Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[bkg9990]

yeah! finally a section on lucky star!

[Kinny Riddle]

With a new section, expect the One-Man Crusade (with capital letters) against the evils of moe-ism of Kyo-Ani from a certain self-styled Kyo-Ani critic to intensify.

[Nightengale]

With a new section, expect the One-Man Crusade (with capital letters) from a certain self-styled Kyo-Ani critic to intensify.

In the sense that he'd be appearing in multiple threads rather than one gigantic one?

A section here simply reflects early boost of popularity. Lucky Star will most likely be able to maintain it's presence in the episodes to come, since Lucky Star being a faithful 4-koma adaption will most likely follow the rules of "screw the rules, I have money" in the twisted sense of "screw the plot, we have moe" in a non-negative kind of way, just in case that sounded bad. Kyoto Animation had always been respectively popular here and they also know how to hit the respective fans in the correct places, so it's not too strange, quality of storytelling notwithstanding.

[Zappster]

Back on topic, another anime-board I frequent had pointed out that Kona-chan did not change her shirt through out the entire Golden Week holiday while playing MMO. That's four days without showering. Further, she was still wearing that shirt when she visited Tsukasa's house. Seriously, at least change clothes if you are visiting your friend...:heh: :eyespin: :twitch:



It doesn't necessarily mean that. She could just have had a shower but not bothered changing clothes afterwards. Or perhaps she has loads of those shirts.

[JediNight]

Yay our own sub-forum =D

About Konata and her shirt: While I wouldn't put it past her to not shower, she could do the same thing I do. During winter I'll have like my "slumming sweatshirt" that I wear in front of my computer. So I'm taking it on/off multiple times over a few days.

It's not like a sweatshirt is in direct contact with your body like t-shirts are. And Konata is probably using maybe 1 donut's worth of energy a day, so I doubt sweat is an issue haha... And it being Konata, I don't think she really cares what she wears when visiting her friends, especially for only a study group.

I attend my anime club in pajama pants half the time haha ;P

[Sun-Ku]

Well that is NOTHING if you take Gundam Wing in Consideration. What was ist? Hero with the same clothes for 50 Eps?

[Duo Maxwell]

First, yay for a whole section for Lucky Star
Second, Heero didn't wear same clothes for 50 eps. He changed many kind of clothes depend on where he was.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Well that is NOTHING if you take Gundam Wing in Consideration. What was ist? Hero with the same clothes for 50 Eps?

Yeah, but that's only because his clothes were part of his character design (and also according to legend, his shirt is woven with Gundanium threads and as such was almost as indestructabe as he was.)

Kona-chan actualy do own many different clothes. The fact that she kept wearing the same shirt for four days would have passed unnoticed, except for the fact that everyone else in the same time period updated their clothes daily!:heh:

[Vexx]

Well, the manga shows all of them (even Kona) wearing quite a lot of different clothes... but Kona clearly has at least one set of "sluffing around the house at the computer" set of favorite fuzzy wear.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Well, the manga shows all of them (even Kona) wearing quite a lot of different clothes... but Kona clearly has at least one set of "sluffing around the house at the computer" set of favorite fuzzy wear.

As I mentioned, this would be plausable except she weared it out to visit her friend's house!:heh: After not washing it for four days...:eyespin:

[kenjiharima]

WOW!!! Lucky Star has a page of it's own!!! Whooo~~~!!! Nice one! :heh:

What will happen to older images here posted? Will it be posted in the image section or we can repost them again? ???

[Sheba]

Yeah, but that's only because his clothes were part of his character design (and also according to legend, his shirt is woven with Gundanium threads and as such was almost as indestructabe as he was.)

We can say the same about Ryo Saeba or Kenshiro or any staples from the big classics.
I assume it was a time we did not care so much for our protagonists's fashion sense.

[kenjiharima]

Hey...Kenshiro wears some bad ass dress way back then, even today he's getting cooler, bigger and buffer.

DADADADADDA VS ATATATATATATATAH!!! :heh: Kona-chan~~ FTW!!!

[Kaioshin Sama]

There you go, patience is a virtue people. Just as I thought Kanon also got swapped out too. That's the price to pay, but it also makes sense. When everybody suddenly has the same series avatar you know its time to act. Though I don't know if its popular in the sense that people think its a masterpiece so much in the sense that it has that Kyoto Animation flair for meme's and discussion therof. Kind of like what Nightengale said, you can't fail when you always do exactly what your fans want. It's a good relationship I guess, but like Nightengale also said it has its drawbacks. It works though.

I'd also like to thank Skane for making this so I can put it to good use. No problem with a good self-ribbing. Hopefully he doesn't mind.

Vallen, I'm a lunatic? Is that in the "Crazy" wacky way or the "CRAZY!" psycopath way?

Also in case people are wondering I have 11% of the posts made thus far in this thread or 7 pages worth total and growing exponentially by the episode. What happens if I up and leave? Before people want to go and accuse me of hating on the series and wanting to see it die out of a long dead vendetta against moe, think of how far that went in contributing to the show getting its own board.

I am also glad because now the series has its own image board, where all the goofy pictures and knockoffs of pictures can go. I expect that thread to be larger than the series thread before long and its good that it will remain seperate from the main discussions. So there everybody wins. :)

Now everybody commence the discussion of Gundam Wing. I mean, Hokuto No Ken....er what was this series called again. City Hunter....no that's not it :confused: .

[JediNight]

As I mentioned, this would be plausable except she weared it out to visit her friend's house!:heh: After not washing it for four days...:eyespin:

As Devil's advocate here: How dirty could it possibly get? She's sitting in front of a computer for 4 days. Ask any food-service worker how often they wash their work-polo... (I'll tell you now, the average isn't gonna be anything less than 3 days unless they're a neat freak)

[Sheba]

Hey...Kenshiro wears some bad ass dress way back then, even today he's getting cooler, bigger and buffer.

It is amazing how he get his clothes back, in a dystopic future, everytime he tears them off when he is pissed.

[DragoonKain3]

Lucky Star sigs up for grabs: :D

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4411/asluckystarkagami2vp0.jpg

I'll be taking this one, thank you!

[Mirrinus]

I miss the "☆" in the title for this show now...:P

[mukansa monkey]

Double dumbutt on me.

[CrowKenobi]

Secondly, I'd reeeeally like the original words for the bridge section, where only their legs are visible. In particular, Miyuki's lines about looking for her glasses. Romanization pleez, I can't read Japanese.Speaking of that section, have you noticed that everyone is the same height as Miyuki? :D

:cool:

[mukansa monkey]

I'm a bit amused by all the debate over how many of the references inside L.S. are referring to other KyoAni productions/industry memes/culturalmemes/nothing at all really. One of the reasons I like their work is that they regularly have tidbits that exist on more than one level at once. Like the song lyric "So much mind on the matter/ The spirit gets forgotten about", or the phrase "fuer grissa ost drauka" ... or that bit from the OP, "seihin sanpi", there's a lot of stuff in here with multiple meanings that are distinct and equally valid.
Miyuki is terribly genki and kawaii. At the same time the show mocks her for causing such mo-e reactions in the viewers, even while she's appreciated for the exact same characteristics. Additionally, she has that anti-stereotype characteristic of being the extra-smart girl, a role usually played by bitter sarcastic pipsqueaks like Ruri from Nadesico. I think that's what I like best about shows like this and AzuDai, the parts where the characters go against the stereotypes they initially seem to fall into. Like Osaka's fascination with morbid topics, heheheh.

One last note: People are increasingly misconstruing the meaning of the word moe. It refers to an excessive fascination with something attractive. Line from a Japanese show: "Basically, I'm very moe about ankles." Limitations of translation apply, but the fact is that moe is a feeling generated in the audience. The character themselves might be terribly genkiand kawaii, but, um, moe is a feeling! It's not a subgenre of anime.

[mukansa monkey]

Speaking of that section, have you noticed that everyone is the same height as Miyuki? :D

:cool:

Hmmm.. well her waistline is the only one that isn't visible in that shot,and her knees are higher up. I think the mistake is more that Konata isn't noticeable shorter than the rest of them.

[Telliamed]

(this should be in the music thread, perhaps?)

Have you seen wind's sub? Theirs seems a slight bit more sensible, though idiot me already tossed the file. Only thing I remember is during the talking bit you left out, there's a mention of "Drum Machine" where afk uses a RPG reference. And there's no "steel beater"/"iron wand" or whatever it is that I really don't understand what it could mean.

I disagree about the sexual connotation of the opening. Seems to me it's just a random absurdly genki parody of a cheer.

[mukansa monkey]

Yeah, I just moved my original post to the music forum. One note though, the sexual connotations are just in the first stanza, not the whole opening. A modest rephrasing of the first stanza produces:
Super-short skirt looks really good, doesn't it? Although old-style uniforms are a turn-off. Go for it, give it all you got! Make sure you put it back in after you take it out. Sweat (hoo) sweat (hoo), and shout Darling darling please!

:coughs: That seems pretty obvious to me.

[Kaioshin Sama]

It is amazing how he get his clothes back, in a dystopic future, everytime he tears them off when he is pissed.

God I love that show. It's more like his clothes actually explode off. I had always wondered that too about them being back in the next episode. Best not to think about it actually.

What I have considered is how marketable a Konata's limited edition used shirt item might be as a piece of merchandise. I think there are just enough creeps and fans with bizarre tastes out there that might purchase such a thing. The question would be how would they make it and who would make it.

Those lyrics now amuse me because these are the things they say before doing there little march on Japan. World Domination perhaps through loli seduction.

[mukansa monkey]

I'm hoping that after Clannad, KyoAni decides to do a sci-fi mecha series. They'll call it Mad Nug, it'll have one male lead that is mindlessly exuberant and dedicated to the cause, and one male lead who's a whiny dog of a teenager that hates his father. Most of the plot will revolve around juvenile angst that is inexplicably solved by hopping into the mechs (that these boys have bizarro godlike abilities to pilot), and defeating the invading aliens by using their mech's secret weapons (that require activation by loudly yelling the proper command). They'll be supported by a ship's crew that consists entirely of stock KyoAni lolis.

Then Kaioshi-sama will finally love KyoAni for having made a completely original, non-derivative series.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'm hoping that after Clannad, KyoAni decides to do a sci-fi mecha series. They'll call it Mad Nug, it'll have one male lead that is mindlessly exuberant and dedicated to the cause, and one male lead who's a whiny dog of a teenager that hates his father. Most of the plot will revolve around juvenile angst that is inexplicably solved by hopping into the mechs (that these boys have bizarro godlike abilities to pilot), and defeating the invading aliens by using their mech's secret weapons (that require activation by loudly yelling the proper command). They'll be supported by a ship's crew that consists entirely of stock KyoAni lolis.

Then Kaioshi-sama will finally love KyoAni for having made a completely original, non-derivative series.

You'v obviously never seen Armored Trooper Votoms, Escaflowne or Macross Plus have you. Not all Mecha series are like what you've just described. In fact I wouldn't even watch the series you just theorized because I would take it as an insult to the genre to be so uncreative. That's the typical attitude I see though is that mecha series can never be deep or intricate and always feature teenage angst and overpowered units. Mad Nug is also a terrible name for a series. Good god man come up with something better than that.

What brought this on anyway? I don't even remember saying anything relating to mecha in my last posts.

And good lord where the hell is everybody. They all just done gone and buggered off after the series gets its own board.

[WanderingKnight]

I'm hoping that after Clannad, KyoAni decides to do a sci-fi mecha series.

Hopefully that'll be enough to shut Kaioshin-chan up for a while. (j/k :))

[Vexx]

I'd actually like to see what they could do with a mecha-related series (get that sheen on the metal, the 360 camera move on an activating mech-tank.... light-scattering effects, etc).
It would all depend on the source material they chose, though. ... a remake of Martian Nadesico Successor? (the hybrid of all hybrid shows)

[rooboy]

I'd actually like to see what they could do with a mecha-related series (get that sheen on the metal, the 360 camera move on an activating mech-tank.... light-scattering effects, etc).Uhh, would it look anything like Full Metal Panic?

Though I'm also hoping that they go back to their wildly successful run on Full Metal Panic after Clannad ....

EDIT: PWNED again! My entire life has become replying before Riker can. :D

EDIT 2: Only because I wasted valuable time googling the ANN link for FMP. : (Actually I already had ANN up for a different thread, I just didn't think to link it because I never link anything. I think those speed typing courses are finally showing some use ..... :D Double Kudos for linking to FMP!TSR though instead of FMP itself. :)

EDIT 3: Plus you have to realize that I already have a speed penalty. By the time I've successfully stalked which thread you're replying to, plus figured out which message in that thread you're talking about, I don't have time to do silly things like link to ANN if I want to beat you. ;)

[Riker]

I'd actually like to see what they could do with a mecha-related series (get that sheen on the metal, the 360 camera move on an activating mech-tank.... light-scattering effects, etc).
It would all depend on the source material they chose, though. ... a remake of Martian Nadesico Successor? (the hybrid of all hybrid shows)

I was gonna reply FMP (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4449), then I saw rooboy's post.

Goddammit! Stop stalking me and hitting the reply button 1 nano second before me. :3


EDIT: PWNED again! My entire life has become replying before Riker can. :D
Only because I wasted valuable time googling the ANN link for FMP. : (

EDIT 3: Plus you have to realize that I already have a speed penalty. By the time I've successfully stalked which thread you're replying to, plus figured out which message in that thread you're talking about, I don't have time to do silly things like link to ANN if I want to beat you. ;)

Next time I'll just post a 10 chars place holder post, then I'll slowly add all the relevant info. ;__;


ADD] Wow, beaten to the punch twice; but hey! Not only do I have the ANN link to "FMP!TSR", but I also linked to the trailer, for whoever is interested in watching the series. :p

Natch!

Welcome to the club. : O

[Skane]

I'd actually like to see what they could do with a mecha-related series (get that sheen on the metal, the 360 camera move on an activating mech-tank.... light-scattering effects, etc).
It would all depend on the source material they chose, though. ... a remake of Martian Nadesico Successor? (the hybrid of all hybrid shows)
[Emo-Rant]
*sobs*

Nobody seems to remember "Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4449)"!

It was probably KyoAni's most "mature" anime series ever. The amount of gore, nudity, action, etc... It also has the distinction of being the second series by KyoAni that was licensed for American distribution ("Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu!" was the first).

The mecha fights were nicely done, and there were plenty of non-mecha fight scenes as well, which were extremely fluid. There is a reason why people were "hyperventilating" at the thought of KyoAni animating Mai's fight scenes in Kanon(2006) because they already knew what KyoAni was capable of from "FMP!TSR".

Mao's fight scene, anyone? Chidori's?

It was also not a brainless series, and it really developed Sousuke's character and set the stage for the next arc in the FMP!-universe. It is probably one of the few series where I can safely say it was damn near-perfect in execution, and the BEST one done by KyoAni (yes, I am rating it higher than SHnY) in terms of production values, pacing, etc...

Hell, even the trailer (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fcm9GI_DKec) for "FMP!TSR" was one of the most badass trailers ever done.

[/Emo-Rant]

:p Verily I must despair. :p

ADD] Wow, beaten to the punch twice; but hey! Not only do I have the ANN link to "FMP!TSR", but I also linked to the trailer, for whoever is interested in watching the series. :p

Natch!

[rooboy]

ADD] Wow, beaten to the punch twice; but hey! Not only do I have the ANN link to "FMP!TSR", but I also linked to the trailer, for whoever is interested in watching the series. :pI think you win for the emo rant. I actually think FMP!TSR is Kyo Ani's best series as well. :) I wish I'd thought to post more about it like you did. :)

[Riker]

I wish I'd thought to post more about it like you did. :)

I'd wished that too. So that my post shows up first. :3

[Kaioshin Sama]

Uhh, would it look anything like Full Metal Panic?

Though I'm also hoping that they go back to their wildly successful run on Full Metal Panic after Clannad ....

EDIT: PWNED again! My entire life has become replying before Riker can. :D

EDIT 2: Actually I already had ANN up for a different thread, I just didn't think to link it because I never link anything. I think those speed typing courses are finally showing some use ..... :D Double Kudos for linking to FMP!TSR though instead of FMP itself. :)

They didn't do Full Metal Panic, they only animated it. FMP Film Partners for the last time oversaw it as a joint venture between a number of companies as a cooperative endeavour. Sure a director from Kyoto Animation directed some episodes of Fumoffu and Second Raid, but others were involved in the overall production other than "The Great One" and Gonzo held up the FMP Film Partners banner for the first series for animation. Once again, cooperative endeavour. Does that say Production by Kyoto Animation, no it says Full Metal Panic Film Partners (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4449)

How about Fummofu (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=155) hmmm who are all those other folks. Must be part of the FMP Film Partners. They sure as hell did the Animation though. Christ some of the episodes they didn't even touch other than having somebody pass of the storyboard and say animate this.

They also never had to put a mecha series together from scratch either even if they were involved in helping direct parts of one. Make one from scratch like Sunrise or Bones and then we will talk. Even then odds of Kyoto Animation ever participating in the production of one again seem slim to none at this point.

Even then this still isn't what the topic is about.

[dkellis]

Yeah, for production quality, I'd have to say that FMP:TSR would be KyoAni's best work to date.

Mind you, for sheer personal enjoyment factor, SHnY blows everything out of the water. I didn't really like FMP:TSR, but it's a great series.

