Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[Narona]

Yeah, Rolo was acknowledged by Lelouch as brother of Lelouch Lamperouge after all. I don't think Lelouch hated him to the core. Perhaps, it could occur when Lelouch dug his grave. PD7 is coming soon. It wouldn't be too long a wait.
It's my personnal opinion, but in the end, I think Lelouch didn't hate a lot of people. He made up with Suzaku, he acknowledged Rolo as his "lamperouge" brother. And I am even not sure that he hated Ougi and co. About that last point, not only Lelouch forgave them imo, since we can see Gino, Kallen, Nina etc etc at Ougi and Villetta's wedding.

Or they are completely stupid to attend (and smile at) the marriage of people they dislike/hate.

[Pink-chan]

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic :heh:

Yeah, I don't think Lelouch hate them. He knew everyone was fighting for their future and he gave them one. It is just sad that Ohgi and co betrayed him. Lelouch didn't even use his Geass on them for his purpose. Lelouch seems to be reproaching himself for what had happened due to his action. Lelouch wished for happiness for everyone and he sacrifice his own happiness for them. If Lelouch hates them, he wouldn't have done what he had.

I don't know if Lelouch and Suzaku had really made up despite their interaction in the Mutuality stories. Their bonds had exceeded the level of friendship. Does Suzaku really know about Lelouch's accidental geassing on Euphie? Lelouch isn't the type who will bother to explain. What was done was done, no point explaining. Suzaku probably understand this side of Lelouch despite wanting to know the truth. They finally reached a common ground, there is no more words needed between them. They had understood each other completely.

[Levy]

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic :heh:

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Rivalz and Milly were at Villetta's wedding because she has been their teacher, like Lloyd and Cécile were there because she was an acquaintance of them from school. Villetta happened to marry Ohgi, and there the britannians met also with the rest of the BK gang....

If you have a sad memory of yours, you do not wave that in pubblic. I doubt Rivalz and Milly waved the sadness of having lost their dear friend at Ohgi and Villetta's wedding. Instead, they just learn to know some people, the japanese, they did not even had a chance to met in the everyday life of old Area11 and learn, apparently, to get along well with them.

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

[Pink-chan]

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Rivalz and Milly were at Villetta's wedding because she has been their teacher, like Lloyd and Cécile were there because she was an acquaitance of them from school. Villetta happened to marry Ohgi, and there the britannias met also with the rest of the BK gang....

If you have a sad memory of yours, you do not wave that in pubblic. I doubt Rivalz and Milly most probably wave the sadness of having lost their dear friend at Ohgi and Villetta's wedding. Instead, they just learn to know some people, the japanese, they did not even had a chance to met in the everyday life of old Area11and learn, and apparently get along well with them.

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

Aha! I guess I'm really too tired to think. I totally forgotten that Viletta was their teacher :meh:. Rivalz and Tamaki will certainly get along.

[Eliarine]

It's my personnal opinion, but in the end, I think Lelouch didn't hate a lot of people. He made up with Suzaku, he acknowledged Rolo as his "lamperouge" brother. And I am even not sure that he hated Ougi and co. About that last point, not only Lelouch forgave them imo, since we can see Gino, Kallen, Nina etc etc at Ougi and Villetta's wedding.

I completely agree. Lelouch really didn't hate a lot of people in the end.

One of the nicest part of Code was for me te message of hope, the diffidence and hatred that was previously preventing people from the japanese and britannian side to even get to know each other that Lelouch's tyranny and death blow away. Might be a Disney movie ending and such, but I personally liked that and the message in it.

Y-Yes. This.

the rest of your post I mostly agree with, and I guess Suzaku and Lelouch had silently made up before the last stage of ZR.

I-I guess they did, too. And, and...brb, crying ;_;

[Narona]

I wonder how people of the separated group, not even related with one another to come together? Like how Rivalz acquainted with Ohgi and co. perhaps through Kallen. Like you said why are they even at the wedding? Are they gathered together as the hatred are all directed at Lelouch? Everyone hates the same guy and they have that as their common topic :heh:
I think they enjoy the peace, more than discussing Lelouch's actions ^^, and as pointed by Levy, Villetta was the teacher of the Ashford gang :D

Yeah, I don't think Lelouch hate them. He knew everyone was fighting for their future and he gave them one. It is just sad that Ohgi and co betrayed him. Lelouch didn't even use his Geass on them for his purpose. Lelouch seems to be reproaching himself for what had happened due to his action. Lelouch wished for happiness for everyone and he sacrifice his own happiness for them. If Lelouch hates them, he wouldn't have done what he had.
Exactly. For a change, happy to see at least one person agreeing with me on that matter :) :kisskiss:

I don't know if Lelouch and Suzaku had really made up despite their interaction in the Mutuality stories. Their bonds had exceeded the level of friendship. Does Suzaku really know about Lelouch's accidental geassing on Euphie? Lelouch isn't the type who will bother to explain. What was done was done, no point explaining. Suzaku probably understand this side of Lelouch despite wanting to know the truth. They finally reached a common ground, there is no more words needed between them. They had understood each other completely.
You might be right. Whatever the reason, the one who shot Euphie is Lelouch so it would not have changed anything ^^

[blottyparchment]

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

World End - Suzaku

The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.



O2 - Shirley

Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally

I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)


This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

Before everything began, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by your subordinates.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

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poems that blotty provided etc.etc.etc.

Thanks a million blotty and whoever helped you or something.
Interesting poems and man, Shirley's line about the glass, was really epic ~
Suzaku's was great as well, Nunally's did not touch me to be honest {as for "incest", can't blame her, she saw her sexy brother all grown up after so many years |DDDD} like i expected and C.C's was..peculiar. Have to re-read them again ~

[though i wish there was a bit of more romance somewhere, but lol]

[blottyparchment]

Thanks a million blotty and whoever helped you or something.
Interesting poems and man, Shirley's line about the glass, was really epic ~
Suzaku's was great as well, Nunally's did not touch me to be honest {as for "incest", can't blame her, she saw her sexy brother all grown up after so many years |DDDD} like i expected and C.C's was..peculiar. Have to re-read them again ~

[though i wish there was a bit of more romance somewhere, but lol]
I actually liked Nunnally's poem. LOL, maybe I didn't do it enough justice? The bit about cherishing everything dearly. Yes, C.C.'s poem is almost dark, which is why I can see how some 2chers are complaining.

[Nobodyman9]

O2 - Shirley

In the morning and even in the evening, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.
*sniff* Beautiful :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: ...Shirley

[azul120]

You might be right. Whatever the reason, the one who shot Euphie is Lelouch so it would not have changed anything ^^

Except of course whether Suzaku came to know that Lelouch actually intended to cooperate with Euphie, and that the Geass was accidental. In other words, that Lelouch held her as close to his heart as Suzaku did.

Thanks for the translations, blottyparchment.

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I actually liked Nunnally's poem. LOL, maybe I didn't do it enough justice? The bit about cherishing everything dearly. Yes, C.C.'s poem is almost dark, which is why I can see how some 2chers are complaining.

Haha, i did not say that i did not like it. xD
It is just, i don't know, Kallen's poem unexpectedly touched me the most among the rest, maybe because it was not focused only on her love for Lelouch, but had the part about her life-discarding at some point. {though that had relevance to Lelouch as well but still..} Family-bonds usually touch me more than romantic ones, but this time, ah, Nunally failed i guess? Or Kallen's was so much emotional. I don;t know how to explain it. {maybe it was the fact it was posted first, idk}

C.C's is a bit dark, i will admit that. It is like, sadistic and yet not. It is peculiar, i mean, till we get full translation with all the lines {not that i imply you have not done a great work, thanks a bunch again} i might have to hold my opinion about it.

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

[Nobodyman9]

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.
Leave it to moi :D

[blottyparchment]

C.C's is a bit dark, i will admit that. It is like, sadistic and yet not. It is peculiar, i mean, till we get full translation with all the lines {not that i imply you have not done a great work, thanks a bunch again} i might have to hold my opinion about it.

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

LOL. As I've said, even C.C.'s poem is being difficult with me and it had to be the first poem I tackled after Kallen's. It might be good to see other people's takes on the poem, but we have to wait a bit more until the scans get posted.

Go ahead, copypasta Shirley's poem and you might as well throw in Nunnally's, since it takes the cake for line-enders ("I love you.").

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LOL. As I've said, even C.C.'s poem is being difficult with me and it had to be the first poem I tackled after Kallen's. It might be good to see other people's takes on the poem, but we have to wait a bit more until the scans get posted.

Well, it IS C.C afterall, she has the weirdest and most philosophical monologues during the series, her poem would be no different, that is for sure.
I like a lot the title of her poem btw.

[azul120]

Which LJ has Rolo's poem translated?

[Nogitsune]

Omg, I love the poems. q.q

*hugs Suzaku* I especially like the "because you are crude" part. They are just so... aw!
And the title of C.C.'s one... *gives her a hug, too*

Thanks for sharing. *-*

[Narona]

I like a lot the title of her poem btw.
Same here. I LOVE the title :heh: :love:

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

World End - Suzaku

The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.



O2 - Shirley

Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally

I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)


This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

Thanks a lot to you and Miss Pink-chan :kisskiss: . Still can't rep you at the moment though. Well, as you said, Nunnally's poem sounds incestuous :uhoh: . Well... I should not be surprised since Lelouch also "loved" Euphie <_<

>_>

I also love Suzaku and C.C.'s poems :) . There was also a Rivalz and Milly's poem, no ? I chuckled when I read that (IIRC) "they hope lelouch is still alive, somewhere" XD.

Suzaku also seems to say that the dead people go to the world of C. So World of C is the afterlife after all? :)

I posted the line from C.C.'s poem there: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2165882#post2165882

I didn't know there was such a thread on AS. Gonna post some other sentences from code geass materials there :nod:

[Pink-chan]

I had just added in scans Ms Blotty had translated for us. Thank you Ms Blotty!

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

World End - Suzaku
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The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.



O2 - Shirley
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Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally
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I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)


This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.
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From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

[Lolipopo]

Hmm I didn't really saw Nunally's poem as incestuous, it gave me more of a feeling of a mature Nunally; She seems to have really grown up in this poem and is no more talking to Lelouch as his sweet and little sister; More as his sister who had to path through really hard moments.

That's why I think her love for him seems there more mature, I don't feel this as somthing incestuous. It's a really beautiful poem anyway, it really makes me crave for a last Kallen/Nunnally interaction in the last PD.

About CC's one I don't feel it as sadistic, more as a way to show us how Lelouch heals her without she really noticed that. Thus the "she felts better while his wounds were deeper"; Though in a way, to be happy to see him sharing her loneliness while it hurts him can be seen as kinda twisted. But well I don't think the point was really there.
Nice poem but I'm kinda disappointed, I was hoping for something better, or more emotional. (In a way where she could have spoke about what he gave to her, for the future, I would have liked it)

Shirley's well...sad. Like I said in the romance thread, this line "Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands." as always been my feeling about Shirley/Lulu so I'm even more touched by the line since it was the feeling I get. But well it's even more sad.

Suzaku's one is nice too, even if like CC's I was maybe waiting for something deeper who really talked about him, but it's still fine like that. The "no longer cry" reminds me someone, and the poem gives me a really nice Athrun/Kira vibes.

BTW the choice of the pics took my attention; I can't help but think it doesn't fit very well with the poems; But that's maybe because I first saw Kallen's one which was sad and fit with her frail and closed face.

It seems those are finally more of pics to reminds the start of CG finally. A sort of contrast with those ending poems.

Kallen and Nunally's = Favorite. Though the famous Shirley's line made me really like the thing, Those two really touch me, maybe because Kallen is my favourite character and I loved those sad thoughts about her past (Shame on you CG staff for have never explained her BG >_<) as well as the whole thing about Lelouch and because I loved how Nunally was expressing her love in such a mature way. Anyway those two are awesome.
As usual, Thanks for your work Blotty.

[incorrupts]

About CC's one I don't feel it as sadistic, more as a way to show us how Lelouch heals her without she really noticed that. Thus the "she felts better while his wounds were deeper"; Though in a way, to be happy to see him sharing her loneliness while it hurts him can be seen as kinda twisted. But well I don't think the point was really there.
Nice poem but I'm kinda disappointed, I was hoping for something better, or more emotional. (In a way where she could have spoke about what he gave to her, for the future, I would have liked it)

It is twisted. And it is on character to be like this, i mean, afterall, C.C is not a "normal" person. She has been treated like witch in the past and has being going on for decades experiencing solitude and loneliness.
So, seeing Lelouch suffering, is healing for her, for the reasons she states on the poem. On one hand, the "human-ish", this can be seen as bad and sadistic.

On the other hand, the not-so-human-ish, taking into account C.C's past and stuff, and i think this is the point of the whole "twisted" concept i mentioned, is that she found a "companion" to share this suffering and burden. Someone equal. And i also think, this is the theme of C.CxLelouch relationship as well. From both sides.

Btw, i just saw the pictures, i can't say i really like the choice for most of them. Kallen's was certainly the best one, captivated the bitterness of her poem. The other ones, are kinda, out of it, if i can say this.

[Narona]

I had a little discussion with someone on MSN, about Suzaku's poem.

So I also ask the question here: What do you think the World of C is?

Is it how they call the afterlife in Code Geass? Or only the people in relation to Geass go there?

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

I had a little discussion with someone on MSN, about Suzaku's poem.

So I also ask the question here: What do you think the World of C is?

Is it how they call the afterlife in Code Geass? Or only the people in relation to Geass go there?

Well since the show ended I've been thinking of it as a realm where the will of mankind is projected. Not necessarily an afterlife.

[Narona]

Well since the show ended I've been thinking of it as a realm where the will of mankind is projected. Not necessarily an afterlife.
What bugs me is that line from Suzaku

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?
He seems to see the World of C as a place where Lelouch went when he died. And that the Lelouch he knew is there now.

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

What bugs me is that line from Suzaku


He seems to see the World of C as a place where Lelouch went when he died. And that the Lelouch he knew is there now.

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

Well if it is an afterlife I believe that its probably only for users of Geass.

[incorrupts]

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

Haha, Lelouch would go to heaven then? xD [unless he IS God afterall |D}

Srsly now, i don;t know for sure, it seems the world of C is a complicated complex kind of thing.
My closest interpretation is what GuidoHunter_Toki mentioned.

In the ZR-explaining scenes, Suzaku told Lelouch ::
"in the world of C, we learned that people do wish for tomorrow"
People that are "dead" can't wish no more. So i say, it is more of place, collecting the thoughts and wishes of people.

[Sonae]

I love these poems! Where's Rolo's? I'm trying to track it down but I can't find it!

[Nogitsune]

I love these poems! Where's Rolo's? I'm trying to track it down but I can't find it!

http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/tag/translation:others

If you scroll down, it's the fifth entry, I think. o.o


I was a bit disappointed that Rolo's poem apparently doesn't differ much from his character song...
But it's still cute. *hugs*

[Sonae]

Omg! ;_; I love it!

[Narona]

Haha, Lelouch would go to heaven then? xD [unless he IS God afterall |D}

Srsly now, i don;t know for sure, it seems the world of C is a complicated complex kind of thing.
My closest interpretation is what GuidoHunter_Toki mentioned.

In the ZR-explaining scenes, Suzaku told Lelouch ::
"in the world of C, we learned that people do wish for tomorrow"
People that are "dead" can't wish no more. So i say, it is more of place, collecting the thoughts and wishes of people.
Well, what I dislike about the Collective Unconsciousness (you're talking about that, right? :heh: ) in code geass is that it seems to be one antity.

I personally like to think that in the world of C, Lelouch is still Lelouch. But it's more a preference than an opinion based on the show itself....

But I could be wrong. In that scene from Turn 15, who are those people/masks who are talking to Lelouch? Dead people from the World of C / Collective Unconsciousness?

http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/tag/translation:others

If you scroll down, it's the fifth entry, I think. o.o


I was a bit disappointed that Rolo's poem apparently doesn't differ much from his character song...
But it's still cute. *hugs*Do you know where I could find Rivalz/Milly's poem? ^o^ (translated of course)

[Nogitsune]

Well, what I dislike about the Collective Unconsciousness (you're talking about that, right? :heh: ) in code geass is that it seems to be one antity.

I personally like to think that in the world of C, Lelouch is still Lelouch. But it's more a preference than an opinion based on the show itself....

*nods her head to that*

But I could be wrong. In that scene from Turn 15, who are those people/masks who are talking to Lelouch? Dead people from the World of C / Collective Unconsciousness?

