Utawarerumono Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

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[Renegade334]

I wonder if someone could post screenshots when the ep will air. Omniscient seems to want to have a break from blogging - and we cannot fault him since he has quite a lot on his back - and it'd be nice to have a source of information for our benefit...*looks around*

[USCPharmacist]

Dii should start raising hell in this episode, right?

[Renegade334]

He already started doing so last episode
since he was the one who gave the Av Kamu to the ShakukoporusBut at any rate, this is indeed where the shit starts hitting the fan.
Kuuya going Julius Caesar on everyone is indeniably Dii's handiwork, though.

[Xellos-_^]

Revenge of the Killer Rabbit People :p

[Renegade334]

With the mechas moving around it should be "The Rabbix Revolutions" or "Kuuya's Counterattack". :D

[Omniscient]

Awww, the Onkamiyamukai looked like they had the armors beat, but then Dii had to step in. And now Kunnekamun is after Touskuru. I can't wait for next week - preview shows that bad things happen to Aruru :(

[Shinova]

Awesome!!! Dunno what's going on in Kuuya's mind at this point. Hauenka's more and more psycho. Shit truly really hits the fan next week.

Oh, and Dii speaks!! :heh:

[Flame-X]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is driving me nuts!!!!! dammit i need the ep 22 right now!!!!o;if;lisfdgl;idfh;dsflihildfgh O_O;;;;;;

[kari-no-sugata]

That final image in the preview is so "uh-oh, now you've done it".

[Renegade334]

Somebody got any screenshots and/or a summary in handy here?
That'd be very appreciated, thx.

[zgmf-x19a]

Somebody got any screenshots and/or a summary in handy here?
That'd be very appreciated, thx.


I second the summary :)

[Zaris]

By Renegade334's request, I've provided images and a partial synopsis on my gaming website. My Japanese isn't perfect, so I speculated plot points where I didn't understand. But my knowledge of the game allowed me to create a fairly accurate "guess".

I might be willing to provide this kind of material for the remaining episodes.

YES it has spoilers. Even with the preview. So scroll down slowly.................

Exile (http://www.takattack.net/exile/)

Credits:
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Fuyuu (hosts the site I edit on)
USCPharmacist (for providing better details on several plot points)
Pepsi (I couldn't have stayed up till 3am without it)

This episode has confirmed all my suspisions about Hauenkua. He is insane, a lunatic. He is your Kefka of Utawarerumono, who kills and enjoys killing for whatever sickly humor he might see in it.

Strangely, this episode seemed a little boring to me. It kind of reminds me of the filler-episode that is all action and no plot just so it can get to the more juicy stuff a little faster. This isn't necessarily a bad thing; sometimes it is necessary. Episode 21 did have its fair share of interaction between the characters but it felt so bland and so minute that not much felt communicated at all short of the usual intelligence report. Furthermore, portions of the animation were drawn strange or drawn inconsistantly. Hein's eyes jumped around whenever he spoke, and the thickness of the lines changed and didn't integrate well with the static fore/background at times. To put it in few words, the animation lacked delicacy.

They've finally named our mysterious figure, and they've given him a voice. Though it was brief, it was a very shocking voice that I never imagine would being given to someone who looked so young.

Episode 22 is going to fill me with anxiety for a whole week. The castle is breached, the madman induces his wave of mayhem, and a side of Hakuoro we have never seen before - anguish. I leave the speculation to yourselves.

8/10

[USCPharmacist]

Very very brief summary for those who can't wait for Shadow Warrior Ray Ramondo to arrive at the states.

The rabbits were pwning shit right and left but morons nation still attacked them for no reason. Actually I think Dii was the one who manipulated the other small nations to attack the rabbit people. Kuuya was under constant pressure by her people to stop these attack once and for all. The plan they had were to "unified" the entire continent. Kuuya refused at first, but eventually as more and more of her people were killed in these skirmishes, Kuuya snaped and decided to conquer the entire continent once and for all. With the "Gundams", the rabbit were unstopable, and they pushed on to attack the winged people. The winged people were no loser, and they proceeded to use one of their strongest spell to attack the gundams. They were successful in beating them initially, but Dii then attacked the priests who were casting the spell and I think he pretty much slaughtered them all except for Kamyuu's father. After the winged people lost, Kuuya had complete fell to the dark side and she ordered one of her rabbit general to take Hakouro for her. So the Gundams attacked Tsukuro. Their power were inmense, to the point that even Touka could not even scratch them. Hakouro, seeing how it was hopeless for them to protect the castle, decided to abandon it. But the rabbit were quick, so in order for him to evacuate everyone, he and all of his generals must stay to defend the castle to buy his people time. All of his generals disagreed, however, and urged Hakuoro to leave with the people. They argued that as long as him lived, the country could continue. So Hakouro, Eruru, Aruru and the rest of the civilians left the castle, whereas everyone stayed behind to fight the gundams. The episodes ended when they were about to fight in front of the castle. Looks like next episode is going to have a huge arse fight, and from the preview, it does not bode well for the the good guys....

[Zaris]

Ohh, thank you USCPharmacist. I'll edit my synopsis in my previous post for accuracy.

[zgmf-x19a]

Very very brief summary for those who can't wait for Shadow Warrior Ray Ramondo to arrive at the states.

The rabbits were pwning shit right and left but morons nation still attacked them for no reason. Actually I think Dii was the one who manipulated the other small nations to attack the rabbit people. Kuuya was under constant pressure by her people to stop these attack once and for all. The plan they had were to "unified" the entire continent. Kuuya refused at first, but eventually as more and more of her people were killed in these skirmishes, Kuuya snaped and decided to conquer the entire continent once and for all. With the "Gundams", the rabbit were unstopable, and they pushed on to attack the winged people. The winged people were no loser, and they proceeded to use one of their strongest spell to attack the gundams. They were successful in beating them initially, but Dii then attacked the priests who were casting the spell and I think he pretty much slaughtered them all except for Kamyuu's father. After the winged people lost, Kuuya had complete fell to the dark side and she ordered one of her rabbit general to take Hakouro for her. So the Gundams attacked Tsukuro. Their power were inmense, to the point that even Touka could not even scratch them. Hakouro, seeing how it was hopeless for them to protect the castle, decided to abandon it. But the rabbit were quick, so in order for him to evacuate everyone, he and all of his generals must stay to defend the castle to buy his people time. All of his generals disagreed, however, and urged Hakuoro to leave with the people. They argued that as long as him lived, the country could continue. So Hakouro, Eruru, Aruru and the rest of the civilians left the castle, whereas everyone stayed behind to fight the gundams. The episodes ended when they were about to fight in front of the castle. Looks like next episode is going to have a huge arse fight, and from the preview, it does not bode well for the the good guys....


thanks for the summary :)

[Srin Tuar]

That final image in the preview is so "uh-oh, now you've done it".
Seconded!

Man, hakuoro will probably rip those tins cans apart with his bare hands if they killed aruru.


I liked kuuya at first, but now i think she needs to pay.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

That's right Srin Tuar.

Kuuya may be a puppet in all these affairs, but many died directly because of her. I do not excuse a nation under the influence of an evil grand vizier (I suppose that is what Hawenkua is) since the suboordinates only go out of hand if the leader is lazy, foolish or incompetent. I think Kuuya is at least two of the three (I am only going by the summaries). (Dii however is another story).

My suspicions that Kunnekamun and Tusukuru would become enemies were correct ever since episode 17.

Come to think of it, Kuuya is sort of an anti-Hakuoro. Any part of her whole character I can think of is directly opposite of Hakuoro, be it her mask, her sex, age, how she deals with her advisers, going into action, worship different gods, etc.

[Angela Sanctisstessa]

oh dear, the last image of the preview is....depressing

[RunningTARGET]

I knew putting Aruru in the front lines wasnt the way to go, I blame Hakuoro for this!

[Majek]

so it's getting crueler and bloodier. now i'm all hyped up for ep 22.

[PGilis]

Ooohhh... i'm dying to see this episode. :sad:

I rather pity Kuuya. She's being manipulated by Dii and that evil advicer of her, becoming a pawn and causing destruction in many countries... and now even in the country of her only (ex)-friend, Hakuoro.

Even worse, Hakuoro and his gang/harem have a really big problem in hands. I dunno if even Karura can fight those armored warriors.

Dii is really causing pain and destruction to everybody. Now i'm thinking if the crazy-laugh Niue was really bad and crazy, or was manipulated by him to become that way.

Just a question: WHAT THE HECK GENJIMARU IS DOING?!! :mad: He is a Evinkuruga, so he's supposed to be an ally of justice! Why he's not trying to stop Kuuya, that bad advicer or something like that?!

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Touka was an ally of justice, but indirectly had a hand in the massacre of Yamayura. So just because Genji is uber-badass/friendly to justice doesn't mean he's perfect. (Also, I believe he has other reasons for working for Kuuya).

[USCPharmacist]

Genjimaru the allie of Juctice? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

OK j/k but then again, what is justice and who decides them? (I am not talking about the real world) This is important in the anime later.

[Renegade334]

Just a question: WHAT THE HECK GENJIMARU IS DOING?!! :mad: He is a Evinkuruga, so he's supposed to be an ally of justice! Why he's not trying to stop Kuuya, that bad advicer or something like that?!
From what I recall I think he has a covenant with one of Dark!Uitsuarunemitea's earlier reincarnations (I think it's the avatar that preceded Dii); in exchange for exceptional combat skills he was ordered to protect the Shakukoporus and ended up serving Kuuya as a twist of his contract.
So in that way he can only do as he is told, but not as he wishes.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

So much for my theory that Genji only does what he does because he's a inter-species pedophile.