[Vexx]

Ah... I see.. .summer of 2005. At that point in my anime hobby, I avoided anything noisy and loud (aka shooting, explosions, people shouting at each other) - because my experience decades before involved that sort of noisy stuff and I just really didn't care for it. I had discovered the concept that anime was about SOMETHING ELSE as well: romance, comedy, drama.
Hence my lack of interest: too busy learning about this new facet of anime. I had heard about FMP (mentioned in reverence) but had no other information about it.

so.... think KyoAni ought to remake FMP? Wasn't that some sort of fan-wishthink last year?

[Simon]

Hmm, another pop culture reference? The L✩S OP is currently in 2nd in Amazon JP's music best-sellers (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/music/), directly behind a single by KAT-TUN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAT-TUN).

Observe the poster (http://www.hikari.org.nz/stuff/otaku/lucky_star/lucky_star_ep2_tsukasa_05.jpg) on Kagami's sister's wall...

[Skane]

~ so.... think KyoAni ought to remake FMP? Wasn't that some sort of fan-wishthink last year?
Not much point. If you have heard the murmurings of the FMP!-fans (amidst the din of those clamouring for SHnY season-2), we would very much prefer them to animated the next segment of the FMP!-novels, "A Dancing Very Merry Christmas".

KyoAni has already done their part by steering the plot back towards the novels.

To explain briefly, Gonzo took a lot of liberties with the first series and altered the plot in various ways. KyoAni then used TSR (with the aid of the original author himself! He helped KyoAni by writing an entirely original arc so as to link the plot from the original FMP! back to the plot of the novels), to steer the story back on track.

KyoAni has a very special working relationship with the author of FMP!, to the point where he helps them script from time to time. It's one of KyoAni's charms. They get the authors involved in their own projects.

Of course, with CLANNAD airing after Lucky Star, it will be some time before we get to see a FMP!-sequel. :heh:

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ah... I see.. .summer of 2005. At that point in my anime hobby, I avoided anything noisy and loud (aka shooting, explosions, people shouting at each other) - because my experience decades before involved that sort of noisy stuff and I just really didn't care for it. I had discovered the concept that anime was about SOMETHING ELSE as well: romance, comedy, drama.
Hence my lack of interest: too busy learning about this new facet of anime. I had heard about FMP (mentioned in reverence) but had no other information about it.

so.... think KyoAni ought to remake FMP? Wasn't that some sort of fan-wishthink last year?

Vexx don't listen to these people, please. They did not create Full Metal Panic in the same vein as most companies create mecha series, it is from a series of light novels authored by a man named Shoji Gatoh. He is the one who deserves the credit for creating this very good series.

Hell the first 24 episode of the whole thing and thus the first half are animated by Gonzo and are still very very good. Fumoffu is comedy taken from interstitial chapters and then it picks up again on the drama with Second Raid. Many companies helped to storyboard and script the episodes as well as direct certain ones. Only half can be traced directly to Kyoto Animation for Fumoffu, four of which are by Shoji Gotoh himself. Some hail from Sunrise, Gonzo, and Master of Enterainment (ummmm...ewww). To much research on that finding out that last one. Anyway point is Kanon, Haruhi, Air have all facets of scripting, storyboarding, direction coming from in house, while FMP Fumoffu and Second Raid have people in important positions from all over the bloody place. Those are the Full Metal Panic! Film Partners taken from the best of the best. Predominantly you will fin the KyoAni folks in the positions relating to animation, but even then not always.

It's a huge stretch bordering on outright ignorance to say they created and/or produced the Full Metal Panic Series, and that it qualifies as a mecha series produced by them alone. So there people the reason I seem to be "conveniantly" leaving FMP out of Kyoto Animation's catalogue of productions is because they didn't make it.

I'll add one final thing. When I boot up my Super Robot Wars W game and its showing the copyrights screen with the names of the companies Banpresto is licensing shows from I see only Full Metal Panic! Film Partners and no mention of Gonzo or Kyoto Animation for Full Metal Panic Series. This surprised me initially until I did the research.

Don't let that stop you from giving it a try though.

[Nightengale]

KyoAni has a very special working relationship with the author of FMP!, to the point where he helps them script from time to time. It's one of KyoAni's charms. They get the authors involved in their own projects.

Well, it depends on the situation. The Guyver TV had the original author's involvement as well changing situations in the manga involving Guyver 2, giving it a better presence and involvement compared to the manga. Apparently the author felt that he offed him too early, just like how Michihara regretted offing one vital character in LoGH a little too early in his novels.

Wasn't it Gotoh himself that wanted the changes IIRC, to add a better dynamic to the villians and also to make some events flow better?

[Skane]

~ Wasn't it Gotoh himself that wanted the changes IIRC, to add a better dynamic to the villians and also to make some events flow better?
Which changes? I know he is responsible for the "Bridge Arc" addition in TSR (because Gonzo totally dropped the ball with regards to the betrayals and stuff from the previous season), but with regards to Gates and the twins' gender, I don't think it was his sole idea (I'm not too sure about this).
Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Which changes? I know he is responsible for the "Bridge Arc" addition in TSR (because Gonzo totally dropped the ball with regards to the betrayals and stuff from the previous season), but with regards to Gates and the twins' gender, I don't think it was his sole idea (I'm not too sure about this).
Cheers.

Why am I posting a spoiler for a completely unrelated series on this forum:
Is this about the traitors within Mithril who helped Gauron. I assume you mean the Tuatha bridge and not a bridge as in something you cross over.

Crap, can't this all be moved to an FMP thread now.

[Nightengale]

I demand a scene in Lucky Star where Konata calls Kagami Ka~GARR~Mi.

It'd be so much win, and considering Konata knows obscure tokusatsus, she'd clearly know Kamen Rider too.

[xris]

Can I ask that people remain on-topic and more importantly stop taking jabs at each other. Instead of replying (which just escalates the problem), please use the Report button http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/report.gif.

And if you think the topic is getting derailed, again, please use the Report button http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/report.gif and let us (the Mods) know about it. Reporting someone doesn't mean they are instantly banned but it gives us a clue if the same person does it repeatedly.

It's one thing to mention another series comparing certain elements between the two series but it's another when the discussion suddenly focussed on a different series all together :eyebrow:

As we all to often say

Be polite to your fellow forum members.
Try to keep the discussion on topic.
Have fun and enjoy yourself but not at the expense of others.

[Michael Hopcroft]

I'd actually like to see what they could do with a mecha-related series (get that sheen on the metal, the 360 camera move on an activating mech-tank.... light-scattering effects, etc).
It would all depend on the source material they chose, though. ... a remake of Martian Nadesico Successor? (the hybrid of all hybrid shows)

Not a remake (there ca only be one Nadesico), but the Mobile Suit Gundam uber-franchise could really use a good satiric waxing, and these would be the guys with the technical expertise to do it.

It would be a lovely joke t have the hero pull of the omnipresent masked guy's mask to real -- another mask. Or to have said masked guy open his dresser drawer t show that he's devoted two entire sections to masks and choosing one is the most difficult part of deciding his daily look.

Of course, this would require a mangaka and his team or a light novelist to actually come up with such a series for them to do. And to pull off what Nadesico managed -- a parody anime that is exciting and compelling, as well as hilarious, on its own terms -- is a considerable challenge.

[Vexx]

Well.. to do as XRIS asks and steer back on-topic....

I just ordered volume 4 of L*S (manga) ... anxious to see what lays ahead.

Probably we should ask for a thread devoted completely to Konata's obscure gaming, anime, and manga references since a lot of them are from before her (or most of the audience) were born :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well.. to do as XRIS asks and steer back on-topic....

I just ordered volume 4 of L*S (manga) ... anxious to see what lays ahead.

Probably we should ask for a thread devoted completely to Konata's obscure gaming, anime, and manga references since a lot of them are from before her (or most of the audience) were born :)

I'd second that. I'd probably be able to help too.

[JediNight]

I've been wondering for awhile now: What kind of name is Konata anyways? I've never heard of that name for a girl before (or guy I suppose). Is it a real name, or one of those fake symbolism names you see in anime sometimes?

[WanderingKnight]

I've been wondering for awhile now: What kind of name is Konata anyways? I've never heard of that name for a girl before (or guy I suppose). Is it a real name, or one of those fake symbolism names you see in anime sometimes?

Given names in Japanese are practically infinite. This isn't very much so in the issue of surnames, but when it comes to given names, Japanese offers an incredible amount of freedom. You might as well mix up some kanji and poof, you've got an unique and perfectly valid name in your hands. Of course, there are tendencies, but that doesn't mean people need to attend to them when naming their child.

[chaos4ever]

Actually, there are guidelines and registries of what can be used as names in Japan. While there may technically be large numbers of valid names, I believe there are about 5000 recognized, perhaps in kanji form? My numbers may be off, though.

[MakubeX2]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/861/1177169202711bo8.jpg

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kkobayashi/20070415/

Proves that Luck Star is made of Win and it 2X more watched than the next in line, Hayate.

[DragoonKain3]

Is it too much OT if I ask what are the top 10 in that graph? LS is #1, Hayate no Gotoku #2, StrikerS is #4, and Darker than Black is #9, but I'd like to know what other shows are being watched that's trumped by lucky star.

What's surprising though is that StrikerS is at #4, which I'm dumbfounded on because of the seeming popularity of the Nanoha characters in the Saimoe tourney. I certainly thought it would be the most popular series this season.

[FatPianoBoy]

Is it too much OT if I ask what are the top 10 in that graph? LS is #1, Hayate no Gotoku #2, StrikerS is #4, and Darker than Black is #9, but I'd like to know what other shows are being watched that's trumped by lucky star.

List of anime from right to left:

Lucky Star
Hayate no Gotoku
Gurenragan (no idea what this is supposed to be, so I just romaaji'd it)
Idol Master
(first and last kanji illegible)
Nagasarete - something
Polyphonic
Darker than Black
Gigantic
Claymore
Heroic Age
Kisudamu (Kissdom?)
El Cazador
Kono Aozora ni Yakusoku wo
To(ward the) Terra
Kamichama Karin
Gegege no Kitarou
sola
Overdrive
(Can't read it)
Blue Dragon
Shining
Romance of the Three Kingdoms(?)
Hitohira
Romeo x Juliet
(Something) no Mamoribito
Big Edo Rocket
Love*Con
Maimero Sukkiri
Saint Beast(?)
(Can't read these two)
Sisters of Wellber
Kaze no Shoujo Emily
(Something)-cloud Story
Keitai Shoujo
Taatorozu(?)
Robbie and Keropi
Sugarpanese(?)

Need a bigger picture (or something better than a ten-year-old CRT) to decipher some of those kanji.

[Risaa]

Here're the ones you couldn't get/had a question mark next to:

3. Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann
6. Seto no Hanayome
7. Nagasarete Airantou
13. KISS DUM
21. Touka Gettan
24. Koutetsu Sangokushi
27. Seirei no Moribito
31. Saint Beast
32. Bakugan Battle Brawlers
33. Koutetsu Shinjiigu
36. Saiunkoku Monogatari
38. Mutant Turtles (TMNT) ok.. this one made me *SNORK* :heh:
40. Sugar Bunnies

[crall]

List of anime from right to left:

Idol Master - Idol Master Xenoglossia - maybe a bit unnecessary, but I wanted to add it any way:p
Polyphonic -Shinkyoku Soukai Polyphonica
Gigantic -Kishin Taisen Gigantic Formula


Even though Risaa has complemented the list, I've decided to clarify some of the top ten titles.
Need a bigger picture (or something better than a ten-year-old CRT) to decipher some of those kanji.
If you had checked the link provided by MakubeX2, it would have been a lot easier for you to decipher the kanji.;)

[FatPianoBoy]

Link? What link? I don't see no stinkin'...


http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kkobayashi/20070415/




...... &^%$.

[BPHaru]

Lucky Star + RockMan = WIN

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-Haru

[Blue Reverie]

Wow. Now that I consider creative (as opposed to superimposing another series intro or whatever over the music).

[WanderingKnight]

Lucky Star + RockMan = WIN

OMFG, that surely beats the Hare Hare Yukai Gundam parody to blowing smithereens!

[Nemo_N]

Awesome!

At first I thought "damn it, how's that even possible!", but well, that just proves I'm getting older; kids nowadays have more to toys to play with.

Could it be that the guy has some sort of rockman "templates" ready to use?

[DragoonKain3]

OMG, you are right BPHaru! That's just pure win!

In terms of originality, that was as original as the Gundam plamo was when it was first aired over the net. If Clannad get's their own dance maneuvers, you can bet both Gundam and Rockman is going to parady it for sure, though I hope something as creative comes around then. XD

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Awesome!

At first I thought "damn it, how's that even possible!", but well, that just proves I'm getting older; kids nowadays have more to toys to play with.

Could it be that the guy has some sort of rockman "templates" ready to use?

The same guy's got HareHareYukai version of that too. He is good.:heh:

[DragoonKain3]

^linky plz. pretty plz???

[BPHaru]

Another try:

-Fy2ojtWD1w

-Haru

[WanderingKnight]

Another try:

Umm, the point of the scene at -0:12 was...?

But it's good to see people trying so hard. I'm gonna suggest now a thread dedicated to OP parodies.

[aorta]

But it's good to see people trying so hard. I'm gonna suggest now a thread dedicated to OP parodies.

There is a crazy amount on youtube. It's almost like no matter what picture comes up on the screen I expect to here that song now.

PrxkV6CUsGY

Another one.

[Skane]

I got some questions about the graph. What was it measuring exactly? I don't think it was an overview of all anime, because shows like "Bleach", "Naruto" and "One Piece" would simply blow "Lucky Star" out of the water.

Is it only factoring Spring2007 anime?

Cheers.

[dahl_moon]

Wow. That Rockman was a wonderful find. Here, have a cookie:)

[Ascaloth]

I will not be happy until our dear Li Jianliang-chan finally comes up with something of her own. Enough parodies, let's bring on the cute girls, please! :p :D

[Shana]

Umm, the point of the scene at -0:12 was...?

Exactly :heh: . But in general, it's good.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I got some questions about the graph. What was it measuring exactly? I don't think it was an overview of all anime, because shows like "Bleach", "Naruto" and "One Piece" would simply blow "Lucky Star" out of the water.

Is it only factoring Spring2007 anime?

Cheers.

We should also consider outlying factors such as what day and time it is aired and whether it has to compete much with other shows. Some of the other shows could be airing at the same time and thus that splits the viewership. I've never taken TV ratings as an outright accurate measure of series popularity. Also Lucky Star is airing on like 13 different stations, or something so its very likely that its going to get picked up more on the scanner than other shows. Just some thoughts to consider.

[Telliamed]

This series will be a failure if they can't get someone to do the Kasukabe scenes on-location.

[Ascaloth]

We should also consider outlying factors such as what day and time it is aired and whether it has to compete much with other shows. Some of the other shows could be airing at the same time and thus that splits the viewership. I've never taken TV ratings as an outright accurate measure of series popularity. Also Lucky Star is airing on like 13 different stations, or something so its very likely that its going to get picked up more on the scanner than other shows. Just some thoughts to consider.

Hmm, then I wonder. Would a comparison list of BT DLs (RAW and subbed) be more accurate, in your opinion?

[MakubeX2]

We should also consider outlying factors such as what day and time it is aired and whether it has to compete much with other shows. Some of the other shows could be airing at the same time and thus that splits the viewership. I've never taken TV ratings as an outright accurate measure of series popularity. Also Lucky Star is airing on like 13 different stations, or something so its very likely that its going to get picked up more on the scanner than other shows. Just some thoughts to consider.

It's not a TV Rating. It's based on how many hits the phrase "Lucky Star" generated after a search at all the anime related blogs in hatena.

(それはともかく、調査方法としては各アニメに対して開始日から1週間の期間中、「キーワードを含む日記」 でどのくらい言及されているかを集計しています。)

This includes all blogs notes and discussions. And based on the charts, people are mostly discussing more about Lucky Stars than any other animes that begins airing in spring.

[Skane]

It's not a TV Rating. It's based on how many hits the phrase "Lucky Star" generated after a search at all the anime related blogs in hatena.

(それはともかく、調査方法としては各アニメに対して開始日から1週間の期間中、「キーワードを含む日記」 でどのくらい言及されているかを集計しています。)

This includes all blogs notes and discussions. And based on the charts, people are mostly discussing more about Lucky Stars than any other animes that begins airing in spring.
Ah, well that's more logical then, due to the fan-generated hype prior to its airing.

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

These Youtube things are just wreaking havoc with my browsers ability to post. I normally use Opera and now I'm using IE until I can figure out a fix.

Anyway I wanted to say the thing as Skane about the hype and the blogs factoring in the "Ugh, It Sucks", "Wow its Great" and "Meh" posts. I was thinking there was no way that Lucky Star despite everything could be getting twice the amount of viewership than any other show. Plus now that I think of it, viewership is usually done in percentages, not by the number of people actually watching in real numbers.

[Vexx]

Hmmmm, it may be that if people put Youtube refs inside spoiler tags ... i seem to remember Opera adds performance by not downloading hidden crap.
Maybe a request from the mods that people spoiler tag Youtube inserts?

[Skane]

The [youtube] tag is basically an Embed Object item. No browser should be having problems with it, unless their Flash-codecs are not up-to-date. I'm using FireFox, for the record. Opera shouldn't have any problems with it.

Cheers.

[Riker]

Actually, the embeded YouTube screws up my Opera too. A few weeks ago, the video just refused to play. When I click on the vid it leads to a YouTube page saying the url is malformed. I was ok with it then, since if I really wanted to see the vid, I'll just quote the post, see the id for the vid then manually paste it in another tab.

