Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[capture]

a.f.k version is out...

hmmm wandering what's the difference between the s-f and a.f.k.... :)

the lucky channel part is nice :D

[Daniel E.]

Excellent!

Of course, now I'm at a loss since all the good Akira scenes have been GIF-ified before I got to it. :upset:
(Hey, those images look really clean. Which raw did you use?)

I think is more about Pellissier's skill than anything else; Of course, a good source always helps. :)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5916/luckygifkh5.gif

Hmmm.. looks kinda stange. :heh:

[Matt Soulblade]

I just saw a trailer for this, it could very well be the hidden gem of this season. the little blue hair girl is crazy, i love it.

I think you are a little late for the -hidden- part :heh:

BTW, afk version downloading.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ooooooh! The avatar's are in place now. Wonder if I should change my avatar to something or other. Can't decide.

[WanderingKnight]

STOLEN!

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4897/luckystar1akira13wz3.gif

Thanks in advance.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well since I usually recognize people's posts initially by avatar this is going to be really screwy for a few months. Please excuse me if I call anybody by somebody elses name for the next two weeks. This is why even though I swap avatar's frequently I try to make it as obscure and original as possible.

In fact now if I ever want to use a Lucky Star character in an avatar, by principle I'll have to go with one of the unpopular characters. As Eric Cartman once said: Screw You Guy's, Hate You Guy's! :joke:

[tritoch]

She's in the ~130cm height range :D that Kona 女

[Valsu]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5102/konata0101wl0.gif

Taking this, thanks :D

[Raniie]

a.f.k version is out...

hmmm wandering what's the difference between the s-f and a.f.k.... :)

the lucky channel part is nice :D

Well that's obvious. :p

Very good typesetting, translations, and timing. I can understand the karaoke is quite hard to time, since it's a really fast pace to slow pace song. Also, sometime the dialogues are spoken so quickly that, the subtitle can often time don't get enough screentime to read it. Overall, a.f.k. is doing another excellent release.

[cmage]

I love the karaoke on a.f.k.'s release. At first I went :twitch: at how fast it all went, but now I appreciate that they can make sense of what they're saying. :heh: The lyrics seem completely random, too, but I really hope a.f.k.'s are close to the actual ones. That level of randomness is too wonderful to not be real. ;)

[JediNight]

I tried making my own animated GIF of Kona eating the pastry, but I couldn't figure out a good part to loop. Thats a good job there.

[toxic_trance]

yes..finally a.f.k releases the episode. have been waiting for this series for quite some time now. And what can i say, the OPENING sequence is simply kick ass. Loved how they made it like a Rap song, and the dance was very kakkoi. Characters are moe-overloaded. So i m not complaining. The episode starts out with quite a low pace comedy, but gradually starts becoming better, by the end i was having quite a bit of laughs. I m guessing this series wont be a laughter riot, but u will definitely have a smile on ur face throughout the episode.

So on a whole I will stick to the series and leave by saying

>.< "DARLING! DARLING! PLEASE" :heh:

[syniel]

Maybe because it's loli girls and their discussing about Otaku stuff that is not suitable for ages 10 below or 13 below. :D

Either way Iam 100% hooked!!! Haruhi has passed the troch to Kona-chan~~!!! :heh:

It went beyond my Japanese parsing ability for the most part, as well. .. but ironically I thought it was at it's funniest when the pace was at it's craziest. The street fighter fight scene was hysterical and I adore the OP.

As for the torch being passed.. I don't know; Haruhi has some totally huge shoes to fill :)

[Sorrow-K]

Ep 1.

First things first, that has got to be the greatest OP sequence ever. Seriously.

I enjoyed that. It's got that surreal nothing-happens type humour that Azumanga absolutely mastered and while, at this stage this isn't as good as that, it's not bad. I think Hidamari Sketch is the benchmark for this... if this manages to be as funny and enjoyable as that, then I'd consider this a wild success. Needless to say, that's a high benchmark.

But, I have my eye on the director. This is the first time since FMP:TSR that Ishihara isn't at the helm of a KyoAni project, and I think it's more than safe to say now that he has immense talent and a proven track record. Yamamoto Hiroshi doesn't (have a proven track record, that is). Obviously it's one thing to have KyoAni in charge of animation, and we all know that they have a near impeccable track record as far as that's concerned, but it's the director that has a greater control over the creative components of the project, and thus more of the responsibility lies with him, as far as pulling off a good or bad anime is concerned. Obviously, in 26 episodes time, we'll know for certain whether Yamamoto has the talent to make it happen here.

Should be good. Obviously this is one of those series that has a very limited appeal, but it appears to be right up my alley. I'd expect it to get better, but it certainly hasn't started badly.

[Skane]

The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts on Ep01:
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The OP is insane. I haven't had to apply speed-reading skills for some time now. :heh: Loving the lyrics.
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Unsurprisingly, the food segment was a whole lot smoother once I actually understood what they were talking about. Scarily, for some of the conversation, I actually have had similar talks with my friends before; especially on the issue of various cooking methods.

"SALT!"
"NO SALT!"
*cue half-an-hour argument over the merits of adding salt*

(Yes folks, there ARE men who know how to cook and like to talk about it too)
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Some of the transitions between conversation topics was a bit abrupt, but it can also be viewed as a realistic example of casual banter between friends which can wildly derail without a moment's notice.
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Kagami is love. She is shaping up to be my favourite character in Lucky Star. Her remarks on the other girls are often a riot, and she is hilarious when she loses her composure, such as the time she screeched at Miyuki after the physical examination. :heh:
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Lucky Channel remains my favourite part of the episode. For those who do not know yet, the male presenter is the VA of Taniguchi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=14922) from "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu".
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It has been mentioned before already, but I too imagined Akira taking out a smoke when she went into that guttural tone of voice.
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I am hoping that Lucky Channel will continue, and that they use it as a platform to poke fun at the whole anime industry as a whole. :heh: Self-deprecating humour is wonderful when done right.
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For those wondering about the song that Konata is singing in the ED...

zxywjURzHYgUchû Tetsujin Kyodain (1976)

ADD] Some Quotes: :heh:

Kagami: "Is this woman a Saint?! That would've never occured to me!"

Cheers.

[CrowKenobi]

Uchû Tetsujin Kyodain (1976)
Cheers.You, my friend, get a cookie from me for the cheesy video! :heh: Just think if the Power Rangers were based off of this... :D

:cool:

[Kaioshin Sama]

The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts on Ep01:
---- ----

The OP is insane. I haven't had to apply speed-reading skills for some time now. :heh: Loving the lyrics.
.
Unsurprisingly, the food segment was a whole lot smoother once I actually understood what they were talking about. Scarily, for some of the conversation, I actually have had similar talks with my friends before; especially on the issue of various cooking methods.

"SALT!"
"NO SALT!"
*cue half-an-hour argument over the merits of adding salt*

(Yes folks, there ARE men who know how to cook and like to talk about it too)
.
Some of the transitions between conversation topics was a bit abrupt, but it can also be viewed as a realistic example of casual banter between friends which can wildly derail without a moment's notice.
.
Kagami is love. She is shaping up to be my favourite character in Lucky Star. Her remarks on the other girls are often a riot, and she is hilarious when she loses her composure, such as the time she screeched at Miyuki after the physical examination. :heh:
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Lucky Channel remains my favourite part of the episode. For those who do not know yet, the male presenter is the VA of Taniguchi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=14922) from "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu".
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It has been mentioned before already, but I too imagined Akira taking out a smoke when she went into that guttural tone of voice.
.
I am hoping that Lucky Channel will continue, and that they use it as a platform to poke fun at the whole anime industry as a whole. :heh: Self-deprecating humour is wonderful when done right.
.
For those wondering about the song that Konata is singing in the ED...

zxywjURzHYgUchû Tetsujin Kyodain (1976)

ADD] Some Quotes: :heh:

Kagami: "Is this woman a Saint?! That would've never occured to me!"

Cheers.

Ah it's a 70's Metal Hero show eh. I hope she sings the opening to Uchu Senkan Yamato. This is honestly the first time I can remember since the Legend of The Galactic Heroes episode of Haruhi that anything Kyoto Animation has done can in any way be construed as manly. Kudos are in order to Kyoto Animation for finally trying to reach out to an area of the market that isn't affiliated soley with moe again. Well they won my vote for at least a little while as long as they keep up the nostalgic openings that's more than enough to offset any amount of moe that may get grating during the gags.

See it's not that hard to get me to like something, the companies just have to try and show they care, like they have been lately.

Let's get em started:

Saraba chikyuu yo tabidatsu fune wa
Uchuu senkan yamato
Uchuu no kanata Isukanderu e
Unmei seoi ima tobidatsu
Kanarazu koko e kaette kuruto
Te wo furu hito ni egao de kotae

[Vexx]

She's in the ~130cm height range :D that Kona 女

If that's true, she's *really* a little doll for a 17yr old (my wife is 150cm). As far as the references Kona makes, she's quite unencumbered by "gender expectations" that the industry tries to channel on her. Shounen, shojo, fighting games, moe, you name it she does it :)

In some regard, she reminds me a bit of my older son's girlfriend in personality (however, she's tall and white) -- console gamer, D&D'r, MMOer, FPSer, SCAer, etc etc etc. Definitely doesn't fit in with the mundanes...

[Daniel E.]

A friend that plays FFXI, just told me he saw a female character named "Konata" while playing today.

Makes me wonder how many Konata's wanna-be will appear in online games from now on? :heh:

[Mirrinus]

Konata is a fictional representation of an internet myth known as a "girl who plays MMORPGs". As a former FFXI player myself (my avatar gives that away), I never believed that myth that a girl would ever play an MMORPG...so does this mean that Lucky☆Star qualifies under the "fantasy" and "myth" genre for me? ^_^

And don't worry Kaioshin_dono, as I recognise people based on their signatures, not their avatars. ^_^

[Jazzrat]

Konata is a fictional representation of an internet myth known as a "girl who plays MMORPGs". As a former FFXI player myself (my avatar gives that away), I never believed that myth that a girl would ever play an MMORPG...so does this mean that Lucky☆Star qualifies under the "fantasy" and "myth" genre for me? ^_^

ughhh, trust me... girl mmogamer are overrated while isn't exactly as common as guy gamer, they are a handful sometimes.

[Vexx]

Both my son's girlfriends, and three of my female friends just *laugh* when they hear that as they play WoW, Camelot, or "FPS of choice" :)

Most women conceal their gender in games because the immature assjerk factor is so high.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Konata is a fictional representation of an internet myth known as a "girl who plays MMORPGs". As a former FFXI player myself (my avatar gives that away), I never believed that myth that a girl would ever play an MMORPG...so does this mean that Lucky☆Star qualifies under the "fantasy" and "myth" genre for me? ^_^

And don't worry Kaioshin_dono, as I recognise people based on their signatures, not their avatars. ^_^

Good because Zeta is there forever.

I know girls play MMORPG's because somebody I work with plays World of Warcraft. I refuse to play MMO's because of the fact I find level grinds and having to talk to people I don't know and am probably (99% certain) I don't like to be a nightmare that I'd have to be paid to endure, rather than pay to endure. RPG's you play offline however, much more fun and comprehendable. MMO's? NO I DON'T FRIGGING BUYING SQUISHY LIQIUD @@@@@@@@@ THANK YOU! :frustrated:

The thought of having to endure anything like that for even 5 minutes sends shivers down my spine.

[Vexx]

Hmmm, I'm assisting in this derail from LuckyStar. Basically, there *are* girls like Kona out there (more and more) but they're just not necessarily standing next to you. We should return to LuckyStar babbling (downloading the a.f.k. sub now to see what they've done with it).

[celcius]

IMO a.f.k. did a better job. Even if the OP is barely readable with the fast paced change in text, it emulates how those who listen to the song would prolly react (what'd she say?)
I feel that a.f.k. should have left moe untranslated though, seeing as Haruhi as already mentioned moe.

I'm very happy with Lucky Star. OP+ED are awesome. The colors used are very pleasing to the eyes. (Yes, I approve of the color change in Kona-chan's hair now) Kona-chan going Ultraman and the (whatever it's called) pose from Ranma sure is a fun addition. But the highlights of ep.1 have to be Guile, Lucky Channel, and Kagami Hiiragi (<3)

[Mirrinus]

I'm kinda shocked how so many people are actually taking my words so seriously...of course I know female gamers, I'm just playing along with how "unique" Konata is. ^_^

Hey, no complaints from me. One of the main reasons why I was interested in this was because of Konata herself. It's always more amusing when you can relate to a character, no?

[DragoonKain3]

OP = teh win

That alone made Lucky Star my #1 series of the season...

Ok, that's a total lie, because the main reason why this is my #1 is because I think I'll actually get hooked to this show. Stuff like Manabi Straight, Pani Poni Dash, Hidamari Sketch, Gokujo Seitokai, etc. all put me to sleep halfway through the the first episode and have me quitting the series by the 3rd at the latest, but this series seems different. Reasons includes...

3) No yuri connotations.. (yet???)

2) Kona being an otaku gives me a character I can identify with, not to mention her really otaku influenced mind is amusing to say the least

1) I actually get some of the jokes and laugh! It might be KyoAni with the source, or AFK as the group subbing it, but whatever it is, its working.

So for me liking a show in which genre I usually dislike, Lucky Star receives big points from me.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm a-gonna watch the OP again (for like what, the fifth time?). Man its as addictive as Haruhi ED... who else wants a full dance routine as a bonus for the DVD releases? XD


EDIT: Best joke this episode would be by far Kona's way of eating ice cream. Push and pull action? ROTFL!

[Vexx]

Gomen, I'm so used to indignant gamers who refuse to believe the possibility...

I was flipping through the first episode.... okay, I *love* the camera work, especially when they have closeups of Tsukasa, Kona, and Miyuki --- and all you see of Kona is her antennae and ahoge.

And yes, I've watched the OP a dozen times.. especially the first 20 seconds or so.... the fluidity is just ... its just ... yeah.

[Nemo_N]

...and all you see of Kona is her antennae and ahoge.

I hope they do that at least one more time; so funny :heh: .

[Jazzrat]

Hmmm, I'm assisting in this derail from LuckyStar. Basically, there *are* girls like Kona out there (more and more) but they're just not necessarily standing next to you.

wait till you meet girls that watch hentai :heh:
alright, let's not go there... i feel like i m a babbling old fool

3) No yuri connotations.. (yet???)

Not against yuri fan but hmmm i hope that won't occur among the characters.

[Vexx]

Actually.... my son's girlfriend's college dormmate was *really* fond of tentacle anime and other very strange stuff --- O.o now *she* was scary cute <blink blink is it time to run now, eh?>

After 3 volumes of reading L*S, I've not noticed any yuri --- some double entendre (usuallly from Konata-chan).

[Sorrow-K]

Actually.... my son's girlfriend's college dormmate was *really* fond of tentacle anime and other very strange stuff --- O.o now *she* was scary cute <blink blink is it time to run now, eh?>Female nerds can be really bizarre sometimes. I remember a girl in undergrad that wasn't unattractive by any stretch of the imagination that had a strange fixation for hentai. Yuri, no less (I know what you're thinking, and she wasn't). Bizarre.

Are we off-topic, yet?

[Vexx]

While all that "Rucky Channel" posting was going on above, my a.f.k. torrent finished.

Very polished, like the fonts (especially the karaoke font at the end).

Interesting translation. I guess my only complaint is that I don't feel like every single meal needed to be translated. Sometimes I'd listen to the dialog just to hear what the meal actually was because the translation left a big question mark over my head (and no, it wasn't because I was rewarding a quest).

Frankly, I'd hope most people know what "Yakitori" is since thats how you order it at any teriyaki bar. It doesn't say "skewered chicken" on the menu, eh? Same for "sukiyaki" or "udon" or .... well, I would think anyone watching this would have some clue about japanese dining.
Otherwise, I thought most of the translation choices made sense and were even a bit cute ("mixy-wixy" rofl). Moe doesn't quite equal "turn-on" but meh, whatever.

The OP translation, very effective... I actually hadn't noticed engrish was being used in the song they were babbling so fast.

[Nightengale]

Really, anyone...give me a hands up.

How many here, besides me had watched Kyodain before..okay, I'll be less harsh, even heard of Kyodain? No need for a series completion, since I myself frankly never watched beyond 10 episodes, especially when I'm shuffling between Jetman, V3, Mazinger and Ultraseven on a daily basis in the early 90s. Gotta love how the channels here in the old days air stuff 10 or 15 years later than their original airing date.

I can't say I remember much about Kyodain...My memory of it is foggy at best, but I recall it being very weird, and fun.

