Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Jaalin and I have differing viewpoints about this show (he likes it much more than me), but I don't see either of us saying what you claim we said.

Look in the comments section made by readers and you'll see it. It's because you didn't say it at all that you didn't say it.

@W-General: I'm kind of the same way with Sunrise and Bones actually, when it comes to trust. The reason being they do stuff I like and do it well, while Kyoto does stuff I'm maybe passively interested in that I don't care for them as much.

[Dejiko-chan]

Woah~The dance was really cool <3

I've read 4 chapters of the scanlations and it was plain funny. There're always a place for comedy animes~

[froinlaven]

I thought the OP was super awesome, and I liked the animation. I had sort of a hard time understanding all of the dialogue though. At least I got a few of the jokes...

Full impressions here (http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/2007/04/08/lucky%e2%98%86star-anime-first-impressions/).

[DJ_RockmanX]

Sounds like I'm a little late to the party. :p

At any rate, from what I'm reading everywhere it seems that this ep was hit-or-miss to some people, gold to others, and an obligatory watch to those who thought it wasn't that special. I guess this is what happens with 4-koma slice-of-life anime adaptations eh? :heh:

But, I think it goes without saying that the OP is UBER. :D :D :D

[ZeusIrae]

the OP is insane.I watched it 5 times already.I need more.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Sounds like I'm a little late to the party. :p

At any rate, from what I'm reading everywhere it seems that this ep was hit-or-miss to some people, gold to others, and an obligatory watch to those who thought it wasn't that special. I guess this is what happens with 4-koma slice-of-life anime adaptations eh? :heh:

But, I think it goes without saying that the OP is UBER. :D :D :D

It kind of saddens me that what looks like a fairly interesting and amusing comedy is going to be overshadowed by the opening. It's like how I felt with Haruhi that people were missing the really, truly great parts and focusing on the stuff that could be used as fodder for 2Chan style pics, and that was making the anime's case for them. I think I saw more talk to do with the bunny suit and Yuki's glasses, than anything dealing with the revelations of Haruhi's character or the metaphysics.

That being said this is definitely not meant to be a serious show, but I'm saying that I see a lot more funny things in the screenshots of the anime alone, than I saw in the entire goofy opening, as bizarre as it was. I hope it doesn't overshadow the rest of the series and that song and dance doesn't beat out parody and comedy in yet another series. So yeah, I find that with Kyoto Animation there's always this one thing that gets everybody going about an episode or series and that carries the whole thing, while other good stuff gets ignored. It's like I said in the one post, why bother with everything else when you only need those key ingredients? In fact as far as I can tell its the same with a lot of other companies too. Basically the most meme like thing is what gets everybody the most riled up (Pizza in Code Geass, Dancing in Lucky Star, Bunny Suit in Haruhi, Uguuu in Kanon etc.). Though if anyones curious I'm kind of looking forward to the Street Fighter thing when the sub comes out, though I'm sure there's other stuff. Maybe Vexx know's the answer to this paragraph's puzzlement.

[ZeusIrae]

I think I saw more talk to do with the bunny suit and Yuki's glasses, than anything dealing with the revelations of Haruhi's character or the metaphysics.



You're a little unfair here.Plenty of people were intrested by the story(including me),some discussions were really strange.Actually I never understood why the dance was so popular,I guess it's useless to search an explanation.Right now,I am in love with the OP.For the rest,wait and see.

[Vexx]

It kind of saddens me that what looks like a fairly interesting and amusing comedy is going to be overshadowed by the opening. It's like how I felt with Haruhi that people were missing the really, truly great parts and focusing on the stuff that could be used as fodder for 2Chan style pics, and that was making the anime's case for them. I think I saw more talk to do with the bunny suit and Yuki's glasses, than anything dealing with the revelations of Haruhi's character or the metaphysics.

That being said this is definitely not meant to be a serious show, but I'm saying that I see a lot more funny things in the screenshots of the anime alone, than I saw in the entire goofy opening, as bizarre as it was. I hope it doesn't overshadow the rest of the series and that song and dance doesn't beat out parody and comedy in yet another series. So yeah, I find that with Kyoto Animation there's always this one thing that gets everybody going about an episode or series and that carries the whole thing, while other good stuff gets ignored. It's like I said in the one post, why bother with everything else when you only need those key ingredients? In fact as far as I can tell its the same with a lot of other companies too. Basically the most meme like thing is what gets everybody the most riled up (Pizza in Code Geass, Dancing in Lucky Star, Bunny Suit in Haruhi, Uguuu in Kanon etc.). Though if anyones curious I'm kind of looking forward to the Street Fighter thing when the sub comes out, though I'm sure there's other stuff. Maybe Vexx know's the answer to this paragraph's puzzlement.

Well.... there were people who went to see LOTR because of the action, some because of the character drama, and..... large contingent of Legolas fangirl droolers for whom the rest of the movies faded away (and who now help to make Pirates of the Caribbean successful following 'Legolas').

I'm glad they spend the money to help make what I like to watch successful... but I try not to spend a lot of time trying to get them interested in the other aspects because it usually fails on so many levels.

For me, the real win in LuckyStar is what I'll call the subtle existential humor that runs through the core of the show. Its not slapstick, its not bawdy -- so many may miss it in amidst the ruckus.

[QBnoYouko]

This OP will have more parodies than Galaxy Angelune, I guaranteed that. :heh:

I quite enjoyed the first episode. All the seiyuu did a great job on their part (go Aaya!). After seeing an animated adaptation of the chapters I read I just had to plant a grin on my face.

So.. is that really the ED theme or what? That was nuts lol.

[Kaioshin Sama]

This OP will have more parodies than Galaxy Angelune, I guaranteed that. :heh:

I quite enjoyed the first episode. All the seiyuu did a great job on their part (go Aaya!). After seeing an animated adaptation of the chapters I read I just had to plant a grin on my face.

So.. is that really the ED theme or what? That was nuts lol.

I didn't really notice any individual voice so I'm basically at a loss as to where she fit in. It seemed a bit like the Japanese version of a redneck square dance. I was a bit groggy but I got something equivelant to the this in Japanese, "Oh take your pardner by the hand, step and step and swing your hand, swing ya pardner round and in and out and do-se-do" *fiddle solo as the girls dance and groove there way through Japan* "Dance a dance and do it good, do it like Jane Underwood, smile and smile and make em smack, take your knees a givem a slap" *Fiddle solo and each girl show their face*, "We're getting near the end of the song, wish it could last all day long, YEAH!". I just imagine a southern twang througout all of this for some reason even though it was just a really high pitched jumble of voices.

[dahl_moon]

Hm... this is rather like Hidamari Sketch, but without Akiyuki Shinbo and his video art. A slice of life anime watching people doing nothing in particular. And one of my favorite genres, BTW:D

Pretty heavy on the cultural side, which I think is a minus for Animesuki. I got like maybe half of them; one of the advantages for coming from a similar culture (Korean. The other advantage is Kanji:D ). I need subtitles for the rest.

Also, Hirano Aya is just awesome in this episode. She is really a gem.

[Mirrinus]

I haven't seen it yet, but I find myself easily amused by 4-komas (I adored Azumanga Daioh), and I actually enjoyed what I've seen of the scanslations so far. Anyway, I read pretty much all the blogs on it so far, and I don't see what the big deal is about people behaving negatively. First off, is anyone actually surprised by Lolikit's vitriol? Kaioshin_sama would declare Haruhi Suzumiya to be the greatest anime of all time before Lolikit could ever come to actually praise something like Lucky☆Star. He's easily one of the most unreasonable bloggers I know, so I can't say I'm surprised (especially since my taste in anime seems to differ strongly anyway). Hinano was more mild, but admits that she was caught up in all the hype. Why people expect fantasticly detailed animation and a captivating story from a 4-koma is seriously beyond me...I don't expect anything like that when reading Calvin and Hobbes or Garfield. And quite frankly, I'm sure many people who aren't native Japanese speakers would have a hard time judging a dialogue-based series by watching just the first episode RAW.

The main criticisms I'm seeing of Lucky☆Star:

1) Its animation is sub-par.

Duh. It's a 4-koma. Were you surprised?

2) It's about nothing.

I'm going to refrain from re-typing the previous answer. Don't expect a Mark Twain story here.

3) It's not funny.

Out of all of these, this is really the only legitimate criticism I can think of for a 4-koma adaptation. 4-komas are always hit or miss. People have different senses of humor? SHOCKING!

4) Kyoto Animation should be doing Haruhi instead.

I'm going to take the time to be in agreement with the anti-Haruhiists and laugh at this statement.

5) They're copying Hare Hare Yukai.

*GASP* An anime that parodies video games and other anime is parodying Haruhi's Hare Hare Yukai? IMPOSSIBLE!

6) It's really moe.

This is something that Kyoto Animation actually does very consistantly. Were you surprised? If you can't stand moe, I wonder why you're even following Kyoto Animation's productions.

I'm actually pretty amused by just how many people have no clue what a 4-koma is.

[W-General]

I think the criticisms are uncalled for.

For (4), they just don't have the materials to work with. The first season they were lucky enough to have "Melancholy" to work with. Now? The closest thing to "Melancholy" is "Disappearance" and I don't think "Disappearance" is suitable to be the main plot of second season (except for Nagato fans).

I dunno about the newest one "Bunretsu" - but I assume it's not far from the "collection of short stories" like most other novels. I think they're just giving it time for there to be something substantial to work on.

I haven't seen it yet, but I find myself easily amused by 4-komas (I adored Azumanga Daioh), and I actually enjoyed what I've seen of the scanslations so far. Anyway, I read pretty much all the blogs on it so far, and I don't see what the big deal is about people behaving negatively. First off, is anyone actually surprised by Lolikit's vitriol? Kaioshin_sama would declare Haruhi Suzumiya to be the greatest anime of all time before Lolikit could ever come to actually praise something like Lucky☆Star. He's easily one of the most unreasonable bloggers I know, so I can't say I'm surprised (especially since my taste in anime seems to differ strongly anyway). Hinano was more mild, but admits that she was caught up in all the hype. Why people expect fantasticly detailed animation and a captivating story from a 4-koma is seriously beyond me...I don't expect anything like that when reading Calvin and Hobbes or Garfield. And quite frankly, I'm sure many people who aren't native Japanese speakers would have a hard time judging a dialogue-based series by watching just the first episode RAW.

The main criticisms I'm seeing of Lucky☆Star:

1) Its animation is sub-par.

Duh. It's a 4-koma. Were you surprised?

2) It's about nothing.