However, recently I've discovered that the embeded YouTube vids seem to severly make my Opera unresponsive. When a page with an embeded YouTube vid loads, nothing else will respond, not even the current page with the vid. The pages on the other tabs all stop loading. Even trying to close a tab takes maybe a few minutes. In fact, I am unable to post a reply on this page using Opera, I have to use Firefox.

I'm not sure if other Opera users are experiencing this, but I'm not using the latest version (I'm using version 8.5). Maybe that's why.


p.s. I've finally manage to watch the vid on YouTube (after much cussing and restarting of Opera). It's good. I guess it was worth all the trouble.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Actually, the embeded YouTube screws up my Opera too. A few weeks ago, the video just refused to play. When I click on the vid it leads to a YouTube page saying the url is malformed. I was ok with it then, since if I really wanted to see the vid, I'll just quote the post, see the id for the vid then manually paste it in another tab.

However, recently I've discovered that the embeded YouTube vids seem to serverly make my Opera unresponsive. When a page with an embeded YouTube vid loads, nothing else will respond, not even the current page with the vid. The pages on the other tabs all stop loading. Even trying to close a tab takes maybe a few minutes. In fact, I am unable to post a reply on this page using Opera, I have to use Firefox.

I'm not sure if other Opera users are experiencing this, but I'm not using the latest version (I'm using version 8.5). Maybe that's why.

That's it. I'd been using 8.5 for the reason it doesn't require you to click on a flash program to activate functionality (which when viewing Homestar Runner is very annoying). Since its suddenly stopped allowing embedded video I decided to install a newer version. It works, but there are going to be drawbacks regarding Active X Controls. You'd best upgrade too I suppose. It should integrate with your old settings and bookmarks.

Just to Aorta.....what in gods name is up with that Zatoichi like video you posted. Are people even trying to make it fit or just making as many playovers as possible in a sorry attempt to create some sort of meme. That's even worse than the Hokuto No Ken/Hare Hare Yukai video I saw in terms of fitting in logically. The whole idea of creating a meme is to tie two indepent enteties together through a common thread of logic.

So with the Rockman one the characters do almost kind of dance and fidget in the old games when doing their movements, so that works. I like it even if I have seen somebody do the same with Hare Hare Yukai. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that I prefer the 8-bit rendition of the song to the actual lyrical version. This is also coming from a guy who routinely plays old video game music through his Meridian Advance. In fact just before watching that video I was listening to Sagat's theme from Super Street Fighter 2.

[xris]

There is now a Lucky Star Music Videos (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46293) thread, so please post your parodies (and other AMVs) for Lucky Star there.

[Meophist]

I'm using Opera and am having no problems with the flash content. Perhaps upgrading to the latest release is a good idea, as one of the releases did fix some flash problems.

In any case, hee~, can't wait until the next episode.

[Riker]

I'll remove that link if I were you, can't ask or provide links for raws in this forum. :x

[Lucky_Day]

Thus far I have only seen episode 1 and parts of episode 2. I like the opening theme song and the Lucky Channel segment at the end. Admittedly the part in between those segments was a little slow for my tastes but many of the anime I ended up liking were slow getting started.

[aorta]

Just to Aorta.....what in gods name is up with that Zatoichi like video you posted. Are people even trying to make it fit or just making as many playovers as possible in a sorry attempt to create some sort of meme. That's even worse than the Hokuto No Ken/Hare Hare Yukai video I saw in terms of fitting in logically. The whole idea of creating a meme is to tie two indepent enteties together through a common thread of logic.



Well this one does kind of fit or at least they made an effort to edit it to the music. Compared to some of the other ones where they just play the song over some other opening, I thought it was ok.

Or maybe it's just crazy :eyespin:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well this one does kind of fit or at least they made an effort to edit it to the music. Compared to some of the other ones where they just play the song over some other opening, I thought it was ok.

Or maybe it's just crazy :eyespin:

Hmm if they did it wasn't very succesful. You should watch the Michael Jackson one. That one is good.

[aorta]

Hmm if they did it wasn't very succesful. You should watch the Michael Jackson one. That one is good.

That one is a lot better. I also saw a video that inserts Lucky Channel during a scene in a space anime when the crew gets an incoming message.

[aorta]

hahaha

Found the reference
It's from the old anime 怪物くん (remake ver). YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjlmLGpBo8&mode=related&search=)

a better version (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBttYqV-vZs) that doesn't have the beginning cut off.

[0utf0xZer0]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9586/normaldistributionoe8.jpg

While I'd be curious to know whether that translation is correct, it did crack me up, especially since I just finished taking a stats course.

(For those that don't get it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution)

[mukansa monkey]

You'v obviously never seen Armored Trooper Votoms, Escaflowne or Macross Plus have you. Not all Mecha series are like what you've just described. In fact I wouldn't even watch the series you just theorized because I would take it as an insult to the genre to be so uncreative. That's the typical attitude I see though is that mecha series can never be deep or intricate and always feature teenage angst and overpowered units. Mad Nug is also a terrible name for a series. Good god man come up with something better than that.

What brought this on anyway? I don't even remember saying anything relating to mecha in my last posts.
Macross Plus is great, but it's almost too military to be pure mecha. Escaflowne has all manner of teen angst, just happens to be a female. And while most people wouldn't call them mecha, shows like BGCrisis and Ghost in the Shell: SAC do involve people getting inside powered suits and using high-tech weapons. The trouble is that for a lot of people "mecha" as a genre is what I described, which is why they don't give it the credit you feel it deserves. I would submit that the popularity of KyoAni derives in no small part from their ability to rise above the conventions of the genres they have worked in. Or in the case of Lucky Star, to actively undermine them. Thus I think it's unfair of you to pigeonhole KyoAni as being some sort of one-trick pony that is mired in generic moe-generating loli comedy. They've done an unusually good job with the material they've brought to the screen, and even if they didn't do all of it (FMP etc), we can still point to the parts they are responsible for and be impressed.

Madnug is Gundam backwards. A totally unoriginal name without actually violating another studio's copyright. My point being that "original material" can still be generic crap, so why give a studio much credit simply for hiring an author to write them a new anime instead of picking an existing manga they want to work with? I think it's important to separate the work of artists (Lucky Star) from the derivative works of amateurs that may or may not suck (all these youtube videos) and their attitudes of slavish devotion to said artists.

So who here thinks that KyoAni has a lot of fans that take the studio's works more seriously than the studio themselves does? And, um... about how much longer do I have to wait for ep.3 to come out?

[mukansa monkey]

While I'd be curious to know whether that translation is correct, it did crack me up, especially since I just finished taking a stats course.

(For those that don't get it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution)

Yes! Yes! I too eat cake with a normal distribution!! ALL HAIL MIKUYI-SAMA!!!!

:: falls out of his chair twitching ::
I feel... so moe... mediccc....

[~Tsukuyomi]

a better version (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBttYqV-vZs) that doesn't have the beginning cut off.

Holy crud, the OP was also an old anime reference!? Sheesh, what other items did I not know???

[Solace]

Lucky Star + RockMan = WIN

That was one of the most creative things I've seen in a long time. It also made me miss my NES. :(

[Risaa]

Holy crud, the OP was also an old anime reference!? Sheesh, what other items did I not know???

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Kaibutsu-kun aired in 1968 and 1969, quite a few years before I was even born. No way I would've ever gotten that reference on my own; it's not like I have the luxury of having the influence of an anime-loving gamer-dad like some people. :p

Thanks for posting the vid, aorta.

[Kaioshin Sama]

So who here thinks that KyoAni has a lot of fans that take the studio's works more seriously than the studio themselves does?

Me. I've never really hated the company as some think, I just like to pick on them for having more fanboys than the next company. Kind of in an immature "You've Got a girlfriend nanananana" way.

I also couldn't fault them for pushing moe-loli comedy since everybody kind of is doing that right now. It's just with others its "Oh my god awesome Kawaii Loli's!" and with Kyoto Animation it's "OH MY GOD AWESOME FRIGGING KYOANI MOE LOLI BRAGGHHHH......HARUHI"! And you know what I don't even really care, it's just my pastime to poke fun at them for having a figurative yes man in the fan groups following them around everywhere saying "Please Sir I want Some More", and "Oh you are numbah one win always forever" (mostly 2-channers). And really, most of these people that are that rabid are just people that post on Youtube all the time and can't think for themselves and will latch onto whatever is popular, the rest are just there to watch and enjoy (though, unfortunately the latter group aren't the movers and shakers that make things happen regarding what Kyoto Animation decides to do. Is Kyoto Animation going to try and please the group that just sits back and enjoys, or the group thats either going to buy the whole merchandise collection if things work out for them, or mail-bomb them into oblivion if they don't do exactly as the hardcore fans want).

I also like to make light of that situation I just put in brackets, because now Kyoto Animation has ended up in a position where its going to be difficult for them to deviate to much from what their fans want. Lucky Star is about as close as they'll get in deviation, and its already proving to be a tightrope walk for them.

And Haruhi is starting to look more and more like a one-shot fluke of perfect timing to me as well as being a fun summer show (It really didn't have any strong competetion or even average competetion like Lucky Star has this season, I mean seriously it could easily trample everything else airing during that season to dust and nobody would care or deny its supremacy as the only good show airing at the time). Their shows will still be popular, because they know what they are doing, but in a good way rather than a "You said what about Haruhi? I kill you".

So on the dislike scale of Kyoto Animation it's an appearance of 8/10, but really and truthfully its something more like negative 2/10. I really don't care for some of the crazier fans though who I swear would want to lynch me if I ever met them in person.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I really don't care for some of the crazier fans though who I swear would want to lynch me if I ever met them in person.

If you want to fight a war, don't be surprised if you get shot at, Kaioshin-onesama. Don't expect us to be rational when you are not.

[0utf0xZer0]

Yes! Yes! I too eat cake with a normal distribution!! ALL HAIL MIKUYI-SAMA!!!!

:: falls out of his chair twitching ::
I feel... so moe... mediccc....

So, uh, how exactly does one eat cake with a normal distribution? Because speculating about that has been making my brain hurt...

[Kaioshin Sama]

If you want to fight a war, don't be surprised if you get shot at, Kaioshin-onesama. Don't expect us to be rational when you are not.

Are you going to lynch me? :confused:. No probably not. I don't think you even qualify as the type of person I'm talking about for the fact that you always have your thinking cap on.

[Vexx]

I don't think a "war" was being suggested. I *expect* rational behavior and I expect people to behave civilly. :) ... and I believe so do the mods, eh?

Back to topic, despite the fact I dearly love a lot of what KyoAni has put out, there are 'fans' that take their shows far more seriously than is healthy. Lucky*Star is a nice little show that does the kind of humor I like in a format I like --- it did its job in that the pre-season noise led me to purchase the manga (which I do not regret).

[Nemo_N]

...there are 'fans' that take their shows far more seriously than is healthy...

This is sadly true; some people expect every anime to be deep, meaningful, morally ambiguous, etc., depriving themselves from other shows that can be very enjoyable (i.e. Lucky Star).

I read somewhere that japanese anime-watchers take it less seriously, which would explain the avalanche of harem, fanservicey shows that we get every season.

I do like to watch stuff with more substance every now and then, but I think that watching shows with the "ruler of deep, meaningful anime" out, ready to measure the show, is bad for the soul :p .

[Kaioshin Sama]

This is sadly true; some people expect every anime to be deep, meaningful, morally ambiguous, etc., depriving themselves from other shows that can be very enjoyable (i.e. Lucky Star).

I read somewhere that japanese anime-watchers take it less seriously, which would explain the avalanche of harem, fanservicey shows that we get every season.

I do like to watch stuff with more substance every now and then, but I think that watching shows with the "ruler of deep, meaningful anime" out, ready to measure the show, is bad for the soul :p .

There's actually just a tiny bit more to it than that. There are two types of Hardcore fan branches I've found that exist in the vast fanbase of loli-moe anime. There are those that would feel they must love Lucky Star as if it were the gospel coming from a company they deem to be some sort of church of loli-moe handing out the occasional sermon, and there are those who feel that because it can't live up to whatever inflated sense of expectations they have conjured up regarding the trend that it is unworthy (or they can't tell the difference between parody and promotion).

And yes some people really do think that loli-moe is the absolute pinnacle of storytelling (See some of the Key fans for example who live, eat and breath the games storylines instead of just watching them, taking them in for what they are, the drama and the comedy, and moving on to the next series. Sure Key has better loli-moe romance stories than most H-Game companies, but come on it's no Shakespeare. I also single out Key in this case because I know of no other company with fans that worship the characters in their eroge to that degree. Maybe Leaf/Aquaplus or the company that did Higurashi qualifies as well.) rather than light entertainment with a splash of comedy and drama in places. I think people also shouldn't cross-reference genres too much either. If there is a genre or company that I would deem unyieldingly flawless in every aspect of what it puts out, or one that is absolute garbage without any merit, I have yet to see it. That's why I think that exclusive worship or exclusive hatred of any genre or company is unfair (And as much as I gripe about SEGA actually, they did have a phenomenal run of games in the 90's).

For this I am hoping Konata will get to poke fun at hardcore eroge fans who worship the characters and storylines. I haven't seen her father, but I can almost imagine Kyoto Animation will work him in with an Ayu T-Shirt preeching about something to do with his latest character route moving him to tears and Konata just rolling her eyes at him. If they could get in Gundam without having to censor the crap out of everything I wouldn't mind seeing what she thinks of guy's like me who are into shiny robots and war-drama (I'd like to think my like of Mecha is wholesome though and I'm not outside with a glazed look in my eyes trying to build the Zeta Gundam out of scrap metal in my backyard in like five years).

Okay that wasn't actually a tiny bit, most of it ended up being the usual rambling that comes when I think to hard about something. Maybe I'm overly devoted to thinking and need parodying. Alright I'll stop. :D

[Sheba]

And yes some people really do think that loli-moe is the absolute pinnacle of storytelling



Your paranoia is at work again and it is unhealthy.

P.S: I like my moé, but if I really want breathtaking storytelling or characterization I'll always go for the BIG WALL OF TEXT found in classics like Foucault's Pendulum, Dune or Earthsea. And as for war genre, there are wonderful things like Das Boot or Platoon.

PPS: Now if I want to be fair with the japanese media, my favorite storytelling go to Miura's "Berserk", Clamp's "RG Veda", Kishiro's "Gunnm" and "Gunnm": Last Order, Otomo's "Akira", Araki's "JoJo Bizarre Adventure", Endo's "Eden". And my attention is caught by Shindo's "Red Eyes", it have the potential to win or fail epic and it is good so far, it deals with war, do it as gritty as possible and mechs are as "realistic" as I can assume them doable, ressource-wise, for they are powered armorsuits (when they are taller than a 10 meters building, does feats that would be almost impossible for an human pilot even assisted with the most powered operating system as we can imagine, I have goosebumps. So I am biased in favor of powersuits and cyborgs).

[Ascaloth]

@Kaioshin-chan (since people were complaining about me quoting our moe little tsundere the last time...)

Well, okay. So, first I'll state that I'm not intending to pick on you when I'm putting forth my next statements.

Now that we have that clear.....well, okay. So you're poking fun at the rabid KyoAni fanboys.

Now, the question; why are you poking fun at the rabid KyoAni fanboys here? They generally don't lurk here, so your firing potshots at them in this forum kinda misses the point. :heh:

We here at Animesuki are just rational anime fans who just want to enjoy our anime in peace, that's all. :innocent:

You really should take your little war to 2chan, where it belongs. ;)

Your paranoia is at work again and it is unhealthy.


Quoted for truth.

[Kaioshin Sama]

@Kaioshin-chan (since people were complaining about me quoting our moe little tsundere the last time...)

Well, okay. So, first I'll state that I'm not intending to pick on you when I'm putting forth my next statements.

Now that we have that clear.....well, okay. So you're poking fun at the rabid KyoAni fanboys.

Now, the question; why are you poking fun at the rabid KyoAni fanboys here? They generally don't lurk here, so your firing potshots at them in this forum kinda misses the point. :heh:

We here at Animesuki are just rational anime fans who just want to enjoy our anime in peace, that's all. :innocent:

You really should take your little war to 2chan, where it belongs. ;)



Quoted for truth.

I'm pretty active elsewhere actually. Or rather I was until I stopped bothering to care when things worked out regarding more variety in anime this season. It just keeps building each week so I'm just kind of poking around. I don't even think I dislike loli-moe stuff anymore. I've developed a tolerance that borders on a very mild liking of some of it. Or at least it amuses me more now, rather than upsets me. It's just there now rather than all that's there. I can easily live with that and accept loli-moe as it comes. So what else is it you want from me now?

[Ascaloth]

Let's see, was there anything else...?

*thinks*

Nah. Not for the moment....I think. :p

[Lucky_Day]

When I showed my sister in law the Lucky Channel segment from episode 1 of Lucky Star, she asked me about Akira Kogami's sleeves. They are several sizes too long for her. I told her it was a Japanese joke. After giving it some thought I came up with my own Akira Kogami Sleeve Theory. I think it is symbolic of the girl pop star being placed in a role usually taken by someone considerably older than her. On the other hand, it could be just because it is considered kawaii.

[MakubeX2]

When I showed my sister in law the Lucky Channel segment from episode 1 of Lucky Star, she asked me about Akira Kogami's sleeves. They are several sizes too long for her. I told her it was a Japanese joke. After giving it some thought I came up with my own Akira Kogami Sleeve Theory. I think it is symbolic of the girl pop star being placed in a role usually taken by someone considerably older than her. On the other hand, it could be just because it is considered kawaii.

Actually, Traditional Chinese Opera features characters in very long sleeves too. Which I, being a chinese, am ashame to say have no idea regarding the logic behind this.