I kinda realized why I didn't really find the 1st episode that interesting anymore. Half the episode had me doing a "Joseph Joestar Prediction" stunt, where I knew before hand the gist what Konata's gonna say about the sports, baseball game, tons of friends, friend visiting, pajama talkback, moe element and stuff. And no, I didn't read the manga. Well, probably also because everything said by them is easy to relate. I won't dare to say I had conversations with my friends about cooking (( the horror, I would be eternally relegated to chef work during scout camps )), but the actual content felt really simple in a good way.

[Jazzrat]

Lucky you, Kyodain never came to my country when i was growing up (atleast i don't remember ever seeing it)

Grew up watching Kamen Rider, i still remember how much i love the bikes back then and the infamous drop kick he does XD

[Skane]

While all that "Rucky Channel" posting was going on above, my a.f.k. torrent finished.

Very polished, like the fonts (especially the karaoke font at the end).

Interesting translation. I guess my only complaint is that I don't feel like every single meal needed to be translated. Sometimes I'd listen to the dialog just to hear what the meal actually was because the translation left a big question mark over my head (and no, it wasn't because I was rewarding a quest).

Frankly, I'd hope most people know what "Yakitori" is since thats how you order it at any teriyaki bar. It doesn't say "skewered chicken" on the menu, eh? Same for "sukiyaki" or "udon" or .... well, I would think anyone watching this would have some clue about japanese dining.
Otherwise, I thought most of the translation choices made sense and were even a bit cute ("mixy-wixy" rofl). Moe doesn't quite equal "turn-on" but meh, whatever.

The OP translation, very effective... I actually hadn't noticed engrish was being used in the song they were babbling so fast.
Well, [a.f.k.] has a record of localising Japanese terms so that the "uneducated" masses can understand what is going on without needing to refer to Wikipedia or Google, because Aiur knows the majority of the population is too lazy to do basic research. :heh:

In a way, you could say that [a.f.k.] is giving Lucky Star more mainstream appeal. Personally, I don't like the localisation of such terms, but if it means more people will appreciate the show, then so be it.

On another note, a more rational blog entry about Lucky Star; courtesy of Jeff Lawson.

(Fashionably) Late to the Party (http://anime.jefflawson.net/2007/04/11/fashionably-late-to-the-party/)

Cheers.

[Daniel E.]

Lucky you, Kyodain never came to my country when i was growing up (atleast i don't remember ever seeing it)

Grew up watching Kamen Rider, i still remember how much i love the bikes back then and the infamous drop kick he does XD

It would be curious if L.S. were to trow an Ambassador Magma parody. That's probably one of the few shows of this type that I actually watched. :)

[Skane]

It would be curious if L.S. were to trow an Ambassador Magma parody. That's probably one of the few shows of this type that I actually watched. :)
Ambassador Magma was already referenced in "FMP! Fumoffu!" If they do that again in Lucky Star, it would be a repeat gag by KyoAni. :heh:

Cheers.

[Sheba]

That was a long wait but it was worth it.

Did I liked this first episode? Yes.

Did I find the food talk scene long? Yes, but there were times I found myself nodding or pulling a disgusted face at the mention of some food (mayonnaise on natto, uuugh...). It is understandable that people closed their media player at that point of the episode.

I kinda related myself to Konata in some of her talks, like that one about her online friend in a MMO (I myself play a lot of Ragnarok Online).

I laughed quite a lot at the Guile scene, the Konata's reason to visit Kagami, this talk about the difference between a cold and influenza.

Ironically, it may be the mixed reviews and the bitching (especially over 4chan's /a/) that helped me to enjoy this show, and judge it on its own merits. And having read some chapters of the manga did help too.

EDIT: I want to watch more, I want to see the other characters and their chemistry.
The past taught me to not skip a whole series because of its first episode (Gungrave anyone?).

EDIT 2: I forgot to say. Lucky Channel fucking wins!

[Pellissier]

(Hey, those images look really clean. Which raw did you use?)
Despite what Daniel E. said (lol, thanks by the way ^^) ... I used the sos-dan 150 Mb raw, which is fairly good and clean if you ask me. The only flaw as [woland] says would be to be 120fps...

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Yeah.. with afk subs things looked smoother, even though I still find the whole food part a bit too long ^^ ... the subbed OP gains a whole new level of awesomeness instead, while the Lucky Channel part is better each time I watch it! :heh:
As already mentioned, my only qualm about afk version, otherwise perfect, is the fact they translated "moe", I kinda consider that like an holy word, so it should be always be left untranslated (also because a proper translation for it doesn't even exhist, imho ^^).

Anyway, Akira keeps inspiring me and so I made 3 freebie signatures :)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3504/akirasign1fk8.gif

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7545/akirasign2kg8.gif

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/671/akirasign3sv5.gif

I may start a new strip corner with these if they keep coming :heh:

If anyone is interested, claim and I could add your name. ;)

[Saber Cherry]

EDIT 2: I forgot to say. Lucky Channel ***ing wins!

Yes, that was pretty funny :) And the OP is awesome too. I was very impressed at how they adapted the 4-panel style to give some semblance of a coherent thread, and plus, laughing out loud several times during an episode is so rare for me that it's an automatic win.

My favorite quote (when talking about how to soft ice cream cones) was:

"I do a little push-pull action" + hand motion

^^;

...personally, I bite a little hole in the bottom edge of the cone and suck it empty.

[Skane]

~ My favorite quote (when talking about how to soft ice cream cones) was:

"I do a little push-pull action" + hand motion

^^;

...personally, I bite a little hole in the bottom edge of the cone and suck it empty.
Speaking of that scene, I actually do something similar when eating an ice-cream cone. After finishing most of the top part, I start pushing the rest of the ice-cream into the cone using my tongue. :)

Cheers.

[darkchibi07]

Hopefully you peeps clean up yourself after you eat your ice cream.......:D

In all honesty, that whole food conversation really made me hungry.

[celcius]

Lol, seems like this topic is quite common in RakiSuta threads. I just read someone asking how they eat a choco corone (choco cone?). Personally, I do it like how Konata does it; lick the ice-cream and push it down the cone. Problem is when the cone gets too much ice-cream and it bursts. Icky...

I love the part when Tsukasa goes （゜д゜） at Miyuki. The expression is just gold. Shoot me, I'm petty. xD

[Kaioshin Sama]

Interesting how as soon as A.F.K does there release its suddenly as popular as Haruhi. I'm intrigued, what exactly did they do with their subs that took it from "Meh" to "best debuting show of the season" for many in less than 3 days. Jokes are still the same as in Sleeping-Forest except now its somehow better? Or were the hardcore Kyoto Animation fans holding off until A.F.K's release. That's probably it, we got more people in here after that and the tone is now set. Well I can stop defending Kyoto Animation now and go back to neutral as I'm no longer needed in that capacity.

Oh and good blog entry by Jeff. One of his better ones I'd say.

[JediNight]

Yeah I think part of it is people were waiting for one of the more established groups to release. And overall AFK does a more polished release, so the translation quality and presentation are better. They also have a good track record with "sleeper" shows.

They subbed Azumanga Daioh AND Haruhi when nobody was really that interested in either. Then like 1-2 months after they were subbing it, the popularity in the shows exploded.

[Asai]

Honestly, I wasn't terribly impressed with a.f.k's over simplification of some things, as has already been mentioned; translating the foods and such. Overall their releases are excellent, but that particular aspect is something that bugs me, though that's not a dig at a.f.k at all, it bugs me whenever any group does it. Things like reversing names and over-translating things like food names is just unnecessary.

I watched the speedsub release, and fell in love with the show from it because the show itself is exactly my kettle of fish. I don't need a 'big' group to do something for me to like it, though I do prefer a more polished release (not a separate sub file, for a start; use mkv etc for softsubs >.<) to keep, so I also got a.f.k's version and as said, they did an excellent job; I'm just not keen on over-translation. Personal gripe with the practice, not a dig at the group at all.

[kenjiharima]

I think is more about Pellissier's skill than anything else; Of course, a good source always helps. :)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5916/luckygifkh5.gif

Hmmm.. looks kinda stange. :heh:


WOW!!! So cute may I use this avatar? She's like pointing and saying "You and Me..."

Thanks :heh:

[Bloody Nightingale]

Hmmm.... they did it on purpose right? OTZ

http://photo7.yupoo.com/20070412/162134_1160218876_zfbhrpss.jpg http://photo7.yupoo.com/20070412/162133_902559598_xpmwflfr.jpg

[Saber Cherry]

Hahaha, that's pretty funny :)

[Skane]

Hmmm.... they did it on purpose right? OTZ

http://photo7.yupoo.com/20070412/162134_1160218876_zfbhrpss.jpg http://photo7.yupoo.com/20070412/162133_902559598_xpmwflfr.jpg
Given that Konata is supposed to be an otaku, and parodies are a staple of such, I am willing to bet that yes, it is intentional. :heh: Especially since F/SN is highlighted below the parody.

Regardless, they really want to milk the choco-cone for all its' worth, eh? :heh:

Cheers.

[dahl_moon]

Every time I watch screenies of Lucky Star, I'm impressed at how rich the colors are for the characters, especially Konata. The colors seem to be clean, bright, but not stupid (yes, I'm looking at you Wind*** XP Luna).

Regarding food, I:
eat the Choco-corone thick side first (hard to find these Stateside :frustrated:).
I also push my soft icecream down, although I do it with my lips.
mix my curry and my rice, but don't add anything strange to it.
pick off the last bits of Yakitori with my chopsticks.

[WanderingKnight]

With ice-cream, I eat all the ice cream from the top, and when only the cone is left filled with ice cream, I chomp it down with a couple of bites.

[Skane]

Another late blog entry about Lucky Star.

Itadakimasu! Lucky ☆ Star oishiisou! (http://hontouni.com/souomou/2007/04/12/luckystar1)

Looks like [a.f.k.] is going to be the de facto fansub for most people. :heh:

Cheers.

[celcius]

http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07154/20070125368866.jpg (http://xs.to)
AFAIK, there was another piccu of them cosplaying as FSN. (It even had a screenshot of the game, but had Kagami as Rin). Unfortunately, I can't find it in my HDD since I already dumped it to my image dump folder.

Also, I think there was also an Konata-Al-Azif, but I can't remember if it looked like official art.

EDIT: Found it.
http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07154/1176129465882.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs414.xs.to/xs414/07154/1176129329689.jpg (http://xs.to)

[Anime Online]

My favorite line in Episode#1 would be "Konata desu" in the preview. Her voice and character design just grows on me.

I've read other 4-koma comics before and I can't say I'm a fan of the elusive humor, but for some reason Lucky☆Star is really growing on me as well. And fie on you, KyoAni, for taking advantage of my weakness for dancing scenes! I've been rewatching the catchy OP over and over.

I can hardly wait for the next episode. Does anyone know what day-time-slot the anime occupy in Japan?


[EDIT]
I just realized after trying to lick the chocolate that kept oozing out, Kona-chan solved the problem by stuffing the entire cone into her mouth.

[~NaNaMi~]

Akira needs love :)
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2244/luckystar1akira6nw9.gif

Stolen!
Thanks in advance

[Raniie]

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[Ascaloth]

Of course, thats all the original Peanuts animated features were (animation of 4 panel strips in a sequence) and they were somewhat popular :)

No, there's nothing wrong with not being bitten by this bug but substitute "ero-game" for "4-koma" in your reasoning and you might think it a bit odd. :)

Eh, that's kind of an odd comparison to make. :heh:
Particularly when you have ero-games, and then you have ero-games; you have those that make for great stories like Kanon and AIR, and then you have those that's basically just fodder for a fapfest and not much else....wait. I just described Bible Black. >_<

Nevertheless, after thinking about it for a day, I think I finally realized just what it was that was bugging me about KyoAni's Lucky Star, or more specifically Episode 1. You see, it's not that I didn't like the gags, after all, Lucky Star is all about the gags, and I can actually understand a good deal of the content.....

However, it's the execution of the whole thing itself that I'm not so hot about. And it's really all down to two things;

1) The food talk. I mean, it's fine as a continuous sequence if we're talking about several day's worth of 4-koma in the papers (or the magazines, I don't know where Lucky Star publishes), but to turn it into six minutes of continuous talk about nothing but food, it just wearies me out, to put it mildly. Would it kill KyoAni's storyboarder, whoever she is, to cut the whole damned thing into more managable pieces, and sprinkle them throughout the episode instead of concentrating an entire chunk of it in the beginning? >_<

2) The fact that they don't have.....I'm not sure what they're called, but I call them "cut-to-the-next-scene" graphics.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about: Bow Wow Episode 1, 01:52-01:53, 04:36-04:37, and 05:08-05:09. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sl_BuFcdno)

Now, maybe it's just because I'm not the most quick-witted bastard around to put it nicely, but from what I see, KyoAni tried to mesh together the seperate gags into one continuous slice-of-life sequence.....except that sometimes, it's just too jarring when I realize that the next gag had already commenced even before I had time to digest the previous one. Too many times I am left thinking, "...wait, it's the next one already?"

With the "cut-to-the-next-scene" sequences that Bow Wow employed, at least I get a second to prepare myself for the next gag, something I wished Lucky Star did. As it stood though, the pacing of Episode 1 shifted so quickly from one gag to another, that I'm left trailing behind a lot of the time, and it just detracts from my enjoyment of the content in the first place. >_<

Say, could you tell a little more about this? She had a column that was canned? What happened? Just wondering more about who she is. XD

I thought the show's overall pacing was marvelous myself. Most yonkoma adaptations have a sort of beat, pause, beat, pause kind of pacing, but not this one. I really dug how the conversations just would flow naturally and keep going sort of stream-of-consciousness style, as you might expect a group of chatty high schoolers to talk, almost, rather than be divided up as much into discreet "acts". Not that there weren't those, too, of course. But it was nicely mixed and moved quickly for something that was such a slice-of-life sort of comedy. :cool:

I'm also a sucker for conversations about and perspectives of food, heh, especially Japanese food. :heh:

LOL, it's strange that we have almost completely opposite views of the pacing of Lucky Star. :heh:

[Vexx]

Since I thought the extended food discussion sequence was just about perfect (some parallels to the Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch), it seems Ayu-Ayu is not alone. Of course, thats the thing --- what triggers the humor bone in people can be almost impossible to predict.
Just to destroy the humor... the punch line is Kona doing a discussion loop about choco-cones at the end. Other parallels that come to mind are those rambling jokes George Burns would tell - minutes of mild disorientation while the listener wondered where the hell he was going and then a mild gag that would startle the listener and they'd laugh.
Humor is sometimes thought of as the "execution of the unexpected" that triggers the social bonding experience of shared discomfort release called laughter.

There, now I've killed the specimen and dissected it.

edit: and in an extremely rare move, I'm downloading SF's next version of the ep. The translation of the show is going to be *very* important to me since this is definitely going to be a "share with people" series.... I may end up tweaking the fansubs myself for my own use once I get a handle on aegisub and other tools.

As I said, I really *liked* the a.f.k. translation work except for what I'll call "overtranslation" of the food, little of which is alien to anyone who has ever looked at a teriyaki bar menu (sukiyaki, yakitori, etc) (I notice they used "natto" rather than "fermented bean curd" though they used the term "parent child bowl" instead of the japanese term, it got kind of inconsistent). This is PURELY a personal preferential difference though.

[WanderingKnight]

2) The fact that they don't have.....I'm not sure what they're called, but I call them "cut-to-the-next-scene" graphics.

Yeah, I figured while I watched the episode that this was going to rise criticism. But, the fact is that it seems pretty original to me and gives the pacing a little twist, differentiating it a bit from other 4-koma adaptations. Of course, many people might want to stay in the comedy canons forever, but... As of now, I like that small display of originality.

I just watched a.f.k.'s version, and, once again, their translator shows a great sense of how a professional translator should do his work. Not that I'm denigrating other groups, but a.f.k.'s TL really understands what a translation means.

[kenjiharima]

Ohhhh waaaa~~~!!! The images!!! NO MOE!!! MOE!!! IAM GONNA DIE!!! Ahhhh~~~!!!

Seems to me that pigtailed girls are always popular, but imho when her hair is down she looks better, but her MOE lessen. LOL :D

But ya gotta love Akira...she seems to have that expression of a pyscho MOE then suddenlt no MOE. :heh:

[Saber Cherry]

Yeah, I figured while I watched the episode that this was going to rise criticism. But, the fact is that it seems pretty original to me and gives the pacing a little twist, differentiating it a bit from other 4-koma adaptations. Of course, many people might want to stay in the comedy canons forever, but... As of now, I like that small display of originality.

Doki Doki School Hours had those breaks between scenes (about every 30 seconds), and it utterly killed the series for me. I was unable to go past episode 1. I'm shocked that anyone would want them.

This still feels a little "scattered", but that's probably unavoidable given the 4-panel source.

@celcius: Thanks, those pics are very cute :)

[WanderingKnight]

I'm shocked that anyone would want them.

You know what they say, when it comes to tastes... :p

[Vexx]

Doki Doki School Hours had those breaks between scenes (about every 30 seconds), and it utterly killed the series for me. I was unable to go past episode 1. I'm shocked that anyone would want them.