I'm going to refrain from re-typing the previous answer. Don't expect a Mark Twain story here.

3) It's not funny.

Out of all of these, this is really the only legitimate criticism I can think of for a 4-koma adaptation. 4-komas are always hit or miss. People have different senses of humor? SHOCKING!

4) Kyoto Animation should be doing Haruhi instead.

I'm going to take the time to be in agreement with the anti-Haruhiists and laugh at this statement.

5) They're copying Hare Hare Yukai.

*GASP* An anime that parodies video games and other anime is parodying Haruhi's Hare Hare Yukai? IMPOSSIBLE!

6) It's really moe.

This is something that Kyoto Animation actually does very consistantly. Were you surprised? If you can't stand moe, I wonder why you're even following Kyoto Animation's productions.

I'm actually pretty amused by just how many people have no clue what a 4-koma is.

[Mirrinus]

Yeah, I have a hard time faulting Kyoto Animation for this, aside from the obviously different animation style (then again, who expected Haruhi-level animation from a 4-koma?). Think back to their advertising campaign (if you can call it that). What'd they tell us? That there'll be cute girls playing video games and going "Uuuuuuuuuuuu." Practically everything else was conjured up by the fans, fans who aren't even sure what the end product would be like, at that. It's one thing to hype a series that's complete; it's another to hype one that hasn't started airing and whose source material is still fairly obscure. I'm sure that a person who doesn't spend all their time reading anime blogs and posting on anime forums would have next to no expectations from this show, and would likely have a better impression of the first episode. Quite frankly, I think this is one of those circumstances where condemning the fans might actually be justified in my eyes. ^_^

Oh, and yeah, the OP is addictive. >_<

[Kyuusai]

I haven't seen it yet (just the OP), but it was clear from the original marketing and source material that this was going to be different territory for Kyoani.

In a lot of the blogs I'm reading, many of the people complaining didn't "get" Azumanga Daioh or Haruhi. Whether they liked it or not, the ones who said that "nothing happened" in Azumanga or that Haruhi was just a collection of cliched characters with energetic animation. That's like saying Blazing Saddles didn't succeed as a Western. Since there were so many people who didn't really understand Azumanga and Haruhi (even out of the people that enjoyed them), it doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of people who don't like Lucky Star.

I've only read a handful of pages of the original, and they weren't immediately as captivating as some other 4koma I've enjoyed, but they weren't bad. It wasn't enough to say I particularly liked or disliked the material, but it WAS enough to see the sort of humor it was.

I have no problem with people saying they don't like it. It does bother me when people complain about it when they don't understand it, though. Yes, it's a collection of moe elements and culture references. It's not trying to exploit the moe trend, the moe is the JOKE. And if people really complain about it being boring... Did you not care for Seinfeld? It, also, was a show about nothing.

It really doesn't bother me that Kyoani is doing this instead of something else. It's not for every one, no, but it's something enjoyable while most of their time is spent on Clannad. They could do NOTHING between Kanon and Clannad, or they could delay Clannad while they do something more impressive instead. I think they made the right choice.

[WanderingKnight]

Well, after recovering from a chocolate-caused stomachache I could finally come back home and watch the frigging episode. And guess what, slice of life being my favorite genre... how could I not like this? Thousands of references to everyday situations and jokes that don't come to mind immediately in real life, but which are always lying there, hidden, waiting to be discovered, are brought up in a fashion that remembers Azumanga Daioh, the one and only comedy I've enjoyed like no other. Even when most of the jokes are aimed at the Japanese populace, they still reached to me. Of course, there were still lots of things I didn't get (for which I'll have to wait for the subs), but most of the jokes I got from reading the 4-koma, to which the episode stayed amusingly faithful.

And something I have to get out of my breast: IS THAT HIRANO AYA!? OMG, now she REALLY earned the praised she's been getting. Not only she delivers a sample of her enormous vocal range, but she fits so well to the character--just as I imagined.

I'll agree, this show is not for everybody, just as AzuDai wasn't for everybody, but it has the added condiment of disappointed, reckless KyoAni fans who expect only Haruhi rehashes from the studio. And I'm happy KyoAni has done this, so they can finally take a laugh at those fans.

[Mentar]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

[Mirrinus]

Hey, slice-of-life school comedy is my absolute favorite genre, so of course I'd still check it out even if it wasn't Kyoto Animation. Actually, I bet if it wasn't Kyoto Animation doing it, then there would be a LOT fewer people complaining about it.

Then again, I'm kinda glad in a way that a lot of people are dismissing this show. That just means people won't be running around complaining about how overrated it is, and I can enjoy it in peace.

Watching the RAW right now, I want to see if it can amuse me even when I don't understand all the dialogue (I took Japanese for a while in school, but foreign language has always been my worst subject lol).

[WanderingKnight]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

Of course. What do you think, I only watch anime made by KyoAni? I'm actually following about 7 series this season.

That's a pretty stupid question if you think about it. Even if your intention was to dismiss the KyoAni fandom.

[Sheba]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?


I need my Azumanga Daio-like fix, be it by Madhouse (unlikely tho), or J.C Staff (more likely), or Bones.
And those are the three studios I rank very high.

[Mentar]

Oi, take a chill pill, people.

If you'd be here anyway, feverishly discussing this kind of show raw, and are sure that you'd be here anyway, more power to you :) ... be my guest. No problem. Enjoy it by all means.

I for myself would say: "No, I wouldn't be here." And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Too many shows of this style and kind have come and gone more or less unnoticed. If after translation, LS somehow makes it close to Azumanga level, great. So far, (not only) my impression doesn't point in this direction.

[WanderingKnight]

Something I forgot to say: I sympathize with whoever is gonna TL/TS this anime. Thousands of lines everywhere, with the added difficulty of 4koma-styled punchlines--I'm not gonna be surprised to see the subbers taking a long while to release the episodes.

[ZeusIrae]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?


No,I am sure plenty of people wouldn't be here,including me.But that's how a brand works.You don't know the product but you trust the brand.

[Shinova]

Oh dear, I can see the OP dance craze coming from a light year away. :heh:

[Kaoru Chujo]

I was wondering about that switch of the first ep from a midnight broadcast to an 8 pm broadcast. That seems like a pretty big deal to me, going from late night to prime time. Does anyone -- such as maybe kj1980 -- know if it was that big a deal, or is it fairly normal? What would have been behind it? The station (Chiba TV) seeing the viral hype going and not having a big show in that time-slot anyway? An advertiser or the producers paying for it? I do see that the next episode goes back to the midnight time-slot. I'm guessing that Chiba is close enough to Tokyo for Chiba TV to be one of the stations almost everyone in Tokyo gets.

And does anyone have an idea why it says "Saitama Police" on the side of that police car in the OP. Is it just that it has to say something, or is there some joke involved? I'm supposing it's from the comic.

>>Mentar: I was there for Hidamari Sketch, discussing the first ep raw. I can't remember if I was there before the first ep aired. It was probably Hirano Aya who got me here for this one that early. Of course, I'm here for too many shows, so maybe it's not unusual, lol.

[Kyuusai]

I'm not sure who I'm wanting to see subs from, really.

It's true, a.f.k.'s Strato did an amazing job with Haruhi subs, but the majority of the cultural humor didn't need the subtitles to be conveyed (the "moe" explanation in episode 1 being the major exception). Part of why I enjoyed their subtitling, though, is that it was a good balance between mimicing the flow of the Japanese text, which would have been awkward to read, and adjusting it to sound totally natural in English, which would have lost the humor. In subtitling Kanon, however, he moved closer toward the "natural sounding English" side, and, honestly, it seemed hollow to me.

That's not to criticize Strato! He did an amazing job at what he was setting out to do, but that's not why I watch fansubs. I watch fansubs because I want to see as much of the original context preserved as possible. Translations that try to scrub or gloss over the cultural context are at absolute best tremendously distracting, assuming you can catch the original meaning by ear. At worst, they make a scene completely devoid of enjoyment or even any sense.

Sometimes a translation just can't be right. Now here's a series where those sorts of untranslatable Japanese culture references pop up everywhere, and are half the point of the series. Maybe I'll be able to catch all those things by ear, but I wouldn't look forward to trying to keep the two translations going in my head (and if I had a perfect grasp of Japanese to catch everything, I'd be watching the raw). Sometimes I think it's entirely appropriate to just leave some of the Japanese terms in there.

If Strato decides to go his usual route, I'll definitely keep up with his work so I can observe his choices and learn, with the purpose of improving my own interpretation skill. Assuming he does, though, I might want to follow another subbing group for my regular viewing.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yeah, I have a hard time faulting Kyoto Animation for this, aside from the obviously different animation style (then again, who expected Haruhi-level animation from a 4-koma?). Think back to their advertising campaign (if you can call it that). What'd they tell us? That there'll be cute girls playing video games and going "Uuuuuuuuuuuu." Practically everything else was conjured up by the fans, fans who aren't even sure what the end product would be like, at that. It's one thing to hype a series that's complete; it's another to hype one that hasn't started airing and whose source material is still fairly obscure. I'm sure that a person who doesn't spend all their time reading anime blogs and posting on anime forums would have next to no expectations from this show, and would likely have a better impression of the first episode. Quite frankly, I think this is one of those circumstances where condemning the fans might actually be justified in my eyes. ^_^

Oh, and yeah, the OP is addictive. >_<

That was kind of the other danger I was worried of. Outside of here I always see a lot of Kyoto Animation fans who don't seem to realize who don't realize how the anime world or frankly the world works. I think it boils down simply to naivete. They came in to the whole anime world cold while Haruhi was taking off and they assumed that Haruhi is the definitive deal, the be all end all product that came from Kyoto animation the best studio. I'm not sure its delusion as much as its lack of real knowledge that studios do do different types of show, they do have different.... Here's my cousin gotta go sorry.

[Vexx]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

I'd be watching LuckyStar if it were done by stick-puppet theatre --- the thing is about the dialog. I'm just a big fan of subtle humor. As an additional bonus, I'm curious to see what KyoAni will do with such a different kind of material.

[Mirrinus]

Actually, I can see Lucky☆Star becoming favorable to people who disliked Haruhi and Kanon too. In fact, it's already happened to at least one blogger...

It's pretty much just radically different from what they've done in the past. And some people refuse to accept that, lol. Meh, I'll still take my slife-of-life school comedy that makes fun of anime and video games, thank you.

