Utawarerumono Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

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[dxanato]

I really hope Aruruu is only little bit injure.

[Kyero Fox]

I Really hope to see it soon.

[RoboPanda]

I NEED it.... NOW

[Deathkillz]

all out war :D i hope hakuoro turns demon mode after seeing aruru...in that state...

[Renegade334]

The ever-present 10 out of 10 preceding the show is already there. XD
We've got a seer here...

Anyway, if someone happens to watch it directly on the Japanese channel and usually posts here, it'd be really appreciate if he or she could post screenshots here to keep us informed of what's going on since Omniscient is no longer blogging and is on a well-deserved hiatus.

A summary complementing the screenshots would also be a delightful addition.[/hint] Thanks in advance. :D

P.S. I wouldn't even mind if someone gave us the 4/2chan link with pics for us to Imageschack on our own accounts (since they only have an allotted amount of bandwidth then link back to pr0n advertisements after a while) then repost here.:D

[ccardoso]

This episode is one I'm really looking forward. This hasn't happened in a while... :D

[Lost]

Hopefully, Karura will pwn the Avu Kamuu's with her big stick.

[Renegade334]

Hmmm...seems like Omni is back but he might drop a few shows depending on how much free time he's got. Still, my previous request two posts above still stands.

[Zaris]

Already two votes for 10/10. On what basis are people scoring by? O_o

[ccardoso]

Already two votes for 10/10. On what basis are people scoring by? O_o
On spoilers lol :D

[Renegade334]

It's called divination.
Poof. You know everything about the future. :uhoh:
Even which lottery tickets are the winning ones.

...[/bs] Yeah, it's sad to already enter a '10' while the ep isn't aired yet...*sigh*

[ccardoso]

It's called divination.
Poof. You know everything about the future. :uhoh:
Even which lottery tickets are the winning ones.

...[/bs] Yeah, it's sad to already enter a '10' while the ep isn't aired yet...*sigh*
Not to exaggerate but this episode will be one of the more kick-ass of the summer! :D Give it 10 on trust is the minimum, considering the animators never disappointed us!

[Deathkillz]

comon if its so hyped up ofc its gona get an auto 10 :D unless it disappointed us (which it wont)

[Renegade334]

I think kick-ass will most definitely apply to the last episodes...that is, if they do justice to what is supposed to happen. Ep 22 is only a snapshot of what's to come - the spark that will set the powder keg alight - and ablaze.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7810/uta04aht0.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7810/uta04aht0.jpg)
BIG spoilerpic for you (this should take place in ep22). And an appetizer-idea of what should happen in ep25-26.

And...
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6803/uta06wu3.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6803/uta06wu3.jpg)
Doom coming from above, anyone? :D If you know what I mean... (I think it depicts that particular moment but I'm not sure...if only Zaris or someone else could confirm it...)

[ccardoso]

I think kick-ass will most definitely apply to the last episodes...that is, if they do justice to what is supposed to happen. Ep 22 is only a snapshot of what's to come - the spark that will set the powder keg alight - and ablaze.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7810/uta04aht0.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7810/uta04aht0.jpg)
BIG spoilerpic for you (this should take place in ep22). And an appetizer-idea of what should happen in ep25-26.

And...
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6803/uta06wu3.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6803/uta06wu3.jpg)
Doom coming from above, anyone? :D If you know what I mean... (I think it depicts that particular moment but I'm not sure...if only Zaris or someone else could confirm it...)

That pic isn't such a spoiler as that monster is in the OP since episode 1! :D

[Xellos-_^]

4chan out

http://bin.4chan.org/a/res/902513.html

[Renegade334]

W00t! And we're starting the flashback arc!

[dxanato]

4chan out

http://bin.4chan.org/a/res/902513.html


EEEKK spoiler!!

[Renegade334]

Since those pics disappear after a while and are replaced by pr0n advertisements, here's a Imageshacked collection of screenshots from ep22:

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In-game screenshot:
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[Omniscient]

Episode 22 Screencaps (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/08/28/utawarerumono-22/)

That was pretty awesome. The episode actually made me say "what the f*ck" out loud at the end when Hakuoro wakes up, looks at his hands, and they're still the beast form...and then he wakes up again.

[Srin Tuar]

Finally

Our first glimpse into what is behind the curtain, so to speak.
Apparently Hakuoro was some kind of scientist before he became a beast-gundam.

The only bad part of this episode was that long-ears (hauenka?) got away. I guess he had intended to bring back a very flat and squished version of hakuoro.
Im interested to see what happens to kuuya, her kuunekamun, and her plans for world domination now.

[Skane]

AWESOME!

My Japanese is at a suck level, but no comprehension is needed to feel the tension and excitment in this episode!

:D "Don't make me angry... you don't want me to be angry..." :D

[Kyero Fox]

Kick asS!!!!! i Wonna watch it more now

[ccardoso]

I've just watched the episode... what to say... Kuuya's forces were just OWNED.
Finally that Hauenka bastard psycho got what he deserved, even if he managed to save his ass: not for long, I hope.
Well this is just the beginning of the bill for Kuuya: I hope she will end raped and impaled! :D

[Skane]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention...

The 'mecha' turned out not to be mecha after all. They were actually organic, with armour plating.

Cue mucho blood fountains when Hakuoro went berserk on them.

[RunningTARGET]

Well this is just the beginning of the bill for Kuuya: I hope she will end up raped and impaled! :D

Thats a bit mean dont you think. :(



I long time back I stated he could be a scientist of some sort, it seams I was right. Also it seems like the real Hakouro died a long time ago, and the beast/dinasour took his past from the blood and recreated him self maybe. Actually that could explain why he cant take his mask off, its actually part of him like a bone per say. <- guess here! ;)

[Renegade334]

Just watched the episode - the motherload of all spoilers. Whoa. Incredible.

- Hakuoro surprised us again with his foresight; he created ballistas against the Av Kamuus but they only bashed them back without causing injury. Although they didn't last long, it was an impressive precaution from him.
- Seems like Mukkuru is strong enough to shove a running Av Kamuu backwards and send it sprawling.
- Av Kamuus are like Evangelions - if the 'outer body' is hurt, you're hurt too. You suffer, too. It looks like they enter from the 'hump back' into a gooey-like substance, entering a state of symbiosis with the mech.
- Hakuoro crushed one Av Kamuu's head with his bare hands - the pilot suffered the nerve feedback directly. Ouch. Dead on spot.
- Hakuoro literally swung Hauenkua around and sent him crying home to his mommy (literally). His comrades (except Hien, I believe) got the receiving end of the stick...no, club...darn, say, nuclear bomb. Before running back to Kunnekamun in a right state, he got his mecha's arm ripped off - his actual arm is intact but he felt the pain nonetheless.
- Flasback to the past with the scientist scene. You get a sneak shot (you don't see his entire face) of Hakuoro when he was still a human. It explains how he became the man with a mask (he's got another name in the story so be patient).
- Other flashback to the earthquake that preceded ep01. Aruruu fell from a tree and Eruruu begged anyone for help. Guess who answered the summons? Yep, that's right - Hakuoro in his beast form. And they made a contract to save Aruruu.
- Hakuoro wakes up in his bed and clutches his head, suffering from the aftereffects of...a 'nightmare'? (it was shown as such to make him doubt about him but the events preceding his awakening were actual) He then realizes that his hands are still in 'beast' mode and he shouts in horror...only to wake up again and realize that the 'monster-hand' thing was still part of a nightmare.
- Eruruu seems a bit distant.

Next ep: Oh dear...just what I was dreading...Yuzuha's fate...or should I say, 'doom'


- Welcome to the flashback arc!

[Kyero Fox]

Just watched the episode and it was Awesome

[cloudninja]

Seems like Hakuoro should have the power to heal Yuzuha too unless there is some special reason for her sickness that is beyond even his powers. Dude should take care of his harem, maybe make a contract with her too...

Hauenkua deserves a serious beat down, hope he gets it later. A quick death would be too merciful for him.

[Renegade334]

Hakuoro doesn't have the power to heal her. His...powers only resurface in certain situations (either life-threatening or when he's about to lose something he cherishes or simply holds dear) and right now he doesn't know how to control them - and there is a simple reason why he cannot use them.
He simply forgot his true nature and what he can do - his amnesia effectively blocking within his mind the way to use his powers.
And either way...by now the only way he could save her would be to transform into his "beast" body and do what he did with Eruruu prior to ep01 - a contract. (since we see the contract in this episode, I guess it isn't so much a spoiler anymore) But he cannot make a magical contract while not in his "beast" form and mindset. When he is in his human (well, right now) he has no powers. Yet.
...Which is why there is nothing special or supernatural with his deal with Karura. He didn't make it while in his monstrous, powerful body.

Ep23 or 24 should see Kunnekamun get whacked into next week, that much is certain, but I guess we'll have another drama focus to worry about in ep23...
Yuzuha. I guess she's going to die of natural causes instead of exhaustion after childbirth like in the game. That episode involves something that is inappropriate for younger minds so I guess they're going to snuff the whole 'Yuzuha-wants-a-child-from-Hakuoro-and-dies-in-childbirth' thing

[Incoan]

Hoho , that was quite an episode. I was literally glued to the chair when the music accompanying Hakuoro pwnage started. The face expressions of the blue-haired guy were priceless. I'm actually happy he survived - there's hope we'll get to see this arrogant bastard's WTF face more in the future. Yes , let him suffer!

BTW , what's up with these "BIG" (at least it says so in the description) spoilers appearing in the anime thread? I'm very tempted to click on them , you know :heh:

[Zaris]

Episode 22 Screencaps/Synopsis (http://www.takattack.net/exile/)

It's 5 AM. I'll put my opinions in later. :P

[Owaranai Destiny]

Finally...something a little bit more about our dear old main character. I thought his bestial form looked impressive too. Just a small observation....maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could the blue creature shown at the last part of the ending sequence be something very much like Hakuoro in essence?

[Skane]

I second the love for the battle song that plays when Hakuoro becomes the beast within and goes about destroying the Avu Kamuus. It helps that his beast form has no lips, so it looks as though he is perpetually grinning as he goes about asundering limbs and all.

Upon repeated viewings, I realised that when Hauenkua ran screaming away, he screamed for his 'Mama' as well! Oh man, that cracked me up!

[Kyero Fox]

I second the love for the battle song that plays when Hakuoro becomes the beast within and goes about destroying the Avu Kamuus. It helps that his beast form has no lips, so it looks as though he is perpetually grinning as he goes about asundering limbs and all.

Upon repeated viewings, I realised that when Hauenkua ran screaming away, he screamed for his 'Mama' as well! Oh man, that cracked me up!


ditto Hakuoro deserves that music

[zalas]

- Seems like Mukkuru is strong enough to shove a running Av Kamuu backwards and send it sprawling.
Not just that. Looks like Mukkur is strong enough to tear through part of their armor.

[gammaoh]

Well, Mukkuru is a kind of living god. He's Yaanaun-kami's little beastie (the god of the forest). And you can see that Mukkuru was still unhurt even after the blow he took from the mecha.

My thoughts on this eppy now. It's the first (well, maybe second I don't remember exactly) I have given a perfect mark to an Utawarerumono episode. Even though the story was going fair, it never had me as caught in as I was when watching this episode today. Especially the part where Hakuoro was starting to scream in despair. I knew what was going to happen and I couldn't even feel my heart beating anymore.

The fact that we've finally reached the final arc and, of course, Hauenka's priceless humiliation and the final element on Hakuoro's true nature (he basically IS god if I understand properly) made this episode worth its ten points. GUNG HO!!!!

[Eleutheria]

9/10 since Beast Form was drawn rather flatly, without much shadowing or texture. It looks amazing in the OP, though.

[Renegade334]

And you can see that Mukkuru was still unhurt even after the blow he took from the mecha.
Don't forget that Mukkuru was the child of Muteikapa, who happened to have a pelt impervious to sharp weapons unless doused in water. It's normal for Mukkuru not to be injured by blades and whatnot but concussions or welts still can't be avoided.

Hauenka's priceless humiliation
It's now certain that his 'tasukete, tasukete, mamma, mamma!' is going to become a favorite of mine. :D

I second the love for the battle song that plays when Hakuoro becomes the beast within and goes about destroying the Avu Kamuus.
This music also showed up in ep15 when Hakuoro punched Yue/Niwe back and his arm disappeared in wafts of darkness...it seems like it'll be the standard BGM for those uber-power/beast-metamorphosis moments.

[Varis]

am I the only one that was annoyed with Erurus super hyper sensitive emo? Is her mind going to recess next because someone dropped a spoon? Even the little Aruru still called Hakuoro her dad in his beast form and she was unconcious for all of it.
I mean is it THAT hard to believe? They knew there was something up with him and apparently they saw his true form before. So why all this "shock".