This still feels a little "scattered", but that's probably unavoidable given the 4-panel source.

@celcius: Thanks, those pics are very cute :)

I agree... they're mostly annoying. I prefer the lack of them because it accentuates the absurdist cuts (like I.M. Miu face down and the street noises). In Lucky Star... what we're going to get are random static scene cuts when someone mentally processes a glitch. (e.g. time 13:33).
I love those... (we seem to be appealing to the gods over Kona).

[Ascaloth]

So, once again, it's all down to the fact that I'm someone who's just not cut out for Lucky Star. :heh:

Ah, well. I'll still be hanging around here though, 'cause this is where the Kanon regulars are. I'm telling you, that place has been getting a bit lonely after Kanon ended.....sigh.

[LCeh]

I am kinda late, but I gotta say ep 1 was full of fun and craziness. I really liked the humor in this series, it's not your typical slapstick, and the pacing is also quite different from most other series, so it's certainly refreshing to see someone doing something dramatically different than 90% of the stuff out there.

[Bloody Nightingale]

Given that Konata is supposed to be an otaku, and parodies are a staple of such, I am willing to bet that yes, it is intentional. :heh: Especially since F/SN is highlighted below the parody.

Regardless, they really want to milk the choco-cone for all its' worth, eh? :heh:

Cheers.

Cant say im not looking forward to Lucky Star cosplaying other popular animes :heh:

[Daniel E.]

Hmmm, after seeing those Fate/stay Night parodies, I am really starting to believe that at one point in the show, Konata and the rest of the gang, will attend an anime/videogame con.

Mind you, I have only seen a few bits of the manga, so this is just wishful thinking on my behalf. ;)

Oh and kenjiharima, I am glad you liked that gif. :)

[Kinny Riddle]

I'm still trying to find the right words to describe my impression on the series.

The OP dance was cool, but unlike some here, KyoAni set the standard with Hare Hare Yukai and for me, and Motte Ike! Sailor Fuku doesn't compare to it. Maybe it's due to the dance sequences not being too prominent, I guess I got distracted by the background instead, lol.

In Hare Hare Yukai, the dance takes centre stage, with minimal background (just the club room blackboard and some of Haruhi's "decorations" near the end).

Perhaps they'll release a DVD-only full dance sequence like they did with Hare Hare Yukai.)

After reading Vexx's comparison of the show's "slow-paced humour" with that of Monty Python, I think I'm beginning to appreciate it a little better. Though I'll still need time to get used to more of these type of humour like the long lunch scene in the first half.

The second half picked up a bit, with the highlight coming from the Street Fighter parody, and of course the Lucky Channel.

It's impossible to rate this sort of show in one single episode, due to its koma-based nature, it's gonna take some time for me to get used with all the cast and their traits.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Having now watched this show five times -- most recently a.f.k.'s fine English sub -- something has struck me. It was just as enjoyable the fifth time as the first. The jokes didn't get stale at all. They were never gut-splittingly hilarious, but they haven't lost their weird charm. In fact, they gain resonance as I hear them again and again (and again).

I can now understand what people are saying about the pacing, however. Maybe the actors and director will find a slightly better rhythm as they go on. But I basically agree with Ayu-Ayu and Vexx that the unemphatic flow of things is part of what makes this show work. Too much emphasis on the punchlines, or too much division into separate chunks might make it pall after a while. Of course, for some people, the lack of emphasis made it pall from the very start, lol.

>>Anime-Online: According to Shoboi Calendar (http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1102), the show is on in different parts of Japan at midnight Sundays, 2 am Sunday night; 1:15, 1:30 and 2:16 Monday nights; midnight Tuesday; 1:30 and 2:28 Wednesday night; and 2 am Saturday night.

>>Asai: Just to put in a word on the other side, I like the simplest possible typefaces and translation, and the fastest possible softsubs. I can see why mkv makes sense, so as to supply the right raw, but I watch the raw first and find it far more convenient to just download a little sub file when that shows up. My best sub experience ever was with Simoun, where one fan produced quite rough softsubs very quickly. She got them out within 12-24 hours of the broadcast. Anyway, if dorama fans have the technical ability to deal with softsubs, surely anime fans can.

Although I'm happy with both subs, and probably slightly happier with a.f.k., I agree that I prefer a little less translation into English terms than either sub group has decided on. But I know from experience that it's a fine judgment to make, and doing it either way presents problems. At least a.f.k. got the basic nature of the "sauce" right, though (it's probably "Bulldog", right?).

And I have to just join my voice to Vexx's and celebrate the life and accomplishments of Kurt Vonnegut (who died yesterday). Thanks, Kurt. For Cat's Cradle, especially. Is AnimeSuki a karass or a granfalloon?

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

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[kenjiharima]

WAAIIII!!!! More images!!! Thank you thank you!!!

Seems like it's not the school uniforms they aim at...it's the cheer leaders outfits!!! That SEXY pigtailed MOE!!! Seems Kirasaki(the green haired girl) is being called a Rie Anayami clone...but imho she seems more of a hybird of Sasaki (Azumanga) and Rie. Love her eyes though...but Kona-chan's mole under her left eye is FTW!!! :heh:

Yea love every bit of Kona-chan thanks Daniel E. :D

[Nemo_N]

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1.- I'm still amazed about how that pose is now instantly recognizable...
2.- "Pick me up, please" ... ... ... OK :)
3.- Doesn't Konata look like she is saying "Dame da yo!" to Kagami? :heh:

[Kaoru Chujo]

...Kona-chan's mole under her left eye is FTW!!!...Separated at birth: Konata's seiyuu, Hirano Aya, has one there, too (see my avatar). Now we know why she just had to play this role.

[Daniel E.]

Just watched a.f.k.'s version and all I have to say is THANK YOU !! :D

-Thank you for not using side notes. :)
-Thank you for actually taking the trouble of translating everything, instead of making a hardcore translation (read: a half done translation)
-And thank you for putting the fun in a couple of scenes I just couldn't get in the other versions. :D :D

[Shiroth]

Now we know why she just had to play this role.
Bah, i still say they could have gone with someone different to play Kona-chan. Aya doesn't have that relaxing feeling voice that i get in my head when reading the manga. Ah well.

[Nemo_N]

Separated at birth: Konata's seiyuu, Hirano Aya, has one there, too (see my avatar). Now we know why she just had to play this role.

Wow. Quite a coincidence. I noticed Aya's mole before, but didn't connect both until now.

[LCeh]

Separated at birth: Konata's seiyuu, Hirano Aya, has one there, too (see my avatar). Now we know why she just had to play this role.

Call me slow, but I actually didn't recognize her voice at all. I think that's pretty impressive since I thought her voice was quite recognizable, like in Sumomo, I was able to spot her right away. But this time, even after knowing it was her that played Kona-chan, I still couldn't really tell. Good job Aya-chan. :heh:

[kenjiharima]

Separated at birth: Konata's seiyuu, Hirano Aya, has one there, too (see my avatar). Now we know why she just had to play this role.

Not just that the way she smiles on your avatar seems catlike too :3
Maybe she's a little older now that's why the voice changed? Nahh...I think she developed something similar to Bugs Bunny's voice actor to make a unique voice for Kona-chan's character. Can't wait for episode 2!!! :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Eh, that's kind of an odd comparison to make. :heh:
Particularly when you have ero-games, and then you have ero-games; you have those that make for great stories like Kanon and AIR, and then you have those that's basically just fodder for a fapfest and not much else....wait. I just described Bible Black. >_<

Nevertheless, after thinking about it for a day, I think I finally realized just what it was that was bugging me about KyoAni's Lucky Star, or more specifically Episode 1. You see, it's not that I didn't like the gags, after all, Lucky Star is all about the gags, and I can actually understand a good deal of the content.....

However, it's the execution of the whole thing itself that I'm not so hot about. And it's really all down to two things;

1) The food talk. I mean, it's fine as a continuous sequence if we're talking about several day's worth of 4-koma in the papers (or the magazines, I don't know where Lucky Star publishes), but to turn it into six minutes of continuous talk about nothing but food, it just wearies me out, to put it mildly. Would it kill KyoAni's storyboarder, whoever she is, to cut the whole damned thing into more managable pieces, and sprinkle them throughout the episode instead of concentrating an entire chunk of it in the beginning? >_<

2) The fact that they don't have.....I'm not sure what they're called, but I call them "cut-to-the-next-scene" graphics.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about: Bow Wow Episode 1, 01:52-01:53, 04:36-04:37, and 05:08-05:09. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sl_BuFcdno)

Now, maybe it's just because I'm not the most quick-witted bastard around to put it nicely, but from what I see, KyoAni tried to mesh together the seperate gags into one continuous slice-of-life sequence.....except that sometimes, it's just too jarring when I realize that the next gag had already commenced even before I had time to digest the previous one. Too many times I am left thinking, "...wait, it's the next one already?"

With the "cut-to-the-next-scene" sequences that Bow Wow employed, at least I get a second to prepare myself for the next gag, something I wished Lucky Star did. As it stood though, the pacing of Episode 1 shifted so quickly from one gag to another, that I'm left trailing behind a lot of the time, and it just detracts from my enjoyment of the content in the first place. >_<



LOL, it's strange that we have almost completely opposite views of the pacing of Lucky Star. :heh:

NO! No Storyboard, No Pacing! Moe Moe, More Important Damnit! *Smashes Table and fork flys across the room* Grah Not Enough Time To Get More Moe In, Need Think Less More Moe.

That aside I'd like to talk about one of the things that bothers me about Kyoto Animation. There seeming need to have every product they do be as emasculating as possible. So if we start with the series that made them huge, Haruhi is loud a loud bossy teenager with breasts that seem to get more shapely with each passing episode, and the men, specifically Kyon the more normal and level headed male and Itsuki who is arguably as level headed are forced to submit to her will. Then we have Yuki who is arguably just as powerful as Haruhi and so yeah, the men are pathetic. Then we move to Kanon where all the girls are like unrealistic angels in terms of their nature and then we have the one male presence in the entire series in Yuuchi who I think has a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award. So again Kyoto Animation attempts to show that men suck and we've got men are weak and douches, oh and apparentely always wrong. Then we move on to Lucky Star and I learn from Konata that Foreigners are evil and she proceeds to beat the crap out of a western male. So now we are not only apparently subordinate to women and douches, but now we are evil "Evil Male Gaijin" and need to be taught a lesson by lolis. So my question to Kyoto Animation is.... Why do you hate my demographic so damn much?

I guess then if the trend continues I am to assume that Clannad is about a white American jerkass males relationship with the most moe and angelic looking loli ever and him getting put in his place and pummeled every episode by her to the cheers of the fanbase? :confused:

[kenjiharima]

Well one man or delinquent doesn't suck, though the anime he's in was not made by Kyoto Animation

Harima Kenji FTW!!!


The only thing that 4koma anime lacks are good men or boys for the girls like Azumanga Daioh's wierd teacher though he has beautiful MOE wife and kid, but hey who wants men when you have the MOE MOE MOE girls!!! :heh:

[cmage]

The only thing that 4koma anime lacks are good men or boys for the girls like Azumanga Daioh's wierd teacher though he has becaustyful MOE wife and kid, but hey who wants men when you have the MOE MOE MOE girls!!! :heh:

Isn't there a man ogling school girls in the OP? :uhoh:

[darkchibi07]

NO! No Storyboard, No Pacing! Moe Moe, More Important Damnit! *Smashes Table and fork flys across the room* Grah Not Enough Time To Get More Moe In, Need Think Less More Moe.

That aside I'd like to talk about one of the things that bothers me about Kyoto Animation. There seeming need to have every product they do be as emasculating as possible. So if we start with the series that made them huge, Haruhi is loud a loud bossy teenager with breasts that seem to get more shapely with each passing episode, and the men, specifically Kyon the more normal and level headed male and Itsuki who is arguably as level headed are forced to submit to her will. Then we have Yuki who is arguably just as powerful as Haruhi and so yeah, the men are pathetic. Then we move to Kanon where all the girls are like unrealistic angels in terms of their nature and then we have the one male presence in the entire series in Yuuchi who I think has a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award. So again Kyoto Animation attempts to show that men suck and we've got men are weak and douches, oh and apparentely always wrong. Then we move on to Lucky Star and I learn from Konata that Foreigners are evil and she proceeds to beat the crap out of a western male. So now we are not only apparently subordinate to women and douches, but now we are evil "Evil Male Gaijin" and need to be taught a lesson by lolis. So my question to Kyoto Animation is.... Why do you hate my demographic so damn much?



And what about their work on Full Metal Panic: the Second Raid......? There's enough tough guys in that show. :eyebrow:

[WanderingKnight]

Umm, Kaioshin, I don't know how to put this, but...

What about, "Welcome to the world of anime!"? Female characters are the lead of most shows out there, and there are lots of shows out there (especially harems) that portray male leads as a loser/dork/whatever.

Besides, I must disagree on the portrayal you seem to have seen in Yuuichi and Kyon. I didn't see them portrayed as jerks. In fact, Yuuichi had a hell of development and wasn't the jerk of the show for the most part. And, then again, I'm forced to remind you of what bishoujo games, like Kanon, are all about. Women! :p

[kenjiharima]

we still dunno if he's character will be developed well along with the MOE girls of Lucky Star, so let's stay tuned for his development. But I really don't care about him let's just see the MOE girls especially Kona-chan. :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

And what about their work on Full Metal Panic: the Second Raid......? There's enough tough guys in that show. :eyebrow:

Quite possibly the last time that ever happens in a Kyoto Animation work too. There having way too successful a run with the moe gig to return to that anytime soon if ever. Guess Full Metal Panic Film Partners will pass the torch to another animation studio again like they did with Gonzo.

@Wanderingknight: Yeah in the Haruhi books Kyon was much better and I'm sure unvoiced Yuuchi was a fairly nice guy, but Sugita Tomokazu has the uncanny ability to make every character he does come across as a complete and unmitigated jerkoff. I don't know how he does it, but it could serve him really well in the right role. He should be playing villain characters that get under your skin, not a harem guy. That being said, yes recently females have been the lead in most shows recently and the men are now fairly weak. I guess its revenge for all the times the female characters got slapped around in Gundam and 70's/80's mecha anime, which would be a hell of a lot. I think they have about 20 years to make up for now. Better get a helmet guy's its going to be all 12 rounds.

[cmage]

Quite possibly the last time that ever happens in a Kyoto Animation work too. There having way too successful a run with the moe gig to return to that anytime soon if ever. Guess Full Metal Panic Film Partners will pass the torch to another animation studio again like they did with Gonzo.

I hope not. I wanna see the rest of the novels animated by KyoAni. :(

So, um...I'm a girl, so I don't completely get the mo~e thing. Is Lucky Star that moe? Maybe this is like how I can never tell the difference between shoujo and seinen 'cause they both have cute girls. >.<

[WanderingKnight]

Maybe this is like how I can never tell the difference between shoujo and seinen 'cause they both have cute girls. >.<

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Shoujo = something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from seinen. Artwork, for starters.

Take the highly popular NANA, for example. Shoujo character designs recognizable from miles away. Now compare it with Lucky Star, seinen character designs recognizable from miles away. And now you'll start seeing the differences.

Then again, there's the matter of the themes they touch. Shoujo is directed at girls, while seinen is directed at young men. Themes will certainly be different, by market's standards.

That being said, yes recently females have been the lead in most shows recently

I wouldn't say recently. I would prefer to say since the broadcasting of Sailor Moon :p

[Kaioshin Sama]

I hope not. I wanna see the rest of the novels animated by KyoAni. :(

So, um...I'm a girl, so I don't completely get the mo~e thing. Is Lucky Star that moe? Maybe this is like how I can never tell the difference between shoujo and seinen 'cause they both have cute girls. >.<

I'll let the others answer that as I don't want to get lynched. Really though, not really, people are kind of exagerating it a bit I think. Moe has become a desired commodity so people want it in any capacity so they go looking for instances of it, but I think its something we can do without. As far as I can tell the show is predominantly comedy and the Moe element is deliberately played for laughs as a bit of self-parodying/self-deprication by Kyoto Animation.

Sailor Moon eh: Sailor Senshi get kicked around by the enemy in still images. *Cue jazzy music* "I am Tuxedo Kamen, Encouraging Speech" The Girls: "Yay Tuxedo Kamen, So Handsome". And this must occur before the Sailor Senshi can do any real damage.

[cmage]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Shoujo = something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from seinen. Artwork, for starters.

Take the highly popular NANA, for example. Shoujo character designs recognizable from miles away. Now compare it with Lucky Star, seinen character designs recognizable from miles away. And now you'll start seeing the differences.

Then again, there's the matter of the themes they touch. Shoujo is directed at girls, while seinen is directed at young men. Themes will certainly be different, by market's standards.