Anyway, I watched the RAW, and yeah, this show is definitely dialogue-intensive, which differentiates it from Azumanga Daioh. Subs will definitely be necessary. Voice acting is excellent IMHO. Animation of course is nothing like what Kyoto Animation has put out in the past. Actually, it was interesting how many different background styles there were in the first episode...not sure what they're trying to do with that.

[Daniel E.]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

Being honest I can only say that.... I am not really sure. :heh:

Of the shows I have listed as my favorites, only one was made by KyoAni.

[~Tsukuyomi]

Seriously, why people think the first episode is bad??? I found it very amusing and enjoyable... Animation is where it needs to be, since you kinda have to ask yourself why they need it to be at a higher quality... Also, the many dialogs and verbal humor stuff means that you have to be a bit smart, instead of "Lol... Boobies..."

[Mirrinus]

Seriously, why people think the first episode is bad??? I found it very amusing and enjoyable... Animation is where it needs to be, since you kinda have to ask yourself why they need it to be at a higher quality... Also, the many dialogs and verbal humor stuff means that you have to be a bit smart, instead of "Lol... Boobies..."

My assumption is that the people who disliked it were expecting something different from Kyoto Animation. Some were going into Lucky☆Star thinking it was going to be a masterpiece along the same lines of some of Kyoto Animation's earlier works, but were caught unprepared by the very simplistic animation and non-existant plot. Personally I expected that to begin with, so I wasn't really disappointed or anything. But hey, people seem to love shooting themselves in the foot before attempting to run a marathon, so...

It's not Haruhi or Kanon, but I can see it being somewhat like Azumanga Daioh, except with more dialogue humor and less crazy visual humor. And quite frankly, that's totally fine by me.

[7Th]

Seriously, why people think the first episode is bad??? I found it very amusing and enjoyable... Animation is where it needs to be, since you kinda have to ask yourself why they need it to be at a higher quality... Also, the many dialogs and verbal humor stuff means that you have to be a bit smart, instead of "Lol... Boobies..."

Because the "I just want to watch the prime-time anime" joke requires intelligence... I actually think is a well-done product that fails as comedy as theres with nothing to laugh about in it, I mean those jokes are fairly generic and the original mangaka just pasted a "LOL, I'm an otaku" comment over them.

[WanderingKnight]

I actually think is a well-done product that fails as comedy as theres with nothing to laugh about in it, I mean those jokes are fairly generic and the original mangaka just pasted a "LOL, I'm an otaku" comment over them.

Well, that's up to your taste in comedy. Half of the jokes in the episode weren't otaku-related anyways. In fact, I firmly believe most weren't. They're the AzuDai-type of jokes about everyday stuff, and if that doesn't get through to you in the first run, it probably never will. Slice of life comedy is loved by few and misunderstood by many, anyways.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

Yes, though its because I like 4Koma style comedy. I think 99% of the reason its popular or considered by most though is because of KyoAni. I like it that people are raising these questions because nobody had the guts too with Haruhi which got taken away in a see of utter madness all across the internet that even I have to this day not been able to explain beyond it had more fodder for Avatar's, Sigs memes and fanfic than any other series since Azumanga Daioh or possibly even Evangelion (not to mention it was an interesting mix of genres.

Anyway what I was getting at before was that people over generalize one thing to the next. Since Kyoto Animation's most popular series was Haruhi, everybody now expects the next show to be exactly the same and they are getting thrown off by the quirky opening (odds are they will take that opening and use it to satisfy their beliefs. I expect for this reason that we will be seeing a lot more of that opening than the rest of the series). People also think that because it is Aya Hirano doing the lead that Izumi will be exactly like Haruhi. This isn't the case. The others who are more open to the truth, but tend to overgeneralize are likely having their world shattered right now as a result of expectations of a series that doesn't exist in the form they imagined, so they are very negative. It's the same deal with other studios. With Sunrise the series people saw most of before this year was GSD, which trainwrecked, therefore logic tells them that all Sunrise series Trainwreck. For Gainax their most popular show is arguably Evangelion, which is a very serious character analysis and now this Evangelion@School thing and its all goofy and self-parodying and it shatters their world and they react negatively. Code Geass comes along and shatters the belief that all Sunrise series trainwreck rapidly out of the gate and people aren't sure what to think either. This I think explains why people are reacting negatively to Lucky Star and latching onto the opening, because its the only part of the show that bears any resemblance to Haruhi. Therefore in order to hold onto their belief that Haruhi and Kyoto Animation can't be seperated we get "Opening is Godly, but show is not up to par with Haruhi". Well obviously it isn't.

[~Tsukuyomi]

Well, that's up to your taste in comedy. Half of the jokes in the episode weren't otaku-related anyways. In fact, I firmly believe most weren't. They're the AzuDai-type of jokes about everyday stuff, and if that doesn't get through to you in the first run, it probably never will. Slice of life comedy is loved by few and misunderstood by many, anyways.

Yep... The only otaku jokes was this one:

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7663/lsv1e3011nk6.png

Anything else, even a common man should know it...

[Kyuusai]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?

It's quite possible that if KyoAni hadn't done it, I wouldn't have taken an immediate interest. I *do* take an interest in 4koma manga adaptations, both because I've thus far enjoyed the style that such adaptations lend themselves to, but also because I'm curious to see how they accomplish the task.

KyoAni being the ones to do it, though, means that I had some level of anticipation. I actually don't have any particular expectation from KyoAni, though. I simply know that I've enjoyed the source material that they've chosen to work with before and I've enjoyed their adaptations of that source material. It's not that I expect everything from KyoAni to be amazing--as Leonard Nimoy said, "Every one has their turkeys". However, odds were in my favor that it would be something I might enjoy.

[Mirrinus]

I am in complete agreement with what Kaioshin_sama said about people's expectations of Lucky☆Star. He summed up the situation quite nicely.

Yeah, I know. I'm scared too. ^_^

For the record though, I watched and loved Azumanga Daioh before I had ever even heard of "Kyoto Animation" or seen any of their works. Apparently, I'm one of those people who like slice-of-life shows about absolutely nothing. And I'm also one of those people who would seriously spend that much time talking about methods of eating snack foods in real life (I think I actually have...). So yeah, this show is by no means a disappointment for me.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Are people out their really that negative about the first episode. Anyone mind telling me where the blogs our so I can do an analysis of things. Something tells me that the proportions are screwed up again. Turkey?! Really, I'm not entirely sure about this, something tells me these people are way too fickle.

I'm critical of some Kyoani fans for oversensationalizing Kyoto Animations works to the point of spamming things everywhere, but to dump on a company because of a situation of unreasonable expections that one created themselves to me is far far worse than anything I can imagine. I may even have to come to the companies defense on this one if this is how things are going to be, but I'll wait and see. I knew this day would come at some point though were the company would have to face the monster it accidently created.

One other thing I've got to do

From Mirrinus' summary

1) Its animation is sub-par.

Purely a result of people not understanding proportion. This isn't Haruhi its Lucky Star.

2) It's about nothing.

Well that's probably people not getting the jokes about the facts of Otaku Life. Otaku life basically is about nothing of any real importance. Something tells me Kyoto Animation is at the point where it gets to make fun of itself a bit.

3) It's not funny.

You either get the jokes or you don't. In real life I am basically Izumi so I can basically read the fictional characters non-existant train of thought.

4) Kyoto Animation should be doing Haruhi instead.

Are you F***ING Serious on this one. Have you actually seen this one out ther Mirrinus? Looks like I might be spot on with my analysis in this post. The Smog Monster from Kyoto Animations previous series is trying to erode its new creation.

5) They're copying Hare Hare Yukai.

Okay fair enough, perhaps that's the only original opening type they can do when dealing with this type of series and they deserve marks off for this, but this song is much less annoying than Hare Hare Yuki and about a 1000 times less pretencious. It's something I might actually consider acquiring at some point.

6) It's really moe.

Par for the course with Kyoto Animation, it's really what they do plain and simple. To me it seems that its less about moe in this series than in if your were to take the moe from Kanon and subtract the Moe from Haruhi and divide by 2. Also this doesn't really bother me as much later as the amount of Moe coming from the anime industry has stalled substantially even where Kyoto Animation is concerned.

[Mirrinus]

Are people out their really that negative about the first episode. Anyone mind telling me where the blogs our so I can do an analysis of things.

Sure, have fun. I might join you, but I've got an organic chem midterm in 2 days that I need to cram for.

http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2007/04/08/you-think-kanon-was-a-waste-of-resources-get-a-load-of-this/

http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/04/09/lucky-star-start/

http://animearimasu.animeblogger.net/2007/04/08/lucky-star-01/

http://not.dotq.org/?p=210

http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/?p=363

On a completely unrelated note, now we need Konata in Mugen, just so we can act out this scene:

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Lucky%20Star/Lucky%20Star%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2022.jpg

[Shiroth]

I really enjoyed the first episode --- everything i expected, though i can see after its all finished, that i'll be loving the manga a lot more then the anime. Also, i still wish they'd have gone with someone different to voice Kono-chan.

[Sheba]

On a completely unrelated note, now we need Konata in Mugen, just so we can act out this scene:



Her standing jab have no pushback effect, one floodgate to infinites, I cry fool!!

[Kaioshin Sama]

Sure, have fun. I might join you, but I've got an organic chem midterm in 2 days that I need to cram for.

http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2007/04/08/you-think-kanon-was-a-waste-of-resources-get-a-load-of-this/

http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/04/09/lucky-star-start/

http://animearimasu.animeblogger.net/2007/04/08/lucky-star-01/

http://not.dotq.org/?p=210

http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/?p=363

On a completely unrelated note, now we need Konata in Mugen, just so we can act out this scene:

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Lucky%20Star/Lucky%20Star%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2022.jpg

Yeah I was right. I had no idea Kyoto Animation fans were this ready to jump ship should the company dare try something different. Are they not allowed to do anything fun and whimsical for themselves anymore just because of Haruhi. Is that all people care about is Key adaptations and when the next Haruhi is coming out. I can't help but feel everything I've said has been on the money far more than I ever thought possible. This is the damage I was talking about regarding the whole war theing only kind of different, now it seems like a civil war in Moeland rather than a war on anime. I'm not entirely sure I want to get into this one after all, I think I'm just going to watch Lucky Star and let these people tear themselves apart over it. Really feel sorry for Kyoto Animation though I've gotta say, they didn't ask for this and they most certainly don't deserve the equivelant of the Smog Monster coming back to attack them.

[WanderingKnight]

Also, i still wish they'd have gone with someone different to voice Kono-chan.

Really? I thought Hirano rocked it.