Actually, I never thought much of them... they were jus there. And I don't think the staff ever elaborated on that.

Do you know where I could find Rivalz/Milly's poem? ^o^ (translated of course)

Sorry, I'm looking for that myself.
Maybe it hasn't beeen translated yet?
Anyway, if someone has it somewhere... I'll give them an epic hug. xD

I want Rivalz and Milly! q.q
*hugs them*

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

But I could be wrong. In that scene from Turn 15, who are those people/masks who are talking to Lelouch? Dead people from the World of C / Collective Unconsciousness?

C.C. describes the World of C to Suzaku as a collective unconsciousness, an assembly of hearts and memories, and a sea of metempsychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis). She also says that humans are masks worn by the collective unconsciousness. I believe thats what the masks are there to symbolize.

[incorrupts]

Well, what I dislike about the Collective Unconsciousness (you're talking about that, right? :heh: ) in code geass is that it seems to be one antity.

I personally like to think that in the world of C, Lelouch is still Lelouch. But it's more a preference than an opinion based on the show itself....


I can't be sure, more like because, there were not clear answers about it. Not shown enough for this part of the story.
I was under the impression that in episode 15, those thoughts and stuff, were more of a metaphor/symbolism rather than a real/used-to be entity. Thoughts-elevators, or something like this.
It is complicated, can't really approach it much to be honest.

[Nobodyman9]

C.C. describes the World of C to Suzaku as a collective unconsciousness, an assembly of hearts and memories, and a sea of metempsychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis). She also says that humans are masks worn by the collective unconsciousness. I believe thats what the masks are there to symbolize.
Wait, if it's a sea of metempsychosis, then doesn't that more or less prove that reincarnation does exist in the geass world?

[incorrupts]

Wait, if it's a sea of metempsychosis, then doesn't that more or less prove that reincarnation does exist in the geass world?

Well, i think that it was not meant in the literal sense. Metempsychosis is a complicated thing, trust me i study things like this. {supposed lulz}
There was no evidence, to actually support this theory within the series, nor a clear denial, if C.C said that. {? can't really remember it here}
It is just there i guess.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Wait, if it's a sea of metempsychosis, then doesn't that more or less prove that reincarnation does exist in the geass world?

While reincarnation somewhat defines metempsychosis its not the complete concept. Metemphyscosis is better defined by the concept of transmigration of the soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmigration_of_the_soul) which is similer to reincarnation, but not the same.

[Frostfire]

Wait, if it's a sea of metempsychosis, then doesn't that more or less prove that reincarnation does exist in the geass world?

In the idea put forth by C.C. and Charles, I would say yes, but not exactly. Once a person becomes a part of the World of C, they are absorbed by it and they lose their individuality. The person that was no longer is, but an idea of them can exist for a new mask to fill but the original would be gone. This is what Charles and Marianne's plan was bad, it demolished the boundaries between people and would have made everyone one.

Its a world devoid of lies, love, and feelings. Therefore there are no singular entities, just collections of wholes. There is no shown ability to speak to the dead, and yet there is a plot hole in Charles' conversation with Clovis, unless that was something that was also dropped because it goes in direct conflict with what Charles says as he dies and with his plans in general.

So a mask can be resurected, but the original entitiy, no.

[Nogitsune]

There is no shown ability to speak to the dead, and yet there is a plot hole in Charles' conversation with Clovis, unless that was something that was also dropped because it goes in direct conflict with what Charles says as he dies and with his plans in general.

So a mask can be resurected, but the original entitiy, no.

I still wonder if Charles actually talked to Clovis or was simply losing it.
I mean, I really can't imagine how that would have went.
"Oh, father? Really nice to see you... what do you mean, 'dead people aren't supposed to lie'? Oh well. Did I mention that my beloved little brother shot me through the head? It was kind of messy... Anyway. Give him a hug from me if you see him, yes?"

...Damn, I'm such a fangirl.
I would have loved to see that. xD

[Nobodyman9]

Well, i think that it was not meant in the literal sense. Metempsychosis is a complicated thing, trust me i study things like this. {supposed lulz}
There was no evidence, to actually support this theory within the series, nor a clear denial, if C.C said that. {? can't really remember it here}
It is just there i guess.


While reincarnation somewhat defines metempsychosis its not the complete concept. Metemphyscosis is better defined by the concept of transmigration of the soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmigration_of_the_soul) which is similer to reincarnation, but not the same.

In the idea put forth by C.C. and Charles, I would say yes, but not exactly. Once a person becomes a part of the World of C, they are absorbed by it and they lose their individuality. The person that was no longer is, but an idea of them can exist for a new mask to fill but the original would be gone. This is what Charles and Marianne's plan was bad, it demolished the boundaries between people and would have made everyone one.

Its a world devoid of lies, love, and feelings. Therefore there are no singular entities, just collections of wholes. There is no shown ability to speak to the dead, and yet there is a plot hole in Charles' conversation with Clovis, unless that was something that was also dropped because it goes in direct conflict with what Charles says as he dies and with his plans in general.

So a mask can be resurected, but the original entitiy, no.
Thank you all for your input. I'm still not sure I understand the difference between reincarnation and transmigration (they sound pretty much the same to me) but I'll figure that out on my own time.

[Cosmic Eagle]

C.C. describes the World of C to Suzaku as a collective unconsciousness, an assembly of hearts and memories, and a sea of metempsychosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis). She also says that humans are masks worn by the collective unconsciousness. I believe thats what the masks are there to symbolize.

Sounds like a kiddy version of the Warp.

[Cosmic Eagle]

In the idea put forth by C.C. and Charles, I would say yes, but not exactly. Once a person becomes a part of the World of C, they are absorbed by it and they lose their individuality. The person that was no longer is, but an idea of them can exist for a new mask to fill but the original would be gone. This is what Charles and Marianne's plan was bad, it demolished the boundaries between people and would have made everyone one.

Its a world devoid of lies, love, and feelings. Therefore there are no singular entities, just collections of wholes. There is no shown ability to speak to the dead, and yet there is a plot hole in Charles' conversation with Clovis, unless that was something that was also dropped because it goes in direct conflict with what Charles says as he dies and with his plans in general.

So a mask can be resurected, but the original entitiy, no.

So... You're saying the sentient soul is destroyed? Then where did the soul come from in the first place? Aren't the so called "gods" merely a psychic sea of unconsciousness?

[Charred Knight]

Reading the poems am I the only person who gets the feeling the entire cast wanted to have sex with Lelouch towards the end?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Haha, i did not say that i did not like it. xD
It is just, i don't know, Kallen's poem unexpectedly touched me the most among the rest, maybe because it was not focused only on her love for Lelouch, but had the part about her life-discarding at some point. {though that had relevance to Lelouch as well but still..} Family-bonds usually touch me more than romantic ones, but this time, ah, Nunally failed i guess? Or Kallen's was so much emotional. I don;t know how to explain it. {maybe it was the fact it was posted first, idk}

C.C's is a bit dark, i will admit that. It is like, sadistic and yet not. It is peculiar, i mean, till we get full translation with all the lines {not that i imply you have not done a great work, thanks a bunch again} i might have to hold my opinion about it.

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

Well if you think about it, C.C's poem basically reflects hers and Lulu's lives.

[youngde]

In the idea put forth by C.C. and Charles, I would say yes, but not exactly. Once a person becomes a part of the World of C, they are absorbed by it and they lose their individuality. The person that was no longer is, but an idea of them can exist for a new mask to fill but the original would be gone. This is what Charles and Marianne's plan was bad, it demolished the boundaries between people and would have made everyone one.

Its a world devoid of lies, love, and feelings. Therefore there are no singular entities, just collections of wholes. There is no shown ability to speak to the dead, and yet there is a plot hole in Charles' conversation with Clovis, unless that was something that was also dropped because it goes in direct conflict with what Charles says as he dies and with his plans in general.

So a mask can be resurected, but the original entitiy, no.

Does anyone else kinda get a lifestream from FF VII vibe from the World of C. (or am I just old? How old where most of you when FF VII came out? Like 8 or 10?) :p

[incorrupts]

Reading the poems am I the only person who gets the feeling the entire cast wanted to have sex with Lelouch towards the end?

Might actually be the case. But it does not really matter, because Lelouch only showed sexual-drumroll mood towards Kallen, so yeah.

@youngde:: I was nine when it came out in Greece, it was when i fell in love with RPGs. {and games in general lulz}

[Frostfire]

So... You're saying the sentient soul is destroyed? Then where did the soul come from in the first place? Aren't the so called "gods" merely a psychic sea of unconsciousness?

The sentient soul was defined by the mask it wore, when you take away the mask, then the sentient soul would lose individuality and become a part of the greater whole. Charles would not think he was dying if his absorption into the World of C when Lelouch defeats him, did not destroy his identity.

Think of it as a cups of water, inside their cups the water has the form of whatever the cup is. If the cups break and all the water rushes out, then you just have a giant, undistiguishable mess. You can refill the cups with the water, but its not going to be the same water. It will be a mixture of all the water.

[Cosmic Eagle]

The sentient soul was defined by the mask it wore, when you take away the mask, then the sentient soul would lose individuality and become a part of the greater whole. Charles would not think he was dying if his absorption into the World of C when Lelouch defeats him, did not destroy his identity.

Think of it as a cups of water, inside their cups the water has the form of whatever the cup is. If the cups break and all the water rushes out, then you just have a giant, undistiguishable mess. You can refill the cups with the water, but its not going to be the same water. It will be a mixture of all the water.

So that then begs the question if the World of C is a sea of human consciousness, where then did it come from? And how is it linked to Geass?

[Frostfire]

So that then begs the question if the World of C is a sea of human consciousness, where then did it come from? And how is it linked to Geass?

One of the many unanswered "What?" of Code Geass.

[Pink-chan]

I heard that Rivalz and Milly's poem is rather touching, hence, I had my hands on deciphering it. As compared to poems of many other characters, this is not too difficult for my level, I guess :meh:. Of course, please feel free to correct my mistake especially those with (?). I'm still at the beginner stage :meh:.


Rivalz and Milly - Shiawase Neiro

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This is a conversation between Rivalz and Milly. This is really touching :upset:. Rivalz had the intention of staying back in Ashford in case Lelouch returns one day to have Milly 'reprimanding' him that Lelouch wouldn't care about him and where he is and Rivalz should move on with his life.


Rivalz: So… President. A lot of time had passed since then.

Milly: What? Rivalz.

Rivalz: That Emperor Lelouch. Is that really our Lelouch?

Milly: I see. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Really.

Rivalz: That guy is definitely not Lelouch! No matter how, I think, however, that is just like Lelouch.

Milly: Me too. I also thought of both.

Rivalz: President, I.

Milly: Uh?

Rivalz: I may be an idiot. I see it myself. I don’t wish to believe that Lelouch is dead. I think he is alive.

Milly: I see. Hey, Rivalz.

Rivalz: Um.

Milly: We finally talk about him.

Rivalz: Um.

Milly: Sometimes, I wonder. (Unexpectedly/Surprise?) Let’s say, he will return, by chance. He is good at tricks. He likes to surprise people.

Rivalz: President, I thought of remaining at Ashford before however.

Milly: Repeating the year? Just like me.

Rivalz: You know, this, like teachers, like various.

Milly: Stop it. That’s not like you.

Rivalz: But, Lelouch may come back, isn’t it.

Milly: That Lelouch, like he will care about where you are.

Rivalz: I see.

Milly: As for you, you shall move with your direction in life. I think Lelouch will be proud.

Rivalz: I hope that guy is alright. Will he be troubled like punctured flat tyre somewhere alone I wonder (?).

Milly: Maybe.

Rivalz: Ah, I will graduate very soon, of course as a glory of Ashford Student Council. Farewell.

Milly: Haha, foolish. Just a change of form and location (?).

[incorrupts]

I heard that Rivalz and Milly's poem is rather touching, hence, I had my hands on deciphering it. As compared to poems of many other characters, this is not too difficult for my level, I guess :meh:. Of course, please feel free to correct my mistake especially those with (?). I'm still at the beginner stage :meh:.

Sounds like Ashford days, the living years. Embodies this past-nostalgia. {i went half-sniff, not Kallen-poem-sniff, but still sniff}
Thanks for the translation ~

[Lunara]

I feel sad for Millay and Rival. To think that their friend would pull something off like this and it seems that they know what Lelouch did for the world.

[Charred Knight]

One of the many unanswered "What?" of Code Geass.

The poems where a good idea for C.C, Kallen, and Nunnaly, but after that you start getting the feeling that the guy who takes tickets at a sports game is waxing poetry about that one time Lelouch went to a baseball game, and what a nice ass Lelouch had.

Suzaku in particular was pure Wangst about losing his boyfriend

In particular I dread the poem by Charles that was mentioned earlier. I loved Charles when he was this batshit insane Super Hitler but I felt they ruined him with the whole loving father things which contradict his actions after Euphemia.

[Nogitsune]

The poems where a good idea for C.C, Kallen, and Nunnaly, but after that you start getting the feeling that the guy who takes tickets at a sports game is waxing poetry about that one time Lelouch went to a baseball game, and what a nice ass Lelouch had.

Suzaku in particular was pure Wangst about losing his boyfriend

Hu?
Why shouldn't Suzaku mourn Lelouch's death just as much as Kallen, C.C. and Nunally? They were best friends, after all.
I'd have liked his poem to be a bit... deeper, though.

In particular I dread the poem by Charles that was mentioned earlier. I loved Charles when he was this batshit insane Super Hitler but I felt they ruined him with the whole loving father things which contradict his actions after Euphemia.

Well, since Charles bothered to "talk" with Clovis, the loving father thing didn't suprise me that much... I just don't see what he thought was the point in sending Lelouch and Nunally off to an enemy country.
Oh well. I'm interested in his and Marianne's poem, but I'll keep my expectations low for now.

[Charred Knight]

Hu?
Why shouldn't Suzaku mourn Lelouch's death just as much as Kallen, C.C. and Nunally? They were best friends, after all.
I'd have liked his poem to be a bit... deeper, though.



Well, since Charles bothered to "talk" with Clovis, the loving father thing didn't suprise me that much... I just don't see what he thought was the point in sending Lelouch and Nunally off to an enemy country.
Oh well. I'm interested in his and Marianne's poem, but I'll keep my expectations low for now.

It was the "I can no longer cry" part where I felt was way too over the top. With C.C you saw that she was prepared for life after Lelouch, with Kallen you thought that she can live her life after a perioud of mourining with Suzaku you got "WHY ME? WHY ME?" wangst about how Lelouch is gone so that nothing good will ever happen to him again.

It came off less like best friends, and more like a man having lost the love of his life. It kind of seems like that poem was written by CLAMP

[Nogitsune]

It was the "I can no longer cry" part where I felt was way too over the top. With C.C you saw that she was prepared for life after Lelouch, with Kallen you thought that she can live her life after a perioud of mourining with Suzaku you got "WHY ME? WHY ME?" wangst about how Lelouch is gone so that nothing good will ever happen to him again.

It came off less like best friends, and more like a man having lost the love of his life. It kind of seems like that poem was written by CLAMP

Well, that's Suzaku for you - always hung up over the past.
At least he has faith in Zero Requiem.
And really, I doubt a romantic relationship could have went any deeper than what those two had. It's no wonder Suzaku takes this whole thing to heart.

[incorrupts]

Well, that's Suzaku for you - always hung up over the past.
At least he has faith in Zero Requiem.
And really, I doubt a romantic relationship could have went any deeper than what those two had. It's no wonder Suzaku takes this whole thing to heart.
I think it would. Technically as well.
And anyway, Suzu+Lulu had a weird relationship. Like a Crete vendetta here in Greece. It is a peculiar relationship.

I also do not think the whole "nor cry, nor laugh" has to do with Lelouch. It is probably about his own self, he let himself become a "symbol". His human-ish side, got flashed down the toilet. The last "gift" of his bff, was that exactly. More of a punishment and Suzaku realizes that. But he he has to bear it.
Well, in all and all, sucks to be Suzaku. :x

[Cosmic Eagle]

One of the many unanswered "What?" of Code Geass.

Anyway, has anyone attempted translation of the World of C section in the guide book?

[yvj]

Reading the poems am I the only person who gets the feeling the entire cast wanted to have sex with Lelouch towards the end?

Quoted for great Justice.

Lelouch probably could have seduced Marianne if he had enough time.

There's already doujin about it out there I bet

[Nobodyman9]

Quoted for great Justice.

Lelouch probably could have seduced Marianne if he had enough time.