There is war all around her, so why get so shocked at violence... Hating it is fine but why be suprised over and over and over again?

Perhaps I just have a completely different outlook on things. Perhaps I just don't understand such a position.

[kron]

not bad but they really are trying to squeeze things into the last couple eps.

i played the game long time ago so i cant recall exactly but i swear hakuoro's past was different.

all i remember was the virtual image of the scientist, him being in the lab under observations and number 34 which is his closest clone calling him for help through her/his mind... stuff like that.

can someone send me a pm to confirm if the anime is sticking to the game at all?

[Xellos-_^]

am I the only one that was annoyed with Erurus super hyper sensitive emo? Is her mind going to recess next because someone dropped a spoon? Even the little Aruru still called Hakuoro her dad in his beast form and she was unconcious for all of it.
I mean is it THAT hard to believe? They knew there was something up with him and apparently they saw his true form before. So why all this "shock".

There is war all around her, so why get so shocked at violence... Hating it is fine but why be suprised over and over and over again?

Perhaps I just have a completely different outlook on things. Perhaps I just don't understand such a position.

She saw it before but she didn't remeber it. After she made the contract, her memory was suppress.

[Renegade334]

Just a small observation....maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could the blue creature shown at the last part of the ending sequence be something very much like Hakuoro in essence?
Very good eyesight. The blue creature you see in the ED is obviously Hakuoro - as for the red one, I'll abstain from revealing too much since its presence will be the crux of the final arc.

Let's just say that they're veeeerryy alike...yet so different. Oh yes. Ooooh yes. ;)
Those who know what I'm talking about will surely smirk at this.

[Selic]

I think there was a level in the game where you hunted out what looked like infant Av Kamu. It looked like the upper torso cut off with only a few pieces of armor.

[mikemil828]

am I the only one that was annoyed with Erurus super hyper sensitive emo? Is her mind going to recess next because someone dropped a spoon? Even the little Aruru still called Hakuoro her dad in his beast form and she was unconcious for all of it.
I mean is it THAT hard to believe? They knew there was something up with him and apparently they saw his true form before. So why all this "shock".

There is war all around her, so why get so shocked at violence... Hating it is fine but why be suprised over and over and over again?

Perhaps I just have a completely different outlook on things. Perhaps I just don't understand such a position.

If your girlfriend was a 50 foot monster, I would think you would be pretty emo too.

[Onizuka-GTO]

If your girlfriend was a 50 foot monster, I would think you would be pretty emo too.

Well if she's still cute, and has breasts, i won't mine. :D

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Hohoho, the flashback screens remind me of the monorail episode in the Simpsons:

(replace Hakuoro with "Batman" for original quotes)

Marge: Homer, don't worry I've got someone who can help you!
Homer: Hakuoro?
Marge: No, he's a scientist.
Homer: Hakuoro is a scientist.
Marge: IT'S NOT HAKUORO!

[PGilis]

Well if she's still cute, and has breasts, i won't mine. :D

Even if you put some Herapetta in her drink last night, and the effects are about to start anytime soon? :p

[Renegade334]

Weeeelll...Somebody said a long time ago that 'alcohol had been created so that ugly women could get laid every once in a while' but still...
...Wonder why Karura is so obsessed by alcohol then.

Anyway, for Eruruu:
am I the only one that was annoyed with Erurus super hyper sensitive emo? Is her mind going to recess next because someone dropped a spoon? Even the little Aruru still called Hakuoro her dad in his beast form and she was unconcious for all of it.
The only thing she saw was Hakuoro get crushed - she never saw him in his beast body since it seems that her memory was erased and was remembered of the contract by beast-Hakuoro himself. She might have thought the beast had been summoned by Hakuoro - with all those black clouds swirling I'm not sure she saw his transformation.
Besides...nobody saw Hakuoro become a beast before...only Niwe/Yue and Dii did. So it's normal for her to be shocked. Although it's strange that when she rushed to the center of the clearing and reached for Eruruu (although it's understandable since she has priority as a child compared to 'oji-san' :D) she didn't bother to look around for Hakuoro. It's still perfectly understandable since it's her sister and she was deathly afraid she'd be dead. The dreaded confirmation that her heart had stopped beating might have taken Hakuoro out of her mind right after.

I mean is it THAT hard to believe? They knew there was something up with him and apparently they saw his true form before. So why all this "shock".
Read above. She doesn't seem to remember. It's only when Aruruu says 'otou-san' that she seems to snap out of it and piece things together. Maybe Aruruu sort of recognized beast-Hakuoro's magic (maybe it has some sort of signature - like a scent, if you know what I mean) and identified the beast for what and who it truly was.

There is war all around her, so why get so shocked at violence... Hating it is fine but why be suprised over and over and over again?
I'm not sure that, if in the subway someone pulled a gun and blew a close bystander's brains all up to the blue yonder, I'd just blink and say, 'bah, same shit, just another day'. Even if it's a daily occurrence and you get to see it in the news every evening, you just don't get used to it. Eruruu's job is to heal people, not to just squeak 'oops' or rejoice when somebody kicks the bucket in a gruesome way.

[Green²]

No idea on how much now that Hakuoro and Eruruu are aware of the beast form at the end. Probably they, maybe only a bit confused as to how they may feel now. Minor I suppose,.. maybe even will pass in time. Only, now you have rabbit dude that ran off scared shitless of what was seen of what Hakuoro had become.

...use fear as an weapon, everything for Hakuoro could turn out rather ugly. For what is known of the beast, is out in the open.
...turing his people against him. :sad:

[Zaris]

Good morning, or should I say good afternoon? :frustrated:

To be honest, I didn't know how to rate the episode for a long time. I admit to having played the game in its entirety, so I had a list of expectations of things I wanted to see and things I wanted people to say to each other when it came time to view this episode. I tried very very hard to separate what I wanted out of the show from how the producers portrayed it and seeing whether it worked or failed. It is important to realize that adaptations do NOT have to stay true to the original work and that what you know from the original must not influence your judgment.

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I'll begin with something very generic: the CG. Both moments (the troops retreating and the gate closing) were too obviously separated from the animation and kind of distracted me. But that's being a little too nitty-gritty, isn't it. Still this isn't CG wars so I feel this must be mentioned.

The tactics used to handle the colossus got more impressive as the minutes continued, and I was quite satisfied that they were able to give Hauenkua a moment of stun. Of course, his nature is "kill all and end all' so I expected nothing less of him. His portrayal didn't get any softer until his moment of defeat, so as I thought he is a well-done antagonist - much more so than all the previous ones we've seen.

The dramatic moment: from what we've already seen, it's perfectly characteristic of Aruruu to come to Hakuoro's defense when and how she wants to. Unfortuantely, childhood ambitions aren't enough when facing someone of Hauenkua's nature and so she pays the price of it. You can't fault Hakuoro for feeling the way he did.

Regarding the moment of impact: it wasn't rushed, and it wasn't noise-filled. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we expected Aruruu to meet death sometime in this episode. But the real shocker is that although she was pretty much a goner when she was thrown off of Mukkuru, Hauenkua wanted more. He made certain that she would suffer a bloody one. That's unnecessary villainous that makes the impact of the whole scene more heart-stopping. And it works, it really does.

Now what some people have called "hyper-sensitive emo" of Eruruu is what I call poor analysis. We the audience are privilaged to knowing a secret about Hakuoro that nobody in the anime does (minus Dii of course). It's called dramatic irony - something the audience knows but the characters we empathise with don't. In these conditions the viewers are participating in the scene; we all root for Hakuoro to turn beastly and deal utter pain to Hauenkua, we just can't tell them when or how. But you can't (and you shouldn't) place our own expectations and our own knowledge of the scenario onto characters who don't know the entirety of the scene and hope they'll learn to conform. It lessens the dramatic impact. That said, Eruruu's emo is justified and quite provocative, and it suits her nature.

If you were a person who has never played the game (and nobody should be expected to know about the game), you might consider the scene with the scientists to be a little out of place. You'd probably think, "did the producers just mix footage of one anime with another?" or something. If you don't know an ounce of Japanese, it is important to realize that it is Hakuoro's voice on the raised platform with the fossil. That voice is what links both scenes together. Is it Hakuoro? If you spend some time an analyze the aspects of it, you'll soon come to realize.

Normally, one would throw a fit and say, "geez, not ANOTHER mystery!" But the sci-fi appearance of it all kinda makes it a likable mystery because it is so out-of-place and out-of-time. And speaking of out-of-time, we're treated to the scene of the contract that titles this episode. If you have a chronological sense of the events that's transpired up to this point, you will understand what it is all about and when it took place.

If I had to complain of anything, it would be that we were probably fed with too many emotional scenes of Eruruu, one after another mourning for the possible death of her sister. But I believe that out of any particular moment of the episode, that would have to be the best fitting.

The episode ends with something unforseen with Eruruu's code of behavior - she withholds information from Hakuoro for the first time. Hakuoro is still in denial, but I think he's slowly learning to accept his double-nature. The secret that we the audience have known for a long time is revealed to Eruruu (and Aruruu), which will probably strain their relationship or just make it even more complex...something I look foward to. Relationships are based on trust, and when one person knows something the other doesn't, it makes for...problematic moments.

Reflecting on all these points, I give this episode 9/10. Some of the animation didn't work either because of inconsistancy of the thickness of the lines or the uglyness of anime/CG mix. That or objects seem too stuck out from the middle/background. After all, this isn't just a story: this is art. I think the last well-drawn episodes were 16 and 18; after that, nothing looked consistant.

These are some of MY expectations that I filtered out:
- Time of Day: the scene was much too blue. Needed more of an orangy-afternoon type or a firey theme to it because the whole episode is about death. Blue just doesn't reflect that.
- Can't Get Enough: Hauenkua should've been laughing more after he killed Aruruu, like all the way to the point where Hakuoro drops down on his knees.
- That Damn Eye Twitch!: Do you recall the one Evangelion episode where Shinji finds his best friend in the unit he was forced to destroy? I wanted something more like that - less movement in the eye, more expanding of the eyelid (hard to do with a mask in the way, but I wanted it anyway). The pupil shrinking is good. Furthermore, I think the two parts where he sees blood coming out of Aruruu's body could be reduced in time length. The point is pretty clear.
- Just a Foot?: To strenuate Eruruu's trama, it may have been better to show the foot coming down on Aruruu and Hakuoro then just panning the camera down on a foot that's already on the ground. But that's just me.
- Sudden Reversal: Hauenkua is a guy who just can't contain his emotions, most notabily laughter. When he saw his Avu Kamu destroyed, I think he should be screaming in terror a lot more than he did.
- Plea to the Man!: I think there wasn't as enough emotional "umph" to the contract between the anomaly and Eruruu during the flashback as there could be. Eruruu didn't look or sound all that desparate in my opinion. This stems from my background of what I know from the game.


Ok...

[shonosuke]

How much episodes will the anime have?

and is the game a H-game?
If so..
Its pretty sick of hakuoro to have sex with a blind and sick person

[Zaris]

Projected to have 26 episodes (think all anime runs as 26 per season because there's 52 weeks in a year).

Yes it is from a H-game. But before you get grossed out prematurely, there's an entire scenario behind everything...

There's a thread about it too...

[Onizuka-GTO]

and is the game a H-game?
If so..
Its pretty sick of hakuoro to have sex with a blind and sick person


What? So your saying Yuzuha is not human? And that she shouldn't have the right to love, and be loved in return?

You sound like the sick one to me...but what would I know? If I was blind and sick and I met a nice women who I like, I might find it sick that she wants to love me too......yeah right. :rolleyes:

[shonosuke]

LOVING someone is diffrent then having SEX with someone and knowing the person is sick and blind letting it have your babies

[PGilis]

How much episodes will the anime have?

and is the game a H-game?
If so..
Its pretty sick of hakuoro to have sex with a blind and sick person

Yes, the game is originally H-Game, but this (or next) month will be released a PS2 version without H-Scenes, and voices added.

And just to you know...



...Hakuoro had sex with that blind and sick person (i assume you're talking about Yuzuha here :heh: ) because she herself asked him.

You see, like you said, Yuzuha is very sick and on top of that has a incurable heart disease, so she can die any momment.

And she know that. Yuzuha didn't want to die without leave something - a legacy - in the world. She didn't want simply disappear without any trace. So she chose to have a baby first... Hakuoro's baby!

For a long time she was in love for Hakuoro, so she asked Oboro to convince him to give her a baby. And he consented. That was maybe the last wish of a dying person. What he could to do?