Well, Kaioshin, I pretty much agree with you except on something. You talk about the studio being backfired by the very monster they created... I can't help but to think otherwise. People in the anime business industry, especially being Japanese, of all things, can't be that stupid. Of course, they knew what the reaction to their work was and of course, they knew what the reaction to a sudden change of approach would be. I'm pretty sure they have hundreds of top-notch analysts behind the big bucks KyoAni sees for production values. And we can't really call Japanese people unwise when it comes to business, right?

I'd rather see Lucky Star as a way for the studio to laugh a bit at the Haruhi-ness that has sprouted before their work, and take the chance to attract another sector of the fandom. Besides, most of their staff is on leave, and it has been told already that this is a slacking off the regular material we get from them. I'm sure many of the people who loved Kanon but hate Lucky Star will be loving Clannad anyways. And I'm sure KyoAni knows that, too.

[Mirrinus]

Eh, I'm just glad I can enjoy this without people shouting "overrated" everywhere. But yeah, I'm actually in agreement with you that fans are being stupid and unreasonable at this time.

I'm very curious to see how a.f.k. and the other groups plan on subbing it. Since it's a very dialogue-heavy show, the fansubbers definitely have their work cut out for them, as it could make or break the series.

[ShadowMercenary]

I have to admit, at this point it looks like KyoAni had some serious courage to try and do this series. IN every sense it was something different then what they're used to and it looks like people are really getting on them for messing up. Doing a 4Koma series that pleases everyone is a nearly impossible job and it looks like KyoAni will struggle with it.

I really wish Lucky Star had been done by a different animation company at this point. Not that I hate KyoAni, but so I could actually enjoy it without getting a migrane the entire day after watching it.

Oh, and I don't feel too bad about KyoAni at this point though. You KNOW that all of the naysayers will come on their bellies once they get what they want and see their once recent enemy as god again.

And if someone does put Konata in Mugen, then they'll get some serious love from me. That'll make my roster all the more screwed up.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Eh, I'm just glad I can enjoy this without people shouting "overrated" everywhere. But yeah, I'm actually in agreement with you that fans are being stupid and unreasonable at this time.

I'm very curious to see how a.f.k. and the other groups plan on subbing it. Since it's a very dialogue-heavy show, the fansubbers definitely have their work cut out for them, as it could make or break the series.

To me its more like this. The normally solid fanbase that goes around making people have to scream overated is currently bickering amongst itself and thus the people who normally scream overated have seized the chance to join in the bashing. Basically the pendulum of power has swung from the other, but rather than be humble about it and just enjoy a series that isn't being overly thrown in everyone's face, the anti-fan's are going overkill.

I'm with you, let them flame each other to death all across 2-Chan or wherever and now I can finally sit back and watch a Kyoto Animation series without the same old drama. Hopefully all of this results in something of an evening factor so that Kyoto Animation is neither God or Devil, but an animation company.

[velocity7]

I don't really get what people are thinking. It's not going to be good because it's Kyoto Animation, it's going to be good because it's like Pani Poni Dash or Azumanga Daioh.

Of course, that's my two cents. ;)

[WanderingKnight]

it's going to be good because it's like Pani Poni Dash or Azumanga Daioh.

The only way I can see it becoming like PPD is if they start throwing away hundreds of references to old anime series--the rest of the comedy seems totally different to me.

And there's no Himeko! How can it ever be like PPD if theres no Himeko!? :heh:

[Sai the Dreamer]

I kept my expectations reasonably low when watching, but I have to admit that the really exciting and pumped OP just sets a mood that essentially screams, "Big shiny coolass anime starts now, get ready!" Nonetheless, expectations stayed low, and I was satisfied.

One thing I don't understand from everybody's reactions is the jokes. My Japanese knowledge isn't very good, barely extending beyond basic knowledge, and the jokes still managed to amuse me. Perhaps it's just sophisticated comedy? If you're expecting the punchline to smack you in the face, you haven't quite got it.

But anyway, will wait for the subs before expressing any further opinions. :heh:

OT: This topic has been consistently active with 40-50+ viewers for several hours now, and is expanding rather quickly. Even if the series doesn't turn out to be quite that good, I have a feeling there'll be a Lucky Star forum sometime soon. :p

[velocity7]

The only way I can see it becoming like PPD is if they start throwing away hundreds of references to old anime series--the rest of the comedy seems totally different to me.

And there's no Himeko! How can it ever be like PPD if theres no Himeko!? :heh:

Maybe Konata can do a Himeko impression. ;)

[ShadowMercenary]

Maybe Konata can do a Himeko impression. ;)

Konata does have a decent ahoge, so she could probably pull it off.

[Princess_of_Hell]

I don't really get what people are thinking. It's not going to be good because it's Kyoto Animation, it's going to be good because it's like Pani Poni Dash or Azumanga Daioh.

Of course, that's my two cents. ;)

It does have that Pani Poni Dash and Azumanga Daioh feel to it. The OP is just crazy and I can't wait to see people act out the OP like they did the ED of the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, the cheerleading and dancing parts of it. :rolleyes: :D ;)

[kira11111]

Lets wait and see, it's only 1 raw... Sure I didn't think the first ep of Lucky Star was great but it certainly wasn't horrible. The va's did a great job the animation was well done... Both sides (for and against) just chill out and look forward to the next ep, save your judgement till we've got 3-4 more eps.

[Daniel E.]

I don't really get what people are thinking. It's not going to be good because it's Kyoto Animation, it's going to be good because it's like Pani Poni Dash or Azumanga Daioh.

Of course, that's my two cents. ;)

It would be nice if this were to be anything like Azumanga Daioh. Then again, I am not gonna hate the show if it ends up being something different. :p

Never seen Pani Poni Dash so I wont comment on that.

[WanderingKnight]

Never seen Pani Poni Dash so I wont comment on that.

I'll resume it as a high school comedy with a totally freaked out cast of characters which would hold no relation whatsoever to real life, if it weren't for the numerous humorous references to old-time anime and manga, most of which are difficult to get for young and non-Japanese people. But, you can at least enjoy the freakish, freakish characters and Shinbo's state-of-the-art directing style.

[Furudanuki]

Just one little question:

Hand on the heart, and be really honest!

If everything else would have stayed exactly the same, but this show had been done by "WhateverAnimation" instead of KyoAni, would you be here now?
That's hard to answer with a simple "yes" or "no". I knew nothing at all about Lucky☆Star before it was announced as "Kyoto Animation's next project". Because I'd enjoyed KyoAni's work so far it was dead certain that I would do some research and find out what this Lucky☆Star thing might be. Would I have done that research if not for the KyoAni connection? Maybe, maybe not - it would depend on where, how, or if I found out about the series in the first place. But I'm here now because most descriptions of Lucky☆Star I found ran along the lines of "a slice-of-life hybrid of Azumanga Daioh and Genshiken". Azumanga Daioh is one of my two or three favorite shows ever, I enjoyed Genshiken, and I love slice-of-life series in general. So KyoAni or not, I would be checking this series out.

[Matt Soulblade]

ZOMG The opening!!!! Its burning my head :X :X!!!!
I like it anyways :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Reading the lolikitsune blog others were talking about, I feel I must have been seperated from this guy at birth as we have the exact same policy on the concept of moe in anime taking the place of real character development and deflecting attention away from important aspects. Or rather "taking" in the past tense.

Alright then, he can take me sword and continue the fighting. Though now, I think he's fighting a phantom as he says its multiplying, but I've realized its retreating quite a bit from the 2004-2006 period. My theory is, if something now exists in small numbers and is no longer encroaching on the territory of my favourite genres, let it exist, plain and simple. I think he may have also wrote this one before he realized others felt the same way. If people are going to worship a series for the silly reasons like those he mentioned I say let them as long as they don't try to convince me otherwise, as they are lost causes and their time of absolute dominance as at an end. This is one of the weirdest days in my life. I think people are actually starting to tire of mindless moe at an accelerated pace, but is that what this series is about even? It has that counterbalance of something to complement the moe that the two previous Kyoto Animation series seemed to lack.

One things for certain, April 2007 has beyond any shadow of any doubt been a 100% revolution in anime. I think we may have truly hit another new age. So now its basically time to sit back and take potshots at the tropes of Moe and Loli culture Jon Stewart style as it can't hurt me anymore. Seems like this summer will be far more fun and not angry like the last one. As FDR once said and I think it applies regarding where Moe is now, "There is nothing to fear but fear itself", he was right and I was wrong for a good year.

[Lunacy]

I for myself would say: "No, I wouldn't be here." And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Too many shows of this style and kind have come and gone more or less unnoticed. If after translation, LS somehow makes it close to Azumanga level, great. So far, (not only) my impression doesn't point in this direction.

I can't help but feel the same way as Mentar after watching the first episode. I have read the first 4 chapters of Lucky Star manga prior to watching the anime, and I started to worry because I thought it was just plain and mediocre. But I still managed to remain excited and hopeful, thinking KyoAni would provide some sort of magic to Lucky Star just as J.C. Staff did for Azumanga Daioh. While I did enjoy Lucky Star for what it is, I can't help but feel something is missing. Perhaps, I hyped up myself too much prior to my viewing. I'm not sure.

Anyway, I am still hopeful and I think, things can go either way for Lucky Star. If anything, I will continue to watch this series just for Konata, alone.

[Sheba]

There are a fight against "moé"???

[Kaioshin Sama]

There are a fight against "moé"???

It was a good one. Basically me and lolikitsune feel (felt in my case) that Moe is (was in my case) taking the place of real character and plot development in anime because it was cheap and fairly easy to recycle the same character types such as Tsundere, Bookish, Kawaii, Loli and settings such as school, small town where magical things happen etc. over and over again and still have people like the characters and the storyline, buy all the DVD's and Merchandise and make the show a success, even though everything was essentially superficial. There's a whole movement called the superflat movement that aims to counter the degradtion of culture in Japan and it frequently targets the Moe aesthetic. I'm something of a veteran of this whole movement, but I don't think its necessary anymore.

You can ask me about the things I saw. I've been all over the internet reading blogs on the Moe aesthetic and opinions on shows where it was deemed to be important to the shows success for the past year and it was kind of scary for a while just how easily people seemed to be lead along (The thing that stuck out the most is nobody really seemed to care about the overall quality of the show as long as an aspect of the show catered to their favourite moe fetishes). It all seems so distant now though, but it was only about a month ago I was slugging it out with these people trying to explain why I felt they were being led along by the nose and that they were basically reversing the relationship so that they were working basically giving away there money to the company rather than the company working hard to earn it. Man do I ever sound like some sort of War Vet :p . Anyway I've gone home so to speak as a result of the sudden and abrupt return to a normal company/viewer relationship (possibly as a result of the otakus running out of money and the whole pandering style of Moe collapsing upon itself) and it seems like 5 blogs suddenly popped up to do the same thing I'd been doing for a year. Where the heck were you guys like five months ago when I was going John Rambo solo on the industry, when it was really truly necessary. :frustrated:

I wanted to show people an example of the type of comedy that goes into a series like Lucky Star, but the source website is down and thus I can't give my lesson. :( Maybe tomorrow.