Eh, I always thought NANA was josei. :heh:

My problem is when it gets to the cute character designs and content. Magical girl stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura has cute character designs, as does Azumanga Daioh. I find both entertaining, so when I heard that AzuDai is seinen, I went :twitch:. I don't see the appeal for guys in watching girls go to school.

Yeah, I definitely don't get the guy mentality....

[WanderingKnight]

Ok, this is going a bit offtopic, but this'll be my last post on the shoujo/seinen stuff.

Magical girl stuff like Cardcaptor Sakura has cute character designs, as does Azumanga Daioh.

Note the difference in the stereotypes of the design. Cardcaptor Sakura retains many of the classical shoujo stereotypes (sparkling eyes, wide-shoulder men, bishounen faces for most of men), and they touch subjects that most men (by market's standards) would find unappealing.

AzuDai is often classified as seinen because it gives a nostalgic feeling to people who are past their highschool age, as far as I'm concerned. And, their design isn't certainly shoujo. And there's Chiyo-chan moeness all over it, so yeah, it'd classify as seinen :p.

(PS: The difference between josei and shoujo is very slight, IMO).

[Potatochobit]

Nana is definately a girl's show.

as for Moe, yeah, I also dont like it when they try to force Moe on characters. but some characters have true Moe like maybe Nanoha, Fate, and Vita from Nanoha A's, or Kozue from mahoraba, among others.

[Proto]

That aside I'd like to talk about one of the things that bothers me about Kyoto Animation. There seeming need to have every product they do be as emasculating as possible. So if we start with the series that made them huge, Haruhi is loud a loud bossy teenager with breasts that seem to get more shapely with each passing episode, and the men, specifically Kyon the more normal and level headed male and Itsuki who is arguably as level headed are forced to submit to her will. Then we have Yuki who is arguably just as powerful as Haruhi and so yeah, the men are pathetic. Then we move to Kanon where all the girls are like unrealistic angels in terms of their nature and then we have the one male presence in the entire series in Yuuchi who I think has a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award. So again Kyoto Animation attempts to show that men suck and we've got men are weak and douches, oh and apparentely always wrong. Then we move on to Lucky Star and I learn from Konata that Foreigners are evil and she proceeds to beat the crap out of a western male. So now we are not only apparently subordinate to women and douches, but now we are evil "Evil Male Gaijin" and need to be taught a lesson by lolis. So my question to Kyoto Animation is.... Why do you hate my demographic so damn much?

Hmm... well, I may be misunderstanding or completely missing your point, but aren't you confusing the work of the animators and the work of the writters/mangakas? Apart from adapting the story from its original media they have little to no hand in the actual content. Some may say that this makes for better adaptations, some may say that this just demonstrates that they don't have any imagination at all, but in either case I don't think you can't blame them for the story and characters of the series they animate. You could contest their taste for choosing series though ^_^

[DannoHung]

Hmm, thoughts: It was amusing, but also kinda boring.

The food gags in the first 8 minutes just didn't have really good punchlines. It's the first episode though, so I guess they were going for more "establish character personality" jokes than stuff that was actually supposed to be, y'know, funny.

[Ayu-ayu]

Just to destroy the humor... the punch line is Kona doing a discussion loop about choco-cones at the end. Other parallels that come to mind are those rambling jokes George Burns would tell - minutes of mild disorientation while the listener wondered where the hell he was going and then a mild gag that would startle the listener and they'd laugh.
Humor is sometimes thought of as the "execution of the unexpected" that triggers the social bonding experience of shared discomfort release called laughter.

There, now I've killed the specimen and dissected it.


Excellent analysis of the scene. I think there is a bit of teasing the viewer going on here, playing upon the audience expectation that the scene is going to move on and instead it keeps going...until the conversation finally hits the full circle point. That's a really subtle form of humor as it depends partly on whether the audience knows it is being deliberately led on or not. :heh:

That said, I still think it's a fun conversation, and my roommate and I often have these kind of talks, so I really empathize.


As I said, I really *liked* the a.f.k. translation work except for what I'll call "overtranslation" of the food, little of which is alien to anyone who has ever looked at a teriyaki bar menu (sukiyaki, yakitori, etc) (I notice they used "natto" rather than "fermented bean curd" though they used the term "parent child bowl" instead of the japanese term, it got kind of inconsistent). This is PURELY a personal preferential difference though.

Hm, haven't had a chance to look at the AFK version just yet (but am eager to do so), but I'm of a mixed mind on that issue. This is all strictly uber-IMHO, but I personally feel that foreign otaku ought to as a matter of course develop a good knowledge of Japanese cuisine...preferably first hand experience, but otherwise from context in manga, anime, and dorama. However, I know that Japanese food can be really, well, foreign to new fans in particular and even daunting or very "alien". :twitch:

Generally speaking I think in these cases, the people familiar with the food in question will already know what it is, so beyond that, it's a matter of whether the translator wants to simplify to keep the flow, add liner notes (IMHO preferably after the program so as to not clutter text over the animation), or stick to the literal original "untranslated" names and leave it to the fans to look up the stuff they don't know on their own (wikipedia is your friend!). I think each approach has its own merit, really. :cool:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ok, this is going a bit offtopic, but this'll be my last post on the shoujo/seinen stuff.



Note the difference in the stereotypes of the design. Cardcaptor Sakura retains many of the classical shoujo stereotypes (sparkling eyes, wide-shoulder men, bishounen faces for most of men), and they touch subjects that most men (by market's standards) would find unappealing.

Hey, I like Cardcaptor Sakura so far. I've only seen about 3 episodes subbed, but I was quite amused at just how abusive she is to Touya (Such as routinely stomping on his foot or smashing his shins with her rollerblade). Oh and Tomoyo is also very very creepy in her obvious attraction to Sakura.

To me its all in what the material contains. It can be Shoujo and if its well done I'll like it and it can be Shounen Mecha action, but if its not well written then I won't even bother. Everything deserves a fair chance though. And yeah, hopefully that's the end of that subject.

[cmage]

Hm, haven't had a chance to look at the AFK version just yet (but am eager to do so), but I'm of a mixed mind on that issue. This is all strictly uber-IMHO, but I personally feel that foreign otaku ought to as a matter of course develop a good knowledge of Japanese cuisine...preferably first hand experience, but otherwise from context in manga, anime, and dorama. However, I know that Japanese food can be really, well, foreign to new fans in particular and even daunting or very "alien". :twitch:

Generally speaking I think in these cases, the people familiar with the food in question will already know what it is, so beyond that, it's a matter of whether the translator wants to simplify to keep the flow, add liner notes (IMHO preferably after the program so as to not clutter text over the animation), or stick to the literal original "untranslated" names and leave it to the fans to look up the stuff they don't know on their own (wikipedia is your friend!). I think each approach has its own merit, really. :cool:

Even with the food names that were translated I was at a loss as to what they are. Unless I see a picture of the food or it shows up a lot in anime in general, I'll just know that the name's familiar and not know what they really are. As far as the humor during the food part, I thought it was amusing just how they were talking about food for so long. It's something like what I'd do with my friends. My sister, though, kept looking at her watch. :heh:

[Kaoru Chujo]

semi-off-topic, but brief:Eh, I always thought NANA was josei....That's how it feels to me, too, but the manga uses furigana (little characters indicating how the kanji are pronounced) so I guess it's shoujo. Josei manga don't tend to have them, since they're for an age group that is supposed to know how to pronounce most kanji. And it's published in Cookie (http://cookie.shueisha.co.jp/top.html), which I think is considered a shoujo manga magazine. Anyway, I think NANA the anime (haven't read much of the manga) is a masterpiece, no matter what age or gender it's aimed at.

[aorta]

The funny thing about the food scene to me was how all the food they talk about appears in front of them, which is not very realistic if you think about it.

I wish a group would translate the web radio shows.

[WanderingKnight]

Hey, I like Cardcaptor Sakura so far. I've only seen about 3 episodes subbed, but I was quite amused at just how abusive she is to Touya (Such as routinely stomping on his foot or smashing his shins with her rollerblade). Oh and Tomoyo is also very very creepy in her obvious attraction to Sakura.

That's why I said "by market's standards". Of course, I've enjoyed my share of shoujo stuff, too (and the CCS manga is a masterpiece in terms of stepping over the sexuality stereotypes of society). I certainly disagree with the intention of selecting a demographics based in gender, but that's how market works today.

PS: Damn, I'm still getting carried away by the offtopic. Last post, this was.

[Level E]

Excellent!
I'm still wondering, though, how Lucky Channel is related to the rest of Lucky Star. Surely there had to be some pre-existing connection--maybe it's omake material in the Lucky Star manga, or the net show had scripts written by the manga author? Or are they totally unrelated and just an example of the amazing power of Japanese marketing?

Akira, Hikage, and a few other characters don't come out in the 4Koma itself until after the DS Game: Moe~ Drill was released (the game is a spoof off Brain Age). Minoru has yet to appear in the manga (well, actually upto Vol3... I haven't got my hands on 4 yet, and he's suppose to appear in the 4koma according to the Lucky Channel at some pt).

Isn't there a man ogling school girls in the OP? :uhoh:

He's the one responsible for Kyo~da~i~n :heh:

[nikorai]

I was about to say a few words about ccs myself. but its offtopic.
Watched a subbed version of Lucky star. I actually tried to watch it raw at first but couldnt understand much except for when they were discussing where's the head part.
liked everything here.
may i ask. will it be the only thread dedicated to the series? it would be nice to make a section in the current series part with episode discussion. after the end of kanon 2006 i feel a bit out of place

[cmage]

may i ask. will it be the only thread dedicated to the series? it would be nice to make a section in the current series part with episode discussion. after the end of kanon 2006 i feel a bit out of place

It'll probably get its own forum if you give it a while. The fall shows got forums a few weeks after airing, right?

[Ashlotte]

Wow...Im amazed at how big this thread is with only one episode out. :heh:

Hah but that aside it was a pretty cute episode. The food bit at the start ill admit felt more then alittle weak, but by the end it felt like things were clicking more. I especially loved the LS Channel bit at the end. ;)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Wow...Im amazed at how big this thread is with only one episode out. :heh:

Hah but that aside it was a pretty cute episode. The food bit at the start ill admit felt more then alittle weak, but by the end it felt like things were clicking more. I especially loved the LS Channel bit at the end. ;)

It's probably because every Kyoto Animation show is an instant hit no matter what it is. They don't really have to do anything to begin with other than have their name on it, kind of like Bones and to a lesser extent Sunrise and and Gainax. The company honestly needs their own forum along with Sunrise, Gainax and BONES. I'm starting to wonder if that's how it should go from here on out. Just have a forum for each big company and empty it out once a year.

Really though its just me and a bunch of the same guys posting over and over again. If you look at it its actually only about 10-15 people posting all that frequently. Thank me for the long ass thread.

[cmage]

It's probably because every Kyoto Animation show is an instant hit no matter what it is. They don't really have to do anything to begin with other than have their name on it, kind of like Bones and to a lesser extent Sunrise and and Gainax. The company honestly needs their own forum along with Sunrise, Gainax and BONES. I'm starting to wonder if that's how it should go from here on out. Just have a forum for each big company and empty it out once a year.

Not every Bones show is popular. Jyu Oh Sei and Ayakashi Ayashi didn't have many viewers, even if they were well animated. Though I do wonder sometimes why there aren't forums for the major animation studios. More often than not in KyoAni threads it gets off topic on the studio, just like now. :p

[Kaioshin Sama]

Not every Bones show is popular. Jyu Oh Sei and Ayakashi Ayashi didn't have many viewers, even if they were well animated. Though I do wonder sometimes why there aren't forums for the major animation studios. More often than not in KyoAni threads it gets off topic on the studio, just like now. :p

Well they are the best studio of all time so its no wonder.

[kenjiharima]

You know the saying these guys are now legends on their own right LOL :heh:
Just made this...


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystar4komafunny.gif

[Bloody Nightingale]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4870/20070412ce9.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070412ce9.jpg)

You gotta be kidding me..... :twitch:

[Kaioshin Sama]

You know the saying these guys are now legends on their own right LOL :heh:
Just made this...


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystar4komafunny.gif


Where did those guys come from. God I hate that picture. That and the Galaxy Angel Rune thing that people keep doing. The former can be funny as it makes fun of the predictability of Otakus, but I can't stand to look at those same people anymore, and the later I never thought was funny at all. I can only assume that one was at one point used to make fun of mass produced Sugar Pop openings, but now they just use it for every new series that comes out. Then again this is all coming from my very bizarre and often jaded literal point of view.

@Blood Nightingale: I can virtually guarantee you that came from 2chan, its very original like the rest of the things that come from that board. That's another one I'm getting tired of. Of course the thing about meme pictures is that they are posted long after people stop laughing or caring, kind of like the Jon Benet and O.J Stories in your local supermarket tabloid.

[Shiroth]

Not every Bones show is popular. Jyu Oh Sei and Ayakashi Ayashi didn't have many viewers, even if they were well animated. Though I do wonder sometimes why there aren't forums for the major animation studios. More often than not in KyoAni threads it gets off topic on the studio, just like now. :p
Ayakashi Ayashi didn't have mass appeal. Still, it was a show i loved to pieces. As for Lucky Star, i think that any studio could get away with animated it, sure it looks pretty with Kyoani, though that doesn't make an adaptation from a 4-koma manga.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ayakashi Ayashi didn't have mass appeal. Still, it was a show i loved to pieces. As for Lucky Star, i think that any studio could get away with animated it, sure it looks pretty with Kyoani, though that doesn't make an adaptation from a 4-koma manga.

It would never sell as well though, not a chance. Kyoto Animation is the Mr. Noodles of anime, they have brand power.

The only thing that surprised me here so far regarding the popularity of the show is that it isn't that popular relatively speaking. It's has just the right degree of exposure at the moment to make it enjoyable without rubbing its existence in everyone elses faces, but that when you go to the board to talk about it, odds are somebody's actually listening. It's fun and it gets people talking without consuming them. I'm going to set the episode to download for when I get home tonight so then I can talk about what went on. I expect to enjoy it far more than Haruhi as it's perfectly avoidable when I'm in the mood for something else, and I can enjoy it on my own terms.

[kenjiharima]

You gotta be kidding me..... :twitch:

It's either their mocking, making a parody or advertising Haruhi Sumiya. But imho that's what you call branching market. Their using Lucky Stars characters to advertise other anime as well the Fate/Stay Night the cover mag tells it all LOL :D
Maybe that's why they're otaku's and gamers in the story. :heh:

[cmage]

It would never sell as well though, not a chance. Kyoto Animation is the Mr. Noodles of anime, they have brand power.

The only thing that surprised me here so far regarding the popularity of the show is that it isn't that popular relatively speaking. It's has just the right degree of exposure at the moment to make it enjoyable without rubbing its existence in everyone elses faces, but that when you go to the board to talk about it, odds are somebody's actually listening. It's fun and it gets people talking without consuming them. I'm going to set the episode to download for when I get home tonight so then I can talk about what went on. I expect to enjoy it far more than Haruhi as it's perfectly avoidable when I'm in the mood for something else, and I can enjoy it on my own terms.

What's Mr. Noodles? :confused:

So it's recovered from everyone flaming it? I was worried it might end up as KyoAni's black sheep or something.

[Kaioshin Sama]

What's Mr. Noodles? :confused:

So it's recovered from everyone flaming it? I was worried it might end up as KyoAni's black sheep or something.

Well its definitely their least popular series to date, but that also makes it far less stifling. You don't feel like somebodies going to jump out of the bushes and call you a troll or an enemy of Haruhism if you so much as point out one minor flaw in the show.

And Mr. Noodles is a popular brand of Ramen Noodles in North America.

[cmage]

Well its definitely their least popular series to date, but that also makes it far less stifling. You don't feel like somebodies going to jump out of the bushes and call you a troll or an enemy of Haruhism if you so much as point out one minor flaw in the show.

And Mr. Noodles is a popular brand of Ramen Noodles in North America.

Goodness, I'm glad I didn't haunt the Haruhi forums, then. I would've been scared out of liking the show. :(

I eat Maruchan ramen. :D

[4Tran]

Lucky Star is the first show to give off the same kind of vibes as Azumanga Daioh, which is a big plus in my book. It's something that none of the other school comedies have accomplished: Pani Poni Dash, Doki Doki School Hours, School Rumble or Strawberry Marshmallow.

So far, I don't think that it's even close to having the warmth of Azumanga Daioh, but then again, it's only the first episode, so there's plenty of room for improvement. On another note, I like the style of the jokes, but I wonder if it might refer to the otaku culture too much to be effective. It doesn't seem to be a problem yet, but it may start to lean that way.

