Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS "Fan Anticipation Thread" [Archive] - Page 10

Doraneko

2007-02-25, 07:06

What I'm about to say is cliché, but just to demonstrate its truth - Haruhi's (the series) influence reaches far and wide.

I can't remember if they ever explained this, but if so, then how did Arisa and Suzuka enter into the barrier-world? And what does it mean - a hint of latent powers?

I am not sure, but 結界 (kekkai, barrier) is a basic concept in shounen anime and most writers and the audience take it at its face value, with no one caring to explain/learn more about that (I will gladly choose the Nanoha kick-ass scenes over the Itsuki-mind-fuck-explanation-scenes). In a sense thinking too deep about it is like asking why the attacks (or background of the attacks) of the central heroine in magical girl shows are more than often pink in colour :heh: . If you need a fictional world constructed in a comprehensive and highly believable manner, go to the library and pick one of Tolkien's books.

Anyway Tanigawa's (writer of Haruhi novel) idea of the "closed space" is good enough to be considered as a kekkai and he is one of the few that care to explain the concept. I just adjusted his theory a bit and fit it into Nanoha's world. Well, a working theory is one that can explain phenomenons, but not necessarily derived from accurate assumptions and authorative sources. :P

For Alisa and Suzuka, there are a few messages on their ability/power in the last few pages and you may refer to them to see the opinions from different Nanoha fans.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-25, 09:36

What I'm about to say is cliché, but just to demonstrate its truth - Haruhi's (the series) influence reaches far and wide.

Wouldn't it be awesome if they'll have a warship battle in space somewhere in the series :D ?

I can imagine both Chrono and Acoss, in their ships, trying to hold back a battle-crazy commander Hayate from charging in... :D

Hayate: All ships full speed ahead! I'll find the enemy's commander and beat him to a pulp!

Chrono: I told you not to move up!

Acoss: Please leave this to us.

Hayate: Forget that. Get out of the way! I'll have a gunnery duel with the other big guy!

Chrono: We don't even know where the enemy is!

Hayate: I'll find him!

Chrono: Idiot! Stop it!

Acoss: Why don't we all calm down first. Also, the enemy is ambusing us...

...LOL!

Nightengale

2007-02-25, 09:45

Wouldn't it be awesome if they'll have a warship battle in space somewhere in the series :D ?

I can imagine both Chrono and Acoss, in their ships, trying to hold back a battle-crazy commander Hayate from charging in... :D

I've been wanting warship fleet battles in Nanoha for like...forever now. Villians can't call themselves TSAB-worthy if they don't at least have several Executor-class warships with a dimensional ripper cannon named...Der Ring des Nibelungen or someting. Maybe even a Death Star.

Speaking of Acoss and Hayate...what's with them? I was rereading Chapter 3 just now, and Chrono specifically mentioned if Acoss wants to see Hayate and Hayate calling Acoss...Rossa, not Verossa, but Rossa. Unless there was some TL errors, that kinda insinuates that they're quite close...even Yuuno haven't graduated from Yuuno-kun with Nanoha.

Hey! Maybe he'll have a harem after all. Since getting Hayate pretty much means Wolkies as well, though Hayate would probably kill Acoss if he tries something funny though....:P

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-25, 10:04

Speaking of Acoss and Hayate...what's with them? I was rereading Chapter 3 just now, and Chrono specifically mentioned if Acoss wants to see Hayate and Hayate calling Acoss...Rossa, not Verossa, but Rossa. Unless there was some TL errors, that kinda insinuates that they're quite close...even Yuuno haven't graduated from Yuuno-kun with Nanoha.

Hey! Maybe he'll have a harem after all. Since getting Hayate pretty much means Wolkies as well, though Hayate would probably kill Acoss if he tries something funny though....:P

I notice that too, maybe it's a decoy to cover his 'itsuki' side ... =P

But if not, it could be very possible but it's not Hayate he has to worry about... It's her 4 VERY zealous knights that would kill him... :heh:

Acoss must be quite the guy if he manages to survive :) ! (If he doesn't...you know... swing the other way...:uhoh: )

sezen_atacan

2007-02-25, 12:39

Is the Triangle Hearts series (anime and game) 1, 2 and 3 all squeals of each other or are they all set in different worlds?? If you have watched Triangle Heart anime (the h-version) and Triangle Heart sweet songs forever (non-H-version) then you know what I mean. Because it seems that each series is based on different characters and different problems.

Is Fate Testarossa based on any of the characters from Triangle Heart? At least in the StrikerS series she look like the blonde girl with guns in Triangle Heart Sweet Songs Forever.

Also Does anyone know what is happening in the original Triangle Heart anime? The monster that is fought seems identical to the first monster that Nanoha fought. I don't understand Japanese so it is kinda confusing. How come this one is not fansubbed??

Woden

2007-02-25, 13:05

Triangle Hearts seems to take place in the same world, or at least one and three do. Fate is not based on any of the characters in Triangle Heart to my knowledge.

KBTKaiser

2007-02-25, 14:01

all three Toraha games are in the same world. The girls dorm in 2 is just a little bit away from the shrine Nami works at in 3. Kuon the kitsune(Nanoha's Arf-ish sidekick in Lyrical Box, complete with chibi and adult forms) frequents between the girls dorm and the shrine.

the H-anime is based on Toraha 2
Sweet songs Forever is based on Toraha 3.

Fate is a complete original debuting in Nanoha anime.

Alavaria

2007-02-25, 14:01

I've been wanting warship fleet battles in Nanoha for like...forever now. Villians can't call themselves TSAB-worthy if they don't at least have several Executor-class warships with a dimensional ripper cannon named...Der Ring des Nibelungen or someting. Maybe even a Death Star.
Not sure if anyone would want to do that though, since we go:
STARLIGHT BREAKER
PLASMA ZAMBER BREAKER
RAGNAROK BREAKER

and there is nothing left :(

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-25, 20:10

I'm pretty sure any one of the girls could take down a spaceship. We can assume the Arc en Ciel is useless against free-moving fast targets too.

Skane

2007-02-25, 20:42

Woden

2007-02-25, 21:12

I wouldn't count out the warships so easily yet. Unless you come from the doctrine of GSD-sensibilities, the warships should wield not only considerable firepower, but defensive shields as well( and it does. Take the incident of Precia's attack for example).

It's a Mahou-Warship for crying out loud.

If it has that kind of power for the Arc-en-Ciel, it definitely has the power for shields that can block the trio's ultimates.

Food for thought. Reincarnation issues aside, the Arc-en-Ciel is capable of one-shotting an unsplit Reinforce I. Something which even the combined powers of the trio could NOT do.

Cheers.

When did we have the trio fighting an unsplit Reinforce 1? Hayate didn't get her power until after Reinforce 1 was split from the defense program... In addition, Nanoha was holding her own for quite some time while Fate was stuck in the book.

The Arc-en-Ciel is only capable of one-shotting R1 if it can hit it. The only case we know of where the Arc-en-Ciel "one-shot" the Book of Darkness was when Chrono's father sacrificed his life to stop it. We don't even know what happened prior to attack.

Also, the Asura managed to stop the ONE attack that Precia used on it. Even that blow was VERY damaging to the Asura, and I'm not even sure that it was the target.

Edit: At this time, I feel it would be best to mention how often I'm wrong on things.

Nightengale

2007-02-25, 21:18

Rarf at GSD-sensibilities. Mind you that SEED and GSD for all it's worth has some of the better showcasing and use of warships and warship battles in all of Gundam. It's the grunt MS that suffers from the sensibilities.

And grunt enemies, as we saw in Nanoha are no more impressive than GSD's.

Anyway, cookie for that post. Nothing against the girls, but it does sap my soul a little everytime I see post that glorifies the trio's power to godly extents. Not at those that say she can destroy warships (( I believe they have the firepower too, if they can penetrate the shields )), but you all get the drift.

Besides, wanting warship battles has very little to do with the 3 girls. Chances are they'll be facing the equivalent to Darth Vader TIE Fighters while those who are...sitting on their benches, fight it out with the really big guns and shields.

Skane

2007-02-25, 21:44

When did we have the trio fighting an unsplit Reinforce 1? Hayate didn't get her power until after Reinforce 1 was split from the defense program... In addition, Nanoha was holding her own for quite some time while Fate was stuck in the book.

The Arc-en-Ciel is only capable of one-shotting R1 if it can hit it. The only case we know of where the Arc-en-Ciel "one-shot" the Book of Darkness was when Chrono's father sacrificed his life to stop it. We don't even know what happened prior to attack.

Also, the Asura managed to stop the ONE attack that Precia used on it. Even that blow was VERY damaging to the Asura, and I'm not even sure that it was the target.

Edit: At this time, I feel it would be best to mention how often I'm wrong on things.
That's the whole point of the mentioning the unsplit part. The trio only fought a fragment of Reinforce's powers( the Defence Program), and even that was too powerful for them to take care of by themselves.

In fact, it wasn't just the three of them... we also had Yuuno, Arf, Chrono and the four Knights aiding them. So the Arc-en-Ciel basically trumps them all combined when it comes of offensive power.

Or... to put it another way. They didn't worry about collateral damage until the Arc-en-Ciel was mentioned. :p

Precia's attack was a surprise one, and even then, they were able to defend against it. Imagine how much better they would have fared if they had been prepared. The point of this is that we know that they have shields.

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-25, 22:42

In fact, it wasn't just the three of them... we also had Yuuno, Arf, Chrono and the four Knights aiding them. So the Arc-en-Ciel basically trumps them all combined when it comes of offensive power.

Cheers.

To be exact, in terms of offence, only Signum, Vita and Chrono helped out the three girls. Zafira, Shamal, Yuuno and Arf provided cover support and binding... They didn't do any real damage...

(Come to think of it, I'm not too sure if Eternal Coffin is meant to be an AOE damage or binding... It kinda do both...)

KBTKaiser

2007-02-26, 01:05

you know...

with all the sudden talk about Dark Nanoha, I'm kinda suprised there hasn't been a topic for compiling everything written on her yet. >>;

Kikaifan

2007-02-26, 02:10

In addition, Nanoha was holding her own for quite some time while Fate was stuck in the book.

She held out a while but she couldn't scratch it.

The Arc-en-Ciel is only capable of one-shotting R1 if it can hit it. The only case we know of where the Arc-en-Ciel "one-shot" the Book of Darkness was when Chrono's father sacrificed his life to stop it. We don't even know what happened prior to attack.

Chrono did say "up until now, all its previous masters have been vaporized by the Arc-en-Ciel" or somesuch. Plus I think Amy describes it as 'homing' at some point.

And even if a TSAB warship might have had more trouble faced with a unified and purposeful YnS instead of the unconscious giant monster form, Nanoha was only able to hit even the fractured YnS at the end of A's with an upper-tier spell by surprising it with Excelion, which is pretty much a one shot trick. And she still did no damage.

Nanoha & Co. kick a lot of ass but for wasting whole worlds only Lost Logia and TSAB warships are up to the task...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-26, 03:46

Nanoha & Co. kick a lot of ass but for wasting whole worlds only Lost Logia and TSAB warships are up to the task...

I agree, people tend to exaggerate their abilities alots... :heh:

But about the TSAB warships, remember that the Asura is one of the few ships that have been fitted with the Arc-en-Ciel, that means we haven't really seen the combat efficiency of a 'standard' warship... Hell, we don't even know what weapons they use...

Woden

2007-02-26, 05:34

That's the whole point of the mentioning the unsplit part. The trio only fought a fragment of Reinforce's powers( the Defence Program), and even that was too powerful for them to take care of by themselves.

In fact, it wasn't just the three of them... we also had Yuuno, Arf, Chrono and the four Knights aiding them. So the Arc-en-Ciel basically trumps them all combined when it comes of offensive power.

Or... to put it another way. They didn't worry about collateral damage until the Arc-en-Ciel was mentioned. :p

Precia's attack was a surprise one, and even then, they were able to defend against it. Imagine how much better they would have fared if they had been prepared. The point of this is that we know that they have shields.

Cheers.

The Arc-en-Ciel only blew up the Defense Program in this case as well. Also, while the Arc-en-Ciel does trump pretty much every other known weapon, it is a bit of a ridiculous comparison. For one thing, it is a bit like comparing a ballistic missile with a nuclear weapon and calling the first one garbage. The Arc-en-Ciel is mighty, yet it is also slow as all get out. I have a feeling that the result would be quite different if a Arc-en-Ciel armed Asura were to fight R1 and R1 knew what was happening. All of the attacks that we know of seem to have featured an escort, so it isn't like you can just go "Fire the Arc-en-Ciel" as soon as you show up and the Book of Darkness dies. While I vaguely recall something about the Arc-en-Ciel being homing as well, it is frankly useless in common application. It is a superweapon, and if you leave one unguarded it will be destroyed.

Also, Precia's attack was ONE attack. In that one attack, the Asura was heavily damaged. Let's not kid ourselves by making it sound like Precia made this massive assault and the Asura's shields held and allowed the ship to come out unscathed. In fact, your assumption about the shields is based on the Asura not being destroyed by one attack. That is not a valid basis for a statement in my experience.

To try and give a somewhat sane conclusion to my series of ridiculous statements, the Trio may or may not have been able to force the Book of Darkness to reincarnate. We do not know, as they have not tried. The Asura may or may not have shields, but I don't think it would matter in a battle against the Trio. My original statement (or at least thought) was that the Trio could take out the Asura. I have not seen any information that suggests otherwise. I have not seen any information that suggests that Asura has shields, nor have I seen any information that any shields it might have are capable of blocking of blocking a maximum power Starlight Breaker. That is the gist of what I was saying, or at least trying to say.

Edit: Oh, and I'm still frequently wrong.

LoweGear

2007-02-26, 05:44

Hmmm... I know Amy said the Arc-En-Ciel can be fired anywhere, but I don't remember her, or anybody else saying that it was homing as well O_o

Skane

2007-02-26, 06:20

The Arc-en-Ciel only blew up the Defense Program in this case as well. Also, while the Arc-en-Ciel does trump pretty much every other known weapon, it is a bit of a ridiculous comparison. For one thing, it is a bit like comparing a ballistic missile with a nuclear weapon and calling the first one garbage. The Arc-en-Ciel is mighty, yet it is also slow as all get out. I have a feeling that the result would be quite different if a Arc-en-Ciel armed Asura were to fight R1 and R1 knew what was happening. All of the attacks that we know of seem to have featured an escort, so it isn't like you can just go "Fire the Arc-en-Ciel" as soon as you show up and the Book of Darkness dies. While I vaguely recall something about the Arc-en-Ciel being homing as well, it is frankly useless in common application. It is a superweapon, and if you leave one unguarded it will be destroyed.
The Arc-en-Ciel has a history of destroying the Book of Darkness. In A's, they just made it permanent.

Also, Precia's attack was ONE attack. In that one attack, the Asura was heavily damaged. Let's not kid ourselves by making it sound like Precia made this massive assault and the Asura's shields held and allowed the ship to come out unscathed. In fact, your assumption about the shields is based on the Asura not being destroyed by one attack. That is not a valid basis for a statement in my experience.
Precia's "ONE" attack was powered by NINE, count them, NINE Lost Logias. Now... consider this, R1 is just ONE Lost Logia, and she pretty much brushed off Nanoha and Fate combined( an IMPROVED pair of Nanoha and Fate no less).

And now you want me to believe that the trio has more power than 3 Lost Logias each?
To try and give a somewhat sane conclusion to my series of ridiculous statements, the Trio may or may not have been able to force the Book of Darkness to reincarnate. We do not know, as they have not tried. The Asura may or may not have shields, but I don't think it would matter in a battle against the Trio. My original statement (or at least thought) was that the Trio could take out the Asura. I have not seen any information that suggests otherwise. I have not seen any information that suggests that Asura has shields, nor have I seen any information that any shields it might have are capable of blocking of blocking a maximum power Starlight Breaker. That is the gist of what I was saying, or at least trying to say.

