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Wow, just when I thought I knew where this was going it took a decidedly delicious turn.
So Rena claims to know who/what Oyashiro-sama is, and is starting to implicate friends in the group as part of Oyashiro's curse. There were a few things I couldn't quite interperet but that's what I got out of it.
Now I guess we'll find out who is smarter, K1 or Rena.
Not many action or comedy in this ep, I see.
However, many hardly believable theories are presented in this ep... that Takano really is something, ain't she.
I guess this ep was like a preparation... to what, maybe next, and last (for anime) explosion.
And...
Okonogi looks like Okonogi. :D
Well, nothing to do with story itself, but that one in Himatsubushi was supposedly him...
Shame Matsuribayashi wasn't out at that time, heh.
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Okonogi~ :heh:
It's interesting to see how he went from a faceless character back in ep.15 (before Matsuribayashi-hen came out) to his face here (after Matsuribayashi-hen came out). A nice bonus for the game fans.
...Seriously, how about fixing the show first, Deen?
Now then, the story went flying past again as usual, but it's not really frustrating because they already squeezed in as much as they could into the episode, so content wise, this episode is filled with enough revelations as it is.
Rena's meeting with Takano wasn't badly done, but it was a little disappointing to see they didn't get around to animating Rena's monologues about Takano's notes.
They actually devoted over 5 minutes to Rena's phone conversation with Keiichi, which was great. They could've just went straight to the end with the phone talk though, which might have gave the episode a more "moody" ending.
However, I can also tell the director obvious have no idea what the atmosphere is supposed to be like when Rena explained the "truth" to Keiichi: like, hello? We're figuring out the truth here~ what's with the silence + occasional pointless ambient bgm? How about some exciting music instead?
I tried watching the scene with "Sheep Counts" playing in the background... Wow.
Why, Deen? Why couldn't you people just make that small effort to contact the game's bgm creators and use the game's soundtrack instead?
Game players should try playing Sheep Counts over the anime during Rena's phone conversation with Keiichi, it really works quite well.
lol at next episode's title. :heh:
I don't recommend watching this episode RAW if you don't understand what they're saying. :heh:
lol at next episode's title. :heh:
地球侵略
Invasion Earth?
Earth Invasion?
Sushi, are there aliens in the next ep? :heh:
Edit: I also noticed in the preview "お前は仲間なんかじゃない！！"
That makes me sad :(
Thankfully I found a short summary of this episode. I understood just enough from the raw to get my interest to very high levels, so I needed something to satisfy my curiousity until the sub comes out.
LOL, Takano's notes sure have the power to convince people...and get them in trouble. I agree that the lack of good music during the telephone conversation was kind of annoying, why do they rely on the cicadas to create the atmoshpere on their own?
So the mysterious illness theory is back with a vengeance, huh? Rena seems to suspect that the Gosanke are behind it all, the usual suspects the Sonozakis being probably the leaders. I can't say I really buy this theory, Rena was right in Watanagashi, maybe it's time for her to be wrong. I still think Takano might be the puppet master behind it all.
Hey, it's Okonogi! Nice surprise to those who've played Matsuribayashi-hen. I wonder if Ryu-chan gave the staff how he was supposed to look like, or was it the other way around www
Hmm...I wish they had showed a more vivid way of Rena's slow descent into madness. The game did an excellent job with this by gradually changing the text color from white to blood red as she spiraled into insanity. But in the anime, she still looked...pseudo-normal? And the sakuga was a bit off again this episode. A little more re-touching by the sakkan and Keiichi's face wouldn't have looked angular. Overall, a "B-" for this episode.
TIPS for this episode should be interesting to read.
Anyhow, we're off to the next episode - let's hope they make it right.
I watched it but I have to admit this episode taxed my limited Japanese comprehension that has usually served me okay in watching without subs. :) I'll look forward to seeing the translation. In the meantime, though, I DID notice that...
In the preview for episode 25, zombies are mentioned in the text that floats by on screen. Now that's a tack I wasn't expecting, if true, but would certainly solve a few loose ends. Watanagashi of the Living Dead...
Li Jianliang
2006-09-15, 15:01
I felt that the second half of the episode was pretty boring because aside from the information sharing between Rena and Keiichi, it was just a long series of slow-moving shots of them. >_>
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This is the invasion of Earth. I swear. The zombies are out to get the killer lolis of Hinamizawa.