[Shinova]

*sigh*

Label those game spoilers please. :(

[Deathkillz]

omg omg...fear the rabbit ppl and their gundams >.<
even tho i dnt completely understand whts being sed i guess Kuuya is just trying to be a good emp but completely screwed up due to evil advisors...
so i take it the kingdom of the wing ppl got absolutly trashed :(
this is really exciting and i cnt w8 for ep 22...aruruu must live on!!! >.<

[PGilis]

So, Genjimaru will just do what he's told to? Even something evil like kill innocents or produce more Naruto episodes?

Poor Kuuya, that's what you got hiring the baddies Hawenkua "Bugs Bunny" and Dii "Woody Woodpecker" as your advicers.

And here i thought the only dark side she would turn into was Hakuoro's bedroom, late at night. :heh:

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Like I said, the fact that Evil Emo Bunny Man/Hawwie/Hawenkua and Evil Grunge Bunny Man/1/4th of Genjimaru's DNA/Hien are causing all this shit to happen is Kuuya's fault.

My prediction is that at the end of all this (if there is an end to this), Kuuya will end up either dead, abdicated or disgraced.I really don't know what will happen but I just spoilerized it so I don't get any more complaints.

[Renegade334]

So, Genjimaru will just do what he's told to? Even something evil like kill innocents or produce more Naruto episodes?
Since he's under a holy contract he cannot go under the other contractee's wishes so whatever his opinion is he'll have to go with his orders...unless he chooses to...
1°) break the contract
2°) make a second contract that'd negate the first.
Poor Kuuya, that's what you got hiring the baddies Hawenkua "Bugs Bunny" and Dii "Woody Woodpecker" as your advicers.
Hauenkua I can understand why it's a bad choice but as for Dii she technically has no reason not to trust the one who gave her the means to finally provide protection to her people. He was the one who nicked the Av Kamuu from their original berthing place and gave them to Kuuya, after all
And here i thought the only dark side she would turn into was Hakuoro's bedroom, late at night. :heh:
Not to mention making Sakuya's life a living hell by debauching her. :heh:

that at the end of all this (if there is an end to this), Kuuya will end up either dead, abdicated or disgraced. IIRC something much harsher though fitting (since she started warring around to protect her people <-- big clue, here) will happen to her...with certain repercussions directly on her mindset. I believe it's what's going to happen since it should introduce something present in the story's final arc...and in the OP, btw.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Let me guess--Kuuya's entire race will be slaughtered and she will be the one responsible?

I guess that falls under "disgraced."

I finally saw the Chinese sub (I don't read Chinese, lol) and at the end of the episode, I really disliked Hawenkua's extremely wide, laughing mouth--it made me want to stick the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch into it.

Also, what were Hien and Hawenkua arguing about?

[Renegade334]

@Cardiac Glycoside:
IIRC the Shakukoporus' capital and its surroundings will be razed by...a certain weapon (aka the Amaterasu weapon, whose effects are seen in the OP - I think it's that big explosion), leaving Kuuya with nothing to protect anymore and...a possible mental breakdown, causing her to lose her mind. All I remember is that at the end of the game she was behaving like a toddler, saying, 'oh, here's a flower, oh, here's a bird', etc, etc.

[Angela Sanctisstessa]

OOa, wow must be some great impact over there

[Deathkillz]

big big spoiler there >.< ah well i do feel sorry for her if she is reduced to that state...

[Xellos-_^]

@Cardiac Glycoside:
IIRC the Shakukoporus' capital and its surroundings will be razed by...a certain weapon (aka the Amaterasu weapon, whose effects are seen in the OP - I think it's that big explosion), leaving Kuuya with nothing to protect anymore and...a possible mental breakdown, causing her to lose her mind. All I remember is that at the end of the game she was behaving like a toddler, saying, 'oh, here's a flower, oh, here's a bird', etc, etc.

I am guessing this form kamyu awakening her Mutsumi powers and making contact with the satalitle canon

[Cyz]

Damn that Dii. I can't stand his attitude

[Shinova]

Damn that Dii. I can't stand his attitude

But I like his voice. Sounds awesome. Thank god it didn't sound like some stereotypical Bishounen villain's. :heh:

[Cardiac Glycoside]

If the Rabbit People all hate Witsuarnemitea, why oh why do they have an Onkamiyamukai has an ally? (Unless Dii of course lied and said that he was a defector) Since I "read ahead" and know WHO Dii is, could it be that his plan is to have the Rabbit People annihilated because they worship an enemy god?

[0rphen21]

uuuuu why oh why do i have to wait a week b4 i can see Hakuoro go berserk on those gundams T__T

[Renegade334]

Dii's only concern is to stir wars all around him so that all races can reach greater heights through conflicts and whatnot, while Hakuoro (if you indeed know who he is) wishes to find prosperity and evolution through cooperation and friendship. Therefore Dii doesn't care who he acquaints himself with as long as he succeeds in his endeavors in the long run. The resentment dwelling deep within the Shakukoporus is a gold mine for him so in a way it's logical for him to use them as pawns for his belligerent plans. One can also add, after all, and this is most ironic, that he is both figuratively and litterally, the Nuguisomu-kami, the very god of misfortune the Shakukoporus eschew so vehemently - since he harbors nothing but negative feelings. But of course the Shakukoporus won't shun him since he kept that fact absolutely secret.
As for Hauenkua, I guess he doesn't care about Dii's origins or ethnicity as long as he provides them with the wherewithal to bash the other species around. Also, it seems that Dii is quite the mastermind since he is the one inciting other countries to attack the Shakukoporus while, on the other hand, egging Kuuya and Hauenkua to retaliate with the Av Kamu. So it's not impossible that he manipulated Hauenkua and co. into trusting him.

Note that in World War II the Allies had to frolic with the Italian Mafia so that they could have an amphibious landing on the peninsula. Although it was for the greater good it still remains that it was the Mafia - people they would, innormal times, oppose, but have to ally themselves with for a common goal. I guess this case offers some analogies with that largely ignored part of history.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

What I was hoping to see other than the cliched "I'm-angry-raaar-unleash-ultimate-power" route was Hakuoro finding some clever way to stop the Bunnymechas. Perhaps he would, a la Shikeripetim, allow the Mechs unrestricted access to his countryside and then send Oboro and Touka to plant the explosive mixture inside the mecha while the Bunnies are taking a nap. That of course would take a lot of balls and they would have to hide their people really well because Evil Emo Bunnyman enjoys overkill even on unarmed villagers.

But, with episode 15 and Hakuoro's mysterious other self, I don't think they have time to let him do something smart like that.

[Renegade334]

I don't really remember what happens in this part of the game - I just know the big lines, nothing much after that - but I do recall from a game Q&A forum something about 'Hakuoro slicing through the Av Kamu, leaving bloody corpses behind him' - suggesting that the Av Kamus are nothing but big, biologic exoskeletons.

So, yeah, we might be treated with that scene since there should be an escalation of power for Hakuoro towards the final battle.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Well, in celebration of our Favorite (TM) Lagomorphic psychopath, I changed my sig. (HINT: Google "silflay hraka" to find out what that means).

Now what I want to know is whether Genjimaru is gonna kick some asses. This is simply a yes or no question. *played arcade version of Genjimaru and was well pleased*

And Renegade:
Rabbits: We hate Witsuarnemitea!

Dii: I AM Witsuarnemitea. (The bad half, anyway)

Rabbits: OH SHI--

*random violence* Irony, indeed.

[Zaris]

That's my screencap! lol

Now what I want to know is whether Genjimaru is gonna kick some asses. This is simply a yes or no question. *played arcade version of Genjimaru and was well pleased*

Yep! And he already did in the anime (for the fractions of seconds he got screentime in).

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Bah, we don't get to see the suffering in the eyes of his victims like we did with Touka. Offscreen killage doesn't count.

Also, I WANTED to get the screencap of Hawwie's last few seconds in the episode, but I don't know if I can do that with Real Media.

[Renegade334]

Hmmm~
This?
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9884/snapshot20060824233215le7.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9884/snapshot20060824233215le7.jpg)

[Kyero Fox]

I wonna kill that Rabbit guy at the end ... Just cut his Stomack open very very slowly and watch him scream :D

[Deathkillz]

^ hmm that guy is really psyco...i wonder why he likes killing so much...

[Onizuka-GTO]

^ hmm that guy is really psyco...i wonder why he likes killing so much...


If you can figure that out, you should join the police force.

;)

[Deathkillz]

If you can figure that out, you should join the police force.

;)

hmm maybe hes retarded from birth? been taking too much weed? not enough oxygen to the brain? can i join now? :D

[Furudanuki]

Well, in celebration of our Favorite (TM) Lagomorphic psychopath, I changed my sig. (HINT: Google "silflay hraka" to find out what that means).
I don't need no steeenkin' google to translate that - I remember reading "Watership Down" (saw the movie quite a few times too) in college more years ago than I care to think about. The General would just love Hauenkua - probably make him head of his Owsla. ;)

[Sinestra]

Man talk about shit going completly wrong. I can not have any pity for Kuuya she is allowing her self to be manipulated and cant make decisions on her own. Because of her weakeness thousands are dead. I dont think she is going to get that warmethness back anytime soon. I cant beleive she would really go as far as killing Hakuro. I want to see ep 22 like now and mean like right now. Things dont look so good for our heros.

