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LOL^10
Great, great promo (http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/2007/04/04/lucky-star-anime-promo-impressions/). Has any studio done something like that?
Man, I'll galdly hype this show based on that promo alone :p .
WanderingKnight
2007-04-04, 22:50
Not releasing much video promo material until this CM is a sign of a hyped series imo. They didn't really need to do much advertising. It's been talked about since last year with Kyo-Ani's involvement. They add a Wii controller for coolness factor and let viral advertising do all the work. They have truly avoided the normal scrutiny. No trailers on the website. Nothing at TAF that has made its way to YouTube.
Please don't get started on criticism of KyoAni's hype, or we will have Kaio-chin (:3) in his prime time.
Actually, I am terrified by all the hype surrounding "Lucky Star". People seem to be expecting the Third Impact or something from it. I seriously doubt KyoAni is going to make this into one of their "high-end tier" productions.
It's like... Mercedes deciding to make Golf Carts, and while they might well be the world's best Golf Carts, it is still a Golf Cart at heart. Nothing against Golf Carts, if I may add. I am just suggesting that people may be tuning their expectations up a bit too high for "Lucky Star" to live up to (unfairly even).
Cheers.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-04, 23:00
Too late! What the hell did I just see????!!!! :confused: Oh right an anime promo. *shiver*. Nothing more or less than usual really for an anime promo, told us absolutely nothing about the show other than the name and air date and...well at least it didn't have crappy music so its better than most.
It's not that they don't care about the promo its that they don't have to because a) Nobody else has set the bar very high for anime promos and b) No matter what it'll sell because of the company doing it by fans who really need to think with there heads and not with their guts anc c) Those fans need to think like William Jefferson Clinton and not like George Walker Bush when contemplating what an anime will be based on evidence so you get the truth presented to you with a shocker (huh?). Kyoto Animation probably realize that the hype fans have created surrounding them that is beyond their control and potentially dangerous for this series needed to be stifled John "Settle Down" Stewart style. (Basically Fans: "WOOOOOOO KYOTO Animation" *Standing Ovation* "WOOOOOOOO WE LOVE YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE THE ENLIGHTENING ALL OVER AGAIN WOOOOOOO!" *Whistle* and then the commerical is Kyoto Animation going "settle down". Basically almost every episode of the Daily Show begins this way before he's even had a chance to do anything or describe the program for the night. Only replace the audience with Kyoto fans and Kyoto with John Stewart.)
As long as its funny I'm good. I don't think Kyoto Animation needs to prove anything with each new series because I haven't expected much from them since I first learned of them, they do high quality adaptations in my eyes and thats about. I will give them props for being humble about things and not trying to push the series as something it clearly isn't like a lot of deceitful companies.
Anyway leave it to Aya Hirano to do something really goofy and bizarre with a character. Seriously the girl should stick with what she's good at. I think I'm going to like this series as long as the KyoAni fanboys can keep themselves restrained and not start some sort of Jehovah's Witness style religion where they go to every website posting nonsense and screwing with episode ratings and summaries. The more everybody keeps things real the more I find I like talking about series with people and in turn watching them. I mean its cool to be psyched and like something a lot and even too be silly when joking about a show, but when people stop using logic in posts and opinions and they believe something too be true that isn't based on gut feeling or bias, than it becomes hard to take anything relating to a show seriously or too have fun with it.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-04, 23:00
Actually, I am terrified by all the hype surrounding "Lucky Star". People seem to be expecting the Third Impact or something from it. I seriously doubt KyoAni is going to make this into one of their "high-end tier" productions.
Well, those unlearned otaku should know by now that this is KyoAni's way of taking a break from Kanon.
Mirrinus
2007-04-04, 23:08
Then again, their treatment of Lucky☆Star feels very similar to how they treated Haruhi Suzumiya last spring. Back then there was absolutely no fan hype for Haruhi before it came out anyway, yet they never even bothered with a promo. Personally, it seems to me that Kyoto Animation would do this regardless of fan hype or fan devotion to their studio, as circumstances were different back with Haruhi. I wouldn't say this is a new tactic for Kyoto Animation to not worry about industry hype, as they've done this before. While nearly every other series out there has a full minute and a half trailer, Lucky☆Star gets just a few seconds of "uuuuuuuu". Unique.
Kanon (and Clannad) are totally different though, seeing as these shows are meant to appeal to a very specific group of fans, whose expectations would be very different, so it's necessary to give them something earlier. As stated by Orion, there are many devoted fans already to this franchise that wish to scrutinize their work.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-04, 23:11
I'd die right on the spot if we get another "Episode 0". From laughter, of course.
I just expect it to be gut-wrenching fun. Not sure if that's an unreasonable expectation.
QBnoYouko
2007-04-04, 23:19
Hahaha, hilarious CM. Go Aaya! If that's the way she'll sound throughout the series, I'm gonna love this even more. :D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-04, 23:22
Hahaha, hilarious CM. Go Aaya! If that's the way she'll sound throughout the series, I'm gonna love this even more. :D
For once I totally agree with the Aya Hirano support. She's improving. I knew she would when given time to work on her strong points like hyper and whimsical characters. :p
Daniel E.
2007-04-04, 23:38
That was an interesting promo for sure. :heh: :heh: :heh:
Best Promo of the Year.
Simply states it's going to air with some background noise.
So impressive.
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2007-04-04, 23:50
That was an interesting promo for sure. :heh: :heh: :heh:
It was genius! I watched it three times in complete awe.
I wonder how long it took Stratos to translate it. :)
It was genius! I watched it three times in complete awe.
I wonder how long it took Stratos to translate it. :)
I think he spent more time laughing than actually translating it. :p I can only imagine the giggles as the [a.f.k.] team uploaded it.
Natch.
Probably took it 15 minutes to translate...
...plus 5 hours of encoding :P.
Daniel E.
2007-04-05, 00:05
It was genius! I watched it three times in complete awe.
I wonder how long it took Stratos to translate it. :)
Yes, I have to admit that it actually gets to you after you watch it a few times. :)
http://img02.yourpix.org/images/04.07/05/1175749392lucky.jpg (http://img02.yourpix.org/view/04.07/05/1175749392lucky.jpg) :p
What a great way to wake up, I mean me watching this commercial.
For some seconds I almost expected a weird noise a la uguu or unyuu.
DJ_RockmanX
2007-04-05, 03:11
That promo was made of sheer brilliance. :D
~Tsukuyomi
2007-04-05, 04:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WD9D2RTk3s
For lazy downloaders... Here's a Youtube promo for you...
Zappster
2007-04-05, 04:48
Or it could be a sign of how much this show is hyped. Not many CMs imo will contain only 1 minute of a character snoring with only broadcasting info at the very end.
Was there another CM for this? The a.f.k. subbed one contained 14 seconds of footage, if you can call it that.
Not releasing much video promo material until this CM is a sign of a hyped series imo. They didn't really need to do much advertising. It's been talked about since last year with Kyo-Ani's involvement. They add a Wii controller for coolness factor and let viral advertising do all the work. They have truly avoided the normal scrutiny. No trailers on the website. Nothing at TAF that has made its way to YouTube.
Fans of Kanon wouldn't let them get away with something like this imo. They'd want to scrutinize the animation product of a cherished franchise imo.
I don't really agree with that. I think the sign of a hyped series is releasing DVDs of promo footage before a show airs like what was done with Kanon and Fate Stay Night IIRC. The situation with this show is similar to the Haruhi one where there was little to no footage shown beforehand as someone already mentioned.
Releasing promo footage is advertising for a series. Besides Kanon had its footage also in magazines before that DVD was released and had an interview on that DVD.
Oops, it was only 14 secs. Sorry.
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I really didn't see anything funny about that promo at all. Compared to the other 15 sec promo that was out (Darker than BLACK, Guardian of the Sacred Spirit) this definitely was rock bottom imo. Very little to no animation was involved. Not even a hint of the type of background music used. I suppose if you want to say that they want to keep people in the dark until the first episode, then they've succeeded. Then this would again imply hype and viral advertising over traditional method of advertising imo.
Then this would again imply hype and viral advertising over traditional method of advertising imo.
Show me the "viral advertising" of it, by it, I mean trucks, bus, walls or floors covering with ads of Lucky Star, anything that implies "Lucky Star is everywhere!"
This thread is an example of viral advertising as is any other thread that deals with it meaning that the series is relying on word of mouth via the otaku population (like what happened with Haruhi in R1 , asosbrigade.com is a prime example of viral advertising as was the AoD announcement). It also had magazine articles (traditional advertising), but no real video footage that made it's way to YouTube or on its website. TAF is pretty big and nothing from that whereas Clannad was there. Even the website was pretty sparse on info.
Now look at the other releases. Darker than BLACK blitzed us. Guardian of the Sacred Spirit had loads of trailers. Reideen had a 1st ep free viewing and the Production IG blog reports. Heck, even Clannad TV put out a promo and has Kanon fans collecting stuff to receive more promo material. I can go on with the list of promos of titles for this season, but Random Curiosity has a summary for that.
Sai the Dreamer
2007-04-05, 06:14
Hah, nice promo. :D But again, this seems to reinforce my assumption that this will be the next Haruhi, popularity-wise, or at least trying for it. They have practically limitless potential to play with here, after all. :p
Ascaloth
2007-04-05, 07:29
:twitch:
I'm in WTF-mode right now.....
Interesting promo, that's for sure. :heh:
Still not going to make me budge from my initial position of waiting for the positive blurbs before I commit to this, though. :p
Too late! What the hell did I just see????!!!! :confused: Oh right an anime promo. *shiver*. Nothing more or less than usual really for an anime promo, told us absolutely nothing about the show other than the name and air date and...well at least it didn't have crappy music so its better than most.
It's not that they don't care about the promo its that they don't have to because a) Nobody else has set the bar very high for anime promos and b) No matter what it'll sell because of the company doing it by fans who really need to think with there heads and not with their guts anc c) Those fans need to think like William Jefferson Clinton and not like George Walker Bush when contemplating what an anime will be based on evidence so you get the truth presented to you with a shocker (huh?). Kyoto Animation probably realize that the hype fans have created surrounding them that is beyond their control and potentially dangerous for this series needed to be stifled John "Settle Down" Stewart style. (Basically Fans: "WOOOOOOO KYOTO Animation" *Standing Ovation* "WOOOOOOOO WE LOVE YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE THE ENLIGHTENING ALL OVER AGAIN WOOOOOOO!" *Whistle* and then the commerical is Kyoto Animation going "settle down". Basically almost every episode of the Daily Show begins this way before he's even had a chance to do anything or describe the program for the night. Only replace the audience with Kyoto fans and Kyoto with John Stewart.)
As long as its funny I'm good. I don't think Kyoto Animation needs to prove anything with each new series because I haven't expected much from them since I first learned of them, they do high quality adaptations in my eyes and thats about. I will give them props for being humble about things and not trying to push the series as something it clearly isn't like a lot of deceitful companies.
Anyway leave it to Aya Hirano to do something really goofy and bizarre with a character. Seriously the girl should stick with what she's good at. I think I'm going to like this series as long as the KyoAni fanboys can keep themselves restrained and not start some sort of Jehovah's Witness style religion where they go to every website posting nonsense and screwing with episode ratings and summaries. The more everybody keeps things real the more I find I like talking about series with people and in turn watching them. I mean its cool to be psyched and like something a lot and even too be silly when joking about a show, but when people stop using logic in posts and opinions and they believe something too be true that isn't based on gut feeling or bias, than it becomes hard to take anything relating to a show seriously or too have fun with it.
There there, settle down, Kaioshin-oneesama. :p
And before you go off again, I'll like to put things in perspective for you; this is going to be one heck of a silly show. That means, if you want to follow this series, having to deal with general silliness is going to be par for the course. :p
Seriously though, why don't you leave your brain at home and let your hair down, for once? No need to be so serious all the time, you know. ;)
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 07:32
I really didn't see anything funny about that promo at all. Compared to the other 15 sec promo that was out (Darker than BLACK, Guardian of the Sacred Spirit) this definitely was rock bottom imo. Very little to no animation was involved. Not even a hint of the type of background music used.
No, in my opinion, it's just a show of KyoAni's originality when facing certain cliche's--every series has a 15 second promo featuring the badassest animation the studio can pay for, right? But what are we welcomed with now? A simple, unappealing 15 second promo where nothing happens, but, since it's something completely out of the standard (and since people know the standards of KyoAni, thus the message of the CM is transmitted correctly), it makes it up in terms of originality.
Of course, I'm not telling you "YOU MUST LIKE THIS CM!!!" or anything of the sort, but I'm just telling you which part of it most members (I presume) are seeing as original.
No, in my opinion, it's just a show of KyoAni's originality when facing certain cliche's--every series has a 15 second promo featuring the badassest animation the studio can pay for, right?
It is like in most of hollywood blockbusters, where we get served 1 min of big explosions, badass punchlines and the final "OH SHI-", even tho they are likely to be the only things noteworthy in the final release of the movie.
But what are we welcomed with now? A simple, unappealing 15 second promo where nothing happens, but, since it's something completely out of the standard (and since people know the standards of KyoAni, thus the message of the CM is transmitted correctly), it makes it up in terms of originality.
I am inclined to believe that KyoAni's message could be something like "lower your expectations, all you gonna see is a bunch of silly girls doing silly things for 24 episodes".
EDIT: I just wanna see Konata delivering her lines like "If I join a sport club, how do I get the time to play video games?". This kind of lines and my soft spot for the dark long-haired bishoujos (Madoka, Hazuki from Yamibou, Sakaki etc...) get me sold on her character.
Kisuke06
2007-04-05, 09:29
It really is an... interesting promo. lol
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 09:40
This kind of lines and my soft spot for the dark long-haired bishoujos (Madoka, Hazuki from Yamibou, Sakaki etc...) get me sold on her character.