[shonosuke]

Just got myself spoiled
Too bad it goes sci-fi

[Deathkillz]

in other words hakuoro is a very lucky man :D
edit : just saw the ep and i gotta say its wht ive expected...ie WOW :D
hakuoro going demon is just fantastic...tearing into those dam gundams like a hot knife through butter :p
its a good thing that aruruu is all well now...if she was killed off it would be a great shock to everyone...and good on mukruru ^^

but the thing im confused about is the flash scene to that science lab...is it some alternate world to the world our heros are in? is it even a flashback or a scene that happens in the future?

[Zaris]

but the thing im confused about is the flash scene to that science lab...is it some alternate world to the world our heros are in? is it even a flashback or a scene that happens in the future?

In episode 22, Hakuoro believes it is a memory, possibly his own. And memory implies an event which has happened in the past.

Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn!!!!

[Varis]

I still don't see Erurus reaction as justified. In fact I thought she was irresponsible and careless. (I just called it "emo" at first)

Have you ever seen someone very injured in car accident perhaps? Have you ever killed an animal on purpose or accident? Ever been assoulted? Robbed? All can be very traumatic experiences where you can freeze, run or just break down.

I can tell you though that after seeing or experiencing it over and over again you will get used to it or learn to deal with it. It can mess you up but you won't "freeze" or get into shock just from seeing it.

Or what would you think when a nurse comes in to check on you, sees you, drops what she is carrying, screams and goes into a fetal position? Even if it looks bad... even if you think it's horrible it should not stop you from doing your job. If you can't handle that, you can't perform your job.

Eruru is the healer of the bunch. She has been through many battles and tended to many many people. She had to pretty much fix up EVERYONE so far. Having a loved one or friend hurt is not exactly a revelation. It's happend before.
Running around aimlessly is bad enough but when she saw Aruru hurt she just freaked and ran INTO THE MIDDLE OF 3 MECHAS KILLING STUFF and started to bawl. No running up and getting Aruru to safety then taking care of her... no.. she just held her in the middle of the fight with a big neon "please kill me" sign on her forehead. WTF is she doing? Making sure to get attention since Aruru is unconcious and can't do it herself?

I mean how would you react when Hakuoro get's the cliché glazed look on his face everytime there is someone getting killed? Add the negative color frame for the extra extra effect... oooh or my favorite... he sees Eruru getting stabbed by some nemesis, screams and crawls (because he can't walk anymore) up to her and holds her screaming no no no etc etc etc and of course... he get's stabbed by the same guy that just stabbed Eruru.

You don't expect it... because he has a responsebility. He has to take care of everyone. Eruru has a responsebility too and that's why her reaction pissed me off. It's not dramatic... it's just stupid.

As for her not knowing anything, I think that's very wrong. She knows he killed his family, she knows he keeps having those nightmares then there is that annoying enemy lord that kept messing with hakuoro, the mask... not to mention HER SISTER recognized Hakuoro immediatly. If she could tell by scent, then so could Eruru.

So no, I don't see a reason to excuse Eruru yet. If it wasn't hyper emo, then it's simple stupidity. I just won't buy that kinda reaction from the healer of the army.

[Skane]

~
No running up and getting Aruru to safety then taking care of her... no.. she just held her in the middle of the fight with a big neon "please kill me" sign on her forehead. WTF is she doing? Making sure to get attention since Aruru is unconcious and can't do it herself?
~
Erm, Aruruu was not unconcious at that point. She was dead. You can't heal the dead.

Hence the significance of the heartbeat scene later on when she is revived by Hakuoro.

EDIT] And furthermore, Aruruu is not some random stranger that died. Aruruu was her SOLE surviving direct family member. Eruruu is not some emotionless shell. Wouldn't you be sad too if your sibling died in front of your eyes?

[Srin Tuar]

Erm, Aruruu was not unconcious at that point. She was dead. You can't heal the dead.


Hrm, Im surprised anyone would think she was merely injured.
I guess they could have drawn her up more gorily, perhaps some limbs missing,
her head lolling at an impossible angle.

But this show isnt really all that big on the gore.
They show represented arru's death with dirt on her face and a puddle of blood underher. With Hakuoro's reaction, I have to admit that I wasnt sure. But Eruru's reaction
was unmistakable, espically with that sound she made. (I have to give credit to the VA, that yelp was so full of meaning)

[Onizuka-GTO]

"yelping."

emotions only an inu-mimi could convey

:D :D

[ChainLegacy]

Wow, wow, wow times infinity. I knew it was going to happen, but my heart was racing at how badass and amazing it was when Hakuoro went godzilla on those imbecilic rabbit fools. It was so awesome... So Hakuoro lived in sometime near our current time, it seems? Or perhaps a bit in the future.

[Deathkillz]

In episode 22, Hakuoro believes it is a memory, possibly his own. And memory implies an event which has happened in the past.

Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn!!!!

hmm but no matter how you look at it the memory was clear set in the future of the current timeline >.< paradox? :p

[Fighter747]

3 words: Think "Post Apocalypse". =p

[Renegade334]

I think the best way to give you an idea of what the UM world is, is:
A reverse evolution. From high-tech you go to middle ages.

And, to spoil you even more, I'll just say that, as stated in a previous post, it's a post-apocalyptic world. And since we're still talking Gundam here, I'll have as a last note a comparison with the Turn A series. If you know what's so special about the Turn A world then you can have a very safe guess as to what happened to UM.

So...do you understand why Hakuoro remembers something that seems so modern, so out of place in a medieval/Ainu-like world?

That's all, folks.

[shonosuke]

Anime hakuoro is alot less perverted then then the game one

[emessen]

Anime hakuoro is alot less perverted then then the game one

you never played the game...

you JUST found out last page that utawarerumono is based off an h-game...
and since it's an h-game it has sex scenes... that means the main character
in those scenes must be some sort of sick twisted lecher... right?

no

so before you go perpetuate that assumption... i'll link this which breaks down
the ero scenes in the game....

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=600896&postcount=99

read that, look up what perverse means... and rethink your opinion

[Trax]

LOVING someone is diffrent then having SEX with someone and knowing the person is sick and blind letting it have your babies

Although love and sex don't go always go hand in hand, they're not mutually exclusive... And her condition is no reason for her not to want to be loved mentally and physically.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Why don't we just stray further away and talk about STDs....Geez...

Can we focus on the anime episode instead of talking about whether Hakuoro is a sex fiend or not?

@ Renegade: That makes more sense, I guess. Those gods that they were talking about might even be some sort of scientific masterpiece created before.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Anime hakuoro is alot less perverted then then the game one

Perhaps, but by human standard, Hakuoro is a sexual deviant, after all he shows no interest in the opposite sex, and thus it concludes he has no interest in reproduction.

Which by natures standard, he is abnormal and utterly useless as a human being.

plus because of the lack of interaction with the other females, their character developments, their relationship with him seems shallow, and stagnated.

But that's my opinion, after all some people like alittle more depth, then this watered down version....

[PGilis]

That's pretty much true. Anime-Hakuoro looks like a 80 years-old priest, compared to the more funny and natural game-Hakuoro.

I'm not saying he needs to jump on girls all horny and excited, but for Christ's sake, at least blush when a beautiful and seductive girl using just underwears is above you saying she will give herself entirely to you, instead look shocked and ask her 'what are you is doing'! Be a man!! :heh:

That's pretty much the reason because poor Eruruu got a DENIED message all the time with the same lame "kazoku" (family) excuse and that merchant offered to him some herapetta. For sure he was needing some. :D

Heck, even that stupid Shirou stole a kiss from Saber at the ending of FSN! Do we need to expect less from Hakuoro? ;)

[Trax]

Erm, Aruruu was not unconcious at that point. She was dead. You can't heal the dead.

She could have tried CPR, although I'm not sure that's a known procedure in the Utawarerumono world.

I was rather disappointed with one thing about this episode; it seems that maniac got away instead of getting squished along with his crappy mech armor.

[PGilis]

Yeah, i wanted to see him desmembered in the more painfully way ever, but oh well.

Let's just see him trying to go back home in that long way, all alone and without his mecha, after he had destroyed so much villages and people. For sure there's someone a little upset with him willing to put their hands in his skull. :p

[Deathkillz]

I'm not saying he needs to jump on girls all horny and excited, but for Christ's sake, at least blush when a beautiful and seductive girl using just underwears is above you saying she will give herself entirely to you, instead look shocked and ask her 'what are you is doing'! Be a man!! :heh:


that is soo true...hakuoro needs to loosen up a bit and stop being a rock :D
Renegade334 ~ thx for that its clearer now :p

[Kyero Fox]

That's pretty much true. Anime-Hakuoro looks like a 80 years-old priest, compared to the more funny and natural game-Hakuoro.

I'm not saying he needs to jump on girls all horny and excited, but for Christ's sake, at least blush when a beautiful and seductive girl using just underwears is above you saying she will give herself entirely to you, instead look shocked and ask her 'what are you is doing'! Be a man!! :heh:

That's pretty much the reason because poor Eruruu got a DENIED message all the time with the same lame "kazoku" (family) excuse and that merchant offered to him some herapetta. For sure he was needing some. :D

Heck, even that stupid Shirou stole a kiss from Saber at the ending of FSN! Do we need to expect less from Hakuoro? ;)

truth truth truth! If that was me when Karura did what she did that night I'd

1. Pass out
2. Pounce Her
3. Nose bleed to death
4. Say "Lock the doors"
5. Blush like hell like Ichigo did when the talking cat showed her true form before his very eyes. (Anime Bleach)

[mog08]

Just got myself spoiled
Too bad it goes sci-fi

it's not "sci-fi" because it doesn't involve space, satellite, ships, machines etc namely science. it's just a bit "fantasy" like stuff.

Great episode. some major truths revealed. but i'm a bit confused. "Hakuoro" was a scientist who discovered a kept secret and got killed. However, was revived by the ancient beast in exchange for his body possibly. so he became the beast. then "Hakuoro" was Rak Shine who killed his own wives & daughters. then he escaped injured. He healed himself by calling his beast form. at the same time, Eruruu agrees to what she agreed for saving Aruruu who was about to die due to an earthquake caused by "Hakuoro". then everything happened in the last 22 eps. Am i right?

Also, I've wanted to ask this for a long time. Does Benawi have a tail?

[PGilis]

Great episode. some major truths revealed. but i'm a bit confused. "Hakuoro" was a scientist who discovered a kept secret and got killed. However, was revived by the ancient beast in exchange for his body possibly. so he became the beast. then "Hakuoro" was Rak Shine who killed his own wives & daughters. then he escaped injured. He healed himself by calling his beast form. at the same time, Eruruu agrees to what she agreed for saving Aruruu who was about to die due to an earthquake caused by "Hakuoro". then everything happened in the last 22 eps. Am i right?


Yeah, i think it's pretty much that, except for two things:



1) I don't believe Hakuoro was really Rak Shine and killed his own family. Probably that was all a lie Orikakan was manipulated to believe. Otherwise, there's no reason to Niue kill him when he saw Hakuoro's true nature.

2) If that powerful demon was really Hakuoro and he had the power to cure himself and Aruruu, why he was so seriously hurted and close to death at the beggining of the show?



I think there's something more we need to see...


Also, I've wanted to ask this for a long time. Does Benawi have a tail?


We never got to see in the show, but there's an image (maybe fanmade) we can see his tail. It's small, so probably is hidden by his panties.

[shonosuke]

it's not "sci-fi" because it doesn't involve space, satellite, ships, machines etc namely science. it's just a bit "fantasy" like stuff.

Great episode. some major truths revealed. but i'm a bit confused. "Hakuoro" was a scientist who discovered a kept secret and got killed. However, was revived by the ancient beast in exchange for his body possibly. so he became the beast. then "Hakuoro" was Rak Shine who killed his own wives & daughters. then he escaped injured. He healed himself by calling his beast form. at the same time, Eruruu agrees to what she agreed for saving Aruruu who was about to die due to an earthquake caused by "Hakuoro". then everything happened in the last 22 eps. Am i right?

Also, I've wanted to ask this for a long time. Does Benawi have a tail?