I felt that the second half of the episode was pretty boring because aside from the information sharing between Rena and Keiichi, it was just a long series of slow-moving shots of Rena and Keiichi. >_>
http://atashi.wordpress.com/files/2006/09/higu24_35.jpg
This is the invasion of Earth. I swear.
Do you have a sub version already or did you add that text yourself?
chrno_the_sinner
2006-09-15, 21:40
Do you have a sub version already or did you add that text yourself?
The original poster added it by themself. The font is way different than the one WinD uses.
LostBlue
2006-09-18, 12:45
Finally watched the episode yesterday...
All I have to say is PREVIEW... they're going that far already? O_O
I'm going to cross my fingers b/c the last EP should go out with a bang
Deathkillz
2006-09-18, 16:59
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http://atashi.wordpress.com/files/2006/09/higu24_37.jpg
This is the invasion of Earth. I swear. The zombies are out to get the killer lolis of Hinamizawa.
oh :twitch: interesting...so Oyashiro-sama is gona up his game in the apocalypse :D
Ok time for episode 25 discussion ;)
BakaOnna
2006-09-20, 19:13
I just saw ep. 24, and I'm so close of wanting to watch ep. 25 raw, especially seeing the episode title and preview about zombies. I hope there's nothing with aliens. >.> That'll be too weird... even for Higurashi standards... or maybe not. Well, I said that I'll almost believe everything that happens in this series.
Anyway, overall, the episode didn't have as much of the tension and stuff as the last episode. Okay, maybe that's the wrong way to say it. That maggot scene was pretty... nasty. I gave this episode an 8/10.
Wow parasites, I had a theory about parasites after watching onikakushi-hen but I later threw it away as it felt to sci-fi. Since its from Takano's scrapbook it can be incorrect, so I dont believe it yet.
Random theory: The "volcanic" gas in Tatarigoroshi-hen was infact some kind of nervgas from the military to prevent an epidemic to break out.
Potatochobit
2006-09-20, 20:50
all the scenes wtih the police man occured in reality right? but that doesnt include the library meeting part? I think this story was one of the more unbelievable events.
I watched the sub and let's just say that since I would trust even a rattle snake more than Takano, her notes are not exactly what I would call a sound basis for a theory. From the "wine" tip we more or less know there is something supernatural, I don't think things can be explained with just sickness and parasites, as weird as they might be. Rena's eyes look so weird in the scene in which she talked with K1 while hiding beside the road. I wonder if this was due to the lazy animators or just indication that she is going crazy.
theacefrehley
2006-09-20, 22:25
From all I've seen so far,
The Sonozaki people aren't that crazy to unleash parasites that could kill many, even Onibaba doesn't seem to be this lunatical (that Kimiyoshi looks like it, but he doesn't seem to have any power or influence or even brains). In fact I think that Onibaba is a good person. hehehe :D
And the people from Hinamizawa seem like a bunch of ignorant country-people. This biological explanation from Takano notes might have some truth within it, regarding a disease that makes people go berserk or whatever, but for the gosanke to be plotting something that big manipulating the pathogen... I doubt it...
To me those notes are just part of Takano's plot to "play"(??)(why?) with the "curse" or "disease", somehow inducing Rena to goes crazy.
I'd guess that Takano has some grudge against Hinamizawa and, knowing about the disease, wants to make hell breaks loose on the village inducing it. Maybe someone she knew was "Onikakushed" and now she wants revenge heeheheh
Judging from the color of her hair, would it be too much to think she has something to do with Satoko's family (one of the first people to fall victim to the curse)??
bleeh....
so many question...
Man. Well, there you go. You can defnitely tell we're just two episodes from the end. Regard the fuzzy outline of a scene from the next episode... wow.
Wow, what a twist. I wasn't expecting something like this at all. Assuming Takano's notes are real, this is quite interesting to tie into previous chapters. I'm most interested in the mystery syringe that's popped up a few times.
Back in chapter 1, we saw Mion and Rena trying to inject K1 with something. This new theory could mean that K1 had become infected with the berserk parasite and the girls were trying to administer a cure.
The same thing can be said about the last chapter with Shion. She's become totally berserk, and Rika tried to cure her. In both cases, someone related to the 3 head houses was the one in possession of the syringe. This matches up with Takano's theory of the 3 houses trying to control/spread the parasite.