There's already doujin about it out there I bet
I concur. I always thought that the fact that almost every female on the show adores the sh*t out of him, while he has the most minimal amount of interest in woman, was just grossly unfair. It's like the writers are saying "Well, he doesn't want it, but he did want it he could score more ass than any man should be allowed to have."

[Charred Knight]

I concur. I always thought that the fact that almost every female on the show adores the sh*t out of him, while he has the most minimal amount of interest in woman, was just grossly unfair. It's like the writers are saying "Well, he doesn't want it, but he did want it he could score more ass than any man should be allowed to have."

This goes with my biggest complaint about Code Geass, that Taniguchi, and Okouchi liked him to much. The result is that while Lelouch is a heavily flawed character he is always shown to be in the right, everybody loves him, nobody can steal the show from him (so his the only person that ever actually accomplishes anything), and even his villains seem to want him.

I mean Rivalz was simply Lelouch's friend, and he treats Lelouch like he was his father. I mean I would say that about my dead grandpa not my dead friend.

[yvj]

This goes with my biggest complaint about Code Geass, that Taniguchi, and Okouchi liked him to much. The result is that while Lelouch is a heavily flawed character he is always shown to be in the right, everybody loves him, nobody can steal the show from him (so his the only person that ever actually accomplishes anything), and even his villains seem to want him.

I mean Rivalz was simply Lelouch's friend, and he treats Lelouch like he was his father. I mean I would say that about my dead grandpa not my dead friend.

You make a good point here. I can sort of understand Millay to a certain degree because it was kind of implied she wanted to jump his bones to at one point. But Rivalz? Lelouch gave him the cold shoulder.

Every five years Nunnaly, C.C, Kallen, Zero, Millay, Rivalz, Sayoko, and Jeremiah (with special guest appearances from Schniezel) meet up in a graveyard and talk about how cool Lelouch was and how good he might be in bed.

[Haku-Men]

This goes with my biggest complaint about Code Geass, that Taniguchi, and Okouchi liked him to much. The result is that while Lelouch is a heavily flawed character he is always shown to be in the right, everybody loves him, nobody can steal the show from him (so his the only person that ever actually accomplishes anything), and even his villains seem to want him.

I mean Rivalz was simply Lelouch's friend, and he treats Lelouch like he was his father. I mean I would say that about my dead grandpa not my dead friend.
How are they gonna make a new series without him is what I'll like to know.

[Sonae]

Quoted for great Justice.

Lelouch probably could have seduced Marianne if he had enough time.

There's already doujin about it out there I bet

Lol. The first thing I thought about when I read this was this little fan comic where Rolo, Shirley, and Euphie where beating Lelouch up for killing them I think. Marianne shows up, Lelouch gives an "OH SH.IT!" expression. Then Marianne starts to comfort him.

XD

Well, anyways, Kaguya's hasn't been translated yet right?

[blottyparchment]

Oh, that line that confounds me has finally been cleared up by someone:

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I think you to be dear because you are miserable.
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.


It's the bolded part I have edited.

[Narona]

Oh, that line that confounds me has finally been cleared up by someone:



It's the bolded part I have edited.

Thanks, here's LiberLibri version for the ones who are interested:

Now I feel my love toward him/her because of his/her extremely miserable behaviour.

From the translation thread: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=13227&page=28

@Blotty: I replied to you in the translation thread.

[Frostfire]

Oh, that line that confounds me has finally been cleared up by someone:



It's the bolded part I have edited.

So... is that basically saying "I pity you"?

[nekowitch18]

Thank you so much for the translations!! I loved Nunnally's poem.

But in Rivalz and Milly's poem does anyone have an idea of what Rivalz meant by saying "That guy is definitely not Lelouch! No matter how, I think, however, that is just like Lelouch." That confused me.

[Frostfire]

Thank you so much for the translations!! I loved Nunnally's poem.

But in Rivalz and Milly's poem does anyone have an idea of what Rivalz meant by saying "That guy is definitely not Lelouch! No matter how, I think, however, that is just like Lelouch." That confused me.

He's in denial about Lelouch the Emperor being the Lelouch he knew, and yet he knows, that somehow they are similar. Its establishing that while they don't understand what he did, they somehow know he did something for them.

[nekowitch18]

He's in denial about Lelouch the Emperor being the Lelouch he knew, and yet he knows, that somehow they are similar. Its establishing that while they don't understand what he did, they somehow know he did something for them.

Ohh, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

I wish someone would tell Rivalz and Milly exactly what happened though. :( I think they deserve to know more than some of the people that know Lelouch really wasn't evil.

[azul120]

Lol. The first thing I thought about when I read this was this little fan comic where Rolo, Shirley, and Euphie where beating Lelouch up for killing them I think.

Srsly? Only one of the three Lelouch killed was Euphie, and that came out of an accident. Crazy.

[Sprite_Coke]

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

World End - Suzaku

The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.



O2 - Shirley

Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally

I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)


This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

tyvm so much

[Cosmic Eagle]

How are they gonna make a new series without him is what I'll like to know.

Maybe one on C.C featuring the rest of the cast? She still has her Code after all.

[Levy]

The poems where a good idea for C.C, Kallen, and Nunnaly, but after that you start getting the feeling that the guy who takes tickets at a sports game is waxing poetry about that one time Lelouch went to a baseball game, and what a nice ass Lelouch had.

as much as you made me ROFL with this, I have to disagree XD
The poems were all quite enjoyable, and showed the different angles people see Lelouch's persona quite well, even though CC's one is very hard to get properly.
Thanks everybody for sharing!! ^___________^
I agree with Loli, Nunnaly's poem shows how much she's matured since the beginning of the series and how aware she is now of the true nature of her bond with her brother. Nah, I'm not talking about the obvious incest motif, more of the unbalanced, manipulative yet absolute love he gave her. XD

about the world of C, I'm pretty much clueless, expecially about the disappearing/persistence of souls inside of it...but thanks you all for all the inputs.

[Narona]

How are they gonna make a new series without him is what I'll like to know.
Maybe one on C.C featuring the rest of the cast? She still has her Code after all.

As I see it, C.C. being alive is a proof that the Geass is still around in the Code Geass world. (since we don't know if there are other code bearers, she is the only one left)

So if they want to do a new series, C.C. can do a come back. I am not sure about the rest of the cast. C.C. is the only immortal person.

About Lelouch, I think I am one of the few persons who think they can do a new good CG series with a new main hero.

[youngde]

As I see it, C.C. being alive is a proof that the Geass is still around in the Code Geass world. (since we don't know if there are other code bearers, she is the only one left)

So if they want to do a new series, C.C. can do a come back. I am not sure about the rest of the cast. C.C. is the only immortal person.

About Lelouch, I think I am one of the few persons who think they can do a new good CG series with a new main hero.

1) Well, there are all those people that had the Geass symbol on their heads that appeared whenever C.C. had one of her 'acid flashback moments.' Presumably, if they were all Code Bearers, there should be more Codes. After all, it seems that, except under certain extreme circumstances (like getting swallowed into the world of C), Code Bearers can't die until they pass the Code, so (again, in theory) all those Codes still exist. As to why the Emperor and Marianne were looking specifically for C.C., it probable that C.C. was the only other Code Bearer they knew about. (In theory, each Code Bearer probably would keep to him/herself, and only people they interacted w/ would know about them.)

2) I don't think they CAN'T make a good story w/o Lelouch. I just think it would be a pain. As much as I didn't care for the last few episodes of CG:R2 (for a myriad of reasons that I've gone into detail before, so I won't list them here), Lelouch himself never failed to impress, and it's going to be a pain to make a lead that could stand being compared w/ him.

Granted, any new insight into the CG universe would be welcome. (But if they've had C.C. or Kallen move on to another man simply to 'pair off' every girl w/ a boy, I would be so pissed. Especially if it was C.C. and Tamaki--pure crack--or Gino and Kallen--almost pure crack. :p)

youngde, signing off.

[Narona]

1) Well, there are all those people that had the Geass symbol on their heads that appeared whenever C.C. had one of her 'acid flashback moments.' Presumably, if they were all Code Bearers, there should be more Codes. After all, it seems that, except under certain extreme circumstances (like getting swallowed into the world of C), Code Bearers can't die until they pass the Code, so (again, in theory) all those Codes still exist. As to why the Emperor and Marianne were looking specifically for C.C., it probable that C.C. was the only other Code Bearer they knew about. (In theory, each Code Bearer probably would keep to him/herself, and only people they interacted w/ would know about them.)
Those children are one of the unresolved mysteries. I am also part of the people who think they are all code bearers. Anyway, I think it was part of the plot before they start to cut things (same about Suzaku's relation to geass).

Anyway, I had this discussion here some months ago, and i remember someone saying to me that c.c. and v.v. were apparently the only code bearers. But as far as i know, there is no evidence that it is the case for sure. But oh well, I don't want to start a new debate about that, but for sure, it was intriguing.

What i would want to know is how and when those codes were created. Everything has a start.

2) I don't think they CAN'T make a good story w/o Lelouch. I just think it would be a pain. As much as I didn't care for the last few episodes of CG:R2 (for a myriad of reasons that I've gone into detail before, so I won't list them here), Lelouch himself never failed to impress, and it's going to be a pain to make a lead that could stand being compared w/ him.
Well.................. you're right. But even if the task seems really difficult, it's not absolutely impossible to create a new badass hero.

Don't misunderstand me, I would not mind to see Lelouch come back (me being not part of the extremist faction who will send bad letters to okouchi, taniguchi and sunrise if lelouch doesn't stay dead). It's just an anime, it's a business, and CG is a fantasy show. And despite what Okouchi said, if it's well explained and handled, I will gladly accept to see him alive (or resurrected) ; but I just don't think that it is impossible to create a new hero. So I don't want to close the door, even if I really, really, really like lelouch.

Granted, any new insight into the CG universe would be welcome. (But if they've had C.C. or Kallen move on to another man simply to 'pair off' every girl w/ a boy, I would be so pissed. Especially if it was C.C. and Tamaki--pure crack--or Gino and Kallen--almost pure crack. :p)
Same here about the crack pairings ;) . Anyways I would want new infos, and that's why I would like a new series. Not a prequel, but something that will be more centered on the Geass, its origin, its limit, etc etc.

As I said before, C.C. seems "actually" happy, but will it be still the same in another 600 years? At least, we know that "one" code bearer is still around, and so there is still the possibility that the geass will be used. Same about Lelouch's victory. No peace can last forever :uhoh:

[Rising Dragon]

As to why the Emperor and Marianne were looking specifically for C.C., it probable that C.C. was the only other Code Bearer they knew about. (In theory, each Code Bearer probably would keep to him/herself, and only people they interacted w/ would know about them.)

Actually, its far more likely they're searching for C.C. because she already agreed to initiate Ragnarok with them. Other possible Code bearers might not agree with the plan and try to stop them.

[Narona]

Actually, its far more likely they're searching for C.C. because she already agreed to initiate Ragnarok with them. Other possible Code bearers might not agree with the plan and try to stop them.
Possible. Well, we don't even know how V.V. got his code and how Charles and him got the knowledges about Geass and how to create the SoA / thoughts elevator.

I mean, C.C. got no info from the nun (apparently), so who gave them those infos?

I also want to point that in my subs, charles says "re-activate ragnarok", not "activate" ; meaning that the Ragnarok was used once, maybe ?_?, but apparently not by charles and v.v.

[youngde]

Actually, its far more likely they're searching for C.C. because she already agreed to initiate Ragnarok with them. Other possible Code bearers might not agree with the plan and try to stop them.

That's quite probable, but my main point was that it's possible that other Code Bearers exist. Some people (at least I talk to) assume C.C. and V.V. were the only two left since the Emperor and Marianne were looking for her, specifically. But since it seems almost impossible to just get rid of a Code w/o passing it on, I would assume that more Code Bearers exist. They just may not be as prone to sticking their necks out like C.C. and V.V.

youngde, signing off.

[Rising Dragon]

That's quite probable, but my main point was that it's possible that other Code Bearers exist. Some people (at least I talk to) assume C.C. and V.V. were the only two left since the Emperor and Marianne were looking for her, specifically. But since it seems almost impossible to just get rid of a Code w/o passing it on, I would assume that more Code Bearers exist. They just may not be as prone to sticking their necks out like C.C. and V.V.

youngde, signing off.

Oh, I know what you meant. I don't doubt the possibility of there being more Code bearers. If there are, I imagine that they'd have pasts similar to C.C.'s, and would prefer to keep themselves hidden, like you said.

[Cosmic Eagle]

As I see it, C.C. being alive is a proof that the Geass is still around in the Code Geass world. (since we don't know if there are other code bearers, she is the only one left)

So if they want to do a new series, C.C. can do a come back. I am not sure about the rest of the cast. C.C. is the only immortal person.

About Lelouch, I think I am one of the few persons who think they can do a new good CG series with a new main hero.

Well it can be set like maybe ~ 10 years after R2. As for Lulu, nothing can replace him or at least, it would be really hard to. The level he set on the fans' expectations of any other protagonist are just too high. He should definitely stay dead though resurrecting him is just.....ugh.

EDIT: As for those kids, anyone else feel that they aren't really real per se?

[Levy]

As for those kids, anyone else feel that they aren't really real per se?

I'm curious about what you meant here. Explain better =)

[Cosmic Eagle]

I'm curious about what you meant here. Explain better =)

Like they may be metaphors for Geass or human unconsciousness?

[Levy]

mh, got what you meant now.

Personally, I gave those kids a much more complicate explanation, that they were there to allude to some 'mass cult' status the Geass might have had in the ancient times, like some sort of religion or mystery cult of the pagan world, but, since none ever gone in detail about that, my random thoughts is all I have to offer XD

[Pink-chan]

Well it can be set like maybe ~ 10 years after R2. As for Lulu, nothing can replace him or at least, it would be really hard to. The level he set on the fans' expectations of any other protagonist are just too high. He should definitely stay dead though resurrecting him is just.....ugh.

EDIT: As for those kids, anyone else feel that they aren't really real per se?

There is no need to resurrect Lulu. Let Lulu stay in World of C. Just have a new protagonist and have him somehow stumble in the World of C and encounter Lelouch who will become his mentor. :heh: I'm sure fans will focus on Lulu more than the protagonist. :heh:

[Narona]

Well it can be set like maybe ~ 10 years after R2. As for Lulu, nothing can replace him or at least, it would be really hard to. The level he set on the fans' expectations of any other protagonist are just too high. He should definitely stay dead though resurrecting him is just.....ugh.

A Code Geass show doesn't need to be as popular as Lelouch of the Rebellion to be a success.

But even so, as I said it, it would be hard to top Lelouch if they create a new character, but not impossible.

mh, got what you meant now.

Personally, I gave those kids a much more complicate explanation, that they were there to allude to some 'mass cult' status the Geass might have had in the ancient times, like some sort of religion or mystery cult of the pagan world, but, since none ever gone in detail about that, my random thoughts is all I have to offer XD
I have the same opinion. And don't forget the Geass ruins. There are ruins in different places all around the world. So at least it means that there was an ancient time when there were Geass followers all around the world.

There is no need to resurrect Lulu. Let Lulu stay in World of C. Just have a new protagonist and have him somehow stumble in the World of C and encounter Lelouch who will become his mentor. :heh: I'm sure fans will focus on Lulu more than the protagonist. :heh:I second that, but I would also want them to try to turn the page. But if c.c. is part of a sequel, i could see her wondering "lelouch, what would you do if you were here?"

A nice touch would be to see c.c. finally ending her journey in the humans world and talks with Lelouch in the world of C as a closure.

[Pink-chan]

A Code Geass show doesn't need to be as popular as Lelouch of the Rebellion to be a success.

But even so, as I said it, it would be hard to top Lelouch if they create a new character, but not impossible.

Yes, have faith. Why will a show without Lelouch turned out to be a failure? We never know unless we try and Code Geass had always caught me in surprise.

Hoe about Rai Lost Color? Apparently, everyone who played the game don't dislike him right? Perhaps, a character like him will fit the bill.

I second that, but I would also want them to try to turn the page. But if c.c. is part of a sequel, i could see her wondering "lelouch, what would you do if you were here?"

A nice touch would be to see c.c. finally ending her journey in the humans world and talks with Lelouch in the world of C as a closure.

C.C. will not forget about Lelouch down the road. I wish Suzaku is immortal. :heh: Why don't she forced her code on him? She will be constantly telling whoever she is with, "there was a boy I known in the past...." until that 'unlucky' person get sick of her 'story'.