The rak shine part was a lie read the game topic if you wanna get yourself spoiled

and No,I dont think benawi has a tail
On a sidenote,I found most of the game's CGI and it even has a lolicon o_O(aruru nekked)

[zalas]

The rak shine part was a lie read the game topic if you wanna get yourself spoiled

and No,I dont think benawi has a tail
On a sidenote,I found most of the game's CGI and it even has a lolicon o_O(aruru nekked)
That picture is the prize if you can get *all* the awards on one of the hard difficulty settings, which is really hard unless you are a hardcore SRPG player or have tons of time. It's only on the DVD version, I believe, and would surely be taken out of the PS2 version, though the clothed version of her in that same pose might still be available.
it's not "sci-fi" because it doesn't involve space, satellite, ships, machines etc namely science. it's just a bit "fantasy" like stuff.
I think the local library just puts all the sci-fi and fantasy books together, and calls it 'sci-fi/fantasy' because the distinction is so hard to draw at times. Just keep watching. :)

[Renegade334]

it's not "sci-fi" because it doesn't involve space, satellite, ships, machines etc namely science. it's just a bit "fantasy" like stuff.
Close but there's a very good explanation for certain things we're going to see. Don't worry, it's not like you'll find some uber-civilization using spaceships or whatnot. Those things are from the past. The. P.A.S.T.
Guaranteed.
And rejoice, it won't be a steampunk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk) series.
Guaranteed, too.

Great episode. some major truths revealed. but i'm a bit confused. "Hakuoro" was a scientist who discovered a kept secret and got killed. However, was revived by the ancient beast in exchange for his body possibly. so he became the beast. then "Hakuoro" was Rak Shine who killed his own wives & daughters. then he escaped injured. He healed himself by calling his beast form. at the same time, Eruruu agrees to what she agreed for saving Aruruu who was about to die due to an earthquake caused by "Hakuoro". then everything happened in the last 22 eps. Am i right?
*massages his forehead*
Nope.
It isn't like that - as PGilis said, the Rakushain thing was just Dii's manipulation - and Orikakan was tricked (through a magical spell) into believing that Hakuoro was that Rakushain. In the game Orikakan is freed from the spell and himself admits that Hakuoro is not the one he's searching for and that he had never seen the man in front of him...just before an arrow coming from nowhere silences him forever. Hakuoro's nightmare was just a figment of his imagination fueled by his fear of having a less-than-amenable past of which he'd forgotten everything.

The first part is correct, though - the scientist didn't know what he'd discovered but knew it was a great discovery since it didn't look like a dinosaur but held some similarities with humans. The other guy even said 'missing link' but before both of them got to deepen their conversation the first guy got shot and his blood covered the fossil - awakening the beast inside.

Eventually the beast (I won't spoil further) made a contract with the dying scientist - in exchange for the man's body (which he'd use as a vessel for his own soul), he'd grant survival. However the dying man said something else and both were sent in some sort of deep, millenary sleep.
He eventually awoke some centuries or millennia later and was involved in a battle (against someone that is not that hard to identify since he's already been seen in the series) in his beast form and got injured. Although the details are quite confusing (the distance covered between the battlefield and Eruruu's village is quite great but we'll use magic as our plot device-explanation) the beast-Hakuoro-scientist reappeared in front of a panicked Eruruu in order to make a contract. YES, contracts are extremely important in this story. You'll learn of a few more (hopefully) before the epilogue.
And yes, this is where episode 01 begins, with Eruruu healing a wounded Hakuoro - in ep01 she mentioned an 'earthquake' that took place before Hakuoro woke up...which was what caused Aruruu to fall from the tree and get injured.
1) I don't believe Hakuoro was really Rak Shine and killed his own family. Probably that was all a lie Orikakan was manipulated to believe. Otherwise, there's no reason to Niue kill him when he saw Hakuoro's true nature.
Explained right above.

2) If that powerful demon was really Hakuoro and he had the power to cure himself and Aruruu, why he was so seriously hurted and close to death at the beggining of the show?
Explanation:
He's not exactly a demon per say - don't judge a book by its cover. It's actually more surprising by that. I can already hear what fans are going to say and joke about when they'll hear the truth. Oooh yeah. I already hear them ("better than Jesus Yamato of GSD", "even more uber than Shinji Ikari" -_-)...

Hakuoro-beast just fought someone of equal strength and his opponent got the upper hand, effectively gravely injuring him...and forcing him to flee...right into Eruruu. Seeing the situation quite auspicious for a contract, beast-Hakuoro struck an agreement with terms that befitted both of the contractors. He'd get healed and Aruruu'd be saved.

It was then that Hakuoro-beast reverted to his human form and lost his memories due to the shock of changing his shape and the extent of his injuries.
I tried to leave as much as possible since the flashback arc is coming soon.

[shonosuke]

Could anyone tell me whats cut out of the anime but is in the game?(beside the hentai)

[PGilis]

Lots and lots of interaction and funny momments, not covered by the anime. :D

My advice to you is, instead ask for what was cut out of the anime, read the summaries based on the original bgame, written by Mastress Alita. She already wrote until Part 10 (covering stories between episode 18 and 19).

Link HERE. (http://blgames.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=othergame&action=display&thread=1141715978&page=1#1141716286)

[White Manju Bun]

Wow 22 was amazing! I just sat staring at my comp the whole time and going crazy on irc! One of the single best episodes in anime Ive seen (in my opinion)

The transiformation was awesome and someone finally shut that annoying guy up XD Then the flash to the present time and the scientist gets killed o___o Wow

[Cyz]

Or you can just look at Random Curiosity's Utawarerumono section :)

Looks like Hakuoro turned monster again. So I guess that monster mode of his only works when he's under a lot of emotional stress then hm? Or does it react when there's blood around?

[Renegade334]

Or you can just look at Random Curiosity's Utawarerumono section :)

Looks like Hakuoro turned monster again. So I guess that monster mode of his only works when he's under a lot of emotional stress then hm? Or does it react when there's blood around?

The first one actually (when he's about to lose something he cherishes or holds dear or when he's in great danger) - the blood splattering scene was just a trigger for a flashback meant to explain who Hakuoro once was and how he got that mask.

The skeleton simply reacted to ah, how can I put this into words - the life force within the scientist/Hakuoro's blood and reactivated the soul/entity still dwelling inside the bones.

[Sinestra]

Great episode watching Hakuoro go all Godzilla berserk was great. Blood was everywhere and the screams of pilots were horrible the one that got his head squashed was a little nasty. I just wondering how the transformation works? The flash back was weird too it looked like our present day era, then he got shot for seeing something he shouldnt. It seems like that memory and the Trama of Aruruu brought out the beast in him.

Also, it seems Eruruu has met and made a pact with that monster before to save Aruruu's life didnt understand that either. Was it Hakuoro she made the pact with? and why didnt she remeber till just then. She also acted a little weird after everything as well.

Mukkruu and Aruruu did a great job for a while given the fact that Mukkruus hide is only weakned by water ramming into the mechs and using its speed was a great tatic. im just glad shes ok but at the end she was playing like nothing was wrong. Any theories please throw them my way i read some of the spoilers above just want to see if anyone has a diffrent persepctive on the events

[Kyero Fox]

I posted his Transformation on Youtube for those who just wonna watch his transformation from time to time.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=HGFaQq2EiuI

[mog08]

thanks Renegade334, a lot to look forward to last 4 eps. Yuzuha having Hakuoro's baby is going to be left out, is it not?

[vietpimp]

It seems like the three that plays together yuzuha, kamyu, and aruru are meant to be kids and putting in a scene that implies hakuro screwing a 10 year old or however old she is would be bad in an anime they want to show in the US. Maybe thats y they left it out. Just my 2 cents. And also its hentai :P although thats just minor excuse heh.

[Renegade334]

Well...I guess so even if the rating is R17. I don't think the Japanese audience would like seeing something that'd look like paedophilia or something ethically highly questionable, even if such an event is widely spread through the game...besides right now it's quite irrelevant unless they want to go along with it to keep the game's ending intact.
...
Also, please note that in ep16 that one scene with Yuzuha (and what Eruruu said to comfort the young girl) sort of foreshadows the events seen in the game...so it's 50/50 even if I'm leaning towards a 'no-no' answer.
...
As a final note...I doubt they'd put an H scene just for Yuzuha while all other girls got nothing - and Yuzuha has been relinquished to the background lately so it'd be queer in the audience's eyes to suddenly have Hakuoro share such a moment with her...and I doubt the staff would advertise pity sex and whatnot.

[PGilis]

It seems like the three that plays together yuzuha, kamyu, and aruru are meant to be kids and putting in a scene that implies hakuro screwing a 10 year old or however old she is would be bad in an anime they want to show in the US. Maybe thats y they left it out. Just my 2 cents. And also its hentai :P although thats just minor excuse heh.

They are younger than the others characters yes, but I don't think Yuzuha and Kamyu are 10 y.o. just because they like to play with Aruruu. Even Hakuoro like to play with Aruruu from times to times, and he's an adult! (Who wouldn't?) ;)

And in that bath scene in episode 08 for sure they looked very well endowed for kids to me, specially Kamyu! :heh: So, i think Yuzuha is probably around 16, because as a sick girl most probably she didn't have a good development, so she looks younger than she really is.

Anyway, if the producers will change that part in the show, i just hope they will change Yuzuha's fate too, making her survive. Otherwise, i will cry... A LOT! :(

[dxanato]

I don't know episode 22 is hinting alot will happen with Yuzuha. Will Hakuoro go uber beast againt and heal Yuzuha.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Comment--

Scifi and fantasy can coexist (i.e. Star Wars)

And for God's sake, why is technology always more advanced the further back in time you go? (see: Xenogears, Phantasy Star III and IV (only)). I bet the second after the Big Bang, we have microorganisms shitting supercomputers.

[Deathkillz]

They are younger than the others characters yes, but I don't think Yuzuha and Kamyu are 10 y.o. just because they like to play with Aruruu. Even Hakuoro like to play with Aruruu from times to times, and he's an adult! (Who wouldn't?) ;)


that sounded so so wrong...
but imo i think Yuzuha shouldnt die...cnt demon hakuoro save her? oh and i want to see those creepy eyes as implied in the OP :)

[thundrakkon]

I still am wondering what Yuzuha's role in the anime is. She seems so insignificant for a major character and has not done anything to move the plot/story along.

I have a question that has been bothering me. Hakuoro was a name given to our lead character; however, it is also the name of Eruruu's and Aruruu's real father. In the beginning of the series, the name seemed to have been significant, as if the original Hakuoro was special in some way, especially the way Oboro and the twins were reacting when they first were introduced to current Hakuoro. Furthermore, the original Hakuoro went "missing" or died, I could not remember. So my question is, will the series ever go into detail of who the original Hakuoro is, or will that remain one of life's mysteries?

[Burner of Anime]

Could anyone tell me whats cut out of the anime but is in the game?(beside the hentai)

The DVD special put some of the stuff cut out back in.

So Evil of Eruruu to lay that trap for the unsuspecting rogue grazers. That'll probably be the last time the boys raid the pantry

[KaneDragon]

It's alright, I'm a scientist. ^^
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1940/hakuoroeo9.png

[Lost]

'Don't bully daddy.' *sob* Anyhow, I thought a good way to have introduced the Hakumecha would have been the insertion of a low, menacing, threatening laugh of a man who loses everything and is pushed to the edge during Hauenkua's own laugh. Give our dear Haukenkua a dose of his own laughter.

Btw, that was one disproportionate head. :heh:

And, it looks nothing like a monkey or a human, I dont know where that scientist got it into his head that it was an evolutionary link. :D

I see... so that red thing was hydraulic fluid. Crap, I was kinda hoping it would be blood.

'Yahoo~' YAY!! :D. Tho, I honestly think it would have been better for Aruruu to have remained dead. For at least a few more episodes.

[Onizuka-GTO]

'Don't bully daddy.' *sob* Anyhow, I thought a good way to have introduced the Hakumecha would have been the insertion of a low, menacing, threatening laugh of a man who loses everything and is pushed to the edge during Hauenkua's own laugh. Give our dear Haukenkua a dose of his own laughter.

Btw, that was one disproportionate head. :heh:

And, it looks nothing like a monkey or a human, I dont know where that scientist got it into his head that it was an evolutionary link. :D

Well, fish and repltile heads don't look like monkey or human skulls, but scientist have clearly indicated they are part of our evolutionary link....

So the question is not that this does not look similiar to humans, but where on our evolutionary line those this creature fit in?

Although we all know its wrong, it's not hard to see why, it does have four limbs, enlarged skull for an advanced brain and a posture for upright walking.

[KaneDragon]

That talk about "evolutionary link" was just the Evil Scientist hiding the demon fossil's TRUE purpose: The ability to create reality marbles (:p) filled with sqeeky dog girls! The Evil Scientist used Hakuoro to activate its incredible power and then used the demon to turn himself into a bishounen. Once Hakuoro is eliminated for good, he will use the demon's powers to create an UNSTOPPABLE HAREM OF SQEEKINESS. @_@

Isn't evolution wonderful? :D

[Lost]

The skeleton simply reacted to ah, how can I put this into words - the life force within the scientist/Hakuoro's blood and reactivated the soul/entity still dwelling inside the bones.Renegade, when I saw that scene, it came to my mind that the demon integrated the DNA in Hakuoro's blood into its own body. Thus, the real Hakuoro is really dead; he just lives on in his DNA. :heh: What with all that evolutionary talk.. of course DNA would have to figure.