[Mirrinus]

Like Kaioshin_dono, I too am happy with the fact that not everyone's going crazy over Lucky☆Star, so we can still enjoy it in peace. Fans can be ridiculous on both sides of the spectrum. >.>

Anyway, personally my favorite part was actually when Konata was explaining how she has over a hundred friends and is in a party every night. I was eating lunch while watching the subbed version of that, and I just burst out laughing with rice and chicken in my mouth because I knew exactly where that conversation was going. Niche, yes, but it works for me.

[kenjiharima]

Lucky Star is the first show to give off the same kind of vibes as Azumanga Daioh, which is a big plus in my book. It's something that none of the other school comedies have accomplished: Pani Poni Dash, Doki Doki School Hours, School Rumble or Strawberry Marshmallow.


Amen to that! It's similar to Azumanga since it's more on the REAL side, no powers, super strength, super natural entities...etc. Which is also a big plus in my book, ever since I saw Azumanga I felt I wanted to watch more realistic animes like Hajime no Ippo. Though the designs are loli and MOE it doesn't matter since the way they carry themselves and the conversations to good and the reactions are well timed. :heh:

[Sevaasu]

geez are the voice over girls' voices actually this high? or do they receive special training or maybe even helium or something?

[Sheba]

Then we move on to Lucky Star and I learn from Konata that Foreigners are evil and she proceeds to beat the crap out of a western male. So now we are not only apparently subordinate to women and douches, but now we are evil "Evil Male Gaijin" and need to be taught a lesson by lolis.

Evil Gaijins are nothing new in the world of cliche in asian medias. Where were you when there were those old 1970s/1980s HK movies where foreigners and sometime japanese were portrayed in the least flattering light?
Moreover, the bunch of causasian people who goes to asian countries just to score on asian chicks does not help into getting a better perception of the "wide-eyed devils" (like some chinese people said) from an asian point of view.

[NaweG]

or stick to the literal original "untranslated" names and leave it to the fans to look up the stuff they don't know on their own (wikipedia is your friend!).

The problem with that is that it's somewhat hit and miss. For example, I've been running through Azumanga Daioh - and I still can't find anything that explains what "Summer Service Day" is, and why that might be preferred to the start of the autumn quarter so much that Chio-chan has to do her "Motivation" spell (ep 22)...

[DannoHung]

This is all strictly uber-IMHO, but I personally feel that foreign otaku ought to as a matter of course develop a good knowledge of Japanese cuisine...preferably first hand experience, but otherwise from context in manga, anime, and dorama. However, I know that Japanese food can be really, well, foreign to new fans in particular and even daunting or very "alien". :twitch:

So... does watching fansubbed anime make me an Otaku or something? Because I'd honestly like to avoid that label.

[FatPianoBoy]

The problem with that is that it's somewhat hit and miss. For example, I've been running through Azumanga Daioh - and I still can't find anything that explains what "Summer Service Day" is, and why that might be preferred to the start of the autumn quarter so much that Chio-chan has to do her "Motivation" spell (ep 22)...

If my memory hasn't failed me yet, I'm pretty sure it's just what it sounds like: going to school for a few days during summer break for various things (not sure what things).

[kenjiharima]

Dadadadadada....it's not daddy but a secret finishing move passed on to Konata Izumi!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDX1cM4Tc4c

really people can think alot of parodies for this anime and it's very fresh!!!

[Vexx]

You gotta be kidding me..... :twitch:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4870/20070412ce9.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070412ce9.jpg)

The FUNNY thing is that Lucky Star always/originally drew their manga that way. So I'm suspecting that once again Haruhi's screen adaptation was a chronologically reverse adaptation of baseline archetypes.

I need to check the original release dates of the 4-koma strips for Lucky Star but I'm pretty sure they precede the production and airing of Haruhi.

Haruhists have to remember that the show is a *reflection* parody of anime standard archetypes built off of a science fiction light novel series that invoked many of those same motifs.

You'll note there are many differences as well as similiarities in the trio.

geez are the voice over girls' voices actually this high? or do they receive special training or maybe even helium or something?

Never hung around japanese teenage girls (or japanese women for that matter), eh? They're small... they have voices that only dolphins can hear if they want to.

I married into a whole family of them and we do a lot of volunteer work with exchange students ... so I get to hear the gamut. If you'll notice via the Lucky Channel segment, they *can* do low voicing :) but the more excited happy they get the more ultrasonic it gets.

[Vexx]

(doublepost oops)

[Ashlotte]

Never hung around japanese teenage girls (or japanese women for that matter), eh? They're small... they have voices that only dolphins can hear if they want to.

I married into a whole family of them and we do a lot of volunteer work with exchange students ... so I get to hear the gamut. If you'll notice via the Lucky Channel segment, they *can* do low voicing :) but the more excited happy they get the more ultrasonic it gets.

Yea I was amazed when I started watching some live action series and such that alot of thier voices just sounded like that....Kinda creepy, but very much cute. ;)

As for the series hype and all that Kyoani nonsense...Honestly i'd never even heard of the show and didnt even touch it until A.F.K put out a sub and guessed it was worth a try. Now that I know whose animating it that explains the really great OP, but doesnt really change my overall opinion on the series so far...Mildly enjoyable with some good potential to become more entertaining later. :p

[Shana]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4870/20070412ce9.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070412ce9.jpg)

LOL. God, good pic ;) .

[Raniie]

I don't think this has been mentioned, but...

http://apollo.divshare.com/apollo2/files/2007/04/12/384923/EP01_Screencap-7.jpg (http://www.divshare.com/download/384923-b47)

[Bloody Nightingale]

Gotta admit this show do good desserts during the April anime season frenzy.
Mild, but not overwhelming. Taste great after all that gravy and grills with cheese stuffings. :heh:
I guess im one of the few oddballs who actually enjoyed the food talk part eh? I like food, rather appealing to me since I usually cook my own snacks and think of those meaningless questions of eating habits as well :D

Nightingale's meaningless habit#1:
The art of instant noodles!
Nightingale's meaningless habit#2:
The ratio of milk and egg for scramble eggs!
Nightingale's meaningless habit#3:
.............
.............
.............Wait I'm not done yet O__O;

*gets dragged out by security guards*

[Daniel E.]

Where did those guys come from. God I hate that picture.

I once heard that they are a bunch of video game editors (IGN staff?) during a private viewing of an upcoming hot video game. They all get excited once the promo of said game starts. The pics are different btw, so this may only apply to one of them.

Or at least thats what I heard, dont take my word for it though. >_< !!

Goodness, I'm glad I didn't haunt the Haruhi forums, then. I would've been scared out of liking the show. :(

Actually, the real dangerous place back then was the suggestions forum....

Member A= Hello guys, I am looking for an anime that....

Everyone= Watch Haruhi !

Member A= Well yes, but what I really want is a......

Everyone= Watch Haruhi !

Member A= Sorry guys, but I dont like Haruhi.

Everyone= ROOAARRR !!!! :heh: :heh: :heh:

Anyway, to go somewhat back on topic. The first I heard of this show was from blog sites, but it wasn't until the Azumanga Daioh comparison started that I actually become interested in this show.

[~Tsukuyomi]

You know the saying these guys are now legends on their own right LOL :heh:
Just made this...


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystar4komafunny.gif


Yeah, I never understood those 4koma guys...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9760/hgamesew5.jpg

[Sheba]

...Mildly enjoyable with some good potential to become more entertaining later. :p
I can't wait until Nanako the teacher and Patricia the transfer student (funny portrayal of japanophile americans ftw!) gets in.

[Dop]

Well I enjoyed it, but then again I have a bit of a soft spot for the inconsequential 'stuff happens' type of thing. At least now with the a.f.k. subs I know what the opening song is about.

Although I think arguably (I'm split between that and Kono talking about her 'friends') the funniest bit was in Lucky Channel when Akira went from bouncy and energetic to angry and embittered.

Look forward to seeing how it develops.

[Vexx]

LOL. God, good pic ;) .

I can't take credit, it was in Bloody Nightengale's post from a Maids! posting.

[kenjiharima]

Yeah, I never understood those 4koma guys...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9760/hgamesew5.jpg

YEAH!!! Much better :D
I dunno either these guys have been spamed through out the 4koma jokes. Really now...I think this is their last run NOT!!!

Well here's something quite shocking...NOT!!! :p


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystarlookalikes.gif

[Vexx]

So... does watching fansubbed anime make me an Otaku or something? Because I'd honestly like to avoid that label.


Too late!!!! Just being REGISTERED on an anime/manga forum makes you 'otaku'!!!!! O the horror!!!! Flee for your life!

Seriously... the 'otaku' label is pretty much broken. The West has mangled the real meaning of the term - til it is just a fancy way of saying "geek/nerd fan of anime". Whereas in Japan, it still means a seriously subcultured lifestyle that may or may not be all that healthy. In Japan, 'otaku' brings up mental imagery in much of the public of a few nutcases who sporadically make the news after committing heinous crimes.... kind of like the mention of D&D in the 80s got you defending yourself from misinformed upstanding idiots about the Satanism and Drugs supposedly surrounding it.

Of course, the word itself is overloaded as historically it means "home" お宅,　御宅 otaku but written as hiragana refers to the slang meaning.
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku)

[Shana]

Yeah, I never understood those 4koma guys...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9760/hgamesew5.jpg

OMG, LOL. Are you crazy:heh: .

[zalas]

As I said, I really *liked* the a.f.k. translation work except for what I'll call "overtranslation" of the food, little of which is alien to anyone who has ever looked at a teriyaki bar menu (sukiyaki, yakitori, etc) (I notice they used "natto" rather than "fermented bean curd" though they used the term "parent child bowl" instead of the japanese term, it got kind of inconsistent). This is PURELY a personal preferential difference though.
I don't know if this was responded to in the pages after you posted (as I can't remember and I'm slightly inebriated), but I believe "parent child bowl" was used because otherwise, the "expanded family bowl" wouldn't make any sense without a note and would destroy the impact of the joke.

[~Tsukuyomi]

YEAH!!! Much better :D
I dunno either these guys have been spamed through out the 4koma jokes. Really now...I think this is their last run NOT!!!

Well here's something quite shocking...NOT!!! :p


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystarlookalikes.gif

Oh really???

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1175/copyrightinfridgementsf9.jpg

[zalas]

You know... all these "similarities" you are finding such as the Chiyo and Akari ones are simply character stereotypes traits reused commonly in stuff like this. In fact, the first thing I thought of in that Chiyo pic was the first transfer student from Konnyaku.

[Vexx]

I think at this point the "similarities" have become a running gag within the thread itself in a bit of self-parody.

[Sorrow-K]

Well here's something quite shocking...NOT!!! :p


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystarlookalikes.gifI knew she looked familiar, but I can't believe I didn't make that connection earlier. Well, it has been years since I saw To Heart, but, damn...

[Kisuke06]

Yeah, I never understood those 4koma guys...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9760/hgamesew5.jpg

LOL :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh:

Perfect! :heh:

[kj1980]

Dadadadadada....it's not daddy but a secret finishing move passed on to Konata Izumi!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDX1cM4Tc4c

really people can think alot of parodies for this anime and it's very fresh!!!

I thought that was a pun on Moguro Fukuzou from "Warau Salesman" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtQ4xcX8REk). But then again, that pointing finger could be from many things.

[mukansa monkey]

:: jumps out of the bushes ::
Kaioshin-sama! Troll! Enemy of Haruhiism!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. Yanno though, being bothered by the lack of manliness in this show seems kind of odd since it's a show about high school girls. Although I'm also tired of having male leads who are whiny/incompetent. Anime needs more guys like Batou. And FYI... there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.

Funny thing, I don't see the OP as being that much about dancing. Much of the footage isn't dancing, and some of the footage that is doesn't have the dance move creativity of Hare Hare Yukai. The fascination for me is with the music itself. I've been trying to figure out what's going on with all the time signature and tempo changes, the music is rather unusual for a "pop" song. Would be curious to hear some analysis from someone with more musical education than I have. I have to give the a.f.k. people major props for putting out what seems like such an accurate translation of the lyrics. Now I can sing it! :D Oh, and I was being driven nutz by the section in the middle after the shots of their legs, from that point to just before the cheerleading section was so reminding me of another song. Finally figured out what it is... "Spice Up Your Life" by the Spice Girls. Same shift to a lower register, with almost the same melody line. And I find both oddly addictive.

Going to put myself into the minority category here, I thought the section where they talk about food was the best part of the whole show. First because I've had conversations that are sooo similar in tone and flow, although not on the same subject matter. Second because I think it's a really good way to start the series by setting a tone that says thinking about the weirdness of everyday topics is the point... clearly we should expect a more cerebral and subtle tone than the sometimes manic pace of AzuDai, let alone the action of SHnY. And finally... because Miyuki is my alter ego. Or maybe I'm hers. She eats cake *just* like me... I've even used the phrase "normal distribution" to describe how I eat desserts. It's bordering on eerie. So I just hope that in my next lifetime I will be that cute!

About the somewhat over-rapid timing of many of the transitions: I'm thinking it may be a side effect of the extra strain that reading subs puts on the brain. A native viewer is going to be hearing the lines while their visual cortex is examining the elements of the scene. Someone who's trying to read the subs and look at the scene, back and forth, is gonna be a bit lagged mentally much of the time. This might make the cuts seem abrupt, when they aren't to the native viewer. Trouble is that a native viewer is also used to certain kidns of comic timing, so the only way to really test this theory is to find someone who's fluent but not immersed in Japanese culture. Or else I could watch a handful of scenes until I've memorized the dialoge, and then try watching without reading the subs at all.

[Ayu-ayu]

"JOIN us...!" (/deadite voice)

Too late!!!! Just being REGISTERED on an anime/manga forum makes you 'otaku'!!!!! O the horror!!!! Flee for your life!


I'd take the comment more seriously if he didn't have that SOS-dan Helicopter sig...:heh:

Still, if you're so self-conscious about your image, than you have no reason to worry. The stereotyped ani-ota couldn't care less, so you're already quite clear of harm's way...:eyespin: (*see Genshiken for further details)

Too bad I missed the earlier OT stuff on moe vs. shoujo...that would be a fun thread in itself. I like to point out that many popular moe series are done by artists also known for shoujo work... (CLAMP's Chobits, Koge-Donbo's DigiCharat, etc) furthering the confusion...oops, sorry, I'll shut up!


To get back on topic, check this cover out :heh: :
http://www.akadotretail.com/images_osc/17012-0507.jpg

[DannoHung]

Too late!!!! Just being REGISTERED on an anime/manga forum makes you 'otaku'!!!!! O the horror!!!! Flee for your life!

Seriously... the 'otaku' label is pretty much broken. The West has mangled the real meaning of the term - til it is just a fancy way of saying "geek/nerd fan of anime". Whereas in Japan, it still means a seriously subcultured lifestyle that may or may not be all that healthy. In Japan, 'otaku' brings up mental imagery in much of the public of a few nutcases who sporadically make the news after committing heinous crimes.... kind of like the mention of D&D in the 80s got you defending yourself from misinformed upstanding idiots about the Satanism and Drugs supposedly surrounding it.

Of course, the word itself is overloaded as historically it means "home" お宅,　御宅 otaku but written as hiragana refers to the slang meaning.
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku)

I'm aware of the Japanese meaning, which is why I'd like to avoid being called an Otaku. Wait... doesn't that make me MORE of an Otaku?!

I'M DOOMED!

[Furudanuki]

The problem with that is that it's somewhat hit and miss. For example, I've been running through Azumanga Daioh - and I still can't find anything that explains what "Summer Service Day" is, and why that might be preferred to the start of the autumn quarter so much that Chio-chan has to do her "Motivation" spell (ep 22)...

If my memory hasn't failed me yet, I'm pretty sure it's just what it sounds like: going to school for a few days during summer break for various things (not sure what things).

FPB is on the right track. :) The original R1 release of AzuDai from ADV included booklets with lots of translation notes (I expect they might just come in handy while watching Lucky Star too...)

"Summer Service Day - In Japan, students are required to show up at school a couple times over the course of summer break. Usually, it's only for a couple of hours and not a whole lot gets done. Maybe a little preliminary planning for the sports or culture fest. Tomo, Osaka, and Yukari all wish it were a summer service day rather than the real first day back in school."

[Daniel E.]

And the parodies continue. :)

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7494/1176295861562bs6.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176295861562bs6.jpg) http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/863/1176295819105rw0.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176295819105rw0.jpg)

[Jazzrat]

Too late!!!! Just being REGISTERED on an anime/manga forum makes you 'otaku'!!!!! O the horror!!!! Flee for your life!

that deserves a
"KEKEKEKE *snort*" :heh:

There's otakuism in everyone but the question is, what level of otakuism do you possess? I think i ll go level up a bit by making some more useless signature.

[Saber Cherry]

(off-topic)

Then we move to Kanon where all the girls are like unrealistic angels in terms of their nature and then we have the one male presence in the entire series in Yuuchi who I think has a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award.