Edit: Oh, and I'm still frequently wrong.
The Asura does have shields. This is not a matter of speculation. Refer to Ep11 of the first season. Shields that are capable of protecting against, dare I say it, an attack power of NINE Lost Logias. :p

Cheers.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-26, 06:22

Kaiser - Considering Xris' last post in the thread request topic, I doubt such a thing would be approved. (After being a member for several years Animesuki's topic acception methods still confuse me)

About ships - Precea's power level is unknown, except that we know she can deal heavy damage to a TSAB (shielded or unshielded) warship from a vast distance, interdimensionally or whatever.

We know that select TSAB warships have at least one weapon. The Arc-en-Ciel. We know this weapon takes a very long time to charge and will blow the crap out of whatever it hits. We know it's range is massive but I also don't remember any homing feature. Amy was going crazy with the calculations before firing it, so I always figured it had no homing and she just had to make sure it didn't miss.

We can pretty much assume that s1 Nanoha couldn't best Presea in destructive force. However, A's Nanoha is much more powerful and we can safely assume StrikerS Nanoha is far more powerful still. However, the fact remains that Presea's Sithlord lightning attack is of an unknown power level compared to anything Nanoha has shown in A's.

In my conclusion, true, we don't know for certain. But that's why such conversations are fun. Personally, I think StrikerS Nanoha would be greater in power than Presea. Then add in the others and I think a TSAB warship wouldn't last because it's main gun is useless and it hasn't shown any other weapons.

Does anybody remember why they didn't immediately strike back at Presea's lightning with their own equally ranged and equally damaging attack? :)

Skane

2007-02-26, 06:45

~~ Does anybody remember why they didn't immediately strike back at Presea's lightning with their own equally ranged and equally damaging attack? :)
If you are referring to the usage of the Arc-en-Ciel, then that is because they didn't have it equipped in the first season. The Arc-en-Ciel was only equipped on the Asura in A's because they were assigned the "Book of Darkness" case.

Narf.

LoweGear

2007-02-26, 06:51

Even if they did have the Arc-En-Ciel during that time, I doubt they would've used it; afterall, they wanted to arrest whoever's responsible, not blow them out of existence ^^;;;

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-26, 07:28

Sorry for the strange timing there, Skane. Judging from the timestamp we were both likely writing out last long posts at the same time.

Anyhow, I didn't mean the Arc-en-ciel. I just meant any weapon. I was trying to think of instances where they mentioned having weapons.

Actually, I just finished off S-Strain and admittedly, I could picture a StrikerS space battle to be a lot like that. A few awesome mages vs a horde of goons, and then two battleships fighting separately.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-26, 07:48

As I've brought up, we don't know what a warship is capable of combat-wise, other than being a host for the Arc-En-Ciel ...

Loner

2007-02-26, 08:31

About ships - Precea's power level is unknown, except that we know she can deal heavy damage to a TSAB (shielded or unshielded) warship from a vast distance, interdimensionally or whatever.

And on top of that, what we were shown during that attack doesn't tell us if Presea launched that attack herself unaided, if she was boosting her own personal abilities with the power source of the Garden of Time, or if she was firing a weapon built into the Garden.

Does anybody remember why they didn't immediately strike back at Presea's lightning with their own equally ranged and equally damaging attack? :)

Presea used that long-ranged attack twice. The first time, they weren't expecting it and weren't able to figure out where it had been launched from before the Asura was out of action. The second time, they had already planned to send their Enforcers to arrest Presea. Although she had committed crimes, none were such that immediate execution without a trial could be justified. Plus, since they had just found out where she was, they didn't know who or what might be at that location besides Presea. There was always the chance that she was based somewhere with innocent civilians around, or (more likely) that whatever power sources and equipment she had already prepared to make use of the Lost Logia, in the immortal words of Sean Connery from the movie Red October, "don't react well to bullets".

Estavali

2007-02-26, 09:09

Like lauching a missile at an place with a number of nuclear generators?

Kikaifan

2007-02-26, 09:24

The Arc-en-Ciel has a history of destroying the Book of Darkness. In A's, they just made it permanent.

Precia's "ONE" attack was powered by NINE, count them, NINE Lost Logias. Now... consider this, R1 is just ONE Lost Logia, and she pretty much brushed off Nanoha and Fate combined( an IMPROVED pair of Nanoha and Fate no less).

And now you want me to believe that the trio has more power than 3 Lost Logias each?

The Asura does have shields. This is not a matter of speculation. Refer to Ep11 of the first season. Shields that are capable of protecting against, dare I say it, an attack power of NINE Lost Logias. :p

Cheers.

I never interpreted Precia as using the jewel seeds to cast her battle-magic... for one thing, aren't they only good for dimensional manipulation?

Gearhead

2007-02-26, 09:37

I never interpreted Precia as using the jewel seeds to cast her battle-magic... for one thing, aren't they only good for dimensional manipulation?

Considering that the Seeds were doing a whole lot BESIDES dimensional warping before Precia got hold of them, I imagine that they're more like massive amplifiers.

LoweGear

2007-02-26, 09:38

... For one thing, I've always seen the Jewel Seeds as a power source (asides from its "wish fulfillment" function), which was exactly what Precia needed for her ambitions. The Jewel Seeds were describe as "crystallized extradimensional energy" or at least something to that extent...

Veg

2007-02-26, 10:10

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These are the scans which I mentioned in my previous post. Enjoy.

LoweGear

2007-02-26, 10:27

Erh, sorry to rain in on the parade, but those pics were posted a few weeks ago already ^^;;; Although it'll be useful for those who haven't seen them yet.

Veg

2007-02-26, 10:28

Erh, sorry to rain in on the parade, but those pics were posted a few weeks ago already ^^;;; Although it'll be useful for those who haven't seen them yet.
Well, didn't had the time to read the whole thread ;).

Deathkillz

2007-02-26, 18:57

Erh, sorry to rain in on the parade, but those pics were posted a few weeks ago already ^^;;; Although it'll be useful for those who haven't seen them yet.
i think it would be more useful if someone translated the pages *cough* :D

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-26, 19:14

*Eagerly awaiting the next Megami in a few days*

No straight translation that I know of but when they were posted up almost a month ago we pretty much picked them apart. Those posts should have lots of info for you.

It makes sense that she could have amplified her powers for that strike.

I just don't think we have enough information to determine if Nanoha and co could take out a warship. Tho if it ever needed to be done in the anime we can rest assured that they'd do it:)

kari-no-sugata

2007-02-26, 19:41

i think it would be more useful if someone translated the pages *cough* :D

I had a look into it a few weeks back... but would really need a Japanese text version (partly so I can copy and paste it into jdict's semi-auto trans service).

There's quite a bit of fluff in the article though.

btw, I wonder how the opening ep of StrikerS anime will be. I suspect they may start with the big fire at the airport which has been referenced many times already - it seems like quite a critical event. Then the ep could end with the skip forwards to when Nanoha and co are 19.

BatAttack

2007-02-26, 20:55

Hi - just to add my opinion to the Warship debate:

People have referred to the Asura taking 'heavy damage' the first time Prescia hit it with the wide-area inter-dimensional attack.

This does not seem accurate to me - its systems went down for a while, but were restored after some minutes. There was probably some fried circuitry as well.
Basically, the ship was 'stunned' and inoperable for a while, which to my mind is not the same as 'heavy damage', which would imply that the hull had been breached, or critical systems had been destroyed.

So, they were unable to counter-attack immediately because they had been hit by the magical equivalent of an EMP attack, and because they did not know where the attack was coming from (and may not posses weapons that can attack across dimensions?).

Also, people are questioning whether the Asura can even fight, whether it has any weapons save for Arc-en-ciel.

Let's consider that the Asure is referred to as a TSAB Warship.
A warship, by definition, is made to fight. It would have weapons and armour, perhaps shields. It would have redundancy in its critical systems.
The TSAB seem to deal with mages, lost logia, perhaps occasional magic monsters. Given that TSAB expect to encounter these things, they would surely have 'warhsips' that can hold their own against them.

If they can't even put up a fight, and are just used to ferry mages around, surely they would be called transport ships.

Cheers,

Woden

2007-02-26, 22:16

I was really hoping this would be over, as I know when I am losing...

I would like to be possibly rude for a second (well, worse than usual) and say this:

Your entire argument is based on assumptions based on things that we are not sure happened. First off, if the hull is breached and you are in trans-dimensional space then you are not suffering heavy damage. You most likely in fact, dead. If critical systems failure AND hull damage have occurred on your vessel, and you are in trans-dimensional space then you are dead.

This is probably also wildly inaccurate. However, you ARE assuming that the TSAB frequently deals with mages along the lines of Precia. Given how quickly the enforcer squad was taken out, I would say that is wrong.

You are also assuming that the TSAB works in the way a standard military would work, even though it would seem to me that they are more like a peacekeeping or police force. It would also make sense that troops in unstable foreign countries would be given the supplies that they need. They aren't in at least one current situation.

I have more thoughts, but they are probably even more delusional than these ones.

Loner

2007-02-26, 22:20

So, they were unable to counter-attack immediately because they had been hit by the magical equivalent of an EMP attack, and because they did not know where the attack was coming from (and may not posses weapons that can attack across dimensions?).

That's the best explanation we've come up with so far, I think.

If they can't even put up a fight, and are just used to ferry mages around, surely they would be called transport ships.

Well, that depends on the mages being ferried. The most powerful vessel in the TSAB arsenal will be the one Nanoha is stationed on, and will be classified as, not a transport ship or a warship, but that most feared class of vessel... a friendship. :eyespin:

BatAttack

2007-02-26, 22:37

"Your entire argument is based on assumptions based on things that we are not sure happened. First off, if the hull is breached and you are in trans-dimensional space then you are not suffering heavy damage. You most likely in fact, dead. If critical systems failure AND hull damage have occurred on your vessel, and you are in trans-dimensional space then you are dead."

You are assuming interdimensional space is like vacuum, which it may not be.
The Garden of Time loooked to be hanging in that same sort of 'space', yet Nanoha and company seemed fine standing on the outside.

You are assuming a hull breach would be instantly lethal, which it may not be.
(perhaps only part of the ship is affected, and other sections are sealed off with internal bulkheads, etc.).

Critical systems on a warship would include things like engines.
Loss of engine would not mean instant death. If they were destroyed though, it would clearly be 'heavy damage'.

The Asura was knocked out for a short while, but then functions were restored. There was no talk of heading back to HQ for repairs, which pretty much excludes 'heavy damage'.

"you ARE assuming that the TSAB frequently deals with mages along the lines of Precia."

I am assuming the TSAB frequently deals with things powerful enough to cause inter-dimensional ruptures/interference etc., which implies a fair level of power.

"You are also assuming that the TSAB works in the way a standard military would work, even though it would seem to me that they are more like a peacekeeping or police force."

A police force that can destoy worlds (without contacting the planetary authorities) with the Arc-en-Ciel?

It is true that the TSAB's function is not well defined, but if they cannot fight, their 'Warships' are grossly mis-named.

"It would also make sense that troops in unstable foreign countries would be given the supplies that they need. They aren't in at least one current situation."

That seems like a seperate issue to me.
Perhaps there are many TSAB enforcers who have not been issued with Storage Devices, due to supply problems? :rolleyes:

And to reply directly to that supply issue: that is not a case of the military making 'sense' - it is a logistical or political problem.
Either:
a) The military has the necessary supplies but is unable to get them to the troops fast enough, in which case they need more transport infrastructure, which means spending on new equipment and recruiting more staff, or
b) The military does not have the necessary supplies because politicians have not granted them the necessary budget, or in cases of large wars, have not shifted into a war-economy.

Incidentally, the TSAB appears to be quite well funded.
Since most of their patrols are idle and leisurely they are definitely not under-staffed, and they can afford fancy uniforms and bonzai/tea ceremony rooms on their patrol ships. And their ships sure are SPACIOUS. :twitch:

BatAttack

2007-02-26, 22:40

"The most powerful vessel in the TSAB arsenal will be the one Nanoha is stationed on, and will be classified as, not a transport ship or a warship, but that most feared class of vessel... a friendship. "

Oh... oh.... that's good..

The TSAB Cruise Patrol Friendship Asura. ^_^;

Kiety

2007-02-26, 23:12

Precia's "ONE" attack was powered by NINE, count them, NINE Lost Logias.

hmm i could be wrong but I thought the Jewel Seeds, are fragments of the one lost logia that Yuuno found, so if we assume that Precia used the Jewel seeds in her possession then the Asura was hit with the power of less than half (9/21 or however many it was) of a Lost Logia.

BatAttack

2007-02-26, 23:26

hmm i could be wrong but I thought the Jewel Seeds, are fragments of the one lost logia that Yuuno found, so if we assume that Precia used the Jewel seeds in her possession then the Asura was hit with the power of less than half (9/21 or however many it was) of a Lost Logia.

Hmmm... I don't recall anything about them being fragments of a single one.

But even then, we don't know how powerful lost logia are, or that all lost logia are equally powerful (it seems to be a blanket term for any ancient magical artefact) - so really individual weaker lost logia or fragments of a single super powerful lost logia does not make a big difference. They are clearly 'powerful enough'.

At the time of the first inter-dimensional attack, I'm pretty sure Prescia only had the original 4 Jewel Seeds that Fate retreived.

I also doubt she used the Jewel Seeds in her attack...
They seem quite difficult to harness - once activated it seems a struggle to contain them. I'm pretty sure she was keeping them in reserve for the 'big job' of opening the gate to Al-Hazard..
She was already concerned she did not have enough of them, so I doubt she would have wasted any of their power for extraneous attacks.

aers

2007-02-27, 02:24

JediNight

2007-02-27, 04:20

You folks do realize you're fighting over entirely fictitious "power levels" of artifacts based on personal assumptions of said powers, right? ^_^;;

This reminds me of people who fight over who would win Star Trek or Star Wars ;x
Or which Gundam would kick whose butt...

Skane

2007-02-27, 04:47

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-27, 05:37

There's nothing wrong with agurments on fictional works, the only problem with this case is that there's TOO many assumptions and not alot of official information... However, it's not entirely impossible to estimate...

Fine, from now on, we shall discuss the yuri-possibility of the Subaru&Nanoha pairing.

:p

Does Nanoha like children to begin with...? :confused: (Crap, I think I started something...)

LoweGear

2007-02-27, 05:37

XD

At least we know now - as of the StrikerS chapter 4 - that Subaru's interest from Nanoha didn't stem out of simple idol worship, since it's implied that Nanoha saved her life from that airport incident.

This development though kinda rules out a fear of mine about "Idol Expectation Shock", so to speak, regarding Subaru first meeting Nanoha, since she's already met, and seen Nanoha in action, and not only that but in a way Subaru owes her life to Nanoha-sama.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-27, 05:49

"Idol Expectation Shock" ? :heh:

Well, I can guess that by the time StrikerS starts (1 more month people!!), they should be familiar with each other already, seeing as how they have assigned them to their teams...

Skane

2007-02-27, 06:26

~~ Does Nanoha like children to begin with...? :confused: (Crap, I think I started something...)
I'll hack a lung if Nanoha turns out to be a lolicon. :heh:

Yiee!

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-27, 06:42

Batattack - Apart from your name giving me horrible flashbacks to being attacked by bats, you've completely won me over on the warship arguement. Or at least as far as we can take it now.