If that preview of Aruruu is true i am going to go postal but not as much as Hakuoro will. I can imagine him ripping those super rabbit armored trooper things to pieces with her bare hands. I really dont want Aruruu to die but if they are going for tragedy this is the way to do it.


Anyone care to take a guess at if Aruruu will really die or not?

[Kyero Fox]

Aruruu wont die .. why would she? Shes one of the Main characters .. main characters dont die in most animes .. and how can someone so cute die? if she does tho its something i can do on my Facfic of my character in Utamarerumono

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I read somewhere about Aruruu being in the final battle--so, I think she will be saved, somehow.


EDIT: "Somehow," I got an idea of some of the dialogue I missed. It seems that Kuuya is in a very bad place to be for a leader--those who aren't trying to manipulate her (see Hien, Hawenkua) are her yes-men (Genjimaru, the rest of the country). I was wondering why she mentioned Eruruu in her conversation with Hakuoro. The way she spoke of Eruruu implies that she wishes for a real comforter rather than sychophants or schemers. Someone who is there to lift your spirits, be your moral compass and always be honest. (Genjimaru I think is the closest she has to that right now, but cannot do the right thing for reasons mentioned in other spoilers).

Right now she is like a criminal who must commit greater and greater crimes to cover for the "lesser" sins she already committed. That she would go as far as to order the death of Hakuoro shows how deeply misguided she is.

Still, I cannot excuse her for all the crap going on. If she had clamped down on Hawenkua's murderous behavior earlier, I think much bloodshed could have been saved. I do not think any right-minded person would pardon democide on an excuse as flimsy as "Oh, I misheard you."

[Shinova]

Man talk about shit going completly wrong. I can not have any pity for Kuuya she is allowing her self to be manipulated and cant make decisions on her own. Because of her weakeness thousands are dead. I dont think she is going to get that warmethness back anytime soon. I cant beleive she would really go as far as killing Hakuro. I want to see ep 22 like now and mean like right now. Things dont look so good for our heros.

Do keep in mind though that some manipulators are just that good, so it's not entirely true to place all blame on Kuuya.


It's almost like blaming the rape victim for being lured into it in the first place (extreme example, I know).

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Yes, but as some (Emphasis on that word) rape victims could prevent that from happening by being a tiny bit smarter (travelling in groups, not broadcasting her assets, being more agressive, *ahem*packingheat*ahem*), so could Kuuya prevent her descent into this chaos by being a bit more shrewd. It's sad to be a victim but even worse to know that a little prudence could have prevented that. Besides, as an Empress she HAS to be more responsible than that.

And I doubt Hawenkua is that good of a manipulator. Or, if he is good, he is bad at everything else. (Subtlety, for instance). Who in their right mind would trust someone who yells DIEDIEDIE and laughs like an idiot when killing the enemy?

[Shinova]

Yes, but as some (Emphasis on that word) rape victims could prevent that from happening by being a tiny bit smarter (travelling in groups, not broadcasting her assets, being more agressive, *ahem*packingheat*ahem*), so could Kuuya prevent her descent into this chaos by being a bit more shrewd. It's sad to be a victim but even worse to know that a little prudence could have prevented that. Besides, as an Empress she HAS to be more responsible than that.

And I doubt Hawenkua is that good of a manipulator. Or, if he is good, he is bad at everything else. (Subtlety, for instance). Who in their right mind would trust someone who yells DIEDIEDIE and laughs like an idiot when killing the enemy?

You're looking at the wrong guy. Dii's the one we should be looking at, not Hauenkua. The latter's just a crazy loon. The former is definetly up to something. Remember that Kuuya doesn't just listen to Hauenkua. She also has Hien and Genjimaru to listen too. She and all of these people have been manipulated directly or indirectly by Dii, who's obviously been inciting those wars against Kuunekamun in the first place, not to mention allowing Kuuya to take Onkamiyamukai.

Now, one can take all the precautions one can take, but there are just some people or situations that are just too..... err, strong, if that's the right word.

If you read the game spoiler regarding Dii, you would know that he's WAY out of Kuuya's or Hauenkua's league.


EDIT: Okay, actually here's a better comparison. If a man lures a little child who's nowhere near old enough to be knowledgeable of the world and murders him or her, can we fault that child's ignorance?

Same with Kuuya. She's a frickin teen (looks like it) for goodness' sake, and an ignorant one at that. But ignorance is not the same thing as stupidity. You can't fault ignorance in the same way you can fault stupidity.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I know what Dii is (and by extension, what Hakuoro is) but in my analysis (including the edit on post #55) whatever it is Dii is scheming is of no object. The fact that Dii is manipulating every mass murderer in existence does not exonerate the mass murderers.

As for another insight, I think the problem with her, rather than ignorance, is that she lets her feelings lead her astray. This is yet another way in which she is the definitive anti-Hakuoro. Of course, Dii is technically the real anti-Hakuoro but I am simply going by how the two conduct themselves as rulers.

[zalas]

So... um... how did game spoilers end up in this thread? <_<;

[cheenk]

i thought hien was the one trying to stop kuuya from attacking other countries

[Sinestra]

Do keep in mind though that some manipulators are just that good, so it's not entirely true to place all blame on Kuuya.


It's almost like blaming the rape victim for being lured into it in the first place (extreme example, I know).


I hear what your saying and maybe placing al the balme on her is not fair. But a large share of it is her fault. She needs to have the strength to make up her own mind. She is leader of the country if she tells her people NO!!!!!!!!!! we are going to focus on stablizing the country first and i dont want to hear anything else about it its their duty to obey. She's just very weak minded and i think it eaiser for her to let someone else solve the problem then tell her what to do then she makes it a command. Hakuoro told her that she had people she could turn 2

[Shinova]

I hear what your saying and maybe placing al the balme on her is not fair. But a large share of it is her fault. She needs to have the strength to make up her own mind. She is leader of the country if she tells her people NO!!!!!!!!!! we are going to focus on stablizing the country first and i dont want to hear anything else about it its their duty to obey. She's just very weak minded and i think it eaiser for her to let someone else solve the problem then tell her what to do then she makes it a command. Hakuoro told her that she had people she could turn 2

In her mind though, stabilizing and protecting her country IS taking out all the other ones so that they can't attack her people again. And they DID attack her people after all. Add a few convincing words here and there, exploit her naivette, and you have what we have.

I know what Dii is (and by extension, what Hakuoro is) but in my analysis (including the edit on post #55) whatever it is Dii is scheming is of no object. The fact that Dii is manipulating every mass murderer in existence does not exonerate the mass murderers.

Cause and effect. Kuuya and her bunch would not have had the distinction of being called mass murderers if it weren't for Dii's scheming.

[Renegade334]

Dii manipulates anyone that has power or happens to rule a country for the sake of raising conflicts as much as possible for his own plans. Whether you are of noble mind and pure intentions or not, is a mere afterthought to him. You're just a pawn. Whether you are painted white or black or on either side of the chess board doesn't matter - you're a small cog in the engine of war. And he is the one making you move the gears of destiny.

If you take for example Orikakan, he wasn't originally a murderer or some evil lord - but through Dii's devices he was tricked (through a hypnosis/confounding spell) into thinking that Hakuoro was the one who killed his sister. As you can see, not all attackers in Utawarerumono are bloodthirsty tyrants fond of the 'divide and conquer' motto and taking baths with human blood instead of water every sunday by habit. Did he massacre people? Yes. But was he actually evil? Not necessarily - and apparently not, according to the game.

Dii just turns you into someone whose only option in a changing world is to fight, whether for territorial expansion, revenge or merely defense. As long as you fight, create chaos and eventually climb up a notch in the hierarchy/ladder of valor and whatnot,Dii's all the more happy.

As I said earlier on, Dii believes that evolution and betterment can only be achieved through war, where one's body and mind become one and people are thus able to attain greater heights. Hakuoro, due to his nature and his unrevealed relation to Dii, naturally thinks the opposite and tries a more peaceful, placating or diplomatic approach. It still remains that despite his unwillingness to partake in any form of battle, he is still another factor for Dii to use in his great scheme(s).

[ChainLegacy]

If we don't see some Hakuoro godzilla action next week, I'll be pissed. Hoping he rips apart all of those stupid mech bunny morons for whatever they did to Arruru.

[Renegade334]

You actually might get your much-desired treat seeing what actually happened in the game. Wonder how they'll animate it and how much we'll see, though. ;)

[Shinova]

Could someone explain to me where these come from? (didn't quite know where to put these)


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EDIT: Nevermind, I found the source. It's a funny bonus short on the DVD. It covers that one scene in the game where Hakuoro and Oboro go raid the storage room for some snacks and get ehm..... indigestion, and the whole Aruru torpedoing into Oboro's stomach thing happens. :D

[Sinestra]

In her mind though, stabilizing and protecting her country IS taking out all the other ones so that they can't attack her people again. And they DID attack her people after all. Add a few convincing words here and there, exploit her naivette, and you have what we have.



Cause and effect. Kuuya and her bunch would not have had the distinction of being called mass murderers if it weren't for Dii's scheming.


True technically we can blame all the mass murders of Dii and some of Kuuyas current state of mind. I cant bring my self to hate her since i know she is in a difficult position i think her lack of confidence in her self showes through a lot allowing Gii and the others to take advantage not to mention her naivette. Did it seem like saw more in Haruoko than just a fellow ruler or am i reading too much into it?

[Renegade334]

At first she thought he was a kanneietai, a 'devoted' one blessed by gods and put under their protection - hence why she approached him and asked if he had any skills she could possibly copy or make her own to protect her people.