Darn, I saw Kanon 1 and had that impression, but I was hoping Kanon 2006 (which I have not yet started) would have changed him. Guess not :(

re Tsukasa and Akari: There is a strong resemblance, but I think there's a closer match, since their faces are different. I swear I've seen Tsukasa in some other anime (probably with different colored hair) but I can't put my finger on it. I thought it was Pani Poni Dash, but I couldn't find a picture of the complete cast... it's driving me crazy since I get this strong deja-vu every time I see her face (and ribbon).

[Skane]

~ Darn, I saw Kanon 1 and had that impression, but I was hoping Kanon 2006 (which I have not yet started) would have changed him. Guess not :( ~
Not to sound overly-harsh, but I would take what Kaoshin says with a pinch of salt. ;) Yuuichi in Kanon(2006) is widely accepted to be one of the better male leads to appear in recent history, and can be considered to be leagues ahead of Kanon(2002)'s Yuuichi. I am fairly confident that you will end up liking Kanon(2006)'s Yuuichi, confident enough in fact, to make a bet with you. If you wind up disliking Yuuichi at the end of Kanon(2006), feel free to de-rep me for leading you down the wrong path. :heh:

If you have more questions about Kanon(2006), feel free to pop on down to the Kanon sub-forum for more answers. There is a Q&A (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36881) thread for spoiler-free queries.
~~~~ ~~~~

As for Lucky Star, well... currently the main attraction for me is the presence of Kagami and Akira. I am partial to Konata, but some of her mannerisms just doesn't gel with me. Tsukasa is okay at times, but not that memorable to me, and Miyuki is just too ditzy for my liking.

Cheers.

[Starks]

Konata = Cleft-chan
Akira = Cleft-tan

They both have cleft lips.

[KaneDragon]

Meh. I was amused by the dancing in the opening, but the rest of the first episode was just boring. Shame. =/

[garra113]

Favorite part of the show for me....

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2815/part1kv0.jpg <---Part One.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3698/part2if0.jpg <---Part Two.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7501/part3fz2.jpg <---Part Three.

[vin.dictive]

Meh. I was amused by the dancing in the opening, but the rest of the first episode was just boring. Shame. =/

Indeed but IMO, the opening is quite hypnotic and the "I want make you my slave" article on the newspaper incident was somewhat amusing. :D

[molitar]

So any of you compared the version 2 releases by the other groups? If so what group do you think did the best job for Lucky Star?

[fict_ticious]

http://etc.uguu.us/video/motteke_touhoufuku

Lawl.

[RaistlinMajere]

So any of you compared the version 2 releases by the other groups? If so what group do you think did the best job for Lucky Star?

Wow, what a valid question you have there.

[PEDOS_GRANDE]

So any of you compared the version 2 releases by the other groups? If so what group do you think did the best job for Lucky Star?

How about

THE ONE THAT DIDNT HAVE TO RELEASE A VERSION 2?

hahaha just kidding.

Sleeping-Forest's is the best by FAR. Not even close. That a.f.k. group did okay for newbs, but there's no substitue for experience!

[FatPianoBoy]

That a.f.k. group did okay for newbs, but there's no substitue for experience!

...... You're kidding, right? This is Sleeping-Forest's first project, while a.f.k. has done at least two series :rolleyes:

[molitar]

BTW I just love the opening song. But I have to wonder HOW many retakes it took for them to get it right. Man it's like a tongue twister and being an auctioneer in one. The song is so fast at times it's nuts.. I am definitely putting this song on my phone which is also an mp3 player to listen to while driving :)

FatPianoBoy, on a side note if your keeping up with the Haruhi translations I should be releasing volume 5 pdf this weekend on their forums ;)

[Kaioshin Sama]

So right now I'm watching the episode and since comedy is such a subjective subject I feel I will invent a completely random rating system out of nowhere in order to review this episode. So here goes:



Opening: +100 for reasonably tolerable J-Pop that deviates from the usual sugar pop formula. For the formula see the Code Geass Harem Parody opening.

+1000 for loli high kick during cheerleading sequence.

Distance Run: -200 for bizarre jump cut during Konata's speed run.

Eating: -500 for boring segment
+400 for obvious sexual connotation of loli licking what appear to be
something incredibly delicious.
-100 for boring background
+100 for what in gods name is Konata mumbling.
+ 0 for bizarre shadows in the background.
+ 1 for trademark run on sentence by Aya Hirano.

Discussin the Kidnapper:

+ 100 for Konata's mention of Adult games and her inability to come up with an answer.

Discussin the Grades (A Classic Anime Passtime since 1992):

+1000 for Konata being really freaking short.
+5000 for Konata's slight against Miyuki being nothing more than a Moe object (tripping, cutting herself, getting her bag stuck in the door, wearing glasses, the freaking devious monster)
+2000 for Miyuki's ditto eyes.

Following Mikuru, er Miyuki

+129 for oh my god did Miyuki just bump into a wall, BWAHAHAHAHA! The noises too, I swear she's some sort of bizarre test subject to make the most Moe thing on earth. I think I like this character because of the fact that she's a deliberate parody of the Moe genre and shows how absured it really is when you break it down to its core elements as Konata pointed out much to her horror "Miyuki is cute to the core", again an obvious slight against the genre.

+200 for the "A Pillar of Evolution" comment regarding Miyuki's lack of a future other than as a Moe fetish object. HA! They need something like this in some sort of otaku daily strip.... oh wait.

-50 for bizarre transition to next scene.

The Flu:

+200 for Whoa what the hell is going on with Kagami's freakin eyes! :uhoh:
+8000 for Konota is a creeping freaking loli.
-5000 for generic sick girl.
+912 for Konota's lack of tact when greating a sick friend.
-800 for Miyuki and Kagami talking at the same time (this one I'm actually kind of serious about. Chalk it up to bad audio direction or editing I feel.)
-100 for yuri tension when Tsukasa walks in on Kagami and Miyuki.
+1249 for freaking Ditto eyes again.
+2000 for Moe stereotypes are really freaking dumb an Kagami has a right to be annoyed at the infinite loop.

Back at School:

+12000 for what loli is attempting to wear a padded Bra, WHERE?!
+20000 for HOT DAMN THEY ARE EXAMINING THE LOLI'S FOR SMALLPOX.... or something, but whatever. What kind of doctor gets to do this anyway?
+1375 for Konata hasn't grown at all apparently.
+50 for Konota thinks RPG friend are real friends. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....
-5000 for evil foreigner trying to abduct loli.
+10000 for loli kicking foreigner's ass without getting hit (This is actually almost like how the Street Fighter 1 system worked. Everything did a lot of damage)
-100000 for a distinct lack of Guile's theme (http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/sf2Guile456.mid) in the segment (that's like my second favourite theme in all of street fighter next to Ken's theme. The character himself kind of sucks though).
+1000 for Konata terrifies the ever loving crap out of me in one short cut here. This is why you never screw with the loli's and their anime watching time (here that MLB). :upset: :(

Lucky Channel:

-50000 for AH KILL IT! NOW!
+1 for slightly less annoying sidekick to hyper girl.
+1301 for showing what is likely the true side of everybody's favourite idols. They probably aren't as nice as you think.

IT'S OVER!

+10000 for Chihari Minori not showing up in any capacity in the episode. Let's keep it this way for as many episodes as possible.



So tallying it up we get a -78632/MOE. The distinct lack of Guile's Theme really hit the show hard it would seem. Lesson is, don't mess with a guy and his 16-Bit era video game music.



That being said, I found the segments that took deliberate pot shots at the Otaku scene to be the funniest. Unfortunately they only encompassed about a 1/3 of the jokes at most so the rest were just kind of meh. If this show wants me to really like it, it needs to keep up with the Otaku jokes. Go after me and my mecha, I don't care, go after lolicon too if you want, but just do the Otaku jokes more often.

[RaistlinMajere]

...... You're kidding, right? This is Sleeping-Forest's first project, while a.f.k. has done at least two series :rolleyes:

NO WAI! srsly?

[PEDOS_GRANDE]

...... You're kidding, right? This is Sleeping-Forest's first project, while a.f.k. has done at least two series :rolleyes:

Holy crap, AT LEAST TWO?

[Skane]

The facetiousness is killing me!

AHHHH!

[FatPianoBoy]

... I'm missing something... :uhoh:

[Sorrow-K]

a.f.k. has been around since at least '02, from memory. They have a reputation, particularly recently, of localizing the language in their translations, which is counter to the attitude of a lot of other groups, which leave some words in Japanese (eg, otaku, moe, etc). Personally, I actually think it's a good way to do things, since it leads to a more thorough translation, and doesn't leave it's audience in the dark if they aren't familiar with otaku terminology.

[Starks]

I dug up a video of the OP stripped of the vocals. The OP is lame without the singing because the background music absolutely sucks. It just goes to show you how voice-dependent the OP is.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/krwrqf

[Skane]

... I'm missing something... :uhoh:
No Sir. You're missing nothing. Nothing I say! NOTHING!

In other news, the number of times Konata punched the foreigner before her hurricane kick is nine times.

Two licks, three licks. How many licks does it take to eat a choco-cone?

Narf.

[FatPianoBoy]

No Sir. You're missing nothing. Nothing I say! NOTHING!


Okay, now I feel like people are making fun of me...

[Daniel E.]

http://etc.uguu.us/video/motteke_touhoufuku

Lawl.

That was pretty cool ! :)

[Jazzrat]

Over-translation is never a bad thing. If you are familiar enough with the otaku culture, you should have picked up the term from listening alone.

Beside, the more you watched anime... shouldnt you rely less on the subs?

[Skane]

Kagami is Love.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8576/ep01kagami01256cja5.gif (http://imageshack.us)
First come, first serve.

Cheers.

[DragoonKain3]

Me take! XD

Would give rep, but wont let me lol!

[Matt Soulblade]

Over-translation is never a bad thing. If you are familiar enough with the otaku culture, you should have picked up the term from listening alone.

Beside, the more you watched anime... shouldnt you rely less on the subs?

I think exactly the same. People with experience should have noted when 'moe' was said, while people with less experience can understand somewhat the meaning of the conversation.

BTW I hope the meaningless talk can be reduced in the next episode...

[~Tsukuyomi]

http://etc.uguu.us/video/motteke_touhoufuku

Lawl.

Touhou seems to making parodies of this like crazy... Already seen 3 made in this week...

[Skane]

Two more for the road. I would also like to note that I felt like I was being brainwashed having to loop the OP to and fro so many times just to make sure I extracted all the frames.

"Darling, darling, please!"

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6937/ep01kagami02256ctp9.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7594/ep01kagami03256ctk6.gif (http://imageshack.us)
"First come, first serve."

The above GIFs are actually 3 times slower than the actual animation. In actuality, there are only SIX frames in total, of which only FIVE are unique. So basically I took a lot of liberties to make sure the above GIFs are somewhat presentable.

Cheers.

[Mirrinus]

Yeah, a.f.k. really does seem to do things differently compared to some other fansub groups. Kanon episode 20 comes to mind, in the scene where Yuuichi is teasing Ayu about using the term "boku". Since "boku" doesn't have an English equivalent, I really thought they did a decent job conveying the message across the culture gap. I recall one blogger praising their work in that scene as an example of good fansubbing.

[Pellissier]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6937/ep01kagami02256ctp9.gif (http://imageshack.us) http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7594/ep01kagami03256ctk6.gif (http://imageshack.us)
"First come, first serve."
I claim this! :heh:

No seriously :p , just wanted to say that I posted the same gif as the first (just 100x100) some days ago (and several pages ago, post 609), and it's currently in use ;)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9135/luckystar106mv7.gif

By the way, these were the unclaimed, they could still be useful :)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3491/luckystar101hr1.gif http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7743/luckystar102tv0.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2219/luckystar103vj2.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8370/luckystar104jl4.gif http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/734/luckystar105te9.gif

[Wandering_Youth]

Hmm. What an adorable anime this is and Izumi is voiced by Hirano Aya! Izumi's also the main heroine it seems and her personality is just hilarious. Awsome!

The first episode seemed so random though with the characters talking about nonsense and small talk. I'll probably check out the next 3 episodes to see if this anime leads any where.

[Skane]

I claim this! :heh:

No seriously :p , just wanted to say that I posted the same gif as the first (just 100x100) some days ago (and several pages ago, post 609), and it's currently in use ;)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9135/luckystar106mv7.gif ~
I thought you might have done something similar already, since I recalled you mentioning about avatars from the OP, but I also know you rarely do "widescreen" avatars and that Kagami scene just begged to be seen in more detail. :heh:

Especially when she goes to the corner and spies out of one eye.

IT'S SO CUTE!!!!

Cheers.

[Pellissier]

I thought you might have done something similar already, since I recalled you mentioning about avatars from the OP, but I also know you rarely do "widescreen" avatars and that Kagami scene just begged to be seen in more detail. :heh:
Let's just say that using the afk version is simplier than the 120 fps raw ;)

:p

[Daniel E.]

I also made another one. :p

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2001/luckygif1el4.gif

Kinda looks as if she is crying. :heh:

[Ashlotte]

*eyes avatars* Mmm...so tempting...*randomly steals an unclaimed one* :heh:

And I cant remember when I started adding A.F.K. to the list of fansubbers I watch out for, but yea they've never disappointed me before. ;)

Oh and awesome episode breakdown kaioshin. Excluding the guile bit I think it mirrored most of my thoughts on the episode...Kindof uneven, but enjoyable nonetheless. :p

[Vexx]

So any of you compared the version 2 releases by the other groups? If so what group do you think did the best job for Lucky Star?

Just watched them..... errrrr, something *happened* to the video with SF. The video quality went down from their first version. The font choice in the story was better (didn't block view so bad) but the karaoke seriously blocked the action in the OP. Timing seems a bit rough in spots for the subtitles. I still like the way they're just leaving the food names alone (just my preference) but their explanatory notes should be in a much smaller font (people interested can always hit pause if they really want to know).
This is a new group and new effort so if they want to use this series to practice on because they love the show, more power to them. They're still learning how to use various tools - I'd suggest they play around with styles and get some feedback.

A.F.K. doesn't have a v2 out that I'm aware of... their first effort looked fine so my only whining is a matter of preference of translation style for food items. I thought they handled the speech styles, slang, and so forth fairly well. I like their font (not as fond of pink as they are though) and the quality of their video output was good (I don't know if the video quality problem with SF was due to raw source or some encode evil but their v1 played better on all my players).


@FPB: some of the posters confusing you have a history of sorts. Credibility... .... well you can always review their posts you know (thats what I do when someone has me scratching my head).

[Skane]

I also made another one. :p

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2001/luckygif1el4.gif

Kinda looks as if she is crying. :heh:
You may have your Tsukasa, I will go with Kagami. :heh:

Sleepy-mode Kagami this time,
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9995/ep01kagami04055cgn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

So are we at the point where despite any flaws the whimsical Lucky Star may have, Kyoto Animation is absolved of the shortcomings and Lucky Star is the infalliable perfect show of the season or does that come with episode 2? Is it even coming this time or is just the fun little series its meant to be?

That's what I hate most of all when watching one of their shows, ever since Haruhi I have had this fear that I'm about to get swept up in something I want no part of when watching a Kyoto show. *Fidget, bites lip....AAH what was that, oh my foot.....*. If I sleep tonight and have nightmares about that creepy Konata face I'm holding everybody here responsible. :o :uhoh: Phew, there's actually less Konata avatars than I thought, I think I'm starting to hallucinate. Wait no there aren't, its starting again...... or is it. Need to sleep, paranoia running at levels uncharted....

[Daniel E.]

You may have your Tsukasa, I will go with Kagami. :heh:


Well, my favorite girl so far is Miyuki, I just went with the Tsukasa one because I though it would be easier to make. :)

[Skane]

So are we at the point where despite any flaws the whimsical Lucky Star may have, Kyoto Animation is absolved of the shortcomings and Lucky Star is the infalliable perfect show of the season or does that come with episode 2? Is it even coming this time or is just the fun little series its meant to be?

That's what I hate most of all when watching one of their shows, ever since Haruhi I have had this fear that I'm about to get swept up in something I want no part of when watching a Kyoto show. *Fidget, bites lip....AAH what was that, oh my foot.....*. If I sleep tonight and have nightmares about that creepy Konata face I'm holding everybody here responsible. :o :uhoh: Phew, there's actually less Konata avatars than I thought, I think I'm starting to hallucinate. Need to sleep.


It's the end of the world! The end is NIGH! Whatever shall we do?!?!



But seriously...


There are no hordes here screaming about the perfection of Lucky Star. Stop looking for dragons and ghosts where there are none.
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This is a thread for the DISCUSSION of Lucky Star. Were you expecting the haters to waste their time bitching about how much they hated the show after the initial episode? Most people who don't like Lucky Star have better things to do than to waste their time talking about it in a thread dedicated to it because you know, they might rather spend their time watching other shows and talk about those shows instead on their respective discussion threads.
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If you really, really want to find people who don't like Lucky Star, go to the Anti threads on 4ch. This is not the Anti thread for Lucky Star. It is also by no means the "worship" thread, but common sense dictates that as time goes by, the majority of the posters in here will be people who enjoyed Lucky Star enough to stick around and talk about it. Common sense! :p