That talk about "evolutionary link" was just the Evil Scientist hiding the demon fossil's TRUE purpose: The ability to create reality marbles () filled with sqeeky dog girls! The Evil Scientist used Hakuoro to activate its incredible power and then used the demon to turn himself into a bishounen. Once Hakuoro is eliminated for good, he will use the demon's powers to create an UNSTOPPABLE HAREM OF SQEEKINESS. @_@Or this whole thing could just be a dream by Hakuoro the scientist. He later wakes up in hospital, and finds that the last 26 episodes was just him fantasizing about sqeeky dog girls.

Now. I wonder what Hakuoro's real name is.

So the question is not that this does not look similiar to humans, but where on our evolutionary line those this creature fit in?
He specifically said it was the link between monkies (LOL - monkeys) and humans. Thats why I'm puzzled. Because it doesnt look like anything like a monkey or a human. Despite the fact that it has a puny head and walks upright, it had bones for teeth; man.

[Lost]

He's not exactly a demon per say - don't judge a book by its cover. It's actually more surprising by that. I can already hear what fans are going to say and joke about when they'll hear the truth. Oooh yeah. I already hear them ("better than Jesus Yamato of GSD", "even more uber than Shinji Ikari" -_-)...

Hakuoro-beast just fought someone of equal strength and his opponent got the upper hand, effectively gravely injuring him...and forcing him to flee...right into Eruruu. Seeing the situation quite auspicious for a contract, beast-Hakuoro struck an agreement with terms that befitted both of the contractors. He'd get healed and Aruruu'd be saved.

It was then that Hakuoro-beast reverted to his human form and lost his memories due to the shock of changing his shape and the extent of his injuries.
LOL I like that part in bold.

I see how Hakuoro healed Aruruu, but I dont see how Eruruu healed Hakuoro. If Hakuoro could heal, no, resurrect, Aruruu, why not heal himself. Maybe he wanted some R&R. :heh:

[Renegade334]

Renegade, when I saw that scene, it came to my mind that the demon integrated the DNA in Hakuoro's blood into its own body. Thus, the real Hakuoro is really dead; he just lives on in his DNA. :heh: What with all that evolutionary talk.. of course DNA would have to figure.

Eh? I lost you here. The fact is,
Scientist = Hakuoro.
Same body, same soul.
But no longer the same memories.
The skeleton just granted him a longer lifespan (okay, in fact, something else happened that made him travel through several centuries, if not millennia - one clue: watch the OP) and the scientist became Hakuoro after a certain incident. Hakuoro is not a clone of the scientist. Period.

However, DNA (and cloning) comes in for something else that will be seen in the flashback arc, but it doesn't really concern Hakuoro - although it's his DNA that will be at the root of the subject at hand. But I repeat, Hakuoro is not a clone.

I see how Hakuoro healed Aruruu, but I dont see how Eruruu healed Hakuoro. If Hakuoro could heal Aruruu, why not heal himself. Maybe he wanted some R&R?
We don't know although...
Maybe healing himself in his beast form took more power than doing so while in his human shape. And when Hakuoro-beast-scientist reverted to his human body, he lost his memories due to his extensive injuries. Besides, it might be easier for him to be healed as a human being than while in his monstrous form. I don't see Eruruu climbing on top of that monster trying to clean and heal enormous gashes and whatnot. That'd be the mother of all tasks.

That talk about "evolutionary link" was just the Evil Scientist hiding the demon fossil's TRUE purpose: The ability to create reality marbles (:p) filled with sqeeky dog girls!
I'll assume you were joking.
The thing is, the scientists were discussing where did that skeleton fill in in Nature's chain of evolution - it looked like a dinosaur yet held similarities with human beings. Hence the term 'missing link'. They simply couldn't find what species it belonged to - and where did it fit in the whole chain of evolution.

Well, fish and repltile heads don't look like monkey or human skulls, but scientist have clearly indicated they are part of our evolutionary link....

So the question is not that this does not look similiar to humans, but where on our evolutionary line those this creature fit in?
It is not exactly revealed in the game but it is implied that the skeleton is incredibly older than humanity and it perhaps was its precursor. No details on it - except that it walked on Earth way long before human beings.
Now. I wonder what Hakuoro's real name is.
It was never stated in the game - and it has no incidence on the story.
Well, fish and repltile heads don't look like monkey or human skulls, but scientist have clearly indicated they are part of our evolutionary link....
No but a decade ago (IIRC) palaeontologists had tried to make a computer-generated picture of what a two-legged dinosaur (the subject was a member of the Struthiomimus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struthiomimus) family) would look like should it have been allowed to survive the K-limit (K-limit being, IIRC, the name given to the period where Cretacean dinosaurs started to disappear en masse presumably due to an asteroid impact).

Surprisingly, it was bipedal, had clawed hands, no longer featured a tail but had developed a round head (with no snout) and held an uncannily high amount of similarities to human morphology.

If you have seen that picture (if you have specialized books on dinosaurs, you might find it) then you can understand why scientists would be interested by the skeleton - is it an offshoot of the dinosaur species or is it something totally unrelated to them? Did dinosaurs survive and produce a race like that or is it something else? Their confusion is perfectly understandable seeing how human like (standing upright, five-fingered hands, etc, etc) the fossil seems.

[Lost]

Eh? I lost you here. The fact is,
Scientist = Hakuoro.
Same body, same soul.
But no longer the same memories.
The skeleton just granted him a longer lifespan (okay, in fact, something else happened that made him travel through several centuries, if not millennia - one clue: watch the OP) and the scientist became Hakuoro after a certain incident. Hakuoro is not a clone of the scientist. Period.
Same body eh? I see. To try and clarify, I was trying to say that he died; his body died with him. However, with integrated DNA alone, the 'demon' recreated the form of Hakuoro. Something like a clone, tho not exactly; more like a mutant. Anyway.

[ChainLegacy]

Hmm... I'm getting the 'every beginning leads to an end' vibe here. They claim that the godzilla/hulk/Hakuoro creature was the first link to humanity (which doesn't make sense because I'm pretty sure mammals evolved separately, but whatever) and now he is back to end humanity. :)

[Renegade334]

No, no, no, no...
It's the same body - there was no rebuilding at all. No cloning, nothing.
The scientist did not die. Just as he was about to, the beast made a contract with him - he would barter survival for his (the scientist's) body.

The scientist just replied, 'just...let...me...sleep'. And the beast said, 'so be it'. So what happened?
- The beast's soul flew away from the skeleton and into the dying scientist's body. The two souls are cohabitating - or slightly fused together, at least. But the scientist's personality survived along with its soul.
- Keeping its word, the beast granted the scientist survival. And the guy indeed survived.
- Something else happened and made sure the scientist did not wake up until centuries or millennia later.
--> THIS:
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- The scientist woke up later (as I said, maybe centuries or millennia later). But he STILL had his 'scientist' personality. It's just that he had something else along with his own soul. Just like present-Hakuoro.
- And just like now, it's...only when the scientist felt...distressed or angry that the other soul came to the fore and took over the human body...retransforming it into a monster's.

[Lost]

No, no, no, no...
It's the same body - there was no rebuilding at all. No cloning, nothing.
The scientist did not die. Just as he was about to, the beast made a contract with him - he would barter survival for his (the scientist's) body.

The scientist just replied, 'just...let...me...sleep'. And the beast said, 'so be it'. So what happened?
- The beast's soul flew away from the skeleton and into the dying scientist's body. The two souls are cohabitating - or slightly fused together, at least. But the scientist's personality survived along with its soul.
- Keeping its word, the beast granted the scientist survival. And the guy indeed survived.
- Something else happened and made sure the scientist did not wake up until centuries or millennia later.
--> THIS:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3893/icemanwa0.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3893/icemanwa0.jpg)
- The scientist woke up later (as I said, maybe centuries or millennia later). But he STILL had his 'scientist' personality. It's just that he had something else along with his own soul. Just like present-Hakuoro.
- And just like now, it's...only when the scientist felt...distressed or angry that the other soul came to the fore and took over the human body...retransforming it into a monster's.
Yes yes yes I understand. Its all linked to that frozen block in the OP. I'm trying to keep my eyes averted from the spoiler, because I'm sure they'll show it in the flashback arc.

I guess the reason why the other scientist (S2) didn't want the first one (Hakuoro later in history) to study the fossil was maybe because he was ashamed and frightened of how the world would react should they learn that their possible ancestor was a demon-like being. In other words, he wanted to bury all evidence of the supposed, embarrassing missing link. (Note that in the U.S. some schools do not acknowledge Darwin's edicts and theories - so such scientific bigotry is not that hard to understand...it's a form of scientific negationnism, I guess)
And sadly in other schools, it is taught as truth. :p Okay back to topic, yes I think he wants to hide it from the world as you said, because he said:

S2: "Because we can't accept it." and
S2: "Being a scholar really is painful, isn't it? Due to insatiable amounts of curiosity, they dig up things they should not have and, in the end, end their lives."

On the other hand, it doesn't really add up because the following messes the whole thing up with its ambiguity.

S2: "The mystery in the evolution from a monkey to a human. The missing link. If the answer for that happened to be lying in front of you, what would you do?"

[Renegade334]

BTW, for those confused by the whole evolution thing, here's the transcript of what's said right then:
S1/Hakuoro: "This is...a dinosaur? No, it's not. This thing is the same as humans. A fossil of an organism that undergoes cellular respiration. But...what an ugly sight! This is just like-!"
S2: "Like what? You really are troubling. I believe I told you to stay away from here."
S1/H: "What in the world is this? Why are you trying to hide this?"
S2: "Because we can't accept it."
S1/H: "What!?"
S2: "The mystery in the evolution from a monkey to a human. The missing link. If the answer for that happened to be lying in front of you, what would you do?"
S1/H: "Do you mean to tell me-!"
S2: "The origin of evolution. Without this thing, humans may have stayed as monkeys for eternity."
S1/H: "This demon is-! Impossible!"
S2: "Being a scholar really is painful, isn't it? Due to insatiable amounts of curiosity, they dig up things they should not have and, in the end, end their lives."
*BANG*

I guess the reason why the other scientist (S2) didn't want the first one (Hakuoro later in history) to study the fossil was maybe because he was ashamed and frightened of how the world would react should they learn that their possible ancestor was a demon-like being. In other words, he wanted to bury all evidence of the supposed, embarrassing missing link. (Note that in the U.S. some schools do not acknowledge Darwin's edicts and theories - so such scientific bigotry is not that hard to understand...it's a form of scientific negationnism, I guess)

EDIT: also, please note that Eruruu actually made a contract that is very similar to the one made between Hakuoro and Karura. Nearly word for word and terms for terms - she was to devote herself, with every drop of her blood and her whole soul. Isn't it ironic how history repeats itself?

[kari-no-sugata]

For background info on "the missing link", see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

btw... the biggest problem with trying to explain human evolution is lack of evidence - just not enough skeletons have been found. Partly this is because it's very rare for a skeleton to be preserved, and partly because there were so few humans long ago.

[KaneDragon]

It wasn't a loli vampire that wiped out the dinosaurs, right? :uhoh:

[Key Board]

Frankly that fossil looks more reptillian than simian

[KaneDragon]

Frankly that fossil looks more like a hideous freak of nature, so obviously that's not what he meant. ^^

Maybe it's more like Lavos? @_@
Lavos directly influenced all technology and life on the planet, evolving the planet's lifeforms to cultivate it, and make itself stronger

[Deathkillz]

lol kinda wierd evolution scale:
monkey------>demon------>human :uhoh:
but IMO demons > humans :p

[dxanato]

A demon that need blood to live.

[Xellos-_^]

lol kinda wierd evolution scale:
monkey------>demon------>human :uhoh:
but IMO demons > humans :p

It doesn't have tentacles

Tentacle Demons > Reg Demons :D

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I still am wondering what Yuzuha's role in the anime is. She seems so insignificant for a major character and has not done anything to move the plot/story along.Doesn't seem to have much of a role besides giving the Suigintou X Megu fans major hard-ons. I myself am quite dissappointed in what may become of Yuzuha. I was half-hoping that she would be a walking package of chaos, much like that F.E.A.R. girl who can liquefy people using her mind. I was hoping for a showdown between Godzillakuoro and Yuzuha with many, MANY bloody corpses in the wake.

