to use his godly powers (well, he even forgets about them and his true nature, just like that). To himself, he's just a simple human being with no past and a goddamned mask plastered on his face for no visible reason. And now the anime/game begins and Iceman gains a new name, Hakuoro (the 'White Emperor' in Ainu). It's only when he's about to lose something he really holds dear (and it will start somewhere around mid-game since he will start to care about other people after getting to know them) that his powers resurface but it will take a time till he'll get used to them and remember his past.
Hope this helped.
Hmmm...BTW, I wonder if the reason why Karura was forced to become a nakuan (gladiator) was because she refused to be wedded to Suonkasu and crushed his family jewels...and was punished for it...if he's so obsessed with her, then I wonder why he allowed her to go so far from him...and eventually escape.
Bah.
Most probably, he couldn't yell calling his guards because he was not anymore the man he used to be. No one could yell very well after that. :heh:
Remember in epis.19 Karura knew how to go in the palace using a secret passage, probably the same she used to escape in the day she hurted him.
After that, she must have spent years and years running away from him and fighting just every soldier he sent after her. Then she changed her name to Karura and her appearance, looking more a warrior than a princess.
Kyero Fox
2006-08-13, 07:45
where the hell are you guys getting this stuff lol.
john_sama
2006-08-13, 11:59
He's probably too drunk to notice at every opportunity to find out. X_X
Alright, but don't complain if I spoil too much...
The multiple races inhabiting this world are actually the results of in-depth genetical experiments. Scientists from a now extinct Mankind tried to create life forms able to live in a biologically (meaning, lethal, bacteria wise and whatnot) hostile and post-apocalyptic world and came up with several 'prototypes' with new genomes. Those races were derived from a frozen human being (which by then became the only man not suffering from mutations and medical problems) and some genetical meddling with other species' (dogs, rabbits, etc) DNA. Since the leopard is a quite strong animal, I suppose that is where the Giriyagina inherited that feature from.
Same thing for the Evenkuruga - their impressive combat skills were gained through genetical modification on the first specimens' DNA. I don't think they were meant to become warriors but since they had the wherewithal to gain superiority in fights, they chose to specialize in that field and made themselves into renowned fighters.
HOWEVER, one other race, the Onkamiyamukai, became proficient in magic because of a quite exceptional ancestor of theirs. Mutsumi (that's her name) was actually the life form closest to the human template (who actually was more than what people first thought, but that's another set of spoilers we're talking about) and gained powers that came in handy when the last remnants of a deteriorating Mankind were finally exterminated and a cataclysm of sorts took place. She eventually transmitted her powers (she is quite adept at sealing, btw) to her descendants, who became the Onkamiyamukai. And that's the reason why they are so skilled in magic.
The Shakukoporu don't have any special or noticeable skills BUT were favored by the now deceased scientists (well, sort of - you need to play the game to find out what ultimately happened to them), earning themselves the scorn and resentment from the other species. When the researchers finally disappeared, they were shunned by the other races and considered as outcasts. They nevertheless gained support from a third party, but it appears he has a hidden agenda behind his actions.
Wow no wonder Karura's so strong and this also explains the mysteries of this anime. Thanks man and BTW I think they got this from the Utawarerumono game.:p
For a note, Derihourai fits in with Oboro.
Both reckless, brash, easily provoked, hotheads, and wanting to keep on with the good fighting.
Except that Oboro knows when to pull out once understanding that his buddies and men are completely wounded or exhausted restless. Derihourai kept on pressing the troops regardless of the men's state, until Hakuoro and Karura spoke sense on him and everybody else followed with looks of plead.
And you forgot the best part: they both have a sister complex <_< >_>
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-13, 13:14
well thanks for the story! no need to watch the anime now. next series!
:D
Kyero Fox
2006-08-13, 14:20
well thanks for the story! no need to watch the anime now. next series!
:D
Ohhhhh the sarcasm is too much XD
Swonkas was a lil' pointless.. but still, he sure is a cool character. ^^
Not a bad episode really, got some good fight-animation.. and plenty of Karura lovelove. But the Oboro scene really made the episode - the guy really just can't help but get owned by each & every character.. poor guy.