[ShadowMercenary]

Oh, man forgot to post this here almost. Had to mention the nice GAII reference that they managed to put in the preview. I know it'll show up in full next episode, but this was my favorite sight in the preview.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Shadowlink/Spring%202007/galaxyangelinluckystar.png

[WanderingKnight]

It was a good one. Basically me and lolikitsune feel (felt in my case) that Moe is (was in my case) taking the place of real character and plot development in anime because it was cheap and fairly easy to recycle the same character types such as Tsundere, Bookish, Kawaii, Loli and settings such as school, small town where magical things happen etc. over and over again and still have people like the characters and the storyline

What you're describing fits more the typical bishoujo game stereotypes than moe stereotypes IMHO. The reason why you're seeing it more in anime is because anime adaptations of bishoujo game characters have been on the rise since bishoujo game designers found out that just making a game only with sex scenes was boring the public, and thus decided to give it a little twist--that twist is now old news, that's why it seems as a common stereotype now. But I hardly see the direct link with moe--although moe is a controversial enough term already. I'd rather see moe as one of the stereotypes of bishoujo games.

[Mirrinus]

How ironic, considering KyoAni's AIR is one of Lolikit's favorite anime, lol...

Anyway, the heat's sorta died down by now, and it seems Lucky☆Star may be able to slip under the radar for a while. At least, I hope so. Too much dorama indeed. ^_^

[Kaioshin Sama]

What you're describing fits more the typical bishoujo game stereotypes than moe stereotypes IMHO. The reason why you're seeing it more in anime is because anime adaptations of bishoujo game characters have been on the rise since bishoujo game designers found out that just making a game only with sex scenes was boring the public, and thus decided to give it a little twist--that twist is now old news, that's why it seems as a common stereotype now. But I hardly see the direct link with moe--although moe is a controversial enough term already. I'd rather see moe as one of the stereotypes of bishoujo games.

Whatever it was Lucky Star has become a lightening rod for a sort of delayed backlash against the whole thing. Maybe a new term is necessary to define what was being pushed during that period. You're right though the primary culprit was the Bishoujo games. That's been scaled back and perhaps that's why the whole moe-like thing has suddenly dried up. Lucky Star not being a bishoujo game like Kyoto Animation is used to adapting, Moe isn't likely to be the main driving point behind the series, but the comedy. On the topic of Haruhi, people are just pissed off that they can't have their Quiet Yuki, Crabby Haruhi and Cutesy Mikuru for at least another year. Though I'd argue there's fare more to the characters than that, that's what the people really want. Just talking about all this is making my head spin as it seems that everything is just a huge mess. It's almost like everything is guilty of something, but at the same time not guilty of anything. It's like the fans want light Moe and they get Lucky Star, but then they don't like it when its not Haruhi or something.

It's a paradox and a lack of commitment or true knowledge of what it is they want, within the fanbase. It's like how in video games when the company does the same thing over and over they get bitched at and then they do something different and get bitched at again. In this case Kyoto animation has gone with light moe comedy like Haruhi again so they get bitched at for the opening being pandering to that style, but then it's not Haruhi again so they get bitched at for it being a 4Koma instead of straight plot progression and the opening is hailed as being exactly like Haruhi' ending. And now that sentence just seems like there's a paradox within a paradox regarding the fans desires. It's.... ARRRRRRGH, it's like an bloody riddle!

[mukansa monkey]

I find all this talk about "Kyo Ani is god! No, KyoAni is teh suck now!" to verge on bizarre. On the one hand, it should have been obvious well in advance that this show is nothing like Haruhi, so to have really similar expectations from it seems really irrational. Even if someone's sole awareness of KyoAni is that they did Haruhi, how hard is it to look at a couple of the early pics posted in this thread and realize that it's something different? On the other hand, why are so many people's feelings about this show being driven by the opinions of near strangers posting on blogs? Does it being overrated or underrated actually matter that much? To misquote Yoda: "Watch, or do not watch. There is no fanbase power."

Mebbe people have really short memories on some of these forums or something. Like, who's automatically expecting Sunrise to produce crap, when this is the company that brought us Cowboy Bebop and Witch Hunter Robin? Or how about I show my age/span of time watching anime and say This is the company that made Dirty Pair!!! Maybe it's good to not pay too much attention to which staff people make what and just enjoy the shows. I liked Haruhi just fine without having a clue that most of the same people did Fumoffu, which I also enjoyed. Of course I also liked Mai Otome, so maybe my opinions are suspect... then again it'd been ages since I'd seen anything that reminded me of BGCrisis 2040, and I find Arika amusing in a Kodocha-like way.

I'm sure lots of people wouldn't be watching this show if KyoAni weren't the ones doing it, but I don't see a problem with that. The company has a reputation for far above average work on multiple levels, so not only does this suggest that this show will at least be decent as an anime, it suggests that they're picky enough not to take on lousy source material just to churn out some product that will make some kinda profit. This is particularly true if like me you're not already a fan of 4komas and slice of life stuff. There are also the people like velocity7 for whom the draw is the type of show, period. I don't think one reason is better than another for starting a show. Granted, I think it's nuts to watch the entire show and be unhappy with all of it, just because you're hoping fo a Haruhi-level moment or two.

As far as the OP goes, I'm more impressed by the song than the visuals. The character animations aren't all that good. Which is no surprise given the style and the source material, it wouldn't make sense to draw them super-detailed, but it limits how impressed I'm gonna be. The backgrounds are weirdly inconsistent, some of them have the "lovingly crafted art" level that so impressed in SHnY, and some of them are 30-second simple color gradients generated in Photoshop. On the other hand the music seems pretty creative to me, the shift into rap mode, then to more of a chant feel, the tempo change for the cheerleading sequence, and I'm counting at least three different time signatures. Not features you find in typical pop music. Judging from the copious screencaps (I'm waiting for subs to come out rather than frustrate myself with my lousy grasp of Japanese) much of the show itself has backgrounds done with a CG watercolor brush in rather short time. No surprise though that this is mostly about this dialogue, which alas I have to wait for.

[Furudanuki]

Maybe I'm denser than usual tonight. But let's see if I can get this straight.

Some people are apparently shocked and upset that Kyoto Animation took a slice-of-life 4-koma about female otaku featuring humor that will not appeal to everyone and adapted it into - oh! the horror! - a slice-of-life anime about female otaku featuring humor that will not appeal to everyone. Because of this the entire future of the anime industry has been altered, the moe subculture will collapse, and all anime will now have to feature more manly men instead of those annoying singing seiyuu.

OK, I guess I get it now. On second thought, no I don't.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I find all this talk about "Kyo Ani is god! No, KyoAni is teh suck now!" to verge on bizarre. On the one hand, it should have been obvious well in advance that this show is nothing like Haruhi, so to have really similar expectations from it seems really irrational. Even if someone's sole awareness of KyoAni is that they did Haruhi, how hard is it to look at a couple of the early pics posted in this thread and realize that it's something different? On the other hand, why are so many people's feelings about this show being driven by the opinions of near strangers posting on blogs? Does it being overrated or underrated actually matter that much? To misquote Yoda: "Watch, or do not watch. There is no fanbase power."

Mebbe people have really short memories on some of these forums or something. Like, who's automatically expecting Sunrise to produce crap, when this is the company that brought us Cowboy Bebop and Witch Hunter Robin? Or how about I show my age/span of time watching anime and say This is the company that made Dirty Pair!!! Maybe it's good to not pay too much attention to which staff people make what and just enjoy the shows. I liked Haruhi just fine without having a clue that most of the same people did Fumoffu, which I also enjoyed. Of course I also liked Mai Otome, so maybe my opinions are suspect... then again it'd been ages since I'd seen anything that reminded me of BGCrisis 2040, and I find Arika amusing in a Kodocha-like way.

I'm sure lots of people wouldn't be watching this show if KyoAni weren't the ones doing it, but I don't see a problem with that. The company has a reputation for far above average work on multiple levels, so not only does this suggest that this show will at least be decent as an anime, it suggests that they're picky enough not to take on lousy source material just to churn out some product that will make some kinda profit. This is particularly true if like me you're not already a fan of 4komas and slice of life stuff. There are also the people like velocity7 for whom the draw is the type of show, period. I don't think one reason is better than another for starting a show. Granted, I think it's nuts to watch the entire show and be unhappy with all of it, just because you're hoping fo a Haruhi-level moment or two.

As far as the OP goes, I'm more impressed by the song than the visuals. The character animations aren't all that good. Which is no surprise given the style and the source material, it wouldn't make sense to draw them super-detailed, but it limits how impressed I'm gonna be. The backgrounds are weirdly inconsistent, some of them have the "lovingly crafted art" level that so impressed in SHnY, and some of them are 30-second simple color gradients generated in Photoshop. On the other hand the music seems pretty creative to me, the shift into rap mode, then to more of a chant feel, the tempo change for the cheerleading sequence, and I'm counting at least three different time signatures. Not features you find in typical pop music. Judging from the copious screencaps (I'm waiting for subs to come out rather than frustrate myself with my lousy grasp of Japanese) much of the show itself has backgrounds done with a CG watercolor brush in rather short time. No surprise though that this is mostly about this dialogue, which alas I have to wait for.

Your idea sounds like a policy that would begin a utopia of anime fandom on the internet, but are you familiar with internet drama?

Some people can't live without it unfortunately. Basically it stipulates that nobody is allowed to have a moderate or reasonable opinion on internet forums, blogs or news boards and that everything is either black and white (a bit of a generalizing going on as this is untrue with many forums, it's more of an individual thing held in common between people than a group or forum thing, but bear with me). Thus, because currently Kyoto Animation is at the top of their game they are god and unfappable and because Sunrise had a tough break with GSD falling apart they are Satan and everything they does trainwrecks. Now that Kyoto Animation has tried something different animation style wise they are Satan and everybody wants you to know about it just like how everybody wanted you to know that they were God for creating Haruhi. This is an example of internet "drama". And you know, Kyoto Animation was popular because of the style they used, not really the quality, because they've got the same quality of adaptation here and attention to detail, but the manga-ka's style. So because the style's changed its suddenly a waste of resources. Does it make sense? Not at all, but unfortunately that's the way it seems to be in a lot of places.