[aorta]

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Kaibutsu-kun aired in 1968 and 1969, quite a few years before I was even born. No way I would've ever gotten that reference on my own; it's not like I have the luxury of having the influence of an anime-loving gamer-dad like some people. :p

Thanks for posting the vid, aorta.

Well I have to give credit to Level E for posting the original video, I just found a better copy of it.

Anyway that is from the 80's remake version (1980-1982), I don't know if the older version had the same talking at the intro because the openings for it on youtube all just begin with the song.

[CrowKenobi]

Once again, Anime News Network has posted their reviews of most of the new spring anime (Lucky Star included)....

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2007-04-22


:cool:

[Risaa]

Well I have to give credit to Level E for posting the original video, I just found a better copy of it.

Anyway that is from the 80's remake version (1980-1982), I don't know if the older version had the same talking at the intro because the openings for it on youtube all just begin with the song.

Aah, I was wondering if it was the remake. I'd tell you why I assumed it was the first season, but I'm afraid it'd make some folks here feel very old. :heh: In either case, the anime is still older than me. XD

[FatPianoBoy]

The epic six and a half minute dialogue on the finer points of eating was obviously intended to be humorous, but instead resembles an interminable anime comedy sketch directed by the chatty half of Quentin Tarantino if he were lobotomized with a sticky-sweet lollipop.

Imagining Tarantino directing an episode of Lucky Star has had me giggling since I read that.


Konata: Say, Miyuki - do think everything happens for a reason?
(Car hits a bump)
*Bang*
All: D :


...... Sorry :heh:

[Skane]

Imagining Tarantino directing an episode of Lucky Star has had me giggling since I read that.

Konata: Say, Miyuki - do think everything happens for a reason?
(Car hits a bump)
*Bang*
All: D :

...... Sorry :heh:
Oh man! I LOVED that scene! Especially when they had to clean up. :heh:

Anyway, I would take ANN's "reviews" with a pinch of salt, and they admitted as much in their disclaimers (at the beginning of their "reviews"). After all, it is just one person's opinion of Lucky Star, and not a collective judgement.

Still, I would love to see a homage to Quentin Tarantino in an episode of Lucky Star. :D

Cheers.

[Vexx]

Exactly.... it isn't really an ANN review... he's just this guy, you know? If you'll note, they gave pretty much all the 'romance/moe' related shows to him and he pretty much slams them all. I'm sure it drives up the hit rate on the site. Its rare I come across an ANN review that likes the sort of thing I like, so I long ago figured they lived on the other side of the anime spectrum and, if anything, they're kind of over-reaching by calling themselves the "anime news network" rather than the "some parts of the shounen news" spectrum or something similar.

Kind of like watching the Random Curiosity polls where it becomes rapidly clear that most of the polling group has specific tastes that are more narrowly defined than 'general anime'.

[Telliamed]

Yay! It's button-pushing time!
Sure Key has better loli-moe romance stories than most H-Game companies, but come on it's no Shakespeare.

Actually they kinda are. Well, maybe not Key, they'd be more like the pamphlet printers churning out lurid serials on cheap pulp. But I'd compare KyoAni to Shakespeare.

Not because I think they're that so great and people will still be talking about SHnY 400 years from now... But for a simple reason that many people fail to recognize --- something I believe is a significant contributor to the academic cultural gap in English-speaking countries --- Shakespeare was a pop artist.

Shakespeare used excessive violence, fanservice (including suggestions of yuri/yaoi), "l33t" speak (of a sorts), supernatural plots, and like KyoAni most of his stories are adaptations.

Most importantly, they're both in the business of providing quality entertainment to ordinary people at a reasonable price.

So people who regard Shakespeare as the pinnacle of English theatrical art, while disregarding modern forms of entertainment, and specifically criticizing the internet and television... They're just pompous morons.

If Lucky☆Star were a Shakespeare play?.... maybe Midsummer's Night Dream -- It's short with elements of self-parody. But L*S doesn't really have any pathos. Or with the ensemble cast, it's a bit like Much Ado About Nothing -- Konata would be Benedick, who's Kagami? Don John?

Still, I would love to see a homage to Quentin Tarantino in an episode of Lucky Star. :D


... Or vice-versa

[Kaioshin Sama]

Exactly.... it isn't really an ANN review... he's just this guy, you know? If you'll note, they gave pretty much all the 'romance/moe' related shows to him and he pretty much slams them all. I'm sure it drives up the hit rate on the site. Its rare I come across an ANN review that likes the sort of thing I like, so I long ago figured they lived on the other side of the anime spectrum and, if anything, they're kind of over-reaching by calling themselves the "anime news network" rather than the "some parts of the shounen news" spectrum or something similar.

Kind of like watching the Random Curiosity polls where it becomes rapidly clear that most of the polling group has specific tastes that are more narrowly defined than 'general anime'.

And yet if you look at their Top 10 system of anime rankings though, it's all the newest most popular and hip shows. This is mostly because of the screwball weighting system they have when taking in votes. Basically none of them work properly in filtering out noise, it either favours whatever is new, whatever has the most votes, or and I kid you not, whoever has the history of voting when the votes are tallyed each day.

If you go to a blog you get bias, if you go to ANN you get bias, if you go to the fans you get bias, thus the only way theoretically possible to gauge something is to watch it yourself.

[Mirrinus]

If Lucky☆Star were a Shakespeare play?.... maybe Midsummer's Night Dream -- It's short with elements of self-parody. But L*S doesn't really have any pathos. Or with the ensemble cast, it's a bit like Much Ado About Nothing -- Konata would be Benedick, who's Kagami? Don John?



... Or vice-versa

Much Ado about Nothing is my absolute favorite Shakespeare play, but I can't really see Lucky☆Star as being that similar to it. Konata's no Benedick, IMHO.

You know, I was just considering what an anime adaptation of Much Ado would be like...Beatrice is the 16th century tsundere, and I can easily see Benedick being played by Tomokazu Sugita for his sarcasm and witty jabs. Hero will probably be a moe blob for anti-moe bloggers to attack, and Claudio will probably end up in some BL doujin. Ok, now I'm scaring myself.

So yeah, if any KyoAni production is like Much Ado, it's probably SHnY. Haruhi = Beatrice, Kyon = Benedick, Mikuru = Hero, Itsuki = Claudio. Taniguchi can be Verges and Tsuruya can be Dogberry, who will fail to deliver her message properly because she can't stop laughing.

[Vexx]

Okay.. that was a funny mapping, Mirrinus :) <snort....>
It might be funny to see an "Omake Theatre SHnY production" of that.

[Michael Hopcroft]

If Lucky☆Star were a Shakespeare play?.... maybe Midsummer's Night Dream -- It's short with elements of self-parody. But L*S doesn't really have any pathos. Or with the ensemble cast, it's a bit like Much Ado About Nothing -- Konata would be Benedick, who's Kagami? Don John?





Kagami is Beatrice. Duh! She exudes the same air of "I'm too good for any of you!" And showing up Konata is her favorite, if not sole, recreational pastime.

2+2=4. ALWAYS.

[Meophist]

If you're going to compare anime to Shakespeare, why don't you guys just check out the new Romeo and Juliet anime instead(if you haven't already)?

[Michael Hopcroft]

If you're going to compare anime to Shakespeare, why don't you guys just check out the new Romeo and Juliet anime instead(if you haven't already)?

Because it's too obvious (and, IMHO, rather silly).

[Samatarou]

Re Shakespeare, Lucky Star is actually like The Tempest. Miyuki is Prospero, Kagami is Ariel, Tsukasa is Miranda, and of course Konata is Caliban!

Perhaps.

[Vexx]

... it reminds me of those silly sketches where the "adaptation writers" so completely rework a story that it is unrecognizeable to the author outside of the title. Why did they even bother to lift the title? Lots of stories abound about "doomed love" without people being named Romeo or Juliet.... (I've already done enoug posts lampooning 'adaptations gone wild')

For something fun like what I'd rather see ---
If anyone remembers a tv series called "Moonlighting" that included such unknowns as Bruce Willis and Cybil Shepard... they did a wonderful "omake theatre" episode called "Atomic Shakespeare" that was a fanciful musical satirical blend of the play "Taming of the Shrew" and its parallels with the world the characters inhabited. The setup was we saw a kid who was a fan of "Moonlighting" wanting to watch the show but was banned from the tv set until he finished his Shakespeare essay...

[Michael Hopcroft]

O for a Malahelicon of fire!

(Mally, the Muse of Bad Fanfiction, is a fixture in the MSTing sub-fandoms of most genres that produce fanfic. Legend says she also ghost-wrote about half of Star Trek: Voyager).

[Mirrinus]

If you're going to compare anime to Shakespeare, why don't you guys just check out the new Romeo and Juliet anime instead(if you haven't already)?

Because, despite being an admirer of Shakespeare, I just can't stand Romeo and Juliet. I have issues with the characters, as I find them ranging from mildly annoying to downright idiotic. I'm also not keen at all on the use of "love at first sight".

[Tsukiyomi]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.

[Deathkillz]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.
well with only 2 eps shown and the single thread going 1200+ posts im pretty sure that this series deserves its own section ~ and if its the comedy that you dont understand then its probably wise to quit :3

[Kaioshin Sama]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.

Well the amount of posts has slowed substantially since it got its own forum. I'm almost the only person who posts anymore I swear.

[Mirrinus]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.

Just this one topic alone has more posts than some other series' entire forums here on AnimeSuki. That's enough to warrent some attention.

[FatPianoBoy]

Well the amount of posts has slowed substantially since it got its own forum. I'm almost the only person who posts anymore I swear.

It seems that way because the posts are now spread out over several threads instead of confined to just one. Postings in the sub-forum seem to be about the same as they were before.

[Vexx]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.

Things get their own forum if the traffic warrants..... sometimes a series has a huge initial surge of topics, gets its own forum, and then all you can hear are crickets and tumbleweeds (simply not much to say or some other shiny grabs hold) -- recent examples include kashimashi and Negima!?, both had this happen to them. The "goodness" is irrelevant.

However, Lucky Star is based on a rather popular 4-koma manga -- that plus hype from the production company involved stirred up a lot of curiousity at the least. The humor is subtle and at times mild so it may not be to everyone's taste.

[Daniel E.]

Well the amount of posts has slowed substantially since it got its own forum. I'm almost the only person who posts anymore I swear.

I am guessing that a lot of folks now wait for their favorite sub before posting instead of jumping to the first RAW or speedsub available.

I for once, would not have been able to keep the posting pace I showed during the first two weeks. :p

[Vexx]

Aye... I'm not watching the RAWs anymore... waiting for the subs.... therefore, not much to say after a day or two of over-analyzing what is basically a happy simple little show.

[celcius]

About the only thing that could be watched for non-moonspeaking people is the ED.
This week's ED rocks BTW ^^

LuckyChannel is sure taking their time...
I was expecting my RakiSuta fix yesterday =.=

[Michael Hopcroft]

You know, it's weird but after two epsiodes I'm already mulling over ideas for continuation stories.

And they're naughty. I feel shamed.

Imagine, after graduation, Kona, Miyuki and Tsukasa forming a manga circle, and after six years having had some success (Kona would be the writer, Miyuki the artist and business manager, and Tuskasa the shader/inker/typesetted). Just before Comiket, Kagami shows up at their doorstep havign been thrown out and abandoned by the slimeball she'd married. She's got to stay somewhere, and she is family -- even though she disapproves of her sister's choice of careers.

But when she joins the trio of their trip to Comiket, that's when she's in for a real shock. Although the trio are professionals who no longer sell doujinshi, they still go to Comiket to 'scout talent" -- or, rather, to cut loose and party. since nobody at Comiket knows they're up-and-coming mistresses of manga, they get to revel in their relative anonymity -- and Miyuki's fondness for "tutoring" young artists proves especially shocking for Kagami (who still has that ramrod up her *** when it comes to men and women, or women and women).

[Lucky_Day]

This is followed by "Kill the Bill Volume 8: Akira Gets Paid"

[Telliamed]

LuckyChannel is sure taking their time...
I was expecting my RakiSuta fix yesterday =.=[/font][/COLOR]

Could it be they're taking time to proofread first? That would be a shocker.
Not that I'd watch them even if they release first. LC dropped the ball on this series.

But I d/led Hayate this afternoon and am about to go watch it now, so I can wait another couple hours for my weekly moe-otaku fix.

[Vexx]

welllllll, even a.f.k. makes mistakes.... the dentist sequence had some grammar errors even allowing for casual speech patterns. But yes, LC could probably use some editing and QC assistance. They've recently acquired some new help so they may be working out the kinks.

[DragoonKain3]

Well LC's is out now, so I guess ppl won't be complaining. XD

Still, ~36 hours after first raw available is still pretty speed if you ask me. I don't know why people are complaining in the first place. >_>

[Ascaloth]

Well LC's is out now, so I guess ppl won't be complaining. XD

Still, ~36 hours after first raw available is still pretty speed if you ask me. I don't know why people are complaining in the first place. >_>

Spoiled by the record-breaking speeds of TWH-Sprocket and SS-Eclipse when they did Kanon 2006, no doubt. :p

[~Tsukuyomi]

is Lucky Star really that good of an anime that it deserves its own forum?? there's only been 2 episodes too. i dun understand.

And I'm embarrass to see my clone say such things... Go watch the anime and see for yourself... Best ranked anime in the Spring season of 2007... Its like how big Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu was with just a couple episodes...

[Asai]

Very impressed with the karaoke in episode 3. :D This show continues to deliver. ^^

[arkon]

Things get their own forum if the traffic warrants..... sometimes a series has a huge initial surge of topics, gets its own forum, and then all you can hear are crickets and tumbleweeds (simply not much to say or some other shiny grabs hold) -- recent examples include kashimashi and Negima!?, both had this happen to them. The "goodness" is irrelevant.

However, Lucky Star is based on a rather popular 4-koma manga -- that plus hype from the production company involved stirred up a lot of curiousity at the least. The humor is subtle and at times mild so it may not be to everyone's taste.

Really? I was under the impression (mistaken or not) that it wasn't that popular a manga *shrugs*

welllllll, even a.f.k. makes mistakes.... the dentist sequence had some grammar errors even allowing for casual speech patterns. But yes, LC could probably use some editing and QC assistance. They've recently acquired some new help so they may be working out the kinks.

Just out of interest what were these errors (genuine question). I'm sort of basing my personal softsubs on raws and a mixture of groups but mainly a.f.k. subs and I'd like to get any bugs ironed out. PM if you don't feel it's appropriate for this thread.

[Lucky_Day]

I never heard of a time when they made an anime out of an unpopular manga. However, there is a first time for everything.

[Vexx]

The error was the grammatial construction using the possessive form of the word "dentist" (dentist's). First off, English is wierd and is full of odd exceptions -- that out of the way, the proper construction would have simply been (see 23:39 in the episode and the next minute or two):
"I'm pretty scared of the dentist myself." or "I'm pretty scared of the dentist's office myself" (the first being more conversational). a.f.k. appears to pride itself on localization rather than literalness (they usually provide implicit nouns that conversational japanese omits, for example).
There were several lines of dialog after that which also misused the possessive form.

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

a.f.k. does stellar work so it just makes little errors stand out more :)

[Samatarou]

Imagine, after graduation, Kona, Miyuki and Tsukasa forming a manga circle, and after six years having had some success

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

[Risaa]

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

How in the world do you find time for everything? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Risaa/Kitty_Ahh_by_Risaa.gif I'm barely able to keep up and I've only got school.

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

I had that same thought too, when I first read that. Or rather, they would be CLAMP if that were to happen. I honestly don't see that happening in the girls' future, but I still think it was a fun suggestion. XD

[Vexx]

Those are all part time jobs... I'm like "mister small job freelancer" (which is actually making She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed nuts due to the unpredictability of income (some months very good, other months suck) - she, of course, has a completely predictable stable profession and income ... note the Konata&Kagami parallels), hence my current quest to either become certified as a teacher and/or get a "regular" job that suits my innate ADDness. I need to be doing lots of different things.

[Mirrinus]

I'd probably post more often if my current circumstances didn't prevent me from watching this show for the next 3 weeks or so...

[Lucky_Day]

How in the world do you find time for everything? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Risaa/Kitty_Ahh_by_Risaa.gif I'm barely able to keep up and I've only got school.



I had that same thought too, when I first read that. Or rather, they would be CLAMP if that were to happen. I honestly don't see that happening in the girls' future, but I still think it was a fun suggestion. XD

A book on writing that I still have says "write about what you know". A group of girls who get together and write a manga is what they know.

Although currently a thirty-something college student, I too know what it is like to have an unstable income.

[Michael Hopcroft]

So Lucky Star is really "CLAMP—The Early Days"?

Everyone here is familiar enough with how CLAMP began their careers to get that joke.

Still, I can see it happening, given Kona's continuous manga Jones. And if you've ever read the afterwards to things like wish, you ca imagine that things get pretty weird in the household of the ladies from Osaka, so the three lucky Star girls as housemates and collaborators would be probably quite funny.

Especially the contrast to Kagami, who is so upright and determined to do the right, expected things. She probably doesn't realize that getting her wish for a normal life would leave her completely miserable.

[Kaoru Chujo]

...Especially the contrast to Kagami.... She probably doesn't realize that getting her wish for a normal life would leave her completely miserable.After all, she takes every opportunity to be with Konata. She seems normal, but she seeks the abnormal.

And anyone getting a show as hard to translate as this one out in 36 hours is a triumph.