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Are you in the habit of entering Apple Stores and asking people why they hate Microsoft so much? Does it even make sense to do so? Do you think it is weird to find vegetarians in the PETA HQ? How many butchers do you think work in the RSPCA? Do you expect to find proponents of whale-fishing working in Greenpeace?

Good grief. Think about the territory you are posting in before you start making sweeping statements about Lucky Star. This thread does not represent the world.

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

It's the end of the world! The end is NIGH! Whatever shall we do?!?!



But seriously...


There are no hordes here screaming about the perfection of Lucky Star. Stop looking for dragons and ghosts where there are none.
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This is a thread for the DISCUSSION of Lucky Star. Were you expecting the haters to waste their time bitching about how much they hated the show after the initial episode? Most people who don't like Lucky Star have better things to do than to waste their time talking about it in a thread dedicated to it because you know, they might rather spend their time watching other shows and talk about those shows instead on their respective discussion threads.
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If you really, really want to find people who don't like Lucky Star, go to the Anti threads on 4ch. This is not the Anti thread for Lucky Star. It is also by no means the "worship" thread, but common sense dictates that as time goes by, the majority of the posters in here will be people who enjoyed Lucky Star enough to stick around and talk about it. Common sense! :p
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Are you in the habit of entering Apple Stores and asking people why they hate Microsoft so much? Does it even make sense to do so? Do you think it is weird to find vegetarians in the PETA HQ? How many butchers do you think work in the RSPCA? Do you expect to find proponents of whale-fishing working in Greenpeace?

Good grief. Think about the territory you are posting in before you start making sweeping statements about Lucky Star. This thread does not represent the world.

Cheers.

Damn I forgot my common sense. I can't put logical thoughts together at this moment otherwise I would have long since caught on to your number 3 point. My IQ is probably cut in half right now after being awake for 28 hours and all the gears aren't running properly, the past is meeting the present as well. Sorry folks.

[Ashlotte]

Ah dangit skane...Whyd you have to add that one after I just changed my avy. :heh:

*steals anyway*

And i'll be happy if the show just gives me a few good laughs per episode. For this one it was mostly from the channel bit at the end...I half expected her to break out a pack of cigs when she started ranting. :heh:

[Vexx]

Oh, I've been known to hang about long after I've decided I loathe a show (sometimes just in amazement).... but really, this show isn't perfect.

It *is* just the kind of show I tend to like the most in anime (insert heavy references to Peanuts, Calvin&Hobbes, a bit of Bloom County and blend with japanese sauces and life-seasoning). Frankly, the BGM music in the food discussion scene says it all musically for me :)
The R1 release will be going next to Azumanga-Daioh and Pani Poni Dash in my library.

Personally, I think Konata-chan, moppy-haired, antennae, zen face, droll voicing et al is a treasure, not creepy.... but I'm a sucker for petite little moppy-headed, antennae-sprouting, growly-voiced, asian females.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Oh, I've been known to hang about long after I've decided I loathe a show (sometimes just in amazement).... but really, this show isn't perfect.

It *is* just the kind of show I tend to like the most in anime (insert heavy references to Peanuts, Calvin&Hobbes, a bit of Bloom County and blend with japanese sauces and life-seasoning). Frankly, the BGM music in the food discussion scene says it all musically for me :)
The R1 release will be going next to Azumanga-Daioh and Pani Poni Dash in my library.

Personally, I think Konata-chan, moppy-haired, antennae, zen face, droll voicing et al is a treasure, not creepy.... but I'm a sucker for petite little moppy-headed, antennae-sprouting, growly-voiced, asian females.

Okay well I'm fairly certain she's going to give me nightmares at some point. She has the kind of voice that haunts you in your sleep. Plus the stare, it's like that one picture of Haruhi with the eyes boring into you. I think I called it the "Face of Evil" or something. That being said she is my favourite character. Sometimes its the characters that get under your skin and inside your head where you don't want them the most that you end up preferring. Anyway if you want to see expert lurking, look for me in the Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight Thread whenever it resurfaces. That my friend is good lurking.

Anyway, I think I've noticed your penchant for the er... what you called them. I'm not sure what I prefer yet in an anime female, but it probably involves Rie Kugimiya and lots of angry shouting, possibly "Onichan you (insert rambling sentence) Baka" *Blunt Object* and such.

[herbert]

You may have your Tsukasa, I will go with Kagami. :heh:

Sleepy-mode Kagami this time,
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9995/ep01kagami04055cgn4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.
I did a similiar one (http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9012/511xn6.gif) a few pages ago, a closeup if compared with yours. And there is another unclaimed:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3082/513bs8.gif

[Tokkan]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3491/luckystar101hr1.gif

Claimed, Repped.

[Saber Cherry]

I'm not sure what I prefer yet in an anime female, but it probably involves Rie Kugimiya and lots of angry shouting, possibly "Onichan you (insert rambling sentence) Baka" *Blunt Object* and such.

Awesome, they should make a series based on that!

[ilovewaffles]

Somethings wrong.... I watched this series at 1 am, it's now 5:30am and I'm still dreadfully searching the internet for lyrics to the OP while having the OP on auto replay in the background X__________x

Someone translate this for me XD


もってけ！セーラーふく (Motteke! Sailor Fuku)
by 平野 綾, 加藤 英美里, 福原 香織 & 遠藤 綾
(by Aya Hirano, Emiri Katou, Kaori Fukuhara & Aya Endo)

曖昧3cm、それプニってことかい？　超！
ら、ぐーんぐんな制服　らぶりーってことない？　ぶん！
がんばっちゃう？　やっちゃっちゃう？　そんとっきゃちゃんとリリースよ

I say フー！　I say フー！　谷間にダーリンダーリン　フリーズ！

なん語る　なんか出る　愛してる
あれ、１個が違ってる？　むー
悩みん坊　鋼鉄棒　おいしん坊
いい加減にしなさい！

飛んでった　アイツも　火照るかな？
だって、いわゆる普通の女のコ
驚いた　私だけ！？
豚骨　はりがね　おかわりだだだだー！

ぼんぼん 応援団　Let’s get! チェリーパイ
らんらん 歓迎会　You’ve got a sensation!
はーい！ 存在感　テンテン 小惑星
ぶつかって溶けました　呆然　多いに歌って　試練だー

持っていけ　最後に笑っちゃうのは私のハズ
セーラー服だからです、結論！
月曜日なのに機嫌悪いの、どうするよ？
夏服がいいのです　かわいい☆

Saying! 3ピース　そりゃ待てって躊躇だ（やーん）
がんばって！はりきって！
マイダーリン、ダーリン、ぷりーず☆


thanks i love you x_x

[Skane]

It's been translated already. Refer to [a.f.k.]'s fansub. They included the lyrics of the OP.

Cheers.

[ilovewaffles]

It's been translated already. Refer to [a.f.k.]'s fansub. They included the lyrics of the OP.

Cheers.

lol okay, thanks XD i got the SF-S =\ oh well . they subbed it with "something" a lot lol

[WanderingKnight]

About the quality of a.f.k.'s release, let me tell you something: I'm currently studying English translation, and what we've been always told at the Translation subject, is that a translation is not a translation of words, but a translation of content and context. You have to bring the content and translate it to another context. That means it should be adapted, while staying as close to the original meaning as possible (a full adaptation is something else, but the process is kind of similar). But yeah, if there isn't any "moe" in the usual speech of Americans, you should find some kind of equivalence for it in the context of an American dialog. I agree with a.f.k.'s choosing of doing this regardless of a supposed "knowledge" of the western fandom of such terms as "moe" (many, many people who watch fansubs don't post in these forums, and there are many who don't really know what moe is). And yeah, the "boku" part in Kanon was clearly the sign of a master.

OK, rambling about translation done.

[kenjiharima]

Ever got tired of Kona-chan's cat smile?


I know...I don't know how but... LOL :heh:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/konatakissu.jpg


Seems to me Konata is the only unique character here in Lucky Star since she's the MOST different among's the others in design.

[Pellissier]

Blinking Kagami:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1157/luckystar1kagami1is1.gif

Barking Kagami (it's the scene where she yells at Miyuki after the medical checkup)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6947/luckystar1kagami2zg1.gif

[Quajafrie]

So unfunny.

[Woland]

Wow, the competition level for Kagami is scaring! really!

Well let's see, how about this one?

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4269/kagami0102me5.gif

v2

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/756/kagami0102bisbp5.gif

[glyph]

About the quality of a.f.k.'s release, let me tell you something: I'm currently studying English translation, and what we've been always told at the Translation subject, is that a translation is not a translation of words, but a translation of content and context. You have to bring the content and translate it to another context. That means it should be adapted, while staying as close to the original meaning as possible (a full adaptation is something else, but the process is kind of similar). But yeah, if there isn't any "moe" in the usual speech of Americans, you should find some kind of equivalence for it in the context of an American dialog. I agree with a.f.k.'s choosing of doing this regardless of a supposed "knowledge" of the western fandom of such terms as "moe" (many, many people who watch fansubs don't post in these forums, and there are many who don't really know what moe is). And yeah, the "boku" part in Kanon was clearly the sign of a master.

OK, rambling about translation done.

OOT: Out of curiousity, just how did a.f.k. get the "boku" thing across in their version?

[NaweG]

http://etc.uguu.us/video/motteke_touhoufuku

Lawl.

Pretty cool. This looks like a rough from the storyboarding for this. Is that the case?

[Ascaloth]

NO! No Storyboard, No Pacing! Moe Moe, More Important Damnit! *Smashes Table and fork flys across the room* Grah Not Enough Time To Get More Moe In, Need Think Less More Moe.

That aside I'd like to talk about one of the things that bothers me about Kyoto Animation. There seeming need to have every product they do be as emasculating as possible. So if we start with the series that made them huge, Haruhi is loud a loud bossy teenager with breasts that seem to get more shapely with each passing episode, and the men, specifically Kyon the more normal and level headed male and Itsuki who is arguably as level headed are forced to submit to her will. Then we have Yuki who is arguably just as powerful as Haruhi and so yeah, the men are pathetic. Then we move to Kanon where all the girls are like unrealistic angels in terms of their nature and then we have the one male presence in the entire series in Yuuchi who I think has a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award. So again Kyoto Animation attempts to show that men suck and we've got men are weak and douches, oh and apparentely always wrong. Then we move on to Lucky Star and I learn from Konata that Foreigners are evil and she proceeds to beat the crap out of a western male. So now we are not only apparently subordinate to women and douches, but now we are evil "Evil Male Gaijin" and need to be taught a lesson by lolis. So my question to Kyoto Animation is.... Why do you hate my demographic so damn much?

I guess then if the trend continues I am to assume that Clannad is about a white American jerkass males relationship with the most moe and angelic looking loli ever and him getting put in his place and pummeled every episode by her to the cheers of the fanbase? :confused:

Quite possibly the last time that ever happens in a Kyoto Animation work too. There having way too successful a run with the moe gig to return to that anytime soon if ever. Guess Full Metal Panic Film Partners will pass the torch to another animation studio again like they did with Gonzo.

@Wanderingknight: Yeah in the Haruhi books Kyon was much better and I'm sure unvoiced Yuuchi was a fairly nice guy, but Sugita Tomokazu has the uncanny ability to make every character he does come across as a complete and unmitigated jerkoff. I don't know how he does it, but it could serve him really well in the right role. He should be playing villain characters that get under your skin, not a harem guy. That being said, yes recently females have been the lead in most shows recently and the men are now fairly weak. I guess its revenge for all the times the female characters got slapped around in Gundam and 70's/80's mecha anime, which would be a hell of a lot. I think they have about 20 years to make up for now. Better get a helmet guy's its going to be all 12 rounds.

Okay, Kaioshin, you leave me no choice but to go OT and call you out on this one (and yes, you know I mean business when I'm no longer trying to pin a moe-ified suffix on you). But I have to say it; you are just being totally unfair. monir-san stated earlier that he doesn't think you talk out of your ass.....but if what you just said wasn't you talking out of your ass, I don't know what is.

First Specimen of Kaioshin's Lack of Fairness: Kyoto Animation's Kanon (2006)

I'll be honest, Kaioshin, I am absolutely flabbergasted that you can describe the Kanon girls as "unrealistic angels in terms of their nature". Especially when earlier on, you claimed, and I quote you, that "the girls are obnoxiously cute, but it's done naturally".

Which is the truth? Or are you just flip-flopping according to your fancy? Which side of you am I supposed to take seriously, the "tsun-tsun" or the "dere-dere" side? Or is one just as much of a lie as the other?

If I'm not mistaken, you only lasted, at most, five episodes of Kanon (2006) before dropping it because of your paranoia that made you mistakenly believe that the Kanon regulars are going to go HARUHI-MODE on you, right? In other words, your criticism of KyoAni's Yuuichi as a male lead with "a good shot at winning the annual biggest douche in the universe award" is merely an observation based on what you saw of Yuuichi for the first five episodes....which means you never saw the character development of Yuuichi for the remaining 19 episodes, which in other words, means you're making a judgement on KyoAni's Yuuichi on a baseless assumption.

No wonder you're judging KyoAni's Yuuichi with words better suited for Toei's Yuuichi. You don't know jack shit about the guy, and in fact, I'm wondering whether you're judging Toei's Yuuichi instead, and assuming with no basis whatsoever that KyoAni's Yuuichi is cut from the same mould. How do you expect people to take you seriously that way?

....oh, and about that thing about men being always in the wrong? Get used to it, it's a view held by half of the world population. :p

Second Specimen of Kaioshin's Lack of Fairness: Tomokazu Sugita

Again, you're beating the dead horse about the choice of Sugita as Yuuichi not to your taste. And again, I have to bring up the same point; how many episodes of Kanon did you manage in the end? Five, to put it generously? No wonder all you heard of Sugita's performance as Yuuichi was indeed as you say....except you entirely missed out on the best parts of his voice performance throughout Kanon 2K6.

In other words, you're committing the same mistake again; you're judging Sugita's performance as Yuuichi with words better suited to his performance as Kyon, and in fact, I'm wondering whether you're judging Sugita as Kyon instead, and assuming with no basis whatsoever that it's the same as his performance as Yuuichi. Maybe you just don't like his voice, in which case I'm not going to condemn you for your personal preferences....but what I'm calling you out on, is that you're not giving him a chance in the first place.

I conclude my call-out of you here. I'll be honest with you, Kaioshin; if it was anybody else saying the same things you do, I'll probably have gone HARUHI-MODE on him by now, as you no doubt already know of my reputation here on these boards. But in your case, I'm doing my best to talk to you as a friend here; I feel you deserve as much, since I feel that you make good points at your best times, and you also show signs that your worst times are basically due to you lacking proper judgement at the time due to lack of sleep; something I've been through before myself. Still, my advice is; despite whatever strong opinions you may have about any particular topic, please try to run whatever you wish to say through your head the next time, instead of throwing them out right from your ass. At the rate you're going now, you should understand why you're not making that many friends around here.

It's probably because every Kyoto Animation show is an instant hit no matter what it is. They don't really have to do anything to begin with other than have their name on it, kind of like Bones and to a lesser extent Sunrise and and Gainax. The company honestly needs their own forum along with Sunrise, Gainax and BONES. I'm starting to wonder if that's how it should go from here on out. Just have a forum for each big company and empty it out once a year.

Really though its just me and a bunch of the same guys posting over and over again. If you look at it its actually only about 10-15 people posting all that frequently. Thank me for the long ass thread.

And just like Bones, Sunrise and Gainax, KyoAni started from the bottom; would you care to go way back in time and check on the FMP and AIR (TV) threads, at the time when KyoAni were just a new company starting on their first indepedent projects? I'll bet you that there wasn't any "instant hit" talk back then. So you may moan and bitch about KyoAni this, KyoAni that....but the fact is, they earned their reputation just as much as the aforementioned three studios.

So once again, you're being unfair. Chill, please.

[Larcx]

may i request konata avatar
the time is from 5:11-5:13
when she eat the ice cream
and please make it less than 37kb
Thx so much^^

[radancein]

I could have swore this thread was only 40 pages long when I checked yesterday, and now I have to read for another 15-20 minutes before I can add my 2 cents.

Anyway, it looks like most of my thoughts are already expressed by others. Lucky Star seems to be an above average show, and I thoroughly enjoyed the first episode.

Unlike many on here, I quite like the food segment, but then again, I was one of the few laughing my head off while watching Haruhi episode 0.

[Sai the Dreamer]

So once again, you're being unfair. Chill, please.

Took the words right out of my mouth. ;)

One thing I'd like to add is that you're probably picturing series the wrong way if you think a studio defines the series' success. KyoAni being the team to produce Lucky Star merely makes it a series with high expectations; it does not necessarily mean Lucky Star will be spectacular, as has been proven by the very mixed responses to the first episode. That is to say though most people are only watching the series because it was produced by Kyoto Animation, they aren't necessarily enjoying the series for that same reason.

But really, chill out - they're just a harmless little anime production studio. :heh:

[Skane]

may i request konata avatar
the time is from 5:11-5:13
when she eat the ice cream
and please make it less than 37kb
Thx so much^^