[eaglei3]

I have faith that they could possibly make another good protagonist. I just hope they could fix what I consider their major problem and keep the other characters of the show relevant and not stumbling in relevance and character at the end.

[SonOfHeaven]

I have faith that they could possibly make another good protagonist. I just hope they could fix what I consider their major problem and keep the other characters of the show relevant and not stumbling in relevance and character at the end.

That's my concern as well. Not many other characters had much character development or became important for the story honestly in my opinion. We'll have to see whatever they plan in the future, will it be a movie or a new series.Though I want Lelouch to stay dead as he is, if the staff feels they need Lelouch then just make it believable especially in a new series. A new MC could be good short term but long term you never know(as in people losing interest).

[Haku-Men]

That's my concern as well. Not many other characters had much character development or became important for the story honestly in my opinion. We'll have to see whatever they plan in the future, will it be a movie or a new series.Though I want Lelouch to stay dead as he is, if the staff feels they need Lelouch then just make it believable especially in a new series. A new MC could be good short term but long term you never know(as in people losing interest).
There's always the Mai-Otome route and just place the setting in an alternate. It's a stretch but it proved sucessful.

[Xander]

Even more than that, Gundam has survived and created many different universes (of varying quality and success) even without Amuro and Char.

Don't tell me Char in particular wasn't ridiculously popular, considering the million things his image still sells these days (toys, games, manga, etc.). Even the title for the Char's Counterattack movie was a sign of it.

I don't mind if an alternate Lelouch is the most Sunrise is willing to risk, but history shows it's not always necessary to bring the same character back even if he is popular.

[stardrago]

I could think of a way they could bring him back but I will put it on the fanfiction thread later; it involves using elements from kamen rider kuuga and Gouram merging with the Ganymede.

[Charred Knight]

There's always the Mai-Otome route and just place the setting in an alternate. It's a stretch but it proved sucessful.

If they make more Code Geass, I hope they take that route

and keep the emphasis on rolling blading mechas, I want to see a scene where someone rollerblade downs a wire than uses their rollerblades to blow up a knightmare frame.

I don't want to see small Gundams which where what we got at the end with Suzaku.

Also I hope they learn their lesson and plan how to use characters better, Todoh, and Xingke where nothing more than trophies to show how badass Lelouch was for getting them under his thumb.

[SonOfHeaven]

They could do the AU route. Lelouch/C.C pretty much stay the same. They could even switch Kallen's and Suzaku's role if they want. I want a sequel though.

For me the difference between Gundam and Code Geass is what makes the series clicked. For Gundam, there are always an intense rivalry/confrontations between a given two people and of course mechs/fight sequences. The plot in Gundam series tend to be cliché to me and easy to do with different characters/settings. Having seen too many Gundam series, you start to see the similarities.

Code Geass is different. Its about having an unique/new plot and of course Lelouch himself. Both of which in my opinion would be tough to do in a new series/new setting/new characters. We don't know without Lelouch, can the series survive. I think it can but we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaking about Char, he still is popular though he was featured in the original Gundam series, Zeta Gundam and Char's counterattack. That's alot of appearances by one character.

[Cosmic Eagle]

They could do the AU route. Lelouch/C.C pretty much stay the same. They could even switch Kallen's and Suzaku's role if they want. I want a sequel though.

For me the difference between Gundam and Code Geass is what makes the series clicked. For Gundam, there are always an intense rivalry/confrontations between a given two people and of course mechs/fight sequences. The plot in Gundam series tend to be cliché to me and easy to do with different characters/settings. Having seen too many Gundam series, you start to see the similarities.

Code Geass is different. Its about having an unique/new plot and of course Lelouch himself. Both of which in my opinion would be tough to do in a new series/new setting/new characters. We don't know without Lelouch, can the series survive. I think it can but we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaking about Char, he still is popular though he was featured in the original Gundam series, Zeta Gundam and Char's counterattack. That's alot of appearances by one character.

Personally though, AUs just don't sit well with me. Never could consider them canon

[Levy]

I think that in that case we should start to talk about two different 'canon's ^^

OMG it would be such a mess... ! ° °; =P

[Tokkan]

Personally though, AUs just don't sit well with me. Never could consider them canon

By definition, an AU is not canon in any sense of the word, aside from having its own seperate canon from the original canon.

[Cosmic Eagle]

By definition, an AU is not canon in any sense of the word, aside from having its own seperate canon from the original canon.

As I said, it's more of a personal aversion.

[Haku-Men]

As I said, it's more of a personal aversion.
Well that sucks :( Personally I would welcome it since the top concern with fans is how do you carry on a show without it's main attraction, since none of the characters could handle a series of their own (unless it was a OVA) and to worry about it's connectivity with the original series is just plain ridiculous, if the Gundam series had that mentality it would have died out long ago. I give Mai-Otome as a fine example because not only is it better than the original series but proved much more successful so obviously Sunrise can pull it off whether Taniguichi or Okiuchi would climb onboard is another story. In fact an AU seems more likely since the last Picture Drama is suppose to be an epilogue to the entire series or they could give us a prequel, Oh the possibilities.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Well that sucks :( Personally I would welcome it since the top concern with fans is how do you carry on a show without it's main attraction, since none of the characters could handle a series of their own (unless it was a OVA) and to worry about it's connectivity with the original series is just plain ridiculous, if the Gundam series had that mentality it would have died out long ago. I give Mai-Otome as a fine example because not only is it better than the original series but proved much more successful so obviously Sunrise can pull it off whether Taniguichi or Okiuchi would climb onboard is another story. In fact an AU seems more likely since the last Picture Drama is suppose to be an epilogue to the entire series or they could give us a prequel, Oh the possibilities.

The Gundam series do not recycle characters, mechs or even verses. The only way to successfully pull off a CG AU is if they start with an entirely new cast.

[Haku-Men]

The Gundam series do not recycle characters, mechs or even verses. The only way to successfully pull off a CG AU is if they start with an entirely new cast.
The Gundam series have been known to recycle concepts and ideas from previous installments that has been carried over (Masked men, Haros, establishing the pilots first introduction, etc.) , so its not vastly different as you claim . Anyway I'm just stating facts if their planning on making a new series that's also cannon to the original their losing a big asset as well to what made the series popular in the first place and if they make a carbon copy it'll just seem extremely cheap of them.

[Nobodyman9]

Personally, I wouldn't mind an AU version of Code Geass(though I don't see it happening). Perhaps one not quite as depressing and tragic. As long as they do it well it doesn't matter to me.

[linkinstreet]

They could do the AU route. Lelouch/C.C pretty much stay the same. They could even switch Kallen's and Suzaku's role if they want. I want a sequel though.

For me the difference between Gundam and Code Geass is what makes the series clicked. For Gundam, there are always an intense rivalry/confrontations between a given two people and of course mechs/fight sequences. The plot in Gundam series tend to be cliché to me and easy to do with different characters/settings. Having seen too many Gundam series, you start to see the similarities.

Code Geass is different. Its about having an unique/new plot and of course Lelouch himself. Both of which in my opinion would be tough to do in a new series/new setting/new characters. We don't know without Lelouch, can the series survive. I think it can but we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaking about Char, he still is popular though he was featured in the original Gundam series, Zeta Gundam and Char's counterattack. That's alot of appearances by one character.Depends. What makes Geass good was the combo of the writer/director (Taniguchi and Okouchi) which had made Planetes before that. with both of them already stating that they won't be involved if Sunrise DOES resurrect the Geass franchise, I have low hopes on any new stuffs.

[SonOfHeaven]

Depends. What makes Geass good was the combo of the writer/director (Taniguchi and Okouchi) which had made Planetes before that. with both of them already stating that they won't be involved if Sunrise DOES resurrect the Geass franchise, I have low hopes on any new stuffs.

I can agree with that. I thought Taniguchi said he wasn't going to get involved anymore not Okouchi. I could have those interviews mixed up. I remember Okouchi stating getting the staff back would be difficult especially Taniguchi himself(aka it was a dream team which Okouchi mentioned other staff members as well). I don't think he was referring to himself in one of those interviews(I'll check out those interviews again).Okouchi is doing PD9, so you never know.

[Narona]

Depends. What makes Geass good was the combo of the writer/director (Taniguchi and Okouchi) which had made Planetes before that. with both of them already stating that they won't be involved if Sunrise DOES resurrect the Geass franchise, I have low hopes on any new stuffs.

From what I understood, Taniguchi stated before R2 that R2 will be his last CG work.

Did Okouchi say something similar? I don't remember so can someone give me the source and "when" did he say that?

And I already asked another question a few weeks agoso I just give the answer again, Taniguchi and Okouchi didn't say any statement of the sort after the end of R2.

As I see it, they can still change their mind after so many months of work and since Taniguchi said that many months ago.

[Xander]

Anything could happen. Some new blood would be interesting, because just like in the case of Gundam it is possible to use old concepts in interesting ways, but I wouldn't mind if either Taniguchi or Okouchi decide to come back, even if both of them can't be present at the same time.

[Haku-Men]

Another thing is whether or not CLAMP will continue to do the character designs, since they were the main attraction to the series success.

[Charred Knight]

Another thing is whether or not CLAMP will continue to do the character designs, since they were the main attraction to the series success.

Looking at Gun X Sword (well the opening since I have never seen the actual series), I see a hell of a lot more influence from the actual character designewr (the one who adapted the drawings for the anime)than CLAMP. Looking at the character design, I am pretty sure they only did the main characters while all minor characters where done by the actual character designer.

I mean Toudoh is definatly not a CLAMP designed character, and Kaguya is definantly designed by the anime character designer as well.

[Narona]

Looking at Gun X Sword (well the opening since I have never seen the actual series), I see a hell of a lot more influence from the actual character designewr (the one who adapted the drawings for the anime)than CLAMP. Looking at the character design, I am pretty sure they only did the main characters while all minor characters where done by the actual character designer.

I mean Toudoh is definatly not a CLAMP designed character, and Kaguya is definantly designed by the anime character designer as well.I am pretty sure that Todo and Kaguya are by Clamp.

Also, Todo and Diethart appear in a clamp art for the first season IIRC

[Skellington2612]

I am pretty sure that Todo and Kaguya are by Clamp.

Also, Todo and Diethart appear in a clamp art for the first season IIRC

I agree with you completely, we can know when a character was by CLAMP just by looking the similarities with others... Todoh looks a bit like Kurogane from Tsubasa but older he has the xxxholic style... and Kaguya reminds of Yuzuriha Nekoi from X but with a Card Captor style... I can make a list of all the characters and the resemblance...

Anyone got anymore images from de PD6?

[Levy]

Skellington and Narona are right, also the characters that "doesn't look like Clamp" were firstly designed by them. Both Kyoshiro and Kaguya got their page on Mutuality, and also the similarity game works. For example, Darlton - a definitely not 'bishie made in Clamp' character - looks a lot like Zochoten from RG-Veda^ ^

[Narona]

Skellington and Narona are right, also the characters that "doesn't look like Clamp" were firstly designed by them. Both Kyoshiro and Kaguya got their page on Mutuality, and also the similarity game works. For example, Darlton - a definitely not 'bishie made in Clamp' character - looks a lot like Zochoten from RG-Veda^ ^
All the characters who got a role in Code Geass are designed by clamp (even Nani My Honey), I think. I remember reading something about that on the forum (propably in a post by Koshimizu).

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

You sound too sure about it,do you have any "source" about it other than "remember"?Cause for someone that is dismissing other facts questioning their origin,i am willing to question this too.(yes,i saw the "i think")

CLAMP did the character designs for Code Geass, now if they did all the characters or just all the main characters I can't say with uttmost certainty. However CLAMP was involved with all the character design stages as revealed in interviews and such. ALso considering that most of the CLAMP artbooks with Code Geass contain literally all the characters I think it'd be safe to assume they heavily took part in all the character designs.

[Skellington2612]

CLAMP did the character designs for Code Geass, now if they did all the characters or just all the main characters I can't say with uttmost certainty. However CLAMP was involved with all the character design stages as revealed in interviews and such. ALso considering that most of the CLAMP artbooks with Code Geass contain literally all the characters I think it'd be safe to assume they heavily took part in all the character designs.

I would say that not only character design but accesories and the type of clothes that are used in Code Geass world(I imagine Geass world like Piffle world), with a touch of the sunrise designers... It´s easy to see which is CLAMP´s work and which is Sunrise, and the combination of both styles makes it pretty attractive...

It´s true that CLAMP designing the characters was the thing that attracted me to the series but if they were the story writers it would have lost much of its appeal...

[darthfury78]

1) Well, there are all those people that had the Geass symbol on their heads that appeared whenever C.C. had one of her 'acid flashback moments.' Presumably, if they were all Code Bearers, there should be more Codes. After all, it seems that, except under certain extreme circumstances (like getting swallowed into the world of C), Code Bearers can't die until they pass the Code, so (again, in theory) all those Codes still exist. As to why the Emperor and Marianne were looking specifically for C.C., it probable that C.C. was the only other Code Bearer they knew about. (In theory, each Code Bearer probably would keep to him/herself, and only people they interacted w/ would know about them.)

2) I don't think they CAN'T make a good story w/o Lelouch. I just think it would be a pain. As much as I didn't care for the last few episodes of CG:R2 (for a myriad of reasons that I've gone into detail before, so I won't list them here), Lelouch himself never failed to impress, and it's going to be a pain to make a lead that could stand being compared w/ him.

Granted, any new insight into the CG universe would be welcome. (But if they've had C.C. or Kallen move on to another man simply to 'pair off' every girl w/ a boy, I would be so pissed. Especially if it was C.C. and Tamaki--pure crack--or Gino and Kallen--almost pure crack. :p)

youngde, signing off.

If Code Geass gets the "Green Light" at another season, it'll likely become a remake of Code Geass R2, set in an alternate universe. I don't think that the staff was all too happy with the one that ended. Don't be too surprise if the staff will get to do Code Geass, in the format that they had wanted, which was to follow Stage 25 of the first season with Stage 26 as the continuation of the showdown between Lelouch vs. Suzaku at the thought elevator with Kallen watching in utter disbelief..

[Xander]

I think that's unlikely at this point. If there's an alternate universe I don't think it would be any direct sequel to either season, but something completely separate and probably different enough to establish its own continuity. Just what I think.

[Haku-Men]

I think that's unlikely at this point. If there's an alternate universe I don't think it would be any direct sequel to either season, but something completely separate and probably different enough to establish its own continuity. Just what I think.
A remake is not entirely out of the question (though with R2's success why would they) since Shoji Kawamori pretty much remakes all of his signature series (Macross and Aquarion) to either a movie or a OVA which above all else fixes the problems that were apparent in its television run. This is probably another coup away to feed off Lelouch's character and let's less there's alot of fat to trim off in the plot to make it better tasting :heh:

[Xander]

A remake is not entirely out of the question (though with R2's success why would they) since Shoji Kawamori pretty much remakes all of his signature series (Macross and Aquarion) to either a movie or a OVA which above all else fixes the problems that were apparent in its television run. This is probably another coup away to feed off Lelouch's character and let's less there's alot of fat to trim off in the plot to make it better tasting :heh:

You forget that remakes aren't such a common thing in anime, period. :p

There is no full remake of Macross unless it happened while I was sleeping. :heh:

What we have is a movie. As for "fixing the problems"...even those movies don't really do it that well. The Macross movie cut some fat, as you call it, but also changed the story into a completely different version of events which can't be truly reconciled with the original series. It is, in practice, a new alternate story. I don't think someone can say all the changes were for the better either...many people love the movie but other fans of the TV series don't, because important differences resulted. In some ways the movie is better, in others...not really.

The Macross movie had completely different animation, so in that sense it was a "remake", but most movies are, in practice, only compilations with a few new scenes and not proper remakes from the ground up.

The original Gundam movies are usually recognized as better than the TV series, but those movies were very long, unlike most modern examples, and they were also summaries without much new animation, at most only changing the order of a few events, at least until the third one came out.

Even in the unlikely event that happens...I would first expect a "remake" of Geass as a whole, not just of R2, which is what darthfury78 is arguing for. This is all speculation on my part but so is everything else. I think a standard compilation movie is more likely than any real remake.

[Levy]

One random thing I noticed...

Kaguya's birthday falls on the 10th of August, the same day Japan surrendered to Britannia.
How ironic... :/

[incorrupts]

I guess this will get posted sooner or later, {and it is CG related, in a major way} basically it is Sunrise trolling us. My lulz pierced the sky the moment i read that. //stairpalm x 320392

http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1243230.html

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

I'm actually not suprised that Sunrise would pull such a move. Seriously though screencaps as well. I wonder what CLAMP thinks of this?