[arkon]

The error was the grammatial construction using the possessive form of the word "dentist" (dentist's). First off, English is wierd and is full of odd exceptions -- that out of the way, the proper construction would have simply been (see 23:39 in the episode and the next minute or two):
"I'm pretty scared of the dentist myself." or "I'm pretty scared of the dentist's office myself" (the first being more conversational). a.f.k. appears to pride itself on localization rather than literalness (they usually provide implicit nouns that conversational japanese omits, for example).
There were several lines of dialog after that which also misused the possessive form.

There you have my grammar nazi presentation for the day (Some of my many jobs includes professional technical writing, part time translation proofing for japanese->english works, and grading student essays).

a.f.k. does stellar work so it just makes little errors stand out more :)

The episode finishes for me at 23:39, and I thought that was just a case of them leaving out place/surgery/office from your second example

[Jiji]

speaking of a.f.k., ep 3 is now listed on Tosho. ^____^

[WanderingKnight]

Once again, Anime News Network has posted their reviews of most of the new spring anime (Lucky Star included)....

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2007-04-22

And once again ANN shows that it's pretty detrimental and contradictory staff-wise. The judgment of the first episode of Lucky Star seemed to be by someone who isn't at all in touch with the sense of Japanese comedy and could only get on a fully-western point of view (especially about the part of the food), so I'm assuming he's not living in Japan (most of the ANN staff isn't in Japan anyways, so what I'm about to say may apply to the rest of the previewers for the series), so I'm assuming, also, that he *had* to actually acquire the episode illegally, the same attitude ANN supposedly despises and has cursing all over its site. Try even going to their forums and say that you're a downloader, and ready your umbrella for a storm of shit. I'm not kidding. I've got so sick of the false attitude from the staff and the intolerance of its members that I almost got to the point of hating the site altogether, if it only wasn't for its encyclopedia.

Sorry, as soon as I read the ANN preview I had to say this.

[Kaioshin Sama]

And once again ANN shows that it's pretty detrimental and contradictory staff-wise. The judgment of the first episode of Lucky Star seemed to be by someone who isn't at all in touch with the sense of Japanese comedy and could only get on a fully-western point of view (especially about the part of the food), so I'm assuming he's not living in Japan (most of the ANN staff isn't in Japan anyways, so what I'm about to say may apply to the rest of the previewers for the series), so I'm assuming, also, that he *had* to actually acquire the episode illegally, the same attitude ANN supposedly despises and has cursing all over its site. Try even going to their forums and say that you're a downloader, and ready your umbrella for a storm of shit. I'm not kidding. I've got so sick of the false attitude from the staff and the intolerance of its members that I almost got to the point of hating the site altogether, if it only wasn't for its encyclopedia.

Sorry, as soon as I read the ANN preview I had to say this.

I find it funny that Carl Kimlinger watches and reviews show that he clearyl doesn't like. I would prefer something like this old 1940's TV I read about in a Bathroom Reader. In this show an author would be put on the hot seat with a critic who would criticize his book and one who would praise it and he would answer their critiques. Barring the obvious absence of a director in reviewing on a small time website, they should have one review that is critical and one that is supportive of a show and place them side by side letting the viewer make the choice. I frown upon the one review system (I think Ebert & Roeper wouldn't be respected without both of them to give their say) and I think ANN's having one clearly hardass guy do a certain type of shows hurts their credibility a bit.

[mukansa monkey]

So, uh, how exactly does one eat cake with a normal distribution? Because speculating about that has been making my brain hurt...
The way I take this is that in a given bite the percentages of strawberry, cream and cake have to follow a normal distribution, so that most of the time the ratio between them is fairly constant. Maintaining that ratio should produce an ideal cake-eating experience, as long as your percentages don't vary by more than a standard deviation. And yes, I'm the guy who goes back to the bowl of cream just because I'm nearing the end of my slice and the ratios are off.

Its rare I come across an ANN review that likes the sort of thing I like, so I long ago figured they lived on the other side of the anime spectrum and, if anything, they're kind of over-reaching by calling themselves the "anime news network" rather than the "some parts of the shounen news" spectrum or something similar.
That reminds me of when my local paper published an index of movie reviews from a bunch of major reviewers, so that you could see what they al had to say about a given film at the same time. I quickly came to realize that the NY Times movie reviewer was one of those dramatic film snobs who thought The English Patient was the greatest thing to ever grace the big screen. My tastes were pretty much the complete opposite of theirs, so the harder they panned something the more I wanted to see it.

[mukansa monkey]

I realized while reading posts here that Ep. 3 came out from AFK about thirty seconds after the last time I refreshed the main page, and that was almost 5 hours ago. I'm not sure whether to be horribly sad that I could have been watching it hours ago, or relieved that I'm not such a rabid fanboy that I compulsively hit the refresh button like an ebay sniper. Oh well, it downloaded in under 18 minutes. :) Time to go watch!

[Michael Hopcroft]

I'm still downloading both the Lucky-Channel and a.f.k. subs. The main reason is that I'm one of the downloaders/archivers for my local club and they haven't decided which translation they prefer. (I am also downloading a.f.k. sub of AniYoko, which is a surprisingly popular show at our club because it's so very weeeeird for a children's show).

Hopefully I won't be in a position where I'm forced to choose one or the other.

[Vexx]

I'm going to start downloading the other significant groups as well:
Eien no anime (and maybe even Wind) to compare with.

This may take the prize for the number of different subs downloaded for one series (the previous was Shuffle! where I was downloading three -- I never really was able to pick one set of releases I liked .... and then there was the problems with the show itself....). At least I know here that as long as they stick with the manga material I'll be fine.

[vhx]

I just watched the first episode and I have to say... what exactly is this?

I am pretty tolerant of anime genre's and consider myself to be open to new concepts and ideas. However, this show just makes my head hurt. First of all 10 minutes of talking about food, the way to eat food, and how they setup food was probably the biggest waste of my time EVER.

To be honest the only saving grace for this anime is the character's drawing style, which imo is pretty cute. I think I only laughed once and that was when she was talking about how she knocked out some foreign guy and she related it to street fighter. This anime is probably the biggest chick anime I have ever seen. If you honestly like watching anime where ditzy girls talk about pointless subjects, then all the more power to you. However, I can barely stand that IRL, much less 20ish minutes of that in anime form. I mean theres no plot at all, it's just one random thought to the next. I think I saw them go from food -> glasses -> colds in the matter of a few minutes.

I have no idea how this anime even deserves its own section. I have seen many great anime's come and go (and some awesome ones) that did not have it's own section. I guess theres always a market for things like this; so I have a feeling I'm gonna get torn into by the fans here (:P), but just honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

/boggle

[Skane]

Different folks, different strokes.

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I just watched the first episode and I have to say... what exactly is this?

I am pretty tolerant of anime genre's and consider myself to be open to new concepts and ideas. However, this show just makes my head hurt. First of all 10 minutes of talking about food, the way to eat food, and how they setup food was probably the biggest waste of my time EVER.

To be honest the only saving grace for this anime is the character's drawing style, which imo is pretty cute. I think I only laughed once and that was when she was talking about how she knocked out some foreign guy and she related it to street fighter. This anime is probably the biggest chick anime I have ever seen. If you honestly like watching anime where ditzy girls talk about pointless subjects, then all the more power to you. However, I can barely stand that IRL, much less 20ish minutes of that in anime form. I mean theres no plot at all, it's just one random thought to the next. I think I saw them go from food -> glasses -> colds in the matter of a few minutes.

I have no idea how this anime even deserves its own section. I have seen many great anime's come and go (and some awesome ones) that did not have it's own section. I guess theres always a market for things like this; so I have a feeling I'm gonna get torn into by the fans here (:P), but just honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

/boggle

It's the nature of the 4Koma beast, you either get the joke and laugh or don't and have no other choice but to scratch you head and mull it over. I think some basic to intermediate knowledge of Japanese culture and the Otaku lifestly is a prerequisite. You also need to know the meaning of the term moe, as Lucky Star parodies and slams the concept quite routinely by presenting it at it's core values without any sugar coating, for the characters to comment on. Nothing is sacred with Konata.

[Duo Maxwell]

but just honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

How many times I have read this kind of question, I wonder :rolleyes:
Now I think we should consider about having a thread for LS haters. It'll be easy for new fan or anti-fan to navigate where they should go first :heh: .

[Jiji]

honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

Same things that were interesting about Azumanga Daioh. If you didn't like that, you probably won't like this. How many times has that been said in this thread? Geez, people, I know this thread is long, but read a little first.

/still hasn't had time to watch ep 3.
//maybe tonight.

[kenjiharima]

Thread for LS haters? It's like saying lets make a flame thread for a certain anime. I feel I don't like to have a thread like that and besides it's their option not to watch LS if they're LS haters.

[dKiWi]

I just watched the first episode and I have to say... what exactly is this?

I am pretty tolerant of anime genre's and consider myself to be open to new concepts and ideas. However, this show just makes my head hurt. First of all 10 minutes of talking about food, the way to eat food, and how they setup food was probably the biggest waste of my time EVER.

To be honest the only saving grace for this anime is the character's drawing style, which imo is pretty cute. I think I only laughed once and that was when she was talking about how she knocked out some foreign guy and she related it to street fighter. This anime is probably the biggest chick anime I have ever seen. If you honestly like watching anime where ditzy girls talk about pointless subjects, then all the more power to you. However, I can barely stand that IRL, much less 20ish minutes of that in anime form. I mean theres no plot at all, it's just one random thought to the next. I think I saw them go from food -> glasses -> colds in the matter of a few minutes.

I have no idea how this anime even deserves its own section. I have seen many great anime's come and go (and some awesome ones) that did not have it's own section. I guess theres always a market for things like this; so I have a feeling I'm gonna get torn into by the fans here (:P), but just honestly what's so interesting about this anime?

/boggle

Just because an anime has no plot means it isn't good?

Lucky Star is Seinen slice-of-life, and slice-of-life anime is much better than plot driven ones. Especially for people like me hu does a dumb security job (MINDEF MP) and spends most of my time sleeping. Basically for older audiences who have a full-time job and can't concentrate on a long plot, and can catch in-between-the-lines jokes.

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I think if u're at least 17 u can catch the above sexual reference. So you think its juz dumb talk abt food eh? Its more sophisticated than meets the eye.

When an anime is slice-of-life, the rewatchability goes up alot as compared to a plot-driven anime or a comedy anime. For plot-driven anime, you can anticipate the plot twists and for comedies, you can anticipate the joke. SoL is good to watch over and over again and almost never fails to amuse.

I personally have watched Lucky Star episode 1 five times, episode 2 seven times and episode 3 four times and counting (episode 3 is the best so far). Looks like I'm gonna watch episode 3 alot of times, should be at least ten.

One of the best SoL anime of all time is Azumanga Daioh. This one I can re-watch a few million times. I thought Lucky Star was going to be inferior to Azumanga Daioh until episode 3.

If you think a series this good doesn't deserve its own section, you are better off not watching anime at all in my opinion.

[KiNA]

@ vhx.. Just consider yourself not otaku enough to understand some of the jokes ... this anime would definitely not be your taste till the end. The other some are just a slice of life drama.. ordinary peoples talking about ordinary thing.. your call, if you dont like episode 1, I would suggest you never bother wasting your bandwidth to download subsequent episodes either.

[Duo Maxwell]

Thread for LS haters? It's like saying lets make a flame thread for a certain anime. I feel I don't like to have a thread like that and besides it's their option not to watch LS if they're LS haters.

C'mon, I was just joking ^^".
It's just kind of frustrating to see the same questiong being asked over and over.
How about asking "What's so interesting about LS" in Q&A thread.....?

[Vexx]

How many times I have read this kind of question, I wonder :rolleyes:
Now I think we should consider about having a thread for LS haters. It'll be easy for new fan or anti-fan to navigate where they should go first :heh: .

I wouldn't call them "haters" (at least not initially)... more like "don't getters".
Later, the insecurity over not getting it does cause some to start "hating" though :) ... a classic human behavior.

That last remark was a bit rude, don't you think, dKiWi? "Good" is a subjective term... although I can recognize when something is "good" even if *I* don't care for it.
A lot of opera and ballet is good.... though I can't sit through it. Some forms of music I can't stand -- though I can recognize which ones are excellent examples of the genre.
Lucky*Star, I feel like is a fine carry-forward of a type of comedy I enjoy immensely - but, like Monty Python, Hitchhiker's Guide, Mr. Bean, National Lampoon, Stephan Wright .... there's a lot of people who just sit there and scratch their heads. If they're mature about it, they just shrug that its not hitting their "funny" ... if they're insecure about that - they say it sucks and anyone who likes it is stupid.

You don't have to *be* otaku to get all the jokes... you just have to know *about* otaku-ness. Just remember.... geek/nerd does not equate to 'otaku' (there's just a large overlap). Dorktower is a good reference material for that overlap :)

[Daniel E.]

It's interesting when people get worked up about the slightest comment here. :rolleyes:

If you believe someone is being extremely negative about a show in their comments, you must also believe other people can be extremely positive about it.

Both are the same in more than one way, yet, you rarely see the second one being questioned or challenged.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I personally have watched Lucky Star episode 1 five times, episode 2 seven times and episode 3 four times and counting (episode 3 is the best so far). Looks like I'm gonna watch episode 3 alot of times, should be at least ten.

One of the best SoL anime of all time is Azumanga Daioh. This one I can re-watch a few million times. I thought Lucky Star was going to be inferior to Azumanga Daioh until episode 3.

If you think a series this good doesn't deserve its own section, you are better off not watching anime at all in my opinion.

You must have an unbelievable amount of time on your hands. And don't you think you are overexaggerating the compexity and impact of Lucky Star just a wee bit. You're making it sound like it's the greatest comedy ever written or something. You don't need to scare the guy into not watching it by making him feel unworthy and too dumb to watch it. Let's keep an open mind over a curious personality, the same way people kept an open mind about me when I jumped into Haruhi and the 21st century last sum....Wait....is that what happened with me? Man slice of life fans can be unwelcoming, but for a few. It's almost no wonder why new initiates can be turned off very quickly in the beginning (like me last summer with Haruhi).

Hey Daniel E. sorry I can't postive rep you for your post yet (I'd almost give you 3 reps for nailing it right on the head with what I've been trying to say. Since nobody listens to me, hopefully they will listen to your wisdom). What you said in the second paragraph is what I've been trying to explain to people in relation to accusations of trolling. Except replace extremely negative with moderately negative in my case and you've got it. I'll paint a picture of my personal theory regarding environments of popular anime.

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There seems to be no room for dissent on boards of these types of shows. What I find interesting is that if you go to a board on say Darker Than Black, it's completely civil.

[NaweG]

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

Now, you may say that the requirements should specify something more substantial, but that's not a quality issue. That's someone either misunderstanding what they were asking for, or having decided that they needed to cut corners somewhere to match the budget.

SO... for a series like LS, the quality question is, does this do a good job of bringing the manga to life? If it does, then it's a quality adaption even if you don't particularly care for this type of series - in which case you should look for something where the requirements and your tastes align better.

All that said, how long until ep 4? :D

[dKiWi]

You must have an unbelievable amount of time on your hands. And don't you think you are overexaggerating the compexity and impact of Lucky Star just a wee bit. You're making it sound like it's the greatest comedy ever written or something. You don't need to scare the guy into not watching it by making him feel unworthy and too dumb to watch it. Let's keep an open mind over a curious personality, the same way people kept an open mind about me when I jumped into Haruhi and the 21st century last sum....Wait....is that what happened with me? Man slice of life fans can be unwelcoming, but for a few. It's almost no wonder why new initiates can be turned off very quickly in the beginning (like me last summer with Haruhi).


Actually its more like I get back from work pissed off with the world, and I decide to watch the OP to destress, then I end up watching the entire episode. Can't... click... the... X... gah. Too good. This repeats almost everyday. I end up watching about 4 anime every season and may end up dropping at least 2, which explains my excess time. Rather watch 1 series to death.

And its not like I want to scare anyone but it isn't like I wasn't offended by what he wrote. And I was dismally disappointed by the lack of counter-arguements.

Usually I rather not actually post in these forums and just leech information, and recently have not been browsing too much. But posts like this has changed my mentality for good.

[Vexx]

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

Now, you may say that the requirements should specify something more substantial, but that's not a quality issue. That's someone either misunderstanding what they were asking for, or having decided that they needed to cut corners somewhere to match the budget.

SO... for a series like LS, the quality question is, does this do a good job of bringing the manga to life? If it does, then it's a quality adaption even if you don't particularly care for this type of series - in which case you should look for something where the requirements and your tastes align better.

All that said, how long until ep 4? :D

Quoted in entirety for Great Truth....

The release pattern so far has been
LC usually releases their "speed sub" on Tuesday...
a.f.k. usually on Wednesday...
The other vary.

I've taken a look at Eien no Anime's releases.... people who are somewhat unhappy with some of a.f.k.'s choices in translation or grimacing at some of LC's efforts might consider looking at EnA. They sort of occupy a middle ground -- definitely some errors but for 'no apparent reason' they didn't distract me so much. Their font and color choices for subtitling also scored a "win" from the Queen-of-picky about such things in my home.

P.S. I've watched the L*S episodes probably as many times as dKiWi (though in some cases it was to check translations) a good deal of it was just because I was channeling the enjoyment I get out of the show ... from the simple BGMs to the OP to just watching the character animation.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Quoted in entirety for Great Truth....

The release pattern so far has been
LC usually releases their "speed sub" on Tuesday...
a.f.k. usually on Wednesday...
The other vary.