Jedi - But we argue about it because it's fun. I doubt any of us really have any harsh feelings toways other Nanoha fans because of it.

Skane - I'd consider Nanoha being a lolicon to be one of the greatest plot twists ever. Perhaps having been seperated from Fate a bit more due to work has given her a complex where she longs for the love she had when young, and that makes her subconsciously feel that she can only find such love in a loli. That's how this stuff tends to happen irl.

Nightengale

2007-02-27, 08:06

I'd fear for Elio or Carol instead if she's a lolicon. Subaru's like...15/16 at the start of the anime? Not a loli. :P

Seriously, I must be the only one who personally dislikes the whole yuri-lite/yaoi-lite discussions. I don't mind them and they can be extremely amusing at times, (( Prince of Tennis's emotional moments in the anime were some of the funniest things I've ever watched )) but I don't particular like talking about it like it's real, unless genuinely proven otherwise like one-sided ShiNatz or Gravitation.

I find the whole revelation of the prohibited physical-weaponry (( apparently physical weaponry that's powered by magic ala Knuckle is okay though )) interesting. It means that the main police force of Midchilda is pretty much limited to human mages and I don't think there's as many mages as there are stormtroopers, and with robots possessing anti-magic fields, it also means that only skilled mages can make a difference. With the obvious existence of non-magic requiring technology (( unless androids has Linker Cores as well )) that can weaken magic and probably fight on equal levels with some magic, it probably means that with sufficient technology, non-mage humans with superb physical abilities should be able to match mages on certain levels as well....

I desperately want non-magic powering suits ala Kamen Rider now... They can be the opponent for the rookies while legit mages of the dark side fight it on with the trio. :P

I WANT GRAHAM!!!!!! ;(

Loner

2007-02-27, 08:22

Personally, I find the TSAB restriction against non-magic weapons suspicious. Since AMFs are known to be possible, anyone trained in magic-only methods will be at a huge disadvantage against anyone using an AMF. (A problem Fate herself was seeking a solution to in Chapter 4.) And the timing of that edict seems to coincide with the appearance of the mechanical weapons that keep showing up.

Well, if whoever is sending those weapons to grab Lost Logia is themselves or has a subordinate within the TSAB, it would explain a lot. Pushing that "no non-magic weapons" rule through would give them an advantage, and they have to be finding the Lost Logia somehow - maybe through monitoring when the Bureau sends someone out to collect them?

That's the problem with a big organization like the TSAB - if someone behaves as a perfectly model officer EXCEPT when they're passing on information to their cronies outside, they're really tough to detect.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-27, 08:31

Actaully, if that restriction weren't a blantant move by the dark side, I'd consider it absolutely amazing (and the TSAB extremely stupid) just because it's so obviously a move to weaken the TSAB's effectiveness.

Like how in Resident Evil 2 the police chief ordered weapons and ammo to be placed in very poor locations prior to the crap hitting the fan. I mean, c'mon. It's freakin obvious something was going on there.

I would've loved to have been at that meeting and saw the protests, and how they were squashed. A payout, perhaps? Or does the enemy have an extremely skilled diplomat on the inside? Because that's what it would take to let something that obviously evil pass.

Nightengale

2007-02-27, 08:36

Frankly, the moment secret organization is even mentioned, I think the first thing that came into everyone's mind is MOLE. And moles in general are either superb pretenders or big-shots.

Isn't that pretty much why Acoss is like primary evil suspect #1 since,

1. he's obviously damn good with magic
2. he's an intel officer...which means he knows a lot and probably works alone most of the time
3. he apparently can somehow symphatize with the evil-doings of misusing LL
4. he's got good relationships with the main cast...which means EMO
5. obviously his relationship with Chrono and...apparently Hayate is beyond normal friendship...which means UBER EMO
6. he gives out ebil vibes (( or maybe it's just me... ))

But at the same time, Acoss doesn't seem to have the position to pass something so big, since it probably affects non-TSAB personnel as well unless TSAB is the only force who's allowed to possess weapons to begin with. Think about how many normal non-mage soldiers/defense robots/weapons would be out of commision. It's something that legitly causes heavy losses in terms of money and personnel. So unless it's a dumb move by TSAB idiot blockheads, there's clearly someone VERY VERY big working undercover in the heart of TSAB...which is why I believe TSAB or at least A LOT of it's branches will be destroyed by the secret organization by late-mid series.

Skane

2007-02-27, 08:43

Frankly, the moment secret organization is even mentioned, I think the first thing that came into everyone's mind is MOLE. And moles in general are either superb pretenders or big-shots.

Isn't that pretty much why Acoss is like primary evil suspect #1 since,

1. he's obviously damn good with magic
2. he's an intel officer...which means he knows a lot and probably works alone most of the time
3. he apparently can somehow symphatize with the evil-doings of misusing LL
4. he's got good relationships with the main cast...which means EMO
5. obviously his relationship with Chrono and...apparently Hayate is beyond normal friendship...which means UBER EMO
6. he gives out ebil vibes (( or maybe it's just me... ))

But at the same time, Acoss doesn't seem to have the position to pass something so big, since it affects non-TSAB personnel as well. Think about how many normal non-mage soldiers/defense robots/weapons would be out of commision. It's something that legitly causes heavy losses in terms of money and personnel. So unless it's a dumb move by TSAB idiot blockheads, there's clearly someone VERY VERY big working undercover in the heart of TSAB...which is why I believe TSAB or at least A LOT of it's branches will be destroyed by the secret organization by late-mid series.
7. He's bishie. Anime convention states that bishies in Mahou-Shoujo should be the villain.

"It's criminal to be that good-looking!"

:p

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-27, 08:49

"All physical weapons have already been outlawed..."

It doesn't mean that they were ban just recently, it could have been going on for years! So it's possible it has nothing to do with a mole, but rather somebody has been taking advantage of this weakness that has been there for a long time...

.
.
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8. He's the 'Itsuki', that by itself is a crime!!

Nightengale

2007-02-27, 08:55

But the fact that Fate and Nanoha seems like they're only starting the early stages of implementing the training of mages that are capable of overcoming the ban of non-magic weapons + AMF-able weaponry and the obvious fact that long-term plans haven't even started yet shows that it's at least something recent. Unless of course AMF technology has only been developed recently to the point where the ban becomes a liability, but that itself seems improbable.

Personally, even though I was rooting for evil Acoss... I kind of don't want to see that happen either, if Acoss and Hayate are really in a relationship. Or at least I don't want to see a tragic ending for them. Well... it could always play out like Infernal Affairs.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-27, 09:11

Looking back at chap 1, AMF are ranked as AAA-class protection spell, maybe AAA aren't as common as we thought, hence there's no need to include it into their mage trainings...

That was the first time they've encountered those machines, and from the recent chapter they haven't seen them for quite awhile till the airport incident, the 'drones' might not be appearing often enough to require a change. Fate and Nanoha seems to be preparing the mages for future cases...

... I'm usually not this evil, but if I were to go with the 'evil Acoss' idea, the worst case would be him getting to Hayate just to use her... :(

Darco_emp

2007-02-27, 09:31

... I'm usually not this evil, but if I were to go with the 'evil Acoss' idea, the worst case would be him getting to Hayate just to use her...

This could be scary, to pit Hayate against Nanoha and Fate, and i can see cities gets wiped from the map.

Since the new girls seems to be the top of their classes in traning, and after 3 years of training and still the highest class is B, then that leds to AAA to SS the the girls are at are maybe few per generation.

Deathkillz

2007-02-27, 12:21

... I'm usually not this evil, but if I were to go with the 'evil Acoss' idea, the worst case would be him getting to Hayate just to use her... :(
that idea is actually very valid considering that this acoss guy is really evil...i mean what else is an evil bastard gonna use the most powerful lost logia tome for besides destruction >.< but with that said i would like to see the TSAB fall into flames courtesy of mistress hayate :p

Kiety

2007-02-27, 12:33

Megami vol 83 pics

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5056/1172585424507tj5.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1172585424507tj5.jpg)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4016/1172595144524mb1.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1172595144524mb1.jpg)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5711/1172595199511mt4.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1172595199511mt4.jpg)

/drool @ fate poster

Village Idiot

2007-02-27, 12:42

Are the scans for Ch06 of the StrikerS manga scanned yet?

Kiety

2007-02-27, 12:43

mm i duno, i found these on 4chan ;)

National holiday tomorrow so i'm going to pick up my copy(s)

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-27, 19:37

Thanks for the post. Now I can plan wallspace usage (whenever posters go up, I need to take some down first) but damn them for putting the two Nanoha posters on the same paper AGAIN! It's too hard to decide sometimes. But this time the winner is Fate.

Tho she has a look on her face like "What? You just want me to lie here like this? ummmmm. oooooook."

Regarding the villain, in smooth Nanoha tradition, I doubt we can even guess at who the real villain is at this point. They tend to hide that fact until after the show has aired, and give us a feint at first.

panzerfan

2007-02-27, 19:55

BatAttack

2007-02-27, 20:03

Batattack - Apart from your name giving me horrible flashbacks to being attacked by bats,

Glad to be of service. :)

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-27, 20:06

Posters - I checked a better zoomed pic (God bless Irfanview) and decided to retract my previous Fate comment. Turns out it's a normal smile.

That said, that's a pair of exceptionally hot posters. I'd rank them above the Sia/Nerene Symetrical Docking one and the Haruhi Bathtowel one for hotness, despite having no nudity at all. It's likely the first time in my life that I ever wished I was a skirt, and Rak Shine even pays a visit.

Anyhow, I had a thought. Is anyone else anxious to see a SSS rank AMF or magical barrier give the girls a tough time, until Nanoha catches on and pulls out a rocket launcher (breaking the rules, but if Star Trek teaches us anything they're there to be broken if the situation calls for it)

I'd love to have seen that in A's. Reinforce survives Nanoha's barrage.
R1 "Your attacks only serve to delay your descent into eternal slumber."
Nanoha "Oh really?"
*pulls out a P90*
R1 "O.O"

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-27, 20:24

Where the heck did my post go!?

EDIT: Ok.... That was weird. I had a page 117 but clicking on it brought me to page 116. My last post was supposed to go before Batattack's.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-27, 20:34

^

The curse of dark Nanoha!

Estavali

2007-02-27, 20:39

Hmmmmmmm........... *reads the speculations about Acoss using Hayate*

*urge to kill rising*

Ehemm....

Well, I agree that Acoss and Hayate are pretty close, and personally it would be interesting to see them as a pair.

However, to you people who feel that a villain Acoss would make use of Hayate... What makes you think that she isn't capable of doing the same? That is to say, instead of Acoss "Bwahaha, Hayate is my slave!", why not Hayate "Ohoho, Acoss is mine (in all aspects)!"

In short, Dark Hayate instead of Dark Acoss (or Nanoha):D .

Hmm, I think I'm starting to see a Tohsaka Rin in Hayate... Could this be an hallucination?! :p

And no, I don't hate Rin... I mean Hayate :P. In fact she has almost taken over Fate-chan's rulership over my heart :D .

LoweGear

2007-02-27, 23:45

I am not sure as to whether or not if non-magic is defined as weapons that can do what magic cannot without using magic or any weapon that are not magical. For that matter, I would like to know if some level of paramilitary forces are maintained by member worlds under the TSAB. What I am also curious with is whether or not... if Earth,with its total dependence of military hardware that are not enhanced by magic, will play a part given this ban.

... Assuming of course that Earth knows anything about the TSAB, which doesn't seem to be the case. Unless we see a paradigm shift in the series where it turns out Earth's superpowers are secretly alligned to the TSAB and already have knowledge of magic, with that knowledge taken care of by a special organization or something along those lines (based inside Cheyenne Mountain no less calling themselves SG-1 :D:p ), then we won't be seeng much participation from Earth, asides from Nanoha of course.

And paramilitary forces? If such was the case, wouldn't the TSAB simply enlist the help from such allies, instead of having to worry about the AMF? As I see it, the ban extends to all world under Midchilda.

@ Estavali: ... you just gave me a most disturbing image of Acoss and Hayate being the evil S&M partners...

Loner

2007-02-28, 00:04

you just gave me a most disturbing image of Acoss and Hayate being the evil S&M partners...

Being an old school anime fan, you just gave me a really bad thought. If Hayate really is planning on taking over the universe, as some have suggested, there are other role models she could take. Imagine if you will, Rein popping up on Hayate's shoulders and saying things like, "Hayate-sama, you're the greatest!" :heh:

LoweGear

2007-02-28, 00:31

More new info:

Subaru : Her device(Revolver knuckle) is her mother's Keepsake.
Revolver knuckle devices are for both hands.
Subaru has a right knuckle device,and ginga has a left device.

Tiana : She can use the illusion magic too.

Elio: He has the magic conversion ability "electric".

Carol: She can makes friends not only dragons but also Birds and beasts.

Verossa:He was protected by the church in childhood and he grew up as a brother-in-law of Carim.

Griffith Loulan:Hayate's Adjutant

Shario Fineeno : Communications Officer and device master

Luchino Relier : Communications officer

The most interesting news would be Ginga having her own Revolver Knuckle... I swear, Subaru's gonna perform Hell and Heaven at least once in this series XD Carol as a general purpose Beastmaster though certainly makes her more interesting, using her summoned beasts to compensate for her C+ rank.

Village Idiot

2007-02-28, 00:49

They're so setting up Subaru to do Revolver Stake, Byakko Kou, Mai Suzaku, Hell and Heaven and Rampage Ghost with Tiana.

Cut to about 3:34 of this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFiytipAerA

Cut to 8:26 of this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZn_IFiZU0

And finally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5y_Njg3Wfs

LoweGear

2007-02-28, 01:12

Wow, you just listed all of the videos on my favorites list XD

The Starting Stars Combo attack?

Edit: Now that I've seen Thrud's attack animation more closely (never paid attention to it before)... don't you think the Zankantou and Bardiche Zanber look almost similar in their three pronged appearance and the crystal in the crossguard? :twitch:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-28, 04:34

Elio - "electric" eh? Abit like Fate...

Carol - "She can makes friends with..." , does anybody else finds that unintentionally funny? :D

Verossa: "...grew up as a brother-in-law of Carim..." Woah woah woah, Karim's married?! And 'grew up as' ? How how is she?! :twitch:

Chi-no

2007-02-28, 08:36

Looks like most of the new gals have almost the same uniform as Nanoha's.... Wonder if it is a Uniform design for them .... The design are very much alike .... :cool:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-02-28, 08:55

The uniform design is all the same, the only difference is the color... There's blue, brown, white and black I think...

The only one who doesn't seem to wear a uniform is Chrono, but hey at least it looks cooler...

Loner

2007-02-28, 10:26

The design of the TSAB uniforms is the same for all of them. The colors used appear to indicate the branch of service (Army, Navy or Air Force).

Subaru making a Barrier Jacket that is modeled after Nanoha's makes sense, because we already know she idolizes Nanoha. I would expect Tiana used the same vest because it gives them a "team" look.

Estavali

2007-02-28, 18:33

Hmm, I must be the only one who thinks that Eriol is starting to resemble Negi-bozu. Looks... pretty close. Age... almost the same. Ability to convert magic power to electricity... Fate-ish, and Negi is skilled in both wind and lightning magic.

Carim is really starting to have a Lindy feel :D.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-02-28, 19:37

I don't see that similarity at all. I'll accept Tiana looks slightly similar to Asuna in -some- art but Elio deffinately doesn't look like Negi.

Tho I suppose there are some who think Primula(Shuffle) and Ruri(Nadesico) look exactly alike, so maybe I'm just open-minded on the subject.

FlameSparkZ

2007-03-01, 07:44

Tho I suppose there are some who think Primula(Shuffle) and Ruri(Nadesico) look exactly alike, so maybe I'm just open-minded on the subject.