Well, she's not exactly a... bishoujo... is she? :heh:
I'll give her some points for breath control :)
Lucky☆Star isn't going to be astounding or mind-blowing or "hype of the year" ... it looks like it is going to be .... fun :)
W-General
2007-04-05, 11:33
14 seconds of uuuuuuuu....
That was too funny to take. KyoAni has never let me down, why should this be an exception?
*Goes back to worshipping KyoAni*
Aye caramba. I get the nagging feeling that a lot of people are going to be in for a shock when Lucky Star actually airs. :p
Tintin!
darkchibi07
2007-04-05, 11:54
I'm prepared to lower my expectations accordingly. As a few peeps have said, I don't expect mind-blowing animation like all their other series since this type of series doesn't really require it. I can be assured that KyoAni does have a good knack on comedic timing whether they use cheap, repeated frames or ridiculously fluid action-gag type scenes.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 12:00
Aye caramba. I get the nagging feeling that a lot of people are going to be in for a shock when Lucky Star actually airs.
I'm not as much into expecting some kind of smashing animation or something like that... I just want to see more originality oozing from their works, as they've shown already in their past shows.
Yeah, I'm betting on shock time for some people too. :heh:
Still, it's nice to see if they can be on the level of JC Staff in this area (comedy with in jokes/otaku references).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 12:56
I'm not as much into expecting some kind of smashing animation or something like that... I just want to see more originality oozing from their works, as they've shown already in their past shows.
Originality? In what way have they ever been original. It's not them if there's a case of originality in storytelling its the person they licensed the work from. Don't go crediting the wrong people now.
Alright look its like this... The reason I get upset sometimes is when I see people trying to attribute what just isn't a universal truth to something, but an opinion asserted as fact. I'll give Kyoto Animation the Animation, I'll give them decent music, I'll give them good voice casting even if I don't like Sugita Tomakazu, I'll give them faithful adaptations, but I can't give them originality, even for Munto, which is basically just Inuyasha meets Escaflowne meets Inuyasha (Which interestingly enough come recommended when I searched for more info on Munto and this after I made the guess) from what I can tell. It's when people see great things and we all know they are great, but then go and attribute everything great to those things and don't know where to draw the line between absolute perfection and excellence and allow room for improvement and even more enjoyment that I say "Whoa Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hold up there."
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 14:01
Originality? In what way have they ever been original. It's not them if there's a case of originality in storytelling its the person they licensed the work from. Don't go crediting the wrong people now.
They have originality in the way they do the adaptations. I think no one could've adapted Haruhi the way they did. The episode rearrangement was a master's move. Getting together in a single event line all originally separated arcs of Kanon had also the masters' touch. I know most of their work is adapted, but then again, most anime these days are adaptations. And most studios would've never come up with the stuff KyoAni came up when trying to squeeze some originality in their adaptations.
And yes, the originality of the storytelling in an adaptation is actually the studio's originality, because things flow differently in an animated series and thus the way to tell the story has to be analyzed and adapted properly. They don't get the credit for the originality of the story, though.
I'd rank Madhouse and Bones very high up here. JC Staff too have proven to be solid.
I have the gut feeling that Kiao is feeling the same way about KyoAni and its fanboys as I do about Gainax and its fanboys.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 14:09
I have the gut feeling that Kiao is feeling the same way about KyoAni and its fanboys as I do about Gainax and its fanboys.
Gainax is completely insane. I don't think it calls for a regular comparison with other studios.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 14:20
They have originality in the way they do the adaptations. I think no one could've adapted Haruhi the way they did. The episode rearrangement was a master's move. Getting together in a single event line all originally separated arcs of Kanon had also the masters' touch. I know most of their work is adapted, but then again, most anime these days are adaptations. And most studios would've never come up with the stuff KyoAni came up when trying to squeeze some originality in their adaptations.
I can think of a few. They're good, but they aren't the best. They share the stage with a lot of other top-notch companies who I think could pull it off if they actually cared enough about the type of stuff Kyoto Animation does. Only nobody else really cares about the type of Stuff Kyoto does and those that do aren't exactly up to par (Studio Deen anyone). Only other company I can think of is Loli Staff (Ok fine J.C Staff). Though I don't think they are getting involved unless certain conditions fall into place
J.C Staff have made Excel Saga and Azumanga Daioh, and I am godamn fucking thankfull for that.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-05, 15:14
I really don't know what to expect from Lucky Star, but that promo makes me think it will be great. That was inventive and daring.
Remember that the director of this show was the guy who created the ED of SHnY. He appears to have the kind of creativity that can stimulate viral advertising. This ad and putting the Wii controllers in that pic seem like such simple things, but it's the simplest things that can be the most effective, and are the hardest to come up with. There's no doubt that this show is aiming to be an otaku favorite. After all, the main character spends most of her time with games and manga.
And that ad will have reinforced Hirano Aya's reputation for voice gymnastics. On TV she speaks in a girlish high voice normally, then drops into a lower voice like Layla's as a sort of seiyuu parlor trick that impresses the hosts. On a recent listing of most popular idols, she had risen to #30, with no other seiyuu in the top 50 except the star of Kirarin Revolution, who is really a singer with Morning Musume.
As for comparison with other studios, I can't do it. But I do think that KyoAni has given us great, detailed animation with witty details; that the adaptation of Kanon was really professional; and that the adaptation of SHnY was masterful. I agree that the episode shuffling was a stroke of genius. YMMV. Anyway, I'm more interested in the final product than in whether the story originated with the animation studio or not.
But I also think that we should notice who the actual staff are, rather than just broadly referring to a studio. AIR, Kanon, and SHnY were all directed by Ishihara Tatsuya. Lucky Star is directed by Yamamoto Yutaka, who directed episodes on those others, wrote some scripts, assisted Ishihara on SHnY, and directed the ED of SHnY. The lead writer on AIR and Kanon was Shimo Fumihiko. No lead writer was named on SHnY. For this show, an outsider comes in, Machida Doko, to be the lead writer.
Although I have a much more positive attitude toward this show than Skane seems to, I agree that people should not expect some clone of SHnY or Kanon. While the animation may be of the same quality, the whole operation is likely to look and feel altogether different, since the main staff is so different.
I like the fact that on their own website for SHnY, on the staff/cast page, KyoAni puts the cast first and the staff second, and credits the original author first, and not just as author but for "series organization assistance." This kind of comparative modesty, while it may actually be a sign of pride, is also a nice attitude, I think.
Just for completeness, I should add that FMP had an entirely different director, and Fumoffu and TSR had another.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 15:37
It really wasn't that great people, let's be honest. Sure its artsy and gutsy, but to say its a sign of anything to come is just being silly. All its says is that its likely to be unorthodox. It's not a stroke of genius, its just meant to be funny and tell you to expect laughter. Seriously if any other company had done that I know for a fact people would be up in arms and ready to write the show off as crap. Just take it for what it is, your typical anime preview that says nothing about the show other than the name and when it airs. I don't know how anybody can tell anything from an anime ad these days.
Why don't we wait till it airs and then do the usual routine and have it be the greatest show of the season. I'll even write the thread for people once it airs if they want, as I've been down this road enough times to know the progression of events.
Just for completeness, I should add that FMP had an entirely different director, and Fumoffu and TSR had another.
The first FMP was GONZO, though.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 15:49
The first FMP was GONZO, though.
Full Metal Panic Series is a joint-venture under the banner of FMP Film Partners. A lot of different companies worked on the series with first Gonzo and then Kyoto Animation doing the primary animation, Studio Gong doing the sound, Flight Master handling the opening and ending and Pony Canyon doing the BGM. The cast was also made up of members of Weiss and some other Seiyuu groups.
Mirrinus
2007-04-05, 15:53
It really wasn't that great people, let's be honest. Sure its artsy and gutsy, but to say its a sign of anything to come is just being silly. All its says is that its likely to be unorthodox. It's not a stroke of genius, its just meant to be funny and tell you to expect laughter. Seriously if any other company had done that I know for a fact people would be up in arms and ready to write the show off as crap. Just take it for what it is, your typical anime preview that says nothing about the show other than the name and when it airs. I don't know how anybody can tell anything from an anime ad these days.
Why don't we wait till it airs and then do the usual routine and have it be the greatest show of the season. I'll even write the thread for people once it airs if they want, as I've been down this road enough times to know the progression of events.
Who's calling it the greatest show of the season? All I see are people discussing what they liked of the CM.
You know, it gets pretty difficult to criticize others for their opinions on humor...
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 15:59
Who's calling it the greatest show of the season? All I see are people discussing what they liked of the CM.
You know, it gets pretty difficult to criticize others for their opinions on humor...
It's always like that. He feels the need to lurk through every KyoAni-related thread and smash away at anyone who dares to say they like that studio. It gets tiring after a while, but I've grown used to it. He seems not to be able to get over the fact that people actually have different opinions, and he also seems unable to ignore other people's comments when making his own judging.
Maritime
2007-04-05, 16:08
Interesting promo. I can't wait for this show to begin as it looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-05, 16:12
It really wasn't that great people, let's be honest. Sure its artsy and gutsy, but to say its a sign of anything to come is just being silly. All its says is that its likely to be unorthodox. It's not a stroke of genius.... Just take it for what it is, your typical anime preview....As usual, Kaioshin, you express your personal opinions with such certainty that they almost seem true. But the fact is that "artsy and gutsy" are pretty darn good recommendations in my book. And to call this your "typical anime preview" seems fairly "silly" to me.
I didn't say it was "genius," except that it may be marketing genius: it sure sticks in your mind, doesn't it? But it does indicate a level of inventiveness that I welcome and that is a good portent for the show, for which we have no trailer to give us any clearer portents. Not that they often do, as you say.
Just for the record: yes, I think it was "that great." As Mirrinus says, people's senses of humor are pretty hard to criticize.
Who's calling it the greatest show of the season? All I see are people discussing what they liked of the CM.
You know, it gets pretty difficult to criticize others for their opinions on humor...
I don't think that he said that others are saying that it's the greatest show of the season, but rather anticipating that they will despite any flaws that might be there in the future. Sort of like letting fanyboy/girlism take control.
I do admit that it was gutsy to do a CM like that. And it is kind of funny now that you guys explained it to me.
I'm looking forward to this and hope for translation notes for those otaku references. :heh:
I still think that JC Staff does a superb job with in-jokes and otaku references. I liked the Moon Phase OPs , PPD and Negima?! OVA the best.
Mirrinus
2007-04-05, 16:24
Eh...both my political science class (that I'm sitting in right now) and Higurashi have taught me the paradox of perception: believing is seeing. If you believe the Kyoto Animation fans of the world are out to get you, of course that's what you'll see. ^_^
Kaoru Chujo says the CM was inventive.
Orion thinks the CM shows that the show is hyped.
darkchibi07 was shocked and confused by the CM.
Blue-kun says it made him smile and that it was charming.
Nemo_N says LOL.
Wandering Knight says he's afraid Kaioshin_sama would criticize it.
Skane warns us not to expect too much from it.
QBnoYouko is amused by Hirano Aya's voice in the CM.
Daniel E. just says it was interesting.
Herbert likes the simplicity of it.
Maids!x3 loved it and laughs at how long it must have took a.f.k. to translate it.
Sheba is intrigued by weird noises.
random_bybasser thought it was brilliant.
~Tsukuyomi just posted a youtube version.
Zappster states he doesn't think Lucky☆Star is hyped.
Sai the Dreamer thinks this has lots of potential.
Ascaloth chooses to reserve judgment.
Itachi-chan says it was...interesting.
Vexx says he doesn't expect Lucky☆Star to be astounding, just fun.
W-General worships Kyoto Animation.
Kaoru Chujo says it was inventive and daring.
Maritime thinks it was interesting.
Really now, there haven't been many comments regarding the show itself with regards to what we have learned from the CM. And 1 fanboy hardly constitutes an army.
Really now, there haven't been many comments regarding the show itself with regards to what we have learned from the CM. And 1 fanboy hardly constitutes an army.
But....the Kanon thread regulars are here. Bwahahaha! :joke:
Anyway... [child voice] What Kyo-Ani taught me today about Lucky Star? Aya Hirano has gooooooooood vocal training. And I know at least 2 air times for the show.[/child voice] :heh:
It"s all about Konata's ¦3 face!
It"s all about Konata's ¦3 face!
Yep, it's a 24 episode series dealing with Konata's varying facial expressions.
Uguu!
I actually don't expect much from this series^^ I read the first 3 chapters of the manga I found it okay , sometimes even quite boring...
Let's see how KyoAni wil handle thise series... I did like all the KyoAni anime I've watched so far, but they have their weak points as well e.g.: episode directing in Air TV (I prefer Toei's movie)
Zappster
2007-04-05, 19:16
I'm posting again because I want to clarify my position on the show. I actually believe it to be the second coming and it's all because of the cast and studio (because they are the key to a good anime, right?). What I posted earlier was for the benefit of Kaioshin-chama's health. I would like to retract my earlier post and I hereby fully agree with orion. I have only myself to blame for taking part in this insidious viral marketing campaign.
As for the CM, well it was quite simply a work of genius. The storyboarding, the voice acting, the colour palette and the use of lighting were all top tier stuff. Dare I say it, only possible due to the creativeness of the gods at KyoAni. I love the clever way they built up the suspense and the payoff was huge. Showing all the information at the end, rather than diluting the experience by dripfeeding us the information throughout, was a masterstroke. I think it's plain to see from this footage what sort of a series we are in for. There's a hidden depth that is only revealed upon repeat viewings and it gives an extremely fascinating insight into the character and what makes her tick. Simply brilliant! This is what trailers should be about and I expect more to follow in the series. I believe this is going to be a splendid series which will delve deep into the effects of moe and the impacts it has on the lives of the characters and of course the viewers (I fully expect this to be meta-tastic). There are simply not enough superlatives to describe how I feel about this anime having viewed that work of art. If they can do that much in 14 seconds imagine what they could do in a whole 24 minutes.
Out of all the people who read it, only 5% are female?