I've taken a look at Eien no Anime's releases.... people who are somewhat unhappy with some of a.f.k.'s choices in translation or grimacing at some of LC's efforts might consider looking at EnA. They sort of occupy a middle ground -- definitely some errors but for 'no apparent reason' they didn't distract me so much. Their font and color choices for subtitling also scored a "win" from the Queen-of-picky about such things in my home.

P.S. I've watched the L*S episodes probably as many times as dKiWi (though in some cases it was to check translations) a good deal of it was just because I was channeling the enjoyment I get out of the show ... from the simple BGMs to the OP to just watching the character animation.

I think the most times I have ever watched an episode was 5 for Kuroi Gundam the first episode Zeta Gundam. I saw it once subbed, again once subbed, then I saw it with a friend on my R1 Dvd's then again with my friend and his brother because I was needed as Mr. Explanation guy and then again with my friends brother and her girlfriend for the same reason. Each time I enjoyed it a little less, I also think I got up and went to make something to eat during the 5th time.

[Ffenix Rising]

All that said, how long until ep 4? :D

Sometime tomorrow night there'll be raw/unsubtitled videos, in 2-3 days you'll see Lucky-Channel's fansubs, and in 4-5 days you'll see AFK's version.

[Samatarou]

I think the most times I have ever watched an episode was 5
Ah... heh heh... 5 times is a lot? (quietly slinks away)

I have absolutely no idea how many times I've watched some episodes of Haruhi, Karin, and similar classics... but if AVIs could wear out... I guess I watch anime like most people listen to CDs... I mean most people listen to an album more than five times, right?

[Telliamed]

I think if u're at least 17 u can catch the above sexual reference. So you think its juz dumb talk abt food eh? Its more sophisticated than meets the eye.
I thought it was just about food. And I thought it was humorous. I've even had conversations like that in real life. And we weren't thinking anything vulgar, at least not until someone with his mind in the gutter makes the suggestion. Then we just start laughing at him for his H-ness.

I personally have watched Lucky Star episode 1 five times, episode 2 seven times and episode 3 four times and counting (episode 3 is the best so far). Looks like I'm gonna watch episode 3 alot of times, should be at least ten.
They have medicine for OCD now, you know.

It's interesting that the issue of what constitutes "quality" is a big deal in the business world as well.

At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (guess I am actually), as part of my PMP certification the PMI folks preach that quality is how well the end product matches the requirements. IOW, if the requirements say "use bailing wire" and your end product does, in fact, use bailing wire, then the final product is of good quality.

And if the requirements are utterly brain-dead? Business documents try to describe three different things at the same time: What the client wants. What the client needs. And what the client asks for. By your judgement, you should always deliver the third.

Problem is, clients are often morons. If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't need me to do it for them.

[Kaioshin Sama]

They have medicine for OCD now, you know.

Funny you should mention, I have OCD for real and I still don't get the idea behind watching an anime episode more than maybe twice at the absolute most. Once your done with an episode I think its healthy to move onto the next one, or finish something else up you may have on the back-burner. I guess my OCD gimmick would be something of a gotta keep going nature.

[WanderingKnight]

Lucky Star is Seinen slice-of-life, and slice-of-life anime is much better than plot driven ones.

Uh-huh...

Now, I love slice of life, but that doesn't make a whole genre better than a whole lot of other genres...

[mukansa monkey]

I'm going to pick up the gauntlet here and try to write a good counter-argument to VHX's post.

The first issue here is that topically this show is dealing mostly with a relatively specialized set of topics related to otaku. Anime trends, MMORPGs, old sci-fi movies, etc. If you're not hugely into most of those topics, or don't care to have them analyzed self-referentially, it'll be harder for you to get much from this show. The humor in this show isn't 50% universal, unlike say, urinal jokes.

In order for a slice-of-life comedy to appeal to you, you must be passingly familiar with the particular slice that's being examined. For instance, multiple people in this thread (including myself) have been a bit awed at just how precisely the food conversation mirrors conversations we have had with our friends in real life. If you have never had a conversation even remotely resembling that one, it'll be rather hard to relate to. A lot of the value this show offers is in displaying common patterns (memes) such as conversation topics or stereotypes in their stark essence. In the first episode, the character Miyuki is introduced as a supremely cute-girl moe character. However, the specific details of what makes her moe are not only laid down with cold precision, she's then openly made fun of. So a fan of such moe is going to go Oooh! And then go Man, she's kind of lame for such a cute girl... but wait, when characters do lame stuff like that I think they're cute... what does that say about me? The trouble is that if your first reaction is "What a ditz", you're never going to get the rest of the chain of thought and the dramatic tension that it leads to.

Another reason to appreciate this show is the way in which it balances in-your-face commentary with subtle observations. An example of the first would be the scene where Konata explains to her friends that this kidnapper in the newspapers was probably trying to act out a common theme in adult games. The response is basically "How does a high school junior get to know so much about porn games?". A lot of viewers who immediately grokked Konata's explanation are now feeling something like Aaaugh, busted! For an example of something more subtle, consider the sequence where Konata visits Kagami who is at home sick. From Kagami's perspective Konata is largely annoying (mostly for failing to follow expectations of how to treat a sick person), but when Miyuki hears about it her take on Konata's behavior is radically more positive. The tricky thing is that Miyuki might actually be correct in her assessment, if you go back and rewatch the timing of the first part. There's an additional irony in that Miyuki's supposedly proper visit ends up looking like it's a lot more strain on the sick girl. This sort of thing encourages multiple viewings of the show, and increases appreciation for the levels of meaning that aren't often apparent at first (although I can't believe anyone didn't get Konata's suggestive motions when describing how to eat ice cream, that was *so* not-subtle).

So, this show does an impressively good job of exposing stereotypes, common assumptions, otaku excesses, etc. If you don't see them, or more importantly if you don't desire to watch a show that pushes you to think about that sort of thing, you're not likely to find this enjoyable. Those elements are there in abundance though, which is why there are quite a few fans for this show.

On to other subjects... I agree that people who can rewatch animes many times must have a lot more free time than I do. Unlike music, it's hard to watch anime while say, driving an hour one way to work. I have way too many hobbies to begin with though, doesn't help. And um, I've watched the OP about 100 times now. The first time I thought it sucked. The second time I decided it was oddly catchy. About the fifth time I started noticing the unusual use of time signatures. Around 50 I started making corrections to the translations. I think my wife is starting to wonder about me... of course she says I'm almost as cute as Miyuki, so I guess I've got her sufficiently deluded or something.
BTW Kaioshin-kun, Lucky Star *is* the greatest comedy ever written. You just haven't come out of the closet enough with your loli-moeness to admit it yet. And yer OCD? That explains a few of your odder posts.
:: makes a note to send Kaioshin a case of soap::

[Kaioshin Sama]

BTW Kaioshin-kun, Lucky Star *is* the greatest comedy ever written. You just haven't come out of the closet enough with your loli-moeness to admit it yet. And yer OCD? That explains a few of your odder posts.
:: makes a note to send Kaioshin a case of soap::

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. ;)

Be that as it may, I still wouldn't deny that I prefer western comedy over anime style comedy. The best comedy ever written for me is something I watch daily. It's The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, blending raw political humour with a clever satire on the gimmicks of a primetime news program.

[Vexx]

Jon Stewart --- the only real reason to have cable :)

@the OP: yeah, the time signature changes really appealed to me as well (music geek, highschool and college band) ... there's just something marvelous about the shift from beat "rap" to the harmonic chorus.

[Ascaloth]

Especially for people like me hu does a dumb security job (MINDEF MP) and spends most of my time sleeping.

....Wow, small world. That was the job I was doing until last December. :heh:

So, are you "outside" or "inside"? You know what I mean. And give me the answer by PM, you know what we do is pretty classified stuff.

And....just a piece of advice, try to avoid mentioning it in the future. Again, "classified", you know what I mean? ;)

In the first episode, the character Miyuki is introduced as a supremely cute-girl moe character. However, the specific details of what makes her moe are not only laid down with cold precision, she's then openly made fun of. So a fan of such moe is going to go Oooh! And then go Man, she's kind of lame for such a cute girl... but wait, when characters do lame stuff like that I think they're cute... what does that say about me? The trouble is that if your first reaction is "What a ditz", you're never going to get the rest of the chain of thought and the dramatic tension that it leads to.


...pal, you just left me feeling VERY depressed about myself. :heh:

Yep, that's right. Knew a girl in my schooling days who could rival Ayu in loli-ness, very much a ditz to boot, used to think she was cute then, but now I'm not so sure.... :heh:

[dKiWi]

....Wow, small world. That was the job I was doing until last December. :heh:

So, are you "outside" or "inside"? You know what I mean. And give me the answer by PM, you know what we do is pretty classified stuff.

I am "outside". Wanted to say more but yeah as you said our job is classified. Too much stress for too little pay. Luckily we've got Lucky Star. In fact I shoudn't even have put that little detail abt my job in.

I thought it was just about food. And I thought it was humorous. I've even had conversations like that in real life. And we weren't thinking anything vulgar, at least not until someone with his mind in the gutter makes the suggestion. Then we just start laughing at him for his H-ness.


Lol I am military, and I've been through shit like 2 weeks confinement from civilian pleasures. Yes, no girls, and I've seen some soldiers resort to some really disgusting acts in the barracks toilets (unfortunately. It was a WTF moment) which I have not engaged in. If u think my mind is in the gutter, think again.

The sexual reference I have pointed out is NOTHING. NOTHING damnit. And I do believe alot of people have noticed it but just declined to point out. In fact I am curious. What is the "gui gui" thing? Coz yea due to re-watching alot I do watch the works of numerous fansub groups lol.

[Jiji]

The "gui-gui" thing is something called "gitaigo" in Japanese. The Japanese language has TONS of words for things that are basically sound effect words. English has them too, but I've a suspicion that we have less. Words like "bam" "pop" or the like are what we're talking about here. There's a great guide at this site (http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html).

I'm glad you cleared up what level of security you're talking about (military), because at first, I was thinking "Wal-Mart? Classified? Give me a break..." :P

[dKiWi]

oh my. Push and pull isn't very accurate a.f.k. My oh my I think I fully understand now haha... thanks man!

Eating ice-cream cones will never be the same again.

can't wait for episode 4 :)

[Risaa]

The "gui-gui" thing is something called "gitaigo" in Japanese. The Japanese language has TONS of words for things that are basically sound effect words. English has them too, but I've a suspicion that we have less. Words like "bam" "pop" or the like are what we're talking about here. There's a great guide at this site (http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html).

I have a 220 page book on Japanese onomatopoeia, not counting the index and bibliography. It's pretty interesting and there's just so much to learn about it - it's true, Japanese has soooo many onomatopoetic words. Onomatopoeia is used more often in daily speech in Japanese than in English, as well (not surprising considering Japanese has so many more than English), so it's very worthwhile to learn as many *ono* words as you can if you want to learn Japanese, IMO, whereas I would say it's not so important to learn many English *ono* words if you were learning English (but if course it's always nice to know stuff like that when learning another language).

oh my. Push and pull isn't very accurate a.f.k. My oh my I think I fully understand now haha... thanks man!

Eating ice-cream cones will never be the same again.
:( :( :( I didn't understand how this was ecchi until I read "push and pull". It makes me *sad* because I don't think it's really a perverted thing to do at all - I've always shoved the ice cream down into the cone with my tongue because I also hate eating plain cone. But now, seeing as how such an innocent act is being presented naughtily, I hesitate to eat anymore ice cream cones. :( :(

..Aw, to heck with that. ::runs off to buy ice cream and cones:: :)

[Seko]

I found a Lucky*Star fandub on youtube, ALREADY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGDPZDk6HCI
gGDPZDk6HCI

I'm not sure what to think. I really like Akira's voice but it seems kinda unrealistic for an ENGLISH dub at times.
Shiraishi... I half like and half don't like. I dunno.

What do you guys think?

[FatPianoBoy]

Hmm... Akira isn't quite genki enough when she should be. I like the voice, but the girl seemed like she lost interest really quick. Also, this may be the first time I've accused an American voice for not being as gutteral and sarcastic as the Japanese.
Minoru is supposed to soud nervous, not bored.

I liked the voices, but the acting and execution was about as good as your standard commercial dub (read: not that great).

[WanderingKnight]

I have a 220 page book on Japanese onomatopoeia, not counting the index and bibliography. It's pretty interesting and there's just so much to learn about it - it's true, Japanese has soooo many onomatopoetic words. Onomatopoeia is used more often in daily speech in Japanese than in English

Very true, but there's another gist to it: Japanese onomatopoeias don't sound rude. Most can be used in a formal context and you wouldn't get any eyebrow raise. On contrast, in most western languages, using an onomatopoeia like "zap", "boom", etc can be found to be terribly out of place in a formal context.

[Seko]

Hmm... Akira isn't quite genki enough when she should be. I like the voice, but the girl seemed like she lost interest really quick. Also, this may be the first time I've accused an American voice for not being as gutteral and sarcastic as the Japanese.
Minoru is supposed to soud nervous, not bored.

I liked the voices, but the acting and execution was about as good as your standard commercial dub (read: not that great).

Nervous! That's the word I was looking for. God I had a total brain fart so I just used the word "bored". I'm such an idiot. Forgive me.

But I think you really hit the nail on the head with your thoughts.

[Telliamed]

:( :( :( I didn't understand how this was ecchi until I read "push and pull". It makes me *sad* because I don't think it's really a perverted thing to do at all - I've always shoved the ice cream down into the cone with my tongue because I also hate eating plain cone. But now, seeing as how such an innocent act is being presented naughtily, I hesitate to eat anymore ice cream cones. :( :(

..Aw, to heck with that. ::runs off to buy ice cream and cones:: :)

I'm with you, Risaa. It's not that I didn't consider how the food conversation could be perverted. Just when the idea occurred to me, I instantly rejected it as obscene and unnecessary. I'm enjoying L*S just fine without having to turn everything into a sex joke. And I doubt that that is what the writers really intend it to be.

Not that they aren't making some off-color jokes. Konata playing eroga and teasing Miyuki about her moeness. It's not exploitative, though.

And I know better than to describe the way I used to eat ice cream cones. Certain people here would get totally the wrong idea. It was a trick to get around not being able to eat all the ice cream before it melted. Nowadays, of course, I just eat normally since melting isn't a problem. But back then it was a cute and clever thing I and my brother and sister all did. And they've taught the trick to their children. That someone would be able to make a crude innuendo out of it doesn't escape me, and he may think himself clever for doing so. I just think it's tasteless and unimpressive.

[Samatarou]

The way we used to eat ice cream cornets as kids was to bite off the small end and suck the icecream down into the cone and out the bottom, so it emerges like toohpaste from the hole. (You may have to "guigui" the icecream down a bit first from the top to seal any air gaps to achieve suction.)

[Jiji]

I'm with you, Risaa. It's not that I didn't consider how the food conversation could be perverted. Just when the idea occurred to me, I instantly rejected it as obscene and unnecessary. I'm enjoying L*S just fine without having to turn everything into a sex joke. And I doubt that that is what the writers really intend it to be.

Not that they aren't making some off-color jokes. Konata playing eroga and teasing Miyuki about her moeness. It's not exploitative, though.

And I know better than to describe the way I used to eat ice cream cones. Certain people here would get totally the wrong idea. It was a trick to get around not being able to eat all the ice cream before it melted. Nowadays, of course, I just eat normally since melting isn't a problem. But back then it was a cute and clever thing I and my brother and sister all did. And they've taught the trick to their children. That someone would be able to make a crude innuendo out of it doesn't escape me, and he may think himself clever for doing so. I just think it's tasteless and unimpressive.

Then for Gods' sake, don't ever read or watch Shakespeare. Or Chaucer (especially the Miller's Tale). Or Milton. Or...well, don't read anything.

[Kinny Riddle]

http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html

Director Yamada Yutaka would be replaced by Takeda Yasuhiro from episode 5 onwards.

TVアニメーション作品「らき☆すた」監督交代のお知らせ
「らき☆すた」監督の山本寛は、監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し、交代いたしまし た。

　放送第５話から新監督武本康弘のもとスタッフ一丸となって作品制作をしていきます。
引き続きよろしくお願いいたします。


「監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し」 Just this line alone says as Yamamoto is still rather not up to it as a director, so Kyo-Ani would be replacing him with the more experienced Takeda, the director of FMP: Fumoffu and FMP: The Second Raid.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A6%E6%9C%AC%E5%BA%B7%E5%BC%98

Edit: I typed the wrong Yamamoto, my bad.

[Kaioshin Sama]

http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html

Director Yamada Hiroshi would be replaced by Takeda Yasuhiro from episode 5 onwards.

From what I'm gathering on the babelfish translation it had to do with job performance. Kyoto Animation the Immortal has fallen on it's sword. Obviously the guy has screwed up somewhere in order for him to be replaced. You know what though, it could happen to anyone and this proves that the company is not perfect like some seem to think, there is always room for improvement.

[Nemo_N]

「監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し」 Just this line alone says as Yamamoto is still rather not up to it as a director, so Kyo-Ani would be replacing him with the more experienced Takeda, the director of FMP: Fumoffu and FMP: The Second Raid.

We can only speculate on the specifics, but could it be the "jumping around"? Moving from one scene to another so suddenly? (Again, just speculation).

I suppose Takeda's direction will show what they didn't like about Yamamoto.

Well, at least having FMP in his belt is quite reassuring.

[Skane]

http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html

Director Yamada Hiroshi would be replaced by Takeda Yasuhiro from episode 5 onwards.