I'm twitching with excitement for the next episode.
Wanderer
2006-09-21, 09:39
I don't know what her motive is, but I think Takano is intentionally being a catalyst of mistrust. Basically, I not only think that her scrapbook is wrong, but it is deliberately wrong.
She always suggests some kind of conspiracy is responisible for the murders, often suggests that she might be killed or erased, then disappears/dies under mysterious circumstances. However, I think that her forshadowing and mysterious "death"s are too convinient. Not to mention that Meakashi-hen strongly suggests that the Gosanke are not part of such a conspiracy. Furthermore, it seems that Tomitake is suffering from the very disease that she is researching. She's a nurse who obsessively researches this disease and she is around him often. Why then, of all people, would the person right under her nose fall victim to it?
Every time we see Takano she is catalyzing the "problem" with conspiracy theories or what-not. Even her supposed deaths further catalyze the problem. I'm not just talking about this arc, I mean all of them. Everything about her seems to relate to the crazy stuff that happens. I don't know her motive, but I definately think she is a villan. She may even be the "trigger" that the game players have mentioned a few times.
aliensporebomb
2006-09-21, 10:41
Fascinating episode and raises far more questions that it appears to answer:
Obviously if in the past the citizens of the town became aware of
something in the swamp that, if ingested or breathed caused some
kind of insanity/hysteria you figure they'd just fence off the swamp
and be done with it.
It's obviously proximity to the swamp in conjunction with something
happening (trigger). That trigger always seems to be emotional in
nature. Sometimes it's fear, sometimes hate, sometimes sadness,
sometimes leading to paranoia and it always seems to escalate.
I agree with Wanderer's supposition that there is more to Takano's
"research" and reminds me a little too much of a scientist who
purposely triggers things to "see what happens" from a safe distance.
She's a little too gleeful going on about her theories but it's obvious
a disease/virus/parasite (perhaps one that actually has some kind
of symbiotic capability) is on the loose.
The syringe could indeed be a cure but the way they are wielded
suggests that's not the case. Mion and Rena referred to it prior
to injection as a "punishment game". When Rika attempted to
inject Shion it was done quietly and with grim purpose.
Nobody says "this will take care of the problem" or does it in a
reassuring way. It's always quiet, quick and with menace.
The other thing - someone mentioned that Oyashiro-Sama was
a doctor of sorts.
Theory:
Perhaps this was a living breathing man who lived far in the past
and developed the admittedly extreme methods for dealing with
the parasites/disease.
Because in a time where science was all but unknown any way
of combating the problem was applauded. And since the unknown
leads to fear and fear could lead to other emotions that were a
trigger.......you see where this is going?
Indeed, I fully believe Oyashiro-sama was worshipped as a deity
because he found a way to save their village.
And I believe he may have been as human as you or I, just
smarter than the rest.
Nipa~.
I'm really glad to see how people can be easily swayed. I remember Sushi-Y's first reaction when he first played this section of Tsumihoroboshi-hen as well.
You all may want to utilize TIPS #125 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675178&postcount=125), TIPS #126 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675821&postcount=126) and especially TIPS #127 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675835&postcount=127).
I'm really glad to see how people can be easily swayed to an one-sided view with no basis.
How dare you imply that Takano being creepy as hell is no sound basis for not trusting her! :) Come to think of it, it realy isn't but I don't think we have sufficient evidence so that we can rely on it and not on intuition, guessing the characters motivation and so on. Judging from the tips it's very likely that Rena's interpretation of the notes is way off the mark but that does not necessarily make the notes a gospel truth, does it? Shion got mad after relying on info from Takano, Tomitake started K1's descent into insanity in Onikakushi, it's kind of difficult to trust them. And Takano always disappears or "dies" right on time to increase the already prevalent paranoia in the one who is on the verge of going crazy. If there is some deeply rooted conspiracy in the village, its leaders must be complete amateurs to allow Takano to gather so much info without getting rid of her a long time ago.