Afterwards (when Hakuoro disspelled that belief) I think she just thought him to be 'an interesting/fascinating person', according to her own words, since he was quite the unorthodox, odd man out in this world. Other than that, I believe he was the only ruler she could meet without suffering the scorn a discussion with other species that would always follow such a meeting. Hakuoro is clueless, without preconceptions or prejudices, making him the easiest person to have a chat with as fellow leaders and not as enemies or persona non grata in each other's country.

[Shinova]

Re. the bonus ep:



Oh God. You guys have to see this. You HAVE to see this. :heh:

[Renegade334]

Ah, yeah, the who-goes-to-the-toilet-first scene...such a pity we'll have to wait for it to make its way around the world...*sigh*

[zalas]

I hear what your saying and maybe placing al the balme on her is not fair. But a large share of it is her fault. She needs to have the strength to make up her own mind. She is leader of the country if she tells her people NO!!!!!!!!!! we are going to focus on stablizing the country first and i dont want to hear anything else about it its their duty to obey. She's just very weak minded and i think it eaiser for her to let someone else solve the problem then tell her what to do then she makes it a command. Hakuoro told her that she had people she could turn 2
Also note that she is just a *kid*. She thinks and acts in the same way a kid would, like trying to impress Hakuoro, easily swayed by emotions, etc. How many kids do you know can run a normal country, much less a country tied up in a web of conspiracy?

[Sinestra]

Re. the bonus ep:



Oh God. You guys have to see this. You HAVE to see this. :heh:


Hey Shinova bonus Ep what is this blessing you speak off?

[Toonleap]

Hey Shinova bonus Ep what is this blessing you speak off?

Pretty funny stuff. Bonus includes one special extra, a comedic episode that it is about 7 minutes. It is about the misadventures of Hakuoro and Oboro strugglin with some stomach problems....Laugh so Loud with that...they even fight to use the bathroom!... ...NEVER mess with Eruru´s stuff!

The other stuff is a Question and Answers about the series, hosted by Hakuoro and Eruru. They answer some questions and talks on facts of Utaware and they talk even about the twins....will not say too much about that....dont want to spoil on it.

Finally,the other thing is about a promo of what to expect of the series.

Hope this comes on the U.S version of the Licensed DVDS...:heh:

[Shinova]

Pretty funny stuff. Bonus includes one special extra, a comedic episode that it is about 7 minutes. It is about the misadventures of Hakuoro and Oboro strugglin with some stomach problems....Laugh so Loud with that...they even fight to use the bathroom!... ...NEVER mess with Eruru´s stuff!

The other stuff is a Question and Answers about the series, hosted by Hakuoro and Eruru. They answer some questions and talks on facts of Utaware and they talk even about the twins....will not say too much about that....dont want to spoil on it.

Finally,the other thing is about a promo of what to expect of the series.

About that Q&A one, is it the voice actors of Hakuoro and Eruru answering questions or is it actually Hakuoro and Eruru, animated, answering the questions?

[Toonleap]

About that Q&A one, is it the voice actors of Hakuoro and Eruru answering questions or is it actually Hakuoro and Eruru, animated, answering the questions?

Special is about 15 minutes...wow, half an episode...

It is just the voice actors of Hakuoro and Eruru answering the questions....The session first shows the question, and then shows the different things that are shown in Utaware...for instance, one of the questions deals with the magic powder that Hakuoro recommends to the village people to make the corn grows faster...they show diagrams and everything and Hakuoro explaining all in detail...He even mentions the secret formula with complicated chemical ingredients...Eruru does not understand ANYTHING of this!!....The thing I like here is how both voice actors enjoy themselves explaining everything with some jokes and all of that....Another stuff is that they are discussing about THE TWINS....They show moments where people begin to wonder....if they are really male or female??...showing some moments with arrows pointing out different parts of their bodies....Eruru feels hilariously confused about this part. Hakuoro explains how to distinguish Dorii and Guura as well....(sorry if I mispelled) I think I should not spoil everything they show here, but I found myself laughing a lot in some parts....:heh:

Hope this answer your question. If someone else watched this and I made a mistake, feel free to post....I know japanese, but need to practice a little bit more...

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I was wondering--weren't some of the people subjugated by Kunnekamun also bunny people? (I am talking about the grieveing man who refused to bow to Kuuya).

[Kyero Fox]

with out those .. Mechs w.e they be Helpless and stand no chance . I hate it when someone hides behind Armor.

[kauldron26]

holy shit... that insane rabbit guy, is like Dilandau (from escaflowne) long lost cousin. Im pretty certain dilandau would rip him to pieces tho. If i new the preview would make me go insane for the next episode, i would have just stopped it.

give me episode 22 nooooow.

anyone else agree this and honey/clover II are the best show of the summer?? (unlike the ridiculously overrated haruhi suzumiya)

the question is, can utawarerumono posibbly top the greatness of ESCAFLOWNE??

[Xellos-_^]

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anyone else agree this and honey/clover II are the best show of the summer?? (unlike the ridiculously overrated haruhi suzumiya)



No

*starts piling wood to burn the heratic of Haruhism.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

with out those .. Mechs w.e they be Helpless and stand no chance . I hate it when someone hides behind Armor.Even without Armor, they have Genjimaru. Those Evenkuruga really kick ass (recalls ep. 13 where Touka flawlessly evades all of Hakuoro's hero units).

I'm sure that w/o the mechs, all they would need is to have Touka and Karura doubleteam Genjimaru and have Kurou FISTPWN the rest of the army (remember episode 7)?

[ImClueless]

I guess not even legendary forest beasts IE. Mukuru can take a hit from a mech....

[Renegade334]

Mmmh...unless Mukkuru has inherited Muteikapa's Invulnerable Pelt (C) genes and is totally unconcerned about kinetic attacks not involving water and such...but she can still (is it a 'she'? I think it was the case...) be flung away like a rag doll by an object much larger than her. Hmmm...that brings some scenes from LotR III back to mind...:heh:

As for Genjimaru, well, let's not underestimate him for two reasons:
1°) although he's old, he is a veteran Ebenkuruga with technically more experience than Touka, which makes him all the more dangerous.
2°)he also happens to have made a covenant with Dii or one of his earlier avatars (I mean, dark!Uitsuarunemitea's earlier reincarnations, since Dii wasn't the only one), where he had bartered his allegiance to whomever Dii would designate for exceptional combat skills. In other words, he is what Kuuya first thought Hakuoro to be - a 'kanneietai', someone under a deity's blessings, gifted with great strength and powers.

If you combine the two points, Genjimaru still remains quite a threat to both Touka and Karura.

[KaneDragon]

Now that there are giant mechs, no one cares about Mukuru anymore... T_T

This show needs more legendary forest beasts, like a Dark Mukuru or something--Mukuru with an inverted color scheme. Then Mukuru can turn out to be their long lost leader, and can lead all the other Mukuru in a desperate struggle for survival. <3
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9301/sabaivu13ko3.jpg

[Kyero Fox]

Mmmh...unless Mukkuru has inherited Muteikapa's Invulnerable Pelt (C) genes and is totally unconcerned about kinetic attacks not involving water and such...but she can still (is it a 'she'? I think it was the case...) be flung away like a rag doll by an object much larger than her. Hmmm...that brings some scenes from LotR III back to mind...:heh:

As for Genjimaru, well, let's not underestimate him for two reasons:
1°) although he's old, he is a veteran Ebenkuruga with technically more experience than Touka, which makes him all the more dangerous.
2°)he also happens to have made a covenant with Dii or one of his earlier avatars (I mean, dark!Uitsuarunemitea's earlier reincarnations, since Dii wasn't the only one), where he had bartered his allegiance to whomever Dii would designate for exceptional combat skills. In other words, he is what Kuuya first thought Hakuoro to be - a 'kanneietai', someone under a deity's blessings, gifted with great strength and powers.

If you combine the two points, Genjimaru still remains quite a threat to both Touka and Karura.


Still doesnt stand a chance in hell agnest Kyero >.> XD lol just kiddin ... he might stand a chance.

[Deathkillz]

even tho we havent seen much of Genjimaru's skillz im sure he would be a though cookie to crack right up till he dies :heh:
ill be rooting for Mukuru next ep :D gogo!!! he might freak out and tear one of those gundams appart :D

[Kyero Fox]

lmao gundams. and oh you know hes gonna... I would If he killed Aruruu i n front of me >:(

[KaneDragon]

And I guess no one's going to care about the emo vampire until she starts blowing crap up with nuclear airstrikes (if the OP is any indication)... Fine by me. It can't be any cooler than Hakuoro gettin down with his bad self. ^^

[Deathkillz]

And I guess no one's going to care about the emo vampire until she starts blowing crap up with nuclear airstrikes (if the OP is any indication)... Fine by me. It can't be any cooler than Hakuoro gettin down with his bad self. ^^

ROFL!!! him getting down with his bad self is really cool in a gangsta kinda way :p this is getting me hyped up to see the final battle :D

[Renegade334]

Post deleted. Wrote something for nothing. Jeez.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I was gonna say Genjimaru took steroids but there is no way he could have because he wouldn't be able to sire Sakuya's (father? mother?) with the resulting toothpick-sized PONOS.

[mog08]

well not a lot happened the last 2 eps. In the preview of next ep, it looks as if Aruruu is going to die, or not. I'm preparing for the worst anyway. By the way it is going now, we probably won't see a happy ending. i m curious to see if Kamyu will be involved in the ending.