To me, they're completely different....besides, Primula is way cuter :D

Kiety

2007-03-02, 13:57

To me, they're completely different....besides, Primula is way cuter :D

i duno...

'baka baka' was pretty damn cute back in the days...

I hope Kyaro has a trademark cute phrase ;D

Kikaifan

2007-03-02, 19:32

I'm with Kiety. The grace, the majesty of 'baka baka'... it is eternal.

I get Lina vibes off Tiana but that's probably more of a personal problem.

Village Idiot

2007-03-03, 00:15

Rumor alert:

Nanoha might be licensed by Geneon.

Apparently the Nanoha domain name was registered in Janurary.

Darco_emp

2007-03-03, 00:35

but that should not include StrikerS should it?

I hope that Nanoha does not go through pre-licensing to ensure we get a good fan subs before we buy the DVDs

Village Idiot

2007-03-03, 01:30

First Clue at ANN on Geneon's new license:

It's based off a PC game.

This would apply to both Higurashi AND Nanoha (Lyrical Box)

relentlessflame

2007-03-03, 01:40

It's based off a PC game.

This would apply to both Higurashi AND Nanoha (Lyrical Box)I think that'd be a pretty big stretch to apply to Nanoha, actually. You could say it's a spin-off, but it's not really "based off" of it -- it's entirely original story material written just for the anime (and associated novels, manga, drama CDs, etc.). So yeah, I'm guessing it's probably Higurashi, if it's one of the two.

Village Idiot

2007-03-03, 01:44

I think that'd be a pretty big stretch to apply to Nanoha, actually. You could say it's a spin-off, but it's not really "based off" of it -- it's entirely original story material written just for the anime (and associated novels, manga, drama CDs, etc.). So yeah, I'm guessing it's probably Higurashi, if it's one of the two.

Yes, I definitely agree with your assesment.

Nanoha anime takes characters/ideas from Triangle Hearts and Lyrical Box, so its more of a spinoff than actually based off of.

Its most likely Higurashi, though I'm guessing Nanoha and Mariamite's licensing will be announced shortly afterwards.

If/When Nanoha gets licensed, I really hope someone brings over the mangas as well.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-03, 02:22

It'd be nice if they could be included as inserts.

sezen_atacan

2007-03-03, 17:39

Umm.. Is there a particular reason that Fate looks like Arisa? Or is it because the use of generic designs make some characters indifferent from one another?

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-03, 20:57

Huh? Depending on the hair style Fate's using at the time I guess you could maybe see it, but I don't think it's a big enough similarity to cause confusion. Read back a bit, I think it was only a few days ago that we were talking about this.

So Geneon's mystery series isn't Nanoha. Unless they skew the latest clue in some horribly strange way. I'm mad at them for using Nanoha as a red hering but I can't blame them. They still own that domain though, and Nanoha was their false lead two times in a row, so maybe they'll still actually liscense the thing.

Mainly, I think they need to remember when making these contests that a huge number of their potential buyers watch fansubs, so they'd be able to guess simple clues immediately.

panzerfan

2007-03-03, 21:52

Nanoha's technically based on a PC-game, but it really is a derived material.

Arisa and Fate look somewhat similar, although Arisa inherits from Arisa Lowell, the ghost, while Fate is... original?

relentlessflame

2007-03-03, 21:55

So Geneon's mystery series isn't Nanoha. Unless they skew the latest clue in some horribly strange way. I'm mad at them for using Nanoha as a red hering but I can't blame them. They still own that domain though, and Nanoha was their false lead two times in a row, so maybe they'll still actually liscense the thing.Well, you know, I'm quite sure that Geneon had no intention that some guy on the Internet would happen to stumble across all these domains (including the one for Higurashi) and publicize that before it the licenses were announced. It sort of screwed up their contest, just like how their last contest was screwed up by an accidental posting on their own website. The moral of the story may be that they should just stop running contests. :heh: That being said, the odds of them having licensed it already are pretty big (they haven't been known to buy domains for shows they haven't licensed) -- now we're just waiting for the announcement. Guess we can keep talking about it in this thread though now.

Kiety

2007-03-04, 22:56

VOTE FATE

http://www.lolitron.org

gogo vote fate ^^

LoweGear

2007-03-04, 23:34

Holy ****....

Pitting two of my favorite characters against each other? :twitch: THis is just insane, now I don't know who to vote for :(

Xellos-_^

2007-03-05, 00:44

VOTE FATE

http://www.lolitron.org

gogo vote fate ^^

I was voter # 666 :rolleyes:

I vote for Fate with a clear since Yuki isn't really a Loli and Fate pre-S is/was a loli.

Kiety

2007-03-05, 01:56

too bad I wasn't voter #1 for fate :< I was #1 for Evangeline ! damn work :< was stuck on the car driving to work when the votes started

Nightengale

2007-03-05, 04:06

....Severely off-topic, guys. It was already off-topic to begin with, but we had the whole "anticipating StrikerS, thus conversing about manga stuff + magic/tech/evil villian rambling" leeway, but this isn't even anticipating anymore, more like advertising.

If I'm not wrong, StrikerS's Chrono lineart hasn't been released, has it? I find that perplexing, especially when the StrikerS manga Chrono doesn't look as adult as the end-of-A's Chrono in the anime. I know the manga's art isn't 120% faithful to the lineart totally, but still...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-05, 07:39

If I'm not wrong, StrikerS's Chrono lineart hasn't been released, has it? I find that perplexing, especially when the StrikerS manga Chrono doesn't look as adult as the end-of-A's Chrono in the anime. I know the manga's art isn't 120% faithful to the lineart totally, but still...

No I don't think they have... But they don't look TOO different, you could still tell it's the 'adult' him...

Also, it’s weird that they STILL haven't update the StrikerS website about the 'Story', 'World' and 'Character' (But we already know them, so not as important as 'Story'...), as well as the remaining character's image...

'On Air' is now available, but I don't know if it's anything special...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-05, 19:36

They've always been lazy with their websites. Note how at first glance even ON Air seems to be unavailible until you mouse over it. I wouldn't expect a big update until after Murphy's Law comes into effect and proves us wrong about them not updating.

Not that updates are wrong. It's just the only law I could think of that would apply to this. Hmmmmm. Perhaps a Murphy's Good Law?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-05, 19:45

Murphy has a good law?! Hmmm, mustn't be popular enough :heh: ... Seeing as how the bad one is always... Nvm...

Deathkillz

2007-03-05, 19:47

Lost

2007-03-05, 22:30

I voted for Fate too.. and as it turns out, she won (http://www.lolitron.org/2007/03/05/loli-battle-yuki-nagato-vs-fate-testarossa/)!

LoweGear

2007-03-05, 23:14

ooo...looking at AniDB (http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=latestanimes&last.anime.month=4&last.anime.year=2007) it says strikerS is gonna air on the 2nd of april...i wonder how accurate this is O.o

It's a reasonable date, and better if it was true, since it's the day after the Lyrical Party. Still gotta wait for confirmation.

And bittersweet moment for Fate winning (my vote), since Yuki got knocked out.

WHY?!? :(

Kikaifan

2007-03-06, 03:25

I refer you to your signature.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-06, 06:01

LoweGear

2007-03-06, 06:14

I refer you to your signature.

Unfortunately true... :(

And a monday air date would be good, means subs would be out faster within the week.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-06, 07:05

I'll be happy enough if they just release a trailer, shouldn't it be about time they do that?

LoweGear

2007-03-06, 07:11

Seems like StrikerS is the only one of the upcoming anticipated titles without a trailer yet. Seems they're holding unto their animation vids till the last best moment, unlike the others where they have trailers months before the airdate.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-06, 07:15

I don't even think the last two seasons had a trailer.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-06, 08:05

They don't? Damn, they sure like to keep their fans guessing till the end...

Well, at least we get to hear the opening song (Though not officially :heh:)... Now if they could only release the video to go with it...

Village Idiot

2007-03-06, 08:57

Technically, I think the trailers are the StrikerS prequel manga that they've been releasing every month for the past six months or so.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-06, 09:49

But those are more of a prologue than a 'trailer' , which suppose to show scenes from the anime... Unless they're planning to show the them as well in the anime, but that'll mean that there'll be less time for 'new' material...

Deathkillz

2007-03-06, 11:43

i dont think that this series needs a trailer ~ it would be better to just let the writers surprise us with the first ep :) lets start off with "why was nanoha injured during the manga!!!" >.< (im just dying to know tho chances are low...)
April 2nd? So it aires on a Monday? Hmmm. Seems a bit strange. Also, the day after LP seems a bit fishy to me.

Well, in truth, I'm just annoyed that I'll be in Japan over that time and unless they show the entire episode at LP, I'm gonna miss it. Ironic that. What I mean is, I know that where I'm staying has very few TV stations and I doubt I'll be able to download and watch an entire episode. And for quality reasons I refuse Youtube.
not as bad as me...ill be on holiday during the airing and wont be back til the 15th...and while all that time i wont have access to the computer at all @_@ ~ got some catching up when i come back :heh:

houkoholic

2007-03-06, 16:51

April 2nd? So it aires on a Monday? Hmmm. Seems a bit strange. Also, the day after LP seems a bit fishy to me.

Well, in truth, I'm just annoyed that I'll be in Japan over that time and unless they show the entire episode at LP, I'm gonna miss it. Ironic that. What I mean is, I know that where I'm staying has very few TV stations and I doubt I'll be able to download and watch an entire episode. And for quality reasons I refuse Youtube.

Nothing fishy at all, they premiered the entire first episode of A's at LP2 last time before it went on air a few weeks later. I actually expect that they would premiere the whole first episode of StrikerS at LP3.

Also as a general rule in the industry, the master tape for an anime episode must be delivered to the TV station a week before it goes on air, so the episodes has to be finalised before that. Also IIRC, a report on the dubbing for the episode in mid-Feburary has stated that it's already up to episode 4. I think they actually have a nice stock of episodes done already.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-06, 17:50

I meant I didn't think they'd air it on TV the day after it aires at LP.

houkoholic

2007-03-06, 20:30

Why not?

Only thousands can watch it at the event, whereas millions watches it on TV.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-07, 06:55

Because one day after (less than a day depending on it's air time) doesn't seem like much of a sneak preview compared to the sneak previews I'm used to seeing for animes.

houkoholic

2007-03-07, 09:20

Yeah but the people going to LP are seiyuu otakus and the attraction of the LP events had always been about putting the seiyuus in the spotlight and let them perform and do crazy games (with a Nanoha theme) and not really about previewing the actual anime show itself. The premiere is merely a sweetener in this case. Unlike say other anime centric festivals like Gonzo Fest or TBS Fest or something where the aim is to promote the actual show itself and let anime otakus see the show before it airs.

If you are going, I can guarantee you that on the day you'll see 1/3 of the turn out are rabid Yukarin fans having some sort of pink accessory, and another 1/3 are rabid Nana-chan fans carrying some sort of blue accessory. And when Yukarin and Nana-chan sings their respect songs during the event the whole audience will be jumping and chanting PPPH or waving glow sticks in rhythum.

Kikaifan

2007-03-07, 13:33

Ooooh insider perspective.

Akarum

2007-03-07, 22:23

Chi-no

2007-03-07, 22:33

I would love to see the combinations of Nana-chan's Opening theme song and Yukarin-chan's Ending song ... Since they have this combination all the way from the 1st two seasons.... ;)

BatAttack

2007-03-07, 22:51

Wow, I got through all of this! First of all, thanks everyone for all the info.

Wow, you made it through all 2,375 posts!? Congratulations!

I agree with your conjecture in the spoiler tags, btw.

I don't think the spoiler tags are needed, that issue is to do with As, and has been discussed on this thread already (hey, are you sure you read all of it? :P ).

Kikaifan

2007-03-07, 22:58

LoweGear

2007-03-07, 23:04

Wow, I got through all of this! First of all, thanks everyone for all the info.
I have another theory regarding a discussion that happened a few posts ago.
I'll put this in spoilers since I'm not sure if that's where I should put it.
I think Arisa and Suzuka might have been trapped in the barrier put up by R1 for another reason. They have been in contact with Hayate, thus being friends with Nanoha and Fate, maybe R1 thought that they had also hurt her feelings and that they were part of why Hayate "wanted the world that took away her loved ones to be destroyed".

This is only my personal thoery though, many exists regarding that matter.

It will certainly explain why they were trapped in the barrier, without resorting to both of them having magic abilities, nice theory there :)

Edit:

I found this on moetron:

Nanoha StrikerS - Premiere Date!
The broadcast date for "StrikerS" has been pushed up even earlier than last reported. It will now debut April 3rd on Chiba TV

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-08, 06:00

That's a pretty good theory, actually. Good thinking.

VA's - Hmmm. I don't really care about the VA's much and I liked Eternal Blaze far more than Secret Ambition (actually, I liked the old christian rock song called Secret Ambition more than the Nanoha one. LOL). I'm mainly going to buy stuff, because I can, and because I love MSLN:) So the whole importance of the voice actors thing is gonna go right over my head I guess:(

Estavali

2007-03-08, 06:02

I think, in a way, this theory actually makes more sense than most that have been posted here :D.

Btw, From Moon Phase:

> チバテレビ：04/03（火）26:30～
> テレ玉：04/05（木）25:00～
> テレビ神奈川：4月未定

> サブタイトル：第1話『空への翼』、第2話『機動六課』

houkoholic

2007-03-08, 10:31

VA's - Hmmm. I don't really care about the VA's much and I liked Eternal Blaze far more than Secret Ambition (actually, I liked the old christian rock song called Secret Ambition more than the Nanoha one. LOL). I'm mainly going to buy stuff, because I can, and because I love MSLN:) So the whole importance of the voice actors thing is gonna go right over my head I guess:(

Oh fighting over the goods is going to get very ugly I can tell you that. Be prepared to endure the lines.

The LPs are actually a pretty good gateway to get into the seiyuu even as just being a fan of the Nanoha universe, as you can see how much talent the seiyuu really have and it's also a great insight to how they view the franchise; basically how they project themselves onto the characters. LP2 was a blast and full of LOL moments, I hope they hold the drawing contest and the live random adlib session again, too bad it doesn't look like Kuwatani Natsuko (Arf) and Mizuhashi Kaori (Yuuno) will be there as they were both extremely imaginative and funny in person and excellent drawers leading to classics such as "Tamura Nanoha". :D

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-08, 19:35

Hmmm. I really don't think you're understanding what I'm saying so let's just leave it at that. I refuse to see dorama on the Nanoha board.

Tho something did pop up in conversation today that was interresting. Since it's a 26-episode series, 3rd season with a new main cast, what do you folks think the chances are that somebody might die? Like, permanently.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-08, 19:44

I'm all ready to bet it's gonna be Genya (Subaru's father).

As a general rule, ugly and old people goes first. The pretty ones die hard.

Skane

2007-03-08, 21:25

I'm all ready to bet it's gonna be Genya (Subaru's father).

As a general rule, ugly and old people goes first. The pretty ones die hard.
I'm willing to wager more on Ginga, Subaru's sister. That way, we get to have a scene of Subaru wearing the left glove as well. ;)

Natch.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-08, 22:20

^
Nah, we'll be treated more to the scene of Ginga tossing it to her and telling Subaru to go on without her first...

Or by the looks of it, Ginga doesn't seem to be a combat officer (is she?), so it might be another scene like Chrono and Graham in A's when Graham just HANDS it over...

Chi-no

2007-03-08, 22:29

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-08, 22:45

I also can anticipate that either Subaru or Tiana would be walking on the vengence path for Subaru's mom, or Tiana's brother...