「監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し」 Just this line alone says as Yamamoto is still rather not up to it as a director, so Kyo-Ani would be replacing him with the more experienced Takeda, the director of FMP: Fumoffu and FMP: The Second Raid.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A6%E6%9C%AC%E5%BA%B7%E5%BC%98
Oooo, isn't that a little harsh? I mean, Yamamoto-san wasn't doing a bad job. Lucky Star was probably his best chance to learn how to be a Director, as the stakes are comparatively low compared to KyoAni's other works.

Did they give a detailed explanation as to why they are replacing him? Or are they going to save his face and keep mum about it?

Cheers.

[Nemo_N]

Oooo, isn't that a little harsh? I mean, Yamamoto-san wasn't doing a bad job.

Yeah. It's not like he got a producer fired.

(Lame joke, I know. orz)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Oooo, isn't that a little harsh? I mean, Yamamoto-san wasn't doing a bad job. Lucky Star was probably his best chance to learn how to be a Director, as the stakes are comparatively low compared to KyoAni's other works.

Did they give a detailed explanation as to why they are replacing him? Or are they going to save his face and keep mum about it?

Cheers.

They said they felt he had "Reached His Limits" and that is about it. It's your usual corporate speak for "Your Fired and We're not telling you why". Why they need to humiliate the guy by posting it on the web, however I don't know. Like I said, the company could use a little tact when making public ads and announcements.

The way you should do it is with a public appearance and a statement to the degree that "The Company and Mr. Yamamoto have mutually agreed that Mr. Yamamoto is in need of relief from his hard work and effort as a valuable member of this company. As such he will be stepping down from the position of director to spend time with his family" *Handshake, Smile for the camera, maybe wave a little, thank each other, and then go inside*

[Tommy]

Well maybe it doesn't need it's own thread but I would like to know who the best sub group is doing this series.

[Samatarou]

Director Yamada Hiroshi would be replaced by Takeda Yasuhiro from episode 5 onwards.
It's because of that scene where Konachan said 2ch are a bunch of stinky sausages. (I think afk translated it as "web forums are akin to big macs".)

[Deathkillz]

It's because of that scene where Konachan said 2ch are a bunch of stinky sausages. (I think afk translated it as "web forums are akin to big macs".)
are you being serious or having a joke? cause that a really lame reason to replace Yamada if it is true :eyebrow:

[DragoonKain3]

Wait wait wait wait...

Just to get this straight, it's Yamamoto Yutaka we're talking about right? Because...

Yamada Hiroshi (from Kinny) - credited over @ ANN for mostly OP/ED and music related stuff that's not even related to any KyoAni stuff. I had to look him up because he didn't sound familiar at all, and considering his relation to KyoAni is nil, I don't think it's him.

Yamamoto Hiroshi (credited as director by ANN for Lucky Star) - This is the series director of the almighty Suzumiya Haruhi. I almost choked when I thought it was him being canned/demoted, (mainly because Haruhi as a series was just teh win) because well, what a loss for KyoAni if they ever did that.

Yamamoto Yutaka (from AFK translation) - Only credited for Munto, which proves he's still a green horn. Sounds the most logical, considering my trust in AFK and the fact that he's still a 'newb'. XD


EDIT: Hmm, new director from the same guy who did Fumoffu. Now this has got to be interesting, because Fumoffu was riot when it came to laughter.

[Samatarou]

are you being serious or having a joke? cause that a really lame reason to replace Yamada if it is true :eyebrow:

Sorry, it was just a little joke after hearing about the GAINAX / 2ch (http://www.animaxis.com/en/zine/newsletter/view.asp?id=N001814) debacle.

[Strato]

ANN fails at translating names which is a topic in multiple 2ch threads.

Yutaka Yamamoto, also known as Yamakan is responsible for the following:

Director - Lucky Star
Direction - Lucky Star Op dance.
Script/Storyboards/Direction for the karaoke ED sequence.
Direction - Haruhi ED dance. (He's a self-proclaimed Berryz fan, also see Lucky Channel in episode 1 of Lucky Star)
Script/Storyboards/Episode Direction - The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina
Script/Storyboards/Episode Direction - Live A Live
Script for various other Haruhi eps.
Overall series comp for Haruhi.
Storyboards/Episode Direction for the Kanon ep with excessive repetition (Lunch box swapping/endless loop conversation between Kyon/Nayuki)
Storyboards/Episode Direction for Ave Maria and haircut in TSR. Don't remember if those happened in the same episode.
Assistant Director for Munto 2
Storyboards/Episode Direction for the forgotten homework and hot springs Fumoffu eps. There may have been more.
Episode Direction for the Kunizaki saikou Air episode. Maybe another one.
Episode Direction for various Atashinchi and Hare Guu eps.

This was the first time he was actually directing a whole show. It's possible that he wasn't well-equipped to handle the other aspects of being the main director such as scheduling, HR, etc. It's also possible that this is a KyoAni joke since Takemoto/Gotoh were announced to be doing ep 5 since the beginning. Speaking of which, not sure if the shashu in the title for ep 5 combined with Takemoto/Gotoh team is a coincidence or not when they did Sagittarius.

[Telliamed]

I don't think we should write the obituary (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/04/30/lucky-star-director-change/#comment-63879) just yet.

I've liked the directing so far. If only because Lucky Star hasn't resorted to the dreaded lens-flare that has infected so many other KyoAni works. A few people have complained about abrupt scene changes, but I don't mind. A transition would seem gimmicky to me. Like saying, "Okay, the joke just ended. This is when you're supposed to laugh."

[Kaioshin Sama]

Gotta love how the blogger says the transition showcases "Kyoto Animation's legendary trait of producing high quality shows".

Okay two problems here, first it's not exactly a legendary trait as they haven't done enough series to firmly establish it as a trait, but far far more importantly the concepts of replacing a director and showcasing a trait of producing high quality show have absolutely nothing in common. If anything its shows a blemish on an otherwise good track record, that says "We've really messed up early on". This is not the kind of announcement you make to say "Hey, we rock!"

Good grief, it's like some people will stop at nothing to find reasons to praise the company, no matter what logic busting reasoning is required to do so. That's my two cents.

Still I'll also throw my hat in on the fake play on the Gurren Lagann hacking theory. I'd like to add that:

6. announcing such an important change in a production team on an obscure part of a site lacks class and is unbecoming of an animation studio. The Gurren Lagann announcement was a public one with Akai writing a formal letter in clear site on the companies website to issue his resignation. One would think Kyoto Animation would do both the fanbase and Yasuhiro the respect of doing the same.

If this turns out to be true I will have lost a bit of respect for Kyoto Animation in terms of them having prestige and class, not nearly as much as if it's the Gainax Joke Scenario though (You can add that to my critique of the Kurogane blog post as well. The style in which the announcement was made would show a lack of respect, not a dedication to high quality and prestige). Time will tell.....

[Telliamed]

Good grief, it's like some people will stop at nothing to find reasons to praise the company, no matter what logic busting reasoning is required to do so. That's my two cents.

Unless he was speaking tongue-in-cheek. Because, as you know, no one ever misunderstands sarcasm on the internet.

I'm pretty firmly in the fake-news camp, until I see evidence otherwise. It's just a matter of whether it's an outside prank, or in-house like Strato says. Although, why the matter hasn't been cleared up by now is a bit odd.

[Vexx]

Agreed.... this is a bit too flaky to take seriously at the moment (especially during a holiday period).

[Kaioshin Sama]

Back on the topic of multiple viewings now, I have a confession to make. I have watched the final scene of Super Bestial Machine God Dancougar about 20 times now and I've gotta say..... that is the most moving ending I've seen in ages. I can almost see where people are coming from now when it comes to certain scenes.

[Sheba]

I've cried way more at the deaths of Rei, Shuh or Jyuuza in Hokuto no Ken.

And I'll never get over the fact that the animated version of JoJo did not do Iggy's death scene the justice he deserves.

And in more recent memory, I cried like a little girl at the end of Air. Just when I thought I'd never cry at an anime ever again.

Edit: Gungrave's ending is also one that was moving.

[Kinny Riddle]

Wait wait wait wait...

Just to get this straight, it's Yamamoto Yutaka we're talking about right? Because...

I checked the Japanese wikipedia entry for that kanji, so yes, his name is pronounced Yutaka, not Hiroshi, my bad. Sorry for the confusion. (I blame ANN and the English wikipedia entry for the misleading info. )


Yamamoto Hiroshi (credited as director by ANN for Lucky Star) - This is the series director of the almighty Suzumiya Haruhi. I almost choked when I thought it was him being canned/demoted, (mainly because Haruhi as a series was just teh win) because well, what a loss for KyoAni if they ever did that.

Correction. The series director of the "almighty Suzumiya Haruhi" is Ishihara Tatsuya, director of the much fabled/derided (choose latter if you're a cynical Kyo-Ani hater) AIR and Kanon 2006. Yamamoto was in charge of the casting in that series, but not directing.

A golden opportunity for the Kyo-Ani cynics pour their scorn over Kyo-Ani by jumping to conclusions and saying Kyo-Ani has finally "fallen on their sword" when not everything is clear what's going on. I will reserve judgment until about episode 8 to see how much of a difference the new director would make.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I checked the Japanese wikipedia entry for that kanji, so yes, his name is pronounced Yutaka, not Hiroshi, my bad. Sorry for the confusion. (I blame ANN and the English wikipedia entry for the misleading info. )



Correction. The series director of the "almighty Suzumiya Haruhi" is Ishihara Tatsuya, director of the much fabled/derided (choose latter if you're a cynical Kyo-Ani hater) AIR and Kanon 2006. Yamamoto was in charge of the casting in that series, but not directing.

A golden opportunity for the Kyo-Ani cynics pour their scorn over Kyo-Ani by jumping to conclusions and saying Kyo-Ani has finally "fallen on their sword" when not everything is clear what's going on. I will reserve judgment until about episode 8 to see how much of a difference the new director would make.

I for on am glad it's not the worst case scenario. What I meant by temporarily falling on their sword, was that its a minor setback. I am allowed to say they made a mistake in selecting their team and have admitted it aren't I? Still, it is indeed a sad thing to have this happen to the Director so soon and hopefully he gets another shot in the future. My guess the change in director would make is that it will have a placebo effect on the viewership making them think the series has been turned on its head, when really it's still the same show. What it might be is a bit tighter in terms of pacing with the more expeirience Takemoto at the helm.

By the way I'm still allowed on your site aren't I? :D

[Furudanuki]

This is certainly not the "We are making changes for the benefit of all concerned, everyone is happy about it, Yamamoto is a valued employee, we all love our company and each other, nobody loses face" announcement that is standard issue for Japanese corporations. If this is not a hoax, then Yamamoto must have said or done something that seriously pissed off and/or embarrassed someone high up in the Kyoto Animation food chain. If it had been solely a matter of disappointing performance, then he probably would have been given an opportunity to save face and make his own announcement rather than being slapped down in public.

[Kinny Riddle]

By the way I'm still allowed on your site aren't I? :D

I have no idea what you're talking about. What makes you think that? :cool:

[Skane]

Well, AnimeNewsNetwork (along with AnimeNewsService and Moonphase) finally put up an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-04-30/lucky-star-changes-director-after-four-episodes) about it, so I suppose that settles the issue of whether it is a hoax or not.

I am still baffled by this rather harsh development. The biggest "crime" I could possibly accuse Yamamoto-san of is that his scene transitions were questionable, but that hardly justifies this public smackdown.

The animation quality has been kept consistent, the punchlines had weight, all in all, Lucky Star is hardly a series that is in trouble (unlike one other Spring2007 series where its own producers are all gloom and doom on their own blogs... "The director has fled! Nobody knows what the story is! Doom~! DOOM~!" (although I must admit, I take perverse glee in their plight :heh:)).

The way they phrased it, if the news services are to be believed, is that Yamamoto-san did not live up to the studio's standards; but Lucky Star is like, his only chance to take helm and learn the ropes in practice. Yamamoto-san is definitely not going to be allowed to touch CLANNAD, SHnY 2nd Season, or FMP!AVDMC, since it would be suicidal to let a green Director take charge of those "golden goose" projects.

So now that his debut project has been taken away from him, what has he been assigned to now? Episode Director?

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, AnimeNewsNetwork (along with AnimeNewsService and Moonphase) finally put up an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-04-30/lucky-star-changes-director-after-four-episodes) about it, so I suppose that settles the issue of whether it is a hoax or not.

I am still baffled by this rather harsh development. The biggest "crime" I could possibly accuse Yamamoto-san of is that his scene transitions were questionable, but that hardly justifies this public smackdown.

The animation quality has been kept consistent, the punchlines had weight, all in all, Lucky Star is hardly a series that is in trouble (unlike one other Spring2007 series where its own producers are all gloom and doom on their own blogs... "The director has fled! Nobody knows what the story is! Doom~! DOOM~!" (although I must admit, I take perverse glee in their plight :heh:)).

The way they phrased it, if the news services are to be believed, is that Yamamoto-san did not live up to the studio's standards; but Lucky Star is like, his only chance to take helm and learn the ropes in practice. Yamamoto-san is definitely not going to be allowed to touch CLANNAD, SHnY 2nd Season, or FMP!AVDMC, since it would be suicidal to let a green Director take charge of those "golden goose" projects.

So now that his debut project has been taken away from him, what has he been assigned to now? Episode Director?

Cheers.

I think the reason that the Kissdum situation is so comical is that they are so open about dramatic about it. God when the staff is all like "He left and stuck us with a concept and zero knowledge in our heads" it sounds the theme of a sitcom episode, where they run around scrambling to "get er' done".

Too answer question, Yamamoto will probably now be in charge of being the official Pizza Taster. Yep definetly the Pizza taster! (I mean seriously, is there any other more blatant way to say "You are the fifth wheel of this organization and you can't even direct a 4koma adapation. Now Go sit in the corner.")

This is kind of funny to me in a way, but not in a sitcom way like Kissdum. More like a "What the hell guys?!" Daily Show segment. There's way way too much production drama this season.

[Vexx]

Well, AnimeNewsNetwork (along with AnimeNewsService and Moonphase) finally put up an article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-04-30/lucky-star-changes-director-after-four-episodes) about it, so I suppose that settles the issue of whether it is a hoax or not.

I am still baffled by this rather harsh development. The biggest "crime" I could possibly accuse Yamamoto-san of is that his scene transitions were questionable, but that hardly justifies this public smackdown.

The animation quality has been kept consistent, the punchlines had weight, all in all, Lucky Star is hardly a series that is in trouble (unlike one other Spring2007 series where its own producers are all gloom and doom on their own blogs... "The director has fled! Nobody knows what the story is! Doom~! DOOM~!" (although I must admit, I take perverse glee in their plight :heh:)).

The way they phrased it, if the news services are to be believed, is that Yamamoto-san did not live up to the studio's standards; but Lucky Star is like, his only chance to take helm and learn the ropes in practice. Yamamoto-san is definitely not going to be allowed to touch CLANNAD, SHnY 2nd Season, or FMP!AVDMC, since it would be suicidal to let a green Director take charge of those "golden goose" projects.

So now that his debut project has been taken away from him, what has he been assigned to now? Episode Director?

Cheers.

Allowing for kj1980's translation/interpretation (which is more "amiable")... it is still pretty odd and makes me wonder what high bar was set for this series. Like Skane says.... it is a pretty pure presentation of the manga material for the most part.... the Lucky Channel segment (original material) seems to be very well received (even though personally I'd rather see more Lucky*Star source material)... they must have expected some knock'em'dead level of buzz that I find an unrealistic expectation.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Allowing for kj1980's translation/interpretation (which is more "amiable")... it is still pretty odd and makes me wonder what high bar was set for this series. Like Skane says.... it is a pretty pure presentation of the manga material for the most part.... the Lucky Channel segment (original material) seems to be very well received (even though personally I'd rather see more Lucky*Star source material)... they must have expected some knock'em'dead level of buzz that I find an unrealistic expectation.

Maybe they are feeling pressure from their more unreasonable fans who expect every series to reach the popularity of Suzumiya Haruhi. There is an upside and a downside to having a close relationship with your fans. On the upside you are ensured to a least strike a chord with the audience, but on the downside you are very limited in how you approach things, and they will always demand more and more out of you. Thus, what you have is a situation where you will always succeed, but it will never be good enough, kind of like a boy trying to please a father with strict standards by presenting him a report card with a grade for B+ work and him saying "Why didnt' you get an A, I want A material?".

I too would like to see them do more Lucky Star source material. To me the Lucky Channel segment is a weak point that I might as well skip over in favour of the ending segment. It's starting to look very much like a one trick pony where Akira and Tanuguchi do their Cute Girl/Angry Girl routine and maybe talk about the characters briefly. It was amusing the first time in its highlighting that idols probably aren't as loveable in private as they are in public (Except maybe Aya Hirano who seems like the genuine article), but by episode 3 its gotten old for me.

[rg4619]

So now that his debut project has been taken away from him, what has he been assigned to now? Episode Director?

Given the way KyoAni worded and posted that message (assuming that it's genuine), I'd assume that he's no longer with the studio, although you never know.

[Samatarou]

If it's true he's left the company this opens up another possible interpretation:
"I'm leaving for a better job next week."
"In that case we're sacking you this week! And your work sucked anyhow!"

[Simon]

If it's true he's left the company this opens up another possible interpretation:
"I'm leaving for a better job next week."
"In that case we're sacking you this week! And your work sucked anyhow!"

I almost hope that's the case - otherwise, such a brutal public dismissal seems a good way to kill the man's career. Regardless of the facts behind it, presumably the rest of the industry are taking note and coming to the same conclusion as us: that whatever he did to anger the KyoAni Gods, it must have been pretty extreme.