Did anyone else think that Yuzuha could melt people when she looks at them with opened eyes, or was that just me?

[ImClueless]

Did anyone else think that Yuzuha could melt people when she looks at them with opened eyes, or was that just me?

Depends on what kind of "melt" you are talking about. If its melt as in render Suigintou X Megu fans weak kneed, blubbering and defenseless then yes. If its melt as in the wicked witch of the west+water (or was it east? I don't remember my Wizard of Oz) type melt then no.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

By "melt" I actually meant instantaneous liquefaction. In other words, the ability to render a human being into a skeleton atop a lake of blood.

[Sinestra]

that sounded so so wrong...
but imo i think Yuzuha shouldnt die...cnt demon hakuoro save her? oh and i want to see those creepy eyes as implied in the OP :)

i so agree why do people always pick on the blind girl, im hoping that Hakuoro heals her but for some reason im thinking its not going to be a happy ending for everyone

[Deathkillz]

ahh she can melt my heart anyday :p

[masakenji]

OMFG!!! after reading the plot all i can say is

what a story.

[Wandering_Youth]

Seeing Hauenkua cower in fear and dread while Hakuroro tears apart her minions...$20. Seeing Hauenkua run away and screaming "Mommy!"....priceless.
That scene just made my day.

Anyways, this episode was interesting because we start getting more glimpses in to Hakuroro's past.

From what I'm reading in the thread about this evolution discussion, this fossil demon shown in the episode might why there are feral beings and no humans around currently in Utawarerumono. Could it be that the demon brought humanity almost to extinction and created the feral beings? My theory might be a long shot. :heh:

[Urzu 7]

Well, I am really enjoying this series, and it is simply good to see that there are mysteries and twists to the story in the last remaining episodes.

I wonder if there will even be any more battles (Kuuya's empire). It seems that their mech type beings are put down, so I wonder if the last bit of conflict in the final episodes will be a great struggle that primarily Hakauro and Eruuruu will face (I'm thinking along the lines of what will come about of the contract).

Then again, I don't know what the plot really has in store; again, they did well to set up the last bit of the plot to have twists and surprises. :D

[ImClueless]

I was a little disappointed. I wanted to see Karura take on a mech. Gets a 9....if there was Karura vs Mecha action wouldve been a ten

[Lost]

I was a little disappointed. I wanted to see Karura take on a mech. Gets a 9....if there was Karura vs Mecha action wouldve been a ten
It took me about a day to realise this, but I just got it:

WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN KARURA AND THE BLUE AVU KAMUU. SHIT I can't believe they left that out. :frustrated: They didn't just leave it out. They showed it starting but they didnt continue it. At all. Thats worse. Cheats. Grrr.

[Renegade334]

In the game the whole event just ends like in the anime - with Hakuoro waking up, feeling as if the entire thing had been a dream. I just guess that both Karura and Touka fought Hien to a standstill since he's not dead......Yet.
From what I'm reading in the thread about this evolution discussion, this fossil demon shown in the episode might why there are feral beings and no humans around currently in Utawarerumono. Could it be that the demon brought humanity almost to extinction and created the feral beings? My theory might be a long shot
Hmmm...you're closer to the truth than you actually think...although there is a slight correction to make.
Humanity had all but basically killed itself before the skeleton was rediscovered. The "demon" (I won't say what it truly is...yet) just finished the job because it was provoked into unleashing its anger. And, no, it wasn't the "demon" that created those feral (I prefer the word 'animal-like') beings - although it had an unwilling hand in their birth.
I wonder if there will even be any more battles (Kuuya's empire). It seems that their mech type beings are put down, so I wonder if the last bit of conflict in the final episodes will be a great struggle that primarily Hakauro and Eruuruu will face (I'm thinking along the lines of what will come about of the contract).
Next part should cover the aftermath of the battle and what happens to Kuuya's empire, which shouldn't be pretty to behold knowing how Kuuya herself will react.
Trauma-induced, irreversible nervous breakdown causing her mind to revert to a toddler's level.
And right after that are the final battles revolving around two (three if you know about a certain subtlety in the plot) opponents.
i so agree why do people always pick on the blind girl, im hoping that Hakuoro heals her but for some reason im thinking its not going to be a happy ending for everyone
Hakuoro doesn't know how to transform himself - and with his self-doubt around he is basically far away from reaching that level of control. So don't get your hopes too high. It's only when he's highly distressed, enraged or in danger that he unknowingly reverts to his beast form. And besides...
I doubt that, even then, the beast would do it for free. That "demon" is known for making contracts. Oh, and, by the way...we already know the true name of the said "demon". In a certain ep (not even six eps ago), somebody mentions "my contract with (...)" - although he/she didn't directly make that contract (it's more of a traditional/religious thing). BIG clue here.
By "melt" I actually meant instantaneous liquefaction. In other words, the ability to render a human being into a skeleton atop a lake of blood.
Hohohohohohoho...
In the game there were people who got liquefied - as in, 'having their bodies, with flesh and bone, reduced to a pile of slimy goo'...technically (meaning, if they don't rip it off the anime to make more room for the final battles) they should appear sometime soon.Humanity had all but basically killed itself before the skeleton was rediscovered. The "demon" (I won't say what it truly is...yet) just finished the job because it was provoked into unleashing its anger.

[C.A.]

Alright I just watched and read the entire thread, a practice I'm very used to after watching Haruhi, the best way to understand the entire story of any anime.

I'm pretty happy with everything.

Maybe just this 3 points:

-We should be shown a little of Karura and Touka's fight, but there were none.

-Eruru should be a little more hysterical when she sees Aruru and Hakuoro crushed, just screaming isn't enough for me lol

-Hakuoro did too little damage for me lol, I guess I watched too many violent anime and I've gained a level of tolerance to blood and gore. I was hoping he would slam both his fists from left and right, crushing an Avu Kamu entirely from the impact, reducing it into pulp lol

I wanted to see more than just a broken arm and impalement to Hauenkua's Avu Kamu. I was looking forward to Hakuoro beating the corpse into a bloody pancake or eating the Avu Kamu itself lol

I guess I watched too much violent mecha anime lol

[Wandering_Youth]

-Eruru should be a little more hysterical when she sees Aruru and Hakuoro crushed, just screaming isn't enough for me lol

Meh, she did lose her grandmother and her home village was brutally slaughtered. She probably now has the mental tolerance to handle such a shock aka desensitize. :heh:

[C.A.]

Meh, she did lose her grandmother and her home village was brutally slaughtered. She probably now has the mental tolerance to handle such a shock aka desensitize. :heh:Hmmm I see, she has just about as much violence and gore tolerance as me :p

[Alu]

Well.. I haven't posted on a Uta-mono episode for a while...
I guess partialy reason for this (despite the fact that I fell in love with Higurashi) is that the way Uta-mono's development has been going.., it kind of lost alot of the sparkle that it had during the first episodes up until 16 or so..

Karura's arc felt compleatly rushed.., and from what I've been reading so far (I've been compleatly spoiled ^^) it seems that the more we head towards the end.., the more events will be rushed.., and we will probably end with a sort of fruitless conclusion regarding the development of Alot of characters..

Uta-mono's storyline is incredible.., and its realy a shame to see that, again.., such stories are not getting the development they should when animated.
Allas.. I can only hope I am rong.., for otherwhise I would have not continued to watch it until now.

And speaking of such.., despite all what I said before.., this was a very nice episode :)

True... that well.., kind of like I said before.., I kind of pushed Uta-mono into the side a bit due to Higurashi.., hence I realy didn't mind that much on reading most of the spoilers regarding the story..; so naturaly I kind of new what to expect on this episode at start.

And in the end.., I guess it didn't let me down..; lets face it.., Hakuoro in beast-form is just simply amazing :)
He compleatly crushed all the Avu Kamuu's easily.. and definitly sent Dilandau.. ups.. "Hauenkua" running back to his mommy :p

Its just a shame though.., that we didn't get to see Karura face off with a Avu Kamu.., much like my dear friend Lost previously said.., it was a definite loss for the episode.
However.., I still belive we might get a chance to see this so..

Oh.., and I also have huge hopes regarding the last battle ;) , lets see if this at least easens the loss of potential that Uta-mono has came to unveil..

I however now have a few questions though..

First of all is.. regarding Dii..

For as we have seen.., he has been pulling all the strings towards the end of leading Hakuoro into reverting into his beast-form.., what puzzles me is.., what does he hope to gain out of it ?
What exactly did he mean when to Urutori's Father by "Koraika".., is it possible that much like Hakuoro.. Dii is the dragon that is the antagonist to him ?

And second.., what exactly is a Avu Kamuu made from ?
From what we saw on this episode.., Hakuoro compleatly dismembered Hauenkua's Avu Kamu just like he was doing so to a normal body.

Upon this.. I conclude that they are in the end.. some organic lifeform, but just hidden beneath tons of Armor; for as we saw.., once they came off, and on certain parts.., they are actual alot more fragile then they appeared to be.

Also.., the person inside does not seem to have any mechanic means to crontol it.., so we can pretty much rule out that its a mech or something similar to a "Guymelf" from Escaflowne.
However.., they seem to have a mental link to it.., kind of like an EVA (from Neon Genesis).., for as when Hakuoro splitted Hauenkua's Avu Kamuu's arm.., he inside of it felt the same pain.

So.. what "exactly" are they ? and how did Kuuya and her kind ever obtained them ?

Speaking of Kuuya though.., judging by her reactions on the last episode..., what Renegade previously posted.., I was seeing it a mile away..

Next part should cover the aftermath of the battle and what happens to Kuuya's empire, which shouldn't be pretty to behold knowing how Kuuya herself will react.Trauma-induced, irreversible nervous breakdown causing her mind to revert to a toddler's level.
Which realy makes me think of Kuuya now as an even more amazing character (given all her development.. to this)..;
something that honestly... more then I first ever thought I would.

[Renegade334]

First of all is.. regarding Dii..

For as we have seen.., he has been pulling all the strings towards the end of leading Hakuoro into reverting into his beast-form.., what puzzles me is.., what does he hope to gain out of it ?
What exactly did he mean when to Urutori's Father by "Koraika".., is it possible that much like Hakuoro.. Dii is the dragon that is the antagonist to him ?
Dii wasn't really targetting Hakuoro - but I guess that now that he is in the picture Dii is exploiting the current situation to get pot shots at him.
Why?
Dii, strangely, does not wish for everyone's death - he wishes to better them, to make them attain greater heights. How? By stirring wars all around. He believes that people, through conflict, can evolve and improve themselves, effectively triggering positive changes for themselves. By setting countries against each other he wishes to create a sort of auspicious terrain where super-beings can arise and people can, through endless battles, walk victorious and greater than before.
War is nothing but an evolutionary catalyst for him.

HOWEVER.

Dii, due to something buried deep inside him (yep, it's not a natural feeling) - feels hatred towards Hakuoro and instinctively wishes to destroy him. As you said, it's because they are polar opposites. There, I said it. The one big clue as to what and who they are.

Yet they are incredibly alike. Second big clue here.

"Koraika" is probably the term that designates who/what he has become (I won't reveal it now unless people will ask me to, since it's one of the biggest spoilers around),since he wasn't like that before (he was, btw, Urutorii's teacher before he came across a certain artifact (which we saw in ep22, btw).
And second.., what exactly is a Avu Kamuu made from ?
From what we saw on this episode.., Hakuoro compleatly dismembered Hauenkua's Avu Kamu just like he was doing so to a normal body.
Although it isn't revealed now, the Av Kamuus are way older than one would believe. They are not golems raised by magic per say - they are products of a long lost technology.
There - another clue: T.E.C.H.N.O.L.O.G.Y.

They are like space or diving suits - they were meant to protect the pilot from a...certain form of aggression. They are in fact very much like HAZMAT (Hazardous Material) suits. Although their original owners no longer are around, the Shakukporus inherited those gigantic outer shrouds from someone who's all too well aware of what they were used for.

Let's just say that they are inanimate, organic bodies controlled from inside. They are made of synthetic flesh and blood and, to sum it up, are big, soulless hulks sharing a neural connection with the user. Not unlike an Eva (although Evangelions do have souls).
Upon this.. I conclude that they are in the end.. some organic lifeform, but just hidden beneath tons of Armor; for as we saw.., once they came off, and on certain parts.., they are actual alot more fragile then they appeared to be.
That's because they were not built for warfare - in fact, they were vehicles for certain people who wanted to walk outside, in a hostile environment (how hostile exactly? wait and see - it's part of the flashback arc). They're mobile exoskeletons - not battle suits.
So.. what "exactly" are they ? and how did Kuuya and her kind ever obtained them ?
Remnants from a forlorn and nearly forgotten past. Waabe, Urutorii's father, still seems to know who they were - the Onbeitaikayan...and, no, they weren't gods...although to simple minds...they seemed like gods. As for who gave them to the Shakukoporus? It's simple - it's Dii who stole them from their ravaged berthing place and gave them to Kuuya's people so that he could beget more conflicts for his schemes.