... If any of them are really dead... O_O ! Suspense!

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-09, 07:30

I just don't know if the writers would kill off charcters. On one hand it doesn't seem like their style, but on the other hand it's completely their style to do the unexpected.

eplipswich

2007-03-09, 12:08

Deathkillz

2007-03-09, 14:03

houkoholic

2007-03-09, 15:46

Hmmm. I really don't think you're understanding what I'm saying so let's just leave it at that. I refuse to see dorama on the Nanoha board.

Oh I know exactly what you're saying, I'm just telling you right now that even if you aren't interesting in the seiyuu/VA, the LP are a good way to get into them. Otherwise if you go in with the thought that the LP is about showing the anime of Nanoha, you aren't going to enjoy LP much at all despite the Nanoha branding, because like I said, LP is about the seiyuu, period.

And the thing about the enduring lines for goods is the truth as well. ;)

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-09, 19:35

well with age comes more dangers...grown up nanoha and Co will now have to face life threatening situations that has never been seen before...hold on a sec...didnt nanoha beat the strongest lost logia tome at the age of 9? how much stronger can the enemies get? :heh: i would have thought from now on things will be a walk in the park XD

*cough* but seriously i expect to see someone die...then comes the blind fury which is sure to be provided by one of the new casts :p

See, that crossed my mind too. The problem the villain faces isn't "Hmmm. How do I deal with that accursed Subaru and friends." It's "Oh sweet merciful god how the hell can I incarcerate Nanoha and co!?!?!?"

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-09, 20:28

^
Come to think of it, did they mention who's the main focus of this season will be?

well with age comes more dangers...grown up nanoha and Co will now have to face life threatening situations that has never been seen before...hold on a sec...didnt nanoha beat the strongest lost logia tome at the age of 9? how much stronger can the enemies get? :heh: i would have thought from now on things will be a walk in the park XD

*cough* but seriously i expect to see someone die...then comes the blind fury which is sure to be provided by one of the new casts :p

That's why I say they'll axe off Genya! He's the only one that won't cost wide-spread protest YET give us the 'blind fury' response we want :D

...Unless there's a reason why Arf isn't even on the character list on ANN... :uhoh:

Key Board

2007-03-09, 22:08

nobody dies in Nanoha..

well.. maybe...

Arf and Yuuno aren't listed because they have been demoted to cameo characters

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-09, 22:45

Deathlist

1. Clyde Haraoun
2. Alicia Testarossa
3. Precia Testarossa
4. Countless innocent magic creatures!
5. Reinforce

And even though nothing has been said about it, I'm pretty sure Graham doesn't look like he's going to last long after A's...

Also, Yuuno is listed! ( I did say 'ANN' :) ... ) And yes I know the 'they're not always right/accurate' and all that jazz, but work with me here...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-10, 01:43

All those folk were either dead when they showed up, reincarned so they're not really gone, or NO BODY WAS EVER FOUND *cue thunder and lightning* MWUHAHAHA!

Kikaifan

2007-03-10, 02:18

Mentally challenged mini-clones are not reincarnation, sadly.

Nightengale

2007-03-10, 02:39

I'm pretty sure Graham doesn't look like he's going to last long after A's...

Lies. Graham = immortal. Even if not, he'll surely live past 200. :P

Goddamn. Why can't Graham look 20 at 60/70? Lindy's clearly around 40, yet she doesn't look a day over 30...and that's being harsh.

Even if he's going to die, he needs to pull a Urameshi/Toguro/Genkai with Hayate first.

Sadly that's never going to happen though....:(

LoweGear

2007-03-10, 03:21

Don't worry, with the Lieze twins at least he'll die happy :D

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-10, 05:02

@Dragnfly@Gamefaqs
Well dead is dead, that's why it's call a deathlist... :)

@Nightengale
I hate to break it to you buddy, but Graham is ONLY HUMAN, and thats how human ages... At least the ones from Earth :D... Midchildan(sp?) cheated somehow... Advance technology I guess.

@LoweGear
Which then begs the question, what's going to happen to them? Who would be willing to take in two young, lonely and attractive catgirls into their home...

...I know!

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano36.jpg

...How I envy...

Deathkillz

2007-03-10, 05:35

Mentally challenged mini-clones are not reincarnation, sadly.
that is harsh ~ just think of R2 as a chibi that needs to be babied into growing up :p but being as small as she is her ranking is high...haha chibi with a whip XD but im disappointed that she is still pocket sized ~ how she learns transforming magic soon ~
Don't worry, with the Lieze twins at least he'll die happy :D
lucky luck bastard >.<

Village Idiot

2007-03-10, 12:53

Lies. Graham = immortal. Even if not, he'll surely live past 200. :P

Goddamn. Why can't Graham look 20 at 60/70? Lindy's clearly around 40, yet she doesn't look a day over 30...and that's being harsh.

Even if he's going to die, he needs to pull a Urameshi/Toguro/Genkai with Hayate first.

Sadly that's never going to happen though....:(

Well, Lindy wasn't born on Earth, and there's a chance isn't "human" so her aging is probably different than a "human's".

I mean, look at Chrono, he looked like the same age as Nanoha when he's supposedly 14 @_@.

Either that, or Chrono's a runt.

Estavali

2007-03-10, 12:58

@LoweGear
Which then begs the question, what's going to happen to them? Who would be willing to take in two young, lonely and attractive catgirls into their home...

...I know!

Hmm, familiars require a living master connected to them in order to continue living. So when Graham kicks the bucket, the only way to keep the Lieze twins would mostly likely to be getting them a new master (Chrono perhaps?) to supply them with the "power" to exist.

Perhaps, sort of like, Shiki's "adoption" of Len in Kagetsu Tohya.

If things in Nanohaverse works relatively similar to the Laws of Type-Moon, that is.

I wonder how long Chrono will last though... :D

And come to think of it, I wouldn't (openly) call them young. Gil's around 70 at least, and the twins most likely were born during his 20s or 30s. That would make them around 40 at least...

LoweGear

2007-03-10, 13:13

Dunno... maybe the twins were made by Graham later in life, when he was beginning his transition to "Rich Lecherous Old Man" :D

Xellos-_^

2007-03-10, 15:44

Hmm, familiars require a living master connected to them in order to continue living. So when Graham kicks the bucket, the only way to keep the Lieze twins would mostly likely to be getting them a new master (Chrono perhaps?) to supply them with the "power" to exist.

Perhaps, sort of like, Shiki's "adoption" of Len in Kagetsu Tohya.

If things in Nanohaverse works relatively similar to the Laws of Type-Moon, that is.

I wonder how long Chrono will last though... :D

And come to think of it, I wouldn't (openly) call them young. Gil's around 70 at least, and the twins most likely were born during his 20s or 30s. That would make them around 40 at least...

Young is in the eye of the beholder. If they look young they are young.

As for the twins i think there are plenty of volunters to replensih them with magic the type-moon way :naughty: Without the dragon :uhoh:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-10, 19:59

I suppose I should have said 'physically young' :D

But as I've said, Mid-Childa probably have advance technology in THAT area... Or their biological clock to super slow...

Personally, I wouldn't be worry for Chrono, he had been 'trained' by them before to handle these kind of situations...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nanoss26.jpg

... He can handle any Type-moon class emergency!

Kikaifan

2007-03-10, 23:46

Speaking of the Lieze twins... I was recently browsing and found that Lieselotte is a German name equivalent to 'Elizabeth.' I can't find anything for Aria though.

Estavali

2007-03-11, 00:21

Dunno... maybe the twins were made by Graham later in life, when he was beginning his transition to "Rich Lecherous Old Man" :D

Hmm.... Gee, you're right. Makes sense to me :D .

Speaking of the Lieze twins... I was recently browsing and found that Lieselotte is a German name equivalent to 'Elizabeth.' I can't find anything for Aria though.

How about just Aria alone?

I got this from thinkbabynames.com:

The girl's name Aria \a-ria\ is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "lioness". Italian name. In music, an aria is a solo performed by the leading character in an opera.

This might make sense here, with the feline connection.

Kikaifan

2007-03-11, 01:56

I already know Lieze and Aria alone. I was just wondering if Aria also had a compound.

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-03-12, 05:57

i"m done watching both seasons of Nanoha and i"m ready for StrikerS!!!!
from the looks of it there are alot of new characters in the third season
and most likely the battles will be team based battles

well i"m very exciting with looking forward to StrikerS
i wish April would come more sooner:heh:

LoweGear

2007-03-12, 06:16

As is the rest of use here :D April can't come soon enough XD

Petco

2007-03-12, 09:57

Well as of the 1st 2 seasons of Nanoha, they are more light-hearted, so no deaths were seen. This new season, however, is going to be so much different from the 1st 2 seasons because we're talking about 10 years later and the storyline is probably gonna be deeper in depth than the 1st 2 seasons. A lot of things have changed, and I think this season is gonna be slightly more serious than the 1st 2 seasons, so deaths may probably be expected.

I thought season 1 and 2 were plenty serious and so were the story lines.

Though, deaths would obviously make StrikerS more serious/deep if the death was dramatic.

Midway through the StrikerS season:
*Suddenly, a large pole moves faster than the speed of light and pierces through Nanoha. The pole then explodes and blood is seen everywhere, though fortunately, Nanoha is still in one piece but she falls to the ground without screaming or anything*

Fate: Nano... ha...? NANOHA!!! NANOHA, NANOHA!!!!!

*Fate runs towards the impaled and seemingly dead Nanoha*

Fate: Nanoha... Speak to me, please.

Nanoha: .... Fate ... *Doesn't speak another word EVER AGAIN!!!!!*

*Dramatic, sad, shocking and chilling moment for viewers and characters alike*

Fate: Nanoha, no, I LOVE YOU NANOHA. NANOHA!!!!! WHO DID THIS? THEY'LL PAY FOR KILLNG NANOHA!

*Suddenly, super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy appears at the scene*

Super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: Ha. Fate, you think you can defeat me? I easily killed Nanoha, and I can easily kill you and everyone else. This universe is mine, soon, every universe in the multiverse will be mine and I will rule supreme!

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-12, 10:04

^
Ah, I see this long wait has already claim the sanity of several members of the fold...

Lol, kidding, kidding... Sort of.

But you got to admit, something's wrong with us if we're already trying to predict the deaths of our favorite characters...

...

...

...

I'm putting 10 cookies on Genya :D !

Deathkillz

2007-03-12, 13:35

imo non of the oldies will die ~ killing off main characters like nanoha, fate or hayate would be putting the series onto self destruct mode...tho theres nothing stopping them from from scaring us senseless if nanoha gets put into a coma :uhoh:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-12, 19:07

^
True, nobody's that brave enough to do it. Thats why we could narrow the list down to the new cast members. It is possible that it could be someone that they haven't introduce yet till the start of the series, but that may not left much of an impact... Well, depends on how they develop them I guess.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-12, 19:18

I thought season 1 and 2 were plenty serious and so were the story lines.

Though, deaths would obviously make StrikerS more serious/deep if the death was dramatic.

Midway through the StrikerS season:
*Suddenly, a large pole moves faster than the speed of light and pierces through Nanoha. The pole then explodes and blood is seen everywhere, though fortunately, Nanoha is still in one piece but she falls to the ground without screaming or anything*

Fate: Nano... ha...? NANOHA!!! NANOHA, NANOHA!!!!!

*Fate runs towards the impaled and seemingly dead Nanoha*

Fate: Nanoha... Speak to me, please.

Nanoha: .... Fate ... *Doesn't speak another word EVER AGAIN!!!!!*

*Dramatic, sad, shocking and chilling moment for viewers and characters alike*

Fate: Nanoha, no, I LOVE YOU NANOHA. NANOHA!!!!! WHO DID THIS? THEY'LL PAY FOR KILLNG NANOHA!

*Suddenly, super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy appears at the scene*

Super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: Ha. Fate, you think you can defeat me? I easily killed Nanoha, and I can easily kill you and everyone else. This universe is mine, soon, every universe in the multiverse will be mine and I will rule supreme!

I'll just call him Smup for short. Anyway, or you could have:

*Nanoha and Smup have been fighting for half the episode and both Nanoha and Raging Heart are in horrible shape. Just then, one of his long-range attacks slices Raging Heart in half*

Smup: "Without your little toy you will fall. But don't bother saying goodbye to your friends. They'll join you soon enough."

*Nanoha hugs the headpiece of RH*

Nanoha "Raging Heart... Be strong."

RH "I... Won't survive... My Master."

*Nanoha is shocked*

RH "Don't... cry... My Master. Use me."

Nanoha "Raging Heart... I... I can't..."

RH "Master... Use me... Call me..."

*Nanoha stiffles her tears and glares at Smup with the most pissed off look we've ever sene her have

Smup "And just what do you plan to do with only the crown of a staff?"

Nanoha "Raging Heart is giving me all of her power! It may just look like the crown, but I have more of her than ever before."

Smup "But it can't shoot. What can it do for you?"

Nanoha "This!"

*Nanoha throws RH like a knife, digging it into Smup's chest*

Nanoha "Raging Heart... Goodbye... And thankyou."

RH "Remember forever me my master."

Smup "Wha... What is this!?"

RH "Starlight Nova!"

*Raging Heart self-destructs, taking Smup and pretty much everything in a 50km radius (except for Nanoha) with it.*

See, not all character deaths have to be from people. Not that I want any character deaths. But if there are some, it'll have to be damn good.

CrossoverManiac

2007-03-13, 01:23

I thought season 1 and 2 were plenty serious and so were the story lines.

Though, deaths would obviously make StrikerS more serious/deep if the death was dramatic.

But if it's done in an American comic, Nanoha would be back ten issues later...with adamatium bones and laser eyebeams or something.

Midway through the StrikerS season:
*Suddenly, a large pole moves faster than the speed of light and pierces through Nanoha. The pole then explodes and blood is seen everywhere, though fortunately, Nanoha is still in one piece but she falls to the ground without screaming or anything*

If that javalin was traveling faster than the speed of light, then it should impale Nanoha before its even thrown.

Fate: Nano... ha...? NANOHA!!! NANOHA, NANOHA!!!!!

*Fate runs towards the impaled and seemingly dead Nanoha*

Fate: Nanoha... Speak to me, please.

Nanoha: .... Fate ... *Doesn't speak another word EVER AGAIN!!!!!*

Because she's mad at Fate for not warning her about the pole.

*Dramatic, sad, shocking and chilling moment for viewers and characters alike*

...except for the guy who throw it at her.

Fate: Nanoha, no, I LOVE YOU NANOHA. NANOHA!!!!! WHO DID THIS? THEY'LL PAY FOR KILLNG NANOHA!

Fate: $1499.99 plus tax for impalement. Though we have a special on disembowling: half off from the usual $1099.99. And if you pick decapitation, we'll let you skin Chronos alive for free.

*Suddenly, super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy appears at the scene*

super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: I got to get me a shorter name.

Super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: Ha. Fate, you think you can defeat me? I easily killed Nanoha, and I can easily kill you and everyone else. This universe is mine, soon, every universe in the multiverse will be mine and I will rule supreme!

Fate: But if you kills everyone, who the hell are you going to rule?

super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: I didn't think that far into my evil plan.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 01:42

^
Thats why you should take what fan though up off the top of their heads literally =P

But just for the fun of it...

But if it's done in an American comic, Nanoha would be back ten issues later...with adamatium bones and laser eyebeams or something.

Nanoha doesn't need physical upgrades, she just needs a more reckless attitude, a bigger supply of magic and a much bigger g- I mean, staff... Probably toss in some armor to look cool.

If that javalin was traveling faster than the speed of light, then it should impale Nanoha before its even thrown.