Hmm, maybe his version of ep5 joked about the original Haruhi manga being better than the anime.

[justsomeguy]

I find it hard to believe this bit of news. Since when have the Japanese been so blunt in dismissing an employee, instead of trying to save face for everybody? Nevermind that there has been absolutely nothing wrong with Lucky Star. The first ep was a bit rough, but the later ones were much better.

[Samatarou]

As to the question of whether there has been any weakness in episode direction, the only criticisms I can think of about how Lucky Star is put together are firstly, the abrupt scene changes which make it hard to tell that a new conversation is starting: I would prefer a fadeout, even a 1 second transition—fade to black then fade back in again—would suffice to punctuate the scenes, but instead we get these sudden jumps and you're not quite sure for a few seconds whether this is still the same conversation or a new one.

Secondly, compared to, say, Haruhi, there are fewer interesting camera angles and compositions. It is very rare that we see anything other than (1) head and shoulders shots or (2) top half of the figures. More visual variety would be good, full length shots, distance shots, odd angles etc. I think the variety may be increasing but a quick review of episode 3 reveals that those two compositions account for at least 90% of all shots.

[Vexx]

I'm mixed on the camera angle issue... after all, the "talking heads" syndrome is about 80% of the comic as well. OTOH, an anime adaptation means the director *CAN* let the camera swing out and in and around -- giving us an expanded interpretation of the characters rather than just "doing a 4-koma with motion"

Haruhi was sourced from a light novel series so all they had to work with was the written descriptions and the very rare piece of illustration.

The more I think about it... it *would* be nice to let the animated medium do more with the same material....

[Telliamed]

it is still pretty odd and makes me wonder what high bar was set for this series. Like Skane says.... it is a pretty pure presentation of the manga material for the most part.... the Lucky Channel segment (original material) seems to be very well received (even though personally I'd rather see more Lucky*Star source material)... they must have expected some knock'em'dead level of buzz that I find an unrealistic expectation.

Well that's like when a sports team fires a head coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552) just because he doesn't win a championship. Even if the team is performing well, all else considered.

If that's the attitude they have, then this will only be the first of many staff departures.

Secondly, compared to, say, Haruhi, there are fewer interesting camera angles and compositions. It is very rare that we see anything other than (1) head and shoulders shots or (2) top half of the figures. More visual variety would be good, full length shots, distance shots, odd angles etc. I think the variety may be increasing but a quick review of episode 3 reveals that those two compositions account for at least 90% of all shots.

So what? If you want SHnY, you know where to find it. Lucky Star isn't Haruhi and it's not fair to compare the two. This is the curse of success, like the many dramas that Gainax has gone through. You do something popular and everyone says, "That was great! Now do it again." But you say, "No, I want to try something different." And the response is "No! Different is bad! You have to do everything just how you did it before. You suck!"

Fancy lighting effects, wierd camera angles, 3d renderings, and all that worked for SHnY. But it won't work for LS. IMO, it'd ruin LS because the beauty of the 4koma is in its minimalism.

edit: This could also turn out to be a lose-lose decision. If the nature of the show changes significantly, they risk upsetting the people who already like the show. Whereas the critics, it seems to me, would not be satisfied with anything less than significant changes.

There's a proverb about not rocking a boat in mid-stream, or something.

(yes,i know the real proverb,i just like mixing metaphors for fun)

[Kyuusai]

I'm mixed on the camera angle issue... after all, the "talking heads" syndrome is about 80% of the comic as well. OTOH, an anime adaptation means the director *CAN* let the camera swing out and in and around -- giving us an expanded interpretation of the characters rather than just "doing a 4-koma with motion"

Haruhi was sourced from a light novel series so all they had to work with was the written descriptions and the very rare piece of illustration.

The more I think about it... it *would* be nice to let the animated medium do more with the same material....

While the show still hasn't moved far beyond "talking heads", so far we've seen a bit more creativity on that end. A bit more animation, and what's there is smoother. Konata moving around during the conversation at the train station struck me as one example of that improvement.

I think that it's just going to take a bit to spread its wings, so to speak. I don't expect it to depart greatly from what we've seen, but Azumanga Daioh went through the same "growth spurts" to reach its full potential.

[Vexx]

Items like the festival or the roadtrip to the beach, (trying to think of other outdoor events) .... I can think of a few sequences where they could run a bit wilder than close shots -- we'll see what they decide to do with those.

The meat of the material is in the verbal wordplay and "daily chatting and small talk" they engage in though... and there's something perfect about the camera angle that leaves tiny little heads chatting amidst a Large Backdrop .... something nicely metaphorical about it.

[ZODDGUTS]

Good to hear the Director got the axe. So far watching this series I only had a few chuckles but no laugh out loud moments. This show to me seems nothing more then a slice at life anime with hardly any comedy well they try at comedy but mostly fail.

The first several minutes of the first episode was extremly bad they just went on and on and on with dialogue about food but NOTHING was funny about it what the hell where they thinking? With the new director being the same guy who did Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu this show can still be saved now that anime had some laugh out moments.

[Klashikari]

OTZ... people... get over the fact that L*S doesn't summarise itself with only episode 1... (not targeted at the above poster particularly, but it appears that ep 1 haunt much fellows beyond healthy reasoning...)

the fact the new director has done FMP?F doesn't guarantee the following episodes will have "100% hit" humor anyway (especially if they still follow closely the original material)

[Vexx]

Good to hear the Director got the axe. So far watching this series I only had a few chuckles but no laugh out loud moments. This show to me seems nothing more then a slice at life anime with hardly any comedy well they try at comedy but mostly fail.

The first several minutes of the first episode was extremly bad they just went on and on and on with dialogue about food but NOTHING was funny about it what the hell where they thinking? With the new director being the same guy who did Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu this show can still be saved now that anime had some laugh out moments.

Doesn't look like he's familiar with Lucky*Star's 4-koma/manga or the type of humor it uses (so blaming the director for the material is a misfire) .... this may not be the series for him????

[Sheba]

They'd better keep the karaoke D:

[ZODDGUTS]

I haven't really gotten into the show I find the characters to be very likeable but the comedy feels flat. I enjoyed Azumanga, Pani Poni Dash, Hidamari Sketch and Strawberry Marshmallow but this show hasn't really click with me.

Yes I do blame the director for his preformance on the the series really the food dialouge in the first episode should have been cut shorter he should have notice it felt dragged out with nothing really funny about it. There were also other bits that had me yawning a bit. Eps 2 and onwards were better then the 1st episode was still a lot of room for improvement.

Doesn't look like he's familiar with Lucky*Star's 4-koma/manga or the type of humor it uses (so blaming the director for the material is a misfire) .... this may not be the series for him????

I tend from time to time read comic strips from Newspapers really like Garfield, Peanuts and several others so I doubt that I wouldn't like 4-koma stuff. And wasn't Azumanga 4-koma? I loved that show so I don't see me not getting into 4-koma comc strips. Also I liked them in manga when they have them as omakes section.

I don't know maybe I had to high expectations for this series it's not BAD but it's not great either.

I'm not expecting the new director to changed the overtone of the series or to there to be big changes but to give a "umph" that was missing in this series or something like that lol. Like the comedy bits ending up better executed and places that could end up feeling dragged out(i.e.food dialogue bit) not end up happening because he'll take a notice.

Really hope best for this series because I don't want it to fell. :(

[Samatarou]

the fact the new director has done FMP?F doesn't guarantee the following episodes will have "100% hit" humor anyway

I want to see Kona-chan in a Bonta-kun outfit!

[Vexx]

I can't dispute on a "4-koma genre" scale with Azumanga/Ichigo-Masimaro ... Lucky*Star comes in a little short but I'll never quite know whether its because those came first or not. Azumanga specifically covered the three years of high school and so had an overall chronology of events. Ichigo Masimaro covered specific and seasonal event in one year. In L*S, although there's a rough chronology, a lot of the gags are pretty timeless or time-independent ... (more like Peanuts or Zits where its like Groundhog Day on a yearly basis).

I've decided that I like the drawing style in L*S better than I.M. and AzuDa independent of anything else (especially the way he draws their eyes). But really... I like each series for slightly different reasons and would hate to have to choose just one.

[BOZZY]

I hope this is the right place to ask, I would have made a new thread but that seems to be limited to the admins and mods, but how do the different fansubbers match up in terms of translation?

[Jazzrat]

I wish they keep the drama in the anime instead of spilling em out like some ill conceived publicity stunt.

[FatPianoBoy]

I wish they keep the drama in the anime instead of spilling em out like some ill conceived publicity stunt.

Next week, on Lucky*Star:

Konata: Kagami, the new Evangelion movie was horrible! I... I just don't know if I can find it in me to keep going. If this is the future, then I don't wanna be there! *Sob*

Kagami: Kona-chan, get a hold of yourself! You know... anime isn't the only thing in life worth caring about. Sometimes people are important, too ;)

Konata: Ka... Kagami?

Kagami: Kona-chan... no, Konata.... you see, you've always been very special to me.

Konata: *Sniff* Really?

Kagami: Yes. Come here, I'll show you.

*Embrace*

Tsukasa: *Walks in* Nee-chan, how could you?! D :

Kagami: No, you see, this isn't...

Tsukasa: No more lies! I've always seen the way you look at her! I... I wish you happiness! *Runs out crying*

Miyuki: *Walks in* What happened to Tsu... Oh!!

Konata: No, Miyuki...

Miyuki: You always said I was the most moe thing you ever saw... but I guess that's all I ever was to you, right?! Just something cute to chase after!

Konata: No, that's not how it was! My heart jumped when you turned out the lights. Every time you trip, I smile seeing how perfect you are.

Kagami: Oh, fine. I see how it is. I was a fool to think you'd ever think about anything except moe. Tsukasa, wait up!!

Is that what you really want?

[Julius Firefocht]

Next week, on Lucky*Star:

Konata: Kagami, the new Evangelion movie was horrible! I... I just don't know if I can find it in me to keep going. If this is the future, then I don't wanna be there! *Sob*

Kagami: Kona-chan, get a hold of yourself! You know... anime isn't the only thing in life worth caring about. Sometimes people are important, too ;)

Konata: Ka... Kagami?

Kagami: Kona-chan... no, Konata.... you see, you've always been very special to me.

Konata: *Sniff* Really?

Kagami: Yes. Come here, I'll show you.

*Embrace*

Tsukasa: *Walks in* Nee-chan, how could you?! D :

Kagami: No, you see, this isn't...

Tsukasa: No more lies! I've always seen the way you look at her! I... I wish you happiness! *Runs out crying*

Miyuki: *Walks in* What happened to Tsu... Oh!!

Konata: No, Miyuki...

Miyuki: You always said I was the most moe thing you ever saw... but I guess that's all I ever was to you, right?! Just something cute to chase after!

Konata: No, that's not how it was! My heart jumped when you turned out the lights. Every time you trip, I smile seeing how perfect you are.

Kagami: Oh, fine. I see how it is. I was a fool to think you'd ever think about anything except moe. Tsukasa, wait up!!

Is that what you really want?


Not a bad idea. Call me crazy, but I like it. :p

So, Konata singing the opening song of FMP Fumoffu was a sort of foreshadowing, I guess?

[Risaa]

Next week, on Lucky*Star:

Konata: Kagami, the new Evangelion movie was horrible! I... I just don't know if I can find it in me to keep going. If this is the future, then I don't wanna be there! *Sob*

Kagami: Kona-chan, get a hold of yourself! You know... anime isn't the only thing in life worth caring about. Sometimes people are important, too ;)

Konata: Ka... Kagami?

Kagami: Kona-chan... no, Konata.... you see, you've always been very special to me.

Konata: *Sniff* Really?

Kagami: Yes. Come here, I'll show you.

*Embrace*

Tsukasa: *Walks in* Nee-chan, how could you?! D :

Kagami: No, you see, this isn't...

Tsukasa: No more lies! I've always seen the way you look at her! I... I wish you happiness! *Runs out crying*

Miyuki: *Walks in* What happened to Tsu... Oh!!

Konata: No, Miyuki...

Miyuki: You always said I was the most moe thing you ever saw... but I guess that's all I ever was to you, right?! Just something cute to chase after!

Konata: No, that's not how it was! My heart jumped when you turned out the lights. Every time you trip, I smile seeing how perfect you are.

Kagami: Oh, fine. I see how it is. I was a fool to think you'd ever think about anything except moe. Tsukasa, wait up!!

Is that what you really want?

I need to make a comic out of that. XD

[Kaioshin Sama]

Next week, on Lucky*Star:

Konata: Kagami, the new Evangelion movie was horrible! I... I just don't know if I can find it in me to keep going. If this is the future, then I don't wanna be there! *Sob*

Kagami: Kona-chan, get a hold of yourself! You know... anime isn't the only thing in life worth caring about. Sometimes people are important, too ;)

Konata: Ka... Kagami?

Kagami: Kona-chan... no, Konata.... you see, you've always been very special to me.

Konata: *Sniff* Really?

Kagami: Yes. Come here, I'll show you.

*Embrace*

Tsukasa: *Walks in* Nee-chan, how could you?! D :

Kagami: No, you see, this isn't...

Tsukasa: No more lies! I've always seen the way you look at her! I... I wish you happiness! *Runs out crying*

Miyuki: *Walks in* What happened to Tsu... Oh!!

Konata: No, Miyuki...

Miyuki: You always said I was the most moe thing you ever saw... but I guess that's all I ever was to you, right?! Just something cute to chase after!

Konata: No, that's not how it was! My heart jumped when you turned out the lights. Every time you trip, I smile seeing how perfect you are.

Kagami: Oh, fine. I see how it is. I was a fool to think you'd ever think about anything except moe. Tsukasa, wait up!!

Is that what you really want?

At which point Kona equips a Cleaver, Kagami gets a gun and Miyuki gets a Baseball bat and they all go at it Watanagashi style. And it's all like "URG" HRNH" *Smash* "AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!" and nobody is left standing. Lucky Star then ends 18 episodes early.

[Vexx]

I hope this is the right place to ask, I would have made a new thread but that seems to be limited to the admins and mods, but how do the different fansubbers match up in terms of translation?

As good as any place I guess :)
LC is fast (so their error rate is a bit higher and they run on the literal side and might miss a few puns) ... they've been improving though. Their technical skills were beginner at first but they've been improving there as well. Its really great when they produce a really small release file.

a.f.k. -- very good technically though I'm not fond of the pink font against the pink/purple palette that permeates L*S. Their translation is very good... though though my personal view is that they overwesternize at times. They've reworked a few lines of dialog to account for the difficulty in translating wordplay or jokes (rather than use footnotes). They seem to be the most popular.

Eien no Anime -- at the moment, they're my favorite in font/color choices. Their translation of the first two episodes is also my favorite because they've managed to keep most of the meaning without sounding unnatural or requiring footnotes. They're running a bit slow as they seem to be re-organizing their web presence (only two eps done so far).

I re-assess every few episodes and obviously the preceding was just my personal view at the moment.

[Shana]

Next week, on Lucky*Star:

Konata: Kagami, the new Evangelion movie was horrible! I... I just don't know if I can find it in me to keep going. If this is the future, then I don't wanna be there! *Sob*

Kagami: Kona-chan, get a hold of yourself! You know... anime isn't the only thing in life worth caring about. Sometimes people are important, too ;)

Konata: Ka... Kagami?

Kagami: Kona-chan... no, Konata.... you see, you've always been very special to me.

Konata: *Sniff* Really?

Kagami: Yes. Come here, I'll show you.

*Embrace*

Tsukasa: *Walks in* Nee-chan, how could you?! D :

Kagami: No, you see, this isn't...

Tsukasa: No more lies! I've always seen the way you look at her! I... I wish you happiness! *Runs out crying*

Miyuki: *Walks in* What happened to Tsu... Oh!!

Konata: No, Miyuki...

Miyuki: You always said I was the most moe thing you ever saw... but I guess that's all I ever was to you, right?! Just something cute to chase after!

Konata: No, that's not how it was! My heart jumped when you turned out the lights. Every time you trip, I smile seeing how perfect you are.

Kagami: Oh, fine. I see how it is. I was a fool to think you'd ever think about anything except moe. Tsukasa, wait up!!

Is that what you really want?

I want this, I want this, I want... :D Yuri in L*S?:twitch: .

[Nightengale]

You know, it makes me wonder...Do any of those girls even have male friends? I mean, if it's an all-girls school, I can say nothing, but for a coed-school, I kinda wish there are more substance to the males. The parents are one thing, but male students are another.

Especially since the OP hints that it'll end up being 99.999999% female-centric.

[Vexx]

Um..... its the way the manga is written? Its about the girls in a co-ed school? (not that they ignore the guys.... but its about the "girl's circle").
Being 'buddies' with a guy is still less common in Japan so they tend to run in separate circles to some extent (and it was *really* typical when your average manga-ka was growing up --- write what one knows)
Azumanga Daioh portrayed that sort of thing as well... the guys weren't non-existent but just ran in their own circles for the most part (and the girls moped around about not having dates).

Kona seems to have the most male acquaintenances but they're all "virtual" onliners.

[Risaa]

Kona seems to have the most male acquaintenances but they're all "virtual" onliners.

LOL mochiron. I should've known. When I read Nightengale's post I thought, "of course they have male friends. Except for Kona-chan - she doesn't have any friends." I totally neglected her online buddies.

[Lucky_Day]

I know it is already old news, but here is a link anyway.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-04-30/lucky-star-changes-director-after-four-episodes

With television and with sports teams it is hard to tell who the management has running things at any given time. If the person running things is replaced too often, it makes me question the management.