I feel really out of place now...:heh:
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-05, 20:00
Out of all the people who read it, only 5% are female?
I feel really out of place now...:heh:
NOOOOoo!
Please don't go, we need female anime fans around here!:eyespin:
At the very least, you can offer insightful comparisons between yourself and the LuckyStar characters.;)
I'm posting again because I want to clarify my position on the show. I actually believe it to be the second coming and it's all because of the cast and studio (because they are the key to a good anime, right?). What I posted earlier was for the benefit of Kaioshin-chama's health. I would like to retract my earlier post and I hereby fully agree with orion. I have only myself to blame for taking part in this insidious viral marketing campaign.
As for the CM, well it was quite simply a work of genius. The storyboarding, the voice acting, the colour palette and the use of lighting were all top tier stuff. Dare I say it, only possible due to the creativeness of the gods at KyoAni. I love the clever way they built up the suspense and the payoff was huge. Showing all the information at the end, rather than diluting the experience by dripfeeding us the information throughout, was a masterstroke. I think it's plain to see from this footage what sort of a series we are in for. There's a hidden depth that is only revealed upon repeat viewings and it gives an extremely fascinating insight into the character and what makes her tick. Simply brilliant! This is what trailers should be about and I expect more to follow in the series. I believe this is going to be a splendid series which will delve deep into the effects of moe and the impacts it has on the lives of the characters and of course the viewers (I fully expect this to be meta-tastic). There are simply not enough superlatives to describe how I feel about this anime having viewed that work of art. If they can do that much in 14 seconds imagine what they could do in a whole 24 minutes.
If only you had posted this five days ago. :heh:
Cheers.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 21:55
As for the CM, well it was quite simply a work of genius. The storyboarding, the voice acting, the colour palette and the use of lighting were all top tier stuff. Dare I say it, only possible due to the creativeness of the gods at KyoAni. I love the clever way they built up the suspense and the payoff was huge. Showing all the information at the end, rather than diluting the experience by dripfeeding us the information throughout, was a masterstroke. I think it's plain to see from this footage what sort of a series we are in for. There's a hidden depth that is only revealed upon repeat viewings and it gives an extremely fascinating insight into the character and what makes her tick. Simply brilliant! This is what trailers should be about and I expect more to follow in the series. I believe this is going to be a splendid series which will delve deep into the effects of moe and the impacts it has on the lives of the characters and of course the viewers (I fully expect this to be meta-tastic). There are simply not enough superlatives to describe how I feel about this anime having viewed that work of art. If they can do that much in 14 seconds imagine what they could do in a whole 24 minutes.
This reminds me of the people who criticized Haruhi's Episode 0 (the first aired episode). In fact, I believe it is almost the same :heh:
Except Haruhi's episode 0 is seriously highly detailed animation made to resemble a high schooler movie project.
This one is just :3 uuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Out of all the people who read it, only 5% are female?
I feel really out of place now...
Isn't that great? You're unique! :heh:
I was probably one of the only people actually looking forward to MoSH before it even aired since I had read an article in Newtype USA about the novels months before, so I liked the series even without the hype. I think most the hype here is not from the actual show, but from KyoAni's reputation with good reason. I've read the manga that's been scanslated thus far and I haven't found it very funny, but I have some confidence for the director to improve on it because of past experience. I have a good feeling about this show, but not as good as with KyoAni's past works :)
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 22:25
There's something we can't doubt, at least the ones, like me, who have read the manga: they have golden material to work with. I'll be astonished if they actually manage to screw this up.
EDIT: GOSH! Mahora-Academy actually released an LQ and a HQ version of the promo! ROLFMAO :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 23:02
Request Rescinded
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-05, 23:04
To the person who keeps contacting me in a certain manner. I'd like it if you'd tell me who you are please.
If it's p.m., wouldn't you at least know the person's alias?:confused:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 23:10
If it's p.m., wouldn't you at least know the person's alias?:confused:
I'm not saying anything else beyond this. I don't want to get into too much trouble see, but I know of know other way to find the person than to ask there name and see if they answer.
Mirrinus
2007-04-05, 23:12
Probably reputation. In which case, yeah, it's shameful to rate down anyone anonymously, IMHO, for whatever reason. If there's a good reason, then surely it would stand up to public scrutiny, no?
Interesting.....Kaioshin_sama has a fan. It's that tsun-tsun personality of his.
Aw shucks, it was a reputation demoting event. No fun. I agree with not demoting anonymously. People should stand by their principles and public scrutiny.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-05, 23:23
I'm not saying anything else beyond this. I don't want to get into too much trouble see, but I know of know other way to find the person than to ask there name and see if they answer.
I don't know, Kaio-tama. Getting neg-reped is all in a day's work if you want to express your opinions. No one who neg rep me ever left their alias, so that seems to be the way it goes. (The reason it is allowed to be anonymous by the mods is to prevent revenge-reps.)
Back on topic, I am hoping more female viewers watch this show. We need more estrogen around here. Which gender was the original manga author anyway?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 23:26
I don't know, Kaio-tama. Getting neg-reped is all in a day's work if you want to express your opinions. No one who neg rep me ever left their alias, so that seems to be the way it goes. (The reason it is allowed to be anonymous by the mods is to prevent revenge-reps.)
Back on topic, I am hoping more female viewers watch this show. We need more estrogen around here. Which gender was the original manga author anyway?
Well apparently I'm a female so I guess I count sort of if people want to still believe I am a woman. It's probably this darn avatar. Better make a new one.
*puts hand up* Another female going to watch the series. Promo fully convinced me to.
Mirrinus
2007-04-05, 23:31
Well apparently I'm a female so I guess I count sort of if people want to believe I still am a woman. It's probably this darn avatar.
Wait...people actually honestly thought you were female? I thought you were joking when you said that earlier in this thread...
Maybe I take Anime Traps 101 a bit too seriously? Meh...
The creator of Lucky☆Star is male, btw. I believe he's also the creator of Comptiq's mascot character.
Well apparently I'm a female so I guess I count sort of if people want to believe I still am a woman. It's probably this darn avatar.
Oh so you are a member of the superior gender. :heh: :joke:
We look forward to hearing your opinions on how this title truthfully portrays female otaku, which yaoi game you play currrently and what rating would you give the butler cafe that you last visited. :heh:
Whoa! You're actually female. I thought you were a guy. Your writing style looked male to me.
I'm female too and planning to watch the show :D
^ So that's at least 3 females watching this show. =D
Back on topic, I am hoping more female viewers watch this show. We need more estrogen around here.
But why do we need to know who's female and who's male? An opinion is an opinion no matter what gender it originates from.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-05, 23:49
Oh so you are a member of the superior gender. :heh: :joke:
We look forward to hearing your opinions on how this title truthfully portrays female otaku, which yaoi game you play currrently and what rating would you give the butler cafe that you last visited. :heh:
Whoa! You're actually female. I thought you were a guy. Your writing style looked male to me.
Sorry to let you down but that was actually a mistake in the sentence. I actually meant to right "If people want to still believe I am a woman" not "if people want to still believe I am a woman". Please don't hold it against me.
I try very hard not to come across as anything resembling Chauvinsitic though and I don't do so because society expects me to, but because I absolutely postively believe it is digusting, because a) I am very much a socialist in a very conservative family and b)I absolutely cannot stand chauvinism of any kind coming from my side of the so-called gender barrier, frankly it digusts me. I don't like the idea of men predominantly holding power in a lot of positions either and have nothing but support for the idea of Izumi's character. I also don't believe in gender at all, I don't buy it and I don't think it should exist. So it's neat to see Izumi playing games because the way societies set up to discourage such an idea, it isn't happening in real life anytime soon. There's a lot more I want to discuss about a certain aspect of my family, but I feel I may go on a bit of a rant.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-05, 23:59
To the person who keeps contacting me in a certain manner. I'd like it if you'd tell me who you are please.
Wow, that's low. I mean, he or she should show up his or her face. It's probably the same person who repped me anonymously for this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=890558&postcount=297) post.
Ascaloth
2007-04-06, 00:23
*EDITED: Thanks for the warning, Kaioshin* ~ Ascaloth
I think it's come to the point where we should start filing official complaints against this guy, whoever it is.
But why do we need to know who's female and who's male? An opinion is an opinion no matter what gender it originates from.
Your intent is commendable, but gender differences are quite real. ;)
A minority gender's perspective and opinion on something like anime can be quite informative.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 01:00
Your intent is commendable, but gender differences are quite real. ;)
A minority gender's perspective and opinion on something like anime can be quite informative.
Gender differences are socially constructed and therefore do not exist naturally. This was discussed in a core Social Sciences course I took in university. Sex, the biological difference between male and female does occur naturally however. Gender differences are only as real as the society in which they exist makes them. For example in ancient history (actually up until pretty recently in North America in the 1920's) women were not seen as full people and thus were not given votes or social status. Eventually people caught on to the fact that if men and women are the same species than they must both be people. It took them damn long enough though.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-06, 01:02
A minority gender's perspective and opinion on something like anime can be quite informative.
Yay, females are minority!
You deserve a nagging just for saying that! :D (and me too just for echoing it :D)
PS: FYI, female world population is higher than male in most recent estimates ;)
Mirrinus
2007-04-06, 01:04
I actually have a fair amount to say regarding how differences in gender roles, gender capabilities, and gender status are all quite separate and shouldn't be lumped together in a vague term like "gender differences", but I don't think this is the best place to break out in sociological discussion. Unless, of course, Konata spends an episode discussing gender differences in RPGs or something.
Edit: I think Shinova is referring to females being a minority here in the context of people who post in this thread and plan on watching the show.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-06, 01:10
Edit: I think Shinova is referring to females being a minority here in the context of people who post in this thread and plan on watching the show.
Oh, if that's the case, I take it back... Not! Not really. Minority sounds extremely harsh in my opinion, and it should be used in no kind of context involving sociologically self-imposed differences between human beings (such as race and sex). Because, if we say minority, we're actually admitting that such a difference exists in the first place :p
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 01:39
I actually have a fair amount to say regarding how differences in gender roles, gender capabilities, and gender status are all quite separate and shouldn't be lumped together in a vague term like "gender differences", but I don't think this is the best place to break out in sociological discussion. Unless, of course, Konata spends an episode discussing gender differences in RPGs or something.
Edit: I think Shinova is referring to females being a minority here in the context of people who post in this thread and plan on watching the show.
You mean how in traditional RPG's the women always seem to be meek healer types or spell casters who crumple under the blow of a few hits while the men are all tanks and do massive physical damage, but have no healing spells.
Of course if you go by the H-RPG's I've play then the men being tanks still applies, but the women are even more ungodly overpowered (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erikastatsre2.jpg) and often tank, AoE (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thewinduplv1.jpg) spellcast The (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readyaimjw4.jpg) Enemy (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smitethineenemybp2.jpg) To Death (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ouchvx1.jpg), have lots of HP and do respectable physical (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whipitln1.jpg) damage (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=massivedamagexk9.jpg).
Mirrinus
2007-04-06, 01:43
You mean how in traditional RPG's the women always seem to be meek healer types or spell casters who crumple under the blow of a few hits while the men are all tanks and do massive physical damage, but have no healing spells.
Of course if you go by the H-RPG's I've play then the men being tanks still applies, but the women are even more ungodly overpowered (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erikastatsre2.jpg) and often tank, AoE (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thewinduplv1.jpg) spellcast The (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readyaimjw4.jpg) Enemy (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smitethineenemybp2.jpg) To Death (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ouchvx1.jpg), have lots of HP and do respectable physical (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whipitln1.jpg) damage (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=massivedamagexk9.jpg).
Yeah, pretty much. Which makes it all the funnier to find ones that subvert the stereotype.
BTW, I was just reading that link to The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches (http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html) that Zaris posted a while back, and am still chuckling about it...
Edit: corrected the name >_<
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 01:52
Yeah, pretty much. Which makes it all the funnier to find ones that subvert the stereotype.
BTW, I was just reading that link to The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches (http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html) that Ascaloth posted a while back, and am still chuckling about it...
I think I need to read that again. It's classic. I read that a few years back actually.
Ascaloth
2007-04-06, 02:56
Yeah, pretty much. Which makes it all the funnier to find ones that subvert the stereotype.
BTW, I was just reading that link to The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches (http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html) that Ascaloth posted a while back, and am still chuckling about it...
Erm, I didn't post that...
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2007-04-06, 03:56
To the person who keeps contacting me in a certain manner. I'd like it if you'd tell me who you are please.
I've given you negative rep once. If you've gotten negative repped more than once lately, it just means someone else felt you deserved it. You can't "keep" negative repping someone. It works the same way as positive repping. The system won't allow it.
I was tempted to do it before and I didn't. I resisted because I suspected doing so would remove several reputation points, and I wasn't quite prepared to do that at the time. I didn't sign off on it for the reasons Vallen Chaos Valiant mentioned. It just has the potential to start rep wars, and the mods really don't like that. I've outed myself only because you asked.
Now I have a request. Could you please stay on topic? It's getting a little out of hand.
Mirrinus
2007-04-06, 04:04
Erm, I didn't post that...
Oh shoot, my bad, it was Zaris. I got you two confused because of the Nayuki signatures...
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 04:23
I've given you negative rep once. If you've gotten negative repped more than once lately, it just means someone else felt you deserved it. You can't "keep" negative repping someone. It works the same way as positive repping. The system won't allow it.
I was tempted to do it before and I didn't. I resisted because I suspected doing so would remove several reputation points, and I wasn't quite prepared to do that at the time. I didn't sign off on it for the reasons Vallen Chaos Valiant mentioned. It just has the potential to start rep wars, and the mods really don't like that. I've outed myself only because you asked.
Now I have a request. Could you please stay on topic? It's getting a little out of hand.