[Xellos-_^]

well not a lot happened the last 2 eps. In the preview of next ep, it looks as if Aruruu is going to die, or not. I'm preparing for the worst anyway. By the way it is going now, we probably won't see a happy ending. i m curious to see if Kamyu will be involved in the ending.

Look at the op again carefully and pay attentation to the deam of light that involve Kamyu.

You really think they throw out the vampire thing and not involve it in the story somewhere. This Shadow Warrior Chronicles not Fake Stick Neigh.

[mog08]

Look at the op again carefully and pay attentation to the deam of light that involve Kamyu.

You really think they throw out the vampire thing and not involve it in the story somewhere. This Shadow Warrior Chronicles not Fake Stick Neigh.

yes but things happen in anime openings don't always happen exactly in the anime, do they? Like is Yuzuha going to open her eyes ever?

[kauldron26]

so guys, WTF is up with kamyu?? is she like a quasi vampire?

[Wandering_Youth]

Hmmm. I think everything happened way too quickly and it felt rushed. It felt like they destroyed all the surrounding 6 countries in a matter of weeks.

Now what the heck is up with the scene where they said Kamyu was sucking blood? It just happened and they didn't bothered going into detail as why she was going vampire on Aruuruu. WTH?! That was just so random.

Hello and behold! We find that Dii guy pulling strings behind the scenes manipulating this on going war...I think. What the heck was he doing with that corpses in the dungeon?

Lastly, Kuuya is a horrible leader!

However, on the bright side I did enjoy that hilarious scene where Kuuya was trying to make Sakuya, Hakuoro's wife. I had a nice laugh when Kuuya said Sakuya was very "skilled" and then Eruuruu was all flustered.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Hahahaha, I always thought Genjimaru was a pedophile....

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabaivu38ta9.jpg

Isn't it sad, Sakuya?

[Deathkillz]

hahaha nice one XD
"are you a demon you bastard!"
you deserve a cookie ;)

[Trax]

anyone else agree this and honey/clover II are the best show of the summer?? (unlike the ridiculously overrated haruhi suzumiya)

Not really imo. Although the past episodes have been pretty good I still feel the plot as a whole is just a jumble of random events. As I stated before, interesting characters, a premise with potential, but lacking a proper flow in terms of plot progression which kills alot of the enjoyment for me.

That said, I do want to see Hakuoro go mental on the mechs for messing with Aruru.

[TooPurePureBoy]

Ok seriously. I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, Kuuya is unforgivable for sending the Bluehaired sadistic general to Tuskuruu. She has to know at this point he's a butcher after fighting along side him. Has she lost is so completely she doesn't even differenciate between countries she's trying to unite? She could have easily tried proposing to Hakuoro and conquered peacfully at least once.

Also isn't it withing the power of an Evinkurga (ie Genjimaru) to realize his leader isn't following the path of justice anymore? How many more is he gonna let be butchered for no reason? Legendary protectors of justice my ass.

That said....Great Episode :eyespin:

[suguru]

Ok seriously. I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, Kuuya is unforgivable for sending the Bluehaired sadistic general to Tuskuruu. She has to know at this point he's a butcher after fighting along side him. Has she lost is so completely she doesn't even differenciate between countries she's trying to unite? She could have easily tried proposing to Hakuoro and conquered peacfully at least once.

It seems like Kuuya's acting out of character--sure, no doubt she's shocked by the horrors of war, but if that's the case would she really believe starting a bigger war to conquer the world is a good solution? If you thought world unity was the answer and truly wanted to end war, wouldn't you engage in some kind of alliance-building before sending in the mech to just butcher everyone else? In the span of half an episode Kuuya goes from moon-viewing with Hakuoro and asking his advice, to sending her army of Gundams to invade his country. She's gone to talk to him several times already, why not now, to explain herself and try to avoid a war that she seems to abhor? Kuuya had the chance to be an interesting character with potential for some good character development, but now things seem rushed, like the writers are just using her as a plot device.

[Renegade334]

Also isn't it withing the power of an Evinkurga (ie Genjimaru) to realize his leader isn't following the path of justice anymore? How many more is he gonna let be butchered for no reason? Legendary protectors of justice my ass.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=655217&postcount=25 <-- answer is there. It's not like he can make a choice - adding to the fact that he has family among the Shakukoporus, he can only go along with them.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Ok seriously. (1)I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, Kuuya is unforgivable for sending the Bluehaired sadistic general to Tuskuruu. She has to know at this point he's a butcher after fighting along side him. (2)Has she lost is so completely she doesn't even differenciate between countries she's trying to unite? (3) She could have easily tried proposing to Hakuoro and conquered peacfully at least once.
*numbers added*
(1). Yes, I think Kuuya is incredibly stupid for letting Hauenkua get away with anything.

(2). With the mess they made in conquering the Onkamiyamukai, every single non-Shakukoporu on the planet is a potential enemy. If they leave even a weak nation standing, well, they could beat them militarily, but weak nation may bide their time and use terrorist tactics to kill off innocents since they can't beat the mecha. Therefore, she cannot differentiate who is a "good" nation and who is a "bad" one. (Though, if she had any sense left in her brain, she would know that Kunnekamun is definitely now a "bad" nation).

It would have been good enough if they repaid an eye for an eye, but thanks to that sadist Hauenkua and that idiot Hien (and of course Dii), it has become an entire countryside for an eye.

(3). Given that Kuuya let herself become Queen Bitch of the Universe, AND conquered Tusukuru's greatest ally, she can't easily come to Hakuoro and say, "Hey buddy why don't you swear fealty to me old chum?"

Also, given what she already knows about Hakuoro (not quite superhuman but managed incredible feats anyhow), perhaps she was afraid that Hakuoro might once again find a way to stop them. So she can't take any risks.

It's possible that when she said "Bring me Hakuoro" she just meant capture him, but since she sent Evil Emo Bunnyman, we only know how things can unfold.

[Skane]

I'm reeeeally dreading the fate of Aruruu in Ep22. :(
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ADD]

I wrote a little bit on Ep21 at Hop Step Jump! (http://anime.jefflawson.net/2006/08/26/lost-their-music/),


The common thread between the recent wars has been Dii( the silent angel guy, who gets named and speaks in Ep21). One way or another, he somehow plays a role in inciting these wars. The wars ARE connected, but WHY are they connected has not been revealed yet( as in why Dii is doing all this).

As for the latest war, Kuuya is young and unable to cope with the pressure from her people and her ‘advisors’. She relies too much on Genjimaru for advice, and this leads to her downfall when Hauenkua and Hien take advantage of his absence to push her into starting a campaign to ‘unite’ the countries under one rule( their rule).

Now, as to why she decides to attack Hakuoro. If you recall the talk she had with Genjimaru in the tent, she is well aware that she is attacking neutral( and friendly) countries as well. However, as followers of a different God( the part about them being all alone and isolated from the rest of the world), she would be hardpressed to convince these neutral countries( including Hakuoro’s) to capitulate to her rule.

So her policy is to conquer these countries by force, and ask for their forgiveness later( although Genjimaru does question her logic here).

No, it is not the best policy, but Kuuya is not exactly following a sane one in the first place. The pressure of leadership and the pressure from her advisors has pushed her into this situation.

She is, to put it one way, being manipulated.

Cheers.

[Grey]

It seems like Kuuya's acting out of character--sure, no doubt she's shocked by the horrors of war, but if that's the case would she really believe starting a bigger war to conquer the world is a good solution? If you thought world unity was the answer and truly wanted to end war, wouldn't you engage in some kind of alliance-building before sending in the mech to just butcher everyone else?The Shakukoporu were attacked by four different countries, their enemies seemed to have no compunctions about killing civilians and razing their villages, they have a history of persecution, and they worship different gods. Building alliances would hardly seem plausible in that sort of situation.

Hakuoro had the aid of the Onkami Yamukai in forming alliances against Niwe/Yue, and some of his allies considered backing out after an unexpected attack by Kuccha Keccha. I doubt many people would want to ally with the Shakukoporu given the above points.

We've learned that in Utawarerumono we're dealing with fairly small countries and populations (ie. only three days to defeat one of the 'most powerful' countries), so being completely exterminated is quite possible (see: the Erumui and Karura's people). Wide-scale aggressive action may have been the only solution Kuuya considered viable; the defensive tactic apparently wasn't working, as seen by the raids on Shakukoporu villages. Localized and limited retalitation also may have been ruled out--the Shakukoporu have been recently attacked (without provocation?) by three to four different countries in succession, and I doubt the Shakukoporu were treated well in the past either.

In the span of half an episode Kuuya goes from moon-viewing with Hakuoro and asking his advice, to sending her army of Gundams to invade his country. She's gone to talk to him several times already, why not now, to explain herself and try to avoid a war that she seems to abhor?Perhaps she already knew that Hakuoro would never surrender. To properly cow everyone and prevent retaliation, she may have felt the need to eliminate the military forces of all countries, including Tusukuru. If Kuuya left Tusukuru alone, the other defeated countries may rally to Hakuoro and pressure him into retaliating (and if Hakuoro didn't retaliate, he himself might be 'blacklisted'). This would be an uneviable situation since Kuuya and Hakuoro seemed to be slightly personally close; if Kuuya defeated Tusukuru's military as well, the situation would be bypassed. It might not seem a perfect rationale from this external standpoint, but we're not in their shoes.