He said a pole, it could be any cylinder-shape projectile. It's most likely fired from some point, so it'll achieve light-speed after it's launch.

Because she's mad at Fate for not warning her about the pole.

No, she just doesn't want to cough blood onto her pretty face.

...except for the guy who throw it at her.

Not true, he (but most likely she) is shock that he/she could harm the famous Nanoha.

Fate: $1499.99 plus tax for impalement. Though we have a special on disembowling: half off from the usual $1099.99.

Fate: "The price of this sin shall be paid in blood!" No way Fate would settle for anything less badass.

super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: I got to get me a shorter name.

If only they learn to cut back on the redundancy.

Fate: But if you kills everyone, who the hell is are you going to rule?

super mega ultra powerful mega bad guy: I didn't think that far into my evil plan.

S.M.U.P mega bad guy/girl: I said 'CAN', I didn't mean that I 'WILL' !

...Ah, fun indeed...

Nightengale

2007-03-13, 02:12

I was wondering how long it would take before it derailed back to this again...Strangely, it lasted longer than I thought it would. :P

Seriously...character deaths are like the most overrated plot device ever. It's good when it conveys the neccesary message and emotion especially when a fan favourite who's well developed enough dies, but lame if potrayed for the OMG HE DIED!? OMG!?...which seems to be everyone's favourite nowadays.

All StrikerS needs is a bigger glass of epic melodrama.

Yuuno : TSAB destroyed the Sycra...You killed my family!!!!
Nanoha : I..I...
Vita : Nanoha!!!!!!!!!!!! (( hits Yuuno with her hammer...which he blocked ))
Yuuno : You bastard...die!!! Judgement Chain!!!!!!! (( stabs Vita ))
Nanoha : YOU!!!!!!
Yuuno : NANOHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nanoha : YUUNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may replace Yuuno with Dark Alicia/Acoss/Ginga, Nanoha with Fate/Hayate/Subaru and Vita with Arf/Rein/Tiana respectively, with the first line altered for plot convinience.

Seriously, as much as Yuuno's chances to shine in StrikerS is as much as seeing Chrono getting in on with Fate, I really hope Sycra's digging activities may cause some storyline holy shitness. I mean...Yuuno alone technically found the Jewel Seeds...the elder Sycras digging out an all-powerful Lost Logia doesn't seem farfetched.

LoweGear

2007-03-13, 02:19

Melikes that idea of the Scryas finding the other more powerful Lost Logias... hell, I can imagine some of them dealing with some underworld criminal organizations, selling the Lost Logias they found either for self perservation, desperation, necessity, or to further their own plans to find and catalogue more Lost Logia.

It might also allow for Yuuno's return in at least the 2nd half of StrikerS, having him deal with his wayward family.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 02:36

@LoweGear

I'm thinking they should make a movie about that, it's funny how they never brought up anything about his family...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/bangai07.jpg

...Ah.

@Nightengale

Yuuno : TSAB destroyed the Sycra...You killed my family!!!!
Nanoha : I..I...
Vita : Nanoha!!!!!!!!!!!! (( hits Yuuno with her hammer...which he blocked ))
Yuuno : You bastard...die!!! Judgement Chain!!!!!!! (( stabs Vita ))
Nanoha : YOU!!!!!!
Yuuno : NANOHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nanoha : YUUNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heheh, Awfully familiar... And I stress the Awfully part. :p

Seriously, as much as Yuuno's chances to shine in StrikerS is as much as seeing Chrono getting in on with Fate, I really hope Sycra's digging activities may cause some storyline holy shitness. I mean...Yuuno alone technically found the Jewel Seeds...the elder Sycras digging out an all-powerful Lost Logia doesn't seem farfetched.

I like those odds! Seriously, I'll take you up on that... And maybe the chance of Yuuno proposing to Nanoha is as much as the possibility of Graham still healthy and frisky with the twins...

... Right? :D

LoweGear

2007-03-13, 02:49

@ Chaos2Frozen: I certainly hope that we won't be seeing ferrets as the behind the scenes mastermind of the entire plot in StrikerS...

Wait a minute...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 02:54

@LoweGear

I don't suppose you watched Southpark? There's one episode where they revealed that a popular cartoon-

Family Guy!!!

-were written by manatees... O_O

So I wouldn't toss that idea aside just yet... Heh :D

Nightengale

2007-03-13, 03:10

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Cats_and_dogs_002.jpg/425px-Cats_and_dogs_002.jpg

:)

Seriously... I'd say Graham's chances of being healthy are pretty decent. He still looked quite okay without walking canes or wheelchairs, even if wrinkled at the end of A's, and a mere 4 years shouldn't cripple the old man to the grave. You know what they say about people becoming younger and younger as they become parents and grandparents. I'm no so sure he's a grandfather/father...I think, but you get the drift.

Graham can't die until he becomes the best man in Hayate's wedding. :)

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 03:21

Ah, but I said healthy AND frisky... So that would mean it's half the deal, Yuuno proposed, but Nanoha doesn't answer? :heh:

(And taking drugs to enhance doesn't count!)

As for best man, wouldn't Zafira be a better choice? How cute would it be seeing him in puppy mode leading her?

As for my end, maybe 'getting it on' would be too much to ask, but I'm not greedy (yet), and would settle for a similar 'diet-light' scenario...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-13, 05:09

I second Zaphira for best man at Hayate's wedding.

IchiKyo

2007-03-13, 06:45

I don't know if the question has been asked but
When Nanoha and Fate did exchange again their Ribbon?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 07:01

You mean black to Fate, pink to Nanoha again?

Were you looking for a specific time or a general one? If it's the latter, then it would be after A's, cause at the last episode Nanoha was still wearing Fate's black ribbon.

Jellyfish Marine

2007-03-13, 08:06

(Big explosion with Nanoha got caught in it)
Main Chars: NANOHA~!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!!!!!!

Then, at her funeral
Fate: Nanoha, you will be in our hearts, always and forever.
Hayate: Yes...Rest in peace my friend. This peace you sacrificed your life for...(sob), we...we will protect it!! The Universe will never fall to any darkness, you have our words!!
*everyone sobs*
(Yuuno looks up at the blue sky)
Yuuno: In the end, Nanoha, I never get to say *it*. But...you know? A part of me feels that...we will meet again, someday...

On a rural planet outside TSAB's administrative area.
(A little girl runs up to a wooden log)
Girl: Sensei! We're in trouble! An evil mage is destroying the town!
Nanoha: Don't worry, my dear student, coz' I'll shoot him into the orbit!
Girl: And he'll become my new friend, right?
(Nanoha smiles at her, thumb up)
Nanoha: Alright, let's go Raising Heart!!

(Credit rolls)

...A very stereotypical ending, indeed. OwO

panzerfan

2007-03-13, 08:42

No. What I rather picture is this...

Fate lifts her head. There is no tear on her face, but the signs of vitality and realism have seemingly been sucked dry from the swab of sorrow.

"She shouldn't have died that way, and should rather have it her own way."...
In a peace that has lasted over a generation after the past chaos of war, an elderly person, a once famed soldier sits, but few has seen her in action, and hasn't heard her boasting of her exploits. The young relatives give her 70% love and 30% indifference, as she live on on her retirement funds. A large rocking chair is placed in the living room, one which she sits on even as she reads, and quiet, just as she is a part of the chair, time comes to a standstill...

One day, the granddaughter who is playing outside, accidently tosses a ball into the living room. The dall rolls to the elderly's feet. In the past, the elder would always slowly bend her back, and picks the ball up for her, but this time around, as if she didn't hear her own granddaughter, she remains silent. The granddaughter heads to her direction, picks up the ball, and looks at her grandmother's face from below, and feels as if the grandmother's expression is trying to show something. "Grandma..." no answer, as the sunlight reflects on the sleeping, sinking face. The granddaughter picks up the ball, and heads to the dining room to announce that "mom, dad! grandma's acting strange!" The voice projects itself afar, yet the elder still sits in her chair. The eternal silence overwhelms the elder's face slowly, like the ocean tide...

Fate thinks that, perhaps this form of death is more suitable for her! Perhaps if Lindy-san sees her there, she would also be in tears too. Having left things behind to her as well, and yet within no more than half a year, she follows suit... Fate's tongue and lips stop moving. Fate holds her last constraints tightly, and says quietly: " Suzuka! Please! Let me be for now. After I've calm myself, I will take a look at her...

The death of one woman brings despair to those on her side, and brings disappointment to her foes...

Vita's pristine skins, has suddenly stiffened, as the veins underneath the skins turn into the pathways to release that burning sensation in her heart. She feels a sense of indignation. That sense of the person that she has constantly fight with and against, that she hope to continue on with battles of wit and stamina, and to understand even better through outings, has suddenly vanished. Does one really have to endure such unreasonable things? That boiling rage unintentionally changes into screams as it rushs out of of her body.

"That person as well, she as well, enemies, friends, everyone is the same, leaving me all alone just like that! Why couldn't they live with me!"

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 08:50

Guys... There're such a curse as self-fulfilling prophecy and Murphy's Law...

... Can't we have something happy for once? (Refering to this thread, not to the series...)

Oh btw Jellyfish Marine? That so reminded me of Fulmetal Alchemist that sent chills down my spine...

Skane

2007-03-13, 09:00

Edit by Moderator: This thread is now officially devoted to fan anticipation of Nanoha StrikerS. This thread has become incredibly long without actually containing anything of substance other than fan anticipation, hopes and rumors. Most of what it contains will have a rather confusing effect on future readers since it is likely to contradict the actual show. To improve our focus, once the series actually starts, this thread will be closed so that a new (and hopefully topical) thread can be created for general discussion of the show.
I was wondering why the title of this thread changed. :heh:

Heh.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 09:12

I personally think they should just call it 'Generic Discussion', just like all the other 'popular' threads...

Nightengale

2007-03-13, 09:24

Well, this one is a little bit special after all.

Generally, most generic discussions are pretty linear from release of official material to speculations based on that little amount of material before materials get released again soon and the thread returns back to talking about what's shown.

It wouldn't be so bad if say, other anime magazines has StrikerS informations as well, but Megami seems intent on monopolizing those.

Though...considering that StrikerS isn't even aired, it is a little farfetched to be having the techs or speculations threads like the Gundam or Code Geass, but naturally being the 3rd season of an anime that is popular for more ways than one (( aka...just like how there's like 30000 fujoshi fansites for AthrunxKira)), it's natural that a sheer amount of...fan-conjured stuff pops up...a lot of times in a while. If this was a rabid-infested 2ch or even livejournal, we'd be having 10 times the amount of post...where'd we'd be speculating about a Raising Heart x Bardiche x Rein threesome in StrikerS, or there'd be 20 pages of fangirls orgasming over Chrono x Acoss by now.

Look at the last few post for example. It's above discussing about StrikerS, more like...what we want StrikerS to have...in it's entirety. I'd swear, there's enough non-canon fan-conjured material in this entire thread to make an entire anime on it's own. Maybe even 2.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 09:32

If this was a rabid-infested 2ch or even livejournal, we'd be having 10 times the amount of post...where'd we'd be speculating about a Raising Heart x Bardiche x Rein threesome in StrikerS, or there'd be 20 pages of fangirls orgasming over Chrono x Acoss by now.

Ouch...My eyes... Getting evil images here... But thankfully since the number of their fans don't seem to be that much...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-13, 19:14

I was wondering why the title of this thread changed. :heh:

Heh.

I wondered that too as "generic discussion" is far closer to what this thread actually contains. 99.9% of it is all Nanoha related so it's not off-topic in that respect. But calling it Fan Anticipation still makes well over half the thread off-topic.

guest

2007-03-13, 19:31

Graham can't die until he becomes the best man in Hayate's wedding. :)
........

Hayate's boyfriend (just met three weeks ago): Here is a birthday gift for my girl!

Hayate (tears of joy, a little): This is beautiful..... Awww.....

The Knights: (How dare he made our mistress cried!)

That guy disappears on the next day. This could happen to ANY occasion.

Hayate's wedding.... -_- With this rate, is that even possible?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 20:11

........

Hayate (tears of joy, a little): This is beautiful..... Awww.....

The Knights: (How dare he made our mistress cried!)

Now WHERE have I seen that before?! I swear I remember watching something like that...!

Argh, it's killing me...

EDIT: OHH!! I RECALL IT NOW!! 'xxxHolic' !!

And to answer your question, the only way is for the (un)lucky guy to tough it out... Hence all eyes are on Acoss, who is suppose to be another Ace... (Either that or bribery)

guest

2007-03-13, 20:37

Now WHERE have I seen that before?! I swear I remember watching something like that...!

Argh, it's killing me...

EDIT: OHH!! I RECALL IT NOW!! 'xxxHolic' !!

And to answer your question, the only way is for the (un)lucky guy to tough it out... Hence all eyes are on Acoss, who is suppose to be another Ace... (Either that or bribery)
Heard of xxxHolic, never watch it, not interested. (It is such a common scene anyway.)

With that senario, Acoss would be for Hayate, Nanoha and Fate. Too much competition. That is still not going to work. :P

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-13, 21:10

Heard of xxxHolic, never watch it, not interested. (It is such a common scene anyway.)

Maybe to you, but it's the most recent one I've seen that represented it in such a way that you've described :) .

With that senario, Acoss would be for Hayate, Nanoha and Fate. Too much competition. That is still not going to work. :P

The reason why I said Acoss is because in the 3rd chapter of A's to StrikerS, there had been some hints at a 'close' relationship between those two.

(Which lead to a certain someone here brainstorming for different ideas of assassination :heh: ...)

Nanoha's only choice (I'll settle for nothing else but straight ) is pretty certain since season 1... Season 2 if you're fussy...

Fate... I don't wanna say it... I might jinx myself :D

LoweGear

2007-03-14, 00:23

Anyone care to translate this?

http://nanoha.com/onair/onair1.html

Need to know what those dates and times are for.

Village Idiot

2007-03-14, 01:33

The station airing it first will be on April 1st I believe.

Can't read the kanji telling what the name of the station will be though.

Nightengale

2007-03-14, 01:50

With that senario, Acoss would be for Hayate, Nanoha and Fate. Too much competition. That is still not going to work. :P

I'm not so sure if I should thank you for giving me one of my sweetest nightmares ever last night.

I literally dreamt the whole Raoh Arc of Hokuto no Ken last night, with Nanoha characters...Hayate as Kenshiro, Fate as Toki, and Nanoha as Raoh. And yes...Acoss was Yuria, the guy of their dreams. Suzuka was Shin...and Arisa was Jyagi. Yes, now you know why it was a goddamn nightmare.

Best part of my dream :

Ever since you were a child, you took care of him like an elder sister. You played with him, you raised him...and that little child slowly became a dashing adult.

Karim : Why, Father? Why can't I?
Father : Even if you love Acoss with all your heart, you cannot have him.
Karim : Why...?
Father : Because he is your brother!
Karim : My...brother...*falls down to her knees*

And you know what came later, an epic battle between Karim and Nanoha. :3

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-14, 02:20

'Sweetest Nightmares'? How does that mixture work? :heh::confused: :heh:

But funny you should mention anime dreams. I never had one in a VERY very long time... But it did happen to me last night...

... Not about Nanoha though:heh:

I can't remeber the exact details though, what I do remember is

1, Lelouch, Yuffie and C.C.
2, The scenario was grey (as in the colour:rolleyes:, literally)
3, It was raining and something happened that had cause an emotional break down for the two girls (yes, BOTH)

...Creepy.