How dare you imply that Takano being creepy as hell is no sound basis for not trusting her! :) Come to think of it, it realy isn't but I don't think we have sufficient evidence so that we can rely on it and not on intuition, guessing the characters motivation and so on. Judging from the tips it's very likely that Rena's interpretation of the notes is way off the mark but that does not necessarily make the notes a gospel truth, does it? Shion got mad after relying on info from Takano, Tomitake started K1's descent into insanity in Onikakushi, it's kind of difficult to trust them. And Takano always disappears or "dies" right on time to increase the already prevalent paranoia in the one who is on the verge of going crazy. If there is some deeply rooted conspiracy in the village, its leaders must be complete amateurs to allow Takano to gather so much info without getting rid of her a long time ago.
I don't think Tomitake started it. Keiichi knows of the incidents in the other arcs but didn't go insane. Oishi is the one that made him believe his friends are involved and that is what started his descent into madness.
Well, Tomitake started talking about the murders out of the blue with a person he was meeting for the first time in a deserted, rather creepy place. Ooishi also helped of course but Tomitake planted the first seeds of paranoia, IMO.
Ep. 25 Preview shot:
お前は仲間なんかじゃない！
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This might well be a swerve, like those old Superman comics where the cover would show him marrying a mermaid or something and it turned out to be a distraction or something. But still...
All right, now to the episode. Keep in mind that I've watched all of this show in like a 2-week span, so if I've mixed up any details or forgotten any I apologize in advance.
What's really screwing me up here is that Rika knew about the death of Satoko's aunt (ep...14? When she explained how each murder would work out over the next several years).
It's not inconcieveable that many of the murders would be planned out, like Satoko's parents or Rika's parents or whatnot.
But Rika knew that Satoshi's aunt would die.
Since we know Satoshi murdered the aunt, that wouldn't work out.
...or does it?
We didn't actually see Satoshi kill the aunt.
And now that we are reliving the theory of 'swamp gas makes people go crazy', maybe the swamp gas made the druggie go crazy and kill the aunt.
But in any case, the death of the aunt is, so far, the odd-man out...the one that doesn't fit with the others in a conspiracy theory. She's not important enough to really grab the attention of the 3 houses.
But...parasites that live in swamp gas?
Really pushes suspension of disbelief for me, but okay -- let's assume that's true.
It explains Keiichi's going insane during the first arc, but doesn't explain his not going crazy during the other arcs.
Shion was born in Hinamizawa and left/came back several times. So did Mion, when they switched roles every so often.
So while the gas explains some things, I'm not convinced it can explain all of them. And if the government knew about it and decided to destroy the swamp, like Vicke said, why is the swamp destroyed in some arcs but not others?
Deathkillz
2006-09-21, 13:04
the story goes from supernatural to sci-fi :heh:
paracites lol...the theory is soo farfetched
well imo even if the roles are switched from Onikakushi-hen i think rena is getting a lot more support than what k1 has been through...
Takano is such a creepy person...she is mysterious and keeps dying off without any explinations -.-
well if the theory is true it would provide a connection to why in Onikakushi-hen rena and mion tried to inject k1 with a "mysterious liquid" maybe k1 got the berserk thing and the girls were trying to give him a vaccine...but of course k1 did go beserk even though he was clearly injected so i guess that goes out of the window ^_^
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-21, 13:50
Furthermore, it seems that Tomitake is suffering from the very disease that she is researching. She's a nurse who obsessively researches this disease and she is around him often. Why then, of all people, would the person right under her nose fall victim to it?
Maybe she caused him to contract it in order to study it more closely? ;)
The parasite thing is very close to what I've been thinking all along. It also explains why everyone at Hinamizawa seems so irritable and prone to each other apart. Heck, it could even explain that superhuman strength we've all been joking about.
It even explains the gas explosion: the radicals were trying to release the parasites by digging them out, when they hit a pocket of toxic volcanic gas.
It doesn't explain everything, but I doubt that Higurashi is convenient enough to let one thing explain them all. There are probably several factors at work in addition to the parasites.
Heck, it could even explain that superhuman strength we've all been joking about.
Considering the superhuman strength is apparently not present in the game I don't think we can use it as proof for anything apart from Studio DEEN staff's temporal insanity. :heh:
BakaOnna
2006-09-21, 15:07
I just realized something. Can it possible that the clawing their throat out be caused by the hallucination of maggots? Rena did say she kept scratching her cut wound because she thought she saw maggots. What if Tomitake and Keiichi imaged them as well and tried to stratch them out until they hit an artery and bled to death?
Mkay, wow a long time since I've posted here.. mostly cause the show's surprised me so much and layered on so much I don't have anything constructive to add.. I'm just along for the ride!