Next episode looks like we're gonna get to the last arc.. what with some kind of mech, lots of blood - and the return of my Kuuya. <3
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-13, 18:56
Ohhhhh the sarcasm is too much XD
Why thank you. nothing like being praised for exhibiting a national trait. :D
All in all, im really disappointed i won't be seeing some of the more important scenes due to that spoiler.
I mean after reading that, and then watch the anime knowing they missed out the best bit.. .i mean....
*sigh*
:rolleyes:
Kyero Fox
2006-08-13, 21:36
Reading spoilers sometimes makes me wonna see it even More XD Like when i saw the pic of Karura undressing XD
Onizuka-GTO
2006-08-13, 22:58
Reading spoilers sometimes makes me wonna see it even More XD Like when i saw the pic of Karura undressing XD
.....actually that just makes me want to play the game instead. At leased your gurantee a progression in the relation between the characters.
I learnt never to trust undressing preview pictures, all you end up is watching some softcore movie at 3am in the morning feeling cheated.
many young teenage lads were left sexually frustrated and mentally unstable, due to those inconsiderate advertisment..... :rolleyes:
Kyero Fox
2006-08-13, 23:35
Uh ... ok... I would play the game If I could understand it and if it wouldnt keep shutting down 5mins into the game.
Most probably, he couldn't yell calling his guards because he was not anymore the man he used to be. No one could yell very well after that. :heh:
Nah he could always scream. :p
many young teenage lads were left sexually frustrated and mentally unstable, due to those inconsiderate advertisment.....
LOL.
Renegade334
2006-08-14, 09:45
Nah he could always scream. :p
LOL.
Nah. Squeal only. Then he could always sing the Italian opera because knowing that Karura could crush thick chains with a single hand I don't expect to have something left after the deed, y'know?
Maybe his loss completely disturbed his endocrinal chemistry because gayer than that simply cannot exist...next thing you know he'll be popping breasts... :heh:
Not unless he gets regular estrogen injections.. :heh: Hmm what happened in the game? Leading up to his, erm, loss. He tried to do young Karura?
[Renegade, yep, and I doubt I will play it anyway. I like need a dual SLI-setup just to do the game justice.]
Renegade334
2006-08-14, 09:59
Not unless he gets regular estrogen injections.. :heh: Hmm what happened in the game? Leading up to his, erm, loss. He tried to do young Karura?
That's what I heard, yep. Tried to force himself on her and got a quite demonstrative 'NO' from his beloved...
There are many ways to crush one's heart but with Karura only one way to crush a man's...alright, let's stop here. Bad image. Bad image!
Sinestra
2006-08-19, 19:35
ok ep so we wrap up this rebellion thing and Kaura remains at her lords side keeping her promise. Oboro and his sister complex man its just really funny watching him almost go in the bath with them. Looks like another battle is starting in ep 20
coroloro
2006-09-15, 19:30
Episode 19 is certainly one heck of a place to leave off.
**SPOILERS**
I think getting to the point in the plot where we find out a hint of his origin and what is living inside him is a better place to stop if one has to. Anyone frustrated at having to wait? Any ideas at if the main character was actually a scientist on Earth before, and if so what world he has been transported to?
Anyone who wants to give me there ideas can probably reach me better on my xanga site.
http://www.xanga.com/Coroloro
-Coroloro
I'm just wondering what are kenams or what does it mean. When Benawi was talking about the rebellion he said it was kenams rebellion in na tunk and if i remember well there is a part where Karura said she was a kenam too. So if anyone know pls tell me.:)
As far as I know, the Kenam could just mean a low or undesireable caste in the Na Tunk country. The word is hardly mentioned to remember really well. I don't think they even used the word Ameteratsu in the series (but it's nothing you need to concern yourself with).
It must be true that the word its not really important, i just wanted to know, thx anyway.
I'm just wondering what are kenams or what does it mean. When Benawi was talking about the rebellion he said it was kenams rebellion in na tunk and if i remember well there is a part where Karura said she was a kenam too. So if anyone know pls tell me.:)
Kenamu means slave.
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