As soon as people are ready to stop mentioning *** in a thread it will be back on topic. I've been more than ready to return to the topic at hand regarding Lucky Star and possibly some of the Otaku/Gaming aspects of the show, but I always seem to get the flack for my posts being the unintentional trigger of a topic derailment. Everything I've said since has also been a response to somebody else so I don't see why I'm the source of anything. I suppose it encourages the off-topic discussion to continue, but I kind of want to reply to some of these posts. Anyway I was kind of hoping the person might notice and contact me with a PM, but not that everybody would start chiming in on something they don't know all the facts about.
I don't think I specifically mentioned the manner in which I was contacted, but it was anonymous and relating to Lucky Star and I just wished to know the persons identity if possible, that is all. Didn't know how else to do it, but with an announcement in the thread. I've already put one foot over the edge of the cliff and I don't want the other going over. Now that's its over, I would gladly encourage nobody else to discuss this anymore as it is against the rules to go down this road. I'll see if the person contacts me and hopefully that's that please and thank you.
Anyway I've been spending far too much time here and I feel like I'm not helping matters. Somethings changing in me, I'm possibly lightening up a lot faster than I myself can imagine and I haven't been able to express it properly, because its stuff I haven't felt in over 5 years. Anyway, I'm taking a vacation from here for a while to think about some things.
Sorry, continue then people.
Ascaloth
2007-04-06, 04:53
Oh shoot, my bad, it was Zaris. I got you two confused because of the Nayuki signatures...
Make a FE stat list for either me or Zaris, and MAYBE either of us will decide to use it instead....and then you won't have that problem anymore. :p
^ So that's at least 3 females watching this show. =D
...*is a girl*
Are there really that few females who plan on watching this? I tend to naturally assume that there're about an equal amount of males and females watching everything, but that's probably became I'm equally interested in shoujo and shounen, etc. :heh:
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-06, 08:04
...*is a girl*
Are there really that few females who plan on watching this? I tend to naturally assume that there're about an equal amount of males and females watching everything, but that's probably became I'm equally interested in shoujo and shounen, etc. :heh:
One of my friends made the observation that she and other fangirls often avoid internet forums. Instead, they go to series and theme-specifc internet community fansites. She has an account here in animesuki, but couldn't stand the level of arguments that's the norm in a forum and left very quickly.
According to her, she prefers to hang out with like-minded fans, rather than wasting time arguing with people. e.g. She is an AthrunXCagalli shipper, so she goes to a specific net community of AthCaga fanclub for her discussions. (Not that it is for AthCaga; not for any other pairing. It is extremely specific and tailored to the taste of the visitor. The strict mods made sure it stay that way.)
As a guy, I don't really understand her explanations. But I will take her word for it.:heh: Are we like lions after all? Women hunt in packs, while men hunt alone?:heh:
If the inheritent nature of an internet forum is more male-friendly, perhaps that could be why we have less females in animesuki.
Meh. All that stuff is only true to an extent. I guess it kind of gets my goat when people say things like, "Oh, women are more social," or "Oh, men don't know how to deal with emotions." Sure, it might be a general trend, but the variation among men or among women is ultimately much greater than the concrete differences between the sexes.
Would you join a BL forum full of excited fangirls? Probably not. Would a girl without much interest in bishoujo anime join this forum? Maybe not, as it's what tends to be most popular around here. I've also noticed that female posters tend to get shot down a little bit for making comments that go even slightly against the general fanboy drift (Nanoha/Yuuno for instance). It's not really a big deal, but in the long run it doesn't do much to reel the ladies in.
Everyone can comment on the behavior of the people they know. I've been to forums with a lot of females and forums like this one with less (I don't think it'd be as unbalanced as people suspect if we ran a poll in one of the off-topic forums down below, though). Certainly LJ comms tend to be vastly more female than male, but I don't think this says anything in particular about the female psyche... after all, the way LJ comms are run is very similar to the way forums are run, and the ensuing debates can be just as flame-filled and wanky. It's just that people tend to go where like-minded people have already gathered, and that applies as much to men here as women elsewhere.
FireChick
2007-04-06, 08:46
I'm a female and I'll watch it.
"And on today's agenda, we will be covering the mathematical mistakes that Einstein made in his theory of Special Relativity (http://www.relativitychallenge.com/mistakes.htm); after which, there will be a brief review of ANN's latest Buried Treasure entry on Coo from the Distant Seas (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/buried-treasure/2007-04-05) (where dolphins get shot by machine-guns). If time permits, we may even do a quick discussion of Suguru's rant on Cabbage Love (http://suguru-anime.blogspot.com/2007/01/yoakena-insane-rant-full-of-hatred.html).
Are there any questions at this point?"
"Please, good Sir, but isn't this the thread for Lucky Star?"
"Lucky what?"
:topicoff:
More than the past 20 replies are all off-topic! Back to Lucky Star, people!
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Cheers.
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Aunt Haruho meets Yukari-sensei?
As a guy, I don't really understand her explanations. But I will take her word for it.:heh: Are we like lions after all? Women hunt in packs, while men hunt alone?:heh:
Most women tend to stay in small close knit groups that rarely allows outsider to come in (broad generalization). Some guys do it as well but we call em gangsters :heh:
From personal experience, i find that guys can mingle around the groups more easily than girls can but are often less attached to em than girls are. I could be wrong but guys are more drawn to arguements than women are on the forums. (atleast a greater number of posters i argued with are guys)
But back to the topic, i think there would be a lot more girls watching this since it's on a shoujo magazine and deals with girl otaku-ism?
It deals with a girl version of male-otakuism (these aren't exactly fujoshi, lol... they do play eroge and stuff), and it runs in a PC magazine aimed at males, not a shoujo mag. For a clearer depiction of female otakuism it might be better to turn to something like Genshiken... or the latter part of the manga, at any rate.
None of this is a strike against Lucky Star or should prevent it from being watched by females, of course. If it's anything like Azumanga Daioh, it should have a very broad crossover audience, and otaku humor tends to play well with everyone, as long as it isn't mind-numbingly obscure. We did see the opposite happening with Ouran, which had a solid male audience and made heaps of fun of female otaku.
But I'm mega-confused now. So what gender does Kaoishin_sama want to be referred to as? Male or female?
Could this question be answered before going back to Lucky Star? :confused:
"Please, good Sir, but isn't this the thread for Lucky Star?"
"Lucky what?"
Wait! You mean this anime isn't the Shakugan no Shana spinoff, "Lucky☆Shana"?
I've been had!!! :frustrated:
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Originals:
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:x
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If anyone wants a reason behind this series being the best anime/manga ever, then all they need to do is see this.
I wouldn't go that far lol.
I wouldn't go that far lol.
I would, 'cause i have a sense of humor like that.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-06, 13:03
30-second version (http://up.viploader.net/src/viploader14059.wmv.html) of Konata commercial. Link will probably die soon.
30-second version (http://up.viploader.net/src/viploader14059.wmv.html) of Konata commercial. Link will probably die soon.
I just fell even more in love with Kona-chan. I didn't think that was possible.
Daniel E.
2007-04-06, 13:10
Wait! You mean this anime isn't the Shakugan no Shana spinoff, "Lucky☆Shana"?
I've been had!!! :frustrated:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2618/moeren23616yf0.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moeren23616yf0.jpg) http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1702/1169187023749bl3.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1169187023749bl3.jpg) http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5870/1168743490515lk0.th.jpg (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1168743490515lk0.jpg)
She actually looks better with red hair IMHO. :)
She actually looks better with red hair IMHO. :)
....
I didn't hear that. :3
Gender differences are socially constructed and therefore do not exist naturally. This was discussed in a core Social Sciences course I took in university. Sex, the biological difference between male and female does occur naturally however. Gender differences are only as real as the society in which they exist makes them. For example in ancient history (actually up until pretty recently in North America in the 1920's) women were not seen as full people and thus were not given votes or social status. Eventually people caught on to the fact that if men and women are the same species than they must both be people. It took them damn long enough though.
Social sciences should stick to social sciences and not try to give knowledge on what is a biological matter. Do some research on the web, and find articles made by scientists who work in biological and psychological fields. You'll find that there are biological behavioral differences between men and women. The idea that gender differences are socially constructed is just to make people feel more in control of themselves than they actually are.
Men tend to be more aggressive. Fact. Men tend to objectify things more. Fact. Women usually empathize better. Fact. Women tend to have better verbal skills. Fact.
Certainly there are exceptions like all things, but the majority of cases show that men and women tend to follow these patterns. Social constructs were placed to enhance these core biological patterns. Aggressive people tend to gain more power more often,and the fact is there has never been one instance of a human civilization in all of history that did not have male domination of power and status, and while we've taken great steps to even the playing field for both genders, males still dominate society. You may say that modern civilization is more 'advanced' than past ones, but consider that the ancient Romans granted citizenship to any person regardless of color if they worked for it (or got lucky somehow), while America just a couple hundred years ago saw blacks as animals. Or the fact that many Americans today see homosexuals as abnormal, when the ancient Greeks had no problems at all with homosexuality.
You can continue to even the playing field, but if that biological need to be aggressive and drive oneself with reckless abandon, if the motivation doesn't exist it's extremely hard for any person to acquire power and status.
Does all this make me feel good about it? No, but the evidence shows that it's true, and truth is truth, no matter how good or bad it makes one feel. We just have to live with it somehow.
I'm female as well^^ and I'm going to watch it because I'm interested in KyoAni's adaptation since I did not like the manga very much...
I think it's true that females tend to hang-out in their tight-knit fan communities...
E.g: There are more females on livejournal and more males on general anime forums.
I hang out on botih equally, since I am not fixed on any genre at all and I do watch bishoujo anime^^ and I do find female characters moé but I still prefer handsome male characters :p
30-second version (http://up.viploader.net/src/viploader14059.wmv.html) of Konata commercial. Link will probably die soon.
Youtube: 2yZT8uElQCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yZT8uElQCk
-Haru
Haohmaru
2007-04-06, 16:47
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yZT8uElQCk
-Haru
Not available?
Not available?
Just need to wait few mins for video approval.
-Haru
WanderingKnight
2007-04-06, 18:36
Warning: off-topic ranting below.
Does all this make me feel good about it? No, but the evidence shows that it's true, and truth is truth, no matter how good or bad it makes one feel. We just have to live with it somehow.
You do know that you're citing factual sciences, right? And that factual sciences are as inaccurate and sensitive to different interpretations as they go, right? And that no research on factual sciences is definitely true, right? And that they are based in a system of experimentation and corroboration, right? That no number of corroborations, as many as they may be, may serve as a final statement for the universality of any hypothesis, right? You did take your epistemology lessons, right :)?
You see, if you want to take observations from factual sciences, you've gotta have in mind the different approaches on any object of study. There's no definite truth that may be drawn from factual sciences, as good as a biologic research may be. There are lots and lots of different branches in factual sciences, each one taking a different philosophical scope on a single matter.
A way to study the behavior of people is, actually, a study of their behavior based on the environment they've grown up in. You see, if you state that genes determine your personal characteristics, then when you see the behavior of people in China, for example, where people think first as a community and then as an individual, you'd gotta say there's some sort of genetic difference between them and your typical westerner, who thinks first as an individual and then as a community (or maybe, only as an individual :D). Going as far as that would make you, saying it bluntly, a racist. Oh, sorry, does that word sound too rough for your ears? Well, get used to it, because that's where the theory of genes being determinant when it comes to behavior leads to.
The very thought of the universality of the influence of genes in personal characteristics is actually one of the worst shows of the snobbish western self-centering you can find out there. It's part of the self-denial of westerners when it comes to accepting other cultures and their ways. And accepting that other cultures are as human as them.
Now, back on topic:
I've really gotta wonder, is that truly Hirano Aya in the CM? And if she's gonna sound like that, I'll be very, very pleased (and amazed, of course :D).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 23:27
Social sciences should stick to social sciences and not try to give knowledge on what is a biological matter. Do some research on the web, and find articles made by scientists who work in biological and psychological fields. You'll find that there are biological behavioral differences between men and women. The idea that gender differences are socially constructed is just to make people feel more in control of themselves than they actually are.
Men tend to be more aggressive. Fact. Men tend to objectify things more. Fact. Women usually empathize better. Fact. Women tend to have better verbal skills. Fact.
Certainly there are exceptions like all things, but the majority of cases show that men and women tend to follow these patterns. Social constructs were placed to enhance these core biological patterns. Aggressive people tend to gain more power more often,and the fact is there has never been one instance of a human civilization in all of history that did not have male domination of power and status, and while we've taken great steps to even the playing field for both genders, males still dominate society. You may say that modern civilization is more 'advanced' than past ones, but consider that the ancient Romans granted citizenship to any person regardless of color if they worked for it (or got lucky somehow), while America just a couple hundred years ago saw blacks as animals. Or the fact that many Americans today see homosexuals as abnormal, when the ancient Greeks had no problems at all with homosexuality.
You can continue to even the playing field, but if that biological need to be aggressive and drive oneself with reckless abandon, if the motivation doesn't exist it's extremely hard for any person to acquire power and status.
Does all this make me feel good about it? No, but the evidence shows that it's true, and truth is truth, no matter how good or bad it makes one feel. We just have to live with it somehow.
I tooooold you that "Sex" is the biological, but "Gender" is the social aspect, they are separate and distinct matters. All those things you've said apply to documented research dealing with "Gender" not "Sex". Read about it by searching for gender on Wikipedia or look up a Social Sciences paper dealing with the distinction. I was surprised to find out the difference in University myself.
Anyway my short vacation is at an end and I have my answer, and boy is it a great thing to finally know what's been bothering me all this time. People can read about it here (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peaceatlastyo9.jpg)
Regarding Izumi, I always kind of imagined her sounding like a female (human) version of Garfield the Cat. It seems I'm probably going to be right. I doubt we'll here about how Izumi hates mondays, but we will probably get a similiar wit and cynism that Garfield seems to have down to an art.