[Levy]

I join the stairpalming at how pointless this can be.................
I have no words, seriously.... -.-;;

[Rising Dragon]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2187510&postcount=2802

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2187510&postcount=2802

Well then lets hope that continues to be the case.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I guess this will get posted sooner or later, {and it is CG related, in a major way} basically it is Sunrise trolling us. My lulz pierced the sky the moment i read that. //stairpalm x 320392

http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1243230.html

That was stupid.......What's the point?

[dragon4dudes]

wtf...? Why, really, why bother? In a sense, it just hurts their popularity rating, maybe.

[zalem]

Before people go crazy cursing Sunrise about this, please read this:
http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/it-had-to-happen-some-time-addressing-the-lantis-and-sunrise-debacle/

Basically, it isn't true. Sunrise hasn't gone after anyone demanding anything. They just have your typical copyright notice on their site, which is nothing new or special.

On a totally different note, more people need to vote for CG (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=77363). I think Macross Frontier is beating it. We can't have that.

[Sonae]

On a totally different note, more people need to vote for CG (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=77363). I think Macross Frontier is beating it. We can't have that.

Lol. Luckily, I have WAY too much free time.


>>Mecha/SciFi
Code Geass = 39
Gundam 00 = 26
Kaiba = 21
Macross = 40


>>Storyline
Clannad = 14
Code Geass = 32
ef~A Tale of Melodies = 11
Kaiba = 22
Kurenai = 16
Spice and Wolf = 25

Now, the next two are bad...


>>Visual/Animation
Code Geass = 15
ef~A tale of Melodies = 19
Kaiba = 13
Kara no Kyoukai = 47
Macross = 33


>>Soundtrack
ARIA The Origination = 19
Code Geass = 15
Gundam 00 = 11
Kara no Kyoukai = 20
Macross = 59

Good!


>>Male Character
Souichi "Johannes Krauser II" Negishi = 20
Kurenai Shinkurou = 10
Lelouch vi Britannia = 50
Lockon Stratos = 18
Okazaki Tomoya = 24

Bad...


>>Female Character
C.C. = 26
Horo = 45
Isurugi Noe = 10
Noda Megumi = 15
Sheryl Nome = 28


>>Villain
Ali Al-Saachez = 43
Amamiya Akari = 18
Grace O'Connor = 18
Zero = 18


>>Worst Character
Kazuki Tachibana = 17
Kururugi Suzaku = 33
Nozomu Ezomori = 1
Oyamada Kouta = 13
Ranka Lee = 29

That's without subtracting the 5+ that are nullified due to Registration date.

I haven't tallied the last two yet. Done.

THIS COUNT IS TALLIED AS OF INCORRUPTS POST

[azul120]

Why is Zero up as villain? And Suzaku for worst character?

[SonOfHeaven]

Gino should have been voted as worst character than Suzaku in my opinion.

[incorrupts]

Gino should have been voted as worst character than Suzaku in my opinion.

That "poll" is kinda weird, but yeah, Suzaku as worst chara is even worse than seeing Zero as a villain. I mean, srsly. :x

[Miraploy]

Yes, Suzaku is a great character. What's this worst character nonsense.

[SonOfHeaven]

That "poll" is kinda weird, but yeah, Suzaku as worst chara is even worse than seeing Zero as a villain. I mean, srsly. :x

I agree. The moment the staff dropped Gino's development with Suzaku, the moment his character failed in my opinion along with many other things.

I'm not an Suzaku fan but I don't know what's makes him one of the worst characters in R2.

[Sonae]

I say we push Ranka up to worst character since she's closest behind Suzaku.

Btw. Currently, Geass is beating Macross by 1 vote in Mecha/SciFi, It is Beating Spice and Wolf by 7 in Storyline. It's 4th in Visual/Animation. It's tied with ARIA The Origination for 3rd in Soundtrack. Lelouch is in the lead by 30 votes. C.C. is 3rd. Zero is 2nd. and Suzaku is first by 5 votes. That's all in their designated catagories.

@ SonofHeaven
Gino was nominated. So were Marianne and Charles.

Even Lelouch was nominated! WTF?!

And to your other thing. Becauss he's against Lelouch. Also cause he's a hypocrite.

[SonOfHeaven]

So Suzaku ended up being the one chosen over Gino or Marianne as worst CG character. Wow.

[Sonae]

So Suzaku ended up being the one chosen over Gino or Marianne as worst CG character. Wow.

Yep.

Marianne should have been up there. They fucked up her character BIG time!

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

I'm not an Suzaku fan but I don't know what's makes him one of the worst characters in R2.

Well there are people who just hate his personality, but than there is the others who hate just for the fact he is against Lelouch.

[Sonae]

Well there are people who just hate his personality, but than there is the others who hate just for the fact he is against Lelouch.

I already said that.

[bladeofdarkness]

but is it worst character as in suzaku was a scrappy ?
or is it that he was very poorly written ?
what does this poll suggest

[Sonae]

I think they just dislike him. Cause either are nominated.

[bladeofdarkness]

but thats my question
is it becouse they dont like the character or becouse they dont like how he was written
i disliked marianne becouse she was piss poorly written
i hated bradly and mao
but i hated them becouse they were unlikable characters (and intended to be such)
which one is this poll about

[Charred Knight]

but is it worst character as in suzaku was a scrappy ?
or is it that he was very poorly written ?
what does this poll suggest

Considering that usually very poorly written leads to being a scrappy its both.

I find quite a bit of people like Mao, he was well written, interesting, and unique in a series that tended to go towards the cliche.

[bladeofdarkness]

alot of people seem to like clovis for some reason
apperently he was given more characterization using added matirial
during the show proper however i never liked him and never gave him a second thougt after lelouch killed him
and i never liked mao and never really saw what other people saw in him (within the show proper)

suzaku on the other hand a huge role in the plot (probably 2nd most importent) and while i liked some parts about his character there was alot about him in season 2 that just strack me as bad writing
he started off as something of an immoral jerk in the first few eps and then started to go back and forth between likeble anti-villain and jerkass knight templar
and the biggest wall banger for me was that he ended up having a mental breakdown and finally resloved to do what ever it takes to achive HIS goals
and then join lelouch the very next ep (completely forsaking his own goal)
but then most of the last arc made very little sense as well

if i have to say it i would say that i found him to be more poorly written (in season 2) then out right a scrappy

[Nobodyman9]

Eh, screw their poll. We'll have our own poll and it'll have blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the poll.

Seriously though, I would not nominate Suzaku for Worst Character in any sense of the term. I mean sure, he fell prey to lousy writing a fair number of times, but he doesn't deserve all the hate he gets and is one of the most underrated/underappreciated characters in CG. So yeah, I would definitely choose Gino or Charles or Marianne over Suzaku. Oh, how about Ougi?

[Frostfire]

Eh, screw their poll. We'll have our own poll and it'll have blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the poll.

Seriously though, I would not nominate Suzaku for Worst Character in any sense of the term. I mean sure, he fell prey to lousy writing a fair number of times, but he doesn't deserve all the hate he gets and is one of the most underrated/underappreciated characters in CG. So yeah, I would definitely choose Gino or Charles or Marianne over Suzaku. Oh, how about Ougi?

Ougi, while easily hateable, did not suffer from bad writing that did not affect pretty much the enterity of the show and the Order (outside of more or less just Kallen). That was their "anything" goes ignorance for when things suited them and they were, from the start, written like a pack of mules with no personal intelligence or competance outside the select few with names that started with T and ended with odou.

So they never fell into bad character writing, at best a sloppy and poorly presented turn of events. Todou is, of any real measure, the only person who rightfully could have had grounds on which to turn against Zero. The others were always blind, deaf, and dumb when following Zero and so their sudden abrupt change cannot come off as much more than a wtf-moment to drive the plot. They were presented, through and through, as a pack of idiots with Ougi at the forefront. ("Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the ones following him.") They were idiots when they lapped up everything Zero did and said for them without second thought (Todou and the four holy swords being the only exception) and then tossing him away without second thought when Schneizel made them wet their pants.

Idiots from the start, idiots at the end. If anything, they had pretty solid character development... as idiots en masse.

Charles suffered from a complete and unilateral reversal of his character. The man was never, and I mean never, presented as a good parent in season 1. Not a single time. He did not bat an eyelash at Clovis' death, he laughed at Euphemia's, and in general did not care what his children did. He even used his daughter as a pawn against his son and put him, easily, in a situation where he could have been killed. His totalitarian darwinistic rule even goes as far as to completely contradict itself in R2. The man tells everyone to work and lie and cheat their way through everything, that they are superior. Yet, for some reason, his deep down goal is to make everyone stop doing those things and love one another... I'm sorry. Wtf? And suddenly, he's a loving father? Sending his children into a country and then invading it was somehow turned into a loving act. In Season 1 it was clearly presented that Nunally, Lelouch, and Suzaku, survived by the skin of their teeth, by chance. Yet in R2 it is presented as "just as planned"?

Marianne.
Need I really go into this?

Anya had no role in the show other than to give us loli and a carrier for Marianne. She had no actual personal character development. She could have been a dog in the mansion and the end effect would have been the same. She just wouldn't provide loli and a mecha that did nothing but blow up four things. It could have ended even better with Orange taking care of his new dog! Imagine. She was, suffice to say, a useless character.

Gino had no role either. If anything he was a stand in for Kallen's father to question her loyalty. Outside of that his actions flip flopped from episode to episode, as if the writers had no idea what they were doing with him. Probably amounting to the fact that he was, if nothing more, inserted just to please CLAMP. Unlike Anya who carried something that eventually drove the plot, he carried nothing. He wanted to wipe out the japanese in one episode, then he's chummy with them the next. He gets pissy for picking on the weak, then he goes ahead and picks on the weak. The entire city is blown to kingdomcome and he only worries about the school. He picks up a plot line about Suzaku's smile... only to forget about it the instant Suzaku does exactly what Schneizel did. Yet for some reason he gets chummy with Schneizel. My personal favorite contradiction for his character, though, is his monologue to Suzaku in the Damocles. "I liked the old system better." The system that: picked on the weak, enslaved the japanese, and the system Schneizel does not represent and made painfully clear to you when he had you at gun point after his own coup.

I'd actually throw him into the bin of idiots.

The only KoR that actually had character development and did anything were Bismark and Luciano. They were real, fleshed out deep characters. Luciano died expectedly and foreseably, Bismark just got scrapped like a nobody by a complete deus ex machina.

Suzaku in comparison to the above listed is like a golden statue among a pile of manure. But people will not realise this because: Suzaku opposed Lelouch (that bastard!) and Suzaku killed Lelouch (THAT F***ing BASTARD!).

[Cosmic Eagle]

I never could stand Mao. Hated him from the start. Even more than Nina or the foul Rolo.

[incorrupts]

The only KoR that actually had character development and did anything were Bismark and Luciano. They were real, fleshed out deep characters. Luciano died expectedly and foreseably, Bismark just got scrapped like a nobody by a complete deus ex machina.

Luciano? Come on, the guy had no development other than one-two lines. Gino and Anya were totally ahead in the development-field.

[azul120]

I sense Shirley angst!

Not that I mind. I was royally pissed over Shirley's death, just because Rolo was feeling insecure over not being Lelouch's one true sibling.

[incorrupts]

I sense Shirley angst!

Not that I mind. I was royally pissed over Shirley's death, just because Rolo was feeling insecure over not being Lelouch's one true sibling.

That was the whole point of Shirley's death and it was really frustrating. She did not die doing something "worthwhile", she was just caught up in the fire of Rolo's unstable mind. It was really ugh. :x

[Nobodyman9]

That was the whole point of Shirley's death and it was really frustrating. She did not die doing something "worthwhile", she was just caught up in the fire of Rolo's unstable mind. It was really ugh. :x
And you all wonder why I'm so uptight. :heh:

Well, not that Rolo, Mao or Nina were particularly likeable characters in the first place. Nina's a semi-psychotic bigot. Mao is a completely psychotic mind-raper. And Rolo...well, you could probably write a book on the things that are wrong with Rolo. And one thing these three all have in common is that they're obsessed with someone (seems to be a trend).

Even so, I actually liked Mao because he was pretty badass at what he did, and he was one of the few people to pwn Lelouch (if only for a little while). And, as strange as it may sound, I think I could like Rolo and sympathize with him because of his desire to be loved, to protect Lelouch, and for his own independence. If he could just get a moral compass (killing is WRONG Rolo!) and apologize for killing Shirley I think I'd be set.

[Lolipopo]

I am sorry I have to tell you this Frost. But Gino did have a purpose.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9374/ginopurposeny3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:D

BTW what's this poll ? Cause well, Suzaku disappointed me a few times (Turn 5 R2 ...) but to be the worse character ever -_-''...Marianne should won over him and a bunch of people in the serie.
Ah well...Suzaku was Lelouch's enemy so of course...

[Levy]

Eh, screw their poll. We'll have our own poll and it'll have blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the poll.

I sign this! Expecially the part about blackjack and so on...=P

No really, I bet whatever you want that the 90% of Suzaku hate is because of the aforementioned reason: opposing Lelouch. He was pretty bad-written in R2, but as the character as a whole, I don't see anything THIS bad in him.

If i had to say, worst written character in CG, it'd be surely Marianne. Also V.V. was used pretty badly, compared to how important was his role in triggering the events that lead to the actuall plot. Shota fanservice? XD

Gino could list as an useless add, but is not that unlikeable either...


the other series IDK, I haven't watched any of those... ° °

[incorrupts]

I am sorry I have to tell you this Frost. But Gino did have a purpose.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9374/ginopurposeny3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:D

BTW what's this poll ? Cause well, Suzaku disappointed me a few times (Turn 5 R2 ...) but to be the worse character ever -_-''...Marianne should won over him and a bunch of people in the serie.
Ah well...Suzaku was Lelouch's enemy so of course...
lol
Did you make that pic on your own? |DD;;

Well, he got another purpose though::

Nothing to see here, get lost :)

Seriously though, i think that Gino had a tiny ball to play on the character-field in R2, compared to other characters, woo-hoo. It is just he did not have any huge {none} effect/impact on someone, so that he could at least be considered semi-important character.
Then again so many called important characters {see Marianne} had zero development as well {or more like alien-development} so yeah. I think a lot of charas got into the weird-chara elevator in R2. :x

[azul120]

And you all wonder why I'm so uptight. :heh:

Well, not that Rolo, Mao or Nina were particularly likeable characters in the first place. Nina's a semi-psychotic bigot. Mao is a completely psychotic mind-raper. And Rolo...well, you could probably write a book on the things that are wrong with Rolo. And one thing these three all have in common is that they're obsessed with someone (seems to be a trend).

Even so, I actually liked Mao because he was pretty badass at what he did, and he was one of the few people to pwn Lelouch (if only for a little while). And, as strange as it may sound, I think I could like Rolo and sympathize with him because of his desire to be loved, to protect Lelouch, and for his own independence. If he could just get a moral compass (killing is WRONG Rolo!) and apologize for killing Shirley I think I'd be set.

Yeah.

Plus, for me, there was the Nunnally factor, in that Rolo was not only her replacement in everyone else's mind, but also that he actually wanted Lelouch to forget about her existence so he could be his only sibling. If Lelouch only knew that was why Rolo murdered Shirley...

[Charred Knight]

Didn't Taniguchi or Okouchi say that Gino's sole purpose was to be friends with Suzaku so he could have some friends.

Oh and if theirs a worse character poll than I vote Marianne.

That was as bad as David Arquette plot from WCW.

Suzaku: IT'S THE ULTIMATE SWERVE

[Levy]

Marianne was at the very same time, too much and nothing.

Her character is a pile of contraddicting elements that left you quite clueless at the person she might have been.
She was probably a loving mother and a loving wife, she was surely a very admirable and skilled soldier, she was a source of inspiration for people around her, and an utopist, it seems...

...but her cameback, it shatters all of this, as she showed an indifference toward Nunnaly's fate and blindness toward her son's thoughts and emotions that leaves you with the impression of a selfish woman, full of herself, and quite mindfucked by her husband's wish to play the Antichrist.

All of this in barely ONE episode. :eyebrow:

Other CG characters suffered from bad writing but IMO none compares to Marianne in terms of the proportion 'relevance to the plot/lack of proper writing'

[Charred Knight]

Marianne was at the very same time, too much and nothing.

Her character is a pile of contraddicting elements that left you quite clueless at the person she might have been.
She was probably a loving mother and a loving wife, she was surely a very admirable and skilled soldier, she was a source of inspiration for people around her, and an utopist, it seems...