To the guy above me, wait until tomorrow and look over my posts again. The reason its confusing is because I'm trying to make some sense of the fickle behaviour of the fanbase. Essentially the Moe subculture has already collapsed back a bit and manly men ARE making a comeback to fill the void. So it's a shared stage. Ok basically the first part up to "will not appeal to everyone" is part of the absurdity argument and the part beginning with "because of this" is what I feel has already happened and why people shouldn't worry anymore. Yet the worrying is coming after the fact on the five blogs Mirrinus posted. Get it?

[Jiji]

If we can get past the drama about the animation studio now, does anyone know if there's any group that has expressed an interest in this anime other than Mahora? Um, I'm not saying Mahora is bad, i'm just wondering is all...

[Skane]

Maybe I'm denser than usual tonight. But let's see if I can get this straight.

Some people are apparently shocked and upset that Kyoto Animation took a slice-of-life 4-koma about female otaku featuring humor that will not appeal to everyone and adapted it into - oh! the horror! - a slice-of-life anime about female otaku featuring humor that will not appeal to everyone. Because of this the entire future of the anime industry has been altered, the moe subculture will collapse, and all anime will now have to feature more manly men instead of those annoying singing seiyuu.

OK, I guess I get it now. On second thought, no I don't.
[Drama Drama]

:eek: IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!! :eek:

[/Drama Drama]

It's a bit hard to really comment on the first episode without knowing fully what is being said, but I do know that I was amused more by the later chapters of the manga material.

The... hostility between Konata and Kagami is one of the better interactions in Lucky Star in my opinion.

Cheers.

[Tokkan]

If we can get past the drama about the animation studio now, does anyone know if there's any group that has expressed an interest in this anime other than Mahora? Um, I'm not saying Mahora is bad, i'm just wondering is all...

Yes, a.f.k. has expressed interest.

[Mirrinus]

If we can get past the drama about the animation studio now, does anyone know if there's any group that has expressed an interest in this anime other than Mahora? Um, I'm not saying Mahora is bad, i'm just wondering is all...

a.f.k. will also be subbing it.

Edit: 2 seconds late...

[mukansa monkey]

Wow, I "would begin a utopia of anime fandom"? Damn I'm good. I'm all for drama, especially if it's written by Tom Stoppard, but Internet drama I tend to ignore or avoid. It's really not worth getting too worked up over what dumb and/or shallow people think, there's so many people in the world whose opinions simply aren't that valuable. Thus I heavily promote a policy of making up your own mind.

Odd though, the quality of KyoAni's work is what impresses me most about them. Ikept hitting the pause button while watching SHnY just so I could ogle the background art. And some of the scenes where they animate camera panning instead of a linear slide motion, forcing them to switch from 1 background to 12 different backgrounds a second? Gives me the shivers. My initial impression of the screencaps on moetron's site is that much of this show isn't going to have that kind of love given to it. Which matters less given the type of show it is... and it's also possible that with a big juicy h264 video the art quality will become a lot more obvious. I like Madhouse for vampire Hunter D and Otogi-Jushi Akazukin, I'm all about seeing craftsmanship regardless of the style.

Unfappable? To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that means what you think it means."

[animes25]

Hi guys, I want to make you a true weeaboo
I did this version that is 50% more slow so if you want to practice the dance you can do it with this video! hope it helps you to become another more loser who wants to do the dance live :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlTvfZuomM8

[Eleutheria]

Regarding episode 1:

If you don't 1) speak Japanese or 2) have lived in Japan for more than a month, you most probably will fall asleep during this episode. That said, even though I have both, I still found the episode merely "ok".

Perhaps I had inflated expectations, but the 4 koma itself doesn't get really funny or moe until the latter half of volume 1 or the start of volume 2.

[Jazzrat]

It's odd but i find this anime more likely to appeal to the female fan than male despite being published in a shounen magazine.

Atleast i know my sister would love this since she's a bit of an otaku herself (play games, watch anime and draws comic)

[CrowKenobi]

Just some random screen grabs from the open... :D

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7662/luckystar01iz7.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar01iz7.jpg) . http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/711/luckystar02qs1.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar02qs1.jpg) . http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/5021/luckystar03xx8.th.jpg (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar03xx8.jpg) . http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2739/luckystar04hr6.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar04hr6.jpg)

Edit: Lucky Star sig!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3653/asluckystarsigwr4.jpg

:cool:

[Nemo_N]

Can I make an avatar request here?

Could someone make an animated avatar of Konata eating the cone, around 5:20 - 5:24?

Thanks in advance!

[Skane]

The OP sounds downright creepy at 50% speed. :heh:

8-i5xmWqe2c
I bear no responsibility for incurred nightmares. :p

Cheers.

[Asrialys]

Nightmares? Gave me a laughing fit.

[Shinova]

It's a bunch of old men dancing in schoolgirl clothes!! Flee!!

It's hilarious.:D

[Kaoru Chujo]

Well, there have been over 5000 posts in the Lucky Star threads on 2channel in the past 17 hours or so, and the haters and the unconvinced appear to be running out of steam. Comments are falling into rough parity, or even slightly pro. For a while there, it looked like mass hysteria of a similar but opposite kind to the SHnY posts last year. I wonder if it's the same people.

I am struck that the anti-Hirano Aya feeling does not seem that strong. There were negative comments, but surprisingly few, considering that there is over a thread of anti-Aya posts on 2channel for every ten of the main Aya threads, and she has the second-highest number of anti- threads of any female seiyuu (after Mizuki Nana). Some people prefaced their remarks with: "I hate Hirano, but..." A couple of people said that they were uneasy about her in the role but she was good. People also had few complaints about the other seiyuu, despite the fact that 2channel is generally highly suspicious of inexperienced seiyuu.

I didn't read everything, just skimmed a couple of threads, so I might have missed things, but that's how it seemed to me. By the way, the male seiyuu with the highest number of anti- threads appear to be Suzumura Kenichi (Shinn Asuka) and Konishi Katsuyuki (Sergay Wang).

The main complaints continue to be that the show is not funny and nothing special, and seem to take delight in saying KyoAni has taken a step backward.

[Skane]

Can I make an avatar request here?

Could someone make an animated avatar of Konata eating the cone, around 5:20 - 5:24?

Thanks in advance!
Will this do?

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8805/ep01konata256ctw9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.

[Nemo_N]

Will this do?

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8805/ep01konata256ctw9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.

Wow! That was fast! Thank you so much!

[kj1980]

By the way, how many of you here actually read the manga by Yoshimizu Kagami? There's a whole lot of difference in knowing the original manga and knowing what to expect from the anime - and in this case KyoAni did a good adaptation of bringing out the subtleness from the manga.

The yuru~i and mata~ri (very loose and laid back) -ness that was as described and marketed on the manga was exactly that - the anime itself was yuru~i and mata~ri wwww.

Well, except for the OP and the spurt-my-milk-from-my-mouth laughter of selecting Kyodain for the ED wwww I wonder if they'll continue to have each of the girls sing some otaku-ish theme song at every ED from now on? My personal rave would by listening to one of the girls sing the OP to the Uchuu Keiji series like Gyaban wwww


Plus, they've managed to add in some more expansions to some of the neta (the punchlines?) with "how to eat a puff cream" "how to eat the strawberry shortcake" "how do you eat a curry rice" etc. Especially the curry rice made me chuckle as I've never heard of putting mayo into curry or on an oyako-don. (note to self: must try that sometime!)

Many of these are a subtle jokes would be difficult for a non-Japanese person to understand. Some examples:

Konata adds sauce to curry, whereas Tsukasa adds mayo
Reference to curry rice being a favorite dish among the majority of Japanese households, and each household has different ways of eating and "tasting it up" with various secret recipes. By the way, my household way is adding in slices of apples and instant coffee before adding in the rou.

Kagami reading a newspaper on recent weirdos
Confinement kidnappings were heavily put on the news in Japan in which they all happen to be weirdos which further put demise to the otaku stereotype that we are all losers. But, what Konata says is partly true - some idiots can't distinguish what's real and what's not.


BTW, I was surprised they even let Patricia Martin into the OP. And I am absolutely looking foward to hear Minorin's portrayal of Minami-chan.

[Nemo_N]

... My personal rave would by listening to one of the girls sing the OP to the Uchuu Keiji series like Gyaban wwww...

I'm betting on classic anime songs; not that I know many :heh: . Or maybe more recent ones: Cruel Angel Thesis, Dota Bata Angel Loop (hey, I can dream) or even Hare Hare Yukai; since Konata is supposed to be a hardcore otaku, it would be weird if she didn't sing it :) .

Of course, assuming they will make this karaoke ending every episode.

[Daniel E.]

Just some random screen grabs from the open... :D

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/711/luckystar02qs1.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar02qs1.jpg)

:cool:

Cute girls with glasses FTW. :)

She is the one that looks the most moe to me right now.

Her name is Miyuki, right?

[Mirrinus]

By the way, how many of you here actually read the manga by Yoshimizu Kagami? There's a whole lot of difference in knowing the original manga and knowing what to expect from the anime - and in this case KyoAni did a good adaptation of bringing out the subtleness from the manga.

The yuru~i and mata~ri (very loose and laid back) -ness that was as described and marketed on the manga was exactly that - the anime itself was yuru~i and mata~ri wwww.

Well, except for the OP and the spurt-my-milk-from-my-mouth laughter of selecting Kyodain for the ED wwww I wonder if they'll continue to have each of the girls sing some otaku-ish theme song at every ED from now on? My personal rave would by listening to one of the girls sing the OP to the Uchuu Keiji series like Gyaban wwww


Plus, they've managed to add in some more expansions to some of the neta (the punchlines?) with "how to eat a puff cream" "how to eat the strawberry shortcake" "how do you eat a curry rice" etc. Especially the curry rice made me chuckle as I've never heard of putting mayo into curry or on an oyako-don. (note to self: must try that sometime!)

Many of these are a subtle jokes would be difficult for a non-Japanese person to understand. Some examples:

Konata adds sauce to curry, whereas Tsukasa adds mayo
Reference to curry rice being a favorite dish among the majority of Japanese households, and each household has different ways of eating and "tasting it up" with various secret recipes. By the way, my household way is adding in slices of apples and instant coffee before adding in the rou.