NoSanninWa

2007-03-14, 03:59

And some people actually wonder why I was implying that this thread has little to do with StrikerS even though it is about the anticipation of strikers. :heh:

Thank you for that wonderful case in point. Lots of anticipation, but nothing about StrikerS.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-14, 04:17

Well we GOT to do something in the mean time... :heh:

There's only so much speculating to be done base on the A's to StrikerS manga and the official image scans. They haven't been releasing any new information for awhile now, even though it's about to be aired in less than three weeks from now.

Also, you can't say that there's nothing about StrikerS here, there're plenty of stuff if anyone's brave enough to go through 123 pages of this... :heh:

IchiKyo

2007-03-14, 14:51

The station airing it first will be on April 1st I believe.

Can't read the kanji telling what the name of the station will be though.

No it's will be aired on the 1st April^^
It's not an april fools or Folks (don't know how american and english pronounce or call this.. We Call this "Poisson d'avril" in French...
Anyway, the TV Wakayama will be the First who will aired Nanoha StrikerS :)

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-03-14, 15:11

anyone got an idea on what the main plot in StrikerS will be??
i've got the march issue of Megami and i have seen the manga chapter for StikerS....cant really tell (my japanese ain't that good) but it looks like nothing much is happening...except for Fate and Chrono being out of the scene to investigate something...

but man is 10 years a big jump in this series...they were just 9 years old when the whole series just started....heh:heh:

and did Fate adopt two kids or is she just looking after those two?? because in her section on the march issue of Megami, it says on the top right corner "family".....

IchiKyo

2007-03-14, 15:16

I was just thinking about the Stars Squad and the Lightning Squad
Nanoha and Fate Each Team Squad?

NoSanninWa

2007-03-14, 16:33

No it's will be aired on the 1st April^^
It's not an april fools or Folks (don't know how american and english pronounce or call this.. We Call this "Poisson d'avril" in French...
Huh? Fish of April? I have no idea what that could mean in English. We'd just say it is not an April Fool's joke or prank.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Folks" either...

Deathkillz

2007-03-14, 17:00

anyone got an idea on what the main plot in StrikerS will be??

from what i can gather the general plot will be to develop the new rising stars within the TSAB and it should be the usual "hidden villain who attacks from the shadows" kinda thing ~ hmm i wonder if the drones from the A's to strikerS manga will show up O.o

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-14, 18:33

In Quebec they have Poisson d'avril also but yeah, April Fools is the exact same thing.

We also don't know exactly how much time will be between the StrikerS manga and anime. Whn it comes to character development, months matter.

And to whoever asked, yeah. Fate just takes care of Elio and Carol is in her squad. Officially Lindy adopted Elio but Fate's the one who really takes care of him. There's a Q&A thread now, incase you have any more questions. Tho I might suggest waiting on it until at least ep1 comes out incase some situation with that or any of your other StrikerS questions change.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-14, 18:47

Somehow, it feels like we're being forced into this conversion by an unseen evil...

But I'll play.

It's almost certain that the drones would pop up, maybe even throughout the show as the foot soldiers of whatever Organization. If that's the case, we might be able to see newer models of machines along the way.

About the characters, if there's one thing I know, is that in anime when someone close to that character dies, it's going to haunt them throughout the show, one way or another. So there are probably going to be angst in that form for Subaru and Tiana.

But as I said in the image thread, I hope nobody gets shafted, new or old... But nobody really use get more publicity than needed.... But seriously, a pilot?

Oh also, since it's twice the length, I'm thinking it's possible that we're getting two arcs as well.

As for who the inital villian's gonna be... My guess is another cute, magically talented, desperate girl with a 'reason that she cannot fail'. That is a puppet of course.

Of course, since this season is about the TSAB, let them break out the big toys!

Danny_river

2007-03-15, 18:46

Shinji103

2007-03-15, 18:46

Ihope noone flames me for this, but i find this whole show overratted and over-the-top.

It boarderlines DBZ beam battles and the stopy plots are just very weak and redundant.*lights a molotov cocktail*

Deathkillz

2007-03-15, 18:53

Ihope noone flames me for this, but i find this whole show overratted and over-the-top.

It boarderlines DBZ beam battles and the story plots are just very weak and redundant. I just find it rediculous.
you sir has just thrown yourself into a bunch of rabid fanboys/girls who are absolutly in love with this series...not a smart move :eyebrow:

if you are willing to write more about why you think its "crap" (godforbid i used that word) then i might consider in putting my shotgun away :rolleyes:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 19:04

HAHAHAHAHAAAA....!!!

You SERIOUSLY thought nobody's going to flame you?! HAHAHAHAAAA...!!!

But no matter, if you're here to stir up trouble, we won't waste the 'Eternal Blaze' on you... Heh.

Remember, choose a place to start a war when you have friends backing you up, or else you'll be VERY very alone in the big wide world...

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-15, 19:22

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 19:28

But it's been a boring few weeks! We need alittle entertainment in our lives! What better way to get us fired up than a little flame war! The sheep practically walked itself into the lion's den!

(...Kidding, but funny if you think about it...!)

Serenity85

2007-03-15, 20:18

now now lets not degrade ourselves. I've seen what happens when ppl start flaming eachother on other forums. not a pretty sight^^

Back on topic^^- only 2 and half more weaks or so till we should be seeing the first ep^^ I really hope it starts well^^ and gets into the action right away like A's (by far the best season of the two so far^^)

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 20:54

Demon Eyes

2007-03-15, 22:13

Where is the promo already.

Me want promo pronto.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 22:27

I don't think there's going to be any promos... :(

Demon Eyes

2007-03-15, 23:01

I don't think there's going to be any promos... :(

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

NoSanninWa

2007-03-15, 23:10

Well... it isn't as though they need a promo to excite the fans. If the fans were any more excited they'd explode from excessive molecular motion.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 23:17

True:heh: , but we still wanna see a trailer! :upset: :upset: :upset:

It'll give us something to talk about, and we can guess from the scenes what kind of plot is going to take place...

LoweGear

2007-03-15, 23:26

And of course, trailers provide us a way to guage the quality of the animation ( as well as to see the new characters in action for the first time XD). Guess we'll have to wait until it actually airs.

NoSanninWa

2007-03-15, 23:31

True:heh: , but we still wanna see a trailer! :upset: :upset: :upset:

It'll give us something to talk about, and we can guess from the scenes what kind of plot is going to take place...

Yeah, trailers are good for that, but I'm a bit worried about people exploding due to increased excitment. It could be bad. Half the fanbase would be wiped out by a decent trailer and then there wouldn't be many people left to enjoy the show.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-15, 23:37

We're more or less dying from the withdrawal symptoms :heh:

LoweGear

2007-03-15, 23:54

Yeah, trailers are good for that, but I'm a bit worried about people exploding due to increased excitment. It could be bad. Half the fanbase would be wiped out by a decent trailer and then there wouldn't be many people left to enjoy the show.

Wiped out by a decent trailer? If the trailer is good, it'll attract a significant amount of interest from those who see it, most likely increasing the number of people awaiting the show. Of course, trailer or no trailer, we the rabid fans will nonetheless continue to wait with unbridled anticipation :D :D :D

EadTaes

2007-03-16, 00:13

Trailer migth kill some, so are withdrawal symptoms, and since their not little kids anymore it might attrack even more people, since alot of people are annoyed most ofve the time that their almost always little kids. It seem to be the biggest single hurt to so called Magical Girl animes.

Demon Eyes

2007-03-16, 00:41

BAH!

Nothing would make me dis Nanoha as the Ultimate Mahou Shoujo.

Nanoha got from what, 8? to Milf and even though I haven't seen anything of the third series, I've never anticipated anything so much in my life.

Even if they do a fourth series when they are in their 30s, I will still squeal like a complete crazy Fanboy.

So, we need a Trailer, There is no way Anyone would die before the see the actual thing.

I would get a Computer in my Hospital bed.

There has just got to be a Trailer somewhere...

...*Goes on a hunt in the JPN sites.*

EadTaes

2007-03-16, 00:46

Well good luck. If you do find somehting be sure to share it with us.

NoSanninWa

2007-03-16, 03:02

If the trailer is good, it'll attract a significant amount of interest from those who see it, most likely increasing the number of people awaiting the show.Nonsense. At this point everyone is either eager to see the new Nanoha series or else doesn't care at all regardless of how great the trailer is. Realize that this is the 3rd series of Nanoha. That's two series worth of people who are fans and people who already hate it. She's already got all the market saturation she needs for almost every potential fan to have heard of her. While there are potential fans who are too new to have seen the first two series, games, et al... those fans are still aware of MGLN because of the magazine covers and incredibly loud word of mouth, so many of them already have an opinion.

A good trailer might increase fan interest in Nanoha by 5% at most.

Hey, sure I'd enjoy the heck out of watching a good trailer. But she really doesn't need it to advertise.

Nothing would make me dis Nanoha as the Ultimate Mahou Shoujo.

Nanoha got from what, 8? to Milf and even though I haven't seen anything of the third series, I've never anticipated anything so much in my life.

Even if they do a fourth series when they are in their 30s, I will still squeal like a complete crazy Fanboy.That is eactly my point! There's no need for a trailer at all to whip that fan into a frenzy.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

2007-03-16, 06:32

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-03-16, 06:36

Like many others, I've been waiting since Dec of 2005 for a 3rd season. But Nanoha teaches us that patience is indeed a virtue and good things do come to those who can be patient. Not to overexcite yourself and that new joys can only be delivered through patience and determination.

Well, I know that if I had a charged Divine Buster with my enemy in my sights, I'd want to fire it right away. But she waits for the best possible time. She waits for the enemy to react.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we've waited this long, two more weeks, while painful, is worth enduring such pain.

And that said, I'm kind of glad there's no trailer because that would only make me suffer more, and it would cut down on the amount of episode 1 that's new.

yea that is true!!
most teaser trailers or promo videos for most animes almost spoils the whole first episode
so i guess its best we dont get a trailer for StrikerS
otherwise it would be kinda obvious who the new enemy is
and speaking of the new enemy
i seen the first chapter of StrikerS the manga in the monthly Megami and those robot thingies sure do look suspicious!!
wonder who they belong to

and by the way Dragonfly@Gamefaqs you have a nice sig of dark nanoha
its one of the reasons why i actually started watching nanoha because of your sig
too bad theres no dark nanoha
i was really expecting her to show up in A"s but didn"t happen:( :D

IchiKyo

2007-03-16, 07:03

Like many others, I've been waiting since August of 2005 for a 3rd season. (Yeah, The New Type Announce)
But i think that Nanoha don't need a trailer (even if i'm impatient for it)
Maybe without seeing something of StrikerS (except the Manga Chapter)
It's will be more interesting, create more impact during the 1st Episode
Since the Episode may introduce a little or not those New Character

I Want a Stardust Fall :D of Nanoha or an Misteltein from Hayate
I want to hear Reinforce II, etc

But yeah, but guy! Still 2 Weeks until it's begins :D

IchiKyo

2007-03-16, 07:04

Double post, sorry
Delete this please

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-16, 10:43

haha... I never get tired of people falling for the whole dark Nanoha thingy :D

But as I've posted a page or two ago, the inital enemy would most likely be another young, cute, sad, and magically talented girl who is desperate with a 'reason that she cannot fail' ...

I would say the new episode would begin with her leading a lost logia theft... But that'll sound too gundam-ish :heh:

EDIT: We got 2 more weeks, might as well delude ourselves while we still can... Before anything becomes official :heh:

Kikaifan

2007-03-16, 12:03

Yeah no better way to start than with a bang!

But how should it happen? Do we have a terrorist attack? Or maybe a smuggling bust? How about an assassination attempt? Perharps something more likely, trying to steal lost logias from the Bureau's vault?

I think the sealing of Lost Logia implies their destruction. Chrono was acting like it was a huge flaw that Graham's YnS plan was reversible so I doubt it's SOP for them to just hide them somewhere.

Deathkillz

2007-03-16, 13:17

^ imo the lost logia could have been thought of as being destroyed but in fact a "mole" could have actually been hording them...

That is eactly my point! There's no need for a trailer at all to whip that fan into a frenzy.
precia has that in the bag already :heh:

Danny_river

2007-03-16, 15:45

Please let us know exactly what the problems are. Where was the plot weak and how does the battle intensity

It's also important that you tell us how much you've seen. If you're basing it off the first 3 eps of s1, then yeah, I can see how you came to that conclusion.

This can be a civilized conversation. I've seen them happen before. And I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and not just assume that you're Dupe Account Troll #5679.

To everyone else - if it turns out that this us Dupe Account Troll #5679, I strongly suggest ignoring them instead of flaming them. It always works way better and shows you to be the better person. If it weren't for ignoring, I'd have been in at least 3 flame wars in the past two months or so on this very board.

Ok i wil explain.

1. The story plot is just the basic "Bad guy wants power, Good guy must fight to protect that power or destory it before bad guy gets to it" plot. Sailor Moon and just aobut every other magic girl anime is based off this over used plot. while Sailor Moon was good at what it did wiht this kind of plot, Nanoha was just same old same old. Card Captor Sakura and Puni Puni Poemi at least had some origanlity to the whole magical girl princible.

2. The battle sequinces were just rediculously over-the-top. It was like Cardcaptor Sakura meet DBZ (With a little Gundam Seed). NOTE: Magic wings from the shoes that allowed her to fly/jump high (cardcaptor Sakura rip off). And Wands that have the beam blasts that can cause a mile wide beam blasts (just like DBZ). Not to mention that once they transform they are given superhuman abilites far byond normal. Some strength inhansment and magic spell casting i can understand, this their's was too much.

3. The characters were just so unbeleiveable. (I know Im going to be blasted for this one) Most notablely Fate. No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on! :uhoh: Nanoha is 9 and 10 throught he 2 seasons so far. There's noway any child her age to understand such grown up concepts as she showed. Right from Wrong she would be able to undterstand, i get that; but what she showed was just rediculous.

4. Transformations. I mean seriously do we NEED to see more loli nudity? And they were seriously over-the-top with the wand swinging and uniform formation. and it takes forever for them to transform. And bad guy in his/her right mond would have killed them before they were even half way through. I actually timed this wiht the Sailor Moon transformations and Nonoha and Fate's were almost 10 seconds longer!

I'll put up more reason later. Also please don't think im Flaming the whole show. It had it's good points which i will list later.

Deathkillz

2007-03-16, 16:38

Ok i wil explain.

1. The story plot is just the basic "Bad guy wants power, Good guy must fight to protect that power or destory it before bad guy gets to it" plot. Sailor Moon and just aobut every other magic girl anime is based off this over used plot. while Sailor Moon was good at what it did wiht this kind of plot, Nanoha was just same old same old. Card Captor Sakura and Puni Puni Poemi at least had some origanlity to the whole magical girl princible.

2. The battle sequinces were just rediculously over-the-top. It was like Cardcaptor Sakura meet DBZ (With a little Gundam Seed). NOTE: Magic wings from the shoes that allowed her to fly/jump high (cardcaptor Sakura rip off). And Wands that have the beam blasts that can cause a mile wide beam blasts (just like DBZ). Not to mention that once they transform they are given superhuman abilites far byond normal. Some strength inhansment and magic spell casting i can understand, this their's was too much.

3. The characters were just so unbeleiveable. (I know Im going to be blasted for this one) Most notablely Fate. No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on! :uhoh: Nanoha is 9 and 10 throught he 2 seasons so far. There's noway any child her age to understand such grown up concepts as she showed. Right from Wrong she would be able to undterstand, i get that; but what she showed was just rediculous.

4. Transformations. I mean seriously do we NEED to see more loli nudity? And they were seriously over-the-top with the wand swinging and uniform formation. and it takes forever for them to transform. And bad guy in his/her right mond would have killed them before they were even half way through. I actually timed this wiht the Sailor Moon transformations and Nonoha and Fate's were almost 10 seconds longer!