One more thing. Your Truth is a Truth thing reminded me of something my former Prime Minister once said. This is actually quite funny and I feel it would be a waste not to post a link to it when the opportunity is so ripe so here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU
WanderingKnight
2007-04-06, 23:33
Anyway my short vacation is at an end and I have my answer, and boy is it a great thing to finally know what's been bothering me all this time. People can read about it here
You know what your problem is? You've gotta stop thinking we're all waging a war out here :D. Just be cool and relax, we're all people and nobody is fighting anything ;)
Anyways, whatever was you sorted out in your mind, welcome back (?) :D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-06, 23:56
You know what your problem is? You've gotta stop thinking we're all waging a war out here :D. Just be cool and relax, we're all people and nobody is fighting anything ;)
Anyways, whatever was you sorted out in your mind, welcome back (?) :D
Gomen, hehe. :heh: Thank you, I'm glad to be here for real. I've had a lot of things bothering me about the world for ages and its good to finally have that weight off my shoulders. It all started to turn around on November 7th 2006 if people know the significance of that date. I'm still a bit of an academic though so I will tend to right big long posts, but now they'll be more constructive and less destructive I hope.
I don't know quite what to add to the thread though. It almost seems like there's nothing left to discuss until the show airs. I'm kind of out of ideas here. Well there's that commerical that is now twice as long as the other one and thus offers twice as much insight. Anyone have the feeling it might be a clip from the first episode. Does anyone think its a clip of an even longer segment?
Another Lucky Star trailer
Lucky Star (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xqpKZhFu78)
Cheers.
Daniel E.
2007-04-07, 03:09
Skane, you owe me 2 minutes and 29 seconds of my life. :heh:
mukansa monkey
2007-04-07, 07:54
Removed double-post caused by rampant button-mashing
mukansa monkey
2007-04-07, 07:57
Finally making the time to start posting here. Please to forgive the noob for making in advance posts that are worse than Engrish.
First impression of pictures of Lucky Star: Faces remind me of He Is My Master. I think it's the eyes...
An anime sitting somewhere between AzuDai and Genshiken? I'm there.
Have to admit I don't pay that much attention to which seiyuus are involved in a particular show. Partly because I don't usually read the credits, and partly because it seems like any character I like in an anime, their credits listing on AnimeNfo doesn't show any other characters I like. So IMHO the appropriateness of a seiyuu to a role is usually worth more than that seiyuu's absolute talent.
On the other hand, for many studios my opinion of their previous works is a good predictor of how much I'll like their new stuff. I'm a big fan of Madhouse, their list of shows covers half my DVD collection. Thus I started watching Otogi-Jushi Akazukin, and haven't been disappointed. Mind you I still can't figure out why they did Okusama wa Joshi Kosei, but it's not hard to avoid a show when the summary consists of "Teen girl tries to get her teacher/husband to sleep with her." So it makes sense that a show like Lucky Star is gathering interest based largely on its studio's small but stellar list of productions.
FUMO-FFUU!!! Ponyponypony... :rollaround:
I'm not expecting the animation to be quite on par with SHnY, but it doesn't seem like this show will suffer from less camera movement. I think the storyboarding and voice directing will carry a show like this more than the peaks of visual coolness that it reaches. To rework Kaioshin's words: I'm a "viewer watching for the company that did Haruhi's next project" *because* it's got "zany antics". Right now we're just anticipating based on the studio though, only once it comes out can any meaningful opinion about the show be formed.
So just out of curiosity I took a look at the site for Idolmaster Xenoglossia, and um... owww. *So* wrong. Best hope that KyoAni doesn't pick up Xenoglossia 2, or Kaioshin's head will explode. :twitch: We shall not speak of this again.
I think the reason Hirano looks slightly odd is that her cheeks are unrealistically perky and perfectly shaped. I honestly thought Kaoru's avatar was CG at first. The fish lens effect doesn't help. She's quite pretty though... perhaps her appearance is meant to look a bit anime-ish, for the sake of improving her fan base.
I hereby nominate Kaioshin's full name to be:
Kaioshin [-Sama | -Oneesama] [-KunChanRin] [-Chin | -Oneechin]
Glad to see you've come to a realization that lets you unwind a notch or two. It's probably good for your blood pressure. Was the weight of the world on your shoulders mostly due to the prevalence of moe in recent anime though?
My first thought after watching the promo was WTF?? This weird noise confuses me. But then it sinks in, this show isn't about wham-bang SFX, so why bother making a wham-bang promo? Whatever that sound's supposed to be, it does show good vocal control. What else does it tell us? This show will be made of moe and weird. Works for me. The two purposes of any commercial are to stick in your mind and create a link to the product, it seems to be working here.
Coffee wearing off now, must go.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-07, 14:31
Not so much the prevelance as for quite a while it felt stifling to me. It felt like if I wanted to watch anything post 2004 it was going to have to be a moe anime and their were no other choices for almost 2 years. Now there are a ton of choices as of April so I'm very very happy.
That and I'd been bothered by a lot of real world issues relating to Canada's neighbour to the south and wondering when they were going to balance things out.
The noise you are hearing is very hard to define, but I make it all the time when I'm trying to express that I am witnessing something very bizarre, nonsensical and/or surrealistic.
Kyoto Animation is never getting a license to do Xenoglossia though as it belongs to Bandai and Bandai is a horizontally and vertically integrated company that has. Why give it to another high-quality studio when you have your own high-quality studio to do it for you. Besides I'm not sure Kyoto Animations style would fit Xenoglossia.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-07, 23:07
Grr... I don't know if I'm getting my numbers right, but wasn't this supposed to have aired by today? And still no raws out there?
I'm getting nervous.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-07, 23:25
Grr... I don't know if I'm getting my numbers right, but wasn't this supposed to have aired by today? And still no raws out there?
I'm getting nervous.
It's still 1 hour until it airs and everybody blows themselves away. Everybody who's still alive afterward come back here in one hour and a half and have your Izumi Avatar's and sigs ready to go. I'll be handing out free beer and chips (Unfortunately they will be Ketchup flavoured for those who don't like em). We're going to do this right and from the get go.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-07, 23:39
It's still 1 hour until it airs and everybody blows themselves away.
Think about this, it's Japan we're talking about. It should have aired at 12 PM here.
I think it supposed to air sunday midnight in Japan; that'll be around 10 a.m. CT, same sunday.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-07, 23:58
Hmmm yes the earliest airtime does in fact seem to be 4月8日(日)深夜0:00~0:30放送開始予定 which would be about half an hour ago. News should be rolling in ow.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-08, 00:05
Hmmm yes the earliest airtime does in fact seem to be 4月8日(日)深夜0:00~0:30放送開始予定 which would be about half an hour ago. News should be rolling in ow.
HEY! Japan = 12 hours later. It's 4/8 12 PM right now there!
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 00:14
HEY! Japan = 12 hours later. It's 4/8 12 PM right now there!
In Tokyo it seems to be 2:14 PM on Sunday. Hmmm..... I wouldn't worry people. Just wait it out. It's not like anybody's going to forget about it as its fairly anticipated.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-08, 00:17
HEY! Japan = 12 hours later. It's 4/8 12 PM right now there!
As a general rule, when an anime is suppose to air at midnight, it assumes each day starts when you get out of bed in the morning rather than ticking over at 12. This means you go to work/school at 4/8, then get home at night to watch anime that will still qualify as an anime that starts on 4/8, even if it airs at 1 am and technically then aired on the 9th.
I know, its confusing from a mathematical point of view. But it makes perfect sense for people who actually stay awake at night to watch anime on TV.:heh:
Since I live in Australia, it is far less jarring than if I had lived in the US. At least there is only a few hours difference for me.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 00:22
As a general rule, when an anime is suppose to air at midnight, it assumes each day starts when you get out of bed in the morning rather than ticking over at 12. This means you go to work/school at 4/8, then get home at night to watch anime that will still qualify as an anime that starts on 4/8, even if it airs at 1 am and technically then aired on the 9th.
I know, its confusing from a mathematical point of view. But it makes perfect sense for people who actually stay awake at night to watch anime on TV.:heh:
Since I live in Australia, it is far less jarring than if I had lived in the US. At least there is only a few hours difference for me.
Ah Japanese business culture. Gotta love it. It's 1:21 am here, but even I still know its the next day from an hour and 20 minutes ago. This has the potential to cause mass confusion in trading and business deals I would imagine.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-08, 01:06
Oh crap. Seems I got pwned by Japanese business' schedule :heh:
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-08, 01:26
The first broadcast will be on Chiba TV at 8 pm Sunday. It was moved up from midnight Sunday for this first episode only. This is according to both the (very badly organized) official site and Shoboi Calendar. That means it will start at 7 am New York time, in just under five hours.
Show official sites are inconsistent in how they announce the times of shows. Sometimes they will say "Sunday at 25:30" and sometimes "Sunday at 1:30". In both cases they will likely mean Monday at 01:30h.
Saturday, Hirano Aya was at the opening of the reedited movie version of Kiddy Grade (now that's an example of a company taking advantage of her popularity). Here is a photo (left) from her blog of her in the old dressing room at the movie theatre getting her hair and make-up tidied up (by Sacchan, she says). Photo taken using her cell-phone and the mirror. And another photo of her at the press conference last week (full report with pics) (http://otasuke.new-akiba.com/event/review/1386) as part of the "Rune Angel Brigade", publicizing the Galaxy Angelune live show on May 20 -- just to provide a photo taken by a professional under staged conditions, rather than the candid self-taken cell-phone shots I tend to post.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2451/7001wb0.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2451/7001wb0.jpg) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8462/d26170441f81f64aa6ac4f5qt9.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8462/d26170441f81f64aa6ac4f5qt9.jpg) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6349/ayazn9.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6349/ayazn9.jpg)
For good measure, I just added a third pic: two publicity shots for Death Note, taken a couple of weeks ago.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 01:58
The first broadcast will be on Chiba TV at 8 pm Sunday. It was moved up from midnight Sunday for this first episode only. This is according to both the (very badly organized) official site and Shoboi Calendar. That means it will start at 7 am New York time, in just under five hours.
Show official sites are inconsistent in how they announce the times of shows. Sometimes they will say "Sunday at 25:30" and sometimes "Sunday at 1:30". In both cases they will likely mean Monday at 01:30h.
Saturday, Hirano Aya was at the opening of the reedited movie version of Kiddy Grade (now that's an example of a company taking advantage of her popularity). Here is a photo from her blog of her in the old dressing room at the movie theatre getting her hair and make-up tidied up (by Sacchan, she says). Photo taken using her cell-phone and the mirror. And another photo of her at the press conference last week (full report with pics) (http://otasuke.new-akiba.com/event/review/1386) as part of the "Rune Angel Brigade", publicizing the Galaxy Angelune live show on May 20 -- just to provide a photo taken by a professional under staged conditions, rather than the candid self-taken cell-phone shots I tend to post.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2451/7001wb0.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2451/7001wb0.jpg) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8462/d26170441f81f64aa6ac4f5qt9.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8462/d26170441f81f64aa6ac4f5qt9.jpg) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6349/ayazn9.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6349/ayazn9.jpg)
For good measure, I just added a third pic: two publicity shots for Death Note, taken a couple of weeks ago.
In the full report thing the last set of pics sure makes it seem like all of them are really ecstatic to be there. "Here we are again.... man I don't even know these people....ooh time to smile for the camera. Darn I hope I got rid of that grimace in time for the flash. Oh Shoot I hope they cut that from the slideshow!" Sarcasm aside, the lifestyle seems like far more work than I would think japanese society should demand of its idols. I think even North America allows more privacy and personal time for its A-List movie stars.
Does anyone else notice that Aya Hirano kind of has man-hands too, or at least her arms kind of look like man arms. Whoa is that the Ideon just chilling with all the girly stuff to the left of that page... it is, hold on a sec. Holy crap that's expensive, it's even more expensive than that LE Haruhi Bunny kit. That is so cool it comes with a Light Up Ideon Gun and Ideon Sword and Buff Clan units.
Ahem sorry, my inner child was acting up again, okay, anyway when exactly is 25:30, is that like metric time, or sub-space time, perhaps even borrowed or missing time as a result of the universe expanding faster and faster or some sort of conspiracy theory? You know what, don't answer that actually, I don't think I want to know what's going on really.
Lucky Star should start by now. Past noon in europe, past 8PM in Japan.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-08, 05:54
Lucky Star should start by now. Past noon in europe, past 8PM in Japan.
According to 2chan, still ten minutes to go or abouts.;)
EDIT: the show before it just finished.
EDIT2: There is dancing!!! Okay, I need confirmation since I only have a few screenshots, but I think KyoAni might have began parodying itself...:heh: :eyespin: :twitch:
Can you link me to the 2ch thread please?
check your pm.
According to 2chan, still ten minutes to go or abouts.;)
EDIT: the show before it just finished.
EDIT2: There is dancing!!! Okay, I need confirmation since I only have a few screenshots, but I think KyoAni might have began parodying itself...:heh: :eyespin: :twitch:
Can you link me to the 2ch thread please?
EDIT:
Thank you.
EDIT 2:
From the screencaps that were posted, it does have the Azumanga Daioh flavor. Now we gotta see it in motion to confirm it.
Just when I was missing that kind of slice of life/comedy highschool anime.
Edit 3: Holy shit! Guile! Maybe in a still frame but it is Guile!!!
Some screencaps from 2chan:
EDIT2: There is dancing!!! Okay, I need confirmation since I only have a few screenshots, but I think KyoAni might have began parodying itself...:heh: :eyespin: :twitch:
"Is this some dancing anime?" (4chan reference)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2573/11760300399633622kv7.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11760300399633622kv7.jpg) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1165/11760300358990196mz3.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11760300358990196mz3.jpg) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8995/11760300504965caamc4.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11760300504965caamc4.jpg) http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3212/1176030088847d02btc0.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176030088847d02btc0.jpg)
Edit 3: Holy shit! Guile! Maybe in a still frame but it is Guile!!!
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3495/117603117259372ccps0.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=117603117259372ccps0.jpg)
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Those are real (seems so...)? It's not midnight yet in Japan... :confused:
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Those are real (seems so...)? It's not midnight yet in Japan... :confused:
GMT+1 (your timezone I guess) +8 hours.