Kagami reading a newspaper on recent weirdos
Confinement kidnappings were heavily put on the news in Japan in which they all happen to be weirdos which further put demise to the otaku stereotype that we are all losers. But, what Konata says is partly true - some idiots can't distinguish what's real and what's not.

Thanks, I always find your explanations really helpful. ^_^

I agree with you in that those who have actually seen the original source material (such as myself) probably wouldn't have had unreasonable expectations, and thus were able to better enjoy the show for what it is, not what Kyoto Animation's past works have been. I got the same feeling from watching this that I get when I see an episode of Azumanga Daioh. AzuDai doesn't really make me laugh out loud, but I easily go through the whole episode with a smile on my face, as I can't help but smile at it. So long as Lucky☆Star accomplishes that, I'll be happy. It probably won't end up as my favorite anime or anything, but quite frankly I'm not really all that interested in this season's new shows anyway (I can't help it, I just don't appreciate mecha or romantic comedies all that much...), so I'll still be following this (and Hayate, I guess).

[Lunacy]

I personally enjoyed the food bit, especially, about chococorone... :heh: I used to eat that as a child and wondered the same thing: "which is is the head and which side should I eat from?". And I have always referred to chococorone as mothra, larvae form, so, I am more than fascinated with Konata since we are identical.

As for curry, I like to put scrambled egg over mine.. weird, I know.

As for the ED, it would be interesting to hear random tokusatsu songs.

[Level E]

By the way, how many of you here actually read the manga by Yoshimizu Kagami?
I do and I love it :D

I thought the anime was a good adaption and the ongoing talk about ways to eat various pastry an interesting add-on... But I just can't wait for Izumi Papa and Tanaka Mama to make the scene.

Heh, they even gave color to Minoru-kun. :p

BTW is Sauce = Oyster or Tonkatsu?

Curry Recipe here
Adding milk, apple and honey

Also in the OP
何か分　何勝てる　愛してる　アレ１個が違ってるんるん
悩みん坊来い　鉄棒　おいしん棒　いい加減にしなさい！

Is this some type of word game? アレ１個が違ってるんるん
I don't get the reference there...

[~Tsukuyomi]

The OP sounds downright creepy at 50% speed. :heh:

8-i5xmWqe2c
I bear no responsibility for incurred nightmares. :p

Cheers.

Wow, its sound so demonic... I like it... The dance looks like something voodo also...

On the topic of curry, I like to have in on rice AND noodles and hot sauce...

On another topic, I would like an avatar request where Konata repeatedly punches the foreigner... Just have it regularly punch it... Don't really have to get all of Mr. Foreigner...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, there have been over 5000 posts in the Lucky Star threads on 2channel in the past 17 hours or so, and the haters and the unconvinced appear to be running out of steam. Comments are falling into rough parity, or even slightly pro. For a while there, it looked like mass hysteria of a similar but opposite kind to the SHnY posts last year. I wonder if it's the same people.

I am struck that the anti-Hirano Aya feeling does not seem that strong. There were negative comments, but surprisingly few, considering that there is over a thread of anti-Aya posts on 2channel for every ten of the main Aya threads, and she has the second-highest number of anti- threads of any female seiyuu (after Mizuki Nana). Some people prefaced their remarks with: "I hate Hirano, but..." A couple of people said that they were uneasy about her in the role but she was good. People also had few complaints about the other seiyuu, despite the fact that 2channel is generally highly suspicious of inexperienced seiyuu.

I didn't read everything, just skimmed a couple of threads, so I might have missed things, but that's how it seemed to me. By the way, the male seiyuu with the highest number of anti- threads appear to be Suzumura Kenichi (Shinn Asuka) and Konishi Katsuyuki (Sergay Wang).

The main complaints continue to be that the show is not funny and nothing special, and seem to take delight in saying KyoAni has taken a step backward.

Unfortunately things never really even out on 2Channel as far as I can tell. They'll all be back next week to do the same thing again. The one thing that amuses me the most is that like every topic exceeds the 1000 post mark in like an hour and all I ever see are these really short post which I can only assume is a back and forth flame war going on between the people. The Anti-Threads I assume are some sort of attempt to counter the usual threads for the sake of doing so. To me you can't win an argument just by creating a topic soley for the sake of bashing somebody you probably don't even know, it just starts flame wars and cross-thread raids. I can't really take anything 2Channel says seriously, I'm sorry. It seems likes its all just one big mess of "I hate Aya Hirano", "Bloody Gaijin I hate you I will do so and so to your children", "This was crap", "Kyoto Animation Forever". I mean I can only assume, but this is the impression I get whenever somebody mentions something happening over there.

I'm looking at part 13 right now and you know, they are talking about the air times and then the opening, and out of nowhere is an ASCII art of the Emperor of Brittania and then some guy gives his ASCII art of approval and then ASCII of Izumi and then Nanoha for some reason and the Emperor again and then a Kyon ASCII of him expressing dissaproval. It's just chaos. Basically you'll get the one guy posting random stuff about the show and another countering it with something that has nothing to do with anything regarding why the show sucks compared to so and so and repeat for as long as one can hold out.

[Mirrinus]

Unfortunately things never really even out on 2Channel as far as I can tell. They'll all be back next week to do the same thing again. The one thing that amuses me the most is that like every topic exceeds the 1000 post mark in like an hour and all I ever see are these really short post which I can only assume is a back and forth flame war going on between the people. The Anti-Threads I assume are some sort of attempt to counter the usual threads for the sake of doing so. To me you can't win an argument just by creating a topic soley for the sake of bashing somebody you probably don't even know, it just starts flame wars and cross-thread raids. I can't really take anything 2Channel says seriously, I'm sorry. It seems likes its all just one big mess of "I hate Aya Hirano", "Bloody Gaijin I hate you I will do so and so to your children", "This was crap", "Kyoto Animation Forever". I mean I can only assume, but this is the impression I get whenever somebody mentions something happening over there.

This is EXACTLY why I don't ever bother to read 2-chan. Gee, I'm agreeing with Kaioshin_dono an awful lot today, no?

In completely unrelated news (http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2007/04/08/a-follow-up-to-the-madness/).

[Nightengale]

I think the main problem or negativity stemming from Kyoto Animation's seemingly not-as-great-as-thought-it-would-be Lucky Star that's overshadowed by the OP is that not many is extremely familiar with the manga and it's style or execution within the 4-koma jokes. Granted, I don't read it, but from what I've heard, it's more subtle and pokes random fun at the little things in society and daily life from a bunch of game-girl otakus.

I'm not sure if this is a proper comparison... but those who watch Sunrise adaptions know that they tend to take subtle, sometimes not even subtle jokes or puns and flamboyantly grinds them to the ground and gives it out with a bang. It's not wholely "faithful" to the original source material for most parts, but it's more astethically pleasing as people would get bored as well if Sunrise faithfully adapted Yakitate Japan with simple puns and scientific explainations. As for Kyoto Animation, they seem to be going the "subtle" route that for it's sacrifice of excitingness or comedy in a more open air, captures how the manga's feel was?

Or maybe some people were expecting Kyou no Go no Ni instead? :P

As for curry, I like to put scrambled egg over mine.. weird, I know.

:confused:

I thought the joke was on how the curry was prepared instead of what we eat curry with? I like adding milk and slices of apple when making the curry. It's not a common practice in Southeast Asia, but I blame manga for making me and my grandma experiment with our cooking....and using my parents as kitchen lab rats.:heh:

I demand ULTRAMAN SONG!

[Kaoru Chujo]

... I can't really take anything 2Channel says seriously, I'm sorry. It seems likes its all just one big mess of "I hate Aya Hirano", "Bloody Gaijin I hate you I will do so and so to your children", "This was crap", "Kyoto Animation Forever". I mean I can only assume, but this is the impression I get whenever somebody mentions something happening over there.I'm not reporting the good stuff, I guess, but there is lots of everything, good and bad. For example, with everyone here and there totally confused by Touka Gettan, there have been some good explanations posted there, and sensible discussion. And there are sensible posts for and against Lucky Star sandwiched among the dross. People just ignore the posts that don't interest them, I think.

[dkellis]

Then again, I'm kinda glad in a way that a lot of people are dismissing this show. That just means people won't be running around complaining about how overrated it is, and I can enjoy it in peace.

Actually, I'm predicting, based on trends I've already seen in various other anime threads (SHnY being the most obvious, but I've also seen it in Manabi Straight and Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha and definitely in Mai HiME), some people who don't like the show will continue to watch it anyway, entirely because they want to stick around doing nothing but slam the show.

I have no clue why they do this. The most common reason given is "balance", which I think kind of defeats the purpose of being a fan in the first place.

To answer other questions: I would probably not have heard of Lucky Star as soon as I did if it weren't for KyoAni. I would probably have tagged it as "try it and see" once I looked at various bloggers' Spring season picks. I would probably have grabbed the raw when it came out, since I do it for most new anime nowadays.

And KyoAni or otherwise, I'd definitely have stayed with it and fell in love with it just as I am right now.

It's amazing how painful it feels when something which I like is bashed to bits for not conforming to the "accepted high-class taste" or some such.

[Kaioshin Sama]

This is EXACTLY why I don't ever bother to read 2-chan. Gee, I'm agreeing with Kaioshin_dono an awful lot today, no?

In completely unrelated news (http://www.minaidehazukashii.com/hinano/2007/04/08/a-follow-up-to-the-madness/).

I think what the people posting in the comment section don't realize is that its another slight. He's basically saying the show is no more funny than an episode of Benny Hill.

To the guy above: It's cause it isn't like Haruhi (Animation and character-wise) that's its being bashed to bits I think. There are no Key fans to back them up on this one like there were with Kanon and Air though , which lacked Haruhi. I have a strong feeling everybody felt Konata was the next Haruhi and they expected lots of shouting, bullying and bossiness from Aya Hirano's Izumi, who's really just kind of a dumb otaku that goes Muuuuuuuuu.......

I swear Kyoto Animation is parodying themselves or the impression they give by making this choice of series though. Just think about it for a second and it kind of makes sense both regarding the simplisitic almost superflat style animation and the characters that are so in your face moe at times it can't be a coincidence. The show feels like SD KyoAni, if only they had actually made Lucky Star in the first place.

[Skane]

~ On another topic, I would like an avatar request where Konata repeatedly punches the foreigner... Just have it regularly punch it... Don't really have to get all of Mr. Foreigner...
Two versions. The former is slightly slower at 20fps, while the latter follows the anime speed at 25fps.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9159/ep01konata02256c20fpsvm3.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7678/ep01konata02256c25fpsma8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.