But...
Did it bug anyone else how calmly Keiichi reacted to Rena's news? I mean given her history in this arc I'd have thought that it would be only natural to suspect her!
Since I'm never sure how far back the spoiler blocking should go... ^^;;
Keiichi knows Rena's murdered two people in already. When he hears she's being followed, he assumes it's the police, and I thought he was assuming the police had discovered her earlier crime.
Then she tells him there's two new murders and he doesn't even pause for one moment? Doesn't say... "Um, Rena, you didn't... did you?"
That bugged me.
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-21, 15:12
I just realized something. Can it possible that the clawing their throat out be caused by the hallucination of maggots? Rena did say she kept scratching her cut wound because she thought she saw maggots. What if Tomitake and Keiichi imaged them as well and tried to stratch them out until they hit an artery and bled to ?
1. You can't see your own neck. Although a hallucination isn't rooted in sight, I guess, so you could still imagine the sensation and act on that.
2. K1 made no mention of maggots or anything of that nature in Onikakushi-hen. He was still on about someone following him. From the information that was revealed to us, clawing at his throat was a bit random.
Something I just noticed: At the end of Onikakushi-hen, Ooishi tells K1 not to claw at his throat. How does Ooishi know that K1 was considering this? Did they find out what caused Tomitake to do it?
LostBlue
2006-09-21, 16:48
It even explains the gas explosion
X Explosion
O Disaster
There is no boom. Just silent gasses that reap the village at the dead of the night killing everyone in their sleep. That's what's one of the causes that panics the nation, that an entire village can be wiped out during everyone's sleep (See TIP).
it would be only natural to suspect her!
There is a reason why he's willing to trust his friends ;)
At the end of Onikakushi-hen, Ooishi tells K1 not to claw at his throat. How does Ooishi know that K1 was considering this?
Keiichi was having problems speaking and breathing and was constantly coughing in a strange way. Oishi didn't cation Keiichi not to claw his throat, he was asking if he was.
Just remembered something about the EP.
The game went into Oishi's pt of view briefly. This will explain Rena's and Keiichi's role reversal, the reason why Oishi decides to stalk Rena in Tsumihoroboshi rather than Keiichi like in Onikakushi.
1) Both are close to Sonozaki Mion
2) At the Watanagashi Festival, Oishi kept a close eye on Mion's group. He observed their actions and notice that one of them didn't fit in with the group as if that person had doubts with the group. That was Keiichi in Onikakushi and Rena in Tsumihoroboshi. This doubt is not apparent (actually nonexistant) in the other chapters.
3) The group was the last observed people to come in contact with Tomitake and Takano, the fifth year's victims. Noticing, pt #2 Oishi was hoping for a lead by coming in contact with said person.
paracites lol...the theory is soo farfetched
You think this is farfetched, then wait... you should hear the rest of the theory :D
What's really screwing me up here is that Rika knew about the death of Satoko's aunt
All hail Queen Rika! XD
She also suggests Keiichi to become a Seiyuu. If he does so, he might a get a key role in G****m or something XD XD XD (Matsuribayashi Hen)
I wonder how much of Rena's explanation that is a paranoid fantasy. An explanation at least as likely as the parasites is that Himazawa inbred village that it is has a bunch of people prone to certain psychiatric disorders.
The tips seem to point to several of the characters being prone to delusional misidentification syndromes. K1 gets triggered by Oishi and Rena in the first arc. Jelousy and perhaps Rena's crazy talk during the rain triggers Shion, Rika believing there is a double of her, perhaps triggered from constantly being told she is a "godess" and perhaps overhearing something she should not ( Like the Sonozakis planning to get rid of some "traitors" ). Now Tomitake is not a Himazawa resident as far as I know so why he would try to claw out his throat doesn't really fit into this. However Rena doesn't seem fully stable so I think anything sounding crazy from her could be just that, crazy talk.
Kisuke06
2006-09-21, 18:59
Well, this one was... interesting. So, Oyashirom-sama's curse now has a scientific explanation. :heh:
It's a shame that we are just two episodes from the end. So sad. :upset:
I<3killerloli's
2006-09-21, 21:36
^ What game is your signature pic from?
Parasites?
Zombies?
Foriegn villages?