...but her cameback, it shatters all of this, as she showed an indifference toward Nunnaly's fate and blindness toward her son's thoughts and emotions that leaves you with the impression of a selfish woman, full of herself, and quite mindfucked by her husband's wish to play the Antichrist.

All of this in barely ONE episode. :eyebrow:

Other CG characters suffered from bad writing but IMO none compares to Marianne in terms of the proportion 'relevance to the plot/lack of proper writing'

I can't remember a plot twist in an anime more awful, it was never set up anywhere even though Code Geass had a ton of crap all over the place. It made no sense, it ruined her character, and the whole thing ended after it barely began.

[Levy]

yeah, there's a lot of things rushed in CG but Marianne is the one that was ruined the most.

"ah, Lelouch, so you know, your mummy doesn't give a crap about you. Now let's talk about something else.."
".. but.. ;_;..mama.... oh well, agreed. Let's go on with the rest"

it went more or less like this. :/


Jokes aside, having his beloved mother 'against' him surely had a big impact on Lelouch's final resolution, but given the importance that getting revenge for mama had always had for him, the plot twist should have been handled a lot better.

[rave]

Seriously though, i think that Gino had a tiny ball to play on the character-field in R2, compared to other characters, woo-hoo. It is just he did not have any huge {none} effect/impact on someone, so that he could at least be considered semi-important character.
Then again so many called important characters {see Marianne} had zero development as well {or more like alien-development} so yeah. I think a lot of charas got into the weird-chara elevator in R2. :x

Gino was just a funny side-character.Nothing wrong with that.No one said he is important or that he will ever be.The problem lies with people pushing him along with Kallen,something that will never happen.Even if it was not about Lelouch being the love of Kallen's life.Thus trying to make him important and justify the tiny development he got on the show.

[Pink-chan]

Poor Gino. His purpose other than catch Kallen and potential love interest for Kallen, is a sunshine beside gloomy Suzaku or just an addition of good-looking guys in KoR. Did anyone remember Rivalz? But both can't be considered as worst character.

Well, Kazuki of Dragonaut is the perfect example for the worst character. You will know why if you ever watch the anime :heh: Suzaku and Gino is nowhere compared to him as worst character :heh:

[Sonae]

Well, unless we have about 30+ Geass voters. Geass will win only in three catagories, Storyline, Male Character, and Worst character.

Btw. When will I get my C.C. X Lulu win outside of magazines? They didn't win the moe tournament. D=

-rambles to self-

[Lie]

Poor Gino. His purpose other than catch Kallen and potential love interest for Kallen, is a sunshine beside gloomy Suzaku or just an addition of good-looking guys in KoR. Did anyone remember Rivalz? But both can't be considered as worst character.

From what's been released he was never intended to be a possible LI. (The ship is ~~~ kinda dead now. Its bigger fancircles gave up on it with recent infos.)
Originally Kallen would have been confronted by her chichi (papa) and confronted on her two identities and forced to truly pick one over the other.
That didn't work out in R2 with the many, many changes to the show.
They used the one character who had no constant to do the same thing sorta but not nearly to the same level.
His questioning of Kallen's commitment was pretty lackluster and it wasn't really questioning.
He just said some mean things about the Japanese.
But his overall character was inserted for CLAMP to decorate Suzaku, from that point they used him in certain situations instead of adding new characters.
Only problem with that is he became inconsistent and flaky.
But his character role was to decorate Suzaku.
He's not a bad character.
He's an unneeded character.
Can say the same for all of the KoR, maybe not Bismark.

[incorrupts]

From what's been released he was never intended to be a possible LI. (The ship is ~~~ kinda dead now. Its bigger fancircles gave up on it with recent infos.)
Originally Kallen would have been confronted by her chichi (papa) and confronted on her two identities and forced to truly pick one over the other.
That didn't work out in R2 with the many, many changes to the show.
They used the one character who had no constant to do the same thing sorta but not nearly to the same level.
His questioning of Kallen's commitment was pretty lackluster and it wasn't really questioning.
He just said some mean things about the Japanese.
But his overall character was inserted for CLAMP to decorate Suzaku, from that point they used him in certain situations instead of adding new characters.
Only problem with that is he became inconsistent and flaky.
But his character role was to decorate Suzaku.
He's not a bad character.
He's an unneeded character.
Can say the same for all of the KoR, maybe not Bismark.
I do agree but i tend to differ in the "un-needed" term. Side-characters like him, are "needed" for fun. However, if he was not in R2, it is not like that the second season would collapse. |DD;
I would probably say, he is a "necessary-un-needed" character.

[Levy]

To be honest, I do not see all this inconsistency in Gino.

He's a superficial boy of seventeen, of noble upbringing, with quite good pilot skills, and extroverted nature. He has no real plot for himself, but he doesn't really affect anything negatively. He's a nice, normal guy, standing in the background. Not everybody has to be on the spotlight or offer great character dept when this is not required by the plot.

Sure, he was unneeded, like the majority of -maybe all?- R2-only characters, but when it comes to he himself, he's quite a nice character overall, and used - for the little he is used, coherently. The very small character development he has for himself doesn't bugger me at all.

[youngde]

I never particularly minded Gino, but it's hard to deny that they could have removed him from the plot and very little would have changed. Basically, they would have needed someone else catch Kallen, and that's it. His interactions w/ Kallen and Suzaku never really went anywhere.

Oh well.

youngde, signing off.

[Lie]

I do agree but i tend to differ in the "un-needed" term. Side-characters like him, are "needed" for fun. However, if he was not in R2, it is not like that the second season would collapse. |DD;
I would probably say, he is a "necessary-un-needed" character.

Me personally, I never liked his character because it was shallow.
If you look at his following japanese fans its not because he had a role in show
He has fans because he was in an interview called possibly gay ~ for fans it means he's gay.
Most of his fans are yaoi fans.
~i think now the others are ginya fans.
~ginokare fandom kinda fell apart with the poem. i think it was the poem may be something else.
He has no fans for being important.
So is he really necessary?

[Levy]

Well, having fans is not proportioned to the overall relevance to the plot.

Charlie is vital to the plot and he has few fans - I hope.

[incorrupts]

Me personally, I never liked his character because it was shallow.
If you look at his following japanese fans its not because he had a role in show
He has fans because he was in an interview called possibly gay ~ for fans it means he's gay.
Most of his fans are yaoi fans.
~i think now the others are ginya fans.
~ginokare fandom kinda fell apart with the poem. i think it was the poem may be something else.
He has no fans for being important.
So is he really necessary?
Well i can like "shallow" {according to your definition} characters, i loled at some of his moments within the series. {especially in #5 and #12} and i generally enjoyed his moments on the show.
It is one thing to "like" a character and a whole other to "love" another chara.
I just like Gino, not much, but i do. I do not think that he was totally un-needed in the show. He was just not important. Like, at all.

[yvj]

If it weren't for Luciano, Bismark, and Marianne.

Gino would probably be at the top of the list of most fail. Fortunately for him unlike the other three above he got two minutes of development and he didn't die as quickly as he showed up with an inglorious death.

[Nogitsune]

I love almost all the characters, including Gino, and since we all know that R2 wasn't nearly as awesome as it could have been, I'm only really annoyed at the Marianne thing.
I mean, even Clovis admired her. xD
Speaking of Clovis...


alot of people seem to like clovis for some reason
apperently he was given more characterization using added matirial
during the show proper however i never liked him and never gave him a second thougt after lelouch killed him

O_O
Omg!
Someone mentioned him! Someone mentioned him!
*dies of happiness*
... Ah, being a fangirl is fun. xD

Actually, I already got very interested in Clovis before I listened to the side material.
I admit that when he first appeared, I simply thought: "Hm... interesting" and didn't immediately start squealing over him (even though I thought he looked kind of hot). And when he was shot, I was too fascinated by the anime itself to think much about it.
But then there were the paintings. When Euphie commented on the "gentle colours" her brother likd, I knew the staff wanted to tell us something. And then I saw the painting of Marianne, Lelouch and Nunally, and I got the feeling that I missed the oppurtunity to fangirl a very interesting character.
Then, finally, Cornelia stated that Clovis designed a garden after Aries' Imperial Villa "even though he always used to argue with Lelouch there"... and I totally fell for him.
It was to be expected that I would become a rabid fangirl as soon as the respective Sound Drama came to my attention. It's so sweet and sad and it shows that Clovis didn't only genuinely love Lelouch, but also used to understand a lot about him.
Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but as I see it, he was an awesome older brother and very tragic character. And even though Sunrise could have gone a bit deeper into that in the anime, I'm quite satisfied with how they portrayed him as a whole.

Still, I want Clovis in the "most hated character" poll.
He deserves the attention. xD

[Charred Knight]

Well, having fans is not proportioned to the overall relevance to the plot.

Charlie is vital to the plot and he has few fans - I hope.

I was the Emperor's fan until they turned him into Gendo Ikari with a laughable design, a stupid Freudian Excuse, and nonsensical goals. The man was pure comedy gold with his engrish, idiotic design, and his over the top antics. Once they tried to give him character depth at the last second they ruined him.

No one makes a film that tries to give Hitler depth so why the hell would you try with Charles?

[demon_god04]

I was the Emperor's fan until they turned him into Gendo Ikari with a laughable design, a stupid Freudian Excuse, and nonsensical goals. The man was pure comedy gold with his engrish, idiotic design, and his over the top antics. Once they tried to give him character depth at the last second they ruined him.

No one makes a film that tries to give Hitler depth so why the hell would you try with Charles?

I do not see how giving an antagonist actual deph to his character would be at all bad because it does not conform with your earlier vision of his supposed comedy contributions if it was done well. Paper cutter antagonists worth a cheap laugh or two become shallow and uninteresting past a certain point, for such a central figure in Lelouch's past and motivations, he needed to be fleshed out and developed. That being said, they just royally screwed up with Charles and Marianne and that is what ruined them, not that they developed them but that they tried to develop them and failed.

[youngde]

Hmm, when I first heard Charles plan, I thought, "Wait, you're supposed to be smarter than Lelouch (at least he could beat him in chess) and that's your evil plan?!? That's the STUPIDEST evil plan I've ever heard in my life!!!" It all went down hill from there.

[demon_god04]

Most of what came out of that whole convoluted plot went downhill. :heh:

[Nogitsune]

The only real problem I have with Charles is his logic.
I just don't get it.
How, exactly, is it a good idea to send your children into an enemy country in order to keep them save? Especially if you plan on invading it...
Of course there is this whole "after Ragnarok, it wouldn't make any difference if they were dead or alive" thing, but then I don't understand why he went through the trouble of sending them away in the first place.

Other than that, though...
Well, Charles is far better off than Marianne.

[demon_god04]

Except that is like saying a horse having one leg broken seems to be better off then a horse with two legs broken. It does not make a difference as both of them will likely end up as glue.

As for the logic of sending Lelouch and Nunally to Japan to protect them... well whatever floats their boat. That whole explaination part of the episode reeked of rushed and convoluted attempts at development anyways.

[Charred Knight]

I di do not see how giving an antagonist actual deph to his character would be at all bad because it does not conform with your earlier vision of his supposed comedy contributions if it was done well. Paper cutter antagonists worth a cheap laugh or two become shallow and uninteresting past a certain point, for such a central figure in Lelouch's past and motivations, he needed to be fleshed out and developed. That being said, they just royally screwed up with Charles and Marianne and that is what ruined them, not that they developed them but that they tried to develop them and failed.


I didn't mean that villains should be cardboard, I meant that if your going to give them depth you can't do it at the last minute. You have to have to set up his personality early or he won't be a memorable villain. Char, Treize, and even Durandal where all people whose personality where set up close to the begenning. If you don't the result is what we got, an nonsensical planned ripped off from Evangelion where Taniguchi and Okouchi literaly try to compress an entire series of character fevelopment into one episode.

Gendo worked because everything he did worked towards that common goal. For Code Geass, Charles was basically Super Hitler, killing millions for his goal of world domination. While we certainly saw that he had something planned, his personality never changed, and its clear that the whole thing was made up on the fly.

[Nogitsune]

Except that is like saying a horse having one leg broken seems to be better off then a horse with two legs broken. It does not make a difference as both of them will likely end up as glue.

Except if everyone - including the other horses - though the one with the two broken legs was going to win the race for sure, simply because it was so incedibly awesome.
...This comaprison has me giggling.

As for the logic of sending Lelouch and Nunally to Japan to protect them... well whatever floats their boat. That whole explaination part of the episode reeked of rushed and convoluted attempts at development anyways.

But... I really don't see anything logical in that.
And that's a bit much.

Oh well. I'll live. xD

[Frostfire]

The only real problem I have with Charles is his logic.
I just don't get it.
How, exactly, is it a good idea to send your children into an enemy country in order to keep them save? Especially if you plan on invading it...
Of course there is this whole "after Ragnarok, it wouldn't make any difference if they were dead or alive" thing, but then I don't understand why he went through the trouble of sending them away in the first place.

Other than that, though...
Well, Charles is far better off than Marianne.

There is nothing to get. It was downright stupid writing in their explanations that ignored (or forgot) a lot of the events that they showed in season 1. Honestly, though, I think they stopped caring at that point.

They could have made any excuse for sending them away but they chose the most illogical backwards contradicting one of the lot.

Here's a more viable excuse: "I sent you away because I wanted to use you to get what I wanted."
Or: "I sent you away because I did not give a rats ass about you until you acquired Geass."
Or even better: "I hated you and I'd do it again."

Lovey-dovey Charles came out of the proverbial blue yonder.

@Levy from a few pages back about Gino: His actions did not match his words through every other episode. He is more than willing in one episode to mercilessly slaughter all the Japanese (in fact he's the one who suggests it) that are in the way. But, the episode prior he said he hated picking on the weak. That is one of many point in the show where his character makes no sense when he talks.

[Nogitsune]

Here's a more viable excuse: "I sent you away because I wanted to use you to get what I wanted."
Or: "I sent you away because I did not give a rats ass about you until you acquired Geass."
Or even better: "I hated you and I'd do it again."

Or: "It just didn't matter because of my awesome plan!"
I think that's the excuse I'd have liked most.
Lelouch and Nunally were Marianne's children, after all, and since Charles is still human, I did buy that he cared for them in his own twisted way.
Hell, he even went through the trouble of speaking with Clovis after he'd died... or maybe Charles was just imagining things, but hey, he can be a very loving father if you're dead and hate him! xD

[Frostfire]

Or: "It just didn't matter because of my awesome plan!"
I think that's the excuse I'd have liked most.
Lelouch and Nunally were Marianne's children, after all, and since Charles is still human, I did buy that he cared for them in his own twisted way.
Hell, he even went through the trouble of speaking with Clovis after he'd died... or maybe Charles was just imagining things, but hey, he can be a very loving father if you're dead and hate him! xD

But he doesn't give a toss about his other children. Were does his loving father bit come from? He laughs at Euphie's death for instance. He doesn't seem at all saddened by Clovis passing.

If this is all because of his master plan... then he's still not a loving father.

[Nogitsune]

But he doesn't give a toss about his other children. Were does his loving father bit come from? He laughs at Euphie's death for instance. He doesn't seem at all saddened by Clovis passing.

But he claimed he'd spoken to Clovis! xD
So... he does care for them. Just nor for their health. Or worldly happiness. Or... errr, anything, really, until after Ragnarok.
And it's still hilarious to imagine that talk between him and his dead son...

If this is all because of his master plan... then he's still not a loving father.

I was exaggerating a bit there, of course.
But... if he really thought his plan would help everyone, that included his children. Dead or alive or somewhere in between.

[Charred Knight]

There is nothing to get. It was downright stupid writing in their explanations that ignored (or forgot) a lot of the events that they showed in season 1. Honestly, though, I think they stopped caring at that point.

They could have made any excuse for sending them away but they chose the most illogical backwards contradicting one of the lot.

Here's a more viable excuse: "I sent you away because I wanted to use you to get what I wanted."
Or: "I sent you away because I did not give a rats ass about you until you acquired Geass."
Or even better: "I hated you and I'd do it again."

Lovey-dovey Charles came out of the proverbial blue yonder.


I think they stopped caring after they found out the time slot change. I mean everything they worked on goes out the window, and they have to start all over, and it just looks like Taniguchi stopped caring. I mean none of the new characters are ever developed past a certain point, Todoh and Xingke quickly become useless, and villains are introduced and quickly killed to get on with the next one.