It's supposed to air at 8:30PM, last time I checked the airing schedule.
Nightengale
2007-04-08, 07:50
Moetron (http://www.moetron.com/2007/04/08/lucky%E2%98%86star-oped-videos/) has the OP uploaded...and ED soon.
Well, the OP animation is vibrant (( didn't like the CG poms though, looked too much like those decoration reflective colour papers )) and while I didn't like the overly catchy song, the timing of it was good as well, but the entire OP reeks heavily of Haruhi's ED. Gee? I wonder why? :P
Chaos2Frozen
2007-04-08, 08:04
...but the entire OP reeks heavily of Haruhi's ED. Gee? I wonder why? :P
If it works once, it'll work again :)
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 08:08
Moetron (http://www.moetron.com/2007/04/08/lucky%E2%98%86star-oped-videos/) has the OP uploaded...and ED soon.
Well, the OP animation is vibrant (( didn't like the CG poms though, looked too much like those decoration reflective colour papers )) and while I didn't like the overly catchy song, the timing of it was good as well, but the entire OP reeks heavily of Haruhi's ED. Gee? I wonder why? :P
:twitch:
Weeeeeell......that was certainly interesting. :heh:
Although I have to admit, KyoAni really did surprise me again. As I expected, the character designs aren't going to be record-breakers in any sense of the word......but was that the KyoAni-trademark hyper-sakuga animation quality we're seeing in the backgrounds of the OP? If this is their idea of taking a 'break'....... :heh:
And the dance....*shivers*
What was the name of the OP song? Because I have a very bad feeling that soon, there will be another group of Rakisuta cos-dancers competing with the HHY cos-dancers...... :uhoh:
Anyway, KyoAni's managed to make me change my mind this time. Instead of waiting for the positive blurbs, I think I'll start following this one as well. But of course, I will not be hanging onto this the way I hung onto Kanon; that's going to have to wait until the season for CLANNAD rolls around. ;)
Heh, I liiiiiiike this OP.
just to make things clear. does the series air exactly at midnight? then there are still 2 hours to go. it is around 10 pm right now in Japan.
Also Japan doesnt observe daylight saving time. if your not in asia that should be taken into account when calculating the time difference.
just to make things clear. does the series air exactly at midnight? then there are still 2 hours to go. it is around 10 pm right now in Japan.
Also Japan doesnt observe daylight saving time. if your not in asia that should be taken into account when calculating the time difference.
It already aired.
チバテレビ 放送開始予定
４月８日（日） 深夜０：００～０：３０
放送日時変更
第１回４月８日(日)２０：００～２０：３０
※４時間繰り上げ放送になります
第３回４月２２日(日)２０：００～２０：３０
※４時間繰り上げ放送になります
Apparently, it was first scheduled for midnight, then it moved to another timeslot.
Just posting because I despise KyoAni being called sakuga. C'mon, nothing about that opening was really worthy of that title, uninspired camera management, boring well-produced but artistically average animation with a motion management made of a good number of inbetweeners with no key-sakkan behind them... I guess I just really dislike this production style and greatly prefer the freedom gave by most other studios in the visuals to each individual as I feel there's just no sense of anything here. The song seals the deal of me liking the opening, manufactured "catchy" J-Pop isn't what I enjoy.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-08, 08:19
just to make things clear. does the series air exactly at midnight? then there are still 2 hours to go. it is around 10 pm right now in Japan.
Also Japan doesnt observe daylight saving time. if your not in asia that should be taken into account when calculating the time difference.
Ep 1 is aired earlier as a special event. The airing would be later at night from next week onwards.
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 08:25
Just posting because I despise KyoAni being called sakuga. C'mon, nothing about that opening was really worthy of that title, uninspired camera management, boring well-produced but artistically average animation with a motion management made of a good number of inbetweeners with no key-sakkan behind them... I guess I just really dislike this production style and greatly prefer the freedom gave by most other studios in the visuals to each individual as I feel there's just no sense of anything here. The song seals the deal of me liking the opening, manufactured "catchy" J-Pop isn't what I enjoy.
In other words, you're just posting here to troll. In that case, I have only two words for you: Go away.
And I'm not saying everything about that OP was sakuga; but the shots of the night sky definitely was. At least, it looks that way to me from the Youtube video, although I can't really say that it'll look just as I expected if I were actually seeing it in its best quality.
I liked the OP too. :D
just to make things clear. does the series air exactly at midnight? then there are still 2 hours to go. it is around 10 pm right now in Japan.
Also Japan doesnt observe daylight saving time. if your not in asia that should be taken into account when calculating the time difference.
Well here is the copy and paste of the showtimes from Moon Phase (http://www.moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html) for 4/8.
チバテレビ : 04/08と04/22は20:00～
テレ玉 : 04/08 25:30～
RKK熊本放送 : 04/08 26:20～（04/08 : 26:45～ / 04/14 : 26:40～）
I'm a little late again. Sloooooow typing skills. :heh:
Also, here's a link (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_JP.aspx) to Japan's current time.
darkchibi07
2007-04-08, 08:42
Opening sequence........:twitch:
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:twitch:
/dances convulsively
I showed it to my loli sister.
She want to learn the choregraphy. Just like for Hare Hare Yukai.
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 08:44
Oh....gawd.....I think I'm starting to get addicted to the Rakisuta OP dance...... >_<
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-08, 08:45
Oh....gawd.....I think I'm starting to get addicted to the Rakisuta OP dance...... >_<
Here we go again... Youtube better be prepared for the flood of wanabe-dancers in the next week or so.:heh:
Yep, that OP is addictive. I liked the cheeleading squad too as well as the line dancers. :)
philip72
2007-04-08, 09:01
I didn't think much could beat Hare Hare Yukai, but that OP is pure win.
Is Kyoani ever gonna fail on anything, ever? They're like the gods of anime.
Amazing! KyoAni are the best!!
Best OP evah!
WanderingKnight
2007-04-08, 09:07
NOOOOO!!! IT'S HARE HARE YUKAI ALL OVER AGAIN!!
Countdown till people start parodying this.
PS: Looks kind of hard to parody, though.
Hahaha. I can see this being popular enough once fansubs are released for a move of discussion to a dedicated series forum.
Cai Calamigarde
2007-04-08, 09:17
:) Cute, and nice...
but, I don wanna see this danced by gundam robos again :heh:
Part of me wants to say "No! Don't just do another dance to piggyback on the success of Hare Hare Yukai! Make up something even craaaazier!"
But it's such a cool OP... :heh:
philip72
2007-04-08, 09:27
Looks kind of hard to parody, though.
Yeah, without a rice paddy to hop in or a temple to saunter through, it wouldn't be the same.
Of course, that won't stop thousands from trying.
(I could do the part of the guy behind the telephone pole pretty easily I imagine though). ;)
about earlier.
Ah i see, thanks for the info
WanderingKnight
2007-04-08, 09:35
Raw's out.
Yeah, and it's a friggin peer war zone. Can't believe I'm 30 minutes away from it, and that in 20 minutes I have to leave for an Easter lunch at my dad's, and I'm not gonna be back till late in the afternoon.
Damn you Jesus!
Well... that was certainly an energetic OP, but the song isn't really catching my attention. :heh:
Natch.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-08, 09:55
I just took a peek at the uncompleted raw. The first gag is the same first gag from the manga. And gosh, KyoAni's animation of it is freaking sakuga, no matter what people say.
And now I leave! DAMN YOU JESUS, YOU JUST CHOSE TO DIE THIS WEEKEND!!
Yeah, and it's a friggin peer war zone. Can't believe I'm 30 minutes away from it, and that in 20 minutes I have to leave for an Easter lunch at my dad's, and I'm not gonna be back till late in the afternoon.
Damn you Jesus!
But I only do bittorrent. ;) It may be easier this way.
philip72
2007-04-08, 10:03
Here is the OP, to sate you all while waiting for the raw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEFUY7unks
Shiori-chan
2007-04-08, 10:05
I wanna know this dance yay :D
and I wanna learn japanese becuz i always need to wait for the subs :(
konstargirl
2007-04-08, 10:07
らき☆すた
Lucky☆Star
A moe~ anime :D
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5853/rakisutabc2.jpg
Official anime site:
http://www.lucky-ch.com/
I was really hoping for this to get an anime >.< moe~ moe~ :P
らき☆すた
Lucky☆Star
Broadcast: Spring 2007
Based on a 4-panel manga thats serialized in the bishoujo magazine Comptiq.
For now there are 4 volumes released of this manga.
Here are the covers:
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6703/vol1iq8.jpg http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9708/200505000116wu0.jpg http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/637/200604000037am2.jpg http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8315/200604000038sf8.jpg
Genre: Seinen, Comedy
The anime sounds interesting. Wonder whats its about.
I'm pretty sure we all do. It's just it's way too complicated for any of us to learn without a sizeably gigantic heap of training.
(Edit: This is addressing Mysunie's post at the top of the page, not the post directly above mine)
Okay, okay... looks like I need to expand my vocabulary again. What do you guys mean by "sakuga quality"?
Eh?
Okay, okay... looks like I need to expand my vocabulary again. What do you guys mean by "sakuga quality"?
Eh?
This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0
And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.
Klashikari
2007-04-08, 10:22
it is kinda weird to compare action good sakuga quality, with only a youtube poor quality video of a OP...
actually, i feel the animation and the draw style / contents of the OP fits pretty well with the characters personality and themes of the show...
meh, sounds like it is more a conflict of tastes than really a problem of quality here.
mist2123
2007-04-08, 10:23
moe!!!!!!!!!! i think i need the HD raw (if there is one)
it is kinda weird to compare action good sakuga quality, with only a youtube poor quality video of a OP...
actually, i feel the animation and the draw style / contents of the OP fits pretty well with the characters personality and themes of the show...
meh, sounds like it is more a conflict of tastes than really a problem of quality here.
Slice of life sakuga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p20_N1czwKM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqBxIM29Q
This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0
And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.
Erm... I wasn't asking for video links. I was asking for an explanation on the meaning of "sakuga quality". Still, after googling around (and ironically, this thread was number one :heh:), it seems AnimeSuki already has a post that explains the meaning (and "sakkan" as well).
Link (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=556937&postcount=32)
Cheers.
Cai Calamigarde
2007-04-08, 10:33
Screencaps and opening from Random Curiosity;
A big "thank you" to Omni for blogging... THANKS
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/04/08/lucky-star-01/
Oh my. The OP has me sold.
I just picture some meeting at Kyoto Animation. Head of Animation stands up and starts to speak.
"Right lads, people went nuts over Hare Hare Yukai. Let's go one better, OK?"
Cries of "BANZAI!" from animation team.
(mutters into drink) "At least then they might shut up about us doing this instead of Haruhi 2..."
Looking forward to the subs. I'm sure there will be many.
Okay, okay... looks like I need to expand my vocabulary again. What do you guys mean by "sakuga quality"?
Eh?
Well, here's wao's definition (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=556937&postcount=32) of it. So combining it with those video examples may help.
Sloooooow typing response again. :heh:
Asrialys
2007-04-08, 10:39
My mouse has a chronic clicking problem. It won't stop pressing play on the OP video...
mist2123
2007-04-08, 10:43
yep the OP video is addicting
Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.
Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.
What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.
Lol, there's a real damper. Well, thanks for that warning, I guess.
Well, here's wao's definition (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=556937&postcount=32) of it. So combining it with those video examples may help.
:heh: Coincidentally, I just linked to it in my previous post. :heh: From what I gather, "sakuga quality" has a lot to do with animation consistency which in case, KyoAni oozes it in spades. The anti-thesis studio is probably GONZO where their "animation style" and "character animation consistency" regularly mutates every 3rd episode or so (if not more frequently).
Cabbage Love of course, is probably the current poster series for low "sakuga quality". :heh:
In short, one doesn't need to worry much (if at all) about low "sakuga quality" from KyoAni. :) Other good studios that I can think of (when it comes to this matter) include J.C. STAFF and BONES.
Cheers.
Omniscient
2007-04-08, 10:48
Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.
Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.
What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.
I agree with Mentar 100% on this. It was amusing to watch, but I didn't feel the first episode was that great overall because the humor really wasn't there for me.
Kisuke06
2007-04-08, 10:49
Great OP! Not only the music is addicting but the OP itself is very good! :D
I just picture some meeting at Kyoto Animation. Head of Animation stands up and starts to speak.
"Right lads, people went nuts over Hare Hare Yukai. Let's go one better, OK?"
Cries of "BANZAI!" from animation team.
(mutters into drink) "At least then they might shut up about us doing this instead of Haruhi 2..."
Oh shit. It could be true.
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 10:52
This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0
And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.
Slice of life sakuga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p20_N1czwKM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqBxIM29Q
KyoAni, unknown. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry. Instead, I'll give you this.
Kyo-Ani
Abbreviation for the anime production studio Kyoto Animation. Obviously, the name comes from because that they are located in Kyoto.
They started off as a finalization touch up studio for Mushi-Pro. However, as their production values increased, they became a gross-uke (a secondary genga studio responsible to make several episodes at the request of a larger company). Their high quality job began to be noticed by major studios such as Shin-ei, Sunrise, and Pierrot. Their quality was so high that the major studios actually reshuffled some episodes to match Kyo-Ani's schedules so they could get a very important episode that is worthy of a high quality animation.
Their major breakthrough came when they were given the entire anime production rights for "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu." Many fans had its doubts, especially when they knew how GONZO screwed up the first "Full Metal Panic!", let alone having a company that not many people (other than people outside of the industry) knew about. However, when the box was opened, the beautiful OP sequence and vivid colors of the animation substantially increased Kyo-Ani's name as a "high quality animation studio." When they pulled off "AIR" with godly sakuga quality of flowing hairs and masterful storyline true to the original story, Kyo-Ani was established as a reputable anime production studio.