LOL, So basically RE4 and Higurashi have the same plot in the end? XD Somebody really needs to do a quick movie with Leon S. Kennedy taking on the Hinamizawa girls. Actually, Salazar and Satako do look a bit a like, don't they?
But man...parasites? PAR-FREAKING-SITES? The show makes us believe the ending will be a whammy in the end, and yet parasites could have easily been one of my top 5 "WTF is REALLLLY going on here" guesses.
Now I'm mad. I'm glad the next episode looks awesome. I think it may be the last but I'm not sure.
People sure are quick to fully believe Tanako's notes despite how mysterious she is. I don't buy them at all. Episode 12 proved to me she's up to something.
VirtualEclipse
2006-09-21, 23:09
Seeing as Takano works in the medical field and obviously has quite a bit of wit, I don't see it as impossible that she knows about Rena's condition and intentionally planted the parasite/maggot thing to freak her out more.
I like the way that theory explained Oyashiro-sama and possibly how Takano could be in the Shrine when she was already dead at the time (Watanagashi-hen). Although I am hoping that Higurashi doesn't turn out to be just a bunch of mentally unstable people stuck in a Groundhog's Day-esque environment, I find it pretty hard to believe that everything is the work of Parasites.
People sure are quick to fully believe Tanako's notes despite how mysterious she is. I don't buy them at all. Episode 12 proved to me she's up to something.
I don't like the explanation of 'parasites' very much, either -- seems fairly improbable.
However, we're two episodes away from the end of the show. Might be a little late to throw in red herrings.
I don't like the explanation of 'parasites' very much, either -- seems fairly improbable.
However, we're two episodes away from the end of the show. Might be a little late to throw in red herrings.
Two episodes left for the anime, two arcs left for the plot.
Two episodes left for the anime, two arcs left for the plot.
True.
But they're not going to animate those arcs, so for all intents and purposes they should be getting ready to wrap up the show by the end of 26.
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-22, 00:10
People sure are quick to fully believe Tanako's notes despite how mysterious she is. I don't buy them at all. Episode 12 proved to me she's up to something.
Obviously she's up to something, but just because she is doesn't mean her notes are fake. It's possible that she needs Rena to know what's really going on for some reason.
I'm not 100% convinced that she is telling the truth (maybe 70%, but I was wrong about the twin thing, so... :heh:), but the parasites do explain an awful lot to be something that she made up herself.
Obviously she's up to something, but just because she is doesn't mean her notes are fake. It's possible that she needs Rena to know what's really going on for some reason.
I'm not 100% convinced that she is telling the truth (maybe 70%, but I was wrong about the twin thing, so... :heh:), but the parasites do explain an awful lot to be something that she made up herself.
I think they're half-truths. Either she doesn't know the full answer or is intentionally doing it. I have a hard tme believing the game would give you the true answer this early. :heh:
Notes for Shion and notes for Rena were completely different, like specifically prepared for each girl, they nicely coped with Shion's obsession with Satoshi and her grudges against her family and with Rena's delusional parasitosis. (Shion was sure it is all about Sonozaki's conspiracy, Rena is starting to believe in "space parasites conspiracy" btw. I can't believe how many people took this seriously).
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-22, 09:49
Notes for Shion and notes for Rena were completely different, like specifically prepared for each , they nicely coped with Shion's obsession with Satoshi and her grudges against her family and with Rena's delusional parasitosis.
She has lots of notebooks, obviously. They could all focus on separate leads she has instead of lumping everything into one confusing heap.
It's possible that she did prepare them for each , but if that's the case, how did she know what would appeal to them? She has been researching Hinamizawa, but it's likely that the only two who know about Rena's condition are her father and Dr. Irie, and neither of them would tell her anything. Plus, she would have needed quite a bit of time to get all that stuff together.
Not saying you're wrong, just furthering discussion ;)
chrno_the_sinner
2006-09-22, 09:53
She has been researching Hinamizawa, but it's likely that the only two who know about Rena's condition are her father and Dr. Irie, and neither of them would tell her anything. Plus, she would have needed quite a bit of time to get all that stuff together.
Not saying you're wrong, just furthering discussion ;)
Takano works for Irie. Getting her hands on the medical files for anyone in Hinamizawa would be cake for her. Plus, seeing as how there's no psychologist that we've seen, Irie probably took notes about mental state as well.