[Xander]

I think they stopped caring after they found out the time slot change. I mean everything they worked on goes out the window, and they have to start all over, and it just looks like Taniguchi stopped caring. I mean none of the new characters are ever developed past a certain point, Todoh and Xingke quickly become useless, and villains are introduced and quickly killed to get on with the next one.

As much as I may not like the way you've put it and none of us have access to the minds of these creators, you may have a point there.

Perhaps Taniguchi himself stopped caring or simply cared a lot less after the time slot change, but things only really started to go downhill later in the show's production.

The first few episodes of R2 aren't my favorites, not at all, but you can see at least more attention to detail and decent to good pacing, they didn't really rush. It's the second half which suffers the most from bad pacing, trying to do too many things at one and not having enough time to do this or that.

I think the writing got sloppy but the core of the story can still be defended. The Emperor's plan isn't original, since that idea has already showed up in a lot of places and not just Evangelion, but the real issue there was that his motives for treating Lelouch and Nunnally like he did were poorly explained. The plan itself isn't inherently bad, just not impressive, but the real hole isn't in there. I suppose we can assume Charles went mad somewhere along the road and leave it at that. Lame, but wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The point ultimately was that Lelouch disagreed with his plan and wasn't convinced by his excuses.

I still think that Marianne was left in a worse position though...I get that the idea seems to have been to make her into a misguided and selfish mother who didn't live up to her image of perfection, but there simply wasn't enough screen time to make her presence matter and provide some payoff. Again, I really think she could have come back into the picture at least five episodes earlier or something along those lines. Anya wasn't doing much around that time.

[Levy]

@Levy from a few pages back about Gino: His actions did not match his words through every other episode. He is more than willing in one episode to mercilessly slaughter all the Japanese (in fact he's the one who suggests it) that are in the way. But, the episode prior he said he hated picking on the weak. That is one of many point in the show where his character makes no sense when he talks.

....BUT...! a 'Japanese that is in the way' is 'a strong one'! XD

nevermind, to each is own, you are free to depise Gino and find him pretty crappy character, I just feel that he's a nice guy and that he was handled far way better than a lot of other characters, first of all those who follow in the discussion...

That being said, they just royally screwed up with Charles and Marianne and that is what ruined them, not that they developed them but that they tried to develop them and failed.

I completely agree with this. Both the option of a cardboardCharlie and well-developedCharlie - with the latter being the better option, according to the relevance he has to Lelouch's growth- would have been fine with me, but this attempt at giving Charles more humanity didn't really get anywhere and heck, all I'm left with is a big - ? about this man and his mindset.
It would have been better that they do not developed him at all.
(random fangirl moment: someone said Treize...? *_*!! <3)
and yeah, pretty much a shitty father, old Charlie... and that's a pity because beside Odysseus and Carine - and probably also Guinevre - all his know children have a great potential in the management of an Empire. He could have benefit of their natural talents, but he prefered playing the druids with his psyco lolishota big bro' and kinda sent Britannia toward screwage.... : /

Anyway, I agree with Xander that Marianne is even in a worst position. Charlie's plan, I don't get it, but Marianne's pile of contraddictions, when I though I get it, it turned out to be maybe the contrary, and maybe another big - ?, and a moment later, everybody forget about her - Lelouch included - because there are other things to mind. So yeah, the worst one can get in the whole series ^^;;

@Nogitsune: epic Clovis fangirling, mate! XD Honestly, I haven't paid Clovis this much attention untill I met you =P but he is one of those character that, small and just half-relevant to the plot, do have their 'ecological niche' and you can figure them quite easily from the things you know about them. As i told you last time, I think Clovis was the one among their half-siblings that was closest to understand Lelouch - and could probably understand better the Lelouch that shot him down - because Schneizel understands Lelouch's mind but can't get to his heart, while Euphie, reversedly, understands Lelouch's with her heart but not in the mind...

[Nogitsune]

@Nogitsune: epic Clovis fangirling, mate! XD Honestly, I haven't paid Clovis this much attention untill I met you =P but he is one of those character that, small and just half-relevant to the plot, do have their 'ecological niche' and you can figure them quite easily from the things you know about them. As i told you last time, I think Clovis was the one among their half-siblings that was closest to understand Lelouch - and could probably understand better the Lelouch that shot him down - because Schneizel understands Lelouch's mind but can't get to his heart, while Euphie, reversedly, understands Lelouch's with her heart but not in the mind...

I think I already told you that I love you, so I'll just skip that part and get to the hugging immeadiately.... *glomps!*
Needless to say that I completely agree.
Clovis was an awesome character and an even more awesome brother. He may not have been a saint, but saints tend to bore me anyway.
I actually think it's a rather amusing and endearing thought that while almost everyone condemned Lelouch's actions at some point for some reason, Clovis, even at his nicest, would probably have taken more pity on him than on those that had to die for Lelouch's not so selfless quest for world peace and revenge.
Ah, being a fangirl madly in love with characters with questionable morals is fun...

[demon_god04]

But he doesn't give a toss about his other children. Were does his loving father bit come from? He laughs at Euphie's death for instance. He doesn't seem at all saddened by Clovis passing.

If this is all because of his master plan... then he's still not a loving father.

It can be argued that in Lelouch's and Nunally's case that he might have had some semblence of caring because they were the children of the woman he loves rather then the children of like 107 political marriages or urges to satisfy his labido. In the overall scheme, he was willing to sacrifice his other children because it was necessary to continue his plans which he believed would be for the betterment of the world. Of course, it is not like we really saw how he interacted with his other children other then the blurbs we got of Lelouch and Nunally. He may be a "careing" father (personally I laughed as I typed that...) but I agree that loving father is too much. It is obvious that the only person Charles ever loved was Marinanne.

[Nogitsune]

I'm in a very general fangirl mood right now, and I think this is the right thread for it...

Am I the only one who thinks that all the relationships in Code Geass are beautiful?
I love Lelouch's dedication to his sister, the way Nunally constantly tries not to be a burden to her brother, the strong bond that exists between Lelouch and Suzaku, Kallen's loyalty towards what (or whom) she believes in, Clovis' genuine love for his younger brother, Lelouch's and C.C.'s partnership, the way Milly seems to be perfectly happy by just being there for the people she cares about and how she plaifully gets through their defences, Rivalz' awesome loyalty towards his friends, Rolo's total fixation on Lelouch, Gino's wish to make Suzaku smile, how Schneizel sees Lelouch as both someone he loves and someone he would kill without a second thought, ...
Any thoughts about this, despite my randomness?

[Charred Knight]

I'm in a very general fangirl mood right now, and I think this is the right thread for it...

Am I the only one who thinks that all the relationships in Code Geass are beautiful?
I love Lelouch's dedication to his sister, the way Nunally constantly tries not to be a burden to her brother, the strong bond that exists between Lelouch and Suzaku, Kallen's loyalty towards what (or whom) she believes in, Clovis' genuine love for his younger brother, Lelouch's and C.C.'s partnership, the way Milly seems to be perfectly happy by just being there for the people she cares about and how she plaifully gets through their defences, Rivalz' awesome loyalty towards his friends, Rolo's total fixation on Lelouch, Gino's wish to make Suzaku smile, how Schneizel sees Lelouch as both someone he loves and someone he would kill without a second thought, ...
Any thoughts about this, despite my randomness?


Lelouch's relationship's between C.C, Kallen, Shirley, Rolo and Nunnaly where handled well, but outside of that I just don't think we had enough screen tine for the rest.

I mean Gino never got past the "friendly enemy" characterization so it was kind of hard to think of his relationship with Suzaku as well done when Gino can barely be considered a character at all. I mean if he was so close to Suzaku why where they never on the same side after the destruction of most of Tokyo?

[Sonae]

Okay, if I caculated the votes right, Geass won in four catagories. The Mecha/SciFi, Storyline, Male Character, and unfortunately, Worst Character.

I'm not positive if these results are correct or not so don't trust it to 100%

[Nogitsune]

Lelouch's relationship's between C.C, Kallen, Shirley, Rolo and Nunnaly where handled well, but outside of that I just don't think we had enough screen tine for the rest.

I mean Gino never got past the "friendly enemy" characterization so it was kind of hard to think of his relationship with Suzaku as well done when Gino can barely be considered a character at all. I mean if he was so close to Suzaku why where they never on the same side after the destruction of most of Tokyo?

I don't disagree - we all know R2 wasn't perfect.
But I think the relationships themselves - the things that we did see - were still awesome.
And I don't even think Suzaku and Gino were supposed to be very close, simply because Suzaku didn't really make an effort.

Also, I don't have much of a problem with the lack of screentime when it comes to Clovis (except that I'm a fangirl and wish they'd given me even more to squeal about). In my opionion, the Sound Drama really said it all.

[Sonae]

C.C. will be wearing her Empress dress in one of the picture dramas! OMG YAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!! 8DDDDDDD -spazzes happily-

[Frostfire]

C.C. will be wearing her Empress dress in one of the picture dramas! OMG YAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!! 8DDDDDDD -spazzes happily-

When? PD7 we already know, PD9 is post-season, and PD8 is supposed to be about Cecile. Are you sure this is not a fake-spoiler? What's the source?

[demon_god04]

C.C had an empress dress?

[Sonae]

Thye source is some interview thing with Taniguchi. There's actually pictures. I'm pretty sure it's the last one. Cecile was in it too.

[SonOfHeaven]

There are pictures for the last PD in the interview? I would have thought they wouldn't reveal anything about its content till its release. So more Cecile in the last PD as well as PD8.

[Sonae]

Yeah. And Cecile is in a blue dress and C.C. is playing a harp (O.o Why?) There will be a video uploaded soon.

[SonOfHeaven]

C.C is playing a harp in an dress that never appeared during the show?(sounds like fanservice) I'm guessing its PD8. Cecile could be going over her past while talking to C.C or something like that.

[Nosauz]

I don't disagree - we all know R2 wasn't perfect.
But I think the relationships themselves - the things that we did see - were still awesome.


The one thing that r2 failed on many fronts was the story telling, I mean plot twists are great but man when plot twists are used instead of a well thought out segue or there used for the sake of being a plot twist makes the show quite obnoxious at times, in my eyes r1 was the best, plus r2 mecha fighting became your typical gundam clone, and really lost its unique touch. But other than that it was well done, and compared to stuff like seed destiny, I have to say I'm really happy about how it turned out especially zr.

[SonOfHeaven]

I thought the some of the characters them needed more explanation. Particularly in Gino's case. Never understood why he went against Suzaku without attempting to understand him. Gino was against Schneizel using Suzaku to kill the emperor, using freya and Schneizel had spears pointed at his face. I thought when Suzaku told him to be on Britannia's side at turn 22, he should have joined him. Instead of siding with Schneizel. That way he gets what he wanted which was early on his fight with Kallen.

Only problem I had with Kallen's development(which was good) was the climax of her character development which was to know what she means to Lelouch wasn't completely apparent in the show(it was for myself and others) but with post season materials. That is a problem in my opinion.

[Xander]

I thought the some of the characters them needed more explanation. Particularly in Gino's case. Never understood why he went against Suzaku without attempting to understand him. Gino was against Schneizel using Suzaku to kill the emperor, using freya and Schneizel had spears pointed at his face. I thought when Suzaku told him to be on Britannia's side at turn 22, he should have joined him. Instead of siding with Schneizel. That way he gets what he wanted which was early on his fight with Kallen.

I think the idea, which didn't get through too well, was that Gino supported his Emperor and the Britannian state under Charles.

In other words, he was loyal to the Emperor and to that status quo. He wouldn't support a coup under Schneizel against Charles, but neither would he side with Suzaku, who had ended up as Knight of Zero by also going against the system and killing the Emperor.

I'm probably reading a little too much into that, since admittedly Gino didn't come out and say this himself, but it more or less makes some amount of sense. :heh:

Only problem I had with Kallen's development(which was good) was the climax of her character development which was to know what she means to Lelouch wasn't completely apparent in the show(it was for myself and others) but with post season materials. That is a problem in my opinion.

Yeah, but the Japanese seem to love leaving certain things ambiguous, implict or unexplained from time to time...see Xam'd, for a recent example, or Orguss, for a much older show. That's just off the top of my head, there are many other cases of endings where not everything is spelled out. In the case of Code Geass R2, the rush is also partially to blame.

[Lolipopo]

Only problem I had with Kallen's development(which was good) was the climax of her character development which was to know what she means to Lelouch wasn't completely apparent in the show(it was for myself and others) but with post season materials. That is a problem in my opinion.

I agree way too much with that...Had they add hald of the side stuff they gave us after serie, in the show, like the little wish line, we would have got less fights...I thought firstly it was for an "ambiguous" ending, and since finally they killed the other ship, I don't even see the point anymore to have delete a certain ****** gum line and so on.

Lol, I can totally see Cecile and C.C. talking about one's past; I remember back in S1, C.C. and Cecile seemed for me kinda simiar in thir link to Lulu and Suzaku (Ahahaha it reminds me this scan with Suzaku and Lelouch as enemies, Euphie and Kallen as supporters, and C.C. and Cecile as arbitrators.), mature women there to help in their own way, the main guys.. Sadly, it was deleted for Suzaku and Cecile...

Well the dress wasn't in the anime, so I don't see the point to put this in the PD (well, it doesn't make sense for C.C. to have kept her bondage outfit instead of the dress) but I guess they didn't want to lost totally this outfit. Oh well, Why not after all (that's unfair. C.C. always get the georgeous outfits -_-)

PD 7 is about Rollo that's it ?...Well I think I'm really waiting only for the last two PDs...

[SonOfHeaven]

I think that's why I didn't understand him joining Schneizel. He started the coup and wanted Suzaku to kill the emperor. You're probably right about Gino being loyal to the emperor but he ended with Schneizel who used freya. I guess hearing Lelouch said he killed the emperor was enough for Gino to not join them. The more I think about, the more I don't understand what was Gino's purpose.

@lolipopo

Who isn't upset about Kallen last part of her development. Turn 19,21,22 Kallen wanted an answer from Lelouch and she found out through the post stuff. Its ridiculous if you ask me.

C.C in her dress for a PD is alright. Both Lelouch and Suzaku had an change of clothes anyway.I'm guessing we'll find out why she wasn't wearing it during the last few episodes as well as Cecile's past. Which could fit to be PD8.

[Haku-Men]

I think that's why I didn't understand him joining Schneizel. He started the coup and wanted Suzaku to kill the emperor. You're probably right about Gino being loyal to the emperor but he ended with Schneizel who used freya. I guess hearing Lelouch said he killed the emperor was enough for Gino to not join them. The more I think about, the more I don't understand what was Gino's purpose.
I think you guys are putting too much thinking into him as a whole. He's a minor character with little to no impact on the series so in the end his decisions doesn't change or move the plot in anyway, he was just there to appeal to a certain fan group and you can tell that was his trope considering how poorly written he and along with Anya were portrayed infact the so called most "skilled" knights of Britannia were all portrayed poorly by going down one by one so it's pointless to find water in an empty well which sadly Gino is....

PD 7 is about Rollo that's it ?...Well I think I'm really waiting only for the last two PDs...
Yeah I think I'll skip PD7 for obviously reasons:heh:
(no wonder none of them has been subbed)

[Narona]

Yeah. And Cecile is in a blue dress and C.C. is playing a harp (O.o Why?) There will be a video uploaded soon.If it's true, then it's a good news :)

Thye source is some interview thing with Taniguchi. There's actually pictures. I'm pretty sure it's the last one. Cecile was in it too.

Can you send the pictures to me? please >o<

[SonOfHeaven]

I think you guys are putting too much thinking into him as a whole. He's a minor character with little to no impact on the series so in the end his decisions doesn't change or move the plot in anyway, he was just there to appeal to a certain fan group and you can tell that was his trope considering how poorly written he and along with Anya were portrayed infact the so called most "skilled" knights of Britannia were all portrayed poorly by going down one by one so it's pointless to find water in an empty well which sadly Gino is....

Yeah I think I'll skip PD7 for obviously reasons:heh:
(no wonder none of them has been subbed)

You're right at the end of the day, he's pointless anyhow. He wasn't even shown during ZR.

Most of the PD's aren't being subbed since most of them aren't very interesting. That's why I'm hoping the last one is between the MC's in regards to Lelouch. I could care less about the other characters. We can probably guess what the other characters are doing.

[Sonae]

If it's true, then it's a good news :)



Can you send the pictures to me? please >o<

I can't cause their not mine nor do I have screenshots

[Haku-Men]

I can't cause their not mine nor do I have screenshots
Damn it all! :upset:
Glad your not a risk taker :D

[Narona]

From the gamefaqs (not so) secret board:

On an NHK program, Taniguchi was on and he showed off some Geass PD work. It's a picture of C.C., who is wearing her Empress dress and playing a harp, next to Cecile, who is also wearing some fancy dress.