An amended version of one that I did earlier.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5016/ep01konata02080cvm9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers.

[Larcx]

Tq very musch skane:D

[Nemo_N]

^Hey we're twins :D .

No biggie; Ep 2 should have more avatar material.

[Duo Maxwell]

Didn't intend to join this thread, but it looks fun since everyone gathers here having at least one Lucky Star's avatar XD.
This is the first time I see an anime that every of its scene being taken like this ^^.

[kenjiharima]

Didn't intend to join this thread, but it looks fun since everyone gathers here having at least one Lucky Star's avatar XD.
This is the first time I see an anime that every of its scene being taken like this ^^.

LOL!!! I wished I had that avatar looks creepy...but cute at the same time :D
I love every bit of Kona-chan~~!!! :heh:

[Pellissier]

LOL!!! I wished I had that avatar looks creepy...but cute at the same time :D
I love every bit of Kona-chan~~!!! :heh:
I happen to have one from that scene.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2476/konata2rc0.png

This is the first time I see an anime that every of its scene being taken like this ^^.
If so then you haven't come across the experience of Suzumiya Haruhi. That is the only anime I can tell for sure that all of its avatarable has been avatarized ^^

[kenjiharima]

But it seems Haruhi will step down for now and let Kona-chan take the lead 'cause she's been promoting alot of anime as of late. Haruhi,FSN,Shuffle,Streetfighter...etc
This is one proof that the torch is now passed. God I love parody mag cover of FSN and Lucky Star.

[Daniel E.]

^Hey we're twins :D .

No biggie; Ep 2 should have more avatar material.

Both posts really look similar. :eyespin:

If I were a half-asleep mod, I would probably delate/merge one thinking you were double posting. :heh:

About the quality of a.f.k.'s release, let me tell you something: I'm currently studying English translation, and what we've been always told at the Translation subject, is that a translation is not a translation of words, but a translation of content and context.

The told me the same thing. We are probably taking a similar course.

[dspr8_rugged]

Seen the pilot episode. It's cute and it's random, as expected. Which isn't exactly a bad thing, IMO. At least I know what to expect every week.

And damn it, I'm now OFFICIALLY addicted to that infamous OP.

Well, I found myself chuckling to some parts, while in most parts I was silent. Either I didn't get the gags or they weren't supposed to be funny yet I was trying to find out the gag itself. Guess I'll watch it again.

I really find the part where Konata was licking the choco cornet VERY CUTE. I love that scene to bits. Sorry, Miyuki, not even your cute clumsy acts got my vote for the cutest scene of the week.

[Riker]

Lucky☆Haruhi:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7535/1176279631551ge8.th.png (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176279631551ge8.png)

Lucky☆Mikuru, Lucky☆Yuki

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2871/1176456433519ef0.th.png (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176456433519ef0.png) http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8167/1176466449477sb1.th.png (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176466449477sb1.png)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1272/1176456006822gc9.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176456006822gc9.jpg) http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1162/1176396381225lu3.th.png (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176396381225lu3.png)


Well here's something quite shocking...NOT!!! :p

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/MagicalKanan/luckystarlookalikes.gif

Lucky☆Akari

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3641/1176402850956en6.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1176402850956en6.jpg)

[Skane]

Seeing those parodies made think of the following.

"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated into the Borg."

Natch.

[Daniel E.]

Lucky☆Mikuru, Lucky☆Yuki

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To tell you the truth, I get more Belldandy vibes than Mikuru ones from Miyuki. Then again, I wont deny there's a bit of Mikuru in there as well. :p

Nice vectors btw. The outlines could have been better, but good work overall. :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Took the words right out of my mouth. ;)

One thing I'd like to add is that you're probably picturing series the wrong way if you think a studio defines the series' success. KyoAni being the team to produce Lucky Star merely makes it a series with high expectations; it does not necessarily mean Lucky Star will be spectacular, as has been proven by the very mixed responses to the first episode. That is to say though most people are only watching the series because it was produced by Kyoto Animation, they aren't necessarily enjoying the series for that same reason.

But really, chill out - they're just a harmless little anime production studio. :heh:

You don't need to tell me twice as the harmless little anime production studio is the view I've held all along (don't know what went on last night with all that nonsense I posted) Try telling that to the bloggers though. Have you, have you ever been on an anime blog Billy. In order to enjoy anime blogs to the fullest it is usually best to discard ones sense of logic and judgement and then go in and read about the series. They also have a habit of being overly defensive and often lash out when their views are questioned on certain matters. I confirmed this for myself yet again today actually on a blog I thought was run by a fairly reasonable person.

Anyway, enough of that.

@Ascaloth: For a second there I though that was about my review of the episode. You can see my answers in the PM I sent you.

About last night, odds are I've just built a bomb shelter for a nuclear strike that is never coming and now I can't get out because the doors stuck. :(

[Kaoru Chujo]

...About last night, odds are I've just built a bomb shelter for a nuclear strike that is never coming and now I can't get out because the doors stuck....Rep to you, Kaioshin. What a wonderful statement. We should all remember not to get stuck in our bomb shelters.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Rep to you, Kaioshin. What a wonderful statement. We should all remember not to get stuck in our bomb shelters.

Whoa, thanks. Though I'm not entirely sure I deserve it though, for the circumstances surrounding its coming about, being unpleasant.

[Sheba]

On the others it's either stomping it into the ground or worshipping it because it reminds them of Haruhi or they are loyal to Kyoto Animation.
Because fans of other big studios are more rational, amirite? Know what? I felt the same about Gainax and its rabid fans. But I have decided to ignore the studio, most of its productions and its fanbase, I may miss some things but at least it is healthier for me than moaning about everything. Maybe you should do the same? Or, like some have said, take a chill pill.

[Vexx]

Stupid people with headbands and banners all thrashing each other over imagined slights and fuzzy thinking about honor or "defending" things as if they were ascended bits of perfection that needed defending at all .....

Time to put that two minute scene of the crowd re-enacting religious history via Brian's shoe on permament loop.... yeesh.
(Life of Brian ref)

[Sheba]

Time to put that two minute scene of the crowd re-enacting religious history via Brian's shoe on permament loop.... yeesh.
(Life of Brian ref)
OMG I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!!

Stoning scene and Biggus Dickus are forever burnt in my brain ;___;

[Kaioshin Sama]

OMG I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!!

Stoning scene and Biggus Dickus are forever burnt in my brain ;___;

So you are telling me to always look on the bright side of life then eh. Hmm, the door seems to have opened.

I'd like to retool and reasses my analysis of the characters now:

As of now I think the funniest characters are in order Konata (Crazy Otaku Nutcase with no idea as to how the real world works), Miyuki (Personification of Moe at its most basic elements), Kagami (The voice of reason and arguably the real main character, also a much better Kyon than Kyon ever was).

Something tells me though unless Chihara Minori can wake up and realize she's voice acting in an anime, Minami is probably going to be a poorer parody of the quiet girl stereotype than she could be. And according to the wiki article Konata's cousin Yutaka who represents the stereotypical sick girl in harem anime will be joining the cast eventually. I hope Konata points out to her what her role is and that they play the sick girl thing for some good laughs I think I will like Patrica Martin though as she seems to be a personification of what the Japanese seem to think all American people are like (Though nobody will ever beat Getter Robo's Jack King for "What the hell is he saying and Stop shouting", I quote the lines "Sa Buki Wa To Much High Power Man, Now Hurry, Haiyaku Ike!" and "Oh Sorry [in falsetto], Watashi Wa, U.S.A ,You is Japang").

Really the characters are like humbler versions of the Haruhi cast that I'm pretty sure was chosen deliberately by Kyoto Animation now that they've reached the same pillar as Sunrise did with SD Gundam and Gainax will with Evangelion@School. The point where they can turn around and poke fun at themselves for some of their shortcomings. For Sunrise it was convoluted plots, for Gainax it was overly serious character analyisis that came across as goofy at times and for Kyoto Animation, I guess it would be their reliance on Moe and Dating Sims, which are nicely represented by Miyuki and Konata respectively.

[Vexx]

Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....

[Nemo_N]

^I join this request; it has been bugging me since I watched it.

(PS: My dirty mind thought they were expecting, er, something else... Those familiar with H-Manga/H-Anime should know what do I mean)

[grevierr]

This should happen...
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[Mirrinus]

Hmm...now I need to go find sprite rips for the SHnY Mugen and that Lucky☆Star scene...

[CrowKenobi]

Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....

^I join this request; it has been bugging me since I watched it.

(PS: My dirty mind thought they were expecting, er, something else... Those familiar with H-Manga/H-Anime should know what do I mean)I thought it was Minoru making a cameo before LSC, but I'm wondering if it's a reference to time travelers using the closet as a cover for their time traveling... :D

(but then again, it could be something else) ;)

:cool:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Hmm...now I need to go find sprite rips for the SHnY Mugen and that Lucky☆Star scene...

I'm pretty sure the only character is Yuki and she has Haruhi, Mikuru and Ryoko as strikers. Mikuru and Haruhi are borderline useless as Mikuru doesn't do anything and Haruhi does this weird arcing flying kick that rarely hits and does a sliver of damage if it somehow connects, but Ryoko stunlocks the enemy with a knife for an obscenely long time and does respectable damage. Yuki is kind of like a high tier Guilty Gear character in that she has an instant kill move, good speed, and good juggling potential, but weak attack and defence. Overall surprisingly balanced. Make a good Fire Emblem scene out of it if you can find some sprites and I might award you some rep. Guile sprites are a dime a dozen too.

On another subject I'm not entirely clear on what Grieverr wants to happen. Are you saing you want somebody to post a picture of Haruhi standing behind Konata with no life bar to represent her prescence in the battle? I really don't understand what you are getting at.

[winry039]

yea it does look interesting i keep an eye out for it

[Daniel E.]

Does anyone have *any* idea what the deal is at 15:48 with the two guys in the background hurling open the supply closet door as if they were expecting giant goblins inside? Gotta be a reference to something....

Wasn't there a magical locker room door in Digi-Charat Nyo? the one they used to jump from the normal world to the other one were the school of princesses was?

Of course, this is probably not the reference in question, but so far, it's the only similar thing that I can remember. :p

Oh, and nice azumanga avi winry. ;)

[Kyuusai]

Did any one notice a.f.k. translation including Tsukasa saying "daylight savings" during her apology to Miyuki? (Check the 14:15 minute mark)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan do away with daylight saving time many years ago? :p

a.f.k. does some awesome subs, and I think they've clearly done the best job for Lucky Star, but sometimes things like that or the "nab a niche audience" (which almost implies the opposite of what Kona meant) get to me. And that's after I'd almost come to terms with "moe" being translated as "turn-on". :heh: I still haven't figured out what I think of "Curses" and "wait a tick", but I've been debating that one since the Haruhi days. :D

Count me in, as well, on the question of the male students and the closet.

[bayoab]

Did any one notice a.f.k. translation including Tsukasa saying "daylight savings" during her apology to Miyuki? (Check the 14:15 minute mark)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan do away with daylight saving time many years ago? :p
Yes, Japan did away with daylight savings. But the idea is the same. You still have to get used to the sun coming up earlier/later as the seasons shift even if you don't shift time.

[Ffenix Rising]

Alrighty, merchandise time! Before I even heard about the news that Lucky Star was going to become an anime series, I saw this T-shirt and I wanted to buy it: http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP20262 Too bad it was discontinued before I even had the chance.

However, for you Tsukasa and Kagami fans, here's an interesting shirt for you: http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP20265
Tsukasa says, "Onee-chan, 'tsundere'-tte na~ni?" ("Sis, what's a 'tsundere'?")

There's also a T-shirt of Konata in what looks like a kisakae (paper dress-up doll) or probably those plastic models like Gundam. http://www.hlj.com/product/CSP23382

[Vexx]

a.f.k. does some awesome subs, and I think they've clearly done the best job for Lucky Star, but sometimes things like that or the "nab a niche audience" (which almost implies the opposite of what Kona meant) get to me. And that's after I'd almost come to terms with "moe" being translated as "turn-on". :heh: I still haven't figured out what I think of "Curses" and "wait a tick", but I've been debating that one since the Haruhi days. :D

"nab a niche audience" was very awkward (as well as the attempted half sentence follow up "I don't know about nab a niche..."
I ended up telling a fellow viewer they were actually referring to a glasses fetish and perhaps should have gone for "attract certain guys..." or something if they weren't going to be literal in the first place.

The rest seemed more on track though I've not had a chance to really listen carefully (trying to get something else finished I said I'd do for someone).
"wait a tick" actually works pretty well with the flavor and flow of "chotto matte"
"moe" vs "turn-on" ....... O.o maybe "super-cute"? or "cuddly"? .... its hard to describe moe in "five words or less" to fit into the conversational flow.

[Quarkboy]

For a show like this, which I'd call even a "gateway" show, I think that leaving some words like moe untranslated would end up being a good thing to the community.

To be more specific, if it has an (english) wikipedia entry on it, I think it's okay to leave it untranslated, or with a transation note preferably at the end of the show.

This helps to spread new vocabulary into the community. Why is this a good thing? Well, looking at the more "mature" japanese otaku community, they are constantly coming up with new slang words the spread into usage. The more we spread the language of the culture, the better formed the culture ends up being and the closer knit the community becomes.

This is all sort of big-picturey, I realize. If your purpose is simply to make the subs understandable to the largest possible audience, then a.f.k. has the right idea. But in some ways I think like it can do so much moe!

[Duo Maxwell]

a.f.k. helps bringing the fans, I appreciate that, so I won't complain about their way of translating.
I'll stick SF's translation or any other group, though.

[Vexx]

Words get imported into languages when they convey an idea better than the local language (e.g. tsunami replacing the poorly coined "tidal wave").

Given the audience (lets face it, Lucky*Star is going to be seen by an audience already used to "some things Pacific Rim" and "gamespeak", it is almost more work to avoid terms already in common use by the expected audience than to just use them. Even general audiences could cue in on an unknown word if context was provided (the "moe" example of the episode..... by golly, if you don't know what moe is after watching Miyuku describe herself you should probably have your internet connnection confiscated :) ).

Meh... we have this sort of discussion in almost every series that involves "things peculiarly Japanese". There's no totally right answer but nudging the audience to broaden their vocabulary just a bit or be exposed to "alien" things isn't a bad thing. If the audience is *that* uncomfortable, they have other issues :)

Did anyone else notice a video degradation in SF's second release? And does anyone know if any other group is taking this project on?

[grevierr]

I'm pretty sure the only character is Yuki and she has Haruhi, Mikuru and Ryoko as strikers. Mikuru and Haruhi are borderline useless as Mikuru doesn't do anything and Haruhi does this weird arcing flying kick that rarely hits and does a sliver of damage if it somehow connects, but Ryoko stunlocks the enemy with a knife for an obscenely long time and does respectable damage. Yuki is kind of like a high tier Guilty Gear character in that she has an instant kill move, good speed, and good juggling potential, but weak attack and defence. Overall surprisingly balanced. Make a good Fire Emblem scene out of it if you can find some sprites and I might award you some rep. Guile sprites are a dime a dozen too.

When Mikuru, Haruhi and Isuki comes are summoned, if the conditions are right, the Mikuru Beam is triggered, with two kinds of beams for the different contacts. Nagato is able to transform into witch mode which gives you a host of powerful attacks, but her normal form is able to do a ton of damage with the nagato beam attack. BTW, the sprites are found here. Get the ver 2. http://kaihokaitin.hp.infoseek.co.jp/mugen/nagato.htm


On another subject I'm not entirely clear on what Grieverr wants to happen. Are you saing you want somebody to post a picture of Haruhi standing behind Konata with no life bar to represent her prescence in the battle? I really don't understand what you are getting at.

Well, its 3 a.m in the morning and i didn't add in the health bar due to exhaustion so forgive me. What i wanted to say was 'The Ultimate attack combo' or something like that. No need to read anything into it. Just an otaku's rumbling.

[celcius]

I don't think translating everything is going to help in Lucky Star's case. A lot of the jokes are otaku gags and it wouldn't really help newcomers when the punchline itself leaves them scratching their heads. I believe that a certain level of "otakuness" is somewhat required to start enjoying the show; otherwise many of the gags will just fly past the watcher.

Summary: Making LS readable for non-otaku is not gonna help at all.

PS. The amount of posts that are being made are just overwhelming. 5 pages in a few hours? @_@
*needs to catch up.