I don't care what happens in the rest of the story, Kuuya is unforgivable for sending the Bluehaired sadistic general to Tuskuruu. She has to know at this point he's a butcher after fighting along side him.Does she have to? When a bunch of giant mechs charge into an enemy force, it's hardly clear that one of the pilots is more of a sadistic butcher than another--all of them are brutally hacking through the enemy. Admittedly Hauenkua has that crazy laughter, but I'm not sure that every sound he makes is on Ave Kamuu loudspeaker; he seems to put on a relatively stable and subservient act in person. We see specific scenes that show he's nuts, but the Utawarerumono characters might not be privy to those moments.

For instance, when Hauenkua was with Kuuya, I assume they weren't slaughtering civilians left and right (they seemed to be targeting military opponents, and Kuuya is opposed to 'unnecessary' killing like wiping out the unthreatening Erumui). Thus, all they would see was Hauenkua's mech blasting through enemy cavalry/infantry like all the other mechs.

Still...I would've sent Hien and not Hauenkua. Maybe she sent Hauenkua because she has more confidence in his battle prowess and knows Hakuoro is tough? It seemed that Hauenkua was sent on a solo mission against the Erumui before, so maybe this is the case.

[Darklightz]

I think you guys are a bit too harsh on Kuuya.Yes it's plainly obvious that what she is doing is wrong.But her situation was very stressful I imagine.

First of all she seems inept to rule.I don't know what situation put her on the throne,is she the daughter of the former emperor?Was she put on the throne because the advisors knew they could manipulate her?In any case,she has no clue what she's doing or how to keep her people safe,even with those giant mechas.This is why I believe she came to see Hakuoro in the first place,the man who was found unconscious in a village and quickly became a great emperor and vanquished all his enemies against all odds.When Kuuya found that Hakuoro didn't have some hidden power to help him rule she realized he wasn't the answer to her dilemma.And then she was attacked by 2 very powerful country at once and fought them and defeated them.

Now put yourself in her shoes for a second.You have no idea how to rule a country,you are afraid for your people's safety and you realize you have the power to defeat any army.Added with the pressure from her advisors to fight,she quickly came to the conclusion "My god,if I keep killing all the bad guys now,everyone will be safer" (I call it the Bush syndrome).

[ccardoso]

Now put yourself in her shoes for a second.You have no idea how to rule a country,you are afraid for your people's safety and you realize you have the power to defeat any army.Added with the pressure from her advisors to fight,she quickly came to the conclusion "My god,if I keep killing all the bad guys now,everyone will be safer" (I call it the Bush syndrome).
I think your reasonment is true, but this doesn't change the fact that Kuuya is a war criminal because:
1) She attacked neutral countries without reason: to want to rule them isn't a reason because those countries would refuse of course.
2) She has that psycopath among her ufficials. It doesn't mean a thing if she disapproves him... the fact remain that she allows him to fight under her flag using her weapons, so she's responsable even for him.

She's way too emotional to be a ruler: I mean she can't decide to fortify her borders one time and then totally change her mind only because she heard of a new enemy attack...
She deserves to be given to the common people of one of a random country she destroyed under his delirium of onnipotence... I see her raped, tortured and then impaled on a tree, together with the other officials.
She believes to be some kind of divine force because of those gundams... oh well she will know the true terror in the next episode, where Hakuoro's monster form will finally appear itself, slicing all those mechas like they were made of butter.

[Orchunter226]

I think absolving Kuuya for what she is done would be the equivelant of absolving Hitler (i mean he only wanted to unify Europe, right?). She is committing war crimes, and just because she was attacked first and is confused, doesn't give her the right to attack neutral countries and kill whole populations of countries.

I too am worried about Aruruu's fate in the coming episode. That last scene did not look promising for her. I foresee Hakuoro going "the hulk" on some mechs.

[Renegade334]

I think absolving Kuuya for what she is done would be the equivelant of absolving Hitler (i mean he only wanted to unify Europe, right?)

OUCH. Big 'ouch' here. Really a big one.
Hitler wanted to do more than unify Europe - he wanted to conquer it using the popular pretext of extending Germany's lebensraum (an expanse where people can dwell; 'living room/area', literally). Kuuya is more into the preemptive strike (cf Enduring/Iraqi Freedom) and the revenge campaign rather than the classical conquest spree that is particular to both Napoleon and Hitler.

Hitler did everything of his own volition. Kuuya was coerced into doing it and being a leader the pressure was probably too high for her and she buckled under it. Being a child I guess she also has to prove that she's worthy of the position she holds and must uphold her image and authority...which apparently didn't stand its ground much seeing how both Hien and Hauenkua (the self-righteous and the maniacal one) pulled on her hackles like there was no tomorrow.

[ccardoso]

I too am worried about Aruruu's fate in the coming episode. That last scene did not look promising for her. I foresee Hakuoro going "the hulk" on some mechs.
I hope he will slice all of them... Kuuya thinks to be so strong and holy, while she's only an idiot pawn.

[Renegade334]

I hope he will slice all of them... Kuuya thinks to be so strong and holy, while she's only an idiot pawn.

Oh, don't worry - if they do follow the game and everything that happens inside, then she'll be at the receiving end of the proverbial stick. Or should I say, giant sequoia trunk-sized club? (I mean, it must happen since it'll introduce something that'll be critical for the last couple of battles - otherwise they'll have to rewrite the ending)

She'll be punished - especially there where it hurts most. 'He who lived by the sword will die by the sword'. Kuuya wanted nothing more than protect her people - you guess the rest.

And, well...
the punishment will be harsh enough to mentally cripple her for the rest of the story. Last time she was seen in the game, she was babbling like a toddler due to the trauma she had incurred.

[Orchunter226]

Hitler did everything of his own volition. Kuuya was coerced into doing it and being a leader the pressure was probably too high for her and she buckled under it. Being a child I guess she also has to prove that she's worthy of the position she holds and must uphold her image and authority...which apparently didn't stand its ground much seeing how both Hien and Hauenkua (the self-righteous and the maniacal one) pulled on her hackles like there was no tomorrow.

Yet, their actions end up being nearly the same despite the motivations. They may have phrased their intentions differently, but they are really doing the same thing (except Kuuya doesn't have concentration camps).

When it comes down to it, the defense "well they told me to do it" or "they coerced me into it" doesn't stand up. Kuuya is committing war crimes, and she is conquering other countries, even if she says it's only to "unite" them.

[Zaris]

Just revisited Episode 21 with a Japanese friend of mine who is also into this particular anime. He was able to translate everything for me.

If you recall the synopsis of episode 21 (http://www.takattack.net/exile/) that I wrote, it appears that I was more or less on the ball. The stuff I got right I was surprised to have gotten right, and the stuff I got wrong I kinda figured. :P

- apparently Hein is not pleading with the emperor to hold back on the Avu Kamu onslaught. He is wishing for war just like Hauenkua is but for completely different reasons: he wants the land to be united into one. Hauenkua wants a larger empire to take advantage of their subjects (or he wants to kill everyone. Either arguement works for Hauenkua now). Just think of it as one merciful/noble, one tyranical.
- I was right and wrong about Genjimaru. He does convince Kuuya to hold back on world domination, but it's only by reinforcing their country outer regions.
- The village I got wrong entirely.
Benaui reports an attack by Kunnekamun on a village which kills the pleasent atmosphere...Several villagers bow to show loyalty to Kuuya, but one man is upset and has to be restrained. He struggles and shouts, possibly saying that he (or his tribe) will get even with her.
Turns out that Kuuya's village was the one under attack, and apparently the emperor isn't doing a good job reinforcing the border either! I figured it wasn't enemy soldiers bowing their heads to Kuuya but I couldn't tell who they were until I looked at their ears. Here's the interesting thing: I never met a civilian population that was so hellbent on world domination as the ones we heard in this scene. They were literally begging for it. Now how often do you hear that?
- I wondered why Kuuya and Hakuoro didn't say anything about the war. They weren't talking about protecting others; they were speaking about how humans aren't perfect and wants someone to depend on. Hakuoro encourages Kuuya to speak with her closest advisors Genjimaru and Sakuya about her worries, if not Hakuoro, b/c she knows she has worries. The biggest portion here is a character development of Hakuoro, where he admits to wanting to be helped by Eruruu - whatever meaning it might carry. But he holds that pronoun in higher regard than anyone else.
- While discussing about the fate of Onkamiyamukai, Genjimaru speaks of Hakuoro and the friendship possibly being broken by attacking the center of all Witsuarunemitea-followers. Kuuya disregards it because she feels alone.
- Hauenkua is ordered to capture Hakuoro, not kill him. But we know how often he likes to bend the rules.

Overall, from what my Japanese friend told me, Kuuya isn't entirely at fault. Leaders represent the masses (or should represent the masses), and it seems like everyone in Kunnekamun is as bloodthirsty as Hauenkua. To say that Kuuya was coersed into launching a war would be an overstatement, but a great percentage of the country was certainly rooting for it.

Additionally, Kuuya seems to be operating on a false impression. Have you ever heard of people forgetting their own advice? The same thing is happening here. She tells herself that she's not alone earlier on, and yet when giving the order to attack the Onkamiyaumkai at the encampemnt, Kuuya believes that they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Well that's children for you. You might say she's a victim of circumstance.

If you reinforce the border with, say, an electric fence (not saying they could do that, but if they sufficiently created a defense grid), they wouldn't have villages in the outer regions of the country fall under attack. And heck, if they were under attack, you should send regional patrol after them, not wait for Kuuya from a thousand miles away!