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-22, 10:09
Takano works for Irie. Getting her hands on the medical files for anyone in Hinamizawa would be cake for her. Plus, seeing as how there's no psychologist that we've seen, Irie probably took notes about mental state as well.
These are very good points. I'd forgotten about Takano working for Irie. I suppose the parasite theory will remain in the 'maybe, but probably not' bin.
Kisuke06
2006-09-22, 11:29
^ What game is your signature pic from?
It's from a game caller "It's a Wonderful World" for DS:
http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh2/fm/scans/scn0001.jpg
I<3killerloli's
2006-09-22, 11:54
^ Huh. Can't find any info about it on GameFAQ's. Could there be any other possible title for it?
Kisuke06
2006-09-22, 12:16
^ Huh. Can't find any info about it on GameFAQ's. Could there be any other possible title for it?
Hm... that I don't know. This game has been announced recently, maybe they haven't put on gamefaq's yet.
chrno_the_sinner
2006-09-22, 12:50
Search for Subarashiki Kono Sekai.
Sinestra
2006-09-22, 20:02
Wow a lot of things came out in this episode. I so dont believe the stuff written in Takano journels. Its too neat it offers a perfect and clear account of the things going on in the town. As a matter a fact its too neat and i mean come on parasites. I cant wait to see how things end with Rena seems like shes starting to loose it. She so cute even when shes elbow deep in blood and body parts:D
BrokenWingz
2006-09-22, 20:10
Wow a lot of things came out in this episode. I so dont believe the stuff written in Takano journels. Its too neat it offers a perfect and clear account of the things going on in the town. As a matter a fact its too neat and i mean come on parasites. I cant wait to see how things end with Rena seems like shes starting to loose it. She so cute even when shes elbow deep in blood and body parts:D
It is just her research, so i would believe that some are real and some are just myths. Of course it is the most logical answer and since she seems to die in practically all the arcs, i would believe that there is a reason to kill her hence why some of her notes are real, but to make sense which one..no idea.
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-23, 00:06
It is just her research, so i would believe that some are real and some are just myths. Of course it is the most logical answer and since she seems to die in practically all the arcs, i would believe that there is a reason to kill her hence why some of her notes are real, but to make sense which one..no idea.
Unless she fakes her own death...
theacefrehley
2006-09-23, 00:34
Unless she fakes her own death...
What is pretty much what happens, I think, with info we have of Watanagashi-hen (Oishii: "The dead are walking way too much around here...") and that "You didn't see me this night" on Tatarigoroshi-hen.
I can't even believe she is researching something. This research is just another lie to me... Just to instigate the children and the people of the village into madness
Wow....Takano note's of doom and Ciel idea of curry on a hot day....facinating
By looking at the preview,Rena gonna lash out at Keiichi and co?Thats harsh.
Reading this thread makes me wonder if Takano's scapbook and research are true.If they're made up,wat purpose does it serve.
lotsa qns too little answer ^^
What is pretty much what happens, I think, with info we have of Watanagashi-hen (Oishii: "The dead are walking way too much around here...") and that "You didn't see me this night" on Tatarigoroshi-hen.
I do believe that in the last part they do show that Shion is Shion and that the one who was attacking Keiichi was Mion.
Kisuke06
2006-09-23, 09:51
Something that I just thought: Why would Rena believe in that explanation for the "Oyashiro-sama's curse" if she said she already met with Oyashiro-sama? I mean, the parasites make the person go berserk, but not halluccinate, right?
But they're not going to animate those arcs, so for all intents and purposes they should be getting ready to wrap up the show by the end of 26.Not if something like, say, movie or full-length game awaits for the anime to finish.
In such case, anime can finish with full of questions remain unanswered, which will just improve the sales of these following production; You know, like Evangelion.
And as you know well, PS2 port with 4 non-animated chapters is due out in December.
White Manju Bun
2006-09-23, 12:33
The parasite explanation was kinda weird but I kinda see where its coming from. Ive gotten to the point with this anime to just kinda take everything as it comes just cuz the way the arcs are designed. Which is way this anime rules so much, you never really know where its gonna go.
Also I dont really trust Takano-san either, so her notes may be a lie but who knows
Hopeful Death
2006-09-23, 13:38
2 episodes left and there are a lot of questions I still have about the show.