I love how some people there already start complaining that it doesn't sound interesting, oh I wonder why <.<, Oh wait I think I know >.>

[Sonae]

Damn it all! :upset:
Glad your not a risk taker :D

What do you mean by that?

[Lolipopo]

From the gamefaqs (not so) secret board:



I love how some people there already start complaining that it doesn't sound interesting, oh I wonder why <.<, Oh wait I think I know >.>

We are talking about Rolo's PD I think :heh:

Well for me it's because I'm afraid of more fanservice (yaoi panderiiing...) and well...I was never a big Rolo fan but in Turn 19.

[Haku-Men]

We are talking about Rolo's PD I think :heh:

Well for me it's because I'm afraid of more fanservice (yaoi panderiiing...) and well...I was never a big Rolo fan but in Turn 19.
Yaoi=Rolo's entire fanbase
Yaoi=Gino's entire fanbase
Yaoi-Kanon's entire fanbase

I think you get the picture:heh:

[Narona]

We are talking about Rolo's PD I think :heh:

Well for me it's because I'm afraid of more fanservice (yaoi panderiiing...) and well...I was never a big Rolo fan but in Turn 19.
Nope, they were talking about that news about C.C. in her empress dress and Cecile.

I just find annoying the people who start criticizing when we don't know much about that PD (who I think is the PD8)

[Grey Dawn]

Nope, they were talking about that news about C.C. in her empress dress and Cecile.

I just find annoying the people who start criticizing when we don't know much about that PD (who I think is the PD8)

They just don't see how CC in a dress plays into Cecile's history, hence concern it'll be a fanservice PD.

[SonOfHeaven]

We are talking about Rolo's PD I think :heh:

Well for me it's because I'm afraid of more fanservice (yaoi panderiiing...) and well...I was never a big Rolo fan but in Turn 19.

Same here. I feel PD's 4-6 are fanservice, hopefully PD7 is decent but I'm not a Rolo fan. I'm think PD8 should be alright.

@Grey

I feel the same way. That's my only concern given what the recent PD's have been like.

[Frostfire]

Now I think I am a bit let down by PD8 as well. I was hoping for a pure flashback, character development PD. But we're getting Cecile and C.C. in fancy dresses?

Doesn't sound too promising.

And...

Doesn't sound too promising, but I guess that could still be part flashback even with all the fancy dresses, so who knows. Even if it could just be a brief scene or two, like the whole thing about Schneizel and Kannon.

I do not see complaining, I see people expressing concern.

[Narona]

They just don't see how CC in a dress plays into Cecile's history, hence concern it'll be a fanservice PD.
That's jumping to conclusion. There are other possibilities than fan service.

It might talk about suzaku (from Cecile POV) and Lelouch (from c.c. pov)

Hence, they just jump the gun for some reasons.

[Haku-Men]

Same here. I feel PD's 4-6 are fanservice, hopefully PD7 is decent but I'm not a Rolo fan. I'm think PD8 should be alright.
Don't worry we have the last picture drama to look forward to to make up for all the disappointment we've gotten with the PDs the SDs is another story since all we're getting is a character song from two of the most hated characters in the series.

[Frostfire]

That's jumping to conclusion. There are other possibilities than fan service.

It might talk about suzaku (from Cecile POV) and Lelouch (from c.c. pov)

Hence, they just jump the gun for some reasons.

The PD has already been described as a PD about Cecile's backstory. That has nothing to do with either Suzaku or Lelouch, but maybe Suzaku if there is an explanation for the brother/Suzaku bit.

So yes, its jumping to conclusion but on released information about the PD. So unless they changed their plans, they are not really jumping anything.

[Lolipopo]

Yaoi=Rolo's entire fanbase
Yaoi=Gino's entire fanbase
Yaoi-Kanon's entire fanbase

I think you get the picture:heh:

We can add Schneizel too ? :heh:

And half of the Suzaku and Lulu's fanbase :heh:

...Ok. I think it's crystal clear why they enjoy to take this way for their side stuff xD

Narona : My mistake then.

Same here. I feel PD's 4-6 are fanservice, hopefully PD7 is decent but I'm not a Rolo fan. I'm think PD8 should be alright

I'd like to trust Rolo's PD but well...he is fon d of his nii cha so if it's about him and Nii-chan...xD
Well...let's have some faith. -_-'' (Though they had so many holes to fill instead of doing this...)

[Narona]

Don't worry we have the last picture drama to look forward to to make up for all the disappointment we've gotten with the PDs the SDs is another story since all we're getting is a character song from two of the most hated characters in the series.The most interesting to come is the last Pictures Drama, many people I know (i have friends from every fangroups, of pairings for example, or from those who still hope that they will show something and announce a sequel to CG LotR) have high expectations about it :)

Myself, I am quite curious.

I am also looking forward to the last SD, but it's crack materials, so not really interetsing, but it will be fun xD

[incorrupts]

I love how some people there already start complaining that it doesn't sound interesting, oh I wonder why <.<, Oh wait I think I know >.>



Hence, they just jump the gun for some reasons.

You mean because there is lack of Kallen and the Kallen fans rave about it? It is obvious.

And you may have a point, statistically speaking. Then again, you may have not.

Anyway, from the looks, it does seem like literally-out-for-lunch, for C.C to be there playing her harp, but sure. It is not like i would not expect from Sunrise something like this.

[Haku-Men]

The most interesting to come is the last Pictures Drama, many people I know (i have friends from every fangroups, of pairings for example, or from those who still hope that they will show something and announce a sequel to CG LotR) have high expectations about it :)

Myself, I am quite curious.

I am also looking forward to the last SD, but it's crack materials, so not really interetsing, but it will be fun xD
I'm actually hoping the last PD for R2 mirrors the last PD from R1 but given they'll try to squeeze as many characters since it's an epilogue to the series I'm expecting to be crushed but not so much I mean anything is better than sleepovers, belly dancing, and.....Rolo:upset:

[Meatrose]

I hope for the last PD to be a letter from Lelouch, narrated by Fukuyama Jun. That would be awesome.

[Haku-Men]

I hope for the last PD to be a letter from Lelouch, narrated by Fukuyama Jun. That would be awesome.
Sadly Fukuyama Jun stated that he wouldn't be in the last picture drama :(

[Meatrose]

Sadly Fukuyama Jun stated that he wouldn't be in the last picture drama :(

Ah, okay. I thought he said that it was an interesting story but that he didn't say if he was going to be in it or not. My bad then.

[Narona]

Anyway, from the looks, it does seem like literally-out-for-lunch, for C.C to be there playing her harp, but sure. It is not like i would not expect from Sunrise something like this.
About the harp thingy, it mostly reminds me a fairytale I read and listened to when I was a kid. It was coming with tape cassette, and a woman was telling the story while playing the harp :D.

I'm actually hoping the last PD for R2 mirrors the last PD from R1 but given they'll try to squeeze as many characters since it's an epilogue to the series I'm expecting to be crushed but not so much I mean anything is better than sleepovers, belly dancing, and.....Rolo:upset:
What was shown in the last R1 PD?

I expect to see how the characters are doing in the world that lelouch and suzaku created. I am a fan of Ougi and Villetta for example (yeah, not everyone hate them), so I am looking forward to some news about them and their baby :D

I also expect to see how C.C., Nunnaly and suzaku are doing.

I know people who expect more than that, like a Lelouch-is-back Megaton, but I seriously don't believe in that. But oh well, if it happens, some fans will be glad because it would possibly mean a sequel, and some others would create a meltdown which would be fun to read.

The worse possibility is that we might get nothing interesting.

[Haku-Men]

Ah, okay. I thought he said that it was an interesting story but that he didn't say if he was going to be in it or not. My bad then.
Well he stated that he wasn't gonna be credit or listed in the last picture drama along with Rolo's VA so just put two and two together as a whole.

[yvj]

Sadly Fukuyama Jun stated that he wouldn't be in the last picture drama :(

Heaven forbid the last PD would have showcase the main character.

[Haku-Men]

About the harp thingy, it mostly reminds me a fairytale I read and listened to when I was a kid. It was coming with tape cassette, and a woman was telling the story while playing the harp :D.


What was shown in the last R1 PD?

I expect to see how the characters are doing in the world that lelouch and suzaku created. I am a fan of Ougi and Villetta for example (yeah, not everyone hate them), so I am looking forward to some news about them and their baby :D

I also expect to see how C.C., Nunnaly and suzaku are doing.

I know people who expect more than that, like a Lelouch-is-back Megaton, but I seriously don't believe in that. But oh well, if it happens, some fans will be glad because it would possibly mean a sequel, and some others will create a meltdown which will be fun to read.

The worse possibility is that we might get nothing interesting.
The last one for the first season was Suzaku reminiscing about his life after the Euphiemia incident and preparing to go into battle, this is actually my favorite picture drama due to Takahiro Sakurai's powerful delivery of his lines since you can really sense his pain as a whole.

I do hope to see how Nunally is doing like if she can walk now or her relationship with Suzaku has gone anywhere than just being platonic but I due hope they don't WASTE TOO MUCH TIME with the other characters (BTW hoping it's a girl)

[incorrupts]

About the harp thingy, it mostly reminds me a fairytale I read and listened to when I was a kid. It was coming with tape cassette, and a woman was telling the story while playing the harp :D.

Well, woman with harp, reminds me of the first installment of "Kill Bill" near the end of the movie. Good times. |DD;

I expect to see how the characters are doing in the world that lelouch and suzaku created. I am a fan of Ougi and Villetta for example (yeah, not everyone hate them), so I am looking forward to some news about them and their baby :D

I also expect to see how C.C., Nunnaly and suzaku are doing.


Yeah. me too. Oh and add Kallen to the mix of the world Lelouch created. I know a lot of people do hate her, but i don't.

[Haku-Men]

Heaven forbid the last PD would have showcase the main character.
Last time I checked Lelouch is dead and since this is an epilouge it won't make any sense for him to appear unless it's in a flashback or to bid farewell

[yvj]

Last time I checked Lelouch is dead and since this is an epilouge it won't make any sense for him to appear unless it's in a flashback or to bid farewell

I'm not saying he needs to show up as the Ghost of Chiristmas Past. But something concerning Lelouch can't be bad can it?

I wouldn't mind a flashback

[NDK]

The question through my head throughout this series is when are Syaoran and pals gonna enter the Code Geass world?

[Haku-Men]

Yeah. me too. Oh and add Kallen to the mix of the world Lelouch created. I know a lot of people do hate her, but i don't.

Yes, yes heaven forbid they forget about Kallen or else a mob of kalulu fans will torch Sunrise executives :heh: but still given the importance of it all I'll much prefer if Nunnally or Suzaku was the focus since Kallen did the epilogue to the tv ending already

[yvj]

Yes, yes heaven forbid they forget about Kallen or else a mob of kalulu fans will torch Sunrise executives :heh: but still given the importance of it all I'll much prefer if Nunnally or Suzaku was the focus since Kallen did the epilogue to the tv ending already

If we didn't attack because of the "ambiguous" ending or the fantastic lack of Kallen in official art why would we attack for such a petty thing as this?

But yes a peek at Suzaku would be intriguing.

[incorrupts]

Yes, yes heaven forbid they forget about Kallen or else a mob of kalulu fans will torch Sunrise executives :heh: but still given the importance of it all I'll much prefer if Nunnally or Suzaku was the focus since Kallen did the epilogue to the tv ending already

If a Kallen-give-us-more-rebellion were to break out, that would have happened a long ago, trust me. Outside the series, Kallen must be from the very few characters that gets nothing. Anyway, not the point.

As much as peculiar C.C + Cecile appears, i bet we will be more surprised when the PD is actually released.

[Haku-Men]

If a Kallen-give-us-more-rebellion were to break out, that would have happened a long ago, trust me. Outside the series, Kallen must be from the very few characters that gets nothing. Anyway, not the point.

As much as peculiar C.C + Cecile appears, i bet we will be more surprised when the PD is actually released.
I'd really like to see some pictures since Cecile is one of the most underrated geass girls in the series and everytime she puts on a dress she always looks good;)

[Narona]

The last one for the first season was Suzaku reminiscing about his life after the Euphiemia incident and preparing to go into battle, this is actually my favorite picture drama due to Takahiro Sakurai's powerful delivery of his lines since you can really sense his pain as a whole.

I do hope to see how Nunally is doing like if she can walk now or her relationship with Suzaku has gone anywhere than just being platonic but I due hope they don't WASTE TOO MUCH TIME with the other characters (BTW hoping it's a girl)
Thanks for the infos, I didn't know :)

(I hope it's a girl too :heh: ) well, I don't think (but it's a personal opinion) that suzaku will get any romantic development with Nunnaly, since nothing about that was shown in the anime, and the man seems still in love with Euphemia. But who knows :D

Last time I checked Lelouch is dead and since this is an epilouge it won't make any sense for him to appear unless it's in a flashback or to bid farewell

Yep. And bringing back lelouch after having stated many times that he was dead would not be serious at all XD. But the not-hardcore fans would find funny the mletdown that would come with it.

Another thing I expect, is that the last PD will be followed with an annoucement about a new CG series, with a new hero obviously :D. But I don't really believe that it will happen xD

[incorrupts]

Another thing I expect, is that the last PD will be followed with an annoucement about a new CG series, with a new hero obviously :D. But I don't really believe that it will happen xD
Believe in Sunrise that believes in money and never underestimate the power of milking something, while it is still fresh.

To be honest, i expect the last PD to be all C.C-ish. The reasons are quite obvious to the trained eye.

[azul120]

I wouldn't be too surprised if Kallen were to come up to Suzaku and/or Nunnally during the last PD.

[NDK]

If we didn't attack because of the "ambiguous" ending or the fantastic lack of Kallen in official art why would we attack for such a petty thing as this?

But yes a peek at Suzaku would be intriguing.

It's not ambiguous. It's pretty damn clear Ledouch is dead.

[Haku-Men]

Believe in Sunrise that believes in money and never underestimate the power of milking something, while it is still fresh.

To be honest, i expect the last PD to be all C.C-ish. The reasons are quite obvious to the trained eye.
Please no, I've seriously had enough of her but given her immortality this may be true though I'm crossing my fingers it's not.

[Narona]

Believe in Sunrise that believes in money and never underestimate the power of milking something, while it is still fresh.

To be honest, i expect the last PD to be all C.C-ish. The reasons are quite obvious to the trained eye.
I hope we will get a sequel, but I prefer lelouch to stay dead. I am still shipping the possibility that Okouchi or someone else can create a new great main character.

That would be a waste, even if I am a c.c. fan, I would prefer to see what happened to the other characters. If I had the choice, if I had to choose only one scene, I would choose news about villetta and ougi rather than seeing c.c. talking on a cart :D.

[azul120]

It's not ambiguous. It's pretty damn clear Ledouch is dead.

Wow. Sour grapes much?

[NDK]

Wow. Sour grapes much?

It's more like bad protaganist. I've had enough of the "I'M 4 FREEDUM LOLS!" I can just rewatch Zeta Gundam. No biggie.

[yvj]

It's not ambiguous. It's pretty damn clear Ledouch is dead.

Wasn't referring to his death.

I'm surprised that so many people don't want a last Lelouch appearance. I know he's dead but I'd like to have something with him featured in it.

But maybe it's just me.

[incorrupts]

That would be a waste, even if I am a c.c. fan, I would prefer to see what happened to the other characters. If I had the choice, if I had to choose only one scene, I would choose news about villetta and ougi rather than seeing c.c. talking on a cart :D.

Well, i would consider a real waste {and no offense but honest} if the last PD was about Ougi and Viletta. I mean, side-charas that got their nice ending delivered on a silver plate and moar happiness along the way? Um, no, no thanks.
I'd rather have C.C having monologues with the birds that are flying around the sky, i'll give her credit for that one, she delivers some epic speeches.
In general, i'd rather have something that concerns the most integral characters of the show.

[SonOfHeaven]

Wasn't referring to his death.

I'm surprised that so many people don't want a last Lelouch appearance. I know he's dead but I'd like to have something with him featured in it.

But maybe it's just me.

There's nothing wrong with Lelouch being featured via flashback.

[azul120]

It's more like bad protaganist. I've had enough of the "I'M 4 FREEDUM LOLS!" I can just rewatch Zeta Gundam. No biggie.

Or pretty much any other mainline Gundam series that uses the Federation vs. Zeon blueprint.