I'll put up more reason later. Also please don't think im Flaming the whole show. It had it's good points which i will list later.
1) what are you gonna expect? the title says it "mahou shoujo" meaning that its most likely a plot with a distinct good and evil presence ~ and if you say that sailor moon is better than this...im gonna pull the trigger on my shotgun...sailor moon failed so hard with a heroine that cant even stop crying every 2 seconds...not sure what you ment by same old same old...but nanoha had variety for being a short series imo...

2) you must have never heard of child prodigy or just generally being naturally talented...fate's and nanoha's powers were abnormal for their age which is a point that has to be brought up to show that they are stronger than the run of the mill mage...and i dont see anything over the top...its not like they are able to blow up planets...

3) in sutuations like this they were forced to become more mature...its either "think quick or die" cause both of them ment business...i see nothing wrong with character development and they sure to know their rights from their wrongs...so much so they understand the meaning of life itself :heh: basically they were thrown into a situation where they needed to act in non childish way...

and oh my god plz tell me you just didnt diss fate chan...you must not have understood the feeling of wanting to be "accepted" then...she was brought up believing that she needed to earn her mother's love and nothing else...

4) and i cant believe that you are complaining about the transform sequences...iirc they were only there for the first few eps...and not even worth taking into account as a failure...besides...lolis FTW!

Demon Eyes

2007-03-16, 17:06

Upon my search for a trailer, my Fate-sense was tingling and I was wondering why! Maybe someone found it already- I thought, so I cam back and I find this??!!!

Ok i wil explain.

1. The story plot is just the basic "Bad guy wants power, Good guy must fight to protect that power or destory it before bad guy gets to it" plot. Sailor Moon and just aobut every other magic girl anime is based off this over used plot. while Sailor Moon was good at what it did wiht this kind of plot, Nanoha was just same old same old. Card Captor Sakura and Puni Puni Poemi at least had some origanlity to the whole magical girl princible.

You failed the moment you put any other Mahou shoujo esp.SailorMoon ahead of Nanoha. I won't even correct you on this. You must have found your faults already. Did you even watch all of Sailor Moon? I did and there is no way they are similar or Moon better than Nanoha. Jesus Christ!!!

2. The battle sequinces were just rediculously over-the-top. It was like Cardcaptor Sakura meet DBZ (With a little Gundam Seed). NOTE: Magic wings from the shoes that allowed her to fly/jump high (cardcaptor Sakura rip off). And Wands that have the beam blasts that can cause a mile wide beam blasts (just like DBZ). Not to mention that once they transform they are given superhuman abilites far byond normal. Some strength inhansment and magic spell casting i can understand, this their's was too much.

Yeah, and every other anime is a reap off another anime. God! Can you tell me a series you've watched that doesn't resemble another in any way?! Even if what you say is all so and so, it is a good thing for Nanoha took the bits and made them infinitely more "kewl". I only watched two ep of everything Gundam, hundreds of DBZ(That felt like I just watched one ep of Nanoha)

3. The characters were just so unbeleiveable. (I know Im going to be blasted for this one) Most notablely Fate. No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on! :uhoh: Nanoha is 9 and 10 throught he 2 seasons so far. There's noway any child her age to understand such grown up concepts as she showed. Right from Wrong she would be able to undterstand, i get that; but what she showed was just rediculous.

First, this is ANIME. Second, Fate was CREATED so she might have had a few flows in the way of understanding love. Third, which world do you live in? My parents used to hit me when I was young and screwed up. I love them to bits. True, Fate's faults were not of her own control but remember, in her mother's eyes, Fate was nothing but replacement whereas in Fate's eyes, her mother was everything to her, that is until she met Nanoha... Ever heard of "A mother is God in the eyes of a child"?

4. Transformations. I mean seriously do we NEED to see more loli nudity? And they were seriously over-the-top with the wand swinging and uniform formation. and it takes forever for them to transform. And bad guy in his/her right mond would have killed them before they were even half way through. I actually timed this wiht the Sailor Moon transformations and Nanoha and Fate's were almost 10 seconds longer!

Please tell me a transformation where you *blink* casual *blink* suited. Please? Are you even a true anime fan? These transformation sequences are made to take place in a different dimension where time is a little different hence the difference in the surrounding's when they occur otherwise, you would see background characters when they happen. To us viewers, the animators want us to know what goes on exactly but to the villains in the anime, the either don't have time to blink or go "Mabushi" and it is already over. Transform-Sequences are for us viewers, that goes for the nudity, when changing, it is a law that clothes have to come off for others to get on. And it's not like we are being shown nips, Has anyone seen any nips? Not me.

I'll put up more reason later. Also please don't think im Flaming the whole show. It had it's good points which i will list later.

It's alright to put forward your doubts, I understand. But please don't, I say this for your own safety. Fate-chan and Nanoha may be harsher...

EadTaes

2007-03-16, 17:44

Ok i wil explain.

1. The story plot is just the basic "Bad guy wants power, Good guy must fight to protect that power or destory it before bad guy gets to it" plot. Sailor Moon and just aobut every other magic girl anime is based off this over used plot. while Sailor Moon was good at what it did wiht this kind of plot, Nanoha was just same old same old. Card Captor Sakura and Puni Puni Poemi at least had some origanlity to the whole magical girl princible.

2. The battle sequinces were just rediculously over-the-top. It was like Cardcaptor Sakura meet DBZ (With a little Gundam Seed). NOTE: Magic wings from the shoes that allowed her to fly/jump high (cardcaptor Sakura rip off). And Wands that have the beam blasts that can cause a mile wide beam blasts (just like DBZ). Not to mention that once they transform they are given superhuman abilites far byond normal. Some strength inhansment and magic spell casting i can understand, this their's was too much.

3. The characters were just so unbeleiveable. (I know Im going to be blasted for this one) Most notablely Fate. No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on! :uhoh: Nanoha is 9 and 10 throught he 2 seasons so far. There's noway any child her age to understand such grown up concepts as she showed. Right from Wrong she would be able to undterstand, i get that; but what she showed was just rediculous.

4. Transformations. I mean seriously do we NEED to see more loli nudity? And they were seriously over-the-top with the wand swinging and uniform formation. and it takes forever for them to transform. And bad guy in his/her right mond would have killed them before they were even half way through. I actually timed this wiht the Sailor Moon transformations and Nonoha and Fate's were almost 10 seconds longer!

I'll put up more reason later. Also please don't think im Flaming the whole show. It had it's good points which i will list later.

Sorry I to am gonna have to bash your reply because it is just so wrong.

1) If your gonna put Sailor Moon a head ofve Nanoha then i wonder on what criteria you judge anime. I was 12 when i started watching SM and by the time i was 13 SM had sunk into the suck bucket as deep as possible. And one is to expect that all animes will resemble each other. Why because so many series are created over and over. That every single possible new way ofve making a series eventuly gets covered and all thats left is to remake similer stories were you change what you can but teh basic plots their isnt much you can do to change them.

2) Personaly I make Nanoha a cross between: (in order) Card Captor Sakura, Bleach and Fullmetal Alchemist. And once again how many way are there to exploit such a plot with "magical" attakes. At least in here their was a bit ofve change. Nanoha in a few ocasion have to control their attakes in order for them to hit their targets and that required concentration on their part. IT wasnt something you just thougth ofve and it did it on its own like say DBZ.

3) the character were fun. But i do understand what you mean. And i have to say that if fate would have lived under "normal" circumstance she probably would have turned on her motehr for whipping her. But her conditions weren't "normal" so like someone else above me mentioned Fate was doing everythign she could to be accepted by her mther. I certainly would have wished for more character developpment on fate side to justyfy this some more. But it might have been quite complicated to do so. So just accpt it as it is and dealing with it will be easier.

4) Like someone else mentioned teh transformation scene are only for use. Their only to add to the glamor in the weivers eyes. And one can be sure that it doesnt take them 20 seconds to transform. We se that in some eps later were their transformation happens in about lest then a second. But yeah teh swiging of the staff is kinda over the top, showing of for nothign in my opinion. About teh loli nude thing, I don't realy mind it the don't "actuly show "it" or them "them" ect and i don't mind it aither as long as they don't abuse ofve it. Wich they didn't sicne they only show it in teh first few eps. If they would be showing it every single time they transformed then i would indeed complain along with you.

Ever heard of "A mother is God in the eyes of a child"?
Hmm were does that quote come from again. I know i watched the anime it come from recently but i don't remember were. Care to tell me?

relentlessflame

2007-03-16, 17:50

No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on! :uhoh:Won't comment on the rest, but for this one I can absolutely assure you that this isn't as uncommon or far-fetched as you think, especially in certain cultures. Even if it's exaggerated in the anime more than your average cases, the concept and message behind it would absolutely resonate clearly with a large portion of the audience. Yes, some real-life children have had their idea of parental love warped to that extent. So it'd be nice to think that "that's so fake", "no one would believe that", and so on... but, sadly, it's far more common than you think. Some of the things that some of my friends consider normal parenting (based on the pattern set by their parents) makes me feel absolutely sick. So I only wish you were right in this case.

Kikaifan

2007-03-16, 18:09

I'm interested in what anime you do enjoy, mister River, seeing as many of your grievances are easily generalized to the fantasy genre, and perhaps the medium as a whole.

1. Wait... protagonists, antagonists, and a plot device to draw them into conflict? I agree, that's totally unacceptable. Those elements are overused and should be avoided at all costs!

Seriously though, the plot is just a vehicle for Nanoha Befriending Fate, Shounen-Style. It isn't supposed to grip you, just provide some context for events. IMO if you don't like Fate, there isn't a point to watching the first season, because her character development is all you really get.

2. I agreed with everything you said until you got to the part about it being a bad thing.

At least they only had one beam-o-war...

3. You're wrong about Fate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome).

4. Yeah, transformation sequences are a waste of time. Fortunately in A's there are only 4, and the one at the end actually had good dramatic effect.

Shinji103

2007-03-16, 18:52

Pretty much everything I have to say has been said, but I also say River fell into failure the moment he tried to compare Nanoha to DBZ.

Loner

2007-03-16, 19:26

You know, I've been taking a closer look at those machine weapons in the StrikerS manga, and I finally realized... We've seen these weapons before - there's only ONE person who could be sending them!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/75/300px-Azaka_&_Kamidake_(Guardians_&_Knights).jpg

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/dolls/aeka.jpg

:innocent:

Demon Eyes

2007-03-16, 19:31

Hmm were does that quote come from again. I know i watched the anime it come from recently but i don't remember were. Care to tell me?

It is something related to:

1. Mary Magdalene.

2. Jesus' thoughts upon seeing her face when he was being transfered for sacrificing.

3. Mothers' Day prayer.

It's mostly No.2

You can find it in the bible in the stated instances.

Duo Maxwell

2007-03-16, 19:45

It's too late for me to add any more comment :p. Unless River doesn't try to understand, I guess it should be enough for a normal person.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-16, 19:49

Wow, I left this for one night, and everybody's so full of energy! :) Let me in on the action!

Don't worry, unlike the fellow members of the fold, I like to keep things simple, so I'm only going to tackle the essence of each of your statements.

Bad guy wants power, Good guy must fight to protect that power or destory it before bad guy gets to it" plot

Nice of you to over-simplify that for us :). However, please realize that by the arrival of Fate, the story's main plot has been changed to 'saving Fate', the jewel seeds was no longer important... To the story that is.

Also, I would like you to point of some ACTION series that doesn't have that 'good vs evil for power' as a main plot? ;)

The battle sequinces were just rediculously over-the-top.

The same reason why it has this many fans as well. The thing about the action scene is it doesn't matter what they do, but as long as it's done in a visually impressive way, people general don't care what it reminds them of.

The characters were just so unbeleiveable. (I know Im going to be blasted for this one) Most notablely Fate. No child would be stupid enough to believe that getting horse whiped by their own mother until they collapsed was for the better. I mean come on!

There is a phrase from a crappy movie I saw once ('unleash'), "Get them when they're young, and the possiblities are endless!". If anyone grows up with their parents whipping them since young, they more or less got used to it and thought of it as 'normal' to them.

Also, you seem to overlook that Fate doesn't care about the beating, she just wants her mother to love her.

Transformations. I mean seriously do we NEED to see more loli nudity?

Heheh, why you squeamish?

Demon Eyes

2007-03-16, 19:58

Anyway, the battles continue on lolitron.

I already voted for our Fate-chan~

guest

2007-03-16, 20:02

I guess I am late for the party as usual. I just watched two seasons of Nanoha late last year because I was so put off by the name "magical girl." But I was bored and I thought, "well, if anything bad happens, I will just poke out my eye balls and wash them."
When I finished the series, that was a pleasent surprise. It is very different from the so-called magical girl genre. Back then I was not able to tell you exactly why it is different but now I can. Well, I am too lazy now. Just came back from a winter storm and need some rest.
This third season better be good. I have been waiting for a good anime, which is really lacking for the entire last year, I think. If they can keep up a good show, I don't care if Nanoha and Fate are in their 30s already - quote from Demon Eyes.
Just throw me some bones and I will chew on them forever because I am so hungry!

Demon Eyes

2007-03-16, 20:29

Just throw me some bones and I will chew on them forever because I am so hungry!

Here neko-sama, a bowl of ramen...:heh:

I too have a craving for some Nanoha-level Action. Or as the French say, 'Action'.

Nightengale

2007-03-17, 01:53

Old news, but on that topic of Nanoha being over-rated...

It's not that I totally disagree, because if one looks at it in some ways, Nanoha is indeed isn't that great of a story either. True, the story execution is light-hearted yet excitingly shonen at the same time while developing the characters decently, but at the same time, if it wasn't Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, etc but rather say..Graham instead, it wouldn't have the same level of fanbase it'd have right now either. I'd think the sheer popularity of characters like Fate isn't wholely because of her character only... If she wasn't a cute likable girl with a giant sword/scythe and was instead...Reinhard with a giant ship instead...you get my drift.

At the core of it, I'd say the Nanoha series is a light-hearted serious shonen drama. It's a fun watch, but not something one consider a top-notch story. However, StrikerS's explicit clear focus on the organizational, and probably more epic story with TSAB in the clear focus might change that.

Naturally, it's just my opinion. Nanoha's story isn't bad at all, but I can see some justification if some says it's overrated, especially seeing how some people just burst into excitement seeing Fate in a swimsuit. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if a possibly lousy beach episode in StrikerS gets fans raving as awesome simply because their favourite characters are there with fanservice.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-03-17, 02:03

Nightengale

2007-03-17, 02:32

Then we have to ask ourselves what is it that we're looking for in Nanoha? Are we looking for a deep characters? Are we looking for complex storylines? Or perharps we are looking for realism?

Seriously, people shouldn't be watching this show for the wrong reasons...

You'd be surprised at how far rabid fans will go to over-dramatize and over-epic~fy their favourite shows. Gundam's probably the finest example. Most of them are really nothing more than simple, straight-forward war drama with giant robots, teenagers and generic war-dorama plot-twist. But just pop yourself into any Gundam forum thread with ridiculously obscure names and you see fans talking about stuff that's like...mentioned only a fleeting moment in the extras of extras and pull out buckets.

Anyway, that's redundant here. Though frankly, I'm not really getting this whole "NOT A MAGICAL GIRL" thing most people are saying. That's like saying Sailor Moon isn't like a magical girl series, but more of a sentai due to it's plot themes, characters and atmosphere when compared to say...Mahou Sally or Akazukin Cha Cha.

Whenever I watch Nanoha, I feel like I'm watching a mahou-shoujoed Metal Heroes/Kamen Rider tokusatsu flick, pretty much like how Sailor Moon's Sentaified.