Since then, they were given "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu," and currently makes "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu." This autumn, they will release the remake of "Kanon," which is highly rumored that Baba CEO of Key/VisualArt's personally requested to Kyo-Ani. Gatoh Shoji, the author of "Full Metal Panic," also has a large preference of Kyo-Ani's production quality that it is highly expected that other "Full Metal Panic!" novels will become animated through Kyo-Ani as well. Kyo-Ani has established itself as a respected company in the tough world of anime production companies; so much that once fans learn that a certain title will be made by Kyo-Ani, they all sigh in relief and praise that the title was "worthy of being animated by the gods at Kyo-Ani."
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911&page=2
A troll you are, so troll I call you. And it looks like you're behind the times, troll.
And just to rub this into your trollish face,
Kanon (2006) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DgI9vKvfp8U)
AIR (TV) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=suoWsN2rTGw)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Episode 2, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bc8UFqTF6rI)
That is all. Ascaloth, out.
Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.
Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.
What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.
I agree with Mentar 100% on this. It was amusing to watch, but I didn't feel the first episode was that great overall because the humor really wasn't there for me.
Aye. I did "preach" in this thread beforehand to warn people not to expect to the third impact or something. :heh: Lucky Star is most probably KyoAni's way of having some light-hearted fun before they get back to their "more serious" projects. :heh:
Natch.
:heh: Coincidentally, I just linked to it in my previous post. :heh: From what I gather, "sakuga quality" has a lot to do with animation consistency which in case, KyoAni oozes it in spades. The anti-thesis studio is probably GONZO where their "animation style" and "character animation consistency" regularly mutates every 3rd episode or so (if not more frequently).
Cabbage Love of course, is probably the current poster series for low "sakuga quality". :heh:
In short, one doesn't need to worry much (if at all) about low "sakuga quality" from KyoAni. :) Other good studios that I can think of (when it comes to this matter) include J.C. STAFF and BONES.
Cheers.
That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
I'm sorry, but if the "humour isn't there" then that has nothing to do with KyoAni. They're an *animation* studio, not the writers or directors.
KyoAni, unknown. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry. Instead, I'll give you this.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29911&page=2
A troll you are, so troll I call you. And it looks like you're behind the times, troll.
And just to rub this into your trollish face,
Kanon (2006) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DgI9vKvfp8U)
AIR (TV) Episode 1, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=suoWsN2rTGw)
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu Episode 2, animated by Kyoto Animation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bc8UFqTF6rI)
That is all. Ascaloth, out.
I've watched them three, thank you. And I wasn't talking about KyoAni being unknown but their animation directors. My sakuga definition is probably different to the one you're talking about, wao herself mentioned the ambiguity of the term and I'm going by Catsuka's videos definition.
Unearthly
2007-04-08, 11:01
Yeah, I'll admit this wasn't quite what I was expecting. Although I might have missed some of the jokes, there are just some parts, like...
How they talked about how to eat food for like what, 8 minutes of the anime? Sheesh
But it was still worth watching. Definately better than some of the other shows I've watched so far (Touka Gettan?). At the least I'll be checking out the next eps as they come out.
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 11:01
That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
And of course, the troll knows he can't beat me in a straight-out debate, so he chooses to ignore me altogether. Just like the ones before.
And even so, his words are false where KyoAni is concerned; those of us who are more familiar with KyoAni's previous works can see that for ourselves.
In other words, I've done my job, so now I'm going to bed. Oyasumi, minna-wa.
Ascaloth
2007-04-08, 11:04
I've watched them three, thank you. And I wasn't talking about KyoAni being unknown but their animation directors. My sakuga definition is probably different to the one you're talking about, wao herself mentioned the ambiguity of the term and I'm going by Catsuka's videos definition.
This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhGTCiBg9mk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_g3UVuJ7GpY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QAcW_Xh6XQs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GELrsEZ5Ij0
And KyoAni isn't sakuga, can you anime a single sakkan behind their works? They're unknown because all they do is insert a number of inbetween frames that still don't show anything behind them but an uninspired motion. But I guess that in this forum, I'm the only one to think this, so I'll stop this silly debate now and let you keep calling Lucky Star as sakuga as you want to.
So, you're going with one definition. And, what you're basically saying that whoever doesn't follow your view of what the term 'sakuga' is, is absolutely wrong.
"Are you then too a tyrant, whose wishes override the opinions of the majority?" ~ Sheeana, Hunters of Dune
In other words, that still makes you a troll. That is all.
Hmmm. Definitely potential there in this show, it's just being wasted somewhat. I look forward to more of it.
mist2123
2007-04-08, 11:06
WTF the song is so fast i cant understand it. is there reallly haruhi season 2 ?
That's not entirely true but not false for that matter. The term is probably really ambiguous as it is, my definition is probably more ad-hoc to the second one wao mentioned, as it is less about consistency, in fact I believe that in a way it limit the in individual animators, which doesn't matters to me at all and more about the movement-style itself.
Hmm... but KyoAni is quite well-famed for their movement-style too. Maybe not to the extent of Gainax's famous fluidity (now showcased in Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann), but they are notable for scenes such as their fights in "Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid", the concert in "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu", the... "alive(?)" background in "Air(TV)", the break-neck motion in "Fumoffu!", the snow in "Kanon(2006)", etc...
The thing is, KyoAni is fully capable of making their anime "come alive". The way they animate it, it doesn't seem like "static frames" for lack of a better wording.
Maybe you don't share this opinion, and indeed, everybody's mileage will vary; so I will have to disagree with you on this one.
Cheers.
Cogwheim
2007-04-08, 11:10
Calm down, prospective fanboys. This is a 4-koma, animated. KyoAni didn't add in continuity between the stories, nor did they have very many crazy references and gags a la shows like Pani Poni Dash!, Azumanga Daiou, or even Negima?!. It wasn't that funny, nor that entertaining and attention-grabbing in general. Don't let the OP alone persuade you.
Which is why I said, simply keep calling KyoAni's creations sakuga, I just don't agree with that view and became an idiot in trying to make my point of view come across :heh: . I still don't really dislike the studio's visual style, Kanon and Air may be really plastic but Haruhi was consistent and the animation didn't betrayed anything at all as did TSR, I guess that's enough. Most of my complains come from people calling KyoAni the gods or being on a whole different level, something I accept people believing but not claiming as truth.
philip72
2007-04-08, 11:18
Well the first ep. seems to have stuck fairly close to the 4koma.
Is it worthy of the great KyoAni name? I guess I'll have to see the next few eps. before I make that call.
The OP has now been named : "I Buy Sausage".
Ascaloth is on the rampage again. :heh: At least his post length is decreasing now. ;)
Back away from the keyboard. Take a deep breath and count to '10'. ;)
Have some more caps.
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/Untitledadd.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/Untitledadd.jpg)
I really have nothing to say that hasn't already been said. Wasn't a fan of the comics, and the show added pretty much little to no energy (or even a sense of delivery) to the jokes... so... draw your own conclusions.
Preliminary Thoughts on Ep01:
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For the people who are expecting Air(TV) quality backgrounds, STOP. Breathe in, breathe out; and count to ten. As I predicted waaaay back then, it would seem that the majority of KyoAni's animators are now in the Bahamas or something.
The OP aside, the animation is extremely simplistic. It is very consistent, but very, very basic. You are not going to see Kanon's level of snow here. Heck, you are not even going to see Azumanga Daioh's level of animation detail. :p
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I found the recounting of the foreigner to be the most amusing part. :heh:
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As with the source material, I felt that the humour revolving around the pastry was... lacking. I doubt this is due to cultural differences. :heh:
More thoughts when the fansubs come out.
Cheers.
Unimpressive. Then again, I rarely like 4koma shows and I wasn't a fan of the source material to begin with. Why anyone thought KyoAni would make a difference, I'm not really sure...
I am going to join Mentar and Omni in the "Meh, it wasn't that funny" crowd. Most of the funny stuff was short while the sketches were then drawn out and got rather boring. That first sketch was stretched out to painful lengths. (Note: I watched it with flying subtitles and the japanese weren't finding that one funny either.)
Edit: The op animation is still pretty awesome even without any super backgrounds.
Preliminary Thoughts on Ep01:
---- ----
For the people who are expecting Air(TV) quality backgrounds, STOP. Breathe in, breathe out; and count to ten. As I predicted waaaay back then, it would seem that the majority of KyoAni's animators are now in the Bahamas or something.
The OP aside, the animation is extremely simplistic. It is very consistent, but very, very basic. You are not going to see Kanon's level of snow here. Heck, you are not even going to see Azumanga Daioh's level of animation detail. :p
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I found the recounting of the foreigner to be the most amusing part. :heh:
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As with the source material, I felt that the humour revolving around the pastry was... lacking. I doubt this is due to cultural differences. :heh:
More thoughts when the fansubs come out.
Cheers.
I guess it is something to be expected from an in-between project (I meant as a one between two big projects like the two Key games adaptations).
Well, the opening owned, that is clear. But such dialogue heavy series, with little or no action I must wait for fansubs before making any judgements...
I knew from pictures that the animation will be very simplified (counting on that CLANNAD will feature their suberb animation again), so nothing to complaint.
*starts waiting for subs*
I guess it is something to be expected from an in-between project (I meant as a one between two big projects like the two Key games adaptations).
Take your keyfandom and get off the non-existant high horse. I am decently sure that every project is "big" to them since they put this much work into each one and only do one at a time. (I will subnote this too with that their next key project is considered minor outside of keyfans.)
Asrialys
2007-04-08, 11:56
"Big" or not, if they're gonna do something, might as well make it look good, right?
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-08, 12:01
I enjoyed the show a lot, even though the dialogue-heavy nature of the humor meant that I missed part of it. It gave me a good feeling, and the half-hour seemed to fly by for me. I was impressed by all the voices, especially Endou Aya with the Gotou Yuuko voice as Miyuki (glasses). And I thought Hirano Aya nailed a voice for Konata and did some great things, including the rich slurping eating early in the show.
I loved the animation, particularly the hands. Less detail than Kanon, sure. But they did some darn good things. And some of the movements in the OP just gave me chills. Why shouldn't Yamamoto Yutaka do another version of something that worked so well? This one may be even better.
But I think AS and 2channel are proving Skane's point that some people will be surprised that this does not look like the KyoAni they know and love. Opinion seems to be running heavily negative over there, mainly because of the simple animation/backgrounds and because it isn't funny enough for their taste. I agree with one positive poster there who said that if you don't like this kind of humor in the comic, you won't like it in the show. I should correct that a bit: I like it better in the anime than I have so far in the comic. The voices bring it life.
And because it's so true, I will repeat that "sense of humor" is a slippery thing. The things I find hilarious others might not enjoy at all, and vice-versa. But this show is not hilarious, more like continuously amusing. It's not just gag humor, but atmosphere humor.
I would rephrase one of Skane's points. I don't see this as KyoAni taking a break, more like trying to produce something that requires fewer staff so as to make more money on it and have staff left to get to work on other shows, while still maintaining quality. Seems like an honorable goal to me. And they seem to be achieving the quality part, as I see it.
Humor is a sketchy thing. But I've always thought it was kind of silly the amount of hype this show was getting, not because of the source material, but because of who was animating it. Well, it's based on 4koma so I wasn't expecting anything ground breaking animation-wise...
mist2123
2007-04-08, 12:07
when i was doing my HW and watching the show its so funny that i didnt even answer a single question :(
But this show is not hilarious, more like continuously amusing.
Wow, not only does this accurately describe my opinion of Lucky Star, it also accurately describes my opinion of Azumanga Daioh.
I feel the same way about AzuDai. So I'm actually not going into this expecting to laugh out loud (anime comedy rarely does it for me anyway). If it makes me smile, that's good enough.
Humor is a sketchy thing.
QFT.
An extreme example, I know a friend who does laugh at Holocaust-related jokes in 4chan, I simply cannot stomach them.
On a added note, I simply cannot laugh at slapstick comedy in anime (I can smile but cannot burst into fits of laughter).
Well, the opening owned, that is clear. But such dialogue heavy series, with little or no action I must wait for fansubs before making any judgements...
I knew from pictures that the animation will be very simplified (counting on that CLANNAD will feature their suberb animation again), so nothing to complaint.
*starts waiting for subs*
:heh: same here either... I will wait for the subs before making a comment....
the only comment so far I had was the sausage is nice... I mean the op...;) (yeah it's nice the beat oh... Pwnage) :)
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 12:19
Seems like the opening is more popular than the show.
Seriously though, I think I'll like this. I don't know why Guile is fighting Izumi, but it seems like it should be...intriiiiiiiiguing. Oh and Kyoto Animation not being up to par on animation, well of course, they're just trying to transfer the style of the 4Koma. 2Chan basically disappointed themselves I think by having unrealistic expecations for a series that anyone could tell is not meant to change the world. Kyoto Animation targeted moe fans, now its time to target fans of bizarre humour (and I suppose with a touch of moe, but eh). I think 2Chan, Key fans, etc. need to get over that fact that this one isn't for them this time.
Oh and the opening is Psycho and caused me to have a shit eating grin on my face as I couldn't understand what was going on with the processed chipmunk style hyper voices. I think I get Izumi's message in the trailer now and that is "this will probably be you as you watch this show and try to figure out just what the hell's going on". Also hopefully people don't take the opening and with it all over across the internet (Well I know 2chan probably or somebody probably will) and we can enjoy the series without that overshadowing the gags at every turn.
I guess I'll get the most enjoyment out of this as I never had high expecations to begin with from Kyoto Animation. I start fresh with each new project at a medium level of anticipation, meaning I know its coming, but I generally don't feel either overly negative or overly positive about who's doing it, what is about and who's in it.
I'll be waiting for the subs too.
It's not as frantic as I expected, but I can't say I didn't like it because it was heavy on dialogue and my japanese is below 10%, so I have no way to tell.
FireChick
2007-04-08, 12:25
I am currently uploading the opening song on YouTube. Is there an ending song to Lucky Star? I didn't see it on http://randomc.animeblogger.net by any chance.:confused:
Not this episode, and not entirely certain if there will be one at all.