I don't think many of them will be answered in the last 2 episodes. And I don't think I have the brain power to find the answers based on just the first 6 chapters.
Wah, I feel like crying.
FatPianoBoy
2006-09-23, 23:39
Something that I just thought: Why would Rena believe in that explanation for the "Oyashiro-sama's curse" if she said she already met with Oyashiro-sama? I mean, the parasites make the person go berserk, but not halluccinate, right?
I think Rena subconciously wants to find reason to not believe in Oyashiro-sama. The parasites are the first (or best) explanation other than Oyashiro-sama being real that she's ever heard, so it's natural that she'd become fixated on it.
Whether the parasites are real or not, Rena wants them to be real just like the radicals mentioned in the notebook (if they exist, which I'm almost positive they do) want Oyashiro-sama to be real.
I hope I'm not too late :p
Nipa~.
I'm really glad to see how people can be easily swayed.
You all may want to utilize TIPS #125 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675178&postcount=125), TIPS #126 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675821&postcount=126) and especially TIPS #127 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=675835&postcount=127).
After seeing this episode and reading this entire Thread.., out of all the posts.., this one stayed in my head..., so.., immediatly I went to check the TIP's section after.
And to my suprise wasn't that.., they compleatly give us the "True" meaning to what we saw written in Takano's notes related to "The parasite of Hinamizawa"; ..if analysed correctly :)
For this end we must conclude that Takano's notes where not from a scientifical point of view.., but rather from a superstition one instead.., since it was partialy what she was investigating aswell..
Taking on this.., seeing as Rena has "now" followed the path that Keiichi had in Onikakushi-hen.., she sees Takano's notes as THE only explination to what is "the cause" of certain events..., something that ends up enforcing her syndroms..
Try to think of it.., much like a vicious circle ;)
So.., needless to say then.., Takano's notes here have been un-willingly? used to BE miss-interpreted by Rena, to an extensive point of belief that is.., acting as one more catalyst to the events that will unfold..
However.., one main thing is diferent.., Rena asked Keiichi for help.., and is (at the moment) luring him into the situation.., causing him to also starting to share her and trigger his own "delusion syndromes"; which was what happened to him before ;)
The outcome is still pretty uncertain.., but regarding This I don't think Rena can go back anymore.., as for Keiichi though.., well.., I belive that's another story.. ^^
This episode could have been a major plot Twist if we had not been presented with the TIP's..., hence why I see so many wondering about "parasites" and passing judgment based on the explinations given to us by Rena :p
yakuri-moe
2006-09-24, 03:47
Parasites... at first I thought "ok it's reasonable" to a certain extent. In religions and myths gods always descend to Earth, cross the big river, appear from somewhere... it's understandable that people at that time might have thought "omfg lmao a god came to save us!" when it was just another human, so yes I kinda thought this explained something at all, but not everything.
for example, what's the deal with Rika? I don't thin maggots allow you to see the future (or whatever the heck she does) do they? there are incidents that maggots or gasses don't justify (unless they do the 'matrix' thingie and everything is a dream or wtf). They do give a reasonable explanation to Oyashiro-sama's legend but that's it.
Besides that would be a lousy way of finishing such a great story -_-U
I always liked the idea that Oyashiro-sama is real to an extent. It is as real as the person wants it to be, and only manifests itself through people with mental problems (aka crazy folks), but it's an explanation that doesn't explain a lot of things either.
Higurashi is a great story, I really really hope that the new game comes out in English (one can only hope ^^)
And just so you guys know, even after reading all the tips, watched the anime and read some of the manga I still am in muddy waters (which embarrasses me, but I don't wanna defend the "mars attacks" teory). Of course I understand some arcs now, but the overall picture is a mistery to me @_@
Darklightz
2006-09-24, 22:52
I wonder if the Oyashira-sama explanations were a jab against religions ("Gods don't exist and only mentally ill people believe in them")
*shudders* I feel bad for what happened to Rena.I can barely imagine what it woulf feel like if I saw maggots coming out of my wounds.I believe this also explains why people started clawing their throats.
Poor Keichii,still clueless and once again with a target on his back.
Now the parasite brings a new question.What was in the syringes first used by Rena and Mion and later used by the doctor.Was it the parasite?A cure for the parasite?Either way,what is the point of infecting them in Keichii?
The mystery behind this anime is like quicksand.The more you try to understand the more confusing it gets
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