My friend told me the title for episode 22 is called "The Accursed Contract". Hoho... <winks at Renegade334> gamers will understand what this means... :O

[ccardoso]

Oh, don't worry - if they do follow the game and everything that happens inside, then she'll be at the receiving end of the proverbial stick. Or should I say, giant sequoia trunk-sized club? (I mean, it must happen since it'll introduce something that'll be critical for the last couple of battles - otherwise they'll have to rewrite the ending)

She'll be punished - especially there where it hurts most. 'He who lived by the sword will die by the sword'. Kuuya wanted nothing more than protect her people - you guess the rest.

And, well...
the punishment will be harsh enough to mentally cripple her for the rest of the story. Last time she was seen in the game, she was babbling like a toddler due to the trauma she had incurred.

So her people will be annihilated... well it's fair enough.

[Renegade334]

So her people will be annihilated... well it's fair enough.


Yep - or at least that's I think is going to happen. It took place in the game but I don't know how much of it they'll shear off to make room for drama and action. But I have high hopes on seeing it in the anime, since it's very important for the plot - or later stages of the story.

In the game it was Kunnekamun's capital and its surroundings that got razed to the ground by a weapon known as the Amaterasu cannon - a device that is both seen in the flashback arc and in the final battle since Mutsumi (the entity that sleeps within Kamyuu) is the one who can control it
I wonder if we'll see it in ep22 but at any rate we'll be more enthralled by how Hakuoro will react to Aruruu's predicament (and it will be the stepping stone of ep22, believe me). Let's say that, understandbly, it won't be pretty. But I don't think the anime staff will let Kuuya get off that easily so indeed, I believe they'll go along with what I wrote inside the spoiler tags.

[ccardoso]

Yep - or at least that's I think is going to happen. It took place in the game but I don't know how much of it they'll shear off to make room for drama and action. But I have high hopes on seeing it in the anime, since it's very important for the plot - or later stages of the story.

In the game it was Kunnekamun's capital and its surroundings that got razed to the ground by a weapon known as the Amaterasu cannon - a device that is both seen in the flashback arc and in the final battle since Mutsumi (the entity that sleeps within Kamyuu) is the one who can control it


Is Amateratsu this thing?
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9477/amateratsuwn1.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amateratsuwn1.png)
If yes it is pretty damn powerful... :D



I wonder if we'll see it in ep22 but at any rate we'll be more enthralled by how Hakuoro will react to Aruruu's predicament (and it will be the stepping stone of ep22, believe me). Let's say that, understandbly, it won't be pretty. But I don't think the anime staff will let Kuuya get off that easily so indeed, I believe they'll go along with what I wrote inside the spoiler tags.
Yes of course I want to see Godzilla Hakuoro at this point! :D

[Renegade334]

^ I think, yes, unless it's related to one of the other major events pockmarking the last episodes of UM (since there are two or three things that could have also caused the image you posted (one in the flashback arc and the rest should be in the last eps, back in the present)). But given the size of that big explosion, I'd say 'yes'.
Seeing that we will have a battle between conflicting halves of a certain god, the explosion could have been triggered by that battle - or it could have been a flashback to when the Amaterasu (some sort of satellite cannon built by the remnants of a dwindling Mankind) was first used, quite some time ago (perhaps a few centuries, it's not specified).

All in all, I'd still say, 'yes, it might be that'.

[KaneDragon]

I think absolving Kuuya for what she is done would be the equivelant of absolving Hitler
Haha, Shadow Warriors just got Godwin'ed... Beautiful. :heh:

Surely Karura can put some dents in these things. But then again, they *are* ZOMG ROBOTS so anything goes. Why not throw in the killer satellite from Akira for some additional out-of-the-blue wtf pwnage?

[Darklightz]

I never said Kuuya was to be excused for her crimes,I simply said that people were too harsh in judging her

I"m eager to see when Hakuoro will finally react,he's been way too passive lately.

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Kuuya "Hakuoro!I've come to pwn you!"

Hakuoror "Ha,I'll just sic my harem on you!"

[Kyero Fox]

I think KArura could take down one of those guys.


I did a fanfiction that my character fights them so that the rest of the gang can get away (Yea hes that powerful XD)

[Furudanuki]

Interjection from cold historical perspective....

This whole "war crimes" business is a fairly recent concept in terms of the history of human conflict. And unless there codified rules of war in place, and an entity or organization with both the will and the power to enforce those rules no matter how strong the "criminal" may be, it is a pretty meaningless concept as well. Like it or not, historically there has only been one true "war crime" - it is called "losing". In the end, it is the winning side that writes the history books - and they get to decide who the criminals are.

[Renegade334]

Well, Churchill did say that 'history was written by winners' and indeed, there is no organization or nation selected by ALL countries to act as a higher authority or ruling power to lord over the international interactions and issue decrees on what should be done, what should be condemned and whatnot.

Only Onkamiyamukai came close to that but they chose the role of arbitrator rather than a UN-like expeditionary corps meant to bring peace through 'excessive use of force' (euphemism for 'peace through superior firepower'). They are a mix of the Church (minus the Crusaders/Templars and whatnot) and the Red Cross, not some some overseas military detachment. I don't think they even have a military (they've got magic to make up for it) - their strength lies in the authority Uitsuarunemitea's cult bestowed on them.

To top it off, the Shakukoporus do not fall within Onkamiyamukai's radius of influence but the fact that they relentlessly start killing other people can be considered or viewed as a string of atrocities (I didn't say, 'war crimes') by other nations as a general consensus - be it unspoken and unofficial or not, not some sort of international edict or whatnot. You don't need to be linked to another country by blood, friendship, economy, social standards or mindset to harbor converging thoughts.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Holy shit, all we need is a Bush reference to seal the whole deal. -_-

Let's just hope the rest of the series is exciting and violent.

[Srin Tuar]

Like it or not, historically there has only been one true "war crime" - it is called "losing". In the end, it is the winning side that writes the history books - and they get to decide who the criminals are.


Wow.

Its strange how reading something so simple and common sense strikes me like a breath of fresh air these days.

Strange times we inhabit indeed.

[Guido]

This episode deserve a perfect 10 rating for the excitement, having kept me at the verge of my seat, and showing up the brutality of the slaughtered and the slaughterers consistently with the facts about the trauma of war.

I have never played the game.


Kuuya's attitude I shall judge it ambiguous.

I think she was raised by adults that told her what to think, speak, and learn. She never came in contact with the other face of people: suffering, poverty, desolation, etc.
She enjoyed and lead an advantageous and privileged life without knowing ever about the real world, and she learned from it through the most primitive mean- war.

She thought of war as the path of victory to chastise evildoers, but she and her people are paying the price- the toll of death victims, insecurity, guilt over death and trauma building up.
It's not unreasonable to argue that every country has right to defend its existence, but the power of the mobile armor is consuming them to take all over.

Now a world war sparked from a chain reaction, and the only time that Kuuya actually came with her own judgement turned to be for the worst.

Uniting the razed lands from Kuunekamun's judgement, but from the other countries POV means conquest and a clear sign of war.


The music was enchanting and mystic, in particular the chorus song that has a characteristic, Yuki Kajiura-esque feeling within it.


Dii whatever he's up to after blanking out the Onmukai Yamukai sorceress must be involved with Hakuoro and the beast, and Dii is longing for chaos

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Not exactly right Guido. Kuuya (and the rest of her race) was taught (and even witnessed) that the rest of the world is brutal, cruel and dark--and worshipped a wicked god, Witsuarunemitea. So they believe that conquering the whole world was a good thing for their people.

Of course anyone with half a brain would realize that peace through annihilating the rest of the world is--a bit much, to put it delicately. I don't think even the biggest war nut around here *points at self* wants to immolate the vast majority of humanity for a little bit of peace.

[Lost]

Mmm.. Watching episodes 20/21 back to back, I dont know whether to like it or not. Episode 20 was enjoyable at least, with realistic development on Kamyu; plus humour with Sakuya.

As for the events leading up to Avu Kamuu and episode 21, I don't think I liked it at all. Its so obvious that Kuuya is being manipulated. (What an ass.) Is it supposed to be that obvious to the viewer? Its killing the fun.

But I think what’s really bugging me is that things are moving too fast for me. Its good that they are picking up pace, and I know I wanted some action; but this is like accelerating to 0-150mph in 12.8 seconds in a Mclaren F1. Abit of a shock, if you get what I mean; that the transition from all cool to all out war was too fast -> again, and where I think this series fails, too much, in too little time.

Its just like travelling in a bullet-train at full speed, how much less detail can be seen of the countryside close by, you only see clearly the faraway landscapes/details, and even those just whoosh by sooner or later. That’s pretty much the feeling I'm left with now.

Last ranting point; Kuuya wasn’t all that convincing in making her decision to "unite" all the land. Half-assed excuses and lame reasoning. WTH. Maybe that’s just how her character is like; and not a fault of the staffers. But honestly, it'll be nice if they paid more detail to it, fleshed out her motivations, give her a TANGIBLE motivation to fight, and not just because she wants to end the suffering of her faraway people by creating suffering faraway.

On a positive note, I would like to see Karura vs. Avu Kammu.

[zalas]

Last ranting point; Kuuya wasn’t all that convincing in making her decision to "unite" all the land. Half-assed excuses and lame reasoning. WTH. Maybe that’s just how her character is like; and not a fault of the staffers. But honestly, it'll be nice if they paid more detail to it, fleshed out her motivations, give her a TANGIBLE motivation to fight, and not just because she wants to end the suffering of her faraway people by creating suffering faraway.
It fits fine if you treat her as a child. You know how easily children can be manipulated into thinking certain things...

[dxanato]

It in episode 17 on the second meeting with Kuuya that she tell she does not like to be seen as weak. It the reason she wore the mask so people wouldn't see her as little girl who is weak. This something that is play out that she weak and would do rash this to prove she not weak like going to war.