[Sorrow-K]

You know, this is one of the few anime I've encountered where, after seeing 22 episodes, I still can't figure out if this is a winner or not. But, I agree with those who said that this episode was among the, if not the, best ep of the series so far. The signs are good.

I did think it was jammed packed full of cliches though. What's-his-face is yet another throwaway bad guy who's evil purely for the sake of it. And the mecha fights aren't exactly a strong point, being one-sided at every conflict. But the drama is finally kicking in. It was well executed and very engrossing in this ep. And Hakuoro's mystery past looks like it's going to be far more complex than I originally anticipated. I really think he's one of the best leads I've seen in an anime for a long time, and I am pleased Uta has chosen to portray him in the charasmatic way they have... even if they can be accused of making him too perfect (and, thus lacking flaws and the complexity due to flaws).

I just wished we'd seen more episodes like this earlier... but never late than never, I suppose.

[Alu]

hmmm.. I see..
I belive I can understand the entire picture now, even though you didn't "exactly" handed all the facts, which I appreciate :)

However I sure hope they give alot of detail to these facts during the Flashback arcs then..;
Otherwhise alot will definitly feel as lost on many of grounds if they choose to cut them out..., as I would without a doubt be aswell.

[dxanato]

I agree with many about Touka and Karura not give their chance to show off their fighting skills against the Avu Kamuu. The fact they were able to make a stalemate if huge imho.

[Lost]

So many tempting spoiler buttons :heh: I'm gonna save this particular page, then I'm gonna read thru it and go spoiler clicky-happy at the end of the series :D

DOH. I just clickied them. Hmm.. fascinating. I echo the words of Alu, I hope that they give alot of detail and go thru all that very well in the flashback arc. As it is, this is giving me a headache and I think I will have to rewatch UtaMono like you said, Renegade. :D And thanks for that carefully spoiler free explanation, dude.

[Darklightz]

It will ve interesting to see Kuuya's reaction to hear the reports of her soldiers decimated.The whole premise of her "Unifiying the Nations under her" plan was that no one could stop her,but now that isn't the case anymore.

Man I was scared when Aruruu got killed,I"m glad she's back though.She's such a courageous little girl!

[Urzu 7]

Darn those tempting spoiler buttons...I only clicked on a couple on this page, and a few in the previous, and I gotta say, just reading a few small/vague to a bit bigger spoilers, the story has some interesting things and surprises to come, for sure.

But I only clicked on a few spoiler buttons in this thread, and decided I shouldn't keep reading spoilers. My advice to others like me who don't know the plot of the game: resist the spoilers and sit tight for the rest of the series. :)

I wonder if they will do some OVAs after episode 26, ala Wolf's Rain.

[ChainLegacy]

You know, this is one of the few anime I've encountered where, after seeing 22 episodes, I still can't figure out if this is a winner or not.
I understand where you are coming from. I don't think Utawarerumono has all of the essential elements that create a great literary/media work, but despite that I seem to get a 'feel' of greatness from it. I think its redeeming quality is probably the core storyline; the mysteries of their world and of Hakuoro. The characters are cool, but I think they easily take a back seat when one tries to identify what is attractive about this show.

[Guido]

A strong episode with a surprising twist that caught me off guard.


The hulking monster that must be Hakuoro's other side, briefly hinted at the end of episode 13 when tearing Niwe to shreds.

It has to be the legendary God Witsamuirtea, referenced by the Kuunekamun

And makes his glorious entrance in a triumphant bath of blood and gore, yet it never resorted to unnecessary killings. It became pissed off when Hakuoro snapped in madness watching Aruruu seemingly die before him.

The God is fulfilling its bide of the contracting and won't let Aruruu die because of Eruruu's wish the first time the God came to her (Eruruu's) call to save Aruruu's life.

This is not painting a good shade on the shimmering future, as likely Eruruu would have to keep her bide of the contract by the end as well. However, salvation and a blissful ending at the midst of all the absurd warring may be possible.

The other twist was Hakuoro's far away, distant memories of a begone era when humans were non-evolved Homo Sapiens, as we currently are today.

The fossil must have been the God, and the man who was shot to death must have been Hakuoro (his former identity not former life).
But from how long were those memories: 3000 thousand, 5000 thousand, or 10000 thousand years?


Avu Kamuun are not that flawlessly invincible.

They can be fazed and even tumble down with giant, heavy projectiles.

Even Mukkuru has had the enough strength to tumble Hauenkua's with just two tackles.

Though part of the battle plays theme that armies well versed and skilled in all sorts of tactics, weaponry, and leadership succumb upon the powers of an advanced technology that they cannot understand.

However, Hakuoro's group is a partial exception, as they employ their creative minds to enhance better weaponry to match for a brief period of time their enemy's technology.
Hakuoro makes better use of psychological warfare to strike back at Hauenkuas' taunts.

But, I dislike that mo********r survived, putting on a tantrum like a crybaby and having no dignity to just simply died.
His bloodlust and madness reminds me close to that of Dilandau from Escaflowne.

In spite of headache-giving cackling, Niwe's a little better than him because the former died at the hands of Hakuoro's other side to his heart content awared to be killed and yet not fearing death but pleased to have seen the beast inside Hakuoro.

[Kyero Fox]

A strong episode with a surprising twist that caught me off guard.


The hulking monster that must be Hakuoro's other side, briefly hinted at the end of episode 13 when tearing Niwe to shreds.

It has to be the legendary God Witsamuirtea, referenced by the Kuunekamun

And makes his glorious entrance in a triumphant bath of blood and gore, yet it never resorted to unnecessary killings. It became pissed off when Hakuoro snapped in madness watching Aruruu seemingly die before him.

The God is fulfilling its bide of the contracting and won't let Aruruu die because of Eruruu's wish the first time the God came to her (Eruruu's) call to save Aruruu's life.

This is not painting a good shade on the shimmering future, as likely Eruruu would have to keep her bide of the contract by the end as well. However, salvation and a blissful ending at the midst of all the absurd warring may be possible.

The other twist was Hakuoro's far away, distant memories of a begone era when humans were non-evolved Homo Sapiens, as we currently are today.

The fossil must have been the God, and the man who was shot to death must have been Hakuoro (his former identity not former life).
But from how long were those memories: 3000 thousand, 5000 thousand, or 10000 thousand years?


Avu Kamuun are not that flawlessly invincible.

They can be fazed and even tumble down with giant, heavy projectiles.

Even Mukkuru has had the enough strength to tumble Hauenkua's with just two tackles.

Though part of the battle plays theme that armies well versed and skilled in all sorts of tactics, weaponry, and leadership succumb upon the powers of an advanced technology that they cannot understand.

However, Hakuoro's group is a partial exception, as they employ their creative minds to enhance better weaponry to match for a brief period of time their enemy's technology.
Hakuoro makes better use of psychological warfare to strike back at Hauenkuas' taunts.

But, I dislike that mo********r survived, putting on a tantrum like a crybaby and having no dignity to just simply died.
His bloodlust and madness reminds me close to that of Dilandau from Escaflowne.

In spite of headache-giving cackling, Niwe's a little better than him because the former died at the hands of Hakuoro's other side to his heart content awared to be killed and yet not fearing death but pleased to have seen the beast inside Hakuoro.


What he said

[Cyz]

After all that happened, I say Dii deserves being strike in terror by Hakuoro's monster form. I guess he'll be in shock for a couple of days or maybe the rest of his life.

[ChainLegacy]

I think Dii already knows Hakuoro is a beast... Didn't he see what happened to Niwe first hand? There might be more to the guy than meets the eye. (though if he has some wtfhax power too, then I dunno why he doesn't just walk around pwning everyone)

[Varis]

you know... this whole "the past was advanced and so mecha survived until today" kinda stuff reminds me of ther series Maze.

[Deathkillz]

dii better die in a cool way...i wont accept and crap attempt to kill him off...he deserves a proper sending to hell >.<

[FatPianoBoy]

Boy, was it me or could everyone else hear several thousand people scream 'WTF?!?' towards the end of this episode? :twitch:


I think Dii already knows Hakuoro is a beast... Didn't he see what happened to Niwe first hand? There might be more to the guy than meets the eye. (though if he has some wtfhax power too, then I dunno why he doesn't just walk around pwning everyone)

About his haxx0r skillz:

In the ED, we see a blue dragon protecting something, a red dragon attempting to destroy whatever it is the blue one is protecting, and a bird with black wings in the middle, keeping them apart.
I've been thinking since episode eight that the bird was Kamyu, and now I'm almost positive that the blue dragon is Hakuoro. I'm willing to bet that Dii is the red dragon. He doesn't "go around pwning everyone" because the blue dragon would probably have something to say about that. I think that was proven conclusively in this episode.
Come to think of it, the dragon that Eruruu encountered way back when looked more red than blue.
And I'm thinking that the red dragon is actually Witsarnemitea, and the blue dragon is... whatever the name of Kuuya's deity is. I'm not extremely confident on this, though.

[Kyero Fox]

Uh I belive the dragon eruruu saw back then was Blue =\

I also think kamyu is gonna have a special part at the end between the 2 dragons thingys

[GundamZZ]

Isn't it moe for seeing rabbit ears people piloting robots?


The reason that Aruru can survive is most likely that contract is still at work, unless Eruru breached the contract. This episode also explains the age of Hakuoro(very old). It still doesn't make much sense. So, Hakuoro was an archaelogist. The mask seems to possess him, or it is another way around.

The mask
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7599/1156832607623xh8.jpg

[Renegade334]

The reason that Aruru can survive is most likely that contract is still at work, unless Eruru breached the contract.
The contract was made between the beast and Eruruu, NOT Hakuoro and Eruruu. So Hakuoro has no means (and he can't even remember that such a deal had been made a while ago) to fulfill the terms of the said contract...unless he somehow awakens the "beast" inside, who, in turn, can keep its word towards Eruruu.

As for Eruruu...
She cannot breach the contract...not of her own volition. It's sort of overpowering her.
However, she can be freed from the contract by the other contractor.
This episode also explains the age of Hakuoro (very old). It still doesn't make much sense. So, Hakuoro was an archaelogist. The mask seems to possess him, or it is another way around.
"Possess" is right although there are nuances to be made. Instead of a focal point for the "beast's" soul - think Chronicles of Lodoss' Wars and Karla's diadem/headband - the mask is there...
As a SEAL.
It's locking up something inside Hakuoro and also acts as a proof of the contract (it also enforces it, to an extent) between the scientist/Hakuoro and the "beast".
Also, it seems that the mask has powers of its own, since it's indeed made of the beast's bones...and it's imbued with power - although Hakuoro can't use them like a power source.

"Possession" IMO refers to seizing control of someone against that said person's will (think: The Exorcist). If you know UM's secrets, you will see that it isn't exactly possession we're talking about - Hakuoro has the scientist's personality. Its soul didn't change one whit. Hakuoro = scientist, both in body and soul. No cloning implied.

As a matter of fact, another word is slightly more accurate:
Forced (although willingly initiated) cohabitation.
You can even draw a more or less relevant comparison to Samurai Deeper Kyo and the relationship between Kyo and Kyoshiro - although there is more to it in UM.

However, it isn't that said "cohabitation" that made him survive through centuries or millennia. Something else happened...and you see it in the OP.

[Shinova]

Someone mentioned that Eruruu's loving Hakuoro since day 1 wasn't entirely natural and that there's an actual reason why, and now I can see what that reason is.:)

[Cardiac Glycoside]

I finally got to see it, and I was disappointed that the quality of animation couldn't have been any better.

So if Eruruu doesn't really love Hakuoro, he should just cavort with whichever member of the harem he pleases.

Too bad he has the sex drive of a dead fish.

[Kyero Fox]

If i was him I'd be with Karura XD or maybe the Black winged girl :3

[saravis]

Why pick and choose, he is the Emperor after all.
"It's good to be the King!"

[Kyero Fox]

Oh yea :D i'll have them both :D

[PGilis]

God, how i'd love to see that bunny Dilandau get smashed and dismembered by monster-Hakuoro. :( And i want to see the spiked-hair bunny be overpowered by Karura and Touka, too.

So, Eruru did the same kind of contract Karura did. So, that make then really rivals, right? ;) Still, Karura got more lucky. She did the contract with a handsome emperor, not an ugly gigantic monster. :D

Now waiting for next episode. It's time Hakuoro put some sense in Kuuya's head.