Heh watched the first episode, I won't follow as they copy the humor from the manga and I found that as unfunny as unaltered Garfield strips, I won't call it bad as I enjoy Space Moose and most people hate it, but the animation isn't really that bad. Unlike the shiny opening the series sports a much more interesting than Kanon or Air visual style due to it's simplistic minimal nature, the softer color palette and a natural motion management. While it may be nothing impressive it at least isn't jarring like the usual super-plastic KyoAni Key adaptations. If the comedy, concept and direction appealed to me I'll be glad to follow it.
FireChick
2007-04-08, 12:27
Lucky Star OP is now on Youtube! Just finished uploading it!:) ;) :D
philip72
2007-04-08, 12:28
But I think AS and 2channel are proving Skane's point that some people will be surprised that this does not look like the KyoAni they know and love.
The first things that comes to many peoples minds when Kyoani is mentioned, are Key characters and SHnY.
A 4koma based anime that sticks to it's source, has surprised (negatively) a lot of devotee's with the difference between this and previous Kyoani material.
The humor being different than a lot of guffaw/zany N.A. type humor, will have an initial negative effect as well.
However, I think once the initial shock and rounds of denunciation subside, this show will garner a substantial fanbase.
The subtle humor of this anime will probably difficult to understand for non-Japanese. To me, it made me chuckle with "ah, yes yes, that's so true~ wwww" since the talk about yakitori & yakiniku are part of my own daily life.
As for this being KyoAni - if one knows their other works that they did as secondary genga studios, this is on par with them (i.e.: Crayon Shinchan, etc.)
The OP was once again, fantastic; the cheerleading sequence made me smile. However, as a fan of old anime and tokusatsu SFX, I actually loved the simple karaoke ED of Konata singing Kyodain. gizawarasu~ wwww
Also, as I have read through this thread, people are mistaken on their usage of "sakuga." Sakuga is not an adjective, it is a noun. Hence, using it in the term of "sakuga quality" is incorrect. If you want to state how good that sakuga is, it needs to be used with an adjective in front of it:
x sakuga quality (sakuga is not an adjective)
o great sakuga quality (adjective: great)
o piss-poor sakuga quality (adjective: piss-poor)
I think people are also using "sakuga quality" not with sakuga as an adjective, but as shorthand for "the quality of the sakuga." Thanks for the clarification, however.
Catchy opening, but to much (insider) dialogue for my humble japanese. Agreed.
I'll also wait for the first fansubbed version, before I rate this series. Anyway... it's so damn cute... *-*
Konata alone would be my personal reason for watching Lucky Star till the end. :3 She's so... awww. Sweet character. Konata > Chiyo-chan, imo. =)
Is there an ending song to Lucky Star?
Yes, and it's Konata singing Uchuu Tetsujin Kyodain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxywjURzHYg) wwww
Julius Firefocht
2007-04-08, 12:57
The opening was just wow. I have to wait for the subs to make my own judgement on the rest of the episode though.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 13:04
According to that Random Curiosity blogs comment section done by the readers, because a) The opening had Aya Hirano b)As long as its Kyoani good or bad we HAVE to watch this and c)If the openings catchy and cute, then nothing else matters then d) Kyoto Animation claims a total victory for the year. If that's the case than these are the Key ingredients to a successful anime. The fanbase has spoken, take notes other studios as its time to play catchup and to rename your studio.
In fact you can cast away all that other unnecessary stuff as well because its not important. In fact get rid of the show itself, keep the opening and choregraph a catchy dance sequence that looks like the one from Haruhi, and have Aya Hirano sing it, and name your Studio Kyoto Animation and you should have the show of the year. Oh I love making fun of the more "interesting" anime fans sometimes (they make it far too easy though).
Sai the Dreamer
2007-04-08, 13:05
Okay. I'll out myself as a heretic, prepared to be tarred and feathered, but I want to be honest: If this show hadn't been animated by KyoAni, I doubt it would have had any impact at all. It would have been one of many.
Lots of 4-koma style humor, but was it so funny? Without translations - no. And I've been talking to 3 independent translators now, where noone was impressed.
What remains is a catchy OP. But if you're hoping for another KyoAni masterpiece, I'd recommend to lower the expectations back to realistic levels, quickly.
It's important to remember that we still have 4 main characters (and multiple side-characters) to become acquainted with. They might be able to get away with it in the case of Fumoffu?/TSR, as those had an entire 24-episode series before, but for Lucky Star, nobody really knows anything about what's going to unfold, and we need some insight into the characters' personalities.
What I'm trying to say is, pay close attention. AIR's first episode was introductions. Kanon's first episode was introductions. Haruhi's first episode was also introductions - although in a far more... "unique" way. :heh:
You shouldn't expect gut-bustingly funny humour from the first episode, because even if it is a 4koma, the series would be far less enjoyable if we didn't get to know the characters first. That's the general purpose first episodes serve, and probably why there was no ED either.
In any case, the OP's addictive. :D
Edit: Ahh, I see our resident Kaio-chin has woken up. :p
For those who understand japanese; around 15:45 and 15:55, was that a physical? And Konata and Miyuki came out with those faces because of the obvious, er, size difference? :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-08, 13:12
It's important to remember that we still have 4 main characters (and multiple side-characters) to become acquainted with. They might be able to get away with it in the case of Fumoffu?/TSR, as those had an entire 24-episode series before, but for Lucky Star, nobody really knows anything about what's going to unfold, and we need some insight into the characters' personalities.
What I'm trying to say is, pay close attention. AIR's first episode was introductions. Kanon's first episode was introductions. Haruhi's first episode was also introductions - although in a far more... "unique" way. :heh:
You shouldn't expect gut-bustingly funny humour from the first episode, because even if it is a 4koma, the series would be far less enjoyable if we didn't get to know the characters first. That's the general purpose first episodes serve, and probably why there was no ED either.
In any case, the OP's addictive. :D
When dealing with 4Koma the characters personalities usually aren't as important as setting up the punchline. Usually their reactions can be altered slightly from the norm in a case where its necessary for the punchline to have its intended effect. I don't really know if anybody will have stable set personalities so I would expect them to flucuate around a certain area for each character.
@7th: The people here are very very down to earth compared what you find on the blogs, read my post on the RC Blog just above this post to get an idea on how other people find reasons why Kyoto Animation always wins the anime competition. Ignore them, their reasoning makes no sense. I learned too. Just pay attention to people like Vexx, Ascaloth, Wanderingknight, Skane, Kaoru Chuujo, and most of the other people here (W-General aside I suppose, as he's probably in Banzai mode as we speak), as they will never lie to you or to themselves like people who comment on blogs and 2/4Chan. I think I'm going to enjoy this show, but I'm definitely no huge fan of Kyoto Animations past works.
@Sai: No. I just like to make fun of blog posts that are EXTREME and TO THE MAX when dealing with peoples favourite studios. Read any blog where Kyoto Animation or Aya Hirano is even mentioned and you'll see the same thing. It's like a concert really, you have your blogger giving the performance and showing the goods and then you have a mosh pit of sorts in the comments.
Holy crap she beat the crap out of Guile (Foreigner) now that I look. Anyone want to check out my new Urban Dictionary definition (http://add.urbandictionary.com/verify.php?code=99d83874cf) I think it applies here too.
(and multiple side-characters)
I wanna see Nanako Kuroi =(
Daniel E.
2007-04-08, 13:30
I agree with one positive poster there who said that if you don't like this kind of humor in the comic, you won't like it in the show. I should correct that a bit: I like it better in the anime than I have so far in the comic. The voices bring it life.
I didn't like the manga all that much, but I am still hopeful that I will be able to enjoy the anime. :)
Guess I should watch the intro while the sub shows up. :D
This is a school days comedy about nothing in particular filled with cute girls and bright colours and with KyoAni-level animation.
I am in complete, utter love. There is nothing more that I can ever want.
(Yes, I'm easily satisfied.)
Ok, having watched through all the youtube links that was posted, heres what I think is being defined as Sakuga-type quality by 7Th:
Kinetic/realistic animation.
When a person is moving, does his clothes move as well? Is the movement realistic?
When there is a strong gust of wind, does the hair/cloths move at a realistic speed?
Are the drawings accurate in the shown perspective? (top view, side view, from bottom - 25 degrees in angle etc)
When a person throw a piece of rock against/into a:
1) Wall, can small "grains" of sand/dirt be seen falling from the point of contact as a sigh of friction?
2) Pond, does the water "ripple" at a realistic speed? Does the ripple look realistic in comparision to the speed/size of the rock and the overall impact that is supposed to have been caused by the throw?
3) Someone's clothed body, are the clothes affected the same way that it would have been in real life?
Is the character's face in proportion to the original model when he wears a different expression?
1) When a person closes his eyes, is what's seen just a line or are details such as the eye lashes shown? During the closing of the eyes, is it just an instantanious switch of frame- [eyes opened] to frame- [eyes closed] or is there sufficient animation to show the action/change?
2) When a relatively strong wind is blowing against a character's hair/fur, do the mentioned parts move in a plastic loop of frames or is each frame of hair movement different/random? (realistic movement?)
When a character speaks, does his/her chin move as well?
Thats all I can think of for now. Do note that I might be entirely wrong on the matter, but I do believe the qualities that 7Th is talking about can be seen in series such as Noein, Eureka seveN, and to a lesser extend, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha:
Where Nanoha runs down the stretch of road, don't remember which episode, possibly 2 or 3?
The Eureka seveN and Nanoha scenes were shown in the youtube vids that was posted, so take a look to see what I mean. Also, the way the camera moves is also part of the kinetic animations I believe, though I only see that in the Nanoha scene.
And to stay on topic...um...I hope the song will be catchy enough for me to remember?:heh:
I'm gonna wait till someone sub this before i judge it's humor.
As for animation, while i enjoyed KyoAni's recent animation work, you shouldn't expect anything impressive from this series. But the little motion animation that you see from episode 1 are pretty well done despite the simplistic 4koma character design.
Other than that, Konata's otaku antic are pretty funny. Anyway, there's lots of talking head scene and punchline humor so i can't comment much on this anime yet.
Daniel E.
2007-04-08, 14:06
OK, watched the intro, I think I am gonna need a little bit of time to get used to the music in it. :rolleyes:
I liked all the dancing the girls do though. :)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2265/dibujopf8.jpg
Was suddenly reminded of YUA after seeing this. :D
Oh, and Riker posted this in the Haruhi image section. I guess it kinda fits in here as well. :p
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/657/1176020517428ub0.jpg
Yes, and it's Konata singing Uchuu Tetsujin Kyodain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxywjURzHYg) wwwwSo.... they going to randomly (karaoke style) sing a different song every week?
FireChick
2007-04-08, 14:09
I'll watch Lucky Star! I've never seen the 4-koma but I will like it! My reason is that the characters are REALLY cute!:) :D
So.... they going to randomly (karaoke style) sing a different song every week?
That'd great, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.
W-General
2007-04-08, 14:22
I wasn't paying much attention to this thread until I saw my name. :twitch:
I guess I am in banzai mode, sort of. What I saw in the first episode wasn't a huge wow I thought. But then again I wasn't wowed when I saw episode 0 of Haruhi (and it took me a while to realize what was actually going on after I saw episode 0).
I thought episode 1 of this looks like they were trying to stick to the style of the original work, and that is fine by me. When I was watching this thing it felt a bit like watching Azumanga - duh, because they're both 4-koma. I think as the episodes move on, there will come a time when this start to amaze me.
Nevertheless, based on track record, I still think Kyo Ani's the best and I don't see otherwise. They've always managed to impress me and I believe they will continue to do so one way or another. It's not "anything kyo ani makes is automatically godly." It's more about "anything kyo ani makes always somehow live up to my expectations."
This koma series is almost totally "talking head" style (whereas Azumanga Daioh's koma had much more movement and physical humor).
I'm interested in seeing what KyoAni does with a source that relies mostly on facial expressions and verbal humor -- and how they translate it to a visual action medium.
If anyone has been watching Hidamari Sketch, the "acid trip I have a fever" episode (5) has very little movement. It works for that ep but 12 episodes of that might be a bit much. I can't see an entire season of "talking heads" so KyoAni will have to introduce individualistic ways that LuckyStar characters animate themselves through their world.
As far as "1st ep" wow... shows that are character driven -- I just don't expect a lot to happen in the first few episodes -- very common to both U.K. and European series as well.
I've only read the scanlation of the three first chapters just when the anime was announced.
I've liked what I've read, I did smile, I did laugh (especially the Konata's explanation for why she did not joined a sport club).
My only regret is that I could not get more translated chapters (the thing was already licensed) so, sadly, I could not see Nanako Kuroi.
Therefore, I am waiting to see when Nanako will appear.
From the scanlated chapters I could read, Konata stuck to me as a favorite.
Omniscient
2007-04-08, 14:52
According to that Random Curiosity blog because a) The opening had Aya Hirano b)As long as its Kyoani good or bad we HAVE to watch this and c)If the openings catchy and cute, then nothing else matters then d) Kyoto Animation claims a total victory for the year. If that's the case than these are the Key ingredients to a successful anime. The fanbase has spoken, take notes other studios as its time to play catchup and to rename your studio.
In fact you can cast away all that other unnecessary stuff as well because its not important. In fact get rid of the show itself, keep the opening and choregraph a catchy dance sequence that looks like the one from Haruhi, and have Aya Hirano sing it, and name your Studio Kyoto Animation and you should have the show of the year. Oh I love making fun of the more "interesting" anime fans sometimes (they make it far too easy though).
Jaalin and I have differing viewpoints about this show (he likes it much more than me), but I don't see either of us saying what you claim we said.
W-General
2007-04-08, 14:53
I forgot to mention that I loved the opening. very energetic, and that's a good sign. It gave me a similar 'feel' of energy when I first saw the Haruhi opening.
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