[Lost]

It fits fine if you treat her as a child. You know how easily children can be manipulated into thinking certain things...
That sadly shows a lack of creative thought on the writer's part to give us a better reason than just that she was a child emperor. :( Yeah, one of those Anime-things to just accept I guess. :heh:

It in episode 17 on the second meeting with Kuuya that she tell she does not like to be seen as weak. It the reason she wore the mask so people wouldn't see her as little girl who is weak. This something that is play out that she weak and would do rash this to prove she not weak like going to war.
Good point, quite possible. Sad really. Anyhow, which reminds me. Why is she suddenly appearing without her mask? I forgot about that. Didnt she wear that mask all the time, even at court?

[Xellos-_^]

That sadly shows a lack of creative thought on the writer's part to give us a better reason than just that she was a child emperor. :( Yeah, one of those Anime-things to just accept I guess. :heh:




Why is it a lack of creative? There have been lots of child emperor/rulers in History. Most have been worst then Kuuya by miles.

[Lost]

It's just too convenient for me. I shouldnt have to justify like that.

[Shinova]

It's just too convenient for me. I shouldnt have to justify like that.

Justifications are rarely convenient, to say.

[Lost]

You missed my point. Her acting that way just because she's a child is too convenient (and not convenient on MINE part, but I meant a convenient addition of the writers; "oh okay, we'll just allow it to look like shes doing this because she's a child), so people have to justify it; i.e. think up of reasons outside the show, e.g. "There have been child emperors like that". I dont want to do that. I want the show to give me at least a clue, a leaning; and not make me try to justify/rationalise the actions of the characters on my own, because then, if I have to justify for and think up of reasons why the characters acted the way they did without any clue from the show, the show fails in portraying and fleshing out their characters well.

If they had connected her acting that way because she wants to prove herself like dxanato said, I wouldn't mind, because thats realistic. But not just because shes a child and easily mislead.

You know, them doing this really feels that they are trying to preserve her innocence, show that its not really her fault; so that she can join Hakuoro's harem later and live happily ever after.

[Xellos-_^]

You missed my point. Her acting that way just because she's a child is too convenient (and not convenient on MINE part, but I meant a convenient addition of the writers; "oh okay, we'll just allow it to look like shes doing this because she's a child), so people have to justify it; i.e. think up of reasons outside the show, e.g. "There have been child emperors like that". I dont want to do that. I want the show to give me at least a clue, a leaning; and not make me try to justify/rationalise the actions of the characters on my own, because then, if I have to justify for and think up of reasons why the characters acted the way they did without any clue from the show, the show fails in portraying and fleshing out their characters well.

If they had connected her acting that way because she wants to prove herself like dxanato said, I wouldn't mind, because thats realistic. But not just because shes a child and easily mislead.

But a child is easliy mislead. How is that not realistic?

Child Rulers who are strong and secure in themselves are the exception rather then the rule and I would consider that unrealistic if Kuuya was one of those.

Child Rulers who are insecure and easliy mislead are much more real acoording to history.

[dxanato]

If remember correctly the last Empero of China is good example of little kid who is power. Adults in his life took advantage of his naive nature and use to their advanatage to gain wealth and power. In the process it pretty much end monarch reign of China.

[Lost]

Which is easier to write; say that its a child and so she's misled, or to think up of something in herself that is motivating her and causing her to act that way? But which shows more development of character? Which shows more depth?

Lol, I'm sorry, I didnt mean that that(child emperor and all) is not realistic, but like I said in the previous sentence, which is easier to believe?


<me go sleep first>

[Renegade334]

It think it'd have been somewhat more realistic for her to have a regent or some sort of governor act as interim ruler or prime minister in her behalf till she gets the crown. Children are indeed quite easy to manipulate and the court will probably be the first to catch on that fact and try to exploit it to its advantage.

I'd understand if Kuuya trusted nobody to take her stead when it comes to ruling a country or if traditions prevented a spokesperson/prime minister from stepping in and relieving her from the unneeded stress, but, well, I gotta admit that although it sounds strange for me, the staff did a good job on portraying a situation in which a child-king/queen would be pitted in. The way she reacted or behaved, however, is another thing to debate on.

[saravis]

She speaks to Hakuoro like a child with an adult, almost in an uncle-like sort and not like a fellow leader. In her one conversation she had spoken of her victor like a childish braggart. She had admitted she had never experienced a battle prior to her defeat of the leader. Finally, when it came close to convincing her to "unify" she had wished Genji was around to help. She is a child, unable to make decisions for herself, unable to understand the necessary processes of diplomacy. If you base her decisions on motivation, then why is she attacking Tsukuru shortly after having a friendly conversation with Hakuoro. She has no tactics, basing her attacks solely on brute force. She is an inexperienced child who does not understand conflict.(Just because a few nations are against her, she thinks every nation is against her.)

Although, I do have to say for all this I do not excuse her actions, she should experience the consequences for declaring war on the entire world. Even though she is easily manipulated, she should still be able to understand the repercussions for her decisions.

Finally, concerning the war crimes topic, it isn't always who is the winner and who is the loser, but the publications who determine that. Probably not relevant to the topic, but I thought I just might add that.

[dxanato]

It sad that Kuuya only has a true honest advisor within her circle. The other two has different goal and both deal with been a war.

[Grey]

She speaks to Hakuoro like a child with an adult, almost in an uncle-like sort and not like a fellow leader. In her one conversation she had spoken of her victor like a childish braggart.I've noticed a few mention that she was boastful and bragging, but I disagree. It seemed to be all an act to me. A lot of things suggested it: her horror after killing Kanhorudari; the 'upset/saddened' tilt of her eyebrows when she was 'bragging'; her laughter that sounded so obviously forced; her realization that 'Hakuoro understood' and her complete turnabout in position (gloating to grief); her later comment that 'he'd made her vulnerable'; her being grossed out at the later battlefield.

In Kuuya's position, she's undoubtedly been under constant pressure to be 'strong' as a young ruler (see: why she wore a mask). Her 'gloating' was putting on her 'strong' act. After Hakuoro stopped her, she realized she didn't have to act for him and she expressed her honest feelings (remorse, guilt, horror). Her 'vulnerability' line makes it clear that this is not common she can drop her 'strong ruler' act.

Hakuoro has been displaying a notable amount of sympathy towards her; if he seriously thought she enjoyed slaughtering her enemies I doubt he'd have stayed so silent. We would have heard more criticisms.

Kuuya can't say it's wonderful how she crushed Kanhorudari and his army, and also say that it was a horrible feeling killing them. If you watch her, it's clear her bragging was BS.

[C.A.]

Indeed Kuuya was hiding her weakness from Hakuoro.

But one cannot deny that Kuuya is not someone who can be a leader, she has no qualities for leadership at all.

[PGilis]

My thoughts on this episode:

KUUYA!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!! :mad:

My God, she is all into "Bush-mode", trying to conquest all the other countries bringing peace for her people destroying everyone else? She can't see she's not being better than those who atacked her country doing so? Why she didn't tried to make agreements or peace pacts first?

Still, i don't think she had much of a choice... it's obvious she was being manipulated from the very start, like all the other countries as well. Aparently, it's all that Dii's and the blue-haired-gayish-Dilandau-bunny 's doing. :(

And now she's acting even against Hakuoro? Why she chose just the Dilandau-bunny instead the spiked-haird-bunny? She don't know he will 'make a mistake' again and accidentally kill everybody?

'Bring Hakuoro to me', she said. Does she want a new toy in her jail or in her bedroom? :p

I think the producers are rushing the things too much in order to finish the series soon. We could see this arc in more details, using more two or three episodes.

On a side note, anyone else here is thinking that blue-hair-gayish-Dilandau bunny and the spiked-hair bunny sleep toghether? :heh:

[Lost]

On a side note, anyone else here is thinking that blue-hair-gayish-Dilandau bunny and the spiked-hair bunny sleep toghether? :heh:
Not really, I doubt spiked-hair would want to sleep with him. Rather, I was actually wondering if blue-grayish hair was male or female.

[PGilis]

The only thing i want to know is when this gayish psycho will be killed in the most gruesome, painful way ever. For all he did, he deserves to die in a very very bad way. :mad:

I want to see Mukkuru eating him alive or Karura dismembering him, veeery slowly.

If was not for him (and Dii), Kuuya would never fell so far in the dark side, in such desperation.

[Deathkillz]

^ /second ;)

but to be honest kuuya is a bit childish to be malipulated like that...i think shes very insacure

[Cardiac Glycoside]

A better parallel for all of Kunnekamun is [the greater part of the world's perception of] Israel.

Even before the Holocaust, the Jews got a lot of shit from the rest of the world because of differences in religion and other things. Parallel--the Shakukoporu worship a different god than the rest of the nations and were thus persecuted. Then, this tribe was granted a greater power than anything else seen in the world. Similarly, the Israelis military is/was technologically light years away from their immediate neighbors. Both were able to kick their enemies' asses despite their minority status.

The difference, in my POV, is that Kunnekamun, unlike Israel, seeks a coldly "logical" solution to their problems. "Logically" speaking, in order to gain security, both must invade and kill their enemies until none are left. Perhaps I am naive, but from what I gather from Israeli blogs I read, Israelis do not what to annhiliate Arabs.

So I think Israel is a better comparison due to the centuries-long oppression both have suffered. (Off the record, I do not support the Iraqi Adventure, but for different, more antiquated reasons than those given by a typical Hollywooder or European).