[Kyero Fox]

haha funny PGilis

[Wandering_Youth]

Question, how old is Kamyu's father? I take it he's probably thousands of years old or is it more realistic like 60-70? I'm asking because he's got to be pretty old to have known what the Onbeitaikayan were. I can guess that the Onbeitaikayan were probably the last remaing scientist that created the current beings that live on the planet. If that is true then who or what are the Witsarnemitea that Kuuya's people worship? In episode 17 where Kuuya was having a chat with Hakuroro, he said that Witsarnemitea rebelled against Onbeitaikayan . I'm curious to know if the Witsarnemitea were just another group of humans.

[Renegade334]

Question, how old is Kamyu's father? I take it he's probably thousands of years old or is it more realistic like 60-70? I'm asking because he's got to be pretty old to have known what the Onbeitaikayan were.
Knowledge of bygone eras can easily be transmitted through generations, through texts, lays and songs. You don't need to have an extremely long lifespan to keep memory of what happened in the past. Don't forget that a long time ago, populations taught their children their clan's history through songs and legends. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing occurred in UM during that reverse evolution/evolutionary setback.
I can guess that the Onbeitaikayan were probably the last remaing scientist that created the current beings that live on the planet. If that is true then who or what are the Witsarnemitea that Kuuya's people worship?
Correct - the Onbaitaikayan were scientists that the Shakukoporus believed to be gods because of their almost divine-looking technology. Since they weren't taught the basic laws of physics and whatnot, they simply believed the machinery the scientists had were godly tools. And they sort of revered the researchers, who, in turn, had a quite pronounced fondness for those bunny-eared creatures. Which is why the Shakukoporus held them all the more dear...that is, until they disappeared in a quite dramatic event.
In episode 17 where Kuuya was having a chat with Hakuroro, he said that Witsarnemitea rebelled against Onbeitaikayan . I'm curious to know if the Witsarnemitea were just another group of humans.
...Nope.
Uitsuarunemitea is a god. Remember the beast's skeleton? It proves that supernatural things existed way long before Mankind reached the apex of its history - and that superior beings simply do exist in this world, no matter how powerful humanity's technology might be.
...But he didn't exactly rebel against the scientists...let's say that he was pissed big time and snuffed them as an act of revenge. And since the Shakukoporus lost their protectors/surrogate fathers, they started hate Uitsuarunemitea and called him the God of Misfortune, the Nuguisomu-kami. The Onkamiyaryuu do not consider Uitsuarunemitea a dangerous deity for other reasons. Let's say that both Onkamiyaryuu (...or their ancestor, to be specific) and Shakukoporus witnessed and lived the event (the scientists' death) through different standpoints and therefore developed different reactions/opinions.

[Skane]

Ahhhh! Can't we limit the game spoilers to the ACTUAL game discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31739)?

Please?

At the very least, LABEL your spoiler on whether it is a spoiler regarding THIS episode, or a game spoiler! Feeling very much aggrieved at the moment, since there is already a relevant thread for discussing ALL the spoilers you want.

[PGilis]

Just a thought i got...

As far i could understand, Aruruu almost died... again, but Monster-Hakuoro healed her... again.

When she wake up, she looked to Hakuoro-monster and, not surprised at all, called him "dad".

So, she knew from the very start Hakuoro was a monster??! :eek: That explains why in the first two episodes she avoided him a lot.

Yet, not caring at all he was actually a monster, she completely opened her heart to him, calling him "dad", playing with him and hugging a lot (in a good sense! :heh: ). She even risked her own life many times when he was in danger!!

And we're not even considerating the fact her best friend has "vampire tendencies"! :heh:

God, this girl is sweet! REALLY SWEET!! (Too much honey, i bet) ;)


Uuuunnnghh!! Must... resist... the urge... of becoming... a LOLIKON! :(

[Deathkillz]

Uuuunnnghh!! Must... resist... the urge... of becoming... a LOLIKON! :(

neva!! no one can resist aruruu's charm ;) shes already past the cute part into something much greater...

[Cardiac Glycoside]

They call her a tsundere. I'd say it's more like a tsundere

[Lost]

They call her a tsundere. I'd say it's more like a tsundere
Well thats possibly now. She had plenty of tsun at the start of the series.

Uuuunnnghh!! Must... resist... the urge... of becoming... a LOLIKON! Aruruu's really my favourite character for all those reasons you posted, and more; and I'm not a lolicon. At least I don't think I am.

[FatPianoBoy]

'Lolicon' is when you wanna... you know... do stuff with/to them. I love Aruruu, but not in that way. She's like a quirky little cousin or something.

[Lost]

OMG I WANNA PLAY CHASE THE INVINCIBLE DEMONTIGER WITH ARURUU. Is that lolicon? FatPianoBoy, more like a sister to me. :D

[FatPianoBoy]

Alas, that is the true nature of lolicon (contrary to to what Excel may tell you, it does not involve computers rolling down hills ;)). It's basically pedophilia :upset:

[Vexx]

Or rather "lolicon" gets *stretched* to include that.... frankly, "loli" derives from the "lolita complex" syndrome... fascination with young women recently entering puberty (11-14ish) ... pedophilia refers to a sexual attraction to PRE-pubescent children (11 or under).

We have a few people on this forum that consistently confuse psychological terms and don't let official medical definitions interfere with that.

[Kyero Fox]

Young is Young any age under 16 is just Wrong ...

[Catgirls]

Ahhhh! Can't we limit the game spoilers to the ACTUAL game discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31739)?

Please?Please report any game spoilers by hitting the Mod Alert button (see the first post for an example). Thanks.

[PGilis]

'Lolicon' is when you wanna... you know... do stuff with/to them. I love Aruruu, but not in that way. She's like a quirky little cousin or something.

In other words, as far i'm not having "dirty thoughts", it's okay to want a little sister (or daughter-like figure) like Aruruu? :)

GREEEEEEAT!!! :D

*Hugs Aruruu*



(NOTE TO MYSELF: Reserve the dirty thoughts just to Karura... :naughty: )

[Kyero Fox]

In other words, as far i'm not having "dirty thoughts", it's okay to want a little sister (or daughter-like figure) like Aruruu? :)

GREEEEEEAT!!! :D

*Hugs Aruruu*



(NOTE TO MYSELF: Reserve the dirty thoughts just to Karura... :naughty: )


*Releases the beast on the back of PGilis's head with a BaseBall bat* "How dare you Shes Mine!"

[PGilis]

Nnnnghhh!!!!

Okay, okay, you can have her! :(

*Give him a trap-guy cosplaying Aruruu*


HEHEHEHEHEH :D


*Runs away with Aruruu and Karura*

[Kyero Fox]

*Pulls out a Desert Eagle and legs imobelizing him and takes Karura away*

[d1no]

This has been a BEAST anime so far, just awsome.

[Vexx]

Young is Young any age under 16 is just Wrong ...

In some jurisdictions, any age under 18 is wrong... in others, any age under 14 is wrong.... medically and biologically, it stops making sense under the age of puberty .... socially, it varies considerably depending on how long we expect people to stay in school. "16" is simply the end of the age of compulsory schooling in some countries.

In a "medieval" age like Utawarerumono is set in.... females were expected to start producing as soon as they could... someone like Eruruu would have been almost an old maid (which perhaps explains why her neighbor friend and her grandmother were so forward in pushing Eruruu at our fearless leader in episode 1. Aruruu is too young by any definition. She's very cute and would be a great daughter or younger sister though.

[Wandering_Youth]

Knowledge of bygone eras can easily be transmitted through generations, through texts, lays and songs. You don't need to have an extremely long lifespan to keep memory of what happened in the past. Don't forget that a long time ago, populations taught their children their clan's history through songs and legends. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing occurred in UM during that reverse evolution/evolutionary setback.
The problem with that is people interpret things different to word of mouth and text so many important details are lost through the ages. Leaving later generations to wonder what really ever happened in the past. Meh that just bugs me only know part of the truth and leave me hanging. :mad: My initial question was to find out how long ago this Onbaitaikayan/Uitsuarunemitea event took place.


Correct - the Onbaitaikayan were scientists that the Shakukoporus believed to be gods because of their almost divine-looking technology. Since they weren't taught the basic laws of physics and whatnot, they simply believed the machinery the scientists had were godly tools. And they sort of revered the researchers, who, in turn, had a quite pronounced fondness for those bunny-eared creatures. Which is why the Shakukoporus held them all the more dear...that is, until they disappeared in a quite dramatic event.

...Nope.
Uitsuarunemitea is a god. Remember the beast's skeleton? It proves that supernatural things existed way long before Mankind reached the apex of its history - and that superior beings simply do exist in this world, no matter how powerful humanity's technology might be.
...But he didn't exactly rebel against the scientists...let's say that he was pissed big time and snuffed them as an act of revenge. And since the Shakukoporus lost their protectors/surrogate fathers, they started hate Uitsuarunemitea and called him the God of Misfortune, the Nuguisomu-kami. The Onkamiyaryuu do not consider Uitsuarunemitea a dangerous deity for other reasons. Let's say that both Onkamiyaryuu (...or their ancestor, to be specific) and Shakukoporus witnessed and lived the event (the scientists' death) through different standpoints and therefore developed different reactions/opinions.
Ok I'm a little confused here with the terms you're using. Let me get this straight. Onbaitaikayan were the scientist that Kuuya's people (Shakukoporus) worship as gods. The fossile demon is Uitsuarunemitea that the general populace worships as their god? Whoo, everyone's worshipping the devil! This whole thing sounds a bit like the Xenogear story.

[Renegade334]

The problem with that is people interpret things different to word of mouth and text so many important details are lost through the ages. Leaving later generations to wonder what really ever happened in the past. Meh that just bugs me only know part of the truth and leave me hanging. :mad: My initial question was to find out how long ago this Onbaitaikayan/Uitsuarunemitea event took place.
Nobody knows - it's not specified in the game. It might be centuries or millennia.
Ok I'm a little confused here with the terms you're using. Let me get this straight. Onbaitaikayan were the scientist that Kuuya's people (Shakukoporus) worship as gods. The fossile demon is Uitsuarunemitea that the general populace worships as their god? Whoo, everyone's worshipping the devil! This whole thing sounds a bit like the Xenogear story.
Nobody said Uitsuarunemitea was a devil. He's a god, period. He's neither good nor bad.

However, the Shakukporus lost their protectors, the Onbaitaikayan (their nickname for the scientists that, from their point of view, had godlike powers because they knew nothing about science and technology - so they couldn't explain how the scientists' machines worked and just thought it was magic) and were left to survive with the other races, who unfortunately shunned them.
The reasoning is this:
- Had Uitsuarunemitea not killed the scientists, they wouldn't have been left unprotected.
- Had Uitsuarunemitea not killed the scientists, they wouldn't have been scorned by the other species.
- Had Uitsuarunemitea not killed the scientists, they wouldn't have suffered from so much misfortune.
- Therefore, Uitsuarunemitea is to blame for their misfortune.
- Therefore, Uitsuarunemitea is a god that brings misfortune. (at least in their eyes)

The other races didn't suffer from Uitsuarunemitea's wrath because they weren't that attached to the scientists, so they had no reason to believe that he only brought misfortune.

Uitsuarunemitea is not the devil - it's just that the Shakukoporus resent him for what he did to the Onbaitaikayan (and consequently leaving them unprotected against the other races). As such, they started viewing him as an evil deity, while the other races just kept adoring him, because they didn't suffer from his anger.

[sedukshun]

perfect 10 ~ hakuoro is so cool :D

[Shiroth]

I'm punching myself for taking so long to watch this episode.. but now at least i know i'll be watching it a few times today. ^^;;

Everything was down right perfect, even down to the music - no one can say this hasn't been a perfect telling from the game. Ah well.. time for episode 23~

[Lotiman]

This show is getting weird. Hakuoro is from modern times. Somehow end up in the past as human+demon hybrid.

[FatPianoBoy]

This show is getting weird. Hakuoro is from modern times. Somehow end up in the past as human+demon hybrid.

If your history teacher has been telling you that people used to have ears like those and a tail, I suggest you report him/her to the Board of Education ;)

[Lost]

This show is getting weird. Hakuoro is from modern times. Somehow end up in the past as human+demon hybrid.
No no.

Modern times is the past. This series takes place in the future.

[Shinkirou]

This episode was my favorite out of the series because...
There was Hakuoro ownage, didn't lack Aruruu's cuteness, package of truth revealed/large advancement of the story and the music was awesome. I absolutely loved the BGM that plays during the scene where Hakuoro makes his contract with Eruruu.