[Lunacy]

:confused:

I thought the joke was on how the curry was prepared instead of what we eat curry with? I like adding milk and slices of apple when making the curry. It's not a common practice in Southeast Asia, but I blame manga for making me and my grandma experiment with our cooking....and using my parents as kitchen lab rats.:heh:

I demand ULTRAMAN SONG!

I have no special way to prepare my curry, that is why I shared my bizarre scrambled egg curry. I didn't mean to confuse anyone. :heh: Milk, apple, honey, aren't those ingridients in curry pretty common in Japan? I heard goat milk does wonders, though.
*sorry I love talking about food*

Ultraman song would be pretty funny to hear Konata sing. :D

I think, Lucky Star will get more interesting as the series continues.. From what I hear she starts working at a Maid Cafe? Oh, that will be fun.

[Level E]

I have no special way to prepare my curry, that is why I Ultraman song would be pretty funny to hear Konata sing. :D

Did you miss the reference in the OP? :p

[Skane]

The following is not AnimeSuki-friendly and was purely made for my own amusement.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8712/ep01konata03256ckn7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Personally, I am flabbergasted that they poured so much detail into that one scene. It was practically animated at a full 24 frames per second (most animes are 8fps, with the good ones usually at 12fps. Beggar productions are 6fps). Yes, you read that right. An OVA-level framerate for a parody of Streetfighter. :heh:

If you thought that marble in Kanon was overkill... :heh:

Cheers.

[Nightengale]

Did you miss the reference in the OP? :p

How many even noticed, I wonder? :heh:

That's the favourite part of the OP for me, 2nd being the purple haired girl walking like she's some anime character at the temple walkway. Paradox lol.

Maybe we'll see Konata : ~ "she was getting harrased by some Baltan cosplayer and I specium-beamed his ass".

[Tokkan]

The following is not AnimeSuki-friendly and was purely made for my own amusement.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8712/ep01konata03256ckn7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Personally, I am flabbergasted that they poured so much detail into that one scene. It was practically animated at a full 24 frames per second (most animes are 8fps, with the good ones usually at 12fps. Beggar productions are 6fps). Yes, you read that right. An OVA-level framerate for a parody of Streetfighter. :heh:

If you thought that marble in Kanon was overkill... :heh:

Cheers.

I'd like to use that for an avatar over at a forum where that's perfectly within the rules for avatars (i.e. not here). May I?

[Skane]

I'd like to use that for an avatar over at a forum where that's perfectly within the rules for avatars (i.e. not here). May I?
Sure, go ahead.

Cheers.

[Lunacy]

Did you miss the reference in the OP? :p

Ultraman or curry reference? :confused:

Konata: "じゃ。。ｶﾚｰﾗｲｽはどうしてる？ﾙｳとﾗｲｽはまぜてたべる？”　(sorry not good with kanji)

I personally thought Konata was asking "do you mix rice and the sauce before eating?" meaning do you like to blend before eating or keep it clean? If I got the wrong impression than please do correct me.

If it's some Ultraman reference, no I did not get it. I have watched a few Ultraman episodes, a long time ago, but not enough to spot any hardcore reference. But I would love for you to point some out for me. =)

Edit: Nvm.. I just watched it and saw Konata with the arm pose. Funny. lol You guys have good eyes. I'm impressed. =P

[Riker]

If you thought that marble in Kanon was overkill... :heh:

I'm suprised you didn't comment about the CG pom-pons in the OP. :3

[Skane]

I'm suprised you didn't comment about the CG pom-pons in the OP. :3
OPs and EDs get a free pass since they are the OPs and EDs.

Natch.

[Pellissier]

Some gifs from the OP :)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3491/luckystar101hr1.gif http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7743/luckystar102tv0.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2219/luckystar103vj2.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8370/luckystar104jl4.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/734/luckystar105te9.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9135/luckystar106mv7.gif

[lil-d01]

O.O! Can I use one of your gifs, Pellissier? Will credit. =3

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i didn"t see the first episode yet
but i did see the opening for lucky star
and it looks like a good show!
anyways anyone seen the reference to Haruhi when they showed the shows title in the opening sequence??

[Pellissier]

O.O! Can I use one of your gifs, Pellissier?
Sure, go ahead :)

[lil-d01]

^^ Thanks, would've repped you (even though it probably just be 'null') but seems like I repped you before. :heh: You must be everywhere.

[herbert]

I just wonder if Tsukasa's habit of putting mayonnaise on all kinds of food can be counted as a reference toHijikata's mayonnaise complex in Gintama

Edit: did some gif
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9012/511xn6.gifhttp://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3082/513bs8.gif

[bayoab]

Also in the OP
何か分　何勝てる　愛してる　アレ１個が違ってるんるん
悩みん坊来い　鉄棒　おいしん棒　いい加減にしなさい！

Is this some type of word game? アレ１個が違ってるんるん
I don't get the reference there...I don't think it's completely possible to make sense of the op lyrics until the official lyrics are out. This is only the n+1st version of those two lines that I've seen in the last 24 hours. (i.e. Everyone hears something different and everyone thinks theirs is right.) Nobody can agree on what goes before that line except that the one before it is Aishiteru.

[dspr8_rugged]

Saw the infamous OP. I now understand why this anime is compared to another KyoAni anime. Heck, that was just the OP.

Cute girls with glasses FTW. :)

She is the one that looks the most moe to me right now.

Her name is Miyuki, right?
Haha. At least I'm not the only one who is into cute girls with glasses. I do agree that she's the most moe among the main cast. :p

[Level E]

Ultraman or curry reference? :confused:

Watch the OP carefully. It's really short.


http://www.webraw.com/blog/ultraman.jpg
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[Asrialys]

Watch the OP carefully. It's really short.


http://www.webraw.com/blog/ultraman.jpg
top right

I noticed that, but I didn't know where it was from. I was wondering why she did that. lol Now I know.

[Skane]

After rewatching selective parts of Ep01, I really, really want to know what is being said in the Lucky Channel segment. I am hoping that they will dare to use that segment to let the VAs voice their grievances in the guise of their characters. :heh:

Cheers.

[Daniel E.]

Great work on those avatars Pelli. :)

I was thinking in making some myself, but you beat to the punch by a few miles. :heh:

[Quarkboy]

After rewatching selective parts of Ep01, I really, really want to know what is being said in the Lucky Channel segment. I am hoping that they will dare to use that segment to let the VAs voice their grievances in the guise of their characters. :heh:

Cheers.

Lucky Channel!
A: Good morning-ki!
A: Finally, Lucky Channel is starting! It's a new television channel!
A: Please to meet you on television, hello!
A: I'm your beautiful host, Akira!
S: I'm Shiraishi.
A: Who?
A: Just kidding! This person is going to help me out, Shiraishi Minoru-san!
A: *fanfare*
S: I get to be Akira-sama's assistant, Shiraishi Minoru. Hi.
A: Ohh? Shiraishi-san, you're so stiff!
A: You're finally on tv, so loosen up!
S: Sorry... You don't have to tell me...
A: Okay, moving right along, our viewers have sent congratulation postcards!
S: Right. Um... Beriko Daisukikko-san from Osaka sent this:
S: Congratulations on the new television channel Lucky Channel.
A: Sankyuu desu!
S: Also, I have a question for Akira-san.
S: Akira-san is known as a super idol, so how much do idol's get paid? Please tell me.
A: Pay?
S: Yes.
S: Quite a direct question, this one.
A: Well, you see...
A: Why the hell is he asking me that?
S: Akira-sama...
A: Fine, if you want to know, I'll tell you.
A: I'll get straight to the point.
A: The pay itself can be fine, but you figure in the kickbacks to the office...
A: I'm still on a fixed pay scale, it's a total scam... (not sure about this line)
A: And I've been doing this job since I was 3, but it's all gone into my parent's pockets.
A: All I've ever gotten was pocket money! And it was only a pittance!
A: Oh yeah, lately my mom went and bought a brand name bag...
A: Could that have been, maybe, this television program's pay?
A: You've got to be f*ckin' kiddin' me!
A: (????) (sorry, these lines are beyond my ability to dicipher :) )

A: Uwa! No! It's time to go already! I'm so sad...

I'm tired... enough...

[monir]

I'm also getting annoyed by these kind of posting. Is it really necessary for everyone to adore a show to post in a thread? Isn't there any room for any kind of criticism? What is more annoying is that how some of the posters do not mind for a second to call out certain posters by their names who dared highlighting something negative about a show these particular posters adore. It's ultimately lack sensibility, and not to mention, advertises egocentricism. I've read Npal, I've read Daniel, I've read 7th, I've read Kaioshin.. and I'm grateful to them for their views, because I certainly didn't think they were talking out of their ass. I might have disagreed with them, but their posts have ultimately forced me to consider the alternate viewpoints.

Sorry for this off topicness. It needed to be said because there has been a trend going on for sometime now already where we seem to get this particular conversation often in threads and forums dedicated to certain shows. This isn't a fruitful discussion. If I want to post my thoughts and viewpoints, then I certainly need to understand and tolerate a different set of viewpoints that may be out there. Different set of viewpoints that are shared by minority of fans do not make them troll.

Anyway, I apologize once again for the off topicness. To be briefly on-topic, have yet to see it, but Skane's gif and Quarkboy's post have me mighty interested.

[Sheba]

Wait, wasn't Shiraishi Minoru the Taniguchi's voice actor?

[kenjiharima]

WOW!!!
Finally a RAW EPISODE!!!
I just got hooked to this new anime it's so cool!!!
When I first saw Kona-chan, It was love at 1st sight!!! Ahhhh~~!!!


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/kona-chan-lick_big.gif

[Lunacy]

Watch the OP carefully. It's really short.


http://www.webraw.com/blog/ultraman.jpg
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Yes.. I watched the OP after your post and during my last post and spotted it! It was so funny to see. It would have been even funnier if Konata did Ultraseven's emerium beam pose, you know, with two fingers from each hand near the forehead.. :heh:

[kj1980]

How to tell the core KyoAni animators REALLY are on vacation; I've already spotted something of an animation inconsistency in the OP itself.

Look at Konata's hair in the first few seconds of the crazy Rakisuta dance. It's butt-length, as far as I can tell.

Now fast-forward to the cheerleading scene. And it is there I'm going to ask all of you; how come her hair has grown to Tsuruya-style heel-length, all of a sudden?!

All of the key genga-ka are still present - just look at the credits. You need to get out of your head that genga-man makes tons